Talking Simpsons - Talk To The Audience?!? - June 2024

Episode Date: July 3, 2024

We've reached the end of the month, which means it's once again time for another installment of our community podcast! Join us as we discuss Bluey taking on The Simpsons, the not-so-mysterious origins of Duff, theme park rumors, and more. And, as always, we read and respond to your questions and comments from the most recent round of episodes. It's all happening on Talk to the Audience?!?, where we are NOT crackpots.

I heartily endorse this event or product. for a return of the Back to the Future ride, Bob Mackey, who is here with me today as always. The creator of Duff McKagan, Henry Gilbert. Yes, and welcome to our community podcast. This podcast posts at the end of the month on the Patreon, at the beginning of the month on the free feed. And in this podcast, we talk about what's happening in the Simpsons world and in our world. And then we respond to your questions and comments from the last round of episodes. And we are recording this one week earlier than normal.

Normally we record this the day it posts or the day before, but we have big plans that we can't tell you about. But your hats will be flying off your heads. Your bow ties will be spinning. I say do not wear hats or bow ties until the news comes out because we don't want anyone to get hurt. It's for your own good, okay? We're doing this for your own good.

And especially be careful you're not under any ventilation shafts as well That might suck your hats in You're never getting those hats back But because we're recording this a week early And because summer has arrived There is very little Simpsons news to be had Just some rumors, just some speculation Of course, last month the the season 35 wrapped up.

And last month, we had a horrifying new short. So no new episodes this month. Thankfully, no new shorts this month. So we're in the clear when it comes to new Simpsons to talk about. But I guess there are new Simpsons references to talk about. Because we just had a recent interview with Al Jean saying, Oh, you know, Simpsons and Bluey, they're the most watched things on Disney+. We'd love to do a crossover.

And Bluey has made the first move because on the official Bluey TikTok account, they posted basically a Bluey version of the Simpsons opening made either with stop motion or CGI that looks like stop motion. And they did their own version of the Simpsons theme which makes me think they probably got permission to do this so something might be in

the works yeah it in putting it on the uh their their TikTok account as well and then it's spreading across social media tells me like they this is an official rollout mean, I think if I'm Al Jean, I would note how some of the biggest reaction was just having like a few frames of Bluey in that short. And I think he's finally realizing like, wait, Bluey's the new hot thing. We got to jump on Bluey and get some more relevance from them. And I am certain that, I said it last month, if you are an Australian animator, you must love The Simpsons.

If you're under the age of 50, you must love The Simpsons. I'm seeing a Springfield Files-style crossover where Bluey and the gang, Bluey Jr., Mrs. Bluey, they all hang out with Homer and Marge and antics ensue, I'm guessing. And probably they'd have some light jokes about Australia. Oh, man, they got a reference part versus Australia when they hang out with each other then. Oh, I'm sure they will. In keeping with the show's recent tradition of calling back to the classic era, I imagine there'll be Tobias will make an appearance or they'll be paying with things in dollary dues. I'm calling it right here, folks. Though I guess that the flag of the boot kicking the

bear ass that is certainly too dirty for the world of bluey yes even though it gets rather ribald it's still a show for very little children so uh yeah if you want to watch this it's on their tiktok it's very cute i'll say it's very cute and they're having fun and i imagine by mid season 36 we're going to see some bluey couch gag or something like that but moving on in the rumors and speculation department we've been talking about the fate of springfield in the universal studios park for a very long time and there are more rumors are rumbling because the contract expires in 2028 because it was a 20-year contract 2028 once seemed like a very far time away but now it's four years from now.

And there is some speculation that's the Simpsons world within Universal Studios. I think it's just called Springfield USA. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Or maybe you can join them as like it's Krusty Land plus Springfield USA. And it's like really two zones. In any case, people are saying that this is going to be going bye-bye when the contract expires and it will be replaced by 2030 with uh seemingly a pokemon

style park nothing has been confirmed either these are all rumors and speculation but it does seem like uh there's not a lot of value in disney keeping this license going and honestly i like i like that part of universal but it's getting to the point where you can tell it's getting older things don't look as good as they used to the ride is built on the architecture of a ride that was opened in 1991 so there's a bit of a dated feeling to it that i feel like it's going to cost too much to refresh the entire Springfield. So it might be best to just get rid of it and bring in Pokemon. And which, by the way, Pokemon, much bigger than the Simpsons, much wider audience than the Simpsons, even though it's 10 years younger than the Simpsons.

And it's one, unlike the Simpsons, that they can copy at different parks around the world. That is a downside of Simpsons that when they put all this work into building and planning out Simpsons at Universal, they can build the Springfield stuff fairly similar in Orlando and Hollywood, but Osaka and Shanghai, for those Universal parks, Simpsons is not big enough there to warrant taking up all of that space. It would not be very popular. So they wouldn't do it. So that means you get Pokemon. That is a global brand that you can open in any park in the world that Simpsons is not. But the rumor I saw recently, which again, this is all like a theme park blogger told a friend, Purple Monkey Dishwasher. But some had before been thinking that it might be as early as like next year they

shut it down and get an early start on Pokemon. But this newest rumor was like, they're going to run it out until the expiration in 2028. So you might have more more time if you've never been to either of the springfields in the in the u.s at hollywood orlando you know you might have a little extra time but don't wait too long uh for for the closure date whenever that'll get announced yeah i mean i just feel like we were lucky in the first place to get a simpsons theme park for 20 years so I can't be too sad that it's going away but it did hit at you know peak Simpsons relevancy in terms of just how many Simpsons things there were the movie the game the show existing for 15 years and now that's so far in the rearview mirror uh it feels kind of a little strange when we covered it on podcast the ride

you made this excellent point I still remember of just that it it is dated now simpsons doesn't look like the ride simpsons looks yeah it's dated because in the line of who talks to you that instantly makes it dated yes and uh certain characters have their old voices and when you hear that you're like oh this is old immediately and then you know certain characters sound a lot younger than they used to as well. So it does feel like it's from a different time. But I don't know. It's part of getting old. But 2008 still feels like, oh, that was yesterday, right?

No, it was 16 years ago, old man. And it's time to bulldoze this so Pikachu can move in. But will they get a big presence in Disney to make up for this? Again, going back to the shorts, that feels like Al Jean is playing ball for that very reason, to be friendly with Disney when it's time to start planning Disney parks. He might already be in a bunch of meetings that they're like, okay, here's the plan for seven years from now when we build Springfield in California Adventure or whatever. Hey, frankly, I feel that entire Star Wars land was a mistake, so let's just get rid of that.

That four, in seven or eight years, there'll be a four-hour video on why the Simpsons land fucked up. It's, I mean, it's okay if you like that Star Wars land, and I kind of find it interesting, but it's all built around the three newer movies, which nobody really cares about. I think we overestimated how much people would care about those. It was a huge mistake to open it the same year as Rise of Skywalker, and they're like, yeah, everybody's going to love seeing Rey all of the time here. It's like, no, no. It just brings them down to see ray and finn and poe dameron it reminds them of the the failure of that at the very least the last movie yeah it's

kind of like opening a star wars park the day before the phantom menace hits theaters yeah and it's walk around jar jars we invested so much in uh our jar jar binks walk around and now we find out everybody hates him so yeah those are some theme park rumors around and now we find out everybody hates him so yeah those are some theme park rumors and now we have to move on to talk about spurious potential lawsuits because Guns N' Roses band member Duff McKagan he's been saying

this in the past he's saying it again he's claiming that Duff Beer is named after him and if you read the story about this he claims that the show contacted him in 1988 to get permission to use his name duff and of course you don't have to do much thinking to realize this is all bullshit and jay cogan is on the record saying no this never happened i think matt graining even said no we never contacted him him. The simple pun or the simple joke is that Duff just means your butt.

And Jake Hogan says, quote, Duff is a beer for people who sit on their fat ass all day. So that's as elaborate as it gets. This is not referencing the lesser known band member of Guns N' Roses. The only reason I know about Duff McKagan is because the video game Mega Man X5 for whatever reason in the localization it renamed all the robot masters after rock and roll people and the whale robot was

named Duff McWhalen and that's the only thing I know about this guy. So he should be filing a lawsuit against Capcom USA. Exactly, yes. He should be pointing into that. I mean, rockers are you know they they self-mythologize so much that it's i guess we shouldn't be surprised he is still saying this after like more than a decade ago this was said publicly and i'm sure he's been saying it since

1990 like oh they named it after me which it's like we know the production on The Simpsons. They would have named Duff like Jake Hogan would have named it in that writer's room in 1989, which Guns N' Roses was a known thing then. But, you know, the The Simpsons writers in 1989 were not the coolest guys who were like, oh, yeah, let's name it after this GNR member, the third most famous GNR member. Yeah, it's just that, I mean, he's also 60, and it's weird that he still wants to be known for his love of drinking beer. Yeah, that too. It's sad in that way, but it has been nice to see on Twitter even seeing, you know, like Jake Hogan say again, yes, I've said this a million times. And now Jean say, I was in the room when he said it.

