Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Day of the Jackanapes With Mike Drucker

Episode Date: September 1, 2021

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Hey, it's Henry Gilbert and I was just thinking that. And who do we have on the line? It's Mike Drucker! And today's episode is Day of the Jackanapes. I think it's good for a show to go off the air before it becomes stale and repetitive. Maggie shot Mr. Burns again. Today's episode aired on February 18th, 2001. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history.

Oh, my God. Oh, boy, Bobby. Jonart hosts the grammys the sean hayes hosted snl featuring the jeffries sketch airs and uh in the final lap of the daytona 500 on fox ahead of this episode of the simpsons dale earnhardt passes away in a fatal car crash. I'm having talkie Futurama flashbacks. Yes, we did cover the Futurama that aired this same night. But yes, I was watching this night of Fox television, and I recall on the news right beforehand, they're like, oh, my God, the most famous NASCAR driver just died in the final lap of Daytona 500.

And, I mean, Mike, you're also a Floridian. I definitely was seeing a lot of tributes to Dale Earnhardt in the number three all around Florida for years and years to come. Everywhere in Florida. Everywhere. It was like so ubiquitous that I forget that other people didn't live with that world. I know that this was right before 9-11, but it almost had a feel like that where people were like nationally mourning. And I unfortunately found out who he was when he died.

So like I was like, oh man, must be a big loss of this guy I just learned was alive. For some people, this was the 9-11 appetizer. It's like the cheese sticks came out now yeah from then on you couldn't walk around florida without seeing a number three decal on stuff uh no the john stewart grammys i don't remember one bit from it i just remember him hosting stuff i mean this this is also before you know stewart was i i thought he was good on the daily show you know from the start but i mean the big shift also this is the news section is when we talk about 9-11 for the entire year before 9-11 actually happens but that is the big shift we're driving to the 9-11 factory yes um well that

last one there just that the the sean hayes snl there might have been other good sketches on it i don't remember but the one everyone remembers is him sean hayes and jimmy fallon uh laughing their way through the uh clothes folding sketch where horatio sand shows up oh yeah that was it yeah this was the laughter era of snl i mean i just re-watched the sketch and like i know it's easy of like oh people break in a sketch, and you all laugh at it, but it was, it still got me. It was real. It's a tough line.

Yeah. Because sometimes someone breaks, and you're like, oh my God, this is so funny that I would break if I was there. I empathize, and sometimes you're like, we're milking it. Yeah, yeah. And it's a fine line.

Yeah. I am a hypocrite because I do like the Dr. Poop sketch. Where it does feel just like all just pure improv the entire thing but it couldn't have been yes yeah but yes that's where we all were on this night in february of 2001 but hey this is a very comedy writer specific episode of simpsons and so what a great time to welcome back our returning guest mike d Drucker thank you for having me back and I enjoyed I I had not seen this episode for what 15 years or so it was it was an episode I remembered literally nothing about other than what it was uh yeah it's you think of it as a sideshow Bob episode but you forget it's really just commenting on early 2000s television.

It's about how executives should be murdered and they're expendable. Those are not my opinions, by the way. No, no. I will say it's very funny watching this episode now that I have been in entertainment, and I assume the same for you guys, because when you're a kid and you're hearing about network executives giving notes, it doesn't really track for you in any way. You're just like, I guess there's douchebags that say weird things. And then when you're in this industry and you do get notes like that, where it's like, I want to try it without this. You're like, oh,

it was an episode. I didn't understand how an audience would understand without having experienced that. Yeah. I feel like all of the shows of my youth trained me for working with executives and they were all correct. Yeah. It was only until in recent years of my life that i actually worked with executives on something it was a website it was not television but i was like all the tv shows are right yes every time uh yeah i mean you know there's an angle you can say that like oh it's a they're not talking about you know regular american lives anymore they're just getting up their own asses and what tv production is but especially if you're even just an outsider fan of television it's funny to laugh at that that they're foibles of like no seriously fuck these executives yeah yeah uh specifically this episode written by al jean it's about his experience working on the sitcom teen angel he

created with mike reese and how much this episode is how much he hated working for Disney. Guess what, buddy? Yes. As of like a year ago. Was it a year ago? 18 months ago? I guess 18 months. Yeah.

It is so funny. I mean, I'm sure he does not regret this, but there are so many commentaries. I was like, I hated working for Disney. Working for Disney was the worst time of my life. I was so happy to be away from Disney. And now everybody has to work for Disneyney they do all work for disney now i you know in uh in gene's defense i've read many interviews where he's was like hey that was a

different disney this is a new disney we love working with disney on the star wars maggie short and all these things like yeah and there there are very specific things there's like one specific thing we'll get to that it was his era of working at abc like one thing sticks out to me as like he is commenting on two people who are working above him who he loathed and wanted to murder who are in this show yeah there's also probably a difference between being like a young show creator in your 20s and 30s working for dis Disney versus being a millionaire in your 40s and 50s working yes yeah I feel like if you're a 61 year old millionaire like Al Jean is probably like yeah give me notes I like notes notes are great yeah I'm 33 years old I want to write my my angel comedy and you're getting in the way yes you're right now you're like yeah sure we'll change this hat into a cowboy hat. Who cares? Sure, it does read better as a cowboy hat.

Yeah, you're right. Well, no, Mike, I'm sure you've gotten so many very helpful and informative notes from network execs in your time and as a professional TV writer. Yes. The best note I ever received, which I won't say what program it was for, it was not for a program I work on now. But we were doing a segment about mediums, like sort of debunking the idea of mediums and how they do cold readings. And we got this note that was like, hey, can we only say that some mediums are fake because we don't want to get sued? And I was like, let them sue us then

in discovery and prove the afterlife is real because then it would be worth it. That's a case for the century. Literally. Like, hey, for the century. Literally. Like, hey, we're worried about this. We're worried we're going to get sued if we say all mediums are fake. Can we say some ghosts don't exist? It was like that.

And it's said with such a straight face that you can't be like, it's not like when someone's like, I don't know, is this a weird thing to ask? Because it bumps me. It's like an adult with all the confidence in the world telling you the dumbest thing you've ever heard uh i so you know back when i saw this in 2001 i hate to be a broken record on this podcast but every one of these we've done in season 12 i was like this one made

me mad but seriously this one really made me mad as a teen i and i really think it's it's at the start that it completely ignores what happened in the last sideshow bob episode and then the ending but both of those made me very mad as a uh a continuity obsessed simpsons fan uh at the at the age of uh 17 i uh i was not as mad as you about a lot of the season 100 but this one did make me mad and i i've since come to terms with it but not acknowledging the continuity of cecil and saicho bombs reform really struck a weird chord with me like it felt disrespectful to the previous writers where to not even have one throwaway line even just like shrugging it off felt like disrespectful to me yeah yeah just it bugged me a

little of like well especially that this episode does respect sideshow bob's history kinda but then when it doesn't it's like well why'd you ignore that i mean i i do think you know al jean was clearly itching to write a sideshow bob and like this was there were four years in between this like the longest stretch they'd gone without a sideshow Bob ever. And I give the sense that Scully wasn't super into sideshow Bob. He's like, what? Or maybe he thought, what more is there to do? We've done everything with Bob.

