Talking Simpsons - Talk To The Audience?!? - September 2024

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

As autumn begins, we have a whole month of Simpsons events to look back on, while also looking forward to our October 2nd Portland live show with Bill Oakley (get your tickets HERE before it sells out). Then, we've got a trip report from Orlando, lots of chat about newly released video games, and replies to some of our favorite Patreon comments. Prepare for Halloween/Treehouse season with the newest community podcast!

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world and in our world, and then we respond to the questions and comments from the last month's worth of episodes. And this is a very slow news month because we are on the cusp of season 36 of The Simpsons launching the Sunday after we record this. That's when the season premieres. So very few things are happening, but there's still a few things worth reporting on. I guess it'll heat up next month once there's new Simpsons and especially there's going to be so much Halloween Simpsons content. Now it's it's a month of Halloween content They do it's not just one tree house. They can't contain it to just one tree house

It's not just one tree house that airs on November 8th. It's it's an entire month-long celebration They figured it out finally after 30 some years the the season premiere is very soon We've talked about it before but they have confirmed some new guest stars on it. I think yes The season premiere is called Bart's Birthday. It launches on September 29th, and it stars, or guest stars rather, Conan O'Brien as himself, Danny DeVito as Herb Powell, John Cena as himself, Tom Hanks as himself, several Major League Baseball players, and Joel McHale as himself. This is according to the Simpsons Wiki. There could be more guest stars, but they're playing it very close to the vest in terms of the production of the show.

We don't really know what's happening, and there aren't any synopses out there right now that let us know what this episode is even about, outside of Bart's birthday. It's so many people, like this is near the level of the Johnny Carson episode with the number of guests. I just saw Michael Sacks a few days ago tweet that he said they just recorded like that day last week another guest for that episode. And a person we've interviewed before, Eric Rogers, replied to him with like, how is that possible for animation? Is this just ADR or whatever? And Zach says, I'll explain it after the episode airs, but yes, it's coming in hot. It's very hard on the animators wrists,

all of these last minutes guest stars. It has to just be a voice like over the phone or something in this case. I wonder who it is, but already you've got John Cena and Tom Hanks, like that, they have to just be on a phone call saying, hi Bart, I'm your biggest fan or Tom Hanks like that. They have to just be on a phone call saying, Hi Bart, I'm your biggest fan or whatever, something like that. Yeah. The episode is very cheap. It's just Bart receiving a bunch of phone calls.

I mean, in the pictures I've seen of them promoting it, I have seen a drawn Conan O'Brien. So he will appear on screen, but I do wonder if all the rest are phone calls. I'm curious. Well, we'll report on it next month. so that is what's going on for the season premiere but a new shorts announcement just happened the next Disney Plus short debuts on October 11th it's Halloween themed and it's called the most wonderful time of the year in this short Sideshow Bob will team up with guess what Disney villains because that is not played out yet seeing Simpsons characters next to let's say,

Goofy and Mickey and the rest. What if Sideshow Bob hung out with Frollo? I think they'd have a lot to talk about. I think Ratcliff and Sideshow Bob would be best pals. We're gonna find out in this short. They do seem like the same type of fancy fae lads who would enjoy each other's company. Yeah, I approve of this more than, you know,

the Simpsons doing a short to promote Moon Knight season two or whatever. But like I've gone over way too many times and I know I'm being irritating. The novelty of Disney owning The Simpsons is over and I feel like they keep going back to that well and it does nothing for me anymore. It just feels like lazy fan fiction, I guess. I think we've mentioned it on the community podcast. Like a couple months ago, they passed the five year anniversary of buying Fox. So it is just been a fact of life for this long.

Yeah, Simpsons are owned by Disney. Now they're spicing it up by at least having a guest star in this and getting Kelsey Grammer in there. And I'm assuming doing Sideshow Bob things. And I hope that David Silverman got to at least animate some fun Sideshow Bob stuff in there. And he's why I definitely think James L. Brooks loves doing this. But also I think Silverman and Al Jean both grew up on classic Disney. So they do get some fun out of this, but they always have the old Disney characters. Like they don't,

they rarely include even nineties Disney characters in these things Yeah, they really are just the boomer villains the ones those folks grew up with it But I really hope ultimately Kelsey Grammer can promote his faith based beer within the short They've got to sell something with these shorts and I have not found that on shelves yet The the faith brewing company the only brewing company that's run by an alcoholic Boy who's sober now who's sober now? Who's sober now? But I feel like it's a mistake to dabble in that industry when you're sober. Well, hey, with the strength in Christ, he knows how to make beer without having to go into it.

But yeah, actually, that reminds me, I just saw a trailer for a movie. I didn't know Pete Holmes had a new movie coming out, but also it's a Christmas movie that is being marketed to the religious audience. Like it's like from the director of The Chosen. I thought Pete Holmes was his comedy was about being a former, a hardcore Christian, but now he's doing a very Christian marketed movie. I feel like there's a lot of money in that market.

And if you're willing to sink that low, they will drive the dump trunk up to your house for their very low budget movie that a lot of Christians will see, we've seen it with, what was that? Child Abduction movie that was huge. Oh yeah, Sound of Freedom, yeah. Sound of Freedom, yeah. It just make it for very little money, get a few faces in it, everyone will flock to it.

Well, a certain demographic will flock to it and make it very profitable. And, well, Kelsey Grammer was in at least one of those movies in the last couple years about the rockin' guy. Jesus Revolution? That's the most recent one. I'm sure he's been in other ones when he's not in the money planes. And perhaps there are money boats.

They gotta move on to, well, you know what? Frasier's probably making him too busy for money boats anymore. But not for Jesus. Frasier is putting him in a money boat because they're not paying for any of the other actors to return. More money for Frasier. You know what? I like Sideshow Bob, so I'll give it a chance.

We'll report back next month on that. And the Daily Simpsons account holder, Neil Arsenti did a cool article that's showcasing a lot of old negative comments on classic era episodes. And this is on cracked, by the way, you can look look this up it's called ten classic Simpsons episodes the internet originally hated and I love looking at these because back in the day when the AV Club had their Simpsons episode capsules I think it's been like 15 years since that started many of the users would go back to the episode capsules written by the alt TV Simpsons newsgroups and pull out the negative reviews for things like Homer at the bad and Mr.

Plows. So I always loved reading those and now they're showcased here in article form. I do wish Neil's article went up to Pucci there work comments from Pucci, unfortunately, which would have made my job easier in prepping stuff for the, for the live show we have coming up, but daily Simpsons is a very helpful account at pulling together classic moments or history dates. They've gotten comments from Simpsons

writers before too that I've used also about half the time when you hear the old commercial in an episode of our podcast for the corresponding episode. I'd say half the time, I just get them off of the Daily Simpsons Twitter. Like he just posts them. Yeah, he's filling the hole that that guy, 3002 left when he left Twitter. Now almost two years ago, I'm gonna say that guy, that was a preemptive leaving of Twitter.

You really should have stuck in there a little bit longer, if only for our sake, because I'm glad he at least kept his Twitter account online. It's invaluable, the Simpsons resource. Yes, yeah. Thank you for keeping it online as a he at least kept his Twitter account online. It's invaluable. Simpson's resource. Yes. Yeah. Thank you for keeping it online as a resource at least. I mean, I've seen his post on Instagram and stuff. That guy, he still is posting stuff, but yeah, it's just, it's not the same.

But yeah, I mean, who knows what's going to happen with X the everything platform after the election. I still feel like Elon's just going to sell it after the election. It seems likely I just, I have blue sky. I don't have time to cross post everybody, please. The Blue Sky is just an advertisement for my Twitter. Ultimately. I cross post occasionally, but no, it's pretty much just Twitter. And then if I have some fun vacation pics, Instagram goes there. And I still call it Twitter. It's not for me being a stinker, but that's just what it

is. It's Twitter. You make tweets. I can't change. It's just been in my blood for the last 15 years. Well, and that the branding is such an Elon only move, then it's like, oh, then why would I fix the branding to what that piece of shit wants me to do? Like, fuck that. Like one, it's a dumb name and Twitter's better, and two, it's what he wants.

So no, I don't wanna do that. Yeah, ultimately, if I ever feel the need to change it and start saying X, I will just make it a political move and only say Twitter. So our last news item, 10 minutes in, is related to former guest star. So RIP to James Earl Jones, he passed away at 93 and was a three time guest star on The Simpsons.

