Talking Simpsons - Talk to the Audience?!? - June 2022

Episode Date: July 6, 2022

We've reached the beginning of the month, which means it's once again time for another episode of our community podcast. This time around, we discuss more unionization efforts in the world of animation, censored Krusty action figures, the mystery of Graggle Simpson, John DiMaggio's bad Disney deal, the fifth anniversary of the Talking Simpsons Network, and more. And, as always, we respond to your questions and comments from the most recent round of episodes. So sit back, relax, and get ready for our special sermon on the sanctity of deliciousness! Support this podcast and get over 100 bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

I heartily endorse this event or product. not a supporter of Bob Bass movies who is here with me today as always. It's Henry Gilbert and Disney has removed a cigarette from my hand as well. How awful. And guess what everybody? This is our community podcast. At the end of every month on Patreon, at the beginning of every month on the free feed we talk about what's happening in the Simpsons world and in our world and then we respond to your questions and comments from the last month's worth

of episodes and just let's say this has been a rather infectious month for us, hasn't it Henry? Yes, it's true. this has been a rather infectious month for us hasn't it yes it's true uh it's it's been a pretty nutty month uh i mean there's not a lot of news happening but uh our schedules have been rather fun just this month yeah i think uh listeners in the last episode can treat it now as a resolved cliffhanger that in the last talk to the audience i said and i'll be going to vegas real soon well the obvious conclusion happened which is i contracted covid i i got covid i have now gotten over it i appreciate uh all the nice messages from people uh saying get well soon

and all that fortunately i had what i hope is the typical COVID thing for all people, which is you feel like you have the flu for a few days and then you're over it. It was short COVID. And I'm very happy that you recovered, Henry. But I'm also very happy that people understood that we had to delay one thing this month. But also we were so ahead of things that not being able to record for 10 days really didn't throw us off too much. Yeah, yeah. All that missed was the final Shin Salt, the episode of King of the Hill, which you'll be getting next month along with the regular one just to get back on schedule. But, yeah, we appreciate everybody's understanding on that too.

And, yeah, we didn't miss any too big recordings, though. Little Mermaid was certainly right up against the deadline. But also really helped, too, that we have a really good remote recording set up for when we meet. But when me and Pav live in the same town, you want to keep doing it together in person. And I've got a bird to work around. He doesn't want me to podcast. He wants to hang out with me. He loves talking. Podcast time is talk time.

He thinks he's a co-host. He thinks he's uh he loves talking but podcast time is talk time for he's he thinks he's a co-host he thinks he's people listen to the retronauts i just put out a kirby part three i think you can hear louis in some parts of it my editor did a very good job though so only when i'm talking you can hear little squeaks and sounds of things being chewed on but it's adorable it is we all love louis but yes henry is fine and we're doing well. And July will be nothing but an entire month of just nonstop recording. Yes. Yeah. We've got big plans.

We really do. A lot of fun stuff. Yeah. Let's talk about Simpsons News. For once in Simpsons News, we don't have to be like in five episodes aired of the new season. Like it's the summer's off now. Like I couldn't keep up. Executives are being shit canned in Simpsons News.

Disney executives, that is because uh peter rice got fired and new disney general entertainment content chairperson that's going to be dana walden you might have seen her awkwardly talking to homer during the disney investor day 2020 videos yes where uh there's just uh it's very embarrassing but he makes a lot of jokes about things that are on disney plus let's listen to Dana talk to Homer Simpson here. Hello again. I'm so happy to be back talking about Disney+. All of us have loved developing for it, but only one of us has actually been living on it.

So I've traveled all the way to Springfield, still don't know what state I'm in, to talk to a member of our studio family for 30 years mr homer simpson so homer what have you learned about disney plus this year wait you look like you have something to say do you yeah uh no i mean she's paid to be an executive not to act but uh again more of our favorite characters debasing themselves uh yeah then homer homer ends it by saying well i'll throw it back to you dana like but i also i i've complained about this so many times you guys are sick of it but i really hate when they say like and part of the disney family for 30 years i'm like god no no they weren't they joined the disney family three years ago i that's like we're acting like this is uh you know you

know we'll step these are my step kids they're just my kids like it's like i get that in a in a blended family but not so much in a in a corporate in a corporation they're really memory holing actual simpsons history yeah yeah with this crap but yeah i i write up on this and i don't care too much about who gives me my slop but uh peter rice apparently uh it was a big surprise that he got fired and i think uh the evil Bob Chapek, who nobody likes, did the shit canning. Because reading speculation about this in this article you sent me, Henry, it feels like one of these people could take his job. And he didn't want two possible people taking his job. So maybe if there's only one, it's like, oh, no, we need her in this place.

She couldn't be ceo or whatever his position is yeah bob chapek it's it's smart uh operating and maneuvering he's he's a more cut throat guy than the very boring bob eiger who also i mean he's an evil billionaire too but just not as not as openly an asshole as bob chapek is but uh as far as simpsons news related to this, that's why I wanted to play that clip there because Dana Walden for years was the boss of 20th Century TV and also Disney TV. So she worked, her introducing Homer there is also a wink to that she worked very closely with the Simpsons offices for years. Like she was the person who approves more seasons of the simpsons on fox tv

and so i don't know having a friendly face at the top of disney general entertainment content in dana walden makes me think that certainly there's not going to be a break in simpsons episodes anytime soon i don't think yes uh they'll be here for years folks so yes uh the poor one out for peter rice who is still very wealthy and will probably be picking up another very very well-paying job very soon i would bet peacock's gonna hire him any second now or one of the other evil fiefdoms it's just really it's like oh is this knight no longer work for this evil company or for this evil kingdom dictator well now he's moved to a new dictatorship yeah his skills are wanted so that's executive news uh there's more news here the other

side of the production pipeline yes so production staff on simpsons family guy and american dad are fighting to unionize and this includes production managers production supervisors production coordinators writers assistants production assistants associate producers office assistants and it supervisors and they're representing the workers in the bargaining units so i guess these are all like considered below the line people yes and the terminology of hollywood so yeah there's uh there's a really great uh hollywood reporter article on this that uh you know union union fever's busting out all over in hollywood and of course the animators on simpsons family guy american dad those are part of iotsy but that all those supporting production people

uh in supervisors and assistants and all that they are not unionized like which leads to them being treated like shit even more so than animators are. And so they are finally starting to unionize the Titmouse. This is relatedly the Titmouse Animation Studio. They did just unionize their non-IoTSI membership as well, and it's kind of spreading around in many Burbank and other Los Angeles-based production studios. And so this was the big deal of like that they announced, you know, this is part of, oh, animation domination.

We are going to do that on the union side. And so it was cool to see that. I think I believe I saw active WGA member Mike Scully wish them well in this. And I was just seeing him on Twitter, him and bill oakley going back and forth oh me too yeah guilt trip in the uh the solar opposites and rick and morty writers rooms or making fun of like would-be writers potential writers yeah ones who wanted

to join the wga which like solar opposites and rick and morty already have a history of not being wga until uh a couple seasons in for a while for Rick and Morty. Solar Opposites, I believe, started WGA, but only thanks to the unionization of Rick and Morty. People are watching that Solar Opposites show. Yeah, I've heard good stuff. It looked fine. But when I watched it, I was like, yeah, it's like less Rick and Morty. When also it's like, I don't know, Thomas Middleditch.

I kind of don't want to hear his voice right now. Is he the sex club guy? He's the sex club guy. But no crimes, right? Not that I know of. He just seems like he's a shitty husband and a jerk. But it's one of those things that it makes him less funny. And then on top of that, it's one of those, again, this feels like someone's private life.

I'm using that to inform whether I think they're funny or not but in the perilous relationship I have with other people who have acted with him they on podcast occasionally say things that make me think oh I bet there's some stuff that's not public about this guy and they're not acting with this guy what's going on

at those goth sex clubs and why are their goth sex clubs in 2020 yeah you know it's a little extra work for that guy just go straight to a sex club you mean the i guess the goth is part of the fun yeah sure it's just an extra accentuation i don't know how we got to goth sex clubs from wishing well on unionizers yeah please get those writers this distance and pas them especially are treated like absolute shit yes like yeah they they deserve more respect

we've had former pas on the on our show before that's right yeah and very few of them get to graduate into uh real writing work you know it's something we learned from futurama they actually did give several of their writing assistant writer assistant actual like jobs and and gave them writing credits that should be how it works yes and we have uh some sad news in that the bobs burgers movie that i've already forgotten about has has really underperformed earning i think 32 million dollars the box office and uh thankfully on july 12th it'll be on hulu and hbo max so uh you don't have to wait very long and i think that was most people's uh mentality with this and things like Lightyear.

Just like it's going to be on streaming by the end of summer. Let's just wait. Yeah, if it's not a giant event film of watching your favorite Marvel characters kill things or watch your favorite Tom Cruise fly around, it's less. And you're like, yeah, I'm not. But I mean, that Buzz Lightyear movie is doing all right. It made like, you know, 70 million or something or 50 something million. But I guess Jurassic Park outpaced it. Awful.

Yeah. I'm seeing people on Twitter, parents with like younger kids. They're tapping to tell their kids like we can't get Lightyear at home. The kids are used to like everything hitting streaming immediately because the last three pixar movies were on streaming immediately and if you're like seven that's all you've known yeah you don't go if you're a seven-year-old who was five uh when the pandemic started you don't go to see pixar movies in theaters you watch them at home that's how you do it but i i mean i still was that light year movie gets fine reviews, whatever. But I thought Turning Red was so good. And I, again, think it's bullshit.

They're like, well, obviously, though, the Pixar movies that are not about a white guy and not a spinoff of Toy Story. Those don't go in theaters where we're only doing that for light. Yeah. And I'll see it eventually. I just want to know what I mean. I've read some pretty mediocre reviews of it. This is not the Lightyear podcast. Bob's Burgers, I feel like it has a Simpsons movie problem. The Simpsons movie was a hit given its budget and scope and everything.

Too late. This is too late. I think we're in season 12 of Bob's Burgers now. Maybe this could have been a mid-2010s movie. I feel like that's when it was time to hit and honestly I don't think the show was ever that big maybe the ratings whatever they are now are big ratings for a Fox show on a Sunday night but I don't I think the Bosberger's heyday was like 2012 2013 all the all the Tina and the butt stuff online. But its bigness was never The Simpsons at its peak.

Yeah, like the Simpsons movie in 2007, we definitely agree that they took too long. But in a certain way, it did help them. It then was like, oh, nostalgia. I remember The Simpsons. Let's see it in the movie. And also, from what I read of reviews of Bob's Burgers, more than the Simpsons movie, it just felt it. I saw a lot of things of like, well, it was good, but it did just feel like a big episode. And I mean, I feel bad for it, too, though, because it apparently was the first 2D movie Disney has released.

