Talking Simpsons - Talk to the Audience?!? - February 2020

Episode Date: March 4, 2020

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I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, ahoy everybody and welcome to Talk to the Audience where this is always death. I am one of your hosts, Bob Mackie, the Osaka flu sufferer who is here with me today. Hey, it's Henry Gilbert, happily misreporting on Chalmers and Skinner News. I am one of your hosts, Bob Mackey, the Osaka flu sufferer who is here with me today. Hey, it's Henry Gilbert, happily misreporting on Chalmers and Skinner News. Oh, hooray. So if you're new to talk to the audience, this is our community podcast where we talk about news in the Simpsons world and in our world. And we talk about and respond to some of your questions and comments from the last round of episodes and as part of our new schedule this is now the last slot in the month for patrons and the first slot of the month for non-patrons in the talking simpsons feed and because of our

new schedule i was allowed to be sick for five days in a row it was horrible and i just came out the other end and i might sound a little off on this podcast so i apologize if i'm a little stuffed up but i spent the last five days in just a incubation period. What did you say? That your nerve endings felt deep fried or something? It hurt to blink. Oh, God. It was awful. And it's like, whenever I go into being sick, your first thought is always, oh, free time.

Think of all the games I get to play. I think I did play about three total hours of video game over five days. That's all I could stand. It was awful. It was just like just being in just awful and sore and tired and yes, not recommended. And I got my goddamn flu shot this year. Oh, man. Well, you know, you put yourself in a flight tube and you went to Disneyland. It's true. That's a petri dish. Towards the end of it, I was Googling coronavirus symptoms. I was

getting that sad and desperate. Like, do I have it? They're putting it in our heads it's the new bird flu it's true it's true and and all of them involve just a little dose if not a at least a little dose of distrust of the chinese i threw out all the soy sauce in my fridge uh it was your fault it's really sad that it turns into i think i think the um xenophobia specifically toward China is going to ramp up, you know, this Russia stuff, it's old. China's the new and old thing to be afraid of now, foreign countries. Actually, so when I went to, I was at Disneyland right before that. I went from like two fun days at Disneyland to five days of being sick with the flu.

And I went there with Nina Matsumoto, my girlfriend, who's Japanese. And she was just getting, she's getting coming down from a flu, coming down from a cold. So she had a really bad cough. So I was like, that is our ticket to the front of any line, an Asian woman coughing at Disneyland. Yeah. Yeah. Take advantage of xenophobia. Use it in your favor is what I say. We didn't do that, by the way. She had a great tweet of the shot of Homer saying, Duff guarded the rock. It was very... She couldn't barely talk, but she was feeling better.

It just was the cough persisted. But we like tag-teamed viruses, I guess. We both had a fun Disney trip in February. That's true. It was a good time. I went at the start of February for our anniversary, me and Darren's, and we had a really good time. We hardcore did Disney in the second day. We had a three-day pass.

We did Disneyland hardcore the second day. First day was taking it easy at Disneyland Adventure. And the third day, we really were just like, let just ride like three rides and eat stuff and then go home like we uh we didn't give ourselves the previous exhausting pressure of we have to make every day worth it and do every single thing because we spent all this money on a three-day pass that was my first Disneyland day we did from 8 a.m to midnight so 16 hours and then the next day California Adventure is like let's just uh chill out a bit i mean california venture is easy town like it's it's got two rides pretty much once again i must recommend you see the frozen live show i saw it for the second time i still haven't seen it for the first time we both uh thoroughly enjoyed it it's it it makes the movie

it's like the movie should be an hour long you don't need any of this crap uh you know i uh i enjoy the food i enjoy the rides i enjoy the overall theming but i think i'm pretty light on attending actual shows at disneyland i'm there for the theater yeah i just i guess i feel like at theater i can watch this anywhere i can only ride splash mountain here oh but darren uh he also is uh he's a splash mountain hater of just like he's like if we're gonna do it we have to do a first thing in the morning or i feel it's the last thing we do because i don't want to be wet all day and i'm like i understand that but i i love splash mountain listen you can see frozen anytime you want disney plus but you cannot see that masterful work behind the olaf puppet whenever you want that puppeteer is amazing and that's the only reason i go it

makes me like that stupid character i think i like olaf and it's the live show's fault because i like puppets and uh i guess spoiler free both of us really enjoy the rise of resistance right yes yes me more than you i think i was i i don't want like improv in my rides i don't want to have to play along i just want to just buckle me in and i'll watch something or I'll go on a loop-de-loop or whatever. Not me. I have dreamed of living in the Star Wars world. Like, my whole life has been leading to this, I would say. I told you this off the mic and I say this because I used to be this sort of person. So, I feel like I have the license to, you know, joke around a bit. But there's a certain part of the ride where, you know, the door opens and spoilers, skip, you know, ahead a certain part of the ride where you know uh the door opens and

spoilers skip you know ahead a minute if you don't want no spoilers for rise of the resistance uh you're in this transport the door slides open and like not an actor but like a disney employee in a costume is paid to tell you like you better come with me in this case it was the pimply teen from the simpsons like darth vader says you got to come this way it was that character completely and i was like uh disney you you spent like $200 million on this ride or something crazy like that? Hire actors. Put actors on this thing. You know, maybe it's union actors in Orlando.

Who knows? I felt bad for that kid. I'm like, how many Midwestern dads are like, oh, really now? Oh, you're going to shoot me with a laser. Yeah. many midwestern dads are like oh oh really now oh you gotta shoot me with a laser yeah yeah uh i understand yes but uh my person who did that was uh was a woman doing a good job of that's good though but none of this has anything to do with the simpsons but no wait it does because they're owned by disney that we found a way to make it work uh and and yes in our news this month there's

still some disney plus news as there always is But I guess our news begins where it always must begin. Yes, a poo watch continues. Yeah, duh, duh, duh, duh. More non-news and bad headlines await us in the world of poo. Yeah, well, so basically, there is in the situation of Hank Azaria doing a poo and it being, you know, deemed an offensive character, which me and Bob basically agree with. Yeah, go back to our podcast from what, like 18 months ago? We covered the, what's the movie called again? The Problem with the Poo. Yeah, we went over that and we talked about, I mean, we said what we needed to say. Yes,

but the new information is that today, the time of this recording on Tuesday, there was a New York Times article, a long-form interview with Hank Azaria talking about the poo thing. A ton of new quotes of him just saying like, yeah, I'm not doing the character anymore. I was defensive at first, but I understand why people feel this way and I don't want to do that. And he talked about how he talked to other, you know, South Asian folks to get their insight on it. And they told him like, yeah, no, it's, it's been offensive. Like, and he, he says he's stepping back from the voice of Apu. Uh, the article is written by David Itzkoff, who, if you're a super online Twitter person, he tweets a lot of Simpsons memes. Uh, it's like something from current politics,

plus a line from the Simpsons which you know that's i mean that up a lot too i i respect his game it's cough but uh he also in his article got a statement from unnamed quote simpsons executive producers which at first when i saw this story reported on by another outlet i thought they're like well they just didn't say it was aljean or whatever sometimes people skip over the names of the producers to say Simpsons executive producers, but no, the New York Times article itself identified the quote as from Simpsons executive producers. So that feels like a slight dodge of controversy where they're just like, we're not going to say who said this. This is just as a group, the the executive producers a triumvirate of producers

decided upon this uh but their quote about azaria not wanting to do apu anymore is quote we respect hank's journey in regard to apu we have granted his wish to no longer voice the character and they continued apu is beloved worldwide we love him too stay tuned so that's the end of the official executive producer statement on the matter but please let the story die please i mean that still sounds to me like they might consider recasting apu in in that case like with with an appropriate actor perhaps which you know but i mean i hope they listen to that character or actor if they have opinions about how they want to play apu i i'm also fine with like i don't know you you don't need to see we've seen him a lot maybe no more apu yeah there's been there's been like