Notably, he said, oh, and eventually they're rescued by, Oh, let's say Moe, which was the ending of DOS bus, which infuriated so many people back in, I don't know, 1997. But I find delightful because it's delivered with the authoritative voice of James Earl Jones. bit back then. They're not that mad. I, and I knew when I got mad at a Simpsons then, but it always did bother me a little it back then that it's like, Oh, they intentionally gave you no ending. But to then hear the story on the commentary that George Meyer was the one who pitched that they realized like, well, we didn't get the kids off the Island and where you don't want to spend the time to do that. So I believe they said it was George Meyer who pitched how about we have, let's say Moe, but have it delivered by the greatest actor alive, James Earl Jones. With that kind of authority, people will accept it as at least funny of a cheat.

And he made his debut on The Simpsons with Trias of Horror 1 playing Serac the Preparer, the most expensive alien who won't be appearing much after his first appearance. And also Trias of Horror Horror V where he plays the evil Maggie when Homer returns to one of the several universes he creates. Yeah, this is indeed a disturbing universe. He was used very well in Simpsons. I wish he almost appeared even more often, but he was used to such great effect. Yeah, I mean, he lived a very long life, great life. After he passed, it did lead people to share a lot of great stuff that he did in his life,

not just the famous things like, you know, Darth Vader or Mufasa, but also his many, many great acting roles, like, that he had done. And I watched a King Lear performance of his on PBS from a million years ago that's on YouTube, that people were like, oh, watch him in King Lear. You gotta see him as King Lear. Yeah, and I neglected to mention that,

of course, he was the narrator in the Raven segment of Triusl 401. He was used in every act. He was Zerk the Preparer, the narrator of the Raven, and he was one of the moving guys in Bad Dream House. That's right, he's the guy Homer tips poorly. That's his mover in that one. In case you're wondering who he is,

he's the white guy who sounds like James Earl Jones. Distractingly so. It was a fun gimmick, now that you mention it, that they're like, oh, we have a guest star in this one, but he'll be in all three acts. It's like he is an extra player in the cast for this week's episode, but they kind of dropped that tradition

going forward with The Simpsons. So RIP James Earl Jones, a long, great life, and I'm sorry they're tarnishing your reputation But they kind of dropped that tradition going forward with Simpsons. So RIP James Earl Jones, a long great life, and I'm sorry they're tarnishing your reputation by making that awful Mufasa movie. Which I've seen, I think I've seen trailers for twice and every time I'm just, okay, back to my phone until this is over. Well, and also the Darth Vader's voice is like half AI of him now or something. I know, I know in late in life his family signed off on something like that. Yeah, I don't know the details I'm sure I'm sure he was part of the signing off of this because he was still alert alive And I guess it was explained to him. Yeah. Yeah

I mean that's better than what's happening with a lot of dead actors And I hope worse doesn't happen to him now that he's no longer with us with with what his family does or doesn't do With his likeness and voice so that is It for Simpsons news there's gonna be a lot next month, so don't worry So let's talk about our news so most importantly we are returning to the bar Kelly's Olympian in Portland on October 2nd That's a Wednesday for another live show with Bill Oakley our third at that venue. At that show, we'll be covering the classic episode, the Itchy and Scratchy and Poochy Show with Bill Oakley for 90 minutes, again, that is Wednesday, October 2nd at eight o'clock p.m. at Kelly's Olympian in Portland.

Check out their website, check out the post we made with a link to the tickets, check out the feed you downloaded this podcast from, we stuck an ad in there. There are many ways to buy the tickets, and we provided several opportunities for you to do that. And I will say, by the time this goes live, the show is very close to being sold out.

So please act fast if you think you're gonna be in town for that event. We always have fun at Kelly's with Bill. It's now our third time going and I'm really looking forward to it. We asked Bill, you know, ideas for what he'd be into doing and he said, you know, he wanted to talk about a classic episode that he loved working on.

And he presented a few episodes. And I think me and Bob both just like jumped to like, oh, it's Pucci. We got a, we love Pucci. We covered Pucci in a three hour podcast, but this is Bill Oakley's insights into it. And he's not on the commentary for that episode too. So there's gonna be a lot of stuff

he never got to talk about. Yes, and don't worry in 2020, let's say eight, we'll probably cover it normally again when we get to it in our revisiting of episodes. So this will be a behind the scenes expose on Pucci live. We have a lot of fun stuff planned if you've also seen in our feeds, Nina did an amazing poster for it

I love that poster and where we're gonna be selling copies of it there, too That just like we've done with the other ones and yeah, I mean October 2nd Wednesday at 8 p.m. Kelly's Olympian in Portland, Oregon And yeah by the time you're hearing this you might be sold out especially if you're hearing this on the free feed right a day before the show. But double check the ticket links in the post we did on the Patreon, or I'm sure me and Bob are tweeting about it a ton,

and you'll be able to hear it as our regular episode coming soon too. Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. Always love going back to Portland. I love Kelly's Olympian, and hey, Bill's a great guest, and we have so much fun with him on stage. So please check it out if you can. So moving on to our schedule, first up for the What a Cartoon podcast, we're covering Rocco's Modern Life, the episodes to Heck and Back and Zanzibar. So the episode where

Heffer dies and goes to hell or heck in this case, because it's a kid's cartoon and Zanzibar, that is the Earth Day musical with a Rocco's Modern Life twist so we've been covering new shows on What a Cartoon lately we're going back to our comfort zone of body cartoons from the 90s and we have a patron on hand to help us out this is the last patron pick episode by the way we had a really good time going back to Rocco's Modern Life it got me to dig up some extra details on how they got away with a masturbation joke in Heck and Back and snuck it by the Nickelodeon censors.

So that is what's happening on What a Cartoon. So for people on the Patreon, five bucks a month or more at patreon.com slash Talking Simpsons, we have a regular episodes of Talking Futurama and Talking of the Hill. Talking Futurama, we're covering The Da Vinci Code, and it is partially a Dan Brown novel parody, but mostly a character-based episode where we look at the varying intelligence levels between Frye and Farnsworth and see how that often puts them at odds with each other. The show often forgets that they're related, but this is an episode entirely about that. And by the way, it's the Duh! Vinci Code, because the Duh implies stupid people. It's a fun exploration of a Roma as well,

for the middle act anyway. Yeah, so that's a lot of fun. We really enjoyed that. And also Talking the Hill, we're covering the penultimate episode of season three, Take Me Out of the Ball Game. It's a fun sports-related episode, and I guess we are launching this

around the time that the World Series is happening as our synergy here. Oh, I guess so. You're right. All I know is the World Series interrupted the Simpsons around this time, so I associated with late October. So we don't care about baseball, but this episode is launching at an opportune time, let's say. Yeah. So as the boys of summer are playing playing into the fall then we'll be talking about the girls playing base Softball what yes, and I guess so there's some guys in there too. Yes. That's right. It's a coed softball games played and For people at the $10 level at patreon.com slash talking symptoms We have our normal episode of what a cartoon movie. We just covered B movie on what a cartoon movie

I think it launches like right after this goes live on patreon, but we decided let's do another good movie I'll be doing a bad movie was a lot of fun But boy B movie really took it out of us. So we're going to do Hotel, Transylvania It was often in the running with other spooky movies like Corpse Bride and Curse of the Were-Rabbit and Nightmare Before Christmas, but we're finally getting around to it. What I hear, I have not watched it yet, we have not started our prep yet, but I know it's very good and people are very excited for us to cover this. Genndy Tarnikovsky does a great job as the director on it, though it is such a funny

combo because it is a good one, but it also is like a big name comedy star in live action. In this case, Adam Sandler gets his own animated feature, but it's directed by one of the best animators of his generation or ammo celebrated in Gendi's case. So it's a, it's a really interesting, it's his first theatrical release film. And so I'm, I'm really interested really interested to dig into the history of it because I definitely know that Gendi was a late addition to the production of Hotel Transylvania. Yeah, and again, that is for people at the $10 level

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The latest in the line of the Famicom Detectives Club games. It's been about, let's say, 37 years since the last one. They decided to make a new one and that one is called Emio the Smiling Man. I did really enjoy this. I think this is a brand that should be supported. It's cool that Nintendo is doing this and they're not even having their back against the wall. I feel like Nintendo would do really cool things in the Wii U and 3DS generation because they needed to appeal to the hardcore because that was the only people who were buying their stuff. This time around they don't need to pander to the hardcore but they're still doing it and I appreciate that. And this is a new adventure game but it has

classic Japanese adventure game mechanics like pre-Ace Attorney style menu based adventure gaming. That's not for everybody but if you enjoyed the remakes of the Famicom Detective Club games that came out in 2021, this is in line with those same kind of presentation, same kind of gameplay and same kind of fun, spooky murder mystery. I am still in shock that they made a brand new Famicom Detective Club game. Like that, that is shocking to me that Ten years ago, Nintendo of America wouldn't even release a game with the word Famicom in it. Like that would be seen as too, definitely too niche to sell to their audiences. And I do think that Nintendo, I feel like everything since

Tears of the Kingdom or maybe Mario Wonder, like everything else has been like, I don't want to say filler, but it is like they let the weirder stuff get space while the a teams are working on the switch, too That's what it's been feeling like to me for at least a year now, which is great. I love the weird stuff Yeah, we're getting a lot of fun weird stuff like the new legend of Zelda game starring Zelda comes out very soon There's a new Mario Luigi game. There hasn't been a new one of those in a very long time I'm just enjoying what seems like the last year of the switch We'll see I feel like the switch still has legs because everybody has one So it's just worth putting whatever you can on the switch also have been playing the new ace and tourney investigations collection

Now if you don't know what this is miles Edgeworth who was the antagonist of the first ace attorney game? He got his own series in Japan one of those games came out over here The second one didn't because it was a very late DS game. So this collection is both of those games. The second one being localized for the very first time. I am almost at the end of the first one. I do like these. They are a little messy and really about fan service.

