Talking Simpsons - Special Free Version of Beauty And The Beast - What A Cartoon Movie!

Episode Date: January 11, 2023

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Hello everybody, happy new year and welcome to our special presentation of our What A Cartoon Movie episode all about Beauty and the Beast. And I am one of your hosts, the Grey Stuff Enjoyer, Bob Mackie, who is here with me today, as always. Henry Gilbert, and please be our guest for this special free version of our What A Cartoon Movie podcast. That's right, back in the summer, we put together, let's say, a five five hour episode about beauty and the beast you might have heard the free preview just a paltry 45 minutes of it but as a special holiday bonus you're gonna hear the whole damn thing right now that's right we are taking off the week we're taking off the week of uh the start of the year after a big big uh december but we're not leaving you hanging without a new something in place of a talking simpsons or what a cartoon podcast and so this is our full over five hour chat about the disney renaissance classic that we did last year if you

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the animated series fresh takes on eight more of our favorite episodes of that formative interpretation of the dark knight thanks so much for listening to this little intro everybody we hope you're having a great start to your 2023 now please enjoy our podcast all about beauty in the beast cartoons from present in the past every week will be an animated bash what a cartoon cartoon What a cartoon What a cartoon What a cartoon Hello everybody and welcome to What a Cartoon Movie where the great stuff has been outlawed by the FDA. I'm your host, the flying buttress engineer Bob Mackie

and this is an audio exploration of every animated movie ever who is here with me today as always. Hey, it's Henry Gilbert and as I always say, if it ain't Baroque, don't fix it. And this month's movie is Beauty and the Beast. Just hold still. That hurts! If you'd hold still, it wouldn't hurt as much. And yes, we're in the middle of our second Disney Renaissance summer on What a Cartoon Movie. And this is the movie you chose.

A movie that surprisingly has lost a lot of polls up until this point. It surprised Henry and I, but maybe it's because we're much older than all of you. You know, I think it too was that it and Little Mermaid kind of split their respective polls. And then once Little Mermaid finally won, then Beauty and the Beast was destined to win. Though really, it surprised me how close it was. little mermaid finally won then beauty and the beast was destined to win uh though really the it surprised me how close it was and i did underestimate how many people love our next month's episode rescuers down under which yeah have not seen it looking forward to covering that one but yeah that was one of the other choices the other ones were uh oliver and company and

pocahontas so this is the winner out of all of those. Yeah, and I mean, how could it not be? It's like the most prestigious and big of all of them. I mean, I guess Lion King made bigger box office and was a bigger hit. But this had the most accolades, I would say, of all of them. It caused Disney to be real Oscar chasers after losing this one. They didn't get any more Best Picture noms until they bought Pixar. That's right, yeah. We didn't get any more Best Picture noms until they bought Pixar. That's right, yeah. We'll talk more about that later. But before we begin,

what is your experience with this movie, Henry? Mine is very, very limited and brief. Oh, boy. Well, so last time on Little Mermaid, I talked about how when I was seven, I super-duper loved The Little Mermaid. And then, you know, I did see Rescuers Down Under in theaters.

We'll talk about that next month. Then the next year, I'm nine. And the trailers for this that were all like, oh, if you loved the beauty and majesty of Little Mermaid, this is even more so. It's another fairy tale. It's not set in current times like Rescuers Down Under. It's the continuation of fairy tale stuff. I think by this point, they maybe are even starting to market themselves as a Disney renaissance. So I was there day one for this as soon as i could get my mom to take us to it we saw it i loved the

soundtrack listen to it over and over cogsworth's with my favorite character i had a toy at cogsworth i feel like we are we are similar to lumiere and cogsworth we are the loop is it that right henry come on uh Really now? Yeah, no, I loved every second of it. I loved it so much that a year later in 1992, I went and saw Newsies in theaters only because if you went to the sneak preview of it, you could then see Beauty and the Beast again right after, which was the real treat of it. I don't I don't remember much at all about Newsies. Despite seeing it, I just remember once it was over,'s like all right beauty and the beast time another and it was almost like we were it was me and like uh my mom brother and i and three other people in the

audience uh waiting for it newsies not a big hit but i do want to see it eventually there are fans of it i think there's like a cult a fandom around newsies people i like really love it i i haven't given another shot. But, I mean, yeah, Robert Duvall, Christian Bale, lots of good folks in it for sure. But, yeah, then I watched it over and over again on VHS. And, you know, I didn't own the DVD or Blu-rays of it, but I always followed it. And, yeah, the songs in it are some my all-time favorites and it has some my all-time favorite like animation in a disney modern film uh especially from james baxter oh yeah yeah he's

all over this one so yeah this this is maybe my favorite disney renaissance oh okay actually yeah well my experience uh very very limited like with the little mermaid go back to that podcast listen to that i also felt anxiety about this movie because this was deemed by all the little boys around me to be a girl movie. I mean, forget about the whole Beast part. There's a beauty in this movie, and girls are gross. It's a gross girls movie. So I was afraid to even rent it. Like The Little Mermaid.

A Little Mermaid I saw at a friend's house because he had the tape. Beauty and the Beast I saw for the one and only time in school. Like after the VHS tape came out, you know, when it's like you're winding down to Christmas break. Teachers like here's a fucking movie. I don't care anymore. They wheel in the car. Yeah. Oh, the cart was wheeled in.

All right. Yeah. Okay. And yeah, that's the one time I saw this until I just rewatched it for this podcast. Wow. And that's it. And you know what? I feel that Disney could even sense the anxiety of little boys because I shared this one clip with you, Henry.

It is a commercial for the movie that makes it look like Home Alone, where it's like the castle's being invaded. Can the furniture like stave off these evil villains? No beauty or no beast in the in that commercial. Just like it's like a wacky burglar adventure. Yeah, that ad was totally aimed at the Home Alone kids crowd. That was for Saturday morning, that ad. Absolutely. I mean, that's why, you know, we said in Little Mermaid, too, that's why they included the Le Poussin song and all of the Looney Tunes action there. there and so you can cut that together for your boys commercial because you're scared that if you show them a girl in a gorgeous gown dancing with a big hairy dude in a beautiful tuxedo that looks like uh girly too girly i appreciate all the gowns and dancing and i have a wife figure that one out

you guys can dance together we can our size difference is about the same uh so yeah that's my experience very very limited but returning to it i'm like oh this is great and uh you know spoilers for future discussions uh these are like my two favorite disney directors i think oh really all right because yeah yeah i think secret mvps we'll talk about that soon yeah muskering climates they get all of the they get all the headlines because they worked on the most stuff but i think it could be the other two guys who might be the best i think it's just not as fun to say trowsdale it's just not fun anymore uh let's talk about the origins of beauty and the beast so if you want to read the original story and i did it's about 14 pages long very easy to read nice uh

please check out the penguin classics edition called beauty and the beast classic tales about animal brides and grooms from around the world because thousands of years ago people have wanted to fuck other animal people it's been a common thing throughout all of humankind these stories about uh romances between humans and animal people going back to like zeus right yeah zeus turned into a goat and fucked a lady and yeah yeah I mean we were always furries and like I think recently I discovered I'm probably 10% furry and that's okay you know the boundaries push more and more as you explore as you explore online spaces like with sexuality I think being a furry is a spectrum yeah and I'm like 10% I think if I could figure it out but yeah

it's been a common thing throughout all of humanity that we like we love these stories Beauty and the Beast is just one of like many from tons of different cultures and this book is packed full of all of them with new translations so but uh beauty and the beast the specific story this movie is based on it comes from an author called jean-marie le prince de beaumont and it was published in magazine des enfants sorry magazine des enfants, so magazine for kids? Children's collection. Oh, I see. So basically the same thing.

I got it. So that version came out in 1756. And just like Pinocchio, the purpose of this story was to encourage good behavior in children, specifically in little girls. Man, that's just like Little Mermaid. Little Mermaid's original book ending, too, is just like, and you better be good if you want this Little Mermaid to go to heaven. Yes, it's very didactic, and Disney gets rid of all that crap for the best.

Well, hey, isn't that how modern capitalism even just cuts out all of the spirituality of any old story? They're just like, no, no, we don't need that crap. Let's secularize everything. So Beaumont, the author of this 14-page story, her story is actually an abridged version of the original. A girl wrote this? Yes. Whoa.

And she ripped off another girl. Oh, wow. So her story is an abridged version of the original novel length, 1740 Beauty and the Beast by author Gabrielle Suzanne de Villeneuve, another woman writer. So her novel comes out in 1740, and then Beaumont's 14-page children's version comes out in 56, and it's no coincidence that Villeneuve dies in 1755.

Oh, wow, there you go, yes. It's finally safe to rip her off. As soon as the body is cold, they're like, all right, rip that off, that's my story now. And the Villeneueva version the novel version was written for adults and like i said she passes away and then beaumont has her own version a year later technically uh villanueva is the author of the oldest version of beauty and the beast that version of the story but beaumont is the author of the best known version and the

funny thing about this plagiarism is dis does not acknowledge Beaumont in the credits. Only in the French version of Beauty and the Beast does it say based on the original story by Beaumont. So that's why if you ask someone like, oh, who wrote, I mean, who wrote this story? Oh yeah, the Grimm Brothers. Who wrote that story? Hans Christian Andersen.

Few people could tell you who wrote Beauty and the Beast outside of people in France, probably. Wow, man, I didn't know that Disney. So because I've read in some of the extras and promotional materials for Little Mermaid. They were very clear of like, yeah, from Hans Christian Andersen's original classic. Like they're they're much more clear that I guess Hans Christian Andersen is more known in America. That I suppose Pinocchio wasn't wasn't promoted back then with the name of that author Carlo Collodi yes yeah uh yeah so uh more about Beaumont so we mentioned Hans Christian

Danverson and the Brothers Grimm they used folk tales to you know morally instruct children that was the purpose of their stories she did it first oh she was the one of the first she did before them but because she was a woman probably and for other reasons these stories really never left france and she wrote a bunch of them but that's her most notable one yeah okay wow but yeah if you want to read it it's 14 pages and i can go over the differences uh up next on this podcast so yeah like i said before the story is intended to instruct little children uh in this case little girls because the main moral lesson of the story is don't worry if your potential husband is smart or pretty you should be more concerned uh if he's a good person it's all about like don't be too picky about who you marry

and we'll go into how the story uh teaches this lesson so there are some differences in the original story and before i tell you that here's a quote that's a thesis statement from the story quote it is neither good looks nor great wit that makes a woman happy with her husband but character virtue and kindness and the beast has all of those good qualities that's a quote from bell when she realizes she loves the beast or maybe it's the narrator i forget huh interesting okay but well in the movie he's a real jerk at first this guy yeah uh this this story is mainly about bell getting over her own bullshit and loving an ugly nice guy okay see man boy that almost it sounds like something in a male incel right yes right today not a woman they never pay attention to the nice guys i mean that it feels like that but it's written

by a woman who maybe maybe she married a homely guy who knows like hey those homely guys they're really nice it's the it's that meme comic of the handsome guy who compliments the girl and then when an ugly man says the same thing she's like she calls the cops yes that's uh that's like the meme version of beauty and the beast so some differences in the story that are not in the movie beauty uh has two sisters and three brothers the three brothers are barely mentioned in the story but the story that are not in the movie beauty uh has two sisters and three brothers the three brothers are barely mentioned in the story but the two sisters are like evil stepsister types so they use that trope in this story i can see why you cut there them it's uh they're just redundant and you'll just be ripping off the cinderella's perfect evil stepsisters yeah yeah these are not

notable evil stepsisters so also uh the castle is magic but sadly the beast is the only character inside of it the the different like living appliances that's all howard ashman's invention not in the story at all okay so also there was no magic rose there is a rose in the story so what happens is similar to the movie bell's father beauty's father rather goes to the castle and you know is shown like a nice time and then he leaves on the way out in the book he picks a rose and that's the final straw right right right but in the movie the rose is uh the thing the timer basically yeah it's the ticking clock in the thing that's uh yeah you know the rose thing that was it in one of the other adaptations

i've seen of beauty and the beast the stealing stealing the rose, which, you know, might be better to put the fault on Maurice instead of having it just be like, well, the guy, he just didn't want to freeze to death. And you put him in a prison cell. Yeah. In the book, I think part of the moral lesson is like learn to be a good guest because Maurice goes to the castle to get in from the coal. But he's also like, hey, while I'm here, I'm going to have three glasses of wine and an entire chicken. And, oh, look, there's hot chocolate waiting for me. I think it's like, well, this guy overstayed his welcome, and that's why he's being punished. You know, kids need to learn that lesson, too.

Be a good house guest. Yeah. And like in the book, Belle is, you know, bookish. She's beautiful. She's selfless. She's honest. She has all the qualities that the author wants little girls to have growing up and

there's little lines in there where you know at the beginning of the story the father's a merchant but then they have to move to the countryside and now they're poor and the author's like but Belle didn't complain at all she didn't mind it at all but her evil step sisters are like this sucks of course like boy it's so fun

to see the lessons that the morals that are being taught through everything yeah this one is uh don't complain i guess so beauty is the captive of the beast seemingly in the story he is going to kill her father but she takes his place and then she starts wandering around the castle and seeing that it's really set up for her and she's like maybe he's not going to kill me. And it turns out he's not. He's much more of a mope than a violent jerk. And the fact that he's very nice outside of these other qualities is the point of the story.

Like, the beast is ugly and he's stupid because that's what the curse did to him. Ah, okay. And it's not because he did anything bad. In the book, it's just like, an evil fairy cursed me. He didn't say what he did. Oh, see see that's i mean hey in life something bad stuff happens to you for no reason but i kind of i prefer the morality in the in the movie of like no he was an asshole to somebody who wanted help so that person

then punished him for judging someone by how they look but if you also take apart the logic of the movie he was 11 yes when he did that yeah that's also yeah like who wasn't a jerk when they were 11 come on his brain wasn't done developing yeah take me to evil witch court uh so yeah the beast ends up not killing bell and every day they have dinner together and she's like repulsed by him but he's very kind and at the end of every meal he asked uh bell to marry him and she says no because, because it's like, this guy's ugly. He's really nice, but he's ugly and I don't like him. And that's the mechanics of the story. So there's no Gaston.

There's no unruly mob of townspeople. The brothers mentioned about going to the castle to kill the Beast, but they end up not doing that. And the finale is much different. So like in the movie, Beast lets Beauty go home to see her father, right? In this case, her evil sisters trick her into staying longer. And because of that, the Beast basically commits suicide in like a long form way. He starts starving himself because he's so sad.

Oh, geez. And then when Beauty returns to the castle to see him, she sees he's in this horrible state because he's so sad and that's when uh because he you know committed self-harm for so long she fell in love with him not the best relationship yeah geez but you know i turned you down to marry you but now that i see that you hurt yourself when i'm not there yeah and i guess i'll have to marry you i guess it was the 18th century but when she sees the state he's in she falls in love with him uh and they you know she agrees to marry him and that But when she sees the state he's in, she falls in love with him. And they, you know, she agrees to marry him. And that's when the curse is lifted. He becomes a beautiful prince.

And then her sisters are turned into statues who have to watch her like happiness every day until they're sorry. Jesus. Yeah. Well, that's a heavy, that's a heavy price for those stepsisters to pay. Man. Yeah. Yeah. But again, like Pinocchio, it's all about, hey about hey little kid this is the kind of person you should be and just like in pinocchio a big part

of it is you have to take care of your elderly parents so bell is taking care of uh in the movie maurice in the book just her dad because i mean even in even though this book was written i think around the same time as pinocchio i forget it's been a few months but there's still not a big social safety net for the elderly so uh yeah uh bell is uh tasked taking care of her father and she doesn't mind at all and you shouldn't either it's gonna have to be your responsibility someday so you better better enjoy it yeah yeah so he still gets transformed by true love at the end though and he becomes uh is he handsome at least i think i mean there's no description but i assume he's similarly like fish-lipped blonde guy okay yeah i yeah that guy he's too uh he's he's handsome enough but yeah i always this is a core conceit of the film on the

commentary they say uh i don't think we could have done a better job with this guy they're like they they don't like it either no i mean look he's a fabio looking dude that's all that's all he needs to be yeah so yeah that's the original story looking dude that's all that's all he needs to be yeah so yeah that's the original story uh please check it out it's very very easy to read it's probably readable online i didn't look but the penguin books edition if you want to read more sicko stories about animal husbands and uh you know brides that's where you got to go folks and you may be put on the list for that i probably already am i's classic literature that you cover for it it's classic pornography so let's talk about the history of the movie beauty and the beast so some brief facts

about the movie first released uh in a limited way on november 13 1991 i believe november 22nd 91 is the official release date worldwide or at least america wide so it made 440 million on a 25 million dollar budget wowee and weirdly it seems like this in aladdin costs much less to make than the little mermaid probably because the cap system uh helps streamline things for disney but with the lion king onwards the budgets would get massive and that probably has a lot to do with the celebrity talent they're bringing on board yeah i guess so yeah this has uh i don't know i don't think jerry orbaugh cost that much money no he wasn't even on law and order yet yeah yes he wasn't even lenny briscoe is that his name yeah that's uh yeah i guess uh angela lansbury would be the most famous person oh yeah she's a superstar

here with murder she wrote so this is the first animated movie to be nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars. The other two are Up and Toy Story 3. I mean, deserving, I'd say. I don't know about Up. Well, I guess both of those are in the post-2008-10-things-get-nominated era, right? Yes, yes. That's the only reason why they're there. And of course, we have the kind of bad Best Animated Feature category now.

But yeah, this snuck in. they're there and of course we have the kind of bad best animated feature category now but yeah this snuck in it lost to the silence of the lambs and the other nominees were jfk boys in the hood bugsy and thelma louise all good and memorable except for bugsy yeah actually who's talking about bugsy man bugsy yeah i completely forget the film bugsy but uh yeah i'm like all of those other classic mafia movies nobody talks about that I get to see Beauty and the Beast winning it and of course as a little kid I was watching that Oscars very

closely because I had finally seen a Best Picture nominee I never had before that because usually they were darker R rated movies you could have I guess you couldn't have seen Silence of the Lambs no no although I did see that on VHS when it came out and not beauty and the beast wow man i i don't think i don't think i saw science little lambs until like 96 97 after after again enough references

on the simpsons made me go like i should just watch this or i guess really the critic had the most like yeah i need to have a beans reference i need to know what honey i ate the kids uh is about so it did win two oscars so best original score by alan menken and best original song uh beauty and the beast i i don't know if it's still true but i believe alan menken is the man with at least living man with the most oscars thanks to all of his score wins on films like i would say probably living i'm guessing but yeah very talented of course and so uh we just covered the little mermaid last month hopefully that's fresh in your mind because the history of this movie transitions nicely from the history of that

movie because they are like this is the next feature i mean yes uh there's rescuers down under but that's a different story yes yeah which we'll get into next month, but definitely from the limited research I've already done on Rescuers Down Under, that felt like more of the B project to this one. Like, when it released, the story in Waking Sleeping Beauty is when it released and didn't do that great, Katzenberg just said,

well, you know, guys, hey, move on. We'll have another shot next year, and they just let it go. They weren't staking too much on it compared to this not to not to spoil things for next month is that considered an official disney feature or is it not like a goofy movie isn't it is counted on on the wiki pages for disney renaissance and i think for the numbers it does count as i believe it is the 28th uh and this is the 29th it is not a Disney Toons one it actually counts

it looks much better than DuckTales and a lot of the best animators who worked on like James Baxter for instance he worked on Rescuers and then moved right over to Beauty and the Beast so yeah it had the A team on it it wasn't just a bunch of French people or people in Orlando

this was the real team what do French people wasn't just a bunch of French people or people in Orlando. This was the real team. What do French people know? Hey, they're pretty good. So, yes, this is just the continuation of that narrative. So before we begin, one thing should be noted that when this film was released, Beauty and the Beast was very fresh in our cultural memory because there was a three-season CBS show literally called Beauty and the Beast starring Linda Hamilton and Ron Perlman. That was not like a massive mega hit, but it was like a Twin Peaks-style phenomenon that was like, what is this weird show doing on TV? I've never seen anything like this.

And it went away pretty quickly. Twin Peaks went away faster, but this one went away in three seasons and also george rr martin wrote for it oh i didn't know that he wrote like 20 of its 50 ish episodes wow man so there you have it i i only watched a couple episodes here and there like on sci-fi channel or whatever because people would always talk it up as like you know this cult classic but it never really clicked with me even though i can totally see, you know, it's two great actors. I love both of the Ron Perlman and Linda Hamilton. And to see them fall in love and Ron Perlman, as he often has to do, like act under a shitload of ugly man makeup.

Yes, yes. And I think he just he lived in the sewers or something. I think so. My mom was into this show. Yeah. Hey, well, look, every generation does love a beautiful woman with a large, beastly man. Like, we all love that kind of story, yes. And one other thing, one of my favorite movies from just a year before this movie is Edward Scissorhands.

Oh, yeah, yeah. And that's another Beauty and the Beast, except the beast comes home and stays in your house. That's true, yeah. It's very similar, except it's the beast moves in. And it's got its own Gaston and everything. Oh, wow, wow yeah and he dies kind of in the same way although yeah edward does stab him in the heart but yeah oh and uh i guess uh you know cogsworth and vincent price in it they're kind of similar yeah yeah but uh that's funny man and well did you also see the i only watched it because it was on the criterion uh thing but the but the Beauty and the Beast Jean Cocteau version?

No, I'm going to get to that, though. Okay, all right. Cool, cool. And yes, the story is still popular today. The last adaptation was 2021's Belle by Mamoru Hosoda. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. In the comments, someone said, make sure you mention this, and there, I just mentioned it.

You did, you did. You got zinged, pal. I haven't seen that Hosoda film yet, but he also did that The Boy and His Beast movie, too. The guy's into Beast stuff, for sure. He's kind of a furry, that guy. Oh, yeah. I mean, he got his big start on Digimon, which is furry adjacent as well. So, yeah.

I mean, they're still doing this now. And in the history, as far as Disney's concerned, they tried to get Beauty and the Beast off the ground in the past. Even while Walt was still alive. So attempts were made to figure it out like in the 30s and the 50s. But they couldn't really crack the story. And of course, you know, the war happened. It kind of derailed all of their feature efforts. They had to make, you know, the package movies and everything like that.

And then they just never could figure it out. And then in 1946, the Jean cocteau movie comes out and it's sort of the definitive beauty and the beast so disney's like ah they did it and if we do it it just will be compared to that yeah i i didn't uh see it until the aughts uh when i was becoming a real snooty person who's like well if it's on criterion collection i must watch it that means it's good and i say this having just bought several criterion blu-rays on the recent sale but uh headwig and the angry inch right at the top gonna watch that soon but i watched it and yeah it rules it's great like it is gorgeous cinematography

amazing like realistic special effects like uh magical realism there's there's this bit of uh probably the most magical shot in the movie is bell or the beauty going through a hallway full of like the wind blowing and it looks like she's walking but actually if you look closely she's like on a cart being pulled so she's supposed to look like she's walking but she's not actually moving her legs and uh like candelabras or arms and stuff and it's there's there's so many like magical effects in it yeah it's really it's a real like uh special effects tour de force for the 1940s i really wanted to see i didn't get around to it for this but it's on my list for sure oh yeah but yeah i don't think i've uh i have not seen any other jean

cocteau film so judge me for that but i did i did like the one he made for children but until until uh 1991 that was the definitive version of the movie sort of like with hunchback there were definitive hollywood versions of that story until disney made theirs and who knows maybe those black and white versions are more definitive still and in the movie they are drawing a lot from the cocteau version obviously it's funny with this and the little mermaid and and a lot of others it's like oh uh this ancient storybook walt disney tried to make it and he just couldn't figure it out like he never he never could get it working and it took 30 40 years for somebody else to finally put it all together i say too much canned chili you know without all that canned chili he's

i probably put him in a beastly mood spending all the time on the toilet so uh let's fast forward to 1987 and this goes back to another one of our subjects who framed roger rabbit so during the production of who framed roger rabbit the disney company decides to resurrect this beauty and the beast idea and who better to direct it than the legendary Richard Williams. Son of a bitch. Really? Wow. Yes, and guess what? You can guess this, Henry. He turns it down because he's like, guys, fuck the Beauty and the Beast. Thief and the Cobbler.

Yeah, Thief and the Cobbler. That's the next mega hit. I'm going to make it so good, guys. It's a movie about a thing and another thing, and it's going to knock your socks off. But he's like, yeah, I'm not going to do that for you guys. But he does recommend a colleague, Richard Purdom. So i want to say that richard purdom worked on mostly commercials because his imdb credits are extremely limited so i have to assume he was doing a ton of commercials with richard williams at his studio but uh his studio the richard purdom studio did

work on things like hercules and fantasia 2000 so they outsourced things to him. So originally this was going to be a UK production, this movie. Yeah, you know, from your... Purdom, I don't recall him from my Roger Rabbit research, but definitely his resume sounds like the type of guy who worked with Richard Williams a lot, meaning a co-worker who finished projects for Richard Williams and eventually quit working with Richard Williams. Yeah, he made his own studio.

So Purdom, I believe at this point it is still a UK production. He starts working under producer Don Hahn. Yeah, Don Hahn, he must have I believe it was from doing the Roger Rabbit research that after they shipped out Roger Rabbit, Don Hahn just stuck around England working on this.

And this is going to be a non-musical version of the Beauty and the Beast story. And due to Michael Eisner's insistence, this is the first Disney animated feature to start with a screenplay. With Aladdin and other movies, they would sometimes come in after the fact, especially when Aladdin was rescued by two screenwriters. But this is the first time they started with a screenplay wow yeah because uh little mermaid i recall that uh katzenberg wanted to hire screenwriters musker and clements were able to convince him to let them write the script and he just accepted the script as as worthy but yeah this sounds like a very hollywood thing of like now this is like the fifth animated feature eisner's been in charge of i can see at this point he's like no has let's start with the screenplay we're going to do this i don't

care how you cartoon boys do with your story pitch meetings and everything i want a script first we're doing this the hollywood way yeah i saw that oliver and company had uh screenwriters attached i have to assume they came in after the fact as well yeah i would think so yeah well i mean uh that also i'm sure i'll we'll learn more about it when we finally do it as a podcast but that one also had a major reset because i know that multiple people including andreas deja quit that film to move over to roger rabbit because they were pissed off that it had like a big reset that threw out a lot of their work i'm curious that one is very very katzenberg oh my god yes i mean it's shrek before shrek. Like the star-studdedness of it,

it's so Shrek-y. But just replace... Bette Midler? No, wait. Is Bette Midler in that movie? Bette Midler is, but I was thinking it's Billy Joel instead of the Smash Mouth.

Okay, there you go. Hey, the better. Better movie. Yeah, I think so. So they hire Linda Wolverton to write the screenplay and it's weird they hired her because uh or maybe it makes sense but she was mostly associated with typically bad saturday morning cartoons maybe a few good ones in there too so she wrote for

things like the popples ewoks uh the unaired garbage pail kids cartoon oh she wrote a real ghostbusters episode and also Dennis the Menace. So those were the things she worked on before working for Beauty and the Beast. And that was really where her career went in a more prestige direction, let's say. That's interesting that transition to prestige because, yeah,

I know with all that Roger Rabbit 2 research I did, Katzenberg was really into getting people who had already done like real adult work as in not working on stuff for kids and then bringing them on to this kid's production like the main writer of roger rabbit 2 that i talked about he he had worked on barney miller and other of nighttime sitcoms and was getting into animation instead uh it almost seems completely the opposite of how Disney usually goes,

of uplifting a Saturday morning writer with such a big offer as this one. Yeah, I don't know the circumstances behind her hiring, but it is surprising. But you know what? She continued her relationship with Disney. She did story development on Aladdin and Mulan. She co-wrote The Lion King.

She wrote Homeward Bound, The Incredible Journey. And she is also the writer of one of the most garbage but profitable movies of all time, 2010's Alice in Wonderland. Holy shit. That was her pitch and her screenplay. Holy cow, man. She's got to be so rich from that one. And she's also behind the Maleficent movies, and she's attached to the third film that's

upcoming as of this recording. God damn it. Yeah, that's been the fucking... You know, Alice in Wonderland might be one of the most destructive films ever in film history of like all of the shit that followed it man it made uh sam raimi do a bad movie too yeah made him do a terrible oz movie it made all of the incredibly popular and empty live action remakes uh that we've seen yeah so she also adapted this movie into a broadway version and won her a tony so oh yeah man she's close to an egot then i'd say

yeah getting there uh let's see like uh maybe one of her garbage pill kids could win a uh a posthumous emmy not not be not past her death but past the death of the show oh i i gotta see what that cartoon is i don't think we'll ever sink that low yeah i don't know we did laverne and shirley in the army yeah i'd say garbage pail kids is more popular than surely in the army it's gotta be more quality let's talk about a garbage pail adult jeffrey katzenberg yeah uh so this version is coming into being uh the perdom and wolverton version and uh he sees the initial story reels for it in 1989 and he scraps everything. He's like

this sucks. Do it again. Start from scratch. I want a better idea. So this causes Perdom to resign. He's out. Dang man. I mean I remember seeing some of those story reels in Waking Sleep and Beauty and it could just be what they chose to show

but it did look kind of boring and a little flat yeah which i guess too if you're going to insist on no musicals then you're already inviting a lifelessness to your kids film you know yeah i i don't know how it would have turned out but i don't think it would have turned out better than this no no so who does katzenberg turn to but musker and clements oh uh is 1989 so either Little Mermaid was about to wrap or it just wrapped and rightfully so they were like we're very tired. We don't want to direct

another movie right now and yes they don't until Aladdin. So yeah they're taking a little bit of time to regroup and get their stamina back and this is where Kirk Wise and Gary Trousdale come in. I didn't do a bio on them for Hunchback because I was saving it for this oh boy uh so we don't we don't know at this point where

they came from until now unless you already looked it up yourself so uh I like I said I think they're the secret MVPs of the Disney Renaissance because they direct uh this movie which is like the best picture nom and also Hunchback which should have been a best picture nom and is my favorite movie of the Disney Renaissance that pushed things so far. And I'm so sad they pulled it back. Go back to our podcast from last year. I love that movie so much. But yeah, this is where they enter the picture.

Definitely of those two films, like they have the most mature sensibility of them. Not that their movies don't also have stuff for the kids of silly action and all that. But I think they deal in more in both beauty and the beast and hunchback they deal with more french and very mature of settings yeah and it's like they have a similar trajectory to uh to musker and clements because they make these big hits uh musker and clements make treasure planet they make atlantis oh man they like they each have their own early aughts a mega bomb uh they were both cursed with the early aughts mega bomb just as uh you know blame shrek and and toy story for

making uh 2d die you know that's the sad bit that's the sad news of it and i really want to revisit those like uh treasure planets a home on the range atlantis i want to see what's going on there yeah you know i bet what we find is some very great character animation even if it's like kind of disappointing as far as a full story goes so astoundingly this is their very first feature and apparently Katzenberg was very impressed by their animation work on an Epcot ride called Cranium Command what have you ever been on Cranium Command no okay I don't think so. It's an 89 attraction. It closed in 2007.

