Talking Simpsons - Talk to the Audience?!? - March 2022

Episode Date: April 6, 2022

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I heartily endorse this event or product. this lousy smart weather who is here with me today as always. Hey, owner of Billabong Sportswear now, Henry Gilbert. Far out, man. I have not seen a Billabong in years. And I'm going to give up that joke right up at the front. And yes, this is our community podcast if you're not aware. At the end of every month on Patreon, the beginning of every month on the free feed, we go over what's happening in the world of The Simpsons

and in our world. Then we respond to questions and comments that you left on our Patreon for the most recent round of episodes and yes we are now sliding into april uh things seem to be improving if you're not in the ukraine but uh yeah in america sure yeah yeah yeah man hey those numbers are dropping uh yeah numbers are dropping things are opening up you can just walk into a store without a mask on and in california which is weird like i still i still feel like you know what i i'm gonna keep my mask

on for now anyway even though i'm fully vaxxed and all that i'll get the fourth shot if they tell me you're gonna be paying out the notes for that one buddy yes we're simply out of money the white house they just ain't got no money no you're gonna be billed for the last three retroactively because they're like look guys we you've had it too easy with all of this you didn't die did you well then pay up buddy but uh yeah nina is not here this month unfortunately but she's here in spirit yes yeah we should just have you know what from now on let's send her all of our comments and she can just like record them and send them to us and we'll play that'll make my job easier no no i'm kidding i but it was really fun having mina just to hang around with as well having a guest in the studio after two years yes also that was fun yeah and

but yeah this uh and this i guess is recorded look if something happens between friday and tuesday of the of before this post don't blame us we owe you a coke yes yeah hey i i've been really hoping you know clarence thomas has been in the news lately and we mentioned him on the newest uh talking simpsons and i was really hoping for once that curse would uh work out i i'm sick of the curse because people are applying it too broadly. Now listen. It's got to happen to somebody who was a voice on the show. Not somebody who is depicted on a show three weeks ago. Yes. In that case, anybody who dies is part of the death curse.

Yeah, exactly. Just because I have a joke about Madeline Albright when she's voiced by Tress McNeil, it does not count as a Simpsons curse. Yes. Yeah, I'm sorry. So I'm fine if it's like a Gordie Howe or let's say a George H.W. Bush figure. In that case, yes, but you have to apply it correctly.

Don't make me tap the sign, the death curse sign. But yes, let's go over Simpsons news. Lots of new episodes lately, including an episode of Homer and Marge Trap Nude. It's called Pixelated and Afraid. Is that a parody of Naked and Afraid? Yes.

Yeah, yeah. and Marge Trapp nude. It's called Pixelated and Afraid. Is that a parody of Naked and Afraid? Yes. Yeah. I watched all four of the new ones this month and they were good. I think the show is... I've been hearing on Twitter some of the discourse going like this is the best season

of Simpsons in a while and I do think it's been... The four I watched this month were really good. The Homer and Marge one was really a trip to watch because we're right now in the era of Homer is a hateful monster who doesn't like his wife at all and is the worst husband ever. And meanwhile, that new episode was about that Homer and Marge love each other, but they have become a boring couch couple

who doesn't go on adventures or do anything romantic. But the central conceit is that Homer loves her and does not spend every day at Moe's, which is very different than season 13 Homer. And I see this one, by the way, I've been very, very busy this month, have not seen these. I'm planning for finally celebrating my nuptials with other people in public after a two-year delay.

So I'll be taking a trip much later in April, but I'm doing a lot of planning ahead. So very busy. But the next episode we're going to talk about is the wilderness excursion one with Bart Martin and the Bullies. And I like that it's called Boys in the Highlands because 30 years ago we had Boy Scouts in the Hood. That's right. So we're running out of title parodies, folks. You know, it's not a title parody if you don't do it at least twice in the entire series.

Like the old man in the C student, the old man in the Lisa. And the old man in the key. There you go. We need one more. I bet there was one more. But yeah, that one was interesting because, one, it was Nelson and Dolph. No Jimbo or Kearney with Dolph, so it was Dolph by himself. And also, it was the first Martin-centric episode since Gray Griffin.

I believe that sometimes she's still credited as Gray Delisle. It's hard to keep track of. But Gray Griffin did Martin the whole episode. And I really am getting to like her Martin voice. I think she does a good job. There's no replacing the very specific high-pitched voice of Lucy Taylor. But I think she did good. And, yeah, it actually made Martin like an interesting character.

Him and Bart's dynamic was interesting to hear too. Oh, and yeah, the Marge and Homer episode was funny too, I wanted to say, because it was about how a couple that watches reality shows together all the time and then they actually get stuck in the wilderness, not unlike the camping episode in season one. And they're naked as well, but they use all of the tricks they learned on reality TV to save their lives. And there was no reality TV when Call of the Simpsons was out in 90.

Sorry, 90. But yeah, the Martin episode was good, and good looking too, yeah. And there's an episode that I recently, episode number 720, it's got a that I recently, episode number 720. It's got a long name. Let me say it. It's called, you won't believe what this episode is about.

Act three will shock you. And it was completely helmed by all women. The first time for the entire series. I mean, the Simpsons had a history of being bad at hiring women. The first woman was hired in season six, Jennifer Crittenden. And, you know, there's not a lot of women after her uh there's a lot more now but it took a long time for them to hire a more diverse writing crew but yeah directed by jennifer moeller and i looked up her credits she started on

futurama in season two and then moved to the simpsons after fox canceled futurama so she's been with the simpsons since 2004 and it's finally direct well I don't I I'm not sure if this is her first directing one but yeah and like no she's been directing since like 2018 or something like that yeah this is her first one partnered with a woman in Christine Angle and then on top of that assistant director the lead timer and background layout all women as well like a real a real first for the series in the 720th episode. I even saw, this is in public so I can say, it was on LinkedIn. I saw Susie Dieter congratulate one of the women who posted about it on LinkedIn. And Susie Dieter was like, wow, you know, I was the only woman in the group of animators back then.

So it's amazing to see how far it's come since then. The first and only for a while. But yes, i didn't watch this episode again my apologies but the title uh bothered me because i'm like did a 60 year old write this title because this is what clickbait was in 2011 i mean i i think it is one of the gene helmed ones uh but i so okay this is gonna sound it's a good it was a real good it was a good episode they're not my favorite of the four this month. But yes, it is about Homer gets canceled and has to deal with it. And he goes viral because even though he actually, get this, Homer actually isn't cruel in this episode.

As cruel as he would be in any season 12 episode. He is actually going to buy Santa's little helper dog ice cream, and Santa's little helper locks, and he leaves the windows open and the AC on, and Santa's little helper locks himself in and rolls up the windows, and everybody thinks Homer did that to his dog, and everyone in town hates him. That's why you need to leave the note on the windshield that says,

he's inside listening to his favorite music, the AC is on. Homer, Homer didn't know. And then he tries to make an apology. And then he actually says, sorry, you were offended. And then he is super canceled and can't go out anywhere. And then there is a big third act crazy twist that involves Kumail Nanjiani's character trying to help Homer. And also several other characters have been canceled as well.

They become basically a Suicide Squad parody. Okay. Act three gets crazy. And the best one was that Helen Lovejoy was a lemonade Karen who was like calling the cops on a lemonade stand. I thought that was good. Okay. lemonade karen who was like calling the cops on a lemonade stand i thought that was good okay yeah and then uh the last new episode uh that was just last weekend was barbie friends a cool kid who gets him into like basically this thing called slip preem which is a parody of i believe supreme uh fashion so this is uh ladies and gentlemen the weekend yes yes as liam neeson says every friday

uh though i can't feel my face when I'm with you and the fact that I know that and saying it poorly just now was makes me just like Homer in that episode who as a man in his mid late 30s early 40s he is trying to be hip and but by being hip he is ruining Bart's new friends cool stuff so and yeah it's just about about bart befriending a kid who's like i think it could be bart's first black friend also in the entire series what about uh lewis oh right yeah well he's off to the side you're okay you're right he's always been there he has many lines his millhouse once i think lewis actually has a line in that episode even, I think.

And as always, when Homer or Bart get fancier clothes, to see the heavily stylized fashion designs on the incredibly simple, like, oh, Bart got a crazy new sneaker. It looks weird on the regular clothes they normally wear. I'm actually looking at all of the recent episodes and I'm seeing some recastings, you know, some race-based recastings. So Don Lewis, who plays LaBarbara on Futurama, is Bernice Hibbert now. Oh, that's right, yes.

Jay Pharoah is Dredrick Tatum and Kimberly Brooks is Lewis. Right, wow, okay, yes, that's true. You know, I didn't, in the viral episode that's when bernice and dredrick tatum have uh lines it's the first time they've had lines since the uh then this new season so wow i didn't i didn't care that's good okay it's going even to the uh very lesser characters in the show why i would wonder if every time they write their scripts they just keep going to like oh wait a minute this guy was also a white guy.

Crap. All right. Let's find somebody else. Let's take another part away from Tress McNeil or Hank Azaria. Disney can pay for it. Yeah. I hope, you know, I hope they're not having to cut budget elsewhere for this and that Disney is just going like, here's your diversity money. Like, since you're going to get nice headlines from these recastings let's at least give you the money to pay for it and up front we mentioned uh

ukraine and uh there's simpsons related news and that the show took a stance and it's anti-putin yes yeah i mean look hey every we we also just to be clear listeners in case you need us to say it we don't think putin should invade a country either. That's bad. All illegal invasions are bad, especially the ones that we did. Yeah, yeah. Henry and I, that's what I'm talking about. And you know what?