And maybe he thought like, yeah, Oakley and Weinstein, they closed the book on Bob. Like we told all the Bob stories and the show will be over soon. Yeah. And the show will be done soon. Yeah. It's funny on this commentary they recorded it when they just got renewed for seasons 21 and 22 and they just got renewed for 33 and 34 like in a few months ago uh but they they seem to think 22 would be like well

i guess we'll be soon will be the longest running show except for these shows and i was like no you are not counting like you know the today show or like you know a scripted program they are number one you finally beat lassie but but this definitely just feels like a sequel to cape fear which is you know one of the greatest simpsons episodes ever so if you're going to do a sequel like that's a good one to do but uh it's it's kind of apparent so the title is day of the jack and apes a parody of day of the jackal a movie about a failed assassination attempt on i think charles the gull but the actual plot of the of the show is uh the manchurian candidate right yeah the 62 one yeah i mean especially they they have

the dream sequence with bart with the sniper rifle. That is the most important scene in Manchurian Candidate. Yeah. Yeah. Which Gene jokes on the commentary. He's like, yeah, we ripped it. I mean, we've attributed to it. Yeah. Also, I don't think it's a coincidence that not only this is about his tenure at ABC,

but also Gene didn't like those notes. Mike Reese, his writing partner at gene didn't like those notes mike reese his writing partner uh at the time hated those notes so much he quit being a full-time hollywood writer yeah and was just like i i will show up for one day a week for simpsons rewrites and otherwise i live in new york city and i will fly in between once a week because i don't want to be in hollywood any more than that and that's been his life for like 23 or 24 years yes yeah well the dream man dream i would love to live in new york while getting to work in la and get paid simpsons money i would love it simpsons money for one day a week in the rewrite room with all your buddies yeah i mean reese reese earned that over a bunch of 90 hour weeks well uh in the golden age of Simpsons.

So it sounded pretty, I think especially for Gene and Reese, I don't know how they survived, like physically survived working on season four of The Simpsons while also developing the critic at the same time. Like when they said they did 100-hour weeks in that time, I believe them. like i don't think that's hyperbole yeah but that was before there was fun distractions that's true yeah when the when you were developing the critic you couldn't just like go down a wikipedia hole for four hours you were like ah all right there's news let's go do something else right yeah like back then they told the stories of how they had like a very they had a dictionary in the simpsons room because they and they covered it with notes and gags in it.

And that's simply because they had no phones. They didn't have a phone or a tablet or anything. You could either eat snacks or write in the dictionary. Yep, that's what. And also, I guess right ahead of the thing, I will say that there are the included storyboards for Act 2 are on the DVD. There's only a couple like changes in it that i'll note but otherwise there weren't any big changes it was it was more just interesting to see like for example the board artists sometimes i totally understand why they do it they just go

like why am i drawing every spike on bart's head for this storyboard like here it's just a flat can and just one line i assume they'll all be there in the final product yes yeah but yes this uh the episode begins uh certainly in a way of putting us in the early 2000s with a who wants to be a millionaire thing which i'm really glad they didn't just do mo goes on millionaire they make up their own show and their own host for it to to it an extra parody. Yes, Virgil St. Clair, host of Me Wanty. Me Wanty. It's a great title. And just in case you forgot, because this has been 20 years,

so Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? It started as a two-week event in November of 99. Then in January of 2000, it became a regular series on ABC until June of 2002. So this episode, written in the spring of 2000, I'm guessing, probably in the peak of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was watching it every night back then. I got into it, at least for about a month.

And once you saw the first guy win a million, I think that kind of got a lot of people off the wagon, I suppose. An average audience size of 29 million viewers man jesus christ no i i mean that was a joke for a time that's in uh i just did the uh in the last year i listened to the audiobook of disney war and a major point of disney war is like they completely regretted buying abc they didn't have any hits and then they stumble upon millionaire and it just turns into this internal fight that eventually works out of like well we can just do millionaire four nights

a week and it'll always do the same ratings right and they just killed it within within a few years but i guess well there was a syndicated millionaire for a while too yeah it came back there was a date time one yeah yeah and the secret on millionaire is they actually i uh at least in the original run be so could be truthful that it was making you a millionaire they would give you whatever the amount of money was pre-taxes that would then after taxes be a million dollars so you literally did get one million dollars not not a million dollars and then half of that goes to the government yeah that's that's like the nicest thing i've ever heard showbiz doing that that is i've worked in showbiz my entire career and i'm like oh my god

that's the nicest thing anyone's done i have shocking news that was actually not ben stein's money no i did not belong to him i wish it was it was the viacom network uh it was funny to think well also do you re-watch some of those it's like the biggest prize is ten thousand dollars and like well that's you know i would no one's i'm not saying no to ten thousand dollars but it doesn't feel that impressive you know you know they they credit the name Me Wanty to George Meyer. And I think definitely this feels like him because it's also this, the parody of it is about this exaltation of greed. Just like rubbing the money all over yourself. Like, don't you want money?

Isn't it great? And then burning it in front of you. Well, the sketch ends with Mo being very rich, which they never touch upon again. I couldn't believe that I couldn't believe they end a sketch with Moe getting five hundred thousand dollars and it's not followed up on in any way I liked it I liked him getting a win yeah when they put the money on fire I was like well naturally the fire is going to spread to Moe's money right but no that's when you cut away to Krusty uh usually it is it's like like mo would be screwed out of this in some way or he'd be told like oh well actually you owe five uh you owe five hundred and one five hundred one thousand

dollars to the government so we'll need a thousand dollars or something but yeah it's just mo becomes rich that's all also the simpsons are his uh phone a friend which is kind of sweet in its own way yeah yeah though i guess i mean mo would only ever call barney or homer he's gonna know i guess if he could call one guy it should be carl like if it's gonna be one of the four bar flies carl probably would have been his better bet but it's also like they do the lifeline bit so it is pretty much i mean it's just millionaire they didn't have a funny name for that but um yes, Homer gets a call as his lifeline, and Moe picks right in this first clip.

Which of the following is not a subatomic particle? A, proton. B, neutron. C, bonbon. Or D, electron. Oh, boy. All right, let's see here. Well, I was born in Indiana, so that ain't it.

And, uh... Hmm. I better call my lifeline. Hello? Hey, Moe. We're watching you on TV. Yeah, I know, Homer. So, how's that bowel obstruction doing? Homer, please.

I got a nuclear-type question here. Well, it all starts when a new locule comes out of its nest. The answer is bonbon. I'm going to say bonbon. Bonbon, Amo. Is that your ultimate response? Uh-huh. Oh, you are correct.

I love, too, that Mo recognizes, like, he just says that a lot. Yeah, the producers told me to pad it out. Like, this is supposed to go over two nights. Like, yeah. Yeah, the purposely bad parody of the final answer is also good. It's just like, you just found synonyms. Yeah, that's great. Is that your ultimate response?

