Talking Simpsons - Talk to the Audience?!? - May 2022

Episode Date: June 1, 2022

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I heartily endorse this event or product. still in search of that Simpsons crew jacket one day I'll have one who's here with me today it's Henry Gilbert and I was tempted to pay $700 for one on a on an eBay recently but yes welcome to another episode of our community podcast in case you don't know this episode talk to the audience goes live at the end of every month for every for our patrons at the beginning of every month for everyone on the free feed and what we do in this podcast we talk about what's happening in the Simpsons world what's happening in our world and then we respond to your questions and comments the most recent round of episodes and uh it's going to be a long one folks because we recorded the last one very early and a lot has happened in the world of simpsons since uh late april ish yes meanwhile if you're hearing this on the

patreon we recorded this one day before you heard this so uh we'll rip from the headlines off the presses yeah we have thoughts even up to the most recent season finale of the simpsons which just aired but it's been a busy month in simpsons world it really has been yeah because uh we uh we both went to canada i was there for longer that's right yeah once i came back i hit the ground running with toy story 3 movie uh podcast research and then the other day i was like i can catch up with the new Simpsons. And I looked, oh, five new episodes aired since I got back. That's the main sweep. Or since I was gone.

Well, yeah, like you mentioned, since listening, since you last heard our community podcast, yes, I've been to Canada for the first time for Bob's reception, I guess you'd call it, or just a wedding party. Wedding party, sure. It was a great slash birthday-ish party sure it was a great uh slash birthday ish party it was a lot of fun it is in canada nice oh man was it nice i was i was in vancouver at a truly beautiful time like the the cherry blossoms were everywhere like i where i was staying i was surrounded by like eight blocks of just cherry blossoms that i just walk by every

morning and just take pictures of like oh my god it, it's gorgeous. You don't have to go to Japan. It doesn't matter that they won't let us in. And hey, there were multiple Japanese curry places there that were as good as I'd had in Japan. Great food there. I recommend Vancouver. It was wonderful. It won't be my last time there. The only tense part of it for me was just that hour waiting at the airport of like well i better get that negative test or else i'm staying here and i guess that's kind of over now too or soon they won't even need you to test i hope not i think you don't need a test to get in anymore but you need to test to fly back into america yes yeah yeah that's on joe biden because uh well because we got to keep all those dirty foreigners out with their covid we can

spread covid everywhere but if you're outside these borders, you might bring it to us. No foreign COVID. That's fucking, yeah. Again, it feels like everywhere in America, even in Berkeley, everybody's just like, I don't care anymore. It's just mass are over. And yet we still have these border laws on visitors to America. It's like, which way do you want it?

Do we all want to get COVID or do you want to keep out the found people a viable excuse to be racist yeah i hate it a plausible excuse i guess uh but yeah we have a lot to go over simpsons news a lot has been happening in the past five weeks since we last recorded this uh talk to the audience series and first news item is a music editor of the show chris ledesma he was there since the very first episode so 33 years he has retired from the show at the end of this production season so that's it for him and yeah he was there uh as long as al jean was but he didn't take a break in the middle yeah he never stopped he was there the whole time uh they mentioned him on so many commentaries just like a cool dude they like to work with and that he remembers everything and that he like

saved some of the i believe they credit him for saving some of the deleted scenes that ended up on on dvds his name comes up a lot on the commentaries because all the show workers work really closely with him yeah i mean he's the guy you say like cut that or cut this and he's just catching all of the things and especially since their music has been more canned the last few years or like library style i feel like the music editor matters even more than i uh you know it just mentions that he's retiring it doesn't say who uh at least in matt selman's tweet about it wishing him a happy retirement it doesn't say who's taking over but uh the the cake they got him looked very nice it was uh very nice and he, Selman saying he's going to miss all of his early, his first in the morning

like notes list on all of the edits there. So happy trails to Chris Ledesma. And it feels like a million years ago, but there was a new short on Disney Plus. Billie Eilish was in it and I watched it and it was all right. But I will say I rarely do the, oh, they reuse their own jokes before because, you know, you just get into the same patterns you like you make the same homer stupid jokes but there's a joke in this or like a montage in this that reminds me of a montage from both uh colonel homer and round springfield

it's something is playing on the radio and we're cutting all around town to see how the music is soothing everyone so this is like the third time I can remember they did that and I was like oh I wish they would have known they had done this before. Yeah, it is especially the round Springfield one because it's like sax music even. Yeah. Yeah. Though I guess they do fun animation of like physical musical notes touching people or whatever.

But yeah, that, you know, it definitely was about the fame of Billie Eilish and what makes her famous. And as a delivery of information about Billie Eilish and what makes her famous and as a delivery of information about billy eilish and her career and her family and all that it propagandized me uh well because i now know like her family helps her a lot and her brother writes music with her and and she changes her hair color a lot it hit every joke you'd expect about billy eilish i i will say i engaged in discourse on it though with a somewhat viral tweet because i was seeing shit go viral from this. I am noticing an age divide in Simpsons fans now that I did before.

10 year younger than us fans in their mid to late 20s. They are now in the phase of like the original era was perfect and these new ones ruined the classics, which we've all been there yeah but the point they did in this case was billy eilish asked lisa does your father help you and support you and he's like uh lisa then does a joke to basically say like no he's never been supportive and then people used very cherry picked pictures of like this was literally homer and it's you know him listening her to her play the song in the saints go over there bit which again homer thinks he's dying in that scene and they said really Homer. And it's, you know, him listening to her play the song in the Saints Go Over There bit, which again, Homer thinks he's dying in that scene. And they say, oh, he bought her the saxophone like after Marge told him to and after he took her to a bar and he did it in spite of

after Marge told him, don't buy a new air conditioner. Like it's just no, the joke is Homer told her to her face. He would rather go to truckasaurus than see her play her solo homer they do so many jokes in classic seasons that homer is not supportive it's a defining feature of homer in the early years that he does not want to hear the saxophone being played so i just hated seeing people say like um actually in the original series he actually was very supportive i was like you know that was the fucking joke homer's not supportive he hates her damn saxophone and also i i felt there was a little spirit to it of girls don't appreciate their fathers and fathers are uh it was like father's rights kind of feel to it that i did not like either they just watch uh what's with the episode uh blame it on the lisa or blame it on

lisa where it's all about how uh homer's mean to lisa but in the end she's like no actually i need to be nicer to my dad yes yeah and that was her her realization in the deprivation tank of just like actually he takes me to lots of stuff he doesn't like which in act one she does not he doesn't to do that he says oh we did elisa things last month which i want to do stuff that normal people like like yeah homer, Homer hates everything Lisa does. He destroys her house. He destroys her property many times. Like, I was just annoyed that people were trying to get viral or were getting viral off of saying Lisa's full of shit.

Homer always supports her. I was like, that is not true. It's not Blame It on Lisa, by the way. That's the Brazil episode. I forget what it's called, but we covered it. You know what we're talking about. Yeah. But that was just the start of a ton of new episodes of Simpsons this month.

Well, a big addition is Edna Krabappel and Marsha Wallace. They've been gone since 2015. They went to heaven with Geech. So Bart is a new teacher now finally a new replacement played by carrie washington this is not just a guest yeah this is a permanent fixture now i assume that bart had some some teachers rotate in yeah yeah there were i know willem defoe played one in like season 20 something or other but yeah the the point of getting carrie washington to this carolyn amine uh would say in interviews that this is seen as a semi-regular role like the episode does not end

with her quitting she says she's gonna stick around and she is the perfect teacher that is the joke that she is too perfect but she's like kind of a too perfect nerd but i will say the best thing about her jokes of her being too perfect is the reason she'd ever end up as springfield is that part of her perfection is that she is too supportive of her loser husband who is a terrible oboe player but it's his dream and he could only get hired at springfield's philharmonic so that was a clever joke i liked that but she seems fun she she seems nice bart bart had a crush on her too but which she she says like, oh, that's just you discovering another part of yourself.

And it was all right. It was all right. So what else is going on in the world of New Simpsons episodes? Like I said, as soon as I got back, I had to start prepping for our six hour Toy Story 3 podcast I was producing. So I did not get a chance to get around to watching three hours of the Simpsons new episodes. Although you did show me a clip of the season finale oh yeah yeah so there's there was girls just shauna have fun which short version is i

like that lisa and shauna became friends like the you know jimbo's girlfriend i guess and lisa never has a female friend and it was fun it was also just you don't see a story where lisa has a friend who's like a cool teen it's like uh an older sister type of deal and meanwhile homer befriends chalmers and they become brewmasters together which that was fun okay i want to see more chalmers uh there is the mother's day episode called marge the meanie where bart discovers that marge was a prankster in old days the biggest compliment i want to give to that is they do a bit in the comic shop that has very good specific jokes about comic book stores I've never seen anywhere, including about how comic book stores will sell you a pack

of like a bunch of comics, but you can only see the two on the outside. And it's a joke about Milhouse trying to figure out what the other two are in the middle. Then there was the Succession parody episode from last week called Meat is Murder, which that was a very packed guest star list you had cousin greg from succession nicholas braun you also had jonathan lithgow kristin ritter paul f tompkins seth green edie patterson susan egan and teens tiktok sensation charlie diamello i know who that is i don't i vaguely know what succession is because it's one of those uh really hot tv shows uh you know i thought i watched it was something called suck session

it was hey i'm kidding this ain't succession but no i've heard look i've heard great stuff about i bet i would love it it's full of actors i love and it's about the downfall of our society however it is like it's one of those things that it feels so too similar to our lives like an entire episode is about shutting down a website by a rich asshole which i don't know but it's part of why i haven't seen silicon valley yet even though i really want to see it oh exactly same deal yeah and now and what you got to see thomas middleditch and tj miller and the other two and feel i'll tug your collar a little uh but susan egan sings in it she's great and i mean that paul f tompkins finally gets to be a regular voice that's great i love that and seth green was good

too and it though it does have like a a willie wonka parody song in it where i'm like guys this is 2022 like come on but uh and then yes the final episode of the season also a musical for really it's a half musical like the second half of the poorhouse rock which we watched that music bit together yeah uh they're grappling with some real leftist ideas uh they're also confronting the idea that homer's uh job is rooted in a time that no longer exists unfortunately uh you show me the songs they come to the wrong conclusion yes and it's very unfortunate it's it's very neoliberal yep and it's what you would expect but it's just like they're finding a scapegoat and it's evil republicans that they're behind

everything that's wrong for the most part that's true mostly it's true but it's also like well but did biden stop them no like yeah and it's also being made it's like hey our guy is in the white house yeah he can do stuff yeah at least there is kind of like bart does come to the conclusion oh i really can't do shit can i like but yeah you're right stuff yeah at least there is kind of like bart does come to the conclusion oh i really can't do shit can i like but yeah you're right they name all these problems that are real like of like yeah there was a bunch of money uh in in middle class jobs 70 years ago it was also very racist then they're like that doesn't exist anymore and you'll never get that job if you're bart's age now 10 you'll never ever have that job and lisa has a whole rap about like

you'll even if you got homer's job you would never be able to afford anything because your student loans will choke your savings you'd have no money and but then when they come back from the commercial break and even mock jeff bezos like he's jeff bezos we're all bozos in this little rap but yes then it when it's time to diagnose exactly why this is happening, they can't fucking name like NAFTA or like, honestly, also when they have Robert Reich in it, the labor secretary under Clinton, you can't really blame Clinton, can you? You know, and it's just. It's Republicans and it's Democrats.

