Talking Simpsons - Talk to the Audience?!? - December 2020

Episode Date: January 6, 2021

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I heartily endorse this event or product. Mackie and you'll have to speak up I'm calling from Canada who else is here with me today hey it's Henry Gilbert celebrating a summer Christmas during Christmas and in case you don't know this is talk to the audience our monthly community podcast and every month we talk about what's going on in the Simpsons world and in our world and then we handle questions and comments from the last round of episodes and if you're on the patreon this will come on the last week of the month and if you're on the free feed this will come in the last week of the month. And if you're on the free feed, this will come in the first week of the month on the Talking Simpsons feed. Yes. Yeah. This is a special one because this is the first one we've recorded while me and Bob are not in the same room for talk to the audience. Unfortunately, we can't read your minds and know what you'll post on our Patreon yet.

That feature has not been enabled by Patreon. And yeah, I hope all you listeners have been having a happy holiday season as as much as possible in this time uh me and bob have had a nice one yeah in case anyone doesn't know i keep talking about it over and over again on every podcast but uh i was separated from my fiancee for nine months from the beginning of march of 2020 and then uh until mid-december. And that's when I came out here to Canada, which is where I am now. I'm coming back in about a week. But now we've been in quarantine for 14 days. This is the last day of quarantine. So we can finally leave the apartment

after today. And we're looking forward to that. This has been a different month for us, though. The podcast, like we are so far ahead. You wouldn't know it. It was really weird posting. I posted episodes this week that we recorded in October. And I also collected comments from episodes that we recorded in August. And so my brain is all over the place right now. Yeah, I think I only had to post one thing and that was for Retronauts. And it was a podcast I recorded at the end of September. So I don't remember anything that happened on that podcast. I just know it was right before we recorded at the end of september so uh i i don't remember anything

that happened on that podcast i just know uh it was right before we finished recording talky futurama oh man and even that feels like forever ago i 20 2020 is a year that felt like no time at all passed and that every day was the same and it's like secretly yeah secretly a year of our life was stolen yes oh god i mean i think well that's how it felt to us anyway i wonder you know probably a lot of days were harder for other people too it sucks but uh a bad year that uh at least it's uh ending but now it's been defeated yeah it's been defeated in 2021 will be different because a calendar changed yes that one is significant yeah uh but i guess you know we we always start these out with the simpsons news so why don't

we get into that so there was a recent simpsons christmas episode they're doing a lot more of these uh almost seemingly like every year it seems now that uh for for a long time it felt like you'd rarely get a christmas episode and now there is one pretty regularly i think and even if they don't do an episode formally they'll still give you like a christmas intro yeah i think i wonder if they took that from like you know american dad and bob's burgers especially bob's burgers they just do a christmas and a thanksgiving and a halloween every year they they shake it up very different from the simpsons taking like six years off in between christmas episodes and in the classic era and yeah this i saw somebody on twitter note that in a 12 month period from last december to this december they aired three christmas episodes because yeah they

had their end of 2019 one and then in may for some reason their season finale was the christmas episode and then they just put out this christmas episode as well at christmas time i think it took them about 10 years to get out of the shadow of uh the first episode because that defines the simpsons for a long time and that's why bill oakley and josh weinstein were the first to say let's do another one in season seven so like six years had passed since the last one yeah which i i just re-watched that one over the christmas break it brings a tear to my eye every time and unfortunately i'm a bit behind on new simpsons because i was just so busy getting ready but uh when i since we've been in canada together nina and i have been watching uh new quote uh meaning old simpsons pretty much

regularly throughout the last two weeks so we've been going through seasons 20 and 21. Oh, wow. And I guess our listeners will hear that, those podcasts in 2028 or something like that. Well, that's impressive that you've been watching this. I did. I have not. That's such a blank area for me. Just random.

Maybe once or twice I've watched a 20 or a 21. But I did watch this Christmas episode though the uh the one that just aired last week or two weeks ago uh springfield summer christmas for christmas it's uh it's a really good concept episode i have to say it's uh it's a selman run one and i do think selman takes bigger risks with his and i i end up liking him more like so i don't know if you heard about the concept for it bob it's a parody of a hallmark christmas movie yeah nina did see it and she did film me on what it was about i really liked it i like that it was uh i mean you have to have watched those hallmark christmas movies which fortunately they've been on the background of most of my visits to my mom in the last decade so i know them pretty well and the way it fills in

all of those blanks and i and how springfield just becomes the small town where christmas movies happen uh and at first i was like oh skinners the good down home boyfriend the the middle america new boyfriend i that felt a little weird to me at first and then of course with the funny ending it made it all work out and i was fine with it not to fully spoil the episode for people but it was good i i think i end up liking the selman ones more these days because i think they're just he takes a crazier concept i i haven't watched as many of his ones where like the family is centered to it and it's a traditional episode but uh concept ones like this are pretty great he's got that youthful 50 year old energy the show really needs

oh and i also watched a second new episode from this month was the because i didn't realize nel scoville wrote a brand new episode of simpsons yeah i did see that uh her tweet about it from a while back and uh yeah famously she wrote she wrote the one fish, two fish, whatever. It's too complicated of a title because they were pretty complicated back then. But the Fugu Fish episode. And then because of politics, we've talked about in the past, but Sam Simon was like no dames in the writer's room. So she was never formally hired to write for the show, even though she should have been.

And we interviewed her a few years ago on the Patreon. Yeah, yeah. And her about her work on there and also her book in her book really if you read that you'll just the chapter on the simpsons you learn so much about how writing for the show and just the the the writer's room of season two worked it's it's really interesting and yeah the uh she noted it on her twitter like she set a record of the longest time between episodes of simpsons written for a writer 30 years i think uh to be uh i think it's like 30 years and two months because it was like late 1990 when the blowfish episode aired i think the second one uh second place might go to Jeff Martin because I think it was like 26 years or 25 years because he went from season four to like season 28 or 29. Yeah.

But Scoville's got him beat now. True. I watched the episode. It's called Sorry, Not Sorry. And it's a Miss Hoover centric one. And it's all right. What's interesting to me is that it has a lot of like it feels like she picked up writing in the style of season two and they kind of made it a really more like season three or four because

there's a bunch of cutaway jokes that i'm just like wow that's not what i think of the simpsons doing now but uh in in the 90s it was what simpsons did a whole lot i'm just looking at jeff martin's writing credits he went from homer's barbershop quartet his last episode in 1993 to how lisa got her marge back in 2016 so that's only 23 years oh just 23 yeah long enough for all of his children to become adult age and then right for the show yeah but yeah i really want to see that because uh i mean she did kind of get screwed back in the early 90s uh because of sam simon so i do want to see another sc, uh, I mean, she did kind of get screwed back in the early nineties, uh, because of Sam Simon. So I do want to see another Scoville episode of the Simpsons. Yeah.

And it's an interesting one about how like, you know, women are expected to apologize for everything and not, uh, it, it's, uh, it's definitely fits in with her,

you know, um, the, the feminist writing stuff she did in her, about her career in her book as well. Like it definitely, uh, it feels like Nell was coming from a real place there i do want to know more about miss hoover too because i will say it has been weird to watch season 20 and 21 episodes because you realize how often miss

kerboppel was in the show yeah before uh marsha wallace passed away yeah you're right it's uh yeah it was really missing in these episodes when i saw skinner uh in the christmas episode be cast as you know the boyfriend for the or the new love interest for the new character i was like all right man he's he hasn't has he had a girlfriend since since edna i was having trouble remembering and i just felt sad so and I guess in happier news, Josh Weinstein recently, and I was following this pretty closely, he created a thread of misunderstood Simpsons jokes.

So it was a chance for fans to ask him, like, what does this joke mean? And in many cases, I liked a few of these tweets. Often, I think people were looking for explanations for things that were meant to be unexplained and that infuriated me.

But overall, the thread was very nice and I'm happy he created it. It was a cool thread what i liked about it was that it he called in and like tagged in other simpsons writers and a lot of them would come in and be like oh i remember it being this or i remember it being that like uh and josh josh also you know he was talking about things that were after his time on the show. And he was clear on that too. Like, well, Scully took over then. He could answer that.

But it's a funny joke. Like, that was really cool. There were several times where I think they were jokes that we did address. And I was still surprised that people took them in ways that I never did. The one that really sticks with me is when ralph says oh boy sleep that's where i'm a viking i am still shocked to think that some people read that as ralph bragging that he's really good at sleeping yeah actually uh nina and i had a debate about that and that was her interpretation oh really she was also younger than me when she saw the

episode so i think her explanation was not to put words in her mouth but she's actually right Oh, really? something is like i'm a viking as to say i'm the best at something that uh that idiom didn't make any sense to me and i i just took it as you know with the kind of special jokes they make with ralph akin to how he saw snagglepuss going to the bathroom i assumed it was just his uh scarily overactive imagination and that it meant that every time he dreamed he was a viking like that was my interpretation yeah and then and so when he finally had power in the world is in his dreams yeah and and but the funniest exchange on that was when somebody asked josh about that and he said you know i never took it to mean anything other than when he dreams he sees himself as a viking then

mike scully chimed in he's like oh I actually did read it as him being the best at being a Viking when that joke was pitched. And then Merkin replied to that and said, if I'd known that, I'd have fired you for misunderstanding the joke. That's awesome. I have to give Josh Weinstein credit for being very patient with some people who are asking

just very obvious questions. And my favorite one, not to pick on anybody, I won't give their name, but he pointed out the NASA episode, the Homer Goes to Space episode. And the guy with the blackjack that keeps clubbing people, the one NASA guy says, where did you get that anyways?