I know why he brought it up. And Mike Reese agree. Like at least they, it's, it's more of old man. It's a bunch of old men telling stories really. But, uh, that this, this silly old rocker thinking it's because Simpsons are like you, we know you duff love drinking beer. And so we're going to make a thing named after you. I guess he was a legendary beer drinker. I only know about him through Mega Man games. And what little I know about Guns N' Roses.

But yeah, I like that Jake Hogan brought this up. I like that he had to address it. Because I think we forget that Duff is a pun. The word Duff for your butt is so antiquated that I think we tend to forget everyone is drinking ass beer. You're right. It's a dirtier or sadder joke than it's meant to be. Can't get enough of that wonderful duff. in Mike Reese's book he brought up a similar one where he says since the beginning the joke in the opening is that it's like the simps sons and it's supposed to be like for a second you're supposed

to think the name of the show is the simps like these is simpletons and then it's like sons it comes in that's why the clouds reveal in that way but it it's never feels like it has never felt like that joke to me but that was her intention yeah and i think even simpson simpletons i think that's lost too where we just take it as this institution we never questioned the name but that was the intent from the very beginning yeah i think uh uh you know again the duff should say duff mckagan should be saying oh you know i had personalized stationery all the time, and they stole that in the first season of The Simpsons. Just get all the season one jokes and say that was you.

Yeah, I invented Mr. Dandy. He's based on me. I was always having dandy candy, and my friend Howard had flowers. Yep, I would find different avenues, Mr. McKagan. Moving on, this news story is about us having no news But San Diego Comic-Con is happening this month There is going to be a Simpsons panel, obviously And likely teasing the next Treehouse of Horror and other things

I believe this is going to be more exciting than last year's Because the strike was happening So we couldn't really celebrate television in the same way with so many people's jobs and livelihoods in jeopardy that's right yeah the writers like didn't show up but couldn't show up to it and promote it and same with the actors so this year you know i would think they'll it'll be their usual crew a cell man gene stephanie gillis carolyn omine probably hosted by Yardley Smith and it'll just be a fun time going through

what's going to happen no, Matt Groening will definitely be there he loves Comic Con if he's not at Comic Con I would be worried so I would expect that and a tease of whatever the Treehouse is going to be they love to reveal the Treehouse that year and I wonder will the first

episode of the season be the Treehouse or will they actually get out the season premiere before Treehouse this year? What's it going to be? And will Treehouse air before Halloween? We're always asking that. Or will it be after the election? I feel like they got to get it out before election day, right have to have a feeling there's going to be an election based short in there there kind of has to be with this election al jean won't let him do it any other way and i bet there'll be new merchandise revealed and stuff too there yes yeah yeah so look forward to that we'll be reporting on that next month at the end of next month and if you're going to be at the san diego comic-con uh check out the

mission hill 25th anniversary show with bill and josh they're doing that on july 25th that is a separate admission price but uh from what i hear from what henry's told me these mission hill live shows are a lot of fun they always have uh cells that you can win things you can buy merch and you get to watch uh original mission hill with the intact music 4K upscaled with the whole audience and I hear it's great. And I think I've been seeing Bill and Josh tease that for the San Diego show because you know they have they have their SoCal buddies

that there might be some surprise guests at this one as well so I feel like it might be an even even better Mission Hill 25th anniversary thing. I'm going to call it I'm going to say Brian Posehn makes an appearance. There's no way Brian Posehn isn't in San Diego that week, too. Same with Scott Menville.

He's got to be there for Teen Titans promotion. Brian Posehn will just be in the audience no matter what, so they can pull him up on stage. Well, he tours a lot, so maybe he'll be out of town. But I would think he's going to be at Comic-Con for sure. So, yeah, that is it when it comes to Simpsons news. Slim Pickens this month. Let's talk about our news.

So first, I wouldn't call this bad news. I would call it different news because we are taking the first week of July off to have a little summer break. We're trying to normalize taking two breaks off a year, one at the beginning of the year, one in the middle of the year, just basically giving ourselves two vacation weeks. But we have things in the works, so the content feeds will never run dry. So I'll explain what's going on during that first week of July.

So for patrons, there will be no new podcast for the first week of July, which means no new episode of What a Cartoon that month. But to tide you over, I'm putting a little bonus thing in the Patreon feed that we've been holding on to for an entire year so there will be something in there for you to enjoy

during the first week of July never fear yes yeah look forward to that and plus you know you'll still have a six hour episode of Mulan a movie that's a week old that maybe you haven't even finished it yet. Give that a little time. The Mulan episode is very long.

And so for non-patrons, because we're one week ahead on the Patreon, this will be happening during week two of July for you. And during this week, we're going to be putting some stuff in the free feed to keep you busy. There will be an episode of both Talking Futama and blab about batman the animated series in the free feed the second week of july instead of our normal podcast and that will let you get a sample of what's going on on the patreon at patreon.com talking simpsons and maybe it will encourage you to sign up for five bucks to hear other episodes just like that so again first week on the patreon there's going to be no regular podcast but one bonus thing second week on the Patreon, there's going to be no regular podcast, but one bonus thing. Second week for the free feed, no regular podcast, but some bonus stuff in there for you. And that'll give us a nice little summer break because we're, you know, taking a tiny bit of time off.

We're also accounting for some travel we're doing for, again, big things we can't talk about right now. It's all for the good of the show, and you're going to be still happy that first week of July. Yeah. And then at the week you're hearing this at the end of June or early July, keep watching the skis. And by skis, I mean social media because you might see some teases for what's going on. We're both very excited and nervous. So thank you for your patience. And thank you for allowing us to take a little bit of time off. Even though with the way things work, we will be working that first and second week of july we're just uh taking a week off to catch up a little more with the days we'll be losing in june that we can't record

yes yeah yeah and i hope you guys enjoy uh hearing the batman and the futurama podcast and know that there is now bob just did a new count 180 more than 180 of those similar podcasts at your fingertips if you sign up at the ad free $5 level very soon we can go out and say 200 I'm going to enjoy when that happens

so thank you for your patience once again we appreciate your patience and your money and your loyalty so moving on for $5 and up patrons at patreon.com your patience once again we appreciate your patience and your money and your loyalty uh so moving on for five dollar and up patrons at patreon.com slash talking simpsons there's going to be an episode of talking futurama all about the second comedy central episode in agada dalila a very horny episode in which lila and zap brannigan are stranded on a planet and they basically become adam and eve figures although it's all a very large and elaborate lie concocted by zap in an episode they couldn't make today but

we still had fun with it yeah it's a good it's a good time with a couple also mysteries in it but yeah and and a fun and a fun guest star i forgot about i i only remembered the uh the nudeness on the planet i'd forgotten all the other fun stuff. We recorded the episode weeks ago, and I forgot the guest star until you brought it up to me. Yes, a fun guest star that's really unexpected. And then Talking of the Hill, we're going to be covering Revenge of the Ludafisk. It's an episode about a church burning to the ground and stinky poop. And Mary Tyler Moore is the guest star.

Very, very funny. A very funny Bobby slash Cotton episode that we had a lot of fun with. Yeah. When I was putting together the schedule, it's when it hit me that both of the July $5 podcasts are very biblical. One's Adam and Eve and one is about a church burning. Yes. So bone up on your bible for this month's patreon podcast and then on the ten dollar feed i have one question for all of you have you ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon well i have because i'm doing a lot of research on pocahontas which is the movie for july on the what a cartoon movie tier ten dollars at patreon.com talking simpsons we are

continuing the summer of disney renaissance by uh plowing backwards and visiting pocahontas and then we're going to jump forwards in august to talk about tarzan but yes i am reading a lot about the the actual history of pocahontas and having a lot of fun learning about the movie and how it was the most prestige of prestige disney projects or that at least that's how it was perceived internally. Well, you know, I'm happy after Pocahontas. The month after that is Tarzan, a film with no strange racial subtext that you could read into it or anything.

It's just a normal, normal movie. It's all smooth sailing. But Pocahontas, there are things to like about it, despite its problematic qualities, and we're going to talk a lot about that. another six hour what a cartoon movie podcast because they're all turning into that but yes you can get the entire thing at the ten dollar tier at patreon.com talking simpsons if you're on the five dollar tier or the free feed you'll get a little sample of the history segment uh and again the ten dollar tier has nearly i think uh five and a half plus years of What a Cartoon movie episodes.