2D animated movie Disney has released in theaters in like over a decade. Is that because it was already done and they sat on it for a while? Yeah, I mean, honestly, too. in like over a decade is that because it was already done and they sat on it for a while yeah i mean honestly too i i've seen uh i saw some people online say well yeah bob's burgers movie what did you think it was gonna make like it doesn't have that big of a hit yeah it's not really for kids but it's not really for adults either and it's 2d like kids don't see that but i also think that it was just grandfathered in it got green lighted by fox before it sold to disney i i think i said this on an old community one of like that fox greenlit the bobs burgers movie said they were going to do a live action family guy movie and we're trying to move forward on simpsons

and i thought in all three cases it was 20th century fox trying to start projects that would be too big for disney to cancel that's that's what it felt like to me uh but the bob's burgers movie yeah i i think too disney didn't do it any favors of like they didn't put it in theaters uh when the soft reopening of theaters opened and then when do they do it the same week as top gun maverick like yeah it was a mistake yeah i mean it's cool they got to make it it's nice a nice feather in their cap, but I feel like a lot more people will see it streaming. And we are on the brink of the Beavis and Butthead movie being released, the new one. And I feel like Beavis and Butthead now is more popular than Bob's Burgers with just

like the sheer nostalgia appeal. And they were smart to put that on Paramount+. It's an awful streaming network. But I think like if they released Beavis and Butthead to the universe, to theaters, it probably would have underperformed just as bad as Bob's Burgers. For sure. Yeah. People just think of it was a hard enough sell of a I mean, the Beavis and Butthead movie didn't do amazing in theaters either.

And same with the South Park movie. Both of those in the 90s, they did good. But honestly, the Simpsons movie is really the only true success out of all of those. It did make like 300 million dollars. Yeah. The rest of these. movie is really the only true success out of all those it did make like 300 million dollars yeah the rest of these and that does i also included it because you know there's always those rumblings of like oh like al jean or whoever says well we've thought we're pitching another simpsons movie maybe we'll do it i definitely think after this that a theatrically released simpsons movie is

very unlikely now after this yeah unless it's 3d and there's i mean it's it's it's been almost 20 years everybody everyone is so much older and it's mostly the same people you know yeah i just don't know how they're going to be that productive again no i mean unless they like staff up with a bunch of young people again they can't get the old band back together again for it or they cancel the show and they only work for two years on the movie alone which i don't think that's gonna happen but uh but yeah the bob's burgers movie i will watch it on hulu and we we i i want to make it clear we like bob's burgers listen to we did two what a cartoon podcast about burgers yeah it's just it's a it's a weird place to put

the movie but i'm sure uh i'm kind of sad that i miss seeing in theaters it seems like a real novelty but hey i'll eventually see it yeah yeah uh and more simpsons news uh tim long and alan trean went on npr to talk about the season finale and uh about the uh the class stuff that they discussed in that season finale yeah yeah it's a cool i feel like we've talked about this article 800 times because it's spun out into multiple episodes but it was it was cool to hear tim long and al jean talk about it you know tim long we we've got connections to him we gotta ask this guy about stuff i'm married to a canadian that's true yeah perfect connection he gets mocked for his canadianness all the time but

yeah if you guys want to hear a fun uh npr style interview with them about specifically that episode though of course in npr style i believe it ends with the usual of like well it's actually the republicans fault and don't feel like democrats could do more like it's the usual npr uh messaging that's usually how they how they do things over there uh and we must talk about uh graggle simpson i don't like doing this but it's gone mainstream enough i feel we must i don't i mean uh pardon me for being a bit of a crank here, but I've been on the Internet for a long time. And Graggle Simpson, I believe, first name Gumbly Simpson. I would just see these images of this weird character drawn in Simpson style, but just a very bizarre character put into scenes of episodes, you know.

And I immediately thought, oh, yeah, the joke is you're pretending this character is real and it's not. And now we have to have an article saying, is this real? We're just like, well, no, it's not real. Why are we having this discussion? Why are these forum, ancient forum bullshit becoming a thing?

I occasionally get tweets of, why don't you guys talk about Greggle Simpson? I was like, yeah, I get it. I get it, guys. I was online. I was, I guys talk about graggle simpson i was like yeah i get it i get it guys i was online i was i mean maybe graggle simpson is also being spread by people who are younger than two chan the the board where it was born yeah i mean like there's a vice article about it i think the one interesting thing that comes out of that is um they interview the people who came up with the character yes yeah and uh but but if you have to ask is this real or not like how long have you did you just fall off the turnip truck buddy oh yeah i feel like it's it's obviously just like

uh like a troll like a like a prank like a troll yeah it's an internet troll of saying like yeah it's right up there i what i like about graggle simpson compared to say bart is dead or there's a band episode or you know there was secretly an episode of dungeons and dragons uh where they all the kids die and then they didn't air it this one is so the second you look at a picture of graggle simpson you're like oh i get it it looks so shitty like this isn't a real thing you're it's not trying to fool you uh you know it's just part of the fun but people treating it is actually real that bothers me i say uh Simpsons put this in a new episode, but put Graggle in like a scruffy character.

He was always there. They just never acknowledged him until now. I would bet if season 34 they don't have a Graggle Simpson couch gag, I'll be shocked, honestly. They really should. I mean, they just made a couch gag based on that one artist's art of the teenage kids grown up a bit. Though I guess Graggle Simpson might technically belong to someone else

and the Disney legal won't let him do it, perhaps. I don't know, but it's fine. But yes, read the Vice article. That was why I was like, oh, well, if Vice actually dug into Graggle Simpson and did some real reporting on it, that's uh that makes it worth talking about and apparently show writer uh josh weinstein uh he had to have one of his own jokes uh explained to him but not he didn't make the joke but he was on the show at the time it's when homer comes out uh he's showering at the plant for some reason he has to answer the phone he says you'll have to speak up

i'm wearing a towel uh i had the exact same idea josh had where he thought it's a non sequitur it's me it's meant to not make sense there's no logic there which is why it's funny it's also funny that Homer is running to the phone after getting out of the shower at the power plant at his job at his office into his room but but the actual meaning of the joke is like people with longer hair they will wrap their hair in a towel and if they're coming out of the shower and the phone starts ringing well they've got a towel around their ears and that's the explanation but homer the town he has no hair and the towels around his waist so that's the explanation sorry henry no no i it also flew by me all these years too i also saw it as like or i thought like somebody who answers the phone in the bathroom and they're like, oh, my shower's on. You'll have to speak up.

But yeah, I love that even Josh Weinstein can admit like, oh, yeah, I don't get this joke. Or I made my own assumptions on it. Stop asking about if a guy said goodbye to a shoe before and start investigating other jokes. Yes, yeah. At least find that that is settled law. Same with car hole. I hate that. That car hole that people ever heard it is that. That drives settled law. Same with car hole. I hate that. That car hole that people ever heard it is that.

That drives me crazy. My wife is a car hole person, I think. That's not funny. It's not a joke. A car hole. She's going to comment on this, buddy. Hey, Nina, I love you. I'm sorry.

You're great. Your car hole is an okay thing. It's the Viking people that actually bother me the most. It's just funnier when Mo says the word hole. I mean, I was a little older than her when I saw it. And I was like, well, Mo's filthy. And he likes holes, right? Yeah, it's a car hole.

You put it in the hole. It's a gross. To say the garage is too fancy. And yeah, it's the car hole. You put it in the car hole. Listen, I look forward to another explanation of this in, I don't know, four years. Yes, yeah. Something like that.

It's just funny hearing Mo say hole. we all love it uh and uh there was a bit of controversy in may that we missed and that disney is censoring this new crusty toy by super seven that we did talk about we talked about their new line of toys they're taking away the cigarettes yeah i pre-ordered this dang toy uh that comes with a mr teeny Teeny and all these funny, crusty faces. Super 7 makes some great Simpsons toys that also take a very long time to make that you'll pre-order them and then two years later you get them. I mean, apparently there's, you know, supply chain issues and all that too. But another thing that slows it down is, so they got it approved. Like, they sold it of like, here's the thing.

And, you know, Krusty's got his his uh glass of whiskey he's got his mean face and he also has cigarettes because Krusty smokes but then apparently at some point Super 7 doesn't blame Disney because obviously that's their partners in making this so they're not going to say like hey and fuck Disney the guys who we have to get permission to make toys from. But clearly someone at Disney somewhere in the chain said, we do not sell toys that have cigarettes in them. Even though this is for adults,

loser adults who don't care about a cigarette toy. And Krusty is all about vices. It's not like I want to be like Krusty. Speaking of Disney and cigarettes, I have a story to tell you about a place I went. We'll talk about that later. Okay. They have a long history of censoring cigarettes by the way but this but this cigarette thing i i just heard our our pal and multiple time guest mike carlson talking about how upset he was that his crusty won't have a cigarette now and mr teeny won't be smoking either there's got to be a cottage industry where you can make those for people

man it's just so sad i that's why i bought it's actually one of my favorite uh busts in my collection over there but the the one of ben grim the thing from marvel with his cigar i bought that because i was like they don't allow ben grim to smoke anymore and i just love him and that's disney for you man they don't they don't allow the smoking but i i've just said again it should just be like i sign the waiver here that i'm over 18 i'm not a child buying this toy and you can watch crusty smoke a ton on disney plus all over the place i wonder if i think it was just him sharing a fun doodle he did but david silverman this last month posted without commentary a drawing of Krusty holding a pie in one hand in his right hand and then a cigar in his left hand up to his mouth I mean like canonically he was born in maybe 1930 so I mean he's an old man who likes his stogies yeah he loves his nicotine and

nicotine patches and gum covering him yeah him him saying like oh that's good right next to the old hearts yeah he loves his cigarettes. So our final bit of Simpsons-related news is more sad news. Sorry, guys. June's a bummer. John DiMaggio reports by Slash Film, by the way, he didn't get a raise after this contract standoff with Disney. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Reported by Slash Film. You can read the article online. But he basically points out that he learned of what Disney's plan was going to be. That was going to be using a new guest star for every episode to play Bender. That would have been so distracting. I would not have supported or watched that. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's like, honestly, they held his character for ransom.

Like, it's very sad. Like, in that article, it made me sad because when he signed back on for the role, I believe we said it on the community podcast of like, well, I hope he got what he wanted. Like, I hope it finally worked out. But then as he describes it there, it's like, no, Disney, I decided to do it. I like that he said that other actors kind of gave him a thumbs up of like, hey, at least you have made it public and thanks because disney disney just slashes the the actor pay so much on these things that they will make money on

forever yeah you know they uh i mean money hand over fist long after these actors are dead too so so why not just give him an extra if they gave him an extra one million dollars like what that would not hurt anything extra one million implies he's extra one million dollars like what who that would not hurt anything extra one million implies he's making one million yes yeah no i mean just a million dollars yeah no it's why i uh we were doing it for research purposes but i you know when the new season of season 13 production started that was when the actor signed a big new deal and got a big huge raise and i feel like fox and then disney afterwards has been fighting that precedent ever since and this part of this here with dimaggio too is just

them teaching you like you know what fuck you you can't ask for more money from us we'll make a shittier cartoon without you we don't care and we i feel like too the way dimaggio puts it he knew that they they knew that he cared and he knew they knew and they were using it against him. Yeah, and I'm sure they would have paid all of those celebrities more money than just paying him. But it was the principle of the thing. It's sort of like when Billy West, when they wanted him to do the new Doug for Disney, he was like, well, here's how much I'm worth. And they're like, we're not paying that. And they ended up spending more on all the replacement voices that he did on the show.

