Talking Simpsons - Talk to the Audience?!? - February 2021

Episode Date: March 3, 2021

The shortest month of 2021 is nearing its end, and we've got lots of Simpsons news to look back on! Not just the usual stuff too, as we chat with our pall Drew Mackie about his viral Simpsons video. Plus, we preview some upcoming podcasts from us, reflect on our own February fun, and respond to some of our favorite Patreon comments. So cancel your trip to the Bahamas and listen now! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! Check out our new shirts on TeePublic! And please follow the new official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

I heartily endorse this event or product. Bob Mackey holding out for a Simpsons season 33 renewal. Who is here with me today? Hey, it's Henry Gilbert and all my voice samples here are taken from previous episodes of podcasts. Henry couldn't be with us today, but yes, thank you for listening to this podcast. In case you don't know, talk to the audience is our monthly community podcast where we talk about what's happening in the Simpsons world and in our world.

And then we respond to your questions and comments left on the last month's worth of episodes. If you're on the free feed, this is the first episode of the month. If you're on the the free feed this is the first episode of the month if you're on the patreon feed this is the last episode of the month but yes thank you and we have quite a few bits of simpsons news to go through this month we're recording this the day it goes live on patreon and i'm happy that we waited because so much news has been breaking yes yeah it's uh last month we had like five days in between and a couple of things actually did break.

But this time we are doing it the day it will post on Patreon. So which also will be funny because next week you'll hear a podcast that was recorded three months before we posted it. November, right? Yes. Talk to the early December and talk to the audience. Meanwhile, is it's hot off the press. Up to the audience. Meanwhile, is, uh, it's hot off the press up to the minutes news. And yes, what happened in the past month is that we have another Simpsons writer death.

And we will address more of this in our upcoming episode about insane clown poppy, because that is the first time that we are really sitting down to talk about an episode written by someone who has passed away. Yes. Yeah. And that's Don Payne. Yeah.

And, uh, and last month we talked about uh season five writer david richardson they also very tragic this month mark wilmore passed away at the age of 57 from covid related illness yeah way too young yes very way too young the a writer in the teens seasons uh famously the jokester who played who pretended to be the mayor of east st louis who uh terrified matt selman and just an incredibly accomplished writer you know in comedy worked on shows with larry wilmore also wrote for the pjs and in living

color among many other shows just a very accomplished guy and was just on f is for family yes well two different f is for family writers passed i i feel very bad for michael price that's right yeah and and of course all the family and and i mean too not just that it was you know passing but from covid related as well it's like you know especially if you're older you have other comorbidities like you gotta take it seriously like it isn't the flu yeah it's sad to see a covid death uh of somebody that we know of yeah you know and sadly before we get to one of his episodes in the show too i i'm sad we're gonna only be talking about him posthumously when we

get to his episode an interview that we can't do, unfortunately, now. I also do believe that Mark Wilmore was the first full-time staffed African-American writer on The Simpsons. I believe so. There was a previous black writer who just did one episode. David Carrington. Yes. And I forget which episode that was, but it was in the Gene and Risa, I believe. I think it's over.

It's a triple bypass. I think it's Homer Gets a Triple Bypass. Yeah, that's right. But, you know, obviously not the best thing to look back on historically that it took over a decade for The Simpsons to hire full-time an African-American writer. But, you know, hey, better late than never, I suppose. But sad to hear about it. R.I.P. Mark Wilmore. And the most recent episode of the simpsons as of this recording was called diary queen and it was the show saying goodbye to edna krabappel in a way

that they really couldn't before because she passed away can you believe it in 2013 jeez so almost a decade ago we've been without mrs krabappel and of course marshall wallace and according to al jean it was very sudden they had no time to prepare and they didn't really have a chance to record anything with her before she passed away and of course that might be a little bit rude like hey you're dying yeah come on down we need to say goodbye to Mrs. Krabappel the cartoon teacher Mrs. Krabappel used to say her last words but I I can see from yeah he's also thinking you know as an actress Marshall Wallace also might have wanted to say farewell in a role it's a tricky situation but I was talking about this probably on last month's talk to the audience but when I was in

Canada I was watching a lot of episodes in the 20s in those seasons right and just seeing Mrs. Kay back so much made me really miss her and realize like god she was so great Marsha Wallace is so funny this character is amazing and it's so sad that we can't have the actor or the character anymore because of mortality and I'm again it and that it took him eight years i can see why gene was it was something that bothered him that they their their farewell that they did you know was bart's doing the chalkboard gag the week she passed away sad saying well miss you miss k and and then you know further down the line in that season they had what was the final line of edna that they had of them her dancing with ned and then it cuts away

to show that that was just a dream and and ned was sad and that it clearly showed she passed away he was wearing a black armband but they never and even in this they don't say how she died yeah it's it's not about that i'm glad they didn't because either you make it funny or realistic like i don't want to think mrs krabopla had cancer or something like that like marshall wallace did but yeah i like the episode and i believe there is maybe one or possibly two lines that were recorded with her but not existing in the narrated episode is that what happened aljean wasn't very clear about it in one of the articles i read i did see jean uh admit to like if you're a hardcore fan you've probably

heard one of these lines before okay or two but yeah she they they only used two pre previously recorded things of her and uh and it's just good it did feel special to see her on screen again yeah it felt nice and but also i wonder if this was you know now when aljean does this kind of thing is this also a statement of like please don't bring her back like don't keep this character gone because the actress is gone but though it also was weird to see it in an episode where like irreplaceable marsh waltz which she is but then i'm hearing martin talk and that's not russie taylor i'm like well yeah like it lets you know there is a line of like what is retirement what is it maybe russie taylor was like no replace me that's fine i'm used to this yeah i just wish they never replaced doris growl because she was

that character they made the character for her and The Critic. And to have another Lunch Lady Doris, I know Dora, I get it, I understand. But to bring her back, I think it's very insulting to the woman who's dead now. Maybe, especially somebody that Jean was so close, worked with quite a lot. She seemed great, Doris Crowe. Maybe Jean learned from that lesson, though.

Could be. But it was a sweet episode. Yes, did it need an extended West Side Story parody in the beginning absolutely not and i thought it was funny because that movie was supposed to open in december of 2020 and it got pushed forward a year yeah it's opening this december and i know uh al gene loves parodies he got into the business writing parodies but i bet he was he was dancing when he realized my God, with all these remakes, I can dust off critic jokes. This is my time to shine. So all these movies he liked to parody 20 years ago or 30 years ago, he can now make

new jokes about. You would think after the terribleness of the last West Side Story parody they did, you'd think they wouldn't do it again. Wait, what was that? The Squad versus trump in america no they just did that didn't they forget it yeah i did too but yes yes so uh listen you'll never top the good feathers parody of that so you have to move on that's a good one yes corsese said also in that episode i couldn't find this fully confirmed, and Al Jean would not reply to me on Twitter.

Rude. But based on the credits, the character of Julio sang in it, and I don't believe it was Hank Azaria. It absolutely was not. I believe it is an actor slash singer named Mario Jose, who you can find his singing videos on YouTube. I mean, as a person who likes uh big barry men i think he's an attractive uh gay guy so i gotta say when you're singing in your car

hands on the wheel buddy i watched those videos it gave me a panic attack don't throw balloons around when you're driving down the street i'm calling the cops especially in la traffic that guy's gonna just run over my head like a pumpkin one day. Well, he hasn't recorded a car video in like three years. That's true. Maybe he learned something. But yeah, but that's not the only voice actor replacement. Though the next one won't be until the next episode. If you watch Diary Queen, you also got to enjoy the final voice performance of Dr. Hibbert.

It was one of those things where when i heard new carl i was asking myself is this hank azaria just as an older man or is this a new voice with with hibbert last night i was like wait a minute is that harry shearer or is he getting too old to do the voice but no that was harry shearer last night yeah and kevin michael richardson the great voice actor he will take over for hibbert and of course that that's that's just uh i guess that because he is the utility player for black characters on the show and that that's that's just the i guess that because he is the utility player for black characters on the show and i assumed he would take over the role yeah i well and he's kevin michael richardson on top of being very nice to us the one time we met him he also like

is an amazing voice actor who's been doing it for decades so uh but it definitely i i saw some people note that like well they're giving other newer actors a chance at refilling in these roles uh we all joked that like oh it's gonna be phil lamar and kevin michael richardson that's the only two uh black male actors they know but i do think you know he's again i bet he does a very good hibbert uh if you're hearing this in the free feed the episode has already aired that he's in the February 28th episode. But I feel like every talk to the audience, it used to be the Apu stories and now it's just the recast stories. Recasting corner.

But I was also surprised, though, that the way they handled it with Hibbert, with Carl, they definitely re-recorded lines. They were just like, well, no, it's not. We made the decision and now we just hired the new person and we're re-dubbing lines but with hibbert they were still sheerer lines that stayed in they didn't re-dub those until now so it makes me wonder if they didn't want to re-dub sheerer lines they recorded and only episodes only voices they recorded after they made the decision perhaps i i don't know i'm and also in the stories on it that like published by vulture that had the announcement of it shearer or his

representatives had no comments on it so he's not gonna comment on the simpsons he'd say like hey ask me about the show that's what i want to talk about as long as he's still getting paid he has no complaints outside of all the ones he does in interviews yeah uh so moving on to uh the simpsons not getting renewed oh no because here's what happened in 2019 the simpsons was renewed for two seasons it was early february so we are coming up on more than two no no we're past more than two years since the last renewal happened and hey buddy we got a new air new episodes in the fall we need to start making them where's the renewal yeah hey goober where's the renewal uh yeah you know we've we've talked about it before on here but when they when they did that last renewal it was literally right under the wire of disney fully taking over those decisions it was yeah yeah it was right before it

became official and so i think that was fox making one last deal and they renewed for two seasons at that time too i think that was them future-proofing themselves of like whatever disney's plans are they gotta air two seasons of simpsons the way it always has been and and the and that got them over 700 they you know by the end of next month i believe we will have the 700th episode and so that's really the question as time keeps going on it's like all right is Simpsons gonna be renewed for another broadcast season or as Disney is doing with pretty much all of their content are they thinking streaming first and you know all all you ever hear is like yeah Simpsons does so great on Disney+. Why wouldn't they just make New Simpsons as a exclusive for Disney+,

instead of airing it on a broadcast network Disney does not own? I could see that being a great exclusive. Also, in season 32, the one that we're on right now, eight of those episodes are production season 31. So by the time we finish this season, there's still going to be half of production season 32 to air so even if it doesn't get renewed they will still have half a season to air as uh broadcast season 33 but still half production 32 honestly they really stretched it out they could make it to

like april 2022 with a final episode you know i though i wonder they've certainly have commissioned their last script of that season 32 production. So, I mean, did they write it as a possible finale? Like, I wonder about that. But also, like, there's the question of how much power does Gracie Films have now in the new Disney situation? Like, Gracie Films always had a lot of editorial control over Simpsons and where it went. Groening and Brooks kind of splitting it 50-50.