And the other guy says, sent away, like, you know, I sent away for it. And somebody in the thread was asking, like, what is sent away? Is that the name of an American store? And Josh said, he just meant he sent away for it. Wow. I have to give him credit for being very patient with those people but hey

he solved that guy's uh riddle so uh you know that guy's happier now i i like that at the end of it josh compared it to eating 64 slices of american cheese after doing it for like 24 hours there well you know this isn't just about me shaming people for getting not getting jokes i didn't get because there was at least one where even now i still had a moment of like oh it was that which was it may i bet we talked about it when we did the episode but when the germans take over and homer is overcompensating they'd be like hey lenny be more safe i always heard the line he says after be more safe he says safe and up that's what i thought he said like safe yeah but then apparently it is safe enough as in saying

someone is safe enough right now i like safe enough because he's just making up a different use of safe yeah i i it's funnier to me that homer would make up a stupid word than say somebody is being safe space enough yeah but appear in is i saw in that thread apparently safen up is into the word there so i do i do like how there are no answers to certain things that's why the joke is funny like what is wrong with mo's oreo you're not supposed to know why does marge think a potato is neat you're not supposed to know that's the joke which is what i like people are discovering that about humor in this thread i think it's a learning experience yeah we we all get to learn about the humor of man yes uh so yeah that's an awesome thread check it out you're right henry i

do like all of the writers chiming in you actually get to find out like who who pitched this joke or like how different writers are interpreting different things that we just assume was conventional wisdom i think and i think it's still growing i think i just saw jeff martin reply to a new thing in there so and i will take i will take partial credit for inspiring that thread even though it wasn't me at all but uh josh weinstein said i was in the thread when someone was asking him a question it was a different thread altogether and he was like you know what i should create a thread about misunderstood Simpsons jokes. And I said the first one should be the Jibbersea guy say goodbye to his shoe.

So that is why he kicked the thread off with that one because I inspired him. Me, Bob Mackey. I saw that happen real time, Bob. And I agree. I think you are correct that you you did uh push it into action there that i think he would have done it without me to be fair but i just i demand credit on the av club that that i mean that shoe gag again was always very clear to me it's like yeah homer once saw somebody else yell at a shoe not just saw someone do it but in the past he had seen it

and i think it was just because it was fun ad-libbing between Dan and Albert Brooks that there was never a line written down on paper they could reference. Yeah, it's just that Albert Brooks goofs around, and him and Dan especially just have so much good chemistry together. That's why I wish they'd do some more of that in the last eight years or so. I mean, what's Albert Brooks up to? He tweets a few times a week, but otherwise I'm not sure. I say bring him on as a regular cast member.

Yeah. And more news for Simpsons stuff. We have Nancy Cartwright, the voice of Bart and Nelson and Ralph and many other characters is now starting a masterclass for online voice acting. And in case you don't know know masterclass is a very expensive patreon for celebrities only uh yeah apparently you learned something i've seen funny i will admit the only times i've seen clips from masterclasses is when they are like mocking like oh this is what especially in um in the pre-cancellation days of him just seeing how what a psycho kevin spacey was

in his masterclass that was part of the that's the only time i heard of master classes same here yeah i mean it seems pretty cool i just whenever i see these i feel bad for the people that assume if they buy these things they will immediately become famous or successful yeah yeah though i mean not i'm sure nancy has a ton of stuff to share like she's yeah she's been a professional voice actress for close to 40 years now like that that long and learned from one of the masters dawes butler so yeah i mean it's been it's been 20 years since her last memoir i think it's time for a new one and i did read that one back in the day i feel like i should i haven't i'm sure it's a lot of like uh i just have to read the Scientology between the lines on those.

I was looking for it back in like, I don't know, 2002. I didn't catch like a whiff of Scientology in that whole book. Yeah, I mean, you know, well, that was like 20 years ago. Now she really would know, like, don't let's not talk about Scientology. But yeah, like apparently this is what I didn't know about Masterclass is that you don't sign up for individual people you just sign up for the entire program and uh you can just access anybody's masterclass yeah i i had considered my husband suggested it as like a possible birthday gift for my mom and i'm like yeah i think there's probably people on there she'd want to watch their masterclass of but uh i will say that uh our masterclass

for learning about what a cartoon movie is 120 a year and theirs is only 180 so uh i don't know i think it's a pretty good deal yeah we're way and i think i know much more than bob eiger about stuff so you'll learn more from us so yeah next we have some news about uh censorship in the simpsons although when i read this article i think it was being really, I don't know, it was not tvma and the joke is that uh one of the plot is that Bart and Milhouse watch a red band trailer for you know a sex comedy romp called Project After Party that's full of you know typical dirty jokes you see in all of those movies and an old lady gives the finger like just the the middle finger up as Homer is trying to prevent them from watching the rest of the video. So apparently, I didn't see this when it aired, but apparently when it aired on TV, they did blur out the middle finger.

But on Simpsons World and apparently other streaming places, the middle finger wasn't censored. So if you had Simpsons World world you didn't see it pixelated but now on disney plus it is pixelated once more my my theory is it's not that they intentionally censored it it's that they were just given the broadcast version of the show of the episode and i don't know to me the broadcast version should be the definitive version unless something really funky happened. I don't ever consider like the Simpsons Now version to be like the official definitive episode. Yeah, I agree. I feel like broadcast is in almost all cases the one I want to see. Like when the DVDs, I liked that the DVDs had versions occasionally that had bits that got cut out only to fit in like a Michael Jackson video.

Specifically, the episode with Truckasaurus. They cut out a bit of stuff in it to make space for Deep, Deep Trouble, I think it was. And so they restored some scenes on the DVD version. But, you know, I feel like we should treat it like no broadcast is what we should see unless something extreme was deleted for the broadcast and uh bringing it back matters but pretty much i think they should just stick with the broadcast version uh and also i mean technically yes this is censoring or bringing the censored version to disney plus but you can still see i'm assuming i haven Disney Plus but you can still see I'm assuming

I haven't checked but you can still see Bart's doodle on Disney Plus so I feel like they they haven't censored everything yet I thought that when we watched the episode or sorry the movie recently did we watch it on Disney Plus yeah I believe we did yeah yeah so yeah we saw that doodle you can still see a cartoon boy's penis on Disney+. That's the Disney Plus promise. Yes. It's the price of admission. So, yes, another bit of news that I found interesting, and I watched this whole video, is that a prototype for a Dreamcast Simpsons game was discovered by Sreek, I guess the online person's name is.

And it was going to be called Simpsons Bug Squad developed by a defunct Scottish developer Red Lemon and you can watch a video of this online there's no audio it's just like a prototype as to say like this is how this game would function and it's a it's a very non Simpsons fly creature basically being moved around the Simpsons house in 3D and

I will say that this game never came into being but it probably would have been bad based on like this era of Simpsons games. They were all bad. And I can't imagine navigating a 3D world with only one analog stick. That was the Dreamcast's biggest failure. But it is still pretty cool to see. Yeah, it was really neat to see these.

Well, also that like as video game fans, and Bob, you're a professional video game historian. Oh, yeah, I'm wearing my badge right now but to see that even now 20 years after that uh demo was probably made to that you can discover a new dreamcast proposal uh of a game like that's amazing to me and that uh but but yes i think you are very right that the game would be bad, especially because I looked into what the developer Red Lemon had done before, and it's just crap. They developed licensed game crap that nobody liked that was like, oh, this was a bad PlayStation game. That's all.

They did Farscape, the video game. Oh, yeah. Probably not good. I didn't play it but probably not good but it would have been pretty cool if I I like to think the the very you know non interesting looking bug that you play as in the demo I would I like to think that that is a stand in for like you would play as fly Bart and it would be part of that treehouse of horror like that would be pretty cool i wish you could unlock human fly here get that guy in there bonus character maybe

it would play like that mr mosquito video game which yeah it actually predates uh that game so you know they could have had that first yeah that red lemon guys they should be uh suing yeah whoever did that game i think they are not in business anymore uh so more news which kind of confused me so harry shearer kind of clarified a comment he made before that we actually commented upon uh and the original quote was something he gave during a irish radio interview and i guess they were asking him about a poo i don't think enough context is provided even in this article, but they just asked him what an actor's job was

and he said to play people they're not and that was taken out of context. But I still don't understand why a radio station personality would ask him that strange of a question without it being incredibly loaded. I still don't understand. Yeah, well, to that you have to understand the Irish

and that's impossible. I just can't. No, but that's a kidding, kidding. They don't even yeah well today you have to understand the Irish and that's impossible I just can't I know but that's a kidding kidding I don't even know what an actor is uh but yeah it just it all seemed I I will say this new context in this variety interview uh with him it's more him going like he it sounded like he was uh it just was a game of telephone that he just did uh an interview and said uh you know he he said his quote was the job of an actor is to play someone you're not and then he said somehow that uh went around and made it sound i mean definitely it it turns into a spicy headline of like does harry shearer disagree with this thing like yeah which he's very clear in this variety interview that he's like no i don't disagree with it it you know uh actually here i'll read his quote in here for

those tempted to misinterpret what i said the decision making roles in the business decisions as to what stories to tell and how to tell them should be filled by a representative example of the audience so that they should could see their stories represented in your work it just makes sense so i want to like i would like to hear the whole interview or at least that part of it because i want to say that it probably was like the uh the interviewer was asking like trying to ask a deeper question like what is an actor harry harry is like well an actor just plays characters moving on like i feel like he took it literally or something because i don't understand why anyone would ask that question. Like, literally, like, what is an actor? It just it seems odd to me. But like, I don't think that's what Harry meant. It just it's still a lot of fuzziness around what happened. And I really wish the article would have quoted the actual radio interview instead of just like a clarification about it. But maybe it's hard to find to get your hands on i don't know and and also it seemed like he barely wanted to answer simpsons questions in this because there's like two questions and the

other one is the other one's like hey uh what do you feel like going from streaming the simpsons from fox to disney and he's like so far it makes no difference it's made no difference to me how i'm treated or what's going on so far if my checks hadn't changed i wouldn't have known so nothing is more frustrating to me than a harry sheer interview it's just they you'll get one simpsons question and a glib answer and that's it and i god i wish i wish his attitude would change it's it's it's a shame but uh happy 77th birthday to harry sheer by the way yes yeah happy birthday yeah i think in this case the interview it's like well let's talk about your christmas themed album mocking the interview, it's like, well, let's talk about your Christmas themed album, Mocking Donald Trump. It's like, oh, boy, exciting.