So, I mean, Disney's had a history of this. They don't want to set a precedent. Yeah. And also, like you said, I wonder, too, if that guest voice thing is because I've seen Maurice Lamar say this about how he did this and he wants other people to do it, too, in the voice actor collective that you don't take if some you don't cross a picket line to take a job that you could do from another actor because that's going to be you on the other end of that someday too and you wouldn't want that other actor taking it and maybe that guest star thing was their way around it that like the other voice actors who had signed on they said well i may sign on but i'm not doing bender i refuse to they're like fine

there'll be a guest star every week like we'll make you do that but uh it's i i it was very disappointing to hear that that disney just won disappointing but not surprising not at all surprising no disney just uh god awful sad news all around uh people aren't getting money executives are it's a bad place to be but good good news for us is that we passed our fifth Patreon anniversary. And yes, we originally launched the Patreon on June 16th, 2017. Although our show is a few years older than that, this is really when we made this our full-time jobs. And we can't thank everyone out there enough for letting us do this incredibly incredibly rare job that we're very very fortunate to do we are hashtag blessed we really are now i have uh yeah to think that it's been five years like that's crazy obviously half of that was in a pandemic so that helped the time fly by yeah and i mean i'd spent six years podcasting before that but this has been the the first time for the past five years i have only

been podcasting for a living yeah yeah you know the the short version is like me and bob in case you don't know like me and bob both got our start in working in the games press covering video games like we we originally were gamers who wrote about video games and off the and after hours bob and me were like oh we both love the simpsons i bet we know the simpsons better than most people don't we and we also loved podcasting but that was like the extra thing you got to do in addition to your video game job after hours yeah no extra pay and no appreciation from your bosses even though the podcast really boosted engagement from from audiences it's weird to think this is not going to be complaining about old jobs corner

but it's weird to think about how uh a decade ago podcasts were these things that were only basically done on websites there were a few independent ones uh in in the late late aughts early 2010s they started these podcasts and then they were very resentful of them like oh this is just a waste of your time and money you know what costs you know what makes money writing previews writing reviews and it turns out like no podcasts were secretly this really burgeoning industry that no one could have expected would explode so much and you can see all of these stories written every day like this guy signed on for all these millions and that guy signed on for all these millions so it's interesting to see how it's grown since we started in the late aughts early 2010s yeah yeah i mean executives and video game websites especially had no clue how to make money off of podcasts and weren't ready to listen

to suggestions we had on how to make money on either and again i'm not going to complain too much about our old job that's the one we left to do this. It was great to quit together. There was no union, but that was the only unionizing we could do was just to quit. Yeah. And it's like we were already very successful podcasters, you know, within a certain our own definition. We weren't like making money off of Patreon. We're no Margaret Cho. No, no.

We were no Joe Rogan. But it was like, all right, we're podcasters. We both work together at this uh you know media company let's start a podcast and it took like months of meetings it seemed like our boss didn't know what a podcast was or why anyone would care about it and a whole hour yeah listen to that and this was the age and it's frankly it's still happening when people are like no uh sorry people not people executives they're not people you're not yeah even to this day they're like no two minute videos viral content make it now not knowing that like um people love having voices in their ears because life is hard and it's fun to have a little little voice in your ear telling you about things you like it and uh i mean um it

was interesting to see uh what happened during the pandemic because there were some fears that like oh no people aren't commuting anymore what's going to happen to podcasts it turns out people needed those friendly voices more than ever and i think the only the very minors of silver linings for uh covid was a lot more people started listening to podcasts yeah yeah no i and but by the way i would give back the million lives if we could have podcasts be less popular sure but hey this is the world that we're that we're left with all right yeah no and i i think you know for me and bob both that we are podcast fans ourselves like we came to this because we started being on podcasts in you know over a decade ago uh both of us independently of one another because we just

loved listening to podcasts all the time. And we wanted to be part of that, like just to, and it, it started being guests on other people's stuff. And slowly we, we felt we got better at it and then wanted to do it ourselves. And yeah, that's, and just the frustration of, yeah, but to remember in those April and May 2017 days of like, that this job just kept getting worse and worse and worse, but especially trying to pitch a podcast to these people, these not people at this job, and describe to them what podcasts are, as we already have. Like, no, we really have an actually successful podcast, so maybe you should listen to us. Nope, wouldn't listen at all and yeah just that i i wanted everybody should know that bob really helped

push me extra into this because bob wanted to quit before i did and i was being a stupid baby who thought that uh there was like honorate jobs or whatever just going like well i can't quit before e3 that wouldn't be right and uh i'm not saying you're a stupid baby but i was just uh more into burning bridges and i you were right nothing five years later nothing happened we don't need those guys if i ever need to ask that guy for a job again i'd i'd rather dig ditches than that you know i mean like i guess the last thing i'll say about that old place is like i i have wiped all memories of it from my head but every once in a while when uh i'm really enjoying what i do and it's been a fun recording day i'll be walking home i'll remember that when

we quit our jobs that boss said i think you guys are going to regret this and guess what has not never once in my life if i ever regretted that decision it's where my life began at 35. I know. I never, ever regret it ever. Yeah. And then, you know what happened? I think it was nine months after we quit, everybody got laid off. We would have been laid off. The writing was on the wall. And yeah, this is not about that job, but it's been so freeing.

And this goes back to unions. If our industry had any sort of union presence, we would be a lot happier. We would be more creative and productive and we wouldn't have been able to thrive instead of being treated like second class citizens at a workplace where we had no say in anything and no say in like the things that we knew better about because we were there for so long. Instead of viewed as easily replaceable cogs who do things that are worthless like writing. I mean, there's a reason we don't write anymore it is because like the well we like podcasting better and we all the tools we use to be writers yeah makes us good at podcasting frankly i've written enough it's been nothing but great stuff our lives have changed so much since it has all began uh i now i'm no longer like economically

insecure i can afford I can afford insurance. I am going to be moving to Canada. Nothing here will change, but it's like, wow, I can actually, uh, buy a condo with my wife. It's amazing. I never thought I would be able to do things like that. And, uh, yeah, it's just, it's so freeing. And, uh, talking about our lives changing, like, uh, Henry got married and I got married and so many things have happened in the past five years.

And I don't know if we would have been in the state to do all of those big life changes if we were being made miserable by a job we hated every day yeah i think uh when i think about like boy i i had a lot of depression back then i there were lots of causes for it but i definitely think having a job that told us we were worthless the whole time was part of it and yeah but to be more positive too i i really do thank all our supporters there's i'm sure that you there's some of you listening who have been there from the beginning thank you so much all the new signups and and more recent signups thank you too like you do make this able to be our full-time jobs i say it on ads all the time but it's true

and i i just so appreciate it and yeah this is the best job we've ever had i i want this to be my career forever i i know bob feels oh absolutely yeah and and so and uh i guess last thing i want to say about reflecting on the last five years well two things one i thank all our wonderful editors and of our podcast that helped us do this too and our amazing artists especially n Nina Matsumoto and Maddie cop, both who've done great, great art that makes, that is elevated the prestige of our group of our little podcast so much.

I will double down on those compliments without our editors. We could not put out as much content as we do. We used to do all the editing ourselves and doing that on top of research, posting, recording everything else that we do was kind of killing us i don't know how we did it for the first two years of the patreon but because of those editors we can put out so much more content and they do such a great job and like nobody noticed when we stopped editing yeah and also not just because i married her but nina's art

helped sell our podcast patreon as something very official and something that was being taken seriously. And without that art up front, I don't think it would be as successful as it has been. And of course, Maddie's art was also a big asset in terms of making all the great art for our tiers and the frames for our podcast, like talking Futurama and talking to the hill, things like that. Like I feel like that showing people that you're taking it seriously is a big part of selling your, uh, your Patreon, especially if you're taking it seriously is a big part of selling your uh your patreon especially if you're charging money for things so yeah i want people to know up front that like we take this seriously because this is our job yeah yeah and you know if you're

thinking of starting of a patreon or patreon style thing you know a big thing and there's so many artists out there who are are open for work and pay to be paid please pay your artists be an editors people but it is worth it like getting official art for your thing like is so so worth it and and i and support you know independent artists that's something too like that i i that was my second point i wanted to make that in especially the last five years I've seen so many cool people I like and also people we are like friends with or friendly with move over to Patreon and and grow or or similar things it's not just Patreon uh though Patreon has been good to us but to see so many people move over to this and go like wait why am I working for this giant company to have a ton of meetings to then finally

make the shit i want to make when i could probably make more money with being much more niche and not having to get approval on all this bullshit all the time and i think that it's just beautiful that like for us for example having 2,600 something supporters that that's all we need. Like we don't need to be as big as Conan O'Brien or Joe Rogan to be successful podcasters. We having such a wonderful, dedicated audience makes it possible. And it does it for so many other great podcasts out there that I just do love that it does feel like a community a community of other people who make stuff themselves and are outside of of the out of the system man but i do love that it's been great if i can praise the corporation right now it's been great to see patreon become the default for uh giving people

money for content yeah especially podcasts that was not the intended purpose of patreon just to be a podcast delivery service. That is what it's sort of become. And I'm very happy for that because it's no longer a special thing you need to talk people into. People have heard of Patreon. If they already listen to podcasts, they probably give to somebody else's Patreon to hear like one extra episode a week. So I feel like the more people on board Patreon creators and supporters, the better. And I feel like everything is going up from here.

I have no reservations about the platform or the future of it. I'm very happy with how everything has gone so far. And I was there before this Patreon when it was not built for podcasts and it was very hard to actually access bonus podcasts on the platform. But they changed it and it's been great ever since. Oh, yeah yeah just in the last five years as a podcast delivery system it has grown so much rss feeds are so easy downloading them like the app is very good for it too like yeah it's it's great and uh and yeah i here's it'll i was going to say five more years 50 more years yes i literally can't do anything else so

you're stuck with me and I wouldn't want to yes but am I I just consider like oh I'm gonna have to go through like job interviews and like what another video game website or also like have to like smile for a manager like you know what I really missed having a manager and like no they can smell the freedom on us they're like we don't want you you've worked for yourself for too long it's like uh it's like a why it's like an animal that went wild and then they try to turn it into a house cat again it's like you can't do it that happened to me after years of being unemployed i'm like wait why am i listening to this guy also we would have to like not to sound

too braggy but literally we would have to get a huge raise like over our old salaries to even match what we make now on Patreon. Like, yeah, they couldn't afford us. And we, we now live like comfortable middle-class lives. Yes.