So I wonder what happens there. There's a lot of unanswered questions about what season 33 would be. I maintain that I think Simpsons seasons and these, every time I've watched a new episode, I'm like, that's all right. That's good. But if they just squeezed them down to 12 episodes a season instead of 22 to 24. I mean, everyone is still funny,

but everyone is also getting much older. And I don't think people that are in their sixties or approaching their sixties should be expected to make the same amount of shows they made when they were in their twenties every year. It doesn't seem fair. I wonder how their recordings, I don't notice any real difference in the recordings when it's clearly at home stuff they've been doing I will say watching that

Bart centric episode that was really when it hit me like boy Nancy she's starting to sound a bit old too I think she must have been sick or something because Bart sounded way more hoarse than normal and I had previously watched a few others from the season and Bart did not sound that like hoarse and raspy

so it feels like maybe it was her home recording setup maybe she was sick but something was off but I agree I mean everybody maybe except for Yardley sounds older Yardley just has always sounded like Yardley I think Azaria still can sound relatively young too but his Wiggum is still on point uh Moe is sounding a bit older Moe sounds a little tired yeah that's true mo needs a nap but uh yes so more uh news and sad news at that so blue sky the sister studio to the simpsons of fox was shut down by disney ending almost 500 jobs in a damn pandemic and canceling a nearly finished film and was that a short film or is that a no it's a full feature film it's uh it's crazy i mean look am i the biggest fan of blue sky content like no i'm a mammoth i i've probably only watched like

two blue sky films in entirety and then it was likely on an airplane but you know what i forever have a copy of ice age in my youtube videos because I bought an Android tablet once in my life and they gave me a free copy of Ice Age. So at any point in my life, I can watch Ice Age. If you ever feel like it. But this is one of those things like I know everybody loves Disney because they have all their favorite characters. But like this is the shit that happened. Disney did not buy Fox to keep people employed. They bought Fox to get the things that people make and make it themselves. Exactly. It is the oldest story in corporations where it's

never a good idea if a bigger corporation buys you. If you're at the top, yes, it's a great idea. You get all that money, but if you're a worker, look out. If you're one of those plebs who just goes like, well, now we'll have so much more money backing us. It's like, you've got to count your days until layoffs.

This blue sky thing is sad from so many angles like first off of just so many people losing their jobs and i also saw you know animation friends of ours well i'll just say it's that that that mentioned this angle that i didn't realize before too which is blue sky is based on the east coast it was in connecticut and disney wouldn't want to have all these employees that they can't immediately visit in california they want everybody to be on california no uh i mean maybe even goes back to the oldest of disney times of like i'm against all those east coast animators walt disney saying those new york and swarthy types but yeah so they shut down blue sky so they can get it all internally but also like if you are a sociopathic disney executive you say

i have pixar and walt disney feature why do i need blue sky i can just have those guys make an ice age movie fuck it it's just it makes corporate math sense but it's so sad but especially why it's sad and look their last movie they put out was spies in disguise which looks bad listen they are the only cgi folks making bird movies we had rio rio 2 and spies in disguise but it's true i did love the peanuts movie it was yes a million times better than it could have been and also very good on its own terms yeah i think that and in ice age are the only ones i've watched in full i didn't watch rio i didn't watch epic i didn't but yeah but also the biggest tragedy is everybody talks about like oh disney so forward looking and progressive in the films they make blue sky was

about to make a way gayer film than disney has ever tried to make or announced they licensed the comic Nimona by NB queer artist Stevenson who had also did uh She-Ra they get this comic Nimona which is uh like it has gay characters in it and it's a a lead a female lead and it was it's a really fun comic it was going to be this big kids movie with 10 months left which that means for a 3d film that movie is done yeah yeah for the most part with only 10 months left they don't just say like well we're going to finish it with somebody else it's just canceled like it will not be released the cruelty of that of like all that work on a film that's nearly done i i would hope disney finds another home for it or they decide okay we'll finish it ourselves or something do something with that but it's crazy to me that that they

wouldn't at least get in a moan out just for like the pr that they could say like well hey we put out but i mean as a queer person myself i also feel like disney wants the accolades for gay stuff but they always they hold back on gay things more than the other giant that is true they're probably thinking i don't think china would like this let's say i wonder i wonder yeah yeah hey you know what they can't open their theme park in california they got to cut somewhere so they're just losing money these poor folks i know they're so poor they only have a hundred million people signed like right after that blue sky news came out they announced like oh yeah 95 million plus signups for disney plus like well then keep some fucking people employed like but like bill gates said in that classic simpsons i didn't get

rich writing checks and disney comes over with hired goons to beat us up at this point so sad so in happier news congrats to our friend and friend of the show bill oakley he is now the head writer and executive producer of the third season of close enough the hbo max series so congrats to bill yes congrats bill it was great to hear he's also had some really great uh reviews lately on his instagram but yeah this actually got me to finally watch the rest of i liked what i watched of it but that close enough show i hadn't watched all of it now i watched the whole season that's on there and the second season will be premiering pretty soon on hbo max and he was like a consulting writer on those but him being like head writer and executive

producer that really excites me he definitely has ties to uh quintel because he was on the first season of regular show bill oakley was or at least the first like i think he helped get it off the ground yeah in the early days he was an early guy on it and and oakley like it totally fits close enough is about suburban weirdness also parenting stuff like oakley's uh been a dad for a while now too it's a it's a good show i'm more identified with the childless uh couple of course played played by Jason Manzoukas. He's in everything now, by the way. He's got a great voice and look to him. And also, speaking of other streaming news,

I'm going to skip ahead one, that our other friends at Craig of the Creek and Infinity Train, their shows got renewed too. Yeah, congrats. And they are all friends of the show. We can say that with confidence. Yeah, if you recall our one with Lindsay Kaytai, she talked about like how she really wanted infinity train to get renewed they had so many more stories to tell and finally it did and not only do our friends at craig of the creek get renewed but they also are getting a new spin-off as well a preschool age spin-up starring

the uh craig's younger sister jessica so i'm really looking forward to that thank congrats to to all our bros on those shows what i found shocking is i'll go on the twitter aimlessly and if i wanted to distract myself there'll be certain categories like simpsons it'll just show me simpsons related tweets and i discovered that now in certain territories disney plus offers something called disney plus star which gives you access to things like family guy and american dad and a lot of racier stuff and there's a little video with stewie if you want to hit play on that which is like stewie will tell you he's going to be on disney plus hello this is stewie griffin from family guy disney plus now has stuff for just

grown-ups we don't. I like hearing Seth MacFarl mock british people for their strange words i do like well also that mcfarland like i'm surprised they even listened to like disney telling him hey could you just record a thing in stewie and and peter real quick they probably gave him something or perhaps money but yeah when i was seeing that on twitter this is this is so not related to what we're doing right now but you mentioned disney plus when i saw it on twitter i was like well this is a joke. People are making this as a joke, right?

They couldn't possibly be on Disney+, but no. In the UK, you can get Disney plus star and add all this crap. If you go onto Hulu, you can buy channels on Hulu for way too much money, and it adds a bunch of content to Hulu. I hate when you want to watch a movie, and it's like, you've got to have the stars option, Yeah. And it's so much money. It comes up as like oh we do have it if you pay. And then you click on it's like

well not really. And then I'm like well time to find a torrent because I just want to buy the movie a la carte. Yeah. Yeah. I I guess the star thing must exist because they don't have Hulu in other countries. So we have Hulu in the United States and that's where the dirty things live

though i i that reminds me i did see folks in our discord uh mentioning that like well yes some stuff is there but what isn't there is king of the hill like still no king of the hill on star really yeah which is unfortunate really not it's true apparently in the uk king of the hill is tied up in a in a different deal somewhere and i believe that's the issue in canada as well i think that star thing is for canada too i don't uh we should ask our canadian friends about this i regretted not bringing my dvds or hard drive full of episodes to canada because i wanted to watch king of the hill with nina and we couldn't in canada uh that's too yeah just uh we're we're doing good

enough now we could buy two copies of dvds once for canada one for america once for the wife house the wife house and uh finally in news uh twitter user matthew hyten recreated the intro to the show using only stock footage and it's hard to describe so you'll have to search for it yourself but it's twitter.com slash matt hyten and that's how you find m-a-t-t-h-i-g-h-t-o-n you'll find or just search for simpsons intro stock footage it's very uh well done and i'm surprised like there's no uh there's no getty images watermark on this footage what are you doing bro he paid for the real money on that stock footage i and also in the news if one of those like yes i skip over so many of these

like did simpsons predicted things but yes ted cruz did do a simpsons oh you're right because every elected official has contempt for everyone they serve and they will never be punished or held accountable and he went to uh well he blamed it on his daughters but he uh during the horrible environmental crisis of the uh the weather super event and we're going to see more of those for the rest of our lives but they're not going to be so super anymore they'll just be like well yeah this is january weather everything freezes solid uh texas froze over only rich people had power and ted cruz is like well time for me to go to cancun and again it's another one of those things where it's just like yeah this is the

simpsons joke but no one is shamed in fact they made a good point on chapo trap house that if you told conservatives about this they would be on his side like liberals don't want him to take a vacation yeah exactly he earned it so now i was seeing the excuses for him too of like oh well what's he supposed to do he's a senator is he supposed to like give out treats or something it's like yeah i for not just texas texas and the states around it we're all going through problems but texas's extra problem was thanks to an insanely privatized power system they were without power hundreds of thousands of people without power and i have a friend who lives in austin now and she was posting pictures all

like here's my toilet snow that i put in my toilet to flush it jesus christ that's i that sounds like a nightmare i feel bad for any nice person who's stuck in texas in that kind of weather event oh yeah the people that are defending him are lower than worms especially you're right totally like he's just an elected official what is he supposed to do it's like i don't know show solidarity yeah not go off on an extravagant tropical vacation while everyone else is freezing to death what could the most powerful senator in texas possibly be able to do in texas it's like that way of saying come on what's possibly be able to do in Texas? It's like that way of saying, come on, what's a senator supposed to do?

