Talking Simpsons - Talk to the Audience?!? - November 2020

Episode Date: December 9, 2020

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I heartily endorse this event or product. Mackie and I'm always tickled by a WKRP in Cincinnati reference and who's here with me today hey it's Henry Gilbert and I am still steamed that we got overlooked for the dough boys in a parody scene we got robbed so yes welcome to talk to the audience in case you don't know what this is this is our monthly community show and on this show we talk about what's happening in the Simpsons world in an our world and then we respond to the questions and comments that you left on our past months worth of episodes and this will post at the end of the month for patreon and beginning Simpsons world in an R world. And then we respond to the questions and comments that you left on our past months worth of episodes. And this will post at the end of the month for Patreon and beginning of the

month for the free feed of Talking Simpsons. We take it a little easier. It's a relaxed fit week. And, you know, it's also our most topical one because, you know, you just listened last week to one we recorded in August, but this we were recording within 36 hours of when it goes live on the patreon it's true and we just recorded a three-hour podcast about

a certain show yes we're going to announce and uh yeah so i might be a little loopy in fact you didn't hear all the amount of times i screwed up the intro hopefully uh but uh yeah this is always fun to talk about what happened in the the week that was or the month that was and this is also fun to just finally i think this is the second or third podcast we recorded after the election where we don't have to now just say god we don't know what happens after the election like now yeah i've been listening to talking futurama because i don't remember what we said on those and there's so many times we're like we don't know what's happening please we're sorry i hope it turned out okay yeah unfortunately hey the the best case scenario uh definitely happened uh the election is

still happening i think i guess according to some people yeah if uh you gotta trust rudy giuliani on these things if but uh it was quite a month of simpsons news in general this november was uh with i guess uh at the top i wanted to talk about just the new episodes that came out this last month at the start of the month because we couldn't talk about it last time because it was airing the next week after halloween but treehouse of horror 31 aired which is written by previous talking simpsons guest julia prescott i think previously we might have said she wrote a segment she wrote the whole thing i was shocked to find that yeah i thought it was just a segment i had missed that mostly i think tree houses are now written by one

writer instead of doing the three writer thing uh but yeah so she wrote the entire thing so what i mean that is quite an assignment to get for your first Simpsons script as a freelancer to get to write the treehouse. That's crazy. That's incredible. And we should really talk to her about it at some point. Yeah, I definitely congratulated her on Twitter. I thought it was pretty funny that a person on Twitter did a tweet to me, you, Allie,

and Julia saying, did you watch the newest treehouse? I thought it was pretty funny. and I just let it hang there then Julia was like I think I I think I know the right she did some joke about it but yeah it uh the the treehouse itself I did think it was pretty good uh and I wouldn't just say that because she's our friend but I thought especially the Toy Story parody was the best like the the Simpsons all in 3D looked really good. Looks better than the ride, but that was 13 years ago. It felt like a pilot for like, you guys could just regularly do this, I think, with all these character models. Like you already made them.

But I also think there was a little bit to it that felt like it was written by a super analytical fan of the show where they reference like the headless malibu stacy and the evil crusty doll or even the um what was it the like puppy foo-foo or something like this is like a puppy goo-goo puppy goo-goo there's a puppy goo-goo reference in it fetch me a dream it starts the strongest with that one the second segment is the into the spider-verse parody of homer and the homer verse and it's good but it kind of loses the plot and it should reference things homer is instead of like well no this is the homer from the hannah barbara universe this is the homer from the disney princess universe stuff like that it's it's all right uh it's it's honestly too rushed because it's like they have to not only have homer meet all his other homers but also fight monty burns who has an army of burnses that's a big idea for

a four-act show one act of a four-act show yeah more like a three and a half act show but yeah and the third segment was a parody of happy death day which was the groundhog day but horror movie one and uh it was just an interesting change of pace like violence is rarely done to lisa we already recorded our treehouse 11 podcast and i noted how like in the opening parody of month of the monsters every simpson is killed except for lisa so that's why in this one it being a happy death day parody you watch lisa die like a dozen times and it's kind of shocking at first but uh it was it was a good parody too of a recent film parody a not bad one so I it was one of my favorite tree houses I've seen in a while unfortunately I'm a bit behind but I did watch the one that aired uh yesterday

as of this recording yes yeah which we're gonna go way deeper into that in its own episode next week actually you've seen it i haven't watched it yet what what initial thoughts on road to cincinnati uh it's really good of course we were there for the table read i have not looked at the script again yet so i'm not sure uh what uh was cut out but the biggest laughs from the table read i remember they are in the show all right okay i i look forward my plan is to give it a watch regular and then pulling out my script. And also I saw, you know, very helpfully, Matt Selman did like kind of a mini thread about the episode on Twitter for some extra trivia. He normally does that pretty often for shows. I watched a lot of New Simpsons this month. I also watched the episode Podcasted News, which was notable for a couple reasons.

One, it was the Simpsons Does Podcast episodes, though it really is about true crime podcasts specifically, not about other podcasts. I mean, they're big, and we got snubbed, and I take it personally, of course, as the number one Simpsons podcast, but also for doing a true crime podcast, they didn't get my boys at last podcast on the left on the show. Yeah, you're right.

It's a little, I guess maybe they're a little too spicy. I think so. Too spicy for Fox. But our friends, the Doughboys did get drawn into it. Yes, Nick. Nick Weiger, a previous guest on the show and a person we'd love to have as a guest but he's a busy man mitch mike mitchell the podcast news episode it makes sense that like okay lisa would be listening to cereal and then marge starts listening and they kind of unite in listening to it together like that's that's

interesting it made me think that uh when we talked to dan granny a few years ago he mentioned a thing he pitched that james l brooks didn't like and i was examining the mr burns uh shooting through like a podcast yeah because uh a crime podcast are a big deal and i wonder if any kind of germ of that became this yeah you know i want i mean it also because she appeared in it as herself it also is about how yardley smith currently has a true crime podcast called small town dicks so and she appears as herself in the episode i another interesting thing about the concept is that it's that kent brockman uh becomes a true crime podcaster so seeing him what it's weird it makes his character design look way different now when he stands around newly designed characters yeah

it's uh it's it's funny how much more human like the new characters look yeah but it also made me think like boy everybody who kent is based on died like 15 years ago and now now seeing him start a podcast feels very strange why any episode was written by david x cullen his first simpson since treehouse nine come crawling back i think that's fun that like he did two disenchantments it just seems like that he will just take on a one-off script here and there but won't move back to los angeles no that's the best way to do things and the episode was sorry it was a tribute to alex trebek they did oh there's like there's like a title card at the end like a a memory of Alex Trebek because he was on the show. But one thing they did, which I found was odd, was so the episode where Marge was on Jeopardy.

Which one was that again? Oh, that was Miracle on Evergreen Terrace. That's right. Like for just a really brief gag scene. So the shot they use is the establishing shot of the Jeopardy set where Alex Trebek is very tiny. And, you know, that's an older image. And, you know, the resolution is much lower. So in that image, what they do is they only redraw alex trebek that's odd and it looks there's like an hd alex trebek standing in like an sd world and it's very ugly and it's like either redraw the whole thing or

don't do it because it feels insulting and i and i check out the episode the only other shot of trebek is of him and his goons oh that's why they wouldn't do it when you're saying goodbye to alex you're like well the best shot of alex we have is with him and the goon saying she's not getting the home version uh you're right they can't really do that shot or just get an artist that likes take five minutes and draw a simpsons alex trebek we can just jam in here at the end just be well just pull out the old character model like there please draw that yeah this character model it felt like a not it felt like a weird compromise either just show the original still from the episode or don't it just it was weird it feels like a late choice of like oh that like maybe

they somebody in post-production had that still up and then another person thought that looks like crap here we gotta redraw that it's like i guess it's a thought that counts but uh it's very nice yeah but but yeah as a podcaster i liked watching it but definitely it seemed to have the opinion of like well people just sit around on a couch with like one mic it's like or they record it through the iphone i'm like it's the that's not a podcasting work these are the uh podcast opinions of the 50 to 60 year old simpsons writers where it's just like well cereal is the first podcast of course and there was nothing before that. Yeah.

Yeah. They do have a good joke about vocal fry on podcasts though. I did like that. And there's, I, I forget the specifics of it, but there was one line that felt like a Cohen. There should have been more classic Cohen wordplay.