This basically is a ride that teaches you about the brain. No, I don't think I rode that. Definitely, I went to Epcot during that era of it, and I feel like I would have ridden it if I could. I went on a class field trip to Epcot in 96 I think it was and in that time I was most excited by that they had this Sega area where you can play like unreleased games or soon to release games

that's educational and Body Wars was freaking closed so I couldn't even ride that this is a lesser Body Wars but you can go online and watch a ride through what they did was the pre-ride movie in which this drill sergeant is yelling facts about the brain at you. And that is their work. So a funny story behind this.

Rob Minkoff was supposed to direct that segment, but he had to drop out to direct Rollercoaster Rabbit. It's all connected. Wow. It's all connected. And apparently this pre-show thing was the final animation to be produced on cells by walt disney feature animation the final thing they ever did on cells before caps yeah so cool after little mermaid apparently apparently at this time trousdale and wise were developing a project known as goofy of the apes which i assume was one of many attempts to give goofy a tv show

that eventually led to goof troop Troop. Go back to our Goof Troop project you can see that Goof Troop is like the end result of like eight different pitches for Goofy. Wow I didn't I had never heard of Goofy of the Apes that's crazy. I don't know if it would have been good but that's what they were developing and they're like get off the Apes project

you're on Cranium Command and then apparently that impressed Izer so much that it's like you guys can direct Beauty and the Beast. Wow. So they were fairly young when starting this project. Trousdale was in his late 20s and Wise was in his mid 20s. And it seems like they both entered Walt Disney feature animation around the same time. Trousdale started with The Black Cauldron and Wise started with The Great Mouse Detective.

And it seems like Katzenberg was willing to give these guys a chance because there was a screenwriter laying out the groundwork for them so it's like you guys know how to animate there's already going to be a story laid out for you this is going to be fine guys in their mid-20s like one one in their mid-20s the other in their late 20s getting that kind of opportunity now from Disney on their biggest projects like that that does not sound like something they would do no I feel like you don't even get a TV show until you're in your 30s yeah yeah pretty much maybe maybe late 20s but yeah unless you're a guy who worked on Saturday Night Live then they do give you your own movie that is true yeah but yeah

this might not surprise you Trousdale and Wise went to CalArts. Of course. They met in 81. They started working together in the story department of Oliver and Company, and then were assigned to work on the story department of The Rescuers Down Under. Man, if you were in CalArts a little before we were born, you probably directed most things. You worked on at least one major Disney project. I wonder if the CalArts guys have the Disney pipeline still. Is it still going on like that yeah i don't know you know the last time we hear about cal arts was like six years ago complaining about how all the nickelodeon disney shows look like a certain cal art style right right but yeah i don't know if uh that the top dudes and gals creating animation

now i don't know if it's uh as much of the cal arts thing especially because that cal arts thing also the negative uh assumptions about it too is thrown at people who like adventure time was created by pendleton ward and not a cal arts graduate right you've got uh rebecca sugar andy and joe's courtier pals both of whom learned uh and graduated from art schools on the east coast they were not cal arts people cal arts is just used as uh you know an overall term of a net to mean a negative those towards those rotten bean mouths yes i hate them i'm just kidding but yeah but the old cal arts thing just meant uh you were pretty much already going to be interning at disney once yeah yeah there was a real pipeline so yeah they meet in 81 they first

start working together on oliver and company and they were um pulled off the rescuers down under to work on again roger rabbit stuff wow so yes uh trialsdale and wise working on rescuers down under they're like we need roger rabbit shorts ideas and these two guys fully storyboarded an unmade short called rubber sorry it was just called baby buggy blunder whoa and in this short roger loses control of baby herman's carriage in a busy city this short was fully storyboarded by them holy cow yeah i never yeah i'm embarrassed that didn't come up in all my roger shorts search this just came out of like a random interview with them uh just like there is like so much

roger app material has been lost man you know it definitely sounded like uh that you would finish your entire storyboard and then it would either be approved or not approved by spielberg so maybe it didn't get final approval from spielberg uh but there was also that you know the thinking was maybe spielberg got so mad about the arachnophobia dick tracy thing that he might have just withheld approval on any new shorts out of like punishment yeah jeffrey katzenberg that's what it sounds like but yeah they they wasted time on that so yeah roger rabbit it's all over this this this history here yeah so yeah back to the production of the movie we did our our trowsdale and wise history let's talk about the production of the movie so things get very

sad here unfortunately because howard ashman was about the production of the movie. So things get very sad here, unfortunately, because Howard Ashman was at the end of his battle with the AIDS virus. Yes. And he is pulled off of his pet project, Aladdin, to work on this ailing film. Because go back to our Aladdin podcast, I'm sure we talked about it.

That was his baby. He was obsessed with Aladdin. He is removed from that project because Beauty and the Beast needs help, and only he can save it. Right, and they're going to take something that was not a musical and turn it into a musical. So this is a huge ask on his part.

And, yes, the Howard Doc on the Disney Plus documentary shows, like he's dying, like he's not doing good. He's sick and getting sicker and it's uh you know i feel looking back on it to you know what seems like a small ask or not too small but like hey come on just work on beauty and the beast as well you're asking someone to give up the last year of their life yeah but it turns out to be i'm sure they weren't thinking that when they did it but you're asking him to give up the last year of his entire life on this thing and he would eventually die on march uh 14th 91 uh so well before the movie came out he was able to see

an unfinished version of it thankfully before he passed but yeah he did not live to see the release of the movie and it's it's interesting that uh i mean i'm glad that they have a dedication to him at the end of this movie i'm not sure if it was made public that's what happened to him but in november of 91 this release is and also we get the magic johnson hiv announcement so aids is very in the news in the mainstream not just uh not just something that happens to gay people it's like quote unquote normal people can get it. So that's what the Magic Johnson thing taught a lot of ignorant people. Boy, you know, yeah, the timing of that.

You know, Ashman dying in March, certainly it was, and also the film Philadelphia is coming soon as well. But in all those cases, like, it is that AIDS finally found good victims or, like, honestly, to market it to, people should have cared about AIDS for a long time since it began. But obviously through the 80s, they did not because it didn't. It seemed to only be affecting gay men and who deserved it for the wages of their sin. But by 1991, it was starting to get more mainstream. And it's interesting to see, you know, the crossroads that Disney was at because when Ashman dies, they let people know.

It was public knowledge that he died of AIDS, but they didn't advertise it. But if you watch, it's featured in the doc, so that's why it's at the front of my mind. When Ashman wins the posthumous Oscar for Beauty and the Beast it is his partner like basically husband but legally wasn't his husband his husband accepts the award and everybody at that show has on their AIDS ribbon and he's like I was I was Howard's partner for x amount of years and I'm so happy but this also you know sad he's the first person ever to win an Oscar who died of AIDS like I did not watch the Howard doc because I didn't want to be sad

make you too sad I eventually want to watch it because you and I just recently saw a little shop of horrors in in in a theater yeah not the movie but a performance of it I saw it twice and and I'm just thinking constantly about that musical when I'm watching Beauty and the Beast because I see a lot of things in common that aren't in The Little Mermaid because Howard Ashman has given a lot of control over this movie because he's dying.

Yes. They let him basically do whatever he wants. And that includes moving the production pre-production to I believe the city is called Fishkill, New York. Yes. Yeah. So at a certain point, he's able to work out of like a residence in there but eventually he has to work out of his bedroom because he can't leave his bed so yeah they're being extremely accommodating like Mencken is there uh Trousdale Wise and Wolverton are all

there and they're all reworking the story into the one we know today so that's all done there the reason why this movie is full of Broadway stars is because they're casting in New York. That's why there are no real celebrities in this movie. That's for the better, I think. Yeah, like the reason that Jerry Orbach is in the movie is because he was a New York actor. That's why he's in Law and Order. He's the greatest. I love him in this.

Yeah, no, the Howard doc, first off, that home they were were working on this is another of the tragic things from it that like his partner was an architect so he was like i'm gonna build us our dream home this is where we're gonna live together like he finishes the home right as howard's dying i don't believe his partner uh is hiv positive or at least he seems fine i heard that that yeah he is not yeah but uh but on top of that yeah in the doc as well they mentioned that a lot of the cartoon boys uh in burbank or glendale weren't aware of his they were you know obviously they're not gonna out him as as hiv positive to everybody uh but as far as the animators thought at first they're like oh the mr fancy pants after he wins his oscar now he wants

us all to fly to new york and and make the movie at his place he can't come to us whoop-dee-doo and he's not just you know helping them craft the story he's also mentoring uh trousdale and wise this is all new to them he's teaching them here's how you direct people like they didn't know how to do this they're they're busy working on cranium command oh yeah i guess you're not really directing actors that much in that way yeah so like he had to teach them how to do that and apparently uh wolverton's first version of the story uh only focused on the two titular characters because if you read the original story there's really not many like much more outside of the two so uh ashman adds things like the enchanted castle friends they draw upon the cocteau version by

adding the villain with gaston and uh yeah they just really figure things out uh in this pre-production stuff and like i said before ashman was too sick to leave his bed so they basically set up a way for him like pre skype to direct uh actors from his home that's amazing yeah that he could i guess you know disney's got all that money they could figure it out but in the pre like you have to actually set up satellites for that kind of thing yeah it was complicated in like 1990 or whenever they were doing this but yeah like making points out on the commentary the commentary for this film is great it's making it's trials dale it's wise and it's don hon and they're telling all kinds of really funny stories and um it's on the dvd so check that out i used all that for a lot of my research but that's awesome

on the commentary makings like yeah this was uh a line reading that howard changed from his bed like whispering into a microphone holy cow man yeah you you can hear him uh late late recording in his life just to see how sickly he was at the time i this was something too in the book in the movie the howard doc that some of his co-workers on the film read into it but his sister actually said like nah i don't think so which is that the ticking clock on the beast and the fact that he's locked in a castle like people who worked with him like oh that sounds kind of like his situation while making the film but the beast countdown to die and his affliction uh his sister didn't seem to think that that was pulled from his HIV positive status.

It's a pretty broad idea, but I could see even like subconsciously working that in, you know, if you're living through that. And, you know, his sickness might have influenced the writing of certain songs or at least the performance. Because when Angela Lansbury was brought in to sing Beauty and the Beast, she had received Alan Menken's demo and he was singing like this very powerful ballad style version. And she's like, I can't do this. This is not how I sing. And Menken was like, oh, shit, she got the wrong demo. So they gave her Howard's demo and Howard recording his demo very sick is doing the kind of talk singing of Beauty and the Beast. So I think just being sick and having to record the song,

that is why Beauty and the Beast sounds the way it does. Oh, that's amazing, man. I love her in addition to Beauty and the Beast. Again, the original song Oscars that year, three of the five nominees were from Beauty and the Beast. Yeah. And she did that in one take. In one?

Wow. She's a pro, everybody. I mean, yeah, she's a knock on wood, living legend, Angela Lanz. Broadway, TV. She's all over the place. She's done it all. So, yeah, because of all this pre-production nonsense in terms of like initially getting the movie off the ground and then having to scrap it, this movie had a very rushed schedule.

So normally at this time they were given a three or four year production cycle to make the movie this time they had two wow and from first time feature directors like yes that's incredible that this ended up any good at all let alone as good as it is they were really struggling against adversity and on the commentary they're very jokey like yes this shot doesn't make sense this story doesn't make sense here we're real we realize we made mistakes we had no time to look back at our own work we were just trying to get as much footage as we can out and make it look good so that's why the 2017 version which i guess we could talk about briefly it stinks because it's like well the movie has all these errors we need to fix and address yeah and i mean you don't need me to tell you this watch

lindsey ellis's video on the movie it's perfect thanks I hate it I believe yes yeah it is perfect I watched like half an hour I couldn't stand anymore but there are so many things that are added to the movie that are unnecessary and like trying to be progressive but feel just very forced and you know insincere like in the movie

it's a big deal like Belle is teaching children how to read? That's illegal. When Beauty and the Beast is a story written by a woman for little girls of that time period. For little girls to read. Women were literate. Women were writing. Yeah, it sounded like they took the little bit in here of Gaston being old-fashioned. Gaston LeFou, I guess, being old-fashioned.

But a girl reading? What? That's dumb. Yeah. And just had it be, oh, most people agree with Gaston and thinks it's dumb for a girl to read. Well, and also, I based this also just on that Lindsay Ellis video because I didn't watch the full live-action film, but it also sounded like they wanted to answer questions like is every uh disembodied uh yeah thing in there is every plate a person is every fork a person like relax yeah let's call that everybody it's uh it's ugly uh emma watson a beautiful woman very miscast in that role no i yeah i don't want to be mean to i think emma watson is a lovely young woman who's also i've seen her and stuff i think she does a very good job acting like she's in i just saw that uh not just three years ago the little woman a little women movie she she's very good in that but i don't think she's a great singer

for the clips of her songs i'm like she she looks uncomfortable yeah yeah it's uh yeah it's too it's too bad i i guess i don't know who else you'd cast in that to be a a mousy young uh would-be princess like and also the bookishness i suppose fits with their character she's most famous for playing hermione green right right but they they also just announced a new another adaptation but it's going to be like the little mermaid thing where it's like you watch the movie but when there's a song there's like a concert version of it yeah yeah boy i watched that little i hope it's better than the little mermaid one the little the little mermaid one is kind of fun but it also is just like boy some people are trying harder than others yeah it just feels kind of flat i don't know

john stamos is having a good time yeah and i think queen latifah was too but she actually like she flubs a couple lines which honestly makes me like it more because i like oh they actually didn't retake this line they just kept her having the flub it was all one take so uh there's a really rushed production cycle for this movie because of that uh 10 minutes are outsourced to their newer florida division ah yeah and that includes the be our guest segment segment. That's animated in Florida. Man, that has the Florida feel to it, just like I Can't Wait to Be King in 94's The Lion King. It's like the fun party song with lots of colors is animated in Florida. Oh, man. I guess Chris Sanders brought all the colors to that or was a big part of that in Lion King.

I wonder if he was involved in Be Our Guest. He's a big part of this movie. We'll talk more about that soon. So the less notable Rescuers Down Under is actually the first all-digital Disney feature film. And this one takes advantage of that with a few shots that were astounding at the time

and hold up incredibly well today. So they knew they had the power of computers. And Disney, of course, had been using computers to figure out certain things before this. We talked about it with previous movies. But, you know, technology was advancing and Trousdale and Wise were like, what can we do with this technology? So they at first thought, like,

let's make the whole forest around the Beast's Castle CGI, like a CGI backdrop. How can we do that? And they explained on the commentary that after three months, the team had rendered basically one tree that looked like a chicken foot. And they were like,

we can't do anything organic with this technology yet because it was like the late 80s very early 90s wow but well i guess they they did discover like a plate or a glass can look pretty good in in 3d and just bounce around yeah basically yeah like the simpler the better and what can also look good in 3d is a is a room which is like the infamous uh shot which so roger allers brenda chapman brenda chapman a genius oh yeah her name is like associated with everything and she was taken off for brave not not fair no yeah i feel like uh man that's another one we're gonna have to do someday but poor poor brenda chapman she's yeah she's like

a key story a high level story person at the very least on most of the disney stuff we talk about she's a genius and she deserved better but yeah roger allers and brenda chapman were like they pitch this idea to the directors like what if we just do like one shot and here's how we can figure it out and trialsdale and wise were very receptive like hey yeah let's let's figure this out and yes that is uh even though james baxter was just assigned to bell he is doing both of those characters dancing because they they say on the commentary he was born with like an extra part of his brain that lets him like figure out how to rotate characters perfectly it's insane yeah he's like got like a perspective camera in his brain or something that figures all this out

but that just him doing all of that footage that's i mean yeah it is amazing it's uh incredible that shot like that was the shot that it gives me goosebumps every time i see it like see that's probably why i wanted to see newsies again in the theater just to see that dance sequence like there's just something so beautiful and magical about it like that we've uh and we'll talk about it in depth when we get to it in the movie but yeah it's like so good it's that again i'll bring them up again rebecca sugar our pal you know she grew up loving these films too and especially the james baxter dance sequence and james baxter as she became a professional self herself she became a colleague of his and worked with him on stuff and she did a favor for him uh because i believe it was his one of his kids was a big steven universe

fan and he says hey i owe you a favor and she called in that favor for the finale episode of regular steven universe right right where there is a uh if you haven't seen it yet i won't spoil it but there is a dance sequence staged somewhat similar to this. But it's meant to be like, this is our James Baxter dance sequence. And it's just as important as it was in Beauty and the Beast. I have seen it and it's totally James Baxter. And he was chosen for this because they were like, you worked on Roger Rabbit. You were moving these characters as if a camera was moving around them.

Like, you know perspective, you know how this works. But they weren't sure if they could render the shot in time. It was still very early. And they weren't sure how well the CGI would look. So they had a plan for this. Their plan was if the computer stuff is not finished or doesn't work, we will turn off that layer and have Beauty and the Beast dancing in a void with a spotlight on them. So it would be just like they call it an ice capade shot.

You know, that would have worked. That would have worked. It wouldn't be half as memorable, but it would have worked for sure. spotlight on them so it'd be just like they call it an ice capades shot so that's you know that would have worked yeah that would work it wouldn't be half as memorable uh but it would have worked for sure definitely yeah but that yeah it's interesting to see like as the the power of cgi grew disney was very careful how to use it it's like one little shot here one little touch there until they're actually making you know cg movies yeah. I mean, they could tell how lifeless some things looked and how haunted they were. It was smart of Disney and other people like that to recognize the limitations of CGI

because once it got more sprawled out and everybody could do it, people were just doing such lifeless, crappy CGI. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should they recognize the the power of character animation and until the computers got advanced enough they couldn't replace 2d with that animation and until the best animators actually learned how to move characters in cgi also i have not seen chicken little uh that's the first one uh i did see meet the robinsons didn't like it at all people have a soft spot for that one but i mean we'll cover the early

era of these cgi it's a bit weird it's a bit it's a bit up and down i think by wrecking ralph they definitely figured it out and frozen has good and character animation in it yeah it took about like four or five years i haven't seen haven't seen bolts either oh yes right yeah it's too depressing to know that like the hollywood dog turned into that right that's true so uh yeah there's lots of stuff to talk about in regards to the animation but we can talk about that more as we you know highlight those scenes in our movie discussion but i learned a ton from the commentary and my research but i just wanted to highlight the cgi uh scene there and i love that we talked about it on talking critic that like uh two years later rough draft had to do that on a tv budget yes with with beauty and king dork

uh which is one of my favorite songs too but yeah the yeah that they even uh you know 15 years later on harvey birdman they did a parody of it too but even with cgi you know being more available they still couldn't really equal it in in the parody but yes it is one of the most iconic shots in in disney film history i'd say just the dance between the beauty and the absolutely yeah like uh i can't think of more iconic shots yeah i mean we even did a whole uh gargoyles about that too where they dressed as beauty and the beast as well it's true uh and i shared with you a cell from an episode of aladdin where yes the genie turns into the beast and he changes iago into beauty in the same dress and outfit an affordable cell actually

let's talk about uh content that was added or changed to this movie so it's funny because uh i just covered et with you in diamond fight on retronauts henry and there's a similar phenomenon going on it's also happening in 2002 where these guys like spielberg are like thinking oh yeah star wars special editions we can just go back and mess with our old movie as much as we want to right and in this case i feel like it's the most successful version of it although this is not the version on Disney+. The version on Disney+, the version most of you out there are watching,

is the 1991 release. That's the version we'll be covering for this podcast. But in 2002, five new minutes were added to the movie for an IMAX release that will later be included in physical releases. So this is basically like Beauty and the Beast DLC. Right, right.

Yeah, these extended versions, I mean, yeah, I guess we just have to blame the 1997 huge, huge hit that was the Star Wars Special Edition. Like, after that came out, for a time, movie theaters, or movie makers realized, like, if we just re-release, like,

a shinier version of this, people will go see the same movie for just the small investment of updating it. And then later they would just turn them into 3D movies. Yes. They didn't add anything. And then after that, and then not enough people watched those 3D movies,

and then they just stopped doing that. And now apparently Disney is not so into sharing its films in theatrically, like for re-releases or for re-showings in small theaters that stinks because they own most movies they now own most films yeah it's too bad every time we realize like whenever we talk about a fox film on us talking simpsons about like yeah and they could use it cheap because it's fox then we have to tell ourselves like oh i guess i guess they own the i guess disney owns the natural now or i guess they own aliens now. They own everything we love.

But let's talk about Human Again. So Human Again planned for the original version of the movie. It was an 11-minute segment. They had a lot of story problems. They didn't know where to put the song, and it was eventually replaced by something there. So this 11-minute segment that was fully storyboarded was replaced by a much smaller song. And Human Again would be used by the 1994 Broadway version, and that's when they realized like oh this is where you put it and also uh they got rid of the time passing element because their issue was that uh where

it was in the movie it implied that maurice was wandering for like months or perhaps years oh yes because like seasons are passing and things are happening but this is after Maurice leaves to go find Belle again like wandering through the forest right right yeah I guess you're right that time passage doesn't work as well in that moment but I mean something there is a better song yeah I've pulled up a human again on YouTube and yeah it's it's fine it's a it's a good little song and it's always nice to hear more songs from Ashman and Mencken but it's I'd say if it were in the film proper normally it would be seen as like the weakest song in the film it's put I mean I do enjoy this segment it's animated very well like a lot of people return to a work on this all the original voice

actors are there there's no Jeff Bennett replacing Rowan Atkinson like in Morning Report yeah piss me off man i think you're too good mr bean uh yeah it's like it's the original team most of them back together to work on this and where it's put in the movie though is a bit odd because uh something there ends the appliances close the door on beauty and the beast after they get together and then human again starts and it's like we got to clean up the castle and then when the wardrobe jumps off the balcony into the fountain to cause a big splash that splash wipes to beast getting a bath okay so it fits in rather well but it's weird having these two songs like back to back and also because of

this they didn't just add this song to the movie they also they also had to alter shots because in human again they clean the castle. So yeah, exactly. In other shots of the movie after this point, they have to clean up the castle more digitally. So they have to change backgrounds and stuff, but eventually they realize this is too much work. Let's just say that after bell leaves again,

he trashes the castle again. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah. See the cleaning. That's funny that they had to change it in some shots because yeah, I thought with all the cleaning going on, I was like, oh, that's why during the big dance sequence it is a spotless reflective floor because the castle does not look anywhere close to that clean when she first comes there.

So now like their ballroom is amazing. Yes, I guess it does explain the clean floor, but then it doesn't really explain the rest of the clean castle. So they have to. That's what I don't like. It's like you can add this footage but don't change existing footage yeah yeah just like if it's a continuity error well that's because you added a sequence to a film like a decade afterwards yeah and i mean it looks good it's a good song i just don't think it it doesn't feel right to me and but it still is the best version of this like the star wars special editions are bad uh the et

changes are bad i'm sure there's probably a few other examples i can't think of and this this is the best version of that yeah i'm glad that it's not the one that if you press play on it on disney plus that that plays it is uh the 91 version it's it's a real shame though that human again is not even an extra on disney plus yeah that is actually that is odd the same the the morning report i had to look up both of those on youtube why why aren't they just an extra on on disney like i said i think it's dlc yeah you have to buy the physical version i have to get the platinum edition or the diamond edition of it yeah yeah that is human again it's okay check it out on youtube and or if you have the dvd you might be forced to watch it but it's not in the original uh version and because of that like the the platinum cut or whatever the

2002 cut is like an hour 30 and like the original cuts like an hour 24 or something like that it's a nice and tidy hour 24 yeah i also like that it's a very there isn't anything i would add to it including human again so let's talk about the cast of beauty and the beast uh it's a it's basically a lot of people who are who are nobodies to most moviegoing americans but that's what makes it special damn it because they're popular on broadway including uh page o'hara as bell so disney was considering using jody benson again oh just doubling her up yeah but they were, you sound too much like a little girl. This is a more mature woman. Let's find somebody else.

And this is where, out of 500 hopefuls, Paige O'Hara gets the job. But actually, Jodie does voice Belle in a few House of Mouse appearances. Oh, okay. I mean, yeah, it's... Well, it's funny you say that, like, yeah, they didn't like Jodie sounding too much like a little girl.

I mean, definitely some bits of Belle in this seem like a response to criticisms of ariel and the little mermaid how that she is a girl who like isn't very smart or at the very least believes whatever is told to her by people like she's uh bell is the complete opposite like Like she is so book read, so knowledgeable and grounded. It doesn't just, oh, when a handsome guy shows up, she says, yeah, but I can tell he's a jerk. Like, screw this guy. This is some 90s feminism. I like to see it.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, Paige O'Hara, she's great in the role. I love her as Belle. And she thinks she got the job because she was in the 1983 revival of showboat uh that was her broadway debut and she was in that with the voice actor for gaston who we'll talk about uh very soon so she thinks like oh ashman loved that revival and i think

that's why he cast me in it i could see that yeah and uh this is her first non-broadway role period and she would continue to voice the character in every appearance up until 2011 when unfortunately she aged out of the role. Her voice had changed too much. Oh, that's sad. Yeah. That's too bad. Although she does make a return as Belle in Ralph Breaks the Internet

in that annoying scene that people love. Hey, if you want to know why Ralph Breaks the Internet made so much money, it's because of the Disney Princess team-up. Yeah. Who cares about this Ralph guy in video games? I mean, honestly, the movie barely cares about that. Yeah. Belle is now voiced by Julie Nathanson, and her lead animators are James Baxter and Mark Henn.

So we'll go over all the lead animators for all these guys. And Robbie Benson is the beast, another person who you might not know. And they even say that on the commentary, like Robbie Benson is not a household name. He was a teen idol in the 70s. He auditioned to be Luke Skywalker. That was his era of being young and hot. name he was he was a teen idol in the 70s he auditioned to be luke skywalker that that was his era of being young and hot so he's done a ton of work since the late 60s when he started as a

child star just like tons of tv appearances he directed tv throughout the the 90s and early aughts even he was getting into that and uh he continues to voice the beast in every appearance because he's still uh on that level he's still humble he's not like get some sound to like no he's beast in kingdom hearts you know i was just thinking of this recently with uh our pals on gayest episode ever did an elvira uh episode of their podcast and they talked about how she was up for the role of ginger in the harlem globetrotters right the third gilgan's island movie and she she uh by not getting it you know i wonder how much it haunts these actors who almost get some iconic role but in elvira's case it's like no she got to be elvira that's way better than being the third ginger you know and same with this guy like

hey you know would he rather have been luke skywalker for the entirety of the rest of his life or would he rather be the anonymous beast i'd rather be the beast let's pressure that way so other beast hopefuls included uh val kilmer mandy patinkin who of course uh had a very bad uh audition as quasimodo go back to our podcast and also lawrence fishburne they they like auditioned like a hundred different actors for this role wow Wow, man. I think if I could pick one of those guys, I would bet Mandy Patinkin would have been more expensive than Robbie Benson. But Mandy Patinkin is the greatest.

I love him. He's so great. But yeah, I can see. Also, the Lawrence Fishburne thing that was another thing I mentioned to you before. This is like the whitest thing that Howard Ashman's ever done. Oh boy, yeah. It's Lily White. Yeah, he usually like either in the cast and or the music,

Howard Ashman is very much into black or African-American cultures especially. And this film does not engage with that. This is a Lily White film full of very classical, meaning white style. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Little Shop of Horrors,

the entire movie is led by a trio of black singers from the old Motown girl groups of the 60s. And then we have Little Mermaid. Sebastian is a black performer doing Under the Sea and Kiss the Girl. Oh, it's Caribbean style stuff. Aladdin, Genie, originally designed to be a black character. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, obviously, they've considered the implications of that and changed it but still uh friend like me is a very like song of the the jazz age you know not not like a song

a white performer would do robin williams is doing it but it's not designed for him yeah after uh seeing that little shop of ours live thing it's like oh friend like me is the good version of feed me like yeah yeah that's true it's the nice guy version actually that that uh so that was a great adaptation of the play that was a great performance of the play they actually got in a little bit of hot water because they were doing a multi-racial casting which is great right but they were not casting uh black actors for the group of girls and they got in trouble for that because it was like no this is designed to be performed by black female singers and you cannot deviate from that you're taking rules away that's true yeah you're taking

roles i feel like them if i would want to keep the races boy that sounds like let's separate the races no what are you saying here no but i definitely wouldn't recast racial the race for uh the the three chorus basically and on top of that i feel like mr mushnik does need to be an old jewish guy yeah yeah yeah and then on top of that like uh the the dentist should be an evil white guy like i think he should be a pretty boy i think seymour uh he was fil, I think. I think so. Yeah. In our Berkeley Rep production. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But he was still doing a great Rick Moranis-y, nebbish voice. I did like that. Pinoy people can be nerds, too. It's true. They can have New York accents. So, yeah. How much, Mr. Mushnick? It's great, everybody.

Maybe we'll cover it in the future. No, very little, Mr. Mushnick. Yeah. That's the line. He's great. So, yeah, the beast designed by chris sanders he designed the beast they took forever to figure it out and the last thing they wanted to do was put an animal head on a human body that is a limitation of a live action version

but they're like that's boring everyone has done that so he is an amalgamation of like all these different kinds of animals it's amazing and and throughout the movie he starts like moving and walking more like a human he's like he's more beastly in the movie, he starts moving and walking more like a human. He's more beastly in the beginning in terms of his behavior and body language, but he becomes more human even in his beast form as Belle kind of tames him. Yeah, he's a bachelor who's lived alone for too long, and then a girl comes over to his place. He's like, oh, okay.

I told you, stay out of the man cave uh but god all of it's like when he is moving like uh you know a caged uh panther or something just walking back and forth on all fours looking at her and then that to see his hands those same hands try to pick up a spoon like such such great animation on him and like every part of him is hairy and weird and but you know what uh he drives the ladies wild he does people i mean like the male uh heterosexual furries had gadget i think the female heterosexual furries had the beast yeah no i i think the beast is way hot i think he's really and i don't want him to go away i was like the joke is to change back, change back. But, but seriously, I, I, the way he's animated, like Sanders and he, and the rest of the folks working on him.