27 years of apu or whatever it's okay but yes annoyingly we have to talk about it again because yeah well my guess is that this is azaria's pr team offering up an interview with the new york times because they were keep getting asked about it in roundtables about other non-simpsons projects and so they're trying to address it in the most public space available to have that conversation so uh but i don't know in general it definitely feels like a reaction to azaria being continually asked about are you doing apu what's your opinions on apu apu apu so i'm sure he's sick of it very much so yes let's ask harry sheer about sanjay hey yeah let's get on or uh i mean dick castellaneta we've we can we can cancel all these

people if we look hard enough. But anyway, the newest Simpsons episode that just happened, they did a cryptocurrency one with Frankcoin instead of Bitcoin. Okay. And Jim Parsons was the guest. Is he the Big Bang Man himself? He's the Big Bang Man, yes. Is he Sheldon?

He's Sheldon, yes. Okay. Yeah. Who is now Young. The Young Sheldon. Young Sheldon. Is that the name of a rapper? It's finallyeldon, yes. Who is now Young. The Young Sheldon. Young Sheldon. Though that show is finally over. Y-U-N-G.

Oh, the show's over. Well, not Young Sheldon, but Big Bang Theory. Big Bang Theory. When did that end? I think last year. Okay. TV news for me. And also in the news, the thing I joked about at the start, a website I used to work for that I wouldn't have approved this headline, they did a post saying that The Simps we're doing a new Skinner and Chalmers

focused episode. And somebody asked like, oh, is this steamed ham stuff? And he said, well, there might be a reference in the background, but we're not just like redoing steamed hams or anything. So that's what Selman had to say. And it just annoyed me to see based on nothing that it was being reported as steamed hams coming back i know bill oakley was making some comments too yeah i mean his uh yeah i uh the one tweet i saw bill oakley the author of steamed hams uh tweet out this is not a direct quote but paraphrasing is like oh yeah good for them you know hey he's he has no ill will towards the show but he also says like that headline's wrong it's not a sequel to steamed haams so oh yeah one thing that's not in the news that i just remembered upon sitting down to

record this podcast is that uh bill oakley is like sort of teasing some mission hill stuff oh that's right yeah i'm so yeah i haven't i'm disappointed myself for forgetting that yes yeah it seems to be gus and wally focus but uh he's been showing like text chains between him and josh weinstein yeah um he also on his instagram he's somehow like doing a food review with john vd one of uh the former writers of the simpsons that well well well so he's rubbing elbows with these people i don't know what's happening and i think he even said like as soon as we can say what's happening we'll be on your show or whatever he even said, like, as soon as we can say what's happening, we'll be on your show or whatever. He even said that to us on Twitter. I jokingly said that when we do...

Could you announce this soon? Because it'd make our jobs easier when we do Mission Hill. And he said, to paraphrase, he's like, oh, I'd love to interview about this, but it's probably at least a year away if anything happens. It's awesome to hear. Like, who knows what it'll be, but there could be more mission hill or maybe like a mission hill spinoff or something i mean streaming services need content based on things that were popular or even known in the 90s yeah like even if you were on adult swim in 2001 that's still more um exposure than anything on tv now yes oh yeah now i was trying to deconstruct who owns mission hill and thus what thing it would

be on now i mean because it got popular on adult swim my first thought was it would there the platform would be hbo max but i believe it's sony that has the distribution rights like it was their dvds i believe it was but then it's like castle rock was a production company so do they own it the same as the seinfeld people it was a bill company, so do they own it? The same as the Seinfeld people? It was a Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein production. They told us at the end of every episode. Oh, that's right. Yeah.

Well, however it is, I am very excited at it, especially if it's going to bring in some of my favorite gay dudes in fiction. But yes, thank you for remembering that. I totally forgot that. Keep watching the skies when it comes to uh the mission hill news and we also have some new movie news coming fresh off of our recent reviewing of the simpsons movie for the michael and us podcast check it out on our on our feed and also check out their podcast michael and us yeah yeah i hope you guys enjoyed

the michael and us uh podcast we put into the feed for you guys uh you we we love uh will and luke they're such cool dudes but uh yes al jean did a new interview with slash film about all things simpsons and yeah he was asked about the uh a sequel film and he said like oh it's in very early stages you know nothing to comment on but sounds like discussions are being made with disney uh and then the other bit was he he refutes danny elfman but still in the ways i said before that makes me think it's not a true refutation then he says yeah we're doing season 32 he had a funny line that gene said like if the simpsons was ending danny elfman would not be the first person to know that uh but he also said like we're doing season 32 we're not stopping anytime soon but it's like yeah we

already know you're renewed for season 32 but if behind the scenes you knew you weren't getting renewed for season 33 he al jean didn't say anything that countered that information okay but uh i'm just saying i'm just saying like i i believe disney will not stop doing the simpsons but i think i still think after season 32, things are going to be different. I guess we'll find out pretty soon then, right? Well, season 32, yeah, begins in the fall. Yeah. And our table read was a 32 episode, right? I think it was late 31. Oh, yeah. Like super late production order 31. Yeah. Yeah. But 30, I mean, they're doing 32 now, it's happening. And yeah, I mean, the last time they got renewed was like in um

january or february so i think late this year early 2021 we'll start knowing what really what's up with the future of the simpsons at the very least as a show that's broadcast on fox television and speaking of simpsons being broadcast bad news news for Britain. Yes. Because you're not getting it. I'm sorry, British people. But here, me and you have been celebrating Disney Plus and just rubbing it in the noses of people all over the UK and lots of Europe. Disney Plus is about to arrive in the United Kingdom and many European countries on March 24th. But thanks to a bunch of old deals

with sky and channel 4 there's no simpsons at launch the simpsons will come later but they don't have the streaming rights currently in that region and so you get disney plus you can finally watch that mandalorian and have a lot of fun there but no simpsons it'll probably have like a little simpsons uh channel or whatever that will tell you like sky has this now send hate tweets to them or at the very least it'll say like it'll come here on this date yeah like how there's certain star wars things on netflix and disney plus has the little like channel button for it yeah yeah but it'll just if you if for some reason you wanted to watch the solo film it'll tell you you can't until a certain

date maybe when disney plus launches we'll know the exact date that they're gonna get simpsons on there but yeah sorry sorry to our listeners over the pond uh you're not getting simpsons on disney plus soon uh which by the way bob did you happen to notice that gift darren got me uh there the bart with the mickey hat they actually came in the mail while i was here oh that's right yes yeah it was uh did my husband got me a very nice valentine's gift of the uh the bart with his tongue sticking out wearing a mickey mouse ears that was given out a d23 this year so uh that was very nice of him i guess uh let's move on then we talked about it some people enough people were saying that simpsons predicted the coronavirus that makes me so tired i because there was a an accurate