That is that we bring up in every Futurama there. There wasn't enough of that. I wonder if it wasn't in his script or it just got rewritten over through the rewrite process but yeah a strong a strong month of interesting new episodes of the simpsons that you can just watch the next day on hulu so the talking simpsons death curse strikes once again uh and we have finally killed conan o'brien's talk show that's yes the talk show that we got to see live in person uh it'll be two years in February I think it will be yeah yeah uh that on Valentine's Day that yeah that was we got to see the Conan show and now he has announced that his TBS show which had previously

been an hour shrunk to half an hour that is ending in July or I think in June and in July he becomes it's going to be a weekly variety show on HBO Max exclusively you know what that makes a lot of sense to me because even though I enjoyed the taping of that TBS show I'm like why why are we still doing this like there's another way for Conan to work to not to not be like this like like super super boiled down like talk show like he could be in a much bigger thing and i feel like he's bigger than that so uh well and like there's barely time to breathe in that like 22 minute show totally it's too it was too tight they want it's not the best like platform for conan anymore for what he does

and probably i would think he's rethinking it in general just after the whole covid stuff like he he had to be filming it from home every day he couldn't even have the audience that he loves to play with like yeah it's just why even do it yeah i mean he's an amazing performer and it was so fun to see him and meet him it was like one of the greatest experiences of my life but i'm i was also thinking like we don't need this format anymore like he should be freed from this format he's bigger than this format now yeah i think uh i think this probably will be a good move for conan and i mean on top of that like he is now uh he's the inventor of podcasts he's like he's i forgot he invented them too uh but i mean he has

gotten into the podcasting space and is not just doing his own one which like he only does it weekly for like three months at a time and then takes time off like what are these seasons of podcasts honestly but now he's like a producer of other people's podcasts too so he's he's definitely uh i think he's more into the podcast now i suppose you know i'm really looking forward to the for this that bubble to burst because i'm sick of these hollywood weirdos horning in our territory we failed out of traditional business that's why we're doing this you have your platform already why do you need mine why why do you need to be a rich person like well you told me tim robbins started a patreon for a podcast what i mean everyone deserves money for their work but

tim robbins does not deserve a patreon no unless he's giving it to everybody who isn't famous that works on his thing like just if you want to do a weekly silly liberal podcast tim robbins then just pay it with like the what he probably gets just on residuals from one movie he was in is what we make in a month on a patreon or that susan sarandon alimony that's rolling in every month oh man yeah also that moving from tbs to hbo max like that's where warner wants to put their dollars now too if they're gonna pay a fat paycheck to an industry legend i will say now for conan i think he has reached legend status if they're gonna spend that much money put them up make people sign up for hbo max to see it instead the only other talk show they have on hbo max is the Elmo one, which is just kind of weird.

I'm just thinking about how old Conan is. And like, he is kind of like our Jerry Lewis. That's true. But talented and not bitter. We mean it in the nicest way. Like if you saw Jerry Lewis like in the early 90s, that's what Conan is now. Like we grew up with him. I, yeah, when this was announced, I read a couple uh bits from interviews i'd never

seen before of conan kind of reflecting on his age and he's just like you know he's like oh did i make an impact or anything he talked about how he like visited i think it was harding's tombstone and he has he's like i know presidential history and he's was a very popular president and now i can just walk up to it nobody cares it's any other tombstone everything's forgotten he was in that kind of mindset for that interview wow i mean that's why i'm a podcaster that way there'll always be a trace of me they're just too much too much content it'll never go away yeah it's uh there's gonna be too much to make a biography on all these biographers of like charles schultz or jim henson they have to like spend years going through the addicts of these people and you need all this access now every famous person has said

every single thing on 800 different podcasts i record every one of my thoughts every day nothing is a mystery the the chill the grandchildren of our generation will just be like i know enough about these people i don't need to hear it i don't need to hear the 10 other podcasts my grandfather made and we have more news uh there was a oral history of marge versus the monorail by sean cole advice and i did like this one the oral histories i don't like are ones just copy anecdotes from the commentary and don't interview anyone this one is actually good not a whole lot of new stuff came out of it but it's nice to hear just like uh just new new like blurbs from the writers there's nothing like relevatory in here but i did like hearing just like new reflections i i liked hearing

jeff martin's side of it i liked hearing gene and reese talk about it but most interesting to me and it was hearing david silverman talk about it and Rich Moore. They got them both because like, you know, Rich Moore on the commentary for years ago, he just has to laugh about it because it's just them telling Conan stories about what is really the best episode he ever directed animation wise. And he can't talk about it at all. Although I will say Cape Fear is probably tied with this one in my mind for direction. That's Rich Moore's best episode.

You're right. But this is close to it. and i just love them talking about how exhausted they were how it pushed them to the limit and also i think it was silverman or martin who just said like i guess this is just every episode now is a giant movie it's not that this is its own movie it's that every episode is has to be a giant movie and And Al Jean talking about working 100 hours a week. Yes. I remember on one of the commentaries, James R. Brooks was like, you weren't working that long. He's like, we were. We were.

Well, of course, his boss doesn't want to believe it. But yeah, I mean. I was only making you work on two different shows. Yeah, you have to create an entire show for me while also show running our most popular thing. I absolutely believe they probably more than one week was a hundred hour week i definitely think that and also good reflections on phil hartman oh yeah yeah what a huge a huge gift he was to that show yeah i and it's just great hearing jeff martin also in that just had a funny aside of just saying his memory of working

on that show was working with a bunch of brilliant people who he watched age and get fatter very quickly i saw jay cogan followed up with that and say like i i came to the show fat already i won't blame the show that yeah so check that out on vice i always like to see these and it's always fun to see new anecdotes and just remembering phil hartman is nice too yeah and uh so yeah the the drippy oozy uh disgusting man mayor giuliani former mayor giuliani uh was recently compared to lionel hutz but bill oakley said no way on twitter uh to quote him he said i am dubious of any comparisons between rudy giuliani and lionel hutz because although they are both inept and unscrupulous mr hutz is essentially a

good-hearted soul who doesn't actively work to harm people or the nation so honestly the only thing that makes giuliani like a simpsons character is that he married his attractive cousin he's a shelby villian through it's true yeah but uh i recommend checking out the citations needed podcast about giuliani where people are like oh what a fall from grace no he always sucked oh just he had very good PR by existing next to 9-11 yeah he fully laundered himself through like a bunch uh a horrible crime and just by standing next to it that is just like fucking uh Cuomo yeah who wrote the book how I dealt with COVID in October and now it's only worse no and New York is a huge hot spot for that guy yeah i mean that guy cuomo and trump are the same person like definitely both but giuliani i mean his insanity

the last month has been pretty funny to see it's amazing seeing those elderly men fall apart on tv like we are still getting over four seasons like landsca landscaping debacle. What a great day. Where like, it's still, I'm still processing it because I watched it. And before he came on, it just like, it's a microphone in front of a dirty wall. And I'm like, what's happening? And then the rest of what happened unfolded. And it's so surreal that like, I'm still processing what happened. Like it's, it's bizarre.

And him just leaking his hair dye standing around too. Like it's, uh, and, and that he just thinks that he still looks so good. Because he's insane. He's an old insane man. I just love, like Chapo was pointing out, Chapo Trap House, the podcast, just how constantly moist he is. He's always dabbing his sweaty body and face.

Disgusting man. Oh man, that photo of his shoes too. Lionel Hutz would wear better shoes than that guy but it's also that yeah again we're shouting out other podcasts that did great commentary on it the michael and us uh our friends on that podcast they covered the rudy giuliani uh james woods uh bio movie which they they talk about how like even in this like loving biography of him that's made to like stand him up they still have to be like even in this like loving biography of him that's made to like stand him up they still have to be like well he did like cheat on his wife a bunch and he's

like kind of racist and all these even in the nice thing it's uh but they they pull up these things i had never heard it before the bit about george carlin saying like we need a guy like rudy giuliani and they're like yeah 9-11 affected us all even the great saintly George Carlin yeah uh it's very very sad but yeah uh Giuliani uh he had just dripping his way all over the place hopefully there'll be more public embarrassments in the future for him and uh binging with Babish I know you're a big fan of this series Henry they recently it's this YouTube channel where they make uh food from like fictional series is that correct yes yeah and steam tams was one of his first ones but when he did it the first time it was actually making uh just a burger making a burger that looks like the

burger he didn't actually steam burgers but this time he did it again with another youtube channel and he steamed up hamburgers uh and in the way that a one restaurant that does it does it and when he made it he's like nah not very good it tastes he basically said it tasted like cafeteria steam tray food uh he was not a fan of it but our friend bill oakley also guest starred in it yeah that's right wishing him well and saying like hey good i've never tried these actually steamed ham people are telling me they taste good. And so they gave it a shot. But I mean, how can, when I eat a burger,