Yeah, Glenn Keane is the lead on him. Oh, and Keane, yeah. They're just, uh, the way he like talks and moves, like this is what animation is for. You invent a face that can't actually talk, like, and just figuring out how that jaw or nose would move or how, like like how do you do a wild take with a character like that what happens if his eyes bulge or he like screams like get out what does it look like he's a very complex uh design and they do a great job moving him around let's talk about uh cogsworth uh david ogden stires as cogsworth they originally wanted john

cleese uh John Cleese said no, I'm doing a better animated movie one coming out the same day, An American Tale, Five Will Goes West. Oh right, right. So he plays Ket R. Wall in that movie. It comes out the same day as Beauty and the Beast. I didn't know it was the same day, man. It was the first day in history

that two animated films came out on the same day. Man, this was the day, you know I was going to say it was them clowning on Bluth, it's not a bluth one it was the first one after the the bluth spielberg breakup that's right yeah where amblemation's like we can make this without bluth but uh yeah that one i did see in theaters though but in like uh a babysitter took us to a like dollar matinee of it that sounds about right yeah and i think there was even like a five goes west tv series as well yeah i i also the biggest thing i remember from five goes west is that it starts with them singing somewhere out there and then somebody like the audience throws tomatoes at him because they're like we're sick of that song boo uh maybe one day i'll check it

out uh i think the first american tale uh has got to be way better than that oh it is it is very much so uh but yeah i made a mistake in the last podcast by thinking that kenneth mars voiced the hunchbacks archdeacon it's actually david ogden styers oh he's he's all over disney stuff around this time so he's mostly known for his role as a major charles winchester on mash but he would go on to be in more Disney stuff. He's the villain in Pocahontas. He's Ratcliffe. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's him.

Oh, that's cool. If you need a pompous British guy, he's your man. He's great at it, yeah. And, yeah, he passed away in 2018. He was 75. And according to IMDb, he last portrayed Cogsworth in Kingdom Hearts 2. Wow.

Yeah. He kept out of that long. You know, I loved Cogsworth. Kingdom Hearts 2. Wow. Yeah. He kept out of that long. You know, I loved Cogsworth. Something about his design, I mean, I also was the finicky type around the house. Like, I could identify with his very by-the-numbers personality, just like, everybody, we have to do this now.

Like, no, no, no, you're going to get us in trouble. Yeah, and these are all fun designs. We're not going to rag on the 2017 movie too much too much but boy they really whiffed on those designs because it's like everything has to be realistic no just like you can't even see the face on these things most of the time yeah they look honestly they look like the michael bay transformers that just look like shit no i mean lumiere is the one i think it's at the worst out of all the redesigns in the live action version we can't just put cartoon eyes on a candelabra. Why not?

Why not? God, you guys. Who fucking cares? Yeah, really. But yeah, supervising animator for him is Will Finn. He would be supervising animator for Iago in Aladdin. And he is a co-director on Home of the Reigns. So he eventually graduated to being a director of a feature.

That's cool. I mean, there's also tons of great scale work with with guys like cogsworth like they uh they are like you know shin high on uh on humans they have to be picked up and moved around but they still work great in the size differential on screen too and i think i like this movie more than little mermaid because i like the bickering between lumiere and cogsworth like all the animal friends seem to get along in um inermaid. Like, Sebastian hates the seagull guy, Scuttle, but they don't really ever talk about it. No, they barely confront him. They're like, oh, would you shut up? Like, they say that to each other once, maybe.

But no, like, Lumiere and Cogsworth, they're great, especially because they are, you know, it's perfect European comedy. You have the stuffy, upper-crust British guy and the libertine frenchman and uh how oh the englishman and the frenchman they don't get along it's it's clever classic farce everyone and of course jerry orbach is lumiere i think i learned this like as a teenager like what the law and order guy is the candle man so obviously we know him as detective lenny briscoe almost 300 episodes of law and order he played that character. And that character would debut in the series almost a year after Beauty and the Beast release. So yeah, he wasn't Lenny Briscoe yet.

Actually, I think his first appearance on Law & Order he was a different character. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's the funny thing that is most iconic character to most people is Briscoe from Law & Order, which is like him being a very old stuffy cop like that's his character who would not be caught dead singing and dancing but his actual background was broadway and singing and dancing like that's uh though i guess also his third most iconic role is the father of baby in dirty dancing yeah that's right he also doesn't approve of dancing that's right he doesn't like it very much but yes so until the 80s most of his work was on the new york stage which is why he's in this movie he won a tony award in 69 for best

actor in a musical for his role in promises promises and yes he's been dead for almost 20 years uh he was playing lumiere as late as the early aughts and house of mouse and uh jeff bennett seems to be his permanent replacement for now. Yeah, Jeff Bennett takes up all these roles for either the dead or too busy. He's versatile. But, you know, Jerry Orbach lives on literally because he donated his eyes after he died. Oh, yes. So two people who are seemingly still alive have his corneas because before he died, he had perfect 2020 vision as an old man man i'm jealous i've

never had it that's no he's he's so great like look he's law and order cop again absolutely it is yes most plots in law and order are isn't it hard for the cops to arrest the bad guys but darn it if he isn't great and he isn't the most lovable cop you ever saw as lenny prisco it's got that dong dong sound effect it lets you know justice has been done jerry orbach with all his wonderful one-liners over a corpse like guess this guest checked out early he's got a good french accent he does so uh lead animator for him is nick ranieri and apparently he and uh will finn had a very similar relationship to uh cogsworth and lumiere yeah yeah, that Raniere guy, he's another of the Roger Rabbit. See, Roger Rabbit really was a hiring bonanza for Disney animation.

I think I'll give it to Richard Williams that he hired a lot of great animators who then didn't want to work with Richard Williams on Thief and the Cobbler and went either they didn't like working with him or Disney offered him so much money that they're like, well, I'm not going to do the passion project of Thief and the Cobbler and went either they didn't like working with him or Disney offered him so much money that they're like, well, I'm not going to do the passion project of Thief and the Cobbler then. I'm going to go to Disney and make way more money. And Nick Ranieri also was lead on Jafar, Miko the Raccoon and Pocahontas,

Hades and Cusco. So a lot of fun characters. Angela Lansbury is Mrs. Potts. They wanted Julie Andrews. and i believe she said no yeah but also she would lose her ability to sing soon after this too but uh yeah i i could see how that was written for julie andrews but honestly they're both great i don't want to say one's better than the other they're both the greatest she was in like musicals too like bed knobs and broomsticks right angela lansbury wins verybury yeah not as big as uh sound of

music or mary poppins or anything though she did originate uh the role in sweeney todd of uh the the love interest in sweeney todd mrs todd yeah no i don't know i've never seen it oh god damn it mrs forget it's fine anyway she's great she's great in sweeney todd i i know i i know that much so by 91 she was a movie star for like 45 years she was also currently on murder she wrote a very popular TV show so everyone knew who she was and she was also the first anti-mame in the musical mame and she returned to Broadway after

murder she wrote and was performing as late as 2019 Wow man that's amazing and that she was so to be vital for that long whenever I'd see her in stuff for Disney, I would into the aughts. I was like, what? She's still around. Amazing. I think she has given up on performing live because she's like, at this stage of my life,

I want to spend time with my family, which, you know, to be fair, if you're 96, you're like, I don't want to spend time working. Yeah. Why would you do? Yes. Yeah. I mean, that's why future live action Lumiere, Ian McKellen, was like, why would I want to do more? He was reticent to sign up to do Gandalf again.

They had to give him a whole bunch of money because it really was like, I'm quite old. I don't know if I want to spend my last years putting on the Gandalf costume again. But it's not a live performance. But in 2022, she is currently the narrator of the UK version of the Beauty and the Beast musical. So her voice is the narrator of that uk version of the beauty and the beast musical so that's her voice is the narrator of that that's cool and uh yeah she only returned for the first beauty and the beast sequel and another actress ann rogers replaced her after that i can you know i can see animating mrs potts is kind of a challenge because she you know has no arms they just

moved that much they just say she's a bouncing head and that's that's the problem and the supervising animator for her is david uh prukesma prukesma i think and i think he specialized in roly-poly characters because he supervised her uh the sultan pumba and hugo wow and he was also supervising animator for chip okay then yeah he's very uh i i guess he they handed him both of the like here's the characters with no arms this is yeah yeah yeah he's very uh i i guess he they handed him both of the like here's the characters with no arms this is yeah yeah yeah he's good at like bouncing around a thing that like shouldn't move except for maybe the sultan uh yeah though i mean the sultan barely moves too he mostly just bounces there he gets he gets flung around by uh carpets and such but he doesn't walk

around all that much that's true he's not very mobile uh richard white is gaston uh yes since gaston dies he doesn't really have a voice a reason to voice him after this but he he does voice gaston in house of mouse okay like a lot of these guys just come back for house of mouse that's the only appearance you see of them that's funny we covered house of mouse like three or four years ago i'm gonna go right yeah for the uh the sunscreen song hey there was more than that there was an okay an okay mickey shorts yeah it was like something with daisy or whatever yeah no yeah gaston i love gaston he is so great he is so funny he is given like one of the funniest villain songs there ever was it's the best song and he is such like a full of himself asshole like he's so good that he's basically to me, he's like Prince Eric in Little Mermaid just turned up just a little bit because he's a very traditional Disney prince.

But now it's the 90s and he's everybody's like, no, you're a sexist. You're not. Yeah. These are not a good prince anymore. These masculine traits are toxic now. This may not surprise you. He's a Broadway star. Of course.

He's an opera singer. Oh, wow. And 90 percent of his credits on IMDb are Gaston. Oh, he doesn't care about TV or movies. now uh this may not surprise you he's a broadway star of course he's an opera singer oh wow and 90 of his credits on imdb are gaston oh he doesn't care about tv or movies he just does stage work and that's it and i you know that opera thing especially like he does have so much like depth to his voice like yes that's also what i love about his gaston when he sings his songs uh my voice is a little rough today so i can't sing as well as usual. But I like these like, gonna do it right now. Like he has a kind of, what do I want to say, bravado or whatever of just how people sang in a 40s musical.

Yeah. They don't sing like that. You could tell he is an opera singer. Like he is singing these songs operatically with like a deep baritone. Maybe that could be even deeper than that. Who knows? But his supervising animator and designer is andreas deja by the way it's deja fuck they they say on the commentary hard j okay i've been messing it up so many times like like deja vu deja okay yeah sorry sorry andreas deja nobody corrected us so it's technically it's a place to blame on you the listener uh but yeah he, he's one of my favorites animators, Deja,

and that he usually drew the villain and stuff, but always a lot of hunky guys he draws, for sure. He did Triton in last episode's Little Mermaid. Yep, and also the Hercules in Hercules, yeah. He came from Roger Rabbit as well. Yeah, he's so good. And also, I do remember that he looked to how Milt Kahl drew brawn bones, animated brawn bones in Ichabod. Yeah, yeah.

That he wanted, he's like, oh, this is how Milt Kahl, one of my all-time favorites, animated the burly jerk. So I'm going to bring a lot of that to guest on. He really reminds me of that character and i i had to assume it was a direct reference to that that bully jerk who bullied the awful nerd you're supposed to sort of like braun bones yeah you're supposed to at least be happy he gets married that's the difference between the 50s and the 90s i guess you're supposed to be rooting for braun bones to scare the shit out of this nerd to leave town so he can marry the hot girl he was the hero and of course uh jesse cortee as lefou by the way all these names are very very literal lefou is

the fool lumiere is light bell is beauty it's very simple folks and yes another broadway guy he was in les miserables at the time on broadway oh boy uh so tons of character acting tons of voice roles uh nothing very notable he gets a lot of work and uh supervising animated for him is emily giuliani uh she actually jumped ship from don bluth to work on oliver and company so she was she was working with him uh back in like banjo the woodpile cat era holy cow man most people didn't head back to disney after that i'm surprised that that she did but i i love lafue he's he's so much fun in how he's animated like there's something he's just this i mean i guess i also just love the combo of

the hot guy and his roly-poly pal like uh it that turned into an actual couple in okko oh yeah like venomous and box more pretty much gaston and lefou except they're literally lovers instead of just his sidekick and when it comes to humor in the movie they say on the commentary our theory was when in doubt hit lafou because it's always funny every time yeah and yeah uh emily giuliani would come back to work on like every disney 2d feature she'd come back to work on princess and the frog after they stopped making them for a while and no that yeah the uh yeah lefou also uh he was the first of the the the constant headlines uh starting with the 2017 beauty the beast of like lefou the first gay character in a disney movie and it was he dances with a man at the end of the movie that's it yeah yeah for like four four second shot they can cut

out when they you know show in other countries that also doesn't mean anything like or it could it means something or it doesn't mean something however you feel about that yeah here are some brief bios there's a lot of characters in this movie uh so joanne worley is the wardrobe joanne worley uh what what is that from uh that's uh from laughing oh yes i didn't know that they said it like that in laughing well that's how she like joanne, Joanne Worley is here. But yeah, she was a Laugh-In star. So if you're alive in 1989, you probably knew that. And she was also in a Broadway show in 89.

Oh, Jesus. That's why she was cast. Of course. And yes, Tony Jay plays Monsieur Dark. Man, that was, I think you said it in the Hunchback one, but like, they just wrote this tiny role in Tony Jay when he comes in for just like the two scenes he's in you're like oh this is the scariest dude in the world no wonder they made him yeah the villain of hunchback this is where it starts uh for disney and tony j and when he came in he was like do you want my regular voice

or my masterpiece theater voice they're like masterpiece theater please and he did such a good job at his audition they're like let's record you here and use that and cut you a check we're like we're not gonna have you come in to read like 20 seconds worth of dialogue you you win you pass the test man that shot of him like playing with the coin and then grasping in his fist like i love it it's oh so good tony j uh no one better he would just be in everything in the 90s yep always great always one type of voice, didn't need other types of voices. Inimitable, I say.

Rex Everhart as Maurice. Yes, another Broadway guy. Can you believe it? A character actor. So, yes, he was also doing a Broadway show at the time. He was in a revival of Anything Goes in 89. And, yes, he did a ton of Broadway throughout his life. Then he started doing, like, TV and movie 89. And yes, he did a ton of Broadway throughout his life. Then he started doing like TV and movie roles.

Notably, in the first Friday the 13th, he is the kindly truck driver that drops the lead of the movie off at Camp Crystal Lake in the beginning. Oh, wow. That's cool, man. That's him. See, boy, the tragic illness of Howard Ashman was a real gift to these Broadway actors who would not have been cast. All the, all these future ones will be a lot of Hollywood folks so that all of these Broadway people get their chance just so they can be near Howard Ashman while

he's sick. Oh yeah. And one thing is they also recorded together, which they never did. They really did it before that and they didn't do it after, but because it was like Ashman's insistence, like, no,

this is a, this is like a real production. Let get everyone together and they're like you can hear the energy of people performing off of each other in the songs and in the performances of the you know the non-musical sections as well yeah and in the howard doc they have lengthy footage from uh him recording be our guest with uh orbach and uh lansbury as well and they're both there and he's talking through the the style of like i was singing like this thing like that giving them direction and which is you know they're also very respectful of the even though they're the elder statesmen of broadway they're like they they're very receptive to his direction too and in a few years matthew broderick will be like can

i record my role over the phone oh god yeah nobody well i mean now everything is recorded over the phone anyway so who cares can i skype you my uh frozen three role my the mics we have here are probably as good as people use to record like an episode of the simpsons now i bet people are using their ear pods now for that and also one last person uh bradley pierce's chip and they actually added more chip to the movie because they're like this kid is hilarious okay let's do more with chip and he would leverage the star power to play tails in the saturday morning version of sonic the hedgehog whoa yeah that's him i didn't know that that's chip i like that and yeah one of the one of their call out is uh kimmy robertson who is lucy on twin peaks she's sam Stanky. She's the feather duster. Oh, okay. Yeah.

The highly sexual feather duster. I guess, you know, they both have lips and can make out, but otherwise, I guess they're just rubbing up against each other. There's some groping going on behind a curtain in this movie. Yes, yeah, that's true, yeah. And as always, let's hear what two dead guys think of this movie. I've seen Beauty and the Beast twice with my children. I'm going to be back for more very soon.

It's a winner. I was amazed how much I enjoyed this movie. I had heard reports that it played at the New York Film Festival to a standing ovation, and I questioned those reports. I said, I can't see the New York Film Festival standing up and applauding anything. Then I saw this movie, and I heard it interrupted by applause again. It's amazing. My favorite musical number is the Gaston number where they talk about

how great he is and how he decorates with antlers and so forth. It is a very funny film and the energy level that's possible in animation is so much higher than you can possibly get human actors to move around that it almost makes animation seem like the ideal medium for the film musical.

Yes, exactly. Yes. You figured it out. Ebert Ebert finally got it. You could, you could tell he is the animation fan of the two, but yeah,

Cisco and Ebert, they were like buzzing over this movie. They were so into it. One of the commercials I looked up for this movie, it was like a must see Cisco and Ebert. Then like three more quotes from Cisco and Ebert. It's just like Cisco and Ebert demand you take your family to this movie it was like a must see Siskel and Ebert then like three more quotes from Siskel and Ebert it's just like Siskel and Ebert demand you take your family to this movie do not upset these two men they're they're effusive praise I mean that also is there

that's your roadmap into Oscar uh Oscar campaigning and getting Oscar nominations yes I see this is a serious film this is isn't just for kids because Ebert, Siskel and Ebert say it's that great. Yeah. Do not be ashamed. But yeah, I was like, I knew they liked it, but it was so fun to go back and see how excited they were because, you know, they had seen The Little Mermaid, but this is really the movie that lit their brains on fire. Like, yes. And yeah, Ebert's right. That's why the live action version doesn't work for any of these movies, for for the Lion King presumably for Dumbo as well

like the freedom of animation lets you do so much more that you're so constrained by with uh live action 2017 version just everything is so stiff people look ashamed to be there it's not good yeah I think that you know when you see both of us have taken in a lot of live theater recently and I was thinking of what you know the the disconnect is of us have taken in a lot of live theater recently and i was thinking of what you know the the disconnect is when you've adapted into a live action musical and the difference is like when you're on the stage it's demanding your imagination of like yeah this character opened the door now they're in the alley we can't actually change the set to be in an alley but that's where you are or now you're in a diner or whatever and that imagination i think connects better to something animated than if you instead are like well no now we're

just going to film this dance sequence in a restaurant or now we're in the alley or whatever like it's i don't know it's uh once you take out the imagination of it and it's just like the flat reality and it's like now they're here and they're singing this it doesn't feel the same that's why i am still resentful of shrek because shrek is like don't you hate singing in songs and again like i said on that podcast make a better movie yeah you know why don't you make a better movie and then there were no songs for a long time yeah because they all joked about it yeah everybody was too cool for songs and then frozen finally really brings back songs and they're like oh this

made a trillion dollars because people wanted to hear some fucking music again yes exactly but yeah that was a fairly long history of Beauty and the Beast we welcome you to be our guest for part two as we come back and talk about the movie in its entirety ¶¶ Siskel and Ebert have called Disney's Beauty and the Beast an instant classic with songs worthy of a Broadway musical. I want adventure in the great white somewhere.

It's a flat-out winner and a legitimate candidate for Oscar consideration as Best Picture of the Year. Take your family to see why Siskel and Ebert give two enthusiastic thumbs up, way up, for Disney's Beauty and the Beast. Starts Friday, December 20th at a theater near you. so we're back to talk about beauty and the beast in detail and uh yeah before doing this podcast i had seen the movie once on vhs in a fifth grade classroom wow maybe fourth who knows i can't really remember but uh yeah I really enjoy this movie

and I'm thinking about it. I have not seen Mulan yet. I have not seen Rescuers Down Under yet, but I think this is my number two of the 90s. Wow, after Hunchback. After Hunchback, yes.

Wow, Hunchback number one. Yeah, re-watching it, I think this is my number one. I think Hunchback, I'd put Hunchback or Lion King as my number two, but this is still my number one because I love every song i'd put hunchback or lion king is my number two but this this is still my number one because i like i love every song i can't think of a song as like the bad song

or not as good there's there's no bit that really like drags and there's no character like say flounder and little mermaid there's no character in this that makes me go like i don't need this guy yeah there's no superfluous characters yeah chip way better than flounder i agree yeah but yeah this is just so gorgeous too and like the even on disney plus with like the 4k transfer and everything looks just like beautiful every second i'm looking at it and yeah there it has some of the most like exquisite animation like the disney feature team at the time ever did like even even though they'd have more money and resources later on i think they get more in their way with like you know bullshit or just like the the planning or the want of prestige like this was

right before they got too big you know yeah i i feel like you can still see some shortcuts in the movie, but they're done very artfully. Like, we'll talk about the beginning of the movie. It's like two minutes without animation, really. Sure, sure, sure. It's like, here's some nice pictures we drew. Let's zoom in on them. But boy, are they nice, though. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, yeah, that's the shortcut. It's like, well, we don't have a lot of money and time, so let's trade nice pictures for amount of pictures well and i think to the caps you know seeing the difference between this and little mermaid watching it very closely you really do see it yeah the caps tech is is a big difference and i will compare it to little mermaid the storytelling is way better there's it's not a saggy back half and like watching it very clinically from my note uh watch through i was still getting moved by the movie even though i had seen it twice once with uh just watching it casually once with commentary and a third time to do notes i was still like oh this is still moving me so you know congrats yeah the and the central romance is between two really interesting characters as opposed to like

ariel who's pretty interesting and eric who's like nothing like who's just a handsome nobody basically like the nice version of gaston in this yes he's he's the non-evil twin version of gaston the good twin yeah the good danish guest on but yeah this i love every second of this it probably does help that it takes me back to like being a kid and seeing it in the theaters like this was the first i think this was the first disney movie i was like really hyped for properly like i knew what disney films were the ads got to me the right way i was like oh this is like more little mermaid oh man i can't wait for it like more music more fanciness more more fun and yeah i just i i still love this movie so much yeah i

just i never thought about it for uh 30 years and you know it's i still love this movie so much yeah i just i never thought about it for uh 30 years and you know it's not even parodied that much because to parody the movie you need to parody the one scene and that's a lot of work oh yeah only the critic was willing to do it uh harvey birdman did do it in uh in a very expensive scene uh that probably like killed the show but uh and of course uh see my vest uh yes from simpsons those are the only real parodies i can think of yeah whenever i think of this movie see my vest gets stuck in my head and you know what i actually think see my vest is a better song than be our guest but it can't exist without be our guest yes yeah but man yeah it it looks great and i wish i i want to pull

up the blu-ray now and see all the extras myself too, yeah. So let's get started here. So we open with a very traditional Once Upon a Time, but this is the go-go 90s. We're not going to open by staring at a real book on the screen. Yeah, no wrinkly old storybook. We're going to look at a bunch of fun stained glass windows. Oh, man, is it gorgeous.

Yeah, it starts with a Once Upon a Time, zoom in through, like, they're just so showing off. They're like, this is a multi-plane type of thing you can only do with caps. It's like Bambi, except so much bigger and so much more heavily detailed. Actually, it's so much like Bambi, they actually just stole the animation for the deer and the birds from Bambi. Oh, really? Yeah. Much later in the movie, they just steal the dance between Princess Aurora and the prince from Bambi oh really yeah much later in the movie they just steal the dance between uh Princess Aurora and the prince oh that one I caught in the very end yeah I caught that one they're like you know what it'll take

more time to figure out like a deer let's just we have a deer in the vault let's pull them out we have deers at home we need to show it and it's an homage so it's not stealing yeah like all of the all of the different later layers sliding away would take a lot of work with the multi-plane process we talked about that on pinocchio check that podcast out if you haven't heard it but now i mean it's still a lot of work but it's just like basically photoshop layers sliding around if you've got the computer with the horsepower to move around the hd layers then you can do it yeah i mean their digital animation stuff was so advanced for 1991. It took animated shows until like the mid-aughts to look on par with hand animation in terms of like digital coloring. I don't know how they cracked it so early, but only they had the cap system.

You got to credit it to, I think, Frank Wells. I think he was the one, if I recall correctly from Disney, it was Wells who pushed the hardest for caps as this investment that would save them a ton of money and future proof that it would because i think you know eisner was looking at it more as or other executives were seeing it as like well this is a lot of money for something we don't see instant rewards from but it also digitizing their films that early future proof them like it probably saved them a ton of money in the long run that's right if you have a beauty and the beast cell you just got ripped off buddy or it was a siri sale made to hand out to executives that yeah they're they're not actually i think like the disney store and those places would just uh kind of manufacture fake cells like it's the anniversary image or

whatever and it's not it's not a real cell from anything it's just like they just made a cell to sell yeah i you know i've seen those reproductions of like, I would really like a reasonably priced Evangelion sell to put on my wall. They are so much money for any Evangelion sell. I found one that I was like, oh, that's only a couple hundred bucks, but that's because it was a rare reproduction that they only made like a hundred of these reproductions and they're selling those and even those go for hundreds of dollars,

but so not actually used in the production of the show, but sold it to the Gainax fan club back in like 97 or something. There was one I really, really wanted, but it got, it got out of my hands for, it was just too, too much.

But I thought it'd be a funny one to just have on my wall because you know how much I love, I love the song calm, soothsayer Todd and that scene come sweet death. It was, that's your favorite song. be a funny one to just have on my wall because you know how much i love the song calm sucer todd and that scene come sweet death it was that's your favorite song yes it was the um it was one of the shots of the mass production units stabbing themselves in the chest with inorgasmic pleasure and i was like well that would kind of look kind of fun on the wall that's a good conversation piece for the bathroom but that has nothing to do with beauty and the beast sorry yeah they're showing all the layers they can slide around i mean we

haven't done rescuers out under i assume they're they're doing stuff in that movie too but it feels like this is them really experimenting with this is this digital technology yeah you know the the naturalistic art for the backgrounds look so good like i think if we're judging just by density maybe hunchbacks big pulling through paris has like more layers to it and more detail but definitely yeah it's like a real pinocchio style move they're doing there but but all of the like flowers and the trees and the stream and everything it's so great and it gets like you know natural natural natural and then you're up to the big castle right there and that's when we get the story of the beast his origin story but he's not a superhero no in fact it's a curse because there's

this uh basically the spoiled selfish unkind prince uh he turns away this beggar woman who offered him a rose in return for shelter from the cold and after turning this old woman away she tells the prince you know don't be deceived by appearances because beauty is found within. And to teach you this, I'm going to curse the living shit out of you. Yeah, he's, you know, yeah, I guess if we're looking at this too closely, then for the time to have passed, he had to be like, what, 10? Like 10 years have passed in between the movie or this time in the movie. It said like, like by his 21st birthday he has to fall in love so

you have to pretend this makes sense because it really doesn't. They shouldn't punish a child this much. You have to assume that he was an adult making these decisions. Let's say he was 16 when it happened and he's about to turn 21 so it's only been five years. Obviously the curse on the castle is what made it look

old and dusty so much more than the years that it was left alone and it turned all like the angel statuary into gargoyles and things like that i think it would be funny if at the end of this movie once he's human again he's like all right and now let's find that enchantress and get even yeah it should be like the mr potter ending yeah that snl sketch just beat the living hell out of her what gives you the right they should be more afraid of. Potter ending from that SNL sketch. Just beat the living hell out of her. What gives you the right? They should be more afraid of this enchantress than the beast, you know? Yeah, yeah.

In this world. Yeah, Mrs. Potts and all of them, they should be saying, like, I'm a bitch enchantress, man. Look. I lost 10 years of my life. I was a fork. Yeah, I was a fork. You made me a doily for 17 years. But I think the 2017 movie addresses that like time plot hole but you know in annoying detail yeah who cares you're not supposed to

think about it it's also it's a magic spell you know like come on maybe maybe it slows down time i don't know but yeah uh basically that's what happens to him we see all of this told through very exquisite uh stained glass work she does this to the beast. She transforms everyone in the castle and the castle itself. But he gets a consolation prize in the form of a magic mirror, which lets him see the outside world. That's also from the original story. Okay, which is great. I mean, I couldn't not put onto this today an equivalence because him with that mirror, he is a sad, lonely man who has only the internet to look at all the time in the form of the mirror. And that shows him the world he's missing out on.

They've got to log on to the mirror again. So yeah, the stakes are basically he's got to love someone else, earn their love in return, earn her love. This is a very heteronormative movie. I know. It's like he could just fall in love with like, oh, Hayley Mir, I love you. Well, I love you too. Hey, we're free. Hooray.

It was that easy. No, it's got to be heteronormative. So he's got to do all this before the last pedal falls, and it's got to happen before his 21st birthday. So I assume the movie ends on his 21st birthday. Yeah, yeah. Some birthday, getting stabbed in the back, and everybody wants to tear apart your castle. Tough break for him. This isn't a very happy birthday for the Beast.

For old Beast. I stumbled over that one. You know what? The Beast is pretty lucky. When I think about that this is set in the 1700s, he's pretty lucky for some royalty in France, if you know what I'm saying. Oh, that's true.

Have the guillotines been wheeled out yet? You know, it'd be funny if he comes out of it, and then 10 years later, the Bastille falls down. They're coming for the heads of Belle and Beast. Or maybe they thought they guillotined him, but when he walks out in human form, it's like, hey, we thought we killed that guy. Oh, man, I guess we ought to get back in there. Better kill his wife, too. That's in Beauty and the Beast 4.

It was unproduced. They're telling all his servants, like, no, you don't live to serve. You live for yourself. Yeah, these guys have been brainwashed uh but yes uh those are the stakes that's the origin story the narrator who is david ogden stires says you know he fell into despair he lost all hope for who could ever learn to love a beast oh love that i just love that like yes who could ever learn to love a beast this was where it hit me too that I think Kirk and Truesdale, they really are into misfit guys who find themselves unlovable and are then pulled out of that by the love of friends and beautiful people. Yes, but Quasimodo doesn't get to date Esmeralda. I know.

I was thinking like, oh, man, fucking Phoebus is the good Gaston who gets the girl and Quasimodo just has to go like oh I am real happy for you guys I guess I can hold this little girl's hand it's like if Beast at the end of the movie had to go to the Gaston's wedding to Belle he's just clapping and crying in the front row and man every shot of the Beast until you see him like I it was taking me back to to before the movie came out i swear they didn't really show you the beast in ads like after it came out i i think they at least i remember seeing it in theaters thinking what does he look like because he's lit so dimly you can't really see him if you if you know the contours of the beast and you pause

it you can see me but yeah but if it's your first time seeing it you can't really make out what this beast is like it what is he a werewolf man and what what kind of monster is this guy well the original story doesn't give any physical description they just say he's very very ugly just so you don't know what's going on with him but yeah again uh this movie very rushed production cycle two years instead of three or four which is why they find shortcuts where they can and that's why this movie opens with basically three minutes with very little animation we see you know the push into the castle with the birds and the in the deer one shot of the beast slashing the portrait of his former self and that's basically it just like still images but nobody ever complained about it no way it's it's when you use the storytelling devices so well nobody

notices it's cheap. But one thing that does look cheap is this 90s CD-ROM adventure game ass logo. I love that logo. I love it. You're alone in this, Henry. They didn't use it on any marketing, posters, releases, merchandise. No, I know. The logo instead is just sterling gold letters of them, which I get it. It's a better logo. But I like the beauty is written in fancy, curly, rosy kind of stuff,

and then the beast is written in mean, harsh textures. It looks like typography you'd see in a strip mall, like on a sign in a strip mall. That's maybe why I love it. It's so 90s strip mall. But, yeah, it's not i've just it's not very elegant because it's like you get a black screen with the logo it's just like it feels it feels perfunctory i feel like they probably wanted to do more but they got they

had their microsoft word out ready to go they weren't all on the same page with marketing when they made that logo i guess that also speaks to like the speed at which they were pumping this movie out they're like oh i guess i guess that's the logo that the team that comes up with the posters they'll make their own logo yeah but hey maybe for some new anniversary they can really re-release this with the old logo they already like you said they tinkered around with it too much as it was yeah that's true don't touch it anymore so yes we start off with a song we start off with bell which is an operetta style song that's different from all of the isolated performances in The Little Mermaid. Yeah, it's different from the rest of them, those songs.

