Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Bart's Friend Falls In Love With Nick Wiger

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

As we near the end of the season with an ep about friendship and food, both subjects are explained to us by Nick Wiger from the great podcasts Doughboys and Get Played! Bart is a third wheel as Milhouse finds love for the only time in his life, while Homer grows his vocabulary instead of losing weight. Plus talk of rich creamery butter, magic eightballs, sex education, and tons more. So grab that metal dealie you use to dig food and listen to this podcast! Support this podcast and get over 150 bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking Simpsons head there to check out exclusive podcasts like talking Futurama talking of the hill the what a cartoon movie podcast and tons more I hardly endorse this event or product product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, where forbearance is the watchword. I'm your host, the high school dropout living off Uncle Sucker Bob Mackey, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who is here with me today, as always? A triumvirate of Twinkies merely overwhelmed my resolve. And I'm Henry Gilbert.

And who is our special guest on the line? That's me, Lil' Knee Socks, Nick Weiger. And this week's episode is Bart's Friend Falls in Love. Attention, class, I have a new student for you. Great, another student. Just keep packing him in, Seymour. I think we should discuss this later edna this episode originally aired on may 7th 1992 my 10th birthday and as always

henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history oh my god oh boy happy birthday bobby crisscross's jump tops the charts. The 27th Amendment is ratified. And the show that Sam Simon left The Simpsons for, Sibs, has been canceled. No, not Sibs. Sibs is gone. A completely forgotten show. I don't know if you know the story of Sibs, Nick. It's the show, like Henry said, obviously, Sam Simon left it, The Simpsons, to be on Sibs, to run Sibs.

Sibs premieres the same night as Home Improvement. Home Improvement is one of the biggest shows of the 90s. Sibs? Yes. Maybe second or third. Was it live action? It was. And Alex Rocco was a major character, Roger Meyer himself.

And Dan Castaneda, I believe, was a major character on the show. Yeah, he was recurring. And it starred kids it's sibs meaning a bunch of like grown-up uh family like brother and sister moved back in with their parents kind of deal and there's a cute kid in it and yeah according to the wiki there's 10 unaired episodes of the series so this is why production behind the scenes was as we've said many times sam simon was the showrunner of one and two during season three sibs starts up so sam simon also potentially so he'll stop feuding with mac raining gets moved over to sibs and then sibs gets canceled and i think they tell sam simon no you just uh just stay just stay stay away wow though sam simon uh would get his executive producer developer money for the rest of his life uh for not touching the

simpsons the entire time no yeah he's he's he's credited on on the entire run it seems it have y'all ever seen sibs i have seen clips from it but it's not like it never got a dvd release or anything those other episodes were somebody taped them and put them like i think definitely i i've watched a little on archive.org i think that has some of them yeah i mean i was watching so much tv around this time as a kid uh like an episode of sibs might have crossed my vision but i have no memories of it at all wow and uh And the 27th Amendment, that is the one that's pretty boring as far as amendments go. It's just that Congress can't give itself raises during it. If Congress votes to give itself a raise, it's to the next term.

It can't be during the term you're in. Well, they found a lot of other ways to make money, didn't they? Oh, yes. And, of course, crisscross, jump, jump. Yes, a big hit on the playground where I grew up. Yeah, my clothes are on backwards right now. I actually have a memory of going on a field trip with two kids, two cool kids showed up wearing their pants backwards,

and I was like, they are're so cool i can't even believe it like i thought i like just like they they were just fully in on the crisscross trend you know like right like right when it was at peak time at peak point in the zeitgeist and just seeing two kids wearing backwards pants blew my mind and now when i imagine uh i don't imagine crisscross in the backwards clothes i think of the Tasmanian devil and Bugs Bunny wearing the backwards clothes in the classic outfit. That's right. That's true. That kind of became a thing where it was like all of the Warner Brothers characters just appropriated them.

And then that was like the cool thing to wear. Well, because the Warner Brothers were much more street than the friendly Disney characters, especially in the early 90s. We looked into this for a Looney Tunes game episode of Retronauts, and the case was that street artists were using the characters for cool murals, and then Warner Brothers just stole their characters back. Like, what if Bugs Bunny was doing all this stuff, but he wasn't smoking a blunt? Just remove the blunt and then sell it for 25 at the official warner store the

blunt can be a carrot folks and i i said up front this was my 10th birthday party my 10th birthday rather it was very memorable for me because not only was there a new simpsons i it was my only formal birthday party at a location the only one i ever got in my life and i was a good kid but i want to know you guys was there did you ever have like a simpsons birthday episode one that went live on your birthday making a very special day man i know i i'm an august birthday oh so i don't think it was ever airing you know maybe no because because even later in its run they started they started making the treehouse of horror the season premiere so i don't think it was there was ever a new episode in August that I can remember.

How about you, Henry? Well, you know, first off that, you know, Brother, Can You Spare Two Dimes was August 27th. I don't know exactly when your birthday is. Oh, my birthday is August 28th. That might be, this is amazing because that's an episode I missed in its first run. It was new to me in syndication.

So I wonder if I had some birthday related event on the sunday instead of the monday i wonder if it was like a birthday observed on the sunday ended up missing the new simpsons episode that's uh that's it wow you have the same birthday as my brother which is wow one week uh and well three years earlier uh three years later in one week difference for me like we're both virgos here uh wow uh but yeah no i didn't have a birthday i don't recall a birthday simpsons either like a september 6th simpsons airing was rare not that it never happened but no i uh so yeah i never i don't think i did have a simpsons viewing on my birthday well on this day i was playing my

new turbo graphics 16 getting ready for a new Simpsons episode, and in about five months, I would have a Super Nintendo because TurboGrafx, not a good choice. It was very cheap, though. I will say, though, I would have at the time, if we'd known each other, I would have envied you in the same way I envied those kids wearing those backwards

pants on that field trip, because I thought the TurboGrafx was such a cool-looking system. I was fascinated by, like, Alex Kidd in Miracle miracle world i want to know what that was all about i mean i was the only kid in my class who could play bonk's revenge yeah that's cool that's cool you're thinking of chuck rock oh my god they look they both rock or the caveman ninja who were the caveman ninja they Wait, were those the guys? Joe and Mac. Joe and Mac. Okay, so that's the same franchise.

I was thinking Joe and Mac was something different. I had friends over for a birthday party type thing, like a sleepover type deal. And my mom would take my brother and me around birthdays to an arcade. But we never had a dedicated party at a... Aladdin's Castle was our local one yeah my only dedicated party at an arcade it totally ruled i don't know where they got this money from but it was a banner year for the mackie family wow we never i never had an explicit like i'm gonna have a party at an arcade but i did have one day where i did have one one birthday where my dad was like i'll either get

you a the new nintendo game you want the new nes game you want or you can take 40 and go to the arcade as like 40 fucking arcade like all the way and that's what i did and i went with my friend dane and we had a time of our life it was just like it's like the idea of having two 20 bills you could cash in for arcade tokens also at aladdin's castle that was our we had a local one of those was just uh absolutely mind-blowing for sure yeah i i yeah it's just the magic of like i have enough quarters that i can see the end of the simpsons game or yes yeah x-men game that was another favorite yeah but but yeah that's that's what happened uh the day bob turned 10 in this episode uh but joining us once again this time it's nick

weiger of the podcast dough boys and get played i believe nick was last with us for homer defined earlier in the season so welcome back to the show nick wow very happy to be here what a what an absolute treat always a treat to join you guys no lakers to talk about this time but this does have a few things that reminded me of like oh man i think nick would be a great fit for this right yeah yeah there's not a phone call to magic johnson in this one but nothing that explicit things seem to be going great with uh both get played in dough boys you guys i mean you guys are doing so many new like video dough boys it's great watching you guys like in person again it feels like uh things are back to normal. Yeah, I mean, it's really interesting. And because I remember when I first guested on y'all's show,

you would travel down to LA, like do in-person records with guests, which in the age of Zoom, it seems like that's so, that's like, it feels strange to have done it that way, but it was like, I loved it. It was great to just sort of, you know, see in person and kick with you that way and there were other shows that did the same sort of thing or like hey if you're in town coming to studio and guest on the show and then we got so

kind of entrenched in the world of video podcasting that i think we we when we had the possibility of of emerging out of the other side of it we were like well let's go in studio and see how that feels and yeah we really like it for us the video is kind of a happy accident you know head gum our podcast network for doughboys happen to have cameras there we're like you guys want to roll videos like yeah all right and we're surprised by how much people like it i i always do i mean like i always think of podcasts as something i just listen to but there's a lot of people who just want to watch it and uh also the the get, you guys have been doing a lot of like exclusive stuff as well.

And on top of just your regular weekly podcast, like your Get Animated, like you guys started with Evangelion, but you've been watching a lot of different anime for it. We're watching Blue Lock lately.

We're actually just wrapping up our Blue Lock miniseries, which is Blue Lock is a soccer anime. I don't know much about soccer although i'm an avid nba fan it's it you know it's a sport that i really only watched during the soccer i really only watched during uh the world cup but it's it's it's really engrossing because it's basically like what they've done is it's it's a reality show format an elimination

competition style format but like fictionalized and so it's kind of like the stakes of a squid game these players uh but it's not actually violent and they're just playing so they're playing soccer matches for their career each and every week and it's amazing how compelling it is yeah it's a really well done show it it hooked me yeah that sounds cool i i actually haven't got to check that show out that sounds cool anime is the only time i can care about sports which is why i was disappointed in creed 3 because right creed 3 i was promised like the fights are so anime and really just slow motion punches a lot of the time and then they rip off the

the double punch from Ashita no Joe so yeah there's one I feel like pretty good kind of impressionistic anime fight sequence towards the end but yes it was definitely it did not quite deliver as much anime as i would have

hoped i mean i guess it kind of just being broad and so much about you know family it kind of has an operatic sort of anime feel narratively but uh yeah if you're if you're just expecting like a live action dragon ball z you're not going to get that for for normie movie reviewers it was extremely animated them like we've as we've seen in the last month of people going like now i've never played this tetris but i suppose this is an interesting film i find bowser to be a mix of lionel barrymore and the madam puppets we're all familiar with that's a real that's a real quote bob say there that's yeah when i'm playing the game i'm like bowser just like lionel barrymore is jumping off my screen you know the villain from it's a wonderful life that's him right yeah okay yes that's so bowser in his wheelchair what that's

yeah it's so just when it's i'm starting to feel like man i am old then like an 800 year old movie reviewer is just like treating the nintendo entertainment system as this like new fad it's it's crazy yeah yeah yeah it's like reading that like diane feinstein our senator and senior senator in california graduated from college in 1955 it's like that that feels like an impossible uh chronological possibility but just yeah it's it's a but also i think that that that little sentence fragment i just said there sounded like something homer would say after using the vocabulary builder. Just just needlessly, needlessly gilding the lily.

But, yeah, it's it's it's amazing how old some of these still working critics sound in their prose and their writing. It's like seeing that photo of Nancy Pelosi as a debutante with JFK. Yeah. Like it's been dead for 60 years now. Yeah. But, oh, and also you guys have some live shows coming up too. You guys are always on tour. Yeah, this is coming out in May. We're touring.

We haven't been on tour as much lately for, you know, the reasons. But we are touring in June. we're going to minneapolis and chicago and we're also going to washington dc and new york city and uh boston that's happening for doughboys so you can see doughboys live you know if you follow the podcast you probably maybe you've already heard about them but check it out some of your chicago ones are my favorites of your live shows because you guys are like so accusatory to there's a there's a bit of a your work with the crowd and that's just like how do you live like you're just asking like how do you eat this stuff regularly chicago you're insane i felt that way when i was in

milwaukee recently yeah it's intense we'll talk about it when we get to the line but every place in milwaukee you could order fried cheese and it's delicious. And I did. But yeah, I guess this, this episode we're deep into season three. I mean, in a technical sense, this is the season three finale. That's not how the DVDs count it because they, even though another episode airs, like at the end of August, it's technically a season three episode, not a season four episode. Yeah, sort of like Blood Feud was a late summer season two premiere, right? Yeah, which that one was done because there was going to be the new season premiere of 90210, and they wanted to boost it with the new Simpsons, right?

Yeah, I think so. Yes, yes. That's what it was. This is making so much sense for me now hearing this from the two of you because blood feud another one and i was watching every simpsons when it came out as it was airing another episode i didn't see until syndication i was like oh wow what's this one and i think it must have just been like yeah those those weird late summer airings that i just wasn't conscious of yeah fox wanted to get big well part of their strategy to get headlines was like, well, none of our competitors are showing new episodes in August. Let's give it a shot. But as Al Jean explains and other commentaries are like, so they're like, oh, they're then mad at themselves later that they burned an episode in August when they're like, oh, we're running out of new episodes in April or whatever.

It's just because they showed it in August. Yeah. out of new episodes in april or whatever it's just because they showed it in august yeah and this one uh i i'd say this has the kind of late season unevenness but it's got it's got great gags an awesome b plot and some of the amazing animation like yeah i think i think this is a great episode i i love this episode i'm really glad i get to talk about i think this one rips i watched it twice in preparation for this. I've seen it a bunch of times, obviously. You know what?

