Talking Simpsons - Talk to the Audience?!? - February 2023

Episode Date: March 8, 2023

We've reached the end of the month, which means it's once again time for another installment of our community podcast! Join us as we discuss The Simpsons getting renewed for seasons 35 and 36, a new wave of Super7 toys, the long-awaited appearance of Lizzo in this year's season finale, and more. And, as always, we read and respond to your questions and comments from the most recent round of episodes. So listen in as we bring this short month to a merciful end! Support this podcast and get over 100 bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

I heartily endorse this event or product. the alf reboot who is here with me today as always it's henry gilbert and i'm ready to pre-order that radioactive man to get it in two years i know you are and yes this is our community podcast welcome on this podcast we talk about what's happening in the world of the simpsons and in our world and then we also respond to the last month's worth of questions and comments have been posted on the patreon welcome to the end of february a month where we're all getting back to what i like to call normal yeah after a very busy last quarter, speak in business terms, of 2022. Yeah, man. Like the December went then straight into January because we, you know, January we had to hit the ground running to get ready for the big live show.

And then right after the live show, then finally things were starting to feel a little more normal in February. We've already worked ahead to April on some series, so that feels very good. Yeah, yeah. We're definitely ahead, and we got to bask in the warm, glowing, warming glow of our many fans at our live show.

Yes, that was very nice. It was our first live show in three years, and we'll be back, folks. Yes. We loved it. Barring another mass contagion, I think it won't be another three years. I'll be back folks yes we loved it uh barring another mass contagion i think it won't be another three i'll do it even if there is one i don't care anymore well i think this has taught us that like you know what even if there was a new covid that

was just as bad as original covid was with no vaccine i feel like people just aren't gonna do it no the government have to spend money and they're saying we're not doing that again so we'll be in bubbles on stage uh yeah do not approach the bubbles hey we're getting close to that bubble boy episode of simpsons 2 so we'll be prepared for it goody yeah i forgot about that one yeah everybody i just remembered little girl of the big 10 being about like yeah lisa goes to college and pretends to be a gymnast and it's like oh bart's a the bubble boy for the entire episode too i'll have to re-watch the travolta film at least the riff tracks version of it oh oh i should i've never seen that the i believe it's called the boy in the plastic bubble i i remember watching it because it got referenced all the time on tv uh in in comedy when it aired

on the e-network in the aughts or late 90s i did watch it just so for to know what the references are the only scene i remember from it is he meets another bubble boy like their friend their parents hook them up to be like hey you should meet another boy who uh who lives like you and they somehow get in a reference to a winking reference to like oh yeah they both jerk off all of the time because they can do nothing else. I vaguely remember that. And also, he's not really in a bubble. He's just in a room with a big partition. Kind of. Yes. Yeah. No, they. It's not like that movie, but it was a bubble boy. I think the movie just is bubble boy. Is that Tobey Maguire or Jake Gyllenhaal?

The other the other side of it. I didn't know. I just did just did guys i just did a podcast about spider-man for soundtracker i didn't know toby mcguire was such a dick uh to people apparently well was he he was like the vice president of the pussy posse yes yeah he's he's the sloppy seconds to uh oh my god disgusting but no apparently like there was a story jo Joe Manganiello, who plays his bully Flash Thompson in the first movie, that he says that the crew offered him $100 to punch Toby for real during the fight scene they do in the movie. And also apparently he is a huge jerk at poker tournaments, which again, I didn't know any of this. He's a poker guy too. He's a hardcore poker guy. Of course. Of course. which again i didn't know any of this he's a poker guy too he's a hardcore poker guy of course

of course there's there was some jessica chastain movie from a few years ago about poker and michael sarah's in it and his character is supposed to be toby mcguire and he's a total asshole in it it's just their way of doing toby mcguire stories what a way to insult a man michael sarah's going to play you that's true i say that having looked a lot like michael sarah in my early 20s i wonder if they try to get jesse eisenberg and then they're like all right michael sarah he's the cheaper version let's talk about simpsons news now we were all very concerned will the simpsons end well of course not because they were renewed for seasons 35 and 36 right after we did our last talk to the audience and that will surpass 800 episodes by

the end of that run yeah we'd been throwing it out there of like could could the turn be coming now will it be a disney plus original because it definitely wasn't going to stop or is it going to leave fox because the fox executives of the tv broadcasting have been i noted it every time for like the last two years, they've been winking over and over again. Like we're investing in a lot of new shows. You know, there could be a time where we don't have Simpsons where we're preparing for

that future. But when the time came of like, uh, you know, stay or go on Simpsons, they're like, all right, another two years.

Let's, let's sign up. So it's still going to be airing on Fox no matter what. Yes. Yeah. It is a, in, in the U S it is still going to be a Fox TV Fox no matter what. Yes. Yeah. It is. In the U.S., it is still going to be a Fox TV show.

Oh, go ahead. Sorry. Oh, and I think it'll be the same situation, too, of like the current season on Hulu, all the rest on Disney Plus in the U.S. And in other news related to this, other Fox shows. So Family Guy picked up for seasons 22 and 23. Bob's Burgers has been extended through seasons 14 and 15 uh i have so much catching up to do on bob's burgers family guy i think at this point i have not seen oh perhaps 14 or 15 years of it i only watched a new episode of family guy

recently because an upcoming guest did a video about a recent episode of family guy that made me want to watch it the episode itself is not that great to be honest it like most family guy i was like me but it was a funny episode just about how peter uh is told to stop referencing 80s movies because they are creepy and inappropriate by today's standards, like most John Hughes movies, honestly, is the point of it. Yes. Hard to revisit some of those. It was a different time, people. Yeah.

I did want to check in on American Dad, though, because I'm always thinking in the back of my mind, like, what's American Dad doing? And this is old news, but it got renewed for seasons 20 and 21 in December of 2021. Season 20 is premiering this year. Season 20 of American Dad. I still can't believe it. It's a show that I always forget is secretly very good. And on Gayest

Episode Ever, they recently covered an episode and Drew Mackey talked about how he recently watched the entire series. And I think one of these days I need to get around to watching it because I think I dropped off in like season five. So there's like 16 episodes of television I need to watch i was really you know i was so underwhelmed by that family guy episode that then i was like oh let's check in on american dad i got hula whooping and yeah i easily watched three newish episodes of american dad and just like liked it it's it is such it also is one of the easiest watches of like any show for me it's just so background noisy but uh i mean i

mean in a good way but uh but yes i mean aljean is still going to be in charge of the simpsons and the way he was talking about it he's still obviously why is he gonna leave yeah yeah where's he going uh and yeah by the end of season 36 they will be over 800. So that makes me wonder, do you just do up to season 40 and pass 1,000? Like, do you do that? As long as everyone is alive, I don't see why not. But with current advances in AI voice technology, I don't think it matters anymore. I know. Oh, man, this AI thing.

It feels like these deep fakes are improving by leaps and bounds. And the only thing you can do is laugh because it will destroy all of our lives so don't even think about the damage it will do just watch those videos of all the presidents arguing on destiny 2 voice chat those are fun to watch and also watch Biden in Skyrim videos those are fun too

I'll have two honey ales please one for me and one for the lady if you didn't call for that coming right up how you doing fucking drogger looking son of a bitch nancy nancy bellosi nancy it's so great to finally see someone i know here i'm sorry sir do i know you nancy it's me joe look i don't know any time for your jokes right now nancy we need to find a way back to the white house i don't know how i'm gonna do it but i'm gonna find a way back and when i do i'll come

pick you up do honey i listen i gotta get my price down nancy but uh could see in you i'll be back for you or uh joe rogan fake things of him saying like dumb shit yeah the genie's out of the bottle just find the good comedy that's being produced from this horrible technology because soon we'll all be saying slurs uh on deep fakes we'll all be canceled it'll be over but maybe we can secretly do podcasts without anyone knowing that we're not actually doing them oh we can hide behind the deep fake ourselves i could say uh generate me an episode about uh let's say uh large marge that episode uh yeah i don't want to talk about that no no uh yeah i uh i was just seeing too there was

some prominent sci-fi uh fantasy publication that just said for for right now they are closing their submissions not because the fake ai text things make good submissions that they don't want to you know accidentally publish a an ai generated story but because so many ai generated stories just get dumped in their inbox that they literally can't parse through all of them to find real people that's very dark and i also thought that as a former teacher uh there was always the fear that oh a student could download a paper off the internet so there was a software where you could like upload it to check to see if it was a posted paper or not and even then it was hard to find but now i think the ai software is good enough to make like an entrance college writing course paper. So I don't know what any teacher is going to do now.

Yeah. How do you, how do you tell from like, well, is this poorly written by a computer or is this just like a C student writing an essay? Yes. So, uh, yeah. Terrifying world. But you know what? The podcast still good.

Yeah. Still. That's, uh, essays like this or, uh, this replaces the essay. Every kid should just have to do a podcast in their class i mean you're not going to make money writing essays out there in the real world who pays for writing anymore yeah it's closed off to only only like people over 40 at uh at new york times or actually 50 or if your parents were famous authors then you're allowed to write a book oh sure sure yes uh so the only new episode

before we recorded this was the many saints of springfield which was uh seemingly their annual fat tony episode have there really been annual ones it pretty much is the replacement for sideshow bob episodes like i was like wait yeah there's always and honestly it's a bit indulgent they often they're even treating it like kelsey grammar where they get joe montana to sing like he always sings in every one of these and i definitely think it is because it is a uh a fascination of al jean like he wrote this episode he is the sole credited writer on it so i think it is one of his uh bugaboos to to do a Tony episode every season. Interesting. And we did watch the Robot Chicken animated opening together. It was very cute.

