Talking Simpsons - Talk to the Audience?!? - April 2021

Episode Date: May 5, 2021

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I heartily endorse this event or product. Hello everybody and welcome to Talk to the Audience where this is always death. I am one of your hosts Bob Mackie who is here with me today as always. Hey it's apologetic former Morrissey fan Henry Geller. You've got a lot of explaining to do, Henry. In case you don't know, this is our community episode of our podcast where every month we talk about what's happening in the Simpsons world and in our world. And then we go over your questions and comments from the last month's worth of episodes.

If you're on the Patreon feed, this is the last episode of the month. If you're on the free feed, it's the first episode of the month. And of course, welcome to the podcast. A fun month of podcastery we did. I have so many. We had, like, three new guests this last. Oh, no, wait. One returning guest and two new ones.

It was a whole lot of fun. Travis Few, Mike Hanford, and Nick Weiger. What a month of stars. And some big guests to come, returning and new guests. So look out for that coming up. We've recorded up through the beginning of July now in terms of podcasting. We are deep into The Simpsons now, and you guys have some really great podcasts coming your way. But what a something April it was.

Yes, we are right after the very lackluster Oscar ceremony. And we are now one-third of the way through another year that really doesn't exist in my mind yeah no when you uh just said one third i was like no that can't be right it's true it's true and you know what my birthday is coming up it's may 7th and in my head i'm telling myself i refuse to believe a year has passed since my last birthday what happened i'll tell you what happened i recorded 500 podcasts and i got married so a few things happened a lot of things happened yeah but hey Bob no one would blame you for turning 38 again oh you know I deserve another 38th birthday yeah I I'm gonna take if you do it I'll do it we'll both be 38 again yeah 2020 could be like a leap uh leap year yeah a fully leap year we just avoided entirely maybe nine months of 2021 let's say

let's talk about simpsons news so unfortunately we have to start off this podcast with a bit of sad news in that simpsons animator and assistant director edwin aguilar died at 46 years old and i'm sorry if i mispronounce his last name but last week's episode was dedicated to him and he did not direct any episodes it seems like he was on his way to doing that. But he led a very interesting life, a very hard life in his younger years. And apparently he was a great asset and a great personality at the Simpsons Animation Studio. Yeah, it's very sad passing away at 46. Suffered from a stroke.

And they had a GoFundMe page set up for him too. It's very unfortunate. And in the Hollywood Reporter article on it, Matt Selman, exec producer on the show, called him a talented artist and beloved fountain of love and inspiration to all. And yeah, just 46. I mean, also seeing here like he worked on Transformers and G.I. Joe in our childhoods and even worked on, like, some of the last Chuck Jones cartoons. He worked on those. And a native of El Salvador, too.

It is very sad. He joined the Simpsons in 99. He had been with the show for over 20 years. Yeah, and I guess we have not, maybe it's just not as notable because they're not on the writing side, but I don't think we have not maybe it's just not as notable because they're not on the writing side but i don't think we have had a lot of artists who have passed away uh and if we have they've just passed and we haven't heard about them but this is like the one time i can remember in which a a an artist who passed had their own card at the end with a

caricature of them in simpson style yeah i think you're right i and i hope that you know uh i was gonna say i hope that continues i i hope when the sad event happens, you know, of a person passing away that who worked on the series as long as he did, especially that they would also be honored with art in that way. I mean, the original Simpsons directors are now all in their 60s. I assume in our lifetimes we will see their passing. That's just how life works. But whenever that happens, I guarantee you the Simpsons will still be a show yep and it will allow it will serve we will not survive the show it will outlive us and maybe we'll get our own title card henry yes yeah someday if we or end card rather no i want to be at the beginning of the show like in memory of these podcasters i think i think by season 40 they'll have us on the show i i think that's gonna happen we got to hang in there uh so in other news we have a

new voice actor for the character of julio who made his debut in the 2003 episode three gays of the condo originally voiced by hank azaria kind of doing the same character he did in the birdcage yeah yeah and uh he's been taken over by tony rodriguez a comedy actor who is friends with our buddies over a gayest episode ever drew and glenn yes yeah the um you know we'd heard rumblings about this that it's possible there'd be a new voice of uh julio long overdue i if you've if you've seen tony's you know pitch video he made he was very respectful to hank azaria saying like you know hank's a genius and if he doesn't want to do the jobs anymore and wants

them to be more representational and casting i am a cuban homosexual so i can play this role he had lots of funny tony rodriguez is a funny guy and good perfect use of the voice too and you can learn all about his casting process on the gayest episode ever interview he did with our friends glenn and on Gayest Episode Ever. And also Rodriguez says he credits it half to Gayest Episode Ever, but also half to Christine Nangle, who is one of his friends who is also a writer on the show now. Which, can you believe a woman under 40 works on The Simpsons? I need to see the birth certificate. I have to see it.

And also, I just realized this. Yesterday was Hank Azaria's birthday. So as of this recording, so happy 57th birthday, the youngest member of the crew. Actually, I think Yardley Smith might be younger than him. Maybe, yeah. No, the two hours I spent standing sitting behind you Mr. Azaria was one of my favorite moments

of my life he didn't make fun of me but he kind of did but he could have been much worse yes but yeah I also he's not I don't think there's a new like Apu watch thing here but definitely he did some new interviews like yeah look I'm sorry if I offended people

with Apu I'm done with it so hey but congrats to Tony Rodriguez this is what should have been happening the whole time of like the positive of having more representational casting is that uh actors who you know are just getting well tony rodriguez is actually very established as an actor but this is a big career move for him that's only available because the simpsons started opening up their casting i i do wonder budget wise where they're at acting like they have to be spending they're hiring more actors so they must be spending more on it i feel like i mean they've taken pay cuts over the years but i feel like the main cast comes at a much higher price

than a new person would oh yeah just because they're there with 32 years of seniority over you i i hope uh rodriguez and the other new voices aren't being paid an exposure like hey this is quite an opportunity you're on the simpsons this is good for you you're julio yeah you're julio we all love julio so yes there was a new episode recently that i was actually concerned about because in all of the promotion there was tim long who wrote this episode so the episode's kind of about morrissey right oh it's all about lisa gets an invisible friend imaginary friend that's very much like morrissey and in all of the because now they do so much press for every episode i feel and tim long was talking in the press like oh the smiths

meant so much to me as a teenager and so did morrissey and he was just like oh this is a reflection of me as a teenager but there was no mention in that press of the the kind of 180 spin the episode does in which it makes fun of the modern Morrissey so I was so concerned and I was thinking Tim Long you can't do this kind of episode now it's not cool like Morrissey he's a big dickhead but fortunately the episode that you saw Henry I didn't see it yet it did what was not revealed in the press which was show you no this is the reality of Morrissey today yeah I was I had those same concerns as you Bob when I just saw the pictures of Lisa dressed like a Smith loving teen of the 80s and she's hanging around with a guy who looks pretty much like Morrissey Quillaby played by Benedict Cumberbatch who does a really good job but yeah i was very concerned

too because i i guess you know the joke was on me because it showed that i had a really low opinion of simpsons of not trusting them too i'm sorry and i thought of like oh is this going to be an episode of celebrating morrissey is like a thing that inspires you as a weird teen you know this may shock you but the only Morrissey knowledge I have is when Mike Nelson played him on Mystery Science Theater did I mention that I cried oh man well Bob we're different in that way I I had a Morrissey phase I actually this episode touched me in a certain way because in my teens I really did get into the Smiths it it speaks to you for the reason that Morrissey is very lame now

because he has not changed much at all in the last 40 years. But that does speak to you and you're like, no one understands me. I'm so much smarter than everyone else. Oh, me. There's a reason it really speaks to me, too, because Lisa gets into the Smiths. Let's just say the Smiths. It's called the snuffs in the thing.

But she gets into the Smiths when they're old. It's old music to her, which for me in 1998 to 99, the Smiths was very old then too. And getting into it more than a decade after it was popular made it even more attractive. It's like, oh, magical morrissey man and uh and that was before well so here is the disappointing thing if you used to like morrissey in the last three years or so i think it has been much better publicized when he says something super racist or transphobic or just him hanging out with all right guys but what when that started in like 2018 2017 was one of the first times i read it reported there were people who were correct who said

he's been saying this shit for 30 years like he's always been an asshole and people like me just had to go like yeah i guess so i i fucked up and wasn't paying attention and so that's what's so disappointing about him now morrissey himself did exactly what they would have predicted would happen if they made fun of morrissey which is he gave a statement saying like how dare you i'm not like this fuck but he did how dare you call me humorless with your jokes yes exactly is well his stance was like satire used to be good but the simpsons isn't good anymore. Well, especially he got offended because one of the jokes about Quillaby is that he is no longer a vegan. He says a joke of like, I used to be a vegan until I learned it was made up by foreigners.