Yeah. So very expensive place. Yes. And the most expensive place on earth. But yeah, again, we, every day we realize how incredibly lucky we are,

but we also acknowledge the amount of work we put in as well. And we take this very seriously. So like we we we are very grateful to everyone who supports us so thank you so much for supporting us over the past five years and please stick around because we are so excited about things you haven't heard or things you don't even know about yet yes there's some there's some really great stuff coming especially in the next couple months yeah so enough patting ourselves on the back my arm is getting sore uh let's move on to talk about our schedule. So the What a Cartoon July episode will be the Beast Wars episode Code of Hero. We're jumping back to the 90s for the fun, very melodramatic CGI Transformers series.

And this is a pivotal episode for the Shakespearean character of Dinobot. Yes. Forsooth, is this the end of Dinobot? The tragic tale of Dinobots. Yes. Forsooth, is this the end of Dinobots? The tragic tale of Dinobot. Yes, with top patron Devin joining us again. This was a great pick of his. We've also, it was just fun. Shockingly, it's our first Transformers one

we've ever done. But, well, you know, it just seems so obvious just to do regular old Transformers. That's all we haven't done Ninja Turtles yet, but we should. Yeah, yeah. Well, and hey i i have a feeling my pitch before and maybe it'll happen by the end this year i just want to skip straight to the transformers movie i don't want to do a regular episode of transformers i don't either i want i just want to do the movie let's just the movie's

the best transformers thing there ever was though code of hero close this re-watching this again reminded me of why i actually enjoyed mainframes beast wars a long time this is the one transformer series i watched so yeah it's a lot of fun check that out beginning july as for our uh patreon episode schedule so on the second monday of july you're going to hear the talking future episode for roswell that ends well with a special guest and guess what folks That's probably the best Futurama episode ever. I think so. I think it is the best.

Maybe not the funniest. We talked about it on that episode, but it's probably the best one. Yeah, I think it's their Who Shot Mr. Burns, meaning what feels like the apex of the entire thing they've been building up there. And it should have been the movie. It really should have been. Should have saved it for the movie. On the third Monday of July, you're going to get two talking the hill episodes one for the final

shinsault and one for leanne saga because we missed it in june you're going to get two in july so you're not missing anything you're gonna get two of those episodes so it's going to be a very jam-packed july oh yes yeah fine we're catching up we're again apologies and thanks for everybody for understanding nobody complains so i'm very happy to see that well you know as as you said we we do work very hard to to get everything up on on time and the few times we miss a deadline i think i i think this is maybe the second ever and the other time was like a day late for something i think maybe uh one king of the hill episode was 12 hours later than normal that's right so we have a pretty good track record don't hold it against us.

Yes. Look forward to those. And then for What a Cartoon Movie in July, we're going to be talking about Beauty and the Beast as part of our Disney Renaissance Summer. Again, you'll get to hear the extended free preview of that if you are on the free feed or if you're a $5 patron. If you're a $10 patron and up, you can hear the entire episode. It'll probably be like five hours long.

I would think so. Yes. Please be our guest to listen to that's right but be a paying guest there's a cover at the door unlike you know what we won't ask you to be imprisoned with us like the cost to be a guest in in the beast castle it's true we will never ask you that uh and as for august we're going to be wrapping up our disney renaissance summer with a new poll as to which movie we'll be doing that month so we have our choices will be rescuers down under pocahontas mulan or tarzan so there you have it folks love it tarzan yes those are those are the

final four of official disney renaissance that we have not covered as a what a cartoon movie at this point you know i i hate i don't know what i would guess would win on that the uh rescuers down under has performed very well in the past uh though if uh if i may boost her for one uh i really like mulan quite a lot i love i love the songs have not seen it i love the queer allegory of it as well you know then i and and leah salong sings, and she's one of my favorite Broadway performers. She was previously the singing voice of Jasmine, and she's the singing voice for Milan in it as well. I don't want to make Henry do Pocahontas,

but we're going to have to do it at some point. Look, I'm sure there's tons of interesting research on Pocahontas. It's a great-looking movie. Sure, sure. Hey, she's easy on the eyes. Am I right? Well, hey, I feel that way about Tarzan, to be honest. Honestly, seeing Tarzan sketching around and basically skateboarding on vines and stuff,

that's pretty cool, too. But it reminds me of Bad Kingdom Hearts levels now. Oh, well, sure. Well, if we're holding that against it, we shouldn't have done The Little Mermaid either. Oh, God, that's true. Yeah. So that's it for us again uh please check out the patreon if you're not a patron we have new episodes we have three episodes on the patreon

this month and also what a cartoon movie so there's a lot happening on the patreon at patreon.com slash talking simpsons so let's talk about our personal stuff i recorded talk to the audience uh with you at the end of may, like the third week of May. And my wife heard it and she's like, why didn't you mention your 40th birthday? And I was like, oh, as soon as I got back, I started working on the Toy Story 3 podcast. I forgot I turned 40. That's right. So I turned 40 on May 7th. And guess what?

My life has not changed in any measurable way. But I had a very nice 40th birthday celebration with my wife. And we also saw one thing I forgot to mention. We saw the HMS Pinaforefore a live performance of it in vancouver so when we get to cape fear again i can talk all about who buttercup is uh i can't wait i can't wait i'm i'm at least gonna watch a recorded version of it but if i can see a live one before it's worth it before the end of next year when we get to cape fear yeah and i would guess definitely worth it or the start of 2024 actually it might be mid 2024 yeah you will see your performance before then maybe maybe i'll see it again uh so uh as so yeah great great times 40th birthday my life is great and 40 is not a big

deal if you're about to turn 40 don't worry yeah maybe 50 i'll be a little more worried you know what that's how i'm feeling right now thank you for telling me that. Yeah, don't worry about it, Henry. I've got 10 weeks of my 30s left right now. Live them up. So as for playing video games, I'm taking a break from Elden Ring because I'm traveling too much. And when you take a week off from Elden Ring, you're like, where am I? What am I doing? I have to look at my notebook that I have with my handwritten quests in it.

So I'm waiting until I have a stretch of time where I'm not moving anywhere to play more of it. But I've played like 50 hours so far. It's just very hard to jump in and out of if you're moving around a lot. No, that makes sense. But I did finish Paper Mario the Origami King. I will say like with all these games, these Paper Mario

games, they really start to lose their novelty value once you get to the end. And this game pulls some serious bullshit at the end that I was like i don't know if i want to finish this but i stuck it through i i saw a picture of that in-game content or one of those late battles i was like yuck yeah this it sounds like again the the is every paper mario where the the novelty gets stretched so thin by the end of it that it's just like homework you're basically it should be about half its length but yeah i thought it was funny that when you finish the game it just sort of like bam ending credits like we know you're sick of this that's funny you're

not gonna run around and talk to anyone so yes uh also because i'm a weirdo i've been playing things on the wii u and that is nuts i finished splatoon one single player content yes that's wild i only played a few levels of it and i was like oh this is just a bone thrown to people who don't want to play multiplayer it's not for me it's a great little mini nintendo game that most people probably haven't touched so because of that i'm going to splatoon 2 and i'm playing single player content in that and in the dlc as well because it's just like oh it's these fun little mini platform games that it's just like a component of a multiplayer game but they're still very well made yeah no i i've always liked splatoon just fine but i'm just not much of a

shooter guy these days so even every time i play splatoon i'm like oh this seems fun but also i'm i i just don't like online play all that much it's not one of my things as you know i'm about to finally re-engage with final fantasy 14 because you can play it with bots more now you're so anonymous in splatoon though well sure it's the baby multiplayer that you're asking for it's true no i'm really excited for splatoon 3 uh the tragedy behind splatoon 2 is i put over 100 hours into it because nothing was kept on the server side when i got mugged and my switch was stolen there was no way to recover that save because it never uploaded because it didn't let you so i really fucking hope they have some safeguard about that because with the new

animal crossing new horizons i think they let you actually download your save data once because they were worried about people using saves to kind of like cheat the system which people are going to cheat the system anyway yeah play it but uh yeah let me do that i don't plan on getting mugged again but i really want to put a lot of time into splatoon 3 because i put so much time into splatoon 2 and that was not the worst part about being mugged but it was like a little sour aftertaste where it's like they took they've got my splatoon save no bob when you uh when you said uh i don't plan on getting mugged anymore i imagined you were like patting a gun under your holster so not gonna happen you try it uh no but my head is on a swivel ever since

that fateful night and i will say that i've been playing a lot of monster hunter rise because uh the expansion comes out on june 30th sunbreak really excited about that i still have a bit more to go to before i can actually get to the dlc content but i'm having a lot of fun going back to that because i played like 50 hours in jan and February put it away and now I'm getting back into it so looking forward to that yeah they just announced a bunch of DLC as part of not e3 festivities this month yeah as for watching stuff I'm still quietly watching Dragon Ball I'm a little over halfway through the entire Dragon Ball series not Z uh I'm about to head into the second Budokai arc, which is when he fights Tien Shinhan.

Yeah, yeah. And I don't know what's going to happen in that. Again, this is all basically new to me. It's so crazy to, again, for me, the experience of watching Dragon Ball Z that starts with all these side characters who just get basically murdered by Vegeta in their first arc,

to then go back and re-watch dragon ball and see when they were like the enemies of an arc instead like tn this is all very trite things to say and but i'll say them it's my podcast it is funny to see how it starts and what it evolves into where pretty early on it's like well no goku is so much more powerful than everybody and these friends should never come with him on any adventure because they're all just like they're all essentially ballast, as Martin would say. Yes. Yeah. You know, in later Dragon Ball Z stuff, you know, when they all die, they get trained by King Kai and they level up a little bit. They can never catch up. They basically are just like, well, you're behind him as much as you were before you leveled up to still be behind him a bunch but not to be so insignificant like say bulba is most of the time yeah and it's like you know you know

two shapeshifters can they come with you can't they be useful absolutely not yeah well hey they were they were helpful against rice pilaf but not so much against uh against a space nazi or two yeah uh a gay pedophile nazi who boy that's killed by rla from dr slump that's right yes yeah i forgot about that fun in that fun crossover but yes more stuff i've been back to the gym for a month i'm trying to get lose a little weight because i had some fun over my birthday and because of that i'm getting back into one piece i just finished the watching the davy back arc i've read far beyond that but it's fun to see the animated adaptation of it it's fun it's basically it's an underrated arc because it's like a little mini arc in between like two epic big arcs and it's essentially uh luffy and

the crew basically do an episode of wacky races with this count chocula looking guy they basically actually know it's like laugh olympics they do a bunch of like sporting events and it's really fun and it's like it's canon too It's not filler or anything like that. It probably helps you, inspires you more working out, too, because you see all these buff pirate bodies. You're like, I'm going to be that. I'm on the elliptical saying, I'm just like Luffy. I'm wiry but strong. I'll have Luffy's abs real soon.