We wish we could have stopped America from doing it, same as Putin, but we couldn't. But yes, so a lot of people are doing stand with Ukraine stuff and putting the Ukraine flag or colors in their twitter handle or whatever and of course conveniently for the simpsons yellow and blue are the colors and uh so silverman himself drew the solidarity picture and marge and her hair her face and hair are right next to the flag and so they kind of run into the other and so yeah i mean it's a nice it's a nice statement and i also wanted to mention it just because we don't do this every time but i really was sick of seeing this the show did not predict this this is nothing like the what happens

in simpson time okay guys yeah it's not it's not it's not cute anymore especially because people are dying yes yeah and please don't bring that we were talking about this sketch in uh the discord for a while when it was released like uh late february and we were like it's just there's something off about it it seems unfinished and our like hypothesis was david silverman had a concept he sent it to the producers are like yeah it's great we're going to put it online he's like no no no i want to finish it so it looks like a mix of like established character art in his own like sketches of things so it seems like uh there was a character art and his own sketches of things. So it seems like there was a miscommunication there,

or they make him do everything, and he didn't have time to do one more thing. Let the man rest. Okay, I saw LG tweeting on David Silverman's birthday. It's like, it's David's birthday, and he's working on the new short. Let him rest. He's 65 years old. I mean, maybe he wants to do it.

Maybe he wants it. I don't know. Hey, that new Obi-Wan show needs promotion, and they've got to do it. I mean, again, I to do it. Maybe he wants it. I don't know. That new Obi-Wan show needs promotion, and they've got to do it. I mean, again, I've said it a million times. Silverman, the best artist, the most important artist the Simpsons ever had. If you want him to win an Oscar, give him the fucking time. Give him a budget and time.

Don't rush him on all this shit. It drives me crazy. But speaking of Silverman, there was another bit of news I pulled in late, but it was just yesterday when we recorded this that's right he pulled in some of the earliest simpsons animated drawings uh from the short good night simpsons and uh that work began on march 23rd 1987 making the show 35 now i believe it started in mid-april of 87 yes yeah the mg01 aired in mid-april uh actually i got let me just pull up the tweet here yeah so it aired april 19th man wouldn't be awesome if it was 420 but so if you're counting broadcast as the birth of the simpsons then april 19th is when it turns 35 but silverman shared on the 23rd that it was that day in 1987 that him wes archer and bill cop with matt grating started to work on good night simpsons and drawing it so and i would guess

grating had done the you know storyboards before that so it's even like you know when when when is the simpsons born, you know? But it was really something. In that meeting with Gracie Films when he quickly doodled them so they couldn't steal his rabbit characters. But yeah, if you want to go to Tubatron's Twitter and you can see some of his very first sketches of Maggie falling out of the tree in her crib. And that's why, you know, Silverman loves Maggie. I believe it's the first Simpson he ever drew. Dad, what is the mind?

What's mine? No matter. What's matter? Never mind. That's what he does in the short. Dad? Yeah? What is the mind?

What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind. I love his laugh. His laugh is a funny laugh i love that that's not the laugh that hummer would have later uh so you added this rudely while i was on my walk over here uh daniel radcliffe learned about america from the simpsons what's going on there oh yeah it's just uh so daniel radcliffe he's promoting something but it was an interesting interview he just did on the kelly clarkson show uh about how i always wonder this about regular british people and he certainly is a he was at

one time a normal british person i was like oh what did they is simpsons their window into america and what do they know and so he had a funny story about uh facts he learned from the simpsons growing up i wanted to just play real quick. So wait, speaking of like American treasures, is it true that The Simpsons was like kind of how you learned about America? Yeah, I feel like for a lot of people growing up in England, like there are things I know about America and American culture.

Like by the time I was eight years old, I was like Bismarck is the capital of North Dakota. And I know that because of The Simpsons. And I feel like there's a ton of just, like, movie stuff and references to things that I did not understand when I was watching the show. And then I saw those movies, like, 10 years later, and I was like, oh, A Clockwork Orange

or, like, Indiana Jones. Like, oh, that was what that was. Yeah, that was, I think, a big introduction to, like, all of America. It's not far off, you know, the show. It's not far off. I mean, it's like, I think it's a pretty if you wanted to like just if you

came to earth tomorrow and had to quickly educate somebody about the last 30 years of american culture you could do worse than doing the same i'm just and he's a he's a frequent guest star yes multiple time guest star but yeah i just uh that was just also like hey stars are just like us daniel radcliffe is basically our age and and learned slightly younger but uh much younger yeah you know yeah i guess uh we had graduated college when that first harry potter movie came out i started college your calendar's all over the map henry say well i never graduated college look my point you're still in some college mark that off on your uh on your resume uh but yeah i just i thought it was a funny when i was doing some last minute Simpsons news stuff, I also saw, well, last minute thing was like, Harry Shearer did an interview

for a Maine newspaper. And it was just him saying like, yes, I do still do the Simpsons. It's the one begrudgingly delivered line about the Simpsons that's in every Harry Shearer interview. He did say, somebody asked him, did you do, Al Jean told me they could do it 10 more years of it do you think you're ready for that and he's like hey i'm i'm young and he's like i'm still still fresh i can still do it another 10 years every harry shearer statement is like the checks still show up so i'm still there so yeah yeah that's that's his attitude towards the show and uh yeah latin

america is uh totally stealing uh universal Studios lunch here because there are so many cool bootleg Simpsons bars happening. And Eater did a good article about this. And I was astounded to know that in like Ecuador and Guatemala, there's a ton of Moe's bars you can go to. Yeah, it was so cool. I mean, the research done in it is so impressive and it is like you know we here we were just talking about uh uh tamlin mcgee is the the writer uh that you know here we're talking about a british person's view on it but we don't think enough about like what happens you know south of america's border what what their fandom is of the simpsons and what the simpsons mean to them and yeah i mean

this uh the story links to like ones in mexico ones in nicaragua costa rica guatemala colombia brazil like just all over the place there's not one and you are gay so you know they i wonder what they thought of that joke the every person in in iraq it's the only time they're referenced popular culture but man yeah and all the the counterfeit duffs behind the big uh mo actually that the mo they taped in the one of the pictures they taped a phone to mo's uh standy hand that's so funny and again i i've said this complaint before but the moza universal don't like it i don't and don't like that it's bright in there i don't like seeing strollers and children in there i don't like that you're served like sam adams in a plastic cup uh again uh i've said this before and i'll keep saying it i want the star

wars uh disneyland cantina experience you're you brought in for two drinks you're taken out but you get the entire mo aesthetic all around you you know i i think i figured out an extra facet of why the flaming mo there isn't good and it's not just because i think they want to sell it to children but also because i think they have a liquor license that extends to beer but they do not have one for spirits and you would need spirits to make the uh uh proper flaming mo i think though or cough syrup or cough so yeah i guess that would probably be illegal, but I just wanted to be purple.

Can it simply be purple? I don't know. There's a way to add rum to your Harry Potter butterscotch beer. Oh, that's true. But it was so complicated that I didn't end up doing it. What, for a shot of rum in this rapidly thawing drink? No. I still don't

remember how you do it, but I guess there are spirits on the premises. Yeah, I think that's right. I had to like leave. I remember they said like, okay, here it is. If you want rum in this, go over there and they'll give you rum. They can't mix it for you. So I think legally there it also is like

we can't mix a drink for you, but we can give you straight rum and you put it wherever you feel like putting it, buddy's like when i went to starbucks recently and i understand why but they won't fill travel mugs there so i got a cup of coffee dumped it in my mug and threw it out in the store it's like well there's just waste just doing eye contact with them the entire time they don't they don't trust teenagers to handle travel mugs yeah i get it i get it you know but my local coffee shops will hey that's that's why you know stick with local you don't got to do starbucks yeah and uh mentioned up front though uh billabong i was doing some simpsons crossover

clothes henry bought the mumu shorts i believe did i see you with a new hoodie as well i did also talked about last time the le's Wigsphere hoodie. I also purchased that. Oh, that was a Levi's hoodie. Okay. Yes. But yeah, there's, I got it right here. My Moo Moo shorts for my summer living.

Going to be swimming in these. I think I've now lost enough weight that I don't feel, that it doesn't feel like a joke to wear Homer's fat guy clothes. No one's going to say, I got a movie for you. A fridge too far. As I just stand there and not react to that ADR line afterwards. Exactly. Just like in the show.

But yeah, you know, and that Levi's one, it is a quality hoodie that should not be as much as it was. It was $90. Yikes. Yikes. But I mean, hey, it's good. It's the first one of those. It's made better than the like $50 screenshot hoodies that Hot Topic makes. And it

also has the Matt Groening signature underneath it, which is seemingly not on any of the Hot Topic ones. But yeah, is it $96 good? Well, I don't know about that that but the billabong shorts also weren't cheap but hey i i think they're they're nice they there's also a donut one but i think i preferred uh homer's floral lumu was a better coloring it's a classic design yeah and in uh

more simpsons merch news uh igloo coolers have some new designs, including the Quickie Marts, the Simpsons dancing, and some really weird Season 1 designs. Yes, yeah. That one with Homer with his fingers in the air, it's like, it's the key art they use for the arcade game when you win a level. Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, I guess Homer dances like that. It's the exact one. But I like, honestly, I'm glad they picked Season 1 key art to make it look like a thing that would have been made in 1990. I kind of like that. No, I'm glad they picked season one key art to make it look like a thing that would have been made in 1990. I kind of like that.

No, I do like it. And you can get the classic SDTV look, the purple TV, and, of course, Duff beer. Yeah, yeah. And one that's like you just bought it from the Quickie Mart. Yeah, I love the Duff cooler that it's like an in-universe cooler with Duff on it. So, you know, it looks like Disney is saying yes to a lot of companies now. I remember, God, when the first real line of shoes came out, was that in like 2020, summer of 2020?