It is Republicans, but it's also Democrats. It's Democrats saying we have to compromise with Republicans. Otherwise, we might alienate voters who thinks we have sex with children. So we can't lose those people. i hate i hate that and also that they had they had a thing with tucker or carlson saying putin for president that is like that's just normie shit man and also i don't like that matt selman is 51 most of the simpsons writers who have been around there a long time are over 50s even over 60 they're blaming the old people on facebook you guys are the old people on facebook you can't blame the the boomers are dying out guys you are the old people now it is funny that a writing room with a median age of

like 52 yeah he's making jokes about how there are no more of these uh jobs for young people i mean we've heard about uh all the problems happening in like uh in hollywood in terms of like getting good paying good jobs there are all these like mini writing rooms that aren't real jobs yeah yeah that are just like sweatshops for writing basically yeah i mean like in obviously this is a real first world problems thing to talk about but like matt selman had opportunities the next matt selman now doesn't have at all like he'll never and he honestly won the lottery himself in 1999 uh when he got on the simpsons for his lifetime gig but nobody gets to be matt selman anymore like no company netflix doesn't do

residuals there's all these problems but anyway i it was at least interesting that that was their direct response to that atl Atlantic article from a year ago. Like, that's what inspired it. They said it in interviews. Like, yeah, this was inspired by that Atlantic article that said, the Simpsons are no longer middle class. Yeah. And Hugh Jackman sang in it. And also, it was co-showrun by Tim Long.

So, it also seems like they were trying out other people for the supporting showrunner gig. Maybe the future of the Simpsons is they have, have like five showrunners that do four episodes a season. Who knows? Could be. Yeah. But yes. That's the only way they'll have a female showrunner. Yeah.

I think so. Yeah. Come on. Come on, guys. But yes, a lot of new episodes happening this month and in April. And then we also have some fun news. There was a recent couch gag in the last episode, the season finale, with character designs based on the webcomic art of this artist named Spike Monster from Venezuela. It's the grown up kind of like cool teenage versions of all the kid characters.

Yeah, the webcomic Those Spring Kids. I was very excited to see that because, you know, that I like that that person's arts. It looks really good and i think it's a cute a cute vision of like the teen version of our lead characters in the show seeing him in motion i was like this could work why don't like this should be your next disney plus special if you're going to do it obviously that wouldn't promote a disney brand no but it looked good and i felt really good for spike monster i i would bet, I would hope they were paid in a little more than exposure, but hey, at the very least, it was a nice, their Tribune and Webcomic Forum got to be official,

probably was a real treat for Spike Monster. It's very nice to see them reach out to the Simpsons fan community and I hope in the future they reach out to podcasters. Yeah, guys. To be on the show, to promote their podcast on the show. We could be, we can hang out with Chalmers. Oh, man. Chalmers, yeah.

We can make beer with Chalmers. I'm just saying, hey, the offer's on the table. At least a couch gag. Give us a couch gag. Yeah, yeah. You can kill us in it, right? Yeah, hey, I'll take it. For all the things we've said.

Yeah, yeah. Anyhow, in more news, Simpsons related news, a Spinal Tap reunion movie is coming back because people are still alive and they can do it. God damn it. So we got to we got to bring it back. Spinal Tap 2, they're all on board. Rob Reiner, Michael McKean, Christopher Guest and Harry Shearer.

All guys nearing the age of 80. Yes. Pretty much. I wonder if they were waiting for McKean to finish Better Call Saul. You know, he's been busy with that for a while. So now he's free and yeah i mean also it's a sign that like oh i guess shearer and guest uh aren't feuding now and they like each other enough to make this thing and yeah i mean rob reiner too no spring chicken uh

so no no so yeah i mean hey it's it's cute they're getting the band back together literally uh and uh you know i hope it's fun i'm uh i don't know harry sheer and rob reiner's comedy taste these days i i trust guest in mckean to a degree but sheer and reiner i don't know people people have said though that uh hey mighty wind is the sequel it is oh it is we got it it's funny it's really funny i mean there's a the comedy is a bit npr to be fair but it's very gentle it's very gentle it's for your uh professor uncle yes yeah hey my mom loved it my mom my mom thought it was hilarious i do enjoy it but yeah we don't know how this will turn out but maybe they'll be back on the show maybe they'll be the auto show too finally auto yes

teams up with them once more they answer the the question of like did in the simpsons universe spinal tap die when their bus crashed and exploded and also there is a new gq cover story about the simpsons it's basically just an overview of where the show has been where it is now if you listen to our show it's everything you already know yep but also there's some new comments from graining and the standard thing the standard responses you hear to the standard questions. I mean, it's comprehensive, but I don't think it's for people that listen to Simpsons podcasts or Simpsons podcasters, to be fair. But if you want to see some new Dave Silverman art that he actually gets to put his name on, even with Matt Groening's signature, that's cool. But yeah, it's also like we really got to get to interview Al Jean someday.

We can promise him we won't ask him the same five questions that get asked in every interview like this gq one yeah i mean it's gotten to the point where i know his responses because he gets asked the same questions a lot i felt that with stan lee i was always like well i don't need to watch a new interview with stan lee i know every question that any person who if you get to interview stan lee you're not a good interviewer or for comic book history so you're only going to ask the same questions and guess what i know word for word every single bit of how stan lee created the fantastic four i can tell you it off the top of my head you know i was gonna quit the company and then my wife said if you're gonna quit

anyway why don't you write a story that's really for you? You can even do the voice. Yes. Hey, they're bringing Stan Lee back. Oh, that's right. Yes. Unfortunately, I will do the voice. You can audition. And that Andy Hayward, the deke master, is the guy running it.

That's crazy. Devil. Yeah. But then again, it's like he owns it. So he's the horrible daughter of Stanley tried to sue for the rights to this from Andy Hayward, and she lost in court. So it's like, I don't know, either she be selling his corpse or Andy Hayward would. Nobody would let his corpse rest.

With Disney, you don't even get the comfort of the grave. Nope, nope. That'll happen to all of the stars of the MCU. So in more news. Speaking of Disney. Oh, yes. Speaking of Disney, whom we can't escape, there's an upcoming, guys, get this, there's another Star Wars show coming out hear about this one uh but it's codenamed Grammar Rodeo

because in case you don't know uh this is some inside Hollywood talk for you guys when they're filming something it's often given like a code name so when you see like uh something posted like oh they're filming here they're filming something called like Blue Tornado it's actually like a new Mission Impossible movie or something and it's called grammar rodeo as as well because it certainly sounds like stranger things star wars they are they are casting for 12 and 11 year olds in the parts so it's like young people adventuring through the mandalorian era of star wars so it's it's a stranger things which honestly that's fine by me because kathleen kennedy she produced like goonies anyway which stranger things rips off so it's it's a stranger things which honestly that's fine by me because kathleen kennedy she

produced like goonies anyway which stranger things rips off so it's like a fair play i think we're hitting a prestige tv bubble oh sure and i think it's gonna pop because uh i saw uh people bragging about the new stranger things i have no opinion on that show by the way i don't like it i don't hate it i've never seen it but it's like guys get this every episode costs 30 million dollars and the last episode is two and a half hours long yeah and by law you have to watch it if you have a subscription you got to do it this weekend right now this seems unsustainable this seems unsustainable well i mean later news in this thing is like oh yeah netflix and warner it's all falling apart like yeah no the bubble i think we are seeing the the pop has happened like the cutbacks are happening the numbers are going down

of of what people spend on on streaming there just is too much like there's just too fucking much like and obi-wan is just about to start and right that's over i gotta watch ms marvel and you must and then after that i gotta watch she hulk you know that's the one i'm really looking forward to i am really look i'm kind of looking forward to obi-wan i'm kind of we'll see how they turn out but i very sadly attempted an online campaign to get bill and josh a cameo in it but no one retweeted me and i blame you the listener for not retweeting it more because of that uh or rich appell who wrote the writer episode yeah which though when i i mentioned it on twitter and said hey at bill and josh what do you think of that do you think it's cool and then believed bill replied i would think it's cool if i was if i was paid for it which i wasn't and won't be and

so i don't but but hey bill is staying pretty busy anyway that's right he has something coming out via audible an audible original called Space 1969 starring Natasha Lyonne. And he said he calls it in his tweet the his favorite thing he's ever written. That's amazing. That's that's a high that's a high bar. And it comes out on June 30th for Audible subscribers, I guess. Or like how does Audible work? You have Audible, right? Audible wants to. Well, this is the part of this. Like how do you how does Amazon or any giant company make money off a podcast? Their model is a lot of Audible, which is basically taking their audiobooks model and then paying for exclusive audiobooks, basically streaming exclusives that come as part of your Audible subscription, which I do have.

Is that how you listen to the Bob Odenkirk? Well, not his memoir, but Bob Odenkirk has a book as a his own audiobook series as well coming out like basically audio play originals radio play originals and so like odenkirk did one with his son and oakley has now written this one space 1969 which just by the description of the picture sounds like exactly what would come out of bill oakley's brain of his his loves and uh in reference points i mean nixon is on the cover yes oh i mean what i mean scoring natasha leone is the lead that's pretty good she's great yeah so i'm happy for bill oakley that he's you know who knows if that mission he'll

spin off the lover sell it uh but i wish him the best of luck but at the very least he is staying creative and busy not just eating food which we all love to watch and eat that food and review it. He's a real renaissance man. Yeah. He's a triple threat. I think we've helped. We have been there for Bill Oakley as he enters this new period of his career. He wasn't in this space like five years ago as the influencer he's become. Content creator just like us.

Yeah. We brought him down to our level even. That's right. Moving on, there's another older history out and it is all about Flaming Moes. It does commit the mortal sin of quoting the commentary, but there is a new interview with Rob Cohen where you learn about the origins of the episode and his brief affair with the Simpsons. We'll talk more about that in detail when we get to Flaming Moes, but it does add more things for us to talk about in terms of Rob Cohen. He has a really interesting career after this oh yeah but uh it just like his one stint with the simpsons and actually we just recorded an episode that his brother joel h

cohen wrote right for all the family yeah man and then and then there was a new thing for joe with jeff martin too uh but yeah and the writer brian van hooker did a good job uh collecting new interviews but yeah the one thing it doesn't touch on, though, is the is this about Sam Simon thing, which is funny because Reese just says that in the book. Like in his book, Mike Reese confirms like, yeah, this Mo is Mac rating and Homer is Sam Simon like that. Yeah, that's that's conspicuously absent. It's like they didn't want to hurt somebody's feelings or whatever.

Yeah. I mean, they don't say it on the commentary either. But I would think this writer who listens to the commentary knows there are multiple easily findable Sam Simon interviews recorded before he died that he says, yeah, this probably was based on it. Yeah. Yeah. And the idea was given to Cohen by the show. Yes. It's like, here's our pitch. based on it. Yeah. Yeah. And the idea was given to Cohen by the show. Yes. It's like, here's our pitch.

Please write it. So the insiders on the show gave him the pitch. So which makes me think even more. Yeah. Reese is right. It's the it's the graining versus Simon story. Yeah. Yeah.