And there's too many of them. And they made him very overweight, too. Yes, which Morrissey is. He has a slight punch, but he's not that fat but that is what satire is but he was very mad that they said he wasn't a vegan anymore when he still is uh but he is like he thinks there's too many chinese people he thinks that the um then mayor of london i think he's still the mayor of london there's a mayor of london who is of indian background and he feels that he doesn't know how to speak properly okay uh there's a lot of awful racist things about morrissey and that's just the and so there are people like tim long who have to some people who

even got for real morrissey tats and have to go like fuck man this guy sucks what do i do with all the harry potter tattoo people must be creatively changing them to something else. You know, it's funny that it's Americans. I guess, too, for Americans, you see this guy who seems like, everyone in Manchester, I don't understand. Like, they seem magical to us. It doesn't seem like, I'm sure more Brits caught on to his bullshit sooner because they're like, yeah, I've heard that accent before.

It's not special to me. We're just fooled. We think they're smarter immediately. But so, yeah, it's a tribute to growing up loving the music of Morrissey and the Smiths. And then as you become an adult realizing he sucks and he's a shitty dude. And also I have to give credit, too, to a tip of the hat to Brett McKenzie. He wrote two of the Morrissey style songs in here, which are really good. Like they're, and I mean, Brett McKenzie is an amazing songwriter. He wrote the good songs in the new Muppet movies.

So yeah, I, it was just, he's from fly the Concord. So that was a quality episode the side story was about homer buying a large truck and becoming a truck guy uh which when i was watching with my husband in march has a speech of like homer you don't want a truck you've never gone camping and he had to pause and be like how many times has homer gone camping i'm like well i can think of at least three off the top of my head but it's a classic side of the Burger King toy to prove it. Yes, yes, yeah. But I give that a four by season 32 standards,

a thumbs up of an episode. So in other news, nature is healing, theme parks are reopening, and The Simpsons Ride is opening at Universal Studios again. And hopefully they make the screen less dim. Yeah know i hope they've used this year off to maybe fix some stuff up in that screw in some new light bulbs replace the baby powder smell that shoots at you and when maggie puts you in her mouth and um in their i bet their factory's already pumping out a thousand big pink donuts a day and half of them to be thrown away and not offered to any

homeless i don't know that's true they lock those dumpsters but i could you know that big pink it's the other than uh well it used to be butterbeer i haven't had butterbeer since uh jk r turned super transphobic i don't know if i'd have more of it now but other than butterbeer the big pinkut was my favorite food thing at the Universal Park. But yeah, Universal, you can fly to Universal Orlando right now and ride the Simpsons ride. But very soon in Hollywood, the Simpsons ride will also be reopening. At least, you know, that's what I guess. I would guess even if there are new spikes and stuff in America, I think America is just going to go like, nah, we're not going back to quarantine.

We've decided. No, no, Joe Biden's president. Everything's been fixed now. Didn't you hear the man on TV? It's sort of like Homer's conversation with Lisa. Just like, no, politicians figured it out. Yeah, there's that word again. Yes.

So that is that. And again, please be safe if you go to these places. And there was a recent marathon that FXX did of The Simpsons. There's corporate synergy at work with ABC airing the Oscars. So what would happen here, Henry? Were the episodes based on Oscar-nominated guest stars? It was Oscar-winning guests were the theme of the FXX marathon. marathon yeah i i didn't truly realize it until putting on the oscars last night and seeing abc had so many tie-in commercials of like watch this on hulu oh watch this on disney plus like watch

all this stuff it was some of the biggest corporate synergy i've ever ever seen in an oscars telecast and the simpsons were uh were no stranger to it and i guess we can talk about our oscar feelings later but yeah the simpsons were part of it yeah and apparently it ended with the short the longest daycare and i'm like guys come on it didn't yes yeah i know it's fine they didn't even get nominated this year oh that's right what was that called again uh playdate with destiny yes that's the one yeah not even nominated that had to be a real kick in the pants yeah i think so uh so there was a recent viral simpsons video you might have seen it i thought it was very funny it's maybe like 20 seconds long yeah here i'll play oh sure ah bartholomew

out for another day of whimsical japes do not have a cow father no we no longer have a cow but we still have our pride. Do we, father? Homer, the wean's got the head of your statue, Winston Churchill. Why, you diminutive... Well, Marjorie, the boy is dead. Eat your flag. The Simpsons yes that was from the very britishly named alistair beckett king on youtube uh what if the simpsons were british it's worth to watch uh just for the

visuals you heard the audio but you need to see how weird the characters look and i like there's a tesco bag oh that's great the tesco no i and it was winston churchill's head instead of uh jebediah's like i i like jokes of mocking british patriotism that's funny to me i i think the homer the homer design of his very thin point pinhead kind of look was very good uh yes and i got like you know it's at about a million on youtube and on Twitter I think it broke two million views. So congratulations, Beckett King. Yes, you're the king of men amongst the British. And, of course, we're reaching some several sad anniversaries

because we're all getting old, and 22 short films about Springfield turned 25, meaning it's time for another oral history that I think Bill Oakley has told maybe 30 times now but there's another one on Hollywood Reporter about the oral history of steam hams yeah it's a it's a fun one it's stories you've heard before but I think they did talk to a few people else who have thoughts on it but yeah it's uh it's just fun to reflect on it all the time and seeing seeing uh I mean I couldn't believe 25 years had passed i uh the

1996 i know what a time to be alive yeah but uh any any time to remember steamed hams and and also i mean you know bill oakley still at it with great reviews he uh he almost talked me into trying that bk chicken sandwich even though i'm on a very good diet these days hey it's probably good if you take off the bread and the condiments and the pickles and take off most of the skin. Yeah, then why even bother then? I'll just eat my skinless tilapia fillets with a

little salt on them. You know, there's a very good new veggie burger place in Berkeley called Stand Up Burgers and they serve impossible burgers and fake chicken burgers and it's pretty affordable as far as Berkeley food goes. That's a local tip. right man berkeley and by affordable by berkeley save me like a 12 dollars uh it's 10 but i'm like 10 bucks for a hamburger that feels pretty good to me i clicked my heels sir i'm gonna try that imitation chicken sandwich thank you it's good stuff

so i have breaking news that i added to this doc in that this morning as I was going over notes uh that guy on twitter that guy 3002 he has the inside dirt on what could have been the live action crusty the clown series in that he met with someone who was involved with it and apparently there was a full pilot script written by matt geraning and michael whitehorn and I can tell you the summary because by the time this goes live his tweets might be buried so I'll tell you what that guy 3002 said on Twitter. So ThatGuy3002 says, Apparently, the pilot script had Krusty falling into worse and worse gigs in Springfield, finally leading to him doing a public appearance at a piano and organ store at the Springfield Mall.

During the appearance, an organ rolled out of the store, hit a man, knocking him over a balcony to lower level, killing him, with Krusty getting the blame for the man's death. Remember, this was going to be live action. He is out of town and he moves to los angeles so in los angeles he appears as a guest on a david letterman type talk show on fox and during the segment the host puts on a virtual reality headset and goggles remember this is around 93 or 94 and he ends up walking outside and getting killed by a car so after that crusty is calling him for a meeting at fox where he believes he's going to be told he'll never work in show business again after unwittingly killing the host. But

instead, he's told the ratings for the episode where the talk show host was killed were fantastic and he is asked to be the new host. And that is the general premise of the Krusty spinoff. It was going to be a live action, surreal style with effects throughout. Dan Castaneda would have played Krusty. Apparently, it was presented to Fox. They liked the concept but felt it probably would work better as an animated series. so they asked it to be changed and matt graining agreed it's worth pointing out that this probably shut down because fox had already green lit a pilot for a show called circus a live action show called circus which was show run by kevin coran a married with children writer who was the voice of buck the dog he would later write for the simpsons and it was a story about a uh alcoholic clown

and a circus uh that's like an edgy edgy mid-90s sitcom and apparently uh kevin coran got in a big fight with a fox executive he was talking about where he wanted to bring his show circus he's just like this is what we want to do with our show it's kind of like taxi and the exec said that oh taxi worked because uh judge nelson was in it and kevin crayon said no you fucking idiot it was judge hirsch so at that point the meeting shuts down and his show is basically canceled so the one thing i learned from this and i'm talking a lot i apologize is that because circus was shut down three writers went to the simpsons those writers were greg daniels jace richdale and john collier they were

on the show circus that was never made outside of two episodes and because that show was shut down they moved to the simpsons season five writing staff and that's why they ended up there wow so there would have if if kevin coran had not pissed off a guy then then greg daniels might have never even got into animation. Yes, exactly. Wow. I've never heard. I mean, this is all great research by that guy here of interviewing this person. But also, like, I'd never heard anything about this circus stuff before either.