I mean, it was weird that millionaire just had but that's how i think helped it a huge bound in the ratings but that it was like there was no time limit you could take forever on any answer and just like it just keeps going and going uh the guy would tell you his whole life story which is how we learned mo grew up in indiana apparently an important fact about him also it's like not a bad it's like cast is sort of a funny trivia question but that that would be a trivia question in millionaire it might not be the five hundred thousand dollar question but that's literally a question that if it was in a regular episode i'd be like yep they're asking these dummies that yeah if i recall the early questions had just joke answers that were easy to find i mean the classic moment on old millionaire was the guy who did his lifeline at the very end just to call his dad and say dad i'm gonna win a million dollars because i know the

answer and then boom just did it uh but i also love when the second cart comes down like it is a wheel it's a golden wheelbarrow full of money uh and then mo turns it down and they just light it on fire and the way the audience just cheers at 500 000 lit on fire oh so that's great cut to the boardroom and i do think most anybody who is working in network tell or any television in america back then was having meetings being told why don't you get the ratings like millionaire why can't you get 29 million viewers you know mike how much uh is is there still this fear of reality is going to replace us or whatever i feel like that's there's just this gentle coexistence at this time. There's more of a gentle coexistence.

I think at that time, it was such a new thing. And it was way before the 2008 strike. So it was still like this thing where it's like, ah, these reality shows. There's a lot of them, but they'll be okay. Like people, I was not working in television yet. I was a senior in high school. But it wasn't until around 2008 when there was that wga strike that people were like oh reality shows will replace regular shows if networks can do that and then now we're at a

point where we're like oh they just need so much content that let's just hope for the best yeah um it's it's not a i would it's not like a bad coexistence but it's definitely a coexistence rather than a intermingling I think there was a fear that scripted television would be you know a thing of for the like it would go the way of the dodo but now it's I feel like seven streaming series premiere every week you'll never see any of them the last like seven eight years have just been so much scripted content more than I ever could possibly watch that's not like i i have like seven series that i've been told no seriously it's really good make time for it's like i really

would like to i would uh and yeah but then again you know people could razz me for like will you make time for your weekly loki or whatever marvel shows like yes was like, yes, I do. I do. You got me. The Simpsons will be right back. Kelsey Grammer returns as Sideshow Bob. I have a plan. Have Bart kill Krusty. Can nothing stop him? Bart's a brainwashed killing machine.

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if you sign up at patreon.com slash talking simpsons Krusty is the avatar for all the writers as he gets some helpful notes here in this next clip. Ah, this quiz show crap is just a fad. Well, fad or not, it's here to stay. And it's killing your show in the ratings. What do you want from me? I do a kid's show. And it's a classic. We just want you to open it up. Run wild, shadow the boundaries, slash and burn.

Without alienating anyone. Oy, these verkakta network notes can you believe this all we're saying is be dangerous but warm and edgy cute did that exit work for you I'd like to see it without the screen I was just thinking that

every part of that is so real this feels like these have to be two people Algy knew and worked for because they're so specific their relationship is so specific like i was just thinking that yes yeah one guy is just out of his element and he just wants to you know be a yes man for his assistant or like his peers yeah the reason you get the sense of the reason that guy got that job is he realized if he said i was just thinking that it made it look like he knew what he was talking

about instead of having no idea. And just like, it's not God, what a perfect line that is. Cause it's not, I agree. It's that it implies that he thought of that before you said it like, Oh,

it's so good. It's so great. It's also the line. It, it may be a fad, but it's here to stay. It's such a real way. People talk like those executives talk, where it's like, we know that this is just happening right now, but we're going to buy everything like that forever because we assume it'll never change. Why would taste never change from five years ago so they're not going to change in five years from now?

Oh, God. There's so many times we've had, I've worked on something where you've received notes that are literally like, you know, we just think this is too broad, but we feel like it shouldn't be to say or like the material, they feel like they need to contribute something or ask a question. So often you will get a lot of useless notes just because if they don't write their note, they're not doing a job. Yes. And one of the nice things, the co-head writer on the show, I work with Kristen Bartlett. She once said something called the note behind the note, which has made things much easier for me where I'm like, what are you actually telling me with this? And sometimes you're very easily to suss out what you're saying where it's like okay you feel weird that you haven't given feedback so you're asking about something less important

or being like oh you're asking if there can be a romance just because you're not sure why there's a woman there you know like sometimes like you're like oh here's what you're actually asking and that has helped me so much man that's that's good that that uh in executive boardrooms that would help me a lot instead of just my constant frustration like say what you mean like oh they never will yeah i i really like that they just constantly give him so many notes he just runs out of the room like he can't take it i i mean too the simpsons you know famously still to this day seemingly they don't the network can't give them notes like that was their rule in 1990 and it's the i believe still

in its place and i we've heard from other writers there that like that probably didn't make the network like them too much of knowing that like this is the most successful show on the network or one of the most we can't claim any credit for it so i mean they definitely complain of uh we've heard some writers say like that's why we didn't get flown out somewhere why we didn't get some freebie like they didn't give a crap about us they weren't good we had to pay for our own four-year consideration because they didn't give the notes yep Yep. And that's pretty common. That's the other thing, too, is network execs, it seems obvious they'll play favorites, but you won't get four-year consideration support if you don't play ball with them,

or they'll give your budget to someone else. That's the frightening thing is when you're the Simpsons, you have the power to be like, fuck you guys, we're not doing this. But if you're just creating a show like aljean was with that teen angel show you you know these notes are wrong but you also know that you're dead if you don't listen to them which puts you in the worst position man that's rough that's rough i can see how to drive anyone crazy and like like crusty does here yes this this also feels like one of the few episodes where they remember the crusty show as a kid show like this also feels like one of the few episodes where they remember the Krusty show as a kid show. Like, this actually feels like both. Even though, like, later they mess with his career so much, or he has all of these, like, hiatuses.

Yeah. Until, like, the 80s. The timeline of Krusty... Well, I'll just break it down here. I did the math. All right. So, in this clip, Krusty's going to say he's been in showbiz for 61 years. All right.

So, showbiz does not mean the Krusty show has been on TV for 61 years. So let's just say that. But in 1993, Krusty did his 29th anniversary special, which would mean his show started in 64. Though when he showed classic Krusty with the George Beanie interview, that was actually 1961. But still, 61 years would mean he started in 1950 let's even take it as uh at which you might think that means crusty is like in his late 70s at best but let's just take it as the reality of like father like clown where he considers his starting show business is is when he was like seven that would put crusty in his late 60s so let's

it's fuzzy math there's some clips later that are just completely throw out the reality of the 60s era of crusty show but it sort of works i'll i'll just say that it's not it's not entirely wrong continuity but anyway yes here's crusty announcing his retirement. We're losing male teens. Can you get jiggy with something? You're giving me notes while I'm on the air? That tears it! Folks, I've been in showbiz for 61 years, but now these

jerks have sucked all the fun out. I don't need 12 suits telling me which way to pee. For pee, could you substitute whiz? I don't know. That could could you substitute whiz I don't know that could upset the cheese whiz people I was just thinking that I can't take it anymore folks don't miss this Friday show it'll be my last quitting showbiz yeah I know I like the area but where does it go Get away from me! Wait! No!

Damn you! You can kill me, but two more will take my place! That's true. That's not a lie. That is true. Henry, you were saying this is a sequel to Cape Fear. I also feel it's like a sequel to Krusty Gets Cancelled. Yes.