It's not like he has the power to make deals with people or call anyone. I don't want to get too political on this podcast, but I'm hearing a lot of things like, it's Biden's first month. He's getting to know where things are in the White House. He's never been there before. Anyways, I'm waiting for my check. Yeah. Hey, where's that 2000 already baby man or i mean 1400 that completes the 2000 it's all about completing the 2000 i i can do math i feel bad for oakley and weinstein though too that their one episode that they wrote in season four they have to hear about every single day like simpsons

predicted it only because they wrote an episode about how in a pandemic the springfield government is useless and destroys itself and like that it's unfortunate that every time the news is like oh it's just like that because this sucks like america's falling apart we are not quite eating uh killer bees yet i guess people are drinking bleach which is kind of the same joke. Same joke. So yeah, their exaggerated scenario from 30 years ago is now true, and they have to hear about it every day. Now Ted Cruz was only caught at the airport. He didn't have a steel drum guy walking through his

shot, but eventually he will. And I gotta say, he's got a Homer Simpson body. He was dressed in like a polo shirt. He has like the Simpsons anatomy. It was perfect. Do you think this means we'll get more or less of him trying to be like, I actually like the Simpsons. can do impressions excellent smithers oh god but you know in happier news something else went viral this month every gay joke in the simpsons ever and we don't have to just report on it because we got a friend who made it that's right we talked to drew mackie

from gayest episode ever about his simpsons mega compilation of every gay joke. And here is our great interview with the great Drew Mackey. So joining us right now is Drew Mackey of Gayest Episode Ever. Hello, Drew. Welcome back to the show. Thank you guys for having me back. Yeah, this is, you know, in our new segment, we often cover the viral Simpsons stuff that happened during the month. And this time, luckily enough, we are friends with a person who went viral with a big, big Simpsons video video this month the virus is coming from inside the house well yeah so drew you uh the you are the co-host of the gayest episode ever podcast and you did a whole new video uh charting and in a very in-depth video yes to the point that i was sort of worried that when you guys talked to me about it for the podcast, you would be like interventioning me and telling me to stop watching The Simpsons.

Yeah, I made a super cut of every LGBT joke in the history of The Simpsons. Yeah, you have now watched more episodes of The Simpsons than us because you've seen all of them now to catalog it all. And the video is about two and a half hours long. And I was curious, Drew, what did you consider a gay joke? And what did you have to leave behind? How many edge cases did you find in your research? The Simpsons where Flanders and Homer bet on Todd and Bart doing mini golf. And the terms of the bet are they have to mow the lawn in their wife's Sunday best.

I did not consider that a gay joke because it is very clearly two straight men wearing a dress. So stuff like that where it's like, yeah, it's not really in the ballpark. not consider that a gay joke because it is very clearly two straight men wearing a dress so like stuff like that where it's like yeah it's not really in the ballpark but basically anything else where you're acknowledging the existence of gay people a gay character is used to pop in and give a line in a stereotypically gay manner or reference to like real life gay stuff i guess um it was it was as broad as it possibly could be with another uh exception for like early martin jokes before they actually realized that they want to make fun of martin as being gay um when they're like hinting at that i'm showing the progress of that that made the cut as well okay him walking around with the loot is not not entirely gay him's announcing to everyone me

and bart are friends that does i think go over the line too gay yeah i think he also uses the word date in that exchange as well oh yes it's a date yeah and i was curious through what trends did you notice over the course of 30 years come and go in terms of the gay joke well if you're watching the early seasons there's a few episodes that have a gay joke here and there but it's not every episode but about around the time you get to like midway through the run of the show like a few seasons ahead of where you guys are right now it's almost every episode. But around the time you get to like midway through the run of the show, like a few seasons ahead of where you guys are right now, it's almost every episode, which made editing much, much more work for me. And it is really surprising when you get through an entire episode and they don't have some sort of gay joke.

Yeah. And then now the trends are more less. They still do Martin is gay, actually. But more often than anything, it's like weird jokes about Lisa's sexuality or like more often Homer and Marge get to express some form're just kind of acknowledging that and laughing at how this is like a shared commonality which is sort of progressive and surprising when you think about what the show used to be you know over time i i guess i have seen the transformation for jokes from homer like say in the season 12 three house of horror we just did where the joke would be wouldn't it be funny that homer would be excited that lenny would uh give him a compliment? Like, that would be silly.

No straight man would want a compliment from another man. And now they're just like, you know what? No, this is just straightforward. Homer appreciates an attractive co-worker complimenting him who is a man. Yeah, and that's not even weird. Like, you're just showing that Homer's a little needy and emotional. And that's just not who Homer was in the first few seasons in that way, that specific way. And it was interesting to see, too, like charting, especially the character of Smithers

through those that we've all seen in the earliest seasons. He is more just attracted to Burns. He's not like it's like by season three when he talks about his dog Herky and having a gay weekend like that. That I think is when they finally are like, no, no, he's he's just a gay man. He's I think they even cut a line from Blood Feud. They said he was going to say, leave me enough blood to get home to my wife. Right. When I heard you guys say that, I was very surprised to hear that that was a joke that almost made the final cut.

That is very odd. And in terms of jokes about trans people, when do you think those started entering the show? Because I remember some early ones where it was like the silly 90s joke of he got a sex change in big quotes and the mother shaboo boo joke and things like that. When did they start really hitting hard

on the trans humor, the kind of transphobic humor? I think mother shaboo boo probably is the first trans joke. I probably should have had that in my notes, but it's definitely the first one I can remember. And it sucks. And over time, they just start making more sucky jokes about trans people because they think it's funny to imply that any character who might be a gay man is also possibly wanting to transition.

And that is a joke that sort of never goes away. I'm going to say it's in the suckier middle years, probably, that that sort of humor starts creeping out. Can we blame Family Guy for that? Maybe. And South Park. Oh, yeah. In terms of transphobic shows.

But yeah, we're hitting the seasons in which we're seeing more and more of those jokes, for sure. A writer at a gay publication asked me about this, too, about your video. And an interesting thing i thought about was how crying game kind of mainstreamed this bad this new new version of it that was always this you know transphobia is hardly invented by crying game and i don't think even the crying game is a bad film i think it's good but it it was the thing that opened up the door to all of these new like she's really's really a man, baby type jokes. The joke could be character one asks, how was your day?

Character two, have you ever seen The Crying Game? Big laughs. That's all you would need to do in like 1995. That's a good point. I actually didn't think about this in those terms, but it's like the thing that you guys talk about where Forrest Gump was 90s TV's way of making fun uh developmentally disabled people and deliverance that was their way of making fun of uh like male rape and also gay sex depending on what they wanted to do with it and that was a really sneaky way yeah they did use cranking that way yeah well and before that rain man like i i just re-watched a couple episodes of critic on crackle uh and i was

like every episode has a rain man joke i. I'm like, I get it. You've not seen it. It was just a real sneaky way to get away with ableist humor while just saying like, no, no, no. It's a popular movie. We're just referencing that. That's why the Elephant Man keeps appearing, too. You know, it is weird that they don't really examine. Why do we want to make these kind of jokes so badly?

Or like in The Simpsons way, why do we want to make these like transitioning jokes so badly? Why do we think that's such a good punchline? I mean, you know, with the, I think by even the 90s for the mostly progressive guys on the writing staff, I think they knew of like, well, you know, openly homophobic is not PC and that's not cool. Or especially in Hollywood circles, though they could just giggle

it like the idea of a man kissing another man isn't that silly but I think it yeah that something that I know just in general today too if you see somebody who's transphobic I just tell myself like they would be openly homophobic if they could be but they know they can't so I don't need to be offended personally about somebody to hate transphobia but that's an extra angle to it with another strike for them i couldn't believe watching some of those that like the jokes i hadn't seen in the future ones like that the one that mr largo wanted to transition and then but it's just for one joke like and it and it's only because he is gay like that is the the only reason he has exhibited no other versions of that no other inclination to it before that yeah and none

of the like gay coded characters on the simpsons ever really seem to have that sort of inclination that's not something that's really ever been explored on the show in any real way and it just seems so cheap um yeah yeah it's really it's really just it's really disappointing to uh see this show that i love do these things that i really don't like and i wish you could find a way to make amends for that but i mean that is the history you were doing you like it is everything and sometimes especially for a thing that's been going for 30 years everything's not not good. You know, like for every Homer's phobia, which for its time, very progressive, there's times where Mo straight up says a slur for trans people. Or they, oh God, the gay marriage one is one of the craziest ones to go back to seeing your clips from it.

Because I only remembered it positively because I forgot the twist at the end and then boy oh boy boy yeah that one's really disappointing because i actually think the first two acts are not terrible and it's an interesting way to um put marge in the position of having to confront some sort of deep-seated homophobia that she has and then that last third just turns into a transphobic mess and we will eventually bring on um a trans guest for you to discuss that episode that's gonna be a long episode of like picking every little thing apart i'm not necessarily looking forward to doing that yeah if i recall correctly that episode also has the weird paranoia of trans people or trans women competing in um female sports and dominating it's a big trick but you see that kind of paranoia today,

even in like, even South Park does episodes about that, where it's just like, it's all a big scam to, to compete in women's sports. I wonder, I wonder what the final third of that episode might've been in the original planning stages.

