Talking Simpsons - Talk to the Audience?!? - July 2021

Episode Date: August 4, 2021

We're in the dog days of summer 2021, which surprisingly means a whole lot of Simpsons news, including Loki, Comic-Con, and tons more! Plus we talk about some fun new events going on in our lives, what we've been watching for fun, and even reply to some of our favorite Patreon comments. So grab Thor's hammer and listen now! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! Check out our new shirts on TeePublic! And please follow the new official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

I heartily endorse this event or product. attendee Bob Mackey, who is here with you today. Hey, it's Henry Gilbert. I also crossed over with Loki. In case you don't know, this podcast comes out at the end of the month for patrons and the beginning of the month for people on the free feed. And in this podcast, we talk about what's happening in the Simpsons world and in our world and we answer your questions and comments from the last month's worth of episodes. And it's been quite the month for us, hasn't it,

Henry? Oh, yes. It's been the best of times and the worst of times in terms of busyness. Yeah, real times in terms of busyness yeah yeah real ups and downs of busyness in the in the uh july for sure and this and also listeners this is coming as hot off the presses as one of our podcasts can i think we were recording it the day it posts on the patreon but this since this is our community podcast it's all about direct engagement uh and and what's new, then this is as close as it gets to new.

And in case you couldn't tell from my intro, I am coming in live via satellite from Vancouver, British Columbia in Canada. Yeah, the sunny shores of Vancouver. It looks beautiful, all your pictures there. And you're finally together again with your wonderful wife. In case listeners aren't following the saga, and frankly, I'm happy that we're reaching a point where I'll have to stop talking about it because it won't be a thing anymore.

But I've been separated from my wife because of the border. Finally, after six months, I am visiting her again in Canada, and it's been great. And Henry and I have been working very hard ahead of time to just work way past this point in our timeline of content. So currently, we've finished things for september and october so right now i'm taking a vacation and henry is mostly taking a

vacation you've been doing a little bit of behind the scenes work yeah it's like a staycation to a degree but i've been you know like a couple hours a day or so doing some work but it's it uh it has been different not recording a podcast every two days. It feels weird. We were always planning for me to go away for about a month. So some weeks we were recording maybe eight podcasts, or at least with Retronauts I was, but you were also part of that too, Henry. So it's been really nice to go from that to just radio silence for a bit to recharge.

And it's fun to podcast again i'm making my first podcast since we recorded the hunchback one i think yeah what what a one to go out on that hunchback one our longest podcast to date i did that just in case the plane crashed i will have released my longest podcast ever uh to put to bed your thoughts on your favorite uh american animated film ever and you know my lifestyle has changed drastically because uh when i was in quarantine i i stayed inside uh and i played video games listen to podcasts that's been the exact opposite of my life here for notification i'm always outside i have in in almost two weeks i've listened to one podcast

with my wife uh we hate movies uhrose Place, 90210 episode, and I have not played a minute of a video game. Wow. Shocking lifestyle changes for me just because I don't have to do that stuff anymore. I have other options, so it doesn't seem as attractive. But, God, there are some games coming out we'll talk about soon that I really can't wait to play, and I might have to wait because games aren't exciting anymore. Now they can go outside. Yes. Go to restaurants restaurants and bars you can hold hands and drink beer it's it has been kind of a big month of simpsons news as well uh yes yeah oh sorry henry i'm sorry

there's a bit of a delay because i'm in canada but we recorded the last talk to the audience kind of early because i was going away to my hometown for a bit. So this first piece of news, it happened like right after we recorded or right after it posted, I forget. But yes, the Loki short, now it's old news, but it just barely missed the deadline when we were recording our last talk to the audience. And what were your thoughts on this one, Henry? i liked it better than the star wars one you know uh me and you watched it together and it uh it was nice that it actually had you know a lot of the cast in it and more jokes than just you know a baby being cute and all that yeah and though if you're sick of marvel things being part of every second of your life then then the loki crossover is annoying i suppose for sure yeah i mean it's not for me i i was actually kind of angry about the maggie star

wars shorts yeah because it just felt very i mean we talked about it it felt very pandering i mean it was made to advertise something and it did its job but this one was better because there was uh there were some voice actors on board you could tell who didn't want to be on play ball which was harry sheer and julie kavner which makes sense my only issue was they tried a lot harder with this one my only issue was i want to see a parody of marvel stuff it just seemed like we're going to put marvel stuff in the simpsons world and we're not really making fun of it the marvel characters are actually they don't like to go to simpsons world and it's bad yeah they're reacting to things around them in simpsons world so i i don't know if they're not allowed to do certain things i don't know if they feel obligated to be respectful to the source

material the only joke that really bothered me in it is uh there's a giant shot of all these superheroes and uh whoever rainier wolf castle is playing is holding up a sign that says this is what happens when disney buys marvel and fox and guys it's been almost two years you can't make those jokes anymore hey it feels new to them you know yeah it just it feels like the prisoners scrawling graffiti about the guards and their selves uh yeah it doesn't really work anymore the uh you know the tone of it was like loki going ew i'm here like this place is gross i hate this place the springfield's bad those were the jokes it wasn't the knives weren't out towards marvel it was more of self-deprecating on the simpsons parts and how they're like oh

we've got marvel people now isn't this cool for us kind of much more that vibe yeah well also if you haven't seen the loki show there's like five jokes in it that are just like well you didn't this is all jokes about the loki series which i guess at least it as a commercial for the loki show on disney plus it works well in that regard yeah again it's not for me and i was thinking like if the simpsons did a one piece shorts or something like that how would i feel about it yes i i think i would think it was cool that these characters were animated in simpsons style but what i think it's just a commercial for one piece probably if disney bought that property uh i just want to see more uh just again it does feel kind of toothless but

these things are not engineered to be parodies making fun of the content. It's meant to say, wouldn't it be neat if this happened? Or this is just to create awareness of this other thing you can watch. Also, I just feel, you know, David Silverman directed this one too. And from reading his tweets and seeing an interview we'll talk about later in this, it sounds like these are just produced on such an awful timetable for him that it's like you're not getting david silverman's best work i think david silverman's a genius and probably like the best director uh the simpsons ever had uh our top three and to give him like okay six

weeks do this thing that has a ton of design it's like i or however many weeks but it definitely sounded like a fast turnaround uh i feel for him you know he can do much better work than that if they want to win oscars with this crap then then they need to give him some time i have no issues with how it looks because i know the uh the schedule is very tight there's some cool animation in it even though i don't know the characters that well but you're right it seems like he has to do a lot of stuff at the last minute especially things like this and the conan piece it feels like oh this could go viral let's get david in like well david silverman's in his 60s guys let him work a little you know give him more time please yeah yeah it's i mean i hope he's getting paid a lot to be on retainer is just like

the go-to guy to make this stuff because it it honestly like he's co-director of monsters inc you know it's like this feels almost a little beneath him i'd say to do to do the viral things yeah the one interesting thing that you called out here henry that i saw is that al jean wanted to have stanley in the short because uh stanley was on an episode maybe i don't know 15 years ago something sometime in the early aughts and they had a ton of audio from him that they could have easily put in his cartoon character version's mouth but marvel that's a no-no for them that's something they'd shut down immediately yeah apparently feige put the kibosh on it uh it's uh as as gene said it it was like this hard rule of no more stanley cameos even if it's just like a visual one because uh they feel they want to respect

his legacy or whatever so the there were posthumous cameos that came out of him uh but they were ones you know recorded when he was alive that he had agreed to so i i can understand that and gene was very agreeable he wasn't like the way it came up in the news was him saying and they said we couldn't do that and that's great i understand it like he was not saying uh they were jerks i had it's great stan lee bit yeah he's always very diplomatic but oh yeah when when stan lee was in that spider-man video game uh from three years ago was he still alive the last time he was in a spider-man video game i think he was oh actually yeah because the ps4 spider-man game i do believe it came out after his death but only very slightly or if uh yeah because it has this like pause on his face in the screen scene where it lasts just a little

too long and it's that moment of here's the last time you'll see stan lee like yeah this is him goodbye stan we love you yeah it's i admit it's uh that guy lived i thought he'd make it to 100 it's it's really too bad. Yeah. But yeah, I guess in time we'll get around to the Stanley episode of The Simpsons. We're getting close. That's one of my favorite commentaries ever because I've said it a million times. But just Al Jean letting his inner nerd fly and showing that he is just as pedantic as any Simpsons nerd. But about old Marvel comics with Stanley.