Moving on. Not front of the show yet, but we're hoping the real Jim's on YouTube. Check out his videos about the Simpsons are all very, very good. He recently did a good video on the Bongo Comics series with voice actor Jaden Libran to reenact some of the comic panels. It's very good. It's not a retrospective. What he did was just kind of choose random comics because he never really read the Bongo

Comics. So it's not a retrospective. That would require an entire video series. But yeah, it's very neat to just see a newcomer hit these comics for the first time and then just kind of hear them reenacted with a voice actor now the only danger is if that video gets too popular part of his video is saying like oh and bongo comics are everywhere and they're pretty cheap to rebuy just to purchase at your local comic shop i was like well if you keep saying that buddy you're gonna ruin the market they're gonna be expensive soon

but yes i have my many beloved bongos right nearby my he talks a little about the radioactive man one but someday i'd love to do one just like honestly you need a panel by panel description of like here's this panel from this comic that they're parodying here like i was just reading an old spider-man comic amazing spider-man 36 and there's a final panel and i was like oh that's the exact panel that they're parodying in Radioactive Man 2. Oh cool. Wow like I didn't even I missed some of those things. Yeah this made me think like uh what is Matt Groening's publishing company doing right now because there was a Disenchantment comic that was like a San Diego Comic-Con like give out. Right right. You might be able to buy it but then there was nothing and then there's like a

Disenchantment calendar that's part of the Bapper books brand but then the simpsons calendar that we both have is like part of matt graining productions yeah which you got to import from england yeah because there's i think he doesn't have the american rights anymore there's there's something complicated going on here that you know what maybe we should send it to that oral history writer of like get to the bottom what happened to Bongo? Investigate Bapper. Well, he's making, he's making a new Futurama. Maybe he's too busy.

He's like almost 70. Maybe like running a publishing label on top of working on three shows is a little too much for him right now. You know, his kids are about to go to, I feel like the last of his kids must be an adult now. He's got a lot of other kids. Oh, those new kids. A lot of little kids.

I'm thinking of Homer and Abe, which are like 30 and 28. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. And I'm sure that takes a lot of energy, too. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. And, you know, nannies can only do so much. Yeah.

I'm sure there's a fleet of nannies at the Grinning residence. Moving on, Susan Sarandon, the hated Susan Sarandon. Boo. Boo. We hate. No, we love Susan Sarandon. Boo. Boo. We hate. No, we love Susan Sarandon. We love her. And I love how she pisses people off just by living her life.

Yes. Yeah. I, and, uh, this GQ interview with her, she was going viral again because, uh, at the celebratory party in New York city for the freeing of Steve Donziger, who was being illegally maliciously kept under house arrest by our horrible judicious system. Look into it, guys. If you want to be depressed. Yeah.

It's like, can a corporation try to get you to commit suicide? They can, but legally. But he made it out. And so at the celebratory thing, which including some of our choppo pals went to, Susan Sarandon was there getting photographed and she was wearing the Simpsons jacket she got in season six for playing the ballet teacher. And she proudly wears it everywhere. She talks about how she would get sent new patches and added on. And then she says, at some point, the patches stopped coming.

And I'm like, man, Simpsons, your studio staff needs to send her her patches. She needs to have all the current patches. Apparently, over the years the gifts got worse like there used to be the jackets and then there used to be a new patch every year but then after a while the gifts got worse man that's lame boy see susan sarandon she got the 90s she lives the 90s dream of a simpsons guest star of getting the jacket and you have it forever and it holds up for like 27 years it looks good it still looks good on her i love every photo of susan sarandon in her simpsons jacket i love and cherish and so you can learn all

about why and how much she loves wearing a jacket she has this great point of saying like i'll just love wearing it around because the second people see it they just smile and i'm just seeing people smile at me all the time i would be excited to see one in the wild yes yeah and then you look up and you're like and it's susan sarandon wearing it oh my god yeah so astoundingly we have kanye west updates for all of you right yeah because uh there's a lot going on in his life he's a complicated man of course and a news item came out that uh he compared an outfit kim kardashian wore to marge simpson's dress in an unflattering way yes yeah which it's like it was just a long dress that was tight like that's all it was like i i mean if you look at it the pictures in the tweets it's just about it it's like it's just a long tight dress i guess

he could say like well it's a long dress in the way that marge's dress is long and also i guess it's kind of strapless but then she had sleeves with it but yes it was just funny to see for a day march simpson was trending because kim kardashian told a story about how kanye was mean to her and he said uh her career was over because of that for that one march simpson dress i think this kanye guy's got a got a screw loose folks maybe she gets some help yeah i don't know but yes uh so kanye Kim, we even we were forced to talk about it. But hey, we're not talking about that other celebrity couple that's all over the news this month. I don't know.

Oh, OK. Yes. Yes. Let's not. Let's not even. You can't avoid updates about those freaks. I know. Anyway, moving on.

We talked about the TV bubble bursting, the prestige TV bubble bursting. Well, guess what? Animated shows are being executed as an as a result of this and uh one of them i mean there's a whole list of shows that aren't being made now any uh because of this netflix i think we talked about it last time it's like netflix has like everybody in the universe on their platform but one quarter they lose 200 000 subscribers and it's like oh my god we can't grow exponentially forever shit and they're closing all of these uh animation jobs like i follow so many people like well i guess i'm unemployed well i

guess i'm gonna play it's just like netflix there was a great takedown of how it happened that netflix had all these promises to their creators of like oh we're gonna order you straight to series no notes all this stuff and then it turns out no the notes are the algorithm it's the the the executives don't say i feel this or i feel that they just say like well the data i have that we're not going to show you says this and you can't argue with data i mean that's that's notes way better in the favor of executives because they can just say like well it's data you can't argue with that like you just got to do it i mean this is why i'm not a businessman i i believe my theory is oh yeah you guys just hit the maximum potential subscribers you could ever have with the population of the world.

Yeah. There's no growth after a certain point, but I'm sure like no shareholder wants to hear that. You would be fired from the boardroom if you said that. Like, well, the answer is, guys, we've grown as far as you can. Get this man out of here. He's crazy. He's crazy. But yeah, one of the casualties, which is a rotten is uh the comic

series bone the beloved comic series bone it was going to be adapted for seemingly the second time but it didn't happen nickelodeon was going to do it in the late 90s they wanted to make some changes it eventually fell apart in this case it seemed to be good seemed to be going well uh but it this fell apart because of the Netflix budget stuff. And the artist behind Bone, Jess Smith, drew a comic about it. Yeah, it was very funny. And it's Charlie Brown with the football over and over again. And who knows if it'll happen again.

I still can't believe there's never been a Bone animated thing. Going back to last month's podcast, if exploding cats can get a cartoon, give Bone a cartoon yeah somebody has to make bone into something like hey pixar make make your bone trilogy of movies somebody do this it's it's sitting there it's the perfect story to be adapted and also it's uh kind of kind of that a lot of the ones they're cutting look there's a couple that like they killed the megan markle show which i'm like who cares but i honestly but yeah she needs to make the podcast she promised but uh it did seem like a lot of the ones that were getting canceled the projects were mainly by non-white creators that seemingly were netflix you know getting positive press because they're like see we greenlit this show we've got these gay stars and this uh you know poc and all

these you know diverse talents and then they just kill their projects and leave them unemployed they're like see we it's like they're like oh we have more women on staff at this thing than ever and they're all unemployed now we have we made many women jobless with this job i guess and we've been through this before in our own lives with our own industries but netflix had an entire like editorial branch that they just buried they hired a ton of people seemingly paid them well and gave them good deals but completely buried all of their work because somebody agreed to something and then decided nah let's not do this yeah multiple people moved to los angeles to do this and then now in our own industry we've seen that the kind of cold feet

it's like somebody is like pushed to make the decision they do and they're so ashamed of having made a decision that they have to back away from it as soon as possible like oh we did it for two months uh nope cut it slash it right now they don't look good because i cut cost yeah it's and sadly that kind of thing's happening over at warner right now too it's uh things are looking good at the start of the new warner era i'd have to say yeah uh there's's a Cartoon Brew article you sent me, Henry, and there's a lot of warfare happening within Warner. Yes.

Yeah. So Warner and Discovery merged, and Discovery is a lot more cost conscious in charge now. Okay. I don't know a lot about this. My pardon my ignorance. How is Discovery a big brand? How? Because everybody watches their shit is that

it i don't understand it but yes they're martin was correct team discovery channel was where you want to be no their reality shows and the number of channels discovery owns somehow they became the bigger fish than hbo and i mean it happened because at&t wanted to get rid of it like at&t thought they wanted to own warner it takes them five years to buy it. Then once they buy it, they're like, oh, this is actually hard to make things. We just sell people phones or phone usage. Like that takes no creativity. We got to sell this.

And the top buyer was Discovery. And so they just merged together. So that way also Discovery's app can become HBO Max and they're the same app. But yeah. So complicated. that way also discovery's app can become hbo max and they're the same app but oh yeah so complicated well the sound of things is that discovery bosses uh calling the shots in in the many articles i've read on this is that they are cheap because they make reality shows so they they're the anecdotal story and one of them i read was that the new guy in charge his name is zazlov of warner he was asking why did you guys make the Clint Eastwood movie Cry Macho?

It's probably not going to make any money. And they said, well, yeah, but we've worked with him forever. He's made this studio so much money and awards, and he's never over budget. And then Zaslav apparently said back to them, we owe no one favors. So if he's that way about Clint Eastwood's project, guess how he's going to treat clint eastwood's project guess how he treat

he's going to treat everybody else's project yeah with less respect than a 90 year old director so yeah i feel like uh the future of adult swim and cartoon network i don't know how adult swim could tighten it belt it's spelt more and have lower budgets but we're all going back to like c-lab first season budgets for all of our shows now uh smiling friends won't move at all no it'll just be uh just be a powerpoint presentation i think but i hate to say dark days ahead but i don't know if you like shows on adult swim or cartoon network or or if you're like me and enjoy aew wrestling that's featured on turner channels uh you feel a little worried right now with all this talk of cutting costs it feels like a real whiplash from

all of the stories from like two or three years ago like right around the start in the bit and like pre-pandemic where it's like animation boom everyone's getting jobs and shows and now everyone's getting cold feet yeah and uh everyone's getting laid off unless you're a celebrity then you can sell your show like i uh hey look i'm gonna watch that velma show i mean it's not like i'm not here's the thing i'm not gonna watch it lookma show. It's not like I'm not. Here's the thing. I'm not going to watch it. Look, I'll at least watch the first episode. I don't care about Scooby-Doo. I don't really care.

Well, I like it. But it also feels like, oh, they're not going to buy a new adult Velma show if you're not famous. But if you are a famous person who comes with the very, you know, not new idea of Scooby-Doo, but R-rated. Hey, let's call it a tired idea that I saw in the Venture Brothers 17 years ago. Yes, yeah. That James Gunn wanted to do with his live action Scooby-Doo 20 years ago.