Cause all of that does seem to come out of left field. And yeah, uh, maybe, maybe, maybe there was a more innocent version of it, not innocent, uh,

less transphobic version of that episode at one point. I in that era especially we've heard we we talked about a separate episode from around that same season where the um we interviewed the writer and he was like oh i had a completely different third act and they just changed it all so i could totally see that but but yeah the the history of it all like seeing to like smithers his character and patty's character both going from lightly coated jokes to like you know now they are just fully out and they're coming out episodes or in the past like that i i think that at least charts a positive change in in american culture for sure i I for sure do. And that's why the corresponding gayest episode we did

to introduce the video was the one from last season where Patty has a girlfriend. And it's a fairly well fleshed out thing. And I don't think it's problematic at all. And I really encourage anyone who hasn't checked in on more recent seasons of the show

to check out some of the more recent gay episodes because they're interesting, not always super successful, but they're trying. They seem to learn some lessons with the L and G part of the representation. It was shocking to hear Marge say transgender eventually in the video package as well. I actually heard something. I actually haven't proved this, but there is a joke where Marge, there's this episode where she wants Grandpa to be gay.

They think Grandpa might be gay. And she's excited because this will give her something to shove in the face of Helen Lovejoy, who's always bragging about her transgender cousin. Oh, right. Someone told me that in the original airing of that episode, they do not use the word transgender. They use a slur. And they dubbed it after the fact. I'm i'm like oh that itself is interesting that they recognize that that's not appropriate and they should have done that differently but i wanted to i wanted to give them some points for that but like that that that is another part of that

unfortunate history of the show where they were still working on some stuff you know with that episode i wish uh they just made ape gay at the end of it or at least or by like can't why can't a man be by in anything it's so it's so weird i don't think they ever mentioned the word bisexual on the show unless i missed it but i watched every every fucking episode of that show i don't think they ever mentioned the word bisexual that's how bad bisexual representation is in tv i guess things can be slow to change when the simpsons has consistently had basically kind of the same writing staff for almost 20 years now and these are all people

in their 50s nearing 60. The showrunner is 60 so typically older brains are a little more resistant to new ideas. That's been true for all of history. That is true but at least if you look for the writing credits on the most recent seasons you see a lot of new names in there. You see a lot of young people

people who are younger than us actually are ready for the show now i resent that we all we all do it's funny our generation barely got to write for it and then they just when they finally started hiring young people our generation's now too old to be the young people that hired it but but you know that yeah that episode about patty's girlfriend i also just like gay slobs being in stuff. You know, that is a representation I want to see in things. For real, coming out of the 90s, we always thought that all gay people had their shit together and were trim and neatly dressed and all that. And yeah, seeing Patty's girlfriend just be a female Homer is exactly the kind of representation I think messy party lesbians need to see in the

world yeah i thought it was a good rehabilitation of the character of patty because uh where she started was you know isn't this uh hairy masculine disgusting character she's got to be a lesbian right and now they're making her live that reality but they're they're a lot kinder about it they are um and did you guys notice that um over the of the show, they also make a lot of trans jokes about Patty that they never make about Selma. It is only Patty who ever gets those trans jokes. Selma, who is her identical twin and looks basically like her with slightly different hair, is never the target of those trans jokes. She of Little Faith episode around Christmas time I was watching the Christmas episodes and they renovate the church and Patty says they put ice in the urinals right oh dear you're right even though it could based on

body type if we're analyzing why a transphobic joke is made then based on body type it would be directed at both of them but I guess yeah it's Patty's section I mean it definitely seems to come from an based on body type it would be directed at both of them but i guess yeah it's it's petty sex i mean it definitely seems to come from an older bigoted way of thinking that it's just gays and trans and all these people are just the same type of freak and all interchangeable like i think it might come

from there i don't want to it's i i know a lot of these writers like i would think are being are innocent dopes i would i would guess in most cases just ignorant in that way but i also don't want to make excuses for it like that's it's not okay but yeah if it's not that then maybe they just don't have enough uh interaction with queer people or trans people or anyone who could just be like you know that's not how that works right like that's that's that's not a thing and um maybe try to work out a better way to make that jokes um it is possible that the simpsons can do a non-hateful transphobic joke i don't know how that would work exactly i think you'd have to talk to someone who's a comedy writer but it's possible theoretically right sure anything if you're creative enough anything's possible that's true i but yeah i was uh i guess it watching your video i seeing all the gay jokes grow and improve over

time was nice but then just to see how far they have to go in other departments was that was kind of a bummer but do you guys think it would be so this is my problem i think it would be nice if they made amends for the history of trans jokes somehow, but I don't know how they could do that. Like they could bring a trans writer in, a trans comedy writer and be like, hey, this is how we could do this episode. And they could do like a good version of this sitcom addressing trans themes. But even then, it kind of bothers me because it would be this one isolated episode and

it would be like, here's our little gesture and I don't know if that would even make up for three decades of trans jokes I mean none of us can really weigh in fully on this particular matter but I do wonder what they could do a gesture would be better than nothing I could say this is related but I know the comedian Dana

Gould he was a writer in the beginning of the 2000s for the Simpsons and he was known to make a lot of trans jokes. He's a lot of transphobia in his stand-up act. And even on his podcast in the early years. And a trans person called him out on it. And he had her on his show. And immediately after that, it all just stopped.

Like, he completely stopped. So, I mean, they didn't make up for years of possibly putting the jokes in The Simpsons. But the gesture was at least appreciated and then he stopped doing it completely that is something that is something i don't i don't want them to say that like we just can't talk about trans issues anymore um and there might even be some jokes where the word transgender is used in an unhateful way in the later episodes i won't want them to like just ignore it but yeah yeah something like that might be your your video ends with something that is a real have their cake and eat it too.

Pronouns joke to show exactly where they are like that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That one really sucked with W. Stuckler prefers the term they because he absorbed his twin in utero. And I'm like, oh, right at the end, right after that good Patty episode, it's kind of hit you hit me in the face in a bad way. Really?

That was a real bummer. But yeah, I guess, you know, last question I have about it too is, how hard was it to dodge the copyright stuff? Because there's a lot of music involved in these gay jokes too. January sucked. January was a lot of work of making slight incremental edits on those videos and speeding things up from 110% to 112% to see if I could get past the copyright. And I did it. And I never want to do that again. And, uh, that's, that's, uh, that was

that January was supposed to be my month off. And that was, that was, it was not that at all. You were just in YouTube court the entire time. Would not recommend that. How would you gauge your response to the video so far pretty good um mostly positive i assume i would get a lot of hate mail and the worst thing i get is people telling me like this isn't a gay joke they will say that like smith in this era smithers is just in love with burns he's not gay it's not a gay joke i'm like okay well i think it is and then a lot of people telling me too that i should should have omitted something that I should,

that should have been in the video that actually is in the video. That's a, that's a, but that's, it's an internet thing that you guys, I'm sure you get all the time. When people tell us we forgot something, but then we give them the time code.

I have occasionally given a time code in a reply to say like, well, if you go here, I think you'll be surprised. I think you forgot something. But, but that's good. And I mean,

I, I have seen, I think I even saw on Twitter, Matt Selman, an executive producer of the show, like compliment you on the video. He did. And he listened to that episode about Patty. And I was glad that he got to hear these two gay nerds talking about how the show did something good. Yeah, that's great.

And well, I guess, I i mean this is dangerously turning into a full podcast but thank you so much drew oh and where can we find the video yes uh gayest episode ever.com slash smithers awesome and also yes everybody should also check out your podcast gayest episode ever you just started back up again too uh yeah also if you're on youtube you can just search for smithers and beyond it it will come up. Cool. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. So we hope you enjoyed that interview with Drew. Again, check out Gayest Episode Ever wherever you find podcasts and follow Drew on Twitter as well.

He's a great follow. Well, lots of fun. Yeah. And I look forward to him updating that every month. No, every year. But yeah, we also have some personal news this month. Yes. Starting off with podcasting, I guess. Well, I mean, we've just been podcasting it up.

Yes. Well, I got to say, I mean, no complaints because I'm waiting when it's safe to see my wife again and I want to fill my life with work because it makes time go by faster. And I swear I've been recording at least like six episodes a week since the beginning of February and this week I'm recording eight episodes. Yes. So very busy with podcasting we're very far ahead in Talking of the Hill

as well yes yes we're almost halfway done with that we should have it all recorded before it starts on March 26th so please stay tuned for that and again there will be a Talky Futurama hitting at the end of this month so on the last Friday of this month at the end of this week if you're on the Patreon and if you're on the free feed sign up on that $5

level you can hear Parasites lost right now yes so we are continuing with that and lots and lots of podcasts working way ahead and um oh and man so many we've i i don't want to spoil it i love i prefer surprising you guys with guests but we have recorded with some really cool big guests coming your way in the next few months man oh man i'm so excited for those episodes to go live and i think you'll love hearing them as well so yeah so much is going on um again talking to the hill coming march 26 11 new episodes of that and let's talk about our march schedule so first week of march we're returning to freakazoid with one of the most crazy high concept parodies ever in the episode Dexter's Date in

which an entire act is wasted in a gleeful way on a Hello Dolly parody and we love every second of it so much fun and we got to we reflect on updated information we have on it thanks to Paul Ruggs Twitter account and the following week we have Eek the Cat episode Great Balls of Fur a fantastic parody of Elvis and Elvis elvis movies uh to follow up our interview with the great bill kopp the creator of eek the cat yeah so much fun that one it's just on youtube it should i mean it should be elsewhere but fortunately it's just on youtube don't tell disney they'll take it disney plus star come on pick it up uh the following week after that third week of march is the batman beyond episode blackout yes we have not talked

about batman beyond yet but now we can finally tackle Return of the Joker for another What a Cartoon Movie episode. That's right. I would bet by the end of this year, we'll cover Return of the Joker. And it's great timing because you have HBO Max. That's where Batman Beyond lives now. Plus, there was a very good Blu-ray set

from the year before. So there's a very good HD transfer of it you can find on there and blackout is the third episode of the series and another week in march this month has five mondays doesn't it's a garfield would hate this month the fourth monday we're going to be covering uh classic upa cartoons gerald mcboing boing and rudy tutu going back to the early 50s for these highly influential cartoons that really influence all the cartoons that we watch in the 90s and beyond yeah we learned a lot of history for that one that one is a premium patron pick and both of those you'll just find them uh very good transfers of

them on youtube as well and finally our what a cartoon movie for the month will be ducktales the movie treasure of the lost lamp if you're on the free feed or the patreon at the five dollar level you'll hear our extended free preview of that if you're on the free feed or the patreon at the five dollar level you'll hear our extended free preview of that if you're on the ten dollar level you'll hear the entire thing it's probably going to be between three and four hours long we have not recorded it yet looking forward to watching the movie for i don't know the third time in my life i haven't seen it since i saw it in the theater i saw it on vhs in like 91 and then never since then because it was kind of buried yeah i think so too i think uh i recall in my late 20s, it got like barely released on DVD, but I didn't go into looking for it.