But at its core, the mysteries are still fun and engaging. And I'm just very, very happy now that every Ace Attorney game has now been localized and again they have to make a new one there's nothing new anymore they've remade everything they better announce a new one at TGS or at E3 or whatever there's no more E3 but at some point Capcom needs to announce a new one but yeah these are great and long and interesting and if you enjoy Ace Attorney don't neglect this it has the same kind of gameplay just different presentations so I really recommend this collection. You know what by the end of this week maybe they'll have announced it TGS starts on Thursday. Yeah I'm looking forward to the announcements coming out of TGS. One last thing worth mentioning I've only put about three hours

into it but I am playing the Dead Rising Deluxe Remastered. It's Capcom putting out a very nice and improved version of Dead Rising that still retains all of the very challenging stuff I really appreciate about the first game. But it gets rid of a lot of the unfun jank of the first game. So it's dressed up with the new RE engine. Everything looks better. All the voice acting is different. Some people don't like that. It doesn't seem better. It just seems different to me. But every problem you had with the original game outside of the time limit is fixed. They really worked on a lot of the original complaints people had and I'm really enjoying the hell out of it. I love one and two.

And as the series went on, it kind of lost what made the original game so interesting. You know, just being in this space and having to learn it and it being kind of unforgiving. And I'm really enjoying going back to the roots of the series now I'm hoping people give this one a chance because I'm hoping the other ones get the same treatment in the future But yeah, congrats to Capcom because they're kicking ass with all of these re-releases lately I'm really impressed by how they're bringing these games out again and really bringing them up to speed with what people are expecting

I'm glad to hear you've been enjoying it Bob I it is on my list of wait for a sale thing, because I played the first one for once, I played two, I beat two like three times across the multiple versions of it and the DLC, and then three, three I think I probably would have enjoyed a little more if I didn't have to play it under extreme deadline as a reviewer for the launch of the Xbox One. And four is a complete mystery to me. I think I might play it around the holidays for the first time because it is a Christmas game, but I bought it last year for maybe five or seven dollars. I just thought I have to figure out what this is and why it's so disliked. I just want to give it a

chance. But yeah, I love the first game so much. And I think what I love the most about it is that it's a very Japanese take on America and I always appreciate that because they they really know how to zing us because every Person in this game is a disgusting hideous American I still think of the line from the original of the guy saying like well, yeah, of course you're zombies You're Americans you eat and eat. Yeah, I'm paraphrasing but like yeah you turn into zombies because you eat and eat you consume everything That's all you do. Yeah, this is not just a yeah, you've turned into zombies because you eat and eat you consume everything. That's all you do Yeah, this is not just a simple, you know HD upgrade. They you know worked on all the models

It's it's so many gameplay changes but retaining the same core Things that make the original game unique They there was a really good part of this game in 2016 for modern consoles and I did enjoy that and I played through that This is much more than that and I think it really makes the game super playable today. So not to go on too long but don't ignore that especially in the Halloween season. I don't know if enough people have their eyes on that game. Now in terms of watching stuff I am watching one series lately and it's way out of date so I won't talk too much about it but I needed something to watch at the gym an hour-long program And I decided to watch a mind hunter which was the David Fincher Netflix series

This was back when every big director was getting huge Netflix deals. That's not I don't think that's really a thing anymore You know I was just hearing our pals on blank check talking about how like they the big directors sign with Netflix But eventually the honeymoon period ends and then Netflix like doesn't promote their last job for them and then when they leave they go like Oh, actually Netflix is like crappy or well basically What bugs me with Netflix is that they they sign big directors for movies and then they refuse to release them Theatrically, even though it would make them more money like monetarily it would make sense to release them theatrically

Yeah, I'm enjoying it It is about the beginning of the profiling program, the beginning of the concept of the serial killer. And they're able to make people interviewing serial killers interesting in and of itself. That's basically just what the show is. And then these two guys being at odds with what the rest of the FBI wants to do.

It's interesting. I know there's only two seasons. I was reading up on it. And they had a five season plan. But by the end of season two, it was just getting too expensive and David Fincher wanted to do Mank so he took he took a Mank break and then the rest of the series never really happened but I'm enjoying it for what it is and it's just fun to see David Fincher what does he do with the TV show I forgot that he had a TV show no me too I I didn't I didn't check out. I've seen most David Fincher things and I just watched

Zodiac for the first time. So I'd be up for watching Zodiac, the TV series is basically what Minehunter sounds like. Yeah, basically. He loves doing serial killer shows and movies. So moving on in terms of movies, I watched a lot, so I'm just going to highlight three that I want to call out here. The first one I really recommend, especially if you're a fan of this podcast and if you're not, what's going on? You're like half an hour into this podcast. Are you just punching yourself in the leg or something? But it's Sirocco in the Kingdom of the Winds. This is a French movie. It's sort of like a Studio Ghibli-like movie in that when you

look at screenshots, when you look at characters, you get a sense like, oh, I see what they're going for here. It's very anime inspired. this is of a piece I think with the boy and the heron from last year although I think this is a much better version of that the whole like kind of Wizard of Oz story where you go to another world and you you know go through these life changes and you see things that are reflecting things that are in the real world it's very well done it was in theaters I think as like a G-Kids event earlier in September. It came to Canada a few weeks later and I'm sure it'll be on streaming

soon. But do not overlook this. It's very very good and it made me want to look more into the world of French animation because they seem to be doing very good stuff lately and have been doing very good stuff for a while. You know I saw saw that Mars Express, which was also a French production, though it couldn't be more, it's more of like from the Cowboy Bebop influence as opposed to the Studio Ghibli, but that was a very interesting French anime inspired one too. Just like in America, it seems like a generation of French animators were watching anime very closely and have taken a lot of inspiration from that. It's just like whenever I watch another country's animated features,

I think, why can't we have that? Why can't that happen here? Because they have to make Incredibles 3 and Moana 2. That's true, that's true. Well, I take it all back then. So yeah, definitely check out Sirocco and the Kingdom of the Winds. Very, very good.

Very good dub as well. And I brought this up, I have this to the list because I could talk about it with Henry. Nina is walking me through the X-Men films, or at least the ones that are worth watching. And I saw X-Men Days of Future Past and I thought it was really, really good. I think it is my favorite X-Men movie of the ones I've seen so far. I'm a big sucker for time travel movies. There's not a lot of interplay between the past and the present. It's not like a back to the future thing about time travel mechanics. But I did like the story and I did like how the ultimately the point of this

movie is to not have a giant fight where you're shooting beams at each other or racing towards an orb or whatever happens in those Marvel movies. It's all about we have, we have to go back in time. So there is no conflict. And I like that as a concept for a superhero movie. Now you had mentioned a few months ago, you had started reading some of the old X-Men comics. Had you read the original two-parter Days of Future Past from those comics?

No, I have not read what this is based on. Okay, well, I do think they adapt that one. Well, I liked Days of Future Past. I feel like it was the last of the mainline X-Men films I really enjoyed of that era. It's easier to call it the Fox era than the Singer era, but because I was disappointed by Apocalypse that comes after this and the Dark Phoenix movie

even more so or Phoenix I think it was called anyway Days of Future Past was like it was their version of the team-up movie that now we're getting of like well the the new guys we cast for first class get to meet the old cast kinda and Hugh Jackman is a major part of it showing off all of his muscles and his butt including his butt muscles as usual I guess I guess the idea was, well, the same people aren't going to play these characters forever, and then things have really changed since then, in the past ten years. No, no, I really liked it too. I really liked that they made it a specific time period again too,

and that it is like, will somebody murder Richard Nixon? You know, that's the plot. Yes, you can see Richard Nixon face off against Magneto, which is an encounter I never thought I'd see, and it's great. I really enjoyed that aspect of it. One of the sillier things I do like is that clearly the more expensive actors can only exist in the framing device.

