Talking Shit with a Yank & a Brit - 32. Noisy Stubborn White People

Episode Date: December 14, 2023

We're baaack! Kicking off the new season with the incredible story Ruby Bridges, the usual drivel and an AITA to top it all off!Send your stories, questions or dillemas to [e-mail] or DM  us @TSYBPOD 

oh my god we're back motherfuckers raise it up that's my hog phone my hog phone this is going well already oh man, man. This is cool. I think we're really stepping into this new season, like, high energy, crushing it with hog horns and alternate lyrics to popular 90s boy band songs. Yeah. Yeah. Just bringing all the flavors. Oh, they're going to show you how.

Well, we're back, guys back guys with a brand new season um it's gonna be you know much of the the genius hilarious content that we usually bring you but we're also gonna bring you something a little different this time and you know whatever we really just kind of feel like any given recording session. But our hope is, is to, you know, really kind of listen to what the people want in terms of our hilarity, our content, our brilliance. But we want to also kind of focus the season on women. Yeah, women. Yeah. Inspirational ladies that have potentially changed the world and created, I don't know what I'm saying. They've done something that we thought was cool and they maybe impacted someone or multiple someones or at least got their name on the internet somehow yeah exactly that so we're not going to talk shit about them but we might talk shit about people in their stories yep or what happened to them or around them yeah In or around them. Yep.

Yeah. I mean, depending on the story. Who's to say? We don't really have anything planned out yet. No. But we will say, men, do not be scared. Just because there's two women talking about women. If you made it through our last season, you probably learned a lot. You learned a lot about my vagina, Gemma's vagina, other vaginas, generally what it's

like being a woman. And I think that probably made you a better man for it. So keep listening. Yeah. We're here to empower you, if anything. Yeah. It's about you, man. here to empower you if anything yeah it's about you man yeah it's about you guys stay tuned keep listening you're in for a ride so since we did last record our last episode which as we said I think we hypothesized about our many awards that we would have gotten because of that episode and we did you may have seen us on like the National Podcast Awards show. And, you know, I think I said Academy Award or Grammy even for our sound. And I mean, I don't have enough space for all of our awards. Same.

And, you know, what recently came out was Spotify Wrapped as well, which was, you know, it was nice to really see how many listeners were engaging. Maybe top third, fourth, fifth place on at least one person's. It was even third on mine. I don't have Spotify, but I wonder if it would be. I have Apple Music and I just did music. But, you know, that's just because I think because we've had a break. So I haven't been listening as avidly to our own episodes as I usually do. But for those of you who maybe are like well you were

number one on mine thank you yep send us a screenshot yeah send us a screenshot you can email it to us you can put it on instagram you can put it on twitter um you know show us show us where we fall on your top five unless it's really embarrassing and then don't, maybe. Just good feedback. That's all we want. Yeah. If we're not in your top five, don't screenshot that. Yeah. No, thank you.

If we don't want to know. So, I mean, it's been a while. What have you been doing? Nothing. Nothing. Cool. Yeah. We had Thanksgiving, which I know isn't a thing you guys have and

so there's that thanks i did i i think i thanked someone at some point over the weekend yeah like for handic passing me the potatoes or something, I'm sure. So, yeah. Great. You completed it. I mean, I did what I was supposed to, I think, as an American on Thanksgiving. And that was eat food, have football in or around me. Ow.

And, you know, took some time off. Whereas I know know you just it was just like a normal work day for you yeah i wasn't even aware it was thanksgiving usually i'm aware because it's just all over social media but this time i wasn't even aware until you informed me thus and i was like oh i'm you didn't have a little posting about their thanksgiving this year i think maybe because the time difference it wasn't until later on in the evening once everyone had you know picked their best pictures and uh things like that why are people taking pictures yeah it's my question i said aloud to myself because i wasn't you don't want to No, I mean, especially if it's pictures of yourself, because like, aren't you just kind

of like bloated and sweaty from all the food you consumed and tired? Alcohol you drank and turkey you ate. Yeah. Good for those people, I guess. Well, yeah, exactly. You know, they've got to get the content out there. It's all about the gram. It is, isn't it?

It is. It's what I live for. Well, speaking of that, because I was just thinking about the last thing I posted. So we did get a new addition to the household. Oh, yes. Tell me more. His name is Chips and he is a cat. Well, i guess a kitten um and he is naughty as hell so you see yeah he's naughty as hell but he's cute um he well he harasses poor lucy

i think with genuinely innocent intentions of just wanting to play but because she is so old and blind and just doesn't really know what's going on it isn't does not sit well with her and he climbs stuff he like i never had to worry about my house plants do now i had to go through and be like which one of these are like incredibly toxic to cats and had moved them um yeah just naughty naughty boy but he's cute and we like him that's fine i'll let him off because he's cute yeah i'm really disappointed you didn't call him greg with two g's right like i really wanted to but yeah nigel nixed that i don't know why i wasn't a fan he wanted to call him...