And they're all very, very long. And now it's time to talk about what we've been playing and watching that's unrelated to our programs. And I will tell everyone out there, I am among the few who have finished Final Fantasy VII Rebirth at 104 hours. And I think I've been talking about it every month since March because I began it on March 10th and I think I finished it on June 10th or June 13th so it was three months of playing the same game I really enjoyed it I will say the last 15 hours made me not enjoy it uh it made me regret the time I spent with it uh the game does not have a very satisfying landing and uh I just had to remind myself look back at all the fun you had don't

don't just single out this final dungeon this irritating last boss and only think about that don't dwell on that because the rest of the game is good i just has a it has a problem knowing when to finish and i assumed i had fought the last boss and then there were eight more so that explains a lot as to what's happening in final fantasy 7 rebirth yeah i i won't get spoilery here but yeah it's like it's just like in the first game where they had this totally good you know just ff adventure and then it is such even more than uh in remake it is such a kingdom hearts ending like it is all it's a Kingdom Hearts super duper boss fight that's like long cutscenes

giant boss fight long cutscenes and then should you die you're gonna have to watch those cutscenes again and you can't skip them yeah I'm not gonna give anything away the final boss it's very irritating and other people have this problem too I was tweeting about it online it's it's a final boss it's already very hard and other people have this problem too I was tweeting about it online

it's a final boss that's already very hard and once you get him down to barely any health he doesn't attack and you basically have a 15 second window to whittle down his health before he launches an unblockable attack that kills you in one hit and it took me four tries to get back up to that point again

and figure out what to do because a lot of it is random it's like oh did you save up these attacks or what's your hip what's your hip points at now do you have enough to withstand these these other things that are happening it's a lot of it is left up to chance and a lot of it is having to repeat the battle to get the circumstances in the right condition to withstand that final 10 seconds so don't like how it ended i don't know what this third game is going to be but i'm interested in finding out hey you'll know that in the next game if it's just like the first two then you will have 90 hours of a really great game and then a 10 hour to 20 hour kingdom hearts finale for no reason everyone goes back to level one again they lose all their materia they forget

all their skills. I'm also playing Pikmin 4. I started that. It came out in the midst of moving chaos when I was moving internationally. So I just sort of put it on the back burner. I was waiting for when the time is right and I'm really, really enjoying it. I'm at the point of the game

where basically everything has opened up and I understand what the entire game will be like, what all the different modes are. And it is a lot of the core Pikmin stuff I like but also a lot of extra modes that I find really build off of the fundamentals of Pikmin and don't feel too foreign like the night mode is basically a tower defense but it works as Pikmin should work and I really enjoy the single player versus CPU battles where it brings back a lot of the tension of the first Pikmin game in splitting up your duties and trying to do things within a certain time limit which the game dropped completely after the first one I like

the introduction of that in little bursts it keeps me on my toes it gets you ready to be a manager of a Japanese office space too i i was following the dandori lifestyle before pikmin 4 but now i'm even more devoted i i also think that when they added it feels like it is the first true pikmin game and all previous pikmin games were practiced for pikmin 4 i i think too that the the addition of your dog sidekick really ups the game because you have like you now have an AI pal who will just do the little side things for you that really also helps a lot with the multitasking but it's not as good as if you did it yourself but you can tell this dog well could you just move this thing for me I'll go over here with 30 guys yeah it's more

satisfying than in Pikmin 3 when you had three different characters you're swapping between uh i like having one beast and just me and it's it's a lot more satisfying that way and in terms of watching stuff those are the only games i've been playing in terms of watching stuff uh i am now one of the biggest upload super fans because i have just finished season two and it remains pretty good i will say it's not great I am enjoying it there are a lot of Greg Daniels Greg Daniels II things I like and here's the thing I knew his son wrote for the show it's one of the things I was reading about it when we were covering it like three or four times on talking in the hill just bringing it up

like oh yeah Owen Daniels writes for the show and there's this one comedic actor in the show he's this redhead and he uh his role is to be constantly humiliated and for everyone to find him disgusting and i was thinking well why isn't henry zabrowski playing this role it feels like it was made for him uh and the reason is it's played by owen daniels greg daniel's son is an actor in the show and i like the fact that yes son you will get a role in my show i know that's unfair to other actors but you will be the disgusting pig boy everyone hates that's fair or that's that's closer to fair i think that's him recognizing he knows the nepo baby stuff that's going around and and rightly

that has been thrown at people so yeah i guess giving him all of the gross dude joke characters. Is he like Kevin from The Office then kind of guy? I guess kind of. He's kind of one of those style characters. Just one you're supposed to find repulsive and one who everyone is irritated by. Okay, well, that sounds like a better use of his scion than the dating reality show that he did with his daughter. Right, right. sounds like a better use of his scion than the um dating reality show that he did with his daughter right right uh i'm more of a fun more of a fan of the sun project than the the daughter project so again i will give my like a half-hearted thumbs up to upload i'm ready to jump into season three which i'm guessing is the last season of the show but it's just interesting to see like these under

the radar shows that he's making that are the semi-worthwhile and i've also been watching a very under-promoted original anime that's on disney plus which is sandland uh it shockingly went under-promoted even though the creator died in the spring akira toriyama i figured that'd be a great time to say hey look it's the last anime he worked on you should watch it but disney plus is not interested in advertising any of the anime they have uh it's i will say it's very good i never read the original manga which is only one volume and it's a 13 episode series the first six cover that one volume of manga but then the last seven are a new story that takes place afterwards i'm really liking it it is like akira toriyama's uh mad max in a way it's like cutesy mad Max where they're in a desert world, water's a very important resource, and they're fighting for it. And it is one of those anime

series that I've seen lately that are almost purely CGI, and they still use some 2D elements from time to time, but the CGI is so good that within seconds you forget that it is not traditionally hand animated. And I don't know why western studios aren't doing the same thing for non-feature presentations japan really has this on lock and i'm very impressed by what they've been doing lately i wonder if it's the same group at funimation doing it that uh that did the dragon ball super superhero movie that i thought did cgi uh the Toriyama style so very well. But I mean, it's interesting that Sandland's getting, yeah, it got its own show and also a video game.

And I remember when Sandland was new as a comic because it was almost a simultaneously release or close to it in the 90s when it it came out in the u.s and it was sort of like you know oh the dragon ball guy did a new thing but then it kind of like came and went really quick i think i read the first chapter but didn't didn't keep up with it back in the day and it never never caught up with it yeah we're in the middle of a sandland renaissance uh and there's a new game that's out uh the anime just came out and i guess there was a movie uh last year so i guess there's there's not a whole lot of toriyama stuff after dragonball there's this in uh i think it's called kawa oh okay i hadn't i'd never even heard of that one yeah but when when sandland came out and i saw it in borders or whatever I was kind of burned out on Dragon Ball and the whole um Akira Toriyama look but now I treasure it because there's

only so much of it and we were all kind of we were getting a little snobbish about him at a certain time in history we didn't realize how good we had it it was we we took we took him for granted I was feeling that uh the day we're recording this was the Nintendo Direct, and there was the Dragon Quest 3 HD 2D, or I forget the crazy name for it, but the remake of Dragon Quest 3. And when Yuji Horii was promoting it, it was the first time he's had to promote a Dragon Quest game after Toriyama passed away.

And it was another reminder of the hole he's left. Yep. But hey, if you've never read Sandland, I imagine most people didn't. It's a very nice adaptation and I'm looking forward to watching more of the new story. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You're looking up. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You see, our new Net Zero Hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels, and much more.

Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, your home cozier, and your world brighter. Find our Net Zero Hub at electricarland.ie as far as as movies go uh i did see furiosa though there will be a retronauts about mad max uh very soon after this or perhaps right before this where we give a lot of furiosa opinions it's one of those things i forget if we talked about it henry i know you saw it in the last month's talk to the audience but it's one of those things where you can't compare it to fury road but the movie dares you to compare it to fury road at every turn especially when they show you clips at the very end of fury road and it is uh george miller's mistake to have made the best action movie uh ever created by humankind and then make another one after it because nothing can compare to fury road and then you make something that's directly connected to it so you just can't stop thinking of Fury Road and I made the mistake of watching Fury Road

again the day before I saw Furiosa that probably would have made me dislike Furiosa more if I'd seen Fury Road in fresh memory instead of like remembering it is just you know the the one of my best times watching any movie in a theater. And yeah, but Furiosa is totally good. It's a good movie. I'm stealing this from the Blank Check guys, but they said if a person, this was their first movie instead of George Miller's most recent of the many he's made,

if this was somebody's debut film, you'd think, I can't wait to see what this person's going to do the rest of their career this is amazing but when it's george miller you're like it's it's good it's you know it's all right i would say it's great yeah it's just it's just not fury road and you can only think of fury road when you're watching it because it's a prequel i i agree and and also that chris hemsworth looks like the love guru to me it's it's distracting i think only you have said that no i've i looks like the love guru to me. It's distracting. I think only you have said that.