Here's my hot take I'll say right now. I think when people talk about peak Simpsons, they're thinking about like what, season six, right? That's generally where people feel like the curve kind of peaks, maybe five, six, seven, somewhere in there when the gags are super duper absurd. And you know, that the characters and all their voices are really, you know, nailed, like, like drilled down, they've really figured out exactly how stupid to make Homer. But there's an argument for this kind of being peak Simpsons, because before they've been exhausted, kind of like the more

simple, you know, family and relationship based storylines. And, you know, the story is a little bit more human, a little bit more connected to reality, but also still has great like cutaway gags and great one off, you know, lines of dialogue. I think I think this episode absolutely rips. Yeah, actually, Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein, who would go on to run season seven and eight they said on the record that they think season three is the best season of television and they tried to pattern what they did after what was done in season three so they definitely agree with you there and i think it's a very strong season and they didn't get hired till season four so they're not even saying like the thing we worked on is that great right yes yes yeah i recently saw i forget where i read it but i saw somebody else saying

online of like oh you know i only really start with like season four when i watch old episodes and like i i can understand we've gone over it a million times but honestly you you're gonna have a good time re-watching even season two or even some season one episodes but to preclude season three is just like not only it's good and for like no you are you are missing some of the best episodes of the series come on like radio bart bart the murderer lisa the greek i can keep going yes they're also good well and also nick i i wonder too like uh this this episode is about it is about like the the appeal of fast food and i definitely think the food stuff and the self-consciousness of gaining weight like this comes from comedy writers who they gain some weight eating on the show like

how dangerous is that as a professional comedy writer i mean like more so i think it's it's having a podcast about chain restaurants and fast food and and although i will say you know from when i've been in comedy writers rooms or any sort of writers room in the past, it's like like I feel like the lunch orders got pretty health conscious in the 2010s. And I think people started being like, oh, we're going to go to a place that does bowls or salads or, you know, everyone is is is counting carbs. So it's a little bit less of I feel like like when you read about, you know, like the like the Larry Sanders show or something. It was like that, like, oh, yeah, we were ordering Chinese every night or we were ordering, you know, California pizza kitchen all the time. It's like everyone was like, was like having these all these huge, like gut bomb hypercaloric meals. But doughboys, the podcast I do about chain restaurants with Mike Mitchell, both of us

gained weight have gained a lot of weight over the course of the run of the show and we realized a big part of that is when your treat meal becomes your work meal like when it becomes like you see it we're all in the the same sort of feel of like like you're you're consuming stuff for to turn it into content and it just has a different feeling even if it's something you like it always kind of feels like a job when you're doing it. So like, I've actually found myself eating more fast food, going to more trashy chains, because the Pizza Hut that I had to review that week for the show didn't quite scratch that itch in terms of what I was craving. So I ended up getting to Ketos from someplace, you know know that's been the main issue is just like turning the the thing that i love into something that that is is a job has made me

consume more of it i i will say doughboys is something i source occasionally when we we talk about like the simpsons writers room orders like you've had yes simpsons writers on who explain the their favorite fast food orders from uh from the writers room 100% we have we've got a lot of context from uh the aforementioned Bill Oakley has been a great guest and great friend of the show and uh Matt Selman as well great guest great friend of the show and yeah it's it is it does seem like in those in the 90s in particular they were having a lot of like really unhealthy stuff and it's just at a certain point i feel like people realize you need working food like you can't just like be weighed down by you know a 900 calorie bacon cheeseburger and then be expecting to come up with a bunch of story ideas and then wash it down with

butterfinger bb's as well yeah especially then i mean i'm just repeating things i said before on the podcast but there were no iphones there were no distractions in a writer's room. So you would just eat, you would just graze all day. And, you know, Bill and Josh have said that, oh, we gained 70 pounds each running the show because there was nothing else to do but eat when you couldn't think of a joke. You just go to the machine, get a cookie. Again, like you said, Henry, just scoop up a pile of Butterfinger BBs off the table, jam them in your mouth. Somebody rings the lunch bell like your co-host, Mike Mitchell. He's ringing that lunch bell. Well, I also think about how it goes around. You'll see it on Twitter or social media all the time of like one of the photos of Conan O'Brien working on the show is all the writers in the writers room with their islands orders all eating like fries and burgers and it's just like right they're eating their big greasy islands burger and the people who are running this season algin and mike reese when they're finally drawn into the show next year they're drawn to be really fat yes yeah that's mike reese jokes that he's like oh that was

the big shocker for me to start losing some weight and he's he's a healthy man now oh yeah totally great yeah yeah uh have y'all ever had high had islands it's really just in stokow yeah i don't think i have i lived there for about a year but i never went to islands yeah it's a it unfortunately i think the location they went to uh for the you know the the simpsons room i think that that location was the original that one's now closed in fact, a lot of islands are closing. It is a chain that I worry is on the precipice of disappearing entirely or being, you know, bought by Warren Buffett or something, which is what always happens with these chains. But I did. But yeah, they they they went from like 12 locations to I think maybe three or four locations

pretty much entirely. And during the pandemic and in its aftermath. Oh, man, I love I love islands. islands islands is a blast are they a burger spot yeah it's burgers it's like a combination tiki bar slash uh burger it's like it's like if a fudruckers had a tiki theme basically well bob's like a tiki part i think yeah well i mean if you pay attention to the awful awful culture wars that are going on there is a group of people that are very upset about the death of the hamburger in America and how it's being supplanted by, like, Mexican food and even pizza. I thankfully haven't seen any of that, but I'm glad to be aware of it. Is the burger, you know, you're the head of the Burger Brigade.

Do you feel burgers weakening any these days, Nick? I now fear as being the head of the burger brigade is going to sound like some sort of weird nationalist thing i am the burger boy but i like all foods all foods are welcome are no burning tiki torches behind nick weicker yeah once they learn your love of del taco they'll they'll turn away from it although del taco has the double del cheeseburger which is a hell of a fast food burger i never had that well i you know i'm pretty light on del taco i have i grew up in florida i did not have access to that i had more uh we had what a burger in my area no no islands so uh yeah what a burger in florida by the time i was in high school, it had creeped across the Gulf of Mexico from Texas to Northern Florida.

Yeah. Yeah. That's like I had Whataburger. We reviewed Whataburger for Doughboys when we were in Texas. I think we reviewed it for our Dallas show. And it was I mean, I will say it lived up to expectations. I thought it was pretty great. But it is also the sort of thing of like you have it.

And they're like when you don't have nostalgia attached to it i'm always going to have my favoritism towards in and out burger because that's what i grew up with but i understand if someone who grew up on water burger comes over and has an in and out burger and is like this isn't what i want it's like yeah it's it's just you don't have you don't have that nostalgic association with it while doing a simpsons podcast we wouldn't know anything about childhood nostalgic attachments causing us to view things. No, no, no. Right.

Yes. What an alien concept. Well, also, yeah, the commentary on this one I want to say is funny because it's another, it's a big one where you get to hear Al Jean talking shit about working for Disney, which is just so funny to hear now. He's a very happy disney employee these days and also julie cabner going that's so nice that's so sweet she's so charming but she doesn't really say anything of substance she's just always like uh supportive of the episodes this is an interesting one because uh the episode before this was the auto show and this is kind of a reverse auto show in that that one focused in uh it made auto the main character for it sort of and then afterwards they're like yeah

we don't want to do stuff with auto anymore this makes millhouse front and center and millhouse will only grow in presence in the show after this episode like this is only millhouse at like 70 percent really well there's no like there's there's no real depth to auto i think auto is a very funny character but the auto show kind of doesn't work well as an episode because it's just like you know you can't you can't explore him in as human a way as you can millhouse who's this vulnerable awkward boy and you know what is there to otto besides he like likes metal and likes to get high you know yeah i mean we just covered it and otto enters that episode in like minute 11 in this one millhouse is there in like uh like second 60

like sorry 90 seconds and maybe he's in the episode what did you think re-watching the auto show i know you'll you'll you'll have just covered it and and your listeners will have just heard about it but just for my personal oh what's up we we liked it though also it felt like the spinal honestly we saw the limits of using spinal tap in the way they did it's like that right yeah that we felt that spinal tap is at their best when they are loose improv but you can't especially back then in animation they weren't going to animate loose improv yeah and Otto to them was a unique character but by the time Otto emerged on TV there was Wayne and Garth and Bill and Ted and oh sure then seemed like a hacky idea to have that kind of a character but to them in in the early uh 89 he was like a new idea for a character yeah

it's a I remember also just on the spinal tap tip the way they use them in that episode their reality is that spinal tap is a big band that people go see like unironically not like there's a comedy metal act but they're just like oh they're just a metal band in the simpsons universe which i found a little confusing and then they sell out an entire arena which is the opposite of what the movie's about yes yeah oh and also uh if you can look it up for yourself online folks on archive.org there is an original script from this episode that is noted as the final delivery script so it's not the version that nancy cartwright's referring to on on the commentary it is dated october 18th 1991 and it is 95 percent of the same but there's a couple

extra lines in it uh that mainly are homer's overly verbose way of speaking that i did clip those out and i'll i'll read them when we get to them but it's uh it's a couple funny ones in there that's great but uh but yes the episode begins with a lengthy Raiders of the Lost Ark opening. And I love how the commentary, they're joking like, you know, it wasn't entirely unfresh at that time. They're admitting it's 92. It's almost 10 years old to do a Raiders joke. Or no, wait. Yeah, it was 81.

It's more than 10 years old. It wasn't that far behind in the rearview mirror, right? Yeah. I mean, Weird Al had a definitive take on that. Oh, God. In UHF, which nobody watched. And I guess that was only- That's a great one in UHF. Yeah.

I love that one. Yeah. Well, Nick, I was curious, how do you, in a writer's room, how do you decide on like, is something a fresh enough film or not to reference? Because like on one show you wrote for comedy, Bang Bang, the TV show, lots of episodes did references to other tv shows or movies like how do you weigh the freshness on things we had a running gag on comedy bang bang referencing battle toads and it drove it kind of drove scott nuts and i think that's why we put

more of it in so we had to keep talking about the battle toads um uh but i i think that i it's tough you know i i think references can sometimes be a crutch but people do really like them a lot you try not to do anything too well worn you try not to do anything too dated you certainly don't want to do anything offensive i tend to lean towards this just like whatever you personally know too much about is always going to be, I think, interesting to lean into. Because if you can throw out the reference to, you know, some particular deep cut, that specificity, I feel like will connect with people even if they don't even know what it is. You know what I mean? Like a lot of times, like the word random is used.

Like that's so random. But when someone says that, what they really mean is that that's so specific that i that it seems random to have been used anyway that's a long-winded way of saying like yeah nothing to nothing that's been done a bunch of times that said been a party to countless star wars references in various comedies so what what what can i say about that i will say i actually worked on the the first american red Day, which is a big special in the UK. And that's like it's like a comedy charity event that they tried to do in the US. I don't know if it's still going or not. Like and this didn't come from me.

It came from someone else who was just like, let's put it. Let's open with the Raiders of the Lost Ark parody. And like because the whole thing is I don't know if you've seen the iconography, but everyone saw these celebrities wearing red clown noses to like raise money for charity. And so they had like a big, the big boulder was turned into a big red nose chasing after Indiana Jones. And that opened the show and that aired in like 2015. So it's like not exactly the freshest use either. So, you know, one of my favorite specifics that i loved on comedy bang bang the tv

show and there's a lot of them but one that just comes to mind i don't know how involved you were in this episode but it was the one with the owls that a leprechaun it was like right after it aired like not within a year i feel like of the last hobbit movie and in the episode scott has dragon sickness in it and it's referencing it like everybody knows this thing from the third Hobbit movie, which is famously an unpopular movie. And I was like, oh, I really, I liked that a lot. Yeah, I didn't have anything to do with that, but that was a funny gag. The Simpsons will be right back. Remember when you were a kid?

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on the commentary that some collector in melbourne or melbourne i guess you're supposed to say like that has the entire scene in his store laid out like a comic book. So the hundreds of frames that make this up, one collector has or had 20 years ago. I'm jealous. It is a really impressive sequence, and not just animation-wise, but I also think talking about executing references in comedy is kind of a find-and exercise right it's like how do we take this thing and then how do we make the rules of our world apply to it so that that it

that it syncs up and so things like figuring out to like oh we'll give a little uh a plunger you know dart gun to maggie and then she'll work as effectively as the blow darts you know like i don't know i think they did a good job of of figuring all that math or like his even just his red hat being india indy's hat and reaching under the garage door like works really well bart wears his lucky red hat this entire episode because just for this opening yes just for this to work yeah by the way that blew my mind that's another thing that blew my mind as a kid the idea of wearing a hat to school my my entire time in from elementary school to high school hats were banned on campus so and now you're you know i'm a much bigger hat guy now in my older age than i used to

be i have my collection of hats all right over there for my walking around i'm normally hatless repeat hatless i've seen some sunny days where you wear a hat but yes pretty pretty hatless and yeah there's a funny story on the commentary too about how they got the real this is not a sound alike this is the opening music the john williams theme for raiders in there right it's funny on the commentary that they say like oh jim brooks had to call steven spielberg to get permission for it and then brooks has a funny joke of saying like i got him on the phone. Like, it's hard. But then there's an even funnier comeback on that that Groening tells. Yeah, that Tiny Toons requested to be able to use the Simpsons theme, and they were denied permission. And so Groening's at a party thanking Spielberg for letting him use this song.

And then Spielberg's like, well, thanks for turning Tiny Toons down for using your song. Wow. Which, yeah, I think it's, Bob, you probably picked the episode that I figured that would have been used in. There's one where Babs Bunny turns into Bart and Marge for a scene in a gag. It's in a 91 episode. Yeah, it's called Pledge Week. It's the Babs segment of that episode. And then when Tiny Toons moves to to fox they do like an snl parody

episode and the episode is hosted by like a bart simpson parody and i think that was their revenge on the show for not letting them use the simpsons theme i think so too and if you watch it now that scene of babs when she turns into bart that's the voice tress mcdeal does when she's subbing in for bar for nancy cartwright at table reads as we got to hear live in person. There, I mentioned the table read again that we went to for the, you have to do it every episode. And hey, Jim Reardon, the director of this episode,

worked on Tiny Toons. He came straight from Tiny Toons to the show, that's right, yeah. I also love Homer's sounding like a native, just screaming gibberish at part is pretty funny. Yeah, with the rake. Yes, yeah.

Yeah, it's very funny. And how his gut just smashes through the door that's great too yes yeah it looks great but once that's all over we get on the bus bart flies onto the bus and he sits down next to millhouse with his jar of pennies and i love millhouse talking about his uh that his dad took him to circus of values which he thinks is a great gift from his dad when his dad's like oh this is a cheap way and to make him happy and this is i guess also foreshadowing because the him mentioning his dad for this is a the first episode of seeing kirk van houten big debut big debut really

yep that's wild on the mount rushmore of beta males kirk van houten this is his big debut he has to be the top beta male in the series, for sure. Yeah. Worse than Gil and Moe. I mean, every man is a loser in the show. Every adult male, yeah. Skinner would be number one if there wasn't a Kirk Van Houten, I think. Right.

No, it's definitely Kirk. Though I guess Kirk, you know, Kirk actually got married and had sex, while Skinner seemingly never did. So maybe he is more of a beta male. And then again, Kirk married what is essentially his cousin or his sister. Yes, yeah. But when he shows off what he got, Bart makes sure to call it an oversized novelty billiard ball, not the copywritten term magic eight ball, which I thought was a good gag.

That is funny. I didn't realize that was a reason for it. There's a later episode i want to say it's like a season 11 or something where they're talking about they have frisbees and they call them novelty flying discs which i think is the same yeah same deal yeah you know i feel like speaking of birthday gifts i think my birthday after this i probably did ask for a magic eight ballBall and got it because I never, maybe I'd heard of them before, but this episode made me want one. I mean, it's a great kitschy gift for our boomer parents to give their kids. Like, oh, I grew up with this thing.

Like same with like a Pet Rock or whatever. That was the Magic 8-Ball was the equivalent of our generation buying the NES Classic for their kids. Oh, right, sure. They're asking some questions after Milhouse, it correctly predicts that Milhouse will get beaten up today. And I got to say, this definitely screams the democratic era of welfare reform, the stance of high school dropouts living off Uncle Sucker.

Oh, yeah, I know, yeah i know yeah which hey you should be able to live off uncle sucker that should be a dream not an egg i agree yeah i concur but i like that bart's kind of just internalized that propaganda and bart has consistently had low goals for himself yes yeah he's cool i mean this dream he has is the one he actually ends up living with Ralph in the future where he's the president. And that's in the 11th episode. But Bart learns that they're not even going to be friends by the end of the day. But how could that possibly be?

My dad took me to Circus of Values last night and said I could get anything I wanted. Cool. An oversized novelty billiard ball. Yeah. You shake it up and billiard ball. Yeah. You shake it up and it tells the future. Really? Uh-huh. Will I pass my English test? Outlook not so good. Wow.

