Talking Shit with a Yank & a Brit - 40. Scary Games Are Scary

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

This week we're chatting about what we've been up to, what American shows would be called in the UK, the terrible story of Ruby Franke, and am AITA dilemma. Send your stories, questions, dilemmas to the pod at [e-mail] or on social medias @TSYBPOD

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Yeah, I can burp on command well. Hold on, let me do another one. That was incredible. Amazing. You're so talented talented the best thing about me such ladies and that my friends is talking shit with a yank and a brit we're here live but when you listen to it it won't be because that's not how podcasts work hi i'm kate i'm the ink. And I am Gemma, the British one. Hi. Hi. How you doing? I'm good. I know we had our little pre-record catch up and maybe a little bit of event session for a little behind the scenes for the listeners at home. We spend, you don't know like 15 20 minutes before we start recording just like probably doing the actual shit talking yeah maybe we should just record that as well yeah we could let us know if you want to hear about that but you know we just like talk about our weeks and talk about what's bothering us today and and then we try to put on

a different attitude to do this recording for you all to sound like positive uplifting people where we don't slag off men all the time yeah we're doing well we're doing good yeah today you know today was a chat slagging off numerous people so various genders yep you know equal opportunity as well it's not just men it can be women too yeah exactly exactly we live to serve so yeah so anything good this week even if it's just i had a really good piece of toast um uh yeah i i don't did i say this on the podcast i don't know i'm doing keto at the moment um i don't know if you said that but you told me last time i just don't know if we're recording yeah i don't know yeah i'm doing keto uh just give it a go and also because i'm going on holiday

in may and i want to be able to get in a bikini without hating myself so doing that uh it's been all right actually uh last couple of days i'm feeling good so that means i'm now in ketosis and i'm burning fat baby so that is great but what i also did was I ordered online some keto friendly bread which is like no carb bread because I do really like bread me too uh also some keto pizza bases because again I really like pizza bread and pizza sure uh and it tastes really good and last night i made a pizza using the bases of it was brilliant noise you want to drop a little plug for the brand or anything yeah so it's called seriously low um but it's spelt funny how's it spelt let me tell you that's spelled l-o-u-g-h like dough but low no seriously so it's s-r-s-l-y oh okay little uk-based company that do keto friendly foods so basically i don't know if you can get

in the u.s but you know maybe give it a go exactly see if you can order it's from hemel hempstead i believe so uh hey lauren if you're listening send jemma some keto recipes from ones that you thought were really good when you did it i've actually found it really easy because i am using a recipe book um and everything i've tried so far has been bloody delicious did you actually buy like a recipe book or did you just find one online I bought it because my dad and his girlfriend are also doing this diet oh cool for their own reasons um and mentioned it and were like this recipe book's amazing all the food tastes great. And I was like, oh, I'll give that a go.

So I bought the book, giving it a go. And it's great. Like I've cooked everything from fresh and even my lunches. Do you think you've lost weight? I have lost over a kilo already, but that's mainly water weight because that happens when you're eating carbs. Still counts. Still. I'm like, whoa, look at that scale. but that's mainly water weight because that happens yeah yeah carbs still counts still i'm

like whoa look at that scale i've never done keto but i did a whole 30 um oh yeah a couple years ago and it wasn't necessarily for wait i mean maybe it was but just to see if i could and actually a lot of the stuff that i ended up making i kept in my rotation because it was really good it was hard because like you barely can eat anything and I think I ended up losing like 10 pounds but then literally I did it for January so it's kind of like new year pull 30 do it for the month of January like February 1 to start eating what I wanted again 10 pounds probably that same day came back I imagine as soon as I eat carbs again then it's just all gonna come back but fuck it yeah give it a go yeah yeah i don't give a shit yeah it's just for vacation who cares

but i mean you know i eat a lot of carbs because i i fucking love bread it's so easy and delicious yeah it's just everything goes with bread. And I just I could if I had to eat one food for the rest of my life, it would just be bread and butter. Yeah. Or pizza. That's two foods technically. Well, pizza, I suppose, could be. It's a good question of like what qualifies as one food. Are we talking about like a dish or an ingredient?

OK, well, if it has to be one ingredient, then I'll go with potatoes because they are so versatile. You can do so much with them. Can't have any other ingredients, though. That's true. No salt, no butter. You just have to eat a plain potato.

That would suck. I would go... God, I don't know what I'd pick. It's hard, isn't it? Yeah. Okay, can we say that we're allowed butter and salt and pepper? Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Cool. Potatoes then. Probably me too, because then I could have potato chips, mashed potato, roast potato. Potatoes. You're right. Hasselback potatoes. So many potatoes.

And welcome to Talking potato with potato and potato how are you potatoing today potato very very potatoey today well um best of luck on your keto adventures keep us posted because i do think that's something a lot of people do and not you do and not enough people talk about it and the world deserves to know. Yeah, damn right. What have you been doing this week? What's new?

Tell me all. Oh, shit. Not a lot is new because I am the lamest person in the world. Work, I have gotten a lot of video gaming in. I've beaten like two games. And just really enjoying that. Cool.

For me. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Could be worse. I love to hear it, man. Thank you. Game the shit out of them games, man.