Did I tell you what he was really set on? Yeah, I think you did. I can't remember what it was now, though. I know he was even offering the first names of the Blink-182 gays, too, with the exception of Travis, so it was more like Tom and Mark. And I was like no no Mark could be quite cool though I've never had a cat called Mark before no it would be funny and we considered Colin because we thought that that was like strong name yeah but chips it is did that just come naturally yes though i don't think it's all that original

but i just thought it would be i thought food was also kind of funny so nice yeah well that's exciting i got to hold loads of kittens the other day i went around someone's house and their cats just had loads of kittens and she just kept passing them to me. And I was like, Oh my God. And you didn't think I needed a picture of that? Like what the fuck? I'm sorry.

A few people have said that to me and I didn't have my phone on me because it was at the other room. Yeah. They offered me one. And I was like, I still got the murderous dogs. Yeah. I still,

I genuinely love to but it will probably last five minutes at home so I would like to see how she'd do though whether her maternal instinct would come on or whether she would just eat it I don't know can't risk it but yeah I was just gonna say how would you even test that without basically letting a kitten get eaten in front of you and then having to deal with that trauma afterwards not sure

because like I guess you could keep it in a cage or like separate them with a door maybe like a glass door but then also like that's not necessarily she might freak out because there's that separation you know so yeah tricky one to test yeah yeah yeah shame one day one day that'd be lovely well um it sounds like you've had a busy couple weeks anyways and it's christmas

time now which is kind of an indifferent time of year for me but I know the Brits really love it you guys take like the whole month of December off you have all of these parties and it was constantly drinking yeah essentially that's what's been happening uh yeah I've been really busy loads of work dues loads of gigs loads of rehearsals work always gets really busy on the lead up to christmas which is really welcome i really enjoy that if you want to start winding down for christmas but work's like no we're gonna get really busy and make you work hard is there a reason for that is it just like people because of christmas for whatever reason shit happens or is it because like oh we're going to take time off

we have to get all of this in yeah I think that's what it is because our work is sent to us by our clients they start winding down for Christmas and so they pass everything to us which is great

just two middle fingers up in the air yeah but yeah I'm looking forward to christmas because yeah i've got like 14 days off or something oh can you believe it are you gonna be okay i just i'm gonna be fine like going back to work though is it gonna be like what is what day is it what is this yeah i mean i'll forget my passwords to everything yeah uh i'll probably forget what i do but uh i'm looking forward to it i mean that's how i felt coming back after 18 days with you folks is like who are you what am i with you fuckers but

no i came back and i was like who am am I? Who are you? What is this? What is this life I'm living? This monitor that I have to look at. Who's calling me? How do I answer this thing that's ringing on my desk? I hope you have a good time off and do some blah, blah fun things anyway. Thanks. Christmassy things. Yeah. Thanks. Christmasy things.

Yeah. There'll be a few Christmasy days. And then I'm going to sit and drink red wine and eat cheese. In front of the fire. Oh no. For like ten days. Oh no. Oh no. I know what you get like after red wine and cheese.

It's not pretty. Very flatulent. I'm just kidding kidding we had lots well i don't i guess i didn't have any wine you might have when we had the the party at your house before we left but there was a lot of cheese and i think everyone was generally okay so apart from the lactose intolerant people but yeah you know i guess if they ate the cheese it it's their fault. Exactly. You know, they asked for it, if anything. I don't blame them, though.

I'd probably still want to eat cheese. Yeah, cheese is life. Well, should we segue into kind of our hopes and our dreams for today's episode? Yeah. Okay. Well. Take us on a journey. I'm gonna.

And I'm gonna do my best. And I'm gonna caveat it again by this story that I'm about to say to you, say at you, tell you about is conducted with the barest minimum of research so people listening at home or jemma even you might be like is that oh i don't know if that's right kate i'll be fact checking as we go yeah could you that'd be great that's actually that's well actually each other each time you're wrong each other's correction corner in real time. But I did do a little bit of research over the past morning, this morning and yesterday. So I also might. And I didn't review it.