Yeah, you're right. Yeah, it won. Both were very influenced by Johnnyny carson's finale yeah yeah uh you'd you'd think this was violent enough to do to the executives like no at the end of the episode we got to blow them up too we can't just like bash their heads in and make them roll down this is also the like the second golf cart chase with executives they've done in the sculler years because that's in the Gibson episode, too. They also mentioned on the commentary that a big thing that was driving him crazy with executives back then was how every exec would explain to comedy writers why Seinfeld was a good show when no executive would have approved of Seinfeld ever. Always.

Always. Always. Why can't you be more like this other show you know and that's why yeah it's like why well that's why seinfeld works it's like you don't know why seinfeld works seinfeld hates you people why are you uh i also i this was a tiny detail i only noticed like the very last time i watched it for notes nagel you, goes on air to give notes and ruins a sketch, but she does put on a waitress-like apron and gives him the menu,

so she's half committed to the role in the scene. I didn't realize she was actually wearing a costume for that. Yeah. I didn't notice that. I also do love Krusty admitting to how hack this is

and just like, a restaurant! Like, the craziest place for a sketch ever this sequence then uh they after five minutes they finally ground it back with the family of explaining why they're they're worried not to sound like an executive giving network notes but why is it lisa that's sad that crusty's retiring shouldn't it be bart's like bart should be the one who's sad about it. You're right about that.

Yeah. But they say, now I've become the monster I was just making fun of. I really laughed. Again, this episode is not, I don't love it, but there's a lot of really, like, you know, just gut-punch jokes. I love Homer imagining a world without Krusty. And it's just a different clown is on TV. Different clown.

So good. Was it Nutsy the Clown? Yeah, Nutsy the Clown. And in Homer's dream world, he's excited. He's like, oh boy. And then when it ends, Homer has no reaction. He just resumes eating. That's a really good.

If you're going to do a dream cutaway thing, which I feel like they had turned down a bit because of like Family Guy was on at the same time. You're right about that, yeah. But I love that Homer has nothing for it. He's like, just bites, just silencing bites. Also, like the Bart in that dream cloud is drawn poorly to the point that I laugh at it. He has just like a weird ear in it and it makes it even funnier this is when boy you're you're really

rolling the dice simpsons to make a joke in season 12 about overstaying your welcome 20 years ago right yeah 20 seasons ago yeah it's uh but i mean they they knew they they knew what all the notes were on their show of like this you guys are repeating yourselves or all that i it's fun they can at least laugh about i like that magg guys are repeating yourselves or all that i it's fun they can at least laugh about i like that maggie doesn't even give a crap that she's being accused like even this this plot line to her is meaningless yeah they then cut to kent brockman reporting on it compares it to the uh the death of the banana splits in an airplane i love that joke uh that in this world the banana splits are people who died not costumes that are

shared they died like buddy holly richie valens and the big bopper that's right funnily enough in 2019 the banana split starred in a hard r horror film that was like five nights at freddy's kind of style it was very odd yeah yeah wasn't it like a ripoff of five nights at freddy's they were like this this ip cost nothing yeah i only know this because red letter wasn't it like a ripoff of five nights at freddy's they were like this this ip cost nothing yeah i only know this because red letter media did a like a special video about this but the five nights at freddy's movie has not come out yet but there are already three ripoffs one of them has nicholas cage in it yes yeah where barely doesn't say one word the entire movie yeah yeah the banana splits one is the craziest because it uh to me because it does feel like

warner just said well we got what those weird uh furry uh puppet guys we got those we're not doing a single thing with them cover them in blood and have like a character decapitated next to him who cares i mean but one thing that really does happen that i have always failed at is agents and managers will be like here's a book of all the IPs this company owns that they're doing nothing with. And it's usually things like, more often than not, because it's me, they've been like, here's a list of Atari games. And it'll be like, breakout. And that's why sometimes you'll be like, wait a minute, someone's pitching a movie based on Pong? Because weirdly, studios will be like, oh, it's based on existing IP.

Sure, we'll buy it. And it has nothing to do with it at all. It's insane. But there's like binders. There's binders of things where it's like, oh, we had this cartoon in 1972. If you want to make something of it, maybe we'll pay you. And that's, I mean, that also, I guess that goes to that executives wouldn't be doing their job type thinking of like, if there's IP that isn't being used right now, then that's a failure on the company's part.

That Battleship movie was a big win for somebody. Yes, yeah. I mean, but seriously, yeah. Seriously, it went through. People pitched it. They were like, yes, Hasbro, I'm sure, was like, oh, finally. Yes. Or is it Mattel?

Anyway. No, it's Hasbro. It says, I think it was even people were joking like, well, this Battleship movie is's part of the hasbro averse that includes the transformers as well man yeah i mean that and also i guess that shows how slow hollywood can work with any video game movie because that five nights at freddy movie should have been made four years ago like it should have been just like in an afternoon like there we're done like it's that it still hasn't happened when like three years ago i went to a target and saw kids clothes of five nights at freddy's and i was like what the hell i felt like the oldest man in the world then and well it is weird that like 23 years after the series aired we're getting the

netflix version of cowboy bebop yeah i feel like that has been traded back and forth throughout hollywood for 23 years like you make it, you make it. No, you make it. You make it. How old is Keanu Reeves? Can he play Spike? Yeah, I know. Is he 62 old? Now Keanu's too big for it.

There was a lull there where it's like, oh, Keanu's star fell a little bit. We could get him. And now it's like, no way, man. He makes whatever he wants. I know he was pegged to be like, he be in akira yeah for a long time well because he's like sort of a he has some asian ethnicity so they can be like that's close enough to casting an asian in the role isn't it isn't it yeah that's honestly though you're saying that as funny dialogue genuinely guarantee network executives said that word for word

yeah it's like you know like being like he's asian enough right like that was probably a conversation between two white executives yes uh but yeah then we get the uh the very realistic cop action of wiggum uh using anti-riot on a peaceful protest well not even protest a peaceful vigil a cry in a cry in yeah time out gas this is a great joke and I couldn't I couldn't find what specific thing they were referencing I guess the person there I feel like I have seen Al Roker with a weird backdrop and he's like where am I guess but I couldn't

my research came up empty but another reference to Stephanie the weather girl right that's right wife at this point that's right maybe can't around when they were doing like where in the world's matt lauer or was that later i'm trying you know what i replaced roker with i replaced matt lauer with roker in my brain because i don't want to think about that you're right well where is he now where well he's he's in his home and he's not

going to leave there he's in a very large home that he'll never have to suffer yeah you know but he won't get to be on tv whenever he feels like it and isn't that damn that's a form of prison yeah that's really that's cruel and unusual no punishment worse yeah but yeah you know back then i definitely feel there was this spade in the like the in the year 2000 even you know of these the farewell interview of the of old celebrities like i i don't know like when letterman ended his show i guess he did like a 60 minutes interview or something like this is the last interview before the last episode so i i suppose this still goes on though nobody's truly gone like

i mean until they're dead but but like nobody gives their last interview like like carson carson did give a last interview and then was like nope no more interviews i'm really done yeah punched out but here crusty reveals a shocking secret to uh to the world that includes of a watching sideshow bob kent the young people today they think comedy is dirty words it's not it's words that sound dirty, like muckluck. Muckluck. You like that? No charge. Muckluck. Oh, can it, you tiresome totsitter. I was the risible one in our dyad. Ever watch the old episodes?