It does work. Let me try. Will I get beat up today? All signs point to yes. That ball knows everything. Oh knows everything hey I got a good one will Milhouse and I be friends till we're toothless old men with hair coming out of our ears don't count on it will Milhouse and I be friends when we're high school dropouts living off Uncle sucker it looks doubtful will newhouse and i be friends at the end of the day

what could come between two bestest buddies like us and this is where the bros before hoes content in this episode not really but but okay i will say as a kid watching this i was a bart like figure uh probably because they feared in this episode that bart would be seen as gay but i definitely recall uh in my youth i didn't know why i wanted to be friends with my male friends and not have them have girls that they liked to be like hey thought we were just guys hanging out here what's this girl doing here i understand this now probably. And honestly, I was more like Martin is later in the episode.

Playing your lutes. Yes, and saying like, guys, it's a – and telling male friends who just want to hang out. I'm like, it's a date. But, yes, how do you guys feel about this whole like feeling of once a male friend gets a girlfriend and how that changes the dynamic in young guy friendships. I think it's real. I think it's a really relatable thing. And I think this probably is just I think it probably generalizes to like youth friendships and then having like feeling like the third wheel when when your friend gets a companion you know i definitely have those sorts of those memories of like seeing my friend holding hands with a girl at an age where i was like kind of like not even hadn't even

conceived of that yet and feeling weird about it and also it's just a different dynamic when it's you know it's it's uh the two of you used to hang out another three of you hang out or even or it's it's a group of five and now there's there's a there's a group of four now there's a fifth person there you know i mean so i i think it's i I always felt like this was a super relatable just kind of youth experience to kind of feeling like the outsider when you're when your friend gets a interest relationship. friends earlier than it hit me or at least oh sure it got them more interested in the idea of sex and everything related to it and i wasn't ready for some of these conversations that were being had and i was just like god this is kind of creeping me out i just want to play mario kart or you know to have fun in the backyard and you're just i i don't even know where to begin with these conversations and then later when when puberty hit me i was like well now i understand but

when i was like 12 and just wanting to hang out and play like final fantasy or whatever i was just uh didn't know what to do didn't know what to talk about with these people exact same feeling different video games but yeah i had i just i remember playing mortal combat with some some male friends and they started talking sex stuff and i was just like huh like what like what we're doing really like i was like like i was like why are you talking like people on TV? You know, it didn't I just didn't get it. And I also think there's a little it's not for Bart, but definitely there was there a component to it can also be that when you are single with another friend who's also single and then that person starts dating. There is a feeling of jealousy of like well i'm still alone i thought we were alone together and you broke the rules by getting uh by getting a starting relationship with someone what bart is

really feeling is what i would i i felt in that situation is like i'm being abandoned now yeah i was in i was in a not great friendship to be honest in my late teens early 20s and i got a girlfriend before my friend and he took it really personally and we basically stopped being friends wow I had a group of friends who I think when I look back at it in my high school years I curated a group of friends who I felt like well none of these guys are going to start I'm not going to start dating someone and they won't either we'll all we'll just stay and then I'm all you've got but then in this but then in senior year he got a girlfriend and i i had some trouble adjusting to that i i and i i regret that now uh but by the end of that senior year i became friends with that girl and we we even me and her actually became roommates later in a in a totally platonic

roommate situation but i was like oh it's like so there's a happy-ish ending to that, but I had some immature problems with this same reaction. Right. But this is when we meet Samantha. Other principals try to unload problem cases that way. Lord knows I do. I'm a good student, Principal Skinner. Yeah, sure, and they told me I'd get a big parade when I got back from NOM. Instead, they spat on me.

I can still feel it searing. So, let's just see what the permanent record has to say, shall we? Hmm, no detention. Fairly good attendance record. Oh, I see you beat that bedwetting problem in the second grade. That's in there? Don't worry, they'll forget. Just like they forgot about me in that tiger cage for 18 agonizing months every night i wake up screaming well let's meet your classmates boy harry is so good at these turns in this episode where he just his emotions snap to a new phase on a dime especially when he gets her name wrong and he's like uh yes well how embarrassing well goodbye god here he's so good man uh so yeah

a lot of things to go over here uh now i recognize this voice very well because uh last year i watched both seasons of twin peaks for the first time haven't seen the reboot and yes samantha stanky is kimmy robertson best known to viewers then and now as lucy from twin peaks i think the writer said they were trying to stunt cast this, but they couldn't find a big celebrity. So this is when their friend Kimmy Robertson stepped in. She does a great job because just like Yardley Smith, she was born with a child's voice that she kept for the rest of her life. It's a really good performance. I really like how Samantha Stanky is played throughout. I honestly always thought it was like Russie Taylor doing a voice or something like that. I had no idea that it was a celebrity

casting, but yeah, it's a really good performance. She's an underrated voice actress too. She was around the same time, well, a couple of years later, around the same time she was the Alice that the Mad Hatter stalks in the first mad hatter episode of batman the animated series and she also plays on the original cartoon tick the tick she plays dot arthur's sister okay yeah yeah and before this she was doing voice acting even in the 80s but she was in beauty and the beast she was the feather duster she was one of ariel's sisters in the little mermaid she was in a ton of like 80s cartoons so she realized like this is the gift that was given this this child's voice and i must use it so yeah you know they they talk about the name and where it comes from jay cogan well the co-writer of this wally wally darsky says it

is named after his niece he even tried to get reared in he gave her in a picture of his his niece samantha i'd be like draw her like her but they didn't give her the same hair color and then he jokes that Jeff Martin who was also a writer at the time he told his daughter Samantha that they named it after her so he could get some dad points of like no it's it's after you you're Samantha and so Nick I also wonder like do you do you know in in your writer's world Samantha Martin because she is a currently an EP on the new Fairly Oddparents and is a professional writer? And she's also married to actress, comedy performer, and an alum of UCB in college humor, Mo Welch. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, no, I have not met Samantha Martin. I mean, I know the name, but that's amazing context. Yeah, yeah. So the Samantha, when they're telling the stories about little Samantha Martin on the commentaries,

it's about, you know, woman, married woman in her late 30s who's executive producer on Fairly Oddparents right now. And who would write a Simpsons. Wow. Yeah, she would write the 2021 or co-write with Jeff Martin the Yokel Hero episode. So, yeah. the 2021 or co-write with with jeff martin the yokel hero episode so yeah but i don't know if you're uh if your work ever put you in contact with with her wife mo welch or not no i've not crossed paths with either of them but that's rad yeah also yeah it's such a this is a real apex of skinner's dream of like getting rid of bart like when he's talking about like yes he's dreaming of expelling bart in whacking day he finally will and then they'll never bring it up again but I have one thing to add though so Skinner mentions this uh

whole thing about being spat on when he returned from Vietnam I did a lot of research on this because this is an urban legend it was mostly spread by the Nixon administration and then popularized by the first Rambo movie if it it did happen, it was isolated incidents that went undocumented at the time. And yeah, this is an urban legend spread about how we disrespect veterans when really the government disrespects them by not giving them the healthcare they need. So yeah.

One hundred percent. They're just running with this urban legend. But some people, I hear the spread still and some people still believe it. I'm surprised people still believe it because that was pretty common knowledge that it was debunked these days. That, yeah, it was just, you know,

kind of right-wing propaganda. But I also like, it's so weird to try to reconcile all of, I guess I just sort of headcanon out of existence the Armin Tanzerian of it all and just sort of like, I sort of think of, they just dogpiled every terrible experience that could have happened to someone in Vietnam onto Skinner, and he's just living with all of that baggage. When they bring in the tiger cage, I was like, okay, so he's now been, he was also a POW.

He's also like John McCain. Yes. And it was an innocent time in which, though, there was only one bad war that people are suffering uh effects from today right now one of the sad side effects of that stupid conservative mean of meme of like oh they spit on the we weren't appreciative enough to the guy it's like that then led a lot of the teens who grew up to be the bill clinton's of the world then then they'd say like you know what we're gonna do right this time when we invade iraq or when like it's it's desert storm like it it the wrong lesson was learned from vietnam of course it weirdly turned into yeah it turned into our culture of military worship which is so it's just like that's the one thing that you

cannot the the third rail is you cannot say anything negative about the troops or anyone who has ever served yeah it's really's really, really, really strange. Conservatives really won on that one. Like they got 100%. They got to turn people rightly protesting. Vietnam is a place we shouldn't be in as see how much we hated the troops. We better never do that again. Yeah. Right.

I do think this episode affects me in a different way watching it now, because I had forgotten that this episode aired around when this summer was when my family moved from the suburb of atlanta and marietta georgia we lived in to the suburb of jacksonville florida that's why you couldn't come to my birthday party we were too busy packing up And so, but when I see this stuff about being the new kid in class, I actually do still feel a little residual. I'm remembering how I felt watching this episode of like, oh my God, this is going to happen to me. I'll be the new kid in class and they'll make fun of my name or I'll be very uncomfortable.

I have problems with new situations and anxiety as a kid anyway. Moving was really hard for me and and starting a new class yeah i did not like it no i so did you move was it between grades like where it was were you going from so you like it was it was during the same you you would have been like still at the same elementary school or middle school or what have you i finished third grade in one city and then started fourth grade in the next city yeah yeah yeah that's so that's so jarring i never experienced that as a kid i went to the same the same schools all the way but i already know like what a weird uh you know like bit of like anxiety that existed when

going from like elementary to middle school to middle school to high school i always felt i always pitied any kid who had to move schools mid-year. And they really capture how it feels to like the entire class judging her when it's like, well, hey, little child, tell everybody about yourself. And also, this feels like very old Skinner as well of him just mispronouncing a word, though, just saying stinky. So it's like, well, that's what everyone's going to call you for the rest of your life. I've ruined your life now. So see ya.

Well, goodbye. Great, great follow-up i also do love edna and skinner just hating each other and just speaking under uh like whispering their hate for each other yeah i love a bit too about like your town has a weird smell like that is when i when we moved i was like this place smells different and the water is different like just the little differences you eventually get used to. And I love how to the, it'll take about six weeks, dear. That's a great guy. Please say a big elementary school hello to Samantha Stinky.

Stinky. Oh, right. How embarrassing for you. Well, goodbye. I'm sure this is a little scary for you, dear. Uh-huh. So, why don't you stand up in front of the class and tell us about yourself? I'll be grading you on grammar and poise.

We just moved here from Phoenix. My dad owns a home security company. He came to Springfield because of its high crime rate and lackluster police force. All my friends are back in Phoenix, and this town has a weird smell that you're all probably used to. But I'm not. It'll take you about six weeks, dear. And of course she moves there

because her father runs a private security firm. So we're doing Papa's Got a Brand New Badge from season 13 at the same time, which is also about private security firms. So all these rich guys, they become Simpsons millionaires and they have to hire private security firms to watch over their mansions. Right. I love the context there, though.

It's like we moved here because we moved to Springfield because of its high crime rate and lackluster police force. It's a great line. And now that means, you know, now I'm creating this headcanon. Her father is clearly a former cop, which would explain why he is so cruelly overprotective in this episode. Oh, yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. We got to the playground.

Bart's handing out wet willies. I never got wet willied in childhood, thankfully, or anything like that. I feared it because of this. I mean, I feel like I only got wedgied like once or twice. Honestly, the most prank injury I got was what's the capital of Thailand? And then a ball punch because Bangkok, wham. That's the. Oh, I heard of that one. Yeah.

Never experienced it. I definitely got the I definitely got wet willied and applied some wet willies. We had an issue with my my group of friends like got out of wet willy phase where we were like wet willing each other. And it's really unpleasant. A wet finger in your ear is disgusting. And also later on, when you think about it from a hygienic standpoint, this is because the kid you're just like, oh, that feels gross. But you're like, you put your fucking spit in my ear. That's nasty.

I hate that. But then. But yeah, wedgies was another thing where just like we were like giving each other wedgies for a little bit it was more it was it was a little bit more uh it was it was less bullying and more just like you know kind of bros being bros if you will it was like it was kind of dudes like kind of you know busted on each other but it was yeah i don't in hindsight it was awful like i did not like wet willies at all for me nobody ever ever announced their attacks.

What I remember most is people, you'd just be sitting there in class, and they would stretch a rubber band up between their two fingers and snap your skin with it. Oh, sure, sure. And that hurts. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, that's very painful. Well, now COVID, after COVID, it's really reminded me of like,

oh, yeah, children are just piles of germs walking around freely in disgusting ways they should be held in place with magnets sorry 100 i like this is this is a thing i think back on in shame but just of how disgusting i was as a kid which is just i remember we had like a block of jack cheese at home and i would uh i was like going i was like in my back in our backyard just like shooting baskets uh from you know like like just our little our little hoop on the garage and then i went inside and i was like oh i'll have some some jack cheese as a snack and i just started pulling off pieces of jack cheese i was like hmm why is this cheese

black and it was just the black from my fingers from playing basketball smearing onto it but i was still eating it and i was just like i can't believe i ever did that to myself i'm so it's so foreign from how i i treat like you know the food sanitation these days so well i mean we all feared our our the the bath like the bath time like i i think i had that yes yeah that's why our immune systems are so strong today right yeah hey Yeah. Hey, that's right. Yeah, that's good. And these kids today are so weak thanks to the- With their peanut allergies. Yeah.

They need to eat some more burgers as far as I'm concerned. Whoa, wait a minute. More driveway cured cheese. Yeah. All right. So now we're getting into a big part here, and that is why I wanted to grab a prop, because I have the toy of this. This was gifted to me by my husband last year. That's awesome.

It is the Super 7 action figure from the Troy McClure line, a Fuzzy Bunny's guide to you know what? You get Troy as he looks in the episode and a Fuzzy Bunny with it. Is that the scale? Is Fuzzy Bunny actually this short? You know what? I do think Fuzzy bunny should probably be the same height as him now that i think about it hmm but it's it's a great toy and and relatively affordable compared to the uh the more articulated super seven ones and obviously i'm never going to take it out of the box because look at those

graphics i i am a grown man who cares about a box's graphics each one should have different graphics it's only my only my only complaints my only complaints i know it's got it's got the full set as it's all the same yes i do blame your husband oh you should have lobbied for that i just wanted to show that off before we got into this section here yes this is a big big moment for troy mcclure they've realized by the end of season three they're like oh you know what fills out a script really nicely 90 seconds of troy mcclure stuff like this just rules and it's great i love we say it every time but when you once they lose troy mcclure they they lose the real power and they like they lose one of their best tools it's really too bad yes yeah this is this is such a great parody of kind of the abstinence forward sex education that I'm sure we all received in some form in school.