Yes. The right to judge us. Yeah. So moving on more about Al Jean, there was a recent Screen Rant article in which not a lot of information about this, but it's talk of the Simpsons movie, a possible sequel, and Al Jean wanting it to be a theatrical release,

not as part of the streaming model, because as we all know, in 2007, there were like VODs. Netflix was in the early era of streaming things but movies were not uh simul released in streaming and theaters but now we're in a different era disney has the premiere access i think is what it's called yeah yeah things yeah um but we don't know and they don't know what form it will take but al jean wants it to be in theaters and uh i knowing what we know about

the production of that movie again i think we said it before the show would have to shut down for them to make a movie i think yeah i mean it really should have uh based on how hard it was for every single person involved it sounded like it definitely should have in the first place of just shut down like just just take a year off from making the series and have every hand on deck for the movie and well this time they wouldn't have access to rich more for the to be a co-director which like he was absolutely necessary to get the movie to the level of quality it was yeah it's true yeah and everyone is like 15 to 18 years older now than they were making a movie originally so that's a lot uh the energy's

a lot lower so i feel if it ever happens i don't know what it would be but i hope that they take a hiatus or are allowed to to make it because otherwise it's either not going to happen or it will be of a lower quality because they have to produce 22 episodes on top of a movie but i guess they're not doing a video game and a ride at the same time this time that was true insanity i loved hearing that from our friend tim kalpakis about like oh yeah you work ride at the same time this time that was true insanity i loved hearing that from our friend tim kalpakis about like oh yeah you work here at the craziest time ever all these things i i yeah and i i think too i i like that algin is like no it's got to be theatrical if it's if it's just going to be a streaming thing then it does not he wants the prestige of the theater i

know that that's the deal with the the last i heard a bit about it with the bob's burgers movie they're like it's done it's just finished but uh lauren bouchard said like this if it was just on a streaming app it just it's a big episode of the show like it doesn't feel important they want you to be able to see it in a theater with other people i really feel like uh and i love the guy but i feel like james l brooks really wants one more oscar before he goes out yeah i feel like uh and i love the guy but i feel like james l brooks really wants one more oscar before he goes out yeah i feel like he's gonna make sure it happens while he's still around but uh i really don't know again how like whether the logistics behind this they're thirsty for that oscar but they really if again they gotta if they want to try to get that shorts they gotta uh pick up that shorts game you know they really got to and so henry i did i did miss some of this you'll have

to fill me in uh there was a comic-con happened uh it was all remote correct another comic-con from home two years in a row no san diego yep yeah sad although uh the next big con that will happen is packs and it was just announced that you need your vaccination card to get into packs the penny arcade expo well that's good that's good that needs to be normalized at these cons you know especially if they're going to be in i mean that's honestly should be the state or federal government demanding these things but they of course everything gets left up to a goddamn business in america instead so but yeah they uh no no comic con again this year there they hope to do it in san diego next year two years off from San Diego I I kind of miss it now honestly I

miss I know you know I don't think you ever liked comic con oh that's the one convention I was never sent to ever I don't know why I think it's because I worked at websites with that much of a budget so if we're going to do conventions it would be PAX and E3 for video game stuff I I did it four or five times professionally and uh you know the more access i got to the people i like the more i had fun at it but but it is it's a good time as a as a convention i never though i never went to one simpsons panel like that's kind of embarrassing i guess uh but but you know that was when I was working professionally for like a website, it was pre our podcast. And also I at that time I was like, what do I care about New Simpsons?

Like that's though now I'm more interested than ever in New Simpsons. I feel like they are getting better. I mean, look, it's not good. It's not it's not good as the as our childhoods. No, but I think they're trying. They're trying lots of new things, it seems like, based on all of this news including uh one of the thing that stood out to me was that uh they're doing a five segment treehouse of horror yes yeah i guess for a while because of the new act structure the commercial structure of the show they've been four stories

for a while i think the way they're so they showed one full uh aljean presented it as we're showing one full act of it right here of the five uh and it was maurice lamarche's vincent price reading uh basically an edward gory style story of a poem about bart and it's about two minutes long so i think their segments are really just going to be seen before the uh seen before the credits segment one and then four uh three acts and then the fourth act after right before the the credits uh thing so i think that's how that's going to be a five acts treehouse but yeah and another piece of news about uh they're going to be making their first fully musical episode which i wonder what their criteria is because i can think of a few that I would qualify as fully musical.

So I'm guessing this means there's no spoken lines of dialogue in this episode? Selman seemed to present it as wall-to-wall singing, like as completely singing, no breaks in it. And also, you know, we've talked about it before, Marge's singing voice and how we've said, like, Julie K cavner did not pick a voice she would think she'd be singing in a bunch and uh not it's not into her 70s either uh and and so they were clear of like hey we love marge's voice but uh let's get we wanted to give julie a break and so kristen bell uh will be marge's singing voice the the disney princess herself kristen bell uh yeah that's and that's the season 33 premiere episode as well that's coming up then right uh yeah i mean september ish yeah and also in other news uh coming out of comic-con there's going to be

another two-parter i think the only two-parter uh after who shot mr burns was the great fatsby yes the next one yeah and honestly it sounds bad oh you know what there was uh one in the last year about the the church yeah yeah sorry about that uh so this is now their fourth one but i uh okay so i'm a regular viewer of fargo so the tv show version of it though i also regularly watch that film and so hey a two-parter that's a fargo type story that seems to center around ned based on the title and it's going to have a bunch of uh guest stars who were on fargo and other prestige it seems to be built around just talking about prestige limited series detective shows which you know are all the rage now uh and uh yeah eliza i was trying to look up who's wrote that uh musical episode it's elizabeth keenan uh keeman averick

a new writer to the series apparently who'd uh had written for oh well that totally makes sense on her imdb first credit uh producer on crazy ex-Girlfriend, which is like a musical show. That's right. That makes sense. That's a good get then. But, and yeah, that two-parter is directed by one of the guests who was on the Comic-Con panel, Debbie Mahan, who is, she's worked on the show for years at this point, but is a first-time director on that Fargo two-parter.

And it was nice seeing, you know, like a woman director as part of the conversation this time yeah there are so few in animation uh and especially the simpsons yes yeah and the the panel started with yardley smith asking an almost uncomfortable question where she said she pretended it was a fan question but it was actually her question of when do when will you do an episode where lisa hangs out with the rock because she wants she wants to meet the rock and then carolyn amine and selman were like well we have we're trying to get in contact with the rock's people yardley okay we're trying ah boy you know he does feel like someone who might be too big for the show i kind of think he is like he's uh they couldn't get tom cruise in the 90s after hearing he wanted to do the show yeah yeah and that's when James L Brooks you know was a guy you wanted to do favors for

to get an Oscar or something bro The Rock doesn't need them I mean yeah they they're gonna have to work real hard to get The Rock they're gonna have to make an episode that's just an ad for his Terramana tequila brand oh boy they're all getting into that racket aren't they yeah yeah I'd rather own his Terramana I'm a Pass Amigos guy. I think that's the Clooney brand. That is. No, I got to go. I got to stick with the Rock, man.

He's got to go with the pro wrestler who will be our next president in 2032. I'm pretty sure he'll be president. He will make fiscal responsibility seem cool, and he will put the people's elbow on entitlements, I think. I always said that he'd be a Republican, but the way, you know, if he's going to follow responsibility seem cool and he will put the people's elbow on entitlements i think i always said that he'd be a republican but the way you know if he's gonna follow biden's style of democrat while the republicans just go full trump then i guess he'll probably just be a conservative democrat in the biden style i suppose i would not be surprised at all uh is that all the comic-con stuff oh well the last thing i'd say to listeners uh if they want to

have fun with it you know the news is fun and all that and uh it's cool to hear them answer questions but the best part of it is actually that they play pictionary together they they set off on teams where it is the three directors mike b anderson dav Silverman, and Debbie Mahan, they are partnered with the three writers who are on it, Selman, Al Jean, and Carolyn Omine. And so the director draws a character and they have to guess who they're drawing and do it as fast as possible. And it's really fun to see professional Simpsons artists play Simpsons Pictionary. It's a good time. I always love seeing directors on those DVD commentaries or those DVD extras where they can just draw on the screen with a light pen.

How effortlessly they can just draw every character and just like things in the background. It's great. I liked when they were drawing Elisa and I was like, oh, I see the circle you draw of Lisa and then the hair you're drawing around her. But also like the challenge for them to have to draw it like freehand and fast instead of taking as much care as they would. Yeah. So we have another Simpsons predicted, not really headline in that the Simpsons predicted that Richard Branson was going into space or that he would go into space because when they did an episode about him he was starting his space company so the fact that he went into space was a foregone conclusion but this is the file this into simpsons predicted not really category yeah these ones really piss me off where they just have a guy i mean in general i think both of us uh think if if billionaires are going to go into space they shouldn't come back let's just say stay there yeah stay there experience space madness and stay there uh but i to have these

articles like i saw so many i mean i think a lot of the clickbait industry now is runs on did simpsons predict blank articles and so this one though is just so annoying because it's like yeah when they had on richard branson who's like you know an annoying smiling billionaire who cares who who's very invested in his brand his brand for a decade plus has been virgin space he's like yeah i'm gonna do i'm gonna go into space me richard branson and then other people who are slightly less rich than me but certainly rich they can come too that was the joke in the episode that he's in space because he wants to do it this is just a completion of a plan he had announced it is not a prediction yeah yeah yeah i mean that that episode that i think it was called the what

was it called again the uh whatever season 25 episode he was on yes but uh yeah it just it was part of his pr for his company for him at least yeah that's why uh the war of art that's the name of the episode okay you know when it comes to space weirdos with too much money i'm putting my money on uh lord british the guy who made the ultimate game hey yeah he's the guy that like that's the latin the first thing i heard about him after those games is that he was trying to go into space it was way before elon musk and uh jeff bezos space cowboy and uh richard branson so my money's on that man he should have done it well because neither bezos nor branson have actually like for real gone to space it's just suborbital yeah it's like who cares man you've

and if you see like the bezos one after that like cnn just did commercials for him all day they're like they were reporting all day from where in houston they did it like cnn just did commercials for him all day they're like they were reporting all day from where in houston they did it like it was just like a goddamn it is so annoying and i hate i hate that the simpsons had to be pulled into it with these predicted articles well you know at some point we are going to get to the one with elon musk that has his name in the title and who knows what will happen to that man in the time remaining between this time and when we get to that episode i wonder i wonder but also i guess in happier news uh there there's a slight delay but it's still happening and henry i know you're clearing space for this currently yes you're finding room uh the simpsons arcade cabinet made by the great

one-up company who makes the uh the replicas of old arcade cabinets. That's coming. You can pre-order that on August 16th. I believe it was announced for July previously. Yeah, they had said it was going to be July 16th as pre-orders, and then quietly it just stopped. And then there was this weird moment where I think Arcade 1UP wanted to officially announce it during the Comic-Con at home, but they had announced it. People knew about it.

And so their Twitter had to go like, well, it's not not officially announced yet so we don't have a pre-order date it's like what what uh but then like two hours before this podcast recording uh they posted on on yahoo.com they officially announced it of like okay august 16th pre-orders are open. You know, it'll look real. You build it yourself kind of thing. So I plan is still to buy it. I don't think I'll be assembling it. I think it will just stay in a box until, at least until 2022, I think.