Oh, can't that's a sad story. I taped over all my old episodes. Well, you know, I had a thing for Judge Judy and blank tape was $3.99. What would you do? Those are my shows. Frankly, Kent, those episodes were no big loss. The show didn't really get funny until we fired Sideshow Bob and hired Whozits. You've erased my past. Now I'll erase your future. hey lights out oh honestly at chino they get to stay up till nine now bob i've talked to the warden at chino and that's just not true

i you know i do think one of the best things about Gene getting back to Sideshow Bob is his mutter. I mean, Sideshow Bob muttered in the non-Al Gene episodes, but he mutters so much in this episode. It's a mutter fest. When the rake hits him later, it feels like they just pulled the clip because the audio quality is different. I think they did. Yeah, I think you're right. This did anchor me at first, but upon watching it again, the retcon in my head or the head cannon i have is that cecil got moved to another cell and bob was fine but this is what drove him over the edge like this is what drove him to want to kill crusty this this incident sure that he

could have left the prison at any time but only finding out that his entire career had been erased which you know in the internet world that's just what we deal with. It's like, oh, every article I wrote is gone. Well, it's fine. It's for the best. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that, Bob.

I just wish he like when he sees Bart later, I'm like, please, just one line. But Gene does bring back Cecil in the future. He does. So he does not completely forget about him at all. I do like that prison guard, though. Yes. Oh, yeah. I like the idea.

He's like, I called him. And it's just not. It's such an unusual beat of a joke for a prison guard to almost sound like a babysitter. I know that prison is a very complicated thing. And we can talk about the economics and whatever of it behind. But that joke of a prison guard is very funny to me. Just as like like it's just not true it's just not true i called him there are a lot of jokes you can make about prison

and that's one of the better ones yeah yes yes on the on the other side of that is prison guard prison bride magazine which i am yeah look it's 2000 like the the idea of uh sexual assault happening in prison was for some reason very funny to us back then. It's insane to think about now. But I guess, you know, talking about changing comedy norms and all that, it's funny that in this case, in 2001, the joke is that the old comedian is complaining that the young people swear too much when now that the now the old comedians complain that they don't swear enough or they don't uh everyone doesn't want to offend people it's uh what a turn times have taken yeah yeah but i mean now it's just uh mike you've i've one of my favorite tweets years i wish well my favorite tweet of yours uh to the tiny man, Ben Shapiro.

That was the greatest tweet. Oh, yes. That's one of the greatest tweets ever. People reached out to me like I won a prize. There were people I hadn't spoken to in years that were like, hey, man, I saw that. And I'm like, I didn't sell a movie. I insulted a man. But another of yours was of like, you wish you could just have it so easy that you just make a Netflix special that just has a picture of you standing in front of fake protesters that are trying to silence you.

And just your entire comedy bit is just and they won't let me say this, will they? I think that was Nick DiPaolo. I think that was a Nick DiPaolo special. Oh, boy. Could be right or wrong. I'm glad. I don't know man it's it's it's an old comedy generation thing where it's it's i mean such a tiring conversation where people are like

you can't say anything anymore and you're like not no that's not true and people can also say a lot more that they couldn't say before too it times a change yeah also i've seen the people who when they say things i don't like they get richer and richer so they aren't silenced i wish they'd shut the fuck up but they they get richer for it in a lot of cases yeah and it's also like you can't exist as an edgy person without credit like you can say like i'm edgy how dare anyone criticize me but the only thing that makes you edgy to your audience is that people are criticizing you yeah like if everyone was like joe rogan's right all the time like i think he's a medical genius and like people that they found his fans found Yes. Like, if everyone was like, Joe Rogan's right all the time. Like, I think he's a medical genius.

And, like, people that they found, his fans found aesthetically annoying, thought Rogan was great, they would not think Rogan's great. It's about the aesthetics of being edgy, not like he's telling the truth and other people are afraid of it. Yes, yeah.

Oh, man. It just, I can't, Bob said it on Twitter, too. I'm just saying my favorite tweets now, but... Oh, please read all of mine. No, I mean, any picture of the Rogan show is just like it does look like he's at a barbecue. Like he's at a barbecue restaurant. He's in a barbecue. He's a big slab of meat being cooked.

He's just all muscle, no hair, hairless muscle. Same. Same, man. Same. Absolutely the same. Also very putting in 2000 with a Judge Judy joke. She'll be a character soon. Yeah.

Oh, God, Constance Harm. Yes. Judge Judy, one of the richest people in television, I think. I don't know who's richer, her or Ellen. They're pretty close, I think. But it's that daytime TV. It doesn't win the Emmys. It makes you rich, though.

It really does. No, it wins you the Emmys. It makes you rich, though. It really does. No, it wins you the Emmys. It just doesn't win you the popular Emmys. The daytime Emmys, right. Oh, sure. Oh, yeah. I have friends who have worked on controversial daytime shows who have won Emmys for that. And that still won't go back to controversial shows whose titles, I don't know.

We should have introduced you as Emmy-nominated guest. We should have. Emmy failing to win guest yeah no but like i daytime to emmy shows if you get a show in that rhythm you get emmy after emmy after emmy and you know the machinery of it like almost is appealing to me too of like you work really hard for three months and then just like nine months it's over you don't you're not filming nothing like yeah uh the reference to like losing shows is uh they they say it's like the earliest episodes of carson got lost but like most television from the in the 50s or 60s like was not catalogued and saved yeah they weren't thinking of like archival reasons or re-airings or things like that they were just like well this

was on one night and then it's not on it's like radio yeah i yeah i remember watching that uh that very good like six hour long monty python documentary and eric idol mentions they almost lost the original masters of monty python's flying circus because the bbc literally was going to tape over them and like well we didn't want to buy new tapes like we just they like somehow near the last minute the pythons were able to save their masters and be like don't tape over these that's just like how uh because i think that was because of the war but for a lot of the history of like warner brothers cartoons and disney cartoons they would wash the cells off and reuse them yes so you just you can't get a lot of cells because they just are gone because they're the paint was wiped away yeah or they or they'd say i read a story of them selling them you know you

could buy them for like two dollars at disneyland like just uh yeah a diff a different time then we cut to basically a sequel scene from cape fear of bob getting paroled and still a very 90s joke of like ah you can get paroled whenever you feel like it it's so easy in prison it's a revolving door I do like Bob uh Duncan on Tom Clancy it's it's uh less painful than reading him to be beaten by books I like that he's also like am I right folks it's just such a great moment uh he's playing to the audience, but it's like it all goes wrong. And before that, Bob shows feet on the show as well. It's his one big foot joke in the episode.

There's multiple times in this episode, too, where it feels like the artists are referencing themselves of like, the Bob walk out of prison is the same setup and staging of his walk out of prison is the same setup and you know staging of his walk out of prison in cape fear which then they also repeated in sideshow bob roberts but that's the one where he falls off and lands in the water bolts over here yes but but this one has uh chief wiggum uh threatening him and letting him know uh that he can't he can't but his threats don't that he can't, but his threats don't work. He can't keep up with Bob. Wiggum even says he's got short legs. He's just like Ralph, whose legs don't know how to be as long as Bart's

when chasing after him. He references his hooves. Yeah, got these little hooves. He called me Chief Pigum. Yeah, at this point, Wiggum just accepts, I'm a pig man. That's who I am. I have hooves, not feet.

