Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Black Widower With Stephen Sajdak

Episode Date: April 12, 2023

It's Sideshow Bob's triumphant return, and it's also the triumphant return of the awesome Stephen Sajdak, cohost of the great We Hate Movies podcast! Bob Terwilliger is back and seemingly is happy to marry Bart's Aunt Selma, but could he possibly have sinister intentions? We dig into the creation of this mystery, plus a ton of background on Simpsons vs Dinosaurs, Jerry vs Dino, the original storyboards, and so much more. So settle down next to the fireplace and listen in now! Support this podcast and get over 150 bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking Simpsons. Head there to check out exclusive podcasts like Talking Futurama, Talking of the Hill, the What a Cartoon Movie podcast, and tons more. I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, a piece of non-clap chat that never makes you want to retch. I'm your host, the seething cauldron of rage and recrimination, Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who is here with me today, as always?

Bantering Jack in the Box, Henry Gilbert. And who is our specialological exploration of The Simpsons, who is here with me today as always. Bantering Jack in the Box, Henry Gilbert. And who is our special guest on the line. But brother, it ain't ketchup. Steven Sadak is here from the We Hate Movies podcast. And this week's episode is Black Widower. It's like they saw our lives and put it right up on screen. This episode originally aired on April 9th, 1992. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history.

Oh my god! Oh boy, Bobby, Stephen King's Sleepwalkers is number one at the box office. What? Barney and Friends debuts on PBS, and John Gotti is convicted of a murder. Whoa. The murder of Barney, perhaps. Wow. The fact that Sleepwalkers actually won the box office for one week alone is shocking to me.

I mean, you know, it's April. It's an empty time. This is back when two movies would release in April, pretty much. We used to be a proper country, I guess, is the idea. Yeah, right after the Oscars, you're just seeing Best Picture. I certainly didn't see Sleepwalkers in theaters. it was a classic weekend rental with the pals in high school and you just see the branding like stephen king sleepwalkers hey stephen king can't go wrong there it is a weird one he was in a real cat people era because this isn't the only when i think of like

oh it's the cat people what no not that one and the other cat people this is a mick garris collaboration though who he worked with a lot oh yeah yeah he's the stanley tong to his jackie chan i'd say i just watched super cop so that's uh my mind the way i remember sleepwalkers though it's not just that there are people besieged by cats it's that they are an incestuous son and mother who are besieged by cats. And it's got the scariest woman who ever lived, Alice Krejian, speaking of Star Trek, which we were just talking about off the air. Yeah, I think I would run the other way if I saw Alice Krejian. I'm sure she's a totally lovely person, but she scares the shit out of me.

And yes, Barney and Friends. It had been popular as a VHS. No friends were involved. But this is this big move to the public broadcasting system where it got even bigger, like huge, huge, huge. There were tapes before this. It was sort of like Barney Begins, but it was with Sandy Duncan, correct? That's right. She was the superstar.

Yeah. Now I got just a little bit of that. Obviously, I was too old. By 1990, I was eight. I was not watching barney for myself but my little brother was five so he actually did rent a couple barney vhs's prior to the pbs debut so i was aware of barney and you know the perfect timing for barney that the entire internet early on would be about destroying him and delaying ways to Barney. I can remember one of the few bonding moments I had with my sister.

We don't get along at all. One of the few moments we had was together making fun of the bad child acting on Barney. And we were also children. We could identify how piss poor that acting was. I remember, yeah, in 92, I would have been nine. And Barney was like an insult in the the playground it's like you watch barney motherfucker like there was like a barney witch hunt in like the fifth grade or whatever of

like trying to find out who was actually into that shit and the answer was nobody because we were all too old for it but it's like you're a baby because you listen to barney or watch one you're not you're not watching x-men animated which is the cool thing we need to ask why these kids were hanging out after school unsupervised i choose to believe it's a post-apocalyptic story in which the adults were all killed sounds right and they're just together in a schoolhouse imagining a dinosaur it's that's my dark fucked up barney reboot we need one i forgot what's his face is doing the one isn't he from from get out cock is getting a barney pretty thing isn't yes there was a recent documentary about the barney hate. Oh, really?

Right, right, right. Yeah, that was on Peacock. It seemed like it was formatted like a true crime doc. I was like, come on, guys. Now get this. It was called I Love You, You Hate Me. Oh, how clever. Daniel Kaluuya is doing a dark reboot of Barney, apparently. Well, you know, take that with a grain of salt.

Wow. Steven, you lived in the Tri-County area, so it was bigger news there. But John Gotti and his downfall happened around this time. That's exciting. Yeah, I was in the Bronx. I didn't feel any ripples in an Italian neighborhood in the Bronx. Didn't hit your family. No, we all skated by on that one.

The Gotti stuff was always so, like, that was always very adult. That, for whatever reason, was something that was kept from me as a kid you know what i mean like very unaware of it until like kind of understanding it like when seinfeld kind of talked about it and you know what i mean like i got it through pop culture more than anything else of course the subject of one of the worst movies of this decade i'd say oh man he made the Gotti movie, folks. The five boroughs, they make a fist. I heard that critics were too stupid to get it. That's usually how that works. That was part of the marketing, I think.

Don't let the critics tell you what to watch. They've been pushing you around your entire life, these critics. I can feel the ghostly hand of Ebert around my neck. But anyway, that's all that happened when this episode aired. Joining us today once again is steven sadak of we hate movies welcome back to the show steven thank you guys this is always a blast i was really excited when you offered this to me like i've been doing a lot of season three watching anyway and i've never talked about sideshow bob on your show so it's

exciting to kind of dig into all that kelsey grammar stuff and i watched a handful of sideshow bobs before just to kind of have it in my brain and they are standouts you know what i mean they do kind of rise above it's a special kind of a thing at least in the earlier seasons they didn't overuse him it was either once a year or even once every other year kind of a yeah it was like a once every 18 months kind of thing really there's something special about the first sequel episode because it makes it a recurring series. Like they could have chosen that Sideshow Bob would have never returned. Like basically the babysitter bandit.

I mean, yes, there's one off jokes every now and then, but she didn't really return. Or like Jock, who actually did just return in season 34. Yes. Sideshow Bob could have been just as forgotten. But it really is just kelsey grammar is perfection as sideshow bob it seems like you know is he the best guy no i know but but man is he good as sideshow bob i want to point out one thing though up front the wikipedia entry for this episode says originally titled the return of sideshow bob there's no citation so i look that up

and it's buried in some old snpp episode capsule snpp was the old simpsons website that would make these very elaborate episode capsules taken from things written in news groups within that capsule buried in it is someone saying oh it should have been called this so yes that's not what it was originally called i'm sorry i just want to point that out change the wikipedia entry i'm furious this is an episode where it's very easy to catalog this kind of stuff because it is a rare one where the entire storyboards uh noted storyboards by matt graining are on the dvd one of the very rare ones and though i wish they'd re-release it scanned once more in hd because sometimes text is very hard to read even on a big television

for lines of dialogue a couple times i was like wait what's this old line of dialogue that they changed for broadcast but i i have a few of them i still noted but yeah the storyboard is dated october 21st 1991 so that's when they were working on it the behind the scenes of why they did it it was a thirst for awards wasn't it yes they wanted to win an Edgar Award, not an Emmy, although I assume they would want to have won an Emmy too. But in this case, they were seeking an Edgar Award. So they hired a guy named Thomas Chastain to help them craft this mystery. So Thomas Chastain is a mystery writer and a novelist, and he was president of the Mystery Writers of America organization in 1989. He was not the current president, so they didn't have that much of a name but they still had an in and i'll

point this out he died in 1994 he was born in 1921 so he was 70 when he was helping this rude cartoon craft their sexy mystery sam simon wanted it so bad too he really did yeah i think that this like the whole what he called the gas fire and the woman that can't smell like that's all him or maybe he had a good macgyver one-liner possibly this very old man that came up with some of that as well yeah i would assume he put together the skeleton of here's how the murder would happen here's how to set it up with the clues you guys fill in the jokes around that they mentioned on the commentary Mike was saying like look there's a few lines that are just not jokes that they have to just be a delivery of a clue and this guy Chastain he wrote over a dozen books and I love mystery books I love reading them

they're my favorite genre at this point and I wanted to read one of his for this episode because they're normally not that long but they are incredibly out of print not available digitally and I went to our library system not one is in like the six libraries in our city so oh man yeah it's so sad he's so he's out of print that's such a sad thing if you die that's one thing that your stuff is unavailable and no one can even read it like damn that's sad yeah he needed a movie adaptation apparently you know what i mean like that's how anybody stays in print especially i think the mystery genre unless you're just some middle tier you will just disappear which is very kind of ozymandias in the sands in the in the desert kind of a thing yeah agatha christie every book she wrote always in print this guy not the case i looked up his most famous novel

and apparently it was 1983's who killed the robbins family and this was a mystery novel that was also a contest. So you're supposed to read this novel and then answer 40 questions in the back and send them in. And if you could answer all 40, you would win $10,000. Apparently four people answered 39 out of 40 correctly and they won the money. So there you have it. That's 40 questions. That bit was mentioned in his obituary but not that it was 40 questions

the obituary made it sound like all right who killed him but man though that feels like cheating that your bestseller has a gimmick like that but like it's a contest also the 40th question was a math one like everything else was context clues for the mystery itself who did this where did it take place and the 40th one is just like if if X equals Z, what do you, you know. What's the soul for X-Craft? So here's a funny bit added to it from the last time we covered this, which is in Mike Reese's book, he had an extra bit of trivia about the Edgar Awards.

He mentions again what they say in the commentary, Sam Simon really wanted to win it, and he didn't. This book was written posthumously, and he's still mentioning like, I'm sorry for Simon, he didn't get to win that thing but he says but i did in 2000 for my caveman detective story crow magnum pi the award is a painted plaster bust of edgar allen poe it looks like a novelty bottle that should be filled with bourbon as the real poe often was but that's a good one so he did win an award and Crow Bagnon P.I.

is a fun detective story that's also like out of print. It was just published in a magazine and maybe got collected somewhere but the award, it's not just any old Edgar, it is the Robert L. Fish Memorial Award which is the distinction of

someone's first published short story of a mystery style. So he won it. It's a win. But, you know, I don't know. A 45-year-old already published writer going like, well, this is my first mystery, though. It's a participation trophy, you're thinking? Maybe.

So it's funny to know that Mike Reese, he won it nine years after they wrote this. Apparently, it was published in an issue of Alfred Hitchcock's Mystery Magazine, a magazine that is still running. There are two currently running mystery magazines. I found this out recently. Alfred Hitchcock's and Ellery Queen's, both named after long dead people. But they come out every other month, and they're full of mystery stories, both new and old. There's still a market until all the 80-year-olds today are dead. And it's print, I assume's print yeah i think there's digital versions too but these are always

like buried in the back of newsstands behind like the puzzle books and stuff they're always there yeah that's good airplane fodder and or a hospice fodder as well would be nice you know i was looking up some of the things that did get nominated in 92 and 93 of like all right well what did simpsons not even get nominated against and back then it was mostly shows from the uk of like sherlock and poirot stuff okay a few years later it would be like law and order svu won a few but i don't think the funny cartoon show simpsons even had a chance and really i bet there was an episode of scooby-doo that was better than as a mystery this season i like the idea that svu would win because those mysteries are so poor in general it's like oh here's something in the beginning of the episode it's almost like a simpsons gag where like it almost has nothing to do with anything else and the first person

you arrest is absolutely not it no matter where their dna is what state of undress they're in they didn't rape nobody yeah in every svu episode at the 28 minute mark one of the prosecutors says look this guy's a son of a bitch but he didn't do it who is he got a leertide alibi john vd the writer for this episode i think he said that it's sort of written like a colombo in that uh not a whodunit but how he did it's kind of mystery where you know obviously side show bob is the murderer i'm sure the commercial set it up as that but it's more like well how did the mechanics of this potential murder work especially in the third act when you see bob waiting for the explosion like that just is a scene from columbia like that is framed in film like it though they've been just slightly more ambitious and this is a great great great

episode too but macgyver is central to the plot of it then it should be a parody of a macgyver style plot instead of a colombo style plot that's right stylistically it might it would fit a little better it is funny that such a bob decries the hack writing and all that stuff of macgyver not this is hack writing but it's very tv right you know what i mean he's this clownish villain walking in off the street he everybody knows he's gonna do it and then he does and it's a special guest star so like all the most famous persons the guilty one because it's the special guest star uh speaking of guest stars i want to point this out before we truly get into things i think this is steve's fifth appearance on talking simpsons oh man the five timers club

you're right where is steve yes oh go ahead we have a jacket for you you need to pay for shipping and production of the jacket. Okay, good. And a little something for you guys, too. Yeah, okay, I got it. It takes time to go on that website. I'm in who's who now, where I'm just giving money to a crooked corporation so my name's in a book. Understood.

