Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Brother From Another Series With Nina Matsumoto

Episode Date: October 31, 2018

Simpsons artist extraordinaire and our good friend Nina Matsumoto is back, and she's bringing her deep love of Frasier with her for this Sideshow Bob classic. We meet Cecil (who sounds a lot like Niles Crane) as he takes in the seemingly reformed Sideshow Bob in this anti-mystery story. All that plus smell hounds, Maris, and the surprising Japanese title of this episode. We're super excited for this one, especially Bob, but especially Henry! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! This podcast is brought to you by the streaming network VRV: home to cartoons, anime, and so much more! Visit VRV.co/WAC to sign up for your FREE 30-day trial and kick a little money back to your friends at the Talking Simpsons Network!

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I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody. Welcome to Talking Simpsons, home of coveralls that don't quite cover all. I'm your host, the hydrological and hydrodynamical Bob Mackey, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today? Henry Gilbert, and no society in history has ever considered a podcaster a colleague. And on the line we have...

I'm Nina Matsumoto, and I'm all murdered out. And today's episode is Brother from another series. I hope they still make that shampoo I like. Today's episode aired on February 16th, 1997 1997 and as always henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history oh my god oh boy bobby francis mcdormand wins big at the sag award thanks to fargo wheel of fortune officially switches over to digital letters from the classic ones that used to be turned and scientists in scotland announced that they have cloned an adult mammal producing a lamb named dolly wow so the most important thing here

wheel of fortune i i liked it i liked it more when i didn't know what pat sage i thought about things yes uh he's he's up there with chuck woolery where you're like really that's who you always were about the pat sage i think i'm gonna look look this up later. He's like a James Wood style monster online. Okay. He's so smiley and nice guy looking. Well, he's a big time conservative. He's a good host guy. Though he is, I don't know if he has committed the crimes

that James Woods has, but they are matching conservative dudes though. I will say that, Pat Sajak. I wonder how Vanna White feels about her job. It doesn't need to be there. Maybe she was getting repetitive stress injuries from turning those those huge letters around in her wrist yeah kind of nice on her wrist she was a sex symbol for for a time and i bet she gets paid pretty big like i think more people watch that show for her than pat sajak really i don't know how it's programmed up in your neck of the woods nina but wheel of

fortune is the easier, dumber thing that leads you into Jeopardy. You're like, okay, I'm going to watch Wheel of Fortune and feel kind of smart, and then watch Jeopardy, and then I'll feel super dumb because I'm not as smart as these contestants. I don't know how it would work in Canada. Don't you have to buy more vowels?

They just give you all those U's. It should be a Canadian Wheel of Fortune. The fortune is spelled with F-O-U-R-T-U-N-E the right way. I couldn't handle that. I could not handle that. And Dolly, Dolly the Sheep, right? Yes. After this period in time, we'd see so many parodies of this, so many satires of this.

But isn't this when shortly after Bill Clinton put in the books like no cloning humans? Yeah, though I have to assume that has happened already. We just don't know. There like a hitler farm somewhere yeah i was wondering why we haven't seen too many cloned animals is that why i want to see all the failed dolly clones that's somewhere some horrible dungeon actually that scene in uh alien fat alien alien resurrection one of the bad aliens yeah there we go yeah you're not really narrowing it down did you see that basketball scene thing that was getting shared on the internet recently? No.

So in the movie, to prove that Sigourney Weaver's Ridley has now been perfectly cloned and she's a super badass now, she is going to do a behind-the-back, no-look basketball throw to go into the net. And she said she'd been practicing for months ahead a little movie shoot to do it for real, but she hadn't really been making it. So they go to film it that day. Ron Perlman is there and other people who are in the movie, they're like, and so what are you? And she just like walks all in character, no look,

throws it behind her back. And it just like swish, just the perfect behind the back throw as she's walking. And Ron Perlman breaks character go like, oh, my God. And this just went online? It was on the DVDs, but it just got like virally shared in the last month or so. Did they play that whistling Harlem Goldfathers theme while she did it? They should have, but it was a French director.

I don't think he understood. She was using a freaking ladder. That scene could have like segued into Space Jam. Aliens playing basketball. Instead, it was just a weird pilot for Firefly, really, because it was a Joss Whedon script. Oh, yeah, that's right. So our guest today is Nina Matsumoto. Nina, you were on our Summer of 4Foot2 episode. In case people don't remember who you are, can you give them a brief refresher? Yeah, so I was on Summer of 4Foot2, and In case people don't remember who you are, can you give them a brief refresher? Yeah, so I was on Summer of 4Foot2

and oh, it's good to be here again. Yeah. Although, Harry, long time no see. Bob, nice shirt. Thank you. Although, Nina's in Canada. Nina's in Canada because she's afraid of getting shot like some kind of wuss.

No, I'm calling in because it's thematic to this episode. Oh, you're right whoa i i thought ahead you see no i just couldn't afford the plane tickets to go down to berkeley again but uh that's because i'm an artist i can't afford plane tickets like that i work for fangamer i do a lot of game shirt designs and up until a few months ago i was also a regular penciler for bongo comics doing simpsons comics that's gone now unfortunately oh but you still you are a artist extraordinaire not just on the simpsons but also on your own original stuff like sparks right yeah i also uh earlier this year i released sparks written by my friend and frequent

collaborator ian boothby who's written tons and tons of simpsons comic scripts it's about two cats that dress up as a dog to save people because nobody takes cats seriously. And it's published through Scholastic, so you can find it pretty much anywhere. Any kind of brick and mortar books chain, Amazon, whatever, wherever you buy books from. Libraries. Ian likes to look up various libraries to see if all of our copies of Sparks are checked out. And he says they often are. That's great. that's really cool man it's great to hear well and you're in case people don't know you're also a frequent collaborator with us you've done some amazing art for the like the header on the on the patreon and also uh your newest work

was this poster for us that was a lot of fun to work on so i'm glad you gave me total free main on that like i loved the halloween episode so much so i had so a lot of fun to work on, so I'm glad you gave me total free reign on that. I loved the Halloween episode so much, so I had so many ideas. I wanted to work Voodoo Donut in there somehow, though, because you were doing a Portland show, and it just felt fitting to do The Devil and Homer Simpson, because that's also part of... It is not, but they were there. Yeah, they were there. They were around. Yes, they made it better, I swear. swear And also She did two shirts for us Yes Yeah

There's a brand new shirt That just went up on the Well it's brand new At the time of this recording But if you're feeling Like Halloween style It is a black t-shirt That calls upon

Our classic death jingle We're going to be hearing it A lot soon And always But not in this episode That's true Thank goodness Yeah

That's because John mahoney isn't here yeah yeah i was gonna say if you do that episode then and he just passed so we'll get to it in about five years that episode uh season 19 yeah five six years that means you can't kill him but yeah you guys were close with that springfield files episode episode though. Yeah. Jimi passed away, but Mulder and Scully are still with us. He's alive in my heart. He's trapped in there. Yeah, but the guy who played Mulder's dad died shortly after the release of the episode. That did happen.

Well, he was on the episode, so our hands are clean. You have some Vancouver opinions about it. I know this is delaying talking about Frasier, but you do have Vancouver opinions about X-Files, don't you? Yeah, because the X-Files were filmed in Vancouver at least the first few seasons, and it was

like the pride of Vancouver, and it was cool watching the show because you could recognize all the locations they used. But then David Duchovny complained about the rain, and the show got moved to LA, and the whole city turned on David Duchovny like Springfield style. We didn't chase him out with like torches and pitchforks.

We can't light torches here because they get put up by the rain right away. It's a bad town for a mob. Yeah, but apparently his house got egged at one point. Oh, wow. Yeah, and people were like slamming him in newspapers. Yeah, I don't think we've gotten, well, maybe we might've gotten over that actually

because they did come back here for the new season. And now nobody wants them because, P.U., those episodes stink. Yeah, I was disappointed by those. Are they going to make a new season? Do you know? I think they're done again for now. Yeah. Done again.

I think season 12 didn't really work out. And also, I believe it's Gillian Anderson is very much on the record of like i've had enough thank you oh really well you never know though it might come back in like another 10 years they're both still live in another 10 years i bet they'll do it again they're both very good looking too yeah yeah they age really well in 10 years there will be no new ip things will be that bad it will all be revivals of things you never liked in the first place i want to talk about a scandal behind this episode though that i just discovered whoa that will not blow your mind it's very boring but i want to ask bill oakley about this in person or perhaps through twitter to get a real answer so so this episode on the dvd menu it's called brother from another series in the dvd

booklet it's called the brother from another series on wikipedia it's called brother from another series on itunes it's called Brother from Another Series. On iTunes, it's called The Brother from Another Series. So I don't know what the actual title of this episode is. It is referencing the movie The Brother from Another Planet. And that is what Brother from the Same Planet in season four was referencing. And they already did it. Yeah.

But there is no... Henry's typing. Henry, there is no definitive answer. Every source is different. Every official source is different. And I'm losing my my mind i don't know what the official title is some sources drop the some include the i was just curious what the simpsons world simpsons world has brother brother brother yeah it's very strange and i don't know what's up with this the brother the the brother the brother but yes. The brother, the. The brother. But yes, even in, so in the season four parody of the title, they drop the the, it's just brother

from the same planet. We'll get to it when it comes, but I also have more controversy I want to put on top of this episode. Nina is here because of her Frasier expertise. In fact, she told me she wanted to be on this. And so I watched this episode, then I watched a couple of Frasiers and now I can't stop talking like Frasier. I'm going to try to not do that on the show. So Nina. You can't resist. I know, I know.

But Nina, what is your connection with Frasier? Yeah, so I am a huge Frasier fan. Not a single nanosecond of the show was relatable to me in any way, but I still loved it. I wonder how well this show would fly in today's eat the rich world, though. I think they'd need a little more. Well, it is a bit of a class play, though, because the dad is lower class.

They make fun of rich people. Yeah. Yeah, and they have that conspicuous go-go 90s money that I'm sure Frasier Niles would be just like eating at a poor house in this modern decade. Yeah, like once it came out, Syndication, I watched it every single day. It was Frasier and then Seinfeld back to back in Syndication.

I also watched like all the new episodes all the way up to the finale. I have a weird penchant for mashing it up with Final Fantasy for some reason. This is my true form. I had another friend who is also a big Frasier fan, also a big Final Fantasy fan. And we came up with an idea for Final Fantasy VIII meets Frasier Donjinshi called Maybe I'm a Crane where Squall calls into the show asking for relationship advice about

Rinoa and Frasier invites the whole cast to his apartment. And there's like mix-ups classic Frasier mix-ups like Frasier referring to his ex-wife Lilith as a witch and so all the people think they're a sorceress. So when she arrives, Cypher kneels before her and asks to fulfill his romantic dream.

I'm getting all of this and I hope our listeners are too. I still have this document on my computer. It's like FF8 Frasier. And if I had the time, I would draw this because I'm all for this idea still. And then like four years ago, I photoshopped a screenshot of Final Fantasy VI where they're battling the two cranes on the airship and I replaced the cranes

with Frasier and Niles. Oh, you did that? I saw that being passed around recently. I didn't know that was yours. Yeah, some other guy uploaded it recently. Okay. It was making its rounds on Twitter.

That's son of a gun. Yeah, so I retweeted mine again saying like, I'm seeing this around Twitter and just wanted to retweet this. Actually, when Twitter gave us the ability to retweet our own tweets that was the very first thing i retweeted i'm like people need to see this again and normally if someone else like repost something i made and it gets popular i don't i don't care but this one i would not let this guy have this one this was

like my baby well we're talking about uh frazierzier's money, the crane millions, as it were. And it makes sense. The show ended at the perfect time because Frazier was pulling in that fat terrestrial radio money. Frazier would have a podcast and would be giving you offer codes for Casper mattresses now. Frazier 2018 with podcasts. I like it.

It's kind of similar to when we talked to Mike Reese about how could the critic come back when his job doesn't exist anymore. It's a similar situation for Frasier, I think. I watched Frasier diligently. I hadn't really thought, I was a huge fan at the time. I hadn't watched an episode of it in over a decade, but it was like weekly viewing for me on usually, I believe Tuesday was its home night after right and that's like how they extended the must-see tv banner it took over like four nights at some point yeah but i i watched it quite a lot i love the show going back to it now uh re-watching episodes for this i forgot like how super duper gay it was because like not just that david hyde pierce and john mahoney were

both uh closeted gay actors at the time of the show but also that like the writing staff was quite gay and so many jokes were about innuendo mix-em-ups about being gay and also bulldog the actor who played bulldog also openly gay at the time it's funny nina recommended me two episodes to watch for this and funnily enough they were both about dinner parties. And I swear, I probably 97% of episodes of Frasier are about dinner parties, because I've been watching a lot of like modern streaming shows and cartoons. And it was kind of surreal to go back into a sitcom be like, oh, they can't leave this set. They're stuck on this set for like 20 minutes. And what are they going to do on this set? It was kind of a weird mindset to get back into yeah that's what i love about that show though like i think a lot of

it is written by people with theatrical backgrounds at least the actors have a lot of theatrical backgrounds so the way it's done it's very much like a stage show and usually bottle episodes yeah and especially the the dinner party was one of the ones i recommended to bob that's a very generic title for a facial episode because that's yeah like you said like a court like one of the ones I recommended to Bob. That's a very generic title for a Frasier episode because, yeah, like you said, most of the episodes are about dinner parties or planning a dinner party. I just like that. I think it keeps things simple. I just prefer bottle episodes in general with sitcoms. Even with Seinfeld, I like the episode The Restaurant on the table.

I think it's because I like stage shows in general. Maybe that's why I had such an affinity towards Frasier. It is kind of odd. I've been reading a lot about Frasier lately, and I think at some point Kelsey Grammer just became Frasier because he was like executive producer on the show. And he really only has like one mode of acting. So it's funny to hear him on the commentary. Number one, he does a very Frasier style thing and gets mad that they didn't keep his take where he said an-historic Instead of a-historic

And he was really mad about that But then he was doing like, this is how I do Sideshow Bob Sideshow Bob sounds like this Unlike my normal voice, it sounds like this No, you're just doing The Kelsey Grammer voice Although one of the craziest things I've heard So Kelsey Grammer had a bit of a problem with the sauce

Also he's a real pound hound, as you call him yeah and uh he has now has his ex what he has his wife's name tattooed above his um genitals to remind himself to not cheat that is well that's also insane because in one of the few kelsey grammer starring films down periscope oh my god in that film his character has something tattooed on his penis as well boy it's very weird life imitating art for every kelsey grammar i confused that movie with the mchale's navy movie and you never want to be confused with the mchale's navy movie i watched down periscope because i liked fraser that much i came to it for him and for harlan williams oh my god he was like a poor man's French steward. He acted like a whale.

So he wasn't as quinty-eyed? Yeah, his eyes are just more open. Yeah. But yeah, no, Frasier, I rewatched some classic Frasiers ahead of this to get back into the Frasier mindset. Ooh, which ones? So I watched one of my favorites as a kid kid which i see now because it was the gayest ones but it was the matchmaker where fraser accidentally asks out his new boss who is a man

when he thinks he's trying to set up a date between daphne and this man it's so funny when everybody else realizes it before fraserier, especially when Niles finds out and the guy asks him, are you upset that I'm trying to date your brother? And Niles just takes a very long take. He's like, no, no, not at all. So that one. And I watched Moon Dance, the episode where-

Ooh, that's a fan favorite. Yeah, Daphne. Basically no Frasier in that episode. And Daphne teaches Niles how to dance. And it's the one of their most sexually charged ones. And it actually directed by Kelsey Grammer that episode. Oh, wow. So that's why he was gone.