Homer gets sucked into the couch dimension, becomes a Yarny-style creature, and there's the appearance of Paul Fusco, the voice of Alf, as Alf on a TV guide cover. It's funny to hear him say, like, I was canceled at exactly the right time. Like, yeah. And, you know, I also like the joke in it that homer that homer has a mickey mannell rookie card which would obviously make him a child of the 50s

and then he sees a rubik's cube he's like oh for my childhood it's it's a good joke about the sliding timeline yeah i was wondering if they were messing with us or if they made a mistake but i think it's the former and well also that episode has a joke about how people don't remember old episodes because ned's like i remember when i taught bart and marge is like no i don't remember that at all and he's like well it happened but then they then they repeat a joke like almost verbatim with the superintendent chalmers firing flanders for praying in school yes from the pta disbands right yeah a classic bit i will say probably because al jean wasn't it was one of the two years he wasn't there on the simpsons so he missed that joke but i say you gotta check

frankiak you know oh wait it was sweet seymour skinner's bad oh that's right that's right they have similar kind of stories in both episodes though yeah in both ned becomes the principal yeah yeah but no uh well actually he was yeah he's a teacher in the other one but yes uh but yeah it's like ned ned has the leftorium saved by fat tony and it's you know guess what it that tony uh starts leaning on him it's it also if you saw the many saints of newark the uh the sopranos prequel movie which honestly is like technically not good but i did like it uh this has only title uh influence on it it does not really follow the plot of that movie okay so uh yes if you're into that there's new fat tony episode and also uh this is going live the night we're recording this, so it's not live yet for us.

But there will be a Carl Carlson-specific episode about black history with an appearance by Henry Louis Gates Jr. So we're going to be exploring the backstory of Carl now. It's interesting. They never really have done a thing about it. I mean, aside from occasional jokes, like in the movie where Lenny says, Black, that's the worst color there is. No offense, Carl. Or Letty White, Carl Black.

Often they do not actually do much with Carl being the most prominent black character in the series. He's defined by being Lenny's friend, and Lenny is defined by being Carl's friend and vice. Yeah, they're really just a not but also maybe gay couple like that's that's mainly what they're about but now i think that they have a black actor playing carl i think they're ready to engage more with that so uh yeah i mean getting henry lewis gates jr in there like that is a one of the most like famous uh current black

american historians there is so i'll be i'll be interested to see what they do with that should be interesting and you mentioned it up front henry but there are new toys coming super seven so get ready for them to show up in three years missing pieces hey my poochie was complete i did see our our pal maddie got her poochie in the mail and i think it had two left hands or something something something was wrong with it but these new toys uh they're gonna be king size homer devil flanders uh dredrick tatum and radioactive man so the how much are these are these like 40 bucks each uh at least 50 oh at least 50 actually Oh, at least 50. Actually, I think with shipping, my Poochie was 70. Oh, my Lord.

Yeah. So that's why I only bought one of them. But, I mean, you get so many accessories. You see those Troy McClure toys my husband got me for Valentine's Day. Since those are very small and not particularly fancy, they're meant to be smaller scale toys. They're like in the 10 to 20 dollar range are those super seven as well they are okay yeah they're much smaller than the other toys and uh but i can't take it out of the box because the graphics the the graphics on the box uh i have seen people point out that this is their you know fourth wave of uh these this type of toy and they have yet to do a female character

which i don't know what about uh edna or marge like uh cop marge that'd be fun right yeah there's some variant of marge right yeah but uh but king size homer and devil flanders they look great director tatum too but if i'm gonna pick one it's uh and i am picking one it's gonna be radioactive man because i love that silly comic book character and he comes to the american flag and the copies of his comic it's uh it's great i'm going i'm going to assume there was a radioactive man figure back in the playmates days right oh for sure there was i think there were multiple ones like there there was him comic book accurate and then i think there was also the 60s movie version of him and the uh the rainier wolf castle version of him too so yeah okay uh but this one comes with

an american flag nice and you can burn it legally uh that's a preview of our futurama for this coming uh month oh yeah that's a goodie all about flag burning and finally not a lot of news this month but uh the season finale of the simpsons has been uh teased and uh lizzo is going to be showing up as a happy little elf doll and what i assume will be a very small role in this episode called homer's adventures through the windshield glass or something like that yeah so uh based on the description in the article lizzo is in it playing herself and then also uh in a vision homer has she plays a happy little elf doll so i believe from the description it sounds like that homer has kind of a jacob'sder type dream scenario where he then sees things in Lisa's room talking. And so they finally actually have use for the happy little elf that still appears in the background for 34 seasons. Yeah, it's always just in her bookcase sitting there.

Right there next to that sometimes brown itchy there. Yes, the brown itchy. And I know you could tell this is a Simpsons episode because the name of the episode is referencing a book from the 19th century that no one has been assigned to read since like 1962 in school. Right. Yeah, no, it's pretty, that

makes me think it's an Al Jean one, or maybe Al Jean. I think Al Jean runs the naming department. I think you're right, yeah. It's like no reference can, let's see, younger than 30 years, right? Well, I guess technically that Many Saints of Springfield is referencing a recent movie. But then again, it's like a Sopranos movie. So that takes some of the recency out of it. It's like 25-year-old IP.

But Lizzo is very excited to be in it you know she has the second she announced it she's like oh yeah i've wanted to be in the simpsons my entire life and now now she's finally getting it let's move on to our news so we're back to our regular schedule for what a cartoon thank you for bearing with the slight delay on february's episode it was definitely worth it uh for march though we'll be covering Invader Zim finally. And this is a Patreon pick, correct? Yes, it's from premium subscriber ToonJay. And it was long overdue for us to cover Invader Zim, one of the most influential cartoons of its time, really. I was a bit terrified to go back to this era of my life and entertainment.

But it was a lot of fun and, and yeah very influential in both good and very bad ways but a fine show yeah i was glad to see it not to spoil what we actually haven't recorded yet we're about to but uh it was uh better than i remembered i i was remembering all of the bad copy cats of it that made me think zim was worse than it was. Me too. And so yes, did we name the episodes yet? Oh, sorry, yeah, no, it's Bad Bad Rubber Piggy and Hamster Geddon. Yes, and they're both on Paramount Plus, and you will have to watch an ad even if you pay for it, so get ready

for that. Don't like that. So, for $5 and up patrons, we have, of course, our monthly miniseries. So, with Talking Futurama, we're covering A Taste of Freedom, an episode that was written before 9-11, but came out after 9-11 about freedom of speech. So a little sticky territory there for Futurama, but it's a fine episode. Oh, yeah, and it's got the return of Waterfall Senior.

Old Man Waterfall. Yeah, that's right. I'll never remember that. and also coming up this month, Talking in the Hill will be covering The Final Shinsault, which is kind of the second of the Pregnant Paws Final Shinsault two-parter. It's a very loose two-parter, but it is a two-parter. Yeah, it's a not-so-secret two-parter, but yeah, and with a lot of Vegas talk in the third act, too. And our movie for March is going to be Chicken Run because it's not an anniversary or anything, but Chicken Run Dawn of the Nugget premieres in November on Netflix. And we want to get ahead of that by talking about this very, very great movie.

I chose it because I love Mel Gibson, not for his acting, but for his beliefs. You know, you found out he was an actor later. It's like, oh, well, I can look up all these movies now uh yeah no it's uh it's an unfortunate thing about chicken run that it the thing that made it a big deal and and certainly probably pleased jeffrey katzenberg at the time that they cast a very famous guy in the lead voice role who he cast in pocahontas right right oh man he must have hey wait a minute mel gibson why is he so friendly with jeffrey katzenberg that's against his brand it really is yeah but uh but seriously folks it's

it it was a really great movie i i saw it in theaters loved it haven't watched it in a while but uh looking forward to seeing uh seeing it again and yeah now i forgot that netflix was the the company that has invested big in Aardman, too. Yeah, that's right. But it takes a very long time. So I think it's like 2023 is a chicken run movie. 2024, possibly new Wallace and Gromit movie. Right, right.

That's still coming. And a special programming note, there will be a new Blabin' About Batman, the animated series, on March 23rd. We plan on launching quarterly episodes of that instead of having a big mini series at the end of the year so there'll be one in march one in may one in july and one in october so look forward to uh four new episodes of that mini series sprinkled throughout the year instead of cram at the end of the year yeah we uh it's in those fifth week kind of months where the you know we, we last year when we had a Monday, sometimes there was a Monday with nothing new on the Patreon. This time now, instead of having a bunch of Batman at the end of the year, Batman will fly in to save the day on those Mondays.

Except this one is launching on Friday because we missed the Monday in January because we were very busy. Yeah, but after that, we're back on schedule. Please don don't be mad but yes uh lots of fun new episodes we already chose them I've already looked into them it's going to be a lot of fun all throughout 2023 let's move on to what we've been playing and watching not related to podcasting so actually not a lot for me uh so I've been playing Fallout New Vegas since late December and I'm still playing it although I did start and finish Majora's Mask the 3DS port for an upcoming episode of retronaut so that was a lot of fun one of my favorite games of all time i finally found time to replay it so very happy about that i gotta play the 3ds one again i started up for this but then that switch uh port well not port but just

the the switch online emulation of it is really good but uh yeah it's yeah it's also funny seeing you i saw you say this on twitter too of just like that there's all these new games be like you know fall out new vegas i gotta do all the side stuff yes i'm so i'm playing games from 2010 and i guess 2000 respectively although i guess the 3ds remake was 2015 but still that's that's eight years ago you know with uh nina's online enthusiasm for disco elysium it makes me finally like i really should be playing that game i i am gonna play it i've always wanted to and i promised her i would play it but i have to play a few uh smaller games after i finished new vegas it's it's a pretty big game that disco elysium uh it's like 30 or so hours but it's meant to be replayed so it's but it's not a short game i

don't consider 30 hours a short game i guess some people out there would i mean compared to tears of the kingdom coming up i'm sure it's pretty sure i gotta clear my schedule for that so yeah not a lot of gaming in terms of watching i've been slowly plucking away at dragon ball again i've returned to it i got through the the ten shinhan you know, the guy with the third eye. Kind of useless, but he's a big character in original Dragon Ball anime. And, yeah, so I got through that fighting tournament arc. And, honestly, I don't know what happens in Dragon Ball because I never watched it. I watched a little bit of the original Dragon Ball. I watched the first two sagas of DBZ, and I don't know anything else.