So we'll just see how this goes. Be ready. Cool. If you've got typos, can I request that you read them out as the typoed word? Just for pure entertainment's sake. There's absolutely typos because in typing this, I was like, it doesn't matter because I know what this means. And I will do that because there are a lot and it's going to be cringy for me, but probably pretty funny for you.

Cool. So who are you telling us about, Kate? Well, the way I wrote this, I had to think about, like, do I want to say it at the top or just tell you the story? Oh, okay. Exciting. So I think I'm just going to tell you the story, but it'll become clear who we're focusing on. And I believe you're familiar with this person, too. So, okay. We're in the 1960s. It's the very beginning of what is known as the counterculture decade. Jimi Hendrix and the Beatles and the hippie and other alternative lifestyles are coming about. You know, we've got the cultural liberalism, individuality, women's right, human sexuality, all that's happening.

And actually, now that I think about this, the 1960s isn't really all that accurate, but whatever. I started it. Close to, though. it was around that kind of time we're gonna be going back in time in a minute anyway uh so 1960s it's groovy man yeah you know exactly it's not so groovy for everyone though uh you know the civil rights movement was kind of starting to take off a little bit more at that point. Really started kind of in the mid 50s. But I think when people think about the civil rights movement, they often think of the 60s. But if you think about it, there's always been some sort of civil rights movement in America following even the Civil War and probably before that. But if you think about kind of who fought each other about slavery and all of that.

So anyway, the 50s saw some significant events that really kind of paved the way for the person I'm talking about today. These you probably are also familiar with, at least I hope so. So tell me if you're not um the arrest of rosa perks yep i'm familiar what is she known for jemma she is known for refusing to give up her seat on a bus to i believe it was a white man well i think it's after a long day i know but she was tired that day and she was like, you know what, motherfucker? I'm not getting off my seat.

Yeah. So fuck you. You know, I think that actually is pretty accurate to what she said, at least probably thought in her head anyways. know that not like a couple months before her arrest a 15 year old named claudette colvin also refused to give up her or her her butt her her seat on the used to get off her ass um but and that's kind of what sparked the whole bus boycott so like claudette happened kind of people started boycotting buses and you know engaging in forms of protest and then sparked the whole bus boycott. So like Claudette happened, kind of people started boycotting buses and, you know, engaging in forms of protest. And then Rosa Parks happened

and it was like, after that. And that's when we kind of saw Martin Luther King Jr. becoming more and more prevalent and becoming like, this is really what took off his kind of national trajectory to what we recall him as today.

Story's not about him though obviously or Rosa Parks or Claudette um though those might be good ones to talk about one day uh the story actually starts a little further back like I said we're actually going back into the 50s so again don't know why I started with that all that was irrelevant we're gonna be back in the 60s at some point. Maybe. But this was, you know, also kind of starts in a little state called Virginia. Do you know anything about Virginia, Gemma? Not really, no, to be honest. Okay, fair.

I was anticipating that. So I've got some fun facts for you it was the 10th state to join the union oh on june 25th 1788 which holla my fellow cancer and birthday twin its nickname is the old dominion state okay guess why nope because it was the first of the overseas dominions of the monarchy of england which is like okay that's what you guys stuck with is your nickname cool i guess um according to virginia., it's the, and I didn't know this, it's the leader in the eco-friendly movement. Oh. I didn't read any further than that, so I don't know how it's the leader in that movement, but I was surprised.

No more information. Nope, that's it. Cool. And it's got some kind of major significance in terms of Black history with its Pocahontas Island, which is the oldest free Black community in the nation. Oh. I didn't know that either. I didn't know that either. But anyway, 1951, Virginia.

A group of Black students at Moton High School engaged in protest of their unequal status in Virginia's segregated education system. The school was overcrowded. The facility was bad. I'm also kind of guessing here that the quality of the education maybe was probably not that great either. And I mean, really, they're basically saying like, this is shit.

And all the white schools have way better facilities, way better education. You know, this is fucked up. And so they did so. They protested. And eventually the NAACP joined in kind of helping them with this fight and took this case and a couple other cases through the court system to the Supreme Court of the United States. And I know we talked about like Roe v wade and the supreme court and stuff like that and how those decisions are kind of like the law of the land once it gets that yeah so it's a big deal that these cases went that far right yeah um and the relevant one for today's story is brown versus the board of education. Are you familiar with that one at all?