Exactly. We've got a who's who among Talking Simpsons guests, and we'll put you on Mount Lushmore for the year. All right. I think you are one of the very few that has passed five guest appearances i believe thank you i love coming on here i love talking simpsons right that's a two-part yeah that's a good i'm gonna flip that out we're gonna make an ad out of that there's some other funny behind the scenes stuff not just the storyboards that are on the dvd but also silverman has shared a lot like he's very proud of this episode he updated the sideshow bob design quite a lot for it because brad bird if you watch season

one you'll see sideshow bob's first appearance well he looks very little like sideshow bob especially his hair isn't his hair and basically through working on crusty gets busted they're changing sideshow bob like almost every act. Like he is slowly shifting. And so now that he's coming back, Silverman formalized the design of Sideshow Bob into the true Sideshow Bob that we'll see from this point onward in the series. On the DVD, he's got a great instruction manual. Like here's how his head needs to be framed. Yes, it does look like a palm tree think of it like that it's really cool there's a lot of great special notes in there also bob was one of the first

people to make me aware of this and you can see it in the extras on the storyboards matt graining is very upfront about like that he is pc matt on this and that he is the guy who is trying to tell them like hey be careful with this remember to keep the simpsons universe fully integrated asians blacks latinos etc like i think he was getting some notes back then at the time of uh come on man who cares you know who cares about all this diversity stuff well i believe on the storyboards talking about henry he writes that richard sakai was not happy with some of the asian caricatures in the sushi episode. So I think that feedback helped as well. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it helped that out of the rather undiverse for its time production on the show,

they actually did have one of the top producers on the show is a Japanese-American man who could say like, hey, you went a bit broad with these karaoke people. Let's relax is kind of a fair one after the sushi episode. Some producers call Japanese people karaoke people karaoke attendees also i haven't done a tales of the tape in a while but i will do a quick one we're back sometimes i have weird memories about this one because we taped them off tv and i watched them in reruns all the time. I just replay it. And that is The Simpsons that exist in my mind.

But in cases like this one, my family was out of town that week and we missed taping it. And I didn't tape this one until syndication. So it is a rare one where the syndication version is the one in my mind. And every time there's a scene that wasn't in syndication, messes with my head. And I think it was because my family was in the middle of moving from Atlanta to Jacksonville. Priorities, Henry, priorities. When we finally get to, I believe a couple months later, I convinced them to get a VCR that can be set to record while we're gone. And one of my happiest memories, we'll say it again in the Beauty Queen episode episode but we had moved in the week of the lisa beauty queen episode and i was adamant of like i don't care

that we only have lawn chairs or whatever like and i am nine saying this like we have to set up the tv and the vcr right now to watch this episode like we have to or you're gonna hear about it i used to have a really shitty mp3 player that would warble certain songs and when i re-hear the songs now i know where the warble should be and the fact there isn't one freaks me out a little bit that's how well so i've mentioned a lot of times my hubris of taping off tv was hitting the pause button on commercials and thinking like i can unpause it just at the right time and missing like the first five seconds of so many classic Simpsons scenes. I had a memory about being weird about TV and very brief in that there was a new mystery science

theater and I think company was over and I was rarely obligated to hang out with company, but this time I was for some reason. But I had to tell my mom, like, listen, it's a new mystery science theater. I have to be there to watch it. And she made a big deal out of it in front of company. Like Bobby's got to this tv show so say goodbye to him and i was like that's right i will take humiliation for mystery science theater for sure absolutely it was good trade that's right up there with families visiting for thanksgiving and you have to say like this game can't be saved mom it's not that type of game it's gonna just have to say like, this game can't be saved, mom. It's not that type of game. It's going to just have to wait. All right.

Well, all right. Well, this episode begins with a real mean shot at another television show. It certainly does. Do you think it was hard for them to write this show inside of their glass house, Henry? I know, right? No. What are you talking about? The Simpsons invented family sitcoms.

I'll play the clip first and then I have some thoughts. Would you turn off that rock and rock music? Hey, you don't have a stegosaurus, man. These talking dinosaurs are more real than most real families on TV. Look, Maggie, you have a baby too. It's like they saw our lives and put it right up on screen. They really didn't like dinosaurs. I remember watching this as a kid and being defensive of dinosaurs even then.

Being like, excuse you, there's room enough for both. Dinosaurs are bound to be a classic show, just like you, The Simpsons. You both exist on the same level and then obviously life found a way to destroy those dinosaurs i think this was based on one of the producers maybe mike reese just seeing it on tv and thinking like what is this crap and not realizing that it is a very brilliant satire that obviously could never have been on tv without the simpsons even though jim henson was developing it before the simpsons tv show was on fox i think the simpsons allowed weirder stuff to be on tv but uh mike reese says on the commentary like oh nobody

remembers this show but now it's like all of it's on disney plus for all of us to enjoy right next to the simpsons yeah in the funny families tab actually today when i turned on disney plus you know they have the suggested playlists and stuff on the front page. And one of them was funny families. And darn it, the Simpsons were first. They are the funniest family. And the baby, I think, obviously really separates it from the Simpsons because that baby is talking. He's got a catchphrase and the whole thing.

Yeah, baby Sinclair, very different from Maggie, honestly. Yeah, I don't want to guess that it was Mike Reese in particular who was mad about it. And again, we've had Mike Reese as a guest on on our show he's a very nice guy very funny but he's the guy who did say that he felt king of the hill was just homer with glasses on it and i was like no it's not i'm sorry and i think he's defensive in that same way but yeah like experiencing it as a child definitely when dinosaurs first debuted in late april, it was like, oh, this is the new Bartmania. In 1990, you felt Bartmania. Now it's Dinosaurs time, and it's what you're supposed to be excited about.

And, of course, I loved Dinosaurs. Like, its biggest problem was the first season's five damn episodes. And then you're waiting, like, almost a year for more of them. Like, expensive show. Not to go on too long, but this was a show I watched with my family like The Simpsons. And they were huge Muppet fans from the 70s. So they're like, oh, this is the new jim henson thing and it's very funny and i've said this before on a podcast but my parents laughed a little too much at the marijuana

episode i'll tell you that yeah the dinosaurs previous guest of the show jose on his channel on youtube did a great dinosaurs retrospective about how in your memories you just see i'm a baby gotta love me bonk with the frying pan not the mama not the mama etc but it actually is full of clever satire including like some gutsier satire than even simpsons was doing at the same time right after desert storm they are doing a two-parter about how desert storm is just a political circus to distract from the things politicians should be fixing. It's really good. But yeah, like you said, Bob, I think it was a combo of it was something Jim Henson had been working on. He dies in May 1990. At the same

time, The Simpsons gets huge. And that's when ABC is especially like, oh, you know what? That's Henson idea. It's a funny family. Yeah. If you're in your 30s or 40s and a creator, you grew up watching the Flintstones. And obviously, you can take that apple both ways. You can make it a funny cartoon family that takes place now. Or what if there were dinosaurs doing what the Flintstones were doing? And we can integrate all these cool puppet stuff that we can do and really make this a real flesh and blood world. And honestly, it owes way more to all in the family than it does to the simpsons yeah down to sally struthers being the daughter exactly yes yeah and also it's in a locked

set like i mean they do go some other places but because it's not a cartoon like simpsons they often do have to play out like a staged set kind of play of just like five characters here and they're just gonna talk through you know parables of creationism or sexism in the workplace or the end of the world in its memorable finale so i'm saying look forward to talking dinosaurs when we run out of ideas there should be a water cartoon about dinosaurs next year next year yeah maybe so yeah anyway i as a kid felt this was like why are they so mean to dinosaurs that shows good the album did also come out around the same time as this it's called big songs i forgot that that has the i'm the baby gotta love me don't you wish there were more of me wow just landfill fodder man

just ready just immediately ready to go into the landfill there's an artificial reef somewhere of dinosaur series and you could say like oh they're ripping off how the simpsons did sing the blues and it's like you do not need to tell the henson company how to merchandise something they didn't rip that off from the simpsons cashing in is cashing in all the time i also like that they just had nancy for the teen boy dinosaur just like just do bart's voice don't do anything else and they also animate it like their puppet mouths that just flap open and closed it's they're being cruel to the puppets too this is a full-on dinosaurs defense podcast now by the way where mike reese on the commentary is like they had some foam rubber puppets those

are the most sophisticated puppets man had invented at that point in time. Later on in the Troy McClure episode, the earliest time to talk about the Muppets is pretty derisive-ish as well. They didn't really appreciate what Henson was doing. And I guess trying to animate a puppet, the only way you could do it is like, it looks like real, but shitty. You know what I mean? I guess it's kind of difficult unless you're doing like puppet lines.

In 1996, it was decided like, well, no child knows what the Muppets muppets are they're trash clearly this is a show with three defensive muppet fans then all that ends and patty arrives wearing her usual party outfit of funeral black which i love that she says there's a shocking secret about selma's new boyfriend and just like in homer at the bat in separate Vocations it is a trio of thought balloons I forgot this was a runner right yeah obviously they would have cutaways and stuff for a ton after this but to have three people have thought bubble appear and they think of it this is the third of that trio of running gags yeah the Simpsons family we love a John Merrick joke if we could find it if we could find a way to do it we're gonna do it and that's why i make

john merrick jokes to this day lisa has seen the elephant man homer has seen the brain that wouldn't die here's the back to mst3k they're referencing this before mystery science theater does that episode because they're similarly aged nerds good old jen in the pan jen in the pan also in the notes on the dream sequence raining honestly thinks it's not very funny or he's like is this the best and his big note was though an elephant man make it very clear that this is an elephant man movie joke and not a quote-unquote handicapped joke it's like he wanted to be very clear on that you got to do the potato sack you need to do full-on potato sack to do that and it reminds me so much of the critic joke which i

love the most which is what talusia he's got some babes in his ferrari right yeah best thing that i've ever seen him laughing while snuffling at the same time so yeah at first part is excited to hear it's an x-con i also love that Selma frames it as this crazy obsession of not dying alone. They then learn that it's not just any old X-Con. And we get another first here. That's them. Now, remember, everyone, be understanding and forgiving for the sake of family unity. Everyone, I'd like you to meet...

Ah! Say too bad! What the... Selma, dear, I'm afraid the children's reaction is quite understandable. You see, Bart here is the Seamus in short pants who sent me to prison. That's right, Aunt Selma. Your new boyfriend here framed Krusty the Clown for armed robbery. Gee, if some snot-nosed little kid sent me to prison,

the first thing out I'd find out where he lives and tear him a new belly button. Lousy snitch. Yeah! Ah, Mr. Simpson. You're forgetting the first two noble truths of the Buddha. I am not. Yes, you are. One, existence is suffering.

Two, the cause of suffering is desire. In this case, my desire to do high quality children's programming. When prison put an end to that dream, I became a seething cauldron of rage and recrimination. Ah, man.