Via the Disney Movie Club, like the secret DVD special organization you had to join. That's right. But but now it exists on Disney Plus. You can watch it. And that was the winner out of the the Disney TV movie one. So sorry, Doug, you lost out again. You know, Recess came very close to winning it was very yeah but second place no nobody likes doug no no it was doug will never win if we if we had an all doug voting on maybe doug would win it was the audacity of calling it his first movie that people didn't like and finally uh in terms of scheduling for our april movie we're thinking should we just cover shrek. It's the 20th anniversary of Shrek.

Shrek was a huge movie. We've danced around Shrek. We've mentioned Shrek. We've talked about Jeffrey Katzenberg in every fucking podcast. I'm sure we will in DuckTales the movie. Oh, of course. You cannot talk about an animated movie

for like 30 years without mentioning Jeffrey Katzenberg. So why don't we talk about the movie that's pure Katzenberg, that influenced every animated movie in good ways and bad yeah like when we did wallace and gromit all we were doing was talking around shrek of like well because of shrek and shrek and shrek and shrek has such an interesting creative history like the creation of it was very long recasting release the farley cuts i want to hear that farley whoa but yeah there's so much

to shrek and for better and worse it changed animated films globally and it's also just funny to like look back at shrek because it's an annoying film it's an ugly film it's full of bad jokes there's some good stuff too but it's also just funny to think of like it is so of an era now yeah and and to think that it's been 20 years that hallelujah scene is just complete cringe uh man and all all the times i can't wait to just hear donkey singing songs that a character shouldn't know in the world he lives in but so yes the poll will be yes or no should we do shrek for the 20th anniversary if the answer is no then we will do a different poll of uh honestly a poll i'll still put shrek on and we'll see if it wins but hey this is up to you guys if you really don't want us to

talk about shrek but i think me and bob would have a lot of fun i think so talking about i mean do i think shrek is as bad as space jam no but i think our space jam podcast have a lot of fun talking about Shrek. I mean, do I think Shrek is as bad as Space Jam? No. But I think our Space Jam podcast was a lot of fun, even though we didn't like the movie. So we can still have fun with a movie that we don't particularly enjoy that much. But I was a Shrek sucker. I think I saw Shrek twice in the theater. Wow, man.

I just saw it once. But then it was like one of the first DVDs I watched. It was actually, I think maybe even before i got a dvd player we went over to my friend's brother's house and he's like he's got the shrek dvd we're gonna watch it on his big home theater donkeys on these interactive menus it's phil lamar but he kind of sounds like eddie murphy i'm sure that's what it was too i i would bet yes yeah uh so let's talk about personal our personal lives get ready for secrets and dirt everybody because my life has been just a uh labyrinth of podcasting

and also starting the immigration process for moving to canada and guess what it takes at least a year so i'll be sticking around for a while but again once i move once the pandemic is over uh we are going to figure out remote recordings nothing will change on your end and podcasts will still be great so don't nobody out there worry and again i'll be doing this for at least a year here in the states uh it's not just like i'm gonna move to canada tomorrow people thought i was already there but guess what it's very very hard to move there and i wish it was as easy as a lot of people think it is the pta has not disbanded okay it's not jump back in through the window please uh yeah but you heard me like just doing so many podcasts working ahead so i can buy myself more time to see my wife hopefully at the

end of the spring or early summer and in terms of watching stuff not related to the podcast i've been still plugging away at slayers next with nina and we're going to be starting a new show soon i'm not sure what that is but i'm watching two new anime series as they unravel and those are promised neverland season two and i'm also watching the remake of the old dragon quest anime series uh dino dibokan or dies great adventure i gotta yeah i should be watching both of those especially the drag i wanted the dragon quest anime to get officially released in america for such a long time and here we got a brand new one and i'm not up to date with it you know what it's interesting because when they made the original dragon quest anime in the 90s the one that this uh so it's they're both based on this manga of the same name so when they were doing in the 90s

the manga wasn't finished and they adapted as much as they could and they ended it and now the manga has been finished for 30 years or 25 years and they're just doing a straight adaptation the entire way because i was going on scanlation sites and looking see how much they change and it's identical like the anime is just beat for beat the manga nothing has changed that's not the case for pompous neverland they changed a lot oh i didn't know they're cutting out huge chunks and i don't know what they're doing but it's still fun to watch that's uh that's interesting the dragon quest going that way too because that is like the level of um respect for the source material reminds me of the current jojo's bizarre adventure anime because that really is like panel for panel if you watch uh in those

like what did they change from the comic the guy has to get insanely granular it's like well this guy was standing on the left instead of the right like but in the for the most part but it really is because the manga was written in the early 90s it is so influenced by dragon ball z so think of it as dragon ball z fights but with dragon quest abilities so they're not really monsters everywhere goopy monsters they're all the monsters are there but it's mainly about fighting boss characters and extended battles over multiple episodes so really cool stuff nice and in terms of playing games i spent most of february playing an old rpg for retronauts you'll hear that i think in march uh and at night set to relax i've been slowly chipping away at mario 64 as part of that mario collection i haven't really touched

the other ones but i love mario 64 and i've just been chipping away at that night by night i'm not going to get all the stars i'm not crazy uh and inspired by the newer retronauts 3ds episode i bought a too expensive new 2ds xl i had to pay twice the sticker price because they're discontinued everyone bought them and they're and they're you know flipping them on the market and i'm a sucker that paid double for it uh i didn't realize there was such a market for it i guess yeah i guess once they were making all the switches they turned off the 2ds machine i mean retail retail is like 100 bucks and i paid 200 bucks so it's not a big deal but yeah i transferred all my things to the new 2ds it's way harder than it ever needed to be every step of the way i thought i was going to lose

10 years worth of uh save games and save software and stats and backup data and everything but no everything works great and man the new 2ds xl is a very very good system i'm so happy with it right now see that's why i couldn't get that 2ds xl because i was like i just i did do it with the new 3ds uh and like seven eight years ago yeah i just couldn't do it again i was like i can't i've now done it three times this sucks every time the stress of like losing all my me plaza bullshit which is meaningless i know but like they they announced on that nintendo direct the a new me topia thing and it just made me go like why couldn't we just have the me plaza on the switch it was so much fun i totally agree and i love all the stat tracking that the we the wii u and the 3ds did because i can go back and

see what i was playing on every day 10 years ago i can see my steps every day up to 10 years ago when i started you know playing with the 3ds all that is retained and it's so cool and the switch doesn't give a shit about any of that it holds it back just so like you can we all at the start of the year went to that website that's like how many hours did you play what was your top game it's like can't you just break all of this out for me so i can know exactly how many hours i played of animal crossing. And then when you go into Switch and you want to know how many hours of a game you played, it's like, about 30 hours. You should know exactly

how many hours. You're a computer. They want to be your friendly friend who's like, you know, about that much. We don't want to scare you. About 100. And also playing, again, Yakuza Like a Dragon is now my forever game. I started it when the day it came out

i'm still playing it have not finished it yet and i'm still playing final fantasy 14 with nina of course that's the common theme in all of these what sorry all of these talk to the audience episodes and for no reason whatsoever i started replaying undertale because i played it the weekend it came out and kind of never thought about it again i loved it i gave it a five out of five on us gamer and i felt lucky to have played it before it exploded and in the five years since the huge subculture happened all the references happened it became like a cottage industry it's fun to return to a very good game and to see just how much it changed nerd and fan culture yeah did you watch the eyepatch wolf uh video about undertale no because i think that is

what inspired me to replay it just to have it fresh in my mind to watch his video about undertale no because i think that is what inspired me to replay it just to have it fresh in my mind to watch his video about it but um undertale has been good to a lot of people especially fangamer who makes a lot of undertale merch and nina of course has been behind a lot of that so he's a superstar of undertale official artworks yeah i i saw her bragging about all the cool seeing her cool art in like uh famitsu i think like in japanese publications as well as america or north american ones so that is my personal life uh very very busy but happy to Seeing her cool art in like Famitsu, I think, like in Japanese publications as well as North American ones. So that is my personal life. Very, very busy, but happy to be busy because time is speeding by.

My gray hairs are multiplying. I don't like that we're at the end. We're one sixth of the way through 2021. Yes. Very quick. And coming up on a whole year of lockdown. Yep. And I've said it to you.