Let's say if you see a guy with a straw hat at the gym, it's me. Actually, I'm wearing a headband because all that sweat gets in my little eyes. Watching a lot of things with mostly with my wife. So it's one of those movies that's been referenced at the time, but I've never seen it. Cool Hand Luke. It's great. I don't need to tell you this. I've only seen the clips.

I've never seen it. Speaking of sweaty guys with good bodies, it's full of them. And yeah, that guy, he's got a really cool hand and it's a great movie. It's about how the prison system will eventually destroy you no matter how cool you are. Is that also the one where he eats a bunch of eggs? Yes. Okay. There's a great movie. It's about how the prison system will eventually destroy you no matter how cool you are. Is that also the one where he eats a bunch of eggs? Yes. Okay.

There's a famous egg eating scene. Right, right, okay. Not to spoil it. There's no, that's not a spoiler. Yeah. But yeah, Cool Hand Luke,

more like Cool Movie Luke. And you all, you were part of this too, Henry. Spoilers, I mean, I think it's out by now, but we podcasted about E.T. for Retronauts.

You can hear all of our thoughts on the two-hour podcast with Diamond Fight but yeah fantastic movie I have not watched it as an adult and guess what guys Spielberg good good director at least he used to be yeah he used to be still is he still is you know that West Side Story was pretty good but yeah it was I also watched it this last month and seeing it as an adult instead of being a kid projecting myself onto the kids in it is it's a it as an adult instead of being a kid projecting myself onto the kids in it is it's uh it was a fun change of pace yeah i hadn't watched in a very long time and i i also just kind of loved watching it because it's like it was this giant blockbuster that did not create a whole like universal lore and there's not a million sequels to it it just

gets to be its own little thing yes it's it's very, very adorable, that little wrinkled weirdo. Speaking of little wrinkled weirdos. So I won't say too many things about this, but I did watch Rankin Bass's The Hobbit for the first time for a future episode, but not about The Hobbit. So figure that out for yourselves. I bet some people might be able to. But I talked plenty about it. You'll hear it probably in August. And because Nina wanted to watch a romantic comedy, I also for the first time you've got mail uh it is a very light and fluffy movie but it is very very naive in an end of history kind of way where uh tom hanks plays the devil yeah and he destroys

a woman's life but she still falls in love with him it's just business yes it's like well i mean it's 1998 i mean but if someone ruins your life, there's just a pile of money waiting for you around the next corner. Yes, yeah. She's, yeah, Meg Ryan's pretty fine. Yeah. She gets over pretty well. It's also like...

Oh, sorry, go ahead. Well, what movie these days would cast Tom Hanks as best friends with Dave Chappelle? Like, that would not be a movie. This was like the last year tom hanks could play a romantic lead because he is not in great shape in that movie i was surprised i was like tom hanks is not like he's not fat in the movie but he is very out of shape and i'm like this is the guy i gotta be looking at for the entire two hours two hours by the way you know he got in uh cast

away was the last time he really got cut for a movie well i wouldn't say cut actually just star yeah that was two years later and i mean it's really funny because in that movie tom hanks you know ruthless capitalist he's basically a republican but hey it doesn't matter it's the 90s you can date whoever you want and he destroys this uh meg ryan's local bookstore that's essentially the last living legacy of her mother and uh he feels really bad about it and i'm thinking oh when does he help her open a new bookstore when when does when does he help her get back on her feet that is not in the movie at all that's not even implied yeah and it's extra evil because after her bookstore closes she visits his bookstore and I'm like oh this is when she finds out it's going to be an awful bookstore it's like no it's

a palace it turns out big business can do it better than you and your stupid dead mother that's horrible yeah it's like oh actually this place is really great like yeah that's what everybody thinks when they go to walmart it's like this place is really great it is such a late 90s movie uh because it's like great caneers in it and he does a great job but it's like you know who sucks people who care about things oh fuck this guy yeah that's right he's annoying also it's about out like oh emails can you imagine like you he sent an email to a person yeah one major flaw in the movie this is not the you've got mail podcast i gotta talk about it though one major flaw is that it's 1998 these characters are on their laptops they're snuggling up in bed they're sending each other ims i don't

see a single ethernet cable sticking out of those wi Wi-Fi does not exist yet. Yeah, wait a minute. Yes. How are they communicating, I ask you? Yes, big flaw in that movie. And it's set in San Francisco, is it? No, New York. Oh, it is, of course. Hey, what better place to be in New York than in 1998?

Yes, yeah. Move away in two years, maybe. Consider that. Oh, man. Yeah, terrible movie. Or, well, I don't know. Maybe it's at least, like, cute. It at least functions like a romantic comedy that at the end you go like, man. Yeah, terrible movie. Or, well, I don't know. Maybe it's at least, like, cute.

It at least functions as, like, a romantic comedy that at the end you go, like, aw. It left a bad taste in my mouth when Meg Ryan at the end, she doesn't know it's Tom Hanks. That was her secret pen pal. But she knows Tom Hanks is the guy who ruined her life. And in the last moment when the devil wins, he sees her and she sees him and she says, I was hoping it would be you. And they kiss. Right, right right now i remember god she should have stayed with great kaneer boy i agree but he got to date uh parker posey yeah he ends up with a better uh girl who cares about things uh you know they're both they're both beautiful women it's not a contest yeah i'm more of a

parker posey guy uh moving on last movie i watched is The Fugitive. I had never seen it. Great movie. Yes. People referenced the first half the most because it's the best. I did enjoy it. It's funny when I was watching it that I was thinking, boy, Harrison Ford feels like he's a little too old for this. That was 30 years ago.

Yeah. So I look forward to Indiana Jones sitting around and looking at things. Yeah. No, to skip ahead to mine, I watched Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade this week. I saw that yeah and uh google told me that sean connery was 58 when he filmed it or when the film released and that is more than 20 years younger than harrison ford is now like sean connery played an old man in that movie i don't think he was that much older than harrison ford in that movie yeah him and harrison ford are like uh 15 years apart so he was that much older than Harrison Ford in that movie. Yeah, him and Harrison Ford are like 15 years apart.

So he was playing old as well, but still. So other stuff that went on, we went to a Weird Al concert. Hell yeah. It was his self-indulgent vanity tour where he only played his style parodies. Although there were a few times where he dipped into his song parodies. Got a little bit of it, yeah. But hey, folks, he still got it, as does Emo Phillips, who did the opening 30-minute comedy act. where he dipped into you know his song parodies got a little bit of it yeah but uh hey folks he still got it as does emo phillips who did the opening 30 minute comedy act yeah weird al guess

what everyone's sitting down they're all in their early 60s or older we're all sitting we're all sitting down yeah but uh it was great and i wanted him to play nature trail to hell and he did so my dream of seeing that song in person in concert came true i doubt he would ever play that at a normal concert yeah that's what's great i love that he's just been like you know what you've seen me sing eat it and fat so many times you don't need to or yeah white and nerdy i've done it and also he doesn't want it he like you said he's getting older doesn't want to do like five costume changes just for each little thing you know my my mom mentioned my mom saw weird alan concert like 17 years ago she's xena more and she's she loved all of the pop

and circumstance i bet it is cool but i liked being in a smaller venue to see him perform the like the uhf theme song like he's never gonna sing that also on stage like that was great i i was a little sad that unfortunately he did two nights in sf and uh he was selling it on i do different sets each night so buy tickets to both nights so unfortunately dare to be stupid and skipper dan where those was the night before so i missed out we meant we missed out on those but i love the song it was still like two hours of music, too. Yeah, yeah. The Deep Cuts, the UHF song, loved hearing that.

I loved hearing You Don't Love Me Anymore and Bob as another great one, the Anagram song. I liked hearing I Remember Larry. Yeah, that's a great one. Oh, and the Real Big Fish style parody of the horoscopes. That's a really fun one, too. Yeah, a lot of fun Deep Cuts. Sorry, go ahead. Oh, and Emo Phillips. of the horoscopes yeah that's a really fun one too yes yeah a lot of fun deep cup sorry good oh and emo phillips his his stand-up was very funny especially because he had actually disgusting jokes

that had no uh dirty words in it yes yes i enjoyed the waves of disgust he produced in the audience yeah if i could repeat one it was about getting a bad coffee and he's like it's like incest you're sacrificing quality for convenience and i was like oh my god he sort of just like walks away from the joke as everyone reacts yes he's great but but yeah weird al concert totally worth it i'm so glad seven months ago we decided let's finally do this and yeah that That was right. It was a Christmas present for my wife. Also, because Nina was visiting, we were in San Francisco. And then the touristy area, we decided to go to the Walt Disney Family Museum. It's a museum, I guess, run by his family.

I don't know who runs it, but it's just about him. And it covers his entire life from his birth until 1966, I believe, when he passes away. Very cool. Obviously biased. birth until 1966 i believe when he passes away uh very cool obviously biased although you know when it comes to like the the big strike that really changed the company they do feel obligated to say well here's what some other people thought but it's framed as it's like this is was disney's darkest moment he really felt bad about it so yeah i mean obviously it was on his side yeah well uh yeah i i haven't been there in a very long time i only went there

because it's where the press event for i'm pointing at it because i just bought the blu-ray of it wreck it ralph uh it was very cheap blu-ray but anyway when i went to that i was like oh this is cool because yeah i believe it is that the disney family his daughters they owned all this stuff that they didn't want to sell to the disney company so that's why like this is a family owned and operated one that is separate from the disney company but full of disney collectibles like you also get i believe there's the thing that i remember being so impressed by on top of just all of the cool disney honest stuff was they actually had like some of his oscars there and just seeing like an oscar in front of you was really cool i took a picture of

the oscar from snow white and also the the seven little oscars that came oh that's so cool and yeah it's a great museum obviously incredibly biased for walt disney it's fun to see some you know here's like the first mickey drawing and here's like cells from ancient animated features and like every room is like a different portion of the history it's a very well constructed museum much bigger than you think it would be although speaking of smoking one thing i noticed is like well disney was a chain smoker he was never not smoking no photo of him smoking and then you get to the end of the museum and it's like suddenly at the end of the museum it's like walt disney while going in for a standard surgery for something in his neck they found uh you know cancerous growth in his lung

and within months he was dead but it's never like because of the smoking that was never cited so you know you think it would be like a message of hope saying and we of course hope that you don't smoke because you know his this great man's life was cut short but it never mentions anything about smoking and there's not one picture that i can find of a cigarette in his hands in the entire museum and there's tons of candid photos of him with his family I'm sure maybe there's a few of him smoking a cigarette because he was always smoking but yeah I know that's like a notorious thing the Disney company tries to get rid of is the smoking and like in Saving Mr. Banks was that an issue too yes it was

because they did not show him smoking in the movie but I think they had to admit that he does smoke or did smoke. So you hear him coughing off screen, and if you're a real fanatic looking for it, I believe you can see an ashtray on his desk, but Tom Hanks, as Disney, doesn't smoke on camera in it either. Yeah. I mean, when you see archive footage of him in the 60s and late 50s, you're like, well, this is the phlegmy horse voice of a guy sucking down three packs of unfiltered cigarettes a day.