Yeah. That was opening the floodgates. Now there's new stuff all the time, I feel. Yeah, it feels like they are working with like three different shirt companies and four different shoe companies all year long. It's crazy and we have more news here about simpsons vet rich moore leaving sony he was there very briefly

he left disney to go to sony now he's going to be working at skydance which we know is where john lassiter fled yes yeah you know i have to if i could have just said this to be like oh it's skydance who knows what that is? But if you're in the animation, if you pay attention to animation at all, yes, you know that Skydance is where John Lasseter went to be in charge. And it does seem like it actually is, you know, the company is spending money on big name talent. And I do look forward to like, oh, what more brad bird who's also there do but it

just is like i know every company is run by an asshole but why does it gotta be john lassiter there yeah especially a guy who contributed to a terrible company culture that they seem to be just recovering from it feels like turning right as the first movie in production since he left which is why it's a different vibe than a lot of the uh the lassitery kind of movies a very different uh a very different vibe compared to the uh the the lotso hug and bear era of of uh pixar all these cars i mean you don't need to work anymore you literally got disney to build radiator springs well he's a sicko he loves that work he didn't he could retire right now and but he wants

to run skydance but yeah it's those loud hawaiian shirts don't pay for themselves but it is interesting to me rich more um his pathway because yeah he went he worked at disney um and then actually around when laster left i think um he i think he thought he'd end up getting he might get laster's job and when did, these are all guesses, but I got the vibe that since he didn't move up to what he's a guy who could have had Lasseter's job and, and being in charge of like all Disney and feature animation, but wasn't,

and he's like a two time Oscar winner. Did Lasseter, was he in charge of like parks as well? They gave him the keys to like everything. He definitely had parks power. Yeah. Yeah. And then,

uh, but yeah, so more than moved over to sony where he'd uh i couldn't well i mean of course what is to what is the last two years who even remembers that but we'll get to that with our next news item but technically he was at sony for two years with no uh credit on a release film except for like a consulting producer on i think mitchell and the machines but yeah he so it seems like he's leaving Sony without having released a film. Now he's going to Skydance, and I guess we'll see what he does there.

Well, we've learned from friends in the industry that you can just spend years developing things that just never get made. I mean, you were working that entire time, but that just never sees the light of day. Yeah, hey, you know, the money in your bank is real you yeah as far as it looks like on imdb you just didn't make something for five years yeah no i mean there was just a giant layoff in netflix this last week of like i i'm seeing multiple animation people i follow my feet going like yeah i was in netflix nobody's ever gonna see that show and then somebody else replies like oh you got it too i was on another show that'll never exist because it got shut down

by why i mean i know why because they're just uh demons but they just raised the price yep they're i feel like they're more popular than ever uh netflix well you know uh in the cartoon wars department actually yesterday there was an article that was being shared around in a negative way by animation people on twitter about it was an interview with the head of animation at Netflix. He's saying, like, we're fighting in the cartoon wars, how Netflix plans to win the cartoon wars. Guess what, Bob? Their plan is it should be cheaper to make a cartoon.

So that Cuphead show is theirs, right? Yes. They have lots of good cartoons. Lots of good cartoons. But relating to that, I saw that they were selling the lie that, you know, two seasons is actually not one. Because, I mean, we all know what they do. They make one order and then they split it to call them different seasons. But they're just they're basically paying for one season's worth of labor, but calling it two.

And so, like, shortly after Cuphead goes live, they tweet, it got renewed for a second season. It's coming back in June. You can't you can't fool me into thinking you produced an entire season's worth of episodes in like three months yeah no you just made 26 and released 13 of them and now it's the other 13 like that's no our our pal and uh multiple time guest lindsey k ties you talked about that too about how shitty deals in animation right now uh which the guild is going against but the shitty deal of animation right now is like on her show that she'd written for infinity train was that they technically only had a one season order that locked all of their like a deal in hollywood

is if you get renewed for a new season oh everybody gets a bump up in pay everybody gets like insta raise and then probably even an additional raise on top of that but if you uh order 65 episodes all at once as an animated series but still produce it year to year and you can green light 13 more episodes but it still counts as that one season so you're not actually getting a season raise yeah you're just locked in for like seven years in some cases sometimes you can't you're not allowed to work anywhere else and that's that's why bill oakley started his food reviewing gig that's right because he was locked in his enchantment but you know netflix is like let's distribute 40 episodes over five years yep yeah yeah which uh well four years four years i guess that leads to the other bit of news that involves the x simpsons producer who isn't

working for john lassiter fortunately yes speaking of bill oakley uh season three of close enough debuts april 7th and bill oakley is a collective producer on that and again another like early pandemic uh thing that happened that i forgot about because all the episodes were dumped on hbo max in july of 2020 yep yeah it's uh doesn't it feel like just yesterday we were doing the regular show podcast what a cartoon saying like boy what's happening with close enough and it was supposed to air on tbs in like 2017 yes so a huge delay there uh but i as i said before i really like on this talk to the audience i've really enjoyed the first set episodes of close enough and i think the new season where they're actually intentionally

writing 11 minute episodes instead of like uh editing down 22 into 11 uh with bill oakley in charge i think could be even better i'm i'm really looking forward to see what oakley i mean jg quintel and all of the uh regular show alumni who work on that it's it's a good show. So I'm looking forward to more of that soon. I like how it looks. I need to get around to finally watching this. Also in animation news, the Animation Guild did a rally for a better deal in LA on March 20th. And based on the Cartoon Brew article,

it sounds like this has not really happened since the early 80s. Yes, yeah. Definitely I've been seeing from animation people, just follow people who like their jobs are just storyboarder. You will see on Twitter a lot of horror stories. It's just like awful. Like we, when we've done interviews with people who worked on The Simpsons, you know, 30 years ago, and we see their storyboard credit, like, wow, you directed and storyboard this episode. Not to get too into nuts and a bolt of it but storyboarding

then is not what storyboarding is now like you yeah you are expected to draw so much more and so many more details in a storyboard because as in most of america's corporate culture specialized jobs go away and all jobs go to one person i'm gonna say i was gonna say this is like every every field now like when i was a writer uh when i started professionally writing like on site a decade ago uh i did everything but a decade before that you wrote an article someone edited it someone put it on the website someone created art for it uh someone promoted it instead uh 10 years later that was just you you doing everything and that

stuff just as in the animation industry does not happen you know naturally it happens because managers above them said what could we cut and by cutting that technically profits go up because we have fewer people well slash that slash that slash that like yeah and that's basically how it is in animation and just seeing too like i've i've seen a lot of if you i believe the hashtag is new deal for animation just look into it like you'll read a lot of horror stories about some of the best cartoons you enjoy you'll be like oh wow they made that under that condition like there's another here's another like startling fact from the storyboarder side of things I did not know which is when you storyboard something especially now you are writing it you're a writer but multiple people tweeted of like yeah I boarded

for years on show x and then when I tried to apply for jobs as a writer in a different show they're like well you didn't write like you were a drawer you didn't that's not writing so it sounds very frustrating it's very very sad i hope i hope they can get that new deal going for them best of luck to them that's i try to share it in my feed whenever i can and in our last bit of news here it seems that a bunch of disney folks did a walkout related to the company's homophobic support and pixar folks also revealed that disney cut any trace of queer content from any type of movie that they were making if they detected it they would just snip it out yeah i i multiple people report on this the you know in the variety

piece on it was really interesting because it was connected to apparently in uh the upcoming film light year they uh there was a woman kissing a woman in it i don't want to spoil things for people the article will tell you exactly which women kiss somebody but the point is a woman kisses a woman it had been cut and apparently it has been added back to the film after all of this is this going to be the

bone thrown to people like I recall in rise of the skywalker rise of skywalker like there's like one lady hugging a lady at the very end when they're like yay we did it i forget what they did because the movie sucks but is that sort of like the same idea like from the description this is a more major character than the periphery that was put into but yeah i mean um even in turning turning red has multiple things in it that make me think this is as gay especially after pixar told their story in

a group message i was like oh there's stuff in turning red that feels like this is their compromised less gay version of a gay thing they wanted to put in and same with the um i in that same variety article they talked to the director of out which was like an explicitly gay pixar short that was made it was really cute and and i liked it a lot and hey i like any story about bearded gay guys in it but the that guy doesn't work at pixar anymore and he said he made it pretty clear of like well i can't say the you know all the details but yeah i don't work there anymore it didn't seem like the best place to be a gay creator i i want to say that uh i'm i'm i always think about this and i'm so sad that disney ended up devouring pixar because i think by this point in time they probably would have made

a non-family animated movie not like sausage party but like here's a pg-13 animated movie here's an r-rated animated movie like where's the like the animated horror movie that someone could make i'm just i feel like we have all so much like potential but uh and i think it's because they're all like family movies that they clamp down extra hard it it looks like light year could be their uh marvel movie isn't that good uh no it doesn't help me at all uh uh yeah i think it's it's too bad for pixar in a lot of ways see the articles also said that like pixar isn't it's one of those classic things you hear about in a corporate culture where it's like pixar isn't told often directly by disney cut this gay thing it's more

like why we'll cut this before we even show it to disney for approval because they won't approve like let's just save ourselves some time i draw all this stuff I just hate seeing Bob Chapek he is like just a big big tall like just skin stretched taut over a skeleton yeah he's uh there was a whole other article I read about the there's a war going on with Chapek and Iger man it's the new Disney war there's gonna be some stories they're both Bob's right yes the battle of the bobs bob uh i don't know which bob to side with i guess i i don't want to pick one bring back michael eisner hell i'll bring back different cats and birds you know what they're all about the same age obviously they're all like either late 60s and 70s but yeah it's uh but it all came down to chapek um not messaging particularly well like, hey, Disney's giving all this money

to the homophobic Florida legislature people. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I have little to add, but ugh. Yeah, uggeroo. Yeah, it's, hey, folk culture, it's bad. All of it. But I'm glad, at the very least, it has driven a lot of, there was a Disney walkout from a lot of employees at disney who are either uh queer or queer allies which i mean if this hastens people to do more uh

you know united labor action i i that's at least a nice result of uh disney supporting homophobes who also support um orlando land deals for more uh theme parks that's really why i mean i think homophobes money their opinion internally is like well gay people need to understand that being gay is not profitable overseas and until it is we're gonna cut it out of our movies and you know what that's not disney's problem okay like yeah you talk to china yes exactly see what they have to say about it uh anywho yeah i mean there's lots of there's of homophobia here, but I feel like that's a huge part of it, too. The international audience that they're very concerned about. Yeah, I know.