I've said it to nina but i'm looking forward to hitting that date because i kind of want to be out of days where i could look back and go oh i can't believe i was doing blank a year ago now it'll just be like no my life has only been folding laundry and watching bad streaming shows and that's it there's been there's been no traveling it'll just be like yeah i remember a year ago well now when i think about a year ago from march i think like i bought the mask that i thought i'd only be using for a couple weeks yes and watching tiger king like that's what march was like oh boy it feels weird to wear a mask oh well just a few more weeks of this yeah a few more

weeks i'll be back to normal uh but yes yeah i uh in february uh in addition to a bunch of podcasting and watching ahead we have a fun april fool's one planned for you won't spoil it but i've been watching a lot to get uh ready for that one uh but uh non-podcast related things i watched uh i as society demanded i watched wandavision it's a fine show it's good i i'm sure it is mandalorian and also though i at times i definitely watch it the first thing in the morning because i'm like well i can't use twitter it's my access to twitter i can either use twitter and be likely spoiled or i could watch it at 6 a.m or stay up till midnight and watch it what happened to can we have it at 9 a.m on the east coast west coast that would be nice

people have it at midnight i kind of i mean this is the old way of doing things but when i'm watching these new anime series i kind of like that i have to wait it gives me something to look forward to it gives me something to think about and it's not this looking at a huge list of things that i have to do like oh i have to watch 30 more of these it's like no you watch the next one and we'll show you we'll tell you when the next one's available and could you imagine if we still worked at a bad website where we would be expected to like well yeah you better have watched wandavision at midnight and then at 2 a.m written your story of like the x things i can't believe wandavision revealed this week and then be at work at nine

for a meeting for some reason yeah and you got to be there in person you can't just call in not like those other five people who do anyway one but wandavision's fine especially i'm a marvel fanboy and they have a lot of interesting teases and every episode does have like what i i can't admit almost every episode has a moment like whoa they just did that i can't believe it but yes i also know that uh it is probably a little identical cousins uh also uh like i said i watched all of close enough because of bill oakley's involvement can't wait for the season two to start airing in march that's going to be a lot of fun and also march on hbo max can't wait to watch the godzilla versus king kong that's gonna be all right that's coming right to hbo max maybe the first good movie to be direct to hbo max

yeah well you know that judas uh boy i can't remember the name of it but this that serious looking movie about the black panthers okay that i think is a good movie i just haven't watched it i everything was in the shadow of wonder woman 84 i know well listen to me talk about like well yeah i watched every nerdy show i didn't watch the show about the history of the black panthers and how that felt that very important film i i will watch it but yes i also hbo max added a ton of old dc stuff not just batman beyond but also both justice league and justice league unlimited and a ton of justice league movies so i was enjoying those and also hear me out bob i know it's gonna sound crazy but michael bolton's big sexy valentine's day

spectacular or whatever it's called on netflix it was released like five years ago it's actually good don't promise you don't we know comedy people that worked on that and said michael bolton was funny and fun to work with so that's why i watched it because i thought it was just like have a murray christmas or all of these like comedy specials netflix has that are basically just built around the celebrity like oh kurt russell santa claus blah blah it's when someone gives in and accepts their own irony yeah yeah which is what michael bolton is doing it for the kitsch value but in this case when he did it he wanted to make a special for an upcoming album with the lonely island okay and but then the luliana guys

are like well we can't do the whole thing but we know a guy named scott ockerman and his writers on comedy bang bang the tv show i thought so yes so it really is just the comedy bang bang tv show over an 80 minute special with funny sketches and michael bolton is a funny enough guy so the best one in it and i might just show you that clip by itself is Michael Bolton they do the cheesiest thing in the world where a ridiculous looking like punk rock guy's like hey I don't like your music and Michael Bolton's like oh yeah well what about this one take those old records off the shelf and it super impresses the punk rock guy but it's so funny as he sings the song he he just walks by pictures of guitars and points at them with his thumb like yeah rock and roll it's so funny we were all too hard on michael bolton because moms needed

something to listen to in 1991 and he was there yeah my mom my mom was first in line for those michael bolton cds and also cool folks we know for like the birthday boys appearing in it it was actually good i felt bad i had overlooked it for so long because it just looked like a dumb irony video and so i promise you it's good okay good uh we my husband and i were saving it for valentine's day after we found out it was a comedy bang bang thing and also watched a ton of muppet show on disney plus it's a nice little warm blanket of old things yeah i'm surprised how much they were able to put on there and it was fun because uh when i was a kid watching these on maybe tnt and being like six or seven i didn't realize the humans on the show were famous people they're just like oh there's this human these people know and these muppets know he's going to be on the show singing a song but now i look

through the listings and i was surprised like i know who most of these people are now finally yeah i yeah i know a lot more of them now too and if i don't know them i can at least go to wikipedia now and look up who they are but yeah i know who ben vereen is now and i know who melissa manchester is one of my favorites to re-watch was the paul williams one went from the first season it's and it's also funny it's like watching being able to see them all at once you can see them figure all of their shit out as they go and get better at it. And just hearing all these ancient ass songs. And seriously, they got most of the songs.

Like it's 90 to 95% complete. Only two episodes are missing in full. And then on top of that, only a few others have minor cuts to it. I did like how Disney uh pissed off all the conservatives by putting a little warning before the show before a 50 year old show saying things might be a little different than what you expect which is fine i understand that yeah yeah why just shut up if it takes a 10 second thing we got that on one of them and what was a fun challenge on those would be like okay what was the objectionable thing in this episode?

It's like a scavenger hunt. Yes. And last thing I watched this month, I rewatched all the birthday boys. My husband had never seen it before. And then we're like, let's do the commentaries too. So we've been listening to the commentaries. They're really great. And also I finally, I can't believe I didn't get this when it was first out.

I missed it. But Paranoia Agent is finally on blu-ray in America and I got it I got the steel book one listen to that I have all of my original dvds which are way out of print and way expensive yeah well now I bet the market the bottom is dropped out on those little dvds I'll just throw them out my window uh but yeah I've I've heard the blue the HD up res or it's really good okay cool i love that series finally paranoia agent had been unavailable in the united states for the longest time it's one of satoshi kon's best things and i i mean who knows maybe what a cartoon is in the future for

that as well i think so uh and as for video games not too much for me it was a very mario month for me i got uh the super mario 3d world and bowser's fury bowser's fury really is that good it's so much fun i've heard really good things about it it also will be over in like a minute but i and i played it two player with my husband and it seriously is a shitload of fun like and uh as i hate bowser jr but i liked this gameplay with bowser it was funny uh not funny but kind of sad how uh the covid wrecked nintendo because uh animal crossing was in production before covid and then when covid started or the pandemic lockdown started it's like here's a game that's limitless gameplay and then now uh because of covid they're like here's three hours of new game go yep yeah everything's a

re-release now for every but hey there's lots of games that re-release pikmin uh oh wait they did yeah they uh one and two pikmin one and two yeah they they gave those wii controls uh we uh wii u control versions even i forgot to rebuy pikmin 3 darn it it's pretty it was also lots of fun to go back to that uh and And the clock is ticking. If you haven't gotten first place in Mario 35, they're going to take it away from you real soon. They're sticking the needle in its arm. The call from the governor is not happening.

Not to brag, but I finally got a first place in it. Why take it away? Why make the Mario All-Stars collection unavailable? It's so stupid. I don't understand it but boy it feels pretty good to get first place and then after I got it I was like I can't play this again I have to just be satisfied with that first place otherwise I'll be chasing that high and I'll never play anything else so I am looking forward to next month I know it's been out

everywhere else for a while but once it's on switch i will finally play disco elysium i i bought it on pc because there's a big update coming this spring that adds new content and adds voice acting for every character and so i'm waiting for that i assume that's what the switch version will be too i think so yes yeah and we'll get to hear previous guests of our podcast man yeah virgil texas it's gonna having heard them so much in my life it's gonna be so weird to hear them play characters. You have the Nintendo Direct in here. I got to point that out.

This is not a video game podcast, by the way, so I'm sorry if you don't like video games. This is our video game chat. We allow ourselves. You can skip this, but I thought it was all right.

I am really excited about the surprise curveball announcement of Nintendo bringing over the Famicom Detective Club games for Switch. Yeah. Finally,

a localization like 37 years later of these classic famicom disc system japanese adventure games in the vein of phoenix right and things like that i couldn't believe it i really was and that it's called famicom detective club that this it is totally nintendo recognizing that it would be really hard to mainstream this or over localize it yeah and also the only people who are going to buy this are the people who buy danganronpa and similar or the uh nonari games they're the people who play those so they're already niche enough that they're not going to care that every character speaks japanese yeah and it's a japanese set there's a small

enough market where they can localize it without voice acting and it would make money back but yeah it is uh 34 years after the games first came I think it's something like that yeah like they're like 87 or 88 but uh yeah these games uh this is like the third time they've been re-released so there was uh there was the Famicom disc system and then there was a Super Nintendo or Super Famicom remake of one of them and then they were on Game Boy Advance. And now they're on Switch. So the third re-release, they finally come to America. I'm really excited about that.

Again, self-indulgent conversation. I'm sorry, but I'm just excited about it. Yeah, no, me too. It really shows something about Nintendo's interest in localizing their old stuff. There were similar games like the Jake Hunter games. Those games are also re-releases of NES or Famicom games, but they weren't Nintendo published. Like these were finally coming over to the US,

but Nintendo hadn't indulged them. I think after Hotel Dusk, they decided, ah, they didn't sell enough. We're not doing these again. Yeah, but it's great to see. And maybe I'll do a retronauts or something about the series or those kinds of games in general, because there were a lot of them for the Famicom

and Famicom Desystem that just never came over here because too much to localize. It was a genre that we weren't really playing yet. So yeah. Yeah, no, I would look forward to that. So we're on the Talking Simpsons comments. We have Treehouse of Horror 11 first and Kaiserbeam says that Sheena Easton's sugar walls

is actually that filthy for one the person who wrote it was none other than his royal badness himself prince wow uh the song also found its way on to tipper gore and the pmrc's shit list known as the filthy 15 a list of songs the group considered to be the most objectionable alongside hits like twisted sisters we're not going to take it and the mary jane girls in my house sugar walls was ranked number two in terms of filth it was runner up to the song darling nicky by who else prince yeah he was the horniest of the songwriters back then that uh i didn't realize sugar walls ranked so high on that but i appreciate kaiser beams for for pointing that out that they they the more i hear about it the more they got away

with on that one there was a really good episode of chapo trap house over the summer it might have been a premium episode but they did an entire episode about uh heavy metal and censorship and things like that and tipper gore's entire group yeah um you know what yeah i i don't know why we're not gonna take it is on the list because i looked up the lyrics and the lyrics are just like, we're not gonna take it. No, we're not gonna take it. We've got the right to choose it. There ain't no way we'll lose it. This is our life.