And also a lot of canned chili. Yes. Well, yeah. You can see the cans of chili. I remember you shared a picture of that can of chili. That's amazing. Yes. So, you know, go to San Francisco, get a bus to the Presidio. It's a great place to go. If you want to take in everything, it's probably like three hours. Well, and the like golden gate park's just a nice area it is yeah yeah but yes definitely recommend it i also saw little shop of horrors for the second time a live performance the first time was a high school version so this is the first time i saw it i saw it at our local community theater the berkeley playhouse very very good performances all around henry i very much encourage you to go see this

especially because we're deep in ashmintown with these two podcasts back to back yeah i think uh you know i've got a little free time while while you're out of town uh in a couple days so i think i think uh especially that since it's so very close i i think me and the husband are gonna see it's a five minute ride and i will shame you if you don't go okay and it's very cheap too but it's it's a it was a great performance and i feel bad because uh you know we i watched it after we did our little mermaid podcast but i also realized oh uh we talked about ursula being a drag performance audrey too's a drag performance absolutely and it just struck me while watching the play i'm like oh why didn't i mention this but i will say uh that's better than every disney movie a little shop of horrors better music than any disney movie any But I will say that's better than every Disney movie, Little Shop of Horrors.

Better music than any Disney movie. Any single Disney movie. Yeah, that's where it all comes together. But yeah, definitely. If you're in the Berkeley area, it's playing until July 3rd and I'm probably going to see it on closing night. So don't assassinate me while I'm there. I'm letting you know where I will be on a certain day.

Maybe I'll buy tickets the day before. Who knows? Now's your chance. Henry, what's going on with you? Well, so yeah, month uh for video games i took it a little easier to uh the only game that i really well i only played two games uh one is shredder's revenge uh the tmnt arcade throwback type game and it is as good as people are saying that's great i've played a lot of arcadey beat-em-up throwbacks because uh listeners

will know from listening to our simpsons arcade episode me and bob loved those types of games growing up and going back to this game especially in the bright bright colors of the turtle world to have it feel like a game from 1989 uh it's great i just but it's also like the nostalgia is doing a lot of work but the gameplay is really fun like they they deepen it just enough so it doesn't feel just like a quarter muncher like it does have deeper combos and gameplay i've heard they found ways to make that experience uh more of like a fun viable experience in 2022 i mean when you play one of those old games emulated you're like well the it was more of a high stakes experience when you were feeding it money yeah that was where the excitement was coming from you're like oh i need three quarters

to kill mr burns and that's why this like they had to find new avenues for like tension and excitement in it and there's some really great references i've been i'm only in uh i've been episode six of it and also i really like that they draw really funny jokes. In the opening levels, the Foot Clan are just doing silly things in the background that just make people go like, Ah, that's funny. Why are those guys doing that? It's full of great, great comedy. And also, right before playing it, my husband was like, We gotta beat Streets of Rage 4.

So he finally turned on Streets of Rage 4 and beat it. And it's also a very good beat-em-up throwback. I know Double Dragon 4 was bad. I forgot about Streets of Rage 4. Yes, yeah. No, Streets of Rage 4 is really good. And actually, I also want to say, I had already played it to completion before, but I replayed it again recently.

If you like arcade beat-em-ups like that one and throwbacks, the one that our pal Matt matt mcmuscle's produced on the takeover is also a very very fun one too in its own way so you know if you're in beat-em-up uh mindsets like i am right now uh there's a wealth of great ones to play and that cowabunga collection is coming out this year too that's right yeah i mean i'm totally gonna play that that our that our pal chris kohler worked on and who here's hoping konami was given with those maybe they could make something happen with the simpsons you know maybe a simpsons i saw a pitch by bill mudren on twitter a simpsons style shredders revenge would be the greatest thing ever god yes so good sorry you have it now sorry to

immediately disappoint you with knowing it doesn't exist yet. And also, I wanted to say a shout out again to another of our guests, our pal Dan Reichert, who had previously been working on podcasts at WWE. He has returned to Giant Bomb as their creative director. And so I just want to say congrats. And Jeff Gertzman was stepping down, and now he's got his own very successful Patreon. Yeah, Jeff Gertzman is gone down, and now he's got his own very successful Patreon. Yeah, Jeff Gertzman is gone. Patreon funded himself, left Giant Bomb, and Dan Ryker came back.

He sounded like he was very happy to not work at WWE anymore, so I'm happy for him with that, too. And him and Giant Bomb, they're a great combo, as are all the other cool people that work at giant bomb now to cooling a void burger. Who's a pal. That's right. That's right. I was happy to see her succeed. And,

uh, meanwhile though, that summer games fast P U. Nothing that interesting. Healy stunk up the joints. There really was. Yeah. I should have known beforehand when he was saying like temper your

expectations. That means like, yeah, this won't be that. Their big crowning reveal was the friggin a remake of last of us that looks exactly the same if you ask me this one character looks older yeah who cares man i you you bob you got lit up on twitter for saying you don't care about what last of us oh yeah uh the director of the game quote retweeted me yes yeah yeah but uh but so

that was it with games i was really hoping for a nintendo direct this month and we didn't get it uh but as for movies i saw top gun maverick uh that was pretty good propaganda it's uh it's honestly amazing to look at the them flying around and they're really flying around and the light actually reflects on them because they're not in a fucking green screen basement i didn't watch watch the movie, but I saw that scene because of the eight minute long trailer for it. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's a very, very long trailer.

You got the gist of it. It's about how Tom Cruise is better than all these young people. He sure is. If that's the one lesson you come away from, it is that Tom Cruise is still viable, not old and useless, and that everybody has something to learn from him. And you know what seeing the new top gun inspired me to get a father's day gift for my stepdad who's a big

top gun fan i got him a black shirt that in the top gun font says top dad oh nice and he wore it to a screening of top gun maverick they're like right this way sir you were in the top dad program he said he did get some thumbs up that day and uh i saw last crusade talked about that on the heels of et i've been watching that stranger things 4 though taking my time with it but uh it's good it's good it's fun it's fun to watch something in the zeitgeist as my husband says but related to that stranger things 4 has brett gellman in it and that led me to tell my husband like brett gellman is the funniest and we gotta watch eagle heart so we've been flying through eagle heart

uh i'd seen it before obviously but uh but we're in the season uh we just finished season two and we're about to start season three so i met brett gellman my one one of one of a few brushes with fame and i sat down next to him and ken marino not knowing it and i said oh yeah you're brett gellman i love eagle heart and he seemed surprised that somebody was watching you heart that was that's so nice i like that you know you had to remind me after we saw emo phillips that i had met emo phillips i had forgotten that that i had i met him at a star trek convention of all places he wasn't wearing his emo wig though no no but let's not let's not blow up his spot here yeah but uh also this month i uh watched some gay streaming stuff there's that new queer animated series on netflix called dead end paranormal park uh the first episode was neat i liked it i like that it stars a plus-sized gay trans man as the main character voiced by a uh trans actor as well which i really like and

and yeah that it's uh and it's got kind of a gravity falls type of vibe to it if you're looking for shows like that it's it's cute and but more openly gay because netflix isn't as puritanical as disney but they just kill they hire the gays and then cancel their shows but at least let a gay person make a show they give them a little hope for sn hire the gays and then cancel their shows. At least let a gay person make a show. They give them a little hope for snatching it away. And then I also watched the gay romantic comedy Fire Island. I watched that with my

husband starring Joel Kim Booster who also wrote it and Bo and Yang. It's a really good movie. It adapts Pride and Prejudice but the family of elizabeth bennett is instead a found family of a bunch of gay guys who are lower class gay dudes who visit fire island and they feel out of place among all of the bougie rich assholes who are ruining

fire island with their rich white gayness and uh and yes if you know the plot of pride and prejudice as i do i could tell my husband like oh well that guy's this guy and that's this guy's that guy is it the mr darcy book yes it is the mr darcy yes yeah it's really uh and obviously i haven't read the book i've just watched multiple adaptations of it but that's the same as reading jane austen right yeah sure uh but but it's a really good gay movie, and Joel Kim Booster and Bo and Yang especially, really, really great. And as is Margaret Cho.

It's really good. It doesn't pass the Bechdel test, as people joked about online. And lastly, of watching stuff, I have been really getting back into Iron Chef for two reasons. Old Iron Chef is on Peacock, 200-something episodes

of the American localization of the old show. And then there's a brand new season of American Iron Chef on Netflix, which is actually pretty good so far. I really like it. It makes Chop look like a pile of puke. It does.

Honestly, I love, even in the American version, 20 years later into it, it still keeps some of the anime trappings of the original Iron Chef that I still love about it. And they got back Mark Dacascos to play the American chairman as well, who says he's the nephew of the original chairman. I watched a bit of Chopped, actually, with my wife in the past, and it's too sad of a

show for me to watch because it's these people saying like, oh, you gonna do with the money it's like well my son needs legs and i'm competing to win him some legs or it's like i've always wanted to start a restaurant they're not always that sad but it's like oh this tuna's a little chewy yeah it looks like your life is over get the fuck out you've been chopped damn man see on iron chef you're just watching a very successful chef try to do better than a more successful chef. Yeah, they're already doing very well. But on Chopped, it's like, please, my children are starving. Why don't you make me mac and cheese with bacon bits and we'll talk about feeding your children. Come on.

And of course, by the time you've listened to this, we'll have watched that new Beavis and Butthead do the universe thing. But it's not out for two more days oh this time I'm looking forward to it so much and hey maybe it'll be a future what a cartoon movie if it's good I think so our friend Ian Jones Cordy he got to see the premiere of it or like an internal screening of it and said it was great he loved it and last bit about live things I did yes I went to las vegas yes i got coveted in las vegas you of course are because you're surrounded by people and they're probably not wearing masks and they're probably and they might not be vaccinated i didn't see that many punisher logo shirts though i'll say i there were certainly mega shirts all around and yeah and

jerks but uh mostly we went to the gayest and nerdiest things well close to the gayest and nerdiest things uh you can do in vegas we didn't go to a drag show in vegas though honestly that's what my husband and i agreed on why go to this like drag show well that's going to be full of straight people i don't want to go to a straight people drag show there's so many drag shows here you can go to and we're not going to those so yeah but but we did go to the wax museum in which you just full of like there were uh there were two other guys who were just two guys hanging out i was like those are also a gay couple at this thing but the wax museum i got to stand next to a full-sized the rock and who was uh just like the rock in real life is promoting his brand of tequila.