So when the tournament ends,'m like oh what's next immediately Krillin is murdered it's crazy yeah I wonder I was gonna ask you like is that crazy I like I'm surprised by all of these and these are like 37 year old episodes of television but I'm like oh my god Krillin is dead and then it's

Piccolo arrives not the one you're thinking of it's actually his daddy and it's starting off a whole new saga where the stakes are much much higher it feels like they're figuring out what dragon ball should be or uh toriyama's but i know his editor had a big influence on that yeah the original king piccolo story is crazy it's crazy and and yeah you're right the original editor his editor has so much control over it like They really are like co-writer in some sense of the comics. But yeah, I never watched. I've watched some, like a handful of episode episodes of original Dragon Ball.

But I experienced Dragon Ball as a comic. And I've read through the entire original run of dragon ball and dragon ball z i know it's all dragon ball it is comic i read through that like twice and i did the uh i did like five years ago i did it again and man yeah the first it just flies the the original like pre-z stuff it just flies right by i'm really enjoying this arc i'm in right now and it's also very funny how much they're just handling krillin's corpse in the cartoon where it's like uh they his corpse is still hanging around and bulma has to build a like a cryo chamber and they they lay his corpse inside he's still wearing his little suit it's very morbid and hilarious in that

way it was also funny to watch it backwards because you know dragon ball z was the first thing that americans got really and so in the show early in the show they have to say something like well krillin if you die in this fight we can't wish you back to life because you can't do a wish twice so if you die once we can wish you back second time total death and so there they i was like wait when did he die before and then when i finally read the comics like there's where krillin died yeah i had no idea also funny uh i'm at the part of the story where goku meets yajirobe for the first time they're on equal footing it's crazy i had no i like again these are all surprises to me i know it's an old show but i'm having a lot of fun i'm used to yajirobe being a total joke guy but here he is like equal in

strength to to to a child goku here i also i loved every tournament arc the three tournament arcs like they are such a great way to gauge uh goku's growing strength over the series it's it's really cool you know a dragon ball good series check it out if you haven't heard of it yeah uh and i also watched all of agretsuko season five uh slowly over the course of a week with my wife uh and i thought it makes some interesting choices i don't know if you saw it henry i'm three episodes okay i haven't finished it uh not i won't spoil anything it takes a turn towards the back half which makes me think they had a two season plan for the show uh what happens in the back half you will not expect i don't know if i liked it at first but i think i am liking it more in retrospect i

won't say what it is but this episode uh this season is more about haida actually and i think you see a gretzko in the office maybe twice you know I did that was my feeling in the first few episodes that I was like oh this is the Haida show now I can see why people it's not I mean a Gretzko is still in those first three episodes a Gretzko was still featured but I can see why some people turned on the show a little bit because they're like Haida's really taking this thing over and uh i i do love uh the first scene i'll just say like in the first scene of the whole season where they're hearing uh haida complain about his being like jobless and everything and then he's like you know do you

really even have to work and i just i love how fenico just starts laughing like yeah i've spoken like a guy with rich parents who doesn't have to pay his fucking rent because he lives in his parents apartment they they do explore that and they do sort of like break down and rebuild his character and i like it more than season four and when it got to the end i thought i'm gonna miss these characters so i think that's a sign of a good finale when you kind of want more i also feared it was going to be anti-gamer the whole season but it's kind of it's kind of gamer agnostic i think it's it's more about looking at the social causes of why people are gaming addicts it's because there's no hope yeah that's true yeah and it's also the it definitely i think rightly takes aim at like loot boxes and the grind of that of just like well

i want to feel that little uh i can just spend like 300 i'll scratch that itch again they did do that with the vr boyfriend game in the earlier season oh yeah she goes into debt by buying like different costumes and stuff for the vr boyfriend i mean that's a problem in japan too uh just as much america of like people becoming the whales of that stuff but i'm interested to see what this second half uh turn is yeah you won't see it coming but uh i i kind of like it so yes i watched that in terms of movies i guess my pick of the month was black klansman uh and it is kind of my favorite two things in one. It's like a procedural, like a crime story, and also a leftist movie. And, you know, it also is about, hey, what if a cop was good? So some people might, you know, discredit it for that.

I understand. Because Spike Lee, I think he has warmed up to cops a little in his old age. Well, I mean, he also did like crypto commercials like yeah he can't uh when i think of spike lee's politics i think of this scene in malcolm x uh which is a wonderful movie i think it's my favorite i i haven't seen every spike lee movie but it's i've seen about 10 of them and i think it's my favorite but there's a scene in the about the middle of the movie where malcolm uh meets one of his old uh friends from his you know criminal life played by spike lee and when malcolm x is explaining his new political beliefs uh spike lee's character goes like you know i can

only go with you so far man i don't don't really understand all this stuff. To me, it felt like Spike Lee backing away from fully endorsing the politics of Malcolm X. His family, you know, I wish them luck. They're suing the FBI and other criminal agencies because they almost certainly plotted to... They're involved in the killing of him like there's no two ways about it i think you will enjoy this movie though henry if you watch it i got i i will watch it it was it was a best picture contender i think no i got behind on watching all the best pictures uh you know and i i just don't even try anymore but i i will watch this one i'm gonna now with the bob seal approval and also that it's a procedural.

I like procedurals, even though they're copaganda. I mean, they are. But in this case, the cops did something good and it's based on a true story. So it all really happened. And this is not a spoiler, but the end of the movie shows footage of the Unite the Right rally from 2017 uh and i was like boy things have gotten so much worse since then uh because it was you know the car hitting people and things like that you'll see some graphic stuff and it was meant to say like well here's what's happening now and that was in 2018 sorry oh no no sorry uh yeah spike lee always uh that's some of the most like brutal stuff in his movies and also some people i think fear of date sick dates it, but I think it works very powerfully.

Malcolm X begins with showing the footage of the Rodney King beating. It was his way of saying, in 1992, we are still living in the world Malcolm X is talking about. This is not dated at all and uh then i also remember bamboozled ends with like a ton of footage of minstrel players in real movies of just them so including he i believe warner released the movie and he got permission to show a clip of bugs bunny uh in his minstrel scene at the end of the the mountie cartoon that they did yeah i mean the movie is about the humiliation of David Duke and the infiltration of the KKK, but at the end of the movie they show live real footage

of David Duke being a respected person on the scene of this rally. And also, in this movie, the KKK people, they sit down and watch Birth of a Nation and they're howling over how funny they think it is. And I thought, boy, I forgot how just ranted this birth of a nation movie is why did my intro to film teacher have us watch this i you know my in uh in college my film teacher said here i'll lend people a copy of it i burned if you really want to see like the film history but this is an obscenely racist awful film i guess he gave us a disclaimer but he

screened the entire movie in class wow it's just like can we just skip to the next movie they did all this you know impressive filmmaking techniques not the one about like the kkk saving america uh yeah that has multiple people in blackface yeah yeah man you could cancel that guy now that teacher get him fired oh i think he's retired he was like in his 60s 20 years ago i would assume he's dead yeah yeah well i mean if you got tenure you're teaching until you're dead you're like a senator basically uh and i also last night i still have to think about my uh thoughts on this movie still got to sleep on them but i watched the last black man in san francisco last night uh and it is a very uh this is i don't know how this sounds if i describe the movie like this it's a very director's first movie movie in which the director is like I'm gonna try every shot I'm gonna use every music

cue I've ever wanted to use so in that sense it's over the top but it's a very sincere story about like poverty in San Francisco and how people are being pushed out of the city oh that you know now that we're both about to leave this area, it feels less painful to watch it now. Yes. And I did feel a bit attacked in a good way because at the end of the movie, this is not a spoiler, the one character who's been through a lot, who has been displaced, is on a bus, and he sees two white people complaining about, oh, we had to fucking move to San Francisco.

This city sucks. And it's just like, well, Henry and I are kind of like that. We moved to the Bay Area, mean much worse people came after us but uh the character says uh you don't get to hate it unless you loved it so i was like you know i never loved it so i i loved it at one point i like the east bay i never liked san francisco you know when i first moved here for the gay stuff uh castro really impressed me in like 2006 i was like wow look at that but yeah no i've been meaning to watch that that's another on my list uh it came back into my memory uh as a thing to watch because people were talking about it because jonathan majors is like one of the stars in the movie right the uh who's he's he's having a real

moment right now i think so i think it was one of his first like the movie right the uh who's he's he's having a real moment right now i think so i think it was one of his first like big roles jonathan majors uh in that movie but he's yeah i mean he's in yes he is he is he's he's now kang the conqueror well now he's in a real movie so uh well actually the real real movie i'm waiting to see him in his creed this coming month i can't wait to see that but creed 3 i should say i mean it's interesting because this director is telling the story of his friend and the friend is playing himself and and i thought like well what a boon for this for this guy to be able to make this movie out of his friend but it turns out he's a nepo baby so that friend is very lucky he met a rich person when he was in high school because this guy, this director, I'm like, who is he?

He's like, oh, his dad is the founder of Salon, the website. And his grandfather was the founder of the Screen Actors Guild. Oh, so a double dad. But he's using his Netbo powers for good. He said, hey, poor friend, I will make a story about your life. And also, you know, I'll depict you in it and you'll be playing yourself. And so he gets the payday, too. All right.

Well, yeah, that look, you can't help being born an Epo baby, but you better be a class traitor if you're going to be one. He definitely was. So that's filmmaker Joe Talbot. I'm looking forward to see what he makes next. But it reminded me of like every director's first movie and that it's a bit over the top in terms of their style because it's like i can finally do everything i wanted to and then they kind of rein it in and define their style over time why and they might think they never get another chance so they don't want to yeah yeah it's it's interesting that that's one of my favorite things in blank check where they talk about somebody's first movie like that they're

like oh yeah they're they're learning a lot and then uh i've been really enjoying their danny boyle one they've been doing this uh this last few weeks here i have too and i haven't really seen any of his movies it's been a long time since i've seen i've watched about half his movies but it's been a long time since i've seen any and i finally saw edge of tomorrow uh the time loop sci-fi movie have you seen this no i have not this is three in a row that i have seen and Henry has not. Now, let me say it. I'm surprised you haven't seen this, Henry. I know. I'm surprised you haven't seen that one.