Yes. And it's very much like Little Shop because that play contains so much music, it's almost like an opera. And you can see in the movie version of Little Shop where Frank Oz says, you know, this song that tells a part of the story, that can just be dialogue. So, you know, Ashman and a part of the story that can just be dialogue so uh you know Ashman and Mencken are thinking the opposite way like what dialogue and you know plot stuff can we turn into songs he was turning them back into dialogue and this one is just like let's just start

off with a song and she's like walking through it's all about the setting and it's like highlighting a few characters just like Little Shop yes yeah there's I I think it was in the Howard doc where Ashman and Menken talked about how they were uh almost a little concerned of like oh is this too much like a typical real musical opening that disney isn't used to of just like you know not just in little shop but there's so many musicals that are like here's the first song you were in this city it's this place and here are people they're like yeah like for Hairspray I was just watching that recently and the the musical version of it and good morning Baltimore very similar kind

of song to to it I I think honestly Hairspray seems to be written by uh Ashman fans it feel has has a real feel of an Ashman I've heard good things about it oh it's great like I I feel like Little Mermaid the songs were isolated performances for almost i think the entire movie because like even part of your world is like well she's alone yes yeah and she's like kind of you know talking through her emotions to herself but uh i'm listening to the latest uh blank check series that's the podcast by the way about movies and they're doing bob fossey and his limited filmography and uh griffin Griffin or David on that podcast pointed out like some people they just can't get over people breaking into song in like

their everyday life and that's exactly how this movie starts yeah yeah like they can't get over that that like uh you know that that hurdle and that's why uh Ashman didn't know if this would work it's like if people just see this character walking down the street singing, are they going to be like, well, this is stupid? And a lot of people do think that. They can't get over it. Like, why are they singing? This is stupid.

I'm glad they threw out that fear. I mean, I love it. That shows you the type of person I am. The second I see it, like, oh, boy, they're all singing. Well, that also, one of the first musicals I ever really got into as a young kid, because my mom played the soundtrack all the time, was Lesables and in that everything is sung it is a full song uh musical so this this song here i've seen some people joke about like oh bell what a what a stuck-up girl she's saying like oh this town full of little people like but you know what this town is very quick to form a lynch mob to

murder yeah some guy so i think she's right to be dismissive of these small-minded people they're all talking shit about her this actually reminds me of because i just saw the sound of music a few months ago reminds me of the song maria uh because it's all about people kind of making fun of this main character like how do you solve a problem like maria like how do we tame this wild spirit and but in this one they're doing the same thing but bell gets to push back and say well you know what this town sucks and so do you i also like in the sound of music how uh spoilers when she marries the much older employer she works for she's walking down the aisle and they're singing maria so they're totally owning her at her own wedding that's funny yeah how do you hold a moon

beam in your hand figure it out everyone that's you know that's funny yeah how do you hold a moonbeam in your hand figure it out everyone that's you know that's a good point i think i i look at bell a little bit and i think she is kind of a combination of she definitely has a lot of julie andrews maria in her and i think uh down to her dress she has a lot of judy garland's dorothy yeah it's like sometimes when she says lines she goes like oh but what you what are you talking about Mr. Scarecrow like she she has the kind of like delivery that Judy Garland had in Wizard of Oz especially that blue dress I can see that and then like well we'll talk about Belle soon but Belle is put on pause for about 15 minutes and

then there's a uh by the way I figured it out it's called a reprise because that's what Alan Menken says there's a there's a reprise of bell like 20 minutes into the movie and you're like what bell is still happening and they literally just do the sound of music shot where she's like spinning around on like a hill oh yeah yeah it's it's wonderful but man yeah this song is great i love every drawing of the silly town, all of the wacky, first drafty looking characters. They are looking a lot better than the background folks in Little Mermaid, though. They're upping their game a bit. And as soon as Belle comes out, it's a very Snow White move where she's greeted by birds.

Yeah, that shows you right off the bat. She's a classic Disney princess, birds lover. Yes, bird approved. One person in this movie does not like birds. Oh, man, yeah. You know, I have the sound effect ready for that when we talk about it. Oh, okay, okay. Let's hear a bit of the opening of Belle here.

Little town, it's a quiet village Every day like the one before Little town Full of little people Waking up to say Bonjour! Bonjour! Bonjour!

Bonjour! There goes the baker with his tray Like always The same old bread and rolls to sell Every morning just the same old bread and rolls to sell. Every morning just the same, since the morning that we came to this poor provincial town. Good morning, Belle. Morning, monsieur.

Where are you off to? The bookshop. I just finished the most wonderful story about a beanstalk and an ogre and a... That's nice. Marie! The baguettes! Hurry up! Look, there she goes, the girl is strange no question so yeah bell lasts for much longer than a song in the previous movie because it's an operetta there's singing parts and like little scenes that happen in between them, and then the song is put on pause, and then there's a reprise of it much later. So yeah, they're experimenting with,

I would say, a much more complex musical idea in this movie. Although if you see musicals, it's really not, but if you've only seen The Little Mermaid with just its isolated performances, you're like, wow, they're doing a bunch of different things with this song. It's laid out perfectly like a stage musical too like you this could just be her

uh really she'd have to like walk from one end of the stage to the other because you can't make that huge of a town on a stage but yeah it would work that way she like she walks by people and they pop out like oh like uh yeah i i love the staging of it so much. The guy, for some reason, the guy who says, the baguettes, like, that is stuck in my head for forever. Yeah. His little hand motion on it. And, yeah, I also really identify with Belle that she is a nerd who loves her stories. When she's trying to tell somebody about, oh, did you know, probably as a kid I loved it because I wanted to tell everybody I knew about, like, no, but did you know in this new issue of Spider-Man, Spider-Man does this? And, you know, adults didn't care.

They cared about their baguettes. They really did. They're always counting their baguettes. But yeah, like I was also thinking and I'm not saying this is it's worse because of this, but Little Mermaid, if somebody is singing a song, it's their song. Nobody else intrudes. But in this one, it's like Belle, the townspeople, individual townspeople, Gaston. Everybody is taking part in this song. Yeah, it's a much richer musical world, too.

I think that shows their full commitment to a musical, which is even funnier to know that it wasn't a musical at one point until Ashman and Mencken were pulled off of Aladdin to make it one. That this is so much more committed to being a musical than Little Mermaid was where the songs were, you know, though each song does follow the Ashman rule of starting one place and in another place. Like the plot development in this one really is just Gaston is going to ask Belle to marry him like that. That I suppose is the big moment for it it but I love all the little gags you know you don't want to be if you're in a cartoon and you have a mustache don't go to the barber it's going to get cut off it's true mustaches don't work like they do in real life and uh and also the this is the first time I noticed the bosom on the woman who says how is your wife oh yeah hey there are some busty babes in this movie and i appreciate that and 2017 version yes i will diss it it gets rid of the boobs

oh man the hot triplets are like tepid at best that's bullshit yeah these are smoke shows yes i mean 10 out of 10 smoke shows folks well it's also i mean you know no man in real life can oh well only a bodybuilder really could match guest on in real life his size yes he's pure the size the he is the size of his fueled by eggs i think the action is like she walks through town gets a book and then goes back home right yes that basically is in and out for the book yeah i yeah i also you know there's so many great uh man the animation of the woman juggling her three babies while saying like, I need six eggs. Like, so good. And they really expect children in 1991 to know what provincial means.

I certainly didn't know. Ask your parents. And, and yeah, it's also, you know, I was going to cinema sin this for like, oh, she borrows this book from this guy and then let's, let's sheep eat it. But then I remember no the guy gave her the book it's her book now so you know what she can let up if she wants a sheep to eat it she can let it. The bookstore stuff really underlines the character she is she's pretty interesting because it's like she doesn't care to read a book twice because it's the kind of thing she loves and she identifies all of her favorite fantasy tropes including a prince in disguise so spoilers everybody yeah that's uh that's also a very

90s thing that your disney princess is so metatextual she can be like oh i i love these fairy tales and i know all the tropes of fairy tales but guess what you're in one and yeah exactly and uh barbosa yeah i'm always doing that and also she's very honest and humble because she's like uh when the book's always like you can have it take it for free and she's like oh i couldn't you know but she eventually does so yeah she's honest she's she's smart she's kind birds uh love her also even though she's got her head stuck in a book she is uh has the clarity to notice that water's about to fall on her and so she blocks it by holding up the uh the store sign so it shows she's very resourceful too she's not just like some klutz uh banging

around places and there's more dramatic irony with the lyric uh here's where she meets prince charming but she won't discover that it's him till chapter three so bella doesn't know what she's walking into here i know man also the uh i i mean it's just like a scan of it but it's an amazing like the way the book page looks uh on it as well yeah and i also love the uh that the washer lady behind her is just like this fucking kid like i i gotta wash uh sorry you don't have to wash laundry all day girl but i do i feel like uh gaston is the only guy attracted to her though maybe all the hot triplets are drawing all the attention from Belle and that guy, that woman with the big boobs who, you know, was talking to the guy who got henpecked or whatever. Oh, you know what?

No, that fat blonde guy and the other two guys, they are looking at her in the window. Those dudes seem to be a little into her. I feel like they're the sickos outside just spying on her. Not for any sexual reasons. They're like, what's's with this lady they're just peepers yeah peepers to watch uh so yeah in case you didn't understand the relationship between the bell and the townspeople you hear them saying she's nothing like the rest of us she's nothing like the rest of us yeah we get it very very on the nose but it's fine yeah Yeah, I mean, it also works, too, to set up that Belle is now cast just like Beast, but she looks pretty, so they're not going to, like, destroy her or, like, throw her out of town. They're just going to look down their nose at her of, like, well, you fit beauty standards, but we all think you're weird, you know?

So it makes this a story of outcasts that come together as well. That's why gaston is like i will be your wife guy yeah oh yeah i'll tie you down uh so after the she's nothing like the rest of us we pan up to a flock of ducks one of them is shot and falls to the ground and that's when we reveal lafue uh who misses the fallen duck with his bag so we can see immediately lafue's just like goofball sidekick he praises gaston for being the best hunter in the world gaston immediately revealing who he is he says i know oh man staring at himself in the mirror like uh yeah i have the everybody hates birds

jingle oh sure sure from talking simpsons yes our hit podcast everybody hates birds right well gaston seems to hate every animal because lafue is carrying this bundle of corpses oh and it's so abstract you're not sure like what he's killed but there's like a raccoon tail and like antlers and a fur yeah so he's just walking through the streets shooting animals at random that bag is uh mystified me ever since childhood it seems like yeah just stitched together from every part of a game animal you could have. Like, I mean, that's for first-time viewers to indicate to the audience, like,

hey, you know who'd want to kill a big old beast? This guy. Like, this guy is made to kill a beast. That's why LeFou says, no beast alive stands a chance against you. No girl for that matter, either. So, again, more dramatic irony.

Belle is singing about, like, hidden Prince Charmings, and LeFou isou is saying you know you could kill a beast yeah stay tuned everybody and also i love what he says but i've got my eyes set on that girl and he's like pointing a gun at bell to say like i'm getting her irresponsible gun use i know it's a good visual metaphor agastan but don't point a gun at anyone you don't intend to shoot yes yeah i especially would like this 18th century blunderbuss or whatever you've got here he's just the next i mean i i'm so glad that we did a whole podcast about that ichabod uh shorts yeah absolutely yeah because gaston is braun bones just like up five percent you know like braun bones is also the asshole but because it was in the 50s or late 40s,

they think you're supposed to be happy that he ends up with the girl at the end. Yes. And you're like, no, fuck this guy. Like, this movie finally gets it. You're going like, no, fuck this guy. This is the 90s treatment of Bron Bones. We're holding him accountable. Yeah, finally he's being held accountable.

Let's hear Gaston sing a little bit. She's the one. The lucky girl I'm going to marry but she's the most beautiful girl in town i know that makes her the best and don't i deserve the best well of course i mean you do but from the moment when i met her saw her i said she's gorgeous and i fell here in town there's only she who is beautiful as me. So I'm making plans to woo and marry Belle. Look there he goes.

Isn't he dreamy? Be still. Be still. Oh, he's so cute. Be still, my heart. I'm hardly breathing. He's such a tall, darn strong and handsome. So these triplets are really working that pump

having a lot of fun there until until blasts all over lefou that pump yeah no the the trio of gals i love every shot of them they're such a funny like group they have the small differences in their design is what i like to like they each have a different color dress and their hair is parted slightly differently. I thought I had read before some trivia that like the three girls are meant to have hairstyles like other Disney princesses, but the only one I could spot is the girl on the farthest right in a screen right

has like Ariel's hair or at least kind of like the part to the left type hair that Ariel has. I'm seeing an image, but one of them is of Jasmine, who kind of isn't invented yet. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess they would have been working on Jasmine during that time, but I don't believe that.

I don't buy this theory. Yeah, and this also brought me up pictures of the triplets from the new movie. Necklines are far too high, gentlemen. We've got to correct this. See, yeah, it's like, come on. Again, this movie gave horniness on both sides you know you could look there's lots of beefcakes to look at yeah yeah it's equal opportunity uh sexualization for everybody all the kids out there the beast does a full nude scene in this movie that's true yeah that is really

true he's he's hanging brain all over this movie. He's just so hairy, you can't tell, you know. But yeah, Gaston, I love that they hired this guy. I think Richard White is his name, I think, because everyone's doing their own singing in this movie, by the way. Ah, yeah, yeah. And so is he, and he's an opera singer, and that fully, like, personifies Gaston. He's singing in this just bold opera voice

because he's a conceited character. I love that. i love that i love that it also it it feels like how the good guy would sing in old stuff which makes him an outdated stereotype and even in the way he sings like he is such a chauvinistic man's man that even in the 1700s he's viewed as like well you're really left in the past, Gaston. You could be a little more progressive. Like just him saying like, I'm going to make Belle my wife. Yeah, he's very, sorry, what the hell did the guy name? The Mountie, the bullwinkle Mountie.

Oh, yeah, like Dudley Durette. There you go, yeah. I'll pay the rent. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, with that line that you just sung, Belle goes, you know, there must be more than this provincial life we get the very good james baxter camera spin around her god yeah the

full turn like that's some of the most you know we said under animated stuff her walk through the town and that turn around like everybody's moving there like they it's only for about you know five seconds but man they're moving you know it's is it as many bystanders walking around and saying, Whisper of the Heart from 95? No, no, it's not. But still, it's a lot of people moving. Yeah, they don't have a lot of time, which is why when there's a mob later, it's mostly shadows.

Shadows on trees and silhouettes. But I totally get it. I totally get it. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I also wrote down the Gaston. Gaston is such a chauvinistic guy who is so forward with her he takes over a verse of her own song like that's how pushy he is he like talks over her right yeah he's mansplaining uh bell to her so yeah i like as this song is sort

of uh coming to an end uh she almost kind of notices everyone doing like there's she's nothing like the rest of us or whatever there's something wrong with her and she's like are you guys singing about me she kind of goes about her way i love that it almost reminds me of uh yeah you know in the muppet christmas carol a few years later they had a similar gag where they're singing about uh here comes mr humbug and then at the end of the song they're singing about scrooge scrooge turns around look at him they all like oh and they just pretend they weren't singing about the guy yeah as soon as bell turns around everyone kind of goes about their business like oh shit she knew we were singing the chorus oh man let's keep talking behind her back she hears a bonjour and this is this is when

gaston greets bell he takes away her book and they do a little talking like a real pickup artist yeah you have to damage their property i guess to hit on them uh he holds he holds it vertically and he asks you know how can you read this there's no pictures they were doing a playboy centerfold joke gentlemen oh yeah you're right he's looking for the pornography he's like where's the porn in this book that's great wow i didn't even catch that putting it sideways looking for the fold out oh that's good and uh it's part of the theme of the story though because kastan doesn't care what bell is into at all he just thinks she's hot and she is yeah but he's like well i don't care about your interest and i think they're stupid let me show you yeah here's how dumb your fucking books are

bitch like you're so hot and isn't it great that i love you like let's get to it you know yeah i mean he's thinking about what would make the most beautiful children. I guess he's also like a eugenics minded guy. Like, well, we're the prettiest people in town. I'm the high school football captain. You're the prettiest girl. You're prom queen. Let's do this. Time to breathe.

Yep. Time to breathe. So he throws her book in the mud. He's trashing this book all over this movie, even though a sheep already bit a page off of it. This book is in trouble. Oh, yeah. I love the long time of

him fucking up that book that's so great that follows through in multiple scenes and yeah the reaction shots of those triplets too i love the what's wrong with her she's crazy he's gorgeous oh so good bell tells gaston he's absolutely primeval and he thinks it's a compliment because he's stupid and she also tells him you know some people like to use their imaginations when she's talking about why there are no pictures in the book uh you know what if gaston didn't live in such a poor provincial town you just have a polyamorous thing going with those triplets you know i guess three girls and him moral standards were different at the time yeah this is a very christian country i i assume uh yeah the french were they're pretty christian i mean, they got the Notre Dame.

Yeah, there's some Catholics floating around in there. Yeah, yeah. Tell us in the comments how religious the French are. So Gaston wants Belle to, pay attention to him, he wants Belle to go to the tavern and check out his trophies. I love the amount of drinking in this movie. Yeah, oh my God. And the amount of being in a bar.

Yeah, it does, again, reminds me of the ichabod short yeah although there's a lot of drinking there and i love how inappropriate it is like this is why uh you know it was all downhill after 1991 for kids you know unlike the little mermaid this one doesn't have smoking in it though so it didn't have to have this hey don't smoke thing beforehand i guess there was no smoking you're right yeah i mean they get the you know there's fire stuff with uh with old lumiere but no no character plays around with a pipe there's no pipe humor like in in little mermaid they got a note from the censors no no pipe humor no pipe jokes and uh yes lafou uh laughs at the idea of bell going to see marie's because you know he's a crazy old loon he

needs all the help he can get so we see what the town's people think of everybody they love gaston they think bell is a weirdo and they think marise is crazy she's the daughter of a crazy guy i guess yeah pretty much the town just thinks oh isn't it sad that this crazy guy had a hot daughter like yeah she should be it makes it harder for us to have make her of total housecast like we do marise i mean after watching this movie a few times i think marise does need like a social worker to check in on him or something he needs like uh it's just like a wellness check every now and then i think well you know they don't have that kind of care at the time in france now they they i think they have a much better social services system there but yeah than us i also love the little bit that guest on

he has just enough sense to go like oh wait i shouldn't laugh at her dad right in front of her. Hey, yeah, that's right. Don't laugh at him. But then he can't not join in with the laughing when the thing explodes. I guess, too, that it shows Belle taking care of Maurice shows that perhaps her own relationship with her father treats her to want to not judge people by their uh appearances as much or also want to take care of people like you know uh say a sad lonely beast in a castle yeah yeah i mean uh she's just explains more of her personality she's she's loving she's caring and she doesn't i mean looking at marisa may think he is crazy but this is wood chopping machine it

works uh twice in the movie yeah his contraption actually works yeah so she enters the cellar of the house it's full of smoke uh we see that maurice is stuck in a barrel he's got to smash his way out he's sort of wearing it as a skirt uh we do see uh the first of two shots of comical boxer shorts in this movie yeah that's right too hot yeah that to know that in his 1700s uh small town in France, they still had hard-covered boxer shorts. These are polka dot. The other ones we see are hearts. So they got two kinds of boxer short jokes.

See, this is the HD difference. You can tell the difference between polka dots and hearts on it. Not on VHS, but let's meet Maurice on our next clip here. Are you all right, Papa? I'm about ready to give up on this hunk of junk. You always say that. I mean it this time. next clip here. You really believe that? I always have. Well, what are we waiting for? I'll have this thing fixed in no time. Hand me that... I got a new book.

Papa, do you think I'm odd? My daughter? Odd? Where would you get an idea like that? Oh, I don't know. It's just that I'm not sure I fit in here. There's no one I can really talk to. What about that Gaston? He's a handsome fellow.

He's handsome, all right. And rude and conceited. Oh, Papa, he's not for me. Well, don't you worry. Because this invention's going to be the start of a new life for us. I think that's done it. Now, let's give it a try. And yes, this Rube Goldbergian device whirs into life and actually cuts the logs as intended,

but it also sends them whizzing across the room, so they're just breaking things, too, inside of the workshop. Well, I guess his plan is that the spring would fling them into the wood pile. One lands in there. Yeah, but then the other hits him right in the head i think later in the movie chip points out this is kind of like a murder machine yes yeah drive it into battle it's like homer's electric hammer yeah but it's like mounted on a on a vehicle it's quite dangerous really uh but i love that she supports him no matter what like she's a very nice uh kid and did i also though like that maurice supports her being outside of uh society's norms a little bit but he still thinks like well gaston he's like a handsome guy shouldn't you want to be with him

he looks good gaston is so beloved even bell's dad is like he's pretty cool right he seems cool i mean i don't know i think i'd marry him if i were you there was going to be more of maurice in the movie there was going to be a sequence and i believe a song at the invention convention oh really but that was cut out and i do find it's odd how much we linger on maurice after this part of the movie because we stick with him for about seven or eight minutes with like no other characters really yeah it's true it's uh it's a long time we spend with old maurice uh for a guy who like doesn't factor in a ton at the end of the movie but i i i do like uh maurice saying this

invention is gonna start uh start a whole new life for us in in a way it does that's true yeah because if he didn't take the invention too out of town then he wouldn't have gotten lost and this whole adventure wouldn't have begun so this is when maurice leaves he heads off into the distance and man uh the tone changes immediately uh they are so economical in this movie and i like it because uh he's immediately in this uh this creepy wood wooded area oh yeah man the the background's so gorgeous like so well done by the by the background team like there's so much detail in the like three different shots that take him to the that are increasingly you know spookier and scarier and definitely the the scary forest once he gets to the the fork in the road that also really reminded

me of the ichabod oh absolutely yeah and when he's holding up his lantern to look at the sign with all the faded letters those those are all California cities. You can see towards the bottom, they're easier to read. You can see Valencia and Anaheim. Of course, Anaheim's at the bottom. Of course, it's like the most important Disney city there is. So a little Easter egg out there. That's cute.

That's funny. I guess we kind of meet Philippe here, too, because Philippe has a mind of his own. Maurice wants to go one way. He wants to go another. But Maurice gets his way going through this shortcut, as he calls it. Yeah, Philippe's fun. You know, he's not too fully featured, but there's some quality horse animation on him. I'd put him right up there with the great work done on Altivo in Rotel Dorado.

Right. I feel like no matter what they try to do, all of these horses kind of come off the same personality-wise, and that's fine. But when you see a horse in an animated Disney movie, you kind of understand what it's going to be immediately. Yeah, yeah. Though this is a big, like, buff Clydesdale.

Like, he's at least a thicker horse than Phoebus' horse in Hunchback. That's true. That horse does have a name, too, and I forget what it is. Ah, it's a joke, too. Yeah. Achilles.

Achilles, yeah. Yes, Achilles, yes. And Frollo's horse is named like uh snowball or something oh right the evil black horse actually yeah his horse and gaston's horse are pretty similar yeah they shop at the same horse store when did that story take place you know pretty close together that's that well we mentioned it in hunchback there's a in the opening pan for a shot you can see bell walking among the people in the town. Belle moves to Paris after this movie.

Let's say that her and the prince go on a vacation. You know, honeymoon vacation takes them to Paris. I mean, wouldn't they want to be there for the Day of Fools? Yeah, but not for all the fire and the murder of the Romanis. They got out of town for that. But, you know, even though Maurice is a lovable old coot, he immediately blames his horse. He's like, where have you taken us, Philippe? Oh, that jerk.

Yeah, he brings this on himself. Man, the spook torse animation, like of him just backing up and bumping up against a tree. And when all the bats fly out, he's like, and just, yeah, running away. Oh, so good. There's lots of action here. Philippe runs with the cart he almost sends him off a steep clip but maurice like calms him down gets him to back up a little bit eventually maurice gets bucked off the uh lantern is shattered and he's all alone but not well he's

not alone because there's a bunch of wolves there now maurice is scared and there are wolves after him exactly just like old men yes yeah it happens to all the old men uh but you know philippe has much better sense of direction because he is able to just get home with that thing he philippe doesn't get lost in the forest he knows exactly how to get back to town and later take a bell right back to where he was and it's very important that he keeps the cart and it's very important that the cart is abandoned on top of that hill yeah in their backyard oh yes yes yes man i yes is skipping ahead a teeny bit but i feel bad for uh philippe that he had to pull that cart all the way back home and then bell's like no we got to get back out there for maurice right now it's like you can kill this uh horse you gotta give him some rest this is not a uh complaint

about the movie but it is funny how much uh back and forth to the castle there is it's like now i'm back now i'm here now i'm back now i'm here it is yeah it's true and forth to the castle there is. It's like, now I'm back. Now I'm here. Now I'm back. Now I'm here. It is. Yeah, it's true. It's about five, I guess, Belle, one, Maurice, one, two, three, four. Yeah, he's back and forth twice over in the movie. They make a lot of trips here.

Yeah. So, yes, there's a moment of calm here. The wolves get Maurice. He runs away. He crosses a log, slides down this hill to see this large gate in front of him. Bam, he's already there. He's already at the castle. We're like 13 minutes in, I think.

Right there at the castle, and he's left with no choice. This guy doesn't want to intrude into the scary castle, but literally it's either death or go into this castle. Then the rain starts so the something is pushing in there if we if we are to believe in god existing in heaven's light perhaps then then this is pushing maurice uh towards the castle i guess it's important to show that he's not like uh intruding because he's like pleading for help you know rattling the gates but the gates like give way and they let him in and then later the door opens for him well he knocks on it and

the door opens so it's not like he's intruding which is it makes the beast even more of a dick yeah yeah i mean you know hey the beast he's been alone for a long time and he jumps to conclusions and he figures everybody hates him so uh i mean key to the beast's problem in this movie is that he assumes that the world hates him and so he pushes them away before they can do that to him like that's that's what he does to he just assumes oh maurice is here to mock me bell couldn't possibly love him all of these things that he he assumes the worst and it makes his life worse but we can't put our bullies in our own private jails. It's true. Yeah.

I sometimes I have to remind myself like, man, this guy's royalty. I don't want to feel too bad for the old beast. Yeah. Yeah. Where did his money come from? But I guess again, really, he's just an online poster who's, you know, sad in his in his room all day playing games. It's true.

One thing I need to mention, I don't know if I mentioned it on the history segment. So apologies if I'm reiterating this. But at this point in the movie, Be Our was supposed to happen oh really and it was supposed to be them singing to maurice oh man because in the original story it's kind of trying to say that bell's father overstays his welcome he eats too much he drinks too much he takes advantage of the hospitality the castle is showing him and that's why the beast is extra mad so after be our guest happens with maurice you feel like the beast would have more of a reason He takes advantage of the hospitality the castle is showing him, and that's why the Beast is extra mad. So after Be Our Guest happens with Maurice, you feel like the Beast would have more of a reason to be upset.

Yeah, you know what? That would make it look more like Maurice is taking advantage of him. That would spur on his anger more. But I can see why they'd move it. Be Our Guest is more fun if it's sung to Belle than Maurice, I i think plus it it cuts down on then what we're spending like another five minutes with maurice and not bell it's true i think they were viewing like story reels or the movie in storyboard form and somebody timidly said like what if they sing be our guest to bell and then they joked like we'll send it to the cleanup department they'll have to

clean it up so much they turn maurice into bell but basically i i think the staging didn't change just the character in the song changed yeah that's neat but yeah it was a choice for basically i i think the staging didn't change just the character in the song changed that's neat but yeah it was a choice for the better i think i think so too less barry's yeah let's hear him enter the castle hello maybe he'll go away. Is someone there? Not a word, Lonegan. Not one word. I don't mean to intrude, but I've lost my horse,

and I need a place to stay for the night. Oh, Cogsworth, have a heart. Of course, monsieur, you're welcome here. Who said that? Over here. Where? Allo. Incredible.

Well, now you've done it, Lumiere. Splendid. Just peaking. How is this accomplished? Put me down at once. Stop that. Stop that. Stop that, I say. Sir, close that at once, do you mind?

So Cogsworth is getting his dignity stripped away because Maurice is an inventor. He's like, how do these mechanical creations work? He doesn't believe that they're living things yet he's some sort of automaton yeah i love i like the reaction of cogsworth as one that the lining up seems to be that it's like scrunching his face or it's like his brain is being twisted up he's like but yeah the way he closes his uh chest cavity is he's almost like hey you're you're messing with my privates here buddy like do you mind he's sticking around in his guts uh i swear that shot

of lumiere saying hello was like in every trailer yeah yeah it's like hey do you like funny accents oh this guy's got one for you boy does he yeah it's such an extreme french accent hey jerry orbach not french but doing a good job there oh yeah maybe orbach is a french last name but he's he's an american i mean yeah he's a an american jewish man as well yeah which not not to say there aren't french jewish people but it's true they exist uh but i also a very there's not as many like certainly not compared to aladdin of like uh current day jokes in this movie but the windshield wiper gag yeah of his clockwork uh thing well cogsworth that that's kind of a current joke yeah even then though there's not like any pop culture references

but yeah i guess uh they they could be a little too uh in the past to know what a windshield wiper is yeah yeah yeah it's like it moves like an automatic windshield wiper but they offer uh maurice some basic hospitality it's not like a be our guest style number it's like we're gonna give you a blanket we're gonna put you in front of a fire and uh yeah maurice uh i believe he's a little resistant to this at first yeah i mean he's a poor old man but he's like you know you know you're soaked to the bone but he yeah it shows that he's confused by it at first certainly but also he's a poor old man, but he's like, you know, you are soaked to the bone. But yeah, it shows that he's confused by it at first, certainly. But also he's like, you know what? I guess it helps that Maurice is kind of a weirdo.

So even though he is kind of confused, he's like, you know what? Yeah, this friendly hat rack is going to give me a blanket. And here's some talking dishware. Sure. Let's get to it. The hat rack is sort of like a bathroom intended. He's doing all of the most menial things for people. But you know what?