Yeah. I mean, look, I respect Mindy. It's Mindy Kaling, right? Yeah, Mindy Kaling. I respect her and what she's done, but I feel like anyone else pitching this, they would have been like, no, that's an old idea. Yes, yeah. But when it's going to be Mindy and she plays Velma, which it really just feels like she

came to a meeting and said, I'd love to play Velma, which I could. Hey, if I was that famous and said, I've always wanted to be Leonardo in the Ninja Turtles or whatever, they'd be like, well, then here's your Ninja Turtles movie, Henry Gilbert. Here's the Leonardo prequel. Yes, exactly. I'd get it but that's uh i would be stomping over hundreds of people who have worked for decades in animation to try to make their own show and just go like nah sorry i'm more famous than you fuck off that's what's happening in the world of

animation yes uh as for us what's happening in our world? Well, guess what, guys? We came off of that gigantic Roger Rabbit podcast in April. Hope you enjoyed it. And there's even almost as big podcast at the end of this month, at the end of May with Toy Story 3. We went into that saying, oh, you know what? It won't be as long as Roger Rabbit. It almost is. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. But I guess we had so many stories to tell.

Yes, lots of personal stories and uh on topic to follow up on that roger rabbit movie podcast from april the first episode of what a cartoon for the month of june uh we're going to be talking about the post-movie roger rabbit history uh we're going to be talking about like what happened to the character we're going to be talking about his three shorts uh toontown everything involved with roger rabbit and all of the potential sequels that never happened as well yes yeah it was uh that's it's a longer than usual what a cartoon as well but so just know that if we had included this talk in our six and a half hour long podcast it would have been nearly 10 hours so patreon would have shut us down yes yeah they would have got us committed i bet that's in our contract somewhere so if you're a patron on the five dollar level or higher you get access to on the second week of

june the talking futurama episode about anthology of interest two by the way that is the 50th episode of talking futurama because it's the 50th episode of futurama it's that easy folks so if you haven't listened to our series yet there's like 50 how do you like that just 50 of that to begin with man i'm trying to sell everybody on this and then after that the next week talking in the hill we're talking about the final shinsalt another episode all about cotton and the final week of the month if you are on the five dollar level or on the free feed you'll get to hear the extended free preview of our what a cartoon movie podcast all about the little mermaid if you're on the ten dollar feed you get to hear the whole thing and finally we're going back to the disney

renaissance era to cover the films we have not covered yet. And strangely enough, in over three years of What a Cartoon Movie, have not touched The Little Mermaid yet. Yeah, we're finally doing it. I can't wait. It was a wonderful, magical moment to see that musical. I think it was the first time I really loved a musical for being a musical.

Like, I was old enough to actually appreciate a musical as it was and and as time has gone on i appreciate even more like howard ashman's ability i think you know what i probably i would watch a little shop of horror in chunks but as a little kid i never watched it all the way through i just watched the puppet stuff mainly but yeah i mean little shop of horror again another both of the howard ashman little uh projects are two of my favorites they are both little yeah and i think i mean it feels like it's been a footnote and so many podcasts just like roger rabbit that i'm i'm glad we're finally gonna be talking about it in full yeah yeah and it's a perfect follow-up to roger rabbit too many of the people who worked on roger rabbit went straight to little mermaid and finally for

our poll for the what a Cartoon Movie podcast for July, again, more Disney Renaissance summer stuff, so the choices will be Oliver and Company, The Rescuers Down Under, Beauty and the Beast,

and Pocahontas, and yeah, all things we have not covered to this point. Oliver and Company, it's kind of grandfathered into the Renaissance, but it's just before,

but it's considered a successful enough movie. It's very Shrek-like. Oh, it's, yeah, it's considered a successful enough movie it's very shrek like oh it's it's yeah it's uh katzenberg's shrek tendencies are fully on display in oliver and company and hey i guess if you make us do of oliver and company we'll have to do a lot of research on the career of billy joel and his uh epic songs and drinking hooray uh though you know what rescuers down under almost beat little mermaid last month will it win this time or will beauty and the beast finally have their chance to shine i've never seen it so so

never watched it wow man and i i feel like it every comment of people who voted on it last time said i wore this vhs out i watched this vhs eight million times of rescuers down under i i remember seeing it on it in theaters. It was a good time. That seems very cool. And it's the first Caps movie. Yes. Yeah.

It's a gorgeous movie with a big, I mean, Bob, you'll love it because it has the biggest bird you ever seen, like a gigantic golden eagle. I'm into it. So yeah, that's what's happening in our neck of the woods. As for us personally, what we've been playing and watching, that's not necessarily homework for the show. As for me, I did a ton of traveling. So mostly playing stuff on my Switch.

I finished Kirby Star Allies with my wife. I don't think it's considered like a great Kirby game or like an important Kirby game. It's just a very solid one. It's very fun. It's on the Switch. Check it out. That's cool. I'm also still playing through portable Castlevania games.

I started Castlevania Legacy of Darkness. But I'm going to eat my words slightly upon this next game mention in that I started Paper Mario, the Origami King. And I will say that after four tries of making a non-RPG Paper Mario game, it's almost as good as if they could have just made an RPG. Like it would have been better if it was an RPG, but it's almost that good. And I wish, you know, I only got 50% of the way through and then I fell off as I did with the most recent Paper Marios.

But I also thought it was the best of the post-Thousand Year Door ones as well. I agree with you. It took them too many tries. And you know what? Just go back to making RPGs. But the funny thing is the battle system seems fun,

but then five hours in, you're like, I memorized every configuration the enemies could be in. So it's just, it's busy work. That's when I got a little bored. I was like, can like can't you okay you guys know i know how to turn this now just let me go like click click there bling blah blah you jumped in the order i know what to fucking do but the production values are great the music is great the sense of humor is great

just like the battles are a drag i'm gonna try to push my way to the end i'm solving fun with it uh as for watching stuff well folks uh i love turning things i do for fun into homework which is why i recently got a letterboxd account wow and i watched a ton of movies because i was on a break for two and a half weeks so i watched a ton of movies mindset time possibly because of an upcoming guest movie mindset yeah it's a tease for you folks out there i have a list of a lot of movies i watch i will only say a few things about some of them just to get through this faster but yes i'm on a big ramey kicker i was until i saw dr strange but uh when i got to vancouver

first thing i did was watch evil dead 2 it's as good as you remember yeah i know i'm a cliche for liking it but guess what guys it's one of the best movies of all time it's its own genre it's amazing i love it so much recently too it's perfect yeah but i also watched the superior multiverse movie which you saw last month henry everything everywhere all at once yeah yeah it is so good maybe you were spoiled by now even if you were see it anyways i mean it's so good apparently it did very well and um it made another multiverse movie look kind of bad in comparison yeah yeah it's it's definitely better than mom the uh the multiverse of madness of course it was it was just fun to see a movie not based on anything that had an ending it was not introducing new things yeah and even at two and a half hours

long i don't like long movies it was was still very entertaining. Never bored. I also watched Spider-Man 3 for the first time. Wow. You'd never seen it. Never saw it in my life. And guess what, guys? Perfectly enjoyable movie. I know in the context of the time, people thought like they're never going to make a Spider-Man movie again.

He ruined Venom. We'll never see Venom again. There's too much going on in the movie, but there's actually less going on than in every Marvel movie. So suck on that wow man you know maybe we were all too harsh on it when i say we i mean me and other spider-man fanatics back then i saw it in the theater across the street 15 years ago and yeah spider-man 3 i mean it's way way better than the two garfield amazing spider-man movies way better like uh but yeah i do i do hate the venom and it's not the venom i wanted like not at all yeah i gave it three out of five stars on letterboxd uh but yeah there's embarrassing stuff in it but it's

still fun it was still lots of fun and hey the embarrassing stuff is at least memorable like how how much of movies today are just forgettable? I wish Tom Holland was doing some dances like the mask in the new Spider-Man movie. And he's a great dancer too. Oh yeah. Why is he hiding it? Anyways, yeah, it was fun to watch that. Also another three I watched for the first time,

Jurassic Park 3. Had never seen it. I had just watched The Lost World for the second time in 25 years. And I was like, this movie sucks. One out of five stars. Jurassic Park 3, it's really fun. It's frivolous.

It's meaningless. It doesn't need to exist. But Sam Neill is much better as a lead than Jeff Goldblum. Yeah, yeah. Even when he's just doing an impression of Indiana Jones. Like, he even does the, hey, you lost your hat, buddy. And then he gets his hat back. I remember, at the very least, being pissed off at the end of that movie.

One, because it ends with, like, they talk to the velociraptors i was like well this is stupid yeah they negotiate with them it's like okay we got your eggs and you're gone uh but second when it seems like there's going to be one more twist of something scary then the army appears out of nowhere just everyone nope the army's here everything's safe and laura duran called the cops on you like weirdly enough it's a pre-911 movie yes that feels like a post-911 move like oh thank god the army's here you know i don't know about this with the upcoming uh jurassic world movie but uh did they divorce laura dern's character now and get her back together with with alan i wonder i'm so curious but i don't want to suffer through chris pratt yeah i saw

a trailer for that movie a few times recently doesn't that okay then isn't it really sus how chris pratt's character like lives in isolationist lifestyle with his velociraptor like they're trying to take my velociraptor from me he's become like farm alone a sovereign citizen in this movie yeah that's that's that kind of stuff that chris pratt does in his movies i'm like don't like that yeah i also saw a romantic comedy for the first time in a while i watched uh 2019's always be my maybe pretty mediocre i'm happy there's romantic comedy starring asian americans of course oh sure but all everyone ever talked about was like when keanu reeves comes in it's that movie it's that movie it's that movie it's like i kind of wish he wasn't in it because it's like it's like a comedy sketch with him for about 10 minutes and

then the movie goes back to normal it's just like and that's all you remember because the rest is kind of like flatline yeah but it's funny because it takes place in san francisco but it it's filmed in places i've been to in vancouver oh that's hilarious oh my god that's uh that has to be a real trip for you yeah but uh yeah it's it's all right it was fun to take it you know when we were hanging out with pals in vancouver it was fun having some of them point out like, hey, this was a thing in Supergirl or this place we're going to was featured in this episode of DC Legends of Tomorrow or whatever. I just, I liked all the film spotting there. It is fun now that I've been there so much and I'll be living there.

I can like, I can identify things I've been to. That's not New York. Yeah. That's not Boston. I'll be screaming that out loud the movie theater also more Ramy stuff Army of Darkness a movie which was the first Ramy movie I saw because of the most widely available at

the time a little too goofy but still fun and I also watched a very overlooked Ramy movie people probably don't think he even directed it but a simple plan oh yeah I love it it's sort of like Fargo jr. but there's no comedy yeah and I swear to god like my heart was in my throat after like the first five minutes and it would not stop like i felt my heart rate decreasing when the movie was over it's like a series of very very bad decisions until the end it is so good yeah i i haven't seen it in so long

i gotta i gotta pull it back up but i it's i love that movie yeah it's like it is like ramey doing a coen brothers movie but like mean coen brothers too yeah there's no fun characters there's no like silly scenes or quips or anything it's all like darkness and yeah it's real good so we can both talk about this henry i also saw dr strange in the multiverse of madness uh two out of five stars on Letterboxd. Here's the thing. Unfairly, I had seen everything everywhere all at once. And I was like, wow, all of the ideas about all these universes.