Or that one. No, I mean, it was the big movie everybody's talking about, but it was, I will say for about a decade, I was a little obstinate of like, everybody's telling me to watch this. No, thank you. I'm not seeing it. At the same time, I'm also listening to last podcast on the laughs new series about david miskovich who is the leader

of scientology and i'm also thinking we shouldn't be so nice to tom cruise no no i think it's we were there's a second we were like we were too mean to him but then listening to all the scientology stuff i'm gonna i'm like hmm he's kind of a villain he is he has like it sounds like he kind of has I don't want to use the word slaves but he he has a lot of people who can't quit working for him uh well boy he could do his own stunts right isn't it amazing yeah and yeah and all well I wonder how fake there was a new picture of him out today at some party last night and it is uh an unflattering picture of uh tom cruise so he looks like an actual 62 year old man or whatever it looks like a 43 year old man uh which for tom

cruise is very old looking uh but he's i believe he's uh the man in the photo with him people think it's like an aging seth green but it's not it's jerry brookheimer it's what jerry brookheimer looks like now yeah so yes I also recommend that new less podcast on the left series about David Miscavige very good so I want to do book corner again because we did book corner back in January since the last episode of this

I've read seven books my brain is bulging under my skull I'm so smart now it's a lot of books a lot of them are kind of short none of them are comic books though so a few I want to recommend so Matt Alt was a former guest on retronauts he's still a guest we didn't like burn bridges with him or whatever uh he released a book i believe in 2020 called how japan's pop culture conquered the world it's called pure invention very very good book it looks at eight different

creations the context in which they were invented within japan and following how they could possibly catch on worldwide because all of these things were invented within specific economic cultural and historical context for japanese people but some for some reason everyone else adapted to them for their own uh ways that's interesting i i want to check that out some of my favorite things uh when doing research when we do japanese uh animation is seeing like oh well this is you don't know this is an american but this is referencing a big movement culturally that was happening you know in the 70s or 80s or 90s you know it really is the transformation of japan from like a a beat-up joke to an economic powerhouse because the thesis of the book

is basically that joke in Back to the Future 3 where they go to the cave and Doc Brown sees that the parts are made in Japan. He's like, well, no wonder it's broken. And Marty says, Doc, all the cool stuff comes from Japan. So a guy in the 50s thinks Japan, all the chintzy-est, cheapest crap comes from there. A guy in the 80s thinks, no, high-tech. this book answers that oh that's cool i need to check that out

yeah and awesome also dipping back into kurt vonnegut i've kind of been away from him for a decade and i was looking into my goodreads reviews and i was like why did i stop reading kurt vonnegut it's because i was reading all of his later books that were way too depressing because the spark of hope that he that kind of carries you through his books is gone by the end of his life uh which makes things like timequake and hocus pocus and galapagos just kind of dreary boring reads well not boring but they just kind of leave you with a gross feeling afterwards and i prefer the more uh cynical yet hopeful stuff of the 60s and 70s that he wrote when he saw a future for humanity yes it wasn't like fully let down by it uh and boy uh i mean if he was alive today he'd be 101 but boy

he really wouldn't want to be alive today i mean he'd quit writing uh 10 years ago anyway yeah but i did read god bless you mr rosewater and it's also impossible to describe what any kurt vonnegut book is about but it's a very good exploration of unearned wealth and what it does to people. And it's funny because Chapo Trap House just did a reading series about that Koch, sorry, Koch, the Koch child from the Koch family who's like, I'm not an ordinary rich person. I'm trying to be cool and I'm innovating and blah, blah, blah. This book is a very similar thing. And like, what does, how does wealth make you go insane? And what can you do with it to make the world a better place?

And it looks at different angles of that. And also in a very prescient way, how automation is going to make all of us worthless. And the underlying question is, what do you do with a person who has no worth? Like, do you kill them? Because we're all staring down the barrel of a future in which every job is automated well i mean capitalism as it's built can't you have to work to live like you

have to earn money to live like just because things can be automated doesn't mean that you then also get a free ride like just because they can automate you know all these uh tasks doesn't mean that that then gives everybody a free job like no it just makes people unemployed but it's something that's uh you might not want to think about but i do enjoy uh his experimentation with that idea it's an it's a 60 year old book but it's not dated in any way so i really enjoy uh god bless you mr rosewater it It is a brief 180-page read. Oh, that's great. I always love, like, that was when I was a teen, that's when I did my most Vonnegut reading, and I was like, my first book was Cat's Cradle,

because I was like, oh, this just flies by. It barely even feels like the 100-something pages it is. It's a real quick read. It's really good. I love Cat's Cradle. But yes, check that out. Also, and speaking of books, I have a big personal announcement coming on the 28th i can't say it here because this is going live on the 28th the morning so i'm not sure if the announcement will be live yet

but check this space or my space or another space because i will have a big announcement about a a book project that i'm announcing so check that out and please support it i'm very excited for bob in this it's i know it's something he has been working toward for a good while and i'm so happy that it's finally finally coming together over five years of work uh you know i'm sure the pandemic slowed it down a little bit it really did it really did it'd be out by now uh but yeah i can't i can't wait for that news. But to finally hit everybody, I know what it is, guys. But okay, well, so as for me, this last month playing mainly Fire Emblem Engage, the new Fire Emblem game. Why are you saying it like it's the handheld system?

Why I was actually unintentionally doing the patrick stewart engage yes yeah but it's uh it's a fun return to the basics of fire emblem i mean it's got a hub city you do have social link style stuff but it's not as a dating sim as before and it kind of gets back back to basics also a ton of like basically ghosts of previous fire emblem games are all in this so if you're a longtime fire emblem freak like me it's full of references it though honestly the characters in fire emblem are so easily forgettable that i did have to wait like google like wait what this guy doing this game i mean they're they're inoffensive but they're basically one of five archetypes.

Yeah, but hey, Bob, I bet you this guy, this main character, man or woman that you choose that has amnesia, I bet this one's going to surprise you with this story. Yeah, I have seen people taken aback by this because it's not as socially focused, if you want to call it that, as the other ones, and that it's not as social socially focused if you want to call it that as the other ones and that's not as much about relationships it's about the actual battles which is what the series was relying on up until awakening really yeah which awakening did save the series yeah like it was uh in the like developer interviews they were very clear of if awakening didn't succeed it was the last fire emblem game like but because they added you know kissy scenes and and being able to date a thousand year old dragon children but it uh but

it got a little too spicy for america i think maybe that's or also honestly i think they got tired of being asked to put a gay option in there and they're like you know let's just nobody's dating yeah no one dates but but hey the the combat gameplay is pure fun as it always was and and yes i do play on classic and restart from the save if a character dies that's i like to play that means you're going to heaven you know awakening is a decade old now it just turned 10 years old that was the game everyone was playing when one up shut down 10 years ago that's crazy yeah i don't like the 2013 is 10 years ago well when i was playing majora's mask on my 3ds i was looking at all of my software on there and i thought boy i have awakening in all the fates games uh and i haven't played a lick of any of

them so one day in the future that's like 200 hours of my life yeah i think uh yeah i i literally played 120 hours of fates to do all three scenarios in the proper order i was told to by things like well if you want to do it in the right order it's this one it's still too complicated i had to look at guides to make sure i was buying the right things uh but this was a real nintendo month because there was a nintendo direct which announced a ton of things uh So I did get the Metroid Prime Remaster. I played the opening hour of it, and I was like, yeah, this looks really great. And also there's two stick controls finally in it, which, you know, look, I get the, hey, you hit lock on, it looks at the thing.

That works, you know, but uh i i was seeing people defending it our pal kat bailey she was taking strays from me because we all did that podcast of like your controversial gaming opinion or retro game opinion for retronauts and the picture has metroid in it has samus in it uh and so he called her metroid and so uh when when cat quote tweeted it just uh to promote the episode people thought she was the one who said she doesn't like metroid in it and so like arthur geese and patrick klepek were in replies of like met you know arthur geese going like you know metroid prime's not good at all and patrick klepek's like metroid prime's great and so i was like man cat you're taking you're taking the shrapnel from my

opinions in this. It was a real discourse creator I'm very interested in this it will never drop in price so I'll eventually have to pay $40 for it but yeah I'm very impressed by the amount of work they did on this remaster there's a great Digital Foundry video comparing the different versions of this game and I really wish Nintendo

would put the same effort into releasing Mario games or zelda games instead of just giving them to some porthouse and then they basically just make it run in a higher resolution and shove it onto a new platform yeah i wish they took it as seriously i think it is that the the developers uh on prime like maybe it is a more american idea of what a remake should be i don't know but i should check out that Digital Foundry thing. I hope they do the same for 2 and 3. Like you said, 3, nobody played at all.