He's holding up his tequila glass right there. You could have stolen that from that wax man. Unfortunately, it was wax tequila. Oh, jeez. Can't drink that. And also a reason we went to it is because they had a Marvel thing there, so it was also like a wax giant Hulk that you can stand inside the Hulk's giant fist or a hand in it. And then we went to the big pinball museum,

which was really neat. A lot of classic pinball machines. And I'd say 20% of it was classic arcade machines too. So yeah, if you're a gamer in Las Vegas, pinball museum is good to check out. And of course I went to a W's all elite wrestling's double or nothing. I got to see some amazing matches.

I got to see Rancid come out and play the song Ruby Soho live. Well, that's what you get if you COVID. I mean, it's in their name. They're diseased. Oh, damn. You're right. How many matches did you go to? How many events were there?

Well, so Friday there was one show that was about three hours. And then Sunday there was a six-hour pay-per-view which you know my parent my mom and stepdad were going to go to and didn't and when it got into the sixth hour of that show i was like they probably wouldn't be having any fun now but i got to watch cm punk win the big title and after that i was like i'm feeling so excited i'm gonna go to the show at the end of june too And then CM Punk got injured. And then a couple more people got injured. And then I got COVID.

And I was like, you know what? I don't want to go to another wrestling show four weeks later. At the time you're listening to this, Forbidden Door has happened. Hopefully it was better than I expected it. It's just CM Punk got injured. All these people, Brian Danielson might be injured. All my favorites are hurt now, Bob. They're all getting old now.

No, they'll live forever. They're wrestlers who live forever. They don't suffer from long concussions. Too much clean living from CM Punk. I think that's what's doing it. He is straight edge for life, man. But yeah, so anyway, Vegas was fun. I didn't win.

I won $400 on a machine and then lost that $400. But I was even Steven. I didn't win I won $400 on a machine and then lost that $400 but I was even Steven I didn't go into the hole any I forgot to mention that as of this release on Patreon I'll be at Summer Games Done Quick not not competing but just there to soak up the video game fun so look for me there listeners and your wife

have made an amazing button for it as she always does yeah yeah a great pin and guess what? It's very easy to find us. We're a very obvious couple. Yes. I think you'll stick out. Yes.

Let's move on to Talking Simpsons comments. Up first is She of Little Faith, and Robert Denby says, The right stuff is pretty damn good. More raunchy and cynical than you might expect. Emphasizing the dangers of being a test pilot in the early U.S..s space program three hours but it flies by and it's got a terrific cast ed harris the recently departed fred ward sam shepherd veronica cartwright the oft imitated shot of the astronauts walking to the launch pad isn't even in slow motion i think because of futurama and monsters inc everyone thinks it is both independence day and armageddon lift entire scenes from it wow yeah i didn't know

that it wasn't in slow motion. Me neither. In my imagination, it was always in, because Deep Space Homer, that's the earliest one I remember seeing in slow motion. Do you think it's people misremembering it like 30 years ago and writing jokes? Like, oh yeah, remember that slow motion scene?

They're like, oh yeah, the slow motion scene. I think so, yeah. That's crazy to hear it's not in slow. I'm not surprised that it's three hours long because I remember it as two VHSs on a shelf not surprised that it's three hours long because i remember is it it has two vhs's on a shelf right so now every movie is three hours long so it's like who cares like i i might also i could go for some more ed harris in my life i like him a lot the only right stuff memory i have in my head is like one of the first mad magazines i bought had a right stuff parody in

it it's probably called the Wrong Stuff, let's say. And at one point in the parody, they meet up with some sexy stewardesses, and then they say, hey, fellows, we're about to break the sex barrier. And I'm like, that is a naughty joke, and I'm seven. That's fun. Man, you know, when I think of Right Stuff parodies,

I think of Weird Al's cover of the white the white stuff right oh oh oh oh oh he only did one new kids parody right yeah it's all he by the time he would have made a second one they weren't the popular anymore uh kat hayberg also on that episode says the episode also originally aired at the perfect time for me as a young teen who was very over church my parents told me i had to go to ccd classes the catholic thing for public school kids and sunday church until confirmation and then i was home free and could do what i wanted that didn't make sense to me because confirmation is supposed to be when you decide and confirm that you do want to be a catholic which i did not like i literally could stop being catholic only after i publicly

declared i was catholic it made no sense so when i watched this with my parents and the so you're just going to pay lip service to our church that's all i ever asked part came up my sister and i both looked at our mom and were like that's just like you mom she didn't like that but also she couldn't argue oh that's very cute yeah that's i guess the confirmation is like your last party as a catholic or if you're bringing friends over to like we're gonna celebrate sally's confirmation or whatever i get that but yeah it's funny that the act of it is confirming you're a catholic but it's actually for her to quit being a catholic i was never confirmed. I was baptized.

I got my first communion like at age 14, not at age eight. And it was time to get confirmed. And I was like, that's a lot of work and I don't care. Nobody put any pressure on me, but I don't have a confirmation name. But I regret to tell everybody, our country is on the verge of being taken over by extremist Catholics. So we're all going to have to get confirmed soon. So get your name in quickly. I'm going to have to look up a bunch of latin names for my confirmation name yes that's how it works right i think so well they dropped latin in the 60s oh all right there are some traditionalists but hey we'll be speaking exactly we're all gonna be speaking latin when

president amy coney barrett is sworn in oh yeah and joe biden's gonna go like well what do you expect me to do i can't sign an executive order on this. Vote, Bob. I'm sure they had lots of fun lunches together where they agreed on a lot of things. Anyway, the president is bad. Let's talk about The Simpsons. Like Father, Like Clown is up next. And Micah says, at least in the original jazz singer, the blackface has extra meaning. Back then in America, audiences wouldn't allow a Jewish performer to take the stage as a Jew or jewish performer wouldn't be booked in many venues would be blacklisted etc but as a blackface character

the places would allow it and the audience would eat it up so although it has aged poorly at the time it is key to the point of the story and has a parallel to the clown makeup in this episode so great point yeah that's a great point mike oh wow they'd Like how sad it is that or I guess that's a very American story that like using using one type of racism to skirt around a different type of racism. Like, well, these people are anti-Semitic to me. But if I just help them laugh at black people, they'll like me on stage. Who do you hate more than Jewish people? Black people. That's right.

That does have extra meaning to it. But obviously, context free free as people like me experienced it it's just like yeah he does blackface and it's very sad that the first sound talky there ever was and sound in a movie was a blackface performance hey uh it's been said by people smarter than me but uh minstrel shows were like some of the first pop culture in america yeah invented by us good what a great legacy which is why it's in like all media up until like i don't know 1980 yeah i'd say about that nah it's leading to the 90s the minstrel shows just got a little better yeah yeah well you charge our banks never mind yes exactly uh or as it also is whoopi goldberg agreed apu for, for instance. Right, right. And her husband, or boyfriend, did blackface.

Yes, yeah. That was a joke. Yeah. The Friars really appreciated that. All right. Kat Haberg also said about that episode, I grew up in West Michigan in the 90s, and our Liz was named Miranda. We did get WGN, but we also had our own local bozo.

His name was, is, I think he's still alive. Genuinely, actually, Dick Richards. My mother loathed him. He used to emcee my dance recitals. Not in clown garb, sadly. When I was little, and just as I'd imagined Krusty himself would have, he would tell lots of old Catskill comic, even vaudeville-esque style jokes. And she found them, and she found many of them

sexist and offensive I can still hear it I just don't think mother-in-law jokes are appropriate for a children's dance recital that does sound like something Marge would say yes yeah I just don't think mother-in-law jokes are appropriate for a children's dance recital god uh I I really listened to that episode and I love the voice of bob bell there's though this wheezing smell like cancerous clown talking about atari games look at this new video game kids it's great you can win it on show and he he survived into your lifetime that's amazing yes yeah uh this is reminds me of uh i had an astronomy class in college it was taught by a guy named dr young he was very old dr young he was in his 70s and he would make mother-in-law jokes

constantly and like towards the end of the semester he's like by the way i make a lot of these jokes my mother-in-law is still alive she's 98 years old whoa and we were like we thought you were just you were just making hacky jokes he's like no no no she's still alive and i hate her so uh dr young i think is now dead but he was he was a hoot i enjoyed him you know emo phillips speaking of that emo phillips had a good chunk of ex-wife material which was very old school but i did chuckle at it i i it almost feels like wow ex-wife my ex-wife is the devil jokes in 2022 but i laughed i hit the one about her wanting to remodel the house and him saying like well isn't gingerbread a little on the nose to reflect your personality yeah uh i tried finding uh her online on like wikipedia and uh

i didn't know like it wasn't listed as to who his wife was and see the way i met him was i believe it was his second wife she was basically at the star trek convention she was part of the star trek convention like as i think she had been in a couple random star trek episodes so she was there for signings and stuff and i was in the backstage area with the with those folks because i was also working there and there she is walking around with emo phillips and I told her, like, oh, my God, I love Emo Phillips. And she's like, oh, he loves to meet fans. So she insisted I meet him, and he was quite aloof, but I like to think he liked meeting me.

I loved meeting him. He was very nice. If Emo was personable, I would be, like, taken aback. Like, what, really? I thought you were just an abrasive weirdo. Yes, no, there wasn't a lot of eye contact going on around that meeting. Oh, by the way, update for you YSU heads that astronomy professor, he just passed away in February. Holy cow. At 84, he looked a lot older than he was. Wow. So, yeah, when you're talking about meeting him, he was like only 65 or something.

Something like that, yeah. In a class I took 20 years ago, but I will remember him for being a fun guy. He kept me awake during an 8 a.m class where we sat in a planetarium in the dark that's funny too that his uh mother-in-law lived much longer than he did not outlived him but had a longer life no no yeah uh it's all those jokes they cursed him maybe they're in heaven together looking down at the stars laughing back at all these yeah yeah r.i.p dr young uh moving on to brawl in the family uh fun episode with uh the disgusting ending thanks to chris cab but i think we took years off his life yes yeah yeah i feel bad about that but eve of the stars says as someone who really dislikes the

gene era i'm looking forward to hearing you guys discuss these episodes in particular i saw seasons 13 and 16 quite a bit in syndication way back in the day so i'm looking forward to revisit them and see if i've been too hard on this era but so far no this episode and she of little faith are a very steep decline in humor quality from the end of the scully production run and she of little faith was one i remembered kind of liking when i was younger the scully years may have been a mess but they were at least funny to me mo with two knives is pretty good though and uh eve i will agree with you i'm also looking forward to us covering these because like up until season 12 i think i was watching like the daily reruns but from seasons 13 to 19 when i stopped watching i probably watched each

one of these once yeah yeah they're all like things that happen in them are always like a surprise to me like oh i forgot this was the ending or like oh i forgot the joke went in this direction so yeah i'm looking forward to be just surprised and disappointed and and like delighted sometimes i think we can judge them more fairly but i am feeling a little bit of like the qualities of the scully run are starting to go down a little bit of just like well hey at least there's at least these wacky jokes gave me a chuckle. There's fewer, a couple fewer of those, though. I think, say, in next week's episode, there's still a few goodies, like, say, related to Butterfinger candy bars. That's right. You'll hear a full Butterfinger history.