the charring and the smokiness of it is part of what I like about it. Steam seems to be the exact opposite of that. You don't want like a, I don't know, just, I mean, that's why Chalmers was right to be suspicious of the steamed hams. Yeah, despite the fact they are obviously grilled. I mean, I don't like, when I was eating meat me i didn't like sweaty roast beef or anything like that it's

gross i like a nice charred grilled thing when i was eating meat yeah so uh but but yeah the binge eating was babbage thing it's fine if you want to see what steaming a ham really looks like including like it's not just steaming the meat they steam the cheese they steam the bun they they steam it all oh may i see it yeah i know oh damn it still and finally our last bit of news is that some british show uh apparently they have tv shows in britain but it's called strictly come dancing well that just sounds filthy to me and uh they did a simpsons thing where these two people did it like a routine as the simpsons frankly it looks like a porn parody is about to break out it really does but yeah it's uh starring people who are famous to british people to me i don't know who they are but i i wanted to mention it just because like listeners uh definitely some

some nice people on twitter have said hey did you see this did you see this this is us saying yes we saw it and i i have no comment at all but a a very, very good job. I mean, whenever, whenever anyone dresses like a Simpson, it's just horrifying and freakish. I only, the name Come Dancing, which now I've never done Come Dancing. It's just sounding filthier, but I only know it from like, I think it was on The Office or Extras. I just knew it as a thing. Somebody would say, oh, you see him on Come Dancing last night. Now I know what it is it is a reality dance show that you guys have we have different dancing shows in america just like on

the office when they talked about comedy relief and like red nose day and all that crap like okay okay british people calm down they keep trying to make red noses happen here i'd go on the walgreens and they're like it's red nose day here i'm like that's for england i don't give a shit about you want to throw this away i'll give to charity i'm not saying the charity is bad i just i i am not an anglophile i reject these red noses keep keep them on your side of the atlantic but red noses yes red dwarf uh no wait other way around other way around uh talking simpsons news so uh we're gonna break our format once again we're playing curveball with you guys and uh next week we're going to be covering this season's road to cincinnati episode with special guest nina matsumoto because we were all there at the table read we can tell you what's in the original script what made the

cut and what didn't and what we remember from the table read the best moments that got the most laughs yeah we've been looking forward to this for a long time uh you know the the story they always say is like oh it's nine months to make an episode you know it's it's like a baby they say that but we went to that table read 13 months ago by the time we record it so to get it now after so i mean that's because it's a holdover episode from season 31 that's why or yeah because we're 32 now yeah so i've been dying to watch this i haven't watched it yet at the time of this recording but but I am really looking forward to it. And also looking forward to talking about it with our,

with our good buddy, Nina Matsumoto. She is my buddy through and through and other news in case you missed our update, we posted it to the free feed and the Patreon and podcast form, but starting in 2021, we're going to be alternating between seasons two and 12 for the whole year.

We have a lot of fun guests lined up. We already recorded like three or four for each season so far so really fun so far and we are getting so much more out of our season 2 revisit once again i'm like oh this will be easy but no it's like oh i gotta find out all these things i never touched the first time so it's been so so much fun to like look into things for the first time re-examining things now that we have more time to look into them it's been great i do believe our dancing homer one is five times longer than the original version the original one is 30 minutes and our final one is two hours and 30 minutes so with a really great guest i think you'll enjoy all of them well you don't want to spoil them yet but you guys will like it yeah so you know we had considered just doing two and then 12 but now

that after chatting it up with uh between ourselves and with the commenters and now after doing them i really do like the going at first it felt slightly schizophrenic of like talking about a 1990 episode and then in 2001 but now it's just a lot of fun it's a shake up the flavor yeah we were stuck in the year 2000 between talking simpsons and talking futurama for a long time so it's nice to just bounce back and forth between 90 and 2000 again. And this does mean we don't have to talk about a post 9-11 Simpsons until 2022. So that's a plus. And also, yeah, it's interesting to talk about them

when one season is 20 years old now and the other is 30 years old. Actually, in the same week, we did an episode of The Simpsons that aired on May 7th, 2000 and Futurama that aired on May 7th, 2000 because that was my 18th birthday man that's fun yeah yeah all the fun birthday talk unplanned unplanned and uh yeah check out the patreon for our interview with uh bill kopp he's the creator of eek the cat i worked on the original simpsons shorts and did so many other things but we talked to him for about half an hour a really fun guest a great guy and that interview is on the patreon is on the free feed as well uh it will be this week okay it will yeah we've uh we've now been posting the interviews a week later like we do the rest of them it was a nice uh you know

thanksgiving day surprise for uh for our patreon listeners i hope i hope everybody enjoyed it you know it was i i put in a a clip of eek the cat at the very beginning just so people can really know how eerie it is to talk to him and hear eek the cat's voice his voice is not that much different i do like his voice a lot and he's i i mean i'd love to chat with him again in the future i i think he'd like to too but just hearing he no he seems like just a fun guy who has worked everywhere in in american animation for the last 35 years like that that's quite a career and and that's not the only interview though yeah i think you guys can look forward to one pretty soon maybe even more than one pretty soon but we've we've got

some cool stuff cooking that's for sure also we hope you're enjoying uh futurama season two part two we recorded that in the last two weeks of September, so pretty far away from that recording, but it'll be continuing. The posting will be continuing until the end of the month, and the final episode will launch a few days before Christmas just to give you time to listen to it in case you're busy around that time of the year. Yes, yeah, do it a little earlier, I think.

I think you folks will enjoy it. I hope you're all... We've had lots of fun comments, and it's just been awesome to go to Morbotron and share those images. Making GIFs on Futurama, that'll've had lots of fun comments and it's just been awesome to like go to morbotron and share those images you know making gifts on futurama that'll be a lot of fun and i i think in 2021 you know who knows uh just a reminder folks if we if we hit the fifteen thousand dollar goal on our patreon in signups uh that means futurama becomes Futurama becomes a monthly podcast in addition to us doing two yearly mini series so yeah so if we hit 15,000 which seems pretty likely at this point

maybe in the next few months we'll hit it it'll just be a regular monthly series and we'll have like 100 months to go through the rest of the series and it'll it'll be a fun extra thing to hear at the end each month on top of the what a cartoon movie we do so a brief personal update for me because you're a listener which means you're my friend based on how podcasts work i got a little music for this if i could just play it here under my my speech here that's right everybody i'm leaving the country but not permanently of course but i finally got permission to go to canada so thank you, Justin Trudeau. You finally came through to me. In case you are not aware, my fiance Nina Matsumoto, she's a guest on the show fairly often. I was on RetroNuts 2. We were engaged and married and we were going to get

married in April, but then something happens. I forget what it was, but it just kicked the wedding down the road. But yeah, I've not seen her since march 5th but i'm flying out on december 15th to finally see my fiancee be with her again and get married in canada uh in january so yeah it's gonna happen it's finally gonna happen and maybe uh i'll sound a bit happier on this podcast but i think i've kept it together fairly well over the past uh nine months it's been a long nine months it really has i i feel for even it also feels like no time has passed at all it's true or a decade has passed it feels like frankly we were in april right now but yes i love canada hope to be living there one day but we talked about this before it's not going to affect our recording schedule at all in fact we're recording like super in advance and i'll in fact

i'll be recording from neen as a few things uh just to keep up with things probably the next talk to the audience i'll be recording in canada well. And, uh, yeah, so no interruptions on that side of things. And finally, uh, I get to, uh, go to Canada again and see my fiance, which is great. Yes. Yeah. You know, you're gonna, uh, you will have to quarantine for a couple weeks. Unfortunately we are prepared for that. Yeah. I mean, Hey, now you can watch all of some cartoon shows too. Like I, I hope the one i really hope you watch is toy story 4 i've been really wanting to see that i think we finally will but uh yeah and also spider-man far from home because i know uh nina is a big spider-man

fan and it's killing me not to be able to talk about things that happened in the second spider-man movie i'm sure we'll see that one too it's gonna be a lot of binge watching a lot of game playing a lot of like sleeping in which is gonna be nice which i have not been able to do oh yeah it will be nice yeah it's it's uh so it's sort of a vacay it is it's mostly vacation finally that damn bird's off my back for once i'm so happy for you bob i really am i am counting the days for you to finally be able to to go back to to vancouver and and and finally see nina i know it's now it's been tough and and me and all the all the listeners are just so happy for you thank you so much but yes I'm excited about that and uh like we said we've been working