Yes, yeah. And then the last one I watched was a season seven favorite of mine, A Czar is Born, which is about the antiques road show and them thinking that they're related to a czar nicholas but instead they're related to the scullery maid who stole from the czars i do remember that one and that one's hilarious actually that one touched me the most re-watching it because i thought it was just about embarrassing them through their lineage but it's really about how what touched me now is it was them connecting with their father over a show because the simpsons was that for me too they connect with their father over the antiques road show and for me like simpsons duck man those were

the only things i connected with my father on which we had almost nothing in common otherwise well watching it again i noticed like the two episodes I was watching, like Frasier was trying to get laid. And then I realized like, oh, he was always trying to get laid in every episode. I think that was the counter how gay the show was. Like, no, Frasier, Frasier wants it. He wants women in every episode. He's going after it. I recommended The Dinner Party and To Kill a Talking Bird. I don't remember that one. Which one's that? Oh, I have to say Dinner Party is about a failed dinner party.

It's sort of Frasier and Niles. You don't say. I mean, it's all in the title, but it's Frasier and Niles are both setting up a dinner party and they each have their own weird conditions on how they want it to go. It ends up not happening, but it's all about their relationship with each other and how people think it's weird that they do everything together and to kill a talking bird thankfully no bird death it still plays on the idea that birds are annoying and bad pets which i am against that stereotype i'm here to fight it i didn't see it that way but that was so niles moves into this

nice new apartment uh and he gets a uh cockatoo and it gets stuck to his head. And I've got to say, David Hyde Pierce is a great actor with a, I can tell he's terrified of this bird just by his body language, but he's great at it. I can definitely tell, but he's great at acting with a bird on his head for about 10 minutes. David Hyde Pierce, re-watching these gave me so much appreciation. Not that no one else is working hard at that, because I think everybody's great.

Especially re-watching, I'm wow ross is perry perry gilpin's ross is so good oh yeah but david hyde pierce is such a fantastic like he is the most cutting sarcastic like snarky guy ever but then also when they need physical comedy he excels at it every time they're a real mark lynn baker and bronson pincho of the 90s that's a good way of putting it i was a big perfect strangers fan as well oh wow maybe i just like that kind of dynamic yeah i know david hyde pierce is one of my favorite comedic actors of all time and i would watch anything with him in it i even watched that caroline the city episode where you guessed it he was the cat super fan on that show wow i remember that caroline in the city again how gay how i think caroline in the city was the only more gay must-see tv show than this and what i liked upon revisiting this is that it was a very 90s thing to have the male character pining after somebody at news radio

they get out of the way in like three episodes which i love yeah but in in fraser i think they want you to not be sympathetic to niles because he's such like a callow wuss he's so pathetic he's also creepy but with friends uh i think they might be like oh come on ross get it together man that's me on the screen right there when ross sucks ross should be in prison henry i wanted to ask you as someone who also watched and followed Frasier how did you feel when Niles and Daphne finally got together um by that point I was so I think it was like season six no seven when they finally and it's the finale of season seven when they finally got together and by that point I was so used to the will they won't they stuff of I was well versed in it not just from news radio and friends but I had now watched every sitcom a million times over because i had no life but i was glad they finally did it

because i was in the mood of like it's been seven years you can't you can't keep toying around with this for this long you gotta shit or get off the pot and i think when they realize they're at seven years they're like we only have so many years left on the show if we put them together and it doesn't work hell we only have a few more seasons anyway so and i thought it worked out fine but i mean by that point the series had gone into a little bit of a decline anyway not that the the last years were bad or anything but i was i was fine with it how did you feel i was glad that it happened but i also wish it was more near the end of the series because i feel like once you get those two together,

or in any show where there's like a will they or won't they thing going on, once you get them together, it's like, well, that's it, I guess. And anything that happens afterwards is not going to be as good as, you know, all the fans have imagined what would happen afterwards. But I do like how at the very end, well, spoiler for Frasier in case. After the time jump. They watch the show afterwards, but how Daphne gave birth to their child and they named it after David. David Angel.

Oh, right. Yeah, the executive producer of Fasher who died during the September 11 attacks. Yeah, he was on the plane, right? Yeah, him and his wife were on the first plane that hit one of the Twin Towers. Yeah, that's right. Wow, I had completely forgotten that. Man, now watching it again, I just love the theatricality of the show and just how many great lines they just get out of wordplay.

Just in the moon dance one, it was Niles complaining about not getting a date or something. And he's just complaining. And then Daphne says, why? And then he says, wouldn't you? Wouldn't you? When I revisited some of the episodes, I was like, man, this show is really well written. It really holds up. Very much so, yeah.

Well, it's great that The Simpsons eventually got around to doing a Frasier parody because in the early years of the show, they were all about parodying Cheers, which we didn't even mention. Frasier is a spinoff of Cheers. And I'm sure when Frasier started, people were like, why Frasier? Why not Norm? Why not Carla? Why not Cliff? People, I don't think, had a lot of faith in this show, on this idea of spinning off Frasier. And Cheers was a much bigger show than Frasier. Actually, I looked up the stats of Frasier. And at this time, it was a modest hit on par with The Simpsons. It was pulling the same amount of of viewers it wouldn't be until the late 90s 99 and 2000 were the biggest years

of the show we got up to like number five and four in the ratings at this point it was around number 10 so it was never like a number one like home improvement or seinfeld or friends but it was always sort of a modest sort of prestige hit for nbc that won them emmys constantly like oh yeah almost 30 emmys that's comedy yeah and the acting ones too a ton of acting emmys just over and over and it was a bit of serendipity that they got kelsey for sideshow bob because with sideshow bob in 1989 the joke is this carnival buffoon secretly is a high class well-spoken uh you know elite kind of guy who like reads the man in the iron mask the children and they didn't know that oh he was going to be the star of a huge sitcom in just four years when they hired

him to do sideshow bob well because all those guys go off to nothing after their sitcom ends they either just cast checks or then they appear on less popular things like i mean george went just became professionally norm in his life at all times which which, hey, great job if you can get it. I'm not saying he's getting lazy. He's great in the black or white video. But yeah, Frasier just became the anchor for a just as good sitcom as the perfect Cheers. Like even Ted Danson was just like, you know what? I want to make a Jonathan Swift movie.

That's what I want to do next. Oh my God, you're right. Nina, do you have any Cheers knowledge? Are you aware of the pre-fraser canon oh yeah i used to watch cheers too i didn't watch it as extensively as fraser there were a lot of the the earlier seasons i couldn't get into as much like i'm more of a rebecca era fan than a diane era fan ah but diane is the closest that's that Frasier's in on the show that's true she was dating Frasier and he was supposed to be

a one time character and then he kind of exploded into this thing I don't know if this record has been broken but at one point he had a record for most Emmys won on different shows as the same character because he won an Emmy for Frasier on Cheers Frasier on Frasier and Frasier guest appearing on Wings

that's right. Yeah. Yeah, I think he had an Emmy for, or sorry, the record for playing the longest character consecutively. But I think that's been broken. I'm not sure by who or which character. Maybe it's Dan Castellaneta or something. I mean, The Simpsons would have broken it for sure. Yeah, Frasier only ran 11 seasons.

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is it is my favorite sideshow bob now and i don't think it'll ever be topped by future one i i have to agree it's also funny that again this is season eight uh in season seven and eight josh weinstein and bill oakley the showrunners are changing a lot of things a lot of status quo things because like all showrunners of the simpsons are like well this show will be around for like two more years at most so let's just do all the crazy stuff we want to so in this episode sideshow bob is reformed and the curveball that we all forget about is up until like the third act you're supposed to think sideshow bob is going to do something evil once again and uh it's not a surprise anymore because I've seen this 40 times, but that was supposed to be a surprise

that Cecil is the villain all along. Man, back then, Sideshow Bob was my absolute favorite character. He's since been replaced by Superintendent Chalmers. But I still love Sideshow Bob a lot. And as a huge Sideshow Bob fan and a huge Frasier fan and a really huge David Hyde Pierce fan, this episode was just a dream come true for me.

I could not have asked for anything better. And I wonder how people who never watched Frasier felt about this. I would hope it at least opened the doors for Frasier enjoyment watching this show. It's so fan service-y, though, to Frasier fans. Yeah, and I mean, I think Ken Keeler is sort of a real-life Niles Crane. If you hear him on commentaries, he's got a PhD. He knows way too much

about everything high class, so I feel like they chose the perfect guy to write it. Also, he was watching a lot of Frazier, which is why he wanted to write this episode. It was also like a huge get

to get David Hyde Pierce on the show. In our first Bill Oakley interview, you asked if this was supposed to be closing the door on Sideshow Bob, like another finale type thing,

like they'd written for other people. And Bill said, no, he was like, no, we knew he'd come back sometime. But this really is a last episode for Sideshow Bob. Like he goes back to jail, but he still, he doesn't say I am definitely evil again. Yeah. And I think they wanted to open the door for David Hyde Pierce to come to come back for them to work together which wouldn't happen until season what was it

again 19 yes in 2007s what's it called again i just watched it last night a funeral for a fiend it's actually i thought it was great outside of the first act which is all about tivo jokes which i guess was good at the time but i never had a tivo i didn't really connect with it but um it's a fun episode john mahoney's in it playing sideshow bob's dad yeah he's actually kind of the weakest part there because he's like i don't think he has a real handle on the character and also it's where they bring in sideshow bob's mom which they don't really spend much time with her and she's no offense to tress mcdeal but she's not played by a famous person which wouldn't you want to get perry gilpin or j Leaves to play that character?

That would make sense. I guess there wasn't enough time to give her anything to do, but I have one final production note. I know this is going on so long with all this information, but we have a new director on board for this episode, Pete Michaels.

So this is going to be pretty interesting, folks. He started as a background layout artist on the first Treehouse of Horror in 1990. So at this point, he's been on the show for like seven years. 2003's Break My Wife, Please was his last episode as a director. And he also directed a bunch of Family Guy episodes in both the older and newer seasons, like pre-time skip and post-time skip, where Peter works out, he's stronger, he's got new enemies.

And he was a supervising director on Family Guy as well, I think. He was. And he was also, before Wes Archer took over in season three, he was supervising director on Rick and Morty for the first two seasons. He directed all the episodes of Adult Swim's show Hot Streets, which I've never seen, but it's apparently like a Justin Roiland production company. Justin Roiland is the creator of Rick and Morty, and his production company made Hot Streets. I've not heard of this show. Apparently that was made in the hiatus between Rick and Morty seasons or something like that. Because they had a lot of downtime.

And he's currently supervising director on something called Future Worm. It's a Disney XD show. And it's also sort of Roiland adjacent. Well, good for him. He also, I think he worked on Rocco's Modern Life too, didn't he? Yeah, Rocco, Rugrats, the whole McGill. Though I was shocked to see that this was his first Simpsons. I guess he must have left the Simpsons at some point

and then come back before he directed this first episode. I think he just... I was looking at all of his IMDb credits for the Simpsons, and throughout the years, he rises in stature in terms of the role he's given. So background layout artist is the first thing he did of the role he's given so background layout artist is the first thing he did eventually he's like doing character layouts and assistant directing and then directing well he does a great job because this involves uh it really runs the

gamut but it does run the gamut because he has to do these very like urbane theatrically staged scenes between cecil and bob but also he has to do giant action scenes and disaster movie moments in the show. Yeah, I wonder if he did some of the layouts himself in this, because there are some really cool shots in this, especially near the end when Cecil Bob is chasing Barclaysa through the stairs. There's some really elaborate laid out shots there with a bunch of stairs going up and down and crisscrossing each other and you only see each shot for like a second i'm like man imagine working on that that one uh background for so long and you only see it for a

second in the show yeah that chase scene is a real uh standout for me in this episode i feel so bad on the commentary for peter because they're they as rightly they should be they are very excited they got kelsey for his first simpsons commentary but pete michaels is there and he's trying to talk about the animation but then like kelsey just comes in and says something like well let's keep get back to talking to kelsey i mean oh no yeah it's well that's the animator should be used to that by now unfortunately yeah i feel bad for him now, though. Pete Michaels. He's heard so many things he could have said. Or raised a finger, opened his mouth,

and just kind of meekly put it back down when Kelsey started saying things with his theatrical voice. There's a great moment on an earlier commentary where I think it's Rich Moore. Everyone wants to stop talking about Conan O'Brien. And he was just like, yeah, Conan did this. Conan did everything.

Conan drew this. Every Conan O'Brien episode, the just like yeah Conan did this Conan did everything Conan drew this every Conan O'Brien episode the commentaries are just about Conan and especially when he's on the commentaries they don't talk about the episode at all yeah everyone loves him he's the funniest guy ever and hey we interviewed his roommate former roommate I would now this makes me want to

definitely interview Pete Michaels someday he's he's high on my list now after this, and especially all of his jobs. Like, Simpsons is just part of it. But I think I'll lightly talk about Family Guy if we ever talk to him. By the way, speaking of Kelsey Grammer,

do you think he has an accent? He has something going on with the way he speaks. I think so. It's a little received from the theater. Yeah yeah what kind of accent is that it's a snob yeah just classic mid-atlantic snobbery nobody talks like that anymore you have to sort of put it on but um i love on the show on frazier he gets he and niles they hang out in the fancy circles of seattle which is just like i'm not seattle's a major city i'm sure do have high society, but it just feels weird to be like, we're in Seattle high society. It just doesn't feel the same as like New York or Boston high society, I suppose.

I was in Seattle recently. I didn't see any Frasers walking around. I saw me though. That's true. You are very non-Fraser like me, I have to say. But yeah, actually, I remember this is going on so long more more Kelsey Grammar stuff that he is so he is he is Frasier I remember watching him on Conan O'Brien like in the 90s and he was getting mad it's like I I am so angry when people

say culinary it's culinary it's you say culinary like Jesus dude you're you're intense about these pronunciations but yeah I don't know it's it the kelsey grammar accents but it's so fun to watch walk around and yell at my bird like like frazier oh louis really i think kelsey just does more drugs than frazier really that's true i think that's also why they wrote multiple episodes where frazier gets high off of something that isn't just drugs but they're like that's another of my favorites is the one where uh frazier gets super sick and gets on heavy medication and then niles takes over his show and then he goes crazy like he's trying to take over my shoe no i love that one uh so much i can't remember him getting high on any other episode though that's the only one that comes to mind for me it's drunk but yeah that might maybe is the only

one where he gets i gotta say uh if you want to do the frazier impression make sure you're sitting down i'm kind of lightheaded because that really works out your diaphragm. Oh, really now? I'm projecting. Well, all right. Why don't we get into the episode? Oh, yeah. Simpsons.

Minute 45. It's time to get into, what's this one again? The Frasier episode? Brother from another series. Or the brother. I really am lightheaded. I got to take breaks between my Frasier impressions. Well, time to get off of Frazier and on

to the Johnny Cash reference train. Live from Springfield Penitentiary's fabulous big open area in Cell Block D, it's the Krusty the Clown Prison Special. I slugged some jerk in

Tahoe. They gave me one to three My high-priced lawyer sprung me on a technicality I'm just visiting Springfield Prison I get to sleep at home tonight Hey, hey, I kid I kid cause I love I tell ya, the best folk in the world are prison folk. I really love how artless that final lyric is.