It's just like such a such a uniquely American approach to sort of like, here's how it works clinically. But don't you ever do it? Yeah. This one. Yeah. yeah this one yeah i wonder how libertine yours was in in socal compared to to mine in florida growing up because mine was strictly uh abstinence only like they wouldn't even tell you how they would just say like doing it is wrong they would not use the word condom or even say it they would just say like the only safe sex is not having sex we watched a video starring kurt cameron

that's all i'm gonna say tells you all you need to know. And it wasn't a Growing Pains episode. Did you have any religious classmates who were excused from it to pray for everyone? Well, I went to Catholic school, so we were all, I guess, equally religious. But we still had sex education, but it was abstinence forward

and no mention of condoms or birth control pills or anything like that i mean to even tell you where genitals would go in that situation is like wrong they don't want you to know these things so yeah so for my i went to public schools uh in southern california and you know still it was really circuitous talking about sex. Like it was very clinical. You would have like a cross section of like genitalia that was presented with, you know, just defining the anatomy. But the actual like mechanics of the act, safe sex was even talked about in very vague terms. It was like use a condom, but nothing explicit in terms of what that actually meant.

So it was still all pretty vague and and that that's on that's in that's in a you know more liberal district yeah the closest i had to an ezekiel ishmael moment in my classes in sixth grade we watched a video about aids and how it's and theoretically how it's transmitted but how to avoid it and i know why they had to send home notes to parents to get permission to avoid it and i know why they had to send home notes to parents to get permission to show it and some kids weren't in the class as i recall and it's because there's like 30 seconds in it where a kid asked their dad like it's it's basically framed as a dad has a conversation with his boy and his daughter and son and they ask like isn't it gay people that get aids and then the dad says

like well not exactly it's not only for gay people or whatever like it it basically did not directly blame homosexuals for the spread of aids and so they knew they'd get notes from parents if they if they uh were to show it to some kids well two memories just unlocked It's interesting the things that they would skirt over in my sex education class. And this is like when I was in maybe fifth or sixth grade. But someone did come in and show us very graphic slides of genitals disfigured by sexually transmitted diseases. So, you know, they would show us a penis. Oh, sure. But it would be covered in like lesions and things like that.

And also we did watch Nate's video. It was about two puppets at summer camp and they would just be like doing activities and one of them kept saying oh somebody here has aids i've heard and i've heard that you can spread it this way and the other public would be like no i've heard that's not true and at the end it turns out the other puppet had aids the entire time but it turns out you can be friends with somebody with aids so it's an uplifting message but still it was a puppet with aids which i thought was funny at the age of 12 okay I'm not made of stone

no I think I saw this same puppet show but live because I remember that same narrative arc it was two marionettes and they talked in advance it was just like you'll see the puppeteers because we'll be standing controlling the puppets but once the show starts you won't

see us anymore you'll just see the puppets and i remember being like oh okay and yeah this this uh this this whole aid storyline i remember it maybe everyone maybe the same script was being was being circulated amongst youth puppeteers yeah it could be i mean i guess it was slightly progressive in that they wanted to tell you like you can be friends with someone with aids it's gonna it's gonna be fine but also they will also wanted to scare the shit out of you like anytime you touch anyone aids could happen right i it's another of these disgusting things you hear about how they guilt kids especially girls about sexuality and in in these sex education things in america where it was i did hear the bubble gum analogy of just like uh to tell especially to tell girls not to

have sex before marriage of like oh look at this piece of bubble gum looks pretty great right out of the pack right oh now look how it looks all chewed up you wouldn't want that bubble gum would you like that and that's that's their that's your vagina basically is what they were saying yeah it's pretty disgusting. I guess last thing I remember, and very memorable for me, and I brought this up on another podcast, but the speaker came in to talk to us about sex and how dangerous it is when we're kids or whatever.

And she gave the analogy, like, imagine six planes on a runway. You get on one of those planes. Five of those planes are going to make it to Disneyland, but one of those planes is going to crash. Those are your odds. Do you want to get on one of those planes and i thought that's the only way i'm getting to disneyland so i'm gonna have to roll the dice on this one you know yeah yeah mostly they're gonna be on one of the five safe planes uh they have we mentioned the title fuzzy bunny's

guide do you know what which i think is like one of the strongest jokes in the whole episode yeah especially because it comes yeah because he's like setting up as like a frank a frank Buzzy Bunny's Guide to You-Know-What, which I think is one of the strongest jokes in the whole episode. Yeah, especially... Especially because it comes... Yeah, because he's setting it up as a frank discussion of the realities of sex. And then, yeah, that's what he gets into. It's great. This also does address the fears of...

I mean, if people talk about now, it's a big deal of parents. Parents are insane right now about what they fear their kids will learn in school. It's a crazy time. But it shows you that 30 years ago, there was also this fear of like, oh, what are they going to teach our kids in sex education? Like, I feel like the porno sound in this episode is them saying like, oh, what are

they going to make your kids watch for sex education? Like that kind of fear. But yeah, I mean, I guess the real point is that the parents of ezekiel and ishmael have won and these kids can't even learn this um no ezekiel and ishmael are on the supreme court now federalist society named them to their list of judges and then the federal judiciary uh it's funny you know it's funny too these characters would just be Rod and Todd like a year later. 100%, yeah. I could not resist.

Let's just hear all the Troy McClure in this episode. Hello, I'm actor Troy McClure. You kids might remember me from such educational films as Lead Paint, Delicious But Deadly, and Here Comes the Metric System. I'm here to provide the facts about sex in a frank and straightforward manner. And now here's Fuzzy Bunny's guide to you-know-what. This is Fuzzy Bunny. About a year ago, he noticed his voice was changing. He had terrible acne and had fur where there was no fur before.

He also noticed Fluffy Bunny. Boring! Boring! Fluffy and Fuzzy went to the park, the ice cream social, the boat show, and various other wholesome activities. And they never ruined their fun by giving in to their throbbing biological urges. Then came the big day.

Fluffy and Fuzzy got married. That night came the honeymoon. She's faking it. The most satisfying part of the night was knowing that they waited. Nine months later, Fluffy gave birth to 14 beautiful bunnies. Eight survive. And now that you know how it's done, don't do it. Love that cue. Just so many jokes.

Yeah. That's so great. Yeah, the cue is awesome. It's a great skit in the middle of this sitcom. And also, like, this is a thing that a running gag that they do, you know, basically anytime they watch Itchy and Scratchy that I love is just having it pertain to the episodes, you know, a story and then having the characters react based on like their role in that a story. And this is one where like when Bart they're doing they do it with this video, too. It's like like Bart's like boring, but then like Samantha and Milhouse are both enraptured by it and looking at each other.

And then later on, the reverse of that with the itchy and scratchy episode, obviously. Yeah, I like that it's them realizing like, oh, I'm feeling love. This is telling me what love is. I think a joke I caught for the first time, and I've seen this maybe 50 or 60 times, was the most satisfying part of the night is knowing that they waited. And my, you you know taking that apart it's like yeah because the sex was awful there are two virgins having sex for the first time it was it was a nightmare it was a mess somebody cried probably don't wait for your wedding night to have sex with somebody for the first time i i feel pretty safe in saying that

yeah i don't god won't care guys like uh yeah he's everywhere he's into it he's watching i also like that it's a jewish ceremony which again as a kid i didn't catch that and and also that one of their wholesome dates is like the shooting range and then fluffy gets a fucking headshot on on the thing she's shooting at they're gonna see bob denver at the boat show it's great of course he's there in 1971 so when it says she's faking it are they watching like a full sex scene between the two characters i always imagine yeah they're basically like this is the one bit of actual sex education we're just seeing full penetration you know for for a little for like whatever 30 seconds and then they're and and that's like the the end of this this video um i that that's

what i always assumed what was happening but who knows what they're actually depicting i mean the kids too are reacting like they're seeing a sex scene like 100 is having an orgasm yes yeah or faking it we don't know yeah well fuzzy he's not faking it fluffy oh fluffy's the woman and it's a great shot too of likeuffy's the woman? Yeah, Fluffy's the woman. And it's a great shot, too, of like, that's a complicated shot, having like a dozen kids all at once go, ew! Like, it's a really great shot. And also the darkness of saying, like, eight survived. What a dark line.

And yes, of course, the line of like, now that you know how it's done don't do it like this is the kind of thing that elevates this era of simpsons over like other tv which is that the joke of just this being a 70s in like you know informational video a dated informational video hosted by a you know a wash you know b-movie actor and you know it's it's using like all these euphemisms to talk about sex like that in of itself like that a lot of times i feel like a lot of shows would just stop there it's like, like, all these euphemisms to talk about sex. Like, that in and of itself, like, a lot of times, I feel like a lot of shows would just stop there. It's like, that's the joke, that's the funny thing, but they find ways to, like, add all these extra jokes in there, like the gun range that you talked about, which is super funny.

You know, like, the details of the different dates they're going on, and then, yeah, like, eight survived at the end. These are just, like, bonus jokes that I think just, like, you know, just plus up the sequence so much yeah and troy's line at the end does underline the fear of parents misguided parents where they're like well if my kid finds out about something they'll do it which is why like yes oh we kids can't know about trans people they'll become trans things like that today right no i mean that's why what sarah huckabee sanders is trying to outlaw social media in arkansas so that way kids, if they don't go on social media, they won't know about this like trend of transgenderism. Have fun if you think of what we just watched as a sketch it's like a lot of those jokes that are in there like the gun range that'd be like that's off game like

that's not the joke of the sketch the joke of the sketch is that this is like this this extremely euphemistic thing using animated bunnies to convey a serious issue but they have all the but they make these off-game jokes work because the the jokes are so strong the individual jokes are so strong and that overall just like you know ups the laugh count in the episode. Yeah, it's a really awesome sequence. Well, I love the use of what they call wholesome dates. That speaks to the politics of the makers of the video, too. 100%, yeah.

They're like, oh, if they're going to tell you to wait for your wedding night, they're also going to tell you, like, in the gun range everybody should be shooting guns it's a great thing it's one of your top freedoms in america they then have a quick joke of asking mrs krabappel about mr krabappel and i checked i always check this every time because i can't believe it net he's been mentioned other times but mr krabappel has never appeared on screen in the series ever never wow yeah even you'd think somebody in season 34 would be like guys let's have mr krabappel come to town like let's do something with that well now that marcia wallace has been dead for i think a decade now even harder to bring him back yeah or to have his debut i

guess well him and ned could fight over her will or whatever. Yeah, you would have thought that would have been like a season 15 episode with like Wallace Shawn or something like that. That's good casting. I like that. Yeah. Or you could go the other way and get some like famous, like, you know, get some famed Lothario or something. Cast like George Clooney or something, you know. Yeah, he'd be good until I met

my husband this joke about like fear of dying alone I like it haunted me of like I'm alone I don't like this joke like but some of you will never fall in love and really marry out of fear of dying alone and also when Samantha asks her question you can see

Bart is drawing his monkey man you can see the face on it it's great it's a nice detail i would have thought that it was like an adr line because it's just uh it's funny to hear bart say monkey man but it's like no he's drawing him right there and and it's in the script too yeah i just like how mrs krabappel humors that question yes yeah god schmod god schmod is also pretty funny god schmod i want my monkey man speaking of uh dating and and my moves this millhouse's move here is one of my favorites uh the first date of i hate it too i was like oh yeah i hate it too did i say i like that thing i actually hate it too yeah right some

like early millhouse behavior where just immediately i'm a doormat i'm a mirror just i'll be whatever you want me to be just love me yes but uh and this is where also they sn I'm a doormat, I'm a mirror, just I'll be whatever you want me to be, just love me. Yes, but this is where also they snuck in a bit of a joke for the Tokers out there. That's a nice dress. My dad makes me wear it. I hate it. Well, I hate it too. Can I walk you home? Okay.

Everybody on, but no shoving. Just kidding. You can shove all you want. Hey, wait, Auto Man. You can't leave. Milhouse isn't here yet. Sorry, Bardu. No time.

My girlfriend's dancing topless at the airport bar from 4.15 to 4.20. 4.20. I thought I said 4.20. Oh, yeah. It's better than the joke that's in the script where Auto says he's going to go model nude at a community college or whatever. Yeah, yeah. I got it right here. It's like, the joke that's in the script where Otto says he's going to go model nude at a community college or whatever. Yeah, yeah. I got it right here.

It's like, sorry, Bart, dude, no time. After I drop you kids off, I got to go model naked for a community college art class. Even that little quip. Great, Otto. It has three elements to the joke where Otto's girlfriend was like, airport bar already bad. She's going to be on for five minutes on a weekday afternoon before anyone is off of work. This is not a good slot for her. This is not a good place for her to be.

Do you think Otto's girlfriend works with Brandine, who also in the 22 short films about Springfield dances topless apparently? That's true. Unless she scuffed up the runway. That's right. It's possible. Boy, hey, here's a season 35 pitch auto dated brandine before she got with cletus and they wow that's a whole thing hey that's my free pitch to season 35 writers out there i bet again 80 year old harry shearer will love voicing auto for 22 minutes. Otto is a lot quieter these days on Current Simpsons.

I was born during the war. Well, like we said on the Otto show when we saw his real birthday, it's like, oh, Otto's 61 now. That's wild. This also reminded me of being a kid when I want to read comics and then

a girl interrupts it and i don't like it it's like hey i was gonna read comics here girls don't understand comics which again i was dumb i was dumb but probably these cartoons made me this joke about bart her listing all of her dumb girl comics is it feels like a sequel to lisa's love of low slaying comics but the general thought was from that generation of nerds girls don't even like good comics they like bullshit comics I think uh you can correct me if I'm wrong Henry but by the time we were kids girls were fully gendered out of comics there was not even an outreach program in which they gave them their own comics I didn't see any of those maybe

like Archie maybe like Disney comics but that's it it. I think it was Archie, and I think it was Disney Adventures, if you want to count that. I think that, but that said, and particularly from this watch, the two watches I did for this episode, Bonnie Crane, Girl Attorney, I feel like is one you'd find out later on. No, secretly, that comic rips. It's like Nancy is like, let's actually check out old Bonnie Crane, Girl Attorneys.

That one's awesome. You'd be like, it's like, it's like Nancy is like, let's actually like check it. Check out old Bonnie crane girl attorneys. That's what, that one's awesome. You're like, oh yeah. I, you know, I think a big thing that changed as we grew up was that, yeah, I mean, uh, the American comics industry basically just ignored girls and, and, and young women who wanted to, who might want to read comics. And then in our late teens, in the late nineties, japanese comics got imported to such a degree and that was much more welcoming to women and girls who also didn't have to go into a fucking comic book store full of assholes to buy them they could go to the local bookstore again i was thinking about

that too henry and i was looking at recent stats uh yeah a manga is kicking american comics ass completely and also the latest spy family volume was the number one selling book period. I didn't just, just book period. Yeah. Sorry, Nick. No,

no, no. I was stepping all over you. Cause I was just like, I was, I was excited to, to just make the same point. Yeah.