This is also, they say it on the commentary one of the longest act ones they've ever done like this is almost 10 minutes this act one i feel like it could have ended right here with the wiggum thing but i guess they wanted to get bob in the school instead uh before have that be the cliffhanger commercial break thing first bob gets set up in some storage lockers that also feels like a very late 90s kind of we were realizing people live in their own storage lockers back it's funny yeah it's funny i laugh at it uh important moment in that uh because we are also doing season two uh i was doing prep for the debut of this character once known as wise guy or smart aleck or something like that a sarcastic man I think

he is named Raphael the name of the Bronson voice man is Raphael so that's where you get his name in this episode yeah I I couldn't believe what he called him Raphael I was like well wait that well I'm shocked it didn't stick like he says his name's Raphael but from then on it's still like no

Bronson voice man or wise guy. They just, unlike when he's called Jailbird Snake, it did not stick with Raphael. But on the Simpsons Wiki, they acknowledge that continuity. If you look up Raphael,

you'll see every appearance of sarcastic clerk, wise guy, or middle-aged man, as he is known in the script often all right yeah i like that but also you're just counting down the seconds till you see gil in this depressing area and he shows up you know you talk there's episodes so many jokes in this that are like oh it's a retread or it's a re return to all the other things we did with bob gil has premiered between bob's appearances so now that they've got gill they're like let's have

a bob and gill scene like they're funny together the biggest loser in the world uh who is just happy about it versus like another giant loser who has uh thinks he is not a giant loser it's a fun dynamic we get bob interacting with new characters like skinner and gill so i do like they do new things with him in this one yeah gill admits all of them are planning revenge on someone like they're all gonna kill a lot of people uh but bob's like well mine's better just slam and see you know 60 a month to live out of a storage locker pretty good deal you know if we didn't if it wasn't going to be a heat wave in California this year, I'd consider it. Just, you know, I could buy a house. Do that for three years, I could buy a house.

Just cash up front. Not in California, of course. No. No. But yes, then Bob heads to the school. I kind of wish they'd explored this a little more. Like, Sideshow Bob at the elementary school. Like, they really only deal with it for like two minutes yeah i forgot how this episode went and i thought they'd explore

more of him having this role in the school and intimidating bart but really it's just to get him into that uh that shed yes yeah i guess really bob could just appear in that shed at any time and wouldn't need to even like get bart there but i I mean seeing the Skinner Bob scene that's funny too I like that they're they're funny together Bob uh gets hired to be assistant janitor to Willie uh but then you know he instantly leapfrogs over Willie straight to the intercom like that's you know he's he's a upwardly mobile guy that Bob instantly uh makes it uh what isn't even an assistant to willie once you know uh and and skinner doesn't give a crap that bob has been trying to kill bart for years now or one year because bart never ages but let's you know that's complicated too but

but this intercom bit it also is another thing gene really loves with writing bob uh which he did you know in cape fear was recognizing that kelsey grammar has a beautiful voice and making that a plot point in the episode and it's really i mean he does have a great voice no getting around it and uh though he didn't well oh we'll get sorry i was gonna say he doesn't sing this episode but he almost did but we'll get to that yeah now don't try anything funny this time, Bob. I'm going to be on you like red beans on a... Hey, hey, hey, don't walk so fast.

Hey, no fair. You got long legs. I got these little bitty hooves. Bob! Okay, here's your storage locker. Just the way you left it. Thank you, Raphael. Now, this is a ticklish question, but... You want to live in the box? Cost you two bucks a day.

Oh, thank you, kind innkeeper. You're gonna want to wake up Jeb. Please. No problemo. Hiya, neighbor! Hey, what you writing there if you must know it's an exquisite scheme for revenge ah revenge half the guys in here are working on that well mine's better but yes then bob gets the job he even does his same kind of like evil laughter that from sideshow bob

roberts uh and then boom act two starts at the 10 minute mark we haven't commented on this uh maybe we did the last time bob was on the show but uh kelsey grammar's career let's investigate this because uh he is now like doing the same like nicholas cage i film a movie in bulgaria in a weekend kind of deal like with money plane money play and things like that like uh i reviewed movies for like four years so i still get like press releases he's in some new movie with like janine garofalo that seems really ridiculous like is that frazier reboot happening it is it's happening yeah okay i'm sure it is i forget i forget where it's going but i mean he's in it i don't know who else is signed on to it uh from original frazier but he's gonna do it and i mean you know it makes hey he's got a son who's grown up he should move in with his son and it's you

know the premise seems easy enough to figure out but i i do feel like you know if you can't get david hyde pierce for it at the very least you're kind of missing the point of the show, Frasier. But how we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner and greener at Electric Ireland. We can help guide you there. You see, our new net zero hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels, and much more. Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, your home cozier, and your world brighter. Find our Net Zero Hub at electricireland.ie.

But no, I think, yeah, he did money play in one of the silliest pandemic released movies there was. Like, truly ridiculous. Sorry, the movie I was talking about earlier is called The God Committee. It's the movie version of that philosophical discussion, like who would you give the heart transplant to? The doctor, the teacher, the blank, the this, the that. It's that

sort of like philosophical discussion you have. They made it into a movie and he's in it with Julia Stiles, that's what happened to her, Janineffalo dan hidea and colman domingo so uh yeah i got i got a press release about that i'm like that's where kelsey grammar is okay all right man i guess that alimony doesn't pay itself no i he he he has a lot of alimony yes is uh you know though i i uh since our last time doing sideshow bob i did interview spencer grammar so her father's amazing yes no no i'm just saying it was funny uh she's she's the voice of summer on rick and morty and she did say you know she loved growing up with a

with dad as sideshow bob and she got to have like a the simpsons jacket can be the envy of every kid at school. She grew up to be a voice actor herself. I guess I'm just, maybe I'm naive. I'm just shocked that he did a network, a huge network sitcom, including Cheers, for like 20 years. And he's still got to do these movies? Yeah. Where does the money go? I don't know.

He is on wife floor. I wonder if it's not even about the money. It's almost like fading away like marty mcfly in the photograph where you're like oh wait do i have to spend the last 20 years of my life doing nothing i guess i'll take this at least it seems like i'm doing something yeah you know i get in actors actors like to work they're just like i you know some of them was a joan rivers documentary like she uh they show that bit of her going like, I have an empty calendar. I can't have that. Like fill in this calendar right now.

Yeah. So it's also like, you know, I'll have friends occasionally. This isn't the same thing, but there'll be like, I don't understand why this actor did that commercial. I mean,

it's why would he do that? And I'm like, because they paid him $300,000 for eight hours of work. So even if you're rich already, you're like, fuck it. I'll do that. Yeah.

Hey, why not have more money i got yeah yeah so then bob's next step in his plan begins as bart listens to the intercom good morning springfield elementary in the lost and found today we have one plaid kilt i believe the clan is graham of montrose this new morning announcer sounds awfully familiar and finally bart simpson should immediately proceed unescorted to the old sports equipment shed behind the school so long suckers real so long suckers era, The Simpsons era. It's like it's every two episodes is a So Long Suckers. I forgot to mention there's a game show pennant at the start of that episode, too.