He just wants to twist the knife. I get to sleep at home tonight. He even does like a hand whisper over his mouth like, Hey, let me let you know, I get to sleep at home tonight. And one thing I noticed about this scene for the first time is that Krusty is clearly not playing the guitar and it's not an animation mistake or just poor timing. And one thing I noticed about this scene for the first time is that Krusty is clearly not playing the guitar. And it's not an animation mistake or just poor timing.

In fact, the guitar is still going when he lifts his hand up to his mouth to do the little aside. I get to sleep at home tonight, which is, it's fun. But I just noticed now, like, oh, he's not even doing it. Well, Krusty's that fake. I never noticed that before, but I guess it was intentional. It's like lip syncing, but with a guitar. And Krusty is all dressed in black which is a reference to johnny cash and this is specifically a reference to his live from folsom prison album that he did though he also did a tv special he didn't do so he did an album

but not a tv special from folsom prison then he did a sequel from San Quentin, which was a live show showing the prisoners in the audience. So this is kind of a mashup of them. Krusty Song, clearly a reference to the Folsom Prison Blues, which here is Johnny Cash singing that song at Folsom Prison. Hello, I'm Johnny Cash. No! I hear the train a-comin' It's rollin' round the bend And I ain't seen the sunshine since I don't know when I'm stuck in Folsom Prison

And time keeps dragging on I love that song so much. The parody is so pitch perfect too. Yeah. Perfect. The slugsome guy in Tahoe instead of shot a man in Reno. It's classic.

But it's important to note that Johnny Cash had not gone to prison at that point. He was arrested for I think smuggling drugs into Mexico or out of Mexico.

Pills. Yeah. He was arrested but never put in jail. And apparently that song Folsom Prison Blues arrested for i think smuggling drugs into mexico or out of mexico pills yeah uh he was he was arrested but never put in jail and apparently that song fulsome prison blues was recorded in 1955 and it is a very like boring white guy album to like but i do like it i love it it's like you can just smell the men it's like it just smells sweaty and you can just hear it just so raucous i'm not a boring white guy and i still love that album. It's so good. I'll allow it.

The Folsom Prison Blues, I most recently heard it being performed by a guy at the farmer's market which is not very appropriate. But it was still cool and I'm glad I get to talk a little bit about Johnny Cash because I wasn't on the Space Coyote episode. People were asking, where's Nina?

I know, where's Nina? I want to talk about Greystone Chapel because that's also from the Life from Folsom Prison album. It's one of the more interesting stories

to come out of there because it was earned by a prisoner called Glenn Shirley and Cash received a recording of it the night before the show and he's like,

I got to perform this, which he did, but unfortunately when he performed it, he named the guy and that did not make him very popular to the other inmates. Oh, no.

In fact, it was probably like when Reverend Lovejoy praises Bob at the church later in this episode. Wow. I wonder if that's intentional. But I didn't know that part of the story. Same here. Yeah. So he had a hard time in prison due to that.

And then when he got out, he did not have a good time um in society afterwards and he committed suicide ultimately but then johnny cash paid for his burial oh that's great that's good at least yeah man the the joaquin phoenix movie leaves that out just love any call back to johnny cash i wonder if they were writing this while they were trying to get johnny cash to play this bass coyote cash on the brain which one ran into the other? Well, you know they wanted Bob Dylan first. Maybe when they got Johnny Cash, we should then start with the Johnny Cash thing.

I guess it just came organically because they needed to have Sideshow Bob in there somewhere. The prison thing fits. Yeah, that's true. And Krusty. So it makes sense if you have a celebrity at the prison.

I saw Walk the Line when it came out. I don't remember a damn word of it, but I'm glad Walk Hard came out of that. It was a parody way too smart for its audience, and it didn't do well at all. But it's so good, and the music is so good too. And John C. Reilly is amazing in that movie. What I liked about Walk the Line compared to, say, Ray, was that Joaquin Phoenix sings the songs in there, as opposed to in Ray, when Jamie Foxx does everything, he's playing the piano for real, but they just play, they overdub him with the original songs. It's like when Marty McFly performs at the dance. It's like, whose voice is that?

So, you know, I kind of like the authenticity more in Walk the Line, where Joaquin Phoenix actually sings the songs. Though it's also kind of distracting, authenticity more in Walk the Line where Joaquin Phoenix actually sings the songs. Though it's also kind of distracting because you're like, well, I'm watching a cover band here of a guy imitating Johnny Cash while it's an Oscar-worthy imitation. But it's Oscar nomination worthy. And in 2018, we don't have Cash, Hope, or Job. So I'd have to say that again. This also is a very speedy. They talk about how they deleted.

Actually, Ken Keeler is so excited on the commentary to find out one of his deleted scenes is on the DVD, but this is such a fast episode. They, they have to cram in so much. And so that includes getting to sideshow Bob immediately and having him recap himself right there. Hey,

Hey, it's my old TV sidekick sideshow Bob. Why? I haven't seen you in years. What have you been doing with yourself, Bob? Well, Krusty, as you may remember, after I tried to frame you for armed robbery, I tried to murder Selma Bouvier.

Let's see, I rigged the mayoral elections, I tried to blow up Springfield with a nuclear device, and I tried to kill you. Oh, yeah, yeah. And whenever I could find a spare moment, I've tried to murder Bart Simpson. Ha, ha, ha, ha! He said tried.

Someone should really go up there and talk to him. Ah. Oof. Homer. Oh, all those stairs. Oh, you have nothing to worry about, honey. Your mother's right, Bart.

Sure, you're the one who ruined all of Sideshow Bob's criminal scheme. We're very proud of you, by the way. And sure, he's probably so insane with rage that he'd butcher you horribly if he could. But he's safely locked away. In a medium security prison. For life. Unless he gets out somehow. Which is impossible.

Or so you think. Except he's done it so many times before. Usually the device to explain who Bob is to the viewer is Homer being stupid. Like, oh, sideshow Bob. But now it's just Bob directly talking to the audience about all he's been up to. And this time Homer remembers everything and is actually kind of proud of Bob. It's like, you know what? He's done a lot this sideshow, Bob guy.

Is medium security prison actually a thing? I don't think so. I think it's either just minimum or regular or maximum. I guess there's maximum security, minimum security, and I guess the in-between is medium, I suppose. It's just normal. Yeah. Normal security. Yeah, I never heard the term medium security prison before this episode.

I also think that Bob got off pretty lightly for attempting to mass murder the entire town with a stolen nuclear device from the government like that's just instant treason death penalty right we never really hear what his sentence was march says he's in there for life oh life got it yeah he did try you're right and there's there's no award for attempted chemistry is there and i love crusty's reaction like, yeah, yeah, I remember. It's like, I tried to kill you. And so when you know the secret of this episode and that Bob actually feels bad about it, he's not proudly listing his schemes or saying it to threaten Krusty or Bart.

He's saying it to be like, yes, these are the things I did. That's all in the past. There's a lot of things he says in this episode. The way way he delivers his lines it makes no sense when you know that he's innocent there's a point are you saying it's so ominously there's a point during his explanation where crusty pulls the mic away and he pulls it back like no i'm not done yeah that is great too not meaning it as a reference but i've I've definitely seriously said all those stairs in real life. I couldn't remember which episode it was until this happened.

I was like, yes, it's great. I thought it was Sherry Bobbins in my memory until we got to this one. There are many scenes of someone telling Homer to go upstairs and comfort someone and him complaining about it. He hates it for every... I also thought all those stairs

was when Marge sends Larry Burns and Homer out the door. Right, yeah. I live in the third floor of my building, but oftentimes I'll use the stairs because that can be faster than using the elevator. Waiting for the elevator and then taking up there can take a while. Yeah, my apartment complex, it takes a little bit of time, too. I'll take the stairs down, up with something in my hands and i'm like i'll wait for this elevator i uh all those stairs mentality then enters into my brain we get a really nice

smash cut of the next scene here and sideshow bob is an unstoppable killing machine i once was lost, but now am found. Was blind, but now I see. Well, that was lovely, Robert. You other cons could benefit from his shining example. Not really, Reverend. Your praise is going to get me beaten up. Oh, I'm sorry, Bob, but your transformation is truly inspiring. Yes, I'm a good, good man.

You know, it's hard to believe this model prisoner could be the same monstrous fiend who once ran for mayor. It's a pleasure to have recommended you for the work release program. Me? I'm touched. I really am. But you'll never find anyone willing to hire a five-time loser like me. I already have. It's funny that out of all the crimes for Lovejoy to underline, he underlines running for mayor. Not the same monster who tried to kill the Simpsons or tried to blow up the town.

I love that. I noticed that this time. That misdirect is great. Yeah. And the way he just like inhales quickly to be like, think of that line I just said, ran for mayor. Anyway, I kind of want to see more of the friendship between Timothy Lovejoy and Bob Terwilliger too. But again, the great mislead, which Bob should not have this intention of,

yes, I'm a good man. Yeah, it's so great! Because it makes, it's the show fucking with you! He's just saying that and then they play his music like, no, he's not, no, he's not. Oh, I guess it gets worse. It really does. And they also

get Kelsey singing out of the way early. They're like, well, we gotta have him sing all the time. Don't we? He's Sideshow Bob. His voice is amazing. Originally, later in the episode, it didn't take place at a dam. It took place at an opera house.

So I imagine they wanted more singing in there. That sounds like a Ken Keeler touch. More of a Frasier-y touch, too. Exploding opera house. But they probably would have tried to cram in too many songs in there i'm glad they went with the damn because it allows more of these snobs versus slob stuff that makes a great frazier episode as well that's what's so special about frazier is that in slobs versus snob stuff you're almost always the heroes are the slobs but on fraser it is no you're with the

snobs and you can't wait for these your heroes to be humiliated on some level through their snobbery i might be getting ahead of myself but in fraser it's niles who looks down on fraser because fraser does a radio call in therapy show and niles uh looks down upon that he calls it his mctherapy yes yeah The drive-through window of therapy. It's kind of the opposite in this episode. That's true. He always looked... Well, in both cases, Bob and Frasier are entertainers, and Cecil and Niles look down on that, but actually are jealous of it. That's a good point. Yeah, in Niles' case, multiple times he's taken over the

show in Frasier's place, and he likes it. So, I think it's a good, most things for Niles are driven by jealousy, I think. Niles has a better job at his job too, I believe, at Frasier's job. Yeah, I think so. Though Niles makes more money on his private practice, I think. Do we ever see Niles practicing psychiatry? We always see Fraser doing it, but... There were a few. Okay. Do we ever see his office?

I think he has an office in his house. I think we've been to his house a couple times and have seen his office there. Just like on Growing Pains. Well, I built another set. Well, hey, let's stop talking about Cecil and hear from him. Cecil? Is it really you? Hello, brother.

I'm happy to see you. But it's been ten years. We haven't spoken since the... Unpleasantness? You mean Arthur Fiedler's wake? No, no, no. I mean our falling out. Oh, that. That's ancient history.

Let's make a fresh start. Come work for me. But this is wonderful. You do know I used to have a... problem with trying to kill people. Goodness, I had no idea. For you see, I have been on Mars for the last decade, in a cave, with my eyes shut and my fingers in my ears. Touché, Cecil.

I'm aware of your felonious past, but you are still my brother, and blood is thicker than bread and water. You don't have to worry about me, brother. I'm all murdered out. Praise the Lord. So Ken Keillor is just writing Frasier fanfic for about half the episode, but it's great. There were three Simpsons writers who wrote for Frasier. That's right.

Jay Kogan was one of them. David Isaacs and Ken Levine. Yeah. Jay Kogan did the first Sideshow Bob episode, too. But none of them worked on this episode. No, they'd gone on by that time. I think what happened, in the case of Jayay kogan he and his writing partner partner wally walidarski they just they had signed a deal a production deal after leaving simpsons but nothing

really came of it and i think they just like professionally split and kogan just took on whatever you know staffed up on a writing on a writing staff somewhere and walidarski directed sorority boys oh god we've been over this though yeah by the way the pronunciation of the name cecil or cecil how do you say it i only hear this come up when people play final fantasy 4 i always said cecil because of this show when playing exactly yeah i i said cecil because uh he was named for cecil fielder but uh the character the character on final fantasy yeah i didn't know that well well shit then we got to call him cecil yeah but i mean cecil is more of the the high class

pronunciation actually they talk about it on the commentary like there was a a cecil cecil decision to be made he had to choose one or the other well it's funnier it makes it all the funnier when wiggum shows up and calls him Cecil at the end. It works. It lets you know that's the low class stupid way of saying it, apparently. Actually, I looked up where the name comes from, and it's derived from the old Welsh name Cecilt. It's like S-E-I-S-Y-L-L-T, derived from the Roman name Sextilius,

which sounds like something Zapp Brattigan would come up with. Oh, yeah. It's like sexlexia actually the reason why super deep reference time everybody the reason why

Cecil in Final Fantasy 4 is named after Cecil Fielder is because the Hanshin Tigers signed him in 1988 oh my god

so he went over to Japan wow yeah and he was a big star over there so that's why secret sports nerdery? Oh, yeah.

I mean, the battle system in Final Fantasy is referenced. It was based on F1 racing. Wow. Oh, no. I think sports on my video games. Yeah, yeah. And football. Man, I didn't know he played for the Honshin Tigers.

They're my Japanese baseball team favorite only because Urusi Yatsura, the lead character of that Lum, who has tiger print bikini, she has done, they've made like mashup toys for her and the Hanshin Tigers. So. God, this is, uh, Frasier and Weeby stuff is happening on the same episode. Um, actually it's Urusei Yatsura. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Urusei. Uh, Arthur Fiedler. Yes. He was a conductor for the Boston Pops Orchestra. Died in 79. It's not really anything, but it's just like, this is something that Frazier and Niles would go to. They would go to the wake for a famous conductor because they are those kind of people.

So, I think I figured out, though, why they would call that unpleasantness. It is because they are such snobs that they would look down upon Arthur Fiedler as the conductor of the Boston Pops, because that is orchestral versions of pop songs, which a couple of snobs like the Terwilliger brothers would definitely look down upon. That is true. I assume something bad happened at the wake, but I also like that. Yeah, looked up arthur fielder on wikipedia there's this line that says fielder was sometimes criticized for over popularizing music that son of a bitch how dare he music is trendy these days it shouldn't be it's all thanks to fielder or fiedler i i love cecil's niles s delivery of like oh really because i've been living on mars

like it's just ultra snarkiness at bob is so great and in from the beginning you can hear him him say for me you'll be working for me he even says it there just so he lets bob knows what his place is and that is below his little brother bob gets released and the reaction from the town is very fitting because now he has tried to kill everyone in springfield he has not just tried to kill bart and crusty and the simpsons family but the entire city of springfield but this speech is wonderful by bob here How can you even think of releasing Sideshow Bob? He's just faking it to get out of jail. He's a maniac.

Bob is no maniac. He explained his reasons for trying to kill us all, and I assure you, they were perfectly sane. My friends, please. I make no secret of my past, but isn't our system of justice based on the idea that a man can change?

I have the boys check into that I know I don't deserve another chance But this is America And as an American, aren't I entitled to one? Probably Can't you find it in your heart just to let me live and work in peace? So that probably is David Hyde Pierce. That is my controversial thing here.