So it's just like Patrick Stewart and a few other folks. And basically Elliot Page just has his hands floating over Hugh Jackman's head in that framing device for the entire movie. It doesn't seem like a very challenging role. Yeah, no, and Elliot's character in another cut of it had even less to do because Anna Paquin's rogue was supposed to take over for Kitty Pride

in doing the thing, but instead, they just kept it to Kitty Pride doing it the entire time. So Elliot Page could have had even less to do them sitting still over Hugh Jackman Yeah, that raised a lot of questions about Kitty pride. I was asking Nina. What are her powers sending Canadians back in time? Is that it? Well, that is an adaptation Basically if they were doing it straight Kitty pride should go back in time, not the more bankable star Hugh Jackman. So instead, they made it Hugh Jackman. But I think they made a good plot reasoning for it because it's like, well, Wolverine's an old, old man, so he did exist

then while meanwhile, a lot of the younger X-Men weren't even alive in the 70s. So yeah, I do recommend that. I'm sure everyone in the audience but me has seen it until recently. And the last thing I wanted to note is I saw Friday the 13th part three in 3D, yes, with the 3D glasses on. And this is actually the second time in my life I've had this experience.

I saw that the Rio Theater in Vancouver was doing this and I had seen it back in maybe 2008, 2009, somewhere around Cleveland. And I told my wife, we have to see this in 3D, you have to see how cheesy it is and I don't have a ton of knowledge about Friday the 13th but it's amazing how quickly the bottom just falls out of that series completely because It feels like they're building to something with the first two movies and then in part three they couldn't get anyone back

So it's a completely unique story about some person who once had some other encounter with Jason is now coming back to this area To overcome her trauma, but other than that it's not related to anything else in the series at all. But it is where Jason gets his iconic hockey mask from. And I love how undercooked the lore is, because they weren't worried about any of this at the time. Where he gets his hockey mask from is, he gets it from one of the most annoying characters in the series offscreen. And that's the story of Jason's hockey mask. in the series off screen. And that's the story of Jason's hockey mask. Well, that to me sounds like they need to do an interquel for a deeper story about how he got that hockey mask off screen somewhere. Yes, yes. I feel like there should be a prequel starring

Shelley, who is the character he steals it from. And if you've never seen this era of 3D movie, it's so worth going to because they are shameless. And it's not just, oh, the violence is 3D. No, you'll get yo-yos dangled in your face you'll get the back of a baseball bat sticking out of the screen and it the weird thing is it kind of works that red and blue classic 3D it works just enough where when you're in it for long enough you're like wow this is kind of impressive it's not as good as you know the current version of 3D we have now but it's cool that they were able to figure that out at the time so if you have the chance to see this, it's very silly and very stupid.

It does feel like a parody of a horror movie because it's just completely inept and it feels like they wanted this to be the last one. So they didn't really care that much about what was happening in it. So yeah, I'm just glad I had this experience twice in my life. I never thought I would. Did it feel even more special watching it on Friday the 13th? Yes, yes, actually we saw it on Friday the 13th. And maybe I think I saw it on Friday the 13th when I saw it back in 2009.

But again, part of talk to the audience is me promoting the Rio Theater in Vancouver. You gotta go there, it's great. Keep it in business. They do so many cool screenings like Friday the 13th and 3D. And they're doing it back to the future, double feature on the day Marty McFly went back in time in this month so I'm looking forward to that. Nice! And yeah that's it in terms of other stuff we mentioned the Talking Simpsons panel I

want to mention that there's also going to be a RetroNauts panel I'm doing at Portland Retro Gaming Expo it's happening Saturday September 28th at 5 o'clock p.m. in auditorium 1 there and I'm doing a history of Bowser panel with lots of fun and stupid video clips so if you're going to be at the Portland retro gaming expo, please check it out This is going to be my like 11th or maybe 12th year at the con I love it so much and it's definitely worth going to but it's especially worth going to my panel It was a really cool con. I went to it for the first time last year. Bob got me passes to go So thank you and it was really great to see, I mean,

even as an ex-blockbuster employee walking through the tribute to the last blockbuster that exists, felt a little strange, but I also really just loved the displays. People had like so many amazing displays from like the 80s and 90s, you know, ads and stuff and standees that had been kept in pristine condition. Yeah, it's a great convention to go to, and it's a great time to go to Portland.

It's great fall weather and check out our pal Bill Oakley's feed. He can tell you exactly where to go in Portland because when we're there we just ask Bill Oakley where do we go, where do we eat, and he sends us a lot of details about that. So check his feeds out if you're looking for what's great in Portland to check out. Well as for me this last month, mainly what I played was I just devoured it very quickly. The Astro Bot game for the PS5. It really is a great, I'd score it eight out of 10.

Maybe if I'm doing 0.5s, I go 8.5 and that's just cause I don't want to overrate things to me. It is a very good, very, very good 3D platformer that aspires to be as good as, say, like Mario Odyssey. Yes, I'm a Nintendo fanboy, that's what I am. But I did have a good time with it, and I did, to a degree, at first, like all of the references. Like, I kind of like, like, oh, I'm, you know, this area is supposed to feel like an Ape Escape game, or this area is supposed to feel like the recent God of War games That's clever, but there was an article this weekend

But people been it's the discourse of there's a lot of it that just is like empty brand Celebration that feels much emptier than say in a Smash Brothers game. Yeah Yeah, I bought the game. I'm looking forward to playing it. There was a Kotaku article. I think that's the one you're talking about, Henry. Where the person is pointing out, people are melting down over it, by the way, because people who read those articles are very rational. People who just look for reasons to hate Kotaku

are also very rational. And the point of the article is, it's a great game. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing game. But a lot of this is just empty IP references, honestly made by some of the people who worked on those previous games. But it only serves to underline how creatively bankrupt Sony has been for the last generation because nothing new has been created. The people who made Ape Escape games, they can make an Ape Escape level on Astro Bot, but they can't make a new Ape Escape game.

People who work on these games, they can't make a new Gravity Rush, a new Siren, a new Prap of new siren a new prep of the rapper But you can play with the bones you can have fun digging up the corpses and playing with the bones But it does make me miss the Sony's old identity Sony's current identity is hey you want to play last of us again? We're making that again and another God of War the games are like movies now And I just I kind of really I'm not on board with their branding and I'm not into What they're going to be doing beyond the PS5.

I think I'm just going to opt out of Sony and let, unless they rejuvenate their ideas and give me something fresh. Isn't that like such the, it feels like the catch 22 with Astro Bot because Astro Bot is frustrating in that it proves that like, Oh, Sony just made a regular game. It doesn't look like it it looks great but it doesn't look like it to cost you know 200 million dollars and it's only gonna make a new one in five years from now and they're gonna have to re-release this one or sell you DLC as a full game to optimize the price of it like it just feels like if they made a fucking video

game yes but it but it's so as they can but it's like the exception that proves the rule yeah yeah and you know I don't mind references I honestly this point in my life I'm kind of tired of references and I want new things but when I play Smash Brothers and I see all my old Nintendo friends in there I'm happy because I know oh there's Olimar well there'll be a new Pikmin game in five years or a decade. Oh, there's, there's, you know, Professor E. Gad. Oh, there's going to be a new Luigi's Mansion. When I play Astro Bot, I see Ape Escape and I think, God, it's been like 20 years since there was an Ape Escape. And we just talked about, I just talked about Amy O. The Smiling Man. That's Nintendo revisiting

a series they haven't touched in over 30 years. why can't there be a new Ape Escape? Why can't there be a Parappa the Rapper 3? It would, like, for the amount of money they spent on figuring out rope technology in The Last of Us 2, they could make both of these games. Not to mention, there are many times where they're like, oh, remember like Ico in The Last Guardian and all that? And there's like a Shadow of the Colossus

like level reference even. But when you play that I'm just Remembering oh, yeah They that guy left the company and they shut down his division like you guys don't even want to make these anymore again Or you'll just find like Parappa. I found a robot that looks like Parappa instantly recognizable or even the ape escape kids But then you see like I find a bearded guy with a do-rag and I'm like, well, that's maybe the dead by day life guy or the other, Day's Gone, is that him? Yeah, hey, look kids, it's Day's Gone by.

It's Mr. Day's Gone. What is this, it's Day's Gone, I think that's the name of the zombie game. I think it's just Day's Gone, yeah, yeah. And well, that was like. Over here, Day's Gone! And that's like another gut punch of it, like last week as you're enjoying Astrobot, then comes out news of like, remember Horizon, Zero Dawn, and day's gone? We're just going to make those again, like you've got to buy them again on the PS5.