Yeah, I'm not going to be preordering that or getting the digital version. And I'm sure I'm sure some people like it, but not not my kind of thing. We respect our president here. That's why. No, no, no, no. Yes. But yeah, Harry Shearer still hanging in there. Hopefully he'll have a brighter attitude about The simpsons at some point uh in his lifetime but uh moving on to uh life imitating the simpsons once again this episode is now what 27 years old or 28 years old and uh finally reality has caught up with parody in that the mayor of austin basically did what mayor quimby did during a quarantine he uh

you know issued a little video from his supposedly his office uh but not really because he was actually taking a tropical vacation somewhere yeah he was in cabo san lucas like cabo the most like frat bro we hang out place there is and going traveling and then yeah that he and he gets caught on it just makes him look even worse like just and uh it's really especially because you would figure if he's the mayor of austin texas you would figure he is a more liberal mayor uh than than most and you would think he would you know have a little sensitivity to not go on a vacation to cabo while all your constituents are suffering in in a pandemic yeah i was reading a statement on this he goes quote i regret this

travel my my fear is that this travel even having happened during a safer period could be used by some as justification for risky behavior when was there a safe period in the past 10 months yes yeah i don't ever safe to go to cabo since mark no definitely not the guy i mean the guy just wanted to do it's a it's the same this sadly is a pretty bipartisan thing with a lot of leaders in america as they don't i they the you need to shut shit down but if people are seeing that you know like our governor in california just decides now i'm gonna go to a fancy restaurant eat indoors with all these people like let's just do it it's like

well then who cares why should we shut those windows more more wait staff in this room please i can't i have to breathe in their face to tell them that they didn't chill my uh drink properly you know like i heard about the french laundry when i moved here uh to the bay area uh but i never knew it would be spoken of in such uh horrible terms later in my life uh i wish, you know, that sadly the guy wasn't caught because a steel drum guy walked through his shot. It would have been funnier then. I didn't watch the video, but I just assumed there was a luau happening outside of his window or something.

And finally, we have a recently unearthed little Simpsons bit of history. Thanks to the Simpsons history uh account on twitter uh they discovered the simpsons appearing at the the 50th anniversary of the ice capades uh december of 1990 and it's fun and uh it is uh dan and julie and nancy doing the voices uh lisa is strangely silent during that entire clip uh even 30 years ago yeah 30 years ago they underwrite lisa for this ice capades thing it's uh i just love i'd never seen this before it's always fun to see a thing i'd never seen before i'd never heard of this ice capades thing even though you know as a kid i went to uh i got my mom forced

dragged her to go to a bunch of those like blank on ice shows like sesame street on ice disney on ice all that stuff that was never part of my life but i knew like in the 90s those were huge maybe even in the early 2000s the disney on ice stuff especially oh yeah super big oh you know i think i had seen part of that clip before because the the uh the twitter account didn't post the entire thing but i remember uh maybe it wasn't from this one but another one where like the simpsons characters are there and making fun of the fact you know how cheesy everything looks and marge goes maggie how you've grown because you know there's an adult person inside the maggie costume oh that's funny i don't know if that was

part of that routine or another one but i have seen a similar simpsons on ice thing with the voices of the characters actually being the real people it's it's really cool here i'll play i have a tiny bit of it queued up here actually are you sure you know where you're going homer yeah dad because i don't want to miss the big finale hey i said we would lose that usher if we ducked into the ladies room and we did now i'm telling you we will have the best seats in the house and we will and then they come out and start skating i do like the comedy skating of the of the guy in the homer thing like oh boy i can't turn like i there's something funny of just watching a very skilled ice skater pretend they're not good at ice skating

i guess yardley was there which made it weird because lisa has an entire routine where it's just silence so they recorded one line for the start in that thing but they didn't put lisa talking during the performance and yeah that's even stranger to underwriter to that degree there's some good ice break dancing by bart in that clip too i recommend it that's uh that's cool yeah i think and i i think they snuck in a few like kind of clever jokes in there just the usual uh it it has the tone i wonder if gene and reese wrote it some of the homer exchanges especially the bit about hiding in the women's bathroom uh to avoid an usher that feels like a gene and reese kind of bit for homer i think and now it's time for the best news on

talk to the audience news about us and happy holidays to everybody out there you're either right before new year's or right after new year's depending on when you're listening to this but we hope you closed out 2020 as best as possible. We had a lot of fun, a lot of downtime for both of us. I've been in Canada since mid-December. I'll be coming back to America in early January. And I'll be getting married on the 2nd of January. So maybe when you're listening to this, it might have already happened.

And by the way, it's not a huge wedding. It is like the minimum amount of people we need legally to be officially married in canada so uh please uh i know you might be concerned about us but uh yes i just want to let everyone know it's not even like one of those don't worry we were socially distanced it's not even that it's like no minimum amount of people will all be locked behind steel walls and communicating with walkie talkies until we're legally married in canada so that's everything gonna be okay and that's after the two weeks of quarantine to just be sure you are not infected yourself either yeah nina's been quarantining with me too so all the covet in our bodies has died officially as of today and and again you guys wouldn't do an in-person wedding i don't think if canada wasn't

forcing you to for it to be counted as a legal marriage that's a good point yeah like uh in america you can do video weddings apparently but not so much in canada so uh they're making us risk our lives but yeah i mean you're not yes this is when you guys say you're getting married this is not a big this is not like a kim kardashian giant party anything like no no it's basically like a courthouse wedding in someone's yard and that's basically it and then once everything is uh safe and my parents and other people can come to canada we are going to have an official ceremony as we plan to do in uh april of last year before everything changed so yeah this is just to basically uh we're gonna get married

anyways but now this will make it easier for me to come to the country as as an official husband so the power of being in a marriage instead of just simply a long-term partner boo you need that marriage for it to be uh important enough for canada i won't have to get my permission slip signed by the canadian government anymore i'll be an official uh husband allowed into the country we uh hopefully not as interrogated by american customs officers anymore so and nina just came in to tell me that even if i get married virtually somewhere else canada won't recognize the wedding so that's why we're doing it this way here yeah you're not you're not left with many other options unfortunately but you guys are dealing with this as as responsibly as can be i would say and uh yeah it's uh it's i i'm very happy for you guys you

know i i'm i'm sad i uh me and my husband can't be there uh for your nuptials but i look i look forward to the you know when everything's normal again and and the big the big wedding uh finally happens so that'll be not to uh go on too long about this but i was surprised that the people at customs were the nicest they've ever been. And I was preparing for the worst. I was preparing for like being taken into another room and having to plead my case and show them emails and forms and birth certificates and maps. But none of that happened. It was super smooth, super quick.

No weird questions like I always get. So weirdly enough, like everything getting here and getting through the airport was just fantastic and great. That's great. I was definitely, you know, I had my concerns. I was crossing my fingers and sending out those vibes for you because I just I had no clue what travel was like right now after after everything that's been going on. So I was so happy to hear how smoothly it went, because, yeah, yeah, I was a little nervous for you during that day. And I was very happy to hear your travel went great. And little Louie is currently at the bird store being boarded. So he's safe and quiet and probably having a lot of fun with his new friends until I come back.

Yeah, everything's been pretty normal for me on this side. I guess I would say the only thing that didn't feel normal was just going two weeks without podcasting. It felt insane. I had all time off. I mean, we did take I took five days off for Thanksgiving, which was really nice. And that was the first real break I've had all year. But yeah, it did take me a few days to get used to not having my brain constantly on and constantly having notes open and thinking about planning and recording and posting. That was all taken care of for my entire trip. So I had to get used to relaxing. It took a little bit of getting used to. But it's definitely a good recharging period for us.

Oh yeah. I hope you listeners enjoy all the cool podcasts coming your way. In case you missed our previous updates, starting in January, we're going to be doing something a little different with Talking Simpsons in that we'll be alternating between seasons 2 and 12 back and forth

for the whole year. And also next week's release, we're taking a little tiny break in that we're going to be giving you our December 2019 Iron Giant What a Cartoon Movie podcast in the place of a Talking Simpsons. And that is, I guess, around three hours of content. So if you haven't heard it before, that's a nice little gift to you.

And it gives us a little time off. And it's always fun to revisit the Iron Giant, which in the passing years has kind of become a Christmas movie or a holiday movie yeah yeah we had a lot of fun recording it over a year ago and you know I don't know how many Talking Simpsons listeners

know we do the What a Cartoon podcast each month on our premium level Patreon so we figure like why not share one of our favorites and also one that's extra connected to the Simpsons. Cause Brad Bird left the Simpsons to direct iron giant and never came back after. And so I,

I think you, you folks will really enjoy that one. And it's, it, it gives us a week off. And also I think works as a good, just kind of reset from season 11 into our new 2 and 12 dyad. And we've recorded quite a few season 2 ones.