His voice. A wonderful voice. And that is the second time in three hours that... I am not... The speed of the rejoinder is so perfect that was the first ever ah sideshow bob there though this episode is where the divide happens because it's definitely lisa and bart that take down bob in the first one though it's bart who gets the final blow on him in it but in this one lisa doesn't do nothing it's all bark it's all co-op yeah and i don't

want to be tedious but this episode is very well directed i'm not going to call it everything but there are so many just very good shots david silverman is a master at directing the simpsons and one of the things i love is like the ah side show bob is from bob's perspective looking down at the children it's so great uh and there's more great stuff to come i only you know noted a few really standout shots to not go overboard on this homer's knife is so serrated it's weird to see a serrated knife on the simpsons because you'd want to round it out like you would round out most things but to put the serration makes that joke much more visceral and gritty of the tear of a new belly button and just framed in front of bart's face he's watching the knife dance around all the ways Homer would carve him to pieces yeah and Bob in this part of his life is not defined by hatred

of Bart although there's a little bit of that in this when he becomes Max Katie from Date Fear that redefines his character for the rest of the series but still he's willing to kill Bart but that's not his obsession yet that's how you build story and build improv and that's what I love about how Sideshow Bob develops. Like the first time he hates Krusty the Clown. The second time I kind of want vengeance on the Simpsons, but I have this nefarious plot. Third, I am obsessed with killing Bart.

And then from then on out, it goes back and forth, all of those things. And I think we got our first, ee-hoo-ee-hoo-ee-hoo-ness with the massage and all these things just kind of stick to this character. I mean, he's kind of iconic, right? The design, the voice. Did he make it into any video games?

I'm asking the right people here. Well, he's definitely in the Simpsons game. He is a boss. I think it's like the museum level. Not the full boss of the entire game. I have to ask you because I've never gotten anywhere in that game. I'm fucking terrible at it. Do you mean the Simpspsons game the official like the late aughts one yeah yeah that's the one yeah i remember him in that and i'm sure he's like a boss in one of the bart

games yeah i'm gonna say bart's nightmare but or space mutants i think he might be they worked him into all those old games because there were no other bart villains except for the babysitter bandit and yes she was there too in those old games and it was so awesome that he was the villain of the ride too because yeah he's not in the movie but it almost feels like and they were produced pretty much concurrently that almost feels like they were decided no sideshow Bob in the movie because he is all the ride and the ride is almost as big as the movie to The Simpsons company. The Simpsons will be right back. The Simpsons are making plans for a perfect wedding.

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His explosion of hair when he takes off his hat, like that's such an amazing shot too. And yeah, speaking of perspective, Bob bob there's so many great scenes where you know that bart's supposed to be listening to a clue that will come up later and it's usually framed from bart's level like the camera is down at bart's level every time i compliment old simpsons i feel like i have to like be negative about current simpsons but i don't feel like they play with perspective as often on the last decade or so of Simpsons. Yeah, there's like an honest to goodness Dutch angle at the end of this episode. And I'm like, wow, the Simpsons were doing it. It's about cheating that stuff to give the emotion and what you want from your characters,

which a Dutch angle is like shit is going crazy right now. Kelsey Grammer, he's back. All of this jail stuff. I realize now all of this jail stuff with him is them kind of dunking on the bad boy persona of kelsey kramer at the time yeah there's a funny story on the commentary where mike reese is directing kelsey kramer it's a scene where his emmy is being taken away and mike reese tells kelsey okay kelsey i want you to sound like you're being beaten up by guards and he goes oh i know what that sounds like uh because he did spend 14 days in jail for violating probation, which may as well be eight years to a celebrity.

Yeah. He got the celebrity slap on the wrist of like, OK, we'll give you probation. And then he screwed that up. So he actually had to go to jail. So many drunk driving or cocaine possession things. Yeah, it's. And we have the Republican bit. Obviously, we have to put that in there very early on. You can imagine how difficult it is to be in prison as a lifelong republican lol um yeah that thing flew over my head as a child of course and then by the time it became a plot point in sideshow bob roberts i was at least old enough to go like yeah republicans suck right and they do i didn't realize it wasn't just out of nowhere that sideshow bob would be a republican politician And you could definitely

see a world where Kelsey Grammer thought he'd end up like Ronald Reagan too. But he just had to, at least for the 90s, too many arrests for it to run for Congress. With Kelsey Grammer, I understand. Now this is pretty dark, but if you look into his past, you can kind of see where the substance abuse came from because when he was young, his father and his sister were both murdered in separate incidents so he comes from a very dark past so i understand how that can make you into a republican who does drugs yeah yeah though right now the 68 year old is on a real career boost no longer is he just the star of the money plane but he's the star of the christian

movie nobody watched but is extremely popular jesus revolution he also did a lifetime movie which i can't believe i didn't watch last year it was around christmas my wife and i always do a shit ton of lifetime and hallmark movies and it was one where i think kelsey grammar died 12 days of christmas like he dies it's like a groundhog day joke where he has to get it right and at the end of each one he dies i think like in the trailer it's just like him like falling off a building or something i'll have to look it up i'll pull it up for you folks you know i'll watch that one with my mom next holiday season that sounds like good mom watching and we were just talking about picard season three before the episode started and it's

funny how that is a big like hey the gang's all here we're all together again with the frazier reboot it's just like well nobody really wanted to work with kelsey grammar again and it's just him and baby has new friends who knows i was looking at the cast yeah bb new earth has said she'll come on for a guest appearance but that's it nobody else none of the regulars you loved fraser for like look we do love kelsey gram and fraser but how do you do it without david hyde pierce you can't i mean especially since john mahoney's dead like john mahoney is dead which is unfortunate he's not coming back for it that's already fraser in name only but now if we're doing david hyde pierce like that's that's nothing and by the way the movie i'm talking about is the 12 days of christmas eve brian conway a

successful businessman gets into a car accident on christmas eve santa gives him 12 chances to redo the day and repair the relationship to find the true meaning of christmas eve santa gives him 12 chances to redo the day and repair the relationship to find the true meaning of christmas i need to watch this movie well you know this frazier thing has been delayed for so long that they can just deep fake eddie at this point there's one more returning cast member you know eddie's owners can give away his life rights now like to the digital eddie and then can be an nft as well no it's but yes having him be an ex-con and also a republican that is so on the nose of like he's just kelsey graham and emmy wizard who goes to prison right yeah also that yeah he'd already been a multi-time amy winner i believe at this

point at least one for cheers they couldn't even imagine the kind of success he'd have after this which the troubles he had during the making of cheers you'd be like well there's no way he will have a nine season long incredibly successful spinoff no way and yet it just shows the guy i mean like you know again republicans are not crazy about it all the other stuff in the kelsey grammar arsenal he's so fucking talented you know what i mean like this voice is so perfect especially it really starts to kick up in this episode and obviously cape fear goes really really over the top they keep complimenting him on the commentary of like this was a crazy line and he did it good the first time

like take one just perfection john vd mentions too on the commentary this was a tough one to write because besides joe bob is at his most fun when he is evil but he has to pretend to be good for two acts of the episode so you have to tamp him down so you can see why in cape fear they're like fuck that we're just gonna have fun like he's crazy evil the entire episode we're gonna really indulge also this episode is kind of a sequel at least this act to like father like clown bob over for dinner is laid out just like when crusty goes to dinner in that episode a big act one flashback yeah yeah and also yes the four noble truths of the buddha are the truth of suffering the truth of the cause of suffering the truth of the end of suffering and the truth of the path that leads to the end of suffering those

four noble truths just talking about direction and i think the lighting i guess more so the coloring of showing that this is evening you feel we are over the simpsons for dinner for the evening and later on everything is the same not monochromatic but just bright bright bright all the time it doesn't matter what time of day it is you know what the simpsons dining room looks like it could be breakfast lunch or dinner and so many in animation scene transitions too sometimes scene transitions just happen in editing or that's normally it like they just while they animate this scene now it's the next scene but if you decide in animation this is how a scene is going to transition it takes an extra level of care that you can't just edit it away and the way it goes him saying like a recrimination and then it goes into the pile of garbage he's cleaning up.

That is such a great shot. Pretty much shot for shot from Cool Hand Luke in the garbage picking up scene from that. I finally saw that last year. And guess what, folks? It's a good movie. Check it out. I still haven't seen it. I still haven't seen it.

I've only seen the references. I actually want to rewatch that now watching this episode. I've been kind of sort of like bouncing around Paul Newman's career's career which is a fun thing to do color of money is fantastic i re-watched the tom hanks movie his last movie which is oh god oh road to perdition road to perdition i hadn't seen that's a great one yeah it's a great great one i like him in police squad and naked gun stuff but a surprisingly good role from george kennedy yes who you're normally used to seeing like old and bloated here he's kind of like a very sunburned hunk in this movie wow hunky george kennedy yeah i mean it's a sexy movie dude full on let's go let's watch it we head to the daytime

emmy awards when i was nominated for best supporting performer in a children's program at the daytime emmy awards my bitterness ruined what should have been the greatest night of my life and the nominees are Droopy Drawers, Colonel Coward, Pepito, the biggest cat in the whole wide world, Sideshow Bob, and Suck Up the Vacuum. And the Emmy goes to... I don't believe this.

Sideshow Bob. This is one more Emmy than you'll ever win, you bantering jack-in-the-box. Just don't drop that thing in the shower, Bob. No talent, shill. Take it, banana. Hand her a... More. Stop it.

I can't... Leave me. Now for the highlight of the evening, best film to video transfer. Do you know what prison is like for a lifelong conservative republican in our overcrowded cell we became little more than beasts who used my chapstick oh i did here you go i don't want it i feel like there's a little condescension towards the daytime emmy award stripping off of this year that it's like best supporting sidekick in award like they make up that for the daytime emmys they were being

nominated with kid shows a lot of the time and i mean a lot of them were quality kid shows but they probably wanted to be like up against sitcoms you know yeah yeah though they were still on the primetime emmys though yeah yeah it was against, as they will be pissed off by, three months after this airs, they lose to the Claymation Easter. Radio part. Which led to a lot of negativity from the Simpsons. I had forgotten I have the clip right here. August of 1991, right before they wrote this episode, Bart Simpson actually introduces the primetime Emmy Awards that year. Oh, wow.

I have a little clip of it here. Live from the Pasadena Civic Auditorium, it's the Bart Simpson Show, starring Bart Simpson, featuring the 43rd Annual Emmy Award, with Bonnie Anderson, Christina Applegate, Beatrice Arthur. Okay. Is it Bart animated or is it Bart in a costume? It is Bart animated, yeah. If I had to guess, it looks very rough drafty and good. It's just Bart in a tuxedo. By rough draft, you mean the studio? Yes, sorry.

The Korean studio rough draft. It's Bart in a tuxedo. It's like Space Ghost Coast to Coast. They had 20 frames of animation of him talking and they just cycle through that. Yeah, that sounds about right. I want to know more about this Suck Up the Vacuum movie that's being filmed in Spain. I love it. It shows that make me think that Suck Up the Vacuum is very popular in Spain and not as much in America. I could have used a little more of Pepito, the biggest cat in the whole wide world. It's a great little joke. It's a great character design.

He should be walking around with Bubble Bee Man at least once. Yeah, he should be Bubble Bee Man's sidekick. Yeah, I forgot about him. He's part of that stable. Recently on Twitter or maybe our Discord, I saw someone has a Pepito tattoo and it's great. That's awesome. You got to dig deep for your Simpsons tattoo

these days, folks. Him with his eyes over his hands crying. Though I also like that next to droopy drawers is like a beautiful woman and when he loses she kind of turns away from like his date is very disappointed the drawers aren't drooping tonight folks bob wins the emmy as presented to him by crusty telling crusty it's one more emmy than you'll ever win don't drop that thing in the shower, he says. With Groening, love that joke. He wrote, exclamation point, brilliant. It's funny because they cut the prison rape joke out of Krusty Gets Busted.