And we promise, oh, it looks so much better on the Pro that you've got to spend $700 on. I've been enjoying those PS5 versus PS5 Pro side-by-side screenshots and I know technically it does look better, but I never had a complaint when playing FF7 Rebirth, the most recent game I played on my PS5. Yeah again, it's so great that Astrobot showed that the PlayStation could have games. Finally then once you're done with it in 10 hours, unless you want to have 100% it, then you're just left thinking, boy, they don't make games anymore.

I look, it's gonna be another four years before I can play another thing like Astro Bot, if I'm lucky. As for movies, so okay, I saw Beetlejuice Beetlejuice as well, I liked it. I thought it could be real bad, and it ended up being pretty all right. It was a good time at the movies, I will say. It's one of those movies where I saw it with my wife and then in the following weeks after we watched it,

just while out with each other or sitting with each other, we would just ask each other Beetlejuice Beetlejuice questions like, well, why did this happen? Or why did this character act so different here? And what was the deal with this? The more you think about it, the less good it seems. So I say once you leave the theater stop thinking about Beetlejuice Beetlejuice just be happy that Michael Keaton is still alive and Winona Ryder and Catherine O'Hara and all the all your old friends are back on the screen and looking great and being funny.

It's how I learned that also that Tim Burton is dating Monica Bellucci. I did not know that until this film. I also saw I saw Transformers 1 which I'd also say It's a three star out of five. Those were some of the worst trailers I ever saw it makes you think it's gonna be like the Super Mario Brothers movie It is better than that It is like I feel like the Toy Story 4 director who directed this movie was able to Convince Hasbro as much as he could to make it an actual story about how two friends have a falling out and they become enemies.

Like it at least has a core story to it and they don't play a fucking 80s song in it too and there's so much easy fanservice they could have done. Could this be the first good Transformers movie? Well of course, Bob, the 1985 one was. We covered it, we covered it. I don't think it's good. It's interesting, it's interesting.

I watched it at like the earliest screening day. They had like a special like week early screening of it that you could get tickets to, like just at the movies. But I couldn't complain because I was like, well, yeah, I'm seeing a children's movie, but it was me and then a lot of dads my age with their children who talked through the whole movie. We're just like, wait, what did Optimus Prime say?

What did he say? What? There should be a special adult screening with transformer branded cocktails. I finally watched broadcast news. I cracked open my, uh, my criteria. And I really do think like what James O'Brooks does is like elevated TV. Like it could have been like a really great TV show instead it's like a really great movie full of amazing acting.

But it also is like the oh the news man aren't they great like it's such a centrist apolitical vision of news of 80s news. And of course though his warning of the news is going to become very vapid and people are just going to like fill it with bullshit like What he thought was bullshit are guys who are revered broadcasters today. Yeah, I I never watched this movie I really want to because obviously James L. Brooks Simpsons I've not really seen a lot of his movies and I'm really familiar with Network and the message is ascending there. That was a that was a movie I used in my college writing class

So I've seen it a lot and it funny, when I was teaching that class in 2008, I thought, oh, these things network is predicting are cute because we've gone so far beyond that. And that was in the Fox News era of American propaganda. Now we've gone even further beyond that. So I have not seen network in a very long time. It'd be cute to see what's going on there and also to watch this and feel how the predictions

are just like, wow, we've lapped that by several times and I also you mentioned the boy in the heron earlier Bob I watched Hayao Miyazaki and the heron, which is the new companion documentary that just got released on On max and I think it was on the the 4k release the US, and it was out in Japan before that. It's the one, Nina had a very funny post about it because it does start with Miyazaki going to a onsen to relax after the film is complete, and so it's like a fully nude shot of him

just sitting in the, with digitized, but Nina compared it to the opening of the Mr. Sparkle commercial. Hello, American investor. Yes. You should not watch it if you haven't seen The Boy and the Heron. It is a good companion to it because it is his entire eight-year journey of working on it.

You get to watch him age and age and age. You get to watch his friends die and how that affects him. It is the most old man Miyazaki movie there ever has been. And they all, and all of those, it's like the fourth of those of like, this guy's old now, can you believe how old he is? Can he still do it? I respect a lot of things he's done, but I'm kind of tired of hearing about him and how every movie is about him.

And I guess there, there's some value to be had in this, what could be the making of his final feature, but I feel like it won't be, I I feel like we're gonna get another movie and another documentary to go along with it Not not to ruin the ending of the movie Bob. Yeah in the last in the last five minutes It's just the Suzuki saying no, he's not done. He's not this isn't the last one unless he dies This isn't his last one. It's a very video game conference. Oh and one more thing isn't his last one. It's a very video game conference. Oh, and one more thing. Well, it ends with him drawing a new piece of artwork for Nausicaa, which would imply that he's going to finally like adapt the other half of his Nausicaa comics as his last film, which would be a fitting last film. But again, he's fucking 80 now. Like he's very, that film told me

this guy is too old now. Like he, I'll give it to the documentarians that they were being honest to this degree But they showed him forget stuff and have his animation director tell him no We already reviewed that remember and Miyazaki like is humiliated by his like, oh, oh, right. Okay, and he goes back to his desk I I mean you've heard my thoughts on boy in the hair and I reviewed it on letterbox You want to check it out? I don't want to be a stinker But I feel like throughout the making of the movie He was forgetting a lot like how to tell a story Etc. Etc. This that movie won't change your mind the documentary

I want to revisit that movie with a dub because I feel it maybe I'll be able to Just tune in more without having to constantly read and draw my eyes away from things on the screen Maybe a revisit is in order But I feel like I'm on a different page than everyone else when it comes to that film. And other stuff there. This could fill a whole podcast, but I'll just quickly mention I finally went on for my birthday on a trip to Orlando to do all the theme park stuff there with me and my husband. I also saw Brian Poseyne live and that was really nice. My husband

got me a cameo for Brian Poseyne, which was incredibly nice. We actually made him tear up as he was reading about how much we love his character, Brian, with Brian and Steve in the Sarah Silverman program. That's cute. He's a big lug. He was extremely nice. It was something, it also felt, it did feel like a marking of time for me

being back in Florida and watching a standup show, because back then, when I was a teen in Florida, if Brian Posey came anywhere near my town, that would be a rarity. And here he is in Orlando and I get to see him. And now you're just as bearded as him. I am, I am. And smaller than him too.

Most people are. Some of his jokes are about how he got up to, he's doing better now, but in the pandemic, he got up to 400 pounds. He was really big. And he talks about how in his weight journey, he just put on the king size Homer episode. And when Homer is at his fattest at 300

and he's heavier than Homer, he's like, God, I hate myself right now. And fuck you, Bill and Josh, he said. Yeah, I remember seeing him throughout the pandemic not in person obviously, you know via social media and thinking I hope he's okay I hope this is temporary I just was a little worried about when comedians get older comedians aren't always the healthiest guys out there He seems to be doing better. That's great. He looked good in the picture. So I was happy for him Yeah, as far as rides go the only stuff

I really want to highlight are the things I was happy for him. Yeah, as far as rides go, the only stuff I really wanna highlight are the things I was scared that are about to go away. I did Muppet Vision 3D three times, because I was like, God, is this the last time? No, I wanna watch it one more time. But it is under-attended. Like, if it was half full, I'd be surprised. And it's sandwiched between Star Wars zones,

so it'd be so easy for it to just be enveloped by the Star Wars of its area I can see it just becoming stroller parking It's pretty much what it is now They won't even let you go on the second floor of Pizzeria So like I was like oh I got to check out pizza Rizzo in the second floor because that has like like a wedding decor And it's more Muppet jokes. It was roped off and they wouldn't let you go up there. That's lightsaber storage, you can't go up there.

The area they have for lightsaber storage is what used to be the animation building. I walked around there too and it's just, it's where you take photos with Chewbacca now. Oh, what a bummer. I also did the Spider-Man ride many times at Universal. It's still the best. I love that ride I wrote it when it was brand new. It's 25 years old now. I'm still riding it Also, I rode the Aerosmith roller coaster

I just mentioned that because it is the new highest level of intensity roller coaster It is like upside down twice and corkscrewing like it is whoa. It is too much So are you willing to, you know, keep at that level of intensity in terms of roller coasters? I feel like I could creep up one more level. I could, I could go up one more level. I didn't do the Hulk coaster. I might do the Hulk coaster next time. Yeah. For me, I can't do big drops, but the Incredicoaster was good. I like the Incredicoaster. There aren't like huge steep drops There's a loop to loop which I was able to do and that's kind of it. I know my limits You know loops mess me up more than a drop. I have actually now a lover of drops

I I was so excited. I don't know if you saw my picture from riding the the Tower of Terror Bob But I was the most excited on there. It's like woo. Yay. Like I love the the Tower of Terror Bob, but I was the most excited on there. I was like, woo, yay. Like, I love the Tower of Terror. I can't get over the feeling that I'm going to die when I'm dropping, even though I've been on several drops, my brain refuses to learn. So I don't like the feeling of death, is what I'm saying, ultimately. Oh, and I went to the Simpsons Springfield in Orlando,

and we just went to the Hollywood once, and now I've been to both in like three months around next to each other and I can unequivocally say Hollywood is better but Orlando does have a King, sorry a Kodos ride which is just it's just a baby ride but Kodos is talking to you the whole time and you can buy a John Swartzwelder themed frozen drink there. So those are positives. Okay. Yeah, I think I remember seeing the Mount Swartzwelder thing in Hollywood. I could be wrong.