Heather Campbell, who I do a host, get played with. She was showing me that. And it's just like, that's wild. The number one paperback in America is spy family volume nine. Are you, are y'all, y'all read slash watch spy family i love it i've been meaning to watch it it's uh chainsaw man is the current thing i've i've been watching but now all i hear

is stuff about spy family yeah a friend was bugging me to read the manga now it's a series i haven't watched so i will watch it i really I really need to. I know it's great. com but the the thing it does that that the simpsons does really well in this episode in particular uh is cutaways to characters catastrophizing of the worst possible thing that could happen and they do they do that joke a lot and they're all they're all really really funny um yeah that shows awesome you know it's so funny with the sales of that too because still still in american comics and i mean marvel and dc superhero stuff they are still so full of themselves of just like i mean we're we publish spider-man we're a big deal and to know that like their sales can't even compare to just spy family spy cross family is like that spider-man batman they think they're the main event

when in america they are secondary to, or maybe even tertiary to Japanese. I would go as far as tertiary. You said it. I feel like the editors at Marvel and DC could learn a little humility when they, like they invite younger creators, like writers and artists, to come on to work for Marvel or DC,

and their pay sucks compared and they get no ownership. And the opportunities that people have over working on a Marvel thing, they're like, I could self publish and make more money than this. And I'd own it in a lot of cases. It's truly strange to see, to just go to target and see like bleach.

Like that to me still is bleach the manga not bleach the Clorox bleach has always been there yes I more mean like that there's just like a section for manga in in a big box retail store in in America it's just like I don't know I still have not gotten used to it yeah like I just heard recently that my my nephew really is into one piece and i thought i liked one piece 10 years before he was born and you know speaking of uh comics the sell of bart holding up the radioactive man versus swamp hag comic i saw a sell of that for a thousand bucks i did not buy it i was like man credit card henry yeah i know well to honest, a thousand is where it stopped. And I think if I tried to bid on it, it would have just gone up to twelve hundred. I've had that before where I'm like, it's on an auction for a Simpson cell. And I know it's just me and one other loser who wants it. And every time I bid, he did the other. I'm saying he because I'm assuming it's a man keeps bidding it up against me.'m just like god damn it i i'll never get it i just have to give up and let this guy have it for the you know seven hundred dollars or whatever yeah it's i mean that would be an awesome one to have because that issue looks great it's a great cover and and actually when you see the cell itself you see that they zoomed

in on the tv so you actually see a lot more of bart in it that's some of the fun with the cells that you see how they edited it after the fact right got the photography back so yes bart says he's gonna get his sister's crappy comics after hearing about punkin and duncan the twinkle twins and little knee socks as well as bonnie crane hey bart millhouse what a pleasant surprise hi hey what's with the skirt? Well, I've brought friends to this treehouse before. Yeah, but never a girl. What if I want to strut around nude?

Maybe I should go. No, that's okay. You can stay. You can read comics with us. Let's see. Something for the lady. Ah. Radioactive Man versus the Swamp Hag. Got any girl comics? Like Bonnie Crane Girl Attorney, Pumpkin and Duncan the Twinkle Twins, or Lil' Knee Socks? No, but my sister's got a wide selection of crappy comics.

Ew, you guys want to see something gross? There's a quick deleted scene from the script where Bart asks Lisa for her comics, and Lisa is engrossed in Eternity Magazine, which she reads the whole episode. And she says it's recently folded. There's more of this magazine parody in the original script which is why you see her carrying around this labeled magazine where i think it's a parody of like discover magazine how we use electricity can be smarter cleaner and greener

at electric ireland we can help guide you there you, our new net zero hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels, and much more. Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, your home cozier, and your world brighter. Find our net zero hub at electricireland.ie. Yeah, I think you're right too yeah yeah and that i mean all the futurism she's talking about here is like that's the shit elon musk won't shut the fuck up about now so it's like i hate i hate seeing lisa associated with it magazines were like they they made fun of magazines a lot on the simpsons so just like how specific they started to get like sponge and vacuum i remember being a march joke at a certain point but that was also a big uh bill watterson punching bag and calvin

and hobbs like he'd like he would always he was always making fun of how uh like dumb magazines had gotten how specific they'd gotten and you know of course that was just like that was a just but a prelude to what the internet is turning their culture into i think part of his jokes were about specialty biking magazines because he was kind of dunking on himself like yes i read all these dumb bike magazines too right bart comes in with a doomed romance comic uh which is a really good simpson ification of the type of 50s romance comics that roy lichtenstein got rich off of stealing from yeah fuck that guy man uh it's in retrospect bad copies of that great art and he got to make millions of dollars wouldn't even give a cent

to the guys he traced over for those things he sold wow pretty bad pretty bad there's some depressing stories out there from the guys who died poor who got the who drew the original stuff that he he drew uh or he sold but anyway yes we come back from the break this is where the b story comes in and yeah we we talked a bit about it with you with you nick but yes this fear of the the the battle with weight and health and stuff it's one it's what i've gone through i've gone through my ups and downs, too. And the and definitely you can tell the writers of the show have thought about it quite a lot, too. It's a it's a lifelong thing for me. And I've I've I've come to accept more recently. Partly I've been working with a dietician just accept it's always going to be a thing.

It's always going to be, you know, up and down. I will say that this B story, because sometimes you watch the old you watch some of these old simpsons and and their jokes about homer and it's like it's it feels a little fat phobic by today's standards and who am i to talk i still make fat phobic jokes on on doughboys so what you know whatever but this is one plot line that it's just oh wait the joke here is really not about homer's weight it's about it's just like a it's just like a he got the wrong tape and like that's the whole thing it's just like him there's a channeler b story like this on friends too where like he gets like the wrong subliminal tape and he just sort of like learns the wrong lessons to stop smoking right and then he gets

a stop smoking tape and he gets one to be in touch with being a strong like feminist yeah and yeah yeah and that's where uh friends famous for their not at all dated or uncomfortable and that episode's full of them of jokes that aren't at all homophobic or whatever yes jennifer aniston told me people can't take a joke anymore and i believe her yeah she all but said they couldn't make it today yeah i tonight on smart line i'm, you're too fat. Here's your host, Kent Brockman. Good evening. Did you know that 34 million American adults are obese? Taken together, that excess blubber could fill the Grand Canyon two-fifths of the way up.

That may not sound impressive, but keep in mind it is a very big canyon. This sucks. Where's that channel changer? Oh, eh, I'll give it a chance. Americans have grown up with the image of the jolly fat man. Dom DeLuise, Alfred Hitchcock, and of course, Santa Claus. But in real life, Santa would be suffering from gallstones, hypertension, impotence, and diabetes. I mean, I do also like that they kind of frame this around. It's not just that it's like Homer's fat or whatever, that people are fat.

It is framed around Lisa is worried. It is a family member, loves somebody, and wants to help them. It comes from a place of a loved one caring about a person gaining weight, which makes it sweeter, I think. And I don't know if there's an epidemic or whatever you want to call it today of obesity, but in this episode, Kent Brockman says 34 million Americans are obese.

I take that to be have obesity the medical condition. I looked it up today. A little over 42% of Americans have obesity, which equals 139 million people. That's a lot of people. That's like three times the amount or four times the amount that Kent Brockman reports. So there's a lot of reasons for that. You can't just blame the person for their poor decisions.

It's like since 1992, we've gone through like four global depressions, which means we all have to work harder. And some of the jobs that we get are food delivery app jobs. And that means like we can now have the worst things brought to us immediately with no like mulling it over, driving. Like there's a chance to change your mind when you're driving to get disgusting fast food. But when you have your phone in front of you, you're seeing the pictures,

you touch a button, it just appears in front of you. And I spent a lot of the pandemic watching all of my 600 pound life. And a lot of people are, their lives my 600 pound life and uh a lot of people are their lives are undone by food delivery apps i think i think it just really gets them off track it just destroys any progress they could have made because everything is just a button touch away everything is just an app away and seeing the flash forward the fantasy sequence of hover

being buried at 400 pounds i'm like they had no imagination 400 pounds is nothing compared to some of the things i've seen on these documentaries although i do think the you know the catastrophizing here from lisa is just the way it heightens to they're bringing the corpses that they got to whiten it and then it drops on the entire family and kills all of them it's super funny uh yeah i i think there's that you're absolutely right bob it's like these are systemic issues you can't really they they want to turn it into a thing. And you look at like public awareness campaigns and they're always like trying to shame people for their own bad decisions. But it's like these are the decisions that are presented to you. Fast food. If you live in a food desert, fast food is more available and it's honestly cheaper than preparing your own food. If you live in a place that like has a kitchenette, you're limited in terms of what you can prepare. And if you're working two jobs to support your family, yeah, you're going to have fast food, you're gonna have microwave meals, because you

don't have time to prepare healthful food in the home. It's a total class thing. And, you know, that's that's the the the so called epidemic of obesity is is resulted from the the why it is resulting for the wide availability of the of these foodstuffs and for a lot of people it's your only option i'll also just say like the other thing is like we could subsidize fresh fruits and vegetables and we could incentivize places to produce those and and incentivize people to buy them but instead you know they there's there's subsidies for like the dairy industry and for corn, the corn industry, which leads to more high fructose corn syrup. And, you know, I feel like just like the prevalence of liquid sugar is such a big reason for that.

But, you know, we're not here just to dissect, you know, Americans like collective public health. I will say the breakfast burger that's described in this commercial is pretty much exactly what Carl's Jr. offers right now. I have the menu description pulled up. Oh, are you going to play this clip? Yeah, actually.

Yeah. Let's hear the commercial for the good morning burger. We take 18 ounces of sizzling ground beef and soak it in rich creamery butter. Then we top it off with bacon ham and a fried egg we call it the good morning burger i've gotta help him yeah i want to compare notes because i found i found what i think might be the most unhealthy breakfast uh sandwich but i want to hear what you have okay i just pulled up the car, the one, the Carl's Jr.

One that I thought of, which is the Carl's Jr. Slash Hardee's. If you're east of the Mississippi, their breakfast burger, which is charbroiled, all beef patty, crispy bacon, egg, American cheese, hash rounds, and ketchup on a seeded bun. That is worse. It's not soaked in butter, but that is worse than the good morning. Yes. Yeah.

100%. I, uh, what I found, uh, I guess I didn't, I tried to find one that didn't involve ground beef, like sausage and bacon and I guess breakfast meats. The one I found is the Burger King Double Sausage Egg and Cheese Biscuit. It has 853 calories and 66 grams of fat and more than your day's total allotment of sodium. So I went over the Burger King menu and the Carl's Jr. menu. I feel like those probably have

the most unhealthy food items on them. And that was the biggest offender, that one. Yeah, I haven't looked at Jack in the Box's breakfast menu recently, but they've kind of made their marketing like look how unhealthy we can make breakfast. I can pull this up now. I don't know if they have anything as egregious as what Bob just described.

But it is one of those things where just, like, it feels so, like, pat to even say it now. But just, like, this, like, reality caught up with The Simpsons yet again. Yeah, yeah. It's a big bummer. That sodium thing, by the way, that's the, as I get my diet more into control I'm fighting it and counting calories and all that the biggest bummer is sodium that I'm just like oh all the junk I like to eat is so overloaded with it's just salt it's like oh I like salt like that's the and occasionally when I get out of the practice of eating that stuff more regularly then when I do

eat it again I'm like oh this is the saltiest thing i've ever had like you just get so you once ate a whole heaping bowl of salt yes i uh so i uh one thing i'll add to the good morning burger thing is there's the youtube channel binging with babish which is a fun youtube channel to watch a guy try to make food that appears in TV shows and movies, made up food. And he did the good morning burger on one. And an interesting thing he mentioned when he made it, well, there's no cheese on this,

which is weird. There should be cheese. Honestly, that's a healthy choice. But when he made it, it is dripping fat off of it as he's picking it up. It's just dripping it. But he's like, oh, and also it tastes delicious because it's a Butter Burger. Like, of course, it's delicious. Have you guys had Butter Burgers much on Doughboys?

So we went to – I may have mentioned Culver's early in the episode. I think I did when I was talking about regional burger chains. And, yeah, we got Butter Burgers from Culver's, which is a midwest staple and i they were fantastic i was like this is so good but one of the one of my favorite chains we've ever tasted on tour i've never i've never had a butter burger now i feel like i pretty much should not i shouldn't know how good it is probably yeah no it's uh yeah he basically took a one-up it on it but made it as a basically a Wisconsin-style butter burger. And he did put cheese on it by that point. And oh, yes, also in the script, when they say we

need a wider hole, a bunch of guys just show up and dig a deeper hole. But I think it's funnier that Homer kills his entire family by the Steinway piano dropping on him. And I think I said this on the podcast, maybe before the podcast, but I was just in Milwaukee. And they're famous for their fried cheese curds. One of the most delicious food items ever. One of the worst things you can put in your body. But every place has them. And I thought of this line.

I think my wife and I said this line to each other every time we ordered them. But God damn it, was it worth it. And I can't eat them again for the rest of the year. It was so amazing. Here's Jack in the Box's loaded breakfast sandwich. This one is pretty close to the Butter Burger. It's eggs, bacon, ham, sausage, and what they call melty American cheese on toasted sourdough. And I don't know if I can share screens with y'allall, but it's it is just like a huge stack of cheese.

No, I've seen it. Well, you know, also Jack in the Box really with its gross or its entirely indulgent food. That isn't that part of their like stoner marketing these days, too? One hundred percent. Yeah, they've really leaned into that. Yeah, the I mean, what do you what do you think you'd give just from the description fork wise? Do you think you'd give to the Good Morning Burger on the show? I think the absence of cheese is an oversight.

But it definitely sounds better than the chocolate bar, which I think would just be gooey and gross. But that feels like a four out of five forker. I feel like it was well executed. And what's your opinion on eggs on a burger? Because I've had them occasionally, but honestly, it's more trouble than it's worth. That yolk just explodes. And then it's like, well, I can't hold this burger anymore. I think they got overused.