They've been great. It's been just as rewarding as going back to season 1 and they've been very, very long. If you go back to original season 2 ones, they're all about half an hour long. And these are around 2 to 2 and a half hours. And we make the most out of every second. Digging so, so deep. And it's been really great to go back to two and a half hours. And we make the most out of every second digging so, so deep. And it's been really great to go back to those episodes 30 years later. Yeah, we've learned so much about those since we first did them.

Just the creation, the people who worked on them. Like we've done multiple interviews, like, for example, on our Treehouse of Horror one for the original Treehouse of Horror. It's like, you know, five times longer than we did it the first time or four to five times and like we not only had a i have a great guest for that one but also that uh we had since interviewed jay kogan and had his behind the scenes stories we'd never heard before uh and that we could reflect on in in episode. So I think it's, you know, such a great re-exploration. And I look forward to going through all of season two.

And then at the same time, rediscovering season 12. You know, which a lot of episodes I haven't watched in a good while. But I will be just as insightful and informed as always. That's been a lot of fun too. And I will say, after Behind the Music, it's a big step up. I mean, that's been a lot of fun too and i will say uh after after behind the music it's a big step up i mean that's like uh we mentioned it before but like season 11 had like a weird cloudy patch of just like strange episodes polarizing episodes but i think like after behind the music it's an upward arc and i think uh the episodes get a lot more fun and less less

polarizing less big changes fewer wives are dying in those episodes so overall it's gonna be a lot of fun other than that prank monkey one yes we'll have to get over one joke but i think it'll be worth it because there are some good mr burns lines in that episode yeah yeah and we'll we'll we'll make it through it together and i guess really the way the at the pace we do with them we actually won't be done with 2 and 12 until, I think, March 2022. Wow, yeah. Yeah, so enjoy it.

And yeah, we've had some little bonuses on the Patreon and the free feed in the past month. We've had a great interview with Carolyn Omina, so check that out. We'd love to chat with her again, and it was also fun to ask her about Full House. And we've got some inside dirt on John Stamos. So you're going to want to listen to that. I do love to think that John Stamos, who's like nine years into Full House, he's just like, these are suggestions. What are they going to do? Fire me, John Stamos, the lead of the show? No way. I punched up your joke. You should be thanking me, John. But it was funny too that she's like, I love John Stamos like he's a very nice man but he took our our writing and suggestions also just hearing that people in the writer's room whenever they would question something they go like oh wait i'm sorry i i forgot like who cares

we're just need to make a bunch of these and get them out yeah uh so that was fun carolyn is very nice uh very funny and she's been on the show for over 20 years now. Yeah, I think people underestimate just how long she's been on the show. You know, for people who trailed off in the teens of watching The Simpsons, you think of Carolyn Omine as a new person. Like, oh, one of those new people. you know her years days on the simpsons are probably in like the top 20 uh number of years consistently worked on the show as any writer i think so up next we have some news about our upcoming new miniseries so futurama season 2 part 2 just concluded right before christmas and soon we'll be opening up voting for the next miniseries and the picks will be for this one uh 10 episodes of batman the animated series 10 of our favorites uh the first season of this one 10 episodes of Batman the animated series 10 of our favorites

the first season of Daria 10 episodes of Duckman our favorite Duckman or Duckmens and then we're going to continue with season 2 of King of the Hill for the last pick so 10 episodes of Batman first season of Daria 10 episodes of Duckman and second season of King of the Hill part 1 those

are the four picks for the next Patreon miniseries coming in either march or april depending on what we get done and when and don't forget that if we hit fifty thousand dollars on patreon and we're very very close talking futurama will just become a monthly podcast meaning we'll get 12 new episodes a year regardless of what wins what poll yes yeah and in addition to all the miniseries we do yeah those uh you know i think we've had those ones up for vote before uh and usually it comes down to king of the hill or futurama and uh you know as usual we take if the one that won doesn't get another shot after uh just to shake things up

but yeah so you know we've covered two episodes of Batman the animated series and me and Bob love so many of those we've done uh the the season finale is season one of Daria but the whole first season's great Duckman we've covered two of those episodes easily that when we did our Duckman one it's like god I really do want to do talking Duckman and then I immediately thought of like 20 other ones I wanted to talk about oh god, God. Yeah. Yeah. And then on top of that, King of the Hill, I mean, King of the Hill rules. I spent, among other things I watched during this break, I did watch several King of the Hill Christmas episodes. And they are as great as I remembered. They were so good.

Yeah. Season two. I mean, I think we kind of underestimated season one before we started started it but we realized how great it was the season two is even better and it keeps getting better and better from there so i'm really looking forward to no matter what wins uh it'll be good stuff all around for sure and uh we have another poll coming up for uh the what a cartoon movie for february and these are going to be non-miyazaki ghibli movies and we have only yesterday pom poco when marnie was there and whisper of the heart so these are the non-miiyazaki Ghibli movies. And we have Only Yesterday, Palm Poco, When Marnie Was There, and Whisper of the Heart.

So these are the non-Miyazaki movies. You won't find them in your Miyazaki collection, so don't look in there. But if you're in Canada, these are all on Netflix. If you're in North America, HBO Max. Or sorry, just America. Yes, yeah, yeah. I forgot that that's where all the Ghibli films are

in other countries countries it's on netflix but yeah the yeah you know we've done so many uh ghibli films directed by miyazaki that i and i think you know me and you know that there's more than him out there but i think a lot of people don't watch the ones he didn't direct because they're not as well known, but they're all great. Like the two Isao Takahata ones, Only Yesterday and Pompoko, both really good, really interesting, you know, at capturing a certain time in Japanese culture and society. And when Marty was there, I mean, you watched that in a movie theater together, Bob. We did see that back in like 2016. Yeah. Yeah, something like that.

And Whisper of the Heart, directed by the late Yoshifumi Kondo, that is, again, one of my all-time favorite movies, too. I think it's really underestimated in the Ghibli canon. So whatever wins, I think we'll have a ton to talk about to cover how Ghibli films go beyond just our favorite grouch of anime. He is a grouch. And yes, now is the time we talk about the schedule for next month's What a Cartoon for January.

The entire schedule is as follows. The first week we'll be doing the 2017 DuckTales, the town where everyone was nice recorded before it was canceled and then we recorded a little addendum after it was canceled uh just to let you guys know we're aware of the fact that it was canceled yeah it sounded weird at the end before it was like well who knows what's gonna come after season three and then two months later it got canceled but yeah and and't worry, there definitely is a lot of stuff that can be spoiled in the story of DuckTales 2017 if you haven't watched the show.

But the episode we picked does not spoil any of the big character story arcs or any of that. It's just a really good episode with the three caballeros. And the week after that, second week of January is going to be the Flintstones episode, The Great Gazoo, tackling a very important animated show that was very very fun to talk about gazoo gazoo

and uh so many bad imitations of the characters within that podcast but uh it is fun to talk about the flintstones uh now that they're mostly known for their work in vitamins so uh get a count every time i say homer and barney instead of Fred and Barney. It's probably a Simpsons fault. They gave him the beard line. Um, so after that, it's going to be a Disney series amphibia and two episodes are going to be a cane crazy and flood sweat and tears.

You can find that on Disney plus it's a fun, uh, series made from gravity falls folk mostly. Yeah. Yeah. We had a good time with that one. It was, it was,

uh, me and bob hadn't seen it before and now uh i i watched about half of the first season and bob i think is uh watched a ton of it since then we are uh cruising through it it's a lot of fun uh lots of gags and and like cute characters i want i want the uh the sprig plushie someone buy me that actually someone make it first yes there's not enough merch for the series. Disney under-merchandising things is very, it's a strange complaint to have. Yeah. It's always their TV stuff.

I don't get it. And then our last thing of the month is going to be our What a Cartoon Movie episode, and that will be Dexter's Lab movie, Ego Trip. So if you're on the $5 free feed, you'll hear the free preview of that, the extended preview. If you're on the $10 feed at patreon.com slash talkiesimpsons, you'll hear the entire preview of that the extended preview if you're on the $10 feed at patreon.com slash talking simpsons you'll hear the entire thing when it goes live and this is not super available but if you know how to use a search engine you should be able to find it i will say yeah and i mean i it's on internetarchive.org right now you know yeah i feel like that's not illegal to say or like just whisper it to your friends. Don't blow up their spot.

Don't be a narc. All right. It is a great little movie. I'm looking forward to talking about it and digging back into that when I get back to America. The original Dexter finale. It was really good. Normally, this is the part on the podcast where we talk about things we've been doing and playing outside of podcasting. This month will be no different. the podcast where we talk about things we've been doing and playing uh outside of podcasting and uh

this this month will be no different and so as for me like right after we did talk to the audience last month that's when i found out or like right before is when i found out i was going to canada so the next two or three weeks was just me getting everything ready my apartment ready getting things ready for my bird cleaning and organizing and packing and posting and doing too many things so i didn't actually play a whole lot of things. So during our week of Thanksgiving off, I mostly played a lot of Yakuza Like a Dragon. I did not finish it, Henry,

because I was obsessed with doing as many side things as possible until they made me stop and they still haven't made me stop. So I'm on like chapter eight and with like 34 hours, something like that, like something crazy for how little I am into the actual story of the game.

So that's been a lot of fun. I love going to areas of the map where they don't want me to go. I'm like running from every enemy just to unlock new areas of the map and pick up items on the ground and stuff like that. So Yaxa Like a Dragon, super recommended. I did not finish it yet.

Looking forward to playing more of that when I get back to America. And I had big plans for quarantine because even though Nina and I are going to be together for two weeks, my idea was like, well, we'll want to spend some time doing our own things. Right. And we happen. So I thought, like, I have all these games on my Switch I just bought. I'm going to play. But the only the one game I've been playing has been Dark Souls Remastered. Dark Souls is a game I finished a lot.