I think I've heard of it. You probably have. Any clue in what direction I'm going as far as today's lady? No. Okay. Good. Um, so the Supreme court,

and this was in 1954. Uh, so a couple of years later, that's how long that shit takes to get through the legal system. Led by Earl Warren, who is kind of an important person in segregation of white and colored children in public schools has a detrimental effect upon the colored children so uh yeah finally yeah i'm right but uh the other interesting thing about this case is that it actually partially overruled a case from 1896 called Plessy v. Ferguson, which it's a case that also kind of challenged segregation in the United States by saying segregation laws based on race did not violate the U.S. Oh, I should have been doing a, okay, I'll do it here. Constitution. I should have been doing a, okay, I'll do it here.

Consitition. Consitition. Yeah. Meant constitution. That's what I was going to read. But consition, as long as the facilities for each race were equal in quality, a doctrine known as separate but equal. Right. So that was talking about pools, schools, you know, really i think about anything you could think of at that time it's so crazy to me the segregation thing like i guess you know it is

to us it's completely alien but it's just what a inhumane horrible thing to fucking do and enforce yeah white people were horrible slash are horrible and i think this might be something we discuss another time but segregation still exists in a lot of ways just not in the way of like here's here the black school, here's the white school, you know? Well, and to your point, it's horrible. And the court for Brown, the Brown case basically said that separate inherently means unequal. So they overturned that part of it. And laws imposing segregated schools violated the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Still not getting it right. Constitution. This decision, though, really didn't provide any details or a roadmap about how to go about

ending racial segregation. And so they had to issue another decision called Brown 2, pretty much. In 1955, that basically said schools have to desegregate with all deliberate speed. What does that sound like to you? If you were like, oh God. It's got to be done pretty fast. However, they're not stipulating a timeframe. a time frame nope it would also probably be no surprise to you that uh people were pretty pissed about this um there was a pretty big resistance to this actually particularly in the south and uh wikipedia states it's because white people are noisy and stubborn which is putting it really nicely i'm

gonna go ahead and just throw in racist as well yeah yeah so a little bit more accurate yeah um so here's where our story and our gal comes in enter ruby bridges oh ruby you might remember you sending me a little bit about her on Instagram and being like, oh my God. So I chose Ruby to be our first gal. She was born in, I know, anyway, I'll get into it. Okay. Ruby Bridges, born in 1954 in Mississippi. She's got farmer parents. She's like the oldest of five children. And when she was two, her family relocated to New Orleans, Louisiana. And that's, you know, I think what I read was better work opportunities for them. You know, I don't know exactly if they were farmer parents in Mississippi.

I imagine it was pretty rural. So you also might recall that 1954 was the year brown versus board came out so she's not yet school age you know kind of when that's happening she's two when they move but uh no shocker took a really long fucking time for a lot of those schools in the south to kind of do what they were told in terms of desegregation so by the time she entered kindergarten in 1959 she was going to a segregated kindergarten wow because they were like nay we're just gonna pretend though that that didn't happen yes exactly um eventually back to the 60s a federal court ordered specifically Louisiana to desegregate

because they were one of the holdouts are probably not the only one but one of them um what i was thinking as well like although it's great that this happened it must have been really terrifying for like the black communities and families to then have to put their kids into non-segregated schools with all these fucking racist kids and parents well you just like spoiler alert for ruby's story jesus i'll shut up carry on no i actually thank you for saying that because yes and there's a whole bunch of, I think, different considerations, too. One being that when the courts say you have to desegregate, that does not mean integrate.

Yeah. So what ultimately that means is they could decide how many and who they're going to let come to their schools, which is where I will proceed. But I was going to ask you, with this federal court issuing this order to desegregate, so they, the, you know, L.A. school district had to basically make some decisions about how to go about this. i'm curious if you have any thoughts about what you think they did um i don't know really so i imagine obviously before desegregation they had separate schools for black people and white people so i would i don't know really i would have thought they'd just increase capacity at one of those schools and allow them to like pick the shittiest one and just be like here you can come to this one well yeah just the biggest one just say well come to that school what they did was they created entrance exams wow they basically made these kids audition fuck yeah so uh you know they basically wanted to see whether black students could and this is in quotes for those at home, academically compete

with the kids at the all-white school. Ruby was six at the time that she took her entrance exam. And when I think about six-year-olds, so basically a kindergartner, which I know we've talked about like school equivalent levels and stuff between our countries. But like, I don't think a lot of kindergartners really sit for tests like that. Yeah, they don't know a lot. They don't sit for tests. And I'm just thinking about these, all these kindergartners, which according to what I read was about 100 sat for this test in this big room. And I mean, I'm going to talk about this in a second. And just like it will not surprise you when I tell you how many actually passed. And I write my own thoughts.