No, I've seen other people agree with me. I think it's his nose, the crazy fake nose he has. I try to never think of the love guru, but you can listen to more thoughts about Mad Max and Furiosa on that Retronauts. Also on a big George Miller kick, I watched the two Babe movies. I had a great time. Babe won a lot of heart a great performance a voice acting performance by christine kavanaugh as babe in that first movie just a very sweet and at times very dark movie about a pig learning how to become a sheep herder uh so i do recommend the first bay but i never watched babe pig in the city uh it was Siskel's number one movie the year before he died. Siskel and Ebert both loved this movie, but when it came out in theaters, I was 16 and I thought, I cannot go see the Babe sequel. And then when it came out on video when I was 17, I thought, I'm too ashamed

to bring the Babe sequel up to the counter to rent it. But now that I can just download it in the safety of my home, free of judgment, Babe 2 is a surreal freak show that many people say is better than the first movie. I don't think so because it doesn't have as much heart, but it is just George Miller getting, to use the phrase again, a blank check after the incredible success and incredible amount of Oscar nominations that the first Babe got. And yeah, George Miller before Fury Road was the Babe and Happy Feet guy before returning to his roots. It's funny, he got to do, you know, decades of kids' movies before, well, what people would call kids' movies

at the very least, and then comes back to own the action cinema again with Fury Road. But no, I remember watching Babe like in class or something like or maybe my younger brother rented it but I never saw uh Pig in the City yeah not as many puppets in Pig in the City which makes me think George Miller was just giving himself more work to do he didn't direct the first film he produced it he had a big hand in it he did direct the

second film which is almost all animal actors in every scene. And he was like in his mid-50s directing this. It just sounds like a nightmare. I don't know why he would want to do this, but it was an incredible challenge. He pulled it off, and it's just a fascinating film that bombed miserably. I think we all turned our backs on Babe. We had no interest in seeing what the city held for him. And I also saw this could be a Henry favorite as well.

I'm not sure. Have you ever seen Noises Off, Henry? No. I've always wanted to see like a live. I've had thoughts of seeing a live production of it, but I've never made it a project to do. And I've never seen the, I think I've seen some clips from the film, some filmed versions of the play maybe, but no, no, no. It's fascinating. And I have to imagine that when you see the live version version it's a real stunt show just of actorly talents because the premise of this is in noises off it's

a farce about farces where in the first part of the play you watch the rehearsal of a farce and you see how all the actors relate to each other who likes who who hates who potential problems on the horizon the second time you see the play it is the backstage as it's being performed for an audience and you're seeing well here's what's happening backstage and then you see it perform one more time to end the play it's you're seeing it from the front of the stage again but it's basically everything paying off that was set up in the first two acts you know the relationships you know what can happen backstage and the third act is everything going wrong but when you the movie version is great it's by peter bogdanovich but i can understand why the live version would be

so compelling because you were watching actors who have to remember three versions of performing the same play and then all of the mistakes they're supposed to make, it seems like an incredible exercise in acting. Wow, yeah, yeah. No, that sounds like it'd be incredible to see live for sure, but I didn't know Bogdanovich did the film version of it, so that's interesting too. That's funny, you watched Targets this month as well, but for research purposes or last month,

and then now you watch a totally different Bogdanovich film in Noises Off. Yeah, it was also a huge bomb. I would love to see a live performance and I'm keeping my eyes out for any live performances of this nearby, but interesting premise, I will say. High concept. And, you

know, 20 years ago I failed as a white weeb by not watching Kill Bill 1 and 2. But I just saw them back to back in theaters at the lovely Rio Theater in Vancouver. I did really enjoy it. I am going to have the basic B opinion that the second movie isn't that great because it's it's answering a bunch of questions I didn't I didn't really ask. It's just like, well, what was her wedding rehearsal like? It's like, I like when you implied things. Why do I have to see the entire thing now? And then there a lot with uh what's what's bill's brother's life like let's

look at that and i thought well this is a fun crime story and uh i i just feel like like a lot of people like most people the first movie has all the best action that's where you want to go but it's also now coming to it all of these years later it was like quentin tarantino in 2003 was bringing us all of these spices that we couldn't access like oh look at this cumin i'm going to give you a little sample of cumin but now we can just go on to the criterion channel and watch lady snowblood and all these things but i can understand how uh mind-blowing this must have been for him to you know bring over recreations of all the things he loved to america in this format yeah no i i think you're you definitely have the opposite thing that i had of watching the you know seeing this movie many years before i finally uh checked out a lot

of the source material and you know i part of the experience for me why i, I do like one more than two as well. But, uh, the, the weight in between the cliffhanger, it made two very exciting. You've been waiting for like, oh, is her, you know, with the tease at the end of part one, if you're waiting months for, for that, not a whole year, but months for that, it, it gets more exciting. And, you know, also I did, maybe it's because they write, he writes Bill as a comic book nerd and he gives him his big monologue is about comic nerd stuff. Maybe that's another reason

I really love the Bill performance in it. But yeah, I like both quite a lot. I just found it odd how the bride, her name is very irritating. What is the name of Uma uh uma thurman's character beatrix kiddo beatrix i hate that for some reason but uh she has two returned from death moments and i thought oh this should have just been one it should have been the buried alive thing which is the way more compelling uh return from death moment than waking up in a hospital i i heard

about the the great scene where she is buried alive and she makes it out. And I thought, oh, this is how she is disposed of and she's going to emerge from the grave and then get revenge. But no, that's the second time she's left for dead in the movie. I feel like there are too many beats that are repeated in the one and two.

Well, I like the reveal of her name as Beatrix Kiddo because characters had been, in the first movie, they say her name and they bleep it out. But like the you learn later the line that Lucy Lou's character said, or any she says is sorry, be tricks are for kids. And it's it's a it's a full play on her name. And same with she gets called Kiddo by Bill. And that's a reference to her other name. But I mean, it's also like it's a joke name

like everybody's name in the movie is like this is from my brother bud the only man i ever loved like that's why his name is bud like also he's a drunk yeah all the names are stupid for whatever reason that one just bothered me because i just kept thinking of oh it's a tricks serial joke and this is this person's name so yeah i don't need to tell you this because you're a nerd listening to a podcast but enjoyable films also for the first time for pride month i saw the birdcage for the first time uh i my parents loved it i just never got around to watching it until now and once again i have the same opinion as everyone else that uh irritating son should be executed in the film and the movie should be about these two wonderful men having fun

together with their silly little house boy they they live very fun happy lives that their awful son ruins and and two like the older you get you totally side with robin williams but he's like you two aren't even 20 yet you should not be getting married this is stupid yeah the premise of the movie is dad stop being gay for a day so i can marry my teenage bride gosh her father wants to murder abortionists yes it's uh i i really liked it though even though in order to get mainstream audiences into this world of queer culture they're like all right here are the two normal straights they're irritated by all this gay stuff too and they want to shut it down just like you and then that that is the mainstream's window into like oh these people aren't so bad and it did make me think of how this is a very important movie this is pre uh will and grace

this is just hey gay people have relationships they uh they can be annoying they can be funny they're just like you and me uh which is something it sounds very basic now. But people in 1996 really needed to hear that. And it could make him forever be like, oh, this guy's gay, like this gay actor like Nathan Lane. That movie comes out and he still has to be he is choosing to be in the closet for career safety. Like he even though there's have you seen that clip of Robin Williams and Nathan Lane on Oprah and Oprah is asking Nathan Lane like, so are you gay? And then Robin Williams steamrolls it because he's like, fuck you for saying that. I think I have seen that in the past, but I forgot how long it took for Nathan Lane to come out. Whatever. It's his life. But I mean, we all knew it's the brain candy joke. Dogs know it. And I do love Christine Baranski in that movie, too. She's so perfect. It's like

they don't fully make her like evil, but I love that they write her as like, yeah, she is a woman who never wanted to be a mom who ended up pregnant is like yeah you guys can raise them i you know i don't hate this kid but i'm a bit i don't want to be a mom and that's totally cool i'm a big baranski booster i also saw i saw the tv glow uh and i thought it was very interesting i need to give it another watch because some things didn't really connect with me that I feel like I'll be able to dig into more with another watch. But a lot of the movie, this is pertaining to our listeners, is about nostalgia for television. It's about being lonely in the 90s and finding meaning in television shows and in watching those weird cult shows with other people and recording things on tapes and reading episode guides and things like that. The movie is also a very dense trans allegory,

an allegory about transitioning and what happens when you don't follow your truth and what happens when you stay the person you don't want to be, et cetera, et cetera. I'm not doing that allegory justice with my explanation. I don't want to give anything away, but the director is trans. It's something, if I had known that ahead of time, I would have identified

the allegory immediately, but Nina had to tell me, like, did you understand the trans allegory? And I was like, oh, yes. But then, in retrospect, I'm like, oh, I was stupid. But as a TV podcaster, I was only digging into the 90s lonely teen aspect and how like so much of that i saw in my own life of just being weird and being

way into tv shows in a way that nobody else was i have been meaning to watch it myself especially i every review i see from folks is is a big thumbs up and uh it just hit digital uh it just hit the digital storefront so i think i'm finally gonna watch i got a couple flights coming up that i'll have time to watch it on so i'm thinking of that i somehow missed him because he has a cameo in the movie but uh talking simpsons guest mike marona is in the movie as is his pdp co-star dann Tamberelli. Apparently Nina saw them. I missed them too.