But I hate, like, it's not untrue. Like, yes, some foreign countries, like the Chinese government or Russia's government or Saudi Arabia, obviously are going to censor gay content, especially kids content with gay stuff in it. But that is not an excuse for also censoring things in America. Like I don't buy that. The only, the only way it works is an excuse is of saying like, well,

and we have to sell this every single place you possibly could because we need to make as much money as possible. Uh,'t have enough money i think yeah not certainly not disney any anyway yeah depressing depressing time yeah uh let's go on to our news though news about us happy news uh let's talk about what's going on on the what a cartoon schedule we've got a special april episode as usual our april episode is our april fools episode we don't cover a cartoon we cover a live action show that's like a cartoon although in this case it's a little of both because we're covering the recent netflix show uh saturday morning all-star hits the first episode of school and joining us for an interview like an hour-long interview is uh one of the executive

producers of the show scott garner we had a great interview with him about the show and then we jump into it uh with our normal uh you know blow-by-blow discussion of the show, the episode. Yeah, we both love Saturday Morning All-Star Hits. You've heard us talk about it many times on this podcast now. And if you haven't watched it yet, I think it's in every territory on Netflix. And if you like the stuff we talk about, you will like it. And, yeah, Scott Gairdner was so cool. He gave us, this is probably where you will learn the most about the making of the show

than I think on probably any other podcast or article that exists right now. We challenge all podcasts and articles to get on our level. And yeah, I mean, Scott Gairdner, he worked with Kyle Mooney and Ben Jones and all these other folks and tells a lot of fun stories about making of it. And yeah, we have so much time, such a good time talking about Saturday morning all-star hits. And you have a week to watch it all at this point. It flies right by. Go do that, please.

And other stuff on the schedule. So the second Monday of April for patrons, we will have a talking futurama episode a lila of her own uh starring the great bob euchre and hank aaron a blurns ball focused episode the last blurns ball mention of any blurns ball and bob did his work on baseball history he really did it took twice as long so please be nice if i get something wrong yes and so in programming notes uh programming news rather we're moving Talking to the Hill. Previously, it was the final Friday of the month, but we're moving it to the third Monday of the month. So in order, it will go, what a cartoon, Talking Futurama, Talking to the Hill, and then what a cartoon movie.

So that's just how it goes if there's four Mondays in a month. And it'll be like that from now on. It just makes sense to have Monday be a content slot, not just some random Friday. Yeah. And if they're in, Hey, you know, as,

as before, if there's five Mondays in a month, well, then the, what a cartoon comes on that fifth Monday. And the fourth Monday is a bi-week. You make your own podcast. How about that?

Send it to me. Or just listen to an old one. Yeah. We've got, we've got a vast catalog and yes, that episode will be a traffic jam. The Chris Rock guest starring King of the Hill episode. It's about, we've got we've got a vast catalog and yes that episode will be a traffic jam the chris rock guest starring king of the hill episode it's about it's about canceling a comedian it's uh it's never been

never been more relevant and or what a cartoon movie for april finally we're getting to it it might be our longest episode ever not recorded yet we'll see it is who framed roger rabbit and in my notes i did not include a question mark because there is no question mark in the title very important a fact about that movie i learned that many many I was when I made the poll for it I was like wait what I yes it was even though grammatically it should have that apparently the trivia story goes it's a mech is just didn't like how the title looked with a question mark on it and I read of it i'm currently reading the book it's based on very loosely uh who censored roger rabbit i'm about halfway through so i'll talk a lot about that on the podcast as well very uh interesting awesome yeah i i watched a helpful video detailing all the differences but i'd love to hear i'm looking forward to your review of it and i am reading a uh book called pulled the rabbit out the Hat. I think it's called about the making of Roger Rabbit.

In addition to all of the other classic making of features, I'm even watching Mickey Mouse's 60th anniversary birthday thing that is kind of a Roger Rabbit sequel. I'm really looking forward to talking about it because it was a formative part of my childhood. I was taken to it at the age of six, and it made me realize cartoons are important, which is why I'm doing this now. And sexy. Oh yeah.

Oh yeah. No, but yeah, I would think we probably wouldn't be, we might not be doing this podcast in a world where Roger, who framed Roger Abbott didn't exist. I don't think we would at all. I'd be an all-star football player. Probably not. Probably not. I'd be a lawyer?

What's that? A lawyer not i'd be a lawyer a lawyer i'd be dead uh so yes and finally in our news uh so we're going to talk about what maze what a cartoon movie poll will be about and we're going to do a simple yes no once again because i want to do toy story 3 there's going to be a snow vote on that we've done one we've done two some of my favorite podcasts i have produced it's going to be fun to do this one because, folks, I rewatched this one last year, and I think it is the weakest one. But I do want to talk about it. I still think it's enjoyable, but not my horse I would bet on in this race, in the Toy Story race. You know, the movie theater across the street from my house, I was sobbing.

Well, I was teared up. I don't want to say like head in my hands. I was puk at that. Well, I was teared up. I don't want to say like a head in my hands, but I was puking with sadness. But I was. It really affected me. But I haven't watched it all the way through in probably seven years. So I'd be interested to see how I feel about it, especially now after having seen Toy Story 4, which is like Toy Story 3 take two. Like, what if they do the last Toy Story again? I want to do Toy Story 4 as well.

My thoughts on that movie is send all of Bonnie's toys to hell. The cast is way too big, and the toys I like don't get enough lines. Well, you know, the Bonnie's toys, they existed to be the cheaper people who could appear in, you know, side content. Boy, hey, you know, if Jeff Garland has been replaced on the Goldbergs, is he not going to be in any future Toyys for the Stars? They'll be at AI doing his voice. But when they do behind-the-scenes footage, they'll put in a CGI Jeff Garland, that disgusting troll. And you know what,

listeners, an extra free preview, you know, where Toy Stories May and we're going to do it again in the summer. Disney Renaissance Summer comes after that. June, July, August will all be Disney Renaissance polls once more. We know you like it. Yeah, we had a good time, too. We haven't done Little Mermaid or Beauty and the Beast and a few others. Mulan. Tarzan.

Even some crappy like Pocahontas. Oh, how could I forget about Pocahontas? Should we count Dinosaur in that, too? Absolutely not. I will not do a podcast about Dinosaur. You can't make me. Okay. Yes. how can i forget about pocahontas yeah and you know should we count dinosaur in that too absolutely not i will not do a podcast about dinosaur you can't make me okay yes then only the good stuff yeah but anyway yeah toy story poll yes or no i think i know how you'll vote but the roger rabbit one was like i think three percent of people voted against roger rabbit it was him that's what the three people said droopy is a major character in all the right droopy's in every roger rabbit it was him that's what the three people said droopy is a major character

and all the right droopy's in every roger rabbit short of the three shorts they made after the movie he's in all three of them which is really surprising mgm uh he was for sale yeah turner was like yeah have him i don't care let's talk about what we've been playing and watching that's not necessarily homework for our shows and yes of course right after our last talk to the audience episode came out Elden Ring came out uh I've had very little time to play I play like one three hour session every week maybe a little more I'm like 20 hours in but uh having a lot of fun with that if you think these games are intimidating I will say that Elden Ring offers the most options for you to push back against the difficulty there they're way more than normal you're not punished more you're not punished at all for dying really in terms of how the last most options for you to push back against the difficulty there. There are way more than normal.

You're not punished more. You're not punished at all for dying really in terms of how the last games did. There's so many multiplayer options to indulge in. And there's always somewhere new to go if one place is too hard. Oh my God. Is there ever like that's something, you know, if you come into with classic souls mindset of like, well,

this is the tube to go down. Like I, I've, I'm just skipping ahead to my elden ring was my big game of the month too and yeah i i when i started that game and it gives you the like well here's the castle key and i started thinking like yeah better keep going forward fighting my way there and that's when you know uh my husband who also was playing it was reminding me of like you can go anywhere else and start leveling

and also like work on stuff. I was like, oh, okay. It's surprisingly big. I've been keeping a notebook for quests and stuff. And like, I'll get to a boss in a little dungeon. I'll be like, this is too hard. And I'll write, come back later in my notebook. Yeah, now I'm at, so I'm 50 hours in

and not to, I don't want to, you know, hey Bob, I played 50 whole hours but let's be nice but but i did i did and uh one of the fun things is that like now i keep thinking like okay primary path really gonna do it today and then my character will take three steps and then i'll look to the left or right and like wait that looks cool and i just leave the primary path to do an entirely different thing uh yeah there's an astounding amount of content in the game it's insane i expect to be playing it all summer really yeah probably into the fall yeah and speaking of big games i'm still playing breath of the wild you know what even uh i'm playing elden ring and breath of the wild side by side and i mean my one like x-men mutant ability is

to be able to switch to a different control scheme instantly like I have I have no problems with it at all and you know what Breath of the Wild even compared to a game five years later that's much more ambitious it's still a lot of fun I defeated all four of the guardians that you fight in the game and I just have Ganon's castle up to do and not a lot of side quests left so I think I'm going to finish it soon and I'm hoping for a Breath of the Wild 2 announcement at e3 this year that'd be amazing are you going to approach the dlc of the breath of the wild i've already done most of it the bits i have left are like really annoying where it's like you have a weapon that kills anything in one hit but you can only

take one hit that's not very fun that's not very fun you know breath of the wild compared to elden ring i would miss the spider-man ability that link has but oppositely it'd be really nice to have a horse with a double jump in that game you know yeah yeah i do so like breath of the wild is so much easier than elden ring but once you play enough breath of the wild it's like okay these are the 10 enemies you'll fight these are like the 20 different set pieces you'll see. In Elden Ring, every couple hours, you'll be like, what the hell is that? What is happening here? What's going on?

Like, I don't know where I am. That's what I hope Breath of the Wild 2 does, like more like what the hell moments. And also a blast from the past because it's been a very busy month for me, making a lot of podcasts, and sometimes I don't feel like playing Elden Ring at night, a very challenging game that stresses me out.

So I've been playing Kirby Triple Deluxe. I just finished it today. The 2014 Kirby game, I missed like 20 years of Kirby games. I'm just like, whatever, they're short and easy. I don't care anymore. It's such a well-made game, and it's so good, and it's on sale for $20 on the eShop. I've also been rewarding Nintendo for taking away the shops by giving them so much money to buy all the games

before they shut things down so yeah i bought i bought triple deluxe i bought planet robo bots i brought i bought a ton of other games but yeah kirby triple deluxe if you slept on it it is like such a well-made game and i had so much fun with it just a nice winding down game that's just difficult enough to uh still be interesting. Yeah, I love that game. I can't remember if I beat it or not when it was new, but I really loved it.