But I'm already making room in the old closet for it. But yes, I mean, six likely to be $650 because that's how much the other four-player ones were. I don't know if that – how many listeners out there will pay $650 for a thing that plays one game, a Simpsons arcade? I know, two. Oh, yes. Simpsons Bowling. That's right. I'm sure there are three people who want to play that.

I'm sure everyone who buys a cabinet will just turn that on for about a minute and then go back to Simpsons Bowling? I'm sure there are three people who want to play that. I'm sure everyone who buys a cabinet will just turn that on for about a minute and then go back to Simpsons Arcade Game. And then once they beat the Simpsons Arcade Game, I'm like, well, I'll play that again in three years, unless a friend comes over. Then we'll play it. But that attracts his screen. Oh, boy, that's going to light up my living room for hours.

Just screaming all the time. So finally, our final bit of news, we have news about another podcast that is the round springfield podcast formerly known as everything's coming up simpsons formerly known as everything's coming up podcast so ali gertz and julia prescott uh they've been on our show they're on one of our live shows we've talked about them plenty in the past they had a competing simpsons podcast not really we're all friends all buddies but their round springfield interview series just ended and they did a final episode that included a lot of comments from people who

have been on the show and we have a little clip on there but obviously check out the entire round Springfield run of episodes they talked to a lot of people including Matt Groening I think Conan was their holdout yeah I was I was disappointed in Conan because the message was out there yeah and he's getting into podcast he really should uh you know and they know folks who know conan but he's i guess well i was gonna say he's a busy man but now he's like spending time with his family or whatever he's not so busy yeah come on conan you have a podcast you got to get out there you got to talk about your patreon right but but getting matt graining's first ever podcast interview you know that's that's a that's a high to go out on for sure i i and then he said they went for like over two hours with him it's amazing it's it's very impressive they got graining and and for that long but yeah we're they uh ali

julia such nice pals to us i uh i heard ali tell a funny story on their final episode about when um after we recorded with them the first time and me and you and her uh and ally had uh had some lunch uh she mentioned that when she had said to us like oh and you know we can't go forever she thought that we looked at her like dumbstruck like wait what wait, what? You wouldn't stop? What? You have other things to do? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, it was three years ago, actually, that we did one of our first L.A. trips. I think it was our first. Yeah. And we were on their podcast at Maximum Fun, and they did one of ours in the same recording studio. And that was a great way to kick off a series of great L.A. trips that I hope we'll be doing again soon. Yeah, they were such good pals. And even though they don't have a podcast anymore, they say, you know, hey, next time you're in town, we'll hang out in the Springfield section of Universal. We'll get them on a podcast because you can't escape.

No, no. Maybe, you know, after if they take like two, three months off, they'll be like, I need to talk about The Simpsons with you guys. I know as soon as I get back to the States, I will feel like podcasting. Back to telling everyone about my opinions instead of just my wife. So that's all for Simpsons news. As for news about us, you heard a bit of it up front, but we're taking a bit of a vacation right now. And we want to thank everyone out there again for supporting us because if you didn't support us we couldn't have these weird schedules or we can set our own you know schedules our own recording dates and work way way ahead so again we are we've recorded things up through the fall which gives us a lot of time to uh recharge a bit uh do some stuff behind the scenes and uh

just relax because it was a stressful six months you know getting through covid and uh thinking about what's going to happen afterwards so we thank you for supporting us during that time i hope everyone out there is doing better too this is a much better summer so far yeah better side you know it's it's uh it's still tough out there for some folks but uh yeah it's been this has been a nice month for us you know uh where i've been making plans for my first trips as well. Well, I did Disneyland, and now at the end of this, in the end of August, I'm flying out to Chicago for a bunch of wrestling. And then plus we're going to go to the California Great Adventure,

Great America, whatever, in San Jose. So it's a local amusement park I've never been to because it's mainly about roller coasters, which is not... I need theming. I don't need roller coasters which is not i need theming i don't need roller coasters but i'm also a baby on top of that also that yeah i don't want to two loops no thank you but uh i had learned they have a mass effect ride there as well that's more of like a seated experience so and so i was like uh my husband's like come on you finally beat all the mass effect let's go there and see

it so i didn't know they had a mass effect right there they do who knows for how long but it's it's more like a mass effect 4d movie but it's it's only there so you know i've been editing ahead on some stuff uh it's been funny to listen to uh like this week we put out a podcast where you were saying we j-Lo came up, and then you mentioned how J-Lo's doing good and Ben Affleck's doing bad, and by the time it came out, they're back together. What the heck? When it comes to J-Lo and Ben Affleck, give it time.

It'll fall apart again. You know, if they're just doing it for us as a throwback, for the people to be like, hey, guys, you get nostalgic for all these things. How about nostalgia for Bennifer? We're back together. You know, historically going back to your ex never really works out in the end. Hey, as a story of like, hey, we're both in our like early fifties, late forties.

Let's see if we can make it work the second time around. That's a, it's a storybook tale. But yeah, it's been a great little vacation for me a staycation uh it's just our we're not doing anything super exciting we're just going to like like two restaurants a day or go out we went to so many breweries we're just living our old life again and uh in vancouver the weather has been amazing i think it only rained like barely one morning before we even left the apartment. So it's been so great here. And I think I think in 2022, that's when I'll start my high impact vacations of Disneyland and thinking about finally doing our honeymoon in Japan.

And I am traveling towards the end of this year because I'll be going to the Midwest Gaming Classic for Retronauts. So that'll be like a vacation trip, more like like you know doing stuff uh on that trip but for now just like uh relaxing and you know the the fun of being served food and uh drinking somewhere other than my couch it's been great and actually tipping a person you see in uh to the face instead of just like seeing them in an uber and going like yeah i gave you i gave you 20 percent bye. I can't rate my servers now. You know, I read our local newspaper in Berkeley, Berkeley side. They had this article of like, oh, customers are awful right now kind of thing. But I still was annoyed at it because it was like they only interviewed the people who own the restaurant. So I wanted to hear like journalists talk to a server server talk to one server and hear their opinion

here's the thing um my experience here has been that service here is worse uh post pandemic or whatever you want to call this uh winding down a pandemic uh pre-delta explosion who knows what we're calling it but i honestly think yes service is worse but the explanation is there's no way to gauge demand so people aren't uh hiring back as fast or people have found other jobs outside of food service they don't want to do food service anymore so there are not enough people working at restaurants but i'm not mad about it i totally understand why but it's noticeably worse but it's not awful but i can understand why some people are like well people are lazy and they don't want to come to their jobs. But no, if you look at it, just like they don't know how long this period will last.

They don't want to hire a ton of people. We know from working jobs and everyone else out there should know. I tweeted about this. I got a lot of agreement that the last thing any manager wants to do ever is hire someone. Absolutely not. Yeah. Well, and on top of that,'ve uh to take a thing from one of our previous guests matt chrisman he has this point of like you know that for regular folks who

work a job like it's just humiliation at every point and the one time you get to feel like a big man like one of your awful managers is when you can boss around a person at a restaurant and if you take that away from some awful people it just makes them even worse they're like i can't even torture a person at my waiter at a restaurant now i get to be the boss on the weekends yeah exactly yeah i mean yeah the worst of it was just like i want another beer it's taking too long let's just go it's fine yeah things will eventually come back to normal but like i did notice that there aren't really enough people working at restaurants but i totally get why i'm not mad about it

absolutely not no but uh yeah it's been it's been a fantastic break and we have a great schedule coming up for the what a cartoon podcast our sister podcast the talking simpsons and um we are doing a non-cartoon to kick off the month of August, but I don't think anyone will be mad because we are doing The Muppet Show available on Disney+. And the episode is The Stars of Star Wars. So, yes, it is low-hanging fruit, but it's also a very fun episode with all of your friends who are now, they're all owned by Disney now. Yes. It's so perfect. I thought that was the perfect episode to do because it is one of those ones that's like, oh, this has three different characters from three different companies.

They end the show singing a Disney song, and little did they know in 1980 when they were singing that song that they'd all be owned by the same company within 30 years. It's a very fun, goofy episode. And we talked a lot about the Muppets on our Muppet Babies one, but now we can really geek out on that one about our history with the show and just how weird and cool it was and, you know, Jim Henson, all the fun stuff. So that's coming up, and I believe that's a patron pick. So we're going through a lot of patron picks since we phased out some of the request tiers. So we'll be finishing those off throughout the fall, I believe. And coming up after that on What a Cartoon, we are finally covering C-Lab 2021.

We must do it before the year 2021 is over. And of course, the episode we're doing is Bizarro. Don't you mean Bizarro doing? Yes, we're Bizarro podcasting about C-Lab 2021. And I promise you that we will do the Br brack show before the year is up because we have to cover all the initial adult swim shows for the before the 20th anniversary hits and i want to do the brack show but yeah this is one of the last ones we have to do because we've done space ghost and harvey birdman and aqua teen and uh cowboy bebop cowboy bebop yeah we've covered almost all

of them except for this in the brack show oh yeah andies, yeah. That's right. So really excited. We recorded that one. It was a lot of fun, and looking forward to everyone hearing that about C-Lab. And finally, because you chose it, we are ending our summer of the Disney Renaissance for our What a Cartoon Movie podcast with The Lion King,

obviously the biggest Disney movie before Frozen. We're going to have a lot of thoughts about that, and I'm excited to finally cover this movie because I really like it obviously not as much of a hunchback that we just put that out and that is our longest podcast ever but i do like this one a lot as well i can't wait to complete the circle of life and also i i didn't you know we didn't intend it but it's just turned into a katzenberg podcast now like it's the cats and cats the cats and cats you know he's not doing anything we can get him on uh yeah we tell him like please don't listen to any podcast we've done about you but we'd love to interview you jeffrey please be uh not a quibby but a lobey it'll be a long bite

uh if we told him like hey we'll be nice to you forever if you give us two million dollars like now one million me and you just 500 000 each i'd do it i'd be like sign up for the patreon jeffrey it's fine yes please uh but yes uh in case you don't know uh people on the free feed and the five dollar feed uh will get the extended free preview of that uh usually an hour long and then if you're on the ten dollar feed you'll get the entire thing usually three to five hours long so that is is how that works out. Complete the circle of life with us at the end of August. And it's been a great summer full of quality movies after a spring of lesser movies.