I must have been looking down to my popcorn or something. But when we had him on the show, I was looking, what has he done recently? Oh, I saw the TV Glow thing. I wonder what that is. And now I know what it is. So it has the Pete and Pete approval. Man, okay. This lets me know to keep an eye out for it when I finally watch it.

And I did want to mention a few things I've been reading comic book wise. I finally cracked into the manga Vinland Saga, which my library has all of in these gigantic anthology volumes. So I've been reading those. It's a story about Vikings. And it reminds me, it makes me think that it's a, my comparison would be it's a less violent Berserk because it's about a much more brutal time that starts with our character in the present and then we spend a very, very long time in a flashback

to see how he got to where he is. And if certain aspects of Berserk turn you off, like the extreme gore and all of the sexual violence in that book i know it's not for everybody i will say vinland saga it's not like g-rated or clean people are still being bisected by swords there's just a lot less of that it feels a lot less fetishy than it can get in berserk at times and i've been really enjoying it and there is a two-season anime series the manga is very long and i'm wondering what the anime series could cover, but I'm hearing very good things about that series. So maybe once I read enough of it,

I'll jump into the anime to see what I can watch until I could get potentially spoiled. I've never given Vinland Saga a look before. I'll put that on the list. You've got to read all those Berserk books, young man. I do. I know they're in your room right now. I'm looking at them guiltily to my right over here, yes.

Now, when you read those giant books, make sure they're crushing your penis the entire time because there's no other way to read a book that large. I need to get one of those library podiums for giant books like that in just the center of this room. You need to sneak into a church and steal the lectern or something. Also, now Henry will be interested in hearing this because of x-men 97 i was like i

should read some x-men comics so uh digitally my library has a ton of anthologies so i got the first real x-men anthology which covers the reboot of x-men that started in giant size x-men number one i am enjoying it with some caveats i know it's an older comic book style. I know it's a style I'm not used to. And in the intro, Chris Claremont writes, you know, these early issues are kind of overwritten. And brother, he ain't kidding because that narrator can't get his nose out of this story. I know that is the format of Western comics. And I sound very naive by saying there's a lot of narration in these. at least where i am now the comics seem so insecure about being comics that they're kind of reading like picture books where there is a panel

where wolverine is like tearing through robots and then the narration is like snick snicks wolverine's claws tear through the robots they didn't see it coming it's just like well yeah the drawing is telling me that thank you though well no that's that's all very true. And Chris Claremont is one of the guiltiest overwriters in American comics of his time. He also is a big part. If any one person I think gets credit for why everybody loves the X-Men, I think it would beris claremont if you have to give it to just one guy and yeah his his overriding i mean the joke is that somebody is in the middle of kicking in the action and then they like say like 500 words while they're like kicking a person in the face i think it could be why americans responded so well to manga and why manga is outselling american comics by magnitudes every month it's because when i read vinland saga again it came like 40 years later it's kind of an unfair comparison but there'll just be a 20 page battle all drawings no dialogue maybe like a few little utterances but

that's it and it's just it reads so smooth it reads so clean it feels like you get one action pose and then eight text blocks around it in these early X-Men comics. I just find it very exhausting at times, but very, very cute. And I know I read comics in the 90s. They weren't all like this, but I feel like they're starting off here. And I hope the narration drops off a little. Even Chris Claremont admits these are overwritten. written i think too especially back then it was the editorial edict of if a kid takes less than 20 minutes to read a comic they bought then they will feel ripped off and not buy the next one even

if they read it fast and they like the the art uh if it takes them longer to read it then they feel they got more worth out of it so that's why you overload it with text yeah i guess when you're reading uh manga if you're in the original audience you're reading it in a giant anthology and once you it takes you five minutes to read one 20 page battle you just move on to the next story of the next manga series yeah yeah it's it's all part of a giant phone book of stuff you purchased instead of a 22 page floppy that that you paid, you know, well, I guess in the 80s you would have paid 25 cents for it. But by 92, when I started buying comics, you're paying $1.25 for it. And other stuff, real quick, excited about a trip I'm taking,

and Henry and I will cross paths for this thing we can't talk about. And then at the end of July, I'm taking a trip with my wife to Minneapolis, Minnesota to soak up some Midwestern vibes and a lot of Midwestern beer and also to see the Riff Trax live show in person. So maybe if you buy the video version, you'll see me in the audience.

Maybe. Keep an eye out for Bob's laughing face. No, I mean, what more natural place to see the former Mystery Science Theater performers live than in Minneapolis? And it's the same theater where they would do their live shows back when they had a television show in the mid to late 90s. So it's a real part of Mystery Science Theater history, the state theater in Minneapolis. So I'm looking forward to going there for that reason as well. But yeah, that is my non-Simpsons, non-podcasty stuff. Henry, how about you? Well, so my month after playing gigantic

RPGs, I decided to get a little more action-y and fast. And so I finally played Controlled and completed it. And also did a couple of the dlcs that are part of the ultimate collection control is a lot of fun it's more jumpy and shooty than alan wake and it was fun to be kind of like wild and wacky and also when alan wake rips off twin peaks meanwhile control rips off x files and so i i like the vibe of ripping off x files iiles. I see. I didn't know Control was an X-Files nod. Basically, if you shove together Mulder and Scully, they are pretty much just the main character of Control. I'm looking forward to playing that. I will eventually, but everyone always says, oh, the part with the ashtray, and they refuse to explain anymore. That part is really cool. Man, that's a cool part. I don't want to know. I just want to get to explain anymore oh that part is really cool man that's

a cool part yeah i don't want to know i just want to get to it but that's all i hear about it and then it turns out i played it for a very good reason because the alan wake 2 night springs dlc came out which has illusions to control and i wanted to play control because it actually teased alan wake stuff before alan wake 2 came out so So the Night Springs DLC came out, which basically works to, they made like three 45-minute levels that combine into about two to three hours of gameplay that are all nice and fun, a little side content for the world of Alan Wake 2, but it is not a continuation of Alan Wake 2 if that's what you were looking for. Yeah, I need to get around to playing Alan

Wake 2. It came free with my video card. So one of these days. I know it's like also a 30-hour game, so it's not a short one. You know, you can make it 20 if you really, but then you also need to watch like a two-hour video on everything that happened in Alan Wake before. And what about that other Remedy game that no one

played? Quantum Break? Is that involved anyway? Yes, but they have the rights to control it, Alan Wake. I believe they share the Quantum Break IP with Microsoft, so they can only make oblique allusions to Quantum Break. That was a $5 purchase recently quantum break and you know maybe it's a retirement game i'm not in any hurry to play it i'm just curious as to like what the hell is this i know it's part of it's like a tv show you watch it's very very strange

it also i just re-watched uh i didn't play it either but i just re-watched like a trailer for because yeah i think it's on game pass as well so it made me look at it again and it seemed like it it was them taking the max pain they're like well everybody loved bullet time and max pain what if we did that times 20 of slow down and rewind and time travely stuff well if there's one thing the fins are good at well they're good at two things hand-drawn gay porn and and game design. Sadly, that still hasn't gotten in Alan Wake. The former has not appeared in Alan Wake yet. There's no Tom of Finland DLC? No.

The Alan Wake world is a rather hetero one. I mean, there's an occasional gay character in there, but it's a pretty hetero world. Then as for movies, I did a lot of it streaming at home I watched hitman the Glenn Powell Richard Linklater movie totally good it's a very Glenn Powell is good at starring in movies they go like this is nice this is a nice little time it's a it's a good little time maybe this is the point but it seems insane to me after year decades of Hitman movies, there's so many Hitman movies, the movie is just called Hitman. Well, the movie is about a guy who pretends to be a Hitman.