It used the three dimensions. It's almost like it got the memo. It didn't get the memo that like, oh, no, no, no, we don't actually use 3D effects anymore in 3DS games. And it has so many cool 3D things in it. Yeah, I like that one a lot. I think it was my favorite of the many Kirby 3ds games and it has so many cool like 3d things in it yeah i i like that one a lot i think

it was my favorite of the many kirby 3ds games i think it was my favorite i've been going through a real kirby renaissance because uh i'm doing some podcasts in the future about kirby and i bought like every kirby game on the wii u virtual console i bought the ones for 3ds i bought the one for we i i have the kirby in the forgotten world downloaded on my switch it unlocks tonight hell yeah so uh that demo rules like yeah it's that was like an hour long if you if you really get the most out of it yeah it uh i can't wait to play that starting tonight i guess it unlocks i've been really looking forward like oh yeah boy pubs out of town kirby time for me and as far as watching uh it's

been a busy month i have not watched a lot of stuff i watched goodfellas for uh when we recorded bart the murderer earlier this month and yeah like yeah good movie do i need to tell you this absolutely not but yes it's it's a great movie the second time i've seen it the first time i've seen it in hd uh it was great to revisit it no No, it rules. It's like one of the best... What I said on that podcast is it's like one of the most watchable films I've ever seen. Like you can just just turning it on, I'm like, yep, I can just

sit here for three hours or close to it. It's a great movie to soak in and it makes you hungry for Italian food. Man, yeah. You gotta cut the garlic real thin. With that razor blade. Fat Tony does it in prison. And then I watched Last Action Hero for the second time in my life, much like yeah i could go you got to cut the garlic real thin with that razor blade yeah fat tony doesn't imprison uh and then i watched last action hero for the second time in my life much like good fellas and you know what it's like halfway towards being a good movie uh it's too devoted to being a

sincere action movie to make fun of the genre like there's like one thing i'll say about it it's full of really cool action scenes yeah that aren't jokes it's just like here is a sincere action scene in a movie and it like it it goes just it doesn't really go far enough uh and it has what we hate movies calls a disgusting shit boy as the lead like a little little mop headed kid which was basically me in 1994 i seriously had a friend who looked so much like that kid in junior high other people would say like you were in that movie right he's like no I'm not that kid like and that kid his purpose in the movie is to explain all of the jokes to you about action movies where it's like if you just showed me the joke not have the kid say see it's a 555 number those don't exist in

real life I would have got the joke without the little mop-headed kid pointing everything out i did really it my favorite joke in that movie is when they go to a blockbuster and they're like okay i'm gonna go to a blockbuster in a movie what is terminator in this world where arnold schwarzenegger is a character i wanted more of that and also the movie has two premises which is weird but actually actually I like the second premise more the first premises what if a regular kid got transported to an action movie and then they run out of material it's like well what if an action star came into

the real world second premise is better I think yeah they couldn't choose me you know these days it's like the comedy is better and maybe in these types of parodies but the action sucks they don't actually get give you good action at the very least like uh what was it john mctiernan the director of that

was the diehard guy i think so yeah like they could give you good action even if it's like crappy jokes about like jimmy the fart has one last pass him gas or whatever at his funeral oh god yeah uh one thing i laughed at was the classic, My Mighty Heart is Breaking from Bart's what's the name of the episode? The Boy Who Knew Too Much. Yeah. The funny thing is Maria's in the movie, as is the Humvee.

Wow. So, I'll be in the Humvee. They were extra direct in that joke then. Yeah. Magic ticket my ass. And the rules of the magic ticket are very odd, but there there are some funny things in there i also watch i'm gonna pick joe pesci kick yeah what the heck i watched him use you bob he does i think he's a clown oh no i'm being murdered uh i watched my cousin vinny i think i saw parts of it as a kid but i'm like oh it's boring adults talking in a courtroom yeah uh it's very funny outside of like some light prison rape humor in the beginning of the movie uh he's great in it and uh so is marissa tomei she deserved that yeah

she did i was mad at that futurama joke all over again watching her in this movie uh it's really i feel like her last 30 years of work have proven it was not a mistake and she's a good actress it feels like a movie written before law and order existed because the joke is like he does he's he's been to law school but he doesn't know how trials actually function anybody in 1992 has seen enough law and order to realize like well this is the arraignment you say if they're guilty or not guilty and this is how calling a witness works i think we've all internalized that based on television but poor vinny hasn't and that's where the comedy comes from folks also the battle

of vinnie versus you know herman munster you know the courtroom that's fun i you know you mentioning law and order too that's why also cousin vinnie feels like from a different era because this was on our pals citations needed podcast but they talk about how from law and order onward thanks to dick wolf like it used to be every legal show or movie was about, oh, the defense, you're with the defense and defending the defender from the evil police who have the wrong guy. And ever since Law & Order, it's like, no, you're with the cops.

And the cops are right, and they always make the right choice and put the bad guys away. In this case, it's him going up against crooked Southerners. Yeah, these evil Southerners who don't know anything about grit they know all about grits and they don't know they're telling the italians they don't know grits i learned how long you put grits from that movie i you know not i'm not much of a grits guy i'm not i i'm failing my southern roots here not like gotta soak those grits and last thing i watched is uh it's basically my uh during dinner show it's the anime platinum end it's on hulu and guess what folks it's basically my during dinner show it's the anime Platinum End

it's on Hulu and guess what folks it's bad but that's why I like it it's by the Death Note guys so the original comic is from the Death Note guys and it plays out like a parody of Death Note it's kind of a so bad it's good show one thing I like about it is about halfway through the premise

changes and I felt I really felt the hand of the editor saying this isn't working this is your new premise that's going to be the rest of your story and they're just like yes sir based on what based on what i know about manga just like the editor can be like no that guy's got to live or no this is where you're going next with the story and i really felt that it's like no you're not going to make like a sentai fighting show about angels it's going to be a more death note cerebral thing and we're going to find out what's happening in the real world and all this stuff so well you know those same creators gave us the the they gave away all of those secrets yeah other comic bakugan so we know what the what the editors do and how they change things uh it's really bad in a fun way and it

actually ends this week so it's almost all available on hulu if you want to check it out but that's it not a lot of time this month i'm very grateful to be busy but i'm looking forward to a break coming up very soon well i already talked about all my games with bob and the but yeah elden ring rules i'm uh yeah 50 hours in i honestly i can't i don't want to spoil anything for any people but uh i've done some things i've got some runes but i haven't done everything uh i mean achievement wise i think i have like 300 points but that's like what does even that mean i have like one achievement after uh 20 maybe 30 hours it's not very giving with achievements but yes as for what i watched this month uh i was a bit more mainstream of current stuff but so yes

i watched turning red on Disney plus. It was really great. I thought it was really awesome. I mean, yes, I, I also can't believe, I mean,

yes, I can believe, but anybody who says the, like, they don't understand where this movie is about or like, this wasn't made for me. This was made for other people. Like everybody's been a teenager.

Like everybody has been a teenager like everybody has been 13 and grown up and you know felt horny for the first time and also like i feel like if you are an animation nerd who is watching this it's about being a fucking like dork who likes you know anime like this is about and this actually is the first time that really feels like it was uh turning red i liked in the same way when i first saw steven universe i love steven universe because both of them felt like this was finally a show being made by people who grew up watching the same anime and video games that i had and it feels informed by that and then when i read interviews with or watch the documentary on Disney Plus

about the making of it with Domi Shii the the director it just um it confirmed everything I thought I was like oh here she is talking about how she grew up loving Rumiko Takahashi stuff like Rama One Half there I see on her walls she saved her bag from going to the mama ayudo gift shop in the miyazaki museum in tokyo that i also saved like i i knew her as a real fan and so uh not that she has to like prove to me she's a real fan like to make this thing but uh knowing that was the drive behind the movie like it it made it really interesting to me i mean the concept too feels like something straight out of like takahashi meets miyazaki as well kind of thing i'm looking forward to seeing it when it was revealed my one issue was uh they made red pandas less cute than they are in real life because i'm i'm a real big red panda fan my

wife and i send each other pictures of red pandas we have our favorite instagram accounts we have our favorite pandas i like jazz at the kobe zoo we're gonna go see him when we can go to japan he's the cutest red panda but it should be at least as cute as a real red panda but it's not well that's my problem they kind of want to make her awkward and weird and have it be like you know it is it is a metaphor for for uh growing up but i also saw that, I mean, I don't relate to this, but I saw someone post this on Twitter, just like, oh, yeah, this is every person of color's fantasy that their parent will actually apologize.

Yeah, look, yeah. I don't want to spoil everything, but when things move in a certain direction. It has a happy ending that makes you cry. Yes, yeah, it does have that. But I was like, by comparison, okay, I'll compare it to to this and yes this is another asian thing i'm comparing it to but in crazy rich asians which i felt worshipped money way too much and it wasn't very it wasn't particularly um critical of class or anything like that but one thing i really liked was that when

in that movie they meet the wise old grandma, the wise old grandma actually is like very closed-minded and sucks. Like you keep it because I was expecting, oh, the wise old grandma, like they usually make her a good person and that stuff, even though that's not always the case with people's grandparents. And I felt more conflicted about the next generation. And it is about generational trauma, Bob. That's what everything is. Overcoming it?

Yes. Processing it? Okay. But also, hey, it's about 2002 and having fun in Toronto. I like that angle of it for sure. Also, I saw the Batman. It's good. It's good.

I see people calling it the best Batman movie. I'm like, I don't think about that, but it could be, I have seen the story of the Batman so many times and I know every comic they're taking from, and I can just point it like, all right, that's from that one.

That's from that one. That's from that. I might end up seeing it if my wife wants to see it. I don't know about sitting in a theater for three hours, although I did see drive my car for three hours. Yeah. You know, and this is probably more exciting, although I did see Drive My Car for three hours and this is probably more exciting although I did enjoy that movie

Batman dramatically walks upstairs in the start of Batman now I the Batman I thought was pretty good of course it's worshipful of cops but that's every Batman movie like why wouldn't it be and Robert Pattinson is a quality Batman Zoe Kravitz is

a good Catwoman. And even Colin Farrell as the Penguin is pretty good. And yeah, it's a good, it's a good, it's a really good Batman movie. I wouldn't say it's better than The Dark Knight or Mask of the Phantasm, but is it the third best Batman movie? Maybe.