way in advance to account for this for the entire quarantine we knew it was going to happen at some point so that's why we've recorded like episodes for March already we're way ahead of things we are very very ahead we're recording another March podcast this week so I think even now we're inching towards April so back to podcast news we have our december schedule already hot off the presses here and i mentioned we recorded a three hour podcast right before this and that podcast was the first one this week for what a cartoon and that is animaniacs the 2020 reboot we're covering episode eight so i could tell you that was a really fun podcast we talked so much about both the entire new season and one specific episode and the and the surprisingly complex history of this series uh mostly because

it was made during quarantine yeah a lot of it was it's uh bob did a lot of great research on this we learned a ton about it and it was just cool like i think the first 40 minutes is just our review of the whole season like which if you haven't watched the whole season well we do spoil a couple episode jokes but it's uh it's pretty good i i think in general it's pretty good and you just watch it all on hulu so yeah that's next week and up next so we have two christmas things in a row so the first one is a garfield christmas special which is a fun heartwarming adventure with the garf yeah i know henry's uh henry's a big a bigger garfield fan than me

but i'm a big fan i grew up with this one as well yeah no a ton of nostalgia this this is one made for 80s kids but we had so much fun about i think i literally say out loud and then like look just can say i love this because i saw it as a kid and maybe it doesn't mean anything to you but i just love talking about garfield again and someday we'll do a garfield and friends i i know it but it was just great to go back to Garf so up after Garfield another Christmas thing so you've been waiting for it for uh we've been doing what a cartoon for almost three total years so finally we are heading on down to South Park we're covering South Park the episode of Very Crappy Christmas uh the I believe fourth season Christmas special which actually covers the origins of the show so it's a way to talk about South Park in general

and the origins all in one nice, tidy episode. Yes, yeah. And it also is a very long episode too, I think. Yeah. Because me and Bob have very conflicted feelings about the South Park we loved as a kid and what we know about the creators now and especially disagreeing with a lot of their opinions.

So, I mean, we worked hard to really cover South Park from all angles on there. And I definitely, I think both of us were worried about, like, we don't just want to celebrate a show that has especially such, like, toxically transphobic opinions still to this day. We try to cover as much of it as possible. Obviously, we can't, it's like,

the show has been running for almost 25 years. So we're going to miss a few things. But I think we were fairly comprehensive. And who knows? We might return to it someday. So yeah, finally covering South Park. I know everyone's going to be happy about that. And then our movie for the end of the month.

So if you're on the free feed or the $5 feed, you'll hear a free preview of that movie podcast. If you're on the $10 feed at patreon.com slash Talking Simpsons, you'll hear the whole movie. And that is our discussion of the end of evangelion the evangelion movie from 1997 yeah you know is is there a better way to end 2020 than watching an apocalyptic film like the end of evangelion i think not i mean it is well we just said that about south park but probably just as complicated a film as south park is a show like The End of Evangelion. We haven't recorded the regular episode, the movie discussion yet, but the history section was a lot of fun to record. And I found a lot of quotes from people who worked with Hideki Anno crapping on Hideki Anno, which was pretty funny.

But yeah, I'm looking forward to that one. It all returns to nothing as we finish out the year with End of Evangelion. With a giant head floating in the water. Will it be yours? Stay tuned. And so we can announce our What a Cartoon Movie poll for January, and you can vote on this if you're on the Patreon, the $5 level or higher.

And my idea was just like, I was thinking like, oh, I want to talk about the Dexter's Lab movie, Ego Trip, but I want there to be other selections patreon the five dollar level or higher and my idea was just like i was thinking like oh uh i want to talk about the dexter's lab movie ego trip but i want there to be other selections that are similar and i was like yeah cartoon network made a few of these movies no they made like 30 of these direct-to-video things so so many specials they did yeah i was just i was not checked into this world at this time so i didn't know oh there are two billy and mandy movies well sure so yeah our january movie poll is going to be uh any number of these cartoon network specials that number actually is four so uh they are in order uh dexter's lag ego trip uh billy and mandy wrath of the spider queen the foster's home for imaginary friends uh movie

destination imagination and the seldom seen special flintstones on the rocks yeah you know we might be doing flintstones in the future uh but i i so it's another reason i i like uh that's my dark horse pick in this one not to tell you how to vote listener but flintstones on the rocks is so interesting because it it aired once and never was seen again i think because it was seen as too hot for tv or at least a little too much edge on the on the vitamin salesman the sims of the flintstones this is okay a preview of when we do a flintstones podcast we both but i think me more than you constantly say simpsons when we mean yeah yeah yeah and we can't not say it but anyway uh any of those four is a great pick make

your voice heard in the poll which will be definitely live by the time you're hearing this. Yabba dabba doo to the polls, as they say. And I guess we could talk about what we've been playing and watching in our free time. We normally just do that just to talk about other kinds of media that are not specifically cartoons that we're covering for the show. And in gaming, I've been playing a ton of stuff. I finished up a ton of things to clear my plate for the new consoles and the new games. Finished Luigi's Mansion, which I think I complained about before. It's a good game, but it should be like half as long as it is. I get it. My thing with Luigi's Mansion is, okay, I get it. fun, and I did enjoy the experience. I also played this indie game called Carrion, which is a Metroidvania-style platform game, exploration game, but except you play the monster of a monster movie, so you're just a big blob of flesh, basically.

Okay, I have seen this. Yeah, yeah. That does look pretty cool. I should, yeah. When it's on a Switch, maybe I'll give it a play. It is on Switch. Oh, shit. Yes.

I've been called out on this. All right. Well, then I will get this game. But it's like like six hours long and it's just like i'm always doing something always i'm always accomplishing something it's it's much more satisfying than a more bloated game oh that's cool all right i'll check that one out and i i so like a lot of this quarantine has been like finishing the games i was playing for travel and one of those was uh i was replaying the second ace attorney game so i finished that one and i replayed ghost trick for an upcoming retronaut so i'll look for that in like february

i think seems like i think there's a couple good guests on that one oh yeah and i'm not saying i'm on it and patting myself on the back they are related to uh you know our show one of them one day will be related to me so who knows who that is uh also finna finally finished shadow bringers final fantasy 14 and currently playing yaksa like a dragon and the demon souls remake both uh very very good for different reasons yeah now you're you're a next-gen gamer just like me now bob you're playing uh demon souls on the ps5 what do you feel about the ps5 in general i you know i don't like the ui so much i like the xbox series x ui a little more i have not seen the series x ui i'm fine with the ps5 ui but i think ps5 is finally giving

console gamers a taste of what pc gaming is like where it's like i can play all my old games except they load faster and they work better which is exactly what i've been doing it's just like wow i can play monster hunter world things load immediately and doesn't sound like there's a plane taking off in my living room like that is the the main advantage of the ps5 is immediately having access to your entire library and it works so much better it makes you think the ps4 was a piece of shit yeah it uh it seems much worse to me now i why well the the series x ui is just the uh xbox one ui okay they just brought it over i think i also another thing i if i can uh say one thing i don't like about the ps5 controller i don't like that button that it's like the the logo it's like it's it's all pointy and stuff i like a nice button it's it's a little

too clever i don't really like that either but smart i like the controller in general but yeah um i've only played demon souls and it's a fantastic looking game. But like there's really honestly no reason to buy either console at this point. But I just had access to one and with, you know, not traveling or doing anything, I had money to pay for a PS5. So, yeah, I was able to get to when I bought one in the I was me and my husband. We were both really on the ball with the preorders. So I was able to pass it along to you and i did pay henry american dollars for it uh but like the the amount stuff's

going for an ebay like don't don't yeah i saw people fucking lining up a game spot stop for like the two they're gonna have on black friday in a pandemic like no don't do this don't risk your life, please. I know you want a PS5, but it's not that special. There are like five other Souls games you could play or replay. And, you know, Demon's Souls is fine, but it's also an old game. And you can play Miles Morales on your PS4. Oh, I forgot about that.