And it's mainly about a man who did decades of entrapment on sad people, pretty much. And his point is that there aren't Hit men hit men don't exist not that you could hire it's always police entrapment that's what that's what the last podcast on the left says you're not talking to a hit man you're talking to somebody from the fbi hang up the phone there are no real hit men yes exactly that that's the point of the movie but the real point of the movie is glenn powell is a likable person who gets to play multiple types of guys in the movie and it's an acting uh barrage you get from glenn powell then i also watched the ron howard documentary jim henson idea man and it really is like obviously if you've read the book

if you've read the the you know gigantic biography on jim henson or watch the very long and very detailed defunct land uh miniseries there's no reason to watch this to find new information i wanted to watch it to see the new interviews with all the people who knew him and it was really touching especially to see it basically was like can they make frank oz cry like that's the big challenge of the movie and they could they they succeeded it seems very easy these days but then frank oz can make anyone cry it seems like anyone he meets immediately starts crying so you were burnt and you cookie monster and and and also they didn't do the thing i i detest in modern documentaries

where they talk to people who never met jim henson who are just like a famous guy. Like, you know, let's say they talk to Josh Gad, who goes like, God, Jim Henson was so important to me in childhood. He was so like, they don't do any of that mood setting stuff. They only talk to people who had worked with Jim Henson. Well, I have no patience for Ron Howard, especially after he whitewashed JD Vance, that disgusting pig man. So I will not be watching any future Ron Howard productions and I'll spit on him in public if I see him. Well, and at the end watch jd vance that disgusting pig man so i will not be watching any future ron howard productions and i'll spit on him in public if i see him well and at the end of the movie they have nothing but lies for his last troubled months of working with the disney company i'm sure i'm sure but then i'm sure they show you the funeral to be like well isn't this said don't you miss him yeah this is

a good documentary and and they get a little more into the family stuff and how he him and his wife uh were basically separated for like a decade or more like they do get a little into that so and how she was his mentor did they get into that at all a little bit a little bit yeah okay so uh but then speaking of disney i watched Inside Out 2. It's all right. I had complained recently about how I didn't know the plot of this movie when I had complained recently on a podcast about how every cartoon is about having a panic attack now. I should have realized when a character named the emotion anxiety is in the movie that it was going to be more of that in this movie.

So this is panic attack the movie. Pretty much. It's all right. What's really funny, though, is because they cast everybody who was in the office in Parks and Rec and all that for the first movie, now it's like 2010 comedy people against 2020 comedy people in the movie because that's who all the new actors are, like Ayo Adebri and Paul Walterhauser and Maya Hawk. comedy people in the movie because that's who all the new actors are like aodebre and paul

walter hauser and and maya hawke they're the new emotions who are younger and cooler yeah just okay seems to be the general consensus but it turns out that's all they needed for this movie to be a hit because it's doing very well so it's sad to see that the disney pixar initiative of sequel sequel sequels is actually working seemingly it's paying off it's the one the biggest uh releases of the year so far biggest opening weekends i the best part of it to me uh this is a very light spoiler in the middle of the movie but they go to the embodiment of imagination and it is being controlled by i is being controlled by anxiety, but it is imagined as an animation studio. And the animation studio is being driven by anxiety to be ready for all of these things

and all of the artists are miserable. And then they rediscover the character Joy and they find a way to be creative through Joy instead of anxiety. And the animators are making better things and that seemed like a very intentional statement by by pixar to me yeah i'm just wondering when this story was written and what is what it is reflecting you know what what era they're reflecting with that kind of state but it also seems very pixar-y to be like what if the brain was a different kind of

office we've done the one kind of office everything needs to be work yeah it it is absolutely a job like everything is a job the emotions driving your brain are a job but they they've uh you can see how they've read updated child psychology books than they had when they released the film in 2015 so there's there's new child psychology they put onto it. And then as far as watching at home stuff, I've watched The World's End. It's totally all right. It's the least of the three Cornetto films, I'd say, of the Simon Pegg movies. I recall when that came out, it was one of the two competing bros at the end of The World films. Yes, yeah. It was poorly timed.

It was basically the british versus the american version of it uh and then i went on the criterion channel and watched onibaba which i'd never seen before i decided i wanted to start watching the hideo kojima uh criterion closet list which he picked only classic japanese films that he felt people should watch more uh watch and so I was like okay which do I start with I'd never seen Onibaba it is weird and crazy and like it is a crazy weird sexual uh adventure or not adventure of psychological uh terror I guess you'd call I don't know it's. It's a very, it's very interesting. Even more interesting when I learned that the lead actress in the movie was the wife of the director too, which adds extra psycho sexual stuff to it.

Yeah. If I could plug the criterion channel, it's great. You will end up watching things that you would normally not click on on another streaming channel just because you're like, what the hell is this? And why does everyone like it? Okay. They,

and they curate really good theme months too. It's really great. Then for streaming stuff, been watching the new season of The Boys. It's fun to be current with the show everybody's watching. Though it's only eight episodes a season and then it's probably going to be no new boys for another two years.

So it's fleeting. It's fleeting. And speaking of fleeting smiling friends i've been watching that it's nearly over they have one episode left i have uh i've watched like two or three of them i haven't gotten too far into it i think i'm just gonna watch them all in one 40 minute chunk one night but i did see a lot of people were surprised by the nostalgia critic jump scare and i'm willing to forgive that because it's like well these guys grew up with him i i don't care a lot of people i think people are looking for reasons to cancel these creators and it just strikes me as like well let them make the first move okay

don't go like looking for the smoking gun yeah as you cataloged when we covered it for what a cartoon it's guys in their like late 20s early 30s who grew up on youtube stuff like they they're gonna put it's the equivalent of putting you know mr show guys in tim and eric except these guys are younger so they're putting like they they are all that's why the red lighter media guys are in the pilot episode or and in the new season too the the jay and rich are in there yeah i heard rich evans is a voice and he's born to be a voice actor no one sounds like rich evans and uh well and isn't that crash bandicoot type guy grimbley uh isn't he the best i love that guy i love the the mixed media approach that show takes with live action and you know stop motion and even the old junkie ps1 graphic characters and i've been still staying current with one piece

things are really heating up in the the book this uh month in the comics and if you'd like to hear me talk all about it i returned to the one piece podcast this month to chat about it and it was a lot of fun to to read through it and and make some fun references and and finally in the anime, I finished the first season of Delicious in Dungeon, already been renewed for a second, and it's great. Studio Trigger, amazing animation. I love all the characters. It's a cooking show. It's a psychological adventure. It's about friendship and family. It's just great. And the manga author recently ended the series so she could play Baldur's Gate 3, and I respect that. That's badass, man. And previous What a Cartoon Guest Sungwon Cho is the superstar of the show as Senshi, still that great. And yeah, finally, I'm about to head out to Los Angeles. First off, to go to Disneyland Pride Night, which I think is going to be a lot of fun, and it's part of our whirlwind trip, for sure. Tell me which characters are gay when you go there. I got to know.

Well, Bob, as you know, every Disney live action film has the first gay character in a Disney live action film. That's true. I mean, I was looking at information about this just because I didn't know what the night entailed. And I saw Mickey and Minnie are there. They're being supportive. But I need to know who are the gay characters wandering around on their lonesome and it can't just be stitch well i'm definitely well so they gave stitch like a girlfriend angel which i i dislike but japan loves stitch a lady stitch no angel's cute i don't want to be negative on angel she is cute i like her but uh the thing I want to see that I saw in the videos from last year that I hope they repeat again is that Clarabelle Cow was dressed up big time for it. And she was serving Hunty.

But seriously, the person who dressed up as Clarabelleell was doing a drag performance as Clarabelle. And it seemed like a lot of fun. That's who I really want to see. Where is Horace Horsecaller? What of him and his sexuality? I don't think I saw him in any of the videos. But I'll be keeping an eye out for Horace and any of the evil gays as well. Will Jafar be represented, I wonder?

I want to know. LeFou? I'll keep an eye out. Well, that is what's going on with us. Now it's time to talk about what the comments are saying. And by the way, we're recording this one a week earlier, like we said before. So if we didn't cover something this week, we will cover it in the next month's

episode. So do not fear. So moving on to Talking Simpsons, Break My Wife wife please is the episode and harry thornton says oh by the way i do want to say a lot of these comments are related to things that we mentioned in the uh opening this day in history thing because i feel like that's where most of the comments are coming from people are immediately responding to that and just listening to the show so in case you're wondering like why are you talking about the gamecube in break my wife please well that's the reason why the day in history stuff so harry thornton says

while nintendo's e3 2003 conference was seen as boring and safe at the time as recently highlighted by youtuber rt game there is one moment that stands out then nintendo of america president george harrison reggie and his kicking ass line didn't happen until next year in 2004 addressed the question of the company making more mature games and if they'd evolve with the times. He assured people that while they would adapt, their characters would remain the same and that Mario will never start shooting hookers.