I probably played like over 200 hours of it so far, but I've been just so addicted to playing a new build on the very good Switch version. So that's all I've been doing in my downtime here in Canada is playing Dark Souls Remastered for like the eighth time. So that's been my downtime here for the most part. That's so funny. I thought, yeah, I thought you might play Hades. Maybe later on your flight back, you can open it up. yeah i you know i beat yakuza like a dragon 80 hours and i'm i'm like three

trophies away from platinuming it but they're like wow they're like three annoying trophies i kind of don't honestly my biggest hang-up is the kart racer there's just to truly beat kart the kart racer you either have to play perfectly or hope the ai messes up to such a degree that you win i got so frustrated that that's finally when i was like i've done everything else and i love this game so much but this kart racer is leaving a bad taste in my mouth at the end of a game i really love so i'm gonna i just put it down at that point you know i wish every game was like near automata and in that game they let you buy trophies with your currency in the game which

is the coolest thing ever just like if i can if i can earn enough in-game money i should be able to buy my way to a platinum trophy but uh yeah i'm looking forward to finishing that and as for watching stuff frankly i've been watching too many things and i could just read a list it would take three minutes because we've been watching like a movie a day often too and lots of TV stuff. So I can just name a few things to not bog this down with too many lists of items. So Nina and I have been following along with We Hate Movies,

We Love Movies Month. They do that every year in December. Instead of doing four bad movies, they do four or five good movies. So since I've been here, we've been following along with them and watching things like Fargo, Batman Returns, and Muppet Christmas Carol, all amazing snowy or christmas themed movies and then nina showed me some of the movies that she likes that i had never seen before so so for the first time i saw the 1951

christmas carol i believe with alistair sim as yes yeah that was amazing i did like that a lot um and i also saw movies like snow piercer for the first time and also Pacific Rim. So those are all new to me and I did enjoy them. Well, I had watched Snowpiercer for the first time about six months ago and I was like, oh, that's pretty good. I wish I had watched it the first time when it was new. Yeah. I don't know what put me off from it or why I didn't seem to care, but I really got into it.

And as always, I like to watch Mystery Science Theater around the holidays, and I was really getting back into it around Turkey Day. So this year, I watched for the first time the newer MST3K Christmas, the Christmas that almost wasn't. And for, I don't know, like the 60th time I watched the MST3K version of Santa Claus Conquers the Martians, which is just the dreariest, just a sour movie that's ugly and awful and uh i kind of hate it but it's uh i like i've memorized all the jokes so just me anticipating my favorite jokes in the episode just like with their episode santa claus the mexican santa claus movie i i really like that christmas that almost wasn't because it's like it's it's italian right like it's it's so very italian and i also like just that the uh they made sure

if they were only gonna get one shot at a new season of mystery science theater they're like we gotta do a christmas episode people love christmas episodes of mst3k we gotta make a new one yeah that one that christmas it almost wasn't that's a lot it's a lot of fun uh it is it is the most basic stupid plot though not to get too far into this but the plot is santa is behind on rent so a man gets him a job then his landlord buys that store and fires him and then santa collects money from children to pay his rent and that's the end of the movie and that takes 90 minutes to get through uh i do like the mr stingley character though he's a lot of fun yes he was a real, yeah, the pickle-faced man

is what they called him. That's right, yes. But yeah, that's it. And as far as like, I like to bring up podcasting stuff because we're podcasters and I do listen to a lot of podcasts. So Nina and I have been listening to podcasts together which is something I don't normally do. And the highlight of this month has been Podcast the Ride.

They did a second episode about McGruff the police dog's musical career and uh i was crying with laughter during it it is amazing uh please give to their patreon and listen to it i believe they recently unlocked the first one for free on their main feed so check that one out too but those are some of the funniest ones and we met those guys in person i told them like that is the one of the funniest podcasts i've ever heard in my life. But McGruff too, did not disappoint. Like it's so funny hearing those songs, praising McGruff. Like it's, and the way they talk about how like McGruff is like, you know, a guy on his second album, who's just like full of himself. Like that's so great. I just, the McGruffuff it's a fun voice to do henry it really

is yeah oh god i and the promise of a mcgruff three is gonna see me through 2021 mcgruff cut like he's got more posthumous albums than tupac i think uh yeah that i i also i also enjoy that beverage, Podcasts Are Right. I endorse it as well. Well, I guess for me in the Christmas time, I definitely binged a bunch of holiday movies and the King of the Hill episodes. I will say watching, I hadn't watched the Hysterical Blindness episode

of King of the Hill in a very long time. I will say the jokes about uh being an adult named hank who has a mother who is starting to date uh someone new it hit me in a different way uh and it actually did make me like oh i love my stepfather he's great he's a great guy uh that that was real powerful and i i watched the muppets christmas carol and it's a wonderful life both of those my my husband had never seen wonderful life before it really it still holds up did you know this movie is pretty great uh what's weird like people went from uh from hating the movie because it was on in on tv so much because it fell into the public domain to loving

it i think we came back around to loving it uh fairly recently in recent history you know there's and it's it's a lot like citizen kane where i notice a new detail like every time i watch it and one of the ones that struck me i i always forget about is like when they say and then the war came and they talk about what everybody did in the war and they show that you know the the evil rich man he he was doing the draft board and he's just calling everyone 1a so he's like sending everybody to war he's like ah fuck these kids 1a that's right yeah oh man like yeah i hope next year i can see it in theaters again because i've seen it twice in theaters now and it's a great experience especially around christmas time to see it with like a whole

group of people and i do cry uh quietly in the theater during that one heart-wrenching scene oh man yeah when he just after he smashes all of his his uh building designs and everything and then turns back to his kids and they're just like destroyed seeing their father brought so low uh it's amazing amazing performance but yeah that's a great movie uh not not not a cartoon sorry and uh And as the government demanded I do, I watched Wonder Woman 84. It's really not very good. They sent it to you in the mail.

The second you turn on HBO Max, it's like, here it is. Watch it, watch it. I will watch Soul, the Pixar movie. I haven't yet though. But Wonder Woman 84 is not good. I don't know. Maybe it's that it just feels like very slapped together.

If you remember the Red Lighter media video where it's them just asking questions about why did this happen in the movie Prometheus, I think they could do the same thing for Wonder Woman 84. Yeah, I think that United Us as a nation during the holidays is that I saw no contrarian, actually, I liked it take. Everyone seemingly, like universally, it's been panned. I've seen people who would like to work on future Wonder Woman things say nice things about it. Look, it's not even, if you ask me what's a better movie, it or Batman versus Superman,

I guess I'd say Wonder Woman 84, I guess. But it's kind of aimless. Like, it's two and a half hours, and then when you ask yourself, like, thematically what questions it raises, it's just like, ooh, that's, this is a dark place to go in thought, whether it comes to how it addresses the Middle East or, you know, Gal Gadot's personal background

in the military, or also the question of how Steve Trevor returns to life and there's a lot of problematic implications that I'd rather I don't want to go two and two because it just spoil it but I maybe it really was that it was a big superhero movie that if we were all watching it on a big screen together and you couldn't hit pause while you watched it for the first time maybe we'd all just have been just starstruck and been like what a great movie but i think because we were all at home and could just pause and be like what the wait what the fuck does that mean like what what if every future superhero movie is like that, though? Maybe. Maybe the spell. Are you saying the spell wore off because we spent a whole year away from the movies?

And you need that crowd energy to like amp up whatever's lacking in the movies. I think so. I think there's like laugh lines in the movie that feel like nothing because you're not laughing with a crowd of people, you know? And I mean, the director didn't want it to be released streaming. They wanted it to be released streaming they wanted it to be a theatrical experience but warner was like this film has to come out we can't we can't wait anymore i will say you should look up the the thread of the uh quote-unquote critics that were

allowed to see it first and what they said about the movie very different than uh the popular consensus on the movie and uh you can bet those critics did use the official hats hashtags as they were mandated to yeah when they were reviewed so you know criticism is honest if there's a hashtag attached that was mandated by a company reminds me of how when right before rise of skywalker came out the earlier reviews were like you know i'm gonna have to think on this for a while this is an interesting film like the no unabashed support for it uh really tells you something in the in those early reviews are also the ones that are like well i can't write my review yet but uh here's some vague tweets about what i'm allowed to say i will say this movie takes some chances oh god yeah i

love it or hate it at the end of the day it's still blank it's uh yeah name of property uh and i and i and for its flaws and it wasn't it wasn't the perfect film either but like the wonder woman film in 2017 was a fine superhero movie i thought it was pretty all right and so i was there i had i had good expectations for wonder woman 84 and it's just like i have a million questions for it that just lead me to like boy what uh this film is just a bunch of mistakes all right other things i go on and on other things i watched uh uh my husband had never seen the comedy bang bang television series before and i think it's really underrated as a sketch comedy show and there's like 110 episodes of it nobody watched it it feels like but it's really great we're like 60

episodes into it now wow wow i'll admit i need to give it more of a chance i think i did watch the first season but my stinky take was like this is not exactly like the three-hour podcast i like uh well and the first season really is you season two they learned a lot and uh season you should just start with season two really if you're uh the sketches are are great i kind of wish it was just the sketches but uh there was some funny stuff in there i will also say i going back through it i'm like oh chris hardwick i'll just skip that interview and then just get to the next sketch like there's uh there's not too many post-canceled people in there that we've stopped by so far just really hardwick and