So a lot of the pennant and a sucker. And Gil. And Gil, yeah. Now, in terms of other Sideshow Bob episodes, this one does feel like Cape Fear in that Bob's plan is awful and not thought through. Because in every other episode, his scheme needs to be undone there are like there are machinations there are steps in the plan but this is just like stick a bomb on bard and shove him at crusty and that's it and i think you can get away with it because it is a parody and that's basically how it's able to be this stupid yeah because bob's plan in cape fear is like go on a boat and stab a boy to death yep and that's it stab him till he can't be stabbed no more yeah i uh i mean i i uh i do like the joke of willie

in his underpants like it's it's kind of strange for a character who always wears overalls that this one time when he doesn't have his kilt he walks walks around in his underpants. But it makes it funnier. In the indie storyboards, he actually is just in his normal outfit with the kilt. And it doesn't work the same. It's funnier to see a sad Irish Scottish man staring at the ground in his underpants going, Oh. Bart is called to the creepy old storage locker, which is full of bats. It's a real Elm Street reference, his walk there, too.

And the director on the commentary mentions that was a physical animated background that was about eight feet long to make it work. Oh, wow. But yes, Bart gets confronted here, and he's not even a little bit scared. Hello, Bart. Oh, it's you, Bob. How you doing? No screams? little bit scared. I cannot fail. Ricks, my old arch enemy. I thought I was your arch enemy. I have a life outside of you, Bart.

What are you going to do to me? Oh, believe me, I have a plan. Let's see. Get job at school and how to lure Bart to shed secure. Same to chair with rope. Ah, here we are. Have Bart kill Krusty. Krusty? That's the one man I would never kill.

Oh, you will kill Krusty during his final show. And you won't even know you're doing it. Watch the shiny quarter, Bart. That's it. Oh, damn it. it where'd it go i needed that for laundry hey stupid you looked

so yeah the initial rake hit that's definitely from eight years ago yes yeah somehow the flemminess of uh fraier has changed over time. You know, maybe that's why they didn't have on Sideshow Bob for four years. They're just like, he's very busy with Frasier. That's like, you know, seven days a week. This whole section here of Bart recognizing the history and saying like 6-0, which is true. There have been six Sideshow Bob schemes. He's appeared in more episodes but

in non-speaking roles it's six appearances previous to this for grammar though i did see on uh the wikipedia of one of the wikipedia's there was the argument that the score really should be five one and oh because bart didn't defeat bob it was cecil's plot and then the cops arrested bob at the end of it so it's not that Bart defeated Sideshow Bob in that one in the damn burst anyways yeah damn burst anyway so I would call that one a draw it shouldn't be

five and one but like five one and oh that's what I call it fair sure but I also really love his over enunciation on eep, like that he has to really hit the P at the end of that eep, which Bart has said many times.

For example, in Bart's Inner Child, he says eep when everybody turns on him as the town blames the boy. Taken from Archie? I think so. I think George Meyer took that from Archie, yeah. Just like yoink and meh. All the favorite words of George Meyer took that from Archie. Yeah. Just like yoink and meh. All the favorite words of George Meyer.

He's a genius just for giving those words to comedy writers and comedy nerds. But yeah, the rake bit, it is a bit self-referential on their part, but I kind of like it. I don't find it too cringe. I'm like, yeah, that break made me laugh. Sure. You know, now it feels even weirder that on the show, they referenced Simpson's memes of like Bart,

Bart and his friends saying like, Oh, I saw my dad do this on Twitter. And then he just like, they all walk backwards into a, into a bush. That's, that's a little weirder,

but yeah, I always love when Bart gets Bob with a childhood trick of like, hey, stupid, you looked like, that's good. And the director of this episode points out on the commentary that spinning a bullseye doesn't make it a crazy concentric circle

that can hypnotize you. That's not how it works. He's like, this is the biggest cheat I've done. That probably really pissed me off as well like i i think i just remember my anger at the end of the episode but i bet that bugged me in my first viewing too of like we all know that's not like if you spin a bullseye it's just circles moving you don't and if you move it up and down it does not look like a spiral like no way your parents are like stop just i don't want to know this please stop telling a

tense breakfast the next morning at the gilbert house like look this was cute when you were nine but you're a senior in high school now and they won't invent podcasts for another decade yeah but once he gets them i do love it's such a great joke about the fictionalization of hypnotism in anything. Like Bart just unprompted says, I am under your command. He's like, I didn't say anything about command. I said power. Not only does Bart get hypnotized, but he gets hypnotized in the most like, you know, 1960s, like Batman kind of hypnotism way. Which this is me turning into a network note again but like i think there's so much comedy in bart being hypnotized the entire episode and the rest

of the family not reacting to it i wish they'd have done more see they only have really two jokes about that like the next scene of him coming home hypnotized and hit the family not really noticing and then the one and then one later but just bart looking off walleye just saying i was at the flower shop like that's funny getting drunk at the old flower shop yeah see i have another wine about that one oh no okay homer has is unashamed and unembothered by being a heavy drinker he wouldn't lie that he was off somewhere drinking he gets he gets blackout drunk in front of his family all the time as a joke i don't i like it less like it should be i don't know homer's saying like i forgot your birthday at the old flower shop or

something like i i i just don't like a joke that homer would lie about being drunk he's he's always drunk it's true yeah that's fair i but hey look i i do love bart there's actually a deleted scene that's way funnier uh that i wish they'd have kept instead of the getting drunk at the old flower shop so bart says they get invited to the last crusty episode which why was why crusty invite them they reunited him with his father but he never remembers that stuff because but but so bart walks in and when he says i was at the flower shop getting you flowers and march says where are they bart just holds up his arm empty he's like here they are and that i just love that they have to accept like uh okay they just move on

like a joke yeah i think they were concerned not enough homer in this episode because homer is barely in this yeah it is it's very light homer yeah you're right uh and then also the at this point in the commentary yardley smith just enters she's like hey it's me i'm here and he's i don't think she had seen the episode in a while i don't think so either she did she didn't have much to say but i think hey i've heard the stories of like that those commentary recordings you get a really nice free lunch and you're just like hey those guys are doing a commentary i'm going in there and getting a free lunch too yep but yes they then cut to bart's final training on the Krusty figure outside of the Krusty Burger.

Now, to see if you will really attack your hero. Yes! Yes! Work the groin! Excuse me, could you take our picture? It should focus automatically. It do. Chief, you might want to take a look outside. That's it! Kill Krusty! Just like you'll kill him tomorrow night!

Oh, it's so great to see a kid using a wooden bat. These days it's all aluminum this and George W. that. Hey, Chief, look what I got in my Laffy meal. Oh, mini pinball. Hey, give that back. Give what back, Lou? That's a good laugh. I'm genuinely jealous of that little pinball.

I love little arcade things. That's my good laugh. I'm genuinely jealous of that little pinball. I love little arcade things. That's my whole thing. I saw that re-watching this episode, and I was like, I wonder if that was real. Which is not the point of the scene. You know, I remember my mom, actually, I think she loved collecting Happy Meal toys even more than me. I remember during the Wendy's Nintendo 64 stuff, they did have, it wasn't exactly pinball, but it was like a move a marble around game. And it looks like a Mario 64 course.