It was like a very underbought Wii game. Yeah, and 2 has a lot of game design problems. I wonder if they'll try to address those. But I watched a friend play through all of 2. I didn't really play 2. But yeah, so I got that. but uh i i watched a friend play through all of two i didn't really play two but uh yeah so that i got that also you know if you bob if you're intending to buy some switch games only digitally in the future you really should get in that voucher program dealie what does this mean what

does it what does this mean well okay so you have uh you're a subscriber to the nintendo to the switch online thing right the the entry level right i think this counts for that too so basically if you have that you can then buy for a hundred bucks by two game vouchers that then can be used to pre-order games that cost more than fifty dollars each uh so in the case of me and i think this is most people i paid 100 for the vouchers and used it for the 70 tier get legend of zelda tears of the kingdom and the 60 pickman 4 and so i could get them at like basically i saved 30 bucks on it okay i'll look into that uh yes and i am very excited about tears of the kingdom and i am anti-consumer and i think 70 bucks is fine for that game for how

long i mean if it's as deep as Breath of the Wild or even deeper, yes, it's worth the $70. I paid $70 for games in 1995, okay? That's true. Not adjusting for inflation. The amount on the price tag was $70.00. That's how much Chrono Trigger was, I remember. For me, it was more than that,

which is why I didn't buy it. Oh, yeah. But FF3 slash 6 was $80. I had one friend whose older brother bought fantasy star 4 that's the only way we played it like you can see why emulation got so huge uh not too long after that because it was like these games are too fucking expensive yeah i mostly i rented chrono trigger but then i played it over and over again via emulation in the late 90s and uh lastly for

the nintendo stuff i started back on mario kart 8 but it is a hand hurter to be played in i was like oh this is why i stopped playing mario kart 8 even though i uh i played it on 100 cc and i won handily against the computer so i was like okay i i i haven't lost all my mario are you playing handheld mode? Yes. I think you've got to switch to TV mode and use a better controller because some games, man, they're not very ergonomic. I'm used to Fire Emblem with the turn-based thing. I'm not having to keep a grip the whole time,

but in Mario Kart, I'm holding down A. I have the claw grip on it to be like, well, I've i gotta hold my item in the back the whole time and also hold down the apparently there's a new mode or not new but a recent addition to it was like that where the gas is always on yeah which i didn't turn that on i think that might have been in previous versions but it kind of makes sense but it feels wrong to me but i i wanted to open it up because coming soon is that yoshi's island course and burdo added to the game so looking forward to that as for movies and tv i

have a few i did see pinocchio uh finally the del toro one i really liked it it was really good uh i wish i could have seen it on the big screen instead of at home as netflix forced me to do i was very lucky in that i did get to see it in the big screen on the big screen it was funny when I watched it with my husband like halfway through the movie my husband recognizes Ron Perlman's voice and I'm like oh yeah the second he spoke I was like but I know that Guillermo del Cero puts Ron Perlman pretty much in every single film so it's really just a countdown clock like all right when's Ron Perlman showing up that was a great movie uh pinocchio i think i talked about it last month or the month before but yeah i i really like how it's about how he's doesn't want to be a burden and it's uh from going by what you

said the original book was it really is like don't be an asshole kids but in this more it's like pinocchio is just he's new to life and doesn't understand anything but he kind of he pulls his uh his life together pretty quickly i like that but uh i've gotten into white lotus we're down to season two it is a really great show obviously everybody talks about it great actors great writing funny, dark, and also with some surprising visuals. You're like, wow, even this is on HBO? I'm shocked at that. But the secret to it, though, I think it's success is that beautiful people go to expensive, gorgeous locales.

And it gets to have its cake and eat it too because other characters go like man fuck all these rich people they suck and then but you're still watching beautiful men and women like fuck and eat a delicious meal you still want to be them absolutely while you despise them yeah and and it's nice and gay too there's uh there's some queer stuff in it which i like uh uh which also has one of the leads in the first season of White Lotus. It's also like one of those revolving cast things of like there's a different cast each season. But one of the leads in the first season playing Armand

is this Australian man who's a gay guy, and he also was in the gay episode of The last of us that i watched and once i finished watching that i was like great no more last of us for me i haven't seen much discussion of that series since episode three but i'm sure it's very popular no it's it is extremely popular i'm not gonna pretend it is the best video game story ever told i mean why wouldn't it be finally games are for adults now no well i mean also to craig mazen and neil druckman are also very much the uh they both sides uh political things like when they start with a fascist government i was like well you're gonna have to eventually say that the people who oppose the

fascists are also pretty bad and they of course do that like that i really hope neil druckman pulls a ken levine and just disappears from gaming to do whatever because i'm sick of it i hope he goes away like well just because he quote tweeted you and uh tried to send people against you but you won that one i just i really i mean everyone loves these games i'm not trying to be contrarian but i really hate sony's triple a games i just don't them. I don't like how they play. I just think they're not what I want. Sony's thing is like an expensive story tube.

Or a game that doesn't feel like a game, right? Yeah, even that God of War thing, it looked interesting, but then I'm seeing all these complaints as you're going through the game as Kratos. He's like, I should push that rock. I wonder what's behind that door. Oh no, I should swing from that rope that rope like all these they're just shooting hints at you and there's no way to turn it off and i can't stand that i play the first five hours of the previous

god of war game and yeah that i did they there's a clear demarcation of the end of act one and that's when i kind of just stopped i was like yeah i again i see the quality in them i know they're great but in their way but yeah i think that's why i stopped playing uh horizon zero dawn is because the main character kept whispering hints to me and i was like i don't need these i'm i'm okay i i'm sure spider-man does it too in the spider-man game but i forgive spider-man i should help that cop cops are great yes uh you know the miles Morales DL sequel, they pretty much have him never interact with a cop one way or another.

They make sure he doesn't say anything like, I don't trust the cops. But they also, they definitely had somebody in the writing of it say like, look, you can't have Miles Morales helping the NYPD the entire game. You can't do that. Okay, so quick other hits. Saw the Puss in Boots Last Wish, as everybody was telling us to. Yes, it's the first actual good Trek movie.

Like, actually good. It took 22 years, everybody, but we made it. And yes, is it about panic attacks and fear of death and the thing that's in every cartoon now? Yes, yes it is. is it about panic attacks and fear of death and the thing that's in every cartoon? Oh yes. Yes it is. But, uh, it's,

it's also like Antonio Banderas is really rated. And it also, another reason I love it is that the breakout star, the new sidekick in it, he's, he's the sidekick to a sidekick sidekick, but he's played by Harvey Guillen, uh, who is one of my like

favorite actors right now and also i have a big time crush on him uh he's he's from uh he's guillermo and what we do in shadows and uh yeah he's just he's so funny in puss in boots last wish and uh and also like the uh goldilocks and the three bears characters in it are great john mulaney is a very funny character in it too it's uh it's just really funny i think it's gonna be on peacock soon it would be weird for me to just jump into this after missing all the shrek movies but i might because i've seen clips and i like how it looks but then there's all this puss in boots puss in boots content i'm not aware of there was an entire netflix series too yes yeah it's it's kind of crazy the uh i'll also say when i saw the movie and there are references to shrek characters i

recognized i was a little bit like oh look at that there's pinocchio or whoever uh also got into the reality show trixie motel the trixieie Motel Motel Renovation reality show. I get it. Yeah. So is it like Bar Rescue, but there's a drag queen renovating hotels? Yeah, pretty much the drag queen, Trixie, she and her partner, or him and his partner, they bought a aging motel in Palm springs that has like eight rooms in it and so the project of the reality show is can they renovate it for under five hundred thousand

dollars and uh it is very in your face of just like yes it's a reality show this is the guest of the episode this is all fake we're all acting like it just happened uh but it's compelling in the way all trashy reality shows are it just flies by you also get to see rich people spend money on things and you're like wow i feel like i'm renovating a house and could afford a house and renovate it and lastly i started up chainsaw man which uh it is really good i didn't i hadn't read the comic i'm just seeing the show now it's a really interesting uh turn on the the shonen uh story uh and also i wanted to check it out too because our pal ian jones cordy went pretty uh viral this month he did a drawing of a tribute

drawing to it because he found out that the creator of it of chainsaw man liked adventure time which ian worked on so he drew a perfectly accurate drawing of adventure time except chainsaw man is finn and uh princess bubblegum is his handler that's right i forgot about that this is one of those series where my friends were telling me to read the manga for years but now there's an anime also that's same with uh spy family so these are two series i need to get around to watching and i will because i know they're very good and they look very good too yeah even jojo is that for me too which uh you know there's still a lot of jojo comics that haven't been in cartoon yet but uh oh and lastly other stuff i did yeah uh this month i are yeah since the last time i saw the v variety reunion at sketch fest which was really good and i went to the pro wrestling show of new Japan pro wrestling battle in

the Valley in San Jose, uh, which was really good. Uh, well, half good and half not good. There, there were some blab.

Uh, CM Punk appeared, right? CM Punk was in the audience standing above me and I merely tweeted about it, but I was trying to act above it all because there were other every other goober there when they realized like who all look like me too they're like seeing books here oh my god i gotta go get his autograph i was like guys leave him alone but i was tweeting who's seeing books here is he still disgraced you know that's a complicated question, Bob. We'll see. He is recovering from his injury.

And the question is if in the next month or so, what he does. Does he come back to AEW or not? Will he apologize to the people he offended? It's a complex issue that a lot of people have lots of opinions on. And I'm leaving for Canada tomorrow as of this recording day. And you're going to be going to a lot more people have lots of opinions on and uh i'm i'm leaving for canada tomorrow as of this recording day and you're going to be going to a lot more wrestling matches right so much wrestling i'm going to say henry watch the amount of screaming you do unless you want to sound like tom gamill oh god yeah i i'll hold it back i'll save it all for the big uh sunday show but yes so

as listeners know i go to see all elite wrestling all over America. I've been to Chicago and Vegas and Seattle to see them. They have never come here to the Bay Area. They finally are for their big pay-per-view. So I'm seeing them Wednesday. I'm seeing them Friday. I'm seeing them Sunday. And then that would have been the end of it, but I've never seen, I've been wanting to take my mom and stepfather to an all, uh, an AEW show. They are coming to Sacramento the week after that, which is closer to them.

So I was like, guys, I'll buy you tickets. We'll see it. And so I am seeing, I am seeing it four times in seven days. Yeah. It's a, it look, I know it's a lot. It's crazy. You're going to be seeing a lot of my parrot when you take care of him. Yes in seven days. Yeah. Look, I know it's a lot. It's crazy. You're going to be seeing a lot of my parrot when you take care of him. Yes, I will.

Yeah. I'll be telling him all about the fun I'm having in San Francisco. Tell him about the outside world because he'll be all locked away while I'm gone. But yes, it's a very wrestling March coming my way. I think I'll be all wrestling out. I won't be doing my usual Vegas or Chicago trips this year because this is the wrestling for me. It's a lot of wrestling. It is.

For one week. I wish, again, I wouldn't have gone. That New Japan show, I was like, oh, I bought tickets to that before they announced they were coming to San Francisco. So I was like, well, I guess I got to do both of them. All right. But for some reason, I forgot about the New Japan show. And when you went to it, I was like, what, did the week of wrestling start what's going on there's uh there is so much wrestling and this is me skipping anything involving the wwe obviously because that

look every company's evil and every billionaire is evil but wwe's billionaire is really evil he's a really bad guy let's move on to questions and comments first i was talking simpsons i didn't pull any from the live show because all the comments were like hey good job way to go guys and we appreciate it and thanks again to matt christman for coming out apparently uh i follow his wife on twitter and i think his train got canceled so he rented a convertible and drove that back home so i guess he had a real good time. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. I didn't know that's how he ended up back home. That's nuts, man. He, again, nicest dude.