He's also really great at playing the violin later. That's true. I forgot about that. Maybe partially Maurice is thinking, well, I must have blacked out while those wolves killed me, so I guess I'm in heaven. Yeah. Maybe heaven's a creepy old castle where a candle talks to you.

Cogsworth is not happy about this. He's hanging on to the back of Maurice's cape, killed me so I guess I'm in heaven. Yeah. Maybe heaven's a creepy old castle where a candle talks to you. Yeah. Cogsworth is not happy about this. He's hanging on to the back of Maurice's cape, losing gears and we see the shadow of the beast. I love when he falls down the stairs. Yeah. Such good animation. But we also see the shadow of the beast up here for the first time. And we haven't really seen him in full yet. We won't really see his full

form until he comes into the light when Belle asks him to later, like 20 minutes into the movie yeah but beast is you know he's a loner he doesn't want people touching his stuff like he's just he's a crazy old hermit he's he's coming down from his his gaming pc to be like what are you doing here look who came down to say hi beast your aunt's here she came all the way from milwaukee I gotta go. I'm sorry. Fortnite. So the tea tray comes in. He rolls over Cogsworth, which is just complaining.

He's complaining constantly about this situation. We meet Mrs. Potts, who pours scalding water into her son's brain and says, suck on my son. It's nice and fun. Oh, man. You know what? I'm not putting this out there but i feel weird when the adult characters are sucking on this little boy in cup form hey the

kid likes it oh god what am i saying no no especially when it's emma when i saw this uh when i saw the emma watson version just a clip of it when she's like sucking on chip and i'm just like i'm i'm thinking too much about what's happening here and she's like he's like that tickles yeah the tickling is, yeah, you know what? Yeah, it's very strange. Also, when the kid, they have mouths, and he has a chip in his own tooth, his actual little tooth,

but what does the chip mean in his head? Did he take a fall and hurt his head? His skull is fractured. Well, you know, there's an answer question in this movie and you know this is a very innocent movie it's very cute and charming i'm putting the darkness onto it they don't do not intend to mean this at all but when i think of like mrs potts like locking him in a cabinet with his brothers like who are these other children and why does she why is she in command of all of these orphans yeah i know i i assume uh well because also he calls her mama, but when they become human, she is too old to have given birth to a seven-year-old.

Yeah, she's like 65 years old, this old lady. So I assume that when the mansion got enchanted, that they must have had orphans or the children of the servants all live there. And he was an orphan of a foundling or something and pots took him as his own and will soon raise him to be a perfect servant like all of the other man servants in this place i think the beast's uh family were just scooping up urchins and turning them into servants well i guess two beast parents are dead then i mean one must assume there's no king or queen mentioned. He's just the prince. I think that's another reason why the other movie is 40 minutes longer, because they view

all these things as plot holes that need to be explained. Yeah, which, I mean, hey, we're asking for them to be explained, but then when they made the movie to explain them, we didn't care to watch it. So maybe the fault is ours, perhaps. Well, you know, it's a very good movie, but they do one cardinal sin in my book, and that's when the door slams open, the fire goes out, chip says oh yes yeah that's pretty bad i hate that i hate it so i hate what i mean you've heard podcasts where that's happening i just it makes my skin crawl i hate it so much oh yeah there's you know that reminds me of the other cliche can you believe

in that new thor movie which is mostly all right but not great they actually do a not as a joke or as like ironic thor actually says they're right behind me aren't they and they just mean it it's not as a post-modern thing at all he just says they're right by me aren't they in the way it's actually meant like i couldn't believe they did over 20 years ago Futurama won up that joke by having the character say, actually, I'm in front of you. Yes. Yeah. Once the comedy did that, then you can't do it. Like, yeah.

And, I mean, also, this movie does have a, well, that went well, except it's Potts saying, that didn't go very well, did it? So, at the very least, she's not being, like, ironic or sarcastic. She's not saying that happened well but yeah the beast is here i love uh this first reveal not in full but i like how i think it's a product of them not having a lot of time and money but i like how sometimes the beast is off model especially when they have to make him more animalistic so his eyes seem to be bigger he seems to be more angular when he's uh first in this room in the doorway and i love how he looks in that first like full body appearance oh man and he's walking around in all fours like this too shows over time the body language of beast changes and this is him

at his lowest like at his most beast like he's forgotten what it's like to be a man and he's just walking around in all fours glaring at this guy not wearing his shirt and just going like oh man what the fuck dude and i also like the cogsworth instantly becomes brainy smurf of like it was everybody else i told him not to they didn't want this while also hiding under the carpet yes uh let's hear the beast speak for the first time there's a stranger here master allow me to explain the gentleman was lost in the woods. He was cold and wet. Master, I'd like to take this moment to say

I was against this from the start. It was all his fault. I tried to stop them. Would they listen to me? Who are you? What are you doing here? I was lost in the woods and... You're not welcome here! I'm sorry.

What are you staring at? Nothing. So, you've come to stare at the beast, have you? Please, I meant no harm. I just needed a place to stay. I'll give you a place to stay. Oh, no, please! Oh, please. No.

No. There you have it. Pretty harsh. Pretty harsh. But so looking at it from Beast's angle, you know, probably nobody comes to this castle anymore because he scares them all away because he doesn't want anybody there. And he thinks, oh, here's come somebody in here to make fun of me or gawk at the beast well i'll teach you a lesson to you and anybody else who'd want to come in here yeah again i think moving be our guest makes this make more sense thematically uh because he's more about uh being wounded about his appearance and he is mad about a guy eating

all of his gray stuff yeah yeah or you know this takes uh like you said i think it worked better in the original that this they want to make marisa harmless old man but i like that bit in the original better that he's kind of just rude and he's like you know can i just have this i'm gonna take a rose too he's like that's it too buddy. I gave you all this nice stuff. You won't get Rose 1. But yeah, just his reaction like, so you've come to stir the beast, have you? Like that just says so much about Beast that he hates how much he looks that he thinks somebody coming here to gawk at him, that's the final straw. And he's going to lock this guy up maybe forever until he's dead, I guess. Why does this castle have a prison in the first place?

Hey, come on. If you've got a castle, you've got to have a prison. That's true. You've got to send some people to the dungeon. If they piss off the royalty, you've got to throw them in there. I feel the beast is going to be a harsh ruler now. Oh, yes, yeah. I can't recall if there are actual bones in that dungeon i

don't think there are because that would be too dark but yeah certainly his family before him killed people in that dungeon for sure again we have to ask questions and i'm sure the movie that i won't watch will answer them yep yeah so we've seen a cart and a horse but in this next scene uh gaston puts the cart before the horse and decides to have a wedding party on Belle's front lawn before even asking her to marry him. And despite being such a traditional man, he doesn't even think to ask Maurice for approval. But I guess because he is such a chauvinistic guy, he's like, well, whatever I want is mine. That he set up an entire wedding party before proposing and saying, like, and we're going to get married right now. So I'll see you guys in just a minute.

And I just love how everyone in the town fucking loves this guy. They love him. Because he's like, first I better go in and propose to the girl. They're all like, you're hilarious. Oh man.

Yeah, I know. Like this town sucks. Bell's song is right. This is the exact town that will let this guy lead them into a bloodthirsty killing spree. Yes. The triplets are all very sad they're weeping uh i mean count the amount of times lefou gets hit with something because he jumps the gun he strikes up the band too early he gets the tuba smashed on his head and his little

lips come out the mouthpiece that's very loony too yeah yeah i also the branch smacking him in the face too it almost feels like they were counting the scenes of like, hmm, a kid hasn't laughed in four seconds. Have something hit LeFou. Yeah. They said, when in doubt, hit LeFou. Hey, you'd never feel bad for him because he's such a little dick, you know? I wish there was like one post-credits LeFou scene. Yeah.

He really disappears. The last thing you see of him is just running out of town. I mean, honestly, everybody who runs out of the castle you never see him again i i believe in the we're talking about the live action one so much but as i know from the articles about how the foo's gay in the new movie that he dances with a man at the end of the movie so i do think they tie up that loose end more so he gets redeemed after leading the attack on the castle with gaston? I guess. I don't know. We apologize for all these 2017 diversions, but it's on the back of our minds. Yes, yeah.

But who cares? LeFou here, he's really funny. I'm striking up the band. And also that Gaston's best friend is like this three-foot-tall fawning nerd. He doesn't even look like a human being. Gaston is a fairly realistically drawn human being. He he is a warner brothers looney tune character i love lafou he's great he's good yeah and yeah bell's at home uh gaston's at the door she's looking through this peephole gadget and i love the needless fun animation of the distortion of

the fisheye lens which makes him look hideous oh so great and also i really love uh this little subtle thing of when she puts down her book she leaves it open and then like places her hand on it to spread out the pages more to be like oh don't turn the page i want to get back to this one page she's very careful with her with her reading yes which just sets it up to be fucked up more by guest on in the next shot as soon as he puts his muddy boots down on it but yeah he intrudes upon her house tells her how lucky she is and immediately gets distracted by the mirror i love this little flourish of animation where he's like cleaning his teeth with his tongue and he smiles at himself oh man he's constantly like distracted by reflections of himself and it's great he's like narcissus yeah he can't he's like i was just telling he just checks his teeth

like and then when he once he's licked his incisor, which also, that's something, too, that is a great evil design on him. That whenever he talks, it's not flat teeth how you would draw the teeth on most Disney characters. His incisors do give him little fangs. That's true, yeah. To put a little more danger to him, I think. Let's hear Belle reject him in this next clip. This is the day your dreams come true what do you know about my dreams guest on plenty yeah picture this a rustic hunting lodge my latest

kill roasting on the fire my little wife massaging my feet well the little ones play on the floor with the dogs. We'll have six or seven. Dogs? No, Belle. Strapping boys like me. Imagine that. Do you know who that little wife will be? Let me think. You, Belle.

Gaston, I'm... I'm... Speechless. I really don't know what to say. Say you'll marry me. I'm very sorry, Gaston, but... But... I just don't deserve you. Whoa! Say you'll marry me. I'm very sorry, Gaston, but... but... I just don't deserve you.

What? So, how'd it go? I'll have Belle for my wife make no mistake about that he's very biff tannin oh yeah i'm gonna marry you lorraine he's the yeah he won't take no for an answer this guy man all of his animation is so great and like scary and jerky like he's he's legitimately scary to me the way that as she keeps backing away from him his body language is just like no i'm gonna keep coming he like actually shoves the chair down to the floor and you kind of pin against the door too yeah it's it's scary like he's uh that's why like you oh god when he says six or seven he's like no big

strapping boys like me like Like, ooh, God. That's like a death sentence. And I forgot how much, like, sass Belle has to her. Like, even in the opening song, like, she is very passive aggressive to him. Yeah. But he's too stupid to understand that it's passive aggression. Oh, I love her. Like, I just don't deserve you.

Like, yeah. And, man, it's such a funny bit of him coming out of the mud with the pig on his head. So you think like, oh, he's literally a pig because that's how he acts. Oh, and too, I feel like they changed the outline of his character to be darker because he's all muddy. Yeah, with caps they can do that now. I think they mentioned that on the commentary. It's like, we don't have to have black lines anymore. Oh, that's great yeah you you can definitely read him as muddier and same with

lafue when he's thrown in there i also love lafue's just talking to the pig like and the pigs look that that's the one time lafue is put off by uh gaston's behavior maybe happens again but it's he's usually on board even when he's being beaten by him yeah yeah i think you know when he's with the insane asylum guy that's when he's actually dunking on gaston like yeah she said no this guy's crazy but what a what a jerk gaston is just like barging into her house saying you gotta marry me she tells him tells him no but gaston is not the type of guy to take no for an answer that's true we're gonna see more of that later with his evil plot. And then, guess what, folks?

The opening song isn't over. We're 20 minutes into the movie, and she's like, you know what? How about another verse? Yeah. And she sings, like, mockingly about, can you imagine me being Miss Gaston and singing to the animals?

Very Snow White behavior here. Oh, yeah, it's great. But with the kind of sad Snow White, prim and proper Snow White would never show. That's true. I just meant being adjacent to animals and singing to them. It's funny because she's passive-aggressive when she's around him, but when he's gone, she's like, fuck this guy.

I hate him so much. Yeah, you know what? Honestly, Snow White would just say like, oh, this guy wants to marry me. Well, I guess I should then. I just met him and he wants to marry me. Okay. Yay. I do it.

But yeah, Belle going like, Madameame guest on can you just see it and her sarcastic act outs of putting the like making a little shawl yeah yeah and when she's feeding the birds while she does it also good yeah yeah i think she's just feeding the animals to calm down and that then we get like the i want adventure in the great wide somewhere and then we get the big spinning sound of music yeah yeah that's her big uh this is her i want song yes yeah she's saying i want she's doing it totally man maurice they're they're poor in money it's the or simple in money but they got a big backyard that's their land rich i think i guess so i want to see where the property line ends on that place

that's true is this just the backyard or somebody else's old yard yeah i though maybe i i could see maurice being a doc brown type who came from you know a land rich family who just wasted all the money on his stupid inventions and then married married a wife who died a long time ago that gave birth to bell well i guess in the original story maurice was a merchant who had kind of failed a business and he had to move to like a cottage. So maybe land was cheaper in the country. You know, he's a bit like Terenko from Dragon Quest IV. That's right. Or Torneko. Torneko.

That's him. But yeah, yeah, yeah. He looks a bit like him, actually. I guess more like slightly Middle Eastern garb. You could turn him into Torneko. Yeah, it's true. He is more of a Middle Eastern style businessman. Yeah. They both have mustaches,co yeah it's true uh he's he is more of a uh a middle eastern style uh businessman yeah they both have mustaches though that's true and yeah very economical because as the song is ending bell is like letting these dandelion scenes blow across the shot of her yeah

i i did just want to say the shot of her spinning around like so good that's some james baxter like highlight reel stuff right there absolutely yeah yeah and it would not happen without the sound of music, unfortunately. That's true. That's true. If you want to spin around on a hill, you got to pay Julie Andrews five bucks. It's the law. She invented it. So the song ends with, you know, I want so much more than they've got planned.

We see these dandelion scenes floating across the way and it's very economical because they float across and then Philippa just emerges from the woods. Perfect. Yeah. But again, I feel so bad for him. He's got to go straight back into the woods. Like, this horse was running for, like, a whole day, you know? He's tired.

Apparently, like, if you go to see the Human Again segment they deleted, it explains, like, well, I guess Felipe was just being boarded at the Beast's castle. He was being taken care of very well, it seems. Okay, well, that's good. Yeah, I would assume they, you know, it's a big castle. They must have a stables, like, yeah do check out human again uh but yeah philippe he's he's got it kind of rough i i didn't realize this whole stuff about taking care of horses until i watched that cowboy movie the searchers where it's a plot point of they are chasing after a

group of native americans who are evil, but in it, one character is saying we gotta keep riding our horses to him right now and John Wayne says, no you idiot we gotta rest our horses now, your horse is gonna die if you ride it all night and you won't catch up with him, but the headstrong kid rushes forward with his horse and his horse does get run to death

and die and John Wayne catches back up with him the next morning like, well come on pilgrim and pulled him up on his horse so he's all about proper horse breaks yes yeah you gotta take care of those horses we're telling gamers to hydrate we need to tell horses to hydrate take some breaks hydrate you know get some vitamin d it'll be fine uh yeah philip emerges from the hills he's pulling the cart behind him bell and hooks it she says to Philippe, you must take me to my father. And this is when the prop is left on the hill so it can eventually roll down into the cellar.

Although somebody must have taken that tarp off of it in the meantime. Maybe Chip. Maybe Chip. Yeah, let's say Chip does. Yeah, with his teeth or something. And then, like, again, economical storytelling. Bam, right at the castle. Right there.

The plot-relevant wolves did not strike her on the way. You know, they were sleepy. It was hard. You know, it's like in Elden Ring. Those wolves, they're sleepy in the daytime. That's true. That's when you can sneak up on them. But yeah, I guess they were happy with Maurice's shoe they took away. Yeah, yeah. And then

that hat he dropped in the one shot, she finds it right there. Very, very smart storytelling there, too. So Belle enters the castle. Keep quiet, could we? Just had to invite him to stay, didn't we? Serve him tea, sit in the master's chair, pet the pooch. I was trying to be hospitable.

Hello? Is anyone here? Hello? Hello anyone here? Hello? Papa? Papa? Are you here? Mama, there's a girl in the castle. Now, Chip, I'll not have you making up such wild stories. Really, Mama? I saw her. Not another word. Into the tub.

What girl? I saw a girl in the castle. See? I told her. Not another word. Into the tub. What girl? I saw a girl in the castle. See? I told you. Irresponsible. Devil may care. Waxy-eared. Slack-jawed. Papa.

Did you see that? It's a girl. I know it's a girl. Don't you see? She's the one. The girl we have been waiting for. She has come to break the spell. Wait a minute. Wait a girl. I know it's a girl. Don't you see? She's the one, the girl we have been waiting for. She has come to break the spell. Wait a minute.

Wait a minute. You know, I was wondering if the other household, or sorry, the other castle subjects are jealous of Cogsworth because he has kind of functional arms and legs. That's true. Lumiere just has like kind of stumps, you know? Yeah, yeah. His stumps can't, you know, he's pretty good with those stumps. But yeah, Cogsworth has a pretty good deal of all the, I guess, you know yeah his stumps can't you know he's pretty good with those stumps but yeah you

cogsworth has a pretty good deal of all the i guess you know the footstool dog has the most motion of all that that matches up one-to-one with his uh real life guy but cogsworth you know he's short like most of the others but he's got arms i it has to be pretty frustrating for say that uh sexy french maid to have no arms and legs. Yeah, I feel bad for anything that's just a head in this movie, too. Oh, Mrs. Potts with her giant head, like just giant pumpkin head. A hopping head. Yeah, but that answers the question there, because at the end of the movie, Lumiere says,

you know, it was me who said she'd break the spell, and Cogsworth goes, no, no, no, I believe it was me. Oh, that little slap fight they had? Yeah, that right there, Lumiere says she's the one who will break the spell, and Cogsworth doesn't believe it no, no, I believe it was me. Oh, that little slap fight they had? Yeah, that right there. Lumiere says she's the one who will break the spell and Cogsworth doesn't believe. He's like, wait a minute. So Lumiere is right at the end of the movie.

They should have had a clip there. I have a clip ready for this to prove you wrong. Well, now it's answered. I also love Cogsworth's animation on Pet the Pooch, like his big mockish French accent he puts on for that and he's seen with them together i enjoy i love their advert adversary relationships yeah it's it's so much fun chip chip meanwhile they give him all of the stuff for the kids to enjoy like later he's the kids in the audience going like oh i don't get this mushy stuff what is all this but here they have chip doing the

thing they love kids uh in movies to do of like nobody believes them. And then when the adults are proven wrong, he's like, I told you that like that was the dream as a kid to prove a pair to prove an adult wrong. I normally don't like these cutesy schmoozy characters, but I don't mind Chip. I don't mind Chip. Going into this, I thought he might annoy me, but they use him enough. And the things he says are funny funny although he gets the last line of the movie and it kind of sucks yeah it's uh yeah i sleep in a drawer yeah chip i think it helps that he is so inhuman being a cup that i don't think of him as an annoying yeah tyke you

know and he's not as like i don't know there's something about the way flounder goes like i'm not a guppy like he's uh chip's not as uh pushy I guess or jerky he's an action hero later in the movie he saves the day he's just a fun kid so Belle is exploring the castle uh Cogsworth and Lumiere are following her she climbs a spiral staircase Lumiere hides nicely in his alcove I guess they can kind of disguise their faces yeah they do that when maurice comes in their faces kind of like emerge from their flesh or whatever yeah i guess that pays off in the guerrilla warfare later that they do on on them yeah though i don't know how did lemire get up in that alcove exactly uh he can climb he can jump sure okay yeah i mean is the especially if you look at when he has to use his thumb in a certain way

you really have to just look at like sure is his uh gold rims around his the end of his things just kind of can stick out sometimes and grab on to stuff like a thumb yeah they're like the terminator right uh yeah just kind of morph that's true he is he is kind of you know wax is uh not unlike liquid metal yeah where's his brain in that thing Yeah, if he got melted all the way down at the end of the movie like he did, would he have died or could he have been, would he just be like melted wax? And is his tongue wax? I have a lot of questions. He's not like Charmander.

When his flames go out, he doesn't die. Yeah, yeah. He can turn his flames on and off and just create fire himself too, which that's not exactly how candles work. Not really, no. But I guess he is magic. That wax is powerful. Yeah. just create fire himself too, which that's not exactly how candles work, but not really. No, but I guess he is magic. That wax is powerful. Yeah.

So she climbs the staircase, she hits the top and she hears her father's voice crying out for her. And it turns out Maurice very sick because he's one of these characters in a movie that as soon as like a speck of rain hits them, they have pneumonia immediately. Hey, you know what? He's like 60 in the 1700s before,

before penicillin existed. You know, he's, he's probably not long for this world. That's true. He's like 60 in the 1700s before Penicillin existed. He's probably not long for this world. That's true. But Maurice is a good character because he says to Belle, no, go away. You don't want to be here.

Don't worry about me. Your safety is more important. Get out of here right now. Yeah. And even when later he'll tell her, no, I'm old. I've lived my life. Don't give up your entire life for this. I'd rather die. But she's instantly pulled away by the the beast with this huge paw yes and her torch flies into

a puddle which you know robs us of a cool reveal won't come until later so still we are like almost 25 minutes into the movie have not seen the beast in full yet in light yes big scary beast he's so terrifying man and he's uh their their first interaction is so great and interesting like that i i said it before how important it is that she doesn't know about the spell and how it can be broken because that would add weird pressure on her to fall in love with him yeah and it wouldn't make a true love like we said earlier and and same here that she she says take me instead it would be creepy if b said well how about you stay here and then rubs his hands together looks his lips well no i mean we'll get

to we'll play the clip very soon but i love beast uh trying to be ferocious but also uh you can tell he's also very insecure so like he's he's like screaming and roaring at these uh intruders but when bell uh says come into the light let me see you he like is insecurely like kind of creeping forward with his like feet first so i love the the mixed emotions they play with him because he wants to be this formidable force but he's all actually just a very wounded insecure man yeah oh you're right such an interesting guy he's one of the most interesting dudes in a disney movie they've ever done usually the princess gets all the interesting stuff and usually whenever he yells at bell or you know is mean a second later he's like oh i fucked up oh i suck so much why do

i push people away no wonder nobody came to my birthday party uh let's hear bell offer to stay take me instead Let's hear Belle offer to stay. Come into the light. No, Belle! I won't let you do this! You have my word. Done! You have my word Done No, Belle, listen to me I'm old, I've lived my life Wait Belle Wait

No, please, Belle, my daughter Please She's no longer your concern Take him to the village Let me out Please let me out Let me out Please Please let me out! Let me out! Please!

Please! Sounds like cicadas. Yeah, I was like, what the hell was this thing before it was a walking carriage? It's like, well, that's the castle's giant spider. They got turned into a carriage. I guess it's just an enchanted carriage then. I like how it's been rooted in the ground to show that he's not gone anywhere or done anything for so long that it has to pull itself up out of there. Let's say that magic carriage walked a long time at night and nobody saw it because certainly someone would stop and gawk at that.

I guess it is pretty dark and I think snowy too. You know what? Belle is right. It was pretty mean to just rip him away from her. And then I guess it should be read as the beast being thoughtless, not cruel, that he's just like, well, all right, she said, get out of here. Like, there, we're done. And then afterwards he realizes, I guess she would want to say goodbye to this guy, wouldn't

she? I mean, he gave him a free trip home. Yeah. Presumably a safe trip home. What more does she want the uh the reveal is great because uh when you see his face it's like from bell's perspective looking up but he's also being lit from above by the moonlight yeah so it's very very distorted and very very creepy god everything like his he has horns and a snout and and the teeth up from his upper jaw.

He is terrifying and gigantic, too. You can see why she gasps in fright at this big, huge monster man. And the beast, I assume he's going back upstairs to the cells. I don't know the layout of the castle, but Lumiere is still in the alcove of that spiral staircase. Oh, yeah, that makes sense, because she went up that staircase to then find Maurice, so she must be going back down. He went down and up again. Yeah, he went down to throw him into that spider carriage,

and he's coming back up, and Lumiere is like, you know, why don't you give her a nicer room? Then again, maybe not. I like that little reaction. They get so much mileage out of the comedy of his fire going off and on over and over again though i also have questions too when he when he heats up uh cogsworth so cogsworth feels paid like him being lit on fire or being burnt by the uh wick does hurt him so makes me

wonder like how much pain do they feel these These are Toy Story questions, I think, right? Yes, yeah, yeah. Definitely in Toy Story, I was like, well, what would it matter to Woody if he fell, like, you know, 30 feet? Like, he's a stuffed, he's mostly just stuff. He gets scraped a little bit, but it wouldn't hurt, right? Yeah, none of these things die in the upcoming battle, though. None of these objects die. Fortunately, that'd be pretty sad if one of them got cracked in half and then once the magic when they were human again it was just like a mangled corpse i'd like to imagine that as soon

as that dog footstool turns into a dog it just dies immediately because dogs don't live that long it's like being a footstool kept that dog alive that's true yeah he would have died like five years earlier this old dog but only a bird dies in this movie no dogs uh but yes so the beast uh he's going back up to bell's cell he sees her crying we see the beast uh does feel a lot of guilt about this like there's a lot of guilt playing over his face when she sees when he sees that she is not very happy about this but he still has to uh you know put on a gruff persona but he but when he's asking bell can i show you your room he has to stammer you know uh did you want to stay here yeah oh man i love that i love the acting on his face like there's so much great

subtle acting again with a face that doesn't exist like so they're able to get all this emotion on on a face that is not real like they can't uh get as much you know live action reference for it but just his the the reaction on his face when he's like, ah, right. When she's saying like, you didn't even let me say goodbye. He's like, oh man, I messed up. And, and yeah, when he's doing that really anxious action thing, like, well, you want to stay in the tower? You want to, you want to stay in the tower? It reminded me of Felix Biederman on Chapo Trap House has this great point about just anxious dudes in the world and how they don't know what to do with their energy.

Like, what? What do you want from me? What? What? What? Like, that's how I feel about Beast here. Yeah. I mean, he's feeling guilt, but he also has to be like, no, you're going to do what I tell you, but I'm still offering you something nicer.

Yeah, yeah. So I'm trying to sell it as like a command rather than, know look at i'm gonna bring you somewhere nicer and uh there's something too in a lot of these uh this section of the movie bell has like an almost superman like wisp of hair in the front sticking out that kind of moves around a bit it helps her come off as is really harried in this moment yeah she's often like brushing back a little wisp of hair yeah yeah and uh she's following the beast to her new room uh she's spooked by some gruesome statuary lumiere is trying to break the mood here improve the mood uh say something to her nothing is being said here except you know the castle's your home now you can go wherever you want which is pretty nice yeah uh except the west wing what's in the west wing boring monologues yes written by aaron sorkin whenever they say the

west wing i'm just thinking of man i wish that was associated with something else yeah oh god i hate that yeah it's a west wing it's very boring it will ruin democratic politics for years it really did uh yeah bell's like what's in the bam cut off it's forbidden it's forbidden yeah man and the way it cuts to you're all close up with them. And then when he cuts her off with like, it is forbidden. Like, it's far away. Like, the camera has been shoved away by Beast's angry body language, too. And he lets her into the bedroom.

Lumiere is trying to find ways to improve the situation. And he says, invite her to dinner. And the Beast, being very tactless, says, you will join me for dinner. And that's not a request. That's not a request. Yeah. Again, this is an anxious, nerdy guy being told, like, hey, don't you like this girl? Why didn't you ask her out?

You look, I got to go. Bye. You want to go out? Okay, look, I got to go. Bye. Yeah. And then just like in the original story, the original story is like they have dinner every night until she agrees to marry him yeah so it's kind of adapting that idea in a way but yeah bell's not even happy about this upcoming dinner she throws herself on the bed and abject misery and we pull out from the

castle through the snowy weather and we faded on the village where we push it on the tavern and gaston not very happy uh this actually brought him down being humiliated in front of the entire town his surprise wedding plan didn't pay off go figure all these surprise weddings work out so well usually man yeah he's well because he is the he's basically the ruler of this town yeah everyone worships him his wall of fame and trophies is amazing I love the portrait of him, like his giant portrait and much like his bag of pelts, his giant chair also is just like, almost like an

Ed Gein style collection of corpses. Yeah, this giant chair and throughout the upcoming song I like the action of him just like turning himself around angrily. He's like, LeFou in the song is trying to be like, let's cheer up Gaston but he just wants to stare at the fire morosely. You know he's in a bad mood.

Not even more beer will cheer him up. Yeah, more beer. Oh, why bother? Yeah, he's like, it's more than I could bear. More beer? No, why? This is fun. This is a whole lot of fun wordplay here.

And basically LaFou turns Gaston's big stupid chair around, and this is when we get the song Gaston. No one's big like Gaston, a king big like Gaston. No one's got a swell cleft in his chin like Gaston. As a specimen, yes, I'm intimidating. I'm what a guy like Gaston. He finds a rush, he, he trails, he picks! Gaston is the best and the rest is all to rip!

Noah! Fights like Gaston, does his life like Gaston! In a wrestling match, nobody fights like Gaston! For this Noah is curly and brawny! As you see, I've got biceps to spare. Not a bit of him scraggly or scrawny. That's right. And every

last inch of me's covered with hair. No one hits like Gaston. That hits like Gaston. In a spitting match, nobody spits like Gaston. I'm especially good at expectorating. Tui! Ten points for Gaston. I'm especially good at expectorating tweets. Ten points for Gaston.

Villain songs are normally the best songs in the movie, and this one is no exception. I like this one so much. And apparently when they were auditioning actors for LeFou, they had them all sing Take Me Out to the Ballgame. Because it's just like, take me out to the ballgame. It's a very like, this is a drinking song. Wow, yes. You can see the mugs being swung back and forth. Oh, man forth man yeah i didn't even think of it as so similar to that but yeah i i just wrote down like rousing bar ditty but yes it's so yeah yeah i love every every bit of songs

one of my all-time favorite villain songs all of this like joking praising for an asshole like that's why it's it's so funny and eventually they have to they convince gaston to sing his own song like first it's lafou fawning over him and then everybody else like yeah no we love this guy and then finally gaston's like all right i am pretty great lots of amazing lyrics in this one i love ashman working in these uh very interesting words like expectorating oh yes yeah god every everyone yeah especially good at expectorating him breaking the belt with his neck is such a great shot too and then he bite he'll later chew on that belt like it's a chunk of tobacco and uh and also the chesty girl from the opening returns that's who the guy

is talking to when lefou takes the belt off okay okay and uh do we see boxers there too i forget yes we do okay that's that's number two that's number two but yeah like i love the the progress of the song where it's like the first part of just lefou singing alone where he's like it's so i'm so sad to see you like this and then the the rest of the bar joins in, and then eventually Gaston is like, you know what? I do rule. And he's got to basically get into a giant brawl to get back on his feet. He's got to juggle the eggs.