That's insane. You can watch episode two on YouTube. It's on there. And the credits are there as well. And I read the interview with Kevin Curran, of course, before he passed away that that was like one of the most infamous hollywood stories about how you get your show canceled people were always telling the story and finally he told it and his explanation was before i exploded on that fox executives he told me you look at me in the eyes when i talk to you he told kevin coran that so he was already pissed and that's why he exploded when the guy got

a fact wrong he just misspoke the exec just misspoke but he also treated kevin like shit a second earlier so that's why he was like fuck you it was judge hirsch sorry not judge church judd hirsch wow that isn't man i'm i'm just going through this here that that is crazy like that and that that could have fucked up the crusty spit off but also i i see the the reasoning that it didn't happen is is unclear but i believe the bit that guy says that i bet gracie films wanted too much of a cut like i think graining wanted to do this without jim brooks and jim brooks was like well you gotta at least pay daddy here that's that's my guess on why maybe come together i assume this had something to do with the critic uh idea because originally

the critic was a live action behind the scenes of a talk show kind of show but apparently he was telling me that was a different project entirely wow yeah that's that's all incredible to read man i gotta that guy is an amazing Simpsons researcher like he he pays for old scripts and dissects them online he buys the syndication packages for like hey are you the local syndicator here's your CD full of ads like who is he who is he who is this

but again yes there was going to be a live action crusty show with Dan Kastaneda a surreal live action sitcom but possibly Gracie wanted too much or possibly Fox is like no more clown shows we had the circus show we didn't like it the one executive really hates Kevin Coran now he doesn't want any circus shows on the network that could have been it as well man and well that partner writer with Groening that's crazy too I'd never heard of this other

person and also like I know I I mean I've heard Gene reese say that at some stage they were sort of involved with it because that's how they moved over to critic yeah that was my question that uh i had for that guy like it's not related but i was wondering because that show didn't pan out did jim brooks say maybe we could take it to abc yeah yeah but but the fox wouldn't allow them to take crusty himself it could be like all right some other guy who's in the entertainment and it's some other clownish fellow oh man what an amazing that's a great grab there bob i knew i knew something would break for once a thing a cool thing comes out just before we record instead of just after and not a death that breaks also not a boy we're really uh gambling here even saying like unfortunately no death happened right before this will go live in like 30 hours so nobody better die

so that was all the simpsons news and now on first news about us so i hope everyone has seen our what a cartoon schedule update if you haven't it's on the free feed it's on the patreon feed it's a post on the patreon it's a free post and to go over that really briefly the the short story is we're now releasing two what a cartoon episodes every month and the movie podcast we're scaling back for our own needs and to spend time on those more time intensive episodes everyone has been very very kind about it no one has been mad and we thank you for your understanding yes everybody very understanding in their uh replies to that post but if you haven't seen that yet yes well

what a cartoon now we're basically doing first and second first and third week of each month and then the middle of it that's also where talking futurama is going to go so if you are one of our five dollar patrons who enjoys talking futurama at the end of the month well now it's the second monday of each month so that's where you're going to hear it and again we have an entire little mini podcast about that in a post all the details are there so please check that out and uh so as of our recording so far we've already recorded all talking of the hill and that'll be rolling out through the end of june or sorry that'll be rolling out through the beginning of june and we're getting ahead of schedule on monthly talking futurama and our other

podcasts so far we're kind of heading into july so we're working far ahead of schedule on monthly Talking Futurama. And our other podcast so far, we're kind of heading into July. So we're working far ahead of schedule. And thankfully, cutting back on what a cartoon will help us work even further ahead of schedule. So yes, everything is working according to plan. And we had our first ever guest on Talking Futurama. We had Karen Chu on, which was a lot of fun to talk about. Look at the fry rush with her. Now, I appreciate Karen Chu, but I think you're forgetting about Jeremy Parrish.

Oh, I'm so sorry. Yes, we did. He's not listening to this, by the way. We have such long breaks in Talking Futurama. It's true. No offense meant to our previous guest. No, but she was a new guest to the network entirely. And, of course, I believe Good Job Brain is now rolling out their new episodes.

Yeah, if you were a fan of Good Job Brain, check it back out again. It's back. We also had Chris Kohler on a while ago, if you enjoyed that one. And, yeah, I mean, for me, it was real cool to – I think you'd met her before, but I'd never recorded or chatted with her before. And, you know, I don't want to say growing up, but in my late 20s. When I was a beer child 28 but the one-up podcast that karen was part of were a huge inspiration to me as both a person who wanted to work in the games

press and also just a person who loved podcasts like i i don't know if i would be professionally a podcaster if i wasn't influenced to be like, oh, if I became a games journalist, I could be on podcasts. Oh, if only. And let's talk about our schedule coming up for May. And we have shows. The first week is X-Men Evolution Operation Rebirth. That's right. It's the WB X-Men reboot for the aughts.

Yeah, the early aughts. Yeah, it was a lot of fun we we learned a lot of interesting history including including a little bit of it being connected to our next what a cartoon movie as well the that's right uh bs and then we have the rocky and bullwinkle show rue britannia part five is the episode and yes uh one of the most classic cartoons that inspired everything on tv uh alongside uh the flintstones like two of the biggest inspirations for animation on television this is another one in terms of writing and we had a lot of fun with that episode oh man i love going back to rocky and boy and uh it'll be linked

in the schedule for it as well but this episode is freely available on youtube it is labeled poorly uh the finale of the ruby tanny, but it'll be linked to in the schedule if you want to just find it from there. The next week we'll be doing a SpongeBob SquarePants classic from season three, the episodes Chocolate with Nuts and Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy 5. And that was the request from one of our patrons who's on the episode. Yes. Devin returns.

It was a ton of fun to talk about and uh we get a little into the biography of one of the storyboarders and very underrated creators within the spongebob world and up next after that before the movie podcast we have the owl house episode the intruder the owl house the great disney plus show it's uh very uh in in good terms harry potter like it's like the good harry potter yeah it's harry pot Potter meets Tenchi Muyo. Oh, there you go. That's an important distinction. And finally, our movie for May, because you voted for it, don't blame us.

It's Cool World. Yes, Ralph Bakshi's final feature film. A big, slippery mess of a project that's still going to be a lot of fun to talk about. I just did all my research on the history. And, buddy, there are a lot of conflicting stories on that one i'll tell you that much uh just to ask yourself what would hollywood do well she'll do it hollywood she would and yes and as for our what a cartoon movie for june because we punished you with cool world and possibly punish you with shrek if you don't like it we're going to be doing a themed summer of certain movies for what a cartoon movie it's going to be our disney renaissance summer so

june we're going to give you the selection of the little mermaid beauty and the beast the lion king and hercules so that will be kicking off our summer of disney renaissance for the summer of 2021 yeah you know of the disney renaissance before that we've covered we've only done aladdin and and its sequel return of jafar so here are uh four of the biggies i thought before we might have done one of them but a goofy movie one which hey i love a goofy movie it beat the lion king right i know uh but but this time it is pure disney gold of their of their diamond collection their most important films uh that to them so yeah little mermaid beauty and the beast lion king hercules and then after that we'll have that's just the first part of our disney

renaissance summer so for the july one i think you guys are going to enjoy that one too so a brief personal life update for me bob mackie and i haven't been talking about this as much recently and you're because you know i'm sick of explaining it and you're probably sick of hearing it which is fair in that i'm currently working on being able to live in canada right now the border is still closed so it's really hard for me just to visit canada to see my wife who i married at the beginning of january that's when i left canada i was able to get into there on special permission by the queen. They let me in for three weeks.