I think it sounds like Hank Azaria. Absolutely. Yeah, sorry, please go ahead. No, no, you were bringing it up. On the commentary, they say it's David Hyde Pierce. Yeah, they say on the commentary it's David Hyde Pierce. I had always believed that for the longest time, that it was that too.

And I bet he recorded it in the studio. But I think they wanted, they changed it and re-recorded it. I think on the commentary, Kelsey Grammer remembers that David Hyde Pierce recorded that probably. And Josh Weinstein is not going to interrupt the commentary to say, we actually re-recorded it with Hank Azaria. I want to say that there was a temp track because David Hyde Pierce was not there when they needed him to be, and he came in later to record his lines. Maybe Hank Azaria stood

in for certain things. And that is the take they use. He might have recorded probably, but if they were so close that someone couldn't tell and the editor couldn't tell, then maybe they just selected Hank on accident thinking it was David because it's three syllables. But to our trained ears, it definitely sounds like Hank Azaria. Nina, please, please weigh in on this. We're not crazy, right? I have opinions on this.

Probably. I feel like it's a Mandela effect because I knew that David Hyde Pierce wanted to do a background voice like that and they said that he did that. So in my head, I always remember David Hyde Pierce's voice saying that. But then when I rewatched it last night, I was like, that doesn't sound like David Hyde Pierce at all.

I'm thinking maybe it's him, but they pitched it up so it doesn't sound like Cecil. Well, I have it isolated. Oh my God, Henry. We're through the looking glass, people. So listen to this here and is this hank is area or is this david hyde pierce doing a voice because david hyde pierce could be doing a voice that isn't the standard voice you hear from him aren't i entitled to one probably aren't i entitled to one probably that's hank's area entitled to one probably that's hank'saria yeah sounds like hank it really does it but so my theory is that

david hyde pierce did record that but they went with a hank azaria one and they simply on the commentary did not correct kelsey grammar because he's their big famous guest or they they think it is david hyde pierce they could just be like it's one word it's probably him and the editor might have thought like oh this take is better is better. I won't tell them. Or this take is David Hyde Pierce, but it's actually Hank. I wish it was David Hyde Pierce. I could totally imagine him saying that one word. With so much energy.

It would have been funny. But that is so Hank's area on the track. We're going to talk to Bill Oakley soon. We're going to shake him by his lapels and say, tell us. Yeah, I want to hear the lost David Hyde Pierce track probably now. But in that sequence, there's two great sign gags or like text gags in it I love. One, the newspaper headline, Maniac to Live in Brother's Apartment. And the other one, Crime Yes, Criminals No.

Well, I like the sign gag before that, which is, please only visit your convict. Oh, that's a good one. I like your making mistakes yes so many great sign gags there they just go right by i this almost feels like foreshadowing for wiggum's uh disregard for the law but when he wants to check with the police that's that that's not what the prison system is for to rehabilitate people i love that line and it's great how quickly bob flips the crowd in fact in the shot of them leaving the prison in the car someone who's already painting proud home of sideshow bob on springfield sign like he immediately wins them over to the point where someone is painting that on the town sign uh then we get another great like

anti-mystery moment of bart you hear the classic Bob theme, the Cape fear theme, and it's Bart watching in horror. And you think the theme is for you, but it's like, it's about, it's not about how Bob got away with something. It's how Bart sees the whole situation.

That's why the music is playing. And then when he, he says that if only you could hear his internal, what he's thinking right now that's when you that should be the moment to the audience like no he's he's he's innocent these bob bob has no plans he's he's he's a changed man he's thinking about shampoo which i've never really i've never prized a shampoo so much that i would be sad if it went out of print i was gonna ask if like what kind of shampoo do you like, and do you care at all?

What kind of shampoo do you use, either of you? I do care. I will keep buying the same one. My shampoo of choice, if the listeners would like to know, is Head & Shoulders Straight Shampoo. You're just admitting you have dandruff now, Henry. No, I don't. Selsun Blue.

Are you shitting for them? Well, it's the green apple scent, too. I just like that. I like sc. Selsun Blue. Are you shilling for them? It's the green apple scent too. I just like that. I like scented shampoos. Bob? Fans of me know I have thick, luxurious hair, so only the best are my locks. And I use Aussie Mega Moist formula and conditioner. Mega Moist? Wow.

Nina, what about you since we're sharing shampoos here? Well, I have incredible horse strength hair, so it doesn't really matter, but I go with a treys ma line that adds weightless volume nice do you ever feel like indulging in like the really good stuff like the good shampoo and then you see the price you're like nah i'll stick to my three dollar bottle i i do get fancy haircuts uh when i get my haircut and they do use the good shampoo and it feels so good but it's also they try to sell it to you when you're done you're like that's

80 oh yeah that's 80 dollars i know they're trying to push that stuff on you they're like pushers still on you were cursed they gotta upsell you you gotta try this and this and this and i whenever i get my haircut which is not very often that's why it's so long they'll say like oh i'm gonna use this product in your hair and you'll be feeling really nice and i'm just like okay yeah yeah like i don't care because i don't even ask for uh hair drying or like ironing anymore because it's just gonna get messed up as soon as i wash it anyway it's just like time wasted i just want to get out of there once my haircut is done yeah i want to end all the small talk trying to explain what podcasts are talking that's the worst i have total salon anxiety yeah no that's why i get a haircut about once a year

i the last one was in december and uh my uh very effeminate hair cutter joked that he was shaving a wookiee when he was cutting my hair which i was like okay i've never seen you with really long hair you know i never get it is certainly not uh my hair can't compare to your length of hair, Nina. But I usually, I will go with it until it's past my shoulders. And at that point, I'm like, no, I just, because it's just wild. I don't do anything with my hair. I just let it get really long and just kind of push it to the sides out of my face. Actually, we're about to go recording this ahead of our LA podcast trip that you're going to hear it after we're back.

I am considering getting a haircut before the LA trip. Bob, do you think I should? Do it. Okay. At least before the live show. I've been thinking about cutting my hair. I feel like it's too long sometimes. Is it hard to deal with that kind of length?

It really is. I mean, people listening to this can't tell, but it goes down to nearly my butt. Wow. because like I mean people listening to this can't tell but it like goes down to nearly my butt wow yeah and um I like keeping it long because when I do uh when I do muay thai if my hair is short it's hard to keep it out of my face but if it's long I can just braid it all up in several braids and tie it back and that's perfect when it's shorter though it's it's harder that's the only thing keeping me from cutting it short sideshow bob should value his shampoo as well because he has quite a lot of hair yeah god uh so when we come back from the commercial break we basically get a scene from fraser which they are so upfront with it with a title card so i guess if you haven't seen fraser this would confuse you but every act begins with a title card with like a clever thing written on it now make yourself at home

perhaps a glass of bordeaux i have the 82 chateau de tour and a rather indifferent rose on segla i've been in prison cecil i'll be happy just as long as it doesn't taste like orange drink fermented under a radiator that would be to the tour then. That's just a scene from Frasier. It really is, yeah. And Ken Keeler... Super indulgent. Apparently,

Ken Keeler bought and read an entire book on wine to write that one joke and he proudly expensed it at the end of the year. That's funny. I'm not a wine guy.

I mean, hey, if you give me free wine, I'll drink it for sure. But my favorite wines are the ones that, much like beer beer are the ones that taste least like the thing they are like a rosé or chardonnay i like wine that tastes like dirt and wood i'm not even kidding super dry yeah yeah i'm not even kidding yeah i'm not super into the sweet stuff and i'm glad that i'm not snobby about wine i could drink an $11 bottle and that's totally fine with me.

I think a $100 bottle would be totally wasted on me. Pearls before swine. Yeah. No, that's how I felt at my mom's wedding to my stepdad a few years ago. She, one of her high school friends growing up, owns a napa valley winery and so she just she kind of catered the place with wine and just brought like a dozen or so bottles of their wine and that was the most i'd ever drank wine just to be like well it's all free and it's so good glug glug glug like i i like red wine fine enough but you know guys i have a sweet tooth compared to compared to you it's true like i

think i'm not a wine snob and I don't really drink wine that often, but I can definitely tell at this point the difference between a $15 bottle and, like, Carlo Rossi in a box or jug. But that's as far as it goes. Like, anything more than, like, $20, I just wouldn't know. Okay, I don't drink boxed wine. I did some wine research for this, actually. Oh, really?

So, yeah, Chateau Latour, 1982. I looked up how much that costs. Maybe it was less expensive back when this episode was made, but I saw it being priced at $1,730. Ooh, I'm guessing it was still pricey 20 years ago. Yeah, Chateau Latour, 2001 is $670. Still up there, but not as insane as nearly $2,000.

I looked up wine reviews. Man, there's so much purple prose in there. As you can imagine. Oh boy. Like the notes and the forward and all the mouthfeel. Spit it in a bucket when you're done. Yeah, they probably didn't even drink it. So the Chateau La Tour

1982, one of my favorite reviews was, one of my all-time favorite Bordeaux, massive but elegant, explosive but complex. In short, a paradox wrapped in an enigma. Oh my god. So this wine is Nelson? That's very similar to bad video game reviews I've read. It's so, they're the same. Okay, yeah, so I was also looking for

low-scoring reviews for wine to see what they're like. I couldn't find any for the Chateau Latour. I guess it's too premium. But the Chateau Rosan Segla, it's merely $105. So yeah, real prison wine there. And

on December 31st, 2012, DavidF90210 wrote 88 points lame oh man harsh harsh that's kind of the only review he left on the site i want that in a magazine just one word on the page lame uh yeah but it's 88 points out of 100 that's still pretty high yeah i guess it's 88 points out of a hundred that's still pretty high yeah i guess it's like game scores nah i just love the idea of upper class uh wine tastings being this high society thing when everyone's just spitting into a pail and i like a good wine tastings you just drink the wine like when my mom came out here we went to napa valley and my mom was like i can't eat i can't drink this much wine so she gave me all of her wine like halfway through the trip and i got fucking hammered oh my god it was a good wine it was good wine yeah

it was really good wine so um yeah are there a lot of wineries down there oh yeah like napa valley isn't too far from us and that's sort of like one of the more famous wine areas in america yeah though uh they technically can't make champagne because it's not from the champagne we've seen wayne's world yes yes okay but uh you know this is the first time i've thought thought about this headcanon here but how could cecil afford all that stuff on his salary i think he's been embezzling for a long time before this plan i don't know engineers make a lot of money i guess a lot but he has like a wine he has like a wine cellar in his apartment. It's also an

apartment in Springfield. I guess that's low on the totem pole. It's not like a high rise in Seattle where you can somehow see the Space Needle. That's impossible from where they are. It's like in Japan where everywhere you are you see Mount Fuji. Yep. And the Tokyo Tower. And some

Sakura trees no matter what season uh i gotta give credit to alf clausen too for that orchestration of a frazier style simpsons music was oh yeah that was perfect i wanted them to like draw the springfield skyline like how frazier does that with seattle and i found out cooling towers yeah i found out it's a different color every season they changed the color of the line I didn't know that wow I'm looking for all

Ukraine heads out there we had a quick cut to Bart praying for the death of Sideshow Bob which I agree with Homer but really Bart should turn to witchcraft if he wants

to pray for death don't don't don't ask God I agree we have another this are you saying kids turn to witchcraft, Henry? I'm just saying. I mean...

It gets better results. I fully endorse this plan. It is almost Halloween. It's okay to say things like that. Turn your back on God, listeners. So we have this amazing Bob and Cecil scene. I have in two parts here. Their dinner is amazing.

More Frasier fanfic. Well, I suppose I should ask you what you do if I'm to be working with you. For me, Bob. For me. I am Springfield's chief hydrological and hydrodynamical engineer. Hydrological and hydrodynamical. Talk about running the gamut. Snigger all you

like, Bob. Thank you. I believe I shall. But you'll find one gets more respect as a humble civil servant than as a homicidal maniac or a clown's sidekick. Aha! I knew it. You're still angry that Krusty picked me instead of you. I can't imagine what you mean. Oh, come now. You wanted to be Krusty's sidekick since you were five. What about the buffoon lessons? The four years at clown college?

I'll thank you not to refer to Princeton that way. The point is, you obviously still blame me for what happened at your audition. I forget we get, oh, come now. Oh, really? Not anymore. It's probably just straight up Frasier. Yeah, yeah. Now, this is exactly the, so many Frasier episodes have Niles saying, I don't know what you mean.

And then Frasier's like, oh, come on, you all remember what happened in seventh grade. And then we get amazing Sideshow Bob lore that was never explored before, which is another Oakley and Weinstein touch. Like, what is the story behind X? And they tell the story. I love that. I love Cecil, Alpha, Ing, Bob. And then we also get some more Ivy Leaguer-y here, which with Princeton. So we already had them bad-mouthing Yale because it's all Harvard writers writing the show. So they make Bob a Yale-y. Cecil also has to go to the Ivy League, but he has to go to the one.

Like Princeton is jealous of Yale and Yale is jealous of Harvard. But like Harvard is the top. So Princeton is just, there has to be one rung below Yale there. And so I, I think Princeton is a very clever choice. And, uh, I,

at least according to the wikis, uh, maybe Nina can confirm this or not for me in the Frazier verse. Huh? Niles is a Yale graduate and went to Cambridge in England. And then meanwhile, Frazier went to Harvard. So that is their background

in the Frazierverse. Yeah, I think you're right. I think that's one of the reasons why Niles looks down on Frazier. Well, because he went to, I mean, there's American Ivy League and then there's going to an English, like being a Rhodes Scholar.

That's above the Ivy League. Ivy is so much higher quality over there. They've been growing it longer. But God, I'm calling Princeton Clown College. I love that. And the buffoon lessons. And in the flashback to how Bob got hired by Krusty,

we do see a nice older grab for a character. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner, and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You see, our new net zero hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels, and much more. Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, your home cozier, and your world brighter. Find our net zero hub at electricireland.ie. There's Miss Penny Candy, Krusty's formerly kind of heartbroken assistant who's sort of

pining for him, but he's very difficult with her. The lost secretary, Miss Penny Candy. And God knows the last time she appeared. Probably, boo, boo. I have no idea. They might have done a whole episode about her at this point god i think they just secretly killed her off maybe maybe lisa the beauty queen i think she might be in the background of bark gets famous okay yeah but not speaking well okay so she was in bart the fig she did appear there

and in i guess she was at the funeral that's where penny candy was silently and she's silent here too she also oh i think she dates apu in the two miss nahasa pima pedalons when he's uh on his uh raw dog and bitch oh that was disgusting i'm sorry so when when oh henry but when, Oh, Henry. And, uh, and then in GI annoyed grunt, that was her most recent appearance, which, uh, what season was that? And she's in the Simpsons movie.

I'm sure she's like, just, it's, it was, that was 12 years ago. I don't think any of these are speaking roles, by the way. I think her last speaking role was crusty gets canceled.

I don't remember her dating a poo at all. Or she maybe was just in the audience of, of single women glaring at mo that could also be he could be but yes it was a nice poll and also for some reason uh a guy that looks like bobby the dean from homer goes to college is really i think they just were pulling random characters that guy that guy looks cool let's let's get him in this he looks like he'd be a network guy who'd approve of a person applying so the flashback is so great i i love also they cut into it with cecil's whimpering which really lets you appreciate his face and like how he looks related to bob but

he has his own specific features to his glowering face like i love his kind of upturned crescent nose crescent moon nose to bob's kind of like more waterfall type nose i'd say his design is so good and it's obviously based off David Hyde Pierce. Yes. But it works so well for some reason. I mean, Sideshow Bob looks nothing like Kelsey Grammer, but somehow they made Sideshow look somewhat like David Hyde Pierce, and it just works so well.