Okay, only six children passed. Put that in all caps. I put that in all caps. And I had some initial questions about under what circumstances was the test administered? Like what was the testing environment? Who was proctoring it? Who was grading it? What were the questions asked?

How was it determined, like the criteria for passing? Because you know the answer was white people basically determined all those things and set up the environment. answer was white people basically determined all those things and set up the the environment and it was not going to be for these you know it was not going to be designed in a way for these kids the maximum amount of kids to pass at all in fact it was probably designed to make sure as few as possible if any yeah and again they're kindergartners. So, like. I mean, do you remember what you were learning in kindergarten? Like, I was doing, like, my ABCs. How to tie my shoelaces. Sharing. Yeah.

Like, which are you left-handed or right-handed? Here's how you cut with scissors that won't cut you. Like, draw a picture for your parents. Yeah. Fucking hell. And I can only imagine this test probably didn't give them breaks. Like draw a picture for your parents. Yeah. Fucking hell. And I can only imagine this test probably didn't give them breaks. It probably was several hours long as standardized testing can be.

I'm assuming you guys have similar like tests that you have to take where you sit there for four hours and have to fucking test and maybe get one bathroom break, right? Bet they didn't have that for these kids. And I just also think about how even if it was content that would have been appropriate for kindergartners, like because of the issues with the educational inequality between these schools, like these kids probably weren't taught the stuff they needed to have taught to them at that age in order to like take this test if that makes sense like if i think they said it was the test was a particular test to determine readiness for formal education starting typically in first grade right so in a way this test is kind of designed for kindergartners but that content was also created by a white person for white children yeah and i was gonna say did the white children have to take this test as well no it was just for the black kids to see if they could go to the white school so um so i was frustrated when i and i didn't know this about her story i generally had an idea about her story but i i just assumed it was like they desegregated

and she got to go and blah blah blah you know and you know, and it wasn't easy, but I didn't realize she had to effectively audition. So she and five other kids passed. And I also think this is from Reddit. Another interesting consideration about this whole thing is that these tests were administered well before any psychometrics and standardizations were established so there was not like any studies out there saying you know this is how like how many kids of this age of this race should be you know passing this there was no studies right so basically we're like these tests were great um also the people who created them were also very big advocates of eugenics. Do you know what eugenics is? No, what is eugenics? Well, eugenics is a theory that is more appropriately, should be called, because it's more appropriate, scientific racism.

Right. right and it's basically that humans can be improved through selective breeding of populations and human traits such as intelligence and social behavior are inherited in a simple fashion and complex diseases and disorders are solely due to bad genes and like inheriting them so essentially fascism yeah i think uh nazis love eugenics yeah yeah. Yeah, they do. In fact, I talk about a Nazi a little bit. And it's not really any surprise to anybody that this theory and the practices like kind of supporting eugenics developed by eugenics really harmed marginalized populations. Because the gold standard for believers in eugenics is the white race. for believers in eugenics is the white race so um the work of darwin camper a guy called morton a bunch of other scientists anthropologists psychologists they all like their work was either like in support of or used by believers in eugenics so like i think i read like darwin was

exactly necessarily advocating for eugenics but they used some of his research to justify the existence, if that makes sense. But a lot of other people were explicitly like doing research to further this theory. For example, this guy named Camper, he basically used skull sizes, shapes, angles to create a racial hierarchy as like this skull is the pinnacle the white skull and then these skulls which are more associated with you know other races are below them um there's i think also came about the the belief that still exists today in the medical field is that black people feel less pain and um they have a primitive nervous system, which makes them less able to feel suffering. And that was used to justify slavery in a way. Fucking hell.

And in 1966, like I said, not everything was groovy. Some horrible douche named George Rockwell, who was the leader of the American Nazi Party at the time, was interviewed for Playboy, which like weird flex for playboy and yeah this guy i i was i was like okay uh anyway um he justified his belief about inferiority by referencing this 1916 study by a guy named ferguson that claimed to show how intellectual performance of black students was correlated with their percentage of white ancestry. Wow. So like those who have some white genes are going to be smarter than those who don't. Fucking hell. These people are such villains.

I know. And that's still like prevalent today because another factoid I have for you is in 2012, some white assholes published a scientific article where they falsely claimed there was scientific evidence that skin color was related to aggression and sexuality in humans yeah they published like places published this article and then i think at least one publication in 2020 was like oh um we're actually gonna retract that one yeah good

it's three years ago for them to be like oh that's actually like fully false pseudo racist bullshit yeah I'm going to tell you that by just reading it I imagine it wasn't peer reviewed or you know well peer reviewed by peers of like minds yeah peer reviewed by

racists yeah and I think even Playboy eventually like retracted their article of the nazi guy because they were like oh this is clearly like just a pre like he he uses this platform as a pretext just about his racist nonsense and we're gonna go ahead and but i'm also just like you knew he was a member of the American Nazi Party and you're like, oh, yeah. Yeah. That's right. It's right in your way. Yeah. Yeah.