represent well i guess cartoonish representation of how the flu travels from the east off into the west yeah yeah but in in the osaka flu storyline in Margin Change. Yeah. I mean, God, every shot. It's such a silly shot they'd never do on the show now, but I love every one of it. Just a green cloud that floats on people's faces and they go like, ah! They scream, yeah. I mean, this just could be my horrible American education speaking

or just a very American perspective, but from my knowledge, usually the influenza that comes to america every year is usually starts in china or in that area in that region and basically when you get your flu shot they have to predict which strain will come here and uh obviously mine was incorrect but that's what the simpsons was making fun of it's like yes the the virus came from an oriental country yeah i mean it usually doesn't come from japan i don't think i mean in general it's just a lot of

exoticism like well i mean that uh i use oriental and scare quotes by the way yes uh i mean the osaka flu joke it predicates on the idea of like things a lot of things are made in japan which most that's not true anymore not bought it yet especially not a juicer that you buy in America. And honestly, if I want to fully take apart the reality of that joke, that juice luciner would be very cheaply made if it's being sold by Troy McClure. Thus, it would be much more likely produced in China or another lower wage country than Japan. Yeah, yes, yeah. I do like the graphic of Godzillazilla with like a thing on his head

like a little ice bag on his head like a thermometer that's such a funny drawing yeah this was getting spread around enough that there was a new snopes article on fact checking if the simpsons predicted the coronavirus so no they didn't why did snopes need to weigh in on that snopes is busy man they got uh i mean snopes is one of the most visited websites on the internet so they got to stay current you know speaking of staying current i got corrected by josh weinstein on the internet i've got some problems with this but please continue well so uh we hit an anniversary date of a brother from another series the sideshow bob episode where David Hyde Pierce played Cecil.

In that episode, which we had Nina Matsumoto on, which was awesome, such a great episode, we get to the part where a character says, probably. And on the commentary, they say that's David Hyde Pierce because he wanted to do just a one line character as a funny joke, in addition to doing Cecil when we had that audio by itself and we listened to it over and over you and I both are just like and Nina we all agreed that's Hank Azaria that's not David Hyde Pierce it really sounds like Hank they also said that in this tweet thread from the Daily Simpsons uh Twitter and I replied of like yeah no we isolated it on the podcast too and I really it's Hank. I think they misremember that they had Hank re-recorded or perhaps. And then

Josh Weinstein, you know, very politely replied to me and I was just like, no, really listen closely. It sounds like David Hyde Pierce doing a normal voice and it's really him. Though even he at the end said like, probably. I mean, if we ever run into Josh Weinstein again, we probably will. I want to sit him down with headphones and be like, you listen to this, sir. You tell me that's David Hyde Pierce, because I still feel like it's Hank Azaria. And I think it's an honest mistake where the engineer had the wrong file, or in the mix, the wrong probably was put in. Maybe Hank did that as a temp track and they forgot to drop

in the david hyde pierce probably but that is a hundred percent hank's area it's really really sounds josh weinstein is a liar we'll keep we'll put headphones on him and play it until he agrees with us but he is a he's a bernie fan like us so i forgive him no he's good yes yeah that's all that's the easy path to forgiveness of being a bernie fan just like carolyn omine like thumbs up carolyn omine certain symptoms writer is not so happy with bernie we'll we'll talk about them hey let's only focus on the positives yes but but yes so i did reply to josh saying like hey that's proof enough for me and then i included the diamond joke quimby saying i stand corrected so uh and josh like that and so

that's his friend that's uh good enough for me on twitter but yes i wanted to update a claim we'd said on the podcast with what one of the executive producers who was working on the show said about it and so i do trust his recollection more than my guessing but that really sounds i'm on the fence really sounds like i think he's gaslighting us uh well i guess the speaking of former simpsons executive producers uh the last bit of news is about a show that premiered on fox this month yes that mike scully was teasing on uh our i think our first interview he even teased it like he said he's working with amy poehler and the second interview he said what it was called i'm sure it was announced at that point he didn't

break the news on our podcast but he's been talking about working with Amy Poehler. And the second interview, he said what it was called. I'm sure it was announced at that point. He didn't break the news on our podcast. But he's been talking about it with us on our interviews. But now it's finally on TV. It's Duncanville. Yes, the Duncanville. Yeah, if you're new to the Patreon or haven't heard that interview yet, go back to our first Scully interview. And at the very end, when we ask him about what's in the future, he's like, well, I am

just finishing off. Me and my wife are just finishing off the script to deliver it to amy poehler for a pilot and i'm like wow now you look back on it that is the pilot that became duncan that was like uh a little over two years ago i think it was like december of 2018 yeah yeah i think it was that yeah or 2017 yeah we just started the uh patreon yeah it's gully Scully, one of the nicest dudes around. Like, so nice. And I look forward to talking with him in the future about it.

So, Duncanville, I watched the first couple episodes that have premiered. They're all on Hulu if you have a Hulu subscription. And it's good. You know, the animation could be a little better, I guess, in just that it's like the, it's stylistically, it's just so similar to all the other type of Fox shows. I wish it had more of its own stamp on it, I think. But I think it's a very funny, well-written show with a great cast. There's no Alan Gregory.

Ugh, God, yeah. No, we've seen the bad shows. Like there's like, I mean, what's that king of the hill wannabe that i'm not watching oh bless the hearts yeah bless the hearts like that like this show looks way better than bless the hearts it does yeah and uh apparently david silverman consulted on the entire season entire first season actually i didn't see a lot of the animation and i thought it was a little bit of the bobs burgers uh the flash flash world of bobs burgers but there's a little bit more life to it. I saw some animators who were working on the show posting on Twitter, there's like smears in the

show, like animation smears and stuff. So I feel like they're doing a little more with the tools that they're given for these sort of things. Yeah, I mean, it's the same production house as Bob's Burgers and all the other new shows, as we talked about in the last community podcast, Fox Television, which is not disney this is the fox broadcasting company they bought the animation studio that does bob's burgers so all the new animated series they're making which they're making a lot of them those are all from that studio so they all kind of they share all the same tool sets so i think that's why there's a lot of sameness to the looks of them but yeah i think artistically duncanville is better than a lot of its compatriots on the fox network i'd say that

yeah he yes david silverman has a consulting producer credit on it justin scully in a tweet made it clear of like yeah he was a consulting producer on the whole first season and specifically he called out that the lead character duncan who's a very gangly teenager, that design Silverman helped a lot with. It reminds me of the critic where David Silverman designed Jay Sherman, and that's basically it. He drew him on a cocktail napkin. That's how they got Jay Sherman. They couldn't afford Silverman to do the whole cast. They got Rich Moore. He's great. No, they're all great. But in the critic the critics case that led to a un-uniform

world and it just it kind of got distracting especially in the first season i do like how those characters look but it's not a uniform style at all yeah but as for duncanville i mean it's very uniform style and uh now more of the positives i like about it i think you know amy poehler she's always funny as is the rest of the voice cast betsy sadaro oh she's great i love hearing her voice and she's great i mean her character is just her like they drew her if she was a teenager that's true and she's uh she was on bob's burgers for a bit too she probably still is right i would assume so yeah i mean every if you're a ucb improviser you've been on bob's burgers at least three times that's true if you if you're a ucb

alum and you haven't been on bob's burgers you'd be insulted at this point you you insulted somebody by not being on the show or that's why you're not on the show sorry uh but yeah betsy tatar's great i also really like the well okay we know mike scully so well now that when the dad character on the show is a classic rock-obsessed loser... Oh, what do you think about Mike Scully? I have to think Scully is joking about his own obsession with classic rock. Constantly trying to meet Bruce Springsteen. Oh, yeah.