I think Krusty had a line like, you know what they do to a new clown in prison? Yeah. Or something like that. This one, Groening liked it. Unless it was a sarcastic brilliant he wrote on there. Oh, also that they have an award for best film to video transfer what a great life that could be a joke about the technical emmys too now what we've all been waiting for the award for best film to video transfer which is fantastic

which is also about making it look worse going from film to video it looks shitty so we head to the overcrowded prison system they said they were little more than animals passing around chapstick another grating note on the chapstick hander is not a black guy graining said like don't please don't have this be a black guy who hands over the chapstick which i think that was a good yeah good instinct yeah i mean the culture commentary now that bob underlines later is that the prisons are crowded because of republicans being in power is that the commentary here i do think it's a little that which yeah it's also funny because the prison system is sideshow bob imagines it would have kept kelsey grammar in jail for like five years for his crime

in a supply closet yeah and yeah later on we get you can't keep the democrats out of the white house forever i'll be back which is kind of the other side of that joke and he does return when bill clinton's in office but this is when we see that bob is starting to go crazy we see sideshow bob's a little bit of what we'll see of him in cape fear he even has a die bart yes we're not yet to die bart die but we're getting there i love his line of like what kind of a guest i have been everybody laughs but bart at least he's looking bad in this episode despite being a super sleuth and crusty gets busted yeah it's true she even thanks him for being a credit to the revolving tour prison system which is very dark they take away bob's emmy you're not allowed to have any awards they're not even a golden globe

that also went over my head then i'm like yeah golden globe suck like awards for artistic excellence all have to be contraband which is a great way to put that we get some snake as well that's exciting yes this is a real big episode for old snake here but first bob gets a pen pal but if i wanted to kill, I'd have choked you like a chicken as soon as I walked in that door. But then what kind of a guest would I have been? Now where was I? Ah, yes. My lowest ebb. You can't take my Emmy.

Hey, you know the rules. Awards for excellence in entertainment are contraband. No Emmys, no Oscars, not even a Golden Globe. But Kismet can be kind as well as cruel I received an answer to my letter from the prison pen pal program Dear number 24601 I need a man and I cannot find one among the law abiding I have a steady job and a lucrative hobby filing nuisance lawsuits I share an apartment with my twin sister enclosed as a photo of us on a tandem bike I forget which one I am I love that picture of them on the tandem bike it's a great drawing I mean I love Julie Kavner

all over this episode she's doing all these voices she's so fucking good and I kind of put together that like Patty and Selma is Julie Kavender doing a mean julie cavender impression which is is kind of what she's doing she's on the commentary and i think mike reese asked her does that hurt your voice to do that and she goes not at all she's normally like very husky to begin with yeah aljean also sets her up for like oh and you play the sisters different right nope and he was kind of like oh i thought you did like it is the best commentary julie cavner's on sometimes she has little to add but and i'm not saying she has a ton to add on this one either but she's a lot of fun on it and she actually seems to really enjoy this episode too she legit lols at the end of the episode watching it 24601 that is jean valjean's prisoner

number in les miserables at least in the musical i haven't read the book i just know i watched the musical 800 times i actually have seen it five times live and on stage in my lifetime and better every time never had the pleasure actually just saw sweeney todd this weekend it's pretty good oh cool sondheim is classier than les mis any time i know the lucrative hobby of nuisance lawsuits that's an important or it would have been an important line i saw this on the storyboards this was supposed to be why she's rich that bob is trying to kill her this is supposed to be an early clue how he knows he wants to marry her to kill her she says lucrative hobby of nuisance lawsuits i mean i love this episode i think one of the flaws is they don't underline her supposed

wealth enough it just kind of one drop line somewhere in act two and you kind of forget why bob is doing this outside of revenge on the simpsons family but we need to see the piles of wealth or some indicator of the wealth. But again, a fantastic episode. I think that's just one little flaw in it. It actually kind of makes some sense with how many vacations Patty and Selma take themselves on. Yes. Where are they getting this money on a DMV salary? They haven't even been promoted yet.

Because it's like, well, aren't they rich? They have a nice apartment. It kind of makes some sense that she would have some money squirreled away. But it's never, to to your point underlined her i think it's that they wanted to have a funnier line of her saying she invested in mace right before society crumpled yeah but they didn't realize that they originally at least in the storyboards it's her saying one of my lawsuits really came through and i have a bunch more money right now and so newson's lawsuits works as a clue early but by taking away that line and changing it to the mace line it robs this scene of her being a person who files nuisance lawsuits is a very early 90s thing to complain about people are using the law too much to extract things from companies

how dare they they put an end to that yeah i think they really got away with something while sideshow bob is reading that letter a man is sitting at waist level with another man's crotch and the guy hands him the chapstick like i don't know i feel like it is meant to indicate a sexual act you know i framed through it and i thought they were indicating something at first like the chapstick was a kind of visual metaphor for a penis, but I don't think it was communicated well enough if that's what they were trying to do. But I understand what you mean.

I saw another one from the storyboards. They're like, oh, that's a dirtier joke that I'll get to when we get there, but yeah. You got to go to Disney, the master for pitting penises. You know what I mean? These are just TV guys doing their best. You need real Disney money to put a cock in something.

You can see bart's penis right now in disney plus you really can they they were saving it for the movie check out our we hate movies we talk all about bart's penis and the movies a little bit also something i didn't realize was a runner this season just like the thought balloons a woman relaxing in a bathtub and submerging her head below the water edna krabappel did it marge did it and here selma does it so it happened three times this season wow wow okay though this one again it's like it's 1991 how do you say that a woman is relaxing and sexually excited has to be in a bathtub that women can feel that no other place the male imagination was very

limited in 1991 and we're smoking a cigarette the cigarette goes out as she goes in which is a funny little guy that's great here's a big cut from the boards here when bob wants to improve things he performs a vita in a prison musical production and he's in a white dress like he is playing Evita in it and singing Don't Cry For Me Argentina. Oh, wow. It's just one page of the storyboard. They don't say why it was cut. I assume it was the finger thing means the money, right? I would bet.

Also, they just did it in Dog of Death. They parody the Norman Rockwell Thanksgiving painting again. This could be the fourth time so far they've done this in the series they love that painting it's a classic well steven i ask you as the movie guy it's been a long time since i've seen midnight express but don't you think you're pressing your cheek is the reference to that scene in midnight express yeah it has to be and it's a funny little gag of you know trying to be chased and like oh we're being early so it's like i won't even fake kiss you with my mouth i'm gonna fake kiss you with my cheek it's it's a funny little gag i like it you know i never flagged that as a minute express gag but it is so many people have

done their parody of it i just forget i think i'm thinking of the cable guy i think of the oh moment for cable guy yes when i finally watched I was like, oh, this is far filthier than Cable Guy. The conjugal visit scene. This is when Snake gets his name. He first appeared in War of the Simpsons. His name in the script was Jailbird. Because he was leaving jail. Yeah, he was like, oh, get up.

Yeah, he's about to get out of jail and go to the party at the Simpsons place. And this is when they name him Snake. And you can see the big snake tattoo on his arm. Of course, though, this is a Wizard of Oz parody. The parodies are coming like eight deep. And I've had to explain. We've explained so many. I think we're still housed within a Cool Hand Luke parody.

Now, the word snake was in the script. And they're like, OK, we have a guy with a snake on his arm as a prisoner. Let's just use him. But certain writers are committed to his name being jailbird especially george meyer so uh there are some later episodes in which he is called jailbird despite decades of him being snake that's just being a jerk that's just literally like no that's it's in my script i don't care he's always been jailbird to me i never signed off on snake i wasn't on that episode it's like how jim starlin with thanos comic uh did his own stories where he's like no my thanos wouldn't

lose to kazar that was a fake thanos in that other car it's the retconning of that type of thing jim starlin famously easy to work with that's why he's his own artist on most things now and i love jim starlin this is neither here nor there yeah lisa's line of you're living proof that the revolving door prison system works again that's like ah boy even mainstream liberal thinking was prisons are too nice they're too nice to people and just to put this in time during this episode airing is the rodney king trial like that's happening the verdict and the stuff that happens after that verdict is just about a week away from when this aired so wow yeah just to give extra context to these jokes of boy people leave prison too soon and it's to me

when is a jolton joe biden's beautiful crime bill that's got to be pretty close to around here you know we're just two years after his sponsorship of the cartoon all-stars to the rescue yeah he was too busy crafting that little miracle to work on the crime bill he showed at the strom thurman right yes yeah strom thurman was there he watched alph and garfield hang out but yes there's also another great bit of to to show that Selma's giggling like a schoolgirl, like her little like, that's a great joke. This is when Bob does something shocking.

Selma, I've never seen you so happy, giggling like a schoolgirl. I've got to admit it, Selma. He's a once in a lifetime catch. Yes, I hope the police are saying that as well. I can't believe you guys. This man framed Krusty the Clown. Bart!

Indeed I did. And I'd like to thank you for catching me, Bart. You seized the wheel of my slowboat to hell and pointed it straight towards the sunny shores of Selma. Hear, hear. Selma, would you mind if I did something bold and shocking in front of your family? All right, but no tongues. Although kissing you would be like kissing some divine ashtray.

That's not what I had in mind. Selma, will you marry me? Don't be a fool, Aunt Selma. That man is scum. Then call me Mrs. Scum. It's so great that you can tell Bob is masking his rage over having to be with this woman, but he's so eloquent that no one picks up on it with comments like that divine ashtray thing. He's full of passive aggressive disses to her. He is so velvety tongue that nobody's mad about it they're like oh what a smart guy it's actually interesting

thinking about homer i guess they didn't have enough time for it but this is probably the nicest he is to patty and selma like he does not jump in he says here here when bob celebrates selma as opposed to saying like that's you buddy or whatever another homer kind of a thing legend of the dog-faced woman kind of a scenario bob is just that charming i guess yeah and then once homer finds out about hors d'oeuvres well right he's not gonna argue against his wedding i was trying to think the meanest he is in this episode is when march says now i know we're all excited to meet selma's new boyfriend and albert goes and rolls his eyes that's as mean as it gets so everybody's convinced with bart and then we come back from commercial break we have returned to the happy sumo this is where graining gave his note on like be careful and uh yeah originally they wanted to

be don't go breaking my heart the elton john kiki d song but they couldn't clear it they said that they tried to get kiki D and they couldn't find her. So now you know what? I'm still kicking myself. My husband and I had plans to go to Elton John's final show in Los Angeles, but unfortunately the new job he got meant we couldn't make it. So we saw him in San Francisco and it was still great, but we knew they'd have a cooler stuff for the final Los Angeles show show and it included kiki d made a surprise unplanned appearance and sang don't go breaking my heart live on stage with him yeah i think he's coming back honestly his farewell tour still has about i think at least another 12 months of stuff

everywhere but america okay yeah so book your tickets now folks so instead of that song we have something stupid i did a bit of research about this song and i was like all right who does the popular version and i looked it up it says frank sinatra and his daughter nancy sinatra and then i was like well this is weird it's a love song but it's a father and daughter singing and then nancy sinatra is on record saying quote some people call something stupid the incest song, which I think is, well, very sweet. I think her tongue was firmly in her cheek, Henry. Okay, all right, man.

I mean, these Italian families are close, man. Hey, another Sinatra reference is coming up very soon. I know I stand in line until I think you have the time to spend an evening with me. And if we go someplace to dance, I know that there's a chance you won't be leaving with me. Then afterwards we drop into a quiet little place and have a drink or two and then i go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like i love you you know i'm glad they use this stupid weird i mean it also adds an extra layer to this that bob and selma are singing a father-daughter love song but in a loving way it makes it more weird too well it was never intended to be a father-daughter love song, but in a loving way, it makes it more weird, too. Well, it was never intended to be a father-daughter love song.

They were just sung by a father and daughter. I'm glad it's this song instead of Don't Go Breaking My Heart. I feel like it's more played out. You hear it more places. Once it has been covered by Miss Piggy with Elton John, it's like, your parody's not going to be better. Kelsey Grammer crushes it. It's just hitting every single syllable perfectly

i wonder how this is a bit more not somber isn't the right word it's less peppy than don't go breaking my heart which i think wouldn't have lent as well to grammar's voice or the sideshow bob character it's also a very good juxtaposition to have kelsey grammar singing in his beautiful voice and then julie cavner who never thought she'd be singing in this showmer singing in his beautiful voice. And then Julie Kavner, who never thought she'd be singing in this show, singing in this crazy voice next to him. I wonder if it's easier to sing with Selma in her deeper voice than Marge in her higher voice. I hope it's at least a little easier on her voice.