That's what we're all about. Yeah. Miss January and Miss whatever. And some Nazi propaganda. Exactly. So fun fact there. And I, in typing this, I was like, I'm going off on a tangent a little bit, but I do think it's important to tie it back to this fucking test these kids had to take and

the way that the LA school or the Louisiana I put LA but I meant Louisiana school district set up their desegregation I spelled it wrong but you don't have to do that every time it was

to ensure that as few black children as possible would pass, and they were set up to fail. And the Reddit user edhistory101 astutely noted, black children would do poorly on intelligence tests, not because they weren't as smart as white children, but because the test asked them about content they did not know or understand. so 105 105 and six-year-old black children sat for this test in this probably fuck off big room new orleans it was the metropolitan readiness test or at least the thought is as it was designed by a psychologist named gertrude hildreth who i didn't look into her but i wouldn't be surprised if she was kind of of the eugenics theory and shit too. And assess children's readiness for formal education. Many of the children, including little Ruby, likely had never done anything like this before. The fact that only five or six passed. And Ruby, in her autobiography, described the environment, how long and hard it was, and how subjective some of the scoring was.

Like drawing pictures and then having someone look at it and be like, fail. That shit. Yeah. Wow. Pretty much. scoring was like drawing pictures and then having someone look at it and be like that shit yeah wow pretty much and even though she passed ruby's parents were understandably hesitant to let her attend an all-white school even if it was just like a couple blocks from their home and i think they really considered whether or not they were gonna let her but i think they also really wanted her to have more opportunities than what they were afforded. So they ultimately decided to do so.

But like you noted earlier, the parents of the children who go there and likely the children themselves from hearing their parents, adopting their parents' views, and I think generally the views of society at the time, were likely of the noisy, stubborn race variety that didn't really want desegregation to happen. Noisy and stubborn. Yeah. And Ruby was the only one out of all of the students who passed to go to that school. Two were not pulled and put in white school and the other three went to a different school. So she was the only little girl.

Yes. Who's black to go. So she was on her own and her parents were a little bit scared for her safety. So they sought some protection and eventually she and her mother every single day were escorted by four federal marshals for the entire year. Wow. And crowds would gather and scream slurs at her. And Ruby wrote in her autobiography later that she was only frightened one time when she saw a woman holding a black baby doll in a coffin.

Fucking hell. So these women whose children go to the school, that's how they behaved towards a little girl the same age as their children. Like, anyway. Fucked up. She had to spend the whole first day in the principal's office because of the noisy, stubborn white people. And only,

well, actually, before I go there. So, it was just chaos. People withdrew their kids, and teachers actually refused to have her in their classroom as well. Really? So, the teachers also before I go there. So it was just chaos. People withdrew their kids and teachers actually refused to have her in their classroom. The teachers also were incredibly fucking racist. And only one teacher named I don't I didn't write take her name, but her name was Barbara. Her first name was Barbara. Only one teacher was willing to have her and she ended up being a student in a classroom of one bloody hell yep i was going to ask as well so even though they've desegregated the schools sort of if that's what they can call it

were there any measures put in place to also allow black teachers to teach in these schools no that was not that was not part of the directive, even if one could say, well, that's the implication. No, that that is light years down the road before that is even, I think, something that people start talking about. Maybe we should have people who reflect our students teaching as well. as well yeah so this teacher though bless her taught her would sit with her at lunch would play with be the only one to play with her at recess otherwise ruby was alone and uh you know she went to school every single day she didn't miss one day good honor yep and not only was i mean this kind of giant change from going to a school where she could interact, other students would interact with her, they look like her, you know, whatever, even if it's not, it has no money, poor facilities, a lot less, you know, kind of elective curriculum. She at least had friends. She got the socialization piece that kids get from school. she at least had friends she got the socialization piece that kids get from school and said she had to listen to people basically yell racial slurs and threaten her life and