Also the second Monday of the month, we'll be talking Futurama on the Monday slot for people on the $5 tier. And that episode will be that's lobster attainment, a very critique episode written by a critic writer, directed by a critic director animated by rough draft who animated the critic we liked it a lot yeah we had a lot of we had lots of fun with that especially the la subway jokes those are my favorites and also a brief announcement in that because we have a new what a cartoon schedule which started in july august has five mondays and during months with five mondays one monday will just be a free

spot with no content and that will be happening in august so do not be alarmed if on one monday there's nothing there that will be the fourth monday of august uh i recommend listen to an old episode we have tons of them yeah yeah i've never heard before i'm sure you've skipped a couple like give them a listen yeah yes uh so yeah that's the schedule for what a cartoon please check it out and also this is belated news that i felt very very bad about yes yeah i uh so yeah that's the schedule for what a cartoon please check it out and also this is belated news that i felt very very bad about yes yeah i'm so sorry and in the background uh my wife nina matsumoto you know her you know you love her uh she she developed an amazing website for us it is talking simpsons podcast.com and if you go there uh it's so well designed you can stream

every free episode from that website. You can see all of our old show posters. You can see photos from some of our old shows. All the contact information is there. It looks amazing. And again, apologies to Nina. I totally forgot to mention it during the last talk to the audience. And everyone has loved the website so far.

So thanks again to Nina for doing that. Yes. Thank you so much, Nina. The TalkingSimpsonsPod podcast.com uh I've sent people to it all right you know sometimes we get the the friendly question of hey how do I listen to all the episodes that uh don't show up in the on you know some podcast apps the old episodes well now it's easy to just say I go to talking simpsonsPodcast.com. All the free versions of every episode we've done is right there on the website. They're very easy to find.

So, yes, please check that out. Bookmark it. And everything you need to know about us is there. Also, you know, oh, you know, that reminds me. I want to thank Nina, too, for that. The new things in the Discord, the stickers for us, the emotes of us. Oh, yeah, yeah. We have a lot of, yes, if you're not in Discord, you got to get in there, buddy.

It's on the $5 and up level if you're a patron. And lots of fun chat is happening in there. We have tons of new emojis, emotes, whatever you call them. And Nina uploaded a few of them. There's one of you, me, her, and the space coyote, and a few other ones as well. And I uploaded a bunch, too, from some other forums I used to visit, some fun emojis. Some folks have been having some fun with combining me and an air fryer as well, like the air fryer emoji and my emoji.

We're being too cruel to Henry because he has not mentioned an air fryer in a long time. You know, I still use it sometimes on skinless, lower-calorie stuff, but I'm not having not having hot pockets in it anymore that bill oakley's a bad influence on you he's oh he is man his review he just did a review of uh popeye's chicken nuggets and i was like hmm boy that sounds good maybe if i don't eat anything else that day if i still ate chicken i'd be i'd be beaten down the door of every chicken sandwich chicken nugget place because it's a it's a chicken renaissance yeah we're having so moving on uh let's talk about our what a cartoon movie poll for September and honestly doing the Hunchback of Notre Dame

gave me this idea because looking where all of the animators from that went and other Disney movies went they all went to DreamWorks to make 2D movies and that's what we're covering for September your choice between uh the Prince of Egypt, The Road to El Dorado, Spirit, Stallion of the Cimarron, or Sinbad, Legend of the Seven Seas. I have not seen any of these. Wow. And I'm interested to know how good they look, how Katzenberg-y they are, and how much they are trying to bite that Disney Renaissance feeling. In all four cases, I did see them in my youth and i kind of took it for granted i was like yeah theatrical 2d animation it looks as good i guess and now

i look back it's like the last like breaths of it like shrek murdered this like and but this is as good as it gets like if you just if you want to see what's the best fire animation there ever has been in 2d it's probably prince of egypt if you want to see some of the best horse animation there ever was spirit stallion of the cimarron is it like it it doesn't get any better than those even if the stories are weak in some ways uh And Rotel Dorado, meanwhile, from seeing it in my feed from some horny artists, it is a bisexual dream because people either like the very thick lady who's in it or the two guys who are just pals in it.

And hey, Kevin Kline's in it, right? Yes, yeah. He's basically playing Phoebus pretty much. I'm on board. Not to weigh the scales or anything here but yes that'll be happening in september look forward to it and can you believe it we are now about to do our fall of 2021 miniseries it's coming up and we have a fun selection for you some of these have appeared in the past so we'll talk about the four selections you'll get to vote for soon if you're a five dollar

and up patron you can hear these and all of the other miniseries at patreon.com talking simpsons by the way and the fall miniseries are uh daria season one we've covered one episode of daria so we'll cover the rest uh our batman the animated series top 10 between us we'll choose our 10 favorite episodes cover those duckman top 10 same thing but with duckman obviously i've been when duckman happened for a long time and i'm okay with being disappointed again because better shows are on this poll and also our cowboy bebop top 10 as well so we're doing three top tens and also uh possibly daria season one so patrons will get to choose and those will roll out probably through uh from october till the end of the year once we get around to recording those so yeah this is our um our fall of 2021 miniseries we're really excited to go back to the miniseries well the last one we did was talking of the hill season two part one and i think uh fall of 2020 was futurama season two part one

that is correct yeah we've you know i our miniseries now this i believe this is the first time we've done a poll without king of the hill or future futurama on it uh because those usually won except for the one time mission hill one that was the one time that was shocking but i'm glad it happened oh yeah yeah i uh yeah i i i'm looking forward to all of these you know i do really like i'm looking forward to if one if not daria wins the top 10 format is interesting to me because, you know, going in order in chronological order is really fun. But, you know, to just get like, hey, we can only talk about these 10. Let's have our favoritest Duckmans or our favoritest Batmans or Cowboy Bebopmans. Although, just picking our top 10 seems like a fun challenge in itself.

Yeah. Yeah, actually, we were on like a little mini trip while we were here in a hotel. And the first Riddler episode of the Batman was on and we watched it. And I was like, I really want to talk about Batman. So who knows? I'm sure we'll get to do more Batman, whether we do it now or later. But I'm in the mood for all of these, frankly. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. You know, the older you get, the more you identify with Edward Nygma and see him as not evil in the mood for all of these frankly oh yeah yeah it's you know the older you get the more you identify with Edward Nygma and see him as not evil in the slightest in that episode I have breaking news or actually it might be breaking old Nina is just DMing me now as of this recording we're recording on Thursday

sorry Tuesday July 27th 2021 and today is the 14th anniversary of the Simpsons movie whoa 14 years ago i left the movie theater very angry and you went to type away at your computer later in life i would podcast about it three times yes look forward to podcast number four coming up in i don't know three or four years still not for any of our venues just for our friends but yeah i think but hey if you haven't listened yet that we hate movies with me and bob this is a perfect excuse to do it if you still haven't.

So now we're going to move on to things we're playing and watching not for podcasts because we do that sometimes. And actually for me, it's been pretty light because I found out I was coming to Canada soon after our last talk to the audience. And I had another trip before that as well so i've been very busy but i have been playing a few things and what i have been playing is uh so i finished the first famicom detective club game for the switch it's a remake of a game that never came out in america and i'm halfway through the second they are dated obviously but i really enjoyed them and it is a very good time for Japanese mystery games in America because coming out soon is the Great Ace Attorney Chronicles it's coming out uh on the 27th of

July so I recommend that heartily I'm looking forward to that so if you enjoy Japanese adventure games there's never been a better time if you own a Switch it's wild how many are finally coming out in america yeah it's i i never thought the uh the sherlock holmes or herlock sholmes uh ace attorney would be coming here it's interesting to see for the famicom games oh what does how does the metroid team make an adventure game and then you can see like oh this is why the metroid guy puts so much story into later games he really likes writing stories and you know it doesn't really belong in the metroid series but god bless him maybe one of these days we'll get portopia as well an official portopia release i square team i i kind of think it might happen and uh lots of things are being remade right now like as as we record this the first

of the final fantasy pixel remasters is coming out or has come out okay i think the first of the Final Fantasy Pixel remasters is coming out or has come out. Oh, okay. I think the first one might be out or it's coming out in a few days. So it's a good time to enjoy old games. As for new games, I know you play this as well, Henry. I played the Yuffie content for Final Fantasy VII Remake. I think it's Final Fantasy VII Remake Integrate Intermission is the full title. I think that is correct. Yes. Yeah.

I did enjoy it. i do like yuffie i do honestly wonder is every character playable in the game going to find themselves in midgar until the next one comes out uh you know it's what if what if sid was here at the same time wouldn't that be fun it's just like can you please just make more environments but yes it was fun it was 20 bucks but it was also it took me like seven hours so i thought it was uh i thought it would just be a few hours i just get to play with you fee but uh yeah it was really cool yeah i you know i think my final clock was nine hours just because i really liked that mini game in it uh which then i found out is a mini game in ff14 that uh now i should just be playing that oh which mini game was it i must have missed it uh the uh you know the battle game the point of uh point fight or whatever oh yeah yeah the four four condor four condor that's it

thank you i couldn't believe they remade that janky rts from the original game and it was fun it was fun i played the heck out of it yeah four condor was was tons of fun i had to beat everybody in the well not on hard mode though i only did only did it in regular. Yeah, I, you know, it also did, you're right, it has the energy of one of those old Star Wars books that are like, did you know offscreen Boba Fett was actually looking at Luke over there? Like, he was just offscreen in Tatooine. Same deal. But, yeah, there's some really funny stuff in there. I guess I don't want to spoil too much, but, like but Yiffy has a really funny reveal in the middle of the game that I just love.