And I'm- Hey, Bob, come in there. She's so nice. And her husband just died. So yes, that's the last time I've been to Canada. And since the beginning of February, we've been working with immigration lawyers to do all the paperwork.

And Henry has been part of this too. You've had to write letters explaining that our love is real. It's real and it's good. I basically did a what a cartoon history segment, but for our friendship and my friendship with Nina as well. And if you think getting into Canada is easy, brother, it is not because I had to gather all of these details,

get like an FBI background check, have seven of our friends write a biography about us, like turn in an activity book about our relationship with connect the dots of where we first met and things like that and you know receipts for every plane ticket and everything and nina's done so much work behind the scenes working on this and as of today our lawyers just picked up all the documents from nina and thursday they will be submitting them to the government for them to sit on for up to a year so i'm not going anywhere for a while and once I do move,

we will still be recording remotely and in person as much as possible. Nothing will change in terms of the schedule. And part of the reason that we're working far ahead is that when Canada begins to open up again and I'm allowed back there, I will be going there for a month. But by that time,

we'll have worked ahead a few months in the podcasting schedule. So one of the reasons we're working ahead of time, not just because we have nothing to do with podcast is because i have not seen my wife in now almost four months and i do want to go back and see her this summer if that's possible and when i do i want to stay for a month this time yeah now you've you've earned the right to stay for a month i'd say for sure and uh well i mean uh the i think the only thing we'll record uh over the internet then will be the one of these, the community podcast.

But yeah, crossing my fingers for you guys, you know, you would think based on how people, most Americans think of like, if you say, I'm moving to Canada, you just think that you can go to the border and declare of like, as an American, I am welcomed here and I can now live wherever I feel like. Yeah, it's like they're taking my money. Well, no, they want more than that yeah oh lots more now it's uh you and i mean there is something i've i've been i know from experience myself too just the the pain of like the weird pain of opening up your life that much to a government it's just like well i want this but you shouldn't get to know this much about me. I don't like this. And knowing what I know about America, having lived here for almost 40 years, I have to feel like we're responsible for this because we share a border.

I bet the Patriot Act has a lot to do with my immigration and how difficult it is. Yeah, maybe it was like an arms race on immigration that they're like, well, if America's doing this, then we got to do that. Or America forced them. It's like, we don't want terrorists going to hide in your neck of the woods.

Yeah, yeah. Though, I mean, you know,ada has its own racist history it always true but it's like it's the little brother who gets to look better by comparison to the big brother of awful america i only said that we forced them to do it because i found out recently well i found out uh through dating nina that uh canada had internment camps as well because America made them. Wow, man. That's good. I guess also with our very American-centric history we're taught in schools, you don't even think about like, yeah, if you asked any American to name three provinces of Canada, they couldn't. And Bob's gone there enough.

He probably could now. Now I can name at least two. Well, let's see. You got British Columbia. I mean, not during this recording of course ontario and quebec there boom oh nova scotia alberta back to winnipeg ah yes okay see if we could just center it on jokes about canada but that's my life and uh it's been it's been difficult of course but podcasting has been a great distraction so i'm very grateful to be doing

this but i also would be very grateful to take a break from this for a short period of time. But that is why we are currently like knee deep in July on Talking Simpsons and working on June on What a Cartoon. And personally, I am I'm working in July on Retronauts right now. So I'm working ahead on that as well. So, yeah, everything is moving according to plan. And hopefully I will get to take a little break soon. But also, I guess we should say me and bob both well i am now fully vaccinated okay i've had my second shot and uh it's the second shot isn't bad guys i didn't feel okay in my personal experience my day after the second shot was totally fine but also i it's kind of rare i've

even had a bad reaction to a flu shot but uh i know we were just talking about this off mic but there's all like people see horror tales of their second shot and it sounds scary but i've it was fine for me and yeah if if you are able to get a shot in and get your vaccinations in the u.s you definitely should i i would suggest it but you know you know, not everybody can. Not everybody can. Yeah. And I have been vaccinated once with one the first shot. And I didn't want to broadly announce it because you can do whatever you want and I won't get mad at you. But personally, I feel that getting a vaccine is still very hard for a lot of people. So I don't want to be too glib. I don't want to say, here's my Fauci, ouchie, LOL, microchips bill gates or whatever yes uh i don't want to be as public with it because i

understand like you know people even in canada uh in people in like japan i know them there i don't want to make them upset by saying like oh yeah white boy summer's headed my way or whatever so uh i don't want to be very glib about it i'll tell you folks out there that i'm safe but i don't want to you know proudly announce it because i know it's difficult i feel very fortunate that i can have an uber drive me to a remote cvs just to get a vaccine and i can take the day off because i have a podcast and i can work whenever i want yeah a lot of people's jobs aren't like that well and also like we are computer literate enough to know how to book these things too like it's i mean this is it's uh god i just think of like this is it's, I mean, this is, it's, uh, God, I just think of like, this is, it's all just a very self-selecting thing of like, well, who's overlooked in this?

Well, do you have a computer? No, then you don't. Well, or do you think you can go into a CVS without being bothered and being told you don't look like you belong? They're like, how many homeless people could get, uh, unhoused people? I should say, sorry. How many unhoused people you think could get a shot at CVS but would never be allowed in there

because they would think that they're going to steal? That's just one of a million imperceptible things keeping people from getting vaccines. I also, I don't know if listeners could hear audibly how much I rolled my eyes in hearing Fauci, I hate that term so much.

It makes my skin crawl and again, it's okay if you used it. We all make mistakes. But I was tweeting about this today, not to go on too long about vaccines, but it comes from a good place. People say, come on, get vaccinated. What are you waiting for? But I feel like there are things you're ignoring when you say that. And I went over a few of them, but I think about, you know, will your boss give you time off in the one window of time you can get a vaccine? Can you prepare for possible side effects? Some people do get sick for a few days. They're not going to die.

It's much less worse than getting COVID, but they may not be able to work. Maybe you're afraid of that. But there are so many ways in which you can be held back from getting a vaccine because you have no rights at your job. So I don't want to be too, you know uh i won't use the word virtue signaling but you know like i'm a good person why don't you be good like me and get a vaccine because for a lot of people it's not that easy and i realize i come from a real place of privilege by being able to drop everything and go to the cvs to get a vaccine no me too that i and also that i was able to just like spend a couple hours of like refresh this website yeah it's open here and this one also i had the i had the privilege of qualifying for one of the earlier slots which

is also why i've been working out a lot lately and not a better diet because i i didn't like being heavy enough to qualify for a previous thing but well i suffer from imposter syndrome and they wouldn't let me get an early vaccine uh but but yeah i think it's uh it's such a frustrating and then not even to talk about the whole thing of like everyone should listen to the citations needed podcast about how the vaccine patents on it are preventing other countries from making it and how like it it's really this shitty thing that we're doing just for in the name of letting people make money off of a vaccine like it's uh but i guess i i did just want people to like hey we we did get our vaccine me and bob are being safe and all that uh but and if you are lucky like us and privileged like us and can do that uh you you should yeah but yeah and what

that means for us is eventually i mean my second shot is on may 10th and then i'll be fully uh well i guess in quotes fully immune or whatever by may 24th which means at some point maybe this year we can go on a on a you know trip to record with some of our friends in la our big guests there and maybe hopefully in 2022 we can start doing live shows again because we've taken like two years off from doing that just as I felt I was getting good at it and we were getting good at it as a team on stage. Back to square one in our comedy act.