This is our song. It's all just very like platitudinal. It's the vaguest of things. Platitudinous. You know what? I bet those writers on Simpsons when they were making that Sugar Walls joke, they're like, this is really gonna piss off future first lady tipper gore they weren't so happy to go there uh also on treehouse 11 joey jojo shabadoo says i found the day of the dolphin film inspiration several years ago and

was really hoping for something that amazing or at least unintentionally funny it was none of those things it's an incredibly boring movie that was just zero fun and a lot of that weird 70s sci-fi shenanigans going on but i did watch the special features where the directors just laid waste to the movie and talked about how much he hated working on the project that was at least fun i always like those commentaries the rare ones where they're allowed to happen yeah i mean that was that's like the wild west days of dvd commentaries now even if you get a dvd commentary i feel like they have a gun on them like i mean i you know i hope we get more simpsons commentaries in the future for the episodes they haven't done yet but like a disney i don't know you know what no they've recorded those commentaries

they were going to be on the fxx app but uh it never happened so there are there are commentaries recorded for like seasons 20 and 21 and whatnot come on disney i'll i'll give you an extra two dollars a month on disney plus if you let me just hear those sweet commentary separate audio track so we're on to simpsons and delilah and joe hodgson says i see and hear characterization of carl as a magic gay man but i never read him like that. I always thought he was a commentary on ineffective executives who are no more qualified and sometimes even less qualified than their peers working in lower stations. They're only as good as their assistants who have to do more than their fair share of work

to prop some jerk up. Bark gets enough was a perfect way to premiere season two. This episode is a bit more bold. I can remember watching as a kid and being a little bored with it. There was enough going on to keep me stimulated via the need to ask my parents a question with every scene. It felt like, as there was a lot I didn't understand as a six-year-old. And when Bart came into the picture with the beard gag, I can remember a rush of excitement, though I felt almost guilty when Bart's arrival resulted in Homer being reduced to tears.

That scene of Homer dragging his hair through the spilled hair tonic is so good, and it stuck with me. As an adult, I think the episode is fine. The melodrama of the score is a bit much and that ending doesn't really work for me but harvey firestein is terrific it's a shame we have no reason to catch up with carl again because firestein's voice is so distinct i don't know that he could ever play a different character yeah yeah that's i i do like that point definitely it's it's a funny gag where carl is trying to tell homer like you did it all. But the things he listed, like, you gave that towel to your boss. You said tartar sauce.

I think it's clear. Had Homer's entire speech gone well, he then couldn't replicate it because Carl was gone. Yeah. And I think the writers are aware of the joke about how the assistant is doing everything for the executive and how Homer does not belong in his job. I think they're not aware of the joke about how the uh since it is doing everything for the executive and how Homer does not belong in his job yeah I think they're not aware of the magic gay man stereotype they've written into the show and also Homer not being um skilled enough for his job actually means he would keep it longer because that's how everyone else is there but I think I can echo Joe's sentiments in that I think I thought this was a boring episode too when I was

a kid I was excited just to watch a Simpsons but in reruns i would just be like ah it's this one all right fine i'll watch it the way joe described the excitement of seeing bart uh doing the beard gag i was like yeah i i that felt familiar to me i think as a kid too i was like finally bart's in here another this boardroom stuff with groaning board grown-up stuff also on that episode, Kat Hayberg says, I've had to go through agile development training this month. I live on the West Coast and it's on the East Coast time, which means I've been having to get up at 3.45 in the morning. It's been rough. During a five-minute break this morning,

I decide to pop in my earbuds and continue listening to my favorite podcast. I tune in right at the point where Henry and Bob bring up the toyota production system for those lucky enough to not know agile strategy is basically based off of the toyota production system my sleep deprived corporate jargon addled brain briefly wondered if my boss put bob and henry up to this still an enjoyable episode i'm really loving season two revisits you know if you're trying to increase productivity maybe don't train your workers at four in the morning yeah uh well it's

kind of productive to me uh i can see that to me tells you where the power lies that the people in the east coast are like i'm not working through lunch make them come in at six in the morning uh that but yeah it's funny here we were talking about what we thought was this outdated mode of training, and it continues to this day, just under a different name. So up next, we have a tale of two Springfields with a lot of great replies. And Thad Komorowski is the first who says, a neener or another reader would know the specifics, but the basic plot of dividing Springfield into two towns resulting in utter chaos

was in Simpsons Comics 50, which came out before this episode, same same year it was a far better take on the concept and as a kid it sort of woke me up to the fact that Bongo comics were usually better than any of the contemporary episodes at this point I do remember this comic actually I so I read the first year of Bongo comics week to week but then I kind of fell off of it uh honestly is that i think their talent got spread a little too thin but um i do recall in the year 2001 but not when it first came out but within a few months of it i did at the comic shop see oh simpsons comics got to 50 let's see what's going on here and i remember reading that comic and thinking like, well, that's really weird. It's the same story of the split people. And it had similar jokes and everything.

I wonder how that ended up happening. The only joke, I remember two jokes from it. One is that instead of a Who concert, it ends with everybody skinny dipping together in the same water supply. Okay. I'm looking at the wiki article. It's called wall or nothing yes and it feels like the tv writers have a lot of disdain for the comic writers so they i'm sure they weren't paying attention to that story in in the comic when they all go skinny

dipping bart and millhouse are drinking water too and they're like it tastes terrible then bart says yeah it tastes like springfield that was the august 2000 issue unfortunately not in the matsumoto era yet so i'm not going to touch it it's probably filth uh who was the do you have the writer and artist uh the writer and artist I'm not sure if they're named uh no they are not named so uh probably not important uh yeah I also I also remember a joke in there too that still disturbs me to this day to think of where one side of town doesn't have any water and they are bathing in buzz cola and the joke is that is that ralph is bathing in buzz cola and saying this feels bad on ducky and little ducky too meaning that his

penis hurts which i was like i i don't like that joke boy i'm looking at a spread there's a lot of naked characters in this in this children's comic they get in a lot of like they they remind as i'm just seeing it play back in my head but uh it's like a wall where's waldo kind of gag oh yeah nude characters a lot of austin powers style hidden nudity gags uh also on that episode joe hodgson says henry must have caught dave off guard with his comment about the Cardinals winning in 2008 because they did not win the Super Bowl that year and yes I'm including this one this is me talking now I'm including this because yes everybody pointed this out and I appreciate that Dave didn't just pause and go like um actually but yes I'm sorry they were in the

Super Bowl they didn't win it Henry's contrition corner everyone uh but yeah sorry joe continues they made it to the super bowl and lost to the steelers they haven't made it back since and just more clarity on the cardinals they were basically the most irrelevant professional sports franchise in the country in the 90s in the world of football you have teams like the browns and the bangles sorry ohio that are just known for being terrible and mocked for it. Whereas the Cardinals were just so bad they weren't even funny. You could guarantee they would be bad, boring team year in and year out. Since around 2008 they've been better and made the playoffs a few times but have yet to find a sustained run of success. My headcanon for Edna

being on the rich side of town is that she's a poor person who rents an apartment from a rich guy. And that rich guy didn't want real estate in the slums. He probably inherited an old house in the nice part of town and had it converted into apartments. So, all right, sure. You can't think too hard about why each character is on each side of town. And Mike Scully was right. They shouldn't have done slobs versus slobs. Yeah, but they're like, we're at an impasse here. Let's just go for it we're gonna do it and then say it uh but yes i

appreciate all of you football fans who pointed out i was wrong when i said the cardinals won the super bowl uh so up next we have treehouse of horror one and c matt says uh james earl jones film and play the great white hope is a fictionalization of Jack Johnson's life story. The first black heavyweight champion. Ken Burns documentary about Johnson's life is called Unforgivable Blackness and it's well worth watching. Sorry, Jack Johnson's just cool. And yeah, I did not know that. Yes.

Yeah, I have seen that documentary. You know, I wouldn't endorse Ken Burns Vietnam documentary, but he he does a lot of very good documentaries. And the Unforgivable Blackness one is very good. It covered a thing I didn't know either. I mean, could you believe, Bob, 120 years ago that America was not ready for a black world boxing champion? I need evidence of this. And that's what's so interesting about Jack Johnson.

The man is that he, it was called Unforgivable blackness because he was proud to be a champion and acted as such and didn't didn't uh ask forgiveness for being a black man who was the best at a sport but yeah it's a very it's a very very good documentary also on treehouse one that kamarowski again chimed in to say this is why the simpsons audio commentaries need to stop being taken as gospel and you guys reminded me why i never liked them a bunch of assholes who can't draw shitting on those who can but still demand deference and people wonder why there's an anti-writer facet in animation this episode is still quality 30 years later put up whatever toilet creations they were doing on the show now against this and then get back to

us about how a sterile washing machine portal looks like i i think that in terms of the commentaries for me they are canon if it's a writer talking about writing or an animator talking about animating yes uh if it's a writer talking about animating absolutely not i do not trust them uh an animator talking about writing maybe because they're being told what to draw so like but i i'm with that and that i don't like to hear these these these snarky writers they make me madder than a yak and heat when they're when they're trashing animation like oh look how dumb that flanders looks it's just like they've got to draw a billion flanders leave them alone or like especially matt graining like all the pupil size up look at the tears oh that looks awful like

stop it just stop it please yeah i i think graining there there's different levels of harshness there's some writers who are just like they've never drawn and they they view artists as the magic pixies who just make stuff happen yeah there's there's other ones who just kind of like needling the artist like hey that wasn't perfect that wasn't perfect and and then there's some like Grady who he himself is an artist but has very exacting rules on how a thing should look. Even though I think Wes Archer is totally fine with drawing, you know, wavy Homer hair. Like just let him have Homer look different in his episodes. But Thad with his usual biting commentary.