It's not even an exclusive. Damn. And you can play Yakuza Like a Dragon on your PC if you want, which is what I'm doing. So in terms of watching stuff, I haven't watched a whole lot uh we finished avatar we were like one episode before the end when we got to the um last talk to the audience and that's great uh we started watching this anime called doro hey doro which uh it's impossible to describe what it is but it reminds me of what anime used to be like when i was growing up like you gotta see this totally

fucked up thing okay so it's it's like all the violence of the weird anime you watched as a kid but none of the sexual violence which is nice oh that's good so that's good just regular ultra violence and i'm watching uh amphibia also with nina man you've you've probably eclipsed me on that we uh well i wonder why i watched a bunch of amphibia listener but who could say yeah but i i stopped at episode 10 i need to pick it back up we also watch a ton of movies this month uh the canadian horror movie ginger snaps it's a it's a low budget movie about werewolves and also about becoming a woman uh i've heard horror fans i know are like they're like oh a deep cut is ginger snaps i didn't realize it was so canadian it's it's very canadian uh also nina loves the movie chicago so i saw that for the first time oh the musical yes yeah man i'm shocked you've never seen it before i i only knew it via

so uh this is so stupid but on howard stern's e-show the commercials would have girls gone wild but also commercials for broadway shows oh right so there'd be a weird mix of like do you want this like softcore sex tape but also do you live in the new york area and have money for broadway so i would see like ads for chicago in the late 90s playing on broadway uh i would guess the the katherine zeta jones characters is is appealing to you if i had to pick the girl probably probably uh and then i saw for the first time the fifth element wow you never saw that i never saw it I mean I think I didn't really Like it I like the art direction but I think

I know too much about the director And I'm not as into the sexy Baby character anymore as I Would have been as a teen yeah well hey Mila Jovovich what a debut For yeah now Luke Besson's gross yeah it's like I can just see All of his fetishes splayed across the screen

And I don't like it yeah yeah And also uh on thanksgiving actually watch planes trains and automobiles again oh that's sweet i haven't watched that in a long time i probably the last time i watched was like a thanksgiving four years ago it's it's great and uh what i really like about it is you know uh that clip you usually see with john candy speech you know like i like me my customers like me you think that's going to be like the climax of the movie that's at the end of the first act oh right yeah they have like a coming to terms like twice in the movie which is pretty neat john candy he's so good in that like he's always funny like what a legend like but he he can make you feel bad for him like he's such a good uh like pity pitiful guy in there too god yeah like it's it's great but whenever i watch a

john candy movie which is not enough honestly i'm like man we lost him so early he was only 43 when he died terrible and then there's like a scene in the movie where he's like talking about like oh you know when i die blah blah blah and you're like oh you poor soul you have like five years left that's that i also as a kid uh the the scene where they're like stuck between the two cars and like they briefly turn into skeletons like that terrifying. That's one of those like scared kid moments that is stuck with. But then John Candy turns into a cartoon devil that I thought was funny. I mean, when I was a kid in the 80s, the biggest comedy superstars to me were Rick Moranis, Steve Martin and John Candy. They were like the biggest movie stars in the world to me were rick moranis steve martin and john candy they were like the biggest movie stars in the world to me because they started in the like yeah when i probably the first time as a kid i was

like whoa a guest star was like wow john candy's in home alone wow man i love this guy so i also wanted to recommend this youtube video that i watched uh so i wanted to watch trains planes and automobiles again because i just saw a youtube video pop up my feed that uh talks about the lost version of the movie oh and that's that the original filmed version of the movie was three hours. They cut that down to two hours and that was still too long. So they cut it down to 90 minutes.

So this video is called The Lost Version of Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. And it talks about the remnants of that lost movie that are still present in the final finished movie. So little tiny things that might not make the most sense in the final finished movie so little tiny things that might not make the most sense in the in the final movie they're actually like like loose threads from other things that existed before that wow all right i gotta check i'm gonna check that out that that sounds really cool i didn't know i didn't know so much was cut for that movie and my final thing i gotta

say is uh you know it's it's been it's been a weird nine months and i'm seriously getting into q anon so uh finally i know the truth about the world, Henry. No, I'm kidding. I've been listening to the podcast QAnon Anonymous, and that is a podcast that is not, you know, for sincere Q believers, but it's studying the people who believe in Q, like the celebrities of that world

and the movement and just how dangerous it is. And a lot of it is just like we're going to laugh at kooks. And a lot of it is just like, we're going to laugh at kooks, but a lot of it is like seriously good investigative reporting. It's really, really, really good. And those guys do an amazing job. Like they go to rallies undercover and record people and report on the rallies and what's happening there.

It's really good. And then they review like Q related movies and stuff. Again, I don't actually believe in the QAnon stuff. I think it's fun to study like Scientology. Yeah. Well, and also like they, you know, they're the new Tea Party. They are the future of the Republican Party. They're getting more mainstream every day.

So it's good to know about them, I suppose. The amount of Republicans who will not disavow the fictional child eating cult. I know. It's very troubling. I i think i can't remember who but there have been a couple wrestlers who pro wrestlers who have tweeted out like save the children t-shirts and how i know they're like oh you're cute you got cued you you've been you're in the cube uh non-group i mean i think it's important for people to know like these seemingly innocuous things like save the children like Like who wouldn't want to save the children?

They are actually tied to like a right wing genocidal death cult. Yes. Yeah. It's actually insane. But yeah, maybe maybe too depressing for some people. But I find it very entertaining and informative. Well, you know, for my month, it's been it was a real gamer month for me because, yeah, I me and my husband bought both systems the series x and the ps5 to play nothing new but um on the ps5 i played through miles morales pretty quickly it's if you

it's like a six or seven hour game that's the perfect length for a video game except for if you're yaksa uh yeah yes exactly i but uh but miles morales was really fun for how long it lasted and it is it's like a big spider-man movie and it's just uh if you think of it in the terms of a feature film then it's a six hour long feature film that's really interesting and like uh they for as much as a corporate made game can talk about the gentrification of harlem and having an african-american slash puerto rican main character i think it did a good job like being culturally aware there but the thing with the cop like they just can't touch the cops

the cops are the third rail people joked about in the spider-man 2018 game spider-man literally calls himself spider cop as a joke in the game but it's because he assists the nypd the entire video game obviously you can't do that with the african-american spider-man but instead their fix is like we don't talk about him the cops are not talked about he doesn't fight cops he doesn't help cops he can stand by a black lives matter poster but we're not going to say it in the in the game but what do you expect from like a billion dollar company you know yeah somebody said that uh this is not my joke but like uh they're they're rebooting brooklyn 99 or they're doing something to address like we can't have a show about cops anymore but somebody on twitter on a podcast said they should just bring

the show back except they're all postal service workers and no one says anything about it just like the characters are the same they're just not their old jobs anymore it's a workplace comedy except they're not cops anymore that's uh also though on the PS5, I really did like the pack-in-game Astro's Playroom. It's really fun. I haven't finished that yet, but it's way bigger than I thought it'd be. I thought it'd just be like, oh, you're a dumb robot. You're going to teach me how to use the controller, which it does. But it's actually like a pretty meaty platformer that's Mario-like.

And it is also as self-flating as any Nintendo celebratory game is. I'm used to nintendo games being like celebrating themselves so much but playstation games i'm not used to that as much so going through a ton of playstation references in a platformer is pretty fun and i have played so much yakuza like a dragon i am 64 hours into it now i've only played like 20 hours but that means i've only just uh gotten to the job system yes now what chapter are you in now oh i i don't i can't think of it offhand but i i'm barely about to get to the job system so i mean and that is dragon quest pacing

as well the 20 hour mark to be given the job system yeah i i'm just having so much fun with it and i i will say i am savoring it like there have been me too yeah there have been times where it's like yeah here's the pink circle go over here and that uh that'll advance the story i'm like but i really like this new mini game i just unlocked i'm gonna play that for eight hours and i do i did the same thing it's just like no i want to find all the sub the side quests and then i want to see if there's like if i can you know level up characters in certain ways or get the best equipment or like i have not explored this part of the map what's going on over here like yeah all the sub stories i love that like yeah

it's it's as great as yakuza games are except now it's a dragon quest rpg and i love dragon quest so yeah i i haven't touched demon souls yet because i've just i've been telling myself only once i finish liking it. I understand. I only played a little bit of it, and I might save it for when I get back from my trip because it's quite a journey. I don't want to interrupt it. And also, to bring up Nina Matsumoto again on this podcast, at her suggestion, I have been varying up my Ring Fit play with starting up just dance i am now playing just dance and it makes me feel 800 because i don't know any songs except for the uh smattering of retro songs that are in there

uh but you know nina has been telling me like no that way you'll feel in touch with the kids you'll know what they're listening to when you dance to their songs i know the uma thurman song okay grandpa but uh yeah it's uh it's it is a real workout though doing 15 minutes of that i definitely feel like i did something on on just dance so i've been doing that uh and my husband did a very nice thing of getting me the just dance unlimited for a year which is unlocks about a hundred more songs in it so there's a subscription plan for that yes yeah yeah it's it's always something because there's like 40 songs on the game box and then it's like they have over a hundred extra

songs you can dance to that pick and choose from yeah just dance is 11 years old now it is an old series now i think you still buy that new game on the wii uh yeah i think it i think it still is a wii game for well i mean for grannies they didn't throw away their wii's and um and also i've been playing through well i finished hades but my husband just started up hades and so i've been playing uh helping him with it with my tips and i'm also jealous that he's getting to hades faster than i did but if he can beat hades before the 50th playthrough then he's done better than me. And it's not a competition. I have that for Switch. I played about 90 minutes, but I'm going to save it for my trip.