Then, I don't think these are spoilers, by the way. Maybe they are. In Doctor Strange, the first thing you see when this multiverse idea is introduced is, you're smashing through all these worlds. Oh, wow wow all the potential and then it's like kind of like the fry farnsworth jokes like so there's there's infinite amount of parallel worlds no just the two because once you get the promise of all of this world shifting and jumping it's like no then we're gonna go between one and two and that's it yeah you're right they

pretty much just hang out in two there's there is the big shot that's in the trailer of them going through like 20 at the same at once okay it's in the trailer shot that's in the trailer of them going through like 20 at the same at once okay it's in the trailer yeah it's in the trailer like where they go through like the paint world or whatever but yeah no i i guess you don't want to spoil too much be it could uh though yeah it's been three weeks i don't know if you super duper cared but i won't spoil anything either i so i'll say that i liked it more than you and it's probably because my husband and i decided on a whim that we would fly down to los angeles for a day and watch it at the special fancy fanboy screening at the el capitan theater in hollywood uh which was a lot of fun we were seeing it with the hardest of the hardcores who

would gasp at everything i heard some gasping it's funny because i don't know who anyone is i will say uh by the way guys get, there's cameos in this movie. That's not a spoiler. When one cameo happened and they played a little riff of a certain song, I wanted to leave. I was like, can we, I was thinking like, can we ask for our money back?

You know, that's funny because the cameo that preceded that one was the one that made me go, God damn it. I actually liked all the other cameos but the one right before that guy you're talking about i did go god damn it they did it they fucking did it i'm so mad i hope this is a one-off i'll just that's the last i'll say about not to be too grumpy like i like that they let ramey do a few rameyish things good ramey stuff uh not enough and like these movies are not for me. Like this is like you're part

of the subscription plan and it's like. You're watching the new episode in the Marvel TV show. Yeah it's like they're following up on things that came before. There are teases of things to come and then there's like an unsatisfying story in the middle and that's what I don't like about these movies because I'm not going to see the next one. Well it's also that what that tease at the end

doesn't get you Bob? Not really no. Okay well I also think the character of Doctor Strange always works better to me as an assistant character, a support character, really. He's like, he's your healer in the background, but he's just the guy who says, I said it before on this podcast, it's Doctor O, he's magic. That's what he is. It's Doctor O and Venture Brothers, the guy you call the fixed magic. I think that also destroys the character for me because i i like the parody more and the parody is more

familiar to me i was like oh yeah dr orpheus is way funnier than this guy and uh technically though multiverse of madness had a gay character in it though uh i certainly appreciated the queerness more up front in everything everywhere all at once than uh the uh very light dusting of a few sprinkles of gay people in uh multiverse of madness but when sam raimi occasionally got to be sam raimi in it i was cheering i was yeah that's what pissed me off at the el capitan when the sam raimi things happened i was ready for all the cheer my cheering friends around me who were cheering every marvel uh reference when a non-marvel thing happened, but it was a Sam Raimi thing, like say a cross faded editing of fading between things and like three things layered on top of each other.

I was like, yay, is that cool? That's the Raimi touch. And nobody cares. These children. There isn't that one fucking cameo. Yeah. People really didn't care enough about that in theater. I was definitely the loudest cheerer in the cheer room at that theater i don't cheer at movies but look bob it

was the way it was the room was for cheering okay you were in the cheering room following the i see well you know what that leads to no no this is not a spoiler i won't say his name but guess what guys a certain man appears in sam raimi movies think about it you'll guess which one uh and when he appears a goofy thing happens and no reaction and one person goes what the hell yeah like was this a mistake that pissed me i hear that story that pisses me off uh also watch interview with a vampire for some reason oh wow that's uh it's fun it's it's really cheesy it's fun to see tom cruise going all out he finally gets to be as gay as he wants to be for once. A young Kirsten Dunst.

And I saw that like right after I saw her like 10 years later in Spider-Man 3. So it was fun to see that. I also rewatched. I'm almost done, by the way. I also rewatched Clueless for the second time in my life. The funny thing was when I saw this as a kid, yes, all the women were way too attractive when I was 13. And now I'm an adult, so I can watch it with sober eyes.

And I was like, when I was a kid, I was like, oh, the joke is they're all dum-dums. They're all stupid, right? Watching it as adults, like, no, the joke is this is how teenagers actually talk. Ah, okay. This is how, like, vacuous and stupid and teenagers have no, like, life experience. The joke isn't that they're dumb. They're just kids with no life experience. Who think they know everything exactly yeah and it's great it's so great and charming only thing is that it's a pro uh dating your underage ex-sister movie and i don't like

that yeah it's step-sister yeah hey i guess that's what it's uh it's true to the thing it's adapting i guess so yeah that was hundreds of years ago yeah yeah but it's like paul rudd needs to be held accountable in that movie he's not a hero uh i love how she goes like not us like at the end of the marriage she's like not us we're not from what kentucky is that what she says something like that yeah i just remember the line of like i just when the girl's holding the banana and she says i hope as you know what isn't crooked and then uh shares like what like she didn't know a penis could uh penises come in all shapes and curvatures she's a virgin and Brittany Murphy makes fun of her also Brittany Murphy in the

movie nice to see Brittany Murphy before they made her over and destroyed her life the Hollywood machine oh that's sad yeah but Clueless is so good worth returning to it's a feel-good movie and uh teenagers have not changed that much outside of the presence of smartphones. Right, right. Other than that, I guess what they suggest, if you just animated a smartphone into the share's hands the entire movie, it would just look the same.

I mean, you have to forget that everyone just has cell phones because a lot of the jokes are, can you believe all these guys are always on their phone? Oh, that's true, yes. All the time? Yes, yeah. To me, it's just like, well, yeah, everyone's got their phone they're on they're looking at their phone at the dinner table it's like well in 1995 that was a joke yeah the joke is one person will be

doing it it would piss off the parent yes yeah also last movie uh mercifully this is the last movie i'll be talking about i saw for the first time uh my blue heaven the sequel to goodfellas that came out before goodfellas and And have you seen this movie, Henry? Only clips. I've never watched it. It is bizarre. It's a very strange movie because Steve Martin is so miscast. He's an Italian gangster.

I mean, he's Henry Hill. Yeah. Steve Martin, this super white kid from Orange County, playing Henry Hill, like a seven-foot-t playing Henry Hill like a seven foot tall Henry Hill and having an accent that is like it starts in New York and through the sentence it wanders from like Chicago to Cleveland to Pittsburgh and back he's so bad at this so it's like a normal movie but one guy is like a sketch comedy character uh let's see that's probably why I never watched it because I was like man everything else in this seems like right but it should just not be him like if if you go back in time, it should just be Ray Liotta. Just have him be that guy.

Put him in that. Like, I don't know, John Travolta, anyone. He's so miscast. Rick Maraniss is funny, though. But it's such a bizarre movie. Joan Cusack is in it. William Hickey's in it. Some good performances.

But it's kind of just like a warm bath of a movie. It's nothing great, but it's like I think at some point Steve Martin was given too much creative control because between this and his villain in looney tunes back in action i was like they probably let him make these big choices and then regretted it like yeah wow this is way too broad yeah yeah but they're like well he's steve martin you know what are you gonna do he's the big star he's the if you're gonna make a comedy movie who do you make as the main actor and it was steve martin can open movies you, and make it makes sense. But what a mistake.

And then to have it out next to Goodfellas, which works so hard to cast not just Italian American actors, but people who actually like no mafia members or were part of the mafia in some cases with their casting. It's so not to go on too long about this but i thought the reveal at the end was going to be like oh no he hit his he hit his head and he thinks he's a mobster that's that's the explanation because there's so much broad stuff is like my uncle al fresco did this or my my grandma fettuccine like all of this like really fake hacky stuff but it turns out no he's a real guy that's terrible that's actually like that's that's an i i that's italian american discrimination i

agree and we can both talk about this henry i have one episode left of the new kids in the hall yes and guess what if you skip the intro you go to hell yes yeah you were sent directly to hell you need to play the whole thing uh yeah i just finished it last night i watched the last episode it rules it rules like it was actually really great i couldn't believe that we've seen a lot of people come back to do more sketches and you know they aren't the same they're not writing the same kind of sketches these are a lot to the same they haven't changed too much there's only occasionally jokes about kids today or what remember in the office lady sketch the one it's dumb millennial

complains that uh could you not clap i find that audio disturbing me i was like no like that but i did laugh at the the eliminator sketch this is not a spoiler when he's coming in and just being very odd and like aggressive and someone yells at him for wearing a scent like this is a non-scented space and he just gets very ashamed and i also that like there's no more competition we don't count points yeah i sorry we're spoiling sketches here but at its best i was like this just feels like more kids in the hall and i really think i read a palo mine garrett martin he interviewed dave foley about this season and foley talked about how they didn't think they wanted to do sketches again after that's why like death comes to town is more of like a narrative thing and i'm so happy they've just after 10 more years

they're like oh wait a minute no we like sketches like let's just write a fucking sketch they're funny and i think uh amazon has all of the old episodes and death comes to town yeah and a new documentary documentary too yeah and uh i guess it was decided based on the ratings this past weekend if they will make more yeah that's that's why i was like i gotta watch that last episode and in fact to do a little extra my husband went to his prime account on this tv in the living room and played it without us in the room the entire season just so counted as one more play it on every device no but it's great and yeah like i not too recently but in the early 2010s i re-watched the entire series i was unemployed uh and uh yes it holds up to that standard and

i'm happy they're back and just like old kids in the hall it's not about referencing things that are happening now maybe in terms of like thematically it is but it's not like uh putin's at it again folks or making jokes about like trump or anything like that they never did that in the past and they're not doing it now doomsday dj is the funniest fucking thing yeah that actually is like as good as my all-time favorites in the original seasons like it's that that good and i think it is and i also like that scott thompson's the outness that he was out at in the 1992 the world has caught up to it now, and it's just a normal amount of out. Like, it's not outrageous anymore, but it's just nice to see, like, oh, it's a gay couple on screen, and they're going to kiss.

Okay. Like, that's the shock value of it. Buddy Cole, I thought there'd be more than one Buddy Cole sketch, but I do believe he's, Buddy Cole is a little too hot to handle uh these days and so yeah yeah i think yes yeah yeah it is weird to see uh kids in the hall with like a modern budget and like film in hd because it took me an episode to get over that because it's like oh it's not like all shot on video and some things are on stage and some things are film pieces it's all the same aspect ratio all with no laugh track i do miss the live audience yeah sorry it's not a laugh track ever but i kind of like sketch comedy without a live audience because

uh it's more challenging that way yeah it's not like an audience like freaking out over everything that happens over like a really juiced up live audience i most miss it in the the opening i feel like the the song doesn't feel complete if it doesn't end with you know the applause and cheers yeah that's the biggest part but i guess my last thought on though is that i really also love that it's they're admitting they're old like we're seeing so many comedians say like hey i'm he's hip he's with it he's 40 like but that real life of aging comedians that are 60s who like j Seinfeld per se would say, I haven't aged.

Everybody else has gotten worse. They don't admit they're old. This has so many sketches about how they're fucking old. They're in their 60s and they're old people. It's funny that when they were doing the show, it was like for them late 20s, early 30s. And that was the perfect range to play any age. Now they're in their 60s but they're still doing that so like a 62 year old man be playing like a 40 year old dad

but still be doing like an old man voice like i'm a 40 year old man blah blah blah it's so funny to see bruce mccullough play at 61 play the like 48 year old dad he used to play with Scott's mom character. And I love Scott. Gordon and Fran, right? Gordon and Fran, yes. And then Stateful, he has a teenage son, Brian, I think. Yes, he's very old. But honestly, he wouldn't have moved out.