scare the fucking shit out of her that she had to have the cops escort her every day it must have been terrifying and lonely yeah but she went every day and not only was she impacted but her parents also were impacted like her dad lost her job grocers and other stores and like merchants wouldn't sell stuff to her mom and i think even her grandparents i read lost like were evicted from the farm that they were uh crop shares on and they lived there for like 25 years what the fuck yeah just because she's doing something she's now allowed to do yep absolute check but time time went on and uh eventually more black students enrolled she eventually graduated she went on to kind of live a normal life she got married got a job you know but she also basically became a lifelong activist and she wrote in I think she wrote a couple things but also

spoke and talked about her experiences um and really just kind of became this well I'll show you some pictures too so you'll see what I mean like she's kind of iconic there's this one picture by Norman Rockwell of her being escorted in and then I have some pictures of like actual crowds and stuff too um but here's the thing that blows my mind. And you noted this when you sent me the thing on Instagram about her is this, I mean, this was before our lifetime and it in some ways feels like it was lifetimes ago, but like she's still alive. She's 69. My parents are older than her. And my parents were alive when this was going down too so like it was within a lifetime like people who are alive then are still alive and well including ruby so that's

what's crazy to me is that we talk about you know the back then of when things were really bad and it wasn't back then and things are still really bad but you know for not quite as you know obvious reasons right yeah but yeah that blows my mind like yeah she's you know our parents generation yeah it's fucking crazy like i would have just thought it was hundreds of years ago that this happened but yeah exactly and she's just like I also just think about how this was she was like an involuntary participant in this in some ways yeah you know people say oh I've been dancing or singing since I was two years old she literally has been like a activist for justice, racial justice, since she was basically a child. And she probably just at six, you know, she's thinking about, I just want to play with my Barbie that just came out in 1959, even though she doesn't look like me.

Or I just want to sit with my Etch-A-Sketch, which came out in 1960 and play with this. And I want to watch Lassie or my friend Flicka with my family and play with my friends you know that's what she wanted to do and instead she basically became this kind of like figurehead for a movement in a way um that she didn't really ask for and she you know instead is the first black student to integrate an elementary school in the american south and that's our girl ruby Ruby. Kind of circumstances were thrust upon her and girl did it as a child. I mean, there were days when I didn't want to go to school because I just was tired or someone was mean to me.

And she went through a lot. Yeah. Check out these pictures. As familiar as I was about her and her story um there's a lot I didn't know about her where did I put these pictures about her that I thought was just like oh yeah they definitely you know to the extent this was discussed when I was in school or you know kind of in any meaningful way they definitely just like left out a lot of stuff which as we know is pretty common

you can google Norman Rockwell the problem we all live with have you seen this before no yep that's little Ruby just walking to school with the cops and having shit thrown at her

yep here's another i'm gonna email you two other pictures okay and then you can describe what you're looking at so i thought she was a good one to start with too, just because when we think about, okay, I'm sending you this. There you go. When we think about like kind of inspiring women, sometimes I think it's easy to look at the past and look at the women who kind of like were trailblazers in a predominantly male field, you know, like you think about Madame Curie and kind of her role in science and stuff like that. And I just, again, like within a, you know, our generation, so to speak, or our parents' generation, so to speak, and like being around people who are alive during this time frame and

knowing full well that like there's still issues significant significant issues that are far more insidious and settled than they were with um well and i don't know if that's true either but like you don't people don't they choose not to see it in the same way because we don't have you know people are like well we don't have slaves anymore and we don't have segregated schools. And, you know, there's a ferment of action. Like all this really ignorant shit. When I think you and I have talked about kind of all of the ways it still exists today. Yeah. And we got this gal who's just, you know, late 60s.

She's like, yeah, I walked to school every day for a year and had to deal with i don't know if you got the email the pictures of those people standing outside screaming at her oh her teacher's name was barbara henry well well done barbara for not being a bellend oh god yeah it's the coffin yep if you look at them they're so happy with themselves as well like it's disgusting it's absolutely ridiculous and one more for you and this one's basically crowd of angry parents hurl insults at Ruby Bridge is... Just like... I bet they... Like, you just feel really good about yourselves screaming at this little girl.

Yeah. It's horrifying. What the fuck, man? I bet her parents wondered every single day if they did the right thing. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but... What were these people thinking? Like... if they did the right thing. Mm-hmm. Yeah. What were these people thinking?

We're super racist and hate people for no reason other than that they're not white. Especially with them being parents too. Just the lack of empathy and just, would you not think like, God, imagine if that was my child? Like, I just can't. No, they don't have that capacity. It's crazy to me. They don't have that capacity. They don't have that capacity.