I sure, sure do. Though, you know, sometimes when they're scary, I have a really hard time. Yeah, I don't like scary games. No, they're scary. Yeah, I used to play Doom, Resident Evil, things like that. And I'd just be like, as soon as anything came around the corner and chuck the remote. Yes, exactly. And the graphics have only gotten better. So it even feels more realistic. as soon as anything came around the corner and chucked the remote and yes exactly and the graphics have only gotten better so it even feels more realistic like before doom like on the

computer was a little bit cheesy so i could deal with it still scared me yeah but then like tomb raider when we had a playstation when i was a kid terrified me but i loved it so much I mainly used to just walk around the mansion oh yeah and like do her obstacle course and yeah like be like her boobs how do her her boobs stay like that that's not a thing Lara Croft taught me unrealistic body image yeah thanks Angelina Jolie you bitch I had one thing that made me want to, like, hurl myself off a bridge. It happened yesterday. Oh. So I've been going to strength training, as you know, and I went yesterday, which is not the normal day I go, but I had to do a makeup session from when I was, like, dying from illness from food poisoning.

And a gal was there who I'd never seen before because usually you're kind of with the same people because you go the same day and same time every week. And she was nice. I had never met her before. She was funny. I enjoyed her. She was a little bit older. But she turns to me and she goes, you know, I have to let you know, you really look like

Joan Cusack. And I'm like, haven't had that one before. Thank you. And inside, I'm just like'm just like well I'm gonna go drive off bridge now I would have like I told my my friend who does the training with me afterwards and she's like John Cusack and I go no I would have been flattered if she said John Cusack. I find him attractive. And Joan Cusack is a hilarious lady. Mad respect to her. But I'm just like, that is not the person I've been trying to emulate.

Yeah. So that was a sad thing that happened to me. And I was just like, I've gotten so many celebrities over the years. And I find it really makes a difference, like hair how I'm wearing my hair um more so than the fact that I actually look like these people like I used to get new girl Jess when I had bangs all the time really all the time like when I was in law school and had long hair and this full-on bang all the time and it's just like I actually don't look like her, but thank you for the compliment. No.

I mean, you don't look like Joan, but I will be calling you Joan from now on. Oh, rattle snake Kate is out the window already. Out the window already. All right, Joan it is. At least it's better than Kathy, Spaffy Kathy. So yeah, that's my upper and downer for the week. Lots of video games, but called joan cusack no offense joan if you're listening i think you're wonderful but

but kate doesn't want to look like you all right no and i don't think she wants to look like me and i wouldn't blame her okay well we got that out of the way yeah um I found this post and it's um give American TV shows a very British name um I just thought it was funny

so I want to share it with you so it starts with mates instead of friends. Okay, friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll see if you can guess them. Bit odd, ain't it?

Bit odd, ain't it? Oh, God, I know it's something like so weird or something. Stranger things. Oh, yeah, of course. Okay. Bit odd, ain't it? Stranger Things oh yeah of course okay bit odd Superman would be Top Bloke yeah okay

um how about see if you can guess this one it's always pissing it down in Sunderland it's always sunny in Philadelphia? Yeah. I like that show. Curb your enthusiasm. Give it a rest.

Oh yeah, it would. A&E instead of ER? Yeah, yeah i was gonna say probably er right yeah gaff oh something with okay gaff g-a-f-f yeah so i know in some like uk countries that's cop cops yeah a gaffer yeah but is that not what this is referring to no so that so gaff isn't like mistake or funny issue like no all right i don't know house coming around my gaff oh sure okay i heard that before. So gaff here is like a faux pas or like I had a gaff where, you know, my pants ripped or something. In public. Oh, we've all heard that. Yeah, who hasn't? Then someone put...

So for the walking dead,, Rotherham. I've never been there, but I bet that's so accurate. Oh, God. Okay, so then I'm thinking about some really popular British shows like Coronation Street would be... Coronation Street, is that like posh people or trashy people? Sort of neither. It's just northern. Okay, so then it would be... Northern.

Because I want to say like Hollywood Boulevard, but i don't know if that's like a equal exchange could it be it'd just be like a small town hennepin avenue for my minnesota people yeah there you go um about like american dad. British father. Oh, is that one of them? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Incredible Hulk would be an absolute unit. That sounds like something

Stone would say. Two and a half men. Two geezers and a kid kid I do love the word geezer for men yeah that's a great one what

I know there's why can't I think of any British shows right now why i mean i know there are some but it's like the office is the office and like we ghosts as ghosts about friday night dinner. Oh, okay. Yes, I have. It would be, this is why we don't eat at other people's houses. And you have goggle box, which would just be people you don't know watching TV and talking about it and you're going to love it. people you don't know watching TV and talking about it and you're going to love it.

What about Desperate Housewives? Well, it's a surprise to be more American like Thirsty Birds. Slappers. Slappers? Oh, I don't know if I've heard that term for anything. Slappers. It's just like a slag. Not a slut.

Oh, okay. What a slapper. I guess I didn't ever really perceive them as... I suppose they would be... Yeah, they are kind of slutty, aren't they? yeah they are kind of slutty aren't they hi hi and we're back i've sold on that from another podcast which one um the uh fuck i can't remember what it's called. The Scrubs one. Oh, with the two guys from Scrubs. Haven't listened to it.

Donald Faison and Zach Braff. Exactly, those two. Yeah, it's good. I really enjoy Scrubs, and they're basically just re-watching every episode and talking about it. I also didn't mind Scrubs that much. I thought it was an easy to watch show.