And there's some real comedy to it in character. I just forgot just how much I really love the remakes, you know, characterization of everybody. Like, it feels so natural. And there also is Kingdom Hearts-ness, especially near the end it kingdom hearts out hardcore it's creeping in it's creeping in and here's what'll happen um but yeah that's everything i've been playing as for watching i don't want to go over this uh too long because

i've been watching a ton of movies especially since i got here because i have not been to the theater since uh you know what did i see last uh Jojo Rabbit in February or March of 2020, right before the pandemic. And yeah, so my first movie in theaters was the Demon Slayer movie. Wow. So it was very savvy of them to make a movie that just continued the TV show, I will say.

A huge part of why it was famous and successful, that movie, is because of that and also COVID too. That helped a lot. Breaking records worldwide, that is, man. Number one movie in Japan of all time right now. So the thing is, it's for a very specific audience. You have to have seen the first season so far. There's no second season

because the movie is kind of the second season or at least like a fourth of a second season. It does not really stand alone as a movie. You're kind of just watching what feels like six episodes strung together. And that way it's not satisfying but if you just want to see where the story goes after the first season it's it's a fun movie with good animation i'm so used to anime films being the movie island and they meet movie guy and his movie daughter who secretly is helping him or whatever of course they'll meet again right after this yeah they'll

always well hey the character is leaving the island he says i'll never forget you they must Lee is helping him or whatever. And of course they'll meet again, right? After this? Yeah, they'll always... Hey, the character is leaving the island and he says, I'll never forget you. They must mean that. Yeah. I'll see you again in the form of merchandise. But yeah, I'm seeing a lot of movies. We saw The Terminator in theaters too,

a 4K remaster of that. We're seeing a lot more in the future while I'm here. We're seeing Rear Window. We're seeing Raiders of the Lost Ark. We're also seeing... Oh, you're seeing Lupin soon, aren't you? Thank you. Yes, that's the third one I couldn't remember.

The new 4K restoration of Castle of Cagliostro. We're seeing that as well. Nice, man. So thank you, Rio Theatre in Vancouver, for staying open. They really struggled, but they survived. And I guess like other things I've been watching, I've watched a lot of movies. I'm sorry if this is going on too long. i saw escape from new york for the first time i can

see how it influenced like every video game ever and i want to do a retronauts about it i absolutely yeah watch reanimator for the first time in like a decade nina never saw it it's great it's fun it's gory it's like an evil dead style movie and uh yeah i saw the good the bad and the ugly for the first time because nina really wanted to show it to me uh i needed two bathroom breaks to get through it but i was never bored or never surprised by how much of the movie was left at the end and now i'm excited i can watch the other two and they're not as long but yeah great it's rare that i like i i am 90 minutes and i'm done for most movies but i i give that movie permission to be three hours long it it

earns a i i you're turning into a cowboy viewer, Bob. I haven't seen Good, the Bad, and the Ugly in full probably in 10 years at least. You know, it's something. The other two films are great. Like, the man with no name is just a great main character. But I also watched Good, the Bad, and the the ugly first and then the other two uh when i first saw him and you really do miss tuco like he is such a funny like asshole i love him he turns on him like five times in the movie it's so great uh he's too trusting that that man with no

name but uh yeah i'm really excited to watch the other ones but yeah that was it and uh yeah tons of movies some things I'm forgetting. We're going to watch more movies while I'm here. But it's been a great time to be at the movies. And again, my first time back in a long, long time. So it was worth the wait. Well, also, Bob, I think I saw from your Twitter, you're seeing stars live and in person in Vancouver, are you not?

You know what? I'm pretty sure Tim Heidecker was next to me at a ramen place. But I looked at his Instagram, I looked at his his twitter there was no evidence of him being in vancouver but you know people film things all the time here and he was in downtown vancouver so it could have been him uh it was very likely it was him or it was a man who looks just like him and is annoyed by people telling him that but i didn't have time to talk to him my plan was to go to the bathroom and when i walked back i could see a better look at his face because he was like right next to me as i was coming back to the bathroom he was leaving so he probably knew this nerd is gonna

talk to me i gotta get the hell out i'm sitting next to a nerdy white guy in his 30s he's he's got he must know who i am i gotta get out of here yeah i gotta run but uh yeah i'm probably not the first uh celebrity sighting i'll have here but it was it was cool to know like possibly tim heidecker was a few feet from me so unfortunately you're getting there right after john cena leaves like he he was i knew he was there for like three months filming uh his first show the his that was why as a wrestling fan i heard like oh john cena can't show up at the show because he's locked down in Vancouver filming this movie. And I saw Rumble in the Bronx for the first time. And Nina was showing me a few of the filming locations.

And I said, well, this is where the tragic hovercraft accident was that took so many lives. That, yeah, it was interesting that we, me and my husband watched Rumble the bronx the same night as you and nina did without intending to it was just uh when we finished watching it because he saw that it was just about to leave hbo max so he's like hey i've never seen it let's watch this i was like yeah i haven't watched this in forever and then once it was over he's like hey nina's tweeting about watching it i was like oh that's insane it'll look like i we ripped off her idea but yeah i guess as for games for me other than the ff7 uh remake dlc which i really did like i finished mass effect 3 i am i played all of mass effect over a two month period i never really played it and uh the ending was bullshit uh but mass effect 3 is still a really good game aside from that ending

and it really uh really pissed me off at the time that mass effect 3 uh seeing the ending now i was like wow how dare they ship this how dare they do this game uh and but now you just remember the good times um and also i played the new mario golffer switch which is totally fine but i hit a wall about three hours into the main storyline of like hey it's the trick course where you got to hit the ball into the cyclone to get it up top and do it and i was just like ah this sucks i i don't like trick courses all this bullshit but i still played about 12 13 hours of i got my money's worth out of it i'll play more of it it's gonna be a podcast game for me, but I was mad. Not mad, but just confused.

They reinvented the swing meter for that game. I was like, it was fine. You don't need to think any harder. It was already figured out 30 years ago. You're good. Camelot perfected it, and they just now feel like they're challenged. Could you improve on perfection? This thing, the click, click, click is just perfect.

It's why, why mess with it? But they must. Live as we're doing this, Nina wrote one thing in my notes because she's here and has access to the notes. One movie I also watched was The Fog, which we watched last night. But I don't have much to say about it. It wasn't, it was okay. It was a John Carpenter movie I hadn't seen yet. Even an okay John Carpenter movie, still good time yeah good music good music oh yeah yeah uh

and and the last game i've been playing uh not a ton but a little bit was pokemon new unite the new moba uh they made with 10 cents and uh my husband uh she's like yeah the appeal of this is if you've literally ever played a moba in your life you will win every match because you are playing against children who don't know what mobas are and don't know how to play them like he wins every match like hundreds of points ahead it's it's i i'm sure the playing field will level out some but if you've ever ever played a mobile before you will likely win in your first games is that only for smartphones that game no it's on switch too it's also on switch yeah i might talk my friends into playing that uh my gaming friends because we're playing heroes of

the storm and i hate every blizzard character i want to play with characters i like uh man i love playing as as a snorlax and uh i'm so tempted to even spend the like actual money on buying a the the hawaiian snorlax costume for the character uh as for watching stuff i i did watch the second space jam movie i did uh you listeners i did i gave you what you wanted which is i watched space jam i hope we never do a space jam 2 podcast because it's so fucking boring like uh yeah you know what i guess it's part of our jobs to be more aware of this i i chose to opt out of this conversation it's your vacation you should yeah uh i'm i'm morbidly curious but i didn't have to watch it because everyone was

tweeting about it and i'm ready to listen to like five podcasts about it and that will be my experience but i'm glad you watched it so lebron is a way better actor than michael jordan i will say that but he wants you to like him too much like he's like hey aren't i the greatest yeah i'm and i'm a family man like he's just he's he's he comes off as almost needy uh and also oh sorry that's the opposite of jordan because jordan's affect in the movie is i don't want to be here yes yeah i actually gambling is the only reason i'll stay around the funniest uh also another hilarious thing about it is uh differences is at the start of space jam when bugs bunny like kidnaps him then bugs just like michael jordan goes like bugs bunny what like he's just like he's he's like why do i care the second lebron james sees bugs but he's like whoa bugs bunny

big hug hey come in here i love you from bugs bunny's crazy castle my favorite game uh it's it's just so weird that bugs bunny uh that lebron is like oh i treat bugs bunny like a person i love and and through transitive properties of me loving him you should love him as well uh and and yes also it starts as an anti-gamer video uh movie that then uh it's really that the story is lebron james learned to learns to love his gamer son oh but but the dumb thing is is like his gamer son has to like make video games to be proved to his dad it's okay it it's like his kids should just say i will be a billionaire the rest of my life because of you what do you care if i play video games all day like yeah just as long as i don't like kill myself with drugs you should be happy yeah be happy as a gamer boy but but yeah it's uh uh and there's there's a couple cute

cameos that i also though couldn't believe these are in trailers so i don't feel like these are spoilers to mention i couldn't believe that this film in 2021 thought sassy granny jokes were so great or also the like porky pig rapping could you imagine that thing i guess crazy the thought yeah you know, something about this movie makes me think, well, I know that a Space Jam 2 was in pre-production or various versions of Space Jam 2 were in production for a long time.