I think it's kind of an overplayed move at this point. You know, I'll take them and I'm fine if it's like this is the chef's idea of this burger or this is the chain's idea of this burger. Like I'll have it. But if it's up to me, i'll usually opt for no egg so i was looking at the jack-in-the-box menu and i found a worst food breakfast item it's not a burger but it's a burrito it's the jack-in-the-box grande sausage breakfast burrito it does have 1040 calories and 70 grams of fat but hey it's got a lot of protein i was disappointed to learn like oh wait a taco bell like burritos worse for you than a burger like it's got more bread anyway like it's even yeah carbier yeah it's a it's a bummer the county calorie is but what i if you live in california at least they got the calories right in your damn face on that's true that's everybody's mad about that

that nanny state thing california i think it's it's useful all right but anyway my mouth is watering from all this conversation here so we cut back to bart he's messing around with millhouse taking advantage of his kissing distraction as you can see at some point between the season two episodes free men in a comic book and this one millhouse did buy that carly stramski baseball card with the big sideburns that he long had wanted to get and now bart's taking it from him and if you look up 1958 mickey mantel tops card this is a pretty good approximation of that tops card of that same thing wow and if you want to get it for okay quality on ebay right now 500 bucks that's uh that's it's a it is a pretty valuable card bart gets out of here and we were talking about culture wars before uh eskimo pies

are no more as of 2020 uh they it took them that long to get rid of the the phrase eskimo pie uh it's now ed's pie edy apostrophe s okay because that's like the name of dryers's mom or whatever in the history of dryers i guess oh was it a dryers food item dryers owns it oh okay yeah yeah that could be it yes uh it's uh named after the the co-founder joseph edie i see okay yeah it's funny that uh eskimo pies that was this thing in 2020 obviously when everybody was saying we need to fix the police system in america the answer was that's what we're gonna change brands that's like yes exactly yeah we know you're mad about police violence what if a black person voiced carl would that make you happy it's like well that's a start i mean yeah what if it was pearl mills uh pancakes instead of aunt jemima that fixes police brutality doesn't it listen we rename eskimo pies your police department

gets three tanks everything's fair it all works out uh yes uh but yeah that's when uh samantha heads out i also like that millhouse has almost no game where she says you know i'm getting my braces examined and he should just say like well you are he's just like well you kind of sort of are like he's so dorky and saying it uh it's it's cute it's great and again me as a kid i was more on the bart side of like what's so great about kissing what's all this bullshit right yeah so and also though i am the type of person who i don't like waiting for an ice cream bar to melt open that thing i eat it fast like i i made this mistake when i first went to disneyland and i got one of the ed's pie style uh mickey bars and i was like okay time to chomp into it i forget they they freeze those things rock solid and you actually are supposed to like let it melt for like five minutes before

you bite it i hurt my damn teeth on it oh that's rough well the eskimo pie is like uh it's an ice cream bar but like ice cream sandwiches already come kind of soft right oh yeah sandwich yeah those are plenty squishy yeah yeah yeah but yeah i like his, like, but she doesn't melt. Oh, yes, she does. God. Milhouse's so smug. This is why you want him to be unhappy. You don't want to see this smugness.

I really want to know what food item is being described in this commercial because we don't hear the final description. All of these things, like the milk chocolate, honey, and four kinds of sugar. Four kinds of sugar. Yes. I have a clip here. This is Lisa wants to help Homer lose weight. We start with pure milk chocolate.

Chocolate. Add a layer of farm fresh honey. Oh, sweet. Then we sprinkle on four kinds of sugar. And dip it in rich creamery butter. Dad, what if I told you you could lose weight without dieting or

lifting a finger? I'd say you're a lying scumbag. Why, sweetie? According to Eternity Magazine, you can lose weight through subliminal learning. That's where an idea is subtly implanted in your head without you even knowing it. Oh, Lisa, that's a load of rich creamery butter. They'll send you tapes you listen to while you sleep.

As you hear New Age music, a powerful message goes to your brain telling you to eat less. Lose weight and listen to New Age music? Wow. What do you think, Marge? Oh, Homer, I love you just the way you are. Lisa, what's that number? number march has to be nice to homer but she's like give me that number right now so yeah nick but just based on that description snack or whack would you say i give that one a whack i think that just feels like it's got too

much going on i feel like i like i as much as i do like, but I feel like most chain sweetness is like way too potent. And it ends up feeling like kind of cloying and over the top for me. So like I can't I can't imagine finishing whatever that confection ended up being in the end. I will say that the the phrase rich creamery butter did enter my vocabulary after seeing this episode and rewatching it in syndication. And I said that a lot to just describe butter for a long, long period of my life. butter did enter my vocabulary after seeing this episode and re-watching it in syndication and i would i said that a lot to just describe butter for a long a long period of my life well we were talking earlier about how uh reality has blasted past satire and i think it was 15 years ago or older in which carl's jr or maybe um jack in the box had a commercial in which it was hot models eating giant burgers on like a

fancy red car and the joke was yes we are using sex to sell you this thing but in 1992 it was like it wouldn't be funny if a sexy voice was describing these things right right and the subliminal stuff now I feel like so many plots from sitcoms came out of the idea of like subliminal tapes because they were a thing in the 80s and it allowed you to make sitcoms came out of the idea of like subliminal tapes because they were a thing in the 80s and it allowed you to make a character be out of character in a funny way and for me as a kid like the saved by the bell episode about the subliminal tapes that really stood out to me but finally in 1991 someone put together a study and published it a professional study and it proved they were bullshit because people were given tapes that were mislabeled and they would just believe the tapes were doing whatever they were mislabeled to do. So that finally proved in 91 that it didn't matter what was on the tapes. You believed whatever it said it was. And that's why they wrote this B plot just because of that one study.

Wow. So it was like it's basically all placebo effect. Yes, absolutely. Got it. it was just like it's basically all placebo effect yes absolutely got it yeah it was a university of washington one bob shared it with me it's uh it's funny just uh we i just read the first uh paragraph of it which is the the you know he had the gist of it i mean that's why it's an abstract right yes right yeah i love an abstract also that bit of lisa being called a lying scumbag like that yeah that's a rare moment of Homer being mean to Lisa. And Mike reset it on a different commentary where he's like, people got mad at us for that.

We never did it again. They don't like it. I think I was in my 30s when I learned that scumbag was a term for a used condom. That's where it comes from. It's not just just a random thing you call someone. It's just like you're calling them a used up condom. Yeah, that's yeah. It's that and dork were both ones

which I didn't know until later in life I learned like oh this is like a sex thing yeah I never realized that's what dork was either until you saw mall rats yes yeah when I heard about the things dork is it really rocks yeah

you know speaking of subliminal tapes like my subliminal sleeping tapes i do fall asleep to podcasts i listen to podcasts when they sleep or audiobooks and nick i have to say i love listening to doughboys when i'm awake but when i used it as a sleep one and the problem is when i wake up and hear you guys reviewing some delicious fast food thing it ruins my day that i like i'm like oh no i can't have this be the first thing i think about is eating something it's so it's had to i've had to take it out of my nighttime rotation i apologize for that i apologize because you know it's probably it's probably good to get a lot of

doughboys out of the way while you're unconscious but um it's uh yeah i can't do it. Like I can't listen to podcasts and fall asleep or audio books. I just, I'm wired. I just like whatever I'm listening to. I find so engaging that I can't, I can't drift off. I think I've, I may have told the story on a,

on a podcast at a certain point, but I had a, like I got, like I was using the calm app for a bit and just for meditation, like my health insurance, like got a free calm subscription. So I was just meditating with it. And then one night I couldn't sleep. So I was like, Oh, it a bit and just for meditation, like my health insurance, like got a free Calm subscription. So I was just meditating with it. And then one night I couldn't sleep. So I was like, oh, it's got some sleep stories on it. So I'll listen to this sleep story and just sort of see what happens.

And it was like about it was like the Norwegian night train. And it was just this guy describing in this this this rich, sonorous voice about like now the train is going up and you see a glacier in the distance and that glacier grows closer and closer and i was just like riveted i was just like what then what happens yeah yeah exactly i'm not a i'm not a podcast sleeper i'm a white noise sicko i need a fan on that's all i need and even when i would sleep over friends houses the idea of falling asleep with the tv on just struck me as horrific like no it goes off yeah i need to sleep oh no the the tv thing that i don't get and my parents fell asleep to the tv too like i mine too yeah i it's actually like often enough times my husband uh falls asleep a little after

me uh he doesn't sleep with the tv on but he does he's like you know i had to buy a full sleep mask because i was like okay i don't want you to not be able to watch tv if i go to sleep first but i cannot see that like that light just instantly wakes me up i i have to have it blocked out yeah me too it needs to be the room needs to be dark we actually don't have a tv in our bedroom and you know because natalie used to my wife used to fall asleep watching tv and she kind of very you know graciously kind of figured out how to to not do that because it was it like i just i'm just up like i just like the the light is just such a distraction for me well i will say the reason podcasts work for me is that i i don't listen to a new podcast to fall asleep i I just find like, oh, these old

episodes, I remember this. And basically, there's a few where I'm like, oh, this is a surefire go to sleep one. And if I can hear the more than 30 seconds of it, then I'm like, boy, I'm having trouble sleeping. But usually, I'm just like, I like that. And Bob, we've roomed together occasionally. Bob has seen I can be a very deep sleeper with my podcast yes yes troublingly so and why i'm gonna tell all of our listeners out there if you're not on our patreon think of all the podcasts you could be falling asleep to you're just falling asleep to the free ones yeah yeah there's hundreds of hours i love dough boys as a to pay attention to and listen to as an awake person yes god bless you uh but yeah so they uh they then have a little montage of homer remembering all his favorite times with

his gut uh the oversized hat on the stomach is a pretty funny one and they're yeah that's good for the longest time as a kid i thought this song was the barbara streisand memories but this is the elvis memories song yeah it's a cover of an elvis song not the cats memories either oh yeah yeah that memories is a pretty when i searched memories there were too many songs so then i put the lyrics and then it was like oh elvis memories okay so this is also like a super late appearance of marvin monroe i think I think like he is on his way out in season three. That's what's so funny to me that they're like, oh, who's he going to fall asleep to? Marvin Monroe.

The cattle was slaughtered in the abattoir. Yeah, that's great. And it's a great gag that he was sent the wrong tape because they just ran out. They're like, enjoy this fatty. And the words he's learning are just horrific and things you don't want to fall asleep to like abattoir whatever that word is about like reading the future through animal entrails yes yes yeah yeah every time i've read like some highbrow novel that uses the word abattoir i just hear in my head uh marvin monroe's voice. Great word. This is when all the Harvard grads

get to show off their vocab skills. And I'm certain a thesaurus was broken open for this one. I would hope for perspicacity. Yes, yeah, I agree. Yeah. Hello, this is Dr. Marvin Monroe. Let's build your vocabulary. A abattoir, slaughterhouse.

The cow was slaughtered in the abattoir. Homer, has the weight loss tape reduced your appetite? Well, lamentably, no. My gastronomic rapacity knows no satiety. It's funny hearing Homer use all these big words. i think i love smart dumb homer yeah it's great to hear him say these things in his voice but i also feel like this is a very 90s kind of comedy where so many 90s characters were like big funny word characters like the brain from pinky in the brain uh even frazier at times you know i feel like we got a lot of humor out of like that's a word that no one says and then you'd laugh yeah for sure i i think my maybe my favorite joke is just and

it just homer putting on glasses anytime that happens i think it's the funniest thing imaginable but like like this is just like a you know like a way to have him say smart things in a dumb voice and what he's saying also like doesn't necessarily fully make sense always, but it's, it's great. I think this is a great gag for a great, great gag for Homer, especially using it as a B story in the B story.

There's like, I also love when Homer has just like random deep knowledge about something. Like he knows a lot about the Supreme court, which is like a running thing. And anytime that's invoked, it's always like, I always just think it's so funny so yeah i love smart homer i love dumb smart homer so this this all works for me the selected intelligence is better than just like well he's a dumb food monster who just eats whatever he wants yeah i'm more like the reaction his family has and that they can't understand what he's saying yes what a god's

name are you talking about everybody but lisa lisa is the only one who when she hears it later she's like when she hears the vernal equinox thing she's like no because she knows of course she knows what the vernal equinox is it doesn't have to google it like i did it's called spring forward it's what you call it not uh there's a quick scene of marge learning about the uh millhouse and uh marge is adult viewers like me who are just like, oh, this stops being cute if they open their mouths. And it's disgusting. Bart ends up on the bus alone. He's forced to sit next to Martin.

And again, yes, this is when I was like, oh, yeah, I felt like Martin on the bus. I'm like, oh, boy, I got to tell everybody my new friend. Did you make formal pronouncements? Attention, everyone. Maybe. martin on the bus i'm like oh boy a new i gotta tell everybody my new friend we're so close did you make formal pronouncements attention everyone uh maybe actually i'm just like everyone you should know like yeah i i mean the uh i also just love how he says i'm just as unpopular with the ladies as i am with the chaps he does sound like mini mouse and Bart just has to go like, yeah, whatever. So anyway, if you want to hang out, it's a date. Like, it's, man, it's so great. Yeah.

Hey, Martin. Bart? This is the first time anyone has ever sat next to me since I successfully lobbied to have the school day extended by 20 minutes. Listen, Martin, right now I'm looking for a friend who won't leave me for a girl. That's me. I'm just as unpopular with the ladies as I am with the chaps. Yeah, right.

Anyway, do you want to do something after school? It's a date. Everyone, Bart and I would like to announce that we are friends. Now, Bart, would you care to listen to me play the lute? Uh, sure. Come home, my bunny warrior. Now, Bart, would you care to listen to me play the lute? Uh, sure. Come home, my bunny warrior. For now, the nets are full of fish.

And I also love that he's like, has Bart come over to play his song? Apparently it's an original song because I searched those lyrics and it's only this episode that comes up. So... Yeah, I mean, the timing is perfect. This is Martin Prince's composition. Yeah, yeah.

It's an original composition. The timing is perfect, though. As he's walking across the room playing his lute and singing this song, he walks to the window and that's when you see Bart fleeing

through the front yard. Is this scene cut for syndication? Do you know? I would... I think it was. I so yeah it's i think they just chop it off at the bus of like he's my friend and bart's humiliated and then they i think they just move on from there it's so it's a funny scene it's so much funnier seeing the this play

out like as bart realizes he made a huge mistake and he's got to get the hell out of here like this is he'd rather be alone i've seen it used as a meme by some funny people online of just that Martin with his lute represents something people run away from. Like they're just like, oh, this thing is happening on a TV show. I hate this. And the look on his face as he's singing too is such a funny look. Yes, actually, Nick, I did check in that those 19 seconds were excised for syndication. Wow, wow.

As was the second commercial Homer watches. oh that's bullshit yeah man so then you don't get a rich creamery butter repeat right yeah apparently they actually meant for him to be playing a liar they wrote loot into the script and then they realized like oh wait this is a liar we meant uh we wanted that but it's fun seeing him play the loot i like it here's where there's a fun deleted bit from the script of homer more of his words when the donut delivery guy comes to the plant homer grabs one and says oh jelly donut what gustatory delights lurk beneath thy crusty carapace takes bite pure ambrosia more and more fancy words. I think the donut man is tickled by this. Yes, yes.

He's like, finally. Speaking of somebody else who's tickled, Marge is very tickled when Homer gets turned on. At first she's like, what the hell are you talking about? Then Homer, just with his growl, she's like, oh, okay. I don't know if that tape is working. You ate three desserts tonight. Forbearance is the watchword that triumvirate of Twinkies merely overwhelmed my resolve. There's another thing I've been wanting to talk to you about.

Tut, tut, gentle Marge. For here in the boudoir, the gourmand metamorphosizes into the voluptuary. What in God's name are you talking about? Oh. what in god's name are you talking about oh you know what marge maybe don't serve him a third dessert when uh when you're making dinner you don't just put it on homer also like he had he did he had like three because as you say triumvirate whatever he says triumvirate of twinkies yes yeah like did he have three twinkies was that his dessert like three hostess Twinkies? Yeah. Well, that's a pretty, yeah, that's a cheap dessert in the Simpsons household. Yeah. Because I was, I don't think he's trying to say that as, you know, that's a stand in for dessert. He's not trying to say generally. I think he actually had three Twinkies. I will just say,

I'm sure I've said this at Non-Talking Simpsons at some point in the past, but really my only my only the only window into the idea of parents having sex or really any sort of romantic connection at all was this show and the Fox live action sitcom Married with Children. And on that show was like Al was like the most disgusting thing in the world was to have sex with Peg, his wife. But on this show, it's like they're like really horny for each other, like a lot. It's like a running thing in The Simpsons. I always just found that so disorienting. Actually, when I was rewatching The Cosby Show 20 years ago, by the way, and I noticed like, oh, my God, like every episode ends with Claire and Cliff about to have sex.