uh aziz ansari those are the two but uh and also we got a uh there was a dvd box set of every episode of steven universe and our our pals ian and rebecca they they even did brand new audio commentaries for only like three episodes it's it could be a better box set but it was cool to hear them do audio commentaries and as for video games i've become a souls guy it's it's happened oh henry i'm proud of you i wasn't sure if it was for you and i was wondering if you'd actually get into it but i was i was surprised when you told me you finished the demon souls it was so much fun and i i mean i it was fun to play alongside uh my husband as well because he he uh not platinum dip but close to it the original demon souls and

he'd been playing it and uh and you also helped me with a lot of guidance too and it was just it was really like demon souls just is really cool i liked how i did like how segmented the world is which now that i've started up dark souls i'm seeing that's kind of a difference or at least that like souls feels more like winding and sprawling instead of the segmented worlds of demon souls. Yeah, I will say Dark Souls 2 is more segmented and Dark Souls 1 and 3 are the ones that are more like a bigger interconnected world. But once you start opening up shortcuts and stuff, everything will make sense as to how you get to wear quickly so yeah i did 40 hours of demon souls beat it once on on the ps5 version which like that is the only reason to own a ps5 right now i guess that astro playroom perhaps too and now i've started up dark souls

remastered on xbox actually because i wanted to get achievements i'm back to liking achievements bob i do like that yeah like uh i wish they would pop up on switch even if they didn't give me anything or like retain that information just like uh i did a thing like play the chime or something i think it was playing yakuza getting achievements in that it reawakened like oh yeah i did like achievements i spent the entire xbox one not giving a shit about achievements because the xbox one to me was a not good console uh compared to the 360 and so i just stopped giving a crap about achievements because the xbox one to me was a not good console uh compared to the 360 and so i just stopped giving a crap about achievements but when i got him on yakis i was like hell yeah and

also though because i'm a man of of contrast i also played a lot of just dance and uh nina really helped me out with that too she directed me to a lot of fun uh fun songs to dance around to like rasputin that's one of my favorites. I love that song. Yeah, she's been doing that for workouts and stuff. I've been playing Beat Saber with my Oculus, and I will say that was a good quarantine buy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I guess, yeah, you can see the whole world.

The virtual world is more important than ever now. Yeah, the one app I've been using is just basically Google Maps, but it makes you you're outside oh so i do enjoy that that does sound pretty nice man i oh and uh as and last couple things i did read i started reading up a book on the history of the upa animation studio why am i doing that well you'll have to wait for march on what a cartoon podcast for that but that's just a little tease for you uh and lastly i do want to say rip to the pro wrestler john huber slash aka brody lee or also known as luke harper in wwe suddenly passed away at 41 it's it's just so so tragic he was one of my favorite wrestlers he had been doing so great this year in as a performer this was like his big year and then just very suddenly passed away from like a non-covid related lung ailment that uh seems seemingly very rare just out of

nowhere it just happened you know on theth, and it was such a shock. Yeah, I saw a lot of people on my Twitter mourning him. Unfortunately, I didn't know who he was, but he seemed very beloved. Yeah, no, it's, I mean, well, it's also like we're so used to, if you're a wrestling fan, you're used to wrestlers either dying of old age or for something related to, you know, drug addiction or steroids or some sort of lifestyle cause but all these stories about john huber just like no it was just a a freak medical

issue that came out of nowhere and that it's just it makes it all the more tragic and then sad unfortunately but he's he will definitely be missed he was an amazing performer so rest in peace brody lee and actually i have one bit of breaking news that just happened during this recording. So I've had Josh Weinstein's Twitter account open on my computer or Nina's computer because we were talking about his thread like, I don't know, an hour ago. And 15 minutes ago, it was announced that Disenchantment Season 3 or whatever they're calling it is coming January 15th. So that's news. All right. Hey, that is news

that's a good um all right i i look forward to watching that i think some people uh have not been paying as much attention to it since it debuted but i i had a good time when we watched season two as well for part two and this is part three but it's production season two the first whatever so now there's like i guess unless it doesn't get renewed there's only 10 left yeah after those 10 in january yeah then there's only 10 left after that unless unless it gets renewed i wonder yeah i wonder if netflix will renew it if they'll think 40s enough or also like you know it's uh animation production at this time uh is easier to do than live action so maybe they want it more than before who knows and maybe we'll talk to josh or uh someone else

again about the about the show i want to dig back into it and maybe get some more interviews out of that yeah it's it's been over a year since we talked to josh far too no wait we talked for permission hill but we haven't talked to him about disenchantment in a while. So maybe he'll make some time for us for a chat. Maybe after we all watch season three, we can chat with him about it. I think we had one Disenchantment question on our Mission Hill interview, and he only gave out one answer that he could give out,

which was winter of 2021. That's right. He was right. He was right. So moving on to comments and questions for Talking Simpsons, the first one was the road to Cincinnati. That was the new episode of The Simpsons that we went to the table read for that in 2019. So Thrill House Cycling says, what's that you say? Me thanking you? No, it's not a misprint for you. See, I enjoyed writing that article for Canadian Cyclists as, glad you enjoyed the article we wrote up. Tickled pink by the mention in case anyone missed it. This is the article mentioned around the one hour 25 mark about cycling. And there's a link to it in that comment on the Patreon.

And Thrillhouse goes on to say, TBH's podcast is one of the inspirations for the Simpson Cycling meme account. We started back in 2018. So pretty neat to see and hear worlds collide. Keep drawing, as he says. I love that. Thrillhouse Cycling house cycling yeah that's uh i i appreciate i you know when i saw that article come up in my prep for the episode i did not realize it was a listener at first who had done it only when i saw in the comments later

i was like oh it was him that's great and and it really did help i was curious like these the jokes about cycling and that seemed accurate to me. I was like, these seem so specific that it must be correct for cycling. But it was good to hear from an actual cyclist how good or not those jokes were. Also on that episode, Joey Jojo Shabadoo says, this was a really fun episode. Great to hear from Nina again too. I am not from Cincinnati, but my mom and grandmother are. So growing up, my mom made chili spaghetti somewhat frequently.

I love it. You basically boil ground beef with spices, and it's pretty flavorful. I didn't have Skyline's version of chili until I was a teenager, and it is gross. I don't know what they do to it. I think they put cocoa powder in it but it just tastes like it looks terrible but the recipe my mom made was always very tasty however i do think the best ohio food is the buckeye candy which bob might be familiar with it's a peanut butter ball wrapped in chocolate to make it look like a buckekeye tree nut. It is sublime. Thanks again for the fun podcast.

Yeah. Speaking of Buckeyes, Nina and I were sent some Buckeyes from our friends, Carrie and Ryan, who live in Ohio. So it was nice to eat a Buckeye again after, I don't know, 15 or 20 years. And a Buckeye is basically just like a Reese's peanut butter cup you roll into a ball. That's underselling it, but that's essentially what it is. It's Reese's peanut butter cup in ball form. That sounds pretty good. i'd like a taste of that yeah that one ohio is the buckeye state am i correct in that it is it's named after the poisonous nut that you can't eat uh boy that's not so that's sad that represents ohio no matter where you go people are wearing ohio state buckeyes uh gear no matter where where you go in Ohio, they have allegiance to that team.

So there you have it. I think that was the most commented on episode of the month. So many good ones to pick from, including many who had their own thoughts on Cincinnati Chili. So if you'd like to hear a variety of thoughts on it, definitely go back into those comments on the Patreon. So our next set of comments are about It's a mad mad mad mad marge and robert flaxman says commenting on the the world of post-covid ice cream and frozen yogurt he says i went to one of those frozen yogurt places recently and they had little pre-packaged plastic containers of the various toppings out where the open containers usually are so they figured something out although it

is admittedly much less fun so even the yogurt industry was ready for COVID. More prepared than some Austin Mayors, perhaps. Yeah, I guess that does sound less fun, like Robert says, because I don't want to have a controlled intake of sprinkles or crumbled up cookie things you mash up. I want a big scoop as much as i i care to have it's about the spirit of individualism yeah we have to give people choice you know it's about choice ultimately bob if it is if they want to restrict it it's fine but why how dare we put rules upon them the yogurt shop is just an allegory for america as a whole alec whitney says about man man man man marge

martha stewart has a house near me where i grew up and my parents disliked her for different reasons than most she was apparently a very shitty neighbor and there was constant gossip about how awful she was to live near famous curmudgeon charles groden however very boring to live near so interesting like martha like Martha Stewart Nina and I have been watching some like daytime TV and we normally don't watch broadcast or cable TV but she has access to it now so we've been watching a few things and what we recently saw was

an episode of Drew Barrymore's talk show which is fairly inoffensive Drew Barrymore has sort of become like a lifestyle person I guess you want to call her that and she had a kind of a brusque uh interview with martha martha stewart in which like drew barrymore was saying to martha stewart you know uh 2020 was a rough year but i've had a lot i had a lot of time to reflect and think about

what's important to me and important to my life and just what an interesting life i've led how about you martha and martha was like absolutely not i prefer to stay in the present i don't like to reflect on those things let's's talk about what I made today. Jesus. I was just like, yeah, I don't reflect. I'm in the jail. That's so funny. Drew Barrymore's brand does seem to be like mindfulness and a very California nice mom style.