Batman Returns, come on, give it up yeah i mean people promise i was promised that it was as horny like it was oh horny superhero movies are back mcu is sexless but the batman is sexy it is certainly sexier than any marvel movie but it has it can't compare to the sexuality of batman returns you know that's that's just he just can't and they're making more with him are they making more with pattinson yeah i think he's he's signed on for more they're definitely well first next year is going to be the gotham pd television show while streaming series on hbo max that's the next one and i guess by the end of this year is that bruce tim batman thing that matt Reeves is also producing but as for other TV shows been watching

catching up on Atlanta it's a really good show I'm glad I'm finally watching it full of great actors and it's a really interesting stories there was an episode about trans people I didn't particularly agree with but you know is it an older episode I mean yeah it's from like four or five years ago yeah

but yeah and then also that show comedy bang bang the I mean, yeah, it's from like four or five years ago. Yeah. But yeah. And then also that show Comedy Bang Bang, the TV show I really love. It's on Tubi now. Like just pull it up. Give it a watch. Every episode is great. It ended up on Tubi? Yes. As is the Birthday Boys show.

Both seasons of that are now on Tubi to watch with ads. I mean, I don't want ads, but. Also, there's official. It's also on Plex. If you have the Plex app, it's just like, hey, watch it on Plex. Like, Tubi stuff is just on Plex now.

I want it to be places that I already have access to. Plex isn't just for pirated content anymore, Bob. It's actually legit? It's legitimate Plex content. Wow, interesting. That's where all the Roku shows

are going to end up soon. And Mystery science theater 3000 season 13 is getting started i uh as for part of the kickstarter you got to watch the first episode early and it was good it was the uh a new santo movie they did santo i think it was it was a live stream right it was okay yes i couldn't so i paid for the kickstarter i got access to the gizmo plex but i couldn't find the stream uh after it went live so i pirated it basically just to watch it and uh it was interesting uh i think it's better than that than the netflix ones in terms of the jokes in the theater uh this may make me unpopular with people but i don't like felicia day in this at all she's got some real uh theater kid energy

that i don't like in my mystery science theater sure but you know uh after pat noswald she's the most famous person in it yeah yeah some fame i yeah well hey you barely see her you know that's that but yeah i i don't love her in it but it was funny hearing the behind the scenes on it of how like it is an hd film they did and it was uh you know the santo that santo film it's santo versus dracula and in that one they did a kid's version for mexico that most people had seen and then there was a european sexy version that has like naked women in it and that was re-released in like a 1080p remaster Mystery Science Theater got their hands on that version and then chopped out all of

the boobs so yeah based on what I've seen of the riff I watched like 10 minutes of it it's like they're always improving after the Netflix stuff started so the first Netflix season for me it's hard to watch because it just feels like they're reading these riffs out of context breathlessly yeah and it feels

like just guys slow down it doesn't feel like they're reacting to the movie. In the second set of episodes, it did feel like it. And now it feels as natural as it did in the cable TV days. I don't know how much they've changed the process. It does feel like they're actually sitting in front of a green screen and looking at their notes. It does feel more relaxed and natural, yes. I agree with that first episode. And two more quick things I want to mention.

The YouTube channel Cartoonist Kayfabe, I think I mentioned them before, but they have some really cool stuff this last month. They did a really neat one about Matt Groening's advertorial he did for Apple Computers in 1989, right before the series debuted. And their thing is they're comic historians but they're also comic artists and they know a lot about the inner workings like business wise about

being an independent comic artist so it's not just hearing them go like this was when this was published here we are looking at this rare comic and they you can pause at any time and they go like oh that's just millhouse he just drew millhouse in this scene or whatever oh yeah there's like literally millhouse exists yeah in some of the art but but also they say like oh i bet he got paid this much for it and hey there's this lost poster cost this much if you want to get it on ebay it's uh i learned a whole lot and they promise to be doing more life in hell in the future so i'm looking forward to that and uh and lastly one more thing I enjoyed this month was the JLA Avengers re-release uh benefiting the Heroes Initiative charity uh if you're a comic super fan you probably know about George Perez uh who is maybe the best superhero comic artist of the last 40 years. And sadly, right now, he has pancreatic cancer,

not looking great. But his comic, one of his masterpieces is the JLA Avengers comic, where it is the ultimate crossover, the best crossover of Marvel and DC stuff there ever was. Every character meets every character in it. But it was out of print for 15 years because Marvel and DC hate each other and didn't want to publish more of it together.

And only because everybody loves George Perez so much and wants to support his charity of choice, they allowed 7,000 new copies to be published and it might be the last time it's ever published until until marvel buys dc i would guess or disney buys dc until then and so it's all going to charity the money so yes the proceeds of buying the comic that all goes to the charity i got a copy of it uh that i bought at a much higher than retail price but all of that also went to charity i wasn't just paying off a scalper on ebay so and yeah if uh i i was gonna buy it from a local shop but they were like oh we're gonna do an auction later

to sell off the two copies we got and that's all going to the heroes initiative charity as well and the hero initiative charity by the way is one of those charities that like it's amazing that it exists and it does great work it also simply should not exist because heroes initiative is one of perez's perez's favorite charities it is exists to help the elderly and poor creators of comics who end up penniless because their companies like Marvel and DC ripped them the fuck off. It's like an old actor's home in the 70s. It is. And it needs to exist because these people die in poverty. They have no health care.

They were freelance. And I'm glad it's getting money. But every time I've given a hero initiative, I also just feel so much rage of just like, Marvel and DC alone should be giving this like $200 million a year to pay these people, but of course they're not going to, and it angers me. But anyway, it was really great to appreciate

George Perez's work one more time in the JLA Avengers collection, and yeah, it's bittersweet too that it got back in print. But if you are a super fan who never had the old collections or the original copies of them and you wanted to check, don't just buy it off some scalper who's selling it for $500 on eBay and it all goes to him please look into people selling it where the profit goes to uh to actual charities now are you going to like encase it in lucite what are your plans for this book i mean i actually do plan to like frame it okay picture

box frame because i already have my original copies of the first four of all four issues of it so one of them i believe i even got signed by him but so i don't really need to like flip through it though there is like a new intro written by the writer kurt music so i might give that a read but yeah no i i'm just gonna keep it pristine just to just to remember and my husband's an even bigger fan of george perez than me he has an original piece of art by him and like he he drew my my husband's favorite superhero is x-men's the beast his name's henry to the beast oh but and that's right he's right there he's right there i'm looking at the sell henry's wall and the best artist to

ever draw the beast hank mccoy is george perez and he got a piece of art by him on that so anyway that's that's what I did this last month okie doke let's move on to comments and questions we're gonna start with Talking Simpsons the first episode is Treehouse of Horror 12 and Christmas Ape says while I remember the first two segments of this treehouse just fine for whatever reason I forgot that the Harry Potter parody was in this one maybe it was because I missed that part the first time I saw it it's also possible that I thought there was no way they didn't extend it Harry Potter parody was in this one. Maybe it was because I missed that part the first time I saw it. It's also possible that I thought there was no way they didn't extend a Harry Potter riff before the movie came out. Usually their Treehouse parodies are a few years behind.

I mean, the last time I saw a new Treehouse of Horror on TV, they were doing a Coraline parody close to 10 years after that movie came out. Kudos to them for being ahead of the curve that time, although it probably led to the segment having so many nonspecific jokes. And yeah, I think we came down to the argument that we're not against them doing it but they didn't have the confidence that people would get it so it's just a bunch of like generic wizard humor yeah just like general magic humor they didn't trust uh and because they didn't have the movies to go by they could they couldn't get specific in the way that of trusting that uh

readers would know it but uh yeah it's it's easy to forget that one was actually right before the release of the first harry potter movie which harry potter was in the uh conversation lately too because that uh youtuber sean did a really great uh breakdown of the harry potter books and jk rowling is still out there saying stuff. Oh, she's not going to stop, Bob. You can't silence her, you know? That's what I want, though. No one's going to tell her she's wrong.

But yeah, the Sean video is great. He barely even touches on her obvious transphobia. But his main point is like, oh, after actually finally reading these books, they are way meaner than i remember and how like cruel and all this he's like oh yeah they cut this shit out of the movies because it was like mean as hell and and defending slavery well you know one piece is soon going to pass harry potter in terms of books sold so thank god screw her yeah luffy uh you know know, he hasn't been canceled yet. Not yet. Also on that episode, Sarah says, I have a shockingly relevant story about garbage disposals since they came up.

Or garbadors, as they're called in Canada, right? Garbarators. Garbarators. A garbador is a man who fights a garbage disposal. I've only ever lived in one place with a sink disposal and i was always terrified of dropping something down and destroying it one day it completely stopped and i had to dismantle it to figure out what was going on it was disgusting and awkward and what i finally proud and what i finally pried out of the blades was my partner's enamel pin of Marge as a witch from season nine.

It was so absurd, and I will forever associate Treehouse episodes with it. So, yeah. Oh, man. An enamel pin will screw up your garbage disposal. God, I was thinking of the noises it would make. I'm looking forward to this new world of appliances when I move. I'm living in a 100-year-old building now, and I'm just imagining, like,

imagine what if there was more than one outlet in every room, and those outlets had three holes. Three-hole plurals. Could you imagine that? You know, my garbage disposal, the last thing that got stuck in it was a tiny spoon. You've got to stop freebasing. I keep saying it.

But I didn't have to clean it up myself. I could just call for a stern. I called stern lecture landlord who gave me of like, Hey, you know what? You might have to pay your $500. You'll lose your deposit. You had to call a spoon man.