I had read that David Hyde Pierce was first just hired just because he looks like he would be Kelsey Grammer's brother. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. You have thinning hair too. Frasier doesn't have or didn't have a brother in Cheers lore. Like he said, he was an only child. They weren't planning on a brother character at all for Frasier. But then the casting director found David Hyde Pierce and she brought a photo of him

and was like, we got to use this guy as a brother or something. I mean, look at him. And they were like, oh oh my god it looks just like kelsey grammar and that's how they they created the character of niles in cheers lore isn't his dad dead and they hit he has a child with uh lilith frederick still exists in the he's a deadbeat dad oh he is he does say that his dad is dead uh at one point in cheers but they also uh explain that in fraser uh when uh sam malone visits seattle and they do a whole episode about him he sees fraser's dad and says i thought you

said he was dead and fraser said like oh we had an argument that day i like i see they they care about their own reality there they talk their way out of it but the brother thing was totally retcon they didn't explain that at all i didn't realize until doing some phrasal research this time that how humorously they named the episodes when a cheers character would come back i think they just called them the story where sam returns or the one or comes to town like they they were just up front about it like okay we're trying to goose the ratings with this with a cheers guest appearance it's just over and over again what they're trying to do i'm sure you guys brought this up but uh in fear of flying it's so weird when they had that whole cheer scene but they didn't have kelsey

grammar yeah that was odd i'm sure they could get a maybe just like well it'd be weird to have sideshow bob's voice coming out of another character that's true it's by the way fraser as a show does exist in the simpsons universe is there are they watching it oh yeah the dog from fraser's gonna ride the dolphin from sequels oh my god from uh the boy who knew too much wow man and in a future episode i don't know which season but i think uh homer says something like he says such a bob sounds just like fraser from cheers fraser from fraser and uh fraser from down paris no not frazier whatever sergeant from down periscope wow man i not that's one of the bob episodes i have not seen i wonder if bob

and cecil have seen frazier and we're kind of weirded out like they look just like us that's that's an episode where the simpsons get a next door neighbor who looks just like bob and bart is convinced that he's Sideshow Bob in disguise, but the family won't believe him. I haven't watched it. I just saw it when I looked it up. I love everything about this flashback here. Thanks for driving me, big brother.

These giant clown mitts are extremely hilarious, but they do make it difficult to shift gears. That's the title of Irma Bombeck's latest, isn't it? Number 73, you're next. Make with a laugh laugh. Hey, children, meet me, Sideshow Cecil. Next. I have prepared a pie in the face take. All right, knock yourself out, kid. Hal? Free comedy tips, Lick. The pie gag's only

funny when the saps got dignity. Like that guy. Hey, Hal, pie job for Lord Autumnbottom there. Oh, dear. That guy's a genius. He's going to change the way we think about getting hit by pies.

Chumley, you're hired. When that pie hit your face, I saw my dreams explode in a burst of cream and crust. But I suppose I should thank you. After all, it led me to my true calling. Cecil, no civilization in history has ever considered chief hydrological engineer a calling Yes, yes, the Cappadocian's fine So season 8 is teaching us a lot about the word dignity and how important it is Dignity! But what does it look like?

I think I've seen that Simpson shitpost of him saying If he's got dignity like that guy And then it points to Kirk with the dignity picture. So Bob references Irma Bombeck, and she was a humor columnist. She's been dead for about 24 years now, but she was sort of like a Dave Barry type, writing humorous columns that collected in books, and the books would have names like, if life is a bowl of cherries, what what am i doing in the pits and the grass is always greener over the septic tank um there you go that's some peggy hill isms right there i think a lot of peggy hill's musings were based on herma bombeck actually uh all i know about behavior i learned in loman's dressing room yeah yeah that's our animal behavior i didn't do it justice r.i.p erma bombeck i can see why uh bob terwilliger looks down on it i just want to call him fraser in this episode to see why fraser looks down on erma bombeck but the this origin is great like it is pulled from those classic

stories you hear in hollywood of like a person who is cast in a role was just somebody's friend who came to the audition and they're not the real at there they weren't even planning to play this classic character that you would think i i there was a similar story about that with like woody harrelson being cast as woody that's right and that's the uh the star of grizzly man that guy timothy treadwell almost was cast in that same part and not getting that part and losing it to woody harrelson is part of what drove him to become a quote-unquote animal expert and woody harrelson still not eaten by a bear yet yep uh and joel hodgson mystery science theater stole hodgson could have played woody but he didn't want to do any sitcoms oh yeah people

were shopping him around in the early 80s like this guy's hot let's let's get him in a sitcom but he didn't want to be Woody. He could have been. You know, there were sitcoms to be on than Cheers. But then he'd have been that forever and he wouldn't have had his own thing. It's true, yeah. I'm Mr. Science Theater in that universe. By the way, there's a story that my friend and Simpsons comics writer Ian Boothby really should tell.

But when he was a teenager, he auditioned for a Canadian show, like a small part in that show. And this guy wasn't his friend, but this other guy got the part. It was between him and this other guy. And the other guy got the part. And that guy's name was Keanu Reeves. Oh, wow. Wow.

What Canadian show? I guarantee it was on Nickelodeon in the 80s. Hanging In. Wow. 1984. That's a little different. I guarantee it was on Nickelodeon in the 80s. Hanging In. Wow. Team Client, 1984. That's when I was born. That was one of the shows Nickelodeon didn't buy from Canada to put on the air. Yeah, I guess so.

I was thinking it was You Can't Do That on Television, but no, I didn't know. Keanu Reeves being on that show would have been a trivia thing I'd know by this point. I would recall him getting slimed. I don't know. Everyone knows about Alanis Morissette. The Canadian accents on those shows, when I rewatched any clips of it, the Canadian accents on it are wild.

I don't know how I never noticed them as a kid. I don't notice those things. It's hard for me to pick out Canadian accents until an American points it out and I listen closely. I'm like, yeah, I guess I can kind of hear a slight difference from my American friends like do you think I have a Canadian accent oh yeah

really I do I mean maybe our listeners can weigh in but there are some there are some like vowel shifts I'm detecting I'm not offended I have no idea what I sound like I heard a little in your story in the earlier in the episode oh yeah I've been made fun of that before.

You're right. Not by you guys. By other people. My cool American friends. How do you say the word H-O-U-S-E? House. There you go. What?

I just said house. No, you said it right. The correct American way. Really? I like too that you see that Show bob when he gets cast you see the hate that will eventually lead him to framing crusty the clown but the adulation and positivity that first made him take the job you're like so this is why bob did the job for as long as he did though he eventually will come to hate it so much that he frames crusty the clown for armed robbery yeah i mean before

this it was you would always think, why would Bob be in this role? He's clearly not fit for this role. But now you see, this really fills, like, what's the last puzzle piece in, I guess, for Bob? I actually did know who the Cappadocians were when this episode aired.

What? Well, it was because thanks to good old tabletop role-playing games. Oh my god. Inquerade, one of the vampire clans, aka races you play in the game, is the Cappadocians. And they are known for being some of the oldest and most deathly looking of vampires that have the biggest trouble fitting in in normal human society. But boy, can they build a canal. They've got a lot of old magic, that's their thing. Not water-based, though, I won't say.

Were they based on the actual Cappadocians at all? Yes, they're meant to be. They're called that because they are a clan of vampires who have been alive since that time and were part of that old civilization i feel like a jock right now wait so can you tell us a bit about the cabot oceans well i i more so played as nosferatu the masquerade i mean real cabot oceans oh no i know nothing about that apparently this is accurate uh they had to find a civilization that would actually have built waterways and canals and stuff like that. So they did research. Ken Keeler, I'm sure, was cracking the books, expensing war books.

They were known for making tons of underground cities, apparently. Cappadocia is a region in Turkey, or what we now know as Turkey. And one of their bigger cities goes down 60 meters. And it was built large enough to hold 20 000 people wow it's insane yeah it had things like like capitals and stables and wine presses even that really is a calling man and you can visit the city too if you go there i think like half of it is like off limits but still if you want to give a visit like a crazy underground society there's no one living there right now i I think. Except for the mole people.

But we can talk about this sometime. We can have our next live show there. By the way, the Vampire of the Masquerade, isn't that the one where you fight with

rock, scissors, paper? No, no. You use ten-sided die in this one. It's not a rock, paper, scissors. Well, maybe in LARPing, but this was tabletop. Oh, I was thinking

the LARPing version. Yeah, I think in LARPing you have to use rockop. Oh, I was thinking the LARPing version. Yeah, I think in LARPing, you have to use rocks as paper when you fight. Yeah, you can't really roll dice in LARPing. I never LARPed, I will say that. Not that I'm judging. Sorry, I thought you were a LARPing vampire. No, no, it was a tabletop RPG. I had a character sheet and my bag of ten-sided dice.

Because I was going to say, if you're the Cappadocian in Vampire the Masquerade, could you only use rock? Good old rock. Nothing beats that. Back to the Simpsons. Well, so, we get another great scene of Bob finding out what his job is. There it is.

The future site of the Springfield Hydroelectric Dam. Just the thought of all that raw, surging power makes me wonder why the hell I should care. Because you'll be supervising the construction crew. Oh, great. Whenever a woman passes by, I suppose it will be my job to lead the hooting. Oh, yeah. Shake it, madam. Capital knockers. Come on, Bob. This is your chance to show the people of Springfield you can hold down an honest job. He's planning something evil. I know it.

Must have something to do with the town's water supply. Maybe he's going to pee in the river. Nah, that's not his style. Who is that? What? It's Bart Simpson. Hello, Bart. He's just a little shy because I've tried to kill him so many times.

I really enjoy that line reading from Milhouse. It's just one line in the entire episode, he just screams it. So maybe he's going to pee in the river. Had to give it his all. Speaking of only having one line, so we just recorded Great School Confidential not too long ago, and Homer is barely in it. Homer's barely in this one, too. Yeah.

They just get a few jokes out of him. It's kind of funny to see how much self-control they have that Homer doesn't take the show over. It's a rare one nowadays when Captain Wacky doesn't completely take it over. But I also love Cecil's quick, like, just is like, I understand. Why the hell I should care? I love that. That's very much a nihilism. Yeah, nihilism.

Nihilism, not nihilism. That's different. Yeah. And we can't pass up capital knockers. Capital knockers. Shake it, madam. I love Milhouse's reply, too, because it shows you why Bart and Lisa don't invite him on their mysteries. Because they're just like, this is why you don't get to come.

You have nothing helpful to say. We head back to the Pimento Grove last seen in A Fish Called Selma. By the way, before we go on to that, have you ever been to a hydroelectric dam? I have driven by the Hoover Dam, but I did not go inside it for a tour. Even though I always dreamed of it after watching Beavis the Butthead do America but I did not go inside it for a tour, even though I always dreamed of it after watching Beavis the Butthead do America. I am not. It's not too far from you. The Hoover Dam? Relatively.

I mean, it's a drive. It's a bit of a drive. But yeah, it's not too far. Have you? I've taken a tour of the Hoover Dam. It was okay. I've also been to Niagara Falls and that place is crazy

because like you get up there and there's so much static electricity in the air your hair stands on its end I want to check that out that sounds the next time I'm in upstate New York I'm going to check that out I was only on the Canadian side apparently the American side is better

I don't know how it's better I just hear from people like oh yeah the American side is better. Really? I didn't know there was a difference. I don't know how it's better. I just hear from people like, oh, yeah, the American side is so much better. You can bring your gun. Not from Americans, but Canadians as well. There's more stuff to do, I guess. Bring your gun. That was good. Fire at the falls.

Apparently, the American side gets more electricity as well. That's us. We're taking the lion's share. We claim the good side of the falls. All the jerks are on the other side. But yeah, the Pimento Grove, it's the Olive Garden of Springfield. Oh, come on. The Olive Garden?

No, well, I mean just in name. Pimento, Olive Grove. Oh, okay. Got it, got it. Oh, is that what it's a play on? That's what I always say. A grove is a garden and a pimento is an olive. That makes sense, Henry, but it's such not an Olive Garden restaurant.

You're right. It's supposed to be a little ritzier than that but no the name that's why it's called that it's a classier version oh you're right okay now it all makes sense we've unlocked it all yeah and then edna krabappel is the hottest gal in town and you only get one shot at her which uh she's she's a little roz-esque here too as well that she's just like you know she enjoys a healthy sex life, and people judge her for that, which they shouldn't be. I don't believe that you only get one shot with her, though. I mean, Lionel Hutz had at least two, right? He's a smooth talker.

Yeah. He's the law-talking guy. I also like that Edna was so excited about the date with Bob that she tells all the class about it and even where they're going. And that, yeah, Bart is getting a bit intense here with him chasing after Bob. But I mean, it makes sense. He's tried to kill him five times. It's a fun role reversal where the viewer is supposed to think, well, now Bart is the one who's stalking Bob and Bob is innocent. But again, the curveball has not been thrown yet. I think this next segment here, I think it's line of the episode, don't you think? Yeah, it's all

so good. And I say this Bob line every day. His reading is so great. That's the joke. Hello, brother. All's well, I trust? It most certainly is not. The workmen you've given me don't know their asses from the hole in the ground

they accidentally blew yesterday. Come now, you speak as if they were a gaggle of slack-jawed yokels. Mr. Terwilliger, come quick. There's trouble down to the cement mixer, sir. See, Cousin Merle and me was playing fetch with Geach. That's our old smell

hound. And... Geach gone to heaven, Mr. Terwilliger. Oh, Cousin Merle, really. Temper, temper. You know Cousin Merle ain't been quite right lately. I'm telling you, Cecil, I can't take much more of this. Rustic workmen who've turned the Sanijan into a smokehouse.

Coveralls that don't quite cover all. And a psychotic little boy who will not stop hounding me this little boy right here sometimes i wish this dam would burst and bury this cursed town oh god yeah so the mix of a high and low class my favorite line of the show is oh cousin merle really i say that to all everyone at all times every day when i when i'm outraged about something or disappointed. That's like the best line to say in a Kelsey Grammer voice. Yeah. It's the perfect reaction of just like,

of barely contained rage in a person who's failed you. He calls him Cousin Merle. Cousin Merle. I'm surprised Cousin Merle never came back. Engage, don't go to to heaven Mr. Twillager Also is it cement or cement Which is the right pronunciation It's cement but it's a real

Beverly Hillbillies touch They called their swimming pool the cement pond That's right Dribble down to the cement mixture It's also just great that they Never before had a scene between Bob and Slack John Yokel Eccles. They're so funny together.