And yeah, this song is great. And I'm glad there's a drinking song in this classic Disney movie. Another of my favorite shots, too, is when all the four guys at the table grab LeFou, and when they go like no ones like pulling back even farther on the no ones love that i bet i bet that uh andreas deja was happy he didn't have to draw that all that hair all over him in every frame oh yes yeah man oh i that's another my favorite too and he says like uh every last inch of me covered in hair

he gives a little wink when he says every last inch wink is covered in hair that's a really fun little bit there also i noticed speaking of cheeky bits you can notice in the background during the song the trio of gals are like shaking their hips to the song too as well you you gotta look in the background for it but they snuck that in there oh and another my favorite lines in a wrestling match nobody bites like gaston meaning he's a cheater yeah yeah actually yeah we'll see that later in the movie but he's he's like a bad sportsmanship in this fight to the death yeah yeah he constantly stabbing people in the back like he's and so when you know that he bites like as don and

same when they say like oh yeah nobody matches wits like s don which is just shoving the chess board over beating up the guy uh no it's great it happens at a perfect time in the movie once there's just like downbeat moment where it's like well bell is imprisoned and maurice is uh in a spider carriage and the beast is sad well here's a fun drinking song but that's about about like boosting the villain sometimes i think like boy well if i only ate eggs all day would that really do it for me i think it'd be mostly diarrhea and salmonella well you know what i do know the from listening to community commentary podcast later as the series of community went on the lead actor on a joel mckayle got huger and huger was he was he thinking he was going to be in a marvel movie uh well he actually almost got the drax role which

batista the pro wrestler plays wow i think he was building up his body to get that role and they joked that he on the set would only eat boiled eggs like unseasoned boiled eggs just over and over all day and that's what gave him his huge muscly body that he grew into i think it'd make you pretty farty too yeah probably yeah but i guess uh all they said that that's all he ate on set i would guess he probably had a a secret meal kit uh otherwise you know i guess the castan is eating the raw eggs just like the old bodybuilder thing yeah yeah i could go you know, an unseasoned boiled egg. They're pretty good. But yeah, his full posing on his like, he goes through the three, like three different

classic bodybuilder poses when he says, roughly the size of a barge. And he almost has to like catch his breath in the shot. When he goes bargege you can see this crazy like one frame facial animation him just kind of spouting out air yes it's very cool so good man yeah also i use adlers in all of my decorating another great hey roger ebert loved that that line we heard that before that's right uh so again like operetta style storytelling maurice comes in to break up the song, raving like a madman about this beast who locked his daughter away in a dungeon.

Of course, they laugh at him. They should. And they're asking, look, is it a big beast with a long, ugly snout? He's like, yes, actually. Yeah, you're right. With a long, ugly snout. That's a great line. Yeah.

And Gaston says, oh, we'll help you out. And they literally help him out by throwing him into the snow. That's a great, great, you know, very clever play on words there, Gaston says, oh, we'll help you out. And they literally help him out by throwing him into the snow. That's a great, great, you know, very clever play on words there, Gaston. And Maurice acting crazy gives Gaston an idea. Crazy old Maurice. Crazy old Maurice. Lafou, I'm afraid I've been thinking. A dangerous pastime

I know But that wacky old coot is Belle's father And his sanity's only so-so Now the wheels in my head have been turning Since I looked at that loony old man See, I promised myself I'd be married to Belle And right now I'm evolving a plan. If I tried to get out of this, then we got out of this.

No, would she? I can't do it. Guess. Now I get it. Let's go. I love how dumb he is because he whispers his secret plan to LeFou, and then he goes, no one plots like Gastonon takes cheap shots like gaston then he goes his plans to persecute harmless crackpots like gaston so he's like i'll whisper

my secret plan then i'll sing it out loud for the entire bar for the whole bar yeah that's so great god i just i also i love crazy old maurice like such such a big thinking and also just like a dangerous pastime i know he's not used to thinking so funny you know what i i love uh so they they dance for the final lines of this gaston song uh uh gaston and lefou and it's fun to pair up this very large character with a squat character as they like waltz around uh it's so funny he has to bend over all the way to pick him up and and then when it turns like uh and at my wedding, they'll all be celebrating. And it's him and LeFou acting out walking down the aisle together, which is very funny. I think LeFou is gayer in this than he is in the new movie.

I think so, too. I think he dances with Gaston for longer than he dances in the 2017 movie. I think you're right. Yeah, man. Oh, God. And also, classic ashman style gaston starts this song sad ends it with his plan to trick bell into marrying him and i guess too you know speaking of other ashman stuff there's a little of the dentist in gaston for sure i think

so yeah yeah he doesn't have the opportunity to date and abuse bell yeah yeah he's a big uh toxic masculine jerk very similar in that way and who uh also causes his own death in the end too yeah i guess then a song it's him uh singing about like who he is and why he's a badass and yeah kind of has to be coaxed into that but he eventually does yeah both of them are full of uh crazy brags that actually show you're awful. Yeah. He gets off on the pain he inflicts. Yeah. Though Gaston, well, actually, no, I was going to say Gaston does brag about killing animals,

but not finding a pussycat and bashing in its head. Poison guppies? Sure. So we pull out from the bar. Again, they're taking advantage of the digital technology. We can pull out from the bar through the window. In the snowy weather, we see Maurice looking for Lauren saying saying will no one help me no one help me and we're back in the castle bell is meeting all the enchanted subjects uh mrs potts comes in to offer a spot of tea which is her job

bell backs into the wardrobe who is alive this wardrobe does not have a name no what the hell man just wardrobe yeah though this definitely feels like a smart decision that Belle is really scared of this beast guy. And so she needs two women to tell her like, hey, but really, he's not so bad. I know you might be worried. You're thinking the worst about this beast that's holding you captive. But we're all women here. So let's just tell you, you don't have to worry too much all these clocks and candles and stuff they're all vouching for him yeah yeah hey you know let us we he's actually a pretty good guy our master oh i'm i'm glad you

think your master is so great i guess we do uh oh my lifetime of servitude yes yeah i would think at least one of these people would be pretty mad at him i'm like you know he should if you'd have let that a beggar woman in we wouldn't have been turned into all these things for years. You're a jerk. We have so many rooms. So they're trying to cheer her up. Chip does his little bubble trick, which is basically like a little kid blowing bubbles in their milk. Yeah, which is funny.

I like her saying, sorry. And Mrs. Potts is, you know, trying to build Belle up by saying, oh, you were very brave. And she assures her everything will turn out all right. She's right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is a happy ending. But then she says, you know, look at me jabbering on. I got to put supper on the table.

So, yes, it's dinner time. The wardrobe is excited to dress Belle for dinner. And she says, let's see what's in my drawers. That's quite a line to say and then a bunch of mods fly out which that's a good parody of the i guess it's kind of like the opening your wallet moths comes out things but but she does find a non-moth eaten little pink number for bell to wear oh man is bell has some gorgeous dresses here you know the library is the nicest bit but uh she's got a real good uh she's got a real good thing going here.

How many weddings happen with somebody in this bell dress? Oh, man. How many quinceañeras? I'm sure, yeah. I mean, didn't we just, the people weren't there wearing literally the bell dress, but we just went to the Palace of Fine Arts, and there were more than one person getting their photo taken at it in a very nice dress. Yes. That was Belle-like.

Belle style. But yeah, I mean, we're not quite in the iconic yellow dress where we're getting there. And yeah, Belle thanks her, but she says, I'm not going to be going to dinner. And they tell her, you have to go to dinner. But that's when Cogsworth arrives with his dinner is served. Yeah. What a great little, he's just a happy little butler now and man in the in the next bit when the beast is talking with a candle i just love how

lumiere's like if you consider she might break the spell of course i have it's just like hey you do you like this girl yeah of course i do you asshole like duh yes the beast is very impatient in our next clip here what What's taking so long? I told her to come down. Why isn't she here yet? Oh, try to be patient, sir. The girl has lost her father and her freedom all in one day. Master, have you thought that perhaps this girl could be the one to break the spell?

Of course I have. I'm not a fool. Good. So, you fall in love with her. She falls in love with you, and poof, the spell is broken. We'll be human again by midnight. Oh, it's not that easy, Lumiere.

These things take time. But the rose has already begun to wilt. Oh, it's no use. She's so beautiful, and I'm... Well, look at me! Oh, you must help her to see past all that. I don't know how. Well, you can start by making yourself more presentable. Straighten up. Try to act like a gentleman.

Ah, yes. When she comes in, give her a dashing debonair smile. Come, come, show me the smile. But don't frighten the poor girl. Impress her with your rapier wit. But be gentle. Shower herier wit. But be gentle. Shower her with compliments. But be sincere. And above all, you must control your temper.

Oh, man, that's also great. I love when he says, she's so beautiful and well, look at me. Like, he kind of puts his hand through his hair and then looks at his hand. And then presents his hand like well look at me like i'm a monster yeah and he's turning into more of an animal every day to the point where he does not use a spoon later yeah i love he's walking on all fours pacing around and then when she says act like a gentleman stand up straight he then just stands up like a dog like he's he's like stay he was told yeah he's like pacing in front of the fire like a dog.

Yeah. And then after the scene, the door opens. The beast thinks Belle's about to enter, but it's Cogsworth. Not happy to see Cogsworth. Oh, man. Yeah. Oh, and also when he said like, give us a big smile. And it's just this scary smile that he has of him bearing his fangs.

So great. What a great drawing. And she wants to know know or he wants to know well where is she and cogsworth he tries to stall but he eventually has to admit uh she's not coming and then we hear what he explodes out of the room pounces up the stairs starts banging on the door very forceful and angry pots lumiere and cogsworth all shaking their heads like god he's never gonna get it he's too angry. This guy, he's been alone. Like, my bachelor friend has been alone too long.

He's really failing on this blind date I set him up on. And they plead with him, like, please be a gentleman. Yeah. And he says, but she's being so difficult. Oh, man. That's also what a great choice this was. They could have cut back and forth to show you Belle, but this is so much better that it's be it's the whole time beast reacting to her voice behind a door and just the

way he like gestures to the door and goes like like uh i love it we're gonna hear we're not gonna see the great animation but i just love him on the other side of the door just trying to reason with her but he can't keep it under control and this is when pot says you know gently gently so he tries a new approach as best he can in our next clip here will you come down to dinner no suave genteel it would give me great pleasure if you would join me for dinner. Please. No, thank you. You can't stay in there forever.

Yes, I can. Fine. Then go ahead and starve. If she doesn't eat with me, then she doesn't eat at all. Oh, dear. That didn't go very well at all, did it? Lumiere, stand watch at the door and inform me at once

if there is the slightest change. You can count on me, mon capitain. Well, we might as well go downstairs and start cleaning up. Yeah, I really love after his first angry request and she says no. like looks at the cast of subjects and he's like see what i'm dealing with here see i'm trying yeah uh you guys you can't

play me i'm trying here guys but man i just i also love when he says please and she politely passive-aggressively says no thank you yeah man and the tantrum acting like the incredibly childish tantrum he gives like then go ahead and starve and just his scream on that he throws his arms out like oh love it love it i also like well i think when he asked like if you would join me for dinner like the hair is raised on his back like an animal like an angry animal oh he's so pissed off man but then you know i also think like this he then storms off to his room and basically like starts stalking her on social media like yeah well she going to a party without me is that what she's doing i saw you like the picture of me on the mirror at 2 a.m what's going on there why'd you visit my linkedin page well what's going on yes

uh they make a lot of jokes in the commentary that i'm surprised they kept on the official release they make jokes about like the beast must do a lot of pooping in here it must smell really bad because the west wing is not only where he keeps the roads it's where he's like at his most animalistic so he's like eating prey in there he's shitting in the corner yeah on the corner of course exactly yeah no this is what the director said not me oh that's so funny my mind didn't even go there but the director is like yeah that's true though i guess as a beast he could take himself out for a walk and just poop in the woods when he needs to what if you're depressed yeah it's true the way he is so sad he probably is just piddling in the corner yeah i

guess but it is kind of creepy he's like show me the girl it's like you can just peep on the bell if you want to with this that's weird but i guess he only wanted to do that to feel bad. Like, then once she says, I don't want to know him at all, then he's like, I thought so. She hates me. And another petal falls from the rose. We see it's not the first one. So his 21st birthday is coming up. Oh, boy.

It's not going to be a fun blowout like most of ours were. That's, you know, again, Beauty and the Beast is one of my favorite stories, too. And, like, the equivalent of it in Marvel Comics is also one of my favorite stories too and like the equivalent of it in marvel comics is also another of my favorite uh characters too like the thing is also a beauty and the beast style guy like he even has the big blue eyes of the beast and and the thing in fantastic four is he's right under spider-man as my favorite guy and they though they go even more obvious with his beauty and the beast thing they actually gave him a girlfriend this is like 50 years ago they gave him a girlfriend who is blind i was gonna say she's got to be blind it's a blind girlfriend but don't worry they they have

much more sensitive portrayals of her currently than they did in the 60s she's blind and her hands are numb so she can't feel the rocky exterior no she actually is a she's a sculptor a blind sculptor yes perfect which led to better but better writers later were like oh that proves that see i'm not blind i see you better than anybody because i've sculpted you from memory so it's very sweet yes but that's alicia masters with uh with old ben graham blue eyes thing yep so uh later that night bell is peeking out in the hallway, seeing if the closest clear, seeing if the coast is clear rather. And she leaves her room.

Lumiere abandoned his post to make out with the, uh, the feather duster. Those curtains are not catching on fire and it confuses me, but Hey, yeah, it's magic fire. Yeah.

Let's say that. Well, it does burn a guy later though. She says, uh, I've been burned by you before. That's funny. Yeah. It's, uh, it's cute. You know, no've been burned by you before. That's funny. Yeah.

It's cute. You know, no means no, Louis B. Aaron, when she says, no, yes, no. But I guess we're functioning with old French movie style, no and yes. Yes. It's this Randy Frenchman. It's all in fun. Yeah. See, Cogsworth is an Englishman should have learned.

This Frenchman is far too horny to stay on guard duty. He shouldn't have left him there doing it. You can't trust him when there's a woman around. But yes, I've been burned by you before is a very funny thing to say. And meanwhile, Mrs. Potts is ushering Chip into bed with his brothers and sisters. Again, that always confuses me. Yeah. With her child army, she puts them to bed.

Who all care. Well, I mean, I guess normally they just hang around to do nothing like so it's not like they're serving people all the time the be our guest song is about how much they love serving people and they haven't in a very long time yes this movie uh through a marxist lens it's kind of messed up like you mentioned earlier it's like we only live to serve royalty and we're sad that we can't do it in our proper human forms but yes the the oven is suddenly a character the oven is pissed off i love that his hat his chef's hat is also like the stove pipe of his head it's he's really cool yeah uh it's like one of two appearances of the oven in

this movie very very brief he's very fun though cogsworth really wants to blame bell for all of this uh like he says you know he even said please, what does she want? What does this bitch want? Jeez, yeah. Although Cogsworth is also smart that when Potts is about to say the spell and reveal that it's a magic spell to Belle, he cuts her off like, splendid evening,

isn't it? Yeah. And yeah, Potts underlines the fact that, yeah, the beast needs to control his temper. That's like the root of this matter. That will resolve things if it can get his temper under control. So Belle enters the kitchen. Halfway through the film, Cogsworth finally gets to introduce himself. Lumiere, but Lumiere slides in front of him immediately and lays it on very thick, like mademoiselle.

Kissing her hand like there's no tomorrow, man. I guess he hasn't seen a human woman in a very long time, I suppose. He's been kissing dustbusters for a long time. She's shapelier than a feather duster. I don't know. A feather duster's pretty shapely. But yeah, I also love the little acting on Lumiere's butt is kind of like shoving away Cogsworth so he can't interrupt the kisses. He's got to maneuver around his pointy butt.

Yes. And they want to know, like, how can we make you more comfortable and she confesses to being hungry and mrs potts is very excited stoke the fire break out the silver wake the china wake the china that asks a lot of questions there too yeah and cogsworth doesn't want any of this to happen because he thinks the beast will be pissed off he's like okay just get her a crust of bread and a glass of water lumiere says but she's our guest she's not says, but she's our guest. She's not a prisoner. She's our guest. Yeah.

And that's when, you know, we'll keep it down. But he also says, but what is dinner without a little music? See, all of that keep it down stuff, that works better when it's, it actually does wake the beast when it's Maurice, I suppose. Yeah, yeah, that is true. Because apparently the beast is sulking so much in On Mirror Book so long that he doesn't even see or hear any of this happening. Yeah, yeah, that is true because apparently the Beast is sulking so much on Mirror Book so long that he doesn't even see or hear any of this happening. Oh, yeah, yeah. Or if he does, he just goes like, I don't care.

So, yeah, we have Be Our Guest. Be our guest. Be our guest. Put our service to the test. Tie your napkin around your neck, sherry, and we provide the rest. Soup du jour, hot hors d'oeuvre.

Why, we only live to serve. Try the gray stuff, it's delicious. Don't believe me? Ask the dishes. They can sing, they can dance. After all, Miss, this is France. And a dinner here is never second best. Go on, unfold your men, you'll take a glance, and then you'll be our guest. We our guest, be our guest.

Beef and goop, cheese soufflé, pie and pudding on flambé. We'll prepare and serve with flair a culinary cabaret. You're alone and you're scared, but the banquet's all prepared. No one's gloomy or complaining, while the flatware's entertaining. We tell jokes, I do tricks, with my fellow candlesticks. Put it all in perfect place that you can bend. Come on and lift your glass, you've won your own free pass. To be our guest.

If you're stressed, it's fine dining, we suggest. Be our guest. Be our guest. Be our guest. Yeah, okay. It's a good song. Amazing song. But again, I think I've seen my vest too much because I heard that not first, but more.

Look, I get it. But it couldn't exist without this but it's a great sequence no as as a kid it was my favorite song uh today probably beauty and the beast is my favorite song or gaston but this is close to it like it's such a great party song like all now that we've done the renaissance so much they each of them have the party song under the sea friend like me i can't wait to be king and i guess the upsy daisy song and uh topsy turvy topsy turvy yeah yeah those are those are all the party song but this one is so much fun like it's just so big all these anthropomorphic things going around and thanks to their 3d technology they can stuff it full with so many

things and they get to just make this a performance yes we're like it's like the rare song in this And thanks to their 3D technology, they can stuff it full with so many things. And they get to just make this a performance. Yes. It's like the rare song in this movie that is just a performance for a character. Oh, man. It just, yeah, like we proudly present your dinner. Like, oh, what a great song. I think we like sung this in school, too.

I think we were singing Disney songs in school at some point. Like some kind of like uh winter summer concert it was like all disney songs and this is one of them obviously if it was like 1994 you'd be including this one i mean that's uh if i'm a music teacher that's how i'm gonna get kids to pay attention in my class for sure yeah i uh let me just say in the disney parks this is one of the most like present things in all the disney parks the be our guest song in particular like for one thing if you go to the red rose tavern in disneyland you can have the gray stuff gato which is uh this is the description and i've had it it's it's a tasty little treat white chocolate mousse red velvet

cake and a raspberry center all on a little uh little cracker type thing i thought it was supposed to be like pate in the movie that is what it's supposed to be but they turn it into a dessert that's much better than torturing a goose but so yes that you can have that at the red rose tavern which i believe got a renaming in fantasy land to make it you know red rose from from disney or from the movie meanwhile the magic kingdom they go even bigger you can go to the be our guest restaurant which creates the entire dining hall and you can eat in it like it's that huge yeah i mean how lucky were they to stumble upon this uh i mean how many times has be our guests been used in like

every disney marketing thing ever like for like especially around this time like for disneyland disney world like we want you to be our guests. Man, you're so right. Yeah, they use this in so many things. Like, yeah, I... And also, to speak to how well done this is, they redid this whole sequence of Be Our Guest for that PhilharMagic ride that's in the park. It's not as good. Because they do it all CGI,

and, you know, it doesn't age as well as all of this. Yeah, it still looks amazing. I mean, some of the CGI in this is a little old little old uh but how good can a plate look really if they made a plate now and it looked that's true but that's that's why they don't show it that much that's why like the eiffel tower forks is very limited which the eiffel tower built in 1887 so yes not uh not correct there were other towers but yeah the everything the dancing in the 3d the the and when he says beef ragout cheese souffle pie and pudding on flambe that is what the four things are the dance by as well it's yeah man the dishes and cutlery all dancing around the fucking the beer

stein spitting beer back into each other though if you think about that uh too much if they're all just all puking into each other's mouths just all these different dudes puking into each other uh i like the little like torch song bridge where lumiere is singing about like life is so unnerving for a servant who's not serving he's not whole without a soul to wait upon and uh it's like the good old days are gone the snow falling from the sky is salt uh cogsworth being very annoyed uh by the end of the song he's been won over he's like he's dancing like lustily i love it yeah with his tongue hanging out of his mouth it's like he got drunk during the song yeah i love that he's when he's trying to be a spoil sport they that's when they like put him

uncomfortably in the spotlight and he's like um where am i where am i i gotta get out of here yeah and uh the big finish with lumiere uh all of the CGI candles, they bend upwards through a huge line. We zoomed through them. And he does this kick dance without feet. Yes. Yeah. Oh, God.

The way they have to have his bottom part stick out more. He's like, course. Bye. Course. Also, all of the candles flipping up to reveal him at the end. Obviously, this has been a reference to tons of classic musicals but it made me think of big gay al song that we just did in in the south park movie oh you're right which reveals his penis at the end of it that's right okay i guess it was

a reference to uh this or that just that general like musical move in general just it could be like a bunch of like legs lifting or whatever like like hats going up or something i think it's like hats or maybe like giant feathers moving away but uh oh and the esther williams routine that the spoons do that's a lot of fun too and he's using it's very cute he's using like a match as a cane and like the candle snuffer as a hat you know to do a little dance and also i love uh that angel landsbury she gets a little bit of the song too she gets a verse like uh that she's uh oh heaven's blessed is that a spot we'll clean it up we got the company impressed yeah they really like the guest yeah they i gathered hey bart is right it's catchy i love too the the in the uh My Vest, Angela Lansbury in that one shows up to say, like, kill two for matching clogs.

That's her line. But, yeah, that was Be My Guest. Man, the big group shot at the end of it, I think, is even more impressive than the one at the end of Under the Sea. And right up there with Friend Like Me. Friend Like Me is, I'd say it's slightly more challenging because it's more like animals and stuff instead of just, you of just plates and glasses that they're easier and forks that are easier to repeat, I think. Yeah. Still. I remember seeing the finale shot of this song in all the commercials because I saw the commercials way more than I ever saw the movie.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. What a gift to commercials to end it with. Be our guest. Boom. I think I will. Yeah. Let's go to the theater honey so the song that

have you seen the jerry orbach singing at the oscars uh i think i have in my lifetime but not recently they performed it at that oscars right yes yeah because uh i said in the history but three songs there's five nominees and three of the songs from this were in it. They didn't perform Beauty and the Beast that way, but they basically did the bell song, the opening song, most of it, 80% of it, and then Jerry Orbach comes out and sings it and he does a whole kick line at the end for the course by course. It's amazing.

That old man's kicking his feet up in the air? Yeah, yeah. He's pretty lively even then at like 60-something. Nice. I'll have to check that clip out again. The song raps. Cogsworth has really changed his tune. But then he points at his face saying, look at the time.

Now it's off to bed. Good joke. But she can't go to bed. This is her first night in Enchanted Castle. Cogsworth laughs at that idea, but a fork runs by him, proving her point, basically. I loved her going like, oh, you revealed it. She's like, I figured it out myself, guys.

I'm not an idiot. Like, come on. So Cogsworth is a bit reluctant to let her look around, but she sweet talks him into giving a tour. And Cogsworth is giving the tour. He even has the cute tour guide jokes, like if it ain't paroch, don't fix it.

Love that. That's how I live my life now, man. I write funny jokes to say around a bit of history. Also, Howard, I love that that's how i live my life now man i write funny jokes to say a bit of history i well so how are i love that you for a second think it might not work on him when she says like oh i bet uh you know everything about the castle actually yes i do yes she can tell what this guy's all about oh yeah yeah uh cogsworth uh you know walking through the hall of the uh suits of armor they're all turning their heads to look at Belle. She passes by and he goes, as you were.

And they all turn their heads back. Yeah, and these suits of armor haven't seen a lady in a long time. Yeah, they're lonely. But yes, he's going on about the flying buttresses, but he realizes he's alone in the hallway because he was just going on for too long. But so Belle is taking this opportunity to creep away to the stairs. Cogsworth and Lumiere jump in front of her because she wants to go to the west wing but they try to say oh it's dull it's dusty it's boring don't go there and they try to figure out a place for her to go next and Belle perks up at the mention of a library so arm and arm Cogsworth and Lumiere just march

off towards the library by talking about how great it is and Belle's like that's my chance yeah it's west wing time I love the shot of them bounding off together. Though, at the very least, Lumiere puts that library information in his back pocket to be a good wingman for Beast later when he needs that information. Show her the library. So Belle, again, walking through this hallway full of creepy statues. She passes a shattered mirror.

Really cool. Yeah. Oh, that's why Cogsworth and Lumiere have to dance away because it's serious time now no time for joke characters uh we'll like bell will see the shattered mirror she'll let us see the slash portrait so it's like this guy does not like seeing himself i wonder why i love this shot of her introspective face like what she's like moving it back up to see what he used to look like and i like how the audience doesn't get to see it like should we could tell that she is seeing the fixed portrait as she lifts the canvas but we don't get to see

that yeah it's denied us until until we get to see his uh conventionally attractive but boring face at the end of the film he's pretty boring but uh she's in the west wing her attention is drawn to the rose of course it's a magic floating rose yeah i i pull my attention she lifts the bell jar before she can touch the rose though the beast appears he's very angry but he's not like attacking bell he just like clutches the bell jar he puts it back on it's like don't touch this yeah he's like you almost know what you did like i mean if she did destroy the rose that probably would have ended the spell right there i was watching very carefully of like okay he doesn't actually like physically touch her or shove her but he gets so close to it by tipping over tables and stuff near her that you can definitely see that she rightly is fearful for

her physical safety yeah i guess like they're not intending to say this the one thing the one bad thing i think you can take away from this movie is if someone is as abusive you could be like well they they don't know how to express their love or they're they're caught up in their own bullshit and i i have to get through to them it's like if someone is throwing furniture around your apartment uh honey get out of there yeah get out which she does yeah she does do that but yeah that doesn't mean that like oh this guy's smashing up furniture he just feels so passionate about things like yeah that's why it's a fairy tale yes yeah yeah that's the boy don't apply this to real life folks yeah uh let's hear trouble in the west wing why did you come here i'm sorry i warned you never to come here i didn't mean any harm do

you realize what you could have done stop get out Get out! No! Get out! Where are you going? Promise or no promise, I can't stay here another minute. Oh no, wait. Please. Please wait. or no promise i can't stay here another minute oh no wait please please wait so we talked about it in the first part but yeah the whole like stockholm syndrome thing uh it's bullshit uh i think because she says get out you're allowed to leave yeah she does and then she leaves again later yeah she fully this is her leaving she can choose to return or not like from this point on it is her choosing to be there like yeah i don't i i don't love the stockholm syndrome thing i mean i really

love the shot though when after he screams get out the second she leaves the room you can see his rage turned to sadness of like i did it i fucked up oh man and also another proof that she's a perfect disney princess she can run down the stairs and put on her cloak in one's fluid movement those princesses have to deal with a lot of stairs yeah very big staircases in dresses yeah yeah in long dresses and they have to in a fluid motion put on a shawl while moving too but yeah i mean she's like promise to know i gotta get out of here but like it is snowing really hard like she's gonna freeze to death too out there let alone the wolves i don't know how far away this is from uh the village but she jumps on philippe who was always there

uh we find out that he's like taking good care of and um human again but he gets freaked out immediately like they don't waste a lot of time because the wolves are just on on her tail immediately yeah man they've been waiting those wolves have been waiting i mean it's a pretty Like they don't waste a lot of time because the wolves are just on her tail immediately. Yeah, man. They've been waiting. Those wolves have been waiting. I mean, it's a pretty cold winter. If you're a wolf, you're like, there's something to eat. Here's one foolish thing that isn't hibernating.

Time to rip it apart. And this one shot they do of like Philippe running towards the camera with the wolves behind him. It feels a bit like the Lion King's Will the Beast Stampede. Yeah, it feels a bit like that. Yeah, it's a good like the lion king's uh with the wildebeest stampede yeah it feels a bit like that yeah it's a good like scary tracking shot and also the design of the wolves they're slightly cartoony but they're mostly just scary you know yeah yeah so they chase philippe onto this frozen pond he falls through which is kind of terrifying but he makes his way back out you can see one of the wolves was not so lucky like oh man like yeah this is a dangerous place to be yeah the uh the the again i'm reminded that like how good of swimmers or horses well because

they're they have gigantic lungs that are basically a balloon they float really well so yeah he gets out of there but yeah bell her hair is loose in this too which makes this like extra like wild and scary but also kind of hot everyone's hair comes loose when it's uh go time like even gaston his hair comes uh unribboned so bell makes do a clearing is surrounded by wolves she falls off philippe he gets his bridle stuck on this tree branch uh so such great stuff too like yeah now she can't she can't run away philippe's gonna be just left there to be torn apart by wolves but she she's not going to let that happen. So she stays there to help him and is swinging at wolves,

but they're going to overwhelm her like she's dead. She's about to die. She hits one with the stick to get it off of Philippe, but one grabs the stick and breaks it, so she's kind of screwed. But that's when the beast appears at the right time, and I love how this fight between him and the wolves is kind of clumsy. He's not a superhero. They're hurting him. he is fighting like a clumsy enraged animal not like like a sleek killing machine or not like a trained fighter he's just like animal rage when there's

like a dozen wolves all over him just biting him all over ripping at his cloak like and he's he's in so much pain but yeah i mean that is again one of my favorite shots from as a kid too because i was like oh this scary monster is on your side wouldn't you want that like isn't that kind of attractive in a way like oh this big scary monster is my friend and he's gonna protect me i like this guy like that i can see i can see why people fall in love with the beast in moments especially if they have a wolf problem yes yeah no one do anything about these wolves when he's holding up that wolf and uh like growling back at it i'm like oh man that's cool and he definitely

kills one by throwing against a tree that wolf is dead well it's not getting up no yeah it's he fortunately we don't have to watch him kill all the other wolves but yeah yeah he gets ripped his ass apart by them wolves they get scared away uh his arm has got a serious gash in it he looks at bell pleadingly before falling over oh that sad look in his face of just like uh it almost it says like i'm sorry for how i acted and he's also like hey at least i saved you i'm glad it's him checking she's alive with his last ounce of strength. And also him going like, you know what? I might just be dead.