I want to know what remnants of those scripts exist because seeing some of the references they're making makes me think, is this 80% a script written in 99? Or 2001? Like this Matrix thing? I guess matrix is now um old enough to be a reference but now it feels like still it's been referenced too much we need to back away from it for a while but seeing like an extended matrix parody made me think this movie

should have come out in 2004 well you know something like that matrix 4 is it coming so they're trying to warm back up the pump for it you know that actually that was my okay that was my theory too that they assume matrix 4 would be out space jam could be good marketing another thing i heard not to go on too long about space jam the one thing i do want to see is the crowds because it sounds like they send a bunch of people to party max yes and then they basically made animated gifs of them dancing around like a fucking street fighter 2 character in the background or mortal combat or something the crowd very distracting it's insanely distracting because they're lit like the same level like that you know if you look close at the crowds in the original space jam they look like shit like you you have this hilarious like screenshot of just like

a girl's face plastered onto a turtle from a real space jam. But in this one, it's just like, hey, you remember what the penguin looked like at the end of Batman Returns where here is a guy dressed exactly like him standing next to Don Cheadle and he's gesticulating wildly. It's like, I can't pay attention to Don Cheadle. That guy is right there screaming. Yeah, it sounds like they don't even do any shtick with these characters.

They're just in a cheer animation loop for their entire existence. Oh, yeah, they're just there to be seen. Also, it's like, God, I mean, it's every obvious joke you'd have made. The only thing that surprised me was there's a cameo related to the Tasmanian Devil that I was like oh huh i didn't expect them to be in here uh that the viewers have seen i don't want to spoil it because it's one of the few moments where i was like oh hey how do you like that like maybe maybe you tweeted about the scenery it does show how times have changed and that there is very little uh

tasmanian devil or marvin the martian yeah in the movie and we were all we were all becoming tazified and martian in the 90s you know the 90s were taz's time it was it was the extreme time for taz and he's he i like i looked up old i was like do i misremember this that taz was that important because he doesn't have a ton of scenes in in regular space jam but when i searched like original like vintage space jam merchandise on on ebay it was like taz everywhere like taz was bigger than bugs and daffy on that gear everyone loved them i didn't think marvin was that big until someone pointed it out and they made me remember there's a ton of merch and marvin really uh you know represents the american character in that i may seem meek but

if you make me angry i'll pull my gun out and shoot you and kill you and that's what marvin's all about and also i go to places and claim it is mine yes exactly colonialist uh but yeah i also i watched rumble in the bloronks and police story uh great jackie chanday for us and uh also i got into gundam a little bit because gundam hathaway the uh which had been a book for the longest time, which is basically a sequel to Char's Counterattack. It got its own film, put on Netflix. I watched it. It's pretty good. The most interesting thing for my husband was that it takes place in the Philippine city of Davao. And so it's a lot of philippine specifics in it which was very interesting uh and it made me so into it i was like i'm gonna buy a gundam model and i'm gonna make it so i saw

that yeah you're becoming a gunpla man you know i started with the child set of an sd new gundam uh so hardly a challenging set but uh but i got even the little tweezers for putting on the stickers that's the part i always hated the most like tweezers for putting on the stickers that's the part i always hated the most like that's a few times i did it that's the part i skipped i'm like ah you know what it's fine no textures for you if you're if you're an anxiety ridden person stickers are the worst yes also uh me my husband started i he'd never seen sopranos before watched the first season of sopranos it still rules I hate to be a normie about it but it's like wow this really was the best show like every actor's great every the

dialogue is amazing and and watching the first season there's some weird sloppy stuff in it every now and then but I'm just thinking like god this gets 10 this gets better every season and this is where it starts but look it's normie as hell to say but the sopranos is great that will never leave hbo max uh and i think i think you should leave season two really good check it out if you haven't seen the coffin flops yet and all the other stuff uh there's we watched all of the behind the attraction uh documentary series on on disney plus and it's so frustrating because it's like they actually interview the right people like hey here's Tony Baxter and here's Joe Rohde all the people who made the stuff and it is just like so aggressively edited with just like broings and springs and all these awful sound effects and guys can't say seven words without being interrupted it drives you nuts I'm glad that

I'm not the only crank about this because I felt this way for a long time and i was happy to see our friend scott gerdner podcast the ride complained about this as well because i'm sure he was interested and from the very beginning i wanted to watch these shows and it's not that no work is put into them they get a lot of work put into them yeah they find all the right people but they are destroyed in the editing process because they think you're a dummy yeah they're like the people are getting bored if they hear some if they hear tony baxter say too many words about building the original star tours they're gonna fall asleep uh though this one also unlike the toys that made us which is usually not from the same production company but not made with the creators this is made with disney so there's also the disney editorial hand coming in and the most

obvious is on star tours because it's like 45 minutes long at minute 20 or 25 they say well the original star tours was pretty interesting but it also inspired us to make galaxy's edge and then it just talks about building galaxy's edge i'm like i've seen this i know about galaxy's edge i even think galaxy's edge rules but it's like calm down also hbo max last night i watched there's a documentary on woodstock 99 and if you want to feel ashamed for our generation oh yeah give it a watch give i i was not part of that movement uh but i was i was very aware of it when it was happening. And it seemed like a gross, disgusting pit of mud and fire and hate. Yep. It's a depressing story.

Also maddening because they talked to one of the guys who ran that festival, who part of the reason it fell apart is he literally, like, they had no security. And he was like, security, whatever. Like, they make this point in the doc of, like, in your imagination, you think of post 9-11 security and he was like as a security whatever like they they make this point of the dog of like in your imagination you think of post 9-11 security and everything but this was 1999 like guys just go like hey get in here the only thing they do is throw away your bottled water so you get dehydrated and go crazy the only thing we learned is not to have hell's angels run security and that's it uh i did my mandatory marvel watching and watched loki and black widow both were fine the black widow movie the funniest bit to me was people in the theater some of them had not seen end game and the end of that movie uh the post credits hinges on you knowing a thing that happens in end game and everyone was very confused there was like a third of the audience

that was going like wait what what like it the film takes place before avengers infinity war but the post credits is after end game and if you haven't seen end game it would be very confusing and the loki show is uh honestly i think the best of the disney plus shows so far i think it was people have been saying that that's what i've been seeing on twitter and and lastly i want to say i watched the new masters of the universe show on netflix the kevin smith he-man show it is way better than it needed to be it actually gives a shit about he-man mythology which no one should it's it's stupid uh but but it's actually pretty good with quality animation a lot of some some of the usual culprits on the internet don't

like it because uh he-man is not in many episodes of it and tila is the main character the the girl but also our friend griffin newman is orco and it's the party was born to play baby he's really good as orco i i sadly i'm so familiar with griffin on podcast i have not actually seen him in any roles yet i'm afraid that if i do watch him on the tick or in this i'll be like well when he's gonna start talking about movies when's the box office game coming up what's with his acting here yeah it was what's funny on on podcast the ride he was on it this last month and talked all about how he worked very hard to get the role and tried like every industry connection he had of like guys look not only do i sound like orco but uh this is the type of role that if you just gave

it to like a funny guy he would think orco's stupid and give no pathos to the character or anything like i actually care about orco please and and it worked out he got orco and he does a very good job of it uh but yeah that's i've talked a ton now about everything i watch but that that's all all the good stuff uh nina is really acting as our producer on this episode she sent me another piece of news that i forgot about oh and while i was here uh a simpsons guest has uh has now died no jackie mason jackie mason right god yes man hyman kristofsky himself, Jackie Mason, has passed away. And he played the character, obviously, in season three.

He won an Emmy for that performance. He would come back a few more times. The next time he came back is an episode we'll cover fairly soon. It's Today I Am a Clown, in which Krusty is bar mitzvahed for the first time. Man, thank you, Nina. You know, i was shocked too that uh that he was still alive well yeah because well because his character died a while ago and so i always think of that as like oh yeah they killed him off because like jackie mason uh died or

something i was like no no he's uh he was still alive 93 for that kind of uh for a borscht belt comedian that he lived that long is uh impressive man making it to 93 but yeah i forgot he had a uh finale on the show so uh yeah jackie mason uh now gone not with us anymore but a long life thank you producer nina yeah now let's move on to questions and comments for talking simpsons the first episode is poke mom and thanks again to griffin newman for being on the show i have to say that before he was on i did my due diligence i listened to a few blank checks all the back to the future ones i was like hey this is pretty good and then we had him on i was like oh yeah griffin is great on podcasts uh he knows what he's talking about and uh he's a boring podcaster like oh yeah and then i listened to basically i'm catching up through the five-year

blank check podcast backlog and i am now one of the biggest griffin newman fans ever so now it's even even greater like honor to have him on our show and for some reason we managed to talk about pokemon for three hours and i am very proud of that fact yeah we oh god that was such a good time and now i think like griffin uh griffin loved it too like he he said he'd love to come back as well and he's he's a busy man who's like starring in stuff and he but that shows like he is a podcaster through and through that even even as he's getting you know all these opportunities in in real productions he's like no I want to be on podcast to talk about the Michael Keaton episode of The Simpsons for over two and a half hours.

And we certainly did. So our first comment is from Matt Quintanilla, who says, To Griffin Newman's point about Lisa being the character most likely to go on to create a show like The Simpsons, this is actually backed up in canon. When Homer is given creative control, he creates the ultra-violent remake of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. He's the type of guy who wants the characters to be louder angrier and have access to a time machine opposite that marge gives notes that lead to a version of the itchy and scratchy so so sanitized and boring that it tanks interest not only in the show but in television itself leading kids to play

outside for once when bart makes a cartoon it's the early 2000s flash cartoon angry dad which is crude and violent like a parody of something from Newgrounds. The only time during the early run of The Simpsons where Lisa is put in a similar creative role is in season four episodes 19's The Front when she works with Bart to ghostwrite an episode of Itchy and Scratchy, which actually wins an award for outstanding writing in a cartoon series.