Now, there's all those jokes with Duncan's dad in the show. It's pretty funny. I saw a funny promo clip of him at an Alice Cooper concert in the 80s. Yeah, he got a... Oh, man. So, the second episode i liked more than the first uh also rashida jones is on the show is like the love interest which they're saying like hey if you like parks and rec and wish that amy's character and rashida's character got together well hey now

they're really in a romantic situation in the show but the second episode i liked more than the first and the second episode is written by julie th Scully. And it begins with the mother being unable to get into her garage because it's filled with rock and roll collectibles that the husband won't get rid of. That's great. I need to watch these. I feel that's ripped directly from their relationship, I think. But yeah, that's the funniest. There's a great line from the dad too in the first episode where he says like oh son i i just want to be your cool dad that's why i grew up this ponytail like it's it's a sweet show and i like their approach to cartoon dads and it's great yes please check out dunkerville maybe we'll talk to mike scully about it maybe it'll be a what a

cartoon uh sometime soon oh yeah yeah that's a good idea. But not in the next month, though, because we already got that schedule ready. Yes. So we have the schedule for March ready. It's not going to be a lousy March schedule. It's going to be a good March schedule because we... What is the schedule on here? Actually, I don't have it in front of me. So, Henry, I'm unprepared. From the top, the next week's What a Cartoon is going to be Street Sharks with special guest Matt McMussels. Already recorded. It was a lot of fun, and it made me want to take a nap.

The viewing of the show. Too much Street Sharks. It excited you. It hanged up your blood too much. I think it shut down my immune system, which let the akumatata virus in. But Matt McMussels has some extra fun thoughts on Street Sharks and their history as well. Then after that, we're going to be doing the long way. We've done Batman.

We've done Batman twice. Actually more than twice. So it's time to move forward in the DC animated universe timeline with Superman, the animated series. That's right. This is going to be a pretty new to me because I poo pooed it as a young teen.

I'm like, it's not dark out. This is not Batman. Yes. Look, but I know it's good. I know it's gooded it as a young teen. I'm like, it's not Dark Gown. This is not Batman. Yes, look. But I know it's good. I know it's good. Superman is a good, a really good show. Batman is better.

Of course it is. But it also, Batman had more money, and just in general, a bigger budget, because in the five years between the greenlining of Batman and the greenlining of Superman, Warner was like, oh, we know we don't have to spend that as much yeah the money faucet shut off or at least like turned down i'd say yeah but but yes we will be doing superman the animated series it's a pick of one of our top level patrons and they want us to do the episode heavy metal from the second season which if you're a

superman fan that is the episode that introduced steel to the series it's the one where steel helps superman battle metallo starring shaquille o'neal uh michael dorn he's he voices steel in the uh i do think uh just a tease about that episode i do think they're i think it's a good episode but i think behind the scenes, based on the comment I saw from Bruce Timm, they didn't like doing that episode as much, because I think it had an executive demand that they put Steele in the show because the movie was coming out. It's got to be better than that movie. But it's a good episode. It's a good episode. And then after that... We have my choice. So as we established the beginning of the year,

we are revisiting a series we've already done on What a Cartoon. And as we established the beginning of the year, we are revisiting a series we've already done on What a Cartoon. And so we didn't technically do this series yet, but we did the movie. So for the third week of March, we're going to be doing the Tiny Toon Adventures episode, The Return of Bat Duck, which is actually an episode of the Plucky Duck Show, but it doesn't matter because it's the only original episode produced for that quote unquote spinoff that was folded back into reruns of Tiny Toons. So there you have it. I'm out of breath. I think that might be the best episode of Tiny Toon Adventures. It's all plucky, and it's all TMS animation, and there's an amazing cartoon version of Tim Burton

in the movie. And it was for all the little weird kids who were totally tuned into Hollywood gossip in the 90s, early 90s, like me. Oh, God, we were all waiting for Batman Returns to come out. And so here's a bunch of jokes about the making of it. I think I'm looking forward to doing it. And we'll also be able to talk about the exit of Charlie Adler, because I think it's the first Charlie Adler free episode. Yes, this could be the John Kassir Crypt Keeper guy taking over for the voice. The real Cryptkeeper

as we've covered before. And then after that, another patron pick. We're going to be doing the cutting edge Canadian CGI animated series reboot. You're a disciple of laugh. It was cutting edge. Yes. Hey, I watch it. I'm like, I can't believe this is happening.

I mean, there were tons of ugly ass CGI shows, but they didn't have good can't believe this is happening. I mean, there were tons of ugly-ass CGI shows, but they didn't have good writing and acting like Reboot did. And so we'll finally be touching on Reboot, and the episode Firewall is the one we'll be doing. So look forward to that. I'm looking forward, if only, to hear Tony Jay's wonderful voice. I love it.

We heard a bit of it on Mighty Max. And the last week, of course, will be a preview of our What a Cartoon movie for that month. Yes. And we do have the topic. It's going to be movies based on TV shows we've covered on What a Cartoon. So some of these,

I think two of them are returning picks. So we have the SpongeBob SquarePants movie, Wacko's Wish, the Animaniacs movie, the Daria TV movie. The first one is at fall yet. And then we also have Wallace and Gromit, Curse of the Were-Rabbit for the fourth pick. And that poll will be up soon. So that will determine the What a Cartoon movie and also the preview for that month, for that final week. That is right. You know, Wallace and Gromit,

they've, they've been a contender several times, but they just can't get to it. Uh, and can, can it do well can the spongebob movie do well will animaniacs and daria triumph that is the question in the polls and only you can answer it uh if you're a five dollar and a patron and you vote on it uh i you know i just saw the spongebob musical this month too that was pretty good you told me yeah musical yeah i'm i'm in the musicals now so uh i now. I think you'd really like it if, I won't spoil it, but the Squidward song is written by They Might Be Giants. Of course. It's my favorite song in it, and I think you'll love it, too.

That sounds great. I mean, I'm also hearing good things about the Beetlejuice musical. I've heard that, too. Yeah. Lindsay Ellis is my door into that world. I trust her opinions on musicals and also Great Mouse Detectives. I'm just glad we're all done talking about cats. Yes, yeah.

Thank God. Our long national nightmare is over. And also coming up soon, we have a miniseries, our first of two for 2020 for $5 and up patrons. And there will be a vote on that as there always is.