It's the most medically accurate show, even over like ER and the other one, Grey's Anatomy. Grey's Anatomy is not accurate. As in like all the medical terms. They're not having all that sex in the hospital not no i thought that was reality tv no it's not sorry to burst your bubble well before we were so rudely interrupted by my deficiencies and equipment you were going to tell me a story of a woman of hoary yes so this week i've got a

little tale for you but she's not a woman of glory she's the opposite she's a knob she's a knob okay great she's a i think we need to balance sometimes with a really inspiring woman with shitty women because I am going to start feeling really horrible about myself. That's it. We're not all great. Not everyone's as great as us. No, we're not all great. No. So yes, up for this. So yes, up for this. All right. Well, I'm going to tell you a wee little story.

It's very, what's the word for that thing when it's like relevant now? Current? Yeah, current. I don't know. Topical. Topical. That's the one I'm looking for. Thank you.

You're welcome. Very topical because it's all come to a head this week great so i'm gonna tell you about ruby frank might be ruby frankie okay it's got an e on the end i don't know how you pronounce we don't know but i'm gonna call okay so ruby shares six kids too many in my opinion sherry chad abby julie russell and eve with her now estranged husband kevin sherry chad julie Chad Julie Russell Eve Kevin and Abby Abby Kevin's the husband I don't know where Kevin came from

okay there you go got it listen sorry she formerly offered parenting insights on her YouTube channel

8 Passengers you ever heard of that? no I hate this already no is she British? eight passengers you ever heard of that no i hate this already no is she british no she's american she lives in utah i'm super surprised i haven't heard about her okay i am too and you can go into a nice little rabbit hole when we finish this story and get nice and angry i will so um she gained a huge following with her YouTube channel.

She had over 2 million subscribers. And she was, you know, a mumfluencer, as they call it. Was she Mormon? Yes. Oh, okay. Spoiling. Sorry. The Utah gave it away.

Really? Yeah. um the utah gave it away really yeah that's the state when i hear utah i think mormons i'm not gonna lie brilliant okay well yeah generalizations are sometimes true um so yeah really popular youtube channel she gave parenting advice um but a few of the videos did spark like controversy over the years um it was started in 2015 um but her parenting style was quite strict um obviously i guess due to the the mormonism if that's how you do it maybe so some criticized her strict parenting style when it came to light in one of her videos that her son had been sleeping on a beanbag for seven months as punishment for pranking his brother. Now, she claimed that this was his choice and that he did have a choice to sleep on a pull out bed. They basically like took away his bedroom for seven months as punishment. to sleep on a pull-out bed they basically like took away his bedroom for seven months as punishment so he could either sleep on this bean bag a chair i think it was or like a pull-out sofa bed he

apparently he chose the bean bag because it was the most comfy i'm not sure there we go do we know how old the kid that was being punished is uh i that is important to me I did read that it's okay if you don't know I'm just curious let me just have a quick look while you're looking I'll opine on why it's important depending on the age of this child that sort of punishment

and that's giving that choice might not be appropriate in fact I'm going to go ahead and giving that choice might not be appropriate. In fact, I'm going to go ahead and guess that I will not find it appropriate. No, probably not. It's a two-year-old pranking his brother. Not even mad. I'm just, I'm impressed. It's okay, gal.

I didn't mean to throw you for a curveball. Yeah, I don't know. But, you know, it was... Don't worry about it. Irrelevant. It's stupid I even said it. I'm so sorry. It was young.

That's all I give you. I did read it somewhere. Didn't put it in my report. Sorry. She was also criticized for another video, which raised alarm bells because she basically documented that her six year old daughter put the age in on this one. A six year old daughter basically had forgotten to take her lunch to school and the school rang her to let her know. And she made a video about it, basically saying that her daughter was in charge of making and taking her own lunch to school. So this was a learning opportunity for her.

And she allegedly told the school not to give her any food so that her daughter would be hungry to teach her a lesson. So this obviously caused some viewers some concern. And they called CPS and police who did visit the family home, but apparently they didn't find anything of concern because nothing happened. They're the police. Oh yes. Sure. And she continued making

her YouTube videos. I hope the school gave the kids some lunch. I'm just going to put that out there. Yeah. I think they, I would hope they would have You know what I mean But yeah

Anyway she continued making her parenting videos She's making a lot of money off this shit She's you know giving people advice Behind closed doors Her marriage to good old Kevin Started to fall apart And in 2021 they turned to a therapist called jodie hildebrandt who suggested they live separately to save their

relationship now relevant to what i said to you earlier i just want to be I'll leave that vague, but yeah, go on. So this Jodie Hildebrand also gave like parenting advice, I think on her own channel and was like a therapist for, I read somewhere that it was like for sex addiction and stuff as well. I don't really know. She seems a bit of a wild bitch. Anyway. No.

We're not talking about her, though. I mean, she does play in this, but we don't want to give her too much airtime. Anyway. The two women later began working together offering parenting seminars and launching another YouTube channel and publishing content on their shared Instagram page called Mums of Truth. That sounds like some weird Trump-supporting nonsense,

to be honest. Sounds like a cult, doesn't it? Yeah. Which is relevant to this. Keep that in mind. Oh. Dee-dee-dee-dee. Dee-dee-dee-dee.