I think it's just apple juice though. I think it's just the juice for kids. It's not a slushie. Here or here Orlando. It was a frozen slushie. It was an apple slushie. If you got a orange one, it was the Groovy Grove was that one for it.

So they were all named. I appreciated the naming conventions, but they don't have the hidden Krusty room there. And also they do not run it very well there. We have to go back. That room is not hidden. We have to let that be cleared everyone out there. There are several entrances and exits

and it's just on the second floor of Krusty Burger. What actually neither restaurant has any theming. It's just really, it's a Simpsons food court. Now, in that food court, they have a Flaming Mo's neon sign, just like episode accurate, and a Frying Dutchman neon sign that's episode accurate, but it's really just a food court other than that. So California Reigns Supreme, once again.

Yes, once more it does. And yeah, I could say a ton more things, but I really did have a Epcot, I am now old enough to love Epcot. Epcot was my favorite. It was full of great food and culture and also a great new roller coaster starring my good buddies, the Guardians of the Galaxy. And yeah, sorry, what was the one? Did you talk about Tron yet? Oh, I did write the Tron light cycle. That also is pretty intense. It's too short. That's the only negative I'd say about it, but it is something to be locked in looking forward

in a motorcycle for a roller coaster. Like it's a really cool setup. And you're sitting leaning forward, right? Like you're on a cycle. Yes. Okay. They basically put a back brace on you and force you forward.

Yeah. Oh, and I rode the Avatar ride. So now the flight of passage. So now our friends on Podcasts, the Ride, I get all of their references to Sivako and the mighty Akron. Did you run into any typical Florida stuff? The real Florida, in other words.

You know, less so than you would think in the Disney bubble. Only really at Universal, because that's where we went to City Walk and I did get a little of that at the old City Walk. I guess the drunken people. I guess Universal is where people go when they think Disney is grooming children. They'll go, we'll go to Universal instead. That's true.

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Let's talk about recent comments and questions from the last round of episodes. And the first one up is Triasifor14 and all the trophies says, glad someone else already brought it up, but to elaborate, it is funny that there's a conversation in the podcast episode about Simpsons versus Family Guy, stealing from one another when the run like the wine mispronunciation gag was one of the bigger controversies around when it happened. I'm sure it's faded since then, but I remember early social media posts lambasting the Family Guy episode Welcome Back Carter for featuring Lois's father making the exact same joke as Marge nearly seven years later. Plenty of ideas can be chalked up to

lateral thinking even when separated by nearly a decade of joke writing, but I think the fact that the punchline was so similar, even though the setup wasn't, is what really riled people up. So I was not aware of this. I was not watching Family Guy that late. I think I cashed out in season five or six. Yeah, no, I didn't know that one either. It does add extra comedy too. This is the Simpsons ripping off Family Guy instead of the other way around and then seven years later they steal or lateral thinking a same line from the scene that stole from them.

So I guess at least in this time they can be like, well, hey, we're just stealing back a joke from a scene they stole from us. Yeah. So sometimes it does seem like lateral thinking. Sometimes in my mind, I think this joke is so famous, you have to have known and you just went ahead anyways and you thought people won't care even if you didn't set out to steal someone could have pointed out it like it's not similar to mr. plow and you someone would say that it'll be fine yeah you

just claim claim ignorance afterwards meanwhile on that same episode that Komorowski says will and I shared some delightful messages when those nude Dean and Jerry photos went up for auction. These were actually published at the time in 1963, cropped as part of a magazine feature on the duo's wacky doings at the gym. The uncropped photos were supposedly from the estate of a chauffeur of Jerry's, so fear of Jerry's. A lot of us guess he was blackmailing him along with the mob. Will and I were really excited that in the same lot were alleged nude explicit photos of Betty Hutton

and her lovers, but it turned out it was just a rando lookalike gal with Sinatra's hired goons. And my beloved fiance gifted me with one of those custom temperature mugs that when it's filled with hot liquid reveals a closeup of Jerry Lewis's bare ass. You know, I guess after 60 years, revenge porn just becomes a collectible. Yes. Once everybody's been dead long enough, I guess so.

That's so funny that it turned out to be from like photos for a magazine where they're like, well, obviously guys will not show your balls in this magazine magazine but we've saved the negatives of your genitals. They were too trusting those two. So moving on to Cape Fear the dudes on movies podcast says at the start of the show you guys asked why Scorsese did this movie when he was primarily known for more personal work. One of the reasons was that he was doing universal a favor because they had financed The Last Temptation of Christ and supported him during the ensuing evangelical protests. It was a movie no one else wanted to touch and because he was grateful to them for standing by the

work he agreed to remake Cape Fear for them. Bob talked about all the camera movements and push-ins and that's an aspect I love about it too. It's a genre movie made by a craftsman which I'd also love to see more of. Thank you guys. Yeah, I really appreciated Cape Fear more upon this second viewing as an adult. And I recently rewatched The King of Comedy and I like it even more. I had not seen it in maybe like 17 years. I think over the passage of time, that movie cuts more to the bone, I feel. You've known more Rupert Pupkins, you've seen that kind of person in the wild more and it's totally worth watching

You know, obviously check it out if you haven't it's great And if you enjoy Joker you might enjoy King of Comedy. Yeah film that has a couple things in common Maybe I haven't seen Joker yet and we want to see the sequel So I I had us watch the King of Comedy first and I'm I really want to see How similar Joker is because I know De Niro's in it and I know it's a big homage to the King of Comedy first and I'm I really want to see how similar Joker is because I know De Niro's in it And I know it's a big homage to the King of Comedy and you're gonna like the Joker even less our Joker even less I keep see I'm adding a V when I should be taking it away there. That's gonna be for the reboots in ten years It's gonna be the Joker

Also, the Cape Fear thing it meant bringing up that it was a remake and how he did exciting camera movements And it's just like so wild. Red Letter Media today just put out a great 10-minute video just listing all of the remakes that are happening now and they have a way of listing things that makes you go like wow I didn't even know about all of these I'm extra depressed about media. Yeah I like nothing more than a Red Letter Media list where they're reading everything very flatly and it keeps going on and on and everything is real. Yeah. Remakes today are not like when Martin Scorsese remade Kate Feare, that's for sure. Meanwhile, Kate Santi says in reference to how there is that play that is about a post-apocalyptic people

reciting this episode of Simpsons, which some people are like, oh, why didn't you bring it up? Kate has addressed it enough here. I watched a few different recorded performances of Mr. Burns, a post-electric play, because I decided the best chaser to a podcast that summarized and contextualized Cape Fear in depth was a play about post-apocalyptic survivors trying to recall the same episode

without the benefits of home video or the internet. The idea of a Simpsons episode evolving into a bizarre morality play survivors trying to recall the same episode without the benefits of home video or the internet. The idea of a Simpsons episode evolving into a bizarre morality play where the theme is sung as a dirge by a Greek chorus may not gel with everyone. Mike Reese apparently didn't care for the play, but I really enjoy the play's exploration of our relationship with pop culture and the way stories are affected by changing material conditions. Each production has its own distinct interpretation

of the second and third acts, and I hope I get an opportunity to see a live performance at some point. My personal favorite out of the ones that are on YouTube is the Harvard-Tetro production, which has consistently solid naturalistic acting and lots of fun and unique flourishes, including changing the setting from the Northeast

to the US-Mexico border and incorporating the culture of that region into the universe's post-electric plays. Yeah I've been curious about this play I have not seen it performed anywhere in the Bay Area when I was living there or Vancouver since I've been living here. I know Mike Reese seems to really hate it and I'm just curious I'd give it a shot just a fun night out just to see like well what is this is this about? And is it good? Yeah, no, I've heard conflicting things about it. I've always I considered it when it was new. I feel like it must have had some it's like made to be done at, you know, the college

rep theater, like they would have done at the Berkeley College. I bet they would have done it. But someday maybe I will just cut to the chase and watch Kate's suggested version that's on YouTube to check out that one from the Harvard T-Tro production. Of course they do it at Harvard. They, honestly, maybe that insulted Mike Reese Moore that it was performed at Harvard. Who knows, we can ask him one day. Moving on to my mother, the car tracker,

Tyler the Destroyer says, this episode touches me in a very deep way. I've always been a mama's boy, being raised by my grandmother who I always called mom. Seeing Homer with an elderly mother felt very familiar with me. And now it being almost a decade after losing her I could completely understand Homer's obsession with wanting one last chance to be with her. The sadness is definitely manipulative and the constant humiliation Homer feels is so darkly funny you forget how strange it is that Mona would go through such weird methods to be with her child all in all it makes me Laugh and get choked up. I never thought I would say that about a season 15 episode and yeah, I feel similar ways about My grandma who we lost her in like 2010. I was very close to her

I was a mama's boy and a grandma's boy, but not in the Adam Sandler context So whenever I see Media about greatest generation old ladies, it warms my heart a bit. That's why I really liked Escape from Party Island, the King of the Hill episode, because it's all old women that were all from my grandmother's generation and women the same age as the women I worked with at a grocery store way back in the day.