Eh, fuck it. And he just falls down. You know what? This is a real test moment for Belle. If she really hated the beast, this is her chance. Like, okay, beast, you're dead. Thanks for saving me, loser. I'll leave you to freeze to death out here.

Or just die of your bleeding wound. But yeah, she takes him back on philippe's back to the castle and then we fade back into uh basically her treating his wounds like he wants to lick his open wound like an animal but she wants to clean it with the hot water oh man it's so great that he's he's going between acting like an animal and then acting like a little kid moving his arm out of the way for her to touch it with the washcloth and i love this little back and forth of like whose fault it was yeah and for a second bell is the upper hand he has to like stop himself he's like well well well if you if you didn't do this i wouldn't have done that yeah oh so good yeah but that that also is a very 80s rom-com kind of thing yeah like oh i think

see there this is just back and forth harry met sally kind of stuff it really feels like that i there's one thing that b says where uh while bell is listening she looks at the camera and like her eyes go wide she's like fuming like you just said that oh yeah it's a really great piece of animation like a little wilder than i'm used to seeing them animate her but yeah this nice back and forth yeah very bickery very like rom-commy but then they you know kind of have a peaceful moment and she gently thanks beast for saving uh her and he says gently uh you're welcome yeah and so no snide back and forth there he's like you're welcome he genuinely appreciates it they got over their bullshit and this is when uh tony j enters the picture let's hear tony j in his 45-second role. I don't usually leave the asylum in the middle of the night,

but he said you'd make it worth my while. I'm listening. It's like this. I've got my heart set on marrying Belle, but she needs a little persuasion. Turned him down flat. Everyone knows her father's a lunatic. He was in here tonight raving about a beast in a castle.

Maurice is harmless. The point is, Belle would do anything to keep him from being locked up. Yeah, even marry him. So you want me to throw her father into the asylum unless she agrees to marry you? Oh, that is despicable. I love it. If no one will help me, then I'll go back alone. Is that everything? I don't care what it takes. I'll find that castle and somehow I'll get her out of there.

I think we mentioned it before, but the scene with Monsieur Dark is a lot like the Coachman scene. Meeting with Gideon and other guy. Even the bag full of coins. Yeah, yeah. Like in a smoky tavern. And they're drinking just like in Pinocchio. Man, you're right. Yeah, I think then this is to such an extent that And they're drinking just like in Pinocchio. Man, you're right. Yeah, I think then this is to such an extent

that I feel like it's an intentional Pinocchio reference. I think so. Man, the animation of him rolling the gold coin against his cheek and then putting it towards the camera and then gripping it in his hand, that's so good. Like, oh, the movement on that. Yeah, we love Tony Jay. I think one of his earlier roles for disney

before this uh he plays a sheer con and tailspin yeah yeah because that actor is not around anymore yeah you could do a great uh copy of it for sure yeah i mean he's he is sheer con to me the uh but man god every uh you want to see more of this asylum keeper which is like uh you know an evil government bureaucrat i suppose is what he is i think a fairly accurate portrayal of how mental health was treated in that time period just like we'll just shove you in a concrete box because we don't want to deal with you and hey it's kind of like that now yeah yeah yeah i except the state's not paying for anyone it's just like we'll let you buy a gun and roam the streets have fun man now i can't i can't remember the name of

it but there's that movie where jeff Jeffrey Rush played the Marquise de Sade who was in one of those French loony bins around the same time, and it's about him tearing his hair apart up to the end of the movie. But Hugh Jackman is in it. It's called Going Crackers. Kate Winslet's in it, too, and, of course, she does a nude scene because she always does in movies. But so does Jeffrey Rush, too, if you wanted to see his bare ass.

It's equal opportunity. Yeah, but also also you know boris barely misses them and i feel like he should consider bringing a weapon with him but all he does is bring his like maps and shit yeah at this point in the movie i'm like seeing how he gets ready for this journey to the to the cold woods uh i'm like boy i think he does need somebody to take care of him. Yeah, definitely Belle is right when she asks later to be let go because she's like, my dad is fucking dead without me. When she checks on him in the start of the movie with the explosion, it's like she just left him alone for like 20 minutes and he nearly killed himself, you know?

Yeah, he needs some help. He's not prepared. Yeah, he needs a weapon. He needs like a coat maybe. Fortunately fortunately at the end of the movie it turns out that he has tons of servants around him for the rest of his life so he'll he'll live pretty comfortably for the next five years tops i'd say at his age yeah they'll throw him in the wardrobe when he passes uh so yes uh as soon as he leaves this is is when Gaston, LeFou, and Dark enter the house. LeFou's like, oh, he's not here.

Let's just give up. Well, let's head home. Too bad. And Gaston is committed. He throws LeFou into a snowbank and says, don't move from that spot until Belle comes back with her father. And he does stay there for about 20 minutes of the movie. Yeah, he becomes a snowman. And when you see him the next time, his nose is a different color, meaning he's starting to get frostbite out there.

But he knows Gaston will murder him if he doesn't do this. So he's better just stay there. Yeah, I guess there's no reason why he needs to be in disguise. But he does. Yeah, I suppose. Well, I guess the snow just falls on him when he goes, ah, nuts. Yeah. And he just gets this, I guess I'll become a snowman now.

I'll be undercover. Yeah, yeah. So at this point, we have to ask ourselves an important question. Is this before or after Belle and the entire castle subjects defeated the evil pipe organ voiced by Tim Curry? Right. That's the inner quo. It happens during the Christmas season.

And that's, I love the Beauty and the Beast sequels because the story's over. He's not a beast anymore. So it's like, what if other things happen that we didn't show you so during the the something there in in that part of the movie that is where the second movie happens the enchanted christmas that's so silly because i mean the something there song certainly shows like a couple other scenes but it's it's vague enough that it could just be like two days you know but or it could be an entire like month or two of winter time but i think defeating forte the evil pipe organ brought them together and we're not seeing it on the screen

that's what finally taught them man i've not seen that and then they wanted to do a whole other side tv series like that's the other one that's on there it's really just three episodes of a canceled TV show are those three episodes like within the continuity of the film I believe so I believe it's her in the place when he's still the beast their hands are tied because Maurice going back out to the castle has to give them like a limited amount of time to bond because otherwise Maurice is going to be like dead you You know, they can't just say, Maurice wandered for years through the woods. You know, it's why it's really smart in the later ones. You know, Aladdin leaves them with a lot of the characters intact

that they can still have a whole TV show's worth of adventures. Well, meanwhile, Lion King, Tarzan, and Hercules all have years-long gaps in between parts of the movie that you could set a TV show. That's true. I don't know what they're doing in that Lilo and Stitch show from 20 years ago. Oh, that's also after. Okay. It takes place after, but then they just basically say, oh, Stitch had all these other experiment brothers,

and basically it's a monster of the week, and you catch a different experiment. They added, like, Pokemon to that show. Yes. You at the very least have to watch the the kids in the hall reunion episode they did of it it rules it's also very gay yeah i love it i forgot because kevin mcdonald was the voice of one of those guys yeah he's uh basically he's in a gay relationship with uh with the big monster man the little monster guy is with the big monster guy and then basically his parents come to town his mom and brothers come to town and they're trying to force him to marry someone he doesn't want to marry and he's like no i'm happy as i am now wink wink and and of course

scott thompson is playing his mom in his canadian mom voice That's great. Dave Foley is the priest, and Mark McKinney and Bruce McCullough, they are his two brothers. And that's on Disney+. It's all on Disney+. Yeah. It's a great, if you're going to watch one episode

of the Lilo and Stitch TV series, watch that one. It's all about catching those cousins, apparently. Yep, yeah. The Stitch cousins. And then, of course, by the third one,

they have to make up a girl Stitch because they're like, no, we need another girl in this thing. look for someday we're gonna do we're we're so disneyed out at the end of the summer that it'll be a little while but we'll take a little break someday we're gonna do lilo and stitch i and i can't wait yes we still have many of these movies to cover believe it or not so we're back at the castle bell is walking through the snowy courtyard they've just just cleaned up Forte's mess. Yes. Celebrating Christmas.

Oh, that was a relief. She's daydreaming, walking Philippe. He kind of nudges her to snap her out of it. And the beast is watching her. He's clutching his... Watching her play with a footstool dog. Yes. I just love that she's like, oh, this is all just normal.

A footstool is licking my face like a dog. Oh, aren't you cute? She's really gotten used to it. But the beast is clutching his wound, looking at her, saying, I want to do something for her, but what? And Cogsworth mentions usual things

you get for a woman, including promises you don't intend to keep. That's so great. That's a joke for daddies in the audience. All the dads are like, and also I guess for moms can go like, that's right. That's what my husband does.

That's what your father does. These poor 90s married yes yeah marriage is about lies that's what it is uh lumiere slides in as he usually does in front of cogsworth with a better idea yeah hey he's you know he's his bro watching out for his bro helping him with the with the inside track on what she's into yeah and i like uh you know compared to his interactions with the with bell before like how gentle he is with bell like leading her into this room with both hands he tells her to close her eyes he's finally wearing a shirt too that's right yeah put on some damn clothes he tells her to close her eyes he like waves her waves his hand in front

i like how he bites his lip with anticipation before he opens the door that's very great and how daintily he takes her hands to walk her in and that also shows like the bell is really starting to trust him that he's like uh now close your eyes and you know before this monster who she feared would rip her apart she's like yeah i'll totally close my eyes in front of you i trust you like uh and this whole library by the way this led to a very interesting plot point in BoJack Horseman's fifth season. Oh, really? Yes, actually.

Well, I'll never get that part. It's the bell room, if you guys want to know. But watch it yourself. The folks who know know, and it's a great scene. But he leads her in. He pulls back the curtains. He lets her open her eyes. She sees the entire wall of books but he's still insecure

about it he's like you you like it's like he's surprised like he wasn't sure but yeah this little plan worked lumiere is very happy chip is confused by all this adult activity yeah these the kids in the audience going like what's going on i don't get this they're someone hit lefou again i'm surprised they didn't have a kid actually just say, I don't like this mushy stuff. Like, Chip actually warms up to the romance stuff in the end. He actually kind of likes it instead of going like, yuck, kissing. Which that was most kids in movies like this back then. That's why I was warned away from it.

Like, this is a girl movie about kissing. Yep, yeah. And you're gay if you liked it. So we get a fun little scene of them eating porridge where the beast is just gobbling it down animal style. And, you know, Belle's using a spoon like a normal person. And Chip kind of nudges the spoon towards Beast. He grabs it just with his fist,

and he can't get it into his mouth. So Belle kind of compromises all in this dialogue free scene by gently lifting the bowl and drinking from it, and he'll do the same. So it's like, you're not ready for spoons yet let's meet halfway that's so sweet like the the look on his face of like trembling as he's reaching out with his giant paw like and and yeah it i i would say the equivalent is a dude who's been a bachelor for the longest time is like you know i make the macaroni and cheese in the pod why am i putting

it in a bowl i just eat out of this pod why dirty a bowl the one bowl i bought from targets uh somewhere yeah who am i putting on airs for then somebody comes over you're like ah crap i i need a second bowl i can't just eat the macaroni and cheese out of this in front of her none of those bowls have personalities but it's now we have the song Something There. There's something sweet and almost kind. But he was mean and he was coarse and unrefined. And now he's dear and so unsure. I wonder why I didn't see it there before. She glanced this way I thought I saw

And when we touched She didn't shudder at my paw No, it can't be I'll just ignore But then she's never looked at me that way before New and a bit alarming Who'd have ever thought that this could be true. That he's no Prince Charming.

But there's something in him that I simply didn't see. Really great song. Telling a story. Showing the passage of time. Maurice wandering in the wilderness during this song but i like uh the choice that they are think singing because they're hiding their emotions from each other yeah and that's a great choice and i thought robbie benson somebody was singing for him but no that's him they're just not putting that filter on his voice for this song because his internal monologue is not the with all the growls on it oh man i yeah i love this song so much like

him his internal monologue is him going like and when she didn't shut her at my paw but then he talks himself out of it like no she couldn't like me but but there maybe is something different and meanwhile bell is having to tell herself like new and a bit alarming yeah like the look on her face of like this feels crazy but i think i'm falling in love with the monster man this does feel what would my god say about this this seems like i'm breaking the laws of mother earth yeah that yeah the way she sings that uh that line uh when she goes a bit alarming uh before uh when she was doing the singing she didn't put that pause in but ashman was like no no no you have to put that pause in he was doing this directing from his bed and he like he did the the line for her to show her how because she's got to like

pause for a second to think of like the word she wants to use yeah that's that that direction makes all the difference on it you know i i know this came up in The Little Mermaid, too, that some actors didn't love being directed with such a strong hand as Ashman's, as others do. But I think he makes the right calls most of the time. He does. And we were talking about The Little Mermaid, how everything made after that is a reaction to it. And this feels that way, too, because even though it's about a man and a woman falling in love and kissing and getting married, it ends with a wedding like in Little Mermaid yeah Belle's got a little more zing to her she's throwing snowballs at the beast there's like it goes from her like showing the beast how to like coax birds nearby to feed them out of his hands and then snowball fight yeah it's really cute yeah

I love when her second snowball hits him as he has the giant snowball like him amassing his giant snowball but then when she throws the second one he just drops it on his head oh man and also what a great metaphor she's teaching him how to get little birds to come up to him as like as she is starting to get closer to him too yes uh birds that are not shot in this movie the shot of him covered in birds is so cute yes that's great picture so much it's i'm falling in love with the beast as yeah it's like uh and like the look on his face like oh i'm doing it like when he actually succeeds at feeding the birds wow this bird is starting to like me how nice uh the enchanted objects are all very happy uh they even see there's something there that

wasn't there before yeah and they also they thought they were gonna have to trick her but they're like wow i who'd have thought and who'd have known uh we were gonna use deception uh chip is confused i'll tell you when you're older this is when the doors shut on beauty and the beast and then um they're reading together in front of the fire what a what a good couple of pals they are and that's where when the door shut that's where human again goes and then when the wardrobe jumps into the fountain, the splash cuts the splash of the beast being scrubbed in the tub. So it fits in there very neatly.

Yeah, it works good. That works good. Earlier in the movie when Lumiere says, then we'll be human again in no time. That must have been leftover foreshadowing of the song they cut. It feels like it. Because whenever I hear that now that I know about the cut song i'm like oh it's probably a reference to what we will hear what we should have heard later and yeah i love the coat rack uh giving this huge beast a

dog bath basically it's he's like a two he's a two large dog in a two small tub and he's completely naked i love i yes i love that he's this giant woolly monster being like washed up and probably his first bath in a long time. And just, yeah, his impossible woolliness. I guess you needed to see too, like, no, he's hairy all over. This is a giant hairy monster man. Yes. Let's hear about the big plans happening tonight. Tonight is the night.

I'm not sure I can do this. You don't have time to be timid. You must be bold, daring. Bold, daring. There will be music, romantic candlelight, provided by myself. And when the moment is right, you confess your love. Yes. I can't. I, I... No. I can't.

You care for the girl, don't you? More than anything. Well, then, you must tell her. Voila! Oh, you look so... so... Stupid. Not quite the word I was looking for. Perhaps a little more off the top your lady awaits

i love his little like uh announcements yeah he's so excited yeah i uh and also the beast has like the mane full of ribbons but they just give him one sensible ribbon in the back yes a lot of men wearing ribbons in this movie tying back their hair i think it is meant to look like the cowardly lion when he gets all made up at the emerald castle you're absolutely right about that yes but he doesn't like i and he's very flat stupid like yeah it's so funny uh and yeah and again he is fully naked in this you see him like the the towel is being washed on his butt which i guess meanwhile we're not seeing bell get ready but she's being put into like this insanely intricate dress when when she's changed out of the dress at the end when she leaves the castle next scene i'm just thinking like that had to take 30 minutes to get that thing yeah

there's got to be like girdles and trusses and all kinds of mechanics moving around in there. Fortunately, she's got a big strong dresser that can tie up that girdle nice and cinched up. Yeah. So yes, this is when we get the titular song, Beauty and the Beast. Just a little change. Small to say the least. Both a little scared Neither one prepared

Beauty and the Beast Ever just the same Ever a surprise Ever as before Ever just as sure As the sun will rise Tale as old as time Tune as old as song

Bittersweet and strange Finding you can change Learning you were wrong Certain as the sun Rising in the east Tale as old as time tame as old as time, song as old as rhyme, Beauty and the Beast. And I realized that upon watching this and thinking about the 2002 cut, it's like three songs almost in a row. There's something there, Human Again, Beauty and the Beast, like back to back with like 30 seconds of dialogue between them that might be a bit much because the this has more music than a little mermaid but it's not as much

music as something like little shop of horrors which is like feels to me like 65 to 70 percent music yeah yeah this i think human again right before beauty and the beast is too much like i think i think something there that wasn't there before is the great lead into the big love song and if you have a little comedy song in between those two then it kind of lessens the uh romantic uh feeling you have like yeah it's building romance to the most romantic dance sequence there ever was in a in a disney movie probably because like bits of something they're playing behind the bathtub scene so it's like the song is still kind of petering out. And then it starts with Beauty and the Beast right after that.

And yeah, iconic sequence. We'll talk a lot about it. But Jeffrey Katzenberg loved this song so much that he wanted more verses. And Ashman had to say, unless I rhyme something with yeast, I found every word that rhymes with beast. That's so funny. Like a certain as bread is filled with yeast. Rising with some yeast. yeast oh he already used rising in the song too so he can't man that's uh that's so funny yeah he used every possible word

that rhymes with the east yeah but i guess jeffrey recognized uh what could be a hit and it was because celine dion her first like uh i guess breakout hit in america even though it's with pebo bryson oh yeah yeah this was her first big big hit in America, even though it's with Peebo Bryson. Oh, yeah, yeah. This was her first big, big hit in English language stuff, I think. And hey, if you go to Fieldwork Brewery in Berkeley, try the Peebo Weizen. It's a dark beer. It's very good. It's named after Peebo.

Yeah, I love that song so much at the end of it, though obviously it's also just kind of in the shadow the radio version is in the shadow of the the american tale song that also had the radio version somewhere out there somewhere out there yeah i mean i they they served a function but i never liked the contemporary pop versions of these songs you know i like them as the song you hear exiting a movie theater yeah but it is not a replacement for but it's only because back then they're like well obviously we can't play the cartoon song on the radio adults aren't gonna buy that as a single we have to have real grown-up adult contemporary people singing it meanwhile i feel like when frozen got big there was never a thought of like well no we're just

gonna play let it go yeah yeah it's just the song we don't need to grow up let it go i'm glad we've evolved yeah i just associate the the pop version with like being at the orthodontist or something just like the light fm and hearing like all of these contemporary pop adult hits the light fm uh but yes uh very very great what can we say about this without you know underselling it again the beast acting is so great yeah they can do more with him because the acting on bell is a little more reserved because she's got to be very pretty but i like again he's very anxious but then when he sees bell he's like oh she looks great like he's very excited but again uh the nervous guy at prom that's the yeah the communicating the insecurity of him is so great because like he's afraid to dance but he's got to like show him like put your hand here and i'll put

my hand there and like he like then he has another like like i'm doing it expression on his face once he gets started dancing no it's yeah i i love every single second of this like i think really i loved every scene in this movie but i do recall the the reason i begged my mom to take us to that second theatrical screening of it uh alongside newsies was to see sequence again, like to see it on the big screen. So your mom was like, my little boy wants to see the ballroom dancing sequence. You know, I probably just said, well, I just like it is all. But yeah, I mean, begging, honestly, your son asking to go to see Newsies should also probably ring alarm bells. But no, I mean, I love every bit of this.

Like when the Beast is he actually is showing like growth that he's is eating with the spoon and even has his pinky out and the way she gets up from the table and goes like no let's go dancing like oh right there's like a little dinner uh before the dance and she has to like pull him away like yeah but like he's still not fully human because he's like holding the spoon kind of strangely but he's still got more control over it he's doing better but man just yeah again my hats off to baxter like this is like masterpiece stuff like this every angle of it all the moving around like just my favorite bit is is like you said him slowly losing his insecurities like there's an audible gulp like yeah like when he

when she puts his hand in his but also like because the physical intimacy she's giving to him in this dance is like he was completely unprepared for that he's like oh she wants to be this close to me like it's first he gulps when he puts her hand in his hand but he really is shocked of like she takes his giant hand and like here just put it right on my waist yeah it's fine he's like really okay like and then like towards the end of the song when she puts her head on his chest he like looks surprised over at cogsworth and lumiere and they're like yeah yeah go for it man whoa yeah see this she loves this like yeah which i mean who wouldn't want to nuzzle their chest in

his his big chest it looks soft i mean also a like uh props to them for not having any gags in this i mean you can consider the gulp to be a gag at one point lumiere kind of nudges cogsworth saying hey look at this yeah but it's not like uh heaven's light a song i love from hunchback it's like it's supposed to be the moving song but uh there are gags in it because they're insecure they got to throw some gags with the gargoyles and they they use a much lighter touch here. Yeah, it's just so gorgeous with the incredibly high ceiling and the paintings of the cherubs moving around. Having too many jokes in here or any real jokes would really take away from this.

This is not the time for jokes it's time for angela lansbury to sing a sweet song about how people fall in love and like barely even friends then somebody bends unexpectedly neither one prepared like just god all her lines she gives so much extra to this by by her singing it does feel like a timeless story yeah that's why i like uh her version more than the pop version it's because i like the the gentle old lady talk singing and not like the belting out a big ballad you know yeah but then for people bryson i guess that makes him the beast in the song when he's sitting back with it there's some there's some politics to that i think we don't want to discuss you know there's uh there's an snl sketch of the this exact scene too from the last few years i i hadn't seen uh in a while but the joke in the song is that the beast thinks that the beauty and the beast song he's the beauty and she's the beast

and she's like well and it's just then kristen wick going like what what you think i'm the beast he's like well you know i like girls a little more meat in their seat you know i'm just saying so they did a beauty and the beast uh parody that late yes yeah and his his well it might have been when the new movie was coming out okay that made the timing of it better because my wife nina and i were looking up sound of music sketches and they did one like in the 2010s and we were like what, what? Wow, man. You know, in that Beauty and the Beast sketch, Esnail spent a lot of money on the makeup and stuff. Like the Bill hater is Lumiere. It's a crazy outfit they put on him.

And that's why Bob Odenkirk complains about all the time. They just spent all the money on costumes, not on funny. Yeah, it's crazy. I just heard a funny story from our pal Tim Kalpak is on a podcast talking about how they did a sketch for Donald Glover paying Lando Calrissian. And Tim Kalpakas got to play because he helped write the sketch. He got to play Max Rebo in the Max Rebo band. And he had to play like a near movie accurate costume in it that was like suffocating him.

And he was getting like claustrophobic in. That sounds great and also terrible at the same time but hey we're not talking about max revo we're talking about yeah just their three-dimensional movement nowadays you can fake it so easily with just you know 3d models spin around you're not animating in 2d anymore or even if you're drawing in 2d you can have better 3d models to, you know, visualize it from every angle. But Baxter, like you said, he just has a thing in his brain that he can just do it. Yeah, I don't think it was planned out with even like very basic models in the room.

I think it was just him and his brain and him knowing where the camera was going to move. And I didn't time it, but it feels like 20 25 seconds of the movie there's the very big shot you remember then like a smaller shot after that yeah and then that's kind of it like it's much smaller than you remember but it's still effective enough to be like in every commercial what everyone talks about yeah you know again i love this song so much that when i eventually go to walt disney world i'm gonna have to eat at the be our guest to see the ceiling the recreations of the ceilings and everything up there and apparently there's extra rooms in there like you can be in the big room but also there's a side room that has like

the torn picture in it and it's the the west wing version as well i want to eat in the den when i want to eat i use the den uh so we're gonna move on here and uh even chip is hard it's a little uh unmoving heart is warmed by this uh scene of dancing he's got to get one last peek at the couple before he's off to bed and lumiere's working with the other candles to turn down the mood light yeah i like him like bringing it down and like even his even his own flames are getting lower and yeah again great body language on the beast uh they're on the balcony, still a little shy. He sidles over, but grabs her hands. She's adjusting her dress. She's like, it almost feels like her going like, so you're going to say something?

Yeah. What's going on? Come on, I'm giving you an opening here. But he asked, you know, are you happier with me? And she says, yes. But then a look of kind of regret passes over her face. And she's looking off into the distance, and he wants to know what's going on. And she brings up, you know, I need to see my father.

I miss him so much. Man, the parents always getting in the way of these things. Yeah. And we see the beast thinking for a second. We see a moment of realization pass over his face. He's like, oh, there is a way. It's like, I've got this magic mirror. And he just very relaxedly lets her into the West Wing.

And he's like, here, let me, you can stand right next to the rose. Don't touch it. So Belle looks in the mirror and she leaves again in our next clip. This mirror will show you anything. Anything you wish to see. I'd like to see my father, please. Papa. Papa. No. Papa? No.

He's sick. He may be dying, and he's all alone. Then you must go to him. What did you say? I release you. You're no longer my prisoner. You mean I'm free? Yes.

Oh, thank you. Hold on, Papa. I'm on my way. Take it with you. So you'll always have a way to look back and remember me thank you for understanding how much he needs me oh oh so sad yeah and there's like uh some dramatic irony here because bell thinks well i can just come back and see my new friend but he knows like well i know this is a death sentence and i'm sacrificing my life so you can see your father i you don't know what this rose deal is i guess that he'll be a beast forever doesn't mean he's like dead but he yeah may as well be he'll he'll

live without hope and from this point on he's just suicidal like honestly this is like somebody saying like oh you really like that uh thing of mine you can keep it that should be your tell that the person's having suicidal ideation i mean the original story the beast basically slow suicides himself before bell shows up and it's like don't kill yourself let's get married see bob if i ever say like bob you can have my simpsons arcade machine and have it be worried you'd be scared would you notice if i took it out of your apartment yeah okay you'd have to well for one thing you have to dig really deep into my closet to find it. Yeah. That's in the March area.

March 2022. But anyway, yeah, the sadness on Beast as he lets her go. And that also proves that he does love her. He loves her so much that he actually lets her go, even though it means he could die. Like that actually proves he loves her even more than, uh, more truly than if he wanted to keep her there. Yeah.

I think it's that letting her go, which helps break the spell later. Like if he didn't do that, then the spell wouldn't be broken. I guess too. It's the old, uh, if you love something,

let it go. And if it comes back, blah, blah, blah, blah, which is what happens. So,

but I say, if you love something, keep it around, have fun with it. Uh, though. I also like the Cogsworth in is a joke comes in is like can't read the room boy it went pretty great got to say yes uh the beast has to tell him i let her go and he says but why he's like why aren't you thinking about me like come on i want to be a human again dude and sang a whole song

about his sad is because i love her and it's very sweet but yeah i like the cogsworth does the why why um so we cut all the castle subjects yelling at cogsworth he did what he did what that's also i guess that is also kind of a sitcom cliche too it is but i'll get it's 91 i'll give him this uh pot remarks uh pots remarks that bell uh left just as he learned to love, and Lumiere thinks, hey, maybe that can break the spell. Yeah, does that count? It almost looks like she should be looking around like, ah, eh.

But Potts, she checks the Air Bud rulebook, and it's like, no, no, no. She has to love him in return. It's not enough. That, I guess, is also for the audience. They're thinking, well, if you're like Lumiere, who thinks, well, there, see, he fell in love. He learned selfless love. Not enough.

Not enough for this jerk enchantress. He's just like, what more does she want, you know? Yeah, where is she? Is she keeping eye? Does she have her own mirror? Is she checking in on this? This all hinges upon someone else falling in love with him. You can't command people to fall in love with you.

Yeah, I mean, a worse story would be him going like, a bad person of version of the beast would have said like well so what you want me to be a beast forever and not love me fine i guess i guess you're a pretty bad person then yes but that's why he's the star of this movie yeah it's a sensitive beast so he roars and bell zooms off into the woods to find her papa within like three cuts she does and they're home in another cut so it's like the wolves uh they went somewhere else they're sleepy again hey you know what they uh be scared them away they never came back let's say that yeah they attack they attack very selectively

though maurice like is pretty close to death there so she she came at the right time yeah and uh yes she brings him inside uh LeFou is outside. He's already in snowman form, but he runs off to tell Gaston that Belle is back with Maurice. And Maurice is in bed. He comes to. It's a very happy reunion. And he wants to know, like, how did you escape from the beast? And she has to explain, I didn't escape.

He let me go. So that's surprising because all Maurice knows about the beast is that he is a horrible man who will lock you in a horrible beast that will lock you away for just sitting in his chair. Yeah. Maurice has to now wake up and deal with the fact that the guy that almost killed him, she's in love with him. And he's like, OK, all right. So I guess you thought I could change him, right? Yeah. I've heard it before.

Yeah. What? You know, I bet you could try to change Gaston. Why don't you try him? He's he's he's pretty handsome. It seems easier. He's already human. Yeah. You know, I bet you could try to change Gaston. Why don't you try him? He's pretty handsome. It seems easier. He's already human. Yeah, you know what?

I suppose sociopathy, though, is harder to change than a man from a beast into a man. You can shave that beast. So she explains that, you know, he's changed somehow. And then we see her little satchel starts bouncing. Chip is stowed away. That kid, the comic relief came home with him. Yes, with the magic mirror. Chip wants to know why she went away,

but she can't explain because this is when Monsieur Dark appears. Every time there's a knock on her door, it's bad. She should stop answering this door. Yeah, I agree. Go into another room where you can't hear it. But here's more Tony Jay because I clipped all the Tony Jay in this movie. May I help you?

I've come to collect your father my father don't worry mademoiselle we'll take good care of him my father's not crazy he was raving like a lunatic we all heard him didn't we No! I won't let you. Bill? Maurice! Tell us again, old man. Just how big was the beast? He was, I mean, he was, he was enormous. I'd say at least eight. No, more like ten feet. Well, you don't get much crazier than that.

It's true, I tell you. Get him out of here. Go on, me. No, you can't do this. Poor Belle. It's a shame about your father. You know he's not crazy, Gaston. I might be able to clear up this little misunderstanding.

If. If what? If you marry me. This is not a marriage built on love yes man yeah it's to keep to keep her father safe but you know what this is the reverse of the beast scenario beast locked up her dad and she offered herself not the beast the other way around this is gaston's gonna lock up her dad and gastonon is like, so you're going to marry me? That's when she's like, no, I won't. You're grosser than the beast.

Yeah. And he's taking the choice out of her hand. She can't offer it. He is making her do it. Yeah. Yeah. She refuses. He says, have it your way.

She's like, he's not the monster here. You are. Yeah. Oh, that's later. Yeah. But hey, it's a very on the nose line that I like. It is. But she runs in to get the magic mirror to show everyone this is what the beast looks like.