So we have the returning contender, the King of the Hill of our contender, the King of the Hill of our miniseries, King of the Hill, season two, part one. That would be, I believe, 11 episodes of King of the Hill, Talking in the Hill, rather. Yes, just like we did with Talking Futurama for the second season. We, you know, the miniseries, we don't want to give ourselves 22 episodes of miniseries to do. We're going to do two in a year. So we're just doing half of season two, but it's quite a season, those 11 episodes, but that's just one choice. So we have King of the Hill season two, part one. We have Mission Hill. We have Daria season one, and we also have what we suggested or what we threw out there in our

last Batman episode, a 10 episode sampler sampler of Batman the Animated Series. The episodes will be chosen by us, but it'll be 10 episodes of that series that we love the most and want to talk about the most. Yes, and you know, in the case of Mission Hill, its 20th anniversary, we do the full series of that. And yeah, Daria season one, we did cover one episode from season one already,

but we'd be covering the rest of them. Yes, we did the misery chick like almost two years ago so which uh you know that was an interesting uh one to go back to you brought up yes after certain you know problematic people die uh it's it's fun to revisit it you can learn a lot from that yes yeah i guess you know last bit of podcast news i'll put in here is uh if you haven't listened yet to our jay kogan interview then here's a little treat for you i am gonna now drop in a clip from it of one of our favorite bits from that interview with jay kogan of him telling the story of the creation of treehouse of horror

oh you uh mentioned the treehouse uh yeah you wrote the King and Kodos segment in the first Treehouse of Horror. What was the thinking in the writer's room of doing a Halloween special? And I would guess you guys didn't anticipate it being this, you know, three decades long tradition at this point. Well, absolutely not. I mean, here's what happened. I'll tell you the complete story. Matt Groening walked into the room and said,

we should do a ghost story show. We should do a ghost story show. And Matt Groening at the time wasn't beloved in the writers' room because he didn't write much. And he was getting a lot of credit for the show. So a lot of the people there rolled their eyes and go like, ugh, Matt with his ideas. Yeah.

Pitch us an idea and then walk away, you know, which is what he would do. He would pitch and then he would go walk away and go home and do his stuff. And he had his cartoons and he was signing autographs and doing other stuff. You know, he wasn't in our writer's room a ton of time. And that's fine because he didn't write. He wasn't that kind of writer. But Wally and i heard this and we like matt and we think matt's a genius in his own right and just like matt just

like sam simon thought at the beginning of the seasons and simpsons this guy's got great ideas when he has a great idea take it use it run with it and this was felt like a good idea so to us it wasn't just the ghost stories. It felt like we could show the story. We could actually do the stories. We could make, we could turn the Simpsons where the James L. Brooks's rule was, this is a grounded family sitcom where we don't do fantasies and we don't, we're going to be grounded and we're going to be real. And this was an opportunity to sell ghost stories and then go into the ghost stories and be crazy. And it was very unpopular. But Wally and I sort of championed it and sort of pushed it around.

And we sort of pushed it around until we finally got Sam Simon to come around on it and said, come on, it's Halloween. We'll do a Halloween special and it'll be great. We can promote it. And then Sam, when Sam finally hit on the idea of doing The Raven, he wanted to just do The Raven. That's the Edgar Allan Poe story. He says, well, if I could do The Raven, then that would be fun for me, because he always liked The Raven.

I said, yeah, The Raven. Everybody loves The Raven. I don't think everybody doesn't love The Raven. I just said, everybody loves The Raven. People will go crazy for The Raven. And then he let us do it. So then we had segments of, you know,

we got to do our Halloween episodes and that was so much fun. And we got to do our our Kang and Kodos and then there was the Raven and I think there was maybe the, I forget the,

the Haunted House, like the Poltergeist, I think was the other one at George Fortuolder Road. And it was so much fun and it was so successful and so popular that They said, well, do it again next year. And then it became tradition from that point on. But it took a while

because it really was a change of pace from what we normally would do. And it took a lot of people to convince people that it was okay to do this, that we weren't ruining the tone of the show, that we're... There were two fears. One was that we were turning the show back into a cartoon and making it stupid. The other actual fear was we were going to scare the shit out of the kids. Because we knew, even though we were not writing the show for kids at all, by that time we knew kids were watching. So we were kind of trying to be careful about that. And we actually had a warning at the beginning.

Marge comes out and says, you know, this might be scary for kids. And then they do the show. I think that they don't do those warnings anymore, but they did that very first one. Me and Bob were those eight-year-olds watching that special. Slightly scared. A little scared. Mission accomplished. Yeah, I mean, exactly.

So, like, we didn't want to scare kids too badly. I mean, we were concerned a little bit about that. We kept telling people at the beginning of the show, don't let your kids watch The Simpsons. It's not for kids. It's for adults. It's on at night. Don't let kids watch it.

But that was a losing battle at a certain point. And then at what point do you let, we never really acquiesced to the idea that the content should be only appropriate for kids but we were aware that kids were watching and we kept saying well i guess that's up to parents that was an amazing interview and jay uh said he'd want to come back and do more and we have a lot more to talk about i think we like just covered season one almost that's basically it we uh we were like i mean he is just his career on simpsons that's another like

three hours of interviews i think so yes i uh just like our plans to interview mike scully again someday in the future same with jay cogan for sure so now we're on to questions and comments from listeners and of course talking symptoms comes first and our first set of questions and comments are from no disgrace like home and our first one is from Thad Komorowski, who says, Tom and Jerry history was definitely the influence for much of Itchy and Scratchy's backstory and commentary, but their true theatrical cartoon roots are in Herman and Catnip, the most violent of all the famous studios cartoons, which regularly featured decapitation, mutilation, and dismemberment.

And Catnip dies a lot too. And Matt Groening would absolutely have been aware of 70s gory cat and mouse parodies of underground comics like Massimo Mottoli's Squeak the Mouse and National Lampoon's Kit and Caboodle. Yeah. I'm sorry, Kit and Caboodle. Good, good points there from Thad. Yeah, I have never seen a Herman and Catnip. Like, famous studios, I don't think i've watched much of any yeah i mean they would show us lots of trash as kids but i think some trash

couldn't even make the cuts or maybe they were like lost in uh lawsuits or something and they couldn't be licensed for cheap air play i wish if i could replace every time i watched a bosco cartoon with herman and Catnip, I would. If I could just go back in time and do that. Oh, you mentioned Bosco, right? Yeah. Okay, speaking of Bosco, so our buddy Kaiser Beams is a great YouTube channel, mostly covers anime, but now they've moved on to covering the history of cartoons. And right now they have a very great video about the history of Bosco. Oh, boy. And so speaking of violent cartoons, in the video, they're showing clips of different Bosco cartoons,

obviously, throughout. And one of them is a World War I cartoon made in the 30s called, like, Doughboys or something like that with Bosco. I mean, there are fun war cartoons, of course, and that was, like, a war that happened 20 years prior. So let's have fun with it. And there was one gag in it that made me go, oh, my God, like, literally exclaim, oh, my God,laim oh my god out loud where there's like the running around on the battlefield and a wiener dog like a dachshund

is like uh running through the battlefield it gets torn apart by machine gunfire it's set the center of its body is just ripped apart by gunfire and then the top part falls down it becomes a smaller dog and runs away but as it was being ripped apart by bullets i was like oh my god before the haze code is when that happened i'll tell you that much that is shocking is that that's i mean that's more anti-german sentiment it is but yes uh a lot of has changed since uh 1932 uh but thank you so much for uh your background on the other cat and mouse uh stuff that was going on at the time also for no disgrace like home joe hodgson says i think you guys may have missed a joke albeit a small one akin to the simps in the title cards when the family returns home from their evening of peeping