So together, they doled out advice and prompted honest lifestyles, including their brand as parenting role models to conceal what was happening behind the scenes. Gross. Wah, wah, wah. So it was only when Frank's 12-year-old son escaped from Hildebrandt's home in southern utah uh i believe this was

oh i want to say november last year so november 2023 ruby's son was at this other woman's house yeah so she's moved in with this woman with two of her kids not the others because this Because this was the advice of, you guys need to live separately, so I don't want one of you to come live with me. Yeah. Weird. Okay, that's crossing some boundaries that I think, like, the board who monitors, like, therapy

licensure in Utah probably would have some problems with. Yeah. It's not cool really, is it? No. No, it's bizarre and definitely crossing boundaries so this 12 year old boy escaped had to escape her home had to escape her home right went to a neighbor's house and asked them to call 9-1-1 um and this is when the true scale of the duo's depravity was brought to light. Okay. So he managed to escape and asked the neighbour to call police while begging for food and water.

The boy appeared to be severely malnourished and had deep lacerations from being tied up with rope and from his malnourishment, according to court documents. Hildebrandt had also allegedly used cayenne pepper and honey directly on his wounds. Oh my god. I know. So police attended the house and arrested Frank and Hildebrandt and also found Frank's daughter in a similar state of malnourishment. found Frank's daughter in a similar state of malnourishment. So,

they're arrested. Court case begins. Investigation begins. So, this all went to trial, I think, in December last year. Both the women ended up pleading guilty and making plea deals.

And Ruby Frank has basically admitted to a load of shit that she did to her kids hold on to your hat okay so she admitted in her statement that her actions involved physical torture of her son in the plea deal frank further admitted to forcing the boy into long hours of physical tasks, working outside in the summer without shoes or adequate water. He received repeated and serious sunburns that blistered after he was forced to stand in the direct sunlight for several days. The boy was denied sufficient food and when given food, he was given very plain meals, while others in the house ate regular and more flavourful meals, according

to the plea agreement. Frag also admitted to kicking her son while wearing boots, holding his head underwater and cutting off his oxygen by placing her hands over his mouth and nose. Oh my god. Mm-hmm. Ropes were

used to tie together handcuffs that secured his hands and feet as he lay on his stomach, lifting his arms and legs off the ground and injuring his wrists and ankles. She also admitted that her son was kept isolated from other people and denied all forms of entertainment, including books, notebooks and electronics. notebooks and electronics. Similar abuse was inflicted on Frank's nine-year-old daughter and she admitted writing in her statement that the girl was forced to work outside, run on dirt roads barefoot for extended periods of time and go without food and water. She was also repeatedly told that she was evil and possessed and the punishments were necessary for her to be obedient and repent. These things were being done to her in order to help her. And the girl was convinced that what her mother said was true.

Of course. Of course she was. You know, you just believe what your parents tell you at that age, don't you? Absolutely. Especially when you don't have access to other people who are combating that narrative my guess is they weren't going to school um and i don't know who else was in the home but no one was in there going to be like that's not true don't listen to your mom exactly jesus we're like and she had six kids so the other four were with her husband and he's just like i'm not going to

worry about them i think so yeah I mean the eldest one had basically like cut all ties from her mom and the family a few years ago um as soon as that person as soon as that kid could I'm sure it was like bye change my name yeah that's it um I'm not sure and then I guess that yeah they must have been with the husband. I didn't see what's going on. That is so upsetting. Like he is also to blame here. Like, and I'm sure he probably will have some things to say, but I'm just like, what? You just weren't worried about your kids, your two kids over there?

Oh, I'm so frustrated. I, this, so I don't think I've heard about this. Maybe I have, but there was a similar case a couple years ago in california where like this couple basically had like their kids all tied to a bed all the time and made them like sit in feces and filth and a kid one of the girls escaped and ran to a neighbor like it's so fucked up that people do this to their why why are you having kids just to fucking abuse them my question about like why these two kids like why this treatment because it seems like maybe there was some kind of questionable parenting practices before she moved in with this woman but what What changed? Exactly. So she, I'll come to that.

Hold that thought. Continue. So she pleaded guilty to four of the six charges of aggravated child abuse, a second-degree felony, originally filed against her in exchange for the other two being dismissed. So when she made her plea, she said, with my deepest regret and my sorrow for my family and my children, guilty. Oh, fuck you, lady.

fuck you lady a week later her business partner and former utah therapist hildebrandt also pleaded guilty to four counts of aggravated child abuse for physically and emotionally abusing frank's children according to her plea agreement hildebrandt admitted to knowingly inflicting and allowing another adult to inflict serious physical injuries upon two young children living at her home. She admitted that she physically forced Frank's nine-year-old daughter to jump into a cactus multiple times, to run barefoot on dirt roads for extended periods of time and kept her isolated from others.

The former therapist also admitted to helping Frank torture her youngest son. They both confessed to or they both confessed to telling the two children that they were evil, possessed, and needed to be punished. And the boy was told that everything being done to him was an act of love, according to the plea agreements. Sure it was. Sure. That's called grooming, just FYI. And other things, and manipulation, and all of that so that's called being a cunt okay yeah big time so three months after frank's arrest her husband filed for divorce at the fourth district court of utah he has constantly denied any knowledge of the alleged child abuse as he

was estranged from his family for some time until the arrests. So maybe the other kids actually just were old and older and out of the home. Yeah, possibly. Okay. I don't believe you, sir. I bet she was doing some of that shit when you were together. Well, that's it. They had this YouTube channel since 2015.