She says, show me the beast. Bad move on her part because it's like, yeah, you were freaked out when you saw this guy for the first time. And now he's roaring in sadness. And that's all they're seeing is this huge creature roaring. Oh, man. When I was a kid and saw her walk out with the mirror, I definitely had the feeling like you're gonna kill they're gonna kill the beast don't do it no she she knows the beast much better than they do all they see is exterior which is the problem which is the moral of this movie and uh she pleads with the townspeople no he's actually

kind and gaston is just like oh i think you got feelings for this disgusting creature what were you doing in there i didn't know any better yeah he's he's he uh you know gaston is wrong but i i get the instant reaction like when she first got there if somebody said she didn't believe it when the other uh talking furniture was like no he's not so bad really she didn't believe it either i guess it's slightly ironic i mean she's not a bad character but it's like well she probably understands like oh i get it now yeah he's a scary beast oh right he is a scary beast. Oh, right. He is a scary beast. I stopped recognizing that.

And that's when, you know, you get the, he's no monster, Gaston, you are. And, you know, this is all being lit by torchlight, this scene. Gaston is looking especially evil here. And Gaston says, you're as crazy as your old man. And he works up the crowd into a frenzy. He says, I say we kill the beast. And that's when we get the mob song. Through the mist, through the woods, through the darkness and the shadows.

It's a nightmare, but it's one exciting ride. Say a prayer, then we're there at the drawbridge of a castle. And there's something truly terrible inside. It's a beast. He's got fangs, razor sharp ones. Massive paws, killer claws for the feast. Hear him roar, see him foam. But we're not coming home till he's dead Good and dead Kill the beast. No, I won't let you do this. You're not with us. You're against us

Bring the old man get your hands off me. We can't have them running off to warn the creature We'll rip the village of this beast! Who's with me? Fire! Fire! Light a torch, mount your horse! Screw your courage to the sticking place! We're counting on Gaston to lead the way!

Through a mist, to a wood, Right within a haunted castle, Something's lurking that you don't see every day! It's a beast, born as tall as a mountain. We will rest till he's good and deceased. Sally port, sally ho,

brandish fort, brandish woe, make the glory, here we go. We'll bring siege to the castle and bring back his head. And yes, that is the very cleverly named

The Mob Song. Yes, yeah. That gives me the sense of how Ashwin felt when he was writing this because I think it's the weaker song of yeah that gives me the sense of how ashton felt when he was writing this because i think it's the weaker song of the bunch yeah i mean uh it's it is very on the nose like the characters say like and we're scared and it's something that you don't see every day and we don't understand it and we're small-minded people but yeah it's yeah i mean it's mostly the men's chorus not enough Gaston on his own.

I mean, the animation is cool. The mob stuff is cool. The turn of the townspeople into evil, this evil mob is great. In all of Gaston's, when he's gesturing about with the mirror in his hand and the green lightnings going everywhere, like, that's really well done, too. Yeah, it's just really trying to make a more serious and somber mood where it gets dark where you know the the refrain of kill the beast kill the beast yeah also some of his posing as he's telling like with his hands and his claws with his paws and claws like that also feels like the posing of the headless horseman song when he's acting out when braun bones is acting out all the scary bits of the headless horse describing like yeah exactly i have that written down actually okay he's like giving the description of the beast and he's freaking people out i could totally see deja was doing that uh on purpose yeah and

there's like a little bit of a dialogue portion of the song where bell is trying to stop kastan and he gives her if you're not with us you're against us he literally says that now i definitely can see an easy parallel to draw here is with the fervor of conservative america over aids and gay people and all that i'm just like oh like we don't understand it will our children be safe think of the character basically says think of the children like they're gonna he's gonna eat our kids yes the children are always used for every evil cause when it's trying to uh you're trying to you know exaggerate the dangers of something like this could they're taking our

children they're you know they're grooming our children he's grooming our children with movies just like this one yes yeah so and this could certainly be used for that like here you have this weirdo who is a harmless weirdo who lives alone in his castle. And everybody's like, no, we got to, this guy can't even live in peace. We, we're sure he's a monster. So we're going to go to his home and kill him. And yeah, like I said before,

bell was correct. This group is a easily led lynch mob. She is right to hate this town and want to leave it. Yeah. She was not being unfair up front. In fact, she was being too charitable to this town. I would guess the guy running the library is not among them he's the one nice guy i don't know if we see him yeah we get a shot of chip kind of like peeking out from

behind the doorway to let you know like chip is still out and he still can do stuff even though bell is being locked away with marie's in the cellar i also love like it's a nightmare but it's one exciting ride like that's a great bit we're having fun with this nightmare and that line uh screw your courage to the sticking place is from mcbeth uh ashman made people think like what the fuck is this oh that's great yeah that's great yeah i think lady mcbeth has it i think it's a reference to like what you do with a crossbow ah right yeah it's uh yeah it's what you know lady mcbeth famously is is used as an epitaph for somebody like getting the courage to do an awful thing, like in being told to do it. But I, man, the, yeah, something lurking that you don't see every day. That also reminded me of just the Springfield mob singing a song too.

Yeah, they're very Springfieldian in this scene. Before the Simpsons was doing a lot of mobs. Yeah, I wonder if this inspired them to be like you know that mob looks pretty cool in Beauty and the Beast we should do that you know they couldn't draw the people let's make our TV staff draw the people every time yeah I mean they're again they're being creative they're being economical there are shots with a lot

of the people in it but when they can it's silhouettes it's shadows because it's not only cheaper and easier to do but it's also more like it can evoke a mood in a better way, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I got to say, as part of the mob, LeFou actually looks pretty dangerous and scary. Oh, yeah.

No, this is when he's no longer a clown. He's one of the deadliest members of the mob. Like, later, as he's cackling of torturing this candle man, he's just a full-on sicko. You shouldn't try to burn the candle man, though. You know, the wax is melting. He is just a full-on sicko. You shouldn't try to burn the candle, man, though. You know, the wax is melting. He is messing him up. It does look pretty bad for old Lumiere in that moment. And there's another

little dialogue section within this fairly long song. Belle is fretting in the cellar with her dad. They don't know what to do, but Chip's on the windowsill outside, but he sees the wood chopping machine up on the top of the hill. The way it lights, the lightning lights the sharp blade of the axe. They realize like, oh, I see.

And I like how in the process of this song on the way to the castle, they like cut down a tree and make a battering ram. It's like, we didn't bring one from home. Let's improvise. And the song is so rousing that it even gets a response within the song from the people in the manor too. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Back at the castle of Cogsworth, they're all like moping. They're saying we shouldn't have gotten our hopes up. Maybe it would have been better if she never showed up here. But this is when the dog footstool alerts them to invaders and croachers. Yeah. They think that Belle is back, but no, they're being invaded. It's dangerous. Cogsworth is raring for a fight, but he's spooked by the door closing when everyone else leaves before him.

You know, it also felt like it was written almost like it was supposed to be a song. And then they decided, no, let's make a dialogue. The line of like, take whatever booty you can find. But remember, the beast is mine. That's true. Yeah. I do like the here we come 50 strong and 50 Frenchman can't be wrong. That's good.

Yeah, it is good. I do like that. But yes, the Kill the Beast song is over. Should we call it Kill the Beast? It's literally called the Mob Song. Yeah, maybe they didn't want to have a spoiler on the track listing. Or the word kill, maybe. Maybe.

Yeah, but yeah, the Beast is too sad to fight back in our next clip here. Pardon me, master. Leave me in peace. But, sir, the castle is under attack. Kill the Beast! Kill the Beast! This isn't working. Oh, yeah.

We must do something. Wait. I know. Kill the Beast! Kill the Beast! What should we do, Master? It doesn't matter now. Just let them come.

Tell the Beast! Tell the Beast! Tell the Beast! Now! No! And then we get the action movie version of Be Our Guest, as all these guys are pummeled in a very Home Alone-style scene. And it actually reminds me of the end of Hunchback, because we have the serious conflict happening with Frollo and Quasimodo and Esmeralda,

but while that's happening, there's fun goof-em-ups with the gargoyles fighting off invaders yeah wow yeah it's actually very similar except in this the tea stands in for molten metal in the movie they actually are just pouring molten metal on guys and that is killing them mrs potts is only scalding uh you know invaders with your hot tea i would say out of all of the people doing stuff in this the only one who dies would be the guy who gets the dresser dropped oh yeah his spine is just snapped in two yeah that guy's dead everybody else there they're not dead but yeah this like you said this was used for a very deceptive commercial of the home alone action sequence yeah please look it up actually i think it might be in this podcast i forget which uh which flip i gave to our editor but it's easy to find if you don't know uh if it's not in this podcast and uh yeah the and you like you said the the be our

guest music is coming up behind it just so you know like everything's fun it's this is the last bit of fun before the ending kiss yeah it's like uh have some physical violence we have not hit hit lafoo in a while and and just like with uh the le poussin chef he gets his teeth a couple guys get their teeth smashed out too yeah actually my notes i have uh we have some le poussin style violence lots of lots of teeth damage lots of like conks on the head except it's dozens of french men instead of just one yes that's right they're really abusing the french in these movies it's the one group you can really abuse i guess in disney movies we hate them we everybody hates so uh we go back to marisa's place we're cutting back and forth between

the battle with the household objects to where gaston is and what he's doing to where bell is and also yeah the the chip in the uh chopping machine escape sequence yeah you know this is where i think there's one cut too many because, well, first off, the trunk that eats him and eats the guy and then burps, I think that guy is also dead. I think that guy suffocated in there. He turned into like a skeleton. But otherwise, yeah, Chip to the rescue, seeing this little armless thing be able to turn it on and drive it into the hidden and nearly kill Belle and maurice and freeing them that's pretty good it's such a fun sheet because apparently he he activated the entire machine and we cut back to him he's just blowing on the coals yes to get it going it's like how did he get everything else

moving i know yeah and it's it's very cute how he's hanging by his uh i guess his nose handle and saying like you guys gotta try this thing you know if maurice didn't pull them out of the way they would have gotten their heads chopped apart by an axe yeah and then exploded upon yeah that would have the sad story ends with chip uh dying with them in this horrible explosion after accidentally murdering them with an axe uh we go back to the castle we hear a wilhelm scream just in case you didn't hear it it's there yeah i mean it was it was novel then i hate when guys who are like in their 20s put in stuff now you're like come on yeah i lived through 30 years of will help screams 40 there's there's too

many of them now yeah though if i made a movie would i be tempted to just put it in there yes i would i would they would they would hide the will hum scream dot wave from you uh lots of things are happening in the castle lots of fun uh smash-em-up antics. Gaston is infiltrating further and further to find the beast. And then we have like beer steins are firing tomatoes. Potts is scolding this man with her orphans with hot water. The wardrobe murders a man by falling on him. Gaston is like looking through each room, kicking open the door and like looking in with his bow and then like seeing the beast is not there yeah so that's that's the one editing choice i think they made that i wouldn't have done or i i would have changed because i think they wanted you to be

reminded during all this action like oh but gaston's still out there he's not dealt with but i think it would work better if you just have all this cartoony action and then this shot of gaston comes before him opening the door on the beast like yeah you're watching him stalking the hallway and then opens the door on the these household objects let gaston just waltz up the stairs as they're taking out all the sillier french men like no he's the most dangerous french man they're too uh they're too obsessed with fighting all these other guys that they miss the very dedicated guest on who just walks right past him yeah after crushing that man's spine the wardrobe sucks in a man spits him out he's wearing

women's clothing he screams because he violated too many gender norms I mean it is quite a giant wig he has on as well which I guess you know was that kind of bouffant was the style at the time or at least for Marie Antoinette it was yeah Yeah, he is dressed like a March Simpson-y Marie Antoinette. Yes, yeah. Le Faux menacing Lumiere with a torch, and then he gets some extreme ass damage as Cogsworth slides down the banister, holding the scissors out towards his ass. Hopefully it doesn't go into the ass, but we don't know. It wouldn't be a cartoony action sequence if you didn't hear a, like, boink,

and then a guy jump up, like, yow, my butt! Belle riding towards the castle. I feel bad for this poor feather duster just getting, like, the feathers ripped out. It's like torture. Yeah, that is part of her body, isn't it? Like, oh, and the creepy way the guy's laughing

as he's plucking her feathers, like, ew. And Lumiere kind of, like, blows into his thumb to make his fire shoot out from his head and burns this man uh yeah that's that's a fun is and uh and Lumiere no look catches her too because he's so devil near and this dog stool uh gets them kill this dog yeah but it tricks them it goes into the pantry the men run to the pantry then all the knives rise out of the cabinets in the stove each a man one knife one man i don't want to be a knife but the stove the stove like belches fire looks like satan himself oh and that's when they just run screaming so i think that's the last of

lefou right yes yeah we don't we don't see him he's not invited to the wedding yeah and it appears the castle folk have won uh lumiere smooches Cogsworth like a Frenchman. He's disgusted, lightly slaps him. And he's like, bleh. And Englishman's like, don't kiss my cheeks. How dare you? So the little fun Home Alone-style action scene has ended. Yeah, fun's over. It's time to get back to the moping and the sadness.

Murder. Yes, murder most foul. Not fun, like goofy, like physical humor. Actual murder is going to be happening here. So Gaston has found the beast. He draws his bowstring. The beast just looks at him, looks back out towards the window. He doesn't care.

He wants to die. Not defending himself. And of course, that shows you Gaston is an asshole because he's like, I don't care that this guy's not fighting back. All the easier to shoot him in the back. Yes. Like he says in his song, he fights dirty. Yep.

And not only does he shoot him in the back, he pushes him through the window kicks him on the balcony to the roof below yeah because gaston is the way he's moving is like yeah i'm the badass star of a movie like this is my movie i'm meryl flynn when really he's just a bully like a horrible evil bully who's gonna murder this guy but his motions and action shows that he's so full of himself in his mind he's like yeah i'm the star i'm the hero aren't i the good guy like and just brutalize this monster yeah let's hear him fight dirty get up what's the matter beast too kind and gentle to fight back. Oh.

No! Belle. No, Gaston, don't! Let's go, Felipe! So yes, upon seeing that Belle has come back for him, he gets all of his strength back. Popeye-style surge. Yes. And there's green lightning in this scene,

and they weren't sure if that would work. They were just playing with the cap system, seeing, like, what colors can we do here? And they're like, hey, no one asked any questions about the green lightning. No, yeah, it works great for me. I never even noticed it was green. It was just like great dramatic lightning.

I just love, I mean, as a kid, I was so scared seeing Gaston picking up this club, walking towards this poor defenseless creature. He's going to bash in his head. Yeah, it's not even going to be an elegant fight. He's going to just bludgeon this beast with a piece of the castle he broke off yeah he's like ah fuck you buddy you're not even going to fight back and also just taunting him like too kind and gentle

like but yeah as a kid when he caught that and got up and growled at him I was like yeah yeah beast finally stick up for yourself yeah they grapple with each other across the roof the beast has the upper hand Clearly

There's a shot where like Gaston looks a little afraid When he gets his strength back When the beast gets his strength back Yeah This is like the first time Gaston has faced anybody Bigger than him

Probably in years In years Yeah And Gaston gets pounced down To a lower level The beast kind of disappears But he's amongst this like Line of gargoyles

He smashes one Thinking he smashed the beast But we see the beast is hiding in the shadows yeah you know what speaking of things again that were done in hunchback there was that bit in hunchback where we stick with tony jay's perspective as he's chasing after quasimodo and as well this is the same we're stuck with gaston's perspective as he's hunting down the beast not the beast yeah in the movie lots of gargoyles as well yeah yeah actually although if they don't spit water they're grotesque ah yes yeah we learned that from that one but here's the thing nobody cares and if you say that out loud someone will beat you up and they should uh and you see gaston's like murderous intent like he decapitates that one gargoyle or grotesque and uh just smashes its head off

thinking it's the Beast. Yeah. Let's hear more of their fight. Come on out and fight. Were you in love with her, Beast? Did you honestly think she'd want you when she had someone like me? It's over, beast. Bill is mine! Let me go! Let me go!

Please, don't hurt me! I'll do anything. Anything. Get out. Beast. Belle. Oh, man, that's so... Like, him saying, Belle is mine, that's what pushes Beast into, like, enough rage to kill him.

Yeah. Yeah, actually, you can tell the lip sync is off. He originally says, time to die. And it wasn't, like, a censor thing. They thought, including Belle, having him having him shot something about bell would be more effective than just saying i'm going to kill you yeah that's good because then it's not about him protecting himself it's also the beast knows that like

if this guy kills me then he's going after bell next and i have to protect bell like he's doing it for bell not for himself which is the whole point of his of this love story is for him to live for something other than him and it's a smart change but they couldn't change the lip sync but it's only you could if you only like stare at his mouth you really notice it's different who's looking that close to gaston's mouth i look at his eyes when he dies soon yeah yeah i i love i love how gaston crumples instantly being held up they They're like, I'll do anything, anything. Like,

yeah. Yeah. Uh, you like instant cowardice, instant fear of death and beast realizes, Oh man, the shot of beasts, angry scowl with rain dripping on it.

And then softens to like, what am I doing? Am I going to kill this asshole? You're not worth it. You're not worth a jerk. Get out of here. So the bell is up on the balcony of the West Wing. She extends her hand.

He climbs to her. I like the shot of his huge hand grabbing hers. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he climbs to the balcony. It looks like it's a happy ending, but no, it's a fake out because Gaston stabs him right in the side. I love how he pulls the knife out and kind of flips it. Oh, he's so cool. He's like, now time for one more blow to make sure he's dead.

And there's blood trickles out of there. Not a lot, but there's so cool. He's like, now time for one more blow to make sure he's dead. And there's blood trickles out of there. Like, not a lot, but, like, there's some blood. It's still a beast stabbing. He's about to strike again. That's why he flips the knife to get another, like, stab in. But then he loses his footing. He dies. It's his fault.

Yeah, and also that Belle grabs Beast. Beast would have fallen, too, so she saves his life. Yeah. And if you pay attention closely for a few frames there are little skulls in his eyes that let you know he's gonna die i don't know if i said that in the first part but uh they edited those out of the vhs release the original release yeah man i i spotted them in the in the hd version so that's good it was there i mean what are they wearing like that's not like uh you know not wearing underpants on jessica rabbit it's just it's skulls like that's just fun

yeah it feels like an odd choice to me i guess it was easy to do because of caps but also it's like that was their intent like a little cheeky thing to let you know no he's dead we can't show you his body hitting the ground but he's dead he's dead with a doornail nobody can fall this far and live like even if he hits water it's like his bones all exploded. Yeah. And it's all, like you said, all his fault. And it's the classic Disney villain death of falling to, I like, I think what, uh, a matter of months before this in the DuckTales movie,

the villain dies from a similar fall at that height. Yeah. Frodo falls, uh, lots of falling in these movies. At least though, with Fro, you know,

with let's say Frodo. Oh yeah. Well, you know, at least with, uh, with Gast let's say frodo oh yeah you know at least with uh with gaston you don't see him hit the ground with frollo you see him sploosh into the molten liquid he falls into molten like uh steel or whatever or lead yeah i mean he's extra super dead he is but yeah i but yeah hearing beast's sadness uh well when he first says like bill you came back like yeah i as a kid i couldn't believe I saw a dude stab him.

Like, yeah, it was shocking. Is this a horror movie? Let's hear the Beast's dying words in our next clip here. You came back. Of course I came back. I couldn't let them. Oh, this is all my fault. If only I'd gotten here sooner.

Maybe. It's better. It's better this way. Don't talk like that. You'll be all right. We're together now. Everything's going to be fine. You'll see.

At least I got to see you one last time. No. No. Please. Please. Please don't leave me i love you that's what does it oh man tear my eye that's uh i mean just his him saying it's better this way like maybe it's better this way if i'm just dead and not some beast with you and she's like don't talk like that like that's she's scared that he's saying like well you know i'm dead now she's like no no hold on hold on like uh the shot of her when he puts his hand up to her face and his giant paw around her face and

when she touches it like that's when it finally clicks for like oh i love this man like i i'm not into humans anymore yeah i love you and yeah just the single tear rolling down her face with the i love you like oh yeah it's me every time apparently uh the directors were just amazed by pedro hair doing this and when she finished this scene she like turned it off immediately like and and they're like well how did you do that she's like it's called acting like i'm an actor that's that's amazing yeah man that's incredible that's how good she is that's so good so uh yeah she says i love you the last pedal falls off all the household subjects are like oh we're done for this is it we're gonna be clocks and candles and lamps forever you see

according to the magic rule book saying i love you before that final pedal that's like the clock at zero but the ball's still in the air so if it lands in the basket it counts that was a clutch kiss yeah and uh bell cries and for some reason rainbow sparks start falling from the sky the beast starts to levitate and spin his body hovers but he slowly changes back into a human being what they didn't want to do is have the transformation happen off screen which is why you see every part of him transform it's amazing yeah it's amazing that he's flying up in the air you see him from every angle turning around the way the way the cape magically like kind of puts a straight jacket on him and it's the way his shoulders like pull at it you see his his paws become fingers his hind legs become just you know feets like it's and the light coming

out of it it's incredible yeah the facial transformation is great like how they figure that out to make that look convincing is really great yeah i'm glad they challenge themselves to be like no be cheap to do it off screen like do it in a cloud of like fog or something yeah we we've seen those transformations are just like uh you know the pinocchio is great but in pinocchio it is just a crossfade between the two designs like it's yeah it really is yeah yeah they they do cheat there despite all the money they spent on everything else everything else uh but yeah what i love about this ending and it's like i it feels like it should be obvious but i feel like it was subtle to me that uh he becomes

this beautiful man beautiful in terms of the movie and she's like reluctant to touch him and she doesn't actually believe it's him until she sees his eyes yeah it's like it's the point of the story she's looking look past the beauty yeah see see his soulful eyes and and also like yeah when i say the the handsome dude design is nothing special i mean actually if you look really closely his brow and his nose do match with the contours of the Beast's face. He does have kind of a heavy bridge in his nose as well that expresses the same kind of stuff the Beast does. It's not a lazy design. It's just the Beast is so cool looking. Yeah, the Beast is so cool.

Again, it's been said a million times, but I wish he'd have stayed the Beast forever. There's a generation of kids who were disappointed at seeing him turn into just a handsome guy that's why shrek thought they were so clever yeah yeah and you know who else was clever our pals at okko uh ian jones quardy and toby jones in their halloween episode they parodied this uh the character enid who is uh both a witch and a ninja uh her dad is a werewolf and on a full moon he turns into a human and his human transformation is a parody of this like lights come out of his fingers and everything and he turns into a super hot dude but but he goes like oh i'm hideous no no and his wife comes in like oh honey it'll be okay you'll be fine tomorrow like it's it's really funny they do it with all the lights

coming out of it and everything it's a really great parody i didn't know about this yeah check out the uh the halloween episode it's that one's also great because it works as a fun Halloween episode. It is a reference to the Scooby-Doo movie Ghoul School. Right, right. And also it is a long coming out metaphor as well that works really well. That's our lock of the week. Yeah, and the late Lucy Taylor is among the great places in it too. One of her last roles, I think.

Yes, yeah. Something about this reminds me of Disneyland because it closes every night with a firework show. Just like seeing fireworks in a castle and the fireworks are showering down sparks and that's transforming the castle it just reminds me it's very disneyland yes very very much so yeah it's again it's why call me a simp for the parks but i the only reason i'd go to florida right now is to see the orlando parks and see all the beauty and the Beast stuff they have built, especially there. They're about to have, in Japan they've got it, the Beauty and the Beast ride, which recreates a lot of this stuff. Maybe if they let me in, I'll finally go on my honeymoon. It uses the same trackless technology that the Rise of the Resistance uses.

Okay, I like that ride. And yet you get to see so many amazing audio animatronics like the bell and the beast one and it look incredible like yeah it i decided to watch just so i could speak on it more knowledgeably i watched a video of it it wasn't open when i was there last like you know seven years ago it's a newer ride there but i think it's supposed to come to uh orlando eventually but, it's an amazing ride. I'll be in Japan first. But then you're going to have to, you'll hear be our guest in Japanese.

Will they really do it in Japanese? It's all in Japanese. Hey, that's fine. I'm interested. I want to know. I'll ask my wife. It's a good translation. Yeah.

Actually, speaking of my wife, she pointed out how the beast becomes a normal human and everyone else becomes people who look like things. Yes. Yes. Yeah. They look exactly like themselves. that's true i i love when he hugs everybody like lumiere mrs potts we're back like uh man but again the way she is kind of weirded out by him by just a second like that uh should just been her going like change back yes please uh can we undo this spell can i say i hate you you're alive now i miss your

big meaty paws on me your hands are hardly as big as before bell won't live long enough for them to invent furries she's screwed it's true it's too bad for her yeah let's hear this fun reunion in our last clip of this episode cogsworth oh mrs potts look at us Cogsworth! Oh! Mrs. Potts! Look at us! Mama! Oh my goodness! It is a miracle! Ah, l'amour.

Well, Lumiere, old friend, shall we let bygones be bygones? Of course, mon ami. I told you she would break the spell. I beg your pardon, old friend. But I believe I told you. No, you didn't. I told you. You most certainly did not, you pompous, paraffin-headed pea-brain. Oh, God.

You, you overgrown pocket watch. Oh, take that. Stop shouting. Don't. What? Don't. Don't. Don't.

Don't. Don't. Don't. Are they going to live happily ever after, Mama? Of course, my dear. Of course. do i still have to sleep in the cupboard oh you oh you just like in hunchback the final line is a real stinker the last line in hunchback is like hugo yelling about the birds or whatever oh yeah that's right yeah yeah hey at least this has the the big chorus coming back in though though, where they're like, oh.

It lets you know you saw something special. Man, their kiss at the end, too. What a great kiss. Like, so passionate. The Little Mermaid kiss was a good kiss. But this one, their first kiss, and then the time cut of them together at what I assume is their wedding. Yeah, like, is it like he swings her around and the dress, basically cut, like, sweep cuts through a new scene? Yeah, yeah. And then their second embrace, like, they just are, like, smashing into each other.

They are so passionate. He's had a lonely 10 years, and he was a child for, like, seven of those years. That's true. And now he has a human penis again, too. Like, you know. That was another song they cut. Human penis again. Also, when, man, the, you know know lumiere looks like himself but that dust

buster lady oh boy duster lady looks quite different uh that's that's the number one smoke show of this movie the brief shot we see of the the the human uh duster feather duster and i love her teasing lumiere with it like he's like oh but but he gets cogged blocked by old cogs were cog blocked i like it yeah the lumiere i want him to be more handsome he's he like what you kind of look like a candle still yes yeah he's though i guess he doesn't not look like jerry orbach though you know he has we has kind of the deep cheekbones and stuff to to his face his nose is like usopp from one piece yes yeah it's it's quite a long nose. It's a Jughead-like nose as well.

Yeah. Yeah, but... Hey, I prefer Usopp. It's true, yeah. No way. Jughead's, like, Usopp's great, but Jughead's one of my favorite characters. Let's see them fight each other.

Man, who would win? Well, Usopp's a bit pretty cowardly, but Jughead's not a fighter at all, so I guess I'd have to give it to Usopp. Who could eat more hamburgers, though? I haven't seen that new Riverdale show. I assume Jughead's, like, at all, so I guess I'd have to give it to Usopp. Who could eat more hamburgers, though? I haven't seen that new Riverdale show. I assume Jughead's like a werewolf or something. Sort of.

He's dating, I believe my husband recently told me that Sabrina's now on the show and that Sabrina's old boyfriend's soul is in Jughead, so she's dating Jughead. Yeah, the show's crazy. That is weird. That is weird. But, yeah, it's a fun little last joke there and then just a big dance sequence and then the zoom out with hearing beauty and the beast one more time and the the stained glass of everybody's so happy and and yeah like you said

the dance scene is just from the end of sleeping beauty it's uh princess aurora and prince uh joey what's his name i don't know and i forget it's like he's so forgettable like yeah in sleeping beauty if we ever do it an important thing that a friend pointed out to me the last time i watched it all the way through was it's like at minute 40 the prince gets kidnapped by maleficent and put in a dungeon he never speaks again in the film ever really he doesn't talk again the rest of the movie no wonder he's so anonymous and there's scenes where he should say words and he doesn't and i was like no he must talk here and she just laughed at me like hi you fool he never talks i i couldn't believe it i've

never seen it but i know it's very pretty yeah oh and i mean maleficent top top five disney villain even without a great song she's got that film trilogy yeah now she's an anti-hero more so than she's a real Cruella but yeah this movie yes we don't need to tell you this but it's very good very and I might have even underrated it like that's why I never really watched it again in 30 years I'm like

yeah it's good it's just it's a fairy tale whatever going back into it I'm like no I'm dumb I should have been watching this every five years or so because it's great and again I think it's my number two uh of the 90s maybe i'll do my full ranking once we're done with all these it's it's just gorgeous at every turn even and when they have to be cheap they know how to be better at being cheap than they were at being cheap and like little mermaid or great mouse detective like in great mouse detective say when they go into that pipe for

a while i was like well i'll save some money but yeah in the opening to this movie i was like no this is just gorgeous stained glass i'm not thinking about how they're not animating stuff yeah i and every song is great there's even the mob song if that's the weakest song it's still a really fun song and a fun evil song and uh yeah i the the emotion of it is great and as far as romance goes like you know say in aladdin jasmine has some interesting stuff to her but it doesn't feel like it's an equal story for both her and aladdin it's really aladdin's story to fall in love with her i think it's why i liked it as a little boy and i don't like it as much now and and oppositely in little mermaid it's really just ariel Ariel's story and Eric's the guy she falls in love with but title it's

they're both names in the title Beauty and Beast's emotional journeys are equal in this and and both do go through something in it I think it's a really great story that's deservedly mature enough to be uh an Oscar nominated for best picture movie. And the villain is good. The side characters aren't annoying and they very well could be because it seems like there are almost too many comic reliefs here. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

But meanwhile, in Little Mermaid, I was like, really? Does she need Scuttle, Sebastian and Flounder? Really? Flounder's dead weight. Let's be honest. Yeah. But also this movie, even though clearly it's toyetic in so many ways, I'm not thinking as much as I am in the other ones.

Like, well, I see the toy here or the toy here. Like that ethos overwhelmed it so much by Hercules that it was just the joke. The joke in Hercules is like, yeah, we merchandise the shit out of these. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know what else to say. Thanks for joining us and thanks for signing up at this level to listen and our Disney summer will continue next month with The Rescuers Down Under and we'll see you then Oh, oh Oh, oh

Oh, oh Beauty and the Beast Well now, what shall we dress you in for dinner? Let's see what I got in my drawers. Oh, let's see what I got in my drawers. Oh! How embarrassing. Oh, here we are. You look ravishing in this one. That's very kind of you, but I'm not going to dinner.

But you must. Ahem, ahem, ahem, ahem, ahem. Dinner is served.