Just like, I'll just read off this piece of paper. I can't do any improv on stage. I'm sorry. Everyone, stop looking at me. Turn the lights down all the way. So more personal stuff. This is where we usually talk about what we've been playing and watching not a lot for me because all the games i'm playing are forever games that will never end so this is all a big mistake in my life because i just play these very long games but again final fantasy 14 i say that every month yaksa like a dragon that game won't end i i'm playing monster

rise another game that is built to never end and also playing the Dragon Quest 11 epilogue and I'm like 130 hours into that game as a whole and I think that's going to end soon some portable RPGs are shorter than the epilogue to Dragon Quest 11 it's true now I know why they take so much time off

between games and looking forward to in the month of May the famicom detective club duo of games coming over here i already you know got them on switch pre-ordered and also in july just announced the great ace attorney chronicles so two games are coming at the same time to switch ps4 and steam that never came over here to ace attorney games i'm so excited for those that is incredible that they both of those were games i never thought would come here i do wonder if it partially they remakes became more in vogue especially with japanese developers uh well in general video game developers because

it's really hard to make a brand new game right now and that's why like can we just uh you know what because i can't believe in america it is called famicom detective club i mean that's the name of it and always has been but i mean they could just called it like the kid the detective club nintendo detective club but i guess them calling it famicom is is also nintendo of america going like we know who's buying this yeah i mean they i mean they re-release these games on super famicom and game boy advance in japan and was always called famicom detective club so they never changed the name and and yeah i never thought we'd get those the the sherlock holmes estate i was sure we'd never let us have it that's why he's called herlock sholmes ah totally different yes

okay original character uh don't steal i love herlock shum's has existed almost as long as sherlock holmes like that's who lupin the original lupin or lupin faces okay i forgot about that uh so watching stuff not a whole lot going on with me but i must recommend this really great netflix series it came out in december of 2020 on netflix a japanese live action series called alice in borderland and all i will say is that it's a lot of fun if you enjoy series about death games. So it's sort of like the Zero Escape series. It's sort of like Danganronpa, sort of like that.

If you're into that idea, there's a lot of really cool twists, a lot of really cool characters, a lot of great cliffhangers. We had a lot of fun and watched that with Nina. It's a great series. No one's really talking about it and really, really good budget and action. and just uh it's really well done all

right i mean i hadn't heard anything about this show i'll check that out and every friday night is a movie night i stream a movie with nina as we watch it remotely and i watched a few great movies uh this month uh i saw run lola run for the first time to prep for the upcoming trilogy of error podcast first time i've ever seen that movie. It's great. And I recently learned that that's what inspired Majora's Mask. Oh, I forgot. I didn't know that that inspired Majora's Mask.

I haven't watched that in 20 years, probably. I need to rewatch it. It's like 70 minutes long. It's great. And it moves because she just keeps running. The movie says what she does. It is an active film. Yeah.

I guess, yeah, definitely before we record Trilogy of Error podcast, I'm going to watch it again too. I also watched the 1945 movie Detour, which is now in the public domain. So it's very easy to watch, but it's just a great tidy noir. I wanted to watch a noir. It's like 62 minutes long. Oh, wow. It's perfect.

And now I'm reading the book version of it because of course it was a crime book first. So I'm enjoying that as version of it because, of course, it was a crime book first. So I'm enjoying that as well. That sounds nice. And also I watched Animal World, which is the Chinese movie adaptation of the manga Kaiji. Again, another thing about death games. It's really well done, surprisingly faithful, and Michael Douglas is in it for a role. He is probably there filmed in an afternoon. 100%. in it for a role he is probably there filmed in an afternoon 100 that when i saw on your twitter

feed a picture of kaiji next to a picture of michael douglas i was like what the hell is bob tweeting he plays the equivalent of tonagawa the villain uh one of the sub villains of kaiji because in that movie they cover the first arc of kaiji they give it a really different um prologue but the actual mechanics of the story are very very faithful wow did do is it are the characters now chinese and it's set in china or is it still set in japan it's uh i think it's set off of uh china but the cast is very international that's on the on the boat where they're all playing cards i mean including michael douglas which yeah yeah my questions with that is like i i thought michael but the cast is very international. That's on the, on the boat where they're all playing cards. I mean, including Michael Douglas,

which yeah. Yeah. My questions with that is like, I thought Michael Douglas had more prestige to his acting than he would just be in a, uh, a Chinese Netflix movie. I mean,

he's in his seventies now and this is good. Like third boat money for Michael Douglas, I guess. But, uh, yeah, I recommend all of them. Uh,

I also watch cool world uh on friday you'll hear more about that the last week of may yes it's not good but we'll have fun talking about it oh so much fun just like on track i uh well you know for me uh my watching now it's time to go to normie town because i watched all the the mainstream stuff you watch your uh prescribed tv shows i did well so okay off, I did watch all of Falcon Winter Soldier. If you're an MCU fan, I'll give my review of it that I think I actually, as a whole, liked it more than WandaVision in part because it was only six episodes and so it could really go by fast.

I will also say about Falcon Winter Soldier that it was like two steps forward two steps back every time because they so much of this time they want to engage and i think uh for celebratory reasons reasons to be celebrated they want to engage in social justice and political conversations like race is rarely noted as a thing in most MCU films. In this show, Falcon actually talks about, like, you know, I know what it is to be a black man in America. This is about, like, getting turned down for loans, being harassed by police. They touch on these things. But once they do touch on it, maybe you call me selfish, but I go, like,

why don't they go farther? they also have to tell you they there's a red state good guy in it who i really well wish they'd handled in a different way how could it be a commercial for the military if they went further no i know i i joked with uh some folks on our discord which everybody's so fun on the discord uh shout out to all you guys but i joked with some of them on the discord that like so there's falcon in the show uh who's uh sam wilson and there is a uh the new captain america in the show scott walker and they we joked of like oh one of them voted for obama one voted for mccain but both would vote for sanctions against iran like that's the that feels like the politics of the show at times but it's

not terrible and again there's some good stuff in there and then that's what makes the bad stuff bother me even more i feel i mean my view for as an outsider was people really were into wandavision as a concept and after that this immediately launched and they're just like well this is just a regular show yeah well now they're taking just a month off from uh stuff so but then there'll be loki in june bob so don't worry people will be talking about a marvel thing very soon what about star wars uh well you know that mandalorian oh that just wrapped up recently right yes and in a year from now it's gonna take them a year to make them all bob but don't worry next year in 2022 there will be five different things in the Mandalorian related universe. A movie? As for the Oscar noms, I think last month I talked about seeing Judas and the Black Messiah,

which that movie, that would have been my Oscar winner, but I didn't watch every Oscar nominee. The ones I did watch this month, I thought Mank Stank. I think it looks weird. I think I'm kind of tired of gary oldman and also i think it's bullshit that they're trying to say you know orson welles didn't really do everything on this like yes he fucking did orson welles is like the greatest film genius there ever was you have to say uh makes makes wait mank that mank makes chud look like hud and i love chud uh that's good yeah uh and uh i also saw no mad land which uh did just win best picture and best director and best actress and i will say like it's very

well filmed edited acted uh it is a really great movie except for it starts with a commercial for amazon and there's other stuff in it that i'm like i don't like that like the start with the amazon stuff at the beginning just put a bad taste in my mouth but it is a really good looking movie it i mean when i say good looking i mean like beautifully shot beautifully edited i unbelievably make beat it for cinematography which make looks like crap by comparison it's uh and i don't just mean because it's in black and white they film black and white terribly and which is really sad because like um david fincher is known for good cinematography but i feel like working at netflix made him shoot a film like shit but anyway so those are my thoughts on no man land you can see my tweets for more of my in-depth reasoning for why i don't like the involvement of amazon and how i don't think it's critical of amazon at all but also fun movies i saw godzilla versus kong what a good time i love

that movie i heard it was good and uh mortal combat okay it's all right it's uh i'll tell you what it sure is thinking that there'll be a lot of sequels out of it because they set up things and hold back a lot of stuff they're like uh we'll save that for the sequel i think multiple times watching for the movie was in their heads uh but i will i also will say if you're sick of mcu and their pg-13 stuff mortal combat is a proud r-rated action film with blood and guts people said it's okay i heard people are saying though the first movie stole the best 95 still but i mean look i saw when i was 13 so it's kind of hard to be seeing the thing at 13 but yeah uh and i also wanted to shout out the youtube channel tabi eats uh which is a gay couple uh who live in japan named shinichi and satoshi as them traveling around japan and um before the covid uh other

countries and just uh reviewing food and seeing cool stuff i really they're just a fun older gay couple uh who've also they've sometimes have these interesting insights i didn't know about what it's like to be you know a committed long-term gay couple living in a country that has its own versions of bigotry and mistreatment of gay people. But that is also, though, evolving and changing. That was really interesting. Oh, one thing I wanted to mention, Henry, is that you're mentioning Oscar stuff, and the winner of Best Animated Movie was Soul. Oh, yes.

Yeah, that's right. By that, I mean Soul. Yeah, Soul. I still haven't seen it yet, even though it's, like, free on Disney. Well, not free. I was looking at what was nominated, even though it's like free on Disney. Well, not free. I was looking at what was nominated, and it's just like, onward, come on. I guess if you make a movie Disney, it's nominated. But can you believe a Pixar movie won Best Animated Movie?