It is a perfect trip game. The just another run, just another run way of thinking. Time just flies. As for movies, I watched a lot of movies, especially over this break. I watched the gay Hulu Christmas movie, Happiest Season. Either you love it or you hate it. I mean, it... the gay hulu christmas movie happiest season either you love it or you hate it i mean it okay so it lets us gays have a hallmark movie is basically what it is but you guys can have bad movies too here but it has such a great cast that's what i hate it's like yeah it's not just

that kristen stewart is great or her girlfriend in her aubrey plaza but also it's co-written by mary holland who is such a funny comedian and she's great and she's in the movie and is very funny too and what sucks about it is is like to complain about it I have to be specific with spoilers and I don't want to spoil it in case you want to watch it but ultimately it is a movie that is made for gay kids gay adult children to watch with their parents and to make to normalize it and to let their parents know see it's not so bad to come out of the closet i'm still your child all that stuff so it's nice and blah blah blah but i really hate the ending i'll just say that do not like the

ending uh i also i've never seen 21 jump street i finally watched that pretty funny it's a pretty funny movie by the reboots yeah with uh jning Tatum and Johnny Hill it was very good yeah I mean uh it's it's Lord and Miller so it's it's very right right yeah though it still does the hey let's just improvise our way out of this scene we have no ending it's like maybe do a little less of that I'm glad that trend I think is over I think it's there's less of it happening we just don't have comedies anymore that's that's how it solved that problem happiest season I will say doesn't have much of that except for one scene with lauren lapkus in it which was cool seeing her in it too my husband had never seen the planet of the apes reboot

movies so i've started watching them with him we got him in 4k so watching them so the 4k discs were cheap i was like well now we have a 4k player i have one for the first time too i've never used it yet we're taking advantage of it i gotta say it's not uh it doesn't feel like a gigantic upgrade but it does look pretty good that that fake monkey played by uh by andy circus has never looked real i also watched it's a wonderful life after seeing happiest season they reference it's a wonderful life and then i'm like i gotta see the real one and so and we got that in 4k too one of my favorite moments last year was seeing that in a theater again and uh the scene where he comes home said if i want to ever feel uh i need to feel i'll turn that scene on just like him just being torn

apart it's great as his children put his one daughter puts tinsel all over him and he's just catatonic yeah it's amazing oh i love that scene man now i uh now you're making me feel bad i can't see it in the theater this year and and also as far as anime watching i watched the galaxy express 39 they i just bought all of them on blu-ray every i just watched a couple episodes it's 113 episodes long yikes i've only seen the movie version so i wanted to see the real show and uh and also i started reading a manga called what did you eat yesterday uh which is about a very down-to-earth gay uh manga about this couple in their 40s and one of them makes a nice meal and so it's kind of like it's a cooking instructional thing on top of like a gay slice of life story the only thing is is I say this is somebody who's never professionally

done localization before but i know when a localization can be improved and i i feel that it's it could be a little better i see sentences that i'm like i think i know what your starting point was and it could have been reworked better like yeah that gets distracting if i recognize a bad localization if you've read enough translations of japanese things you kind of can tell like well i've seen this translated in a different way that was better like certain different sentiments or ideas. Yeah. Yeah. But, but it's still, uh, I've heard that he got a live action Netflix version, but only in Japan. I don't know if it's on our Netflix yet. I need to double check. It wasn't a few months ago. And lastly,

quick wrestling aside, uh, I've been reading a book, a wrestling book, an autobiography of the pro wrestlers, the young books. And it's it's really interesting they've they've lived quite an interesting life uh and this month on well when you hear this on the free feed the match will have happened but my favorite guy uh who i've interviewed like three times kenny omega he's challenging for the aw championship on the second and i cannot wait to see it like this is his big moment i've i've been waiting big time and he just announced the aw video game which looks like they're finally going to make the no mercy video game of my childhood but starring the aw guys by the same people they hired who they could so okay yukes no longer works on the wwe games they hired yukes away from the wwe games

yukes has a lot of people who worked on the old no mercy games and on top of that they hired the director of the those no mercy video games to work on this game great that's awesome they hired the right people i'm crossing my fingers you know it's it's hard to make a good wrestling game but i'm rooting for them and speaking of books i just got for christmas a new kindle from my mom and my last one i have is from 2010 so i've been playing with and i'm like oh i could do all these things with this but it still has the screen quality of like paper the yeah i got the ink one so that's my favorite kind of kindle so maybe i'll talk about books i think i'm gonna start reading again it's

come to this read i'm gonna use my master's degree for good instead of evil uh talking simpsons comments so first up is bart to the future and brian horton says hold the phone mabel seems to be an old-timey saying of some kind i don't think it's in direct reference to bell's wife mabel since she was deaf it's most likely a pop culture reference lost to time the jack benny program is my best guess where there was a switchboard operator named mabel flap saddle it looks like the actress that played her was on the show for 15 years there's bound to be a catchphrase associated with the character after that long so all right i bet it is a jack benny thing and yeah the hold the phone mabel we were confused why mo said that in bark to the future about the uh the tax increase boy how fun was it listening to that episode

of Trump losing the election? Not intentional though. Not the loss, but our podcast posting. Yes, yeah. It was interesting timing for it, but our good buddy, Mike Drucker, I'm sure he's had to write a lot of interesting jokes the last month that we couldn't have expected

when we recorded it. Also on that episode,ry thornton says funny that henry mentions his headcanon that bart and ralph must have been a couple at some point to me a gay bart simpson makes way more sense than a straight one they've tried pairing him off with a new girl character in later future episodes and it feels so awkward and forced also he adds that pre-911 with china things were starting to get a little more tense with that country. The U.S. could have been in the current Cold War-esque political situation with them a lot sooner if not for 9-11. So, yeah, we talked about how on that one before 9-11, people were like, oh, China is going to own America.

Now we're feeling that again. Like that's the new current jingoistic fear that we've got cooking up. Now we're getting owned by china i liked also seeing that our pal drew mackie agreed with me on the on the gay bart theory like it just it makes sense the thought of seeing bart with a wife in the future just doesn't feel normal i never i never thought about it but it makes perfect sense now yeah let let him grow up to be gay guys some sometimes your sons are gay get used to by the way i want to clarify we're being owned by china in terms of our covid stats they're doing much better than america

so up next we have uh days of wine and doses and sabrina says i grew up going to my dad's na meetings i think that's narconon i think so yeah on saturday night when he couldn't find a babysitter maybe not the most wholesome environment but it probably made me the boring adult i am today i heard some wild stories the coffee sugar replacement addiction is real he loved this joke about barney being a coffee addict because he became one himself after years and years of speed addiction and those group members were my number one customers every year when it was time to sell girl scout cookies what a scam that's great man you got a captive audience there you come in with girl scout cookies that's that's the closest thing to a high you can get yeah no i i saw another interesting person who said they'd always read

it as mo was dosing the coffee like it was secretly spiked but i i don't agree with that i just see it as like no mo started selling his new addiction which was caffeine yeah yeah i that's a much darker reading i'm glad they didn't actually go that way uh also on days of wine and doses kat hakeberg says being from grand rapids michigan home of amway i can confirm that many many things are named for it most other things were named for the devos or van andel the other founder family the amway grand plaza hotel the van and dale arena davos hall davos place Plaza Hotel, the Van Andale Arena, Davos Hall, Davos Place, the Helen Davos Children's Hospital, and so on. Like most sensible local folks, my family had an extreme dislike for all things Amway and the politics of its founders. My parents are public school teachers, so Betsy DeVos in

particular was considered worse than Satan in our house for as long as I can remember. And we always felt a little conflicted about attending sporting events or concerts in those places when i was 14 i had to spend a week in a children's hospital and it was a major financial hardship for my family i remember my mom getting a bill one day and being like it's bad enough that insurance won't cover this but does it have to say devos on the envelope on top of it. Barf. Yeah, Betsy. Yeah, I'm sorry. We haven't heard from Betsy DeVos in a while, right? Yeah, I think she's been mostly silent.

I think there must have been something bad she did this year. But what a piece of shit. I mean, wanting to open the schools, I guess, is pretty bad. Oh, yeah, she was trying to kill children. Sure, yeah. We should just put it that way. Like, yeah. We need to grease these gears with child blood.