They're like giggling and pulling the sheets over themselves. And you see executive produced by. And it's like, that's almost half the episodes. I was watching with my girlfriend at the time I was like I didn't know that it was this like sexually driven but then we know about Bill Cosby so yeah right sure we've seen the aphrodisiac episodes

yeah exhibit B as it's called yes I'm sorry no but but I like that Marge Marge is ready for snuggling once she knows what Homer's talking about which is good I like that Marge is ready for snuggling once she knows what Homer's talking about, which is good. I like that she is sexually attracted to Homer. It's always fun.

Yes, 100%. And so we have a violent, itchy, and scratchy classic here. One head gets cut off and the body drops, and then the other head gets cut off, but the body stays up. So it's like a headless body holding a head is such a great visual. Very body. As is the heads trailing behind the car in a just married thing. That's really great. And I've been in this third wheel scenario as well of like laughing heartily, seeing that friends are not having a good time.

And they go like, nah, forget it. So here's another big change from the script. When they go to the movie theater, Samantha makes it clear she doesn't like seeing scary movies like Space Mutants. And she says, why can't we see Rollerblade High? It's got the two best Corys in it, which is a good line. Yeah, we actually see the poster for Rollerblade High when they're leaving, but it's obscured by one of the characters. I was wondering what that said.

I wonder if that got cut then, or like fully animated and then cut yeah i didn't think rollerblades were around then i guess they were i guess those this was like yeah the early 90s they kind of came on the scene pretty new at that time for the dawn of rollerblades yeah yeah and then in the original script i saw henry that uh the space mutants a movie was French movie. Which makes more sense. Yeah, I must apologize to you listeners. When we did Colonel Homer, I said that was the final appearance of a Space Mutants film in the show. I was wrong. This is Space Mutants 7, as we see on the sign later.

But you're right. This loses the plot in the script. They have it how it always was, where, oh, the Space Mutants are in a new place place like they went to australia in the previous one so just a wallaby so this one is space mutants go to france and they're talking about how they hate american tourists and how the wine was improperly chilled they cut all this to just get straight to the though like you said uh nick the it speaks to the the themes of the episode where it's a two-faced woman who turns into a monster that eats the guy who was on the date. So, yeah. I'm just thinking these kids have watched two simulated sex acts in one episode.

That's a lot. That's true. That's true. Yeah. Sickos. You know, when I was a kid, I watched the first Police Academy and it very confused me. I thought all Police Academies were like PG comedy films and we rented the first one

and that's when I learned as a child it was a boob comedy and I didn't know what to do with that information. Police Academy won hard R. Really surprising because the rest of the series became so like four kids basically. It must have been that it was like a hit on TV where they cut out know just it was like four kids basically it must have been that it was like a hit on tv where they cut out all the boobage and like kids loved it sure

oh that makes a lot of sense oh and the cartoon yeah yeah well then again my parents let me watch robocop when i was like 10 or under 10 actually because again because the toys which uh was wrong they should i'm gonna say they shouldn't have done that and uh and i like that bart i think that bart is like wants to look at me i was like see we'll see what women are like but he just drove them closer together that's why he says no that's a good one i was also like bart in that when my friends uh politely tried to tell me like uh so we might want to just spend time you know on a date. And I was like,

Oh, I get it. I get it. And then going home to cry. I love him crying in the alley. It's so just like, Oh man, that feeling of being a kid and like, try like being so angry and so defiant.

And then when you actually grapple with your emotions, you realize that you're just so hurt that you're just fucking crying by yourself. It's just like, Oh, that's such a great uh such a great kid moment to depict and then millhouse coming over not to comfort him but to ask him for a favor and just how fun like how that daily kid just like how savagely he ends up replying uh you know with machinations to to to get them caught uh yeah it's i i i love that sequence you can almost see it from bart's uh perspective of just like oh 100 you reject me and now you still want to use me for my fucking treehouse like yes yeah though of course what bart does is wrong uh i'm not saying he's not

it's good but yeah and it's also a big change from the script because act two on the tv show ends here but in the script Act 2 ends after they're caught in the treehouse. So I think it's better. Oh, interesting. I think it's better ending with Bart's cackling and just like,

that leaves you in a higher place. More suspense. Yeah, more suspense. Yeah. And then Homer says, now there's a Machiavellian countenance. Ooh, a sextet of ale. Yeah, Machiavellian is one of the words

they can't define at the end in the Homer says segment. It just says, Machiavellian, one of the words they can't define at the end in the Homer says segment just says Machiavellian I don't know I love that I love how the joke dense it is there's just like that little joke on the card that you probably don't see on the first viewing that's great hey I've got an idea why don't the three of us go spit on the principal's car listen Bart there's such a thing as spending too much time together oh fine I'm tired of watching you two lip, there's such a thing as spending too much time together. Oh, fine. I'm tired of watching you two lip wrestle. There's plenty of other ways to be grossed out in this town.

Bart, wait! Yeah? Can we still use your treehouse? What? Get bent. If her father catches us, he'll kill her. kill her all right millhouse you can use my tree house thanks bart samantha and millhouse sitting in a tree about to lose their privacy uh and this is when in uh this is very tragic i feel they try to have their cake and eat it too by the next when you see samantha again she's not upset but like this actually like destroys her

like in in a darker world she is physically abused like the way she is shaken in this like i was like oh bad stuff's happening when she gets home. But yes, here's them getting caught. Samantha. Dad. No. Samantha, you're my little girl, and sometimes my imagination runs away with me. Just tell me what happened. Well, Milhouse and I.

That's enough. I'm putting you in an all-girls school. You're never going to see that boy again. Milhouse! Samantha! Well, Milhouse, tis better to have loved and lost, yadda, yadda, yadda. Let's go to the arcade.

How could this happen? We started out like Romeo and Juliet, but it ended up in tragedy. Haraspicy. Predicting the future through the study of animal entrails. Dad, Dad, do you know what today is? The vernal equinox? No, it's two weeks since you got that subliminal weight loss tape.

Let's get you on the scale. You gained 13 pounds. Disingenuous mountebanks with their subliminal sectarianry. A pox on them I am disgusted knowing that Milhouse had peanut butter for breakfast as you can tell yeah but the shot of like the afternoon

like it's like two meals ago yeah gross so yeah the funny thing too with Jeff Martin's daughter is apparently when she was a kid and saw this episode and it ends with the father yelling at his daughter that she apparently like burst into tears because she thought it was like a coded message from her dad that he was upset which is that at least that's what they tell on the commentary that uh maybe someday i should

ask samantha martin online i'm like hey this really happen? The no with the birds flying away. They say that's a Brad Bird invention, but you see it in everything. I feel like it must have been in the movie beforehand, right? Yeah, just birds reacting to someone shouting or a noise or something. The vernal equinox, that's when you spring forward. So here's two big things for a cut from the script here.

And these are the last of homer's fancy word talk here so after lisa says let's go get let's get you on the scale homer says oh if only it's felt morphology weren't so integral to the 90s zeitgeist so i wish they kept that in there just i love when they say specific dates that make it very dated when you rewatch yes oh and then the other one is so we just see homer throw the tape into the trash but in the original script homer writes a letter to the tape manufacturers before throwing it away and he writes i don my scriveners cap to castigate you your inefficacious weight reduction schema i demand expedious recompense dyspeptic at your meretriciousness, I am Homer J. Simpson.

I think there was just enough of the big word humor in this episode. Yes, yeah. So many. Honestly, one more scene would be too much. Yeah. To use a big word I like to use, one more scene would be ungepotschka.

They still want the right amount. Yeah, that's a favorite. If I can just call nick a heat seeker in this that we hit all the uh there was no boys tropes there was one note in the script i liked like the very great shot of millhouse standing alone on the jungle gym as they comment on him in the script it says like heathcliff and withering heights oh wow that's so funny yeah that's great man that was their direction to give the artists well they did a great job like that is another meme i see i've seen that sad

millhouse on twitter for sure 100 no i've definitely seen that meme definitely seen that gif uh the this is a thing that i realized i i misremembered because there are some ralph voices that are not the ralph that we know there are some different and I remember this one as being one of them and then on these rewatches I was like no that's actually kind of Ralph Wiggum's voice pretty dialed in it's mostly Ralph Wiggum yeah and it's Ralph in the script too well it's not Wiggum it's not like stupid Ralph it's Ralph who makes trenchant comments about what's unfolding yes right right right yes yeah I I guess I mean like how his voice sounds not like the voice of the character.

He's not my cat's breath smells like cat food, Ralph, yet. He's nearly there. By Valentine's Day the next year, it'll all be changed. Yes. And so Bart asks Lisa for help because mom's not there and he doesn't know what the hell home is saying lisa's by the way eternity magazine has a reference to the 25 25 song uh that says were the songwriters right like it's mostly obscured by lisa's hand you never see a clear shot of it but it's in the script yeah yeah that was like oh there it is in the script just to make it clear that shows you just how much they

actually write into the script all these like visual gags a cute joke about bart putting his four finger hand against a five finger hand saying gross that's good i like that and his dow chemicals yet made that minty gel i feel like they haven't yet oh no it didn't hit in like uh well october of 1992 so i don't think we're getting it you know i did not intend this to line up but nick your last uh podcast appearance was the one where Bart and Milhouse stopped being friends again. So in this scene of Bart coming over to his house and meeting Luann Van Houten, it's a sequel scene to that one in the episode. This before. Right.

Yeah. Luann wanted Bart to not be friends. And now Bart's coming over. She's like, oh, Milhouse could use a friend like you. Like it's I feel like it's an intentional callback yeah that's interesting I didn't even make that connection but 100% yeah and that episode is when Milhouse just achieves the the status of best friend right yes yeah yeah he's fully Bart's friend if you will Bart's friend right yeah that title by the way a year, they'd have called it like Millhouse something like a millhouse divided or what?

No, wait, that's what they call a future episode. It feels like a reference to Bart. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there you see our new net zero hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans ev tariffs solar panels and much more making your usage clearer your trips greener your home cozier and your world brighter find our net zero hub at electricireland.ie dog it's an f it's Bart's friend does this. It's all about Bart.

Don't worry, kids. Who's Milhouse? This is the Bart show. And so Bart heads upstairs when Milhouse is crying. Note that he has a Spinal Tap poster. So that's interesting continuity there too. But I have a quick clip here.

It is the first appearance of Kirk Van Houten. Bart, I'm glad you're here. Milhouse could use a friend like you. Milhouse? Bart, I didn't want you to see me cry. Oh, come on. I've seen you cry a million times.

You cry when you scrape your knee. You cry when they're out of chocolate milk. You cry when you're doing long division and you have a remainder left over. Well, I didn't want you to see me cry this time. Listen, Milhouse, I got a confession to make. I'm the one who knocked on your kissing. What? Milhouse is out of bed and full of beans.

Oh, it's a miracle. They closed the door on two children fighting. I've really adopted that out of bed and full of beans when I start my morning. I had an alt in case someone else used little knee socks

for their intro and my alt was out of bed and full of beans. I think we went over this, Nick, on your first appearance but when Maggie Roswell voiced who would later be called luann van houten she did a millhouse imitation and they're like oh that's too far but when hank azaria did a millhouse imitation for kirk van houten they're like that's hilarious do that so she felt a bit slighted and actually when she greets part of the door it sounds like she's doing a millhouse imitation yeah a little bit a little gravel to it i didn't know my again my mom had to explain full of beans to me that was not a colloquialism in my

neck of the woods i don't know if it was for you guys and it's funny too as i'm saying that i'm using neck of the woods another colloquialism to explain it the part of this scene in which bart is feeling for a weapon they say on the commentary but i totally forgot it's a reference to dial m for murder when the woman is being strangled and she's reaching for something and she finds the scissors to stab her assailant with. Underrated Hitchcock movie, everybody.

Check it out. It's like 80 minutes long. It rules. Reaching for the, like, I always think of this. There's a similar joke in The Secret of Monkey Island when he, like,

a guy brushes tied up underwater and he is, this is a point a point and click adventure game for people who aren't gamers who are listening and uh from the 90s and he is guy brush the protagonist the player character is tied to an idol that has been sunk underwater and he's looking for something to cut it to cut it and like just out of reach is like there's a butcher's knife there's a pair of scissors there's like a broadsword there's a bunch of like super sharp implements and the solution is you just pick up the idol but i really like this here as he's reaching past all these like deadly things that are for some reason on

millhouse's floor uh before finding the eight ball millhouse is a broken bottle in his room you know nick if you love secret of monkey island i have a book i would suggest to you uh that's written by one person on this podcast. It'll be out in September. It's my Day of the Tentacle book from Boss Fright Books. Wow! Oh my god, I 100% ordered that. That's rad. Congratulations. We don't promote that one enough on this

podcast. It's still up for pre-order. I forgot that I wrote it because it's been in the works for like five years, so I was just reminded, like, oh right, I did write a book book and it'll be out soon. Where's, I don't want to derail us too much. Where does day of the tentacle rank in your hierarchy of LucasArts games?