And that Mario will never start shooting hookers things was in quotes. Thank you, Harry. And yeah, we're coming off of a recent Nintendo Direct as of this recording. There was no footage of Mario shooting sex workers in it, so we're still safe. It hasn't happened yet, 20 years later. And then, no, I mean, yeah, that Nintendo Direct was just another reminder of, like,

Nintendo is sticking to the plan and they are doing what they are good at and that they aren't making, like, gigantic expensive games all the time. They are spreading out good ideas in games that get and they're just releasing a bunch of stuff and compare that to the microsoft one i watched last week which i felt was full of mostly full of games and maybe like huh okay and then at the end of it it says oh it's on game pass half the time it says this is on game pass i

say well i guess maybe i'll try it then okay yeah it's interesting i really think this is a video game corner by the way nintendo they're going to show off the switch 2 at some point in history maybe next year's e3 pseudo e3 celebration but i my opinion is they're going to wait until the switch is the number one best-selling console of all time they only have 15 million more to sell and then i think they're going to say okay that's it we're cashing in and doing the next one they just want to hit that record first because now right now they're number three under ds and ps2 oh man just 15 i didn't know it was that close they i i hope they can do it i would be i mean they've got a good they have a good year of uh of content coming our way but there's no there is no tears of the

kingdom level thing like that feels except maybe metroid prime 4 but hey the ace attorney investigations collection is on the same tier as tears of the kingdom for me at least is is that the last one that had not been officially localized is is this yes wow they're finally closing the gap it was fan translated uh years ago and that translation i hear is very good i just never got around to playing it and now i don't have to so yes capcom has now officially localized every ace attorney game it is crazy seeing this uh the in 2024 they have another one of these full of presentations that in you know a 2011 nintendo direct half the anime games and it wouldn't have gotten the feature

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That's more useful to people than lighting a cigarette. That's how it should be. The cigarette lighter port always felt dangerous to me. Why am I able to plug my iPod into this? It makes no sense. It's a fire machine. You have one wire plugged into that to get your CD player running and then, no, your iPod running, and then a wire from your iPod to a tape deck that you stick into your radio so it'll play the iPod through the tape deck. Or you have a little thing attached to your iPod that basically turns it into a pirate radio station that can broadcast only to your car.

Oh, that's nice. I didn't have that. I only had the wire thing. And then I stopped having a car around that same time. So moving on to the front of Vance Jericho says, now brace yourself. This may be one of the most obscure bits of Simpsons trivia, but during the Ned Flanders segment at the end, the producers mistakenly left in a bit of sloppy audio editing for at least

the first airing syndication in Disney plus versions of this episode. After Todd says, we're not going to church today. You can hear one of the producers, I think Mike Reese again, start to say the word church before Ned starts talking. They apparently caught this for the DVD version and cleaned up the audio there. So thank you, Vance Jericho. Maybe we can go back and analyze that audio clip that Henry clipped. I'm not sure what your source was for that, Henry, but I've never noticed this. No, I never noticed it, too. You know, I have

it right here. I think I can play it. Knock that off, you two. It's time for church. We're not going to church today. What? You give me one good reason. I heard it. I heard it, too. Wow. I heard it, too. Yes.

Wow, wow. I never noticed that. maybe I'm just too distracted by the colorful images of the Flanders family but yeah thank you to I believe that was sorry I just scrolled down in my notes fans Jericho for pointing that out yes thank you very much fans that's very good I just heard that church you can really catch it there man man. That is maybe the most obscure, but to preview for the future, guys, on the Margin Chains episode, I found an even more obscure bit of Simpsons history that we'll be revealing there. A deleted character from a script. Patrick McLafferty says on that same episode, I watched way too much Happy Days over the years,

so I think the episode might be referencing Pinky Tuscadero being severely injured in a demolition derby against the Malachi brothers instead of a motorcycle accident. Homer did not have his Happy Days podcast available. He was just going off of memory. Now we know. it's uh that yeah homer should have just started a happy days podcast at that point but the i was just seeing that the happy days again it's it's hard to find all online and then i saw on like some dvd sale on amazon it's like oh instead of the complete series of happy days it's just the first six seasons for twenty dollars and like one dvd box set maybe that's all you need. And hey, I'm looking online. There is a Happy Days podcast. It is at episode 257 and it's called These Days Are Ours.

And it did, it looks like the last episode was in, oh, the last episode was last week. So it's still running. Good. Hey, good on them. And then when they run out of that, you know, it just becomes a Laverne and Shirley podcast,

unless maybe they've been doing like we do with Futurama. They do a Laverne and shirley podcast unless maybe they've been doing like we do with futurama they do a laverne and shirley each month and then uh joni loves chachi who knows and blinkski's beauties or whatever there's eight happy day spinoffs folks we we can't go over all of them here but i guess you can learn more about those in the laverne and shirley in the army uh cartoon we did too you can learn too much frankly uh moving on to our what a cartoon for that month the inhumanoids the evil that lies within part three and david thompson says this is a cartoon that i've never heard of i'm not even sure it was shown in the uk at all i watched all five parts of the evil that lies within and it just has a strange unpleasant feeling to it i don't think it would

have appealed to me as a five-year-old you also mentioned captain simeon in the and the Space Monkeys, another show I hadn't heard of until you covered it. You mentioned that it was only available on YouTube through Bad VHS Rips, but now it's available to stream on 2B, and I've also seen a 540p restoration and a 1080p upscale made by fans based on the 2B stream, so it can now be seen in a reasonable quality. And yes, thank you, David Thompson. The news hit within the past couple of weeks that Captain Simeon in the Space Monkeys has been released on Tubi. And now apparently fans are upscaling it themselves. So good on them. Because when we covered it for What a Cartoon in, I don't know, 2018, 2019, there were only really fuzzy, bad quality VHS strips. And it is a quality little sci-fi show it's great that uh that it's finally

getting a chance to be rediscovered on tubi of all places which is where people rediscover things nobody thought they cared about and and that uh captain simeon it's too bad like the the creator passed away uh in between when we did the podcast on it and now which is too bad but yeah it's i think it's a really it was a really good show with a with a promising idea and to see that they at least have like vhs masters as the starting point instead of just like whatever a kid taped off of tv in 1996 like that's that's good that it's finally getting uh a better better version out there speaking of obscure what a cartoon subjects now they only need to release the original versions of bucky o'hare are those still not out there oh though i mean i i feel like that the comics have been out of

print for over 20 years and i believe the version i watched for that episode was a was a vhs recording as well yeah well we were lucky with inhumanoids that it got a dvd release first before uh the copyright fell into a a dark underground chasm not unlike where the inhumanoids live i'm looking it up now i guess there was a bucky o'hare dvd set but it's wildly out of print so even that made it to DVD and I'm guessing like 2000 it's 2004 well you know again we can only hope that Disney buys more of these things and starts putting them out there I want to see Bucky O'Hare drawn into a new Simpson short look Marge it's Bucky over here Bucky there were a couple days where Bucky O'Hara and Bart Simpson were equal popularity yes one brief second of crossover I only have one comment for Inhumanites can you move on to Talking Futurama

Henry oh sure so on Rebirth the first one we did of the Comedy Central era Blake R says I admittedly don't have a lot of fondness for the Comedy Central era. It was similar to Arrested Development for me in that perhaps the fight to get more Futurama for years couldn't quite meet expectations once it was actually back in a regular episodic form. I too scoured the No Homers forum daily and felt a bit of a disconnect with some of the other members gushing over the new episodes. There are a few standout episodes i remember but to this day i haven't revisited any of it since it's airing it'll be interesting to have them revisited through the talking simpsons network 14 years separated it's been weird to do time uh that do

the history segments for these and be like now nostalgic for 2010 it's it's effing me up a little oh my late 20s yeah and i'm enjoying this like we said it before and i'm glad people are sticking with the show and being optimistic like us it's it's interesting to know there are uh 52 episodes of a series i love that are basically unknown to me and uh i'm getting a lot of joy out of watching these new adventures and i'm sure there's going to be some some downs and some ups but uh yeah i'm just i'm fascinated just to see what these even are in the first place yeah i am lesser known and it's also after the first season i really sorry the first comic central season i

really don't know the the ones after that as well either like i watched as we're looking at as i'm looking ahead to the other ones like wow that's that's and this is going to last four years of our podcast. And so then after that, we'll have and after that, we'll probably have like 40 to 80 episodes of the Hulu seasons to talk. Yes. Don't worry. We've planned. We've made plans to do this for the rest of our lives. It's going to be OK. So moving on to Joe Hodgson, who says, The tidbit about how the team got to animate 2D over 3D had me thinking about the Disney film 101 Dalmatians. I don't know if the techniques on display here are really at all similar.