homer slumps against the side of the house and says i want to be alone with my thought as opposed to the plural thoughts it It's an early Homer is dumb and simple joke that obviously would become much more prevalent in later seasons. Like Henry, I like to think Homer has gotten dumber over the years due to all of the blunt force trauma he's had to endure to his knocking. I think that's one of the things the writers learn where if you want to make the distinction between thought and thoughts, you need to hit it hard in an unnatural way which is why that joke is just sort of fuzzy it's not as obvious as it could be so i think they learn based on the delivery like oh maybe that kind of a pun or joke won't work yeah it's when you see it on a script page right there easy to see and it's not like you know dan underperformed it but it's just

when it all adds up together line line reading animation sound mixing you just hear it as i want to be alone with my thoughts because that's the normal way to put yeah and i think in exploring season one we are noticing like oh that was a joke it just was not communicated in the way that you would see a future simpsons joke communicated, like a little too subtle or underplayed, or in this case, just the articulation wasn't there. For the whole first season, it's learning the levels to play at. And I think by season two, they added much more figured out. So up next, we have Bart the General.

And Eric says, the slapping scene was based on real life incidents involving Patton and two soldiers in separate incidents during the Sicily campaign the soldiers were classified with quote-unquote battle fatigue which Patton thought was cowardice so he slapped them and ordered them back to the front line Patton was eventually reprimanded by Eisenhower for this and made to apologize so yes battle fatigue I think we call it something different now. Oh, yes. Yeah. Not like, I mean, Ninja Turtles would joke about shell shock, but that was like another form of PTSD. They were just, it was just a pun about their turtle shells. Shell shock. Shell shock.

Yeah. Well, that makes the speech that Abe gives even funnier that it's based on a real thing where he's just like, Patton could do all of of those things I could send him off to die in some godforsaken rock boy you can't do a slap him and you need to apologize to these people who you can kill whenever you want in any way it's all about civility it's uh it's totally civility politics yes you know all the war the war rules so Justin Brown has the next comment on uh Barth the General this one made me a little sad my grandpa is a world war ii vet but he never spoke about his service it wasn't until after he passed that i looked up his service records and found out that he passed as white to join a fighting corps while most black service members were engineers or other non-frontline fighters he reminded me a lot of abe

in this episode and the Flying Hellfish episode, the only times Abe was truly confident. And Bart the General was the first episode of the show I remember seeing, so it holds a special place in my heart. And wow, that's an impressive tale of your grandpa that he wants, you know, if I could be sure that I would be drafted to non-frontlines and risk my life, I think I would stay away from it.

But instead, to take advantage of a passing status to fight on the frontlines, that's crazy. Yeah, it's something you don't... I mean, we are just often privileged enough not to think about those things or not be confronted with those things. But if you go back to look at that Flying Hellfish episode, you're you're like oh yeah all those guys are white because of the segregated army yep yeah yeah which pretty fucked up i mean my favorite i guess comedic take on that is david cross's bit about the segregated graveyards oh that's a good one i believe it's on uh the cd it's not funny or the album it's not funny it's a very very funny bit about what he wants you to do with his corpse after he dies oh yes yeah i wonder if he's changed that plan yet i don't know who knows he's you know he's a

father now i might uh his comedy burial might not be as funny now that he has a child he broke his contract with the audience by having a child so who knows what happens next he promised us a lot so did pat noswalt yeah it's true i'm happy for both of them me too yeah yeah so up next we have moaning lisa and alec whitney says my dad and i were super into playing games together when i was a kid he would play zelda after i went to bed and my mom would fall asleep on the couch to this day if you hum the first couple bars of the zelda theme around her she will have it stuck in her head for a week also after not playing games for 20 years i got my dad a switch in breath of the wild last year and he has 500 hours in it.

I was very proud. That is very sweet, Alec. That's like a Switch commercial, bringing families together. Yes, bringing generations together. I will say that, like, I think I, we did a Retronauts episode about The Legend of Zelda, the first game,

I don't know, like two or three years ago. And as a kid growing up, like that was the game dads played. It was like every dad was playing that game. And like, as the little kids like us would just like poke around it was like every dad was playing that game and like as the little kids like us would just like poke around it and like not really understand it but the dads were like you know getting out the maps and reading the books and everything so that was like the dad game dr mario was the mom game you know i've uh that's so gendered bob but hey hey they chose it

uh you know i i knew friends who that was the dad game, but my dad didn't go in for that dork stuff. He just liked the sports and the gun games. My stepdad, rather, was a former D&D player. And when my mom started dating him, he lived in his mom's basement because he just went through a divorce. And all the walls were lined with fantasy paperbacks. So, big dork. Big dork, my stepdad. But he never wanted to do anything dorky with me. That's weird. He's likebacks so big dork big dork my stepdad you know but he never

wanted to do anything dorky with me that's weird he's like you're dorky enough i don't want you to get worse uh you know my my dad did reveal he had a like i think a dork summer or whatever well he where he read all the tolkien books but uh but then he turned on it i think and went more into when he became a cop oh yes also on moaning lisa john harrison said i have to admit i sympathize with mr largo's attitude in this episode he mentions that the recital is next week so his future employment could be at stake it doesn't make his response right but i understand i have worked jobs for 90 of my performance evaluation was based on my performance in the open class where parents come in and watch. So, yeah, you know what?

That's a good point about how tough it is to be Largo. He won't be judged on Lisa's ability to empathize with the poor. It's their ability to play music. It's true, but I will say like uh the intent with the character is like you're not supposed to sympathize with him it's based on someone macrianing despise so yeah that's true yeah i i mean as an adult you can see that he's in a bad situation too now while still being like no this is very repressive to do to children and uh nobody in the comments did this but several people on on Twitter updated me on the canonicity

of Dewey Largo's homosexuality. They did jokes about it. And then somewhere in the season 20-ish, they made it clear he was gay and he actually quits his job and marries a man also named Dewey, which is part of the joke. So he's off the show? Well, he stopped being Lisa's music teacher, at least for one episode. And apparently he randomly appears as Nina for jokes. But that episode was meant to write him out of being her music teacher to get somebody

they could do more jokes with, I guess. But yes, that's the current situation with one Dewey Largo. So up next, we have what a cartoon comment. And our first episode is, of course, Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds with our amazing guest, Little Kuribo, such an amazing guest. And he was so much fun on the episode. Oh, yeah.