Though, as she said on the commentary, it doesn't affect her at all. She's just fine. Yeah, we have some fun little love scenes here. The Blinky in the water as they're doing a paddle boat. Footprints on the beach with his giant feet a skipping scene intentionally meant to be a sequel to the land of chocolate homer skipping bit which is really great and okay here's something else that like this was a dirtier slightly dirtier joke in the storyboard that's what i assumed henry dropped the truth on us so yes it's all about framing because the joke is you see selma she is in ecstasy and then the camera pulls back she's getting a foot rub in the original framing she is laid down on the bed and you see her head

only and her ecstasy and the camera pans down her body you are supposed to think oral is happening there and then it's the reveal of the rubbing feet you know i'm surprised they couldn't do that because in war of the simpsons they did a similar joke in which homer sends bart to bed bart says you can't have any fun in bed and then homer has a dream sequence remembering something we see his upper half and he's moaning and then we pull out to see he's holding a sandwich but you don't see his lower half so oral sex is being implied there and i only got that upon this recent viewing if i hadn't seen the storyboards i would have been like oh that's what you're supposed to take from that i think a sensor made them not frame it differently i think if you just zoom in it could all just be done in the post-production editing yeah just zoom in more

on selma's face on the pan out it works better but yeah we need to be a little clearer that we're not having sex really i always remember this from that film is not yet rated movie about american ratings board could be one of those things where like american censors they are more offended by feminine pleasure than male pleasure as well so could also be that well it's just scary to imagine a woman's orgasm obviously all the people rating it have never seen it before so they're just like what is this thing our founding fathers had no idea or i should say the mythical female orgasm i don't know yeah i've never seen it personally so it's all made up if you ask me she's faking it wow we're just a couple episodes away from that yeah yeah then we see mole man also this is a

sequel joke to principal charming because selma has experience with all of her previous dates in this episode actually here she's really nice to mole man and lets him drive even though he's blind and uh graining even on the storyboards he's like don't make him more small and freakish than previous show he's very defensive about mole man he doesn't like mole man at least i think mole man grew on him as he grew on all of us before he was known as mole man all right and now it's time for the longest explanation of a background well thank you once again for joining us steve for another tangent no i'm excited as we talk about the jerry lewis mda labor day telethon now steve was this a part of your life when you were

like a little kid yes we would watch these i remember at least watching one or two but it was something that was definitely like my experience with it never outshone how much pop culture was talking about it or how much pop culture would love to make fun of jerry lewis for this thing you know what i mean we'll explain what it is in a second here but this confused me as a kid because i had never seen a jerry lewis movie they weren't really in circulation i still really haven't seen one and my parents would watch it my grandma would watch like oh jerry lewis the funniest guy you've ever seen his movies were falling down in the aisles and then you see this like sweaty mawkish man singing ballads yes yeah being very serious

there was like cognitive dissonance i'm like he's the funniest guy you've ever seen you know i barely watched the telethons because i was born on labor day of 1982 and my birthday is always either on or around labor day so i'm doing birthday stuff that weekend. I'm not paying attention to the telethon on TV. This had a big footprint in pop culture because the Jerry Lewis MDA telethon, that stands for Muscular Dystrophy Association, a great cause, to be fair. But there's some things worth making fun of.

This ran from 66 until 2010. It ran for up to 22 hours, and the highlight was watching Jerry Lewis get increasingly sweaty and melodramatic and sleep deprived and this always ended with him singing you'll never walk alone often dragging one of the sufferers of this disability onto stage with his kids yes one of jerry's kids and you know you watch barney was an insult so was like oh you're one of jerry's kids that was another insult yes yes i feel like also there was a really mean in loving color sketch about this one i'm almost positive i haven't watched

it in 30 years but like thinking back i'm like i'm like oh yeah someone's playing one of the kids that it's like oh god maybe probably jim carrey which is more than likely yes could be he was handyman and i will say back Mystery Science Theater, if you're a Mystery Science Theater fan, the Satellite of Love is probably named after a reference to this in which Jerry would say, oh, this is being beamed out to you through the satellite of love.

And yes, there's a Lou Reed song called that but it's probably based on this because this is such embedded in the mind of boomers, Gen Xers and even us. And again, this long telethon that would air every year for decades, it also has a bigger impact when there's four channels on television. And like you said, Jerry Lewis stopped appearing in movies at a certain point in time. Basically, he did like one movie a decade for the rest of his life,

but he'd always be on this thing. You'd always see Jerry Lewis on this. And you'd also have all of his aging alongside him slowly dying off hollywood pals appearing on it too you're like oh so that's what happened to like ed mcbann or whatever he was in a talk show with elf yeah that's what happened to him this is a reference that is very specific oh and also they're very careful that this is a thing for children suffering from motion sickness. So they are not mocking. That was a big deal for Groening on the notes of like, do not mock people with muscular dystrophy or any other serious disease. reunion at this telethon in 1976 and if you need a refresher martin lewis wore the hottest comedy act of the 50s they went on to be in 16 movies together over time dean martin a hateful drunk

was getting very mad about jerry lewis getting all the attention all the best lines you know he was the star essentially increasingly fraught their relationship was and then at the end of shooting of their last movie they just never spoke again personally for 20 years and suddenly at this telethon frank sinatra he's invited he's planned to be there he's got a special guest and i've never watched this clip until now and i thought oh it must have been very heartwarming and i'm sure it was a huge moment for boomers and like wow this comedy team being reunited well i did know that being a drunk was dean martin's kind of persona being like a lovable drunk. In this clip, he is uncomfortably drunk.

It's an uncomfortable scene and it makes me feel bad. And it feels like more a prank on a drunk person than an actual sincere reuniting of this comedy team because Jerry Lewis is looking at him like, you fucking mess. You're here and you have no idea. You're never going to remember this.

It just feels like he's trying to get through it. And then Frank Sinatra wants to sing a duet with Dean and he cannot fucking do it. He is just lost. It's a sad scene. But then I look at the YouTube comments. No one's mentioning that. They're like, wow, such great performers. They're on the stage together.

Oh, such love in their eyes. Oh, it's amazing. But to me, a jaded little millennial, I just see a sad drunken man about to just, on the last legs of his life, basically. He's drunker than you're allowed to be on television. I mean, like,

and you can be a little buzzed for the Oscars, you know what I mean? You'll see somebody like, oh, that someone's a little out there. But like, no, that is, that's 60s drunk. You have to wake up real early

to get going. Yeah, Dean Martin is like 1.30 a. halloween drunk and you're about 23 years old it is so uncomfortable i agree i'd never watched the whole thing until bob linked me to it because i'd only seen it in jerry lewis biography or retrospective on his career where they say and then of course me and dean we did meet up together again and they show like four seconds from this i watched jerry lewis talk about this it was a year after dean martin died on the larry king show and he was like and it was so sweet and dean came to my turf and that showed a lot of respect and i love seeing him and then he played two seconds of it and then he's like

it was great i miss him but yes when you actually hear it, I have a clip here. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you captured this, but Frank Sinatra's like, get a room, you fucking homos. Basically, he makes a homophobic joke about them hugging each other. Here's some more extra context to this. I don't know where it was regularly done, but this year's, in 76, MDA Telethon was done in Las Vegas. So that's why everybody's extra fucked up.

He's Las Vegas drunk. Yeah. Holy crap. So here's the clip. You know, it seems like we haven't seen each other for 20 years. Well, you know, there was all those rumors about our breaking up. And then when I started the show and you weren't here, I believed it. I'll show you guys to your room.

If you like, the lights are out upstairs. So follow me. He drinks a lot, this kid. So, you working? I work six weeks a year at the Megum. The Megum.

And six days I do a roast. And would you excuse us a minute? Okay. I had an extra 40 seconds. I was like, I'm cringing. You got to see it, folks. Very uncomfortable. This is why characters like Barney were created.

People from this generation were used to seeing drunk celebrities on TV. Yes. And that Vegas context helped me more because he's like there's six weeks a year at the megum he means the mgm yeah but he's like pointing he's like you know on the street that one megaman six weeks a year you know what's extra funny is i see this clip first and then last night i looked up there was a 40th anniversary article of it happening in Vanity Fair in 2016, talking to basically the few remaining living people who were involved in it and the children of Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis. And not once is drinking mentioned at all. And none of this, they're just like, oh, it was so beautiful.

What a great. They do frame it though, as Frank Sinatra playing a prank on basically both of them on live tv and then also frank sinatra hid dean martin in ed mcmahon's dressing room that's how they got away with it hi yo and then also peter bogdanovich was there and after the show he was like guys i'm gonna do a reunion movie with you. I can do it. It all fell apart. It never happened. Could Dean Martin actually film a film in like 1982? Like, no, no. You need to be able to speak to do that. Even in Cannonball Run, it's like, all right, five minutes.

He sits in the car the whole time. Like he doesn't have to act. So anyway, all of that is because they parody that directly in this episode of the simpsons because the young people who saw this major moment in 1976 grew up to be writers on the simpsons and never forgot this moment and i feel like it was so remembered by kids of then because it was just a playground tale you didn't tape it off tv maybe the news would replay it but pretty much it just grew in its story of like isn't it amazing they were friends again and also they never hung out again after that it's like they maybe saw each other like two birthdays the rest of their lives according to that vanity fair piece i think that

too it makes crusty jerry lewis which always works yeah yeah yeah and it makes sideshow bob dean martin where he's pretending to he's like hey we're all friends again when actually he hates that he's starting to be made fun of again by Jerry Lewis. In Bob's case, kicked in the butt in front of everybody. The Crustala and Bob reconnect. And now, a man who needs no introduction, the chairman of the company, you know who I'm talking about. Get out here, you coon bob.

Crustala, there's an old friend backstage who wants to say hello huh what i can't believe it they've been shooting for years come here you oh you old clown this guy is a national treasure that jerk i got to replace you he isn't fit to hold your slide whistle. All I can be is myself. Krusty, can you ever forgive me for framing you and putting you in jail? Hey, if they ever open the books on this telethon, I'm right back

in there. That sideshow Bob is a no-good showbiz phony. Come on, Bart. If Krusty can find it in his heart to forgive him, surely you can too. Oh, Krusty, I can't tell you how much I miss this. It's so funny how Krusty is such a hack that his act is just kicking a man in the ass very hard. I'm going to pull on your pants, kick you.

That's all he's got. That's their one-two punch, yeah. Krusty is a bully of comedy. It's also, as a kid... How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner, and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there.

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company and it's clearly a sinatra thing flew over my head like i barely knew who frank sinatra was actually as a kid growing up i would see the looney tunes making fun of young frank sinatra and my mom had to tell me like no you know that old guy on tv that's who they're making fun of in those looney tunes well you know earlier we talked about the female orgasm i was just thinking about those cartoons where they would get the frank sinatra chicken to sing and the female chicken would just explode with eggs right yes oh frankie back in the 30s they knew and that's why the men hated frank sinatra because he was making all these ladies swoon yeah him being like a pretty boy has just always been

like and i mean like he's an attractive young man when you look at him but it's just it always strikes me as like that's an odd fit like he was like a timothy chalamet type but he was in the new jersey mafia essentially is what we're getting at you know in 1943 they didn't know what to do with the timothy chalamet it's handed to them like what the fuck is said into war is that the first we were hearing from sideshow mel like his actual voice yes yes with a butt yes with a butt so what he's saying in radio bart as a parody of bruce springsteen and we are the world this is the first time we hear him talk but it is the same voice yeah but it's essentially dan castaneda admittedly doing a kelsey grammar impression i love it sad is like all i can be is myself it's so sad and again sycha mel a beloved

member of the simpsons family but bob is happy to be abused, or at least he pretends that. And even Lisa, even Lisa's fooled if you heard there. So then we cut to them planning the wedding in the Simpsons kitchen. That's how Bart can walk in and hear all of these details. Honestly, Marge, why is she so obsessed with purity? Let Selma wear white on her wedding day, man. Come on, it's the 90s, as we love to say in the 90s. It's the 90s. Let it go.