It's number one for me, for sure. Number one for you. Yes. Wow. Absolutely. But yeah, so Azaria,

yeah, he plays, he plays Kirk just like Milhouse. And, and so Bart smashes the eight ball right on his face, says eight ball, didn't see that coming. And this is also like, this is another of those moments where it's like oh this is not how you write these things now nobody apologizes to each other like it's like nobody addresses their

emotions it's just like well we fought each other the end like we guys are over it now right we we expressed our emotions through violence as men are supposed to yeah yeah it's very dog-brained it's just like now we can move on uh the but and the same sort of thing honestly with samantha because you know she has kind of a happy ending her an unearned happy ending but that's where she ends up yeah no i i kind of hate her ending i but yeah but yeah but before we have that we have one last bit uh just to let folks know that Homer's back to normal. Marge, where's that metal dealy you used to dig food? You mean a spoon?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's good. The reckless abandoned Homer shovels the ice cream into his mouth with, always sticks with me, like, he's like, he can barely breathe in between his. In the yo, yo, yo. Yeah. One of my friends, one of my very good friends from middle school who we would go watch, we'd watch Syndicated Simpsons together and sometimes tape those episodes on VHS

and then rewatch them in between the syndicated airings you love that line just always quoting it like the metal dealer used to dig food um it's very great i've i've felt that occasionally with this happening behind between a married couple like i have felt that occasionally in the house too of like hey where's that thing you know my thing that i you know the thing then eventually i realize it like it's a i feel like i'm like oh no i'm homer that's that's yeah the decay of time it's just like your brain just starts to lose vocabulary words and just you can't i i completely sympathize i'm at the age now i completely sympathize with every time my parents called me by my brother's name i'm just like oh yeah of course understandable mistake yeah i've i've done the thing homer does where you mime the action to be like it's it's

the thing you know you you you flip the oh spatula spatula that's what i know no you know my mom me and my brother would razz her if we if we both had uh as kids we both went by like one syllable names with an a in the middle of it so it's just like i was max he was sam and so like of course if i had to keep straight up max and sam in my house now i never could i never could be like max like hey sam yeah that would be what i'd say all the time. You had LucasArts Adventures own Salmon Max in your household? We really did. Listeners can hear we did a Salmon Max cartoon

episode and Bob's the bigger Salmon Max fan than me but I actually knew about it early before the creation of the games even because I had an uncle who lives around in the bay area and had the the indie press comics version of it so when he just saw it on the shelf he's like this is the

name of my nephews i have to buy this for them so i i had the comic before the game yeah that's why henry is really into that new streaming network that's debuting this month finally it's for me I mean get rid of all that HBO crap that's not what I care about to Tony Max yes Max just for me yeah the I really like the salmon Max Lucas arts game and I had the opposite way of like I learned about

the existence of the comics through the through the game like yeah yeah I was lucky to have a cool uncle i uh that's it was was very lucky i still want to see the autographed steve purcell comic you have damn it when i move i'm gonna find it around here i know i got it it's somewhere i must see it you must upload it i promise i will it's inscribed to you right or to your old self yes yeah uh nick it's it's signed so my, when the Hit the Road collection,

which is actually pretty rare, or at least is printing, I know it's still rare. It's Surfing the Highway. It's Surfing the Highway, thank you, yeah. And the first page is signed to us from Steve Purcell, and he drew Sam and Max's head, and it's like two Sam and Max, and then Max has the word balloon that says,

these kids have weird names. It's signed Steve Purcell. I got to see it. All right, so we're near the end here. And this bit apparently was, I wonder what the original ending was, because this ending is all James L. Brooks. They said it was a James L. Brooks fix. I mean, it's in the draft that's on archive.org, but that is final delivery, so it's certainly the uh the draft that's on archive.org but that is final delivery so it's

certainly not like even draft two uh it's like i guess it's like the shooting script or whatever they use for the voice actors right i think so yeah it but like james l brooks so they mentioned it that like gene and reese are not only again they were working insane hours that like this nick you you worked on a tv show this must sound crazy to you that so they said they were working like over 100 hour weeks a lot of the time because they were heading up the Simpsons, delivering all those episodes. And on top of that,

they were developing the critic with James L. Brooks, like all the time. Like, yeah. Yeah. That's one of those things where I'm sure that's how it felt, but it's probably a little hyperbolic.

Like, I think if you actually do the math of how many hours that is spread out of the existing time within a week, it's kind of impossible. But yeah, it's not. It's like 60-plus hour work weeks are not uncommon. So I would not be shocked if that was close to the truth. Mike Reese tells a story that it was months before he had one day off, that he even just had a day off

or that al gene had walked for a time had walking pneumonia and was passing out during edits one time but i definitely remember stretches when i worked in the video game industry which is all non-union and so like long stretches where no weekends you know like just working literally every day were a lot more common. And yeah, that's just unsustainable. Well, yeah. I mean, that's the crunch spits out guys like you. Like, actually, yeah.

What do you think? This is a side, it's a total side tangent. But what do you think of like you were, I believe in the QA field, right? And now a lot of QA companies, including with Activision, a lot of those groups are starting to unionize or push for it. It's great to see it. I started in QA and ended up ultimately working in design. But yeah, the QA industry, it's rife with just horrible workplace conditions and not enough compensation and unreasonable expectations. And so yeah, that push for unionization is great. I'm not going to give credit to any company, but it is encouraging that like Microsoft just

basically came to the table and accepted the union, you know, and it's just just allowing these things to take place without being like the roadblock that, you know, an eviler corporation like Starbucks is insisting on being. But yeah, but yeah just like you know from from covering the fast food industry and also you know having worked in the video game industry seeing both of these sectors start to unionize and like it really an artist it's it's it's super encouraging i also like i'll say i'm encouraged by studios like uh you know insomniac hat when they released ratchet and clay the fuck was the most recent one riffs apart rift apart that's right i was i was gonna grab it off of my shelf to remind myself uh they but like rift apart came out and that their whole thing there's

like this was made without crunch and it's like oh that's great that that was like a an internal corporate value so but yeah like i'm i'm super pro union i'm gonna i love this labor ascendancy in america it's great it's great to see yeah i wish when we worked in the games press the more games press in the america is unionizing lately when we worked in it that well i would have killed for that like but i'd never had the guts to ever even try to start a union in my uh workplace i just went into it half-assed yeah that's the american way but yes it was it was james l. Brooks who pitched this happy ending at a Catholic school, which not normally seen as like, oh, getting sent away to an all-girls Catholic school as punishment. And she loves it.

This ending would be so much more tragic if she had the natural reaction of, oh, my life was ruined by having to go. I miss a public school. She has to love being there. It feels so fake to me. It's like, uh, you know, mentally I'm thinking is Samantha putting on a brave face not to, to let mill house off the hook. So he doesn't feel bad when she actually like hates it there. Well, she's like living in the storybook world of what is it Madeline? Oh yes, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's phony phony it's unearned but i think it's like they can't end this on a dour note right like they can't they can't have this they had to give some sort of

positive outcome for her so you know it's it's fine i think it's also it's funny enough like the french canadian nuns and what is it is it what is it the line nipa day boys whatever it is whatever the french is like i think that's i think it's funny enough where i'm okay with it and uh there's one last cut line i know i think this was right to cut because it makes it too dark i millhouse says right before he gives her the gummy bears he says samantha i wanted to say that this wasn't going to break us up but after that two-hour bike ride i think we better say goodbye it's like oh that's too mean. Like, to make it literally him breaking up with her. I'm glad they cut that. That's good.

But yes, it's a bittersweet farewell in our final clip here. I went to Circus of Values and bought you a 10-gallon tub of gummy bears. Hey, Samantha, I'm sorry about getting you thrown in the penguin house. That's all right, Bart. I love St. Sebastian's. It's run by a group of French-Canadian nuns. They're very nice, except they never let me out. Samantha, n'est pas des boys. I have to go now, Milhouse.

Better not. It's 50 rosaries a kiss. Okay. What the heck? Bart, think I can ever find another one like her? You're asking the wrong guy, Milhouse. They all look alike to me. Now let's go whip donuts at old people. Bart hates women.

That's important. At old people, too. Now, we're almost done here. I want to go over this very boomer reference because this nun running across the play field with her guitar, strumming it. The kids are following her very boomery reference to the movie the singing nun uh based on the actual singing nun uh janine deckers who in 1963 wrote the grammy winning song dominique and this is maggie roswell singing dominique but then making up french making up fake words after that. In that script, it says Dominique, Dominique, et cetera,

is what it says in the script. So they didn't do her any favors. They did not write down the lyrics. But in the 60s, you had a flying nun, you had a singing nun. They were doing everything. Yeah. We had Sister Act in our childhoods. That was our nun.

Yeah. Well, by the end of the run was the other one oh yes yeah you know but by the end of sister actually becomes a real nun right doesn't she take her vows yeah i think she does i think that's the that like she she's become a full-fledged nun or been accepted into the convent that's one of those ones i re-watched that fairly recently like within the past few years that's one where it has it just uh the podcast the action boys a very funny podcast they have they call it the canon ending because a lot of canon films end this way where like it has the climax and then just like straight to credits and that's when

like the pope comes and they just do a concert for the pope and as soon as they they finish singing for the pope it's like you know here like there we go credits are rolling not wasting any time at all with any sort of coda i just just watched a movie with a canon-style ending. Yes, Madam, the Michelle Yeoh film. And Cynthia Rothrock. Sorry, and Cynthia Rothrock. And hey, let's credit Troy Harkin there too. He's pretty cool in it.

Maybe you Catholics can remind me. It's been a long time. I believe a rosary is saying a Hail Mary for every bead on the rosary necklace. That's a lot of rosaries. A lot of Hail Marys. Doing 50 of them? There's a lot.

Yeah. Not only did my mom have to explain what a rosary was when I first watched this as an almost 10-year-old, because Bob is just a few months older than me, but also I didn't know this was my introduction to Canadians say out different jokes. Oh, yeah. Like when she says, they never let me ute. I'm like, Mom, why'd she say that? But now Bob is very familiar

with all these things. Though also, these are French Canadians, which I would think they pronounce ute in a different way than an English Canadian says ute. I mean, that always bothers me because I know a lot about the Canadian accent, especially now. And it's more like ute. It's not like ute. It's more like oat it's not like oot it's out

interesting and like house things like that i just learned you say it newfoundland not newfoundland newfoundland people from newfoundland say it that way i did not know that i was yeah have you ever been to canada nick i forget yeah i know you've never crossed the ocean yeah i've never crossed an ocean but i have been to canada for doughboys we went up to vancouver we've done two live shows in vancouver and then we did oh maybe that's it i mean oh we went no we went up to saskatoon uh which is in saskatchewan we went to saskatoon in january which is the coldest i've ever been but they have a festival up there called winterruption and we did our we did a live show up there for the lovely crowd that's great man i was. I was like, boy, January of all months to go to Canada.

Vancouver's the place to be. You can go there in January and have a great time. Yeah, I love Vancouver. We had one weird show, but then the second show we had was great. That's awesome. Great food there. Great food. Yeah.

And also that whipping donuts at Old People, that is what happens to Abe Simpson at the start of Treehouse 4 in Season 5. The line in the script is different and worse about what they want to do do you remember what that was oh well no wait uh man i forget it wasn't whipped donuts at all people yeah it was like well they had one of like spitting it uh a bug zapper but uh man what was it does hope does what while you're doing that does bart say whipping like because he also says whipping cupcakes at some point i'm trying to think if there's any other oh yeah that's it what they said what are you doing it's like just whipping cupcakes and

he's like yeah no yeah yeah that's right man one other thing just just in this ending like the this ending sequence that the animation gag of handing the 10 pound bucket of gummy worms to samantha and then her like her arms immediately hitting the floor is very very funny great animation you can feel the weight to it also in the script homers the homer says thing is in there it wasn't like a last second edition which oh wow okay yeah but okay i got the line right here uh they all look they all look alike to me then bart says now let's go to a tv crusty's coming on yeah that's weak compared to whipped donuts at all yeah yeah i appreciate it and yeah it's also posed like a casablanca exit which i'm glad they didn't just do they had a funnier line than just a parody of a beautiful friendship thing or whatever just uh

didn't bother with that just let it be a visual casablanca thing and also hearing the in the audio alone i like that when the kiss happens it is the triumphant french national anthem coming in that that was pretty cute they got a laugh at me yeah this episode though uh it's funny that the writers are kind of down on it because they're like where'd this come from where we were out of ideas that's where the episode idea came from but i think they're not giving themselves enough credit the b story is great the a story is great it's a very strong episode especially for being at the end of a very long season for all these guys and the end of uh algin and mike reese running a show for the first time yeah the first year yeah i know i'd say you compare it to the auto show which i also loved

but if you're going to just go like pure script, like ability or through line hitting and a B plot that works like I, I think this works much better than the auto show as a script. Both are great episodes, but like this has a B story that has a perfect beginning, middle and end. And they story to beginning, middle and auto show by comparison. It's like, let's go to a rock concert. Now Bart wants to learn how to play guitar. Then he completely stops caring about that. Then auto moves in. And then it's just, it's more of like, and then, and then, and then.

This really follows a much better like arc, I'd say. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, definitely. I think, I mean, like I've rewatched this one more recently, obviously. But, you know, I watched, when we were, during quarantine quarantine we specifically watched like all of season three again because just because that season is just like you know like I was saying like so many of these stories hit so well it's got so many jokes that like you just have

memorized and yeah I think I think this holds up as one of the stronger episodes of the season honestly I really like it it's not like the gag fest of like Homer at the bat but it's like it's it's I think it's just like a really great Bart story and it's does a's it's i think it's just like a really great bart story and and it's does a great job of as as you both have have uh made clear is like a really establishing

millhouse's character and uh you know like a one of the more important side characters in the series you know we've covered a lot of second to last episodes of a season that have all felt pretty weak by even in season four yeah even by season by season four, by the season standards. This is one of the strongest second to last episodes, I think, for sure. Yeah. Thank you once again, Nick Weiger, for being on the show. Please let everyone know where to find you online and more about Doughboys

and Get Played. Doughboys is a podcast about chain restaurants and me and Mike Mitchell, and also thank you both for having me back. It's always a delight that I don't come on any time next time. But the, yeah, we talk about we talk about chain restaurants and that's basically it. We were trying to think of what we reviewed lately. We recently had Scott Aukerman on to talk about Orange Julius. So that's the kind of thing you might expect.

And then we on Get Played, we it's just me and Heather Ann Campbell and Matt Apodaca. And it's just a place where three friends just talk generally about video games. It's less of a newsy podcast. We will have episodes where we'll talk about one game in particular in detail. But a lot of times it's just us, you know, talking pretty loosely about a hobby that we all share and have a passion for.

So yeah, check out either of those. And I'm not really on social media anymore, but you know, find my podcast wherever you find podcasts. Doughboys and Get Played. And thanks again. Appreciate it. Oh, you're welcome thank you so on a recent get played you guys uh did a game that uh the executive producer of it is uh is a friend of the show uh the murder of sonic the hedgehog uh like uh michelle was our friend michelle was an executive producer on that game

great that's awesome i i thought that yeah i thought that game came out uh i like that was a really really fun uh you know bit of freeware just just an absolute blast you would see the fake commercials for those type of things as an april fools and then afterwards they be like but obviously we didn't make it and this one they're finally like no we made it like we just did it yeah we actually did it it's the kind of fun i love nintendo they would never have that much fun they would say make sure mario is drawn correctly make sure take on me is playing behind him get him out there live shows all all across the country too we i can't wait to hear more of those on on the feeds as well so yeah god bless you and uh but nick it was so great to have you yeah

it's been i can't believe it's been a whole year since we last had you on it was so so great to have you yeah it's been i can't believe it's been a whole year since we last had you on it was so so great to have you yeah but yeah likewise yeah of course thanks so much nick weiger for being on the show please check out everything he does like doughboys and the get played podcast but as for us if you want to check out more of what we do and get these podcasts one week at a time and ad free please go to patreon.com slash talking simpsons sign up for five bucks a month you get just that but also access to ouriseries episodes over 150 to date. We've done things about shows like Batman the Animated Series, The Critic, and Mission Hill, as well as King of the Hill and Futurama. And that five bucks a month will also get you access to monthly new episodes of Talking Futurama and Talking of the Hill. There is so much waiting for you behind that paywall if you've never heard our Patreon stuff before. And second you sign up you get access to nearly six years worth of content as of this recording date so please check it out at patreon.com slash talking simpsons and there is a ten dollar level as well when you sign up for that you can access all the five dollar stuff naturally but you can also access one extremely long podcast once a month only for patrons of that level or higher and what is that

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