He'd have no future. Oh, by the way, further reading material. I just remembered Paul Myers wrote a book in 2018 called One Dumb Guy. It's a great authorized autobiography of the kids in the hall and i think henry still has my copy i still have bob's copy it's true you better read it it's good i will read it i will well i guess uh as for what i watched or in played i beat elden ring finally beat it everyone's beating elden ring well i took a few weeks off yeah i beat it now finally i with the purpose i beat it and also i had my husband as a guide and

he's like okay you can roll credits now if you want but if you want to do side things don't follow this path go here and do this three things i was like all right i'll just do it and so i did all that and it opened up more things and i rolled credits and i got one of the endings that's all i say but it's it was so great i think it is my favorite souls game and it'll be really hard i mean i bet i could play bloodborne right now and have a great time but i'm gonna miss that jump button not gonna lie yeah the jump button gonna miss that horse or i guess really uh antelope whatever it is elk elk it's an elk what am i saying but so but that was the only game i played this month other than pikmin uh bloom which we've

been uh we've been doing it uh co-op community all the time yeah we're doing those new quests yeah uh as for things i saw this month well i saw john mulaney live and my no surprises no surprises it was good well i couldn't show you because it got in the yonder bag that was fun but i gotta say i'm not a fan of him surprising people with Dave Chappelle at his show in Ohio. That's not cool. Well, we're seeing Tim Heidecker in July, and he promised on Twitter no anti-trans weirdo comedians will be sprung on the audience.

That's good. Thank you. Thanks. I wish John Mulaney could promise as much, but hey, a good thing I enjoyed with no caveats. Our flag means death. I finished watching all of it. It's great. It's super gay.

Is it the office on a pirate boat? Yes, it is. But it's very funny at being the office on a pirate boat and very inclusive on gender stuff too. And again, it's a queer show and I love that about it. It's got guys kissing each other and the joke isn't men kissing men. Isn't that funny? Like it actually, it gets comedy out of gay stuff without

mocking homosexuality which i i really appreciate and uh and yeah great cast in it uh and then yeah i watched kids in the hall we talked about that close enough i watched a little season of that great season the best uh even better than the previous season of close enough i think they really figured it out it's it's fun to see did we talk about that last month yeah but i finished watching yeah i watched watch the rest of it and also the first 20 episodes of the new season of craig of the creek are on hbo max now and you should absolutely watch it it's really great our craig pals uh up to their game and that includes in gay stuff i know i'm just saying and this got gayer and this got gayer. But what's the guy like me to do? You're not invited, Bob.

I'll go hang out with my wife. But Craig of the Creek did really push boundaries and also was very funny and had funny episodes that made me laugh and were very entertaining all over the place with great ideas. But the one I want to spotlight is an episode called fire and ice uh which is about the lead female character in the show kelsey she writes fanfic with an another friend of hers who is a girl and it's fanfic about characters that are clearly their their self inserts and when they write a scene where their self inserts express their love for each other they realize like uh oh what's this and they actually like get to deal with kelsey kind of

having a coming out moment through writing fanfic basically this is what marjorie taylor green warned me about it actually is like that's why it was even crazier watching it now because this is literally the stuff that assholes call grooming in this content here and i'm i thought it was great that craig of the creek got to really do that and have have all this gay stuff in it including the two boy characters who also are uh not straight i they're they're getting a bigger part in the season two and there's also lots of straight things in it that are fun i i really like it saw dr strange talked about that went to disneyland that uh as part of our el capitan was fun. Henry, you're spending a lot of time at Disneyland lately. I think you need intervention.

It's only every six months or so. Yeah, the last time was November. When are you going back? I mean, probably December. No, September. And December. Well, you know, I got to go with my mom. I'm taking her.

Where are you going next month, Henry? Well, that's Disney World. That's totally different, Bob. I don't have a problem anyway i also saw the rescue rangers movie i think me and bob can talk about it more once you've seen it but it was something new in disneyland the oh yes the main street electrical parade came back for its 50th anniversary if you miss it you'll have to wait for the 1205 parade right yes yeah it was uh it was a lot of fun to watch but honestly it was just an accessory to our doctor strange trip we're like well for there for dr strange and also me and the husband grabbed lunch with uh with drew and glenn from gayest episode ever it was real nice did you go

to universal no we didn't go okay okay no we didn't go nuts i thought you had a new crusty hat i thought you went to universal well that was a special order oh okay i got a billabong and uh yeah that rescue rangers movie it's a long form lonely island sketch that is uh sort of their version of roger rabbit and it's fun it's a good it's a good b minus movie i hope the spoilers you haven't been spoiled for every cameo in it not yet i mean people are demanding that we cover it and i'm i'm kind of for it but not right now i want to see how well remember the movie is in a month let's have a little distance yeah yeah i'm sure i mean like it's made for us and our listeners and i know we'll cover it eventually but let's give it some time give us some time give it a little time but it's but i did really like it

there's there's some jokes in it that i'm still chuckling at to myself to this day mainly uh well i'll just say whale that was uh that's that the word whale it makes me laugh every time i think about it now and soon this weekend guys wish henry luck because he might strike it rich with a big old jackpot because he's heading to las vegas baby how much uh gambling do you plan on doing i've set aside just a small small bit of money to gamble under a thousand yes yes yes what like what uh how do you gamble what do you gamble with well you know usually it is the uh the slots i do like the slots but i also uh kind of starting to get into roulette i like roulette too putting that chip down the lady puts uh moves her hand

over like no more bets no more bets uh every time i have won like the most i've ever won on a slot machine was nine hundred dollars uh and then i would lose like 500 more after that. So it's, uh, but the fun is just the, the risk. And also when you do roulette, is it betting on red or black? Are you doing a spread? Are you doing numbers? It's, it's what strikes me. Sometimes it's red. Sometimes it's black. Sometimes I'm like, you know what, this time I'm going to bet on number six, my one number, when I do a one number bet, I'm going to bet on six. And that's never worked out for me yet. But I haven't actually gambled in about six years. So it's going to be fun.

But the main attraction of why I'm going is because there's AEW Pro Wrestling double or nothing pay-per-view is happening there. And originally I was uh my mom and stepdad were gonna go there we got tickets it was supposed to be a big family trip but i will admit the hotels in las vegas are very expensive during memorial day weekend and my mom and stepdad they both did not want to pay that much and also though didn't want me to spend the money for them to go either because no one wins it was kind of a pride thing they're just like on the plus side their tickets are for a very in-demand pro wrestling show so i actually was able to sell them at a slight profit so well i expect you to be there and holding up a very large

sign that says something about a japanese rpg you know it's if i were to put one up i'm going to give another shot to dragon quest localized dragon quest 10 that's my that's my big one and of course at that very pay-per-view previous talking simpsons guest dan hausen will be having a big wrestling match nice he is going to be in the opening show buy-in so bob you could even watch his wrestling match for free on youtube beforehand i hope he wins yeah it's it's him and hook against smart mark sterling and tony i think i've seen the promo image of that yes yes it's fun dan hausen, we got him right before he is a giant thing. I hope he remembers us.

But I'll be wishing Dan Housen the best in a very nice, very evil pay-per-view debut. So let's move on to questions and comments for Talking Simpsons. The first episode was, a hunka hunka burns in love. And Robert Flaxman says, fortune cookies hit a new low for me

recently when i got one that was sponsored by and themed after a cryptocurrency exchange felt like a throwaway bit in a neil stevenson novel or something i saw people post some things that were like it was a qr code to like refinance your mortgage oh that's horrible yeah man advertising inside of fortune cookies that's the worst. I didn't know. I didn't know our society had collapsed that much. I think the worst I've seen to date has been I've only seen it at LAX, the airport. Advertising in the bottom of security bins. Oh, yes.

Yeah. Hey, while you're here, you might as well look at these ads. It's like, is nothing sacred. As long as the security state has trapped you here. We can humiliate you and look at ads for sketchers uh this is like that bit in futurama where fry's complaining about advertising and dreams he's like we never put him in dreams sure on on the sky and bananas not our dreams no sir i like the bananas that advertise star wars that's a be funny to open up a fortune cookie now that uh has a cryptocurrency that's worthless at this point

it says i want an ape it's so great that the the i i wish only bad things on crypto and then it falls apart to hear about those disgusting apes anymore i don't think the simpsons got into nfts i don't think they did i don't think they did yeah i think we'd know some people disappointed us by getting into nfts but uh you know, I hope they learned their lesson. Also on that episode, BatmanBoy11 says, I was also surprised to see in the end credits that it was another Mike Scully produced episode, but in retrospect, I think it makes sense from my enjoyment, since there was not many episodes from the era of Al Jean's return that were particularly memorable or enjoyable to me. But from the title of this one, I remember the general plot and twist of gloria being snakes x and going back to him at the end i was going to say that if this was the true last

scully episode it's a good one to go out on but then i saw he wrote an early season 14 episode so that i have no memory of so scratch that for now anyway and yes when we get to strummer vacation that's i guess when we truly say farewell to mike scully it was very star-studded oh one thing i remember is for flaming mose in the oral history they wanted bruce springsteen but uh cohen was like no aerosmith is like the sleazier choice to play mose they're funnier and campier and and yeah it's like scully he never could get uh bruce springsteen he wrote that episode i think just to get bruce springsteen on. Who'd get the Rolling Stones, Tom Petty, blech, who cares? Hardly worth it.

Yeah, man. Do you think he even at least got Stevie Van Zandt or something or any of the E Streets in there? Maybe Duncanville is a long con to get Bruce Springsteen on the show. You know, we haven't been paying enough attention to Duncanville. I've heard good things. He just had Ninja on an episode. Oh, jeez.

The streamer Ninja. Hey, the Repo Depot appeared on on an episode. Oh, geez. The streamer Ninja. Hey, the Repo Depot appeared on Duncanville recently. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. It says as seen on The Simpsons underneath the sign. Cute. Yeah. Now that's, well, I know Duncan's little sister in the show is a streamer or something.