Well, the one good thing Selma gets out of this is losing her virginity at 41. It's so funny. There's a dirty joke at the end of this episode about her getting laid. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, Bart's listening into all of it. Homer mentions how much he loves cocktail weenies. He also had Swedish meatballs to it. So this fits in with the Homer love of pork chops in that it's cheap crap.

Comes out of a can usually, right? He describes it as they taste as good as they look about cocktail weenies. And of course, you have brother and a ketchup. What a great line. I am exactly Homer Simpson here. Although not cocktail weenies. You know, I'll be honest. I don't like them raw dogged.

I appreciate needs to be a firm pig in a blanket. Now we're talking and that I could eat 40 to 60 of those and then hate myself. But I can do it. You see, these days it's been killed by the slider. Yeah, the slider. The slider is taking over wedding food like little cupcakes. Cupcakes. I was going to say cupcakes, very popular.

I was at my mom's second wedding, which obviously I didn't attend her first one. I wasn't born yet. A likely story. And of course, a trencherman is a person who eats in a specified manner, typically heartily, according to Webster's, which obviously is a fancy way of calling someone fat, which is what Bob is very pissed off in this. He's barely masking it with fancy words. I love the I've already spent the eight out of ten dollars that the prison gave me.

So here's the big clue. This, though, is the big change also from the storyboard. One, I said it before, but the reason she says she's rich is from those lawsuits. But two, she did not lose it from a bottle rocket she says that a few years ago she entered into a jalapeno eating contest and lost her sense of taste and smell that way okay so bottle rocket's funnier i think it's funnier too yeah for sure though it makes me sadder to know that she's spent the last 40 years of her life not being able to taste or smell anything i kind of prefer it if it's like oh if it's only been the last 40 years of her life not being able to taste or smell anything i kind of

prefer it if it's like oh if it's only been the last few years it's not as tragic though i guess we see with patty that even if she had her sense of taste and smell she'd be just as angry and mean anyway so and the cigarettes would dull everything else out anyway your palate is a bit dulled by that much smoking i love too that bob says your less tangible qualities like he can't name something actually that he would love about her it is just for money and here's another big cut from the storyboards while bob is comforting her bart is looking at him and bob turns into a snake it's like the grim reaper version he has later yeah silverman mentions that i think he misremembers it as actually being in the episode still maybe Maybe it got animated and cut, but it's definitely there on the storyboards.

Then we learn for the first time Bob's last name, Mrs. Bob Terwilliger. It'll not be until Sideshow Bob Roberts when we learn his middle name. Like many things in The Simpsons named after a street in Portland, I've been on Terwilliger Street. Wow. They're all there. Lovejoy, Flanders, Kearney. Go to Portland.

You'll find all the Simpson Streets there. They're being driven around in a handsome cab by previous Selma date Barney Gumbel. I do love the British accent he affects. Yes. Sure thing, mom. Which he does, which is fantastic. Don't spare the whip. Yes.

Yeah. So you mentioned this, Henry, that Barney has dated Selma before. You can't remember this but they were on a date in principal charming at moe's but we have selma saying she invested in mace but patty is the one who maced barney twice in war of the simpsons and saturdays of thunder so she was the macing character of the two but i like how in these first three seasons barney patty and selma have all these connections that are just lost. They're a real trio. Well, yeah, you'd imagine they'd be at the same New Year's Eve party a couple of times.

You know what I mean? Homer has Barney there. Patty and Selma, things get a little... They're on the same couch. Who knows what's going to happen? This also is a great clue that Patty can't smell is because they are in a handsome cab and no one is retching from the horse. I've never ridden in one. They're pretty regular in your neck of the woods.

Yeah, I never have either because it's just such a cruel and sad endeavor but when you approach central park which i do you know well once or twice a year half a block away you can smell them it's just here is the horse shit and i have to walk past this to get into this beautiful park and i will never be in a hansom cab maybe that seinfeld episode about hansom cab really turned off a generation too and the macgyver stuff came in in homer alone right when bart and lisa were with patty and selma richard dean anderson will be my dreams tonight one of them said yeah yeah macgyver was just one of the many weird things they have like kamado and mr pibb and tongue sandwiches and all that but this

time they're like you know what we said macgyver in that one let's just go all the way macgyver's their favorite show we said it before macgyver is basically over at this point so it'll be over in like six weeks yeah so they really hit on it too late because it had been on since like 86 or something it had been on for a while yeah i'm just curious that macgyver reboot made it no it actually is on its like fifth season oh yeah it's over it's 2016 to 2021 it wrapped up that fucking crazy it had probably almost as many episodes as regular macgyver it's crazy yeah it messed me up when i was trying to find because i wanted to see what night of the week did macgyver air was it against the simpsons it was normally a saturday or sunday night show but my first search was like oh okay it aired on that wait 2022 oh no okay i mean it's like there were eight million

episodes of hawaii 50 show and i totally forget that too yeah getting older is forgetting that shows are on tv now and forgetting that old people watch television oh yeah steve i mean you do mel rowe 210 your side show for we hate movies you cover melrose place on 90210 doesn't that always interfere with your searching for 90210 that i think there's two reboots yes the full-on reboot of it's 20 years later and like we have like i think it's jackie's kid is the hero of the story and blah blah blah and like some friends that we remember might stop by to wish us well from the first series and then we have that like weird one season which happened months after luke perry died of all the original cast doing a meta kind of like oh are we gonna do a reboot of the show kind of a thing that existed for only one season again i think perry

death definitely hurt that show specifically and you know if you're missing luke perry though his son doing great work in all elite wrestling you said no wrestling henry here it comes i'm sorry but yeah you know luke perry reminded me i forget about it i just went to a pay-per-view event where one of the major matches was jack perry this is going to sound very morbid to explain it context free it was a casket match where he buries alive his opponent because his opponent insulted his dead father luke perry too many times he's like i'm gonna bury you too soon i would be like hey man can we not make that part of our characters like can we just do like i don't

know my haircut where i'm from he's just as hot as luke perry was that jack perry they were just so vicious to these abc shows on this episode You know what sucks? Dinosaurs. Also, fuck MacGyver. And I mean, we really go knives out for MacGyver here. And again, grammar just fucking kills it. It's just him doing this whole bit. And the sarcasm is my favorite part that wasn't poorly written. Yes. Sideshow Bob hates MacGyver in our next clip.

Tomorrow will be Mr. and Mrs. Bob Terwilliger. Isn't it grand? Hey, Bob. Give some of that honey this way. Holy free holies! We've got ten minutes till MacGyver. Driver, here's a fin. Get me home and don't spare the whip.

Whatever you say, Mom. What did I miss? MacGyver was wearing a tank top. Dang. Why, Selma, I thought I was the only man in your life. Sit down and shut up. Thank you, Senor MacGyver. You've saved our village.

Don't thank me. Thank the moon's gravitational pull. That MacGyver's a genius. First of all, he's not a genius. He's an actor. And second, he's not much of an actor. You're lying. You're lying! No, Selma, this is lying.

That was a well-plotted piece of non-claptrap that never made me want to retch. No! He was so cruel the things he said they're just not true that's so great that she's having this reaction after like you know that he said mean things about her but she's like it's just true about macgyver now i will say occasionally i have been this sensitive about pro wrestling if my husband didn't like something on pro wrestling i've been a little defensive did you kick an

ottoman across the room like selma does no no i didn't do that but i love bob's acting like when he's tapping that wasn't us making noise on it it was the tapping of his fingers like when it was gonna be over yeah oh god and what a great line of bad writing i think the moon's gravitational pull like which i guess means that the tides helped save the day in some way in the plot of the episode i mean despite them making fun of richard dean anderson's acting abilities he would come to the show in season 17 playing himself basically patty and selma kidnap him from a stargate convention yeah steven did you ever check out that stargate series he was on i never did i've told the story a couple

of times i had a friend of the family like it was a big family function and like he asked me that question and i said no and the right answer is like oh cool you should probably check it out he proceeded to tell me six seasons of stories for about an hour and a half while we were kind of playing pool. And I'm like, this is still going on. You know, Steve, I had a similar experience with a Stargate fan. I was trying to date.

I was getting to know this woman in college and, you know, just chatting and stuff, meeting at a bar a few times. And then she brought up Stargate and she would talk about it a bunch. And I'm like, I don't know if I want to get involved with this. And then eventually she ghosted me and I was like, okay.

You were going to have to watch all of the Stargate tapes with her. And there were DVDs. I didn't go to college in 1993. Okay. Stargate was another one I never touched. And I like the movie Stargate just fine. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

So, okay. All right. So Sideshow Bob definitely hates MacGyver, that he's not acting here. But is him not suppressing his hatred of MacGyver part of his plan? Like when he sees that they smoke when the episode's over, this is how he creates his alibi. He says, okay, then I'll just take a walk while you're on MacGyver, thus creating his alibi. And he notices that she lights a cigarette after MacGyver, thus the murder weapon. I think Homer even gives him the idea for how to have an alibi unwittingly, of course.

I think it's funnier if it's read as Sideshow Bob is in the middle of this murder plot, but cannot suppress how much he hates MacGyver. The right move is like, oh, it's great, you know, but not for me. You watch it by yourself. They almost break up because he can't stand the poor writing and the poor acting. It's the one thing

he can't hold back. He can hold back how much he hates Bart even. Yes, he could have sex with her even if he doesn't want to, but he cannot watch MacGyver. In 2023, he could just look at his phone

the entire time, right? Yes. Exactly, yeah. That's what my husband does sometimes during pro wrestling. My husband loves pro wrestling, but not as much as me. It it sounds like he doesn't henry not as much as me i do also like homer's description of what makes a happy marriage it's like well she watches something non-violent i just leave get drunk and come home wanting sex like it's a great progression it's like oh you

just leave you go for a walk like oh that's nice and then it's like you go to the bar you're drunk you come back and now she's ready to go it's like yeah that's fine the one line that hits with a thud is bart's tonto reference where it is so lost to time now but it's him imitating tonto from the lone ranger where the bad medicine thing oh yes i tried looking for clips where tonto the character the Native American friend of the Lone Ranger. I tried watching a Lone Ranger episode that's on YouTube, bored the shit out of me. And like, you can see why kids of the time remember Tonto. He's the only interesting guy.

But it was comedians who grew up with it. They would do jokes of Tonto no like, blank play, blah, blah, and something after. Yeah. And in this case, Bart no like bad medicine. I think what threw you off is there's an episode called Bad Medicine of the Lone Ranger, which just destroys the SEO for you trying to find Tonto saying that. I blame the remaining Lone Ranger fandom that doesn't transcribe these episodes that I could find the script for it.

He's only 95 years old, Henry. You can't put that much on that poor man you know it was only recently thanks to comic books that i learned that lone ranger and the green hornet are continuity connected they're in the same universe oh the lone ranger is like the ancestor of the green hornet it's what inspires the green hornet to become the green hornet i learned it from the recent uh and by recent i mean i guess like 10 years ago mark wade written reboot of it which if you're gonna read any green hornet comics those are the ones to read i dread this but i feel like at some point there will be a disney plus lone ranger series if they gave us a willow series there's no stopping them yeah any ip they have they'll skin that cat and it's much more profitable to have a series than a movie.