He's such a great guy. He did that out of the kindness of his heart, coming to do that with us. It was not about money. That's why it kind of upsets me when people are like, oh, the Chapo guys, the villains of the podcasting. And whenever we meet them, they're the sweetest men in the world. And they always do such nice favors for us with for nothing in return. Yes.

Yeah. This is the Chapo hosts. They appear on so many podcasts that, you know, a business manager would say, don't bother with these like this. You are too big for this kind of thing. But they do it because they love podcasts like i you know i just heard matt and will on a uh on paul sheer's movie podcast uh on earwolf but because that unspooled unspooled yeah with uh amber ruffin i i'm sorry i forget the co-host but the point of it was i hadn't listened unspooleded in a while, but I wanted to hear Matt and Will on it.

And Paul Scheer has to give his like normie warning of like, so the Chapo guys are very political. They might say some, you know, more left wing things. And you're I think they're going to say like I was like, oh, this is like the he's worried his earwolf audience is going to tell him. is gonna tell them or also you know there are some jerkhole liberals out there who read some tweet thread about how chapo's secretly fascist or some bullshit and you just have russian cia plants or something i don't know they're they're uh what's the word sorry russian kgb agents oh and useful idiots for putin like yeah which yeah we could go into a whole thing funded by the cia there's many conspiracy theories about them but they're what they are is sweetie pies to us yeah it's so nice i'm not even uh exaggerating without their early support i don't know if we'd be able to live off of this because them being on the show really called attention to us so it really

really did yeah matt's uh first episode came right around when we launched the Patreon, and it helped a whole bunch. It really did. So, yes, the first episode is Separate Vocations. I just want to note that there were 46 episodes on this one because everyone loves Nina. But I'm just going to put it out there. I love her the most. So get in line. Yeah, it's not a contest.

You'll not win. Yes, but Drew Mackey says, Henry is correct in stating that the wild one is unmemorable but i do know one other thing about it and that's that it was based on the one interesting thing that ever happened in my crappy hometown which is that some bikers got rowdy the level of rowdy was probably staged but it became a news story anyway and now there is an annual biker get together in celebration of this fake news story that became a bad movie not one of the thousands of bikers who come to town look like a tom of finland anything looking for rough trade

however this is a very specific cross-section of my pet interests of hollister california sucking but also iconic gay pop culture images thank you for your time thank you drew we we count on drew for a lot of stuff but yeah it's it's funny the wild one is such a like you look at it now you think like oh well that's a gay guy right and he's like no it was a tough straight man yeah i think i remember in that movie they're just driving their motorcycles around a building in a circle or something i don't know what's happening in that movie yeah yeah the taunting shopkeepers i think yeah hollister california are they the namesake of the hollister clothing brand i don't know i i just i it is funny though like yeah biker now you don't think of tom

of finland you think of like the scuzzy sons of anarchy guys a gay guy or a guy who raided the capital yes two kinds of bikers uh who do not take care of their bodies in the way that Tom of Finland imagined it. You know, the Tom of Finland biopic was really good. Though it follows every beat of a biopic always has to. Like, it's the come to America moment. The love on the rocks moment. The one of the leads has a telltale cough. Uh-oh. All that stuff i yeah i

recently watched coal miner's daughter for an upcoming podcast and i really enjoyed that movie but it did follow all the beats even though it's 40 years old they were always there yeah the as you said the only downside was that she hadn't lived enough life for them to hit all the beats in the late life perfectly uh also that tom of finland movie though there's a the funny moment i always remember and it is it's early where the artist who you know he doesn't have the internet but he is drawing gay porn secretly for himself he doesn't know how to draw like straight people in love a straight couple so he asked to abandon a woman who were dating like can i take photos of you for a job i have to draw a man and a woman in love because what if a man and a woman who were dating like can i take photos of you for a job i have to draw a man

and a woman in love because what if a man and a woman were next to each other it's outlandish i gotta see a photo of it because it's disgusting to imagine uh so manic rainbow says on the episode what a great episode i'd love to give a not gifted child's perspective on it no offense to you gifted folks or gifties as i call you as a kid who who had learning disorders, I shudder whenever J. Lawrence Pryor speaks. He is the perfect encapsulation of the incredibly passive-aggressive, calmed voice counselor and analyst I would have to work with all the way from kindergarten to high school. When Pryor says he saw Bart being a drifter,

it honestly wasn't far off from what those types of people made us feel was our destiny. Episodes like this, Bart the Genius and Bart Gets an F, ring so true to me. When you treat kids as if they are stupid and have no future, what else do you expect them to do but stop caring? I know Lisa's situation in the episode is different than mine, but I really do love seeing her be bad as a reaction to being put in a particular box watching

the simpsons as a child taught me to challenge the intellectual power structures in schools thanks for your input uh yeah yes and this brings me back to what i was talking about earlier with the vonnegut book in that uh if you have some sort of learning disorder you you have no use according to our system so what do we do with you? Well, you fail. You become homeless. And then, I don't know, prison or death maybe. There's nothing set up.

It's like we have designed one system for basically one kind of person. If you're not that person, well, too bad, I guess. I guess die. I mean, you can die really quick. It'd be better for all of us. But, yeah, this was not my experience. And I think I said on that episode that most of school is just showing up but of course if you have a learning disorder

uh a lot there's a lot more involved than that yeah it also takes me back to the hank scorpio episode where bark gets put in the remedial class and that was when we were in school too you definitely if you found out a kid wasn't in the regular classes and was in the i mean there's no way the way the structure works is they have to while in school be in those remedial classes and if you find out it marks that kid forever like in in the structure of the the classroom which is really too bad like that's not fair at all to the uh to the student who now everybody is like oh you you're in the lesser math classes in elementary school or whatever you got to be dumb it's it's really too bad i think i remember in my early schooling

you were assigned a color book based on your reading level they didn't want to put like a number on it or any other kind of signifier, but the kids knew like, oh, he's got a purple book, that dum-dum. Oh, man. So the kids learned quickly. I didn't know that. Yes. Now, we didn't have that in mind,

but there was the one classroom where you knew they had the remedial classes. And if you caught a kid going into that classroom, you knew like, Oh, okay. Well, so that's their problem. And, and sadly,

like I definitely remember some kids were judged for that. Definitely. Uh, moving on to, I am furious. Yellow. Joe Hodgson says, so this is the best episode of the season.

I think so. It's funny and does a good job of mocking the internet cartoon culture of its era, but I have no idea how that plays on someone who is younger and didn't live through it. At least for them, the Marvel stuff plays on someone who is younger and didn't live through it. At least for them, the Marvel stuff plays as well now as it did then, if not better. And Stan Lee is low-key one of the best guest stars The Simpsons has had for the simple fact that he's willing to go along with the jokes even at his expense.

I would argue that Stan Lee was pretty mainstream even back when this premiered, as he was always very good at self-promotion. I know I'd see him interviewed on the news, and he was featured in cable biography shows and the like. He passed the parent test when this aired, but he's definitely even more well-known now. This is Bob speaking. I'm kind of on board with Stan Lee being more well-known than we let on in the episode,

but I still think for most Simpsons viewers, he needed to be explained. Yeah, yeah. I don't think he was yet at the level of stardom like because marvel things were only like that episode aired right before spider-man the movie is coming out in theaters like and and having just re-watched it recently i was reminded like oh yeah stan lee's cameo in the first spider-Man is blink and you miss it. You see him on screen for maybe two seconds where he's saving a kid from a rock hitting him or something. Very different from his appearance in Spider-Man 3 where he eats the screen and just like,

Hey, kid, enough said, and walks away. Yeah, I imagine after this episode, most people see him in, what, 20 of those movies? And I'm sure what people say is like, like oh that's the guy who invented marvel comics so i'm sure that's how he was known after appearing in those movies so much like who's that old guy oh he invented marvel comics and spider-man and probably batman too i don't know yeah it's uh i i also want to say thad had an interesting comment on it of just saying uh a stance i'd never uh really considered before about how you know was were guys guys like Jack Kirby screwed by Stan Lee? And he makes a good point that, like, Kirby, by 1961, had been involved in comics for 20 years at that point.

So he knew the deal, but he probably could not have predicted just how big it was going to get and how much he was going to miss out on the money in a work for a higher context but uh oh yeah i forgot to even say i saw ant-man 3 that's how forgettable it is most people forgot about it it literally goes right through your brain it is a trailer for other movies jonathan majors is kang is good uh and if you're a comedy nerd you will see scenes in it that make you go like, hey, that's a fun reference for comedy nerds. Look, there's Neil Hamburger, a.k.a. Greg Turkington in the movie again. It's unfortunate that, you know, we're living in the splash zone of the Rick and Morty debacle. And thinking about Rick and Morty isn't really fun right now.

So when all these Marvel Rick and Morty movies come out, you you're like I don't really want the sense of humor right now you know it's kind of offensive to me I don't want to think about Rick and Morty for another couple months at least maybe and it's written by one of the top Rick and Morty writers they all are yes all of these are Rick and Morty's you know they've the 20 10 years ago they hired all the Joss Whedon writers including joss whedon now they hire all the rick and morty writers uh but uh yes also on that episode professor gas can says i know it's such a minor thing in the episode but an absolute best time to have experienced g4 tv was to be like me a 12 year old whose family had digital cable but still kept dial up internet

getting reliable info on games back then was a huge pain in the ass because user feedback could be dodgy people in general are pretty awful about elaborating at why something does or doesn't work and there's a lot of bad professional reviewers too as much as we now agree that tommy talarico is history's greatest gaming monster he and victor lucas on judgment day did have pretty decent reviews for that time it if nothing else they were way ahead of x play who much like the rest of the review industry prior to the eighth console generation with doc points from a release solely for being japanese one x play episode no bullshit actually made an autism joke in a jrpg review which is probably why adam

sussler does not want to release all the episodes on youtube even though he totally could i'm gonna say uh don't listen to any gaming podcasts made before i don't know 2010 yeah definitely that's i mean even 2012 you're probably yeah second obama term maybe you're safe then in most of them but yeah i mean well especially like the second half of the aughts it was just open season on japanese games like it was just saying like these all are shit now japan's bad at making games and then you get into edge lordy jokes about to the japanese yeah it's like they lost another war or something yeah actually i was reading some account posted uh scores because i think wario where the first game just turned 20 uh and some people were posting review scores of the original reviews and a lot of them were like basically the wacky

japanese are at it again and one of them was like something the the quote was something like um now this game might be too japanese for some people and it was explaining the things you do like you pick a nose in the game it just like no they were making things they thought were funny these are universally funny things but the stance was like this is Japanese yuck their humor was it was them being fun

that's for the longest time it looks so bad now the like people saying like oh well this isn't a joke it's that the japanese are weird like no it's it's comedy it's somebody right it they made this thing in warrior where to be funny they don't think it's normal it's a joke yeah it took a long time for a lot of americans to understand that uh and i'm sure i wrote lots of uh oh the wacky japanese games in my old games writing as well.