They had all the kids then. she didn't just start being physically abusive and horrible to her children it seems like it probably escalated but she didn't just start doing that so and like he whether he passively let it happen he either turned a blind eye or participated. Maybe that's why they started having issues, because he disagreed with it, but didn't fucking do anything about it. Gross. Sure is.

But on some good news, six months after being arrested and charged with felony... Why can't I say that word? Felony. I don't know. Yeah, there you go. Charged with felony child abuse. Former YouTuber Ruby Frank has been sentenced up to 60 years in prison.

Although she might not get 60 years. No, I'm sure she'll get paroled. Yeah, something to do with like the Utah law. So she was given four consecutive one to 15 year sentences meaning that she could spend between 4 and 60 years in prison quite a difference there yeah so it's always a range i mean not always like states have different rules but like so certain certain sentences or crimes can be like sentenced, arranged, because there's often mitigating circumstances for certain things, right? So it gives judges some discretion there. And then there's certain crimes that there's not anywhere. It's just like your life without parole. And

that's usually murder, something like that. Yeah. So I mean, basically, how we do it where I'm at is kind of like there's going to be, you're going to have a maximum sentence, but then you also will get paroled and then on probation for the, there's like you serve a third. I can't remember the formula, but then you're on probation or parole for a period. And the only time it's ever life without parole is usually like murder one so crazy well apparently child abuse isn't that serious so well i mean if she actually served the full 60 then that's great like that would be interesting but i'm guessing it's probably going to be more like four probably not more than 10 that sucks doesn't it yeah it does i mean at least you'll be too old probably to have kids by then so no shit uh i suspect if she had any children they would probably as soon as they were born like this yeah probably remove the child and terminate

parental rights i hope so um i would hope yeah maybe not in utah i guess i don't know um but the reality is is like that's for potentially more of her life where it's like her kids are fucked up for a lifetime yeah and that's true for a lot of victims of crimes where like the sentence is actually woefully pathetic particularly in sexual assault and rape yeah those types of crimes but it's just like you those those poor children are they with their dad or was the state like maybe you guys need like i think the youngest kids were taken into social care whatever you call it then yeah but usually i mean unless they find a particular reason it could be different in utah again unless they find a particular reason why he's a safety concern and

can't have the kids they most states would be like well you're the dad so here you go you see there was an article actually he was probably just off living his best life not having to be a parent being estranged like finally not worrying about his kids like i could i'm confident in saying he's also pos so ruby's four minor children remain in the care of the state oh well good that was the right move but i hope that they aren't like, I mean, that's also not great for kids. Kids getting put in foster care and stuff. That's, you know, those are all adverse childhood experiences.

Oh my God. I just Googled her. Her face is punchable. But Kevin Frank has filed for guardianship over their 16 year old daughter, Abby. So, well, so while reading this concentration camp is what like one headline just about to say that it's ruining it oh sorry go on so while reading the sentencing recommendation the state prosecutor eric clark compared the environment frank's children faced to a concentration camp-like setting,

and said that Frank committed horrible acts of child abuse while addressing Hildebrandt's charges. Clark called her a significant threat to the community. Both women addressed the court before their hearings, with Hildebrandt saying that she would submit to what the state feels is an appropriate amount of time served. admit to what the state feels is an appropriate amount of time served. Frank admitted that she and Hildebrandt had inflicted the injuries on her children, and she said that she had been led to believe that this world is an evil place, and that Hildebrandt had never been her business responsibility,

but that she had paid the other woman to be her mentor. Frank also thanked the public safety officials who rescued her children, calling them angels. Okay. So she was like trying to position herself for like, oh, I'm a little crazy. Yep. So she, I didn't know what I was doing. So she said, my charges are just, they offer safety to my family and accountability to the public. For the past four years, I've chosen to follow counsel and guidance that has led me into a dark delusion. My distorted reality of version of reality went largely unchecked as I would isolate from anyone who challenged me. To my babies, you are part of me. I believe dark was light and right was wrong

i would do anything in this world for you and i took from you all that was soft safe and good she said um okay so what's your excuse before that then because like i the the thing i'm looking at is talking about prior to that when she was still doing her own like before working with this therapist is like it was pretty horrible too and like i guess did you see and maybe this is in there so stop me but she basically tried to blame her kids a little bit too yeah okay i'll let you continue yeah um yeah so since this has all come out her older kids have spoken out and are basically relieved that she's been arrested and said this should have happened years ago. Her eldest daughter, the one that's estranged, tried to get her arrested and done for child abuse years ago,

but nothing was ever taken seriously. And her eldest son, Chad, he's the one whose bedroom got taken away from him. Chad, he's the one whose bedroom got taken away from him. He's like posted videos on TikTok or his girlfriend did of him like celebrating the fact that she'd been arrested and sentenced. Yeah. Oh, also her sisters have come out. have come out. So Ruby Frank's sisters have come out and released a statement saying that they're also relieved and pleased that she's been arrested and charged for what she's done. But then they've also released other statements that have said she was really delusional and that

she was really deeply brainwashed so um they couldn't recognize her so it's like they're trying to claim is that this other woman brainwashed her into doing all this stuff they would have to be like we she's been like this and we've known about it for a really long time whereas they could say yeah it was really bad but she was brainwashed and delusional and we couldn't get through to her so therefore we're not to blame either and fine but like if truly these like i get that you know the children have tried to do things and it was ignored because i think that's what the state and law enforcement, they don't listen to kids, right? But people could have done something. People could have done, adults could have done something. And maybe it's a failing of child protection and law enforcement and those

institutions in Utah too, but like her sisters and Kevin could have done something. her sisters and Kevin could have done something. Yeah. And I think neighbors as well tried to intervene at points as well with, with law enforcement and child protection. But, you know, I,