But I think that's true. Like we've learned that the audio commentaries are a starting point conversations on simpsons history not the entirety they're good for follow-up questions and interviews yes yes as we've learned many a time and maybe in the future up next we have comments for what a cartoon the first ones are from our what a cartoon movie about dexter's lab ego trip again that's available at the ten dollar level at patreon.com talking simpsons and tune j723 says uh gendy did more work on two more dexter's labs after this one was at the $10 level at patreon.com slash talking simpsons and tune j723 says uh gendy did more work on two more dexter's labs after this one was the theatrical short chicken scratch released with the powerpuff girls movie which was animated solely by him and is the only dexter thing in

widescreen but cropped on hbo max he also storyboarded the very last extra episode comedy of feathers and there's a reason why the powerpuff girls was the first world premiere tune in 1993 craig pitched the show to fred sybert and they went into negotiations for a green light during the process they came up with the idea for world premiere tunes so they told craig just to make a short instead of going straight to series they focused sets of the short and the audience hated it so that's why it wasn't the first cartoon network original and powerpuff girls almost didn't happen the summer before he came up with the concept john k offered him a job to work on season one of random stimpy but he declined because he wanted to finish college so there you have it good on the crack in for that's what a fork in the road that would i mean he yeah he i'm sure would have done great work on the first season of random

stimpy but then what he'd be either roped into being one of the Spumco guys that stuck with him or one of the games animation pariahs. But either way, it's like this stamp on your career the rest of the time. He would have been abused no matter what by an awful boss. Yeah. So instead of McCracken, he got to make his own show and seemingly be a much better dude. Definitely be a much better dude, I'll say. I watched some clips of that Dexter short from before the Powerpuff Girls movie. It's really cool looking. I've never seen it. I didn didn't see the i still haven't seen the powerpuff girls

film i the reviews were not good for them but i i'd like to give it a chance now actually also on dexter's lab ego trip eve of the stars says having just re-watched the whole series i wanted to make a note there actually was one female border on the show her name is nora johnson and she did three or four episodes including the one where dd becomes a car also the episode with silver spooner barbacore was banned after initial airings and replaced with a rerun of dexter's lab a story the cartoon where dexter gets a labrador retriever luckily barbacore is still pretty easy to find online not sure if it was banned because the stereotype or the drunk crunk and i didn't forget crunk got drunk in that one but i think also i have another

theory to it too it could be that you know on the tick dvds there was one episode that wasn't there and it was the one with the galactus parody oh and i do believe it was i think marvel gets very was getting very litigious with Galactus parodies back then. Before, it was just a fun nerd reference that nobody really knew. Now, it's just like the biggest villain of every movie. But I can't say for sure why Bobricore isn't there. Is it drunkenness? Is it a gay stereotype?

Is it Marvel legal action? We just know that Butch Hartman, I no he's the one to blame you know he's been showing his ass lately oh man he's well he said a lot of dumb stuff lately but now he recently got caught now he's just plagiarizing yeah he's just tracing anime pictures for 200 dollars what a sad man that's sad does he really need the money i don't know up next is digimon adventure uh in april says my partner worked on angela anaconda i asked him about the supposed character image plagiarism and he said all the main character models were hired actors some of the costumes and props were sourced from the

internet and background characters were often people around the office but no lawsuits that he knows of as the commentator above mentioned i also thought of mrs munger's class when bob mentioned the controversy so this is bob talking was mrs munger's class when bob mentioned the controversy so this is bob talking was mrs munger's class the one that had a lawsuit that was the last yeah one of these uh that used photos of people they didn't get clearance for them and maybe that's that was the one that is angela anaconda just out of print due to no demand and no interest in it like no one wants to see it i'm sure your partner did great work on it but uh it's rough. It's hard to watch. I love hearing them shout, Digimon, Digimon. Okay.

So to solve the problem that I set up in that episode, Mrs. Munger's class, that was the one that got lawsuits out of existence. It was a one Saturday morning, 90 second show. Okay. And someone figured out that a lot of the students in the show were taken from a 1975 yearbook of a sixth grade class. And they filed a lawsuit. And yeah, it was settled out of court. But I believe that's the reason why Mrs. Munger's class was taken off the air, because without permission, they just found an old yearbook, used the students inside. And someone of the students found out. I think in my memory, I just thought Mrs. I remember those Mrs. Bunger shorts. I was a one Saturday morning viewer, but I just thought of those as Angela Anaconda thought in my memory.

I did not think of them as a separate show. Oh, boy. I didn't realize this was a part of the show. Listen to this sentence. Edward Jackson, a computer engineer in San Diego, had learned that his likeness was being used after his 10-year-old niece brought the similarity to his attention. Jackson, an African-American, was outraged not only at the use of of his photo but at the buckwheat-like speech pattern of the character whoa so what's going on in mrs munger's class damn man this was 1997 guys that's pretty bad but also on that episode and somebody talking about digimon uh dylan gallagher says i was a

big fan of digimon as a kid during the first two seasons learning about the short turnaround on the localization makes a lot of sense in hindsight i am specifically reminded of an episode where a character finds a note at which point his digimon informs him it's written in digi code even as an 11 year old i was savvy enough to recognize that the digi code shown on screen was just japanese text you know my wife speaks fluent digi code we could talk to any digimon we see i i saw nina had a funny reply about this saying like could you guys stop saying mon so much like it's agumon and uh padorus mon or whatever like yeah i i learned all my mon information left my brain pretty soon after but

but that that special is very good i can't you know it reminded me that musota has a new movie coming out soon called bell which is i think his spin on beauty and the beasts looking forward to that up next we have venture brothers what color is your clean suit and andrew giacetti says i'm really glad you guys albeit briefly mentioned that the show finally acknowledged that hank has adhd it seemed like henry wanted to shy away from it but as someone with adhd ocd at all i want to say how important of a moment it was for me when the show began acknowledging that hank has adhd because i've always known it while watching the show and he has been such an important character to me as someone who struggles with profound dysphoria every day brought up by having to live my life in a way that's completely at odds with how my brain works

and how i view and interact with the world uh and then henry just paraphrased the rest of the comment by saying andrew continues with lots of more that you should really check out for full context so please read andrew's comment because we can only read part of it on the show here yeah it was it was very in-depth and i appreciate that i i i mean yes, I did kind of shy away from it in the episode because they were definitely making jokes about him having ADHD in similar situation, but I was worried that maybe it was like bordered on ableist or insulting to people with it.

But I like hearing Andrew's view on it. That's why I was worried a bit when we did Brother's Little Helper for Talking Simpsons where I had questions about it and I was skeptical about some things, but I didn't want to make it seem as if I was worried a bit when we did Brothers Little Helper for Talking Simpsons, where I had questions about it and I was skeptical about some things, but I didn't want to make it seem as if I was saying ADHD isn't real or things are prescribed. I just wanted, like, I was asking questions. Just asking questions.

Just asking questions. Come on. But I thank you, Andrew. He had a lot of great comments on that. Also on Venture Brothers, Shane Parker Henderson says, Dean's subplots as the Chosen One screams Dune to me, down to the fact that the natives have their own made-up name, like the Freemen, to the made-up name Dean is given once he is chosen.

In Dune, that name is the Kawashi Haderach. Look, I haven't read Dune. And Paul Antratus is Dustin in that story to bring the natives of the planet together and bring about the age of water, I think. I'm typing all this while I deliver mail, so you can Google the rest and decide if I'm wrong. So excited to be that guy for the first time since I started listening to the show a few years ago. Great episode. Love this cartoon.

Love the podcast. Yeah. You know what? I got a new Kindle at the end of the last year and i'm bored and lonely enough that i may read dune you're thinking about it you're finally a lonely enough man to read dune no i i need to read dune to every cool person i like who i think is smarter than me enjoys dune i think i would learn a lot from it and it would probably be one of those things that once i watched it i'd be like oh that's where that reference from that's where it just unlocks all those references I I can't just enjoy media on its own I have to see how it relates to other media and

it unlocks references to enjoy it on every level up next we have our final episode to discuss on this episode tailspin vowel play and kaiser beam says a great episode on one of my favorite disney afternoon shows and as someone who runs in furry circles i can confirm shirtless blue is responsible for a lot of gay furry awakenings and bob is speaking now they knew what they were doing yeah they knew well i bet they got the cover for it of just saying he's no more naked than he appears in all of that jungle book merchandise but with that little boy no less but yes all those other clothes that clothed animals should have really been saying to him like put some fucking clothes on baloo

you just some hippie now i mean there's a bit of a sexual element to the show of course the tailspin and that's the reason why all the characters are barefoot because barefoot is legal in the tailspin universe finally and lastly our final comment, Devin Hoffarth says, If you want an example of how fucked up spelling is in English, in Flemish, it is very common to put H before O when O has to say its own name. Flemish spelling was very popular in England around the 16th, 1700s, but it was such a flash in the pan that only one word in english maintains this rule to this day and that is ghost which coincidentally means ghost is a reflection of a rule no longer

used in english thus making the spelling of ghost a ghost wow try to wrap your brain around that one that's because spelling in english does not reflect pronunciation reflects history which is bullshit it's it's just a bunch of uh new rules or or fads in spelling or just yeah like english is a fucking bad language it's really bad we don't even have the use in our in our spellings like the canadians do because we made it more american we chopped out those used to make our own words and z's say what we wanted to say no these aren't zeds that's crazy z's are sexy they can be whatever yeah we we're crazy like that yeah especially we already took a ridiculous language like english from england and then fucked it up even more with our americanness whenever i hear nina my canadian wife say zed instead of z i have to stop for about my brain shuts down for about

three tenths of a second before it restarts again. Like, oh, Z, Z, okay, gotcha. Once you've lived in Canada long enough, you'll know you've really lived there a long time when you start saying Zed just normally. I'm going to go back to saying Pop, but I will never say Zed. That is my vow to all our listeners. Once, you know, once he's remote,

the only difference you'll be able to tell is that Bob starts slowly getting a Canadian accent in the podcast. Not in Vancouver. We're safe in Vancouver, I swear. But yes, it's been another fun episode of Talk to the Audience, a supersized one, I think. So thanks again for listening. And anything else we need to cover, Henry?

No, just again, don't forget we've got the upcoming schedule of What a Cartoon Shows. And we're going to have the vote for the next movie. So if you are a patron patron be sure to vote on yes or no on shrek for the 20th anniversary and don't forget next month talking of the hill returns yes on march 26th and we're still doing a new episode talking futurama every month so if you're on the patreon that is coming very soon if you're on the free feed it already came it's there buddy it's waiting for you on the patreon uh one of the most disgusting episodes ever parasites lost following another gross out episode yes yeah soon it'll just be a violent episode

after that the march one tale of two santas uh but thanks again for listening we'll see you next month for another episode of talk to the audience and we'll see you then Wow. Infotainment.