He's trapped with these low-class dudes who have their butts exploding out of their pants. They're smoking meat in the porta-potty, which sounds disgusting. That's part of Cecil cheaping out on the construction. Oh, you know what? You're right. It all makes sense according to his plan. Just the lowest skilled workers. disgusting oh that's part of cecil uh cheaping out on the construction oh you know what you're right it all it all makes sense according to his plan just yeah the lowest skilled workers and also if his plan is to torture his brother who he hates surround making him work directly with all these slack john yokels definitely works there too he knows he's driving bob crazy it's all it's all an

intricate design by cecil to to really hurt his brother there it sees he is quite the super villain in this episode as far as we know cecil isn't on site much yeah he's just bob he's just collecting that money leaving it up to bob leaving it in an open briefcase in the office that's his one failing as a planner it's a real uh landly thing i don't know why i keep this lying around i was gonna say he didn't draw out his That's his one failing as a planner It's a real Lyle Landley thing I don't know why I keep this lying around I was going to say he didn't draw out his plans At least he's lying Lyle Landley

That's his Princeton education Coveralls that don't quite cover all Cover all And the sproing on it makes it even funnier Why was he not wearing any underwear? He's too simple for that. He wouldn't wear, he ran out undies. He doesn't have any.

And again, on the commentary, whenever they see an ass, they lament that they can't show an ass anymore. This is recorded freshly after the Janet Jackson nipple gate that scandalized American broadcast television. That single line that creates the ass crack is very obscene. Oh, it's so disgusting. And also just their geech, their old smell hound. That is so funny. Smell hound. The poor, it's so funny, you forget to feel sad that a dog is dead.

Yeah, I normally don't like animal cruelty jokes, but it is so outlandish and the stuff surrounding it is so hilarious. I try to see if there's any case of a dog being covered in cement or concrete i couldn't find anything i found a cat covered in concrete the cat's okay don't worry what really they shaved him yeah oh okay well good apparently but they found him just in time he became an even stronger stone cats no man can defeat they need grant which i think is from granite uh so bart and lisa are not giving up on their search though bart tricks are thinking they're gonna go to dairy queen which as somebody who likes to talk about dragon quest on twitter every time i tweet about dq somebody's

like i like dairy queens well i'm like i get it it's i'm tired of getting these dairy queen jokes replies to my Dragon Quest. As long as you're not one of those freaks who calls it Drakwe. Drakwe? No! We're in America, Henry! What about the people who would call it Dragon Warrior? Oh, well, they can go to hell.

Bob, it's not just the weeby choice, but calling it Drakwe prevents people from saying Dairy Queen to you. I will say there is a Simpsons reference in Dragon Quest XI. I haven't gotten to this yet. There is? When you try to steal, one of the sound effects that plays is the guy going yoink.

Oh, that's great. Oh, man. Nina, you play Final Fantasy XIV. Every third quest is a Simpsons reference, right? Oh, yeah. It's so great. I love the localizers of Final Fantasy XIV. They have so many good references in there.

So many obscure Simpsons references. One of them is just like, one of them I think is called like Dial R for Regicide. Yes, that's my favorite one. I was going to bring that up. Yeah. Oh, so good. Final Fantasy XV has a first annual Montgomery Burns Award

for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence. Really? Wow. Finally, our people are writing localizations. When I worked on a localization project, I did put Simpsons lines in it. This podcast is all about the overlap of the Venn diagram of Weebs and Simpsons fanatics. That's what this show is. I try to cram in Simpsons references whenever I can. Actually, do you know the process of applying to be a localizer for Final Fantasy XIV?

Not just that, but any Square Enix localization job. You got to know a guy? No, you have to write essentially a fanfic. That's part of the process. Because you want to know if you can write prose well. Interesting. Or how well you know the lore. Because that is important knowledge when localizing this stuff.

I actually recently made some Dragon Quest XI Simpsons memes. Oh, neato. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've been retweeting those. The slime slots and how incomprehensible it is. The Dragon Quest XI also has incredible localization.

Like, there's a town that only speaks in haikus. It's crazy. I made a Dragon Quest XI Simpsons meme about the horrible music in the game. It's a reference to the Here are two It's like here are two town themes But there are a dozen towns in this game Here are two town themes

That's better I love that This is the less popular of the two that I made But one of the ones I made was The whole family shouting at Marge Doing the Rubik's Cube And they're saying Spin the middle slime goo eyes oh boy but uh in this case we're talking about dairy queen

and uh if the scene before this wasn't line of the episode this would be line of the episode for me madam your children are no more than a pair of ill-bred troublemakers. Lisa, too? Especially Lisa. But especially Bart. If he crosses me one more time, just once more, well, I can't be held responsible for my actions.

Well, I hope Bob fed you because I ate your dinners. I know it's hard to accept, Bart, but face it. Sideshow bob has changed no he hasn't he's more the same than ever and i know where the evidence is there's only one place it could possibly be bob's trailer at the construction site that's even better let's go there what were you thinking the haunted mine god kelsey grammar is like choking on it's not like especially but i love that line so

much i referenced that a lot actually uh especially after this especially after this episode came out um i would say especially this but especially something else and that's one of those things that makes you sound like a crazy person if they don't know what you're talking about why are you saying it that way this person doesn't know how to use the word especially ken keeler was saying uh that the page, it makes no sense. It all comes out in the reading. So they were happy Kelsey Grammer got it. But we missed one ultra deep reference.

So when Bart and Lisa are rummaging through the dumpster, guess what, folks? It's not a dumpster. It's a Trash Co. waste disposal unit. Dumpster rain is top of the line. And Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein are huge season three fans. So Trash Co co is prominently displayed on the dumpster that's amazing isn't that great i totally missed that you're right you're sorry it's the first time i caught that i was like they wouldn't just put trash co on that

for any other reason it's the green design the same as the auto was living in too wow so uh cecil's also buying inferior waste disposal units to throw the garbage away in. No, I might have drawn a dumpster, or not, a garbage disposal unit in a Bongo comic once. And I probably put Trashco on there. You've got to put Trashco on any kind of waste disposal unit. People need to know that dumpster is a brand name, people. It's not the name of it. Respect brand names i had

this conversation with british people about how they call like a band-aid a plaster and i told them like no you call it by the most popular product that the thing is that's what you call it you don't call it a plaster come on don't stop saying cello tape it's weird yeah come on it's scotch tape let's all make fun of the Scottish together. Yeah, scotch tape. It's cheap. Just like scotch people. I don't get pedantic over brand name versus generic name,

but I do find it weird how the South calls pop Coke, no matter what it is. It's the same way of thinking. That's how we did in South, though. I don't drink soda so i did not have cause to order a coke because i wasn't drinking it anyway wait a minute nina did you say pop no i you said pop it's on the recording uh no this has been recorded yes i thought we had a nice chat about this episode no no no this is all being monetized but uh did

they say pop in canada yeah we say that up here okay okay yeah i had to get that out of my vocabulary because i was ridiculed for saying oh really i don't know if it's all of canada it might just be a bc thing in ohio it's definitely pop interesting yeah bart and lisa do some investigating which this is one of the silliest parts not just the way sideshow bob says something the way no one would ever say something of like your children are no more then a couple yeah same with like there's no reason for him to bust into his own trailer so angrily that's great i love that they don't explain at all and he just calmly opens the door lights are on yeah i well he seems to be mad of like who's in here but i guess he's kind of at the end of his rope.

He's had a very tough like month working on this dam, I guess. And it is funny. He does have anger issues. He really does. And at the end of one of the investigation scenes, Bart promises Lisa they'll go to a water slide. And they kind of do at the end of this episode. It's true.

Bart was as good as his word. Bob catches Bart and Lisa and he ch chases after them who left the lights on who's in here cleetus cousin merle big hungry joe i think you may have spotted us you too be careful there's hydroelectricity in there It's nice of Bob to warn them It's showing that he is reformed

Big hungry Joe That's another great reading Everything sounds great when Kelsey Grammer says it Any relation to mumbly Joe? Mumbly Joe They're both of the kind of horse apples type guys What about big shirtless Ron? Big shirtless Ron And Big Shirtless Ron.

And the second helping boys, too. Well, we never saw Big Hungry Joe. It's just a name. And Pete Michaels and his team does an amazing kind of, I don't want to say Scooby-Doo style chase, but it's just such a great chase scene of them running from every direction possible. It's very MC escher style staircases going all over the place so many good layouts that you only see for a second each and that

action version of bob's theme song is so good yeah and i love the one the one like two second shot of bob's head popping up into the frame as bart and lisa run behind it's very it is very scooby-doo silly yeah i feel like hard days night should be yeah i could see that i wonder if they had like a licensed song there and then instead of yeah no let's just go with this. You need the classic Bob theme. And so he corners them without intending to he corners them in a threatening manner. Give it up Bob we found the money. Where did that come from? I've never seen that money before in my life. Then you must have had your eyes closed when you embezzled it. I told you, I'm not a criminal anymore. You want to know what I've been up to? Here's a clue for you, Jack. 100,000 tons of reinforced concrete.

It's completely hollow. What happened to all the concrete? You cut back on building materials and kept all the money for yourself. That's what happened. Get him, Lise! I love that. It's like a Batman cue, very briefly. And Bob just holds her back gently. Yeah, Lise attempted to punch Bob there.

It's basically me when my usual Muay Thai partners are around. And of course to fight someone a foot taller than me it's very Spaceballs I always reference that or when Mr. Burns is fighting that big guy and he says you're going down my friend I'm going to talk about me fighting people oh that's funny

but my theory for this episode is the first time I'm watching this my theory is Bob breaking the dam is what caused it to explode later him like just pounding the concrete and then realizing it's all cheap and falling apart that is like the catalyst that caused it all to break so secretly it was bob that flooded the town wow i never thought of it that way i like that because i feel like it would have obviously that dam was only going to stay functional for like days maybe weeks, if it was completely hollow.

You know, as part of his plan, if he employed all those hillbillies, they won't ask questions about how obviously this is not a complete dam and there's no concrete in there. It works there, too. Yeah, I think that he just had to show off. And I love his line, too, of just telling Bart off, like, here's a clue for you, Jack. He drops the upper class sensibilities. And then we get Cecil's dramatic reveal, which he is loving this here. Let's stop bickering and get out of here. This dam could collapse at any minute.

One minute past sunrise, to be precise. Cecil? Once I blow up the dam, there'll be no evidence of missing concrete, and I walk away with 15 million. But everyone will know you did this. Perhaps. Or perhaps they'll blame the master criminal. You know, the one who's been working at the dam and has a grudge against Springfield? Now, I know Cousin Merle has had his troubles with the revenuers, but he's happy with how it's the money. Speaking of which, hand it over. I love how proud of himself he is about this. It's his first real evil scheme, and he's happy with how it's going off. Anytime Niles had the smallest success in Frasier, he was just as smug.

So it really fits. Not only does he brag about it, but he also, like, he's pointing a gun at children, which is a real line for Cecil to cross. He's fine with murdering them. Like, that's just how evil he is. I know. I was like, I guess he has no qualms

about children like ending up in his family revenge plot. That's how evil he is. He might be more evil than Sideshow Bob even. I think he should have started off with lesser evil

because he's really just going in full bore on this and he's going too far. Like, I think this is his first evil plan to date.

And he's doing pretty good at it. His scale, the scale of his first evil plan is much bigger than doing pretty good at it his scale the scale of his first evil plan is much bigger than bob just framing somebody for armed robbery by the way when you watch this episode did you suspect cecil at all no no way this was a surprise for me i don't think so but i remember that that uh maris joke being in the commercials so i mean in retrospect i would give

it away like why would Bart be doing this to the brother but I think they did keep it a secret for the most part but the Maris joke was too good and of the moment to not put in a commercial so they had to leave that in there yeah I've been watching Simpsons season 8 in in Japanese for reasons so I watched this

in Japanese and the episode titles were different and this one is called the man who fooled Sideshow Bob and it's huge So I watched this in Japanese and the episode titles were different. And this one is called The Man Who Fooled Saisho Bob. Spoilers. And it's huge spoilers. But it is like we were making jokes in DMs. It's like it is the very anime tradition of spoiling what happens in the episode. It's so true.

Presumably you've read the Simpsons manga ahead of time years ago. You know what's going to happen. They just did that on My Hero Academia where they're like the name of the next episode is the big three appear i was like i think i would have rather been surprised by the appearance of the apparently very crucial to the plot characters of the big three anime openings always spoil things too like if it's a series that hinges on the characters finding uh other characters who join their cause you see all of them in the opening right away. Yeah, in MHA, they do that every time. In the season, I'm like,

well, he hasn't fought that guy yet from the opening. When's he going to fight him already? Or JoJo. Well, I think with the JoJo anime, they just assume everyone's watched, has read the JoJo comic in Japan. So we'll give away everybody becomes friends and they join up with each other.

Has anyone done an anime style Simpsons opening yet? Oh, I'm sure. I've seen like steamed hams as the Evangelion opening. I'm sure it's happened. I'll have to look that up. So he abandons them. And I also do love this just as a concept too, that Bart and Lisa team up with Sideshow Bob to solve a crime is such a cool

inversion, which is season seven and eight, Bill Oakley, Weinstein, Josh Weinstein. They're all about inversion inversions of the Simpsons tropes at this point. And this is such a major moment here. I forgot to mention, I'm planning to blow up the dam with you inside. Well, obviously, such a major moment here. Ta!

I forgot to mention, I'm planning to blow up the dam with you inside. Well, obviously. Oh, it's hopeless. Utterly, utterly hopeless. Oh, I see. When it's one of my schemes, you can't foil it fast enough.

But when Cecil tries to kill you, it's hopeless. Utterly, utterly hopeless. Well, if you kids aren't going to foil him, I'll have to do it myself. So they jam a piece of timber or whatever, lumber rather, into the turbine. They go down the slide. It's, you know, it's almost too underplayed, the moment of Bart accepting to trust Bob. Where he's like, what the hell? Like, instead of saying...

Well, it's very fast-paced. Yeah, it's true. It's true. They had to really speed it up. But then when they go through it, this is just a very short clip, but Yardley's voice acting here, I love so much. This is kind of my line of the show. Let's go again.

Let's go again. No! Come on, children. Let's go thwart my brother i'm on the top of the world looking down down on creation and the only explanation i can find yeah i think my favorite some of my favorite simpsons lines are yes and no. Yes. And no! That Lisa is completely out of breath. But she's shocked the part even says that.

So she has to go like, no! It's a super happy, fun slide. Actually, this trope of the heroes team up with the villains to go up against a greater evil is one of my favorite tropes. I don't know what they call it, but that's also one of the reasons why i love maximum carnage spider-man teams up with carnage and his offsprings i don't know why i just like that so much it's a classic it's also very anime but i guess it's just sort of like uh the hero of a thousand faces just like it's on every story yeah well in say classic manga and anime like dragon

ball i think in those cases it was like akira toriyama just likes the old villain so much that in every story. Yeah, well, in, say, classic manga and anime like Dragon Ball, I think in those cases it was like Akira Toriyama just likes the old villains so much that once they're defeated he doesn't want to get rid of them.

So it's like, well, Piccolo should just keep hanging around. He's not going to win any more fights because everybody's power leveled over him. He can be a good

babysitter, though. He is the best dad. Piccolo's the best dad. Vegeta and Piccolo are my two favorite Dragon Ball characters. Maybe that's why, because of the whole villains team with the best dad. Piccolo is the best dad. Vegeta and Piccolo are my two favorite Dragon Ball characters. Maybe that's why, because of the whole villains team of the heroes thing. They're like the ultimate examples.