I think from what I've read about it, she, when she was doing her YouTube, although she came off as strict, her youtube although she came off as strict i imagine she put on a very happy family oh yeah she's to the public white and blonde exactly and you should see the pictures on her like instagram and stuff it's all very happy families and the kids are all smiling and look fine and healthy and they've got a lovely house um gross that's so upsetting yeah i just like i look at her and that is why she was able to i think escape scrutiny for so long because money whiteness white privilege pretty privilege notoriety fame like though people with those benefits escape scrutiny for so long

it's it's fucked up it is proper fucked up and those poor fucking children yeah i was seeing one thing was about how she tried to like blame one of the kids who apparently just like she was trying to say he sexually abused a bunch of other oh yes yeah i saw that as well yeah and then provided no other evidence to back that up but like that's why i had to do it because he's dangerous well get him help then like yeah it's fucked up isn't that real fucked up downer of a story yeah sorry about that no i no i think it's interesting i you're right when you told me earlier that this is kind of like in my area because I, I did work in, in child protection and I do work in like child welfare and best interest of children now.

These types of cases thankfully don't come to me or shouldn't come to me. However, I've had many a case where I'm like, NCPS didn't do anything about this this at all like why why not uh problem and it's like no systems are perfect but like the most vulnerable in our society just like those they're the ones who get harmed the most by yeah the less than perfect system no we had a terrible story i think it was last year came out about a poor little toddler that was basically tortured and beaten to death by his scumbag parents yeah um and i remember that actually i did yeah child services have been around a few times and should have noticed you know the fucking bruises and i think like it was so badly beaten it was like black and blue when he died and had like

broken arms and legs like truly fucking horrific and you think that the people that are employed to check on the welfare of these children would at least notice yeah signs or you know yep i've been thinking a lot about at least least here in the States, there's this kind of like parental rights and like right to raise your children how you want and stuff. It's like such a deeply ingrained kind of philosophy or belief. a case went to the Supreme Court about like homeschooling children or not giving your children life-saving medical care because of like religious beliefs and revolves around like well you have the right to raise your children how you want what about like kids rights yeah it just seems like it they're kind of just second to parental rights and it seems really unfair because they're people too they're not objects they're not property but the way the supreme court if i remember correctly kind of in the early days they almost treated children as like a property right really yeah it's almost like a pet yeah

yep or a shoe or you know a slave i guess but it's just like and so i have cases where i'm like working with parents and they'll say something like, it's my God given right. And I'll be like, what about your kids' rights? Do your kids have rights in your perspective? And like, I care about you. Is that something they even consider in some cases? I don't think, I think they think they're the same thing. People confuse them. Because I'm a parent, therefore, my kid needs me and I'm the best person for them. And I agree. Kids do best when they have relationships that are meaningful with both of their parents when their parents are healthy and able to like do so right but because I had kids when I was working um you know kind of in juvenile court who were removed from their fam from their parents and for good horrific reasons yeah but also wanted to be with their parents

understandably you know um and I think I'm not saying that that's like perfect either and I think about their rights in that regard as well but like there's a I think I'm not saying that that's like perfect either. And I think about the rights in that regard as well. But like there's a, I think a biological and very natural instinct to want to be with your parents, which is why you have kids who learn they're adopted and stuff. There's like a desire to know where you came from. Um, but I think parents get confused about what they think they're entitled and what should happen because i did something to make this person that somehow trumps their own rights and i mean that's true we do that in the society like right now alabama saying that in like embryos so like fertilized eggs are a person.

So that egg has more rights than the woman who like they took the egg from. Makes me angry. That really grinds my gears. That really grinds our gears, doesn't it, Gemma? My palms are bleeding from clenching my fist so hard right now oh wow i mean well i this is i i am gonna go down a rabbit hole with this just because i haven't heard about it and i i mean there's lots of reasons probably why i haven't come across it probably avoided the news during that time frame but anytime i see stuff like this i do find it really upsetting because like sure she said one thing when she pled guilty and gave

her statement and all of that and is trying to look like she has remorse because i'm sorry if you don't show remorse you're going to get a higher sentence so like her attorneys maybe coached her well but nothing that she said felt genuine to me in any way. Because like if she were delusional, brainwashed, kind of having some sort of mental diminished mental capacity like she. Yeah. Oh, thank God that snapped me out of it. Oh, I'm better now. Now that I've been arrested. Yeah. Once I left that house, I'm so clear. So much clarity now

uh i i do think it's good that the therapist also got arrested i mean they lived together and she participated but i also i'm just like oh i forgot to say you have a responsibility to your clients the therapist has gone out since all this happened and said, this behaviour is Jodie. So this is where kind of the cult thing comes in because obviously Ruby's saying that she was kind of brainwashed. Her sisters were saying that she was brainwashed. And Jodie's niece has come out and said that that's how she used to be treated when she was a kid and used to go and stay with her aunt.