I was thinking Wolfwalkers might actually get it. People said it got snubbed. Yeah, I think I had heard that too. I mean, well, I haven't watched Soul yet. Well, I mean, it was nominated, so it wasn't snubbed, but you understand what I mean. I haven't watched Soul yet, but yeah, I had heard that Soul was mean, it was nominated, so it wasn't snubbed. But you understand what I mean? I haven't watched Soul yet. But yeah, I had heard that Soul was like not the best Pixar, but not the worst either. Like good Pixar, but not great.

I thought it might be a year for somebody who isn't Pixar to win it, but seemingly not. And also, since I did the Death Note podcast, I have read all of death note including the 2020 update comic which that was so great how clever that was just an incredibly clever comic i do love it yes please read all of death note and i do love not to spoil that the 2020 chapter but i love the modern person is just like yeah if i had a death note i would sell it i'm not gonna use it we live in a surveillance state it's so smart everything is so clever in it and uh and yes so i also supported a couple kickstarters i wanted to promote one was the new one for mystery science theater which they're already at over three million but they need to get to that six million

to do a full season you know what uh i supported it as well i didn't support the last one because it happened in 2015 i was at a bad job that wasn't paying me well and i did not have health insurance so i said i shouldn't back mystery science theater if i don't have health insurance but now that i do i put 100 bucks towards it and i like where it's going because joel has all these big ideas perhaps some are too big but i feel like the way that they plan on making it this time i think it'll be a better show than the netflix version which i have a lot of reservations about i'm glad it exists but is not my preferred version of that show i i think the Netflix episodes, but I think they had to compromise a lot for it. And also, dumping 14 episodes of a two-hour episode at once was handled wrong.

I think you can tell from the updates Joel gave that they gave up too much to be part of Netflix. That they wanted more control and now he's got that uh and so yeah that one i support too i went to the i went to the hundred dollar t-shirt tier uh and the other one though uh lesser known but it looks really cool and it's by some people i know a video game kickstarter called spirit swap lo-fi beats to match three two which first off i really like it that it is a takeoff on paneled upon slash puzzle league one of my all-time favorite puzzle style games and second it is incredibly gay and queer and it's made by many people of color in a co-op like it's all these it's all these things that i also want to support in in-game development

so i i would definitely they've they've hit their first couple goals but if you are a fan like me of puzzle league or paneled upon or gay video games i would definitely say spirit swap lo-fi beats to match three two is worth checking out uh and i'll say i also really loved the on cinema oscar special that was a ton of fun tim heidecker and greg turkington are geniuses you should just watch it all uh and for video games the only really new thing i did was play pac-man 99 and i thought it was all right it's fun it's good it's it doesn't it's um i don't go back to it as much as i did with tetris or mario 99 but uh and also video games i've been playing, the Fitbit game.

Oh, you're a Fitbit slave just like us. Slave to the bit. Every day, what are my zone minutes? What are my steps? What's my heart rate? How much sleep did I get? I've been doing the Fitbit grind for four years, and I'm in good shape because of it.

Yeah, no, I've gotten, I was improving my health already, and now the Fitbit helps me do it much better even and just yeah it's an inspire too if you're a fitbit fan i i went with a cheaper model first just because i didn't know it was a gift for my husband very nice of him i like it a lot because it doesn't magically make you in shape but it does make you aware of how much you're moving and like uh constant if you want to opt in a lot of stats you might not be aware of like oh what is my heart like and i i use uh the smart scale with fitbit where it keeps track of my weight so there's a fitbit scale you can buy too oh yes so you might have to invest in this you can i can i

weigh myself every day it's all part of my giant fitbit life chart that many corporations can access and advertise to me based on my stats i'm sure that's happening behind the scenes but you know what i feel good about myself damn it i i'm feeling good too i'm i'm the uh currently the lowest i've ever i've weighed in five years awesome that's great yeah and just keep going forward it'll be nice i'm uh now that i've gotten my shot and and my husband has gotten his shots too and uh my mother is also fully vaccinated memorial day we're finally going to visit her in like we've that i haven't seen her in person since christmas 2019 so i can finally visit her and i want to be in my best shape when i when i see her again finally but but yeah so

that's what i've been and i'm like 20 i'm i'm in the last quarter of dark souls so i've i've also been slowly chipping away it's really hard it's ip that's So I've also been slowly chipping away at it. It's really hard. That's why I'm slowly chipping away at it. Yeah. So now moving on to Talking Simpsons comments. The first ones are for Homer vs. Dignity. And Joe Hodgson says,

This episode surprises me anytime I rewatch it. Like many, I remember it for the bad rape joke. And as a result, my first reaction whenever this episode is brought up is mostly negative. And then I watch it and I find myself actually being quite entertained by it the lenny scene is classic as this era the simpsons can get and i do really enjoy the burns portrayal it loses steam basically with the rape joke and the last act is pretty meh and that panda scene about the only positive thing i can say about it is at least they didn't go full family guy and make homer and probably pregnant at the end of the episode which i think is what happens to peter with like a bowl well i also think it's when uh quagmire has sex with his transgender father

oh okay there's also that oh yeah there will not be a uh talking family guy series no i don't think so we'll cover a few episodes here and there but uh weird okay but but that's also funny because we've covered uh we've we've already cut recorded one for another controversial season 12 episode and in both cases like oh yeah in the third act they just shove lisa together with homer like here don't you care now don't you don't you give a shit lisa is emotional collateral in a lot of bad episodes but i as we had to admit on the episode there are good jokes in that episode as as much as i had forgotten it also on that episode a comment from some bloke says as a graduate of more than one online funky winker bean disparaging group i need to point out a little more about the crankshaft connection because it's bonkers and not the what

a cartoon kind of oh well i'm tuning out uh crankshaft spawned it's balkers and not the what a cartoon kind of oh well i'm tuning out uh crankshaft spawned off from funky winker bean after the latter's first time skip as an attempt to preserve some more humorous elements as the main strip pivoted towards soap opera dramatics but much later funky winker bean had a second time skip which Crankshaft didn't follow so now there are two concurrently running Funky Winkerbean timelines each taking place in the present but also somehow 10 years apart in a way that makes superhero comics blush and then to make things worse Funky Winkerbean is arguably an artifact title because Funky and his extended family are characters, the main emphasis is arguably on Les Moore, who is clearly some kind of self-insert character who profited off the story of his wife going through cancer,

much the same way that Funky Winkerbean's only real burst of mainstream attention came from that cancer storyline. The depths of self-absorbed hack writing are unfathomable. Wow. Yeah, Funky Winker being running non-stop since 1972 this is almost a 50 year old comic goodness over here funky man i think of it as when i was a kid it was only 20 years old so i thought of it as a newer comic but also it wasn't in my area but man that's which means the original artist is still alive he needs if he has not had a child yet to pass this on to he needs to have a child to give the burden of funky yeah he's yeah like the heathcliff guy did you know i'm seeing heathcliff

stuff shared more and more of my timeline again i'm like i think these impossible these non-joke strips are funny now i think they're funny on purpose they're non-sequiturs for the sake of being a non-sequitur now when i see the garbage ape i'm like that's hilarious i love that garbage ape he doesn't make any sense uh dead putting society is up next and silky pj says i had to do a deep dive when i heard ned offering homer a quote tasty little lager from holland unquote the three biggest brands of beer from the netherlands are heineken grulsch and amstel all of which were available in the u.s market at the time this might be the one instance where he is flaunting to homer because kegerators are not cheap in his collection of ornate steins ned being a fan of beer is

something i don't think he would be within future seasons but as reverend lovejoy says our commandments clearly state that beer is all right that's true yeah i love i guess you know beer is okay but it's that uh that blueberry schnapps that's the one he has to say now too uh and kegerators i feel like they're just uh luxury middle class items that make you seem fancier but they never work right my family had one it was always just pure foam our office had one that we worked at and it just like a big glass of foam with 10 beer at the bottom attached to a garbage bag full of beer yeah yeah it's i mean i'd rather have i use that at the office more than the foosball table we had i never touched that thing and it was always uh i felt like that was the jerk magnet

at our at our place it's for sales people to play while you're trying to write articles about video games yep yeah and they say like i thought you had written it already oh god that's all you hear oh that sound bob no no and he looked at me like what are you doing sorry uh also on dead putting society chris dobson says this is not quite a great episode but it's pretty solid and does a lot of table setting does a lot of table setting for the world bart's one hand clapping is a highlight i also noticed on this rewatch how much it at least sounds like dan is ad-libbing some lines, especially with his, oh no, delivery in the middle of reading Ned's letter.