And Harry Thornton says on that same episode, because I referenced it came out at the same time as this episode we did, correction on the Beauty and the Beast IMAX reissue. Human Again was a story aborted for the 1991 film but they cut it out it was indeed included in the broadway musical version as that kind of adaptation tends to both add cut songs and write new ones but it did not originate from the production annoyingly the remaster they made for the imax reissue did become the standard version released as even the current HD version without Human Again

still has lots of little changes left that were made to fit the song in so it's not 100% authentic to the 91 version which I guess we'll both keep an eye out for those little changes when the What A Cartoon movie comes look forward to it in between 3-4 weeks. It's funny after this one

came out i read this about little mermaid they almost did the imax or 3d re-release of it but previous to that like beauty and the beast and lion king didn't make as much money as they thought so instead all the uprezzing and work they put into it they just put it on the dvd uh yeah was that in the era of 3d tvs yes yes it was yeah yeah but i did not fall for that trap they you know for a time disney thought imax reissues and all that would be their new version of bringing stuff back out of the disney vault but it didn't make them as much money as they they thought it would and now the vaults just open all the time on disney plus they need to

clean up in there yeah or at least uh look look in some walls you can find some things that aren't there like uh let's say the buzz lightyear cartoon yes yeah well see that would take away from the prestige of light years yes it's such a prestigious film uh moving on to toy story 3a or what a cartoon movie episode for the month of may and joe hodgson says i am one of the resident toy boys here so yeah this film does work for me though i'm not the idealized andy because for me as a kid I just bounced from one thing to the next I can remember loving TMNT and it feels like that dominated my life for a while but then I look back and realize it was only about two years

before TMNT was Ghostbusters then after it was Batman 89 Bucky O'Hare X-Men Spider-Man and so on I did keep my original turtles I set them aside in this little vinyl suitcase that my grandma bought me for transporting toys to and from her house and that's where they live the rest got trash bagged sold at yard sales and etc and that's probably where andy's toys are heading because there's no way bonnie is hanging onto those she fell in love with a spork for god's sakes so they're all on borrowed time and for andy i think woody is that toy he probably got before his memory begins which is why he didn't want to say goodbye whereas everything else was just acquired along the way, used, and set aside eventually. It works, though.

Eyeballed, we balled, life goes on. I think it's because I can really feel this one that it's my favorite, followed by 1, then 2, and 4 as a distant last place. 4 is fine and all, I just don't think it was a story that needed telling, and it feels like a lot of Pixar post Toy Story 3, Disposable.

Well, uh, Joe, I like Toy Story 4 more than you, but I think disposable is best applied to movies like Lightyear. Oh, sure, sure. And lots of other Pixar productions, too. We didn't talk about this. I had a viral tweet that people, they were too cowardly to retweet it, but I got almost 10,000 likes,

and it was basically about Disney sweatily retconning a history of the lightyear movie they say no this is the movie andy loved and this is why he bought the toy and here is concept art of him watching the movie and if if like uh my wife pointed this out i thought it was a good idea like when lightyear ends it should pull out from the screen you see andy with the toys and they can each have like little lines or whatever just to connect it but they didn't even go that far man the the retconning is just in concept art and in the marketing and that's what drives me crazy it makes it so cynical and also it doesn't feel like a movie he'd have watched in 1995 either you know yeah yeah no that that just feels so cheap but yes i i like joe's uh hearing from another toy boy in here a lot of his favorites

were my favorites as a child too uh and that yeah i went from ghostbusters to tmnt batman no bucky o'hare uh and then x-men to spider-man but yeah i think uh yeah if you were that attached to toys you probably cry that's the the different levels of emotional investment you have or how much you loved your toys or not back they should make nintendo game story and it's like my copy of uh cristales and dragon warrior 2 are like in a trash bag holding hands you know i should have mentioned it too there's our friend tim kalpak as he is featured heavily in a comedy bang bang television episode that is a parody of all these pixar movies and mike hanford it's so so funny it's about a wallet a phone and a set of keys trying to get

back to their their owner that's good uh john charles holmes also said toy story 3 always kind of felt like a made a milestone for pixar to me since this felt like the final film of their perfect streak before the messy brave and parade of sequels the first major upgrade to this toy story visual consistent with the house style to this day and most importantly I'm squarely in the demographic of the kids who grew up in the real time who grew up in real time alongside Andy. So much so that the movie actually came out the exact same day I graduated from high school. So, after bawling my eyes out at a midnight screening, saying goodbye to these characters for the first time of many, oops, eight hours later, I was giving my class's commencement speech

and saying goodbye to many of my closest friends in my life so far the release of toy story 3 will always stick with me for this unusually personal timing and there's definitely a generation of pixar fans who i think probably share the same sentiment that gives this movie an added boost of support over many others yeah that's a great point uh it was the end of an era like we put it out on the podcast this was the first uh movie basically greenlit when disney took it over so yeah i mean i guess it was the beginning of a new era but it feels like yeah they basically uh i haven't re-watched a lot of those older movies and i haven't seen a few but it did feel like uh it's not when it ends for pixar but it's when they become a different studio yeah once disney fully owns them and lassiter moves up to executive level and isn't working as close

on pixar stuff all the time and yeah a good point about their house style also kind of upgrading from this it's like a new generation of a video game system basically a graphic upgrade and i i kind of have a soft spot for brave i've seen it once and i was like that wasn't so bad i enjoyed it and it was uh based on nothing really it was just an original idea i wish brenda chapman had been uh there the entire time yeah and i'm sure john lester had something to do with that but i feel like it was a compromised movie but i also feel like ratatouille was compromised as well i'm not a huge fan of that movie yeah i like ratatouille a lot more than brave but also i'd say cars came before this and i that broke a perfect streak for me

though other people liked it but cars 3 actually is not a bad movie i i like it but also bob how do you feel you're a big salmon max fan it must be difficult because i felt this way too with brave that i feel bad for brenda chapman losing her spot as the first director but they did hire steve purcell the creator of sam and max to like he did a huge rewrite on it all the all the stuff with the with the triplets i believe that was him or a lot of it was i could i could sense his hand in the movie and he's a genius and again it's a compromised movie but i think they chose the right guy to do it i want to see it again it's been a decade that is also though what you would if you were to imagine the choice that a sexist like john lassiter would have made he's like this chick movie about a mom and her daughter we need more boys literally three more boys right now to give her three little

brothers and they can have funny gross jokes they need to wrestle make them wrestle oh but yeah i also couldn't imagine i i already felt uh emotional guts punched enough by this movie to watch it the same within the same 24 hours as my high school graduation yeah i i don't know if i could ever recover from that emotional that this was like 10 years after i graduated but i was still like making changes in my life and it was more meaningful uh i don't know if i said this on the any podcast of the hundred i recorded recently but light year gave me an idea i think a better movie would be and i was talking this through with my wife nina they should make the woody's roundup movie like the life of that woody puppet in the 50s during the making of that production

and i think that would be a better a more interesting movie than light year yeah i like that too i don't want to i've not even seen Lightyear I'm sorry I've got chip on my shoulder it is the bad sequel we all worried about I just hate seeing that more realistic Lightyear and his stupid potato head because the design of the doll is like a parody of masculinity and then they made it a real thing we're supposed to take seriously yeah yeah yeah no and it's have you seen that the light year walk around it's just like a guy in a i've seen it yeah no make that freak wear like facial prosthetics i know try a little harder i i just assume it's because they already have a buzz light year walk around that actually just looks you know like a big plastic guy so like well if we're gonna have a light year walk around

there they decided to follow the rules of their marvel character walkarounds which are just people in wigs which that works better for movie characters i guess i really want him to have a big captain hook head on or whatever just scare the hell out of kids scare the hell out of them uh moving on to our what a cartoon episode for june uh we did a very fun episode about the roger abbott shorts in the history of canceled sequels check it out so that's about 10 hours of roger abbott content uh this spring just just in time it just turned 34 this week yeah oh there was nothing more to be said until they announced something new uh but tiny crow says i wanted to use this opportunity to give a shout out to the underrated talent you briefly spotlighted mark kousler kousler did so much great work that

doesn't get talked about to the extent of his peers, but he is just as equally wonderful. Kausler did a lot of storyboarding work for the Roger Rabbit movie. He was also one of the animators at Dale Baer's Glendale unit for the 10 minutes of footage they took from Richard Williams. A couple scenes he animated were the Tweety scene, the droopy elevator scene, and the shot of Benny the cab driving the real car. Kausler and Joe Ramft reboarded the daffy donald piano duel from chuck jones's original storyboards so on top of dave spafford you can thank mark kessler for being one of the many artists who plussed up that iconic sequence and also tiny crow wrote about like three more paragraphs about kessler so go to the comments on the patreon for that episode to read the rest of them but yeah great info about

kessler tiny crow i know a ton of people worked on the movie so maybe he didn't get the attention he deserved from us but yeah thanks for spotlighting him yes thank you very much you know it's really it's hard i i wanted to talk about guys like dale bear and and spafford a lot more in those because you know richard williams just sucked up all the oxygen and the pr stuff for it in a way i retroactively don't like as much but i i just love again that like cosler and ramps like they had to fix that thing like chuck jones made it so boring and stayed like hearing hearing spafford talk about how crappy his storyboards were and that he felt bad bad mouthing chuck jones because he loves chuck jones but chuck jones in 1987 is not doing good. No, he's not the Chuck Jones of like 1951.

Yes, yeah. And finally, our last comment also on that Roger Rabbit one from Shy Ranger. Kind of fun fact that came to me while listening. You mentioned the canceled Roger Rabbit short Hair in My Soup about him as a waiter, and the first Yucky Duck short for What a Cartoon, not related, which Bill Kopp worked on and voiced voiced yucky duck is also a waiter could just be a coincidence but also maybe they really like the waiter idea and that's how they knew that hair my soup was bad because they were passionate about the idea who knows i could see it

as um bill cop and uh and the creator of yucky Duck going like, God, this hair in my soup thing's not funny. We can make a way better, our character is forced to be a waiter cartoon. You know, Bill Kopp, we talked a lot about him on those shorts. I forgot that he came back to the Spielberg fold in the late 90s to do Toonsylvania. Yes, yeah.

So he was the creator of that show. So I guess Spielberg was cool with him or they kept their relationship up. Yeah, I think him and Spiels were cool. I don't think Katzenberg because he seemed to bounce off DreamWorks again right after that, I think. But I think him, as I recall, we barely touched on Toonsylvania in our 30 minutes with him. But he definitely seemed to be good memories with him. It was Toonsylvania was famous as like the first DreamWorks animation TV thing.

That's right. I forgot it was DreamWorks. And yeah, Bill Kopp still at it. He really seems to be quite an underrated journeyman of animation. Yeah, yeah.

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