They tried it with the Tonto movie, and I think they realized, like, okay, this costs too much, but if we just put people in the volume and put on a Lone Ranger mask, and also actually hire someone of Native American background instead of a drunk guy who says he has Native American history. He said his 23and he was in the mail oh that fucking guy the wedding is here lisa is jealous that maggie is the flower girl because she keeps falling down it's a cute little scene though not in my taped version so it always feels

new to me every time i watch it on the dvd and yeah it's an interesting move for lisa to be bitter about this i like it i like her and maggie don't have enough competition as sisters yes and here's another crazy thing for the boards there's not even a joke for it but homer is the man giving away selma in the boards like he's the one walking her down the aisle oh i guess it's because their dad is dead so that makes sense yeah and then the grim if you check on the dvds too there's some fun prelim art of silverman designing the grim reaper version of bob as he says i do as a kid i thought that they were gonna interrupt their wedding i was like oh well they're not gonna actually get

married they're like oh they did look at that it looks really similar to the grim reaper you see in the homer goes to hell as the judge it It's a very similar, like skinny faced kind of design. Yeah, they're both Silverman episodes, right? Right, right. Yeah, both Silverman directed. Does that make sense? So then we, I guess this happens in a lot of movies,

a cut on a champagne cork popping. Isn't that a Godfather thing? Isn't that from Godfather? Possibly. Yeah, possibly. It feels vaguely Godfather to me. So this next scene is the wedding reception and they're not in the Simpsons timeline in which they're comfortable with just filling the room Possibly. Yeah, possibly. It feels vaguely Godfather to me. So this next scene is the wedding reception,

and they're not in the Simpsons timeline in which they're comfortable with just filling the room with all of our friends, like Sideshow Mel is there and Krusty. Well, Krusty is there, but let's say Dr. Hibbert. Yeah. You know, just like your standard stock Springfield character. So they're like, who would be here? And it's funny, we get, yeah, Krusty, of course,

but also Moe and Barney are invited. Their only joke is just drinking yeah yeah it is interesting how considered it is you know what i mean i think it's considered also with how they film it with march as a camera you know which we're actually going to reference in a couple minutes anyway it's going to be crucial to the plot the camera is here we're like going through it we you know crusty say something funny for the camera 12 inch pianist know, it's very movie like. It was really helpful for filmmakers when the personal video camera existed of like, oh,

you can just have people give testimonials at things now because everybody has VCR and now even easier to film everything with your phone. I love the overhead shot of Homer eating from all of the trays at once. They're all parked in front of him.

And also the Larry Davis experience is back from another silverman co-directed episode some enchanted evening patty is disgusted at the idea of like well i'm alone but at least it could be worse i could be with homer which is funny now because currently on the show her long-term partner evelyn is written to be a homer type a real mega slob lesbo played by fortune feimster i like the evelyn episodes it's fun biggest petty not aware of her sexuality or deeply closeted deeply closeted yeah yeah yeah also it's funny too to hear aljean on the commentary have to talk about his he makes sure to say from my wedding my first wedding this bit with crusty future simpsons writer tom gamill was at aljean's wedding gary sh Gamble was at Al Jean's wedding Gary Shanling was

there because I would bet Al Jean was writing on it's the Gary Shanling show at the time and Tom Gamble came up to him with a camera and said hey do something funny Gary and he wasn't as funny as Krusty in this I mean that has to really suck to be a Gary Shanling at any wedding of just you're gonna have somebody come up to you like hey funny man come on make me laugh i need a joke when someone asks me to tell them a joke because i just don't have any in my back pocket yeah boy i gotta save one of those too especially if you're a comedy podcaster that's why whenever i'm in an uber especially if we're on the tour or something i'll just be like i'm here for a wedding just meeting some friends from out of

town that's the way to do that see that's why it takes like five questions deep before i should head it off in the past of that wedding thing in the driver conversation world i'm not one of those people who's like never talk to me no of course not but if they ask like so what do you do my first thing is like a website job yeah yeah yeah if they keep going for five more questions and i'm like it's a podcast all right oh what is it i'll look it up i'm like yeah i'm sure you will you have to go down the conversation tree like it's firework or something this is when bob reveals his evil plans on the advice of my new husband i've decided to give up smoking.

Except for after meals and after MacGyver. Why, Selma dear, you'll bury us all. Chief Wiggum, you've been around. You don't trust Sideshow Bob, do you? Ah, lighten up, son. If he was gonna commit a crime, would he have invited the number one cop in town? Now, where did I

put my gun? Oh, yeah. I set it down when I got a piece of cake. Yeah! Woo-hoo! I don't know what to say. Just tell me what you know I want to hear. I'm dying of jealousy.

Thank you. Goodbye! That's right, dear. Enjoy your rest. The wedding was very tough on you. And the honeymoon is going to be... murder. yeah i now notice that they're following the pattern of the first sideshow bob episode two act two ends with the evil laughter of sideshow bob revealing his secret plan all along so

following a pattern here you think that he's doing this to help selma but it's right before the clip even then when trying to give his nice speech to her he still says what her weight is to all of her family and her age they're right it's her weight and age 168 pounds of clay and made a woman it's not accidentally right it's just him being passive-aggressive letting out his anger and also of course in the real world kelsey gramer has he's gone through a lot of wives that's for sure gone through they all survived yes yeah i don't think three of them would weigh 168 pounds honestly that's true yeah and steve up front you were

mentioning the lighting this scene especially them in the car like the lighting is very odd because they're lit by you know the interior of the car the lights that are on and then as he starts laughing the lighting changes. It's very sophisticated for TV animation. It's very effective, too. Just something that you don't see a lot anymore as things become more computerized and so quick, quick, quick, quick, quick. It's considered.

There's a consideration to how will this lighting affect the scene. And I love the reveal that his license plate is I hate Marth to show he's still evil. No one noticed that at the wedding god i also like when this all came together for me now i was like oh yeah sideshow bob hates selma so much that he can't even wait like a month into their wedding he's like you know what during the honeymoon i gotta kill this lady and honestly if he could have had the honeymoon be the night macgyver aired it would have killed her that night but it seems to be like three or four days into the honeymoon since they can send a videotape from where they are yeah I was actually doing the timeline for the first time because one like nagging thing about this episode is like how do they have time to send a videotape back to the

Simpsons the timeline is MacGyver airs the wedding is the next day and then that means there's basically six days before selma smokes that faded cigarette so i think there's enough time if that resort has a post office to get a tape back to the simpsons but it's very odd to send a vacation tape as your vacation is in progress right i guess if you're as vain as patty is about having world's greatest husband you want to rub it in everybody's face you'll next day that shit shit. You make sure that Patty also has a copy. And there is a sign late in the episode that for this episode, Shelbyville is only 34 miles away.

So they actually can drive there within an hour. So next day would come the next day. That sign is very funny because it's in the neighbor's yard across the street. That's true. Welcome to our video honeymoon. We're using the video camera Cousin Doc gave us and the video cassette Homer gave us. Hey, and after we watch this, we can tape over it. There's Shelbyville Falls, Rolling Rock, and here's another breathtaking sight.

My brand new hubby. I wanted a room with a fireplace, you brainless luggage monkey. Like the one in your brochure. Oh, Selma dear. I was just chatting with my good friend, Dennis. Now, smile for the camera. That's a good lad. Ah, fire. Scourge of Prometheus, toaster of marshmallows,

eradicator of Deadwood. Oh, Selma, dear you and your little camera, what do you say we shut it off for a while? And make love? I suppose so. Oh, that's sweet. Why would Sideshow Bob go so nuts over a fireplace? Because he wants his honeymoon to be romantic.

Romantic? With Aunt Selma? I guess you're just too young to understand. Hmm. And I also love that Homer gifted them a VHS tape. And Homer's just like, we'll tape right over it. Like, basically just got my tape back. Hey, use SLP mode on that.

Oh, definitely, dude. Thanks to Ant Dot for the camera and for Homer for the videotape. Oh, and her distorted face when she's doing basically a selfie with her VHS camera. Oh, so good. I think my brain is ruined

because I was like, is this sort of based on the wedding suite in Superman 2 with the fireplace? But that's just my brain wanting everything to be a little bit about Superman 2. It is a gorgeous suite though man and when i looked i was like boy the nicest hotel room i stayed in with my husband didn't have a view of the waterfall like that is like the presidential suite selma really is throwing the money around here you know what apparently it's

brad bird who laid it out him slapping around did his so good i was just talking to my friend he like flips it up a little bit god oh love it love it bob sorry i feel weird keep saying and bob did this yeah i am also an attempted murderer yeah so you did sideshow bob is staring at the fire and saying like eradicator of deadwood like oh seltman your camera like that's the only reason he has sex with her because she will stop filming him if they have sex that's the only reason they do it yeah and the knock a cavity out was really a surprise to me this time around i was like that is a dirty joke he is going for it and i guess those feet uh let you know what's going on down there.

The framing of that shot is hilarious because, you know, obviously we don't see sex. The next shot opens in an empty bathroom. The camera's on the floor. The door slams open and Bob comes in, like basically giving himself a hobo bath. And we just see like Selma's feet sticking out from the room. But if you look, there's a mirror above the ceiling. You can see Selma in that mirror. Right. Oh, wow. Oh, my God. Man, that's an even fancier thing. Henry's a mirror above the ceiling you can see selma in that mirror right oh wow oh my god man that's an even fancier thing henry a mirror in the ceiling is not fancy oh it's slutty i think it's the height of fanciness yeah i've never had that

in a hotel room if you see a mirror on the ceiling definitely sleep on the comforter that's the most i like too that bob had only a second to pull his underpants up just to scrub himself down. Even murder has its ugly side. Al Jean or one of the guys on the commentary said they felt this was a bit unfair. He probably at least enjoyed having sex. You would think, right? How disgusting is Selma? We're very defensive of that Selma is someone you would want to have sex with.

I don't think she's an ugly beast or whatever, but yeah. Oh, she doesn't shave her legs. Gross. I was curious about this one. I was about to say that I'm sure that the voice is doing it for somebody. And that reminded me, of course, of Simpsons porn. In the world of Simpsons porn, which I do not know about, aside from what has been thrown my way on the sideboard of Pornhub I've never seen Patty

and Selma mentioned there but I'm curious if they ever get up to things you know Steve I've traveled down many roads but never have I seen Patty and or Selma involved in any sort of trysts okay just curious mm-hmm I'm sure if we wanted to find it we could yes I'm sure it would take probably five seconds but again i don't feel like whoever had the simpsons porn pages aren't paying as much as they used to for the placement on the sites that i would never go to of course no not at all well also they don't show up as much on the gay tabs i've heard it's been just flanders stupid sexy flanders should be lenny and carl only lenny and carl this is an audio i think

this is the funniest audio joke in the episode right here oh and it also starts with sideshow bob giving the shutter that will be reused to perfection a year later one of my fillings fell out. Even murder has its ugly side. Bob, would you mind rubbing my feet? Ew. Darling, you make it sound like a chore. Oh, oh, good. Soon I will kill you. Son pied senti beau.

French for her foot smells lovely. Prepare to be murdered. That's Sanskrit for your toes are like perfume. That's Spanish for I am going to kill you. Say what? Why, dear, I do believe it's time for your beloved MacGyver. Oh, hey, you're right. That's Spanish for I'm going to kill you.

Say what? Apparently untouched from John VD's script. It's so good that he eventually has to say it in Spanish, which is the thing he's trying to not say, and then he just says it again. God damn. I love that entire run. And Kavner is just, just again really great at the response

the two of them together have really good acting they do yeah i also love her rush out of bed holding the blanket up just like oh i can't miss it it's so ridiculous how long it takes her to realize this and the way he walks out of the room too again to steven's point on the lighting this whole scene is amazing the angles is creeping out all of it everything is just lit by a tv in this dark room yes oh man so he leaves her to it this is when patty at the same time is very lonely and heads over to the sim home. Well, time for my walk. Don't forget to die. Ding dong.

I was feeling kind of lonely without Selma. Mind if I watch TV with you? Oh, go ahead, Patty. Tonight on Begiver, Begiver, Begiver, Begiver. Aunt Selma has one hour to live hey down in front you know it's weird the things that stick in your brain but whenever I see MacGyver I think of Harry Shearer saying MacGyver over and over again in your head yeah Bart's pronunciation of that too is is a great like cut there though of course in the flashback you'll see it's just him and Homer talking.