And they do actually have the kids like kids today play online streaming. So it's not so crazy that streaming guy ninja is on it i just saying that out loud makes me sad yeah ninja's the guy who talks about his braless wife bringing him a sandwich unasked for and how he can't work with people who aren't his wife exactly yeah unacceptable let's move on to bart the murderer uh joe hodgson says this episode might be the king of impressionable behavior out of all the other early episodes of the Simpsons. Charles Bronson guy telling Bart he looks cool to cigarette is one thing, but that Manhattan

Bart makes looks so good to me as a child. I think I just assumed it tasted like a cherry Coke says it looks like cola and also had a cherry. To this day, though, I've never actually tried a Manhattan. It doesn't sound like my kind of cocktail. So perhaps I'll just stick to cherry cola when the mood strikes. And yeah, I think I said it on the podcast as a kid. When I saw this, I was like, liquor looks tasty. Yes. kind of cocktail so perhaps i'll just stick to cherry cola when the mood strikes and yeah i think i said on the podcast as a kid when i saw this i was like liquor looks tasty yes oh yeah yeah and

you know what i don't like manhattans uh i don't like bitters that much i'm trying to get used to them but that's kind of like a roadblock to me and some cocktails as bitters no actually thank you uh joe hodgson for mentioning manhattans as, because I forgot one aspect of my L.A. trip I didn't mention. Since we were on Hollywood Boulevard, I decided, and it was fucking Cinco de Mayo, so every asshole is drunk on the street in downtown Hollywood. But I decided, you know what, let's be classy old Hollywood and go to Musso and Frank's. So we ate at Musso and Frank's just like Frank Sinatra did. He had so many people killed so at that table I had a Manhattan Frank Sinatra style there and yeah I was someone playing the

piano there uh no there wasn't any piano actually but was nice though it was very closed off so it actually did feel like I was teleported back in time did you order a steak no I actually had a fancy pork chop okay red meat red meat doesn't agree with me as much anymore a steak was the right thing to have there because you should be honestly i should be drinking brown liquor and deep bloody red steaks to live the muso and frank's lifestyle but instead i had a fancy pork chop that was kurobuta uh japanese pork uh it was it it was branded as like this is fancy it's from japan like it's uh i think it was sold as like this is the kobe of pork i suppose the the sinatra lifestyle is you're on your third scotch ordering your second steak yes and sexually harassing judy garland or

something and it was all right but uh it uh you know uh i wouldn't order a manhattan normally honestly in an episode we just did, a cookies and cream martini, that sounded much more tasty to me than a Manhattan. But also on Bart the Murderer, Ron Sterling says, by high school, I was the kid that missed permission slips regularly because my mom worked there.

If I forgot to get one signed, I just run to buy your classroom the period ahead of my field trip and get it taken care of. one teacher finally got fed up with it and told everyone that they had to have their slips in no later than the day before the trip naturally i didn't bother and when i showed up on the bus with a signed slip he kicked me off and sent me back into the school joke was on him though because i just waited in the eaves on the bus to pull away then went to my car and was truant to the rest of the day nice nice break oh man that's funny boy the the i didn't think of uh the the kids of

stew the students of teachers they have a lot of cheat codes there and permission slips is one of them man i i felt bad for my friend i had like i think i at least remember two kids in my class who i was friendly with who his mom worked there and i felt kind of bad for him because he he felt embarrassed that his mom was like the art teacher there you know because catholic schools are all crooked uh and like embezzling money we had like room moms which were like which were like the mothers of children who would like volunteer to do things so like a lot of kids moms are just like in the school like serving lunches and stuff man that's bullshit school you paid money to go to this yeah well is this yeah they they trick them with some god bullshit i guess so it's just like oh this is your uh service for the lord yeah man yeah work

that's crazy yeah moving on to the blunder years and talbert johnson says when i think about the episodes in this sliding quality era of the show that stuck in my craw, this one really upset teenage me more than Jockey Elves, Panda Love, or Oedipal Bart. The disregard for continuity was a big part of it, but in my memory of watching this episode, Homer's screams really grated on me and the corpse was disturbing. Of course, now as an adult with real problems, I can appreciate all the good jokes in this episode and I found Homer's screaming actually funny. Further proof that there's merit to revisiting the bad years of the show, in quotes, bad years,

if only to reflect on when I had little better to do than to get angry about TV. Oh, yes. Yeah. You know, that was the difference I felt with that Billie Eilish discourse. I was like, oh, I'm older now and not as angry as the 20-somethings who are angry about The Simpsons now. Yeah. I mean, like, if I watch something and I get mad about it simpsons now yeah i mean like if i watch something i get mad about it just like maybe i'll tweet but i probably won't in the past it would

just be like news group post immediately message board post immediately i need to tell the world how this failed me also there's so much content now that you just just watch another thing you know yeah just like oh well that made me mad i'll just watch a different thing now i'm five episodes behind on what we do in shadows i should just be watching that instead of getting mad but we have mellowed out a lot not just we're older now and also it's just like well yeah they're going to keep making the show back to spider-man 3 i think people are upset because it's like well that's it that's the end of spider-man you ruined it yeah and it's like no there's going to be seven more movies in the next 10 years don't worry it'll never stop yeah you don't have to be pissed off that there was a bad anything movie now it never ends like even death

doesn't stop people from making more of something uh silky pj says i never thought about it until now how much this episode breaks continuity even far more than something like arm and tanzarian because it doesn't end with a status quo reset heck we saw last season in bye bye nerdy where homer was beating up smithers in high school i also don't think about all of the smithers burns the sexual proclivities are a lot more creepy now if he was his surrogate dad what is this an anime i guess that's a testament to how really funny joke packed episodes can make you overlook a lot of the canon so yeah i i actually appreciate that comment because it didn't hit me like oh yeah one season earlier they did a joke of homer and

smithers are the same age in middle school and homer beats him beating him up to kung fu fighting yes yeah uh again like a very uh in terms of canon a bad episode but it's full of so many funny jokes that was a very funny episode it's funnier than like the she of little faith that follows it it's full of so many funny jokes that was a very funny episode it's funnier than like the she of little faith that follows it it's one of the funnier ones of 13 we've seen so far if you can just ignore the and even the dumb shit of like smithers jr like that's at least funny and how dumb it is spoilers also funnier than brawl in the family yes yeah we just recorded that one today guys and uh get ready for that oh that third act oh ouch yeah not for the faint of heart uh let's move on to homer define yeah we've covered a lot of simpsons episodes since we last uh did one of

these so andrew bouvier says odds are the quote-unquote one button homer needed to press to avert the meltdown was the scram button if you watch chernobyl this was the same button called the az5 button it has one job lower every control rod into the reactor control rods are made of material usually boron that absorbs atoms and other nuclear brick of rack thus preventing them from bombarding each other and maintaining critically like in a well-functioning reactor or going super critical like in a reactor with a quote-unquote unrequested fission surplus this would normally be located in a more central location like a main control room and then andrew goes on to say that it's possible homer's safety console could have been a backup

for the main control room so uh there you go apparently there is a one button you have to hit that's so funny that that's the actual thing that is the real like oh there actually is just one button i wonder you know if that's in the show chernobyl then i wonder if that was at least known to simpson's nerd or the simpson writing nerds who knew like oh well we heard in chernobyl they should have pressed this one button one button that fixes everything meltdowns hate it it should be yeah it should be clearly labeled though yeah i think so well you know homer is quite stupid he if it said scram on it he might not know what that means he might think uh he might think it means to like leave the room to run away an ejector seat perhaps yeah baccarina says on that episode as well well

nick just got himself canceled saying that the simpsons hit and run has an age well with how the internet loves that game and never shuts up about it with their endless requests for a remaster real talk though it would be great to see you on get played talking about simpsons games arcade hit and run are the best but i also Rage, though I'm not sure there's that much to say about that game with it just being Crazy Taxi with the Simpsons. The GBA version is good, though, better than the GBA version of Crazy Taxi that puts the hardware too much and suffered for it. And the 2007 game is good, too.

Hey, we'd love to be back on Get Played. We already talked about a bad one. I think they destroyed their brains talking about bad games, which is why they changed the name of their podcast. Yeah, yeah. Hey, there's good Simpsons games to talk about. Not many, but there are some. I will say, check out a friend of the show, Gary Butterfield and Cole Ross,

their podcast, Watch Out for Fireballs. They did an episode about Simpsons Hit and Run. They played it with 20-21 eyes, and it hasn't aged too well, but it's still a fun novelty. It's not an amazing game, but it was like such a mind blowing game for the time where it's like they actually made a competent Simpsons game that is also a GTA clone that has some features that even GTA doesn't have yet. And yeah, hey, actually, speaking of that, a slight tangent, you played a little of that

racing game that the King of the Hill and American Dad and Family Guy people are in. I haven't played it yet, although I want to. But it's funny because it's all your favorites from Fox. Is it Bob's Burgers there? And Bob's Burgers, too, yeah. Bob's Burgers, American Dad? No. No, American Dad, Bob's Burgers, Family Guy, King of the Hill, and Polar Opposites.

Polar Opposites, yeah. Roiland Show, yeah. But yeah, there's a King of the Hillcart Racer out, technically. And there are voice clips in it. They're taken from the show. And the odd exclusion to that is that there is no Luanne voices. So I don't know if it was a matter of like, we have to work with the estate of Brittany Murphy and all the other actors signed off on reusing these clips or what.

But it's weird that she is the only character without voice clips replace her with bill yeah replace her actually just have bill yeah we're not con recast con and then put him in the game no it can't be con even though it'd be nice to see him in his car have bill in a little tank what about that yeah yeah but well yeah the simpsons aren't in it because EA has the game rights. And that's why you'll never get any new console game because it's your fault for playing Tapped Out. If you listeners didn't play Tapped Out and make it a huge success, they might have to make a console game and try to make money that way. But since Tapped Out makes so much money, you'll never get another real Simpsons game. I guess I'm confused why American Dad is a part of the thing. Well, I guess it's okay.

It's just a rights thing. I mean, it's still Fox. Still Fox. They just sold it to TBS. Because Polar Ops is Hulu. Yes. Solar Ops is Hulu. American Dad is TBS.

And then Family Guy, Bob's Burgers, and King of the Hill is Fox. And one of the shows is not on the air anymore. So it's a real ragtag group in this. It's called Warped Cart Racers, the way what a strange name man i guess this multiverse shit i'm sick of it man i blame ricky morty i blame them and before that in the early 2010s there was like a card game like a like ios card game with all the fox characters too this is not the first time they've done this oh wow i totally forgot about i remember the like facebook family guy game i remember seeing that heavily advertised at uh at uh e3 i went to actually bob's burgers is not part of it oh man i just i created that in my memory there thank you okay

my bad so moving on to what a cartoon comments uh up next who framed roger rabbit folks there were a lot of comments and thank you so much i appreciate everyone like the podcast and a lot to say about it so it was really hard to choose two comments but and thanks for all the new signups too yes thank you so much and uh Devin Hoffarth says I don't know how true this is but according to this YouTube video and he links to it in an earlier script of the film during the theater scene Eddie claims the guy who robbed the bank and by extension Judge Doom is the hunter who shot Bambi's mother which I could see that being an early idea for him considering just how boomery and referential this film is making the villain, the guy who traumatized their generation and ours with a shoe seems like a natural idea. But again, I don't know what his sources are.

So feel free to ask him if you're suspicious of it. Great podcast. Henry, is that true? I did see that around there as people had said that was trivia and other scripts. So I did not dig up the old scripts to to find out i wouldn't be surprised that that feels like one of those things they like the script was full of so many things like oh and we wanted to do this we wanted to do that but then they couldn't and it was cut out so i could also see disney just goes like yeah we don't

want to make it the hunter who shot bambi's mom but you're right i could see that being in a draft and then dis shooting a town. Yeah. But it would have been a perfect reference. I had read that trivia too. I did forget to put that in the, or I didn't mention it in the episode too. I, you know, I was thinking too about Roger Rabbit because I was reading interviews about how they made rescue Rangers and they talk about how it was, it looks like it costs more

than it did and that they were really on a tight budget because it was not a theatrical release and i was just thinking about how like they call this the new roger rabbit but roger rabbit cost 50 million dollars then they won't spend 50 million dollars now on a rescue rangers so that's a difference time makes there and piro a rat says about roger rabbit this episode made me want to read more into the weird offshoot media that they made for it and particularly the graphic novel by marvel the resurrection of doom that serves as a proto sequel other than being a fairly straightforward movie sequel in comic form the comic sees judge doom brought back to life via a multi-plane camera

an evil ink and paint lady and the old model sheet of doom which henry plug in there that is really clever i actually really like that even more importantly doom's backstory is actually explained doom was actually a 1920s cartoon villain named baron von rotten who was known for being able to assume any role including hitler yeah there's a hitler in a kid's graphic novel until a grenade during mother goose Step permanently disfigures his eyes. Anyway, the graphic novel is a fun, short little read. I just thought it was interesting as Henry brought up the idea that his backstory would be explored in a miniseries by now. Graphic novels and comics were just what they did in the 80s and 90s when they were much cheaper to make.