And make sure you check out his YouTube videos if you haven't yet. That's a great way to watch Yu-Gi-Oh. Even if you don't understand it or don't care, he makes it so funny. He really his voice is just great so curtis bostick says i was one of those people who wrote off 5ds because a motorcycle seemed like the absolute least practical place to play a card game but once i decided to revisit classic yugioh i re-examined that idea and realized that anything short of a regular ass table is impractical so why not elevate

to the absurd once i got over that mental roadblock i gave it a shot and can safely say that you say maybe my favorite ygo protagonist and i agree with you i was like it's already stupid let's make it stupider how stupid can we make this and i like that you say is like he's a cool quiet guy like he's just a he's a rebel but a rebel with a heart of gold which you know compared to yugi who's like he's both the they wanted to have it both ways with him like he's uh your usual like overly friendly nerd protagonist who then turns into your super cool tough protagonist and uh he gets to have it both ways meanwhile you say like also you say he's like he's got tattoos and stuff too you know that's a bad boy a real bad boy

we can't say no to bad boys shy ranger says about that uh yugioh 5d's great episode you guys were great martin was great just great however there is one point that if henry and bob are reading this question later i would like their brief opinions on. Well, alright, Shy Ranger. How do you guys feel about so many shounen anime having most, if not all, of their villains being redeemed? Using the show as an example, Henry mentioned Tetsu, the corrupt cop, does become a good guy. Do you think that is a good message for inspiring that awful people can be turned to good? Or do you think that it's a negative wishy-washy message implying see this corrupt cop wasn't bad after all redemption

in escapism is something i've been struggling with myself especially in today's times interesting i feel that uh we often want an idealized narrative in fiction one where thing the things we want to happen do happen and i think the redemption of someone awful is a button you can push to make people feel good unfortunately uh that does not that kind of never pans out in the real world or when someone is redeemed and they don't deserve it there's never a more disgusting feeling than that like hey wait a minute that guy shouldn't be famous again like yeah you feel like uh it's too easy for some people yeah and i mean there's no unfortunately there's like no redemption quotient that you can just point at like i did enough of x to be redeemed yeah i i mean look on uh in a less cynical uh space for me i would love

it if more people did you know go through redemptions arcs like characters do and say jojo's bizarre adventure yugioh i and i think it's a hopeful message to give kids that someone who's evil could learn their lesson but in jojo's bizarre adventure for example any character that gets redeemed has to be mercilessly beaten by jojo of whatever part it is to then be rejoined. And even sometimes there are people who are too vile to ever be brought back from the brink. So I kind of like how Jojo plays it on different levels like that. Some people can be redeemed, some can't. I mean, when you think about these as content for the youth, I do like the hopeful message that redemption is possible.

Watching them as an adult, though, who has seen, you know, bad people in politics get away with, say, starting the Iraq war. Yeah. Or seeing police officers who admit no fault in an officer-related shooting, then getting to go back on their job or face no punishment. Administrated leave. Administrated leave. Administrated leave. Like, all these things, it's like, I feel like aggrandizing redemption gets reused by some people who were in no way redeemed, but did the surface-level act of

redemption and then are expected to be fully redeemed. I think it's important to recognize where it's like, this is a feel-good trope that does not always pan out in real life. And when when it does we have to be very careful about it like i would say like one piece is a great example where uh when the villain is defeated in most cases because no character truly goes away in that universe uh they are often brought well they're always brought to their lowest after being defeated and then through like the like opening uh little illustrations in every chapter there are often stories told like here is this person this former villain making a new journey to recraft their identity and redeem themselves like so it is a bit like this guy is

awful he probably killed innocent people but it's still fun to watch him like try to make up for it even though uh in our world that is impossible but it's nice to see like in this idealized world sure if you can why not if you can write your own story where you show every step of an adventure or a in the case of 5ds where you see tetsu the prejudiced hateful and dirty police officer learn that his prejudices are wrong and you get to be on that journey with them then it's easier to believe in a redemption than meeting somebody who says they learned their lesson, but you don't feel sufficiently did in real life because you can't really know another person either. So I hope that answers this very sticky,

ethical question, Shy Ranger. So up next, we have Hilda with the episode, The Bird Parade. And thanks so much for our patron for being on that one yeah thank you Casey And the first question is from Abram Simpsons not Abraham Simpson Who says or sorry Abram Simons who says I absolutely

Love this show I was a kid who Spent most of his time outside looking for bugs Frogs and salamanders I had a rock collection Including several nice agates Basically if I could have made friends With a thunderbird I would have plus the bright color palette and dry britishness made a delightful show that wasn't too treacly also i'm with bob against bird violence as well they're so great but they get a surprising amount of hate despite how intelligent and wonderful they are yeah i hope

this uh show taught uh kids that no don't throw rocks at birds. They're living things and they're nice. Like, it's not a fun game to play, you know? But yeah, I'm hoping in general, the show's environmental and just, you know, nice, naturalistic feel kind of spreads to children of today and teaches them some lessons. Me too. And I should add, so after we recorded the episode, I talked to my partner, Nina Matsumoto, who actually did the comic Sparks. The new one is coming out in August. It's a great graphic novel for kids. I enjoyed it. But she told me like, oh yeah, I remember telling you, Bob, that Hilda was a big inspiration to me in doing Sparks because sitting down to make Sparks, she's like, what works? Like what looks good in this genre? And she was drawn to Hilda. She loved how the colors looked how the characters looked so that was a big inspiration for her that's awesome and she does she loves hilda in the comic we should uh brought her on and as well like and and it's animated in

her town that's that's shocking at the hilda factory uh also on hilda we got a comment from peanut b crunch who says a while back at cherry on Twitter, put forward the idea that Hilda is on the autism spectrum. Consider, one, she tends to not socialize well with people. Two, she has trouble getting around until she's taught about how things look. Three, she tends to fixate on nature slash magical interests, example rocks. Four, she has a strong sense of justice. Feeling deeply for the other creature's friends and not having patience for mean kids. There are other examples, I'm sure, but I thought she made a very good case.

As someone on the spectrum, Asperger's, myself, I am very on board with this interpretation and I would love it if the show slash comics ever did make this official autism being the often misunderstood condition it is we can use all the positive representation we can get and uh yeah i mean from what i know of the autism spectrum that's uh not a that is a compelling argument that that she is meant to represent that yeah it is good to see representation in a way that's not just there to make ableist jokes because there have been characters on the spectrum in television shows

and movies in the past like 10 or 15 years because now we recognize Asperger's and autism more. But I feel like let's say characters like Abed,

who is a lovable character from Community, often the butt of a joke. Often like, he's lovable and aren't these people weird? What a weirdo. Like i feel like it was punching down i i think some of my favorite abed jokes were when he attacked ideas of what people think people on the spectrum are like there were there were like pro uh pro messages on that side but often i think they was like having

your cake and eating it too oh for sure that character but with things like hilda if you want to view that character in that light and also there's a character on craig of the creek who's very much a part of that world uh the sister right yes definitely also the argument can be made she's yeah on the spectrum i don't believe they've made that official either within the show itself i think the shows are more sympathetic towards those characters uh in general no i think i've heard the same about uh the character of peridot in steven universe that she uh she likes things very orderly and she has a lot of trouble you know at first interacting with new people like i mean these these are things that you know a lot of people can identify with too like i said

it in the show like oh yeah a lot of this stuff uh seemed familiar to me that hilda goes through in it as well but i i think uh it sounds especially recognizable to to folks identifiably on the spectrum and i hope i hope that kind of portrayal helps you know kids feel more comfortable with uh neuro atypical uh situations like that me too and up next we have goof Troop and Eve of the Stars says, I watched this episode in the pollution episode that Henry mentioned before listening to this podcast.