I think so, yeah. I love Piccolo. Piccolo Jr., to be specific. So Henry wants to talk about the Carpenters. Yeah, well, I mean, Bob, me too. So the Carpenters, the brother and sister musical team, I love them so much. And this is Cecil singing their classic song, Top of the World, which Bob has a little clip here. explanation i can't find is the role that i've found ever since you've been around

okay i love the carpenters so much like unironically they their music just it's so poppy and fun but also and then you can think of all the darkness behind it. They're so tinged with melancholy and sadness, but sung in a poppy way. I mean, the life of Karen Carpenter is a very sad one, and it comes through in her music, which is though trying to sound peppy and happy. Like one of their most popular songs about Yesterday Once More is just about how depressed she is listening to the radio. But David Hyde Pierce, they just asked him to sing something, ad-lib something like, you know, you're whistling, you're humming, you're singing a tune

while you're unfurling this fuse. And that's what he chose. So I don't know if they had to clear that or what. They probably had to pay something. It's enough of it. I feel like you got to pay money. But you're a big Carpenters fan too,ina no actually um i don't know not that i hate them or anything i just don't know much about them i do know this song very well though because the carpenters has they've been popular in japan for decades yes for some reason especially this song last time i was in japan uh 2016 in kyoto like i was walking around and off in the distance I heard the Cutie Honey theme song So I followed that sound And this is a normal occurrence

In Japan by the way So I followed it and came across a band outside a department store Performing all kinds of famous retro anime songs I was like oh this is cool I'll watch this for a while I was watching and I recorded some Of their performance and then they did Top of the World for some reason.

It has something to do with anime. I think it was used as an opening for a drama series once. Yeah, Japan just loves it. It's like a karaoke staple. I guess they find it easy to sing because it's slow enough and it's easy to pronounce the words. Yeah. And this whole episode, I was wondering how Japanese viewers felt about it because it's so Frasier heavy

and Frasier has been brought to Japan it's called Soria naize Frasier in Japanese which Lucy translated as what are you talking about Frasier or get out of here Frasier I don't know why they called it that to make it sound wackier I guess

so I was wondering what do Japanese viewers get out of this episode because some of the references I don't know why they called it that to make it sound wackier, I guess. So I was wondering, man, what do Japanese viewers get out of this episode? Because some of the references were just taken out entirely, like the whole marriage thing. So I bet the viewers in Japan were delighted when Setsuo started singing Top of the World.

They were like, ah, I get that reference. So in the Japanese version, does Frazier call Niles like Niles Nissan or Niles Kun? How does that work? Oh, I think he just says Sessilu. Yeah, I think Cecil calls him Nissan. Oh, I meant in the Japanese version of Frasier.

Oh, I've not watched Japanese Frasier. If I could find a copy, I would love to. I have a feeling they didn't dub it, though. I want to hear how Frasier sounds like in Japanese, though. No, they did dub it. I found the dub actors on Wikipedia. Oh, whoa. Now, the Carpenters Japan thing, I was thinking of that immediately, too, because I've watched

multiple videos on YouTube that are Carpenters concerts in Japan. They're selling out Budokan. They're huge. And when I've been in Japan on a couple of like vacations i've heard it just played in you know mall settings and stuff or just over the radio and when i go to karaoke rooms there they have much deeper list of carpenter songs than i get in american ones because i like i want to sing goodbye to love and that song's not at american ones but same with weezer there's way more weezer songs i've seen at tokyo karaoke rooms than i've seen at san francisco i want to sing the

weezer b-sides of karaoke they're never there so just this just in everybody yeah our crack research team hi it's me uh they just discovered a clip of japanese frazier henry it's in the slack channel let's check it out i have no no idea. I'm not part of Slack. Let me in. You'll have to listen. Or just like, talk to me. You'll have to tell us

who is talking, Henry, because I can't watch this along with you. Okay. Frazier talking. That's dad. Definitely. Okay.

Oh, Cousin Merle, Nani. Oh, actually, wait. I skipped ahead a little bit. Let's hear Niles. That's nice. So, Boku no Pantsu? Where are your pants? He's saying that it was a classic Niles distracted by Daphne scene

I don't know what he said there exactly Well there you go folks That's Frasier in Japanese Okay Saisho Bob in Japanese Sounds pretty close to him But Cecil sounds terrible I found I can't play the clip for you But I'll find a way to record it and you can see.

Sure, I'll insert it right here. That was a good clip. I enjoyed the clip. I like the little joke that Lisa asked Bob if he knows how to disarm a bomb. Because just because you, they're touchy things doesn't mean you know how to disarm it. But Bob is correct that he's been a super villain so long that he would have picked it up and his last episode was all about bombs yeah he actually wired together an entire bomb to almost kill every human being in springfield it's kind of got a look over that yeah the you don't spend 10 years as a homicidal maniac without

learning a few things about dynamite that line uh, Kelsey Grammer said on quite a few talk shows, that's his favorite Sessile Bob line. And, you know, the dynamite fits too. Cecil would have access to dynamite with his ability to buy building materials. It's true, and Bob references the hole they blew in the ground. Yeah, it all fits. Foreshadowing.

But as they're disarming the bomb, Bart, I guess, takes it upon himself to stop Cecil, which they should have had a scene where they mentioned they're going to split up and do this. But Bart confronting Cecil is a great moment. Plunger, check. Hard hat, check. $15 million and a gun, check. Mate. Goodbye, Bob.

No! Guess who? Meris? Oh, shoot! Bob, look! at last i'm going to do what bob never could kill bart simpson by throwing me off a dam isn't that a little crude for a genius like you oh i suppose it is if anyone asks i'll lie excellent so there is a deleted scene that you can watch with us when we get to the deleted scene special for this season. The best deleted scene ever.

It's so great. So in the shot of the money going over the dam, you see a tiny house somehow built next to the waterfall. Well, you know who lives there? Hans Mole Man. Of course. So the gun falls and then the money starts like drifting down. So Hans Mole Man picks up the gun and he goes, and then the money starts falling. He goes, thank woman picks up the gun and he goes and then the money starts falling he goes thank you god now hand over the rest of it nice and easy that's it so he's god is he thinks god is giving him money but he's holding a gun up to this guy

so god will give him the rest of the money it's so good i'm sad they couldn't leave it in there it is weird because you see in one shot you see the house and then like briefly you see the house and a tiny hans mole man so unless you're unless you see the house, and then briefly you see the house and a tiny Hans Moll man. So unless you're really looking, you might be, if you are really looking rather, you're going to be confused. Why is a house there for no reason? But yeah, they cut a scene. Just a whole idea of sticking up God.

Yeah. And Ken Keillor said it's his favorite thing he's written for The Simpsons. And he was so mad that he did not make it onto the air. He's so happy to hear that it's not going to be on the DVD. It's like, I've never heard a man as happy as Ken Keeler is there about that. Which I think that's another weird thing on the commentary that I think Kelsey and Ken Keeler are Skyping in. I think they're both remote. So it makes it even weirder.

Yeah, I wanted to talk a bit about Maris. Yes. So that is such a fan service-y joke, and I was absolutely delighted by it. But it made me wonder, like, how well known was Maris outside of the Frasier bubble? I mean, you would need to know, I guess there was enough of a monoculture where they would assume you would know who Maris was. And Frasier wasn't its sixth or fifth season at that point. So you would know enough about fraser just by like osmosis to understand the maris joke it's like and on other shows there are jokes about a character

who you never see their face or you they just never appear uh like on married with children a very classy show the joke was you would never see uh peg's mother she'd be visiting but you'd never see her yeah a beastly sound off camera. Or Vera on Cheers. Yeah, yeah. Niles' wife. Maris was just the Vera of that world. Yeah, Maris was Niles' wife and then later ex-wife. And they keep making jokes about how cruel and tiny and frail she is.

She's like a Mr. Burns. Except you never see her. And the whole joke is that you never see her. But apparently they wanted a scene where Cecil is talking to a character named Maris in this episode. And they actually sent the script to this episode to Frasier writers so they can have a look over it. And that's the one thing they asked them to change. They were like, take out this Maris character. She can't ever be seen.

Yeah, Ken Keillor seemed pretty heartbroken in that the joke is we are going to show you maris but it's not the maris you want to see it just a maris and that's the joke it's not the maris of seattle but they thought this is better yeah they thought that would be going too far but i like this joke and again that made into the commercial but i think in a vacuum that scene you don't know why bart's doing that so well clearly they counted on people to know that maris referenced so well enough that you'd know it in a commercial that they and the idea that like not only that he thinks it's maris because his eyes are covered and he's like well this could be anybody i never see maris is that you like so apparently uh it's a good thing that cecil and bob never watched

frazier because the parallels would just disturb them also i wanted to ask nina and henry too uh so david hyde pierce is not in a lot of stuff post frazier not in a lot of high profile stuff but he did play a villain in the 2010 movie the perfect host which i thought was a pretty good movie not super great it's a good like netflix movie yeah he plays a very similar character to niles except he's a psychopath and it's great it's really fun so niles yes he's he's less anxious i think oh i and i love david hyde pierce in wet hot american summer and the ancillary materials too god he seemed like he was too big to be in wet hot american summer well there are a lot of big actors in there though i i like that feel that uh pierce just does what he wants to do he's like he he, after you're on a sitcom for that long,

you, unless you are not careful at all with your money, you should be set for life just from residuals alone. So just take what jobs you want to that point as an actor. And I mean, he's been doing a lot more live theater since then when he won his Tony. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner,

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So that was when I found out that he's like, Niles does Broadway now? That's why he's not in stuff anymore? I haven't seen The Perfect Host. Is that a dramatic role? Yeah, yeah. It's a thriller.

It's pretty good. Okay, yeah. You don't see him in dramatic roles very often. Usually he just plays comedy roles and he pretty much is just Niles

whenever he does his roles. But that's fine. He does it well. Like the character he plays in A Bug's Life is Niles. The dog man in Treasure Planet. Yeah, yeah. I forgot about that. I guess this got him into voice roles.

Yeah, you're right. He did a lot more after that. I've seen him in a dramatic role before. He was on The Outer Limits, if you remember that show, the modern version of The Outer Limits. And by modern, you mean 90s. Yes.

90s is modern, right? Sure. I hope so. I remember those were the sexy Outer Limits that were on Showtime, right? Yeah, I love The Outer Limits, the 90s one.

That was also filmed here. Really? Oh, wow. Yeah, and there's a whole episode he was in. He played, I think, a criminologist. He created this device that made people think that, or made inmates think yeah and there's a whole episode he was in he played i think a criminologist um he created

this device that made people think that or made um inmates think that uh they were given the death penalty and they were like put to death and then they come out the simulation and they realize that they have a second chance at life and they become reformed and then he um puts a prisoner through it and uh the guy dies so he ends up going to prison himself and it's just very depressing and dark. Wow. Yeah. It seems like mostly these days, like the perfect host is his last movie and that's from 2010.

And it seems like mostly he just does a few TV episodes a year and then he's just doing Broadway all the time. So his most recent Broadway role, it was in Hello Dolly. And he won the, he was nominated for three, a Tony award rather for best actor in musical i would say about a sheep uh dear god i know it's not but we can only hope

this reminds me of the most one of the most recent thing kelsey grammar did which was a netflix movie that i only watched the trailer for so he plays the estranged father of kristin bell and it's about them reconnecting and i'm like you know that's not a bad staff but i then watching the trailer i realized what the movie actually was a long-form commercial for a cruise line because it takes place entirely on a cruise ship and it is about how close they got on this cruise and all i forget the name of the cruise line if it was uh norwegian or caribbean but it was right there just every shot i'm like here's the cruise ship here's the cruise ship i was like

so so kelsey grammar and kristin bell took it a vacation and made a netflix movie one thing down periscope uh part two above water oh they got my letters but uh so you might not know that it's just more trivia because we're throwing it out there. And I totally forgot about this, but it comes up on podcasts sometimes, is that Kelsey Grammer produced a sketch comedy show. Ah, yes. And the great Paul F. Tompkins was in it, and Mary Lynn Rice Cub, and also Caitlin Olsen was in it as well.

And apparently it was not fun, says Paul F. Tompkins. Yeah, PFT was not the biggest fan of it, I think. Well, they had to film it in England, which already sounds like a pain in the butt. And it was replaced by American Dad, which is now in its 14th season. But not on Fox. That's a good show. I look forward to it. What a cartoon.

Someday of American Dad. Easily my favorite Seth MacFarlane show because he's barely involved. It's do or die time for Bob and Bart and Bob saves the day. And now to kill you, there may be a slight ringing in your ears. Fortunately, you'll be nowhere near them. I guess this is it.

Thanks anyway. You know, I could snip the wires. We'd fall to our deaths, but we'd save the entire town. But how would you like to do something incredibly noble? Do we have to? Yes

Ah Ah Ah You you you saved my life bird yeah i guess this means you can't ever try to kill me again huh oh i don't know about that joking joking so bob is really like a wily coyote in this scene like he should have just died. His pelvis should have exploded. His spine snapped in half.

Yeah, but I love the way like Bart sort of rotates him around the pipe to get off of him. Because his legs are locked in place. And somehow Bart like just summons like the strength of someone trapped under a car to pull Bob up onto that little ledge. But it's all fun. It's fun. I'm not complaining. It's really fun. It was an adrenaline rush.

He almost died. So he's got all this strength. If you want to hear people. I like the noises Bob makes when he hits his crotch. Oh yeah. And Sideshow Bob is funny too. Any pain to Sideshow Bob is great. Oh,

and right before that, I do love that Bart tries to beat Cecil the way he beats Bob by appealing to his pride. But Cecil is like, like oh I can just lie about this forget it I'm not going to tell anybody I didn't kill you the right way and then just throws him off to his death and that should I mean that's the finale of Bob's characters right there Bart saying I guess you can't ever try to kill me again can you like that's it like there yeah he saved his life this was the last sideshow bob episode

as much as i love sideshow bob they resisted it as a finale they resisted it for five years but then they eventually did it but yeah that that is the end not only is it bart bob saves bart bart saves bob and bob attempts fight actually he doesn't save the city because it does collapse but he attempts to save the city the city he tried to kill before. It's true. Nothing they do in the third act matters in the end, because the dam bursts anyway, and Bob is accused anyway. And they're lucky that it's a cartoon flood that just washes away immediately. It seems like the only damage that was done to just the area around the dam.

Hans Molman's dead. Well, the Wiggum House was destroyed. Oh, yeah, yeah. But that was it, apparently. For a brief moment, he was very rich. Oh, poor Hans. He just can't. I want to talk about the worst dam disaster in history. Oh, really? Which one was it?

It happened in China. And I want to talk about it because up until more modern times I mean actually modern 2005 18 years ago It wasn't very well known because the government Tried to cover it up They tried to cover up just how disastrous it was

It happened during the Chairman Mao regime That was in 1975 So it was in the Banshao They were the Banshao and Shementon Reservoir Dams Reservoir Dams was not the Banshao, they were the Banshao and Ximantan Reservoir Dams. Reservoir Dams was not the best Tarantino movie. But it was a clay dam or they were clay dams made in the 50s and one of China's foremost

hydrologists kept criticizing the government's dam building policies, but they didn't listen to him and he was removed from their project. So he warned them. But in 1975, thanks to a huge typhoon, the dams burst. And it killed around 171,000 people.

26,000 were from the flooding and 145,000 were from starvation and epidemics that followed. And 11 million people lost their homes and the government tried to hide it. And it was covered up mostly until 2005. Wow. So it happened in 75 and not uncovered until 2005.