I don't know if he is, but it's a great vocal performance. Also, I didn't notice Bart had a 41 on the course before any training with Lisa. That's a really solid score. It seems like Bart has the ability and basically just needsisa's support to get over his fear of failure yeah and on the commentary of the episode they do mention that the entire cast was together to record that and they were getting a little too rowdy over the reading of that letter oh yeah i think it's reese that says like um julie cavner becomes the mom in the room of like okay guys okay enough fun's fun but let's get back on track here.

Also, all the talk about drinking just reminds me again, our guest Mike Hanford, the Sloppy Boys podcast is a lot of fun. It's one of my new favorite podcasts. I really love listening to it. And who knows? You might hear another person from the Sloppy Boys soon. I'm just looking at these episodes we read comments from, and one is Nick Weiger from Doughboys.

The next one is Mike Hanford from Sloppy Boys.boys the next one is mike hamper from sloppy boys and the next one is travis view from q and on anonymous yeah the stars are coming out to shine in april uh it's uh april showers brought stars star powers star powers there we go that's good uh let's move on to the computer war men issues again with travis view from q anon anonymous and harry thornton says while i enjoyed this episode as a kid i had a big problem with the ending i was so disappointed by it not ending with the status quo fully resolved i had a similar problem with the previous missionary impossible and on the road to doeware a few seasons later both of which had a similar not endings it sticks out to me because i remember john k's claim that kids don't care about continuity or characters seemingly dying coming back next week and i have to laugh because i did care and of course he means john

chris feluci and uh my response to that is i cared when the show asked me to invest in them but with ren and snippy there was never an emotional investment in their life or their reality so when ren and snippy would die or commit suicide at the end of an episode, I'd be like, well, that's funny. I'll see them next time. I already knew as a kid watching Ren and Stimpy or that like, oh yeah, this week they're homeless. Next week they live in a home and sleep in the same bed. Next week they live in a cave like it. There was always a shifting status quo

that I understood it on those shows. Or also as a kid, I knew Bugs Bunny looked different depending on like what cartoon was airing from what decade that week that I understood but if I am watching week to week when something is new I even as a child was heavily invested in the reality of the world and I always appreciated in the first seasons of The Simpsons where they would say like hey remember when that episode happened like they would remember the episodes they had so no that ending really pissed me off as a youngster though i hadn't seen the prisoner at that point which uh some bloke is a big fan of the prisoner in their comment this episode actually kicked off my fandom for the prisoner

when one of the old simpsons guidebooks revealed that basically all of the third act weirdness came from that show which years later led me to track down the very good and unfortunately frequently out of print dvd box set the ending itself being so weird and disconnected might just be a reference unto itself as the final episode of the prisoner is also completely outrageous compared to the rest of the series. An obstructionist by design, up to and including some subtle implications that a comma splice in that three-minute opening may be one of the most important clues in the show.

If the internet had been around in the 60s, we would have seen an impressive shit show. Yeah, it has been driving people crazy for more than 50 years now, that ending of The Prisoner. I said it on the podcast, but if you've got Prime now in America, you can watch the HD amazing looking Prisoners on there. It looks gorgeous. It really does.

That DVD box that I spit on it. Now I bet it's got a lot of great extras because the, those collections of BBC or just UK classics actually invested a lot in good extras, but that's so I, I good reminder that the, the final episode of the prisoner is intentionally like just attacking you in its, in its, uh, obscurity. I did not know that. And up next we have what a cartoon comments. The first ones are for DuckTales, the movie Treasure of the Lost Lamp. And I will say, this is Bob speaking, that over the course of quarantine and lockdown, I've been listening to a lot of new podcasts,

getting into them. One of them has been Blank Check with Griffin Newman. And in that podcast, I listened to the Return of Jafar podcast he did. He rightfully does not like the movie, although I think he was harsher on it than us. But during that podcast, he does say, I remember the ducktales movie being awesome that's got to be a better movie than this right and i hope he revisits that because the answer is no that was

my thought too yeah i thought yeah ducktales movie's gonna rule i remember loving that and you know what nobody liked it nobody cared that we were mean to it yeah that was i was uh slightly worried people might think like oh you, you guys are too mean. Like, nope, nobody felt that. So if somebody says it's a good movie, you spit in their face for me and tell them Bob Mackie sent you. But don't do that. That's probably a felony. No, don't do that.

So questions and comments for this one. Bored Artist says, I thought that I loved DuckTales as a five-year-old. Now I think I only like it because of regrets. I forced my aunt and mother to take my brother and cousin to see DuckTales, the movie. I was six at the time. I did not make it all the way through. It was at the scene where the nephews and Webby were in the backyard with the hang glider train and other toys they'd wish for.

I was like, mom, buy me that train. But six-year-old me couldn't understand that we were dirt poor and I would never own a ride on that train. So six-year-old me walked out of the theater and mom asked Aunt Maxine to bring my brother home after the film was over. Mom also said that we would not go to another animated movie feature for a long time because of my selfishness. And he says, our board artist says, I'm sorry, Ma. So DuckTales, you know, encouraging delinquency in our children. What's going on here?

Man, I feel I definitely know that feeling but yeah when you're a six-year-old and in the theater and a mom you're a parent tells you no then the movie is over like you're just like wait no no i i don't hear this no and you just like turn into a little piece of shit because you're a six-year-old yeah you're incredibly self your brain is not developed you don't have you have no impulse control you have no empathy it's just it's over and you see on a movie like well those kids have parents i have parents parents buy things yeah they can buy me a train my own train uh andrew grieve says about ducktales the movie at the time i remember just thinking it was nothing special and thought that the golden goose arc was much more interesting than the subject matter in The Lost Lamp.

Rewatching it now, the sheer cringe of Dijon aside, my opinion hasn't changed too much. It's basically a special multi-part episode of the series with the core characters, but nothing too spectacular. To your point, it would have been great to see TMS take on this film, but I'm not sure if that would have swayed me at all other than potentially looking a lot better than the final project. Yeah. Shabooey. You know, I think if it was still all the same

storyboard and script and everything, there weren't a ton of places for TMS to like have a bunch of fun where they could really indulge in like a big action set piece. It would have been at least more consistent character animation instead of being so sloppy. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. No, it would have been across the board quality there. And also like the, definitely the scorpions would have looked cooler instead of like Muppets or whatever. I didn't like those. So up next we have Get a Life, the episode Girlfriend 2000. Of course, this was our April Fool's episode about a live action cartoon. And that was Get a Life. And a friend of the show, Drew Mackey of Gayest Episode Ever says here is a not too terribly name droppy story I will never

get to share anywhere else I was at a party and ended up talking to a guy I later learned to be Michael Corman co-creator of Eagleheart he was there with his wife very funny redhead Ellie Kemper and when I realized he made Eagleheart with Chris Elliott father of funny redhead Abby Elliott but that show featured a female lead they gave to Maria Thayer funny redhead withie kemper and when i realized he made eagle heart with chris elliott father of funny redhead abby elliott but that show featured a female lead they gave to maria thayer funny redhead and strangers with candy alum who is neither one guy's wife nor the other's daughter i had this moment of wait it wasn't hollywood nepotism at all they actually cast someone who was appealing and good and who isn't anyone's family member and i think that is nice and you know what drew there were several opportunities for nepotism to strike and they avoided every one of them uh i love uh but a collection of cute and funny redheads all listed there yeah i mean that that's so fun i i didn't know that michael corman was married to ellie

kemper i didn't know that either uh but eagle heart rules i i was just watching it after after we did all and get a life i was like shit i gotta watch some eagle heart thank god it's on hbo max because it was unappreciated in its time i'm happy it got three seasons it's great yeah and that last season oh man it's i yeah i've talked about before i didn't want to repeat again hey i've been watching eagle heart also this last month but i have but i always appreciate drew mackie's adjacent to hollywood stories i i love that also on this episode uh graham robinson said i'm sure i won't be the first person to tell you bob and henry that as chris elliott fans you need to watch schitt's creek he plays a dirtbag mayor and is in pretty much every episode i feel like you both would love it and in bob's case i'm pretty sure schitt's creek is on the required reading list

for canadian citizenship these days. You know what? I've been meaning to watch it, and I was since it started because I heard Chris Elliott was in it. But I will say some of the fans online are a bit too epic for me about this show. So I have reservations. I'm sure it could be very good. I'm afraid that it won't be. But one of these days I will get around to watching it.