It was very abusive and everything she did to these other ladies, kids happened to her as well. So this is not a new thing that Jodie's been doing. It's she's been doing it for years and it's clearly just a massive bellend. Yeah. And I'm guessing she doesn't have any children of her own. Not that I've seen. Yeah. My understanding. So I just like she doesn't have any children of her own. Not that I've seen. My understanding.

So I just like, I don't need to have kids. I can just abuse other people's kids. That's fine. What the fuck? Yeah, so they were literally sentenced on Monday this week, on the 20th of February. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. It's this article from the New York Times, which I'll read in a minute. It was from four days ago. Yeah, it's all very fresh. Oh, God. Well, people who are in a position of, like, a power or authority, which is why we have,

like, ethical standards for therapists, like, I suspect, you you know she was able to persuade a lot including like you two need to physically separate to save your marriage i'm guessing the next thing that followed was you can come live with me he can stay at the home bring your kids uh what and then like obviously their relationship didn't get better because they continued to be estranged so like i do wonder now what her underlying motivations were like oh i need to get some more kids in my house so i can be abusive to them like fuck that's where i really like that's my real passion fuck it's weird i mean it's difficult with therapy because i mean over here you can essentially do like an online therapy course or counseling course and then therapize people you know so essentially once you've done

that course you could pretty much say what you fucking want really i mean there are obviously ethical standards and i imagine some checks that are conducted but in the privacy of a therapy room there's nothing stopping the therapist from doing what the fuck they want really interesting i mean i think some of that's true here because like you go to therapy it's private like it's not necessary i mean it's confidential but like i can get therapy records in my line of work and they're helpful to me um but like there's and people wouldn't know this like if they've never been to therapy before or just kind of don't have that like level of expertise they could have a therapist who's like really kind of doing some fucked up shit and some fucked up like practices that unless

someone else told them that it was they can't do that it was unethical crossing some boundaries and stuff like people would just be like yeah and people don't tend to go into much detail about what their therapist has told them, do they? And also there's the whole speaking to someone who has authority over you. Well, you go to for their input and insight and stuff too, so

there's a natural kind of deference. What's the experiment where people were told to electrocute someone? stuff too so like there's a natural kind of like deference you know take their word for it's that what's the experiment where people were told to electrocute someone yeah the um the god what was i so fuck i was just thinking about this harvard i think yeah harvard electric shock therapy milgram stanley milgram back in yep that's it that was it was a while ago maybe not that long ago but yeah it was kind of like not questioning authority sort of thing

and the majority of people won't which can be very dangerous so even that study itself they question like the ethics of it and same with the there was like the prison experiment where they i think that was in california when it was a what's a college stanford stanford prison experiment i think where they basically had these student volunteers who were prisoners or guards and you can probably imagine how that ensued yeah that was pretty fucked up wasn't it yeah that was pretty fucked up wasn't it

yeah it's crazy you know what we do when we're in positions of authority and positions of subordinate yeah but I mean that's why you hear people like the Nazis they're oh we're just following orders

exactly yeah well on that note where people like the Nazis, they're, well, we're just following orders. Hmm. Okay. Well, on that note, it's a horrible story of Ruby, Frank, and Jodie Hildebrandt or whatever. I feel like we need something a bit more lighthearted to end the episode on now. A little bit of a palate cleanser.

What do you got? Okay. I've got, I've got enough of a chest. Great. I don't think this is going to make us any happier. Okay. Well, that's okay too. Sometimes some episodes are just downers, folks.

Okay. I'm just seeing if I've got like a yoga am i the arsehole should we do that instead perfect okay so i want to preface this. I like preface better. I want to preface this by saying that I know, oh God, I can't read now. I've lost the ability to read. I want to preface this by saying that I know this is at least partly something I need to deal with myself. Not everyone's actions are intentionally negative. And if I'm taking them negatively, then that's

at least partially on me. Very self-aware. Love it. Okay. So first some backstory. I go to a hot yoga studio three times a week. This studio almost solely does warm or hot classes. I don't know why people go to these classes i could not fucking deal with that imagine doing yoga in a sauna no thanks i have i don't i don't particularly care for yoga anyways and i don't think it's safe to be sweating all over my mat and then slipping no that's it i'm a sweater as it is in a normal class. So the amount of liquid that I would perspire would be unreal in that situation. It's an episode title. But people do like saunas. So I could see why people might think it's cleansing in some way.

Yeah, I don't mind a sauna, but I don't want to be exercising. It's mental. I agree. No argument for me in it. That's mental. I agree. Anyway. No argument from me. Cool. Glad you agree. Okay.

The studio itself is inside a larger building and has no windows in the room, which makes it perfect for evening restorative classes because the room can get really dark, which is a perfect practice for restorative or nidra. And anecdotally, I've heard at least two other guys in the room say how much they enjoy the darkness as well. So I like to get to class as much as 30 minutes before the actual start time so that I have time to lie down on my mat, meditate and relax. I deal with really bad anxiety and have ADHD, so I need this time to get my mind into the space before I can focus on the practice. Essentially, I'm the first one in the class, every class. In the last month or so, there has been an older woman who, when she comes into the classroom, just immediately turns on the lights as bright as they will go.