All of the other core cast members write, direct the show laughs at. Lisa is the only Simpsons family member capable of writing the type of thing the show wants viewers to laugh with that's a good point yeah i guess uh i mean over the course of 30 years of a show it's possible but yes every simpson has written a tv show or some sort of creative work uh they they're all used to like being on television many many times now they've all worked with famous people they've all had their own like movie every every character is made like

five movies now the next time it's like the simpsons make a movie episode a character should say like but homer you've only made seven movies before you are you sure you can do it with uh josh gad this time they've been to the oscars the emmys the grammys the tonys they've been all over the place omer is a gold record winning uh like grammy winning gold record uh of a songwriter and singer also on that episode christopher moops mcdougall says when bob mentions all-star and how shrek took it from mystery men it reminded me of how many people talk about shrek taking the bonnie tyler song holding out for a hero that's often associated with Short Circuit 2. But Short Circuit did the Shrek thing to begin with and took the song from Footloose.

Having seen both Footloose and Short Circuit 2 in theaters, it irked me when people only knew the song from Short Circuit 2. However, now that I think about it, I'm sure way more people watch Short Circuit 2 than Footloose. and i'm sure more people would want to associate it with a punk rock johnny five rather than a sweaty tractor showdown with kevin bacon you know i think they're equal yeah that's the movie when i when i hear uh looking out for a hero or whatever it's called i do think of johnny five's training montage uh you know i would because i saw that in theaters but a different childhood memory overwrites that, which is my Atlanta local Saturday night wrestling show. And I truly fell in love with wrestling, which played seven hours of wrestling every Saturday night in Atlanta.

It would start out with holding out for a hero. So I associate it with that. I know from so gayest episode ever on their patreon they did a shelly long podcast series looking at her movies i found out surprisingly the song that's what friends are for was written for the movie night shift uh i believe it was uh shelly long's one of her first movies because of cheers because of her cheers fame and it was like michael keaton's first movie in a starring role so i didn't know that it's a movie about a morgue wow man that originated there that's i wasn't now holding out for a hero is like it gets too overplayed it was it was the uh it was used in the trailer for the he-man uh series that i i was just talking about

but then in the same week it was used in an episode of Loki. And I was just like, guys, calm it down. You need to, you know, everybody can't just use that even. And the songwriter of it, Jim Steinman, just passed away. So that's right. It's a true classic. Yes. So for One Fish, Two Fish, Blowfish, Bluefish, we have a special guest on our podcast up next because she lives here.

And also because we were running long and she didn't have time for this little segment on that episode. So let's bring Nina out here to talk about certain titles of the show in possibly another language. Hey, Nina. Hello. We had run out of time. We we ended up going. I bet this would have been a longer podcast, the Blowfish one. It would have even beaten Griffin's if we hadn't had a hard out in that one because we had to cut short our Blowfish podcast. Honestly, it was for the best that we had a time limit. It would have gone on for way too long. We would have talked about sushi for about half an hour or longer yeah at the end we would have just said like let's spend another 15 minutes just saying our

favorite sushis and just talking about but uh but but you you had a really cool thing prepared which you'd put in the comments which i was like why should we read these just read it ourselves when you did all the uh hard work on on localization oh yeah so i had translated the episode titled japanese episode titles for season two because in the past whenever i was on a you know a japanese centric episode i would bring a list of all the translations so you want me to read all of them oh sure yeah i they they all sound so funny i i'd like to hear a lot of them are pretty straightforward actually oh really i guess well episode times were pretty straightforward back then in general so for season two starts off with bart fails class pretty straightforward gone with the hair which i think is pretty good i like that one that's like

on par with an english title yeah halloween special uh that's what that was the first one right the first yeah yeah it was yeah and then on all the treehouse of horrors are called halloween special and then a subtitle oh interesting or they do do numbers but they still have a subtitle anyway uh burns runs for mayor two exclamation marks what that's great exciting news yeah dancing homer oh straightforward uh simpsons family versus flanders family hmm okay better than dead putting society i guess it's not too clever yeah yeah the thanksgiving day incident oh i like that one very serious bart the daredevil exactly the same uh marge's passionate battle oh wow that's itchy and scratchy and marge the yeah yeah. Beware of the Crooked Lawyer. Oh, man. I like that one.

That one spotlights the real star of that one. It's not about Bart getting hit by a car. It's that you get to meet Lionel Hutz for the first time. That's what's important about the episode. Well, in this case, the English title is more straightforward. It's just Bart gets hit by a car. And this one is a little more of a cleverness to it. Remaining Time.

That is the the blowfish episode oh wow also sounds very serious yeah geez dad and mom's love story hmm oh okay that's cute yeah twinges of conscience man versus the eighth amendment was it oh the eighth commandment yeah wow oh conscious man what an interesting. Yeah, I couldn't guess. A lot of these sound super serious. Yeah. Selma's Marriage Aspirations. Okay.

The Winds of Detroit. Oh, I like that one. Yeah, yeah. That's great. Lost Dog, Little Helper. Because in the Japanese dub, they just call Santa's Little Helper, Helper. Oh. Which I think is a good shortening of it.

That's cute. Yeah. Dusk. Dusk? That one is old money. Wow. It's just called Dusk in Japanese. That's depressing.

No, that's a real sad one. I know. Damn. That one also could have been called Remaining Time. Yeah. Marge is an artist. She sure is. Yeah.

Lisa's Beating Heart. Oh, wow. Lisa's Substitute. Wow. Huh. Interesting. The war of the simpsons family that's pretty much the same yeah yeah uh the legendary first issue oh i love that one i really love that one i mean the comic book is pretty good too though yeah but that yeah but that one is like it's a pun on a movie like i just love like the legendary first issue like the power of the first issue radioactive, man.

I love that. Yeah, again, very dramatic, like a lot of these. And the last one is Bart is a Savior. Okay. That one's fine, too. But they do get more creative in future Japanese titles, I guess. But those were some good ones in there. Yeah, it's not too bad.

Yeah, like, the episode uh become more and more clever uh in english as well so then i guess the japanese ones kind of catch up to that eventually but the season two ones are you know they pretty much uh explain themselves except for beware the crooked lawyer dusk is the one that's leaving me so melancholy just like that's depressing well that and remaining time yeah remaining time yeah i do think gone with a hair is the better title yeah they should have called it that yeah i uh they should go back and change it but yeah but well but thank you nina now finally folks can hear what they should have heard on the blowfish one if we'd only had the time yep could have that and way more talk about

food yeah that's what everyone wants this is making me hungry now this is also a lunch podcast and i'm getting i could go for some sushi right now we just got two dozen bagels shipped overnight from montreal and it smells really good sitting next to me montreal bagels and well that sounds we're gonna have that as soon as we're done here all right but anyway thank you thank you. Well, thanks for having me on. Oh, they're so good. I got Nina a bagel guillotine recently. Those things are cool. It's a must have.

It will change your life. So what are we on now? Worst episode ever? I'm sorry. Oh, no. We're still on Blowfish. Yeah. Sorry.

So that was Nina's top comment, but also on Blowfish. We had some great comments as well. Sorry about that so Ron Sterling says aftershave colognes are definitely more of a boomer slash older extra thing but if you shave clean you should apply a disinfectant to that area even if you don't nick yourself shaving you're still scraping off a layer of skin and opening up pores and follicles disinfecting with alcohol cuts down on ingrown hairs and razor burn I don't blame anyone for not wanting the old man stink of aqua velva on them but a little moisturized hand sanitizer will do the trick and uh i'm not a hairy man i will say that it's part i grow some stubble and i do shave every day

or at least i try to but i don't understand how anyone can shave not in the shower that is the only way to shave i have a shaving mirror wherever i live in the shower. And I wash my face before and after I shave. And I think that does the trick. But if I'm doing something wrong, let me know. But I can't not shave in the shower. It's just impossible for me. For the longest time, because I saw it on TV, and also my dad shaved at the sink. I just thought, yeah, sink.

That's where you shave, at the sink. And then I think once I lived lived alone i realized like boy hair just falls everywhere it better it better to do it in the shower when you definitely know it's just washed away and this is getting into uh boring shaving chat we don't have a dollar shave club announcement or ad or anything but your your pores open up in the in the hot water it's much better for you and i'm i'm three weeks or four weeks into a beard grow now and it's uh not that impressive but i'm i'm willing to see how far it goes i'm i'm wanting to i let's hear can you hear me rubbing my beard my listeners as long as we're not hearing beard

sounds on on mike uh also on the blowfish episode joe moore says loving the episode guys you mentioned difficulties drawing abe have you noticed that his portrait in the family's front room is usually drawn off model i can't see any articles about it offline but it's always seemed weird to me i don't have any examples offhand but something to look out for and nina actually replied with some insider info nina wrote i think that is because, speaking from experience, drawing on Model Simpsons characters at a small scale is really hard. There's no need to make it absolutely perfect for a background.

It's always better to do it less detailed with framed pictures in the background. Otherwise, it's too distracting, which brings me to the complaint about the Modern Simpsons. Since they've gone digital, they can paste whatever drawings into framed pictures and scale them down for appropriate size but it results in too much distracting background detail so that's interesting you know the the the quaintness of the sd low detail it's just gone like that is once they got to hd i can understand why they had to hd up the backgrounds because it's widescreen now and

they're like hey we need that level of detail but you so much charm is sacrificed by having in that detail there I also think a part of seeing wonky characters in background art is because uh now correct me if I'm wrong people out there in animation but a lot of the times uh background artists are not character artists so when they have to draw a background with like a character portrait inside they're not going to have as much of a handle on the character as someone who draws the character uh for different purposes uh so i think a lot of the reason in old episodes that's also why because like a background artist is drawing like homer like an abstract homer in the background you can just barely make it out but they were not hired

to draw homer they're hired to draw a house very well i can draw inside of a house you can draw the best table you ever seen but homer on model you know give him time that's someone else's job but uh yes so now we're on to worst episode ever and tyler m says uh one of the joys of being in pittsburgh is just seeing tom savini all over the place be it on his bike unfortunately he was hurt by a car recently but but it's okay. Or being a classic old buff Italian guy at the public pool. Total legend. I'm surprised given the fact that you guys are big Letterman heads,

that the clips of Savini on Letterman in the eighties are great. I guess surprised that we didn't mention them. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I, I didn't, I didn't know Savini was a regular on Letterman. I had not seen a lot of those clips,

but no. Yeah. But I guess I think I vaguely remember him doing gory stuff in front of Letterman, like gory stage effects. Right. But I got to say, I think I mentioned it on this podcast, but check out the Carson podcast that is Mark Malkoff's podcast. The one with Nick Pruer, they talk about their history on the Letterman show working there and uh what that was like for them and I found it very interesting because they I believe they

were both researchers for the show which meant like if someone's on the show you read their book and then you maybe get one question out of it and just the crazy hours they worked how they barely talked to David Letterman uh what the show was like in the 2000s. It was all very interesting. That's podcast training jobs too, man. That gets you ready for it. There's a reason they're on like podcasts and YouTube and stuff like that. I also love the idea of Tom Savini, just this, you know, hairy old buff Italian guy like at the pool, like a public pool buff Italian old man.