I'll also say as a gay man, sometimes I like the son of Eugene Levy and sometimes I don't like the son of Eugene Levy. And I especially, something about watching Schitt's Creek, about how he's like a rich privileged kid who doesn't understand the world. I'm like, isn't that who you are? A little autobiographical maybe. Yeah. I'm also doing his, he sometimes just does too much of

this sticky gay guy stuff that i'm like isn't that a bit much though like that that kind of stuff i'm like all right i get it that could be a gif i know exactly you could post that under when trump tweeted i still call that a lot i know but look the show could be great i'm saying i haven't watched it and knowing chris elliott's in it does make me want to watch it more it's a mistake to judge things by its worst fans i know the virality of things but that's how you experience media now first is through a tweet of some character going like uh what now yeah i mean uh we've done so many what a cartoons where i was like oh this is a bunch of avatars and gifs i've seen now it all makes sense to me uh yeah like with owl house we just did that we recorded a long time ago by the

way it's going live this month but with that one i'm like oh that's where that's from okay yeah no when i finally saw uh in the first season of avatar the video like that character passing out i'm like oh that's the gif i get it now avatar was full of gifts i'm sure the creators would love us to hear us say that yeah uh so up next we have uh death note Rebirth. And Savvy William says, Thank you for doing Death Note, Bob and Henry. And this is Bob saying, Thank you. You're welcome.

You added the term success robot to my lexicon, and now I have a way to describe the kind of person I was in high school as a product of the Bush administration's No Child Left Behind initiative. Also, since you mentioned the Shonen Jump app in this episode, I'd love to hear if you've continued with the promised Neverland manga, and if either of you are reading anything new, mashall or chainsaw man and this is bob responding i've been meaning to pick up uh the promised neverland manga where i left off a few years ago but that ending of season two left such a bad taste in my mouth i think i might save it

for the plane when i go to canada again it'll be a nice read for a two and a half hour flight to canada next time the uh the jump app is so good i really gotta read chainsaw man everybody i respect uh on opinions on comic books love that comic but right now i'm reading ahead of the anime coming out jojo's bizarre adventure part six like i i want to read the jolene arc uh in color and if you know the internet you know where to find that i look it's not my shown jump app's great except when it comes to jojo where they're still in fucking part four that's weird come on like the tv show of part five's out just give us i i know it's probably just a rocky being you know weird in his way but anyway i the shown jump app's great just give it

three dollars a month as penance for any time you read um non-licensed japanese comics marcy furrer furrer also says i hope you don't consider this too much of a spoiler it's a reveal what happens in episode two if i recall correctly but i'm very surprised you didn't bring up the fact that light's father is a police officer and how it obviously must have affected light's views on crime and the justice system. You know, I never really considered that, but I could see that. I think if it does say anything about that, it's unintentional, but I'm sure it's unavoidable. And you just read the manga.

Isn't his father like the chief of police? He's like deputy chief. He's far up there. And I think the main the main purpose of that is like, oh, is it interesting? The villain, his father is the one working on the case and he doesn't even know. Yeah, the father is against the villain. I'm like, yeah, it's definitely the show, the comic didn't have much negative to say about the police. I think sometimes they're like, well, this police officer is dumber than some or this one is too trusting or whatever.

But the same of like the comic doesn't have much to say about light they treat it as okay of like well yeah light kills prisoners and that's okay because they're bad it's like well just because someone's in prison doesn't mean they're actually literally guilty of the crime they're convicted of uh the the show and the comic does not deal with that i that's what i liked about the 2021 that it it dealt with more of the realities of the world like there's great bits of the character saying oh i guess you could do that in like 2003 but there's no way you could do that now it really feels like the author had read a lot of of death note think pieces and death note reflections to be like oh yeah all the social commentary is now feeding my next story i know from reading bakuman as well that they absolutely

read what people say about them online and then write characters to say a response to that like if there was a plot hole six chapters earlier then a character will say you know what i think i know why that person was actually able to do that and then they give a cover reason for it so there they are uh i think the writer definitely understands uh the plot holes and is annoyed by them. Okay. So our final episode for this What a Cartoon question reading session is for the Savage Dragon episode, She-Dragon. And James Eldred, who was the patron who picked that one, says,

Great episode. Larson's politics seem to be very centrist overall, but I think that Trump did radicalize him a bit to the left if his twitter feed is any indication i wouldn't read too much into him making dragon a cop at the time i recall him saying that he did it because he thought it was a novel idea the idea of spider-man just being able to string up criminals and that being justifiable for an arrest seems strange to him i think besides dragon was only a cop for a short time in the long run of things i believe he quit the force sometime after god helped him get out of hell yep it's a weird book that is uh i do remember that now that he didn't stay after he dies and goes to hell uh there's a cover of god saying like fuck you or whatever to him and it like bleeps out the it's really weird so many uh image characters are going to heaven they're going to

hell god also describes what heaven will be like to dragon when he goes there and later dragon finds out that that is that god was telling the truth uh and uh also on that there was a lot of talk about not so much the show itself but larson and image creators as well uh ron sterling had a very interesting take and i i'm uh let me read it here my spicy image comics take rob leifeld is the jack kirby of our generation hear me out no leifeld isn't nearly as talented nor as creative or prodigious as kirby but he is a guy who with limited training broke big in comics and his work in style did have an outsized influence on the generation that followed. Liefeld certainly wasn't the only one to embrace the ratitude of the early 90s, but he is the guy who ratcheted that up to 11. Like Kirby before him, he changed the visual language of comics,

pushing styles to extremes, even when it broke the reality of the page. They both pioneered trends that were imitated for decades. They even share having a notable limitation in their drawings. Famously, Liefeld can't draw feet but Kirby put beefy square fingered man hands on everyone look at the meat hooks on Sue Storm and tell me that's not where the spring where the Seinfeld writers room got the idea for the man hands episode I have absolutely no love for Liefeld the man or his work for that matter but Deadpool ain't going anywhere andiefeld, the man, or his work for that matter. But Deadpool ain't going anywhere.

And you got to give the man responsible his due. And, you know, yeah, it's like he co-created him with Fabian Neseas. But it's that the Deadpool argument is very true. Was Jack Kirby ever in a Levi's jeans commercial? I don't think so, sir. No, he wasn't. I mean, Liefeld learned from Kirby's uh pains as well I think I uh I agree with Ron Sterling on a lot of this like he's

he is correct that Liefeld and Todd McFarlane but Liefeld maybe even more because he was more bombastic he actually did have so much outsized influence on the world of comics in the 90s and if you see just like if you see a jack kirby page if you see a lie felt page you know it's a lie felt page instantly you can see everything that ripped him off for like the 15 years following his work and i guess too if he's worse than jack kirby that's because america's worse than it was uh no you know what things in the 90s that's me saying things were better in the 60s uh which you know that's not true but it's not uh but uh i appreciate that argument ron thank you yeah thank

you that blew my mind but yes another great episode of talk to the audience so much stuff is happening again we are scaling back on what a cartoon uh that begins in july of course uh but until then it's going to be a new one every week throughout the end of june and then all throughout june july and august is going to be our disney renaissance for the what a cartoon movie series so that's coming up soon too and on also on talking simpsons lots of big huge guests yeah big guests yeah and and we booked a cool guest coming up uh in july for what a cartoon as well i think you guys are going to really like and And don't forget to vote in our Disney Renaissance one. So Lion King, Little Mermaid,

Beauty and the Beast, or Hercules. It's up to you to choose which one. And a very brief teaser for all of you out there. Very, very soon, Henry and I will be on a podcast as guests, the podcast that we love. So figure that one out.

It's going to be a big deal for us and we can't wait to do it. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, I cannot wait. It's going to be so much fun for us and we can't wait to do it. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, I can't. Cannot wait. It's going to be so much fun. So take care, everybody. And we'll see you next month for another episode of Talk to the Audience.

And we will see you then. Wow. Infotainment.