I'm guilty of that, too. It's how you applied for jobs then. Yeah. You look like a real writer then. Well, that's why, like, the Souls games really did take everybody by surprise because everybody underestimated them because they're like, this can't be a good new game from Japan. It must be, like, actually bad. This isn't Skyrim. Moving on to Dog of Death.

Kiefer Folsom says, All right, I'll be that little freak. The recycled clip of Homer saying, And I'll be right here watching TV. The clip is from earlier in the season, Radio Bart. It's from when Homer was watching the TV, the commercial for the microphone, and he says, That could be Bart.

So on the podcast, we were wondering what recycled footage they used. It turns out it was Homer watching TV. And on the episode we were wondering what recycled footage they use it turns out it was homer watching tv and on the episode i think i said there's so many clips of homer watching tv up to this point that it was hard for us to figure it out it was really hard i appreciate keifer i i thanked keifer in the discord as well when uh they they posted it because the second i saw the word radio bard i was like ah i i could see the scene like but yeah it's uh i we try our best to catch all the recycled clips because even in season three there's only so many episodes they can pull from and a season two clip in a season three episode is very obvious

but sometimes yeah did our listeners also track down the uh oh that's a lot of money clip from uh the german episode. Yes, yeah. I believe it was because I follow them on Twitter as well. Kalen Ramos was the person who pointed out. Yeah, yeah. To provide context, that's in which Smethers is saying how much the plan is worth or whatever, and it cuts to a shot of Homer in different clothes in a different environment saying that line.

Which Ramos correctly pointed out was from Simpson and Delilah. to a shot of homer in different clothes in a different environment saying that line which uh which ramos uh correctly pointed out was from sam simpson and delilah yes okay uh also in that episode uh blake r says as a hamster owner thank you thank you thank you to young andrew for asking his dad to take it to the vet they've gotten a bit of a poor reputation as a disposable pet for kids when they actually require a lot of space and enrichment. People tend to shrug and move on when they have a medical issue, but they need vet treatment as much as any of the big pets like a dog or a cat. Being a rodent owner is difficult as their lifespan maxes out at three to four years, but that makes me appreciate all the time I have with mine all the more and want her to have the happiest life i can give her

can give her we'll get off my hamster soapbox now thank you for the hamster advice hamster we're about to do a cartoon all about hamster violence as well that's true that hamster was fine though even though it killed people and those people are fine as well everybody's fine we saw the the thing at the end of it everybody's fine one thing i didn't say on the podcast was before I got Louie 20 years ago, when I first moved out, I was like, I want a pet, but I didn't want a cat or anything high maintenance.

So I did dip into hamsters again. So there was a point in my early twenties where I, I bought hamsters. We had one when I was a kid and then it was just a fun kind of like low maintenance pet. Of course, you know, you change the litter,

you play with it, you, you build little tubes for it to play in but it was a nice early 20s independent life pet to start with it's fun to watch them eat their little pellets too yes they cram them in there or if you give them a baby carrot they just like shove it all the way back in their pouches that's adorable it's great they're very cute moving on to what a cartoon movie for dumbo and bradford a barker says a bit tangential but the speculation about walt disney revealing anti-working class sentiment in dumbo reminded me of similar comments by a critic about pinocchio's themes of derision towards working class pastimes on pleasure island and ideals of assimilation into the american middle

class class conflict was definitely on people's minds and waltz in the 1930s in the u.s and it all probably tracks and absolutely makes sense to me yeah yeah i mean he's he was a rich guy who was a job creator who i think of course he's gonna look down i mean also because he is a he has been the myth for a hundred years you tell everybody of like oh you want to pull yourself up by your bootstraps you know walt disney started as a blah blah and you just he is he is a story of he is like the american success story or one of the top ones but uh but it's it's a sad deal like oh and the end of an american success story is of course you become the exploiter who like shits on everybody below you yeah there was so much reactionary stuff happening in this time period because of

anti-working class, anti-immigrant sentiment. And one of those was prohibition. There were a lot of other reasons why it went into effect, but a big reason was all of these Italians are coming over here, and they're drinking wine at their Catholic masses. Right, I forgot it was an anti-Catholic thing.

Oh, sorry, one more thing is the reason why comics are cracked down on is because immigrants were coming here they couldn't read English but they could read comics so they were a big reading there were a big thing that was read by immigrants so that's why it was it was seen as low class

that's a big reason well I mean that came up in our Superman and the Furious Yellow thing too of like many of the creators of comics originally of a lot of the most remembered ones were Jewish immigrants or the sons of Jewish immigrants. Like it was it was not seen as a thing regular white people did if they were getting into the arts. And now we're all drinking wine and reading comics. But Disney was a hypocrite. He was swigging out of his flask and smoking cigarettes and eating chili.

I love when the podcast the right guys go like, but no booze in the park. If you take two steps this way, get as drunk as you want and then walk back into the park, but no drinking in the park. And Disney was not religious. He attempted to destroy Christ with the Disney Corporation. Yay, right. That was his ultimate goal.

You know, I guess all those people who think that Disney is secretly trying to destroy kids, they're finally catching on to it, really, the Disney haters. He was all about cultural Marxism. But Joshua Marchant also said on Dumbo, After watching both Pinocchio and dumbo i think this was a much sweeter and healthier portrayal of a parent-child relationship mrs jumbo and timothy both leap to defend an actual baby when he's getting bullied or manhandled there's an unconditional quality to their care and support of dumbo throughout by contrast jupedo is an inept absentee and

jiminy's constant huffiness with his two-day-old charge not immediately understanding and following his instructions seemed immature for a guardian jiminy treats pinocchio like it's his fault that he's being expertly manipulated by adult con men like yeah yeah definitely both come with like a come on pinocchio like go to school it's like he's he's a child it's it's a fun movie in terms of animation but there's not much to take away from it in terms of what am i learning here the this baby is very naive okay sure uh don't trust the first person you meet when you walk out the door you know yeah and that no i mean timothy is a better guy than jiminy yeah i i definitely

agree with that and and uh yeah we also got uh we got a nice email from our pal thad who uh i always look to him uh for approval on our research for old stuff like like dumbo or the the fleischer superman shorts he said he disagreed with us but he was not disappointed by our research so i was very happy uh doing the episode i was very worried that thad would be angered by my research me too i mean that is also why when we did fleischer superman i sent my notes to him beforehand of like so i didn't miss anything right and uh i got the thad thumbs up yeah uh so moving on speak of the devil what a cartoon fleischer superman shorts uh harry thornton says as a fellow Superman nerd something else that's special about the mechanical monsters according to Superman historians it's the earliest

known depiction of Superman changing in a phone booth which rarely if ever happened in the comics the whole pop culture idea that Superman changes in the phone booth seems to come from this short there was a famous prehistoric creature on the rampage in a modern city scene that predated King Kong where a brontosaurus runs around London during the climax of the 1925 silent version of The Lost World. It was animated by Willis O'Brien and essentially set him on the path that would lead him to bringing Marion C. Cooper's King Kong to life through stop motion. I am sad I forgot The Lost World when we were talking about that. Yeah, which obviously I've never seen the film, but I've seen the clip of, when I think of The Lost World, it's the one with like the snarling teeth shot

of the Brontosaurus. I think like Pee-wee's Playhouse used that clip a lot. That's it, yeah. I bet they showed it all the time on that. Yeah, it was The Lost World that, I'm sure that they were pulling somewhat from that. By that point, it was like a 16-year-old movie, so a classic

and yeah i did not uh here i was all focused on whether superman was leaping or flying i completely missed that it was the first time superman changed in a phone booth which no idea yeah uh and joe hodgson also says on the episode as a kid it would bother me if i watched these cartoons that superman seemingly could not fly he was always jumping granted quite high but that isn't as good as flying it's funny you brought up goku who is obviously influenced by superman but he too mostly just jumped around for the majority of dragon ball say for the one time he flew with his tail or upon the flying nimbus and he kind of just learns to fly off screen like it's not a big deal as if as i don't think he flies until the final battle in dragon ball original with piccolo jr and then

when z starts i don't think he flies again until after his training with king kai i haven't watched it in forever but i don't think he even attempts to fly to escape hell or hiffle if you prefer after falling off snake way i guess that's just another example of holy shit tn can fly just turned into yeah that guy can fly no big deal yes at the point i'm watching now all of the villains are just floating around in space and it's a real problem so these guys gotta learn to fly soon yeah i think you know this could have been a localization thing i don't uh because i only remember from the first from the ocean dub of uh of dragon ball but when he's running on snake way i think he says something like well i could fly but that takes too much energy so i better just run and obviously it's funnier if he runs snake way the entire time it'd

be boring if he flies that would be boring yeah and of course when he needs to get there really fast later in the story then boom he flies uh to get to the vegeta fight in time but uh yeah no that's uh that is i i'm always up for a goku versus superman discussion gotta immortalize that in comics though to see who really wins it needs to officially happen i always said like well because goku always gets stronger while superman is kind of at the same level so i would say the goku at this point can definitely beat uh superman i'd put my money on goku for sure yeah uh moving on to talking futurama less than hero the fun superhero send-up episode. Christmas Ape says,

Coincidentally, Dr. Zoidberg has a cameo in the Rich Moore-directed Duck Dodgers cartoon from that batch of 2003 Looney Tunes. Go figure. And Christmas Ape also says, The conversation about the delightfully dated quality of the superhero parodies in this episode made me realize that I don't really know what a superhero parody looks like these days. The most recent one I've seen is the episode of Amphibia that riffs on the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies, and even that feels intentionally outdated at this point. Yeah, you know, I'm trying to think of recent ones,

and one of the first recent ones I think of is a 10-, 8-year-old, 9-year-old episode of Steven Universe where it's kind of a parody of the Nolan Batman films where Steven realizes he's a hero and he pushes everybody away because he's like a hero has to feel the pain by himself and not put it on others and then at the end of the episode he realizes like well that's stupid I should I should be I should have friends I feel like you don't see parodies of Marvel movies because by design they're meant to be like kind of shapeless and without a real identity because they want to slot in a new director if one doesn't work out. Yeah. So with the Nolan movies, you can parody those because there is an identity to them, like a point of view.