And then Martha Stewart just throws it out so coldly. Like, I don't care. I give you nothing. She's like a Northeastern scowling uh I don't know she's not she's not the the cozy California wine mom that uh that Drew Barrymore is she's also like 30 years older than her that's true yeah maybe maybe Martha Stewart's like I remember when I was only 40 and had a lifestyle brand and then before the entire world made fun of me for 30 years for for what making fun pumpkin uh carvings but her kitchen was very nice even even in this time uh no charles

groden by the way uh i i'd assume he'd always be yelling at beethoven it'd be a real disturbance right any dog that if you walked your dog near his house he would just he would fly off the handle in rage just seeing a dog r.i.p charles groden he's chasing beethoven in heaven uh so behind the laughter sabrina says i really like this episode and my seven-year-old loves the my funny family part he will quote the entire scene at random and we both take him to saying mama mia now i'll have to do it when we are doing chores i do want to comment on lisa's eating caviar thing i don't think that as an ethical vegetarian she would because i believe that a fish must die in order to harvest the caviar seeing her eat it bothers me a tiny bit but yeah i get that this episode is outside the normal reality of the show and yeah you could take it as lisa the actor is not

a vegetarian but the character is yeah something like that but that's how i choose to read it yeah or you know you could i think they suggest this on the commentary too you can read it too as that was from before season six when or seven when she becomes a vegetarian so uh it's just that's like in 1993 eating all that caviar and the salad days of the simpsons and lisa does eat dairy products as she points out to a poo so maybe she just assumed that oh yeah the yeah, the fish lay the eggs. They're not killed. And we all think she's a monster just like Apu.

Yeah. Oh, yes, I do. I also, I think it's very cute that your child just says, Mama Mia, now I'll have to do it. That's super cute. Also on the episode, Sarah says, I was in New York when I watched this episode on its first airing in 2000 and i distinctly remember them them calling the simpsons a northern kentucky family

i gasped out loud and really thought that this was definitively revealing the state that springfield was in i was a dumb 14 year old at the time a little later i found out the different regions airings had different locations funny enough i now work in northern kentucky so that's uh yeah i i thought it was supposed to i guess i i didn't know it was other regions when it aired but i just took it as a joke of like yeah yeah the joke is they're saying this is where the family is now i don't take it as reality because it's not a real episode anyway after all these years they would just say it so glibly at the end of an episode just like oh yeah of course they're from here uh though i did see other comments too that uh shared a similar feeling that i had at the end

of going like oh no this is the end of the this is the end of the simpsons they said it's the last season no that was uh not not true at all but moving on to Wallace and Gromit Curse of the Were-Rabbit our What a Cartoon Movie for November and Bob Shoy says hello from Yorkshire came the comment on the middle age spread in Marrow's not being melons but big

courgettes, zucchinis to you guys but I can see people have already commented on that so I guess Marrow's are zucchinis i suppose yeah that's uh we had we had a few brit corrections though mostly uh brits were on our side of just like oh you guys get it more than most americans do british culture this proves that jeffrey katzenberg was right this movie was too confusing for americans uh the other thing bob shoy says is

a smeg fridges you guys were close smeg does mean dick cheese in the UK, hence being used in Red Dwarf. But it's also the name of an Italian fridge brand that is popular in the UK. And then Bob says, would love to hear more Wallace and Gromit episodes in the future or other art and works. I think that Pirates is quite underrated. It's interesting for me to hear your take on stuff that is so British. And I did know about the Smeg brand of appliances because when Nina and I were out like shopping in Vancouver a year ago I did take a cheeky picture of a Smeg brand appliance and just tweeted it like what the hell that's right yeah that it was news to me but I I appreciate uh it was also a fun unintended back-to-back Britishness of having uh the wind in the willows

and then uh Wallace and Gromit curse the were-rabbit like we we drowned people in quaint northern british's homes oh and by the way uh i did get wensley dale cheese i had to eat quite a lot of it before i left for canada and it is quite good it's very crumbly i got the kind with dried cranberries in it and it does come recommended it was a bit pricey because i got it imported but it was worth it i recommend wensley dale wallace is correct uh and harry thornton also had a quite a big comment uh he said many things i kind of just pared it down to a few of his most interesting additions uh harry thornton says you nailed it with katzenberg and shrek he really did want every dreamworks film for a while to be another shrek i think it finally ended with kung fu panda

which started as a shrek type comedy until a new director came and said hey let's just make a serious kung fu film that happens to be a comedy instead of a comedy with kung fu in it as someone decently familiar with the bino that shonen jump comparison is just too perfect something about artman i'm surprised you guys didn't know about yet though it is now employee owned yes when the founders peter lord and david praxton retired recently they actually put their foot down against the idea of acquisition from a larger company by giving majority control to its employees that was really great to hear i did not know that that it was an employee owned thing yeah yeah it's like uh they they have the good ending that pixar did not

yeah every well it's just uh maybe this is more the american perspective on this stuff but you just go like well yeah obviously when a creator gets old they sell their company and everything that was made for billions of dollars so they can cash out in retirement and i also think uh the american perspective on businesses you don't start a business to make money you start a business to sell that business yeah totally it's uh god uh last thing he said was i didn't get the sean pun until henry mentioned it and i've been a wallace and grumman fan for almost 20 years so i i'll admit it didn't hit me until I was thinking about like, oh, names are puns in these. So, oh, yeah, a shorn sheep, but said like Sean. It's a funny joke.

It's good. Yeah. And one of these days I want to do like a worst of DreamWorks month because there's quite a few bad movies to choose from. I kind of want to see what fish, sorry, Shark Tale is about. From Scott Aukerman. He's one of the writers on them oh dear lord no i think i didn't know that yeah i've only heard him joke about whatever uh occasionally he brings up shark tale and also like it's probably the most money he's made on anything was writing for shark tale but i guess you would get a writer for the mtv movie awards to write on shark tale yeah

it makes sense seems like it would work uh i mean and well and also i this year 20th anniversary of shrek so i had 2021 might be the shrek year for what a cartoon movie 2013 a year of luigi 2021 the year of shrek let's get ready for it we'll just do shrek four months in a row shrek one through four well no i think we can even do it for five months because we do Puss in Boots as well. And then all the specials, all the specials they made. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, half the year, what a cartoon movie is just going to be every Shrek movie.

That's what it's- Shrekiverse is huge and diverse. So talking about Animaniacs 2020, a fun episode on that. Was that three hours long? It was very, very long. We got all of our thoughts out about that great new reboot series. Thad Komorowski, our old buddy, he begs to differ with this comment. He

says, the utter lack of the ensemble made this at times hard to sit through. In fact, this reboot is a good argument for why the main characters were the most overbearing and overrated in the original without the likes of MVP Slappy Squirrel picking up some slack. The Spumco DNA gets off-putting to the point where it absolutely does fail as a general audience show. Any watcher i spoke to as a parent has said they would not

feel comfortable leaving their kid with that halloween episode and as the animation is really bad with the hybrid puppetry for most of the run sometimes to an astonishing degree the suffragette segment looked like the drawn together movie ouch says bob mackie uh i don't think it's safe to answer why the animation noticeably makes a dramatic improvement deep into the run, just as there's definitely a reason Tom Ruger and friends weren't called back. But as Bob and Henry said, you can read between the lines of what's been said about this reboot's production and figure it out. Paul Rugg declining to do Freakazoid for this, but doing it for

Teen Titans says it all. To end on an upbeat note, yes, Starbucks and Cindy is the best thing thus far. One of those rare TV cartoons that shows good taste across the board. And Katie Rice is far and away the best director on the reboot. She should get her own series for fuck's sake. And I do agree.

I think the animation is better than Thad does, but I do think there are peaks and valleys and there are some lesser segments, I will say, and that the suffragette segment is a weird way to end the season, but also not the best animation the series has. No, I mean, when, when the flintstones and bugs bunny are running together i that i do understand his drawn together note on that like it does just feel that feels very clip arty and i but i i don't feel as negative

on the animation as uh as as thad did but uh he's good points. And also, yes, the Spumco DNA might be tough for some parents to watch with their kids. I watched Spumco as a nine-year-old, and I turned out TV. Also on that episode, Paul L. has a comment that helps us with some industry insight. I work in the entertainment industry and i must correct you about your derogatory dismissal of the toon boom animation software every cartoon

you watch is either made in toon boom or flash adobe animate yes other programs exist but a good 90 of productions use these two every time you say a show was animated in toon boom and therefore looks not as good as other shows what you really mean to say is that the show is asset based and relies heavily on motion tweening as opposed to being timed out and animated traditionally with the aid of current technology that toon boom provides i hope this message reaches you and helps inform your judgments going forward love your show and can't wait to listen to this animaniacs episode months from now the the guy had started by saying he was a little behind on other stuff.

I do agree with him and I think recently we were talking off mic with our buddy Ian Jones-Cordy who was telling us about some productions actually use Toon Boom just for a way to put drawings into the computer. It's not like using digital puppets or whatever.

They're doing traditional animation through that program which it allows for you to do yeah but i feel like saying like flash animation it does evoke the idea in your brain as to what we're talking about and the description that paul gives us is accurate but it is kind of a mouthful to spit out when you want to just simply describe what the animation looks like yeah i i do feel bad using toon boom as a derogatory term because it there are tons of i mean next month we'll talk about ducktales which is clearly made using those kind of assets but i think looks great just like i thought animaniacs looks great and hilda as well we talked about that i guess when we use it as a derogatory to term we are talking about like well

sometimes it doesn't look great. And I guess we're really talking about the people who do it poorly. Yeah, I think it's just misused more than it's used well, just because of the deadlines and the budgets. Most people aren't given the resources to use it well. Yeah, yeah. And definitely not the time. And also, I mean, they probably have a executive above them who says why are you taking time to pose out all this stuff or to not the the computer just does that just have the computer do

it it speeds us up and makes it cheaper so up next we have a garfield christmas and joe hodgson says i love this special but also view it as quote unquote the one that got away my family got a vcr for christmas of 1986, so the Christmas season 1987 was the first time it was in use, and that year my mom recorded a bunch of specials, but somehow missed this one. And it's odd, because my mom loved Garfield. My very first stuffed animal was a Garfield in a baseball hat.