Yeah. The old spoon man. Counting crows taught us all about him. Moving on to stark raving dead, a fun episode to do that was uh obligatory and i think we had we had a fun discussion well not fun let me split it again we had a uh productive discussion yeah and nathan raymond was a great guest for it it was almost worth it uh if you write the word michael jackson on twitter you're gonna have to mute a lot of accounts uh and it's uh no fun it

is it's not fun uh so batman boy 11 says i don't think i've watched this episode since the podcast originally covered it back in 2016 and whoa boy was it much more uncomfortable this time and even more so after you guys really dug into how creepily it mirrors jackson in real life grooming while this by no means is a piece of lost media and i can't really disagree with the wishes of those involved like aljean i do still wish stuff like this would come with some kind of introductory stuff about its issues rather than just being swept away and ignored but still available without context if you look for it and uh i mean yeah that was my opinion going into the episode again where it's like oh yeah yeah act three is like uh the the michael jackson grooming pr machine yeah and it's gross

it's really gross like every time bart says like oh i love you michael jackson grooming pr machine yeah and it's gross it's really gross like every time bart says like oh i love you michael jackson is just like yuck like but that you know the best i have seen other people say like oh this swept away and ignore thing is it shouldn't do that and the only amenable argument i've read about that is and i still agree of like that shouldn't be on disney plus kids shouldn't see this but uh. But is that one bad part about it being swept away and ignored as chosen by the creators of the episode is that it allows people to pretend they didn't help Michael Jackson

or weren't part of the Michael Jackson machine then. I had this same feeling. I didn't say it on the episode, but a frustrating thing with Leaving Neverland was that right after it they put out a you know a further conversation about it with the the two men and the director as well and it was hosted by Oprah and Oprah you know is she I believe is a survivor of child abuse as well and she had the audience was entirely people who have also come out with their own stories about being groomed and and getting over that everything and i was like wow that's very important but not once in that did oprah talk about how she was a platform

for michael jackson to defend himself more than once about these accusations yeah she had like the michael jackson I'm normal hour. Exactly. Like a lot of people had. And I feel like if you were part of that machine. You should. And if you then make a thing later. About like boy.

I didn't know this about Michael Jackson. It's like I feel like you should at least. Admit that like you profited off of that machine then. And you at least talk to it. You know that. I don't like that Disney gets to to pretend like well i mean yeah we did work with him on captain eo and spend millions of dollars on it i mean yeah but not now it's just interesting on that commentary from 20 years ago uh where it was just said matter of factly it's like oh yeah and he wanted to stay

up all night with bart he wanted to write that in anyways like moving on like well wait wait wait there was like the trial in 93. You didn't think twice about that after it happened? Yeah, even after that happened. Like, they recorded that before his 03 trial. But still, it's like, guys, come on. Come on, man. But in happier news on that episode, Nina Matsumoto had to say,

I've come here in defense of stationary sets as a great gift for a thoughtful, creative young girl like Lisa. A nice blank journal, pens and paper, pens and pencils, cute erasers. I went nuts for those as a Lisa-type girl myself. I had plenty of elementary school friends who felt the same. And I still love stationary to this day. Not every kid covets bikes. Well, I know what someone's getting for their anniversary. Yeah, she's telling you. journal and pens and paper set lots of lots of stickers you know what we were wrong to be so dismissive of lisa going like i got for my birthday in that

episode i also you know it reminds me again of turning red because the the main character maylin and it she really prizes uh her journal and then pen and pencil set that she uses to start growing as an artist as well and so actually a journal like lisa's is a pivotal plot point at about the 20 minute mark in the movie we're learning about women today uh and yeah i but i appreciate nina letting us know that like we we had a very male stance on uh a blank paper whoop-dee-doo where's super mario brothers maybe if it was a hover bike it'd be better than stationary uh let's move on to the parent rap uh fellow podcaster drew mackie says i wonder how many people my age got to boC, Blue Oyster Cult, because of Scream. There is a sexy acoustic cover of Don't Fear the Reaper that plays during a scene with Neve Campbell and Skeet Ulrich.

And my obsessive Scream fandom led me to discover that it was another reference to Halloween where it's also played. They played my county fair in high school and me and other nerds knew them from that. By the way, Burning For You is another song of theirs. It may be their greatest jam. And in the notes here, Henry, I have a link to the Don't Fear The Reaper cover by Gus. Let me give this a listen here. So come on, baby.

Take my hand. We'll be able to fly baby i'm your man okay that's like uh teenage makeup music which is definitely why i was in that scene no that's i mean that's perfect music for a creepy guy like skeet to try to have sex with his virginal girlfriend yeah it's uh man that really took me back because i had that soundtrack i listened to it a million times uh that song though wasn't my my favorite the uh the red right hand song oh no whisper to a screen by soho man i gotta hear that real quick it's also a cover the uh the we are we are we are we're just children that's a

good one i yeah my scream fandom has also been reignited uh the uh much like bruise lately about thanks to the release of the new scream which i haven't watched yet uh even though it's i think on hbo max or so i thought i thought you did see Five Cream. I saw four. I saw Scraform. Scraform. But I haven't yet seen Five Cream. Five Cream. Yeah.

Soon I will. But that's another of those like waiting for the break kind of thing I'm going to do. Now, this weekend, I got to watch the Oscar. I want to at least watch West Side Story and or drive my car before the oscars ceremony this weekend so listeners we're recording this before the oscars we don't know on what you need a solid day for that yes yeah my husband was like wait how long is drive my car i was like uh there it is on hbo max it says three hours he's like oh no it's almost as long as endgame uh but but it doesn't have the hulk in it or does it you haven't seen it you know what

you're right okay so albert scoglund also said on that episode with a lot of expert from saying that uh he had been an intern on both maury and the people's court so he knows a lot about productions like judge judy and i recently heard that maury is finally stepping down. I saw that too, man. To spend some time with the Chunkster. And that's Connie Chung. Who's going to take over paternity testing for daytime TV? The States. I wonder what it was like 16 or whatever years ago when Maury decided his show would only be that.

I'm sure it had to be his biggest ratings every time he did a paternity test. It made his job a lot easier where it's like, I'll announce the results. You'll dance around and do some comedy break dancing. And then there'll be a small fight. Like he just turned into Springer. Yeah, yeah. He gave up on any, if he ever thought he was a real journalist, he gave up on that a long time ago. But so Albert Scoglin continues.

As far as how they find cases for the show every small claims court case becomes public record so they would search through for cases of people with the same last name like family members suing each other or anything with a juicy story the show would pay their travel expenses to new york city put them up in a hotel and give them some spending money while they were in town the shows also pay out the judgments that's decided at the end, and small claims court is $5,000 max in most states, so most people go on the show because they can't afford it and are so passionate that they are right. That's entertainment.

And, yep, that's, I mean, that's an easy recipe for daytime television, like endless daytime television. America is full of jerks who all think they're right, and it's just fun to watch them on TV go like, no, I'm right about this car loan payment or whatever. And they all come very cheap. It's funny, too. Right after this, I heard about two old pro wrestlers were just on the judge Steve Harvey show it was it was Kevin Sullivan and JJ Dillon who have not been like pro wrestlers since like 1996 and one owed the other

seven thousand dollars in a boat loan thing a boat loan and so it was Steve Harvey but I believe in the clips I saw Steve Harvey wasn't even treating him as like you used to be on TV as wrestlers he's just like you guys are two old guys well I I feel like this guy owes the other guy seven thousand dollars Steve Harvey not aware of the wrestling world uh I would guess uh you know yeah I can't think of any time Steve Harvey's intersected with it there's still time there's still time so up next uh Mr. Lisa goes to Washington hot off the presses these comments and Locker says uh Taft did not get stuck in the bathtub. Despite the prevalence of that myth, he did have to get custom tubs made for his size. But the first mention of quote unquote Taft getting stuck didn't come up until two days,

two decades after his presidency, when a White House usher wrote a memoir. This White House usher telling stories out of school here. And you know what uh someone else in the comments mentioned that taft actually lost a lot of weight when he became a supreme court justice now that was back in the day when you did stuff after being a president you didn't just go on like uh whatever the the the more expensive patreon master class and teach classes about perseverance and uh other qualities or taft didn't give speeches to like oil companies or whatever about leadership you know hey it's unfair to bring that up i've heard yeah it's a you know what

everybody does it but actually taft didn't do that and instead i i didn't know about his uh supreme court glow up as well and uh in supreme court's all over the news today as soon to be Supreme Court Justice Jackson is being given every racist dog whistle question in the world or also being asked like, well, what do you think about a trans person? Yeah, I've been not watching, keeping an eye on that news. It's the stupidest shit in the world if it's if you're not seeing just like a racist dog whistle question after her you then get to see just a very very old patrick leahy going like i think that's good what are you my granddaughter uh also uh joe hodgson says on that episode i have come to defend that which is the most succulent of loaves the meatloaf a properly prepared meat loaf is not just a lump of ground beef but more like a traditional italian meatball made into a meal ketchup is not a suitable topping for a good meatloaf a red tomato based sauce is fine but also

but also something closer to a barbecue sauce is pretty good maybe Maybe it's my Irish lineage, but I also like just a brown gravy, some mashed potatoes and a vegetable, and I'm good to go. It's a good comfort food in the Northeast during winter months, though I probably only have it two or three times a year. And yeah, there was a lot of pro meatloaf discussion. Meatloaf debate.

Now listen, I grew up in an upper, lower middle class household and 80% of my meals were ground chuck based so if i never see it again in my life it'll be too soon just like the cheapest uh most prevalent meat you can just throw in anything and just add add add calories to your meal yeah i mean beef it beef it up no pun intended uh with some other junk around the you know two dollars of chuck you got or three. You know what?

I'm not, I pretty much cut beef out of my life at this point. I have that like two times a year. But when I have like ground turkey or ground pork, honestly, I have like four other recipes I would do with it before I'd make a meatloaf. I mean, for one thing, I would just make some good-ass Italian meatballs with it and not dry it out in a loaf pan. i'd rather just have some succulent balls spherical yeah on the side but but yeah also our pal maddie cop as well uh defended was defending meatloaf in the chat i are in there in the replies i i'm not as negative on meatloaf as Bob, but I also I it's it's very low rank for me.