They just sounded to my ear like they were. But back when DVDs came loaded with special features, there was a really cool one on that Disney release about how the studio used actual models for Cruella de Vil's car and then animated over them sort of like rotoscoping. There was even archival footage of the model being pulled through soap shavings to imitate snow for that moment when she drives up the side of a hill. It's worth tracking down for anyone interested in such things. And I can tell you, Joe Hodgson, they were doing this more than a decade earlier. That came up on my Pinocchio research, the Stromboli's cart was

a live action footage that they basically traced over to portray just all the dimensionality of it and the weight of it and have it move accurately just like they were referencing and rotoscoping humans they were doing the same thing with inanimate objects. Someday if we cover

101 Dalmatians the technical aspect is the the big draw of the movie and that it is like it's like the xerox process the movie it's keeping track of all the dots on all of the all the spots on all the different dogs and also i was just seeing somebody like in animation twitter share uh the pencil test of just the male human lead of the movie putting on a coat and them saying like, you know, this is needlessly showing off how good they are at doing a guy putting on a coat. And if you were going to put it in a 3D movie now, they would, you'd just be told, can they just be wearing the coat at the start of the next scene? It's really hard to put

coats on. on way way more difficult uh so yeah i i saw that same piece of footage too very i think it was like uh god milt call maybe who did that it sounds like that or uh i would bet milt call or frank or ollie those those would be my guesses yeah next up is talk king of the hill for dog dale afternoon uh one we really really enjoyed it's It's maybe the best Dale episode with crazy timing. And so John Halsky says, I love the summation of Hank Hill that you guys quoted in this episode. Perhaps another way to get at the idea is a sentiment this episode left me with and I think is recurring throughout the series. It's good to be good to others,

even with all their flaws and not because they'll fix themselves for you i really appreciated how many times hank and others in the show come through for each other even when their friends sometimes even their enemies are at their worst he's referencing the quote that i read that uh robert evans was explaining the value of hank and what king of the hill means and it was in response to that Mr. Bertram show. By the way, Chapo Trap House did an amazing episode about Mr. Bertram. If you're confused or worried as to what Mr. Bertram is,

they have a full breakdown on their own, basically version of what a cartoon. That's the Daily Wire cartoon starring Adam Carolla as a character he invented as way back, like in the pre-crank anchors days he was holding on to bircham right no and it's uh uh the guest on that episode is a previous talking simpsons guest ben clarkson of uh great artist but yeah to hear i just loved hearing for that about how it's you know king of the hill they they felt the same that it's like

king of the hill minus any charm or interesting ideas. But also that every voice they get in it hates to be there and is miserable. They even get Roseanne, and Roseanne isn't even fun and crazy. She just is bored. Yeah, everyone sounds like they're at gunpoint. Even Adam Carolla, who's the title character. Yeah. And moving on to Cody C., who's talking about targets and by the way side note

targets is the peter bogdanovich film that is a loose adaptation of the events of the charles whitman mass killing so i just want to throw that context in so cody says targets is a hell of a film my wife and i went to see it at the prince charles cinema in london as a mystery movie while i'm an american and grew up in the times of columbine onward and my wife is from greece there is a gap of understanding in a british audience of what it's like to live in a world where this is considered normal uh there was some uncomfortable laughter in the cinema while watching the film but how this climax plays out along with the slightly under the surface commentary about the concepts of classic macabre horror being confronted with the perpetrator of what is essentially senseless murder i think it lands just fine even today.

And yeah, I gave Targets a slight recommend. It's very odd in the way that it's depicting the Whitman stuff and also the end of Boris Karloff's career and how they both kind of come together in a way that does make sense. It's not the movie you think it's going to be. And I think in that way, it is interesting. I think I saw somebody else comment either on that or or maybe it was a social media reply saying how targets has been brought up by some uh horror movie historians that it's like a big moment in horror films that it it presents a horror movie is just like a senseless maniac who's all too real as opposed to you know a monster of some kind yeah yeah it just basically the horror of this could happen to you and the person

who does it is not a goblin running down the street screaming it's just a normal looking guy who you'd pass by every day or perhaps even work with i i would think it it's definitely different as the uh as as cody said to see that in a theater in london with a with a british audience who does not live under the uh the tyranny of of loose gun laws of their country well i might have mentioned this before but when i go see a movie at a canadian movie theater they're not telling me look for the nearest exit you're going to need to know where it is when the guns start to fly in yes it's no this the safety rules in the movies like if there's an emergency look for the lighted exit it just reminds you like you could be shot at any moment who knows like yeah thanks to cole kidman and our final podcast we have comments on for this

month is the what a cartoon movie for bender's big score the futurama return film and cool and covm says the cardboard dvd box sets are like the bane of my existence i almost wonder if some companies use them hoping that the rough cardboard packaging will destroy the discs so that you'll have to buy another copy in the future when the discs when the discs are unreadable. When I got the Steven Universe Complete series, several of the DVDs scratched on their first removal from the sleeve. Yeah, I think, you know, cynically they're thinking, well, this is cheap. We don't care what happens next.

But I know the next thought is, ooh, if these things get scratched, that's a second purchase for us. Though, you know, now it's rare I get a new DVD or Blu-ray or whatever that is in one of those cardboard sleeves. It more is they're just poorly stacked on, you know, the basically it's like two discs that are facing each other that are on the peg. But they always fall off the peg and they come out loose. The crazy one, I hadn't opened it. I was rewatching some community recently and I bought the community Blu-ray set that I didn't have before after my husband and I watched all the community streaming during the pandemic. We're like, we should own the Blu-ray set.

So we get it. And then the discs are on pegs, except they're stacked too deep. So it's like two discs on top of each other, two discs on top of each other, then squeezed facing each other. Yeah, it's like you have to do disc archaeology. You have to do a disc dinosaur dig up to find the right one you want.

And the menus, then once you put them in, the menus are so bad, it's hard to even find any bonus features. You wouldn't know they bothered putting all the old DVD bonus features on them if you didn't dig a little deep in the very cheap DVD menus. Yeah, I mean, I think physical media is now becoming a boutique product, even with things like movies. So as we march more forward into this future, I feel like they are going to be more durable because they're going to be for disgusting little freaks like us who want to own a movie we'll watch once and then put it on our shelves so we can say, uh?

Yep. Yep. I do that all the time. Just having the movie in your house gives you power. You gain all the knowledge of the movie. That's my understanding. I watched Criterion, when I watched Onibaba, it was very stable. But when I watch things anytime I watch like a movie on Disney,

Disney Plus, okay, but Paramount Plus or HBO Max, oh, I get that spinning dial. It just kills it every time. And I just think, God, if I had a disc, this wouldn't be happening. So we're going to move on to the final comment about Bender's big score. Joe Hodgson, who says,

I was still incredibly stoked and excited for this movie when it came out, and I definitely was able to overlook the flaws. That wasn't the case with the movies that followed. Beast is frustrating because it's so good for the first half, and then it's so bad and long. Bender's game is just all over the place and bizarre, while Into the Wild Green Yonder is perhaps the most boring of them all, but because it felt like another finale that has a little weight to it.

Good call on just skipping over them, and I am interested in seeing the Comedy Central era again, since I didn't watch it over and over like I did with the Fox years. I recall some good stuff and some not-so-good stuff, but I'm curious if I was just too hard on it back when it premiered, or perhaps too forgiving. And yes, thank you, Joe. I think mostly everybody is on on board in the same way and i have heard nobody saying i'm leaving this patreon until you cover bender's game no one has said that so people

understand and they know that essentially we make the rules and we decide what we'll cover but for the sake of our sanity and for the sake of your enjoyment uh we're going to jump to the comedy central ones if we spent four months covering Bender's Game, you would find out where we lived and at least kill one of us, I think. It ends now! Or if it took over our movie slots for three more months in a row, then yeah, it would take forever

and it would preclude us from doing other movies. And yeah, we watched them all and told you what we thought, but yeah, they just are all not as good as Bender's big score. Yes, some things are not worth covering. And I'm glad that you understand and are on board with what we're doing. So thank you so much for sticking with us. And yes, June, slow news month.

Things are picking up soon when it comes to Comic-Con news. We'll be reporting on that next month but please remember we are taking the first week of July off so thanks for your patience with that first week of July for Patreon second week of July for free feed but as we said before there will be something for you to listen to in

the meantime so please do not despair and we are all doing this to give ourselves a little break and to budget ourselves some travel time because we're doing something very cool that we can't wait for you to see and see it you will, but we don't know when. Yes, yeah, look forward to it

and look forward to a big month in July. We also have really cool guests coming up on Talking Simpsons for July. We've already recorded all of it and they were all great. So keep an eye out for that too. We hope you guys have a great summer too.

Why does it sound like a yearbook now? Yes, I'll sign all of your yearbooks if you bring them to our next live show. But that has been another episode of Talk to the Audience. We'll see you again in two weeks for a new Talking Simpsons. Until then, take care. Wow. Infotainment.