So I have a lot of fun, heartfelt memories of old ladies that are no longer with us anymore. Yeah, I appreciated Tyler sharing the sweet memory that an episode we didn't love evoked for him. Joe Hodgson, meanwhile, has our reactions to talking about Splash Mountain. I love Splash Mountain, but haven't written the new version. I do hate that they removed the fear element from the big drop. The Disney World version is also the superior one, and I think Henry's assumption is correct that the further back you sit sit the less wet you get. That

is unless the ride stops on its way back to the boarding area. My wife and I pause there right next to this little stream of water that trickles down the fake mountain. Normally when you're going by it you just get a little spray but if trapped there it pours over you. That's the wettest I've ever been on a ride. And I hope that ancient Simpsons ride can stay put just a little bit longer. I'm currently planning a trip there in February so I can finally see Simpsons world

before it's likely put out to pasture for some other worse IP. Splash Mountain, again, the new Splash Mountain, it's sweet and fun and has good new animatronics in it. I wish it still made you scared. That is still a bummer about it. Meanwhile, yes, the Simpsons World area in Orlando also felt less taken care of than the Hollywood one as well.

Like it felt in worse condition too, and that includes the ride. Yeah, I never rode Splash Mountain as a child, so I never got the whole make you afraid aspect. I have huge amounts of anxiety over the drop, of course, but the theming, I never really incorporated that into the feelings I feel on the ride. I know you had ridden Splash Mountain as a kid

or rode Splash Mountain as a kid. Yeah, no, and I rode it for the last time, like when its death date had been announced, like in its last year of operation. And what I specifically mean is during the ride, which again is, you know, based on a very problematic film, was a dumb decision they made in the first place. But Brayer Rabbit is being threatened with murder. He's gonna be killed.

And he says, don't throw me, like, he's like, well, he's caught, he's gonna die. And like a vulture then tells you Well, he's about to die and so are you as you're like chickening up like cha-chunk-chunk It scared the hell out of me as a kid. It still was kind of scary to when I was like 39 But then the fun of it is you he says oh then don't throw me in the briar patch, which that's the joke He the briar patch he'll be safe. He won't be dead. He can survive in the briar patch. So when you drop, you drop into the briar patch and everything's fine and then you hear zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay. Like your excitement over surviving the drop is then enhanced by hearing

zip-a-dee-doo-dah. That up and down emotional feeling is muted when you take away that fear aspect. Mostly my feelings about that ride are my back hurts and I'm wet. The older you get the less you're into being wet and having your back hurt. Not a lot of cushioning on that ride. My husband rode the Incredible Hulk coaster and he's like, you could take it from the intensity level but it literally will leave your back sore the rest of the day. Yeah, Simpsons ride, like all of the rides that aren't high intensity at Universal screwed me up,

like the Simpsons ride and the Minions ride, just no padding and they're like shaking you around on these like hard plastic surfaces. I'll tell you what didn't hurt my back, the terrible Jimmy Fallon ride. Oh, great, that thing. Oh, I only know about it from podcasts, the ride. I took a picture, I gotta tweet the ride. I took a picture.

I got to tweet that out. I took a picture with the Conan closet, the tiny tribute to Conan as the tonight show host. It's, from what I remember, I'm just summarizing other podcasts now, by the way. What I remember about the podcast, the ride episode, is that it's the ride features a bunch of bits that he stopped doing immediately after the show started.

Like, look, it's the panda guy. And then you're like, who? What? And him playing a little girl and 80 miles is their dad. And, uh, yeah. Well, and also like you do have, yeah, it's, it's, it is such a lame ride. It is so lame. It is kind of fun to walk through a fake 30 rock. Like that is okay, but otherwise it is a lame ride. So moving on, we have our what a Cartoon Movie episode for the month of August that was Tarzan and Joshua Marchant says, in animation college there was a long standing drawing exercise where we would take an existing character and pose them in a manner that contrasts their

personality. The example we were shown as it was blown up and pasted on the wall was a perfect drawing of Goofy posed as Tarzan, which I'm now only just connecting are both lead characters in Kevin Lima movies. I wish I'd taken a photo of it or at least learned the name of the artist." That sounds really cool. I just love that connection of Goofy to Tarzan. In Disney World, I did see a little Tarzan merch.

Not much, but mainly in Animal Kingdom. But I did see a backpack, a kid's backpack, where the Tarzan on it, it's him in his skateboarding pose, but you can move the Tarzan up and down the vine or the tree trunk in fun action. Ooh, an interactive backpack. Also, when I went to Animal Kingdom, we had been in so many theme parks by that point that when we saw live animals, our brains first thought was like, that's a pretty good

animatron. Oh wait, no, that's an actual monkey. That's a real monkey. Why would they build a robotic lion just to make it sleep? Meanwhile on Tarzan, Harry Bosher also says, or Boshe, always nice to hear a bit of Brian blessed love. As a father of two young children I hear his voice quite often playing the role of grampy rabbit in Peppa Pig What has my life become there are several episodes and he links to a couple in which he uses his Tarzan call

So I guess this is just a party trick. He's happy to crack out for the right price nowadays. I also agree that Collins' soundtrack for all its charm sounds at least a decade out of date. Maybe it was the Disney exec's revenge for not getting ABBA 15 years past their prime for the Lion King. You know, even if you don't like those Phil Collins songs, it beats whatever was happening in B-movie. Oh yes, oh god yes. Man, I was dying for some Phil Collins in that movie. I do think that soundtrack in 1999, it feels like a shitty 80s soundtrack that you're tired of hearing. The farther you get removed from the 80s,

then it just kind of turns into like, oh, it's more 80s music from Phil Collins. It doesn't feel current. So it gets kind of like folded in with his 80s stuff in my mind. Yeah, it could be, if you didn't know about Tarzan you could say well These are some B sides that were only popular in Japan Which by the way why there wasn't a B side joke in the B movie out of all the B puns

No, they missed some big ones like B side spelling B things like that I have those are the biggest problems with the movie by the way My listeners look forward to that one be my normally stable computer crashed because it could not stand to hear me talking more about the B-movie with Bob. No, it put us all through hell and we're happy to have produced an enjoyable podcast out of having watched B-movie probably three times. Moving on to what a cartoon for the month of September that was Batman Cape Crusader. The episode was The Killer Inside Me.

And Jonathan says, I was so excited to see that Caped Crusader was going to be an actual period piece, but I don't think the show truly delivered on that promise, unfortunately. The Batmobile design is maybe the best example of this where it doesn't really look like any other vehicles in the show. I was hoping for a modified sedan like in the old comics or something, but instead you get this angular weird looking car that just doesn't mesh well. One thing I also wanted to note is that tonally, this Batman is quite similar to how he's portrayed in the recent film. He has a bit more of the Bruce Wayne Keeping Up Appearances aspect of BTAS, but privately

he is very isolated and his relationship to Alfred is similarly strained. I wonder if we'll see a similar character arc in season 2 where Batman does realize that he isn't the actual solution to society's problems. And yes, Jonathan, I am looking forward to season two. I know Brubaker is not going to be a part of this so there could be a step down in terms of the quality of the writing, but I think they might figure out some of the flaws in this season one and I'm hoping to God it looks better than the first season did, which not awful, not terrible, but a little too

cheap at times for me. So I'm hoping they get that feedback as well. You know, Batman Day came and went this weekend without any news on another season after that one. But hopefully we haven't seen the last of Cape Crusader and it only keeps growing. Well, hey, the Penguin series debut. That's what we got for Batman Day. That's right. That Sopranos doc I watched, which I didn't mention that in my viewing thing too, but there's a documentary, a two-part documentary on the making of the Sopranos. It's really good if you're a Sopranos doc I watched which I didn't mention that in my viewing thing, too But there's a documentary a two-part documentary on the making of the Sopranos

It's really good if you're Sopranos fan, but they are marketing the penguin like do you like Sopranos? Well, the penguins pretty much the same thing Not not that interested. Hey, if I hear good things, maybe I'll check it out But we're not getting a new Matt Reeves Batman until oh, let's say 2026 so I know it's gonna be a very very long time before the next Matt Reeves Batman until oh let's say 2026. So I know it's going to be a very very long time before the next Matt Reeves Batman movie. I might give it a watch. I am watching that Agatha all along which I'm under no assumptions that Marvel would make an actually gay queer film or tv show. I do think they at least have a great cast full of women and one gay guy that have done a queerer show

that has been entertaining in the first two episodes, full of a cast that I love. So it's nice, it's nice. It's way better than the last couple of Marvel shows. I didn't know what that was. It had to be explained to me. It's related to WandaVision? Yes, Catherine Hahn, spoilers for WandaVision.