And it's an easy one to make poorly as well and done badly. But I I don't begrudge the, you know. The very likely American moms who have had to make a meatloaf to just be like, I just got to make something I can just leave in the oven for an hour. I don't I don't blame my mother, but I think she's the reason why i don't need to meet anymore we ate enough in our youths yeah it's true i'm full of cancer uh moving on uh for what a cartoon comments actually no we're one of cartoon comments we've got south park bigger longer and uncut and uh dan vincent says the windows 98 scene is a specific riff on a very public failure of a beta demonstration of windows 98 bill gates was on stage with one of his assistants chris caposella at the spring

comdex 98 they are demonstrating windows 98's new usb plug and play features and when caposella plugged a scanner into the computer it blue screened spectacularly when loading the drivers so classic classic wind blows ah that's right yeah i've seen many a gif of that man to think of now like we just take for granted if if something isn't recognized the instant i plug a usb thing into a computer i'm like what the fuck is going on it's the end of the world uh and like windows is fine it's fine i use both os's and i don't have a preference anymore i I still can't believe they did a joke in it

where a character shoots Bill Gates in the face. Like you could, that's the difference between 90s mean comedy and now among many others. Harry Thornton also says about that film,

which everybody loved that episode. We had a ton of new signups. So welcome to all the folks who came for South Park. Stick around. We've got lots of great stuff. But Harry Thornton says that Hide It's a Musical marketing scheme also happened with another R-rated musical, Tim Burton's adaptation of Sweeney Todd, The Demon Barber of Fleet Street.

Funnily enough, that was also a co-distribution deal of Paramount in the U.S. and Warner Brothers internationally. Even after the South Park movie, Moulin Rouge, Chicago, etc., they were so skittish about it being a musical, they hid the fact in the advertising. There are stories of people walking out when they realized it had songs in it. And my favorite work of Mark Shaman is, of all things, the score and songs he did for Mary Poppins Return.

It's not talked about much, but it's amazing how he nailed that old-fashioned 60s style of composing something that i rarely see in films these days he really did the sherman brothers and erwin costal justice i've you know i still haven't given that mary poppins returns a chance it was that was kind of a wit it it certainly wasn't a big hit for disney that they thought it would be it made i'm looking at it now and this is surprising it made like 350 million dollars wow man i guess that's small time compared to like eternals or whatever but i guess just watch the scene where like 90 plus year old uh dick van dyke is dancing around yeah that's probably impressive but yeah you know i saw that sweeney

todd movie in theaters and i do think it was and of, I knew it was an adaptation of a musical, so it had songs in it. But I can see why back then it's like, no, it's a movie that stars Johnny Depp. We don't want the people who go to see a Johnny Depp movie back then to be scared off because of a song. They don't want to see Johnny Depp singing. They want to see him as like, oh, Johnny Depp plays like a guy who kills people when he's a barber. Cool dude. Not Johnny Depp singing about how Fleet Street is my city or whatever. I do want to see that one eventually.

I'm more willing to go back to newer Depp. By newer, I mean anything after Sleepy Hollow. You know, I'd rather watch a filmed version of the stage play or see a staged version of it because, you know, just like it's not as bad as I would definitely say to people. Never watch the Disney version, a live action adaptation of Into the Woods. You have to see the real Sondheim version of it but you owe it to the the soul of steven sondheim to please see the staged production of these before you see the movie versions and you will get wet yeah uh moving on we did berserk uh there's not a lot of comments on that but i really enjoyed doing it check that episode out if you haven't if you don't if you don't know what berserk is i think we explained

it enough that you'll want to get into berserk you'll become a berserk guy you'll think your guts too berserk is great especially hey if you're enjoying elven ring right now read berserk you're I think we explained it enough that you'll want to get into Berserk. You'll become a Berserk guy. You'll think your guts too. Berserk is great, especially, hey, if you're enjoying Elden Ring right now, read Berserk. You're like, oh, that's what this is. Yeah. I'm so glad we did all that Berserk stuff right before Elden Ring. Yes. Berserk is a great show.

Please check out our episode about it. Moving on to Talking Futurama, I Dated a Robot. Michael Bentley says, first, Bad Religion actually had four songs in the Crazy Taxi original soundtrack, although one is just a loop for the character select screen and the other appears over the credits. Second, it is possible to get good at Crazy Taxi and have long runs. However, this mostly relies on using the limit cut to give you a boost.

Arcade owners could turn this off, and thus it was very hard in most arcades to play for more than five or ten minutes. But you can do this on Dreamcast. You can get runs of an hour plus if you're good enough and uh i was not clearly no me neither and none of my none of my pals were either i think certainly my little younger brother he lasted longer in crazy taxi runs than i would usually but no i never knew anybody to get to an hour run i'm i'm certain there are you know uh great players out there i can watch a

stream of like the longest running crazy taxi and a record making one but and you pointed out henry like later that year uh it started the trend that like every open world game with a car had crazy taxi in it yes so no need for crazy taxi anymore they'll make two more games but that's right yeah it's like oh there's still who needs crazy taxi when it's just a mission in uh yeah grand theft auto for instance yes uh also on that podcast joe hodgson says what sucks about napster now is what it did and did not change about the music industry before napster you had record companies and producers controlling everything and making money hand over fist. When I buy music, I want the artist to profit, not David Geffen. And now it seems the current system has only shifted it even more in favor of the controlling parties.

The industry is less profitable than it was, but Spotify is making all the money and it seems only legacy acts are the ones making tons of money these days because they still have enough clout to dictate their own terms. Or in the case of Bob Dylanylan they're just cashing out when it comes to the entertainment industry it seems artists are always getting the short end and the suits who profit and it's the suits who profit the most which yeah ironic it's just uh man it must be an accident that keeps happening with uh younger generations get less money than the last one it's sad that like uh napster didn't the only thing it upset was the ability of some artists to make money

but the way they did before but it's like yeah they don't david geffen was just pissed that he or the david geffens of the world were pissed they weren't making money the same way they used to but they found a new way to make the all the money they had to learn a new thing i feel bad for them i feel you know it it is weird to me like bob dylan and bruce springsteen have both recently sold off their entire catalogs i feel like they just went like hey i don't want to leave it to my estate to figure out how to deal with this i'll just take the big big payoff right now and just to have like literally close to a billion dollars for myself well springsteen is now like barack obama's best friend they gotta like build a treehouse and stuff it's like there's no time to make money off of music anymore i mean he's been invited to the illuminati

kidding kidding but yeah i mean that spotify thing too it's just uh yeah they're they're the only people who make any money off of music if you're a new musician or say podcaster you're not making money off of spotify absolutely not that money's not for you that's for a guy who never writes music or never makes podcasts our podcasts are on spotify right yeah hey you might be listening to it on spotify right now we don't get any money from them no i mean yeah just hey we get exposure the thing that's worth the most yes it really is our last set of comments for the Talking in the Hill episode. I remember Mono and Robert Flaxman says, So if Hank and Peggy were 17 in 1975 and this episode aired in 1998,

Hank and Peggy are canonically 40, a.k.a. the age all of us 1982 babies turn this year. Yikes. Also, the bit with the fake movie reminded me of a runner. In the following years, being John Malkovich, where the characters kept alluding to Malkovich's role in that jewel thief movie which was also made up so yeah king of the hill they arrived at that joke first yes they did yeah i i love that jewel thief movie joke in it though that you just imagine like yeah well because being john malkovich after the film existed people

could just say yeah you know being john malkovich but john malkovich uh was one of those character actors that most people who aren't movie nerds would go like he was like that guy in the thing or whatever i i certainly didn't know who he was until the movie came out uh no i mean i had to be told like oh you i had seen dangerous liaisons and i had a friend who really loved his he's been in dangerous liaisons which honestly should have been my tip off. That friend was kind of a sociopath. He's like, yeah, the lead guy in Dangerous Liaisons, that's a cool dude. Like, whoa, wait a minute. How do you feel about American Psycho?

You know, he liked it as well. I see. But not in the like cool business guy way, but just he did enjoy it. Yeah. And also, yes, Hank and Peggy, they are our age. That is how it is they're boring 40 year olds but you know what uh 40 is a new 30 uh it will be as soon as I turn 40 next month hey and I'm with you there too it's a new 30 uh it's also the new 30 in that you

obviously have to work the same as you did when you were 30 oh absolutely there are no breaks and you don't own a house just like when you were 30 it turns out uh 80 is a new 32 uh oh sorry one more one more question here and kat hayberg is our final commenter for the month on talking of the hill saying yesterday yesterday when i described myself as tiny bemoaning the fact that i couldn't reach most selves and that my feet couldn't touch the floor and chairs because the world is made for the tall my friend said you're not that short it's not like you're carrie strug at that time it felt like a very deep cut yes I guess I mean it's a deep cut of like making a short joke about a friend saying carrie strug is uh yeah that's pretty deep carrie strug is four foot eight that's you know not tall no no uh my four foot eight. That's, you know, not tall.

No, no. My, my wife towers over her. Yeah. By like five inches. You know, you and I are both the tall ones in our relationships. That's true.

Yeah. No, whenever, so I mean, because we're living apart right now because of the border stuff. Whenever I see my wife, Nina, I'm always surprised by how short she is initially.

Like really? She's, she's really that short. Okay. All right. I think I remember this, you know, also on initially. Like, really? She's really that short. Okay. All right. I think I remember this. You know, also on that Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington, though, I was again thinking of the things I'm jealous of the less tall.

People were talking about our Discord of, well, yeah. Could you imagine opening a laptop on an airplane now in your seats? But if you are a less tall person if you're under five feet you probably can just open up your laptop in front of you every part of air travel is uncomfortable if you're taller than like five foot seven yeah i would say yep uh and hey i just i just bought my tickets to go to vancouver i'm finally visiting vancouver soon you'll never want to leave just like me uh it seems it sounds like a nice place i look forward to seeing that olympic village and seeing where the olympics still there they paid for it but yeah thanks

for listening to another episode of talk to the audience we've got a really fun april coming up again it's uh we've been building to this for our entire podcast network we're going to be covering who framed roger rabbit at the end of april you need to be on the ten dollar level to listen to that and also king of the hill is uh sorry talking of the hill is moving to the third monday of the month from here on out so a lot of monday content a lot of wednesday content it's easy to find don't forget to vote in that toy story 3 poll as well and also look forward to that saturday morning all-star hits about school with scott gairdner he was so much fun to chat with yeah so to look forward to watching that just watch it all on netflix if you're having a please please give it a watch please i tried to do it okay i'm spitting everywhere now you're making people sick all right sorry sorry so yes thanks again for listening folks see you again next month

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