Nationally, we weren't that aware of the DeVos family until she joined the cabinet. I mean, truly awful family. And I mean, on top of that, it's her brother who was the like war criminal in charge of the black ops group, that PMC group. I forget the name of it. I think their strategy is to inundate us with so much horrible information about these people that we just forget. We can't process it all. Just like, oh, yeah, that guy and that that guy it's way too much to keep track of but yeah that i i mean especially to have parents who are public school teachers like betsy devos

would have to be satan for you at that point she's because she's trying to make you unemployed oh uh speaking of uh i don't know why i thought of this i don't think this is related at all but i just remember something i wanted to say that on Talking Futurama, The Problem with Poplers, there's a joke on that is that when Lur, sorry, not Lur, no Lur, Lur ends the call with Zabran again and starts scratching himself. And we were like, oh yeah,

you got to be more careful on these Zoom calls. We recorded that before the Jeffrey Tubin incident, which is now probably forgotten. So in case you're wondering why we didn't reference like, oh, Lur was Tubin after that call. Tubin it up, man. Yeah. that was such a funny week of just learning that it was a nice distraction in all the tension leading up to the election to find out that this you know respectable dude who's appeared on cnn has been in the new yorker for a million years he uh unwittingly like an old man like oh i must have turned off my camera let's pull it out let's whip

it out let's get let's get to flavor country and then he turns it and then he comes back and he's like hey what's going on guys and not knowing that all of his uh co-workers just watched him manipulating why does everyone look horrified it was then funny to see him have to tweet a month later like uh i've ended my time with new yorker and announce his exit and just everybody in the replies was like why what happened i think our friend of the show virgil texas was just like what did you do why did you get fired yeah it was like the number one tweet on that very funny uh he's quite a good poster that virgil texas he is uh so kill the alligator and run is next uh classic episode uh and joe hodgson says yeah

there's not much to defend here at the time i hated it and on any rewatch i've done i found i continue to hate it i even hated it back when it aired for making me angry at dedrick bader who prior to this episode i had no reason to think ill of there are still some good isolated jokes but not good enough to rise above the bile i'm kind of indifferent to horny homer i suppose it works when he's drunk or his losses inhibitions but i am pro horny marge so i'm kind of indifferent to horny homer i suppose it works when he's drunk or his losses inhibitions but i am pro horny marge so i did kind of enjoy your response to the gross show your boobs guy and kid rock yeah he sucks alex wondered if they could have gone with a florida act from the era which immediately made me think of creed and honestly i don't know if

we dodged a bullet or not there now let's never speak of this episode again i think creed would be a worse band just as bad a band but not worse people there's nothing as obviously funny about creed yeah yeah now limp biscuit would have been funny on the same level i think but uh also on that episode our pal thad kamarowski chimed in saying more hash brown sugar is the only good line no this episode is gator shit on the topic girls gone wild i'm amazed you didn't bring up how those ads populated late night tv for many years specifically cartoon network and the announcer's warning functioned as a two as a 2 51 a.m wake-up call for everyone at some point i i had forgotten uh then there was

like a back and forth like some people saying like really it was on cartoon network like i knew it on comedy central i knew that's when comedy central time was over and because the girls gone wild uh things began let those steel drums lull you to sleep i guess yeah it's a real up and down on that it was like rant rant not for kids not for kids then you Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Then you hear the guy say, show me where the babies feed. Barf, yeah. I know that for Doug Stanhope, he has trouble living that down. Oh, God. He's embarrassed.

Was that him? It was him. Oh, Jesus Christ. It was. Hey, look, he's no fan of, I don't know why I'm defending the libertarian comedian Doug Stanhope. I do think he gets told funny jokes but uh he he is no friend of the criminal who made the girls gone wild series let's talk about uh last tap dance in springfield in batman boy 11 says a canadian reporting in i can confirm that malls still exist and are doing

fine here at least until the pandemic in fact ottawa has multiple malls and i haven't heard of any closures during the past eight months so it does seem like they'll continue to exist post covid it's been weird hearing about the death of malls in america for the past decade while teens have continued to hang out in them and they're still a go-to for many different things you might want or need and i'm glad you guys enjoyed this episode as much as i did because i definitely think it's one of the strongest of the season and a legit really good episode i agree the ending maybe leaves a little to be desired which could have been fixed just by giving lisa a moment to really tell off the instructor or something oh yeah yeah you know

what just if lisa was just like hey here's your shoes or just threw them in her face or whatever like i quit like something like instead of them uniting at the end like oh i understand lisa like yeah lisa should get her revenge on her it's it to fail at things. That's the point of our Lisa story. That she dares to care. Like, she cared about something. She must be punished. Also on that episode, Kyle Orland says, you mentioned that Spaceship Lollipop

probably has some funny lines if you listen closely. And now it's Kyle's time to shine because I made sure to listen closely as a kid during subsequent viewings. Here's the lyrics I could make out. I'm a spaceship, lollipop, gingerbread. Men like to do hip hop and chocolate chips. Make of rock and fuel for rocket ships.

We just love to dance on Mars where everything's made from candy bars. Then it gets inaudible. Nothing really laugh out loud funny there, but I like that they went to the trouble to make four lines of unbelievably cheesy grade school stage show lyrics with some clever rhymes that most viewers would never even notice. I like that it's just very inane. I like rockin' fuel for rocket ships. The use of the word rockin' feels very George Meyer, I think. So up next we have comments for What a Cartoon, and our first ones are for ed ed and eddie the

classic late 90s early 2000s series and andrew giacchetti says this is probably my favorite cartoon network show of my childhood being that i'm a little younger than you guys as a kid i didn't know any of that stuff about antonucci being the way he was and it blew my mind in college when i saw a post from antonucci on reddit but not any cartoons or tv animation subreddits no the dude posted on r slash trees the weed reddit to share his custom pipe which is just a ceramic plank that's awesome not gonna lie it was one of the dopest pipes i've seen and i wouldn't mind owning it myself also from what i recall the ed ed and eddie games are fairly decent adventure games by licensed game standards but my

ps2 and copy of the game are tucked away somewhere at my parents house maybe i'll check the interwebs for some nostalgia and see for myself if this game is good or i'm just an ed ed and eddie apologist so yeah he's a maker of a custom uh weed pipes i think that's i think it's uh very after doing research on him and watching interviews i'm like him being on the weed reddit makes a lot of sense yes the weed reddit uh how is it more or less legal in Vancouver? The Weed? Oh, it's incredibly legal. Okay.

All right. They must have been ahead of California on that. Before us. Yeah. Also on that episode, Thad Komorowski said, I watched a lot as a kid. Remember exactly when it premiered. And no, not a fan of that Ed and Eddie.

For me, despite the expressive character designs and the animation and the lineage from Ren and Stimpy, Antonucci was a classmate of John Case, and the show's producer, Chris Danzo, also produced Ren and Stimpy and a lot of Bakshi shows. She admitted to me that she liked working with the bad boys of animation. It just felt like yet another slice-of-life white kid show that dominated so much tv in the 90s one artist told me the adherence to keeping the cul-de-sac on model made it as rigid as any nelvana show you know he is right this does feel like that era sort of kids doing stuff style show but it was uh like super like the weekenders was like the low-key version of this this is like the super cartoony vulgar version of the kids doing kids stuff cartoons you're right it is it is functionally the same kind of show as weekenders

just crazier drawings and and more much more screaming oh that continued the direction credit really should have been more generous though all of cow and chicken and i am weasel cartoons list dave feiss as the director but dave was also quite generous in giving his animation timers actual co-director credit. He's of the old school where he considers timing real direction and he's not wrong. Also going to add that for a lot of classic cartoon fans, Ed, Edd n Eddy was really the show that heralded the end of the classics having a healthy place on the Cartoon Network schedule. The Popeye show got bumped from a cushy primetime slot for another Ed, Edd, and Eddie rerun.

The irony is Antonucci's favorite character is Fleischer Popeyes. Wow. Isn't that ironic? Don't you think? That final comment made me think I just saw this tweet by this Nickelodeon account

that's just like a Nickelodeon history account. And it was saying like this day in 2007 was the final day like all of these Nicktoons aired because it was the last time they tried doing a marathon and nobody watched it. And like the next day they did a Spongebob marathon and it got like 20 million viewers. So it's just like, you know what? We'll only show Spongebob from now on.