But with the Marvel ones, even though some of them are enjoyable, I think by design they don't want a strong point of view in them. Same with the Zack Snyder movies, which I don't like. strong point of view in them same with the zack snyder movies which i don't like but you definitely can parry they have they have a distinct feel that is only their type of movie uh yeah i uh and also yeah that zoidberg thing i didn't realize he was in duck dodgers i've only watched a little duck dodgers every time i watched like oh this is actually just a really good show i think this is the short they made but not the tv series they would later make okay yeah i see i all right i'll look that one up too i really like the the tv series it was like joe lasky's last real uh thing is as as daffy i would jump in occasionally i was in my mid-20s

so it wasn't really for me but i i did respect it i watched the kevin smith episode obviously oh i forgot about that it was where duck dodgers gets a green lantern ring uh he becomes green lantern and then the end of the episode uh the real green lantern how jordan appears and he is voiced by kevin smith so uh it's a rare time where kevin smith isn't just playing himself uh stupid sexy flanner says good news henry thanks to production time return of the king was largely done before 2001 it was never made as a war on terror analogy and the cast sean astin especially hated that the media did relate the two he even remarks on the commentary for two towers how much he hated it and to where he stopped saying and signing his name by any quote

related to war white savior sure but lord of the rings is anything but a war on terran analog and uh yes stupid sexy spencer flanders i agree with you it was uh i definitely well also like peter jackson uh and his and philip bowens and everybody else on it they definitely seem to be more left wing as well they are not they definitely weren't george w bush supporters but i yes i don't think it was intentional i do think that one of the thing that lifted its tide to make it a big mass media event was that conservative people could like it because they're like yeah it's the war war on the other like finally a virtuous war we're finally going gonna fight back against people it was kind of like a

rorschach test for people no i'm glad sean astin does that too well also like uh i two towers uh the the end fight in that is one of my favorite i think it's my favorite battle in the whole series but even peter jackson admits like well yeah we were inspired by uh this actually very racist movie called zulu that has really good fights uh a really good battle i am vaguely familiar with that actually this talk of uh sean aston on commentary reminded me this is tangentially related i remember buying the goonies dvd in 2001 thinking oh boy i can't wait to watch the goonies again. I didn't really like it as an adult. But I do remember the commentary

and it was back in the day when sometimes they would have the commentary as like a picture-in-picture video on the screen and they were all there, but I do remember Sean Astin had to leave the commentary and I'm guessing because he had to do some Lord of the Rings stuff. Yeah, his time had to be very in demand for pretty much the first, like, from 1999 until 2004, probably.

I'm thinking of giving Goonies a rewatch. It's been 20 years, and my wife has never seen it. And my takeaway at the age of 19 was, man, these kids are annoying. I'll tell you what, never liked Goonies as a kid, but that's because as a fat kid, it's not nice to fat kids. Were you made to perform the truffle shuffle? Some friends would try to make me do it, and I was not a fan. That movie did a lot of damage to the Asian and the large community. Oh, and don't forget disabled people, too. Right, right.

Oh, well, we'll watch it. We'll check in. We'll eat some Baby Ruths. It'll be fun. So moving on to talking of the hill pregnant pause blake r says i would ordinarily be wary of the reboot especially considering we had more king of the hill than i'd ever hoped in its original run but the quality of the new beefs and butthead has me erring on the side of optimism luann was the favorite character

of both my wife and i so i would hate for her to be entirely absent as long as the writing is true to her character you're right the tom petty being dead as well does throw a bit of a wrench into whatever you do with that couple, but more than anything, I'm always happy when Kathy Najimy gets paid to save her from doing more hocus-pocus movies. Peggy Hill has always been one of the funniest characters to me and never understood the hate for her. The de-evolution of TV has meant that younger audiences can't accept that unlikable characters can be funny and interesting. And this is Bob saying, bravo! Yes, I totally agree with you. Oh, that's good. Yes. Especially that last

point where, yeah, I'm getting a lot, like, I'm seeing a lot of very weird pushback. We talked about it when we mentioned Velma, where people are saying how can a person treat other people like this when you're watching, you know, a flawed character? Yeah, it's kind of a throw, the Velma show which, like, I didn't finish watching it. other people like this when you're watching you know a flawed character yeah it's it's it's kind

of a throw the velma show which like i didn't finish watching it i didn't it's fine but definitely it's like characters can be mean to each other sometimes like not i it feels like now we're on the other side of like people complained when there were nice cartoons like steven universe was the one everybody was like oh everybody's got to apologize or everybody's got to be nice it's like now it feels like we're on the other side we're like no cartoon can be mean now I mean we're going to be recording it next

but after watching Invader Zim it's a very dated show and some stuff I don't like but I also thought like can we just have some a couple of mean kid cartoons where Zim isn't apologizing to Gur at the end saying oh I should have listened to you Gur you know you have some great ideas and let's be friends again and they hug each other yeah everybody's uh so so i think should be allowed to be more mean that's what's great about smiling friends just nice and mean i think there's an entire industry of like sensitivity

readers that are corrupting children's entertainment yeah which again like i mean also i don't want to sound like one of those people who's like oh every cartoon cartoons are pussifying kids i don't agree with that oh same here yeah but there there should be space for mean cartoons too yeah i think kids now are much more empathetic and are living in a socially better world for them than we did in terms of how they react and relate to their you know peers yeah i as far i think about this uh billy eichner says it in that bros movie at least for how young kids today deal with like queer content is that like we our generation grew up with aids they grew up with glee so that's an entirely different view uh and yeah also the the stuff about lewin and

tom petty what to do with those characters i also want to say i apologize i mischaracterized uh our friend nina stance on uh the con character she right she's pro uh she loves con yeah and does definitely does not want him dead uh as well so i apologize for for that mistake just a quick quick correction there i feel like again we're months away from hearing who is recast as con they gotta do it soon and but yeah i mean yes everything gets rebooted nothing gets to be a new show uh i just saw craig mccracken did a lifetime achievement award speech uh last night at the time this recording at the annies and he made this uh he'd been saying it before i'm like well yeah the i did a new thing with netflix the netflix

algorithm told them that kid cosmic wasn't good enough to renew and so guess what if i want to make a new thing it has to just be more powerpuff girls everything's just got to be more of this like yep and lastly nathaniel miller says my predictions for the new series are absolutely less likely but feel true to the characters bobby will be a failed millennial brooklyn comedian pushed out of new york by the housing crisis his arc will be him becoming a renowned pit boss podcaster connie will be a board stem phd returning to her roots because she finds her career tedious and empty finding her new cause at home maybe finding value in itchy algae just his best friend since they left has been chained

with son of song they will both work as car salesmen for lane prattley their hometown heroes who never left and had defined purpose in texas after their glory of high school football i like these i like these ideas if they uh move the series forward especially the connie thing because i've been thinking that our generation and we talked about this on beauty and the beast we were really book pilled like read read read the most important thing you must do is read and then right after us it was like shit no stem stem stem stem forget about reading so i want to see what happens to those kids who are like boy the feud this wasn't the future for us really yeah it's sliding timeline on the show in the original run

made it so connie had to like shift in what kind of uh highly motivated uh uh high grade student she was supposed to be and like yeah she probably had to shift into stem and is now just like sick of it or it's she's surrounded by stem people in an overpopulated job market market and i would like to call back to itchy algae but i also i feel like they're just gonna keep everybody the same age i don't think they're or they could do the beavis and butthead uh new season which had it both ways some episodes are realistically aged beavis and butthead in their 40s and some episodes are them as if they never aged, and they're in today's time. I would still prefer, like I said on that podcast, if when the Hulu premiere happens, it's as if the show was never canceled, which is what happened with Beavis and Butthead in the 2010s, right? It's just like, they're back.

They're not going to comment on it. Maybe there'll be a wink to that they've been gone for 14 years, but that's basically going to be it i think yeah yeah now look i agree there has been a lot of king of the hill maybe they're maybe they could do something new but clearly no company wants new things yes they don't want it that's my that's my stance now actually it's if nothing new can be made at least bring back the old stuff that was good uh if simply nothing new can be made of value fine to bring back the things i like and that's it yeah if that's if that's what we have to settle for that again it's like fox is spending all that money on on new episodes of bob's burgers and family guy and and all that they i mean they did make new stuff we didn't watch it really yeah

and i mean if you look at the other things that are being made, what do you want to see? The Exploding Kittens cartoon or More King of the Hill? Come on. Yeah. Come on. More King of the Hill. That's my vote. Exactly.

But thanks for listening to another episode of Talk to the Audience. Again, we've got a great month coming up for you in March. The return of Blab about Batman will be happening, a new episode of that, along with our regular miniseries episodes. And we'll be covering chicken run and i believe the month will be kicking off on talking simpsons with a very big guest that we had in person so i'll look forward to that if you looked at our twitter in january you probably know who it is but don't spoil it for everybody else yeah it's uh yeah we got uh we got some cool stuff coming your way so thanks again for listening everyone we'll see you again for another episode of talk to the Audience. Take care.

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