Well, Ruby Bridges, you are a legend. What a fucking story that is. And I bet that changed the lives for so many more kids throughout the years. I imagine that entire year of her doing that is ultimately what made other kids feel like well if Ruby could do it yeah well thank you for telling us that story it was fascinating and really um did you like the twists and turns oh i did yeah just kidding we're gonna talk about virginia but not really just like to keep it interesting yeah that's really good thank you i look forward to your next report well my next report more reports forever yay forever. Yay. Am I the asshole?

You know you are, baby. Yay. Okay. My sister made a reservation at a hotel for Christmas. Told me dogs were allowed. Apparently they aren't. I said I wasn't going and refused to pay.

So my sister, I'm 25 female, my sister 37 female, was excited about going to a nature hotel for Christmas with all of our family members included. She sent me pictures of the place and it was a very nice place to stay for Christmas. My boyfriend and I live together. We both have two dogs. We're leaving our youngest, a Border Collie, in daycare for those days that we're going to be gone. But we also have a Golden Retriever who is three years old and he has grown to dislike male dogs. He's also not used to daycare and gets separation anxiety when he's not with us. Our Border Collie, on the other hand, is more social and outgoing with others and doesn separation anxiety when he's not with us. Our border collie

on the other hand is more social and outgoing with others and doesn't mind to sleep somewhere else etc. So the first thing I asked my sister was if I was allowed to take Noah our golden since there is no one in the family who can take care of him on Christmas. She said yes dogs were allowed and I told her that we would go and that it wasn't an issue. She made the reservation and I had to pay for some of us to get the place for that day. She sent me the link which said dogs aren't allowed. I then asked her again, hey, are you sure that dogs are allowed? And I sent her the screenshot of the part of the link where it said they weren't. She said, oh, I'm sure the owner of the place won't say no to us paying him

loads of money just because of a dog. So I talked this out with my boyfriend and he said that we should confirm with the owner. I text him via WhatsApp and he told me that dogs were 100% not allowed. I sent that to my sister and she said, we'll see what we can do. I told her that if Noah can't go, then we can't go either. She got angry at me, yelling at me that we had to pay our part because she cannot pay for what we were meant to pay. I told her that I was not going to pay a lot of money if we weren't going. She said that our dog was our problem and we needed to see how we were going to solve it. That it was up to me to see if dogs were allowed or not.

And I told her that she lied to me and that I was not going to pay because we're not going. Am I the arsehole? Hmm. Well, I mean, no. I don't think this person's the asshole because her first question was are dogs allowed yeah and and her sister said yes and uh you know it sounds like she even double checked and then when it was time to like look at the website it was kind of not clear or maybe seemed to suggest dogs weren't allowed and then her sister doubled down

and kind of was like it'll be fine and then when they basically did their own work to make sure it was okay and i mean 100 sounds like 100 to me, yeah, we'll see what we can do. We'll see what we can do. Right. And then being very clear, like, rather than say, okay, we're going to continue to proceed and just being clear about like, if we can't, we're not coming. So I guess I feel like, no, this person probably set the boundaries, gave notice. this person probably set the boundaries, gave notice. Also, her sister, I should imagine,

probably knows who she is and that this probably would happen, you know, if the dogs couldn't come and it's kind of her fault for maybe not double checking before even pursuing it or confirming after it was asked at least. And so I think her sister is actually, or maybe it's a female, right? I think her sister is the asshole and kind of like, oh, well, I guess, sorry, but I'm also not going to pay when I'm not going. Yeah, exactly.

Why should you? As a dog owner, I feel her pain. Like I've canceled on things because sometimes you can't get people to look after your dogs. And especially if a dog does have separation anxiety, you can't just fucking leave them on their own. Would you leave a child on its own? Because a place didn't allow children?

No, you wouldn't. Yeah. And I also think it's like really stuck up off her sister just to be like oh don't worry we'll like sneak the dog in or we'll manipulate the hotel owner into allowing dogs because yeah we are special like no love it's not gonna work it's not gonna work try if you want but i'm letting you know right now, my dog can't come. We're not coming. Just being clear before we get too far down this road. And I just like people, you know, she's even boarding one of her dogs, which I think can be expensive. And so I would get, that's hard for people. And so I think sometimes it's just people who have dogs,

they have to maybe say no to things because of that or pets in general. I mean, when Momo was sick, I didn't do a lot of things because he had a lot of needs. And I also was like, I don't really want to be away from him. And like to all the people out there that I maybe had to cancel on, I'm sorry, but I think you also understood and I greatly appreciate that yes well there we have it that's the first am I the arsehole of season two talking shit with a yank and a brit that is our new thing finger guns oh I like that. Yeah, that's actually, I feel, I need to go take a shower now.

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