That's a fun visual to me. He's got to have a gold chain tangled up in his chest hair. Oh, for sure. It's got to happen. Plus, I mean, I think he still held on to the ponytail, I think. Harry Thornton on that episode also said, Visual effects nerd here. I do think that the return to practical effects is kind of overrated

in that I've seen a lot of cases where studios will play up the practical elements because it makes a good story also in that year episode godfather 3 good version joke i'm surprised you guys didn't mention that it now exists kinda just recently for its 30th anniversary francis fort coppola recut the film into the now retitled the godfather coda the death of michael corleone from what i've seen has gotten much better reviews than the 1990 version and finally all this VHS talk reminds me as a 22 year old I'm actually I actually know what a VHS is I was still using them as a kid and me and my family were still using them to record shows

right up until they finally became obsolete in the late aughts the great character from on cinema also cracks me up because i know at least one person who is so nostalgic for tapes they really do think they are the best way to view films so yeah you know we just skip past that godfather three joke godfather three jokes just feel so lame to me and just boring yeah i should have watched that 30th anniversary movie though but i've i've heard it's not worth it. It's very, very long. When it came out, I heard no one really praising it.

Maybe Harry heard different. But yeah, I think we talked about this before, Henry. Within Hollywood, there are certain things where it's okay to make fun of and you won't damage your career. And definitely that was one of them. Police Academy was one of them around the same time. There are certain things that just become easy to ishtar. Because everyone can make fun of this and no one's going to get uh francis ford coppola

is not going to find you directly yes because you were the one person who made fun of this yeah it's uh it shows you who's not powerful and who is there i also that return to practical effects thing reminds me of uh i heard mike mitchell talking about that on an episode of how did this get played this last year of saying how the responsibility of being on set with squibs of like, Hey, move, you move your gun to make it line up with the squibs and you got to do it perfectly. Cause if you don't, everyone will know that you messed it up and that we have to reset for an hour

and it's your fault. Uh, and also that same responsibility on that, that same episode talking Simpsons gets mentioned as well we get a we get a little shout out which was very nice so thanks nick weiger for that so up next we have comments for what a cartoon the first one is for our what a cartoon movie for june hercules and keifer folsom is first on that one and he says something i'm surprised that didn't come up is the fact that for the muses originally the spice girls were asked to play them and they turned down disney imagine how that would have been yeah i was shocked that they then linked to a story from the time in 97 where they musker said an interview like yeah we offered this to

the spice girls and they said no i i was so ashamed that i had missed that in my research but it didn't come up in any other oral history that was mentioned but you know what i don't want to rob the gospel version of hercules from anyone but know what i i don't want to rob the gospel version of hercules from anyone but i think that i kind of want to see that one too the spice girls as the greek choir yeah of course i would bet spice girls said no for the same reasons nicholson did of like okay can we have a hundred can we have 10 million dollars oh no michael eisner's not going to do that then hire broadway actresses who do a great job but are not the spice girls ask for a tenth of the money yes oh if that even uh harry thornton again also uh had a good comment

on hercules saying little more on the canceled direct video hercules sequel it was being made at the same overseas studio in france that made the duck tales movie and the acclaimed french animation director sylvan chaumet who would go on to make the triplets of Belleville actually worked at the studio for a few months he described it thusly the atmosphere was bizarre they had such a cynical way of thinking I came in and said I can do some designs for the Hercules sequel and they said mimics a cynical person okay yeah that's fine when i worked there i realized what not to do on a feature film they have this mentality they're trying to do a product they don't make films anymore it's like they do advertisements now people are very talented

but they have no but there's no soul so i i did not know that uh chaumet uh which trivels of belleville that could be one we do in the future but i i didn't know he was one of the people on that canceled hercules sequel project yeah i didn't know that either a lot of great talent in disney france we learned that on our hunchback podcast oh man i i look at that french studio with whole new eyes now knowing that they animated two of the best moments of hunchback yeah don't judge them by ducktales the movie even if you like it uh so up next we have future boy conan and what timing on that because as soon as we launched the podcast g kids announced that they are bringing the series stateside so uh that was not planned behind the scenes we had no knowledge

but i think it was good for both our podcast and for them because we made more people aware of this series and they had something to point people to to learn more about it yeah I mean GKids couldn't ask for better ambassadors for their release than Ian and Rebecca our guests on that episode like that that was one of my favorites we've we've done they've I mean Rebecca and Ian just had so much passion for Future Boy Conan. It was so great chatting with them. And thanks to GKids for retweeting it, too. Yes, thanks, GKids. So Joe Hodgson says, impeccable timing.

This is about GKids, by the way. I'm starting to think GKids is a secret backer of Talking Simpsons. I've never sought this series out, but was aware it existed. And the upcoming release coupled with this podcast seems like the right time to take the dive. i'll be sure to hold up a sign for my couch as i watch the remaster that says bob and henry put my ass in this seat in tribute and uh yes we're happy to spread the word yes yeah and thank you joe hodgson for that extra wrestling reference uh there which uh that is a famous story in pro wrestling where uh when mick Foley won the world title on WWF, the competition said, yeah, that'll put a lot of butts in seats.

And then guys in the audience at the next show who went to WWF bought a ticket to see Mick Foley. They put up a sign that said, hey, WCW, Mick Foley put my ass in the seat. So thanks. I had to include that one, especially because Hodgson had a wrestling reference. Thank you for translating for me. And Marcy Furrer also said about that episode, I absolutely adore this show and couldn't ask for a better pair of guests to talk about it with you.

I'm glad that you mentioned the similarities between Conan and Goku because I have a crockpot theory slash observation that several shonen anime characters fight a giant fish as a feat of strength. The earliest example I know of is actually Takahashi's directorial debut in one of Minazaki's earliest jobs, Horus Prince of the Sun, where Horus has an extended underwater fight scene against a giant pike and defeats it by trapping it under rocks. Then post-Dragon Ball, there's Gon from Hunter x Hunter and Luffy from One Piece.

Gon catches the Lord of the Lake and Luffy punches the Sea King that ate Shanks' arm. One thing I wish was discussed is how Future Boy Conan was used in a recent anime 2020's Keep Your Hands Off Isoken. The first episode opens with the main character watching a legally distinct version of Conan and it having such a profound effect on her she decides to become an animator. isokin the first episode opens with the main character watching a legally distinct version of conan and it having such a profound effect on her she decides to become an animator it's one of my favorite scenes in anything and it perfectly encapsulates what it's like to be an animation fan and seeing something so eye-opening it changes how you think about the medium yes i did miss that it's one of those shows that's like on my pile of shame of like i gotta watch this show but i

haven't yet. It's only 12 episodes, too. I watched a few and I fell off and I want to go back, but I completely forgot about the Conan connection there. So my apologies. Yeah, yeah. Thank several people pointed that out. But but Marcy and the rest, thank you for for letting us know we did miss a key part of current conan nostalgia and up next talk about all also good timing gumpy episode moon trip in that uh jeff bezos went to space and this green little freak he was going to space on our

podcast at the same time so it was good synergy but actually gumpy went to space he went to the moon uh bezos suborbital launch let's point that out once again suborbital yeah but christmas ape says about gby mood trip is that a friend and i have regularly found ourselves in a gumby hole over the last few years watching batches of random episodes from every era on youtube and i agree with you that the gumby with teeth is the worst gumby it's a truly bizarre experience with cartoons that go from the lamest most milquetoast excuses for entertainment you've ever seen to baffling psychedelia in the span of five to ten minutes even the quality of the puppets can be very wildly from short to short And yeah, thank you to Christmas Ape. And again, check out the documentary Gumby Dharma.

It's free on YouTube. And it's an extensive history of gumbi and the very strange creator in his last years on this planet yeah it uh i i think sometimes things are weird in gumbi just because like it just technique or like well yeah we animated it that way but i think other times it's like we want to be weird so you feel weird we want viewers to feel strange while watching this uh and also like like i mean you you find out cloaky actually was doing drugs man while making it yeah and i recently showed uh nina the moon trip short and she was also shocked by how the last three minutes is bringing gumby back to life. It's very uncomfortable, yes. Well, actually, Dakin, our final comment, mentions that.

Dakin says, dug up the version of this from the 80s series to see if they edited anything out, and sure enough, it just jumps from Gumbo picking Gumby's lifeless body off the ground right to Gumby waking up in the hospital, though we still get a shot of him laying there with X's on his eyes.

Though, to their credit they do live in leave in the original creepy as hell soundtrack so that's great if i had to guess it's probably more of a time cut than a content cut yeah you know if you take out that bit it probably comes down to the 11 minutes to make it a two cartoon thing but but also if you're going to cut anything from it it is the like the part where Gumby is catatonic for two minutes and three four minutes and doesn't do anything slowly carried up and down a ladder yeah and up an elevator as well but yeah that's it for comments and all of our news but thanks again for supporting the show I must point out again that recently we released our longest

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