So, yeah. Yeah, it's really cool. Incredibly out of print. I don't think it's too expensive to get but uh it's out there and there's also like a separate line of roger rabbit comics they made for kids right right yeah yeah i mean he was that big and the comics are easy to make and easy to sell to kids i uh honestly that doom background story of baron von rotten that's not unlike the twist reveal movie villain in wreck it ralph as well like Like very very similar the old guy who's been messing with him since then. But yeah those were both

two interesting bits of background on it and I think you guys will learn even more fun stuff about the fallout of Roger Rabbit in that What a Cartoon. Oh yeah. And he had so many great comments. Thank you all so much. I'm glad everybody enjoyed six and a half hours of us talking about Roger Rabbit. We enjoyed every

second of it second yeah it was uh big shoes to fill uh and we filled them big cartoon shoes to fill and kill and none of those shoes were murdered by us uh moving on to welcome to eltingville that was a fun episode by the way and i loved our discussion about a fan culture in 2022 yeah even evan dorkin shared it with his fans too on his patreon what's his patreon uh well it's just evan dorkin on patreon okay cool get up yeah look him up and support him and uh christmas ape says about welcome to eltingville one of the things that struck me about the era of fandom as seen in eltingville is how much of it is based on really obscure stuff old things things with cult followings or things that were failures

when they came out the buck rogers tv show they referenced so much barely lasted two seasons it reminds you that there was a time when, if you like science fiction or fantasy, you really had to dig to find things that match your interests. Now it's almost completely reversed, where it feels like almost every movie and TV show is some kind of sci-fi or fantasy thing. Another funny realization I had is that by not being picked up as a series,

Welcome to Eltingville became the exact sort of obscure cult object that the Eltingville Club would have obsessed over. And yes. Yeah, it's perfect. That really is perfect. They are now a lost bootleg thing that will be traded around on tapes at comic conventions. Yeah, they're just as forgotten as so many pilots.

And I mean, we lived through that era and I'm not nostalgic for some parts of it. And it's like when I was a kid and getting into a mystery science theater, it had just been canceled on Comedy Central. And I'm like, I just got into this show. What do I do? You got to go on the internet and find weirdos

who will hopefully send you blank tapes full of episodes if you send them money. Now it's like they're all on YouTube, either legally or illegally uploaded. They're all there and I can watch them whenever I want. I would have killed for that as a child. The availability of all this content is insane now. It is overwhelming. there's just so

much but yeah i mean well so i think like back then i watched stuff like briscoe county junior or hercules or xena which were all great shows but i also kind of watched them because there wasn't a she-hulk or spider-man show yeah and now that there is it's like well i don't need the i can just watch the straight uh the straight dope now i don't have to try new things i can just watch in the past it used to be well it's not like they're making new star wars i gotta find the next star wars and i was like there will never not be star wars and you can always watch more of it no matter what you do it will always exist uh joe hodgson says on that same episode as a self-admitted toy boy the argument of what is needed for a display hits too close to home i'm the type who has multiple foot soldiers in his tmnt displays yes displays because you need to represent all forms

of media the turtles have appeared in even though i'm just buying the same figure over and over again and it does become a compulsion i've been buying neca's tmnt figures based on the original cartoon for the past few years and i'm buying characters i barely remember smash kerma and i even have two versions of vernon when do i say enough is enough i don't know but probably soon because i'm running out of room i'm just glad there's a vernon action figure there's more than one two different vernons man yeah uh it's just like a previous guest on the show mike carlson he talks a lot about his mini ninja turtle mommy i want the catty gay man co-worker figure. The Channel 6 newsroom

won't be complete without him. It's true. Moving on, talking Futurama, A Pharaoh to Remember and Harry Thornton says there's so much more about Simon Wells that wasn't mentioned here. By the way, this is Bob speaking. Simon Wells directed the Time Machine remake. Right. Just to let you know what he's talking about here. Moving

back to Harry's comment. His filmmaking background is animation, not live action. He helped direct, either with others or solo, all the films released by Spielberg's Amblemation Studios and American Tail of Alpha Goes West. We're back at Dinosaur Story and Balto while their employees were absorbed into DreamWorks and he got to co-direct The Prince of Egypt. the nepotistic novelty of hg wells grandson making it and found the experience of making a live action film so stressful and exhausting that with just a few weeks left of filming he dropped out and gore verbinski had to step in and finish the film shoot his most recent directorial work was yes mars needs moms and the infamously bad image movers digital film that set records for how much of a flop it was i assume that'd be the last time he'd ever get to direct, but according to IMDb, he is directing a film

based on the UK children's book series Tom Gates. Wow, man. I didn't know Simon Wells was such an animation guy. It's all things we haven't covered yet, so yeah. It sounds like some of these animation guys don't make the transition to live action very well. Like Brad Bird, he did a successful Mission Impossible, then tomorrowland

uh andrew stanton uh did that uh mars movie john john carpenter john carpenter wait john carter see that's how bad the title is yeah that's right yeah and uh yeah i guess maybe frank tashlin is one of the few who made the transition oh that's true that's a good one yeah yeah i yeah i didn't that's funny all this mention of inflammation and Mars needs moms and the other image movers things that comes up. Those topics come up a bit in our Roger Rabbit sequel episode. Yeah. Also on a fair to remember, Graham Robinson says, I really enjoy the subversion of the ancient alien tropes implied by the slave master telling Fry that his people learned pyramid building from the ancient Egyptians instead of the other way around.

Also that the ancient Egyptians taught them space travel as well. Very funny joke that I missed on previous watches. So yeah, that was pretty funny. Me and Bob were so focused on the inaccuracies of Egyptian slavery in there or also just the many jokes about killing slaves that are just kind of depressing. Again, these Futurama jokes can be sneaky. There's like hidden jokes yeah they're too it's uh it's like a hidden parenthetical and a math problem or something like oh you missed that part like this it is a very like math-based comedy even in the way they just hide jokes yeah moving on to talking in the hill our episode all about

hank's dirty laundry talk a lot about pornography hope you enjoyed it and purple comment says i went to an adult bookstore a few years ago i went in to get directions on how to get away from there and i was shocked to discover they still rent porn this is in an area with easy access to broadband internet or even 5 slash 4g cell phone data so there's plenty of ways to access internet porn i assume that the customers skewed older and male but plenty of elderly people are on the internet these days are they keeping their businesses afloat by renting to luddites and yeah in my hometown there was a porno theater until like right before covid it was like the foster theater

and it was like it was a legit theater when it was built and then it became a porn theater in the 70s and never stopped and there was like an investigative article about it like what like what's going on here but like they were selling subscriptions to come to the theater they changed their business model for the old pervs who couldn't adapt with the times wow so you just walk in like hey i've got my subscription all right then watch today's movie i need to jerk off in public yes yeah oh god no i guess it's got to just be for the lights or for the dales of the world who are like i'm not going online. They'll take my information.

Yeah, they'll read my history. When I'm in Vancouver, occasionally we walk by one of these big porn warehouses and they have a big sign that says, if we don't have it, they don't make it. That's quite a claim. Yeah. We never go in there. You only ask for how to get away from it. Exactly. And finally, our last comment is

from paul on uh that same episode when it comes to music and pornography up until very recently only four or five years ago there was still softcore movies being produced and aired on cinemax and showtime which always had original music there were like 10 or 15 songs and they would just mix them up and every movie would have three or four of the songs and they'd make like a dozen a year definitely not in the style of the hacky music mentioned in this episode but some of these songs are honest to god laugh laugh out loud hilarious one was just a cover of smooth by santana with the notes changed just barely enough to be legally distinct so well if you try to sue you admit you just watch the porn right oh you'd be so embarrassed

i'm actually shocked i guess i wasn't if you'd ask me like does cinemax and showtime still make softcore stuff i would say well they must right like that stills a bit but why would they like you you also i would guess you know hbo max doesn't have an after dark section i feel like in the streaming future you wouldn't want to have actual pornography on the thing even with parental guidance on things like netflix or uh or cinemax you know i guess there are some people that have not moved on i remember this is pretty old maybe 2017 2016 someone did like a profile on eminem and like went to his house and he's like here's my room full of pornography and it was like tons of dvds and the interviewer was like you can get this on your phone dude and eminem didn't know

that it's like so funny there's porn on the internet eminem i mean but that cinemax especially it's like that era of softcore porn i had pals who were like oh wow they we've got we've got cinemax for the weekend and i'm gonna turn down the volume very low on my tv and hopefully my mom won't be at like 1145. Watch the Red Shoe Diaries, Maryland Chambers, Bedtime Stories and the like. Yeah. Which but it's like, I don't know. What is the purpose of soft core now?

Even in like for the joy of a young kid who can watch it while their parents are at home are not like asleep. You just were watching hardcore hardcore hardcore penetration on your phone what do you need to watch softcore with this lack of genitals especially if you say want to see a penis you don't even get that in the straight if i if a friend showed me straight pornography as a kid at least if it was hardcore i could see a penis but in softcore you couldn't get it you know yeah and they cut away before the money shot as jerry blank says and also those guys the guys in it they all are the exact same type of guy like a they're just a slab of meat for a woman to like

grind against they're not even that attractive but it's true that's my review of skin and max porn right it's like it's like an andy uh what andy rooney style complaints what's going on with porn these days but apparently cinemax and showtime they don't even have their after dark content anymore i'm shocked to learn. But boy, what a long episode of Talk to the Audience. Yes. Yeah. We had a lot of catching up to do.

A lot has happened. We recorded the last one really early. We're recording this one like a few days before it goes live. So a lot has happened. And thanks for sticking with us. We've done a ton of great stuff. We're really proud of Roger Rabbit. Toy Story 3, that podcast.

If you're on the Patreon, it's out very soon. If you're on the free feed, you'll get a preview of it very soon as well that's another big one and little mermaids coming up this summer and then a lot of other fun stuff more king of the hill more futurama more simpsons you know what we do yeah you're gonna love it guys and you know what next month is a special anniversary for me and bob's uh as well and uh i think we have a little little something yeah a little surprise for all you out there and some other we have some really cool guests in june coming your way too and uh we're recording some july ones today as well or this week as well that uh we've got some great guests we've we've got uh some great returning folks as well as two people that me and bob have wanted to

have on as two on two separate episodes that we've been wanting to have as guests for a long time chasing them for years. We got them. Yes, we finally. Well, one hasn't been recorded yet, so I think we got them. Yes. I think we got them. Fingers crossed.

But yes, thanks again for listening, folks. We'll see you again next month for another episode of Talk to the Audience. Take care. Wow. Infotainment.