It's amazing. And also the typhoon that caused them to burst was called Typhoon Nina. But no relation. No relation. The worst damn disaster. Oh, man. Jeez. Instead, and this gave me a bad idea of what damn bursting so i go like no it's just water it's just like when you you imagine it being clean

water in the real world not in in like it is in cartoons instead it is uh filthy water that doesn't drain anywhere and uh pretty bad yeah this one the only person affected with ralph seemingly i guess although in the uh so the ralph scene is a replacement scene for a scene that they cut in which uh homer instead of going opening the door and seeing ralph he opens the door and starts shaking the tree and fish falls out he catches it in a bucket that's funny yeah yeah i wonder why they cut that out i mean it's not that many more seconds i mean ralph's an easier joke i guess instead of the fish the fish takes longer if you're trying to say potty humor yeah yeah yeah you do get a wet the bed joke uh so then we get another incredibly

ridiculous scene which i love it's it's from the same way of thinking as especially, but especially. You've brought shame to this family, Cecil. Oh, I don't relish having to write the Christmas letter this year. Nor I to read it. You know, Bob, all this time I thought you were a bungler, but destroying a city is far tougher than I thought. Here's your man, Chief. Cecil? I think not This looks like the work of crazy old Sideshow Bob

No, Chief, Bob's innocent It's the truth The truth, huh? That sounds like the testimony of crazy old Lisa Simpson Cecil just voluntarily confessed, Chief Well, that's some good work, Lou You'll make Sergeant for this Uh, I already am, Sergeant, Chief

Perhaps you are But I say Bob goes back to jail. But surely, I mean, I caught Cecil. Maybe so. But Lou here says you were resisting arrest. No, I didn't, Chief. Quiet, Lou, or I will bust you down to sergeant so fast it'll make your head spin. It really reminds me of the Wiggum arresting Bob in Cape Fear, too. He keeps fucking up. It's true.

But this one is so... Wiggum has no reason to do this. It is that he is filled with the spirit of the reality of the show, which says that Bob cannot be a free man. He has to go back to jail. So Wiggum is just fulfilling his role in the universe. And no matter what is told to him, he's still like, nope, he still has to go back to jail it's the end of the episode bob goes back to jail that's what happens that's just what happens on the show and the way it though it there's it's so cruel so cruel

that bob has to go back to jail for no reason he's an innocent man you kind of feel but by all means he should be in prison yeah he, he should have stayed there. I guess ultimately he did try to destroy the entire town and kill Krusty and kill Bart. I mean, the nuke thing again, I said, is like, that's hanging for treason already. So I could see, in a way, this has upset his parole. If it's a work release program program his job doesn't exist anymore so though it's also darkly real of the police saying uh you're under arrest why ah resisting arrest i got you like that yeah that resisting arrest is the easy gateway into police abuse of power the crazy old lisa

simpson that's a great line too crazy old lisa simpson and uh both, so like both Lou and Wiggum call him Cecil. So I guess they weren't all on the same page about Cecil. I also, I like that Cecil has this great line, a jokey line admitting that it's harder to kill everybody than he thought. But also it is a confession in front of the police. Like, I love that they are recognizing like, no, that jokey line he said was a confession of guilt. Like he said it. I kind of want to see the trial that takes place after this. It happens very fast. They're back in jail soon. So after the flooding of Springfield,

we then get the big farewell line, which I had forgotten this. I'd listened to the commentary before, but I didn't know this. I'd forgotten this until rewatching it with the commentary that Brad Bird had laid out the scene of them in the police car together. Yeah. He loves Sideshow Bob. And I think for every Sideshow Bob episode, probably up till this one, he wanted to do at least one scene per episode.

So that's the one he did. Until Brad Bird entered the world of CG animation, he apparently always insisted in animating at least one scene of his movies he did of like he as director you know you're drawing all the time but he took pride in like picking a scene that would be his to animate and he had he had done that on all of the bob episodes and he also did it like on in Iron Giant the scene he animates himself is the scene where Hogarth drinks cappuccino and it's shaking the whole time that that was Brad Bird's animated scene it's a great scene I kind of want to hear Kelsey Grammer in a Brad Bird animated

film now yeah how hasn't that happened yet Kelsey Grammer should do way more voice roles he was really good in Anastasia Kelsey Grammer played the fat friend of Don Bluth's boyfriend. Oh, okay. This goes back to the czar thing. Oh, of Don Deluise. If you don't know Don Bluth's boyfriend thing, just Google it. You'll see what I'm talking about. Wait, Don Bluth's boyfriend? Basically,

it's referring to the exact same kind of character design he gives to all his male and female friends. Oh, I see. Okay. I thought you were outing Don Bluthier. No. I see. He's a friend of the guy voiced by John Cusack in Anastasia. Apparently he plays Vladimir.

Yes, that's his name. That's the name of the character. More of that Russian czar ancestry thing that just follows Kelsey Grammer around to his role. And Hekaziri is in that movie, too. He was Bartok. And it's funny that in Toy Story 2, he played a very Sideshow Bob style character

in that he was the goofy guy on the show, but then off the show, he was the secret, very well-spoken schemer. You are so right. Yeah. Stinky Pete. I haven't seen that movie.

What? I haven't seen any of the Toy Stories. That is shocking to me. They didn't make it to Canada. Check him out. The three Toy Story movies, they're quite good. Is the third one bad? No, it's the best.

I hear a lot of conflicting opinions about that. It's my favorite. I like two the best, but three is also very good. I think one has one of the most perfect scripts ever for a movie. Three made me cry in the theater like twice, though that's because I am a man child who loves his things like i forget what joke i'm ripping this off from but i've i've seen this car comic strip on on twitter of somebody about to throw something away and then they say like but what if toy story was

real that sometimes bothers me when i'm cleaning out clutter. Toy Story is creating a generation of hoarders. But yeah, here's our outro here. But you can't do this! I saved the children's lives! I'm a hero! Tell them they'll live to regret this. You'll live to regret this!

Oh, thanks a lot. Now I look crazy. There they go. Two criminal geniuses locked away together. Who knows what diabolical schemes they might concoct. I'm older. I get the top bunk. Oh, puppy cock. I called it at the arraignment. Ouch. So, when do they bring us the menus? That would be Frasier and Niles in prison, too.

Absolutely. It looks so painful the way niles hits his the way cecil hits his head on the bars there yeah ouch yeah so i looked up uh bob's bunk preferences from like the past episodes oh so black widower top bunk cape fear he also has a top bunk uh but seisho bob's last gleaming from last season, he had the bottom bunk, but the guy in the top bunk kept him up watching TV. That's right. Maybe that's why he... Oh, Vanessa Redgrave!

By the way, next time you watch that scene, check out that guy's head. He has a haircut you could sort of watch too. Oh, just like Johnny Unitas. Well, before this episode ends, we can't neglect the fact that there was a vehicle for Kelsey Grammer, an animated vehicle that we all know and love gary the rat 12 amazing episodes of the kothkess

nightmare of a lawyer that turns into a rat and it was sort of like the bojack horseman of its day not really i'm sorry no it's nothing like it how dare you no i never watched a second of it. I just remember it in the commercials on Spike alongside Stripperella and Ren and Stimpy's adult cartoon party. Back when the pedophile came back to ruin his creation. Yeah. And I was like, oh boy, this is awful. What's on after this? Oh, it's something even worse.

Yeah. Stripperella at least had the best. Honestly, it's the best of those three. It had the best animation. And I stand by Pam Anderson's ability to produce television shows she's good she is good at doing that uh that's stan lee stripperella henry come on pam anderson made that show it was not it was not stan lee as much as i love kelsey grabber and david hyde pierce both as actors i do want to hear them in more voice roles yeah they they they should be cast in more. It sounds like they're just very choosy, I guess, or maybe they're not getting the offers, you know,

but now there's been, I know Kelsey Grammer shut it down, but there has been a real revival of Frasier in the last few years. Like on Twitter, like I've not just seen, you know, Nina's art gets stolen and passed around, but I've seen tons of people share all these new thoughts on Frasier, like to let you know how big it's getting again, just through people streaming it on Netflix or Hulu. If you go to YouTube, when I tried to search for best, like Niles lines or whatever, there were dozens of videos created now by the content factories of like five times niles really owned frazier or really yes oh my god i want to see like a loud mouth gamer youtube personality style guy but with frazier frazier should be streaming now yes he's

he's got a twitch stream that's what he should be doing. Speaking of streaming, we don't get Frasier on Netflix Canada. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah. We have all the Frasier. All of it. Dang it.

You don't even watch it. I, you know, I'm going to be watching a lot more Frasier again after this. I assumed your socialist... It's still really good. I assumed your socialist

government would distribute Frasier to the people in the mail or something along with your health care because we spell it with a u then that's true yeah but i do want to see fraser streaming that's awesome his son now they could cast a famous person to be frederick now and fraser moves in with his son frederick it writes itself i mean they're in a world with fuller house and girl meets world they should they could definitely bring fraser back on netflix i think uh i think kelsey grammar is asking price is a little higher than bob saget and dave coulier though just a little bit i don't

know if i would want to see like a 70 year old horny fraser oh i still haven't found the one well because he the show ended with him maybe getting with laura linney but they still haven't found the one. Well, because the show ended with him maybe getting with Laura Linney, but they still didn't really give him a happy ending, right? No, it's like ambiguous what happens to him afterwards. I would want him to be with Laura Linney. That's a good pairing. This was, for a time, the final Sideshow Bob appearance. He didn't appear again for five years until the Al Jean written episode,

Day of the Jack and Apes, which completely ignored any reformation here. It is all about Bob trying to kill Bart again and use Bart as a Manchurian candidates type killer to kill Krusty live on television. I remember it being funny, but at the time I was very angry that they overwrote the canon. And that's how I felt. At least didn't work in like a one drop line in there about why Bob is back to his old tricks again or whatever.

And why Cecil isn't back or why they weren't in the same prison anymore. All that stuff. I do like that Cecil comes back, even if it meant more Sideshow Bob episodes. That's just the Frasier fan in me. Yeah. The season 19 one where he comes back, it's specifically the 10th one.

So I think that's why they wanted to make it extra celebratory and have the entire Terwilliger family. Oh my God, season 19? So 11 seasons later, they bring him back. And Cecil did, yeah. I mean, I was going to say, hey, bring me back for that episode, but it's going to be a while, isn't it? We got like five years, I think say hey bring me back for that episode but it's gonna be a while isn't it you got like five years i think we'll make it yeah but uh it might be dead by then

we all might be dead oh yeah that's jingle for me we'll be in prison after fox sues us but uh yeah it was sort of like a mini fraser reunion because fraser had been off the air for like about three years so it was cool to see everybody back again doing doing their stuff or the very least moho and that i of bob trivia in that one they do answer that his mother's maiden name is underdunk which is why that's his middle name and that she was a famous stage actress of shakespeare so that's that's the background on on mrswilliger. And I think before that, there was the episode, The Italian Bob, in which he has a wife and a son now. And they're in that 10th episode as well that Cecil comes out. The Cecil, maybe it's just because I'm now the biggest fanboy of David Hyde Pierce, but the Cecil scenes are my favorite in that. David Hyde Pierce just like kills it every time he's on screen. Actually, my favorite joke in that episode is Bob has set

Bart to be burned alive inside of a coffin, and it's moving pretty slow. And then when he wants to speed it up, he moves the lever to speed it up. And the original setting it was on was gloating speed. My favorite joke, I just watched this last night, is Cecil and Bart need to pass the time, so Cecil explains how to play Botticelli, and halfway through he realizes how boring it is. Look it up, it's an amazingly boring sounding game, Botticelli. I believe in Simpsons comics, Cecil comes back somehow, and I've actually read these, but I think he becomes friends with Lisa, because they find they really have similar interests. And they don't need to pay David Hyde Pierce a nickel exactly I guess that's one reason why they can bring out so many characters

in Simpsons comics you don't pay anybody but on a certain level of canon it's not exactly 100% counts those yeah I know it's just the comics actually on the Simpsons wiki uh Frasier and Niles both have entries because they appeared in the comics. Perhaps the Simpsons were watching Frasier at some point in the 20 plus years of Simpsons comics, but they were drawn in Simpsons style. Let me tell you, Kelsey Grammer is horrifying in Simpsons style. I saw that too. And yeah, I was like, they look a little bit off. And I was wondering if, I don't know who drew it, but I was wondering if they based it off of Frasier in that Silent Cheers parody. I think he was a lot,

a lot, he had a lot more hair than he did on the show Frasier at that point. I love that caricature of Frasier in that Cheers parody, but they just had to like trim his hair and take out the beard. And when you do that, it doesn't look like him as much,

I guess. That's right. He'd have a beard for almost all of Cheers or most of it. it yeah so then he shaved it off well i that's re-watching these i liked watching the uh the first two seasons of fraser when he had kind of his mullet and then i think it's the third season where he just like he chops it off he knows it's it's getting too old to have his mullet and he needs i like the mullet i like i i prefer his mullet look but i i get why i get why kelsey grammer would know it's not it's fashionable in 1995 to have a mullet as it once was yeah but it's just good character design i also like uh superman with a mullet so maybe i

just like not against that one fortunately kelsey grammer's hairline did not cooperate with the mullet idea by the way henry do you remember how frazier and niles got their names no their mother had lab rats that's right oh my god when they find they found her journal and they think she's talking about them but she's talking about the lab rats uh it's a classic frazier moment so nina any final thoughts about this episode i i love it again uh it did feel like closing the book on bob and like uh bill oakley and josh weinstein like we said they were like well the show has like a few years left after we leave so who cares they who knows if kelsey who knows if kelsey grammar will come back let's give bob a graceful exit but yeah i really enjoy

this one i think it is the best and i do i love fraser a lot i remember now now i remember oh yeah fraser is really good i'm to watch more of it now. This episode was great. I absolutely loved it. It still holds up. And even if you're not a Frasier fan, I think it's just a really, really solid episode. And Cecil is a great character, heightened by the voice performance of David Hyde Pierce, who is awesome. And yeah, I watched some Frasier for the first time in years preparing for this recording.

And it still holds up. It's still really good. So if anyone out there has not seen Frasier, I highly recommend it. And it's funny, we're getting into really like weeby nerdy things and talking about Frasier. I was actually watching Frasier while playing Dragon Quest XI today. So two birds, one stone.

No, I stand by this is now, sorry, Sideshow Bob Roberts. I think this is now my favorite. I think Sideshow Bob Roberts is my favorite plot, like Bob plot. And all the political stuff is amazing. And I love vampire Republicans. That's hilarious too. But David Hyde Pierce's Cecil just puts this over the edge.

And the complexity, it gets overlooked, I think, because David Hyde Pierce is so great in this. But the complexity of plotting by Ken Keeler to make an anti-mystery and a misdirect that you think it is a Bob mystery and it is not is so well done that this, I think, is the ultimate Sideshow Bob episode. And it's one of Ken Keeler's few episodes that is not a controversial one. Was there any controversy when this came out? I don't believe so. I think everybody loved it, yeah. I'm sure someone called it the worst episode ever.

I think objectively Cape Fear is a better Sideshow Bob episode, but this is still my favorite. Yeah, animation-wise, my favorite Sideshow bob episode is cape fear and it's hard to beat the rake joke in uh it's true bob as well yeah but then again bob is written to be like even more insane as robert de niro played in uh cape fear so yeah he's a bit different in that episode it's true he just i mean it's funny even on the commentary they're like sideshow

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