I can only assume there was a conflict as the tape begins with Mickey's Christmas Carol, which was an NBC presentation that year. It follows with four CBS specials that all aired in blocks on different nights, followed by more Rankin-Bass before ending with the 87 broadcast of A Muppet Family Christmas.

This is Bob speaking. Was that the first broadcast? I think 87 was the first broadcast, yeah. Okay, I thought so too. Going on with the comment, Joe goes on to say, even more surprising is that there aren't any promos for it,

as I assume it aired after all of those other specials. Maybe my mom just felt like she had grabbed enough and for some reason we never added to that tape that we watched the tape relentlessly between thanksgiving and christmas pretty much every year i still have that tape but i've also transferred it to dvd and i put it on every year my kids are confused why i refuse to fast forward past the commercials very sweet story i do like that i i want i want joe to upload that tape so i can watch all the commercials too me too and just feel warmly nostalgic you know in a way the you know the people 30 years older than us they couldn't just watch literally the tv broadcasts of their childhoods like incomplete but we can do that

and i we we get better nostalgia than even gen xers i think it's true uh yeah i think it sounds like that yeah your parents decided to record your mom decided to record the mickey christmas carol instead of garfield that was on at the same time that's that's my guess uh also on that one t howell de winkel says as a kid i was obsessed with garfield as were many of my friends but i never knew if that love was exaggerated because of where we lived jim davis was born in marion indiana my hometown so the love for him and garfield was heightened downtown there's a giant mural of garfield on the side of buildings there's statues of garfield peppered throughout the county including outside of the hospital.

Later, I went to the same college as him, Ball State University, where there's even more Garfield statues in love. Henry, how dare you say that he and David Letterman went to Indiana University? I demand a retraction. Winky face. He continued to produce the strip for years nearby in towns in Albany, which excited many locals that never truly left. As an adult who now lives in Denver, I sometimes mention Garfield to people and even sometimes proudly proclaim, I came from the land of Garfield, which is mostly met with lukewarm memories from them. Oh yeah, I kind of remember Garfield.

Garfield awareness is at an all-time low and it's very sad. It's, uh, yeah. I want to see the statues of Garfield. kind of remember garfield garfield awareness is at an all-time low and it's very sad it's uh yeah i want to see the statues of garfield i have seen the statues of the peanuts characters when i went to uh st paul minnesota for summer game stunt quick in 2015 so i did get pictures of like the lucy statue and the charlie brown statue and i've been to the uh schultz museum up in santa rosa california so yeah i uh i didn't't realize Indiana was so peppered with Garfield. He really is like, you know, we all made fun of that funny thing of that asshole Mike Pence wishing Garfield a happy birthday, but Indiana must owe a ton to him,

including it sounds like Jim Davis kept a lot of the money in the state of Indiana instead of selling out and going Hollywood. Even more Mike Pence's icy heart, that fat cat. Moving on to South Park, our long and weighted South Park episode that I think everyone universally loved. I'm happy we finally broke the ice on South Park. We've been putting it off for a long time. It's a big can of worms, but that was another three-hour episode that I think we gave as many thoughts as we could about this complicated series.

So some bloke says, just a brief comment on the background of Cannibal, the musical. I think it's impossible to go to the University of Colorado and not become mildly fascinated with Alfred Packer. The main cafeteria is named after him and a bust of him greets you upon entry to the dining area. The net effect is that he's nearly as recognizable a mascot as the campus buffalo.

Seven years of graduate school later and he's always the first cannibal i think of when the topic comes up and yes campus tour guides will invariably ask groups if they've heard of cannibal they invariably haven't but they have heard of south park and so matt and trey's names always get unmentioned so that is from some bloke i didn't know that alfred packer was that powerful of an influence on your life i can see why they thought like oh yeah we'll make cannibal the musical everybody's heard of this and then anybody outside of the colorado area is just like well huh what's this i guess that was a good way for them to game the system within colorado and immediately become popular in their bubble yeah yeah and i think also get some tax

money to help pay for it too oh yeah uh and our final comment also on that episode of south park is from bp bear and they say i was a big fan for many years my first time i found myself going oh wait these guys really don't know what they're talking about regrettably wasn't until the 13th season where they tried to defend the f word used for gay people saying it should be used for obnoxious guys on motorcycles it was then i started reflecting on myself and the series and seeing myself drift further away from it anyway it's interesting to hear other people have complicated feelings about the series as well and yeah there was a lot of weighing in on that. I honestly, their transphobia is so big. I forgot about other dumb shit they did with queer topics,

but the use of, I am gay, so I will say it. The use of the word fag they did in an episode about how they want to use it to complain about people who are annoying and that it's like, well, no, the word, it was them trying to defend the use of it in a jocular way and it was just it it was a swing and a miss let's say and i yeah yeah i will not say i was particularly enlightened back then uh but in the late aughts when every uh white man my age was really going crazy over louis ck i bought one of his albums i'm like okay i'm sure this is going

to be great i i didn't really like it that much but one of the things that hit me the worst was he had a very similar bit like that it's like no when we say that word it doesn't mean this it means that and we should be allowed to say it so i'm paraphrasing that bit but that was one of the first times i was like hmm i don't like this guy yeah yeah i i saw other comments on here that said like you know it's it's part of growing up and then you don't you can appreciate comedy without fully agreeing with everything politically a person has said and i and i though though i also do think that like i don't know i think it did have a real influence on kids i i think people should read more and i think we all learn over time all of it hopefully you do uh and you see like oh south park has a

certain worldview that you know i disagree with or they they say and do things that are just like mistakes and even that sometimes they own up to but i i guess for me it just was the story i tell of of seeing in public multiple identified south Park Republicans and thinking like, oh, did they misunderstand this series or do I? If they can feel that way and watch this show. I mean, it's one thing if your politics are bad, but also if you make that your content. I think it's fair to be like, I don't want to engage with this because I don't like your politics. And also your politics are what you're giving to me, what I'm engaging with. So I feel like it's fair to be like, I can't separate art from the artist because their art is them, that they're

just giving me their own feelings and thoughts that I don't like. And that's not true of every topic, but for things like transphobia, sure. Yes. I don't want that yeah when they when their first episode about transgender uh is um was about how it's the same as trying to turn yourself into a dolphin and europe and and all the gross stuff they had to say it's like well no this is this just isn't the opinion of a person who writes a comedy this is the stated belief of an episode of a show that is very influential to young minds and it kind of i i hope people learn more after that but it's just i do think it has a negative effect that kind of stuff it it disappoints me uh and to know that like i don't know there is a certain level of responsibility i wish folks would feel.

Creators aren't gods. People make mistakes, all those things. But I feel like they've been told enough times like, hey, that's very close-minded or your feelings on climate change are kind of a mistake or also your feelings on unions kind of dumb. And often it seems like they go, nah, nah. I think we will return to the show because there's many good episodes and we don't have to do the political ones out of age poorly. Although that would be fun as well to be like, why did they say this? This was truly written three days before it aired and two days after this event happened. Yeah. Oh, another. Yeah, that's another person pointed out. They did a whole thing where they did a parody of Inception, and then they revealed that they didn't actually see the movie. They watched a college humor parody of it and kind of copied their jokes.

Had to apologize or something. Yeah, they did have to apologize. Yeah, it's tough, tough times. It makes it unfortunate because I do think South Park sometimes, they said right things too, but I just wish. I, you know, the poe buddies nerfect, as that wonderful hat says. That's very clever, just like South Park. But yeah, thank you so much for listening to another episode of Talk to the Audience.

I personally will apologize if I've been a little off. I am remote and I have not podcasted in like two and a half weeks so i forget what to do but this is a fun like a breezy podcast just going over your comments and questions and i've been enjoying my time in canada the one downside is it's very hard to find king of the hill in canada can't buy digitally and does there an adult swim here but i can't just access it whenever i want so thumbs down justin trudeau, get on that. It's been really fun to catch up with Bob too. We have been talking off mic, but it was great to chat again and get back into the podcast groove. And yeah, I look forward to a 2021 that hopefully is happier for all of us. And I think looking back on 2020 from what we produced, I think it's

our best year of making podcasts ever. I think we get better every year. And I'm really proud of what I've done. And I want to thank you, Bob, for all the great work we've done together this year. Thank you too, Henry. It's been so great. I'm very proud of everything we've done so far. And we have so many good things coming up in 2021, a lot of which we've already and we're ending this year with a bang with uh we didn't mention this in this podcast with a five hour end of evangelion episode oh is uh is now live on the patreon so if you want to listen to our biggest podcast ever it's there and it's five hours long it was a ton of fun and one last thing you're getting before the end of the year, if you're one of those at that level of patronage, is our deleted scenes commentary video. That's out there.

The thumbnail I picked is Homer's biggest ass they ever drew on him, I think. I keep forgetting that we recorded that, and that's coming. So I apologize for that. That was a very long time ago. I forget, too. I only see it when I go on the back end and see scheduled posts. I'm like, oh, yeah, the deleted scenes. We did that a very long time ago. I forget to. I only see it when I go on the back end and see scheduled post. I'm like, oh, yeah, the deleted scenes. We did that a very long time ago.

And the deleted scenes on it, they're in the air broadcast order, not the incorrect order they are on the season 11 DVDs. And it's all the secret ones. So you're going to see a lot of deleted scenes I bet you haven't seen, even if you're a DVD fan. So thanks again for sticking with us through a difficult year and we will see you next month in a brand new year for a new episode of Talk to the Audience and we'll see you then. Wow. Infotainment.