She's the secret villain of WandaVision. And now this is a spinoff starring her character. She's the lady from the winking memes, right? That's right. She plays Agatha Harkness, who is basically the girl Doctor Strange of Marvel Comics. She's like, oh, we couldn't get Doctor Strange. Can we ask Agatha Harkness what this magical totem is?

That's usually her deal. Though she's not, she is normally looks like a 90 year old woman, not you know, a sexy MILF, Catherine Hawn. Anyway enough about MILFs, Pikachu Ferrari says about Caped Crusader. Regarding Batman killing people, he definitely throws people off of roofs or lets them kill each other in self-defense in the early comics. You guys said he used guns and he did carry one very early on but the only person he ever shot was a sleeping vampire. The Batplane gets

introduced in Batman number one and it does have a gun but he uses it to shoot out the engine block of a van killing the occupants which included a monster man. Not to directly shoot anyone though. Most of Batman's kills are like the guys who he definitely leaves dead after Batman throws him headfirst into the ship's hull and lets him drown. Batman v Superman also follows these rules and it's one of the only two Batman movies pre the Batman where he doesn't kill a helpless or unaware victim. So a nice little extra insight into the history of Batman killing people in his earliest appearances that this TV show evokes. Yeah, I guess I don't know where the Batman doesn't kill thing came along,

but I think it's mainly in my head from Batman the animated series because of course he's the hero of a kids cartoon. He can't kill anyone. So maybe I just that's how I internalized the Batman pacifism to an extent. As the rules got more formalized in the Golden Age and into the Silver Age, it was very clear, like, no, Batman doesn't kill people, period. Like, that is not what Silver Age Batman especially does. It was very set by the time the Adam West Show debuted. So moving on to Talking Futurama, the episode was Proposition Infinity, and Andrew Bouvier says, if I may, I want to give a brief shout out to my home state Vermont

One thing you guys missed when going over the history of same-sex marriage slash marriage equality Was the brief window in the aughts when Vermont made civil unions legal in 1999 the Vermont Supreme Court ruled that denying same-sex Couples the same rights as heterosexual couples violated the state constitution the legislature also created the concept of civil unions Knowing that at the time it might be hard to sell the whole concept of gay marriage to everyone. The governor at the time, Howard Dean, signed the bill, and same-sex couples in Vermont were able to get civil unions by July of 2000. Vermont was also the first state to legislate the full same-sex marriage into law in 2009. All previous states that had same-sex marriage had so either via state supreme Court ruling or a ballot measure, which are not permitted under the Vermont constitution. Yes.

Thank you, Andrew. And thank you, Vermont. I obviously couldn't cover every detail about the fight for marriage equality because the podcast would have been about that in several episodes long, but I know I missed a few things and that was a vital step in the process to making it a America-wide thing. I was also disappointed myself that I had forgotten all of this Vermont-specific history in the gay marriage or marriage equality debate.

See, even I'm using the, it's hard to deprogram myself from the loaded term of gay marriage that was used against us when marriage equality is such a better term for it. Jonathan says on that same episode, "'My parents were elementary school teachers "'and they hated hearing the arguments that they'd teach gay marriage in schools.

I remember my dad saying, We don't teach marriage at all. What the hell are you talking about? But fundamentalists love making up arguments about what public schools do to drum up fear and further their own aims with destroying public education as well. So it was an disgusting two-pronged attack.

It sucks that public school is used to try to launder all these hateful ideas because parents are morons and don't bother actually looking at anything. So horrible shit gets passed. And as you mentioned, it was just transferred to hate of trans people after marriage equality was realized and it had zero impact on straight couples, which obviously, Yeah, you know had zero impact on straight couples, which obviously. Yeah, you know, it's easy to forget, but the long con that conservatives are running

is to completely eliminate the concept of free public education. Yeah, yeah, it's all, that's all why you hear about school vouchers, it's why you hear about all of these 10-year teachers. All of these things are meant to destroy public education because it is rooted in a lot in Christians who don't want their children to not be taught in an un-Christian

place and of course it goes back to the end of segregation too. Yeah, and also the idea of feeding hungry children? Not in my country. I can tell you as a poor kid I did eat breakfast and lunch on your dime Ohio taxpayers. You kept me alive That's I mean that is one of Tim Walls is most winning things is that he's like, yeah I give kids free lunch like I'm not I'm campaigning on free lunch for children That's that free stuff in general people like that They want you to campaign on that especially if they're children and can't work jobs to earn money to buy lunch Hey, I'm actually they're trying to change that too. So never mind. Oh, right. Especially if they're children and can't work jobs to earn money to buy lunch.

Hey, actually they're trying to change that too, so nevermind. Oh right, yeah. See, that's the answer, isn't it? Right? Yeah, if you're eight, you can't afford lunch, well how about a shift at the slaughterhouse? You learned, first you learned responsibility

by having lunch debt at school and being shamed by that. Now you'll learn responsibility by cleaning the blades at the Tyson Chicken Factory. Great place we got here Moving on to talking in the hill the episode was wings of the dope and Anna Mansanger says I always felt that Buckley telling Luanne She has a birthmark on her butt is a subtle joke because Luanne asked Buckley to prove He isn't a figment of her mind, but obviously she would know she has a birthmark on her butt, too So it doesn't actually prove anything at all. That's good. That's good, Anna. I think that is a secret joke in the show that I totally

missed. It's information that not only Buckley would know, but she would know as well. So I trust King of the Hill to be that subtle with a joke like that. Yeah. He could say, remember when we did this or like I owned this or whatever, but it's a fact about her butt and a birthmark on her butt, yeah. Good catch, Anna. And Langdon Olger also had a good catch in our final comment for this podcast. One small thing, Luanne needs to pay for the trimester

of beauty school, which I find to be a funny specific detail. Also, Luanne does go on to be a successful hairstylist. She was the first chair at Hotties with a Z, then settled down at Jack's across the street. Yeah, I think some people were talking in the Discord and maybe in the comments that they didn't like Luanne eventually drops out of college. And I had reservations about that decision as well when I was watching the show while

it was airing. But upon rewatching it and thinking about it more, it does feel like a realistic King of the Hill touch. There are never stories where a character drops out of school and then does something else that's fulfilling. And especially around the time it was happening, people, the college was becoming less important. People were realizing, oh, this degree gets me nothing and so on. So I feel like it was interesting that she went back to that and they got more stories

out of that. I was disappointed myself for forgetting Hotties with a Z and that I think I said that, oh, and this gets Luanne off of her track to be a stylist, to do something new. But it's like, no, no, she, but I guess ultimately what it ends up teaching her is like, you don't need to be in a class that makes you feel horrible to become a stylist.

You actually, you had the power within yourself all along, Luanne. That's what Jesus wanted her to learn. Yes, and Buckley's angel. So that has been another episode of Talk to the Audience. Look forward to more news next month, but also look forward to our live show in Portland at Kelly's Olympian on Wednesday, October 2nd

at eight o'clock p.m. We hope to see you there. Again, tickets are going very, very fast, so you wanna check the ticket link within this podcast description and buy your ticket if you haven't already. Please check it out. it's a great time of the year to come to Portland we always have so much fun at that great venue we

love going there it's been so much fun the previous two times we're gonna have an awesome time that night too and don't forget too that we've got a lot of cool stuff coming up this month we got Rocco's modern life we've got the DaVinci code we've got take me out of the ballgame and we've got Hotel Transylvania as our movie which a lot of you guys have been wanting us to do. Plus some really cool guests coming up on Talking Simpsons this month as well. So look forward to all that cool stuff that we've got planned. Thanks so much for listening folks. We'll see you then. Music Wow, infotainment!