Glad I'm not the only one that didn't like that one. It was dumb, like the factory is literally just a pollution factory. It also ends with Goofy becoming mayor, which I'm assuming

never comes up again in the series. Yeah, it's... I forgot that mayor bit. That was strange. It's always weird, like it always left me with like existential dilemma or dread when a show like this would end with a continuity change

knowing like no the like this is this can't be retained i've seen all the reruns yeah it's is the is am i to take this as the last episode and it ends with goofy as the mayor like giant changes like that would bug me as well. They really should have pinned down. We talked about it on the series, but there are some weird sci-fi episodes and weird fantasy episodes where it's just like, figure out your reality, guys. There weren't too many of those,

but when I was a kid, I was like, that's stupid. I mean, again, when you need 65 scripts in nine months. 78. Oh, yeah, sorry. When you need that many, you don't question reading the series Bible too often. Sure, I guess Goof When you need that many, you don't question. Read the series Bible too often. Sure.

I guess Goofy has a dragon in this one. Who cares? Let's move on. We did dragons on DuckTales. What's the difference? Yeah. Also on Goof Troop, Thad Komorowski again. He replies, Pete was actually a bear when he first appeared in the silent Disney Alice

comedies. But when he became Mickey's mortal enemy, he was indeed clearly a cat because cats hate mice, remember? You wouldn't believe how much Toontown turns up as a mandated locale from corporate. Back in the mid-2000s, they were trying to push that as Mickey's hometown

in the U.S. localized comic books, disregarding decades of established continuity that Mickey lived in Mouston, a neighboring city to Donald's Duckburg. But some editors put their feet down and refused to everyone's benefit. I didn't know there was this battle between Mouston versus Toontown. That's very strange. I was just in Disneyland, as we pointed out earlier, obviously for the first time after I did all that bonkers research. Oh, yes. pointed out earlier obviously the for the first time after i did all that bonkers research oh yes and i was walking through it like explaining to nina like they they were building this as they lost roger rabbit this is all meaningless like this is all to just like bolster the uh the

presence of roger rabbit and he was just dead by the time this opened in 1993 it's crazy i didn't i should have i didn't even set foot in toontown i was like why i don't want to walk is everywhere here in toontown's a waste of my time uh it's still fun to look at it just it's fun to see like they had so they had the biggest plans for this this was their future this was going to be this the home of their future star yeah but he had like five god i i'd say like three years of life if yeah yeah i and it's so underserved it's just a waste of space like i like the gadget go coaster i'd still bulldoze the whole thing start over new like that's that's what i do with toontown i roger i would write sucks but i still write it i can see

how insistent they are it's funny though they're like well yes from a disney corporate standpoint if you go to disneyland's toontown mickey's house is there so you're you need to tell kids that's where mickey lives goofy lives his house is there but uh you know in the reality of the disney comic book world which seems to be its own universe then just respect mouston versus duckberg which by the way i've been watching on disney plus a ton of the ducktales show finally i'm catching up it's a really good show also toontown is the only place with a uh disney afternoon themed ride and all of like any disney park so that's true uh rescue like there's one picture of gadget way in the back but she's there if they bring the bonkers costume out again

for one night i will buy a plane ticket to Long Beach that day. That's worth all the pictures. Yes. So moving on to our movie for this month, The Great Mouse Detective. And Kaiser Beam says he's talking about Dave Michener, one of the directors of this movie. First, while his Tom and Jerry Kids credits are listed last on his IMDb, I've seen some people say that Dave Michener's last true credit was being animation director on Hanna-Barbera's last independent feature film, Once Upon a Forest. He's credited for helping pin down the entire look of that film, and you can see why.

It looks like a Disney movie on a modest budget from the backgrounds to the way the characters animate. It's a very fascinating and, in my opinion, underrated movie that also traumatized me as a kid like a great mouse detective did second it was confirmed in a disney adventures comic from the mid-2000s that fidget survived his fall wow they waited a long time to confirm that so not only that but he also made a heel face turn i don't think i found full scans of that comic but what little i have found reads like what if great mouse detective got its own disney afternoon show sure and finally yes the miss kitty scene was just one of the many scenes of my childhood that made me furry but she wasn't the first that credit goes to made marion and disney's robin hood and i guess they chose to show what happened to fidget in uh the comics because they own that character oh yeah he's an

original invented for them but yeah that's i mean, it sounds like he went through what happened to Iago and most of the friendly comic characters that you're still going to sell toys of, even if they're evil. Though not that Fidget got very merchandised at all. But it's interesting that some cartoonist for Disney Adventure was like, could I just do Great Mouse Detective, please? The society demanded an answer to what happened to fidget and uh yes thank you for that update on once upon a forest i don't think i've ever seen that i'm sure like when i was a kid and uh in video stores i would know what the cheapo

disney wannabes would be and i would kind of avoid them that's i penned it as that yeah yeah i i probably saw it on the vhs shelves and was just like this wasn't advertised to me mom i'm not gonna watch this and lastly our final comment of the month from brian horton about great mouse detective has anyone tried to play the basil the great mouse detective video game i didn't realize it existed until searching around about the movie recently i haven't played a lot of c64 zx spectrum games i think the first disney movie licensed game i played as a kid was little mermaid on nes anyway here's a long play to the game if anyone's curious any links to it in here i'm checking it

out now and i and i run a retro gaming podcast by the retronauts in case you don't know and i would never play this game i mean all i needed to see was that it was on the zx spectrum and i knew i wasn't gonna play that it looks like uh a bad platformer made uh for people who are not me so i you know again i pity all you c64 zx people that you had you didn't have a proper nintendo entertainment system with good games on it i i'm so sorry for you uh oh but brian horny continues sorry i really like the moment in the scene where radigan is enraged at being called rat and his thugs start reassuring him that he is a mouse the voice of bill the lizard changes he slips into what is pretty much a full mickey mouse voice to say yeah a big mouse nervously wayne Allwine, then the current voice of Mickey Mouse,

is credited as one of the thug guards. I'm guessing he was Bill. Not sure if it was intentional, but it made me laugh. I totally missed that in the movie. I mean, it made me laugh to hear, yeah, big mouse. But, you know, I like this guy's conspiracy theory. I like it too. You know, I was just thinking,

it probably won't happen because of rights issues, but let's get a great mouse detective level in Kingdom Hearts. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think. You could be in that clock. You can be in that Big Ben. Oh, that'd be such a cool fight. Yeah, I think they've trawled all the other films that anybody remembers.

Get into the great mouse detective. Do that before oliver and company you know or rescuers down under so i'm watching this long play of the um great mouse detective game and it ends with uh the sky chase between radigan and basil and his crew and it shows the two like things the two aircraft like floating side by side with like very slow text explaining what's happening and what happens is uh radigan's uh thing is too fast and he escapes to be continued what so the game doesn't even have an ending oh that is the worst yeah come on yeah so what a what a bummer jesus they can't they can't even kill him or that's terrible they could draw like

they had enough memory to draw like two little flying things but not like a gif of radigan falling oh boy i mean obviously they couldn't put the do the inside of big ben that was going to be way too much work for a c64 but not gonna happen jesus man that is i'd be so disappointed if i had been a kid playing that fortunately i had the good system the nintendo entertainment system that never had bad games on it. Never, never, never. So thanks again to everyone for listening to another episode of Talk to the Audience. And once again, apologies if I sound a little stuffed up, but thank you so much for supporting the show because if I had been sick for five days anywhere else, I would have just used

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