So, you know, hope somebody's fired for that blunder. Everyone leaves the room. It's also the same voice as McGarnacle. McGarnacle is very similar. They needed one. There's two McGarnacle appearances. They needed a third,

and it would have cemented him forever. One is audio only, too. Right. Man, he'd be right up there with mcbain he deserves it mcgarnick was just as good as mcbain i'm trying to eat lunch here is one of my favorite things in the universe slit his throat for me do it for me billy we'll get to it we'll get to it yes this is the bit where i said it's framed like a colombo opening where it's like slow and quiet. Yeah, I really appreciate how this story is told in the third act because it's like the explosion is the beginning of the third act.

Then you're like, OK, what happened? I mean, I know now because it's been 30 years and I've seen it a hundred times, but it's still compelling. God, it's framed of like pan up. It's at the top. You see her there. Camera moves down. Him turning away from it. That's Bob's mistake.

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Then I love that it's all in one shot like it would be in a great movie too of yes it was intact and then when the camera pans back up without cutting it's now the destroyed hotel room and there's so much business with the pool and you know what i mean like it's a really full lived in resort that just has and again there's no jokes there it's just like no this is atmosphere we're trying to trick the audience not really into thinking she dies but giving it a gritty texture i guess we want that edgar award really badly it's really good his two-facedness too where he goes drinking having a little drink and then going like front desk he composes himself just like gets into character as the grieving widow you know fargo ripped it ripped it off for its great scene of William H. Macy on the phone.

He's about to call him. It's Gene. It's Gene. But yeah, Sideshow Bob, he celebrates a little too early. My best laid plans have ganged aglay. Chief Wiggum, think you have room in your jail for a two-time loser? I don't know, frankly, but that never stopped us before. Bart, I must know, how did you untangle my web?

Yeah, Bart, throw us in. Well, I'd hate to tell the number one cop in town how to do his job. No, no, please. It's the only way I'll learn. Also, I forgot to mention, it's a whole psycho reference, too. Yeah, I mean, I love psycho, but I feel that 19 times out of 20 people are going to parry the shower scene. So I forgot this was a psycho parody of the detective coming to the room, spinning around the chair and seeing the Mrs.

Bates skeleton. I said it before on this podcast, but I was so lucky. Unlike so many other classic movies where the ending was spoiled for me, I did not know the ending of psycho when i first saw it as a kid oh wow wow i was like man his mom's a killer somebody's gonna stop this mom and also back to what steve was saying about the lighting again in that when bart startles bob he smacks the light bulb and that changes the lighting in the scene another expensive touch

for tv animation that requires a lot of attention to get right yeah and it's moving back and forth when bart actually does savor at the end in this description that he gives this is when we get the weird dutch angle of and tell my no when the simpsons burst through the door is a really stark interesting shot for a tv show it's a great drawing with a lot of energy it rules yeah and a great angle too bob's line of my best laid plans have gang a flag that is from the original scottish version of to a mouse by robert burns which is usually translated as the best laid schemes of mice and men go off to rye but that's how fancy the sideshowob is that he says gang aftiglay instead the scottish way of saying it also you tried to kill me i want a separation yeah still wants to give it a shot yeah yeah

we'll see where it goes psychobob seems so desperate to get that fireplace but why then it hit me the gas surely anyone would have noticed a gas leak except Aunt Selma. I permanently lost my sense of taste and smell. She happily watched her MacGyver, unaware that her room was silently filling with natural gas. All it needed to explode was a single spark.

Say, from a cigarette. I've decided to give up smoking. Except for after meals and after MacGguive her only hope was a plucky young boy and his slow-witted father dad when aunt soma lights up her cigarette at the end of mcguiver she'll be blown to kingdom come come again see as part explained it all colombo style i love the little bit with the puppets that's one of those bits that i remember really laughing at as a kid that like just sticks with

you like oh i found this really funny one so it's still funny the degradation of like going from i'll explain it to you then i'll explain what science is i'll show you the stove till we get down to puppets and he still says four times homer's getting dumber every episode of the show and he's like and i told mom and we were on our way yes It just hit me when you said it, Bob. They're like, all right, the sign for plot purposes indicating that they are that close to Shelbyville is in the front lawn across the street. Yeah. And of course, because it's John Vitti, half of the John Vitti scripts he wrote for The Simpsons references Batman 66. Yeah, writer Mr. Plow. Yes. references batman 66 yeah writer mr plow yes yeah even in his episodes of the critic when the dr

krikorian not krivorkian when he gets in his death mobile it's also a to the death mobile in that case they actually paid for the batman music here it's just alf clausen indicates it but god it's so having to explain it scene by scene i think they don't go a minute without referencing a movie or a tv show in this episode they're having so many it's really really quick with that stuff as a kid though again i missed a lot of these references never missed a batman reference if they reference adam west batman i knew Killed in syndication in my home. Always loved it. But I thought it was a serious real show and Batman was always in danger. This is when they find out why did the room explode in our fun suffocating ending. If you saved Selma, why did the room explode?

I'll fill that one. Me and the boys were all celebrating a job well done when I threw my match in the vicinity of the crime scene. Oh, right, the gas. I'll be back. You can't keep the Democrats out of the White House forever. And when they get in, I'm back on the streets with all my criminal buddies. I feel like such a fool. Well, he fooled almost everyone.

But there was one little boy who never lost his mistrust. Thanks, Mom. Now let's get out of this gas-filled hallway before we all suffocate. The laughing line that takes you out of every mystery show on tv back then yes and what bob didn't know is that democrats will get into office by imitating republicans something that would always work yep never fails never fails yeah and you know what it works so good too because after they do that then the glp is powerless they can't say that democrats aren't tough on crime yeah yeah when they get so tough on crime then the republicans go like now we can't say it you got us

now you're not dirty communist because of your really draconian crime bill no not really yeah no i mean hey we just got to see a little bit of that again i mean this happens every day in america but biden when he didn't even need to but he said he would veto that washington dc decriminalization of some things and people were saying oh well he has to he'll be used against him and i was like yeah they're not going to otherwise oh no like that's not been everything since 2020 has been like even more so there's the bad guys on the streets, but it's always the thugs. It sucks. It's bad.

I saw my student loan money back. You old man. Yeah. Hand it over. Yeah. Who knows what SCOTUS has done at this point with that? It's not been finalized yet, right? It's up to the Supreme Court.

Yeah. Who deemed it unfair. You need 40 bucks, Bob. It's up to the supreme court yeah who deemed it unfair you need 40 bucks bob it's gonna be really exciting it's gonna be like that equifax settlement where i got 395 by having all of my details sold all around the world it was not the original ending of the episode too they mentioned on the commentary but i had it this was also posted by formerly on twitter that guy 3002 he quit twitter but he owned a lot of the original Simpsons scripts. And I have it word for word from the script. The original exit scene was Selma and Patty on the couch together after all this. Patty says, so how was it? And Selma says

that it was so good that quote, it would have been worth it even if he had blown me up so bob was that good or maybe just the love for the attention perhaps and the sex i think that would have worked i think it works a little bit better the suffocate line is a bit clumsy for me as an ending what i think is a really great episode it just sort of was like it kind of reminds me of the end of homo stripple bypass with the gas oh yeah or the the dental plan one too yes that's what i mean yes yeah it's more just making fun of which is always fun to do mocking the bad writing that though also that like police squad did 10 years before this of like yes and then go out on a laugh yeah in this case it's that they all suffocate though in dental plan

in that one the laughter is much longer and more pronounced they drag it out longer than they had more time to kill this one was a too long episode that things were cut from that's the only reason a mistake they wouldn't make with cape fear that's a too short one which is why we got the wonderful rakes jokes i think too they probably cut it because they thought the kids watching this aren't going to give a shit about Selma's satisfaction. Yeah. The end of this needs to refocus on Bart and how Bart was right. The little boys at home will love that. The moral of the story was one little boy who never lost his mistrust.

Which also, you know, makes it a sequel to again the ending of crusty gets busted because that ends with crusty saying but there was one little boy who never lost faith in me and now it's one little boy who never lost his mistrust great great episode i think the only negatives i feel on it are that every bob episode after it in the classic years is even better like it builds on this one but this is such a great great great episode yeah i love it i mean i don't really care about the mystery angle because the mystery has been solved folks this episode aired in 1992 amazing direction by david silverman the lighting is amazing the tone is great and i love patty and selma and getting them involved

in a bob story and also getting Selma involved in another love story. Always an A plus in my book. So one of the classics of this season. Steve, any final thoughts on this one? I agree with what both of you guys say. To Henry's point, I do think the rest of the Bob and the quote unquote classic Bob run are funnier episodes. Like I was just watching Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming, which is such a funny episode.

Joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. But this one finds there's some pathos here. Lonely Selma a little bit, which i always find interesting great cavner acting i think there's a little more craft here in terms of actual storytelling as opposed to really hilarious jokes i'm not made of fucking stone i prefer the really great jokes but at the same time like just from an appreciation angle of an episode been a little while since i've seen this one it's not such a dour episode or such a serious episode. It's all about the craft.

It's still fucking funny. I'm cackling as much as anybody else, but there's a lot here. Oh, absolutely. Well, thank you for joining us once again, Steve, for your fifth appearance. Once again, we will invoice you for the jackets. Yeah, I can't wait. Give it six to eight weeks. But yes, you are also part of We Hate Movies, a podcast we love.

We Hate Movies. You folks are on Patreon. You also have a ton of side content. That's awesome. I might've mentioned The Nexus. If not, that's your Star Trek series and also Melrose 210. That's your 90210 and Melrose Place series.

But there's a ton going on. You folks work very hard over there. Thank you very much. Yeah, we're actually in the middle of ape month here. April, I think we're calling it. We're only doing monkey movies because we're fucking stupid. And that that continues we're doing a virtual live episode on peter jackson's king kong which will be on april the 20th tickets are available tickets are available

for a lot of things we're actually going to be on tour physically be in your neck of the woods in san francisco on may 18th doing star trek the voyage home at cobs comedy club we're going to be on may the 22nd at the Hollywood Improv talking about twins. And on June 15th, we were doing a Pride event in New Brunswick, New Jersey at the State Theater in New Jersey. A We Love Movies episode on the Birdcage. It's a charity show and any and all proceeds are going to go to LGBTQ plus New Jersey charities that do a lot of great things for people. We're really excited about that. So excited you're coming to our neck of the woods. I wish I could go to that Pride one too. That

sounds like a lot of fun. And you guys watching the Birdcage, I think it's nice that it's going to be a We Love Movies as well instead of like for Pride, you watch like a really bad thing that's gay. More fun to watch an old thing that's good. Yeah, you don't want to do gay bashing. Would be bad, right? It's a gay bash yeah we know it's also i guess having the word hate at a private event probably yeah that's you know what it's been 13 years since we've made that name and we've regretted it ever since the hate mongers i also love your at the time of this recording mandalorian has started up again and i've been really enjoying your mandalorian half hour chats on it it's which run about 45 to an hour an episode but it's been an interesting

season to talk about i'm curious to see where the hell it's even going but so far so good at the time of this recording we're only up to chapter 19 so the coruscant episode just aired so if it falls off a cliff boba fett style then we take any of these nice things for saying but i'm a big fan too oh and your youtube channel you guys have been doing a lot more on youtube too thank you so much youtube.com slash we hate movies we're doing a weekly show weekly-ish show on monday afternoons recapping box office numbers doing trailer reactions and kind of just talking about new stuff we're watching it's been a lot of fun I learned about the Shazam Skittles commercial in the movie, which sounds like shit. Ooh, it's tough.

Me too. It's me too. Jesus Christ. It's really rough. Taste the Rainbow is uttered twice in that film. In near the climax. Not the climax, but near the climax. Ugh.

Yeah, gross. Gross stuff. You're watching it so we don't have to. Yes, thanks. It's public service, Steve. Thanks for being on the show. We appreciate it. Thank you, guys. This is always a, Steve. Thanks for being on the show. We appreciate it. Thank you, guys.

This is always a blast. I'd love to come back anytime. Do six, seven, maybe even eight. Maybe eight. Eight's going to be the top. We'll talk. Yes. Thank you.

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