She doesn't warn anybody and she doesn't ask if it's okay but she just does it i find this super distracting because when i'm meditating my eyes are closed and having the lights turn on full blast so quickly takes me out of my meditative meditative space and throws me yeah that'd be a pain in the ass now as i said she's older at least 65, maybe more. So I totally understand that it could be an issue with her sight and that she needs the lights up bright, but it still feels crappy. And to consistently have my concentration so quickly destroyed without so much as a, hey, I'd like to turn the lights up a bit warning. On top of this, for the last three weeks she's asked for

the heat to be turned off which our teacher has been reluctant oh sorry our teacher has reluctantly agreed to god but if you don't want to be in a hot studio maybe you should look for a class that isn't advertised as being hot the rest of the class came here specifically for the heat and now one of those benefits is being taken away by one person. I haven't said anything to anyone, but I just want to know if these concerns are even valid. Finally, we live in a big city, population 1.7 million, if you're wondering. So it's not like there are tons of other options. Sorry, it's not like there aren't tons of other options for her to go to that wouldn't cater to her needs better. Anyway, am I the arsehole?

You're the yoga fan expert guru. I'll let you start. No, I don't think she's the arsehole. I think it's rude to turn on the lights without asking. Often a yoga teacher will set the room and the mood to be a certain way, usually because people want to come to yoga to calm down reset refresh so it's usually you know lower lighting nice warm environment even not in a hot yoga session yeah um and it just seems very uh rude of this woman to do that and also to request that the heat's turned down just seems ridiculous because it's a hot yoga class yeah that that one threw me for a loop a little bit i would they did it yeah like if i think she needs to talk to the manager yeah the manager of the studio or the teacher and just say like she's kind of really interrupting my practice and fucking my flow can you ever have a word or just tell her to stop turning the lights on and turning the heat down because it's stupid stop it

no i have a few things that like i'm wondering about so like she gets there a half hour early so she can kind of have the time right and so that tells me the room obviously isn't in use and i'm wondering if the particular place has policies about like yep you can go in there and do what you need to ahead of time and in that case then like she also has to compromise a little bit because it's not like she's reserving the room exclusively for herself right but i do think it's very entitled and disrespectful and kind of which is normal behavior for someone of that age in that generation from the stereotypes we hear about that age and that generation sometimes um it would be very respectful to go in and be like can i just turn on the lights a

little bit can't see or not go in there until closer to the start time when you can fucking see but of course this woman doesn't like it's about her and everything is built around her and her needs that's the world has been created for this woman this older woman but going back to our gal like i suppose a compromise could be turning the lights up slightly so that she could still meditate but maybe this woman or other people who come in could see. Right. Because maybe they want to come in and do it too. But it's too dark.

And that's where I'm like this room 30 minutes before the session isn't just hers. But I also agree that the other woman is way out of order. And she's not the asshole. Now the heat thing is why are you changing the substance and nature of this class, which is why all of us came here for one person? Like that doesn't make sense. Not at all. So yeah, talk to the manager.

Yeah, for sure. One of the top comments is from this person who says, I say this as a teacher who's only taught in huge cities and with a demanding and difficult clientele. If a client touched the lights or anything without asking i'd shut it down kindly and privately but very fast same thing with the heat the teacher needs to control the room or the studio manager or owner does you can't turn a heated class advertised such into a non-heated class for one person nor should clients be touching anything with the lighting or av system etc that said i'm surprised the studio is even staffed and operational and ready for someone to come into the room 30 minutes early usually 15 minutes or so is the norm

so yeah my guess is she probably asked permission and they've let her right but i agree that's where i'm kind of like well you know I'm thinking about when I've gone to the gym and gone into like the strength training room beforehand and like pick my spot and set up and stuff I kind of just leave it as I find it and make my space and just like but it's because it's still not my space to turn it into the environment I want you know but she's going in and leaving the lights off and not touching the heat so she's not really disrupting anything yeah I mean other people in these classes are the worst bit about it yeah one of the reasons why I practice at home more now

because specifically in my area there's a lot of older mum types, you know, who, yeah, but also just go there for a fucking chat and a gossip. And I'm like, guys, not really the place. Do you know what I mean? I don't say that. I sit there and I'm very British and I say nothing, just tutting under my breath. But yeah, they go there for a chat and there's one particular woman who's, I mean, she seems really lovely, but my God, she just wants to talk and gossip.

And, oh my God, I come here because I do this and I do that. And all my little boys does this and my little girl does that. And I'm like, just shut up. No one cares. Come here to chill out and work out. I don't need to hear your fucking life story, right, mate? Fuck off. Of all the classes where people talk,

yoga is the one where I'm like, that is not the place. No. Strength training, spin, cardio, loud music, shit like that. Go for it. Yoga is restorative,itative mindful quiet soothing peaceful whatever it's not jesus yeah she's a she's a handful i wish you were less british and you could be like man go shut the fuck up fuck up go to the juice bar yeah yeah well on that note not the asshole

not the asshole you're not the asshole everyone else is baby that was a good way to end it I think let's leave that there great yes okay bye okay bye then oh well as usual um if you want to send in your stories or give us your opinions on old cunty frank face over there uh email us at talk shit to us at gmail.com or dm us on socials which is tsybpod um and also just give us a follow

and a like and a review that's helpful give us a little download yeah tell your friends and family about us yeah we'd appreciate it send this episode to your friend that keeps talking in yoga yeah that'd be great yeah do a service do public service yeah all right cool well on that note yeah it's good to say goodbye good goodbye goodbye it sounded like it but also i realized realized it could be me. Goodbye. Ah, yes. Auf Wiedersehen. Have a good rest of the week. And you, my dear, I'll speak to you soon. Bye.

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