So it's like the last time like you like Angry Beavers and like CatDog and all that crap ever aired on nickelodeon was in 2007 that's so sad to know that like it wasn't it wasn't spongebob's intention to make all other obsolete nicktoons but damn it's just like when you see like oh yeah goof troop hasn't aired in 15 years or something or bonkers hasn't aired in 17 years and it's like well they decided instead of showing bonkers they'll show eight episodes of phineas and ferb yes and that's that people will watch that why have any other schedule when it can just be a rerun kids don't care if it's a marathon of reruns and i guess in that way having the streaming world is better because those things ratings don't matter as much if it's just a library of junk that exists one way or another then it'll just be on uh it'll be on the streaming service up next we

have courage the cowardly dog and manic rainbow says Love the show and watched it from way too young of an age. And I didn't know when I was seven, but I continued to watch it all of it in reruns. It honestly felt like a run and snippy for people in my age group. Genuinely horrifying and cruel at times in ways that for sure gave me nightmares. All the kids I knew talk more about this show than they ever did about SpongeBob.

For a kid with extreme anxiety, Courage meant so much to me and I still feel warm when i think about him it was super fun to hear you guys talk about the show being from an older generation than me i totally get henry's hatred of eustace as a horribly abusive character but i would argue he is about on the same level as ren hope you guys come back to the series eventually there is so much to mine from this gem of a show oh sure sure i now look i do he is an abusive guy on the level of ren but i guess and look sometimes i don't like watching the rent abuse but that's for other baggage that

comes with it but i guess the thing is ren and stimpy are on the same level as like age and stuff they're not in a role of like you know the dad eustace being the father figure and being that abusive does feel different than like a compatriot viewing also like a pet owner too it's like he's not even a child he's like the pets that's yeah he's uh that it that's why i want eustace to die every episode uh but also on the courage cowardly dog silky pj says i do have to be a nerd on the comment henry made regarding the last episode where he claimed the final episode is the first time we've ever seen courage use his scream offensively in ball of revenge eustace brings back

a bunch of courage's rogues gallery to beat him up in a game of dodgeball to overcome them muriel suggests that courage do something he can do better than all of them he thinks for a second then goes on to scream for about a solid minute causing a chasm to open up in the basement and suck all the enemies inside. Other than that note, I really love all you guys covered in this episode. Pound for a pound, Courage might be the best series Cartoon Network did

in terms of flawless, emotional, and creative episodes. I didn't see this finale until way later, but I'm glad it gave a sense of closure to how everything came to be. The one of the things i've always noted about courage is that it really loves to reuse certain catchphrases and sound effects to almost fill out all of the silence and that crossover episode actually makes me hate eustace even more like that but it totally fits for the anxious child stories they're telling through courage to make

a story about your abusive father figure making you play dodgeball with all your bullies? I feel like all the boomers who grew up were just traumatized by dodgeball. I know. It was never a thing in my childhood. I mean, I definitely played a few games of dodgeball in PE, but I didn't. It wasn't. I was certainly bullied in ways, but they didn't need dodgeball as a way to do it. We had beanbag toe tag and we grew up just fine

that's fun that's fun uh so let's move on to wind in the willows where uh mera the demon says the appearance of the god pan was a sort of mean at the time of the wind in the willows writing and his inclusion in the book puts it into a group with other works of the post-romantic pre-weird fiction bubble basically pan was considered a symbol of naturalism and reference for nature and the sort of spooky unexplained dark side of the naturalism and reverence for nature and the sort of spooky unexplained dark side of the natural world and started getting used by a bunch of over-educated writers who missed the nature of their youth and this is where the name peter pan comes from eventually the more positive aspects got dropped in the weird fiction uh with its love

of unexplained monstrosities and hatred of radical new ideas like multiculturalism started gaining steam uh the turn of the previous century is a great time for genre fiction and if the more mythical parts of the wind in the willows piques your interest i suggest going to project gutenberg there's a lot of fun cozy fiction from that era that's completely free because anyone who could possibly fight for the rights is dead and wind in the willows is there too so you can read that for free i did it's where i read wind in the willows on the gutenberg. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting to know that that's what the meme was at the time. Just pan reflected.

But I think it too, it comes out of like this set. There's so much sexuality to pan as well, which I guess that is a side of naturalism to, you know, these buttoned down Victorian guys. They see all these animals that just can, you know, fuck whatever they feel like. They're not wearing eight layers of wool yes yeah and sweating and in the eight layers of wool in the hottest of england's uh summers also on wind in the will as patrick stratford says i will offer a couple of corrections thames television wasn't a subsidiary of itv or at least in the way most people think it's a long and complicated story which is covered very well in the youtube series itv in the way most people think. It's a long and complicated story, which is covered very well in the YouTube series

ITV in the Face from AppleBask. ITV, independent television, was created as the first commercial broadcaster in Europe, and each region in the UK has an independent company broadcasting some shows of their own making, but mainly network shows from other regions. Thames served as the regional broadcaster for London from 1968 to 1992,

until they lost the franchise to another company, and basically merged with one of the bigger broadcasting companies to become ITV as we know it now, which is still the main broadcaster in the UK, but lacks the thought and originality of the old days. Also, Peter Salas is actually using his own received pronunciation accent for ratty whereas he uses a northern accent for wallace and grumman and clag in the last of the summer wine though ian carmichael was great in the original film i tend to like sallis's voice is ratty first he gives a great performance in the other episodes adapted from the book wayfarers all which also has an otherworldliness to it and might be my favorite in the entire series

keep up the good work and hope to hear some uk choices again soon wow this is really peter salas month on what a cartoon it is yeah it's funny how they go back together if i could if i could reprogram the month i would have done bubblegum crisis before wind in the willows so we could just go straight from one salas project to the other but i guess it's uh yeah salas is using his real voice in it instead of the northern english hick that he does for uh wallace so up next we have bubblegum crisis and kaiser beam says a good overview of the messiest episode of an already messy franchise also your talk about the early days of anime distribution made me want to show off this promo that a japanese distribution company put out for American media companies.

In another world, Bubblegum Crisis might have been known as Futurescape. And here's the vintage trailer. Yeah, I'm going to play just the first couple seconds of it here. It's the landscape of the future. The entire world locked in a dark city. A city with all the problems of today and more. It's Futurescape. We're not calling it Bubblegum Crisis.

Yeah, I have to say I'm embarrassed for all my Bubblegum Crisis research. I never knew about this. Like, Gaga was a Japanese company that was about selling it overseas. So that was the 1988 pitch to sell Bubblegum Crisis as Futurescape overseas. So obviously that didn't go through and it would take a couple more years for Animago to get the license for it. And they would later create Lady Gaga. A big thank you to Kaiseraiser beam for uh for pointing that out and also you know i we've i think we've said it before but kaiser beam does their own great uh youtube series folks should

be watching the uh kyoto video series check it out very cool on youtube and finally our last comment of uh the month on bubblegum crisis comes from christopher moops mcdougall saying there's a lot of subtlety in the show that is really not made clear among them being that cilia not sylvia might be a boomer i'm not sure if this stuff was meant to be explored later and they ran out of money or it's just poor delivery as for the lack of ova quality fan service and violence it seems like they saved a lot of that for the spinoff 80 police files that show went a lot more extreme and dark the first episode has a suicidal robocop whose creator sexually assaults

him while he's charging oh geez and like henry i also watched streets of fire for the first time recently and bubblegum crisis totally rips off the opening both of those songs are so good though the first 15 minutes of streets of fire is amazing unfortunately the rest of it just doesn't live up to it warriors is a much better walter hill movie and yeah i'm glad i'm not alone in feeling the disappointment in what could have been in streets of fire even though the start of it's great but the highlight reel is actually final fight so yes it took all the best stuff from that movie in streets of rage it's you learn so much about just every anime and video game from about a five-year period if you watch Streets of Fire.

But I had forgotten that Cillia, the leader of the Night Sabers, is maybe a boomer in the same way that, hey, is Decker a replicant? And I don't mean Tim Hyde. I was thinking, I'm like, wow, I didn't see that coming i mean blade runner i'm talking about blade runner but uh but yes thank you moops for that uh that comment i did i did miss that in silly his character well wow that was a jam-packed episode of talk to the audience so much news uh all good news actually so it's been a year full of bad news and i'm sick of it it's been nice to finally share some good news on this podcast yes i hope i hope you guys uh were able to you know

make it through a very tense election month that's for sure yeah and we're gonna check back in with you after the holidays so we hope you have a good one if you celebrate and hope you can find some time take some time off and chill out we got a lot of great podcasts coming at you a lot of really long podcasts are going to be coming out this month oh and of course talk to futurama is going to be wrapping up so just like through at least three new podcasts a week uh until the end of the year to keep you happy maybe some more surprises on top of that look out for them yeah have a nice holiday and we'll see you at the end of december for another episode of talk to the audience and we'll see you then. Wow. Infotainment.