You remember this too, Mike? Mario Kart 64. It was a Mario Kart 64 course, but you're right. Yeah, and it looked like the cursed N64 controller. Yeah. I think I remember getting like a Wendy's Happy Meal, Kids Meal, whatever, like in my early 20s

to get the Mario Kart figure and just feeling some shame. It was a drive-thru, so they could like, I've got a child at home, presumably, right? Yeah. See, I skipped out on those

because it was the motorcycle version in those, I think, or one of them was. I was like, I don't want that motorcycle version of Marioio kart that's not that's wrong mario kart to me that was uh that's the only one i didn't really touch was mario kart we that's the only one i skipped you missed nothing i missed yeah bad all the best all the best courses just got put into eight anyway so yeah you know i it's funny to hear kelsey grammar scream at work the growing, but I laughed more at the very muted exchange of him and Cletus.

Like, there's no, they don't do a Cletus is a dumb hick joke. He's just like, you do. Okay. Like, just this. I love that exchange. There's something real about it. It's nice because it's like a real life exchange between two goofy characters where it's like, it should focus. Yeah, it does. Like, you don't need anymore. characters where it's like it should focus. Yeah, it does.

You don't need it anymore. Yeah. He's just like, oh, yeah, you do. Yeah. Like, no, he's not impressed. Like, hell, you take pictures with a kid or whatever. That just very, very muted. And this is another one from the storyboard and the animatic.

The Laffy meal scene isn't there. It just ends with Bob cackling so i like that little moment with the cops being like kids i love that yeah that that wiggum is such a dick that he just steals the guy's happy meal toy from him like oh and there's like what pinball like oh what a dick man that's that's the worst he's done as a as a cop that wig i'm stealing a pinball uh the but i also uh i really love the posing that ends in the shot of like bart smashing the crusty face and bob just like just neck back just hands in the air laughing like that's a really great drawing there's a good really good drawings in this one the crusty episodes lost a little bit once silverman left the show as a executive uh or

series director because i definitely think when he was there he'd be like oh a crusty scene let me draw a couple poses for that you know and brad bird too right and brad bird both a big bob backer a big yeah the biggest of bob backers was bird yes brad bird biggest bob backer but yeah act two four minutes long has to be one of the shortest acts they ever did in the show we then come back with a big big old misdirect it uh it almost got me in my first three watch i was like wait what i i don't remember this but then crusty dies like daffy duck yes yeah which they wouldn't really do that on the show but that what a good i really do love the joke of like the sniper rifles you know that's the specific reference to the original manchurian

candidate but when fire comes out of it that did i chuckle that was a good joke and this scene written to cover up a parody of zippity-doo-dah yes yeah oh yes so this this is the tale of Hullabaloola. So they recorded a song with Kelsey Grammer, an original song for this, a riff on Zippity Doo Dah, but it is called Hullabaloola, and it's him singing about how happy is he's going to kill Krusty. Well, here, I'll just play it. Yeah. Hullabaloola, hullabaloo-lay I can't wait to kill Krusty today Bart takes the rap while I get away

Hullabaloo-la, hullabaloo-lay Mr. Bluebird's got explosives He'll call out the Mounties They'll find Clown in seven counties Lots of kaboomba heading his way Alla baloo Alla baloo Along, along the lane. Wow, it goes along.

I'm sad they didn't include that. I mean, this is on the album Testify, the third Simpsons original music album. Yes, yeah. For the series. And apparently they couldn't get the rights, they couldn't clear it, but it feels like it's a sound alike. Yeah. They're not using the zippity-doo-dah music i don't know what the legal

issue was maybe fox just too worried about it maybe yeah the song of the south sometimes where you're like it's clearly a parody but the legal team's just sort of like nope we don't even want to deal with it yeah we we've heard tales on other simpsons episodes where they go like uh you know should we risk it should we not and i think too you can tell over the years they're just like we they care more and more like when when homer sings the under the sea song in season six like oh yeah that's like he's doing the exact same thing here it's not the actual song it's not the tune but it's similar enough that you understand it yeah yeah but maybe. But maybe by 12, the, the,

there was a new lawyer in charge and Fox who's, or they just weren't feeling like it as much. I don't know. Yeah. It's always also possible. Like with a lot of like S and P or legal departments, you'll almost negotiate where you're like, okay,

well, can you give me this for this episode? And they're like, okay, you can do that, but you can't do this. Like you'll kind of negotiate back and forth on things. And I can see this being like, do we love this enough that we want to sacrifice this other thing we're fighting over?

Well, thankfully, Barry Manilow not as litigious as Disney. You know, I think too, Scully was really about paying for or getting permission for a song parody. He didn't like doing sound likes. Apparently, they uh a few episodes earlier when they did this land was made for you and me they actually did get permission uh from guthrie and that's why they had to change the the end line of their joke of like it's it's killing you and me and they had to change that because the the rights holders like no we don't want that line and they did it so i it seems like just at the time they were like uh can we the the rights holders like no we don't want that line and they did it so i it seems

like just at the time they were like uh can we get the rights but but then again no way was disney gonna give zippity-doo-dah or any rights to a competitor like that disney and their song rights they would if they asked for it now disney would be like no no no no you can't do zippity-doo i would bet what's surprising to me is that they didn't like it's not like a scratch version that they recorded to send out to get approved like it's a fully produced version of that song yeah so it must have been cut pretty late in the game yeah i you'd have to think uh i couldn't find one in my research for but you'd have to think it got boarded at the very least yeah maybe there's finished animation that they just couldn't put on a dvd yeah yeah i uh but the the song i mean yeah that's like classic alf clausen songwriting for two like it's perfect i wish when he sings to the bird i'm like oh man he they it's not just a zippity

do dot riff but like it's him walking down and singing to a bird on his shoulder like i guess we're lucky that it even got put out on testify as like a a lost cut you know because i don't think it was it's not on the dvd it's just on testify yeah uh but but instead at this point uh it gets replaced with rafael waking up bob with a surprise bug spray that i have to think rafael has killed multiple men but but no one's gonna miss them they're the guys who live his tenants they're the the type of bodies that don't go missing that means their lease is up yes bob missed his payment one time and he bug sprays him until he's unconscious

yep so we cut to the red carpet very distractingly large chested woman is with ron howard which like that's not Ron Howard's wife like what a weird I was just so distracted by why did they draw a buxom woman to walk down the red carpet with Ron Howard yeah I think he's had the same wife since he got married to her right I'm pretty sure yeah I don't know why I I don't get it but then Gary Coleman uh walks down and does his karate moves they replay the same clip they've used for like two years now gary coleman appearances i think you know they joke on the commentary that he makes like 800 bucks for that i wonder if they really are doing that of like gary coleman's on

hard times let's just play his voice clip again and give him 800 bucks it's fun to see him again yeah now that we can't oh yes yeah and then comes a joke that like okay in the year 2000 with arnold schwarzenegger really in that bad of a spot oh i wanted to comment on this because again we are doing season two at the same time and i just did research for the first appearance of mcbain and that was in 1991 schwarzenegger was about to launch terminator 2 he had already done total recall he had a great late 80s at this point in time he had his biggest flop to date which was uh the sixth day sure and i assume people thought that oh it's over for him he had his time in the sun and i guess it kind of was he would never be as big as he was in the 90s but he survived last action hero but the sixth day is what really

kind of knocked him down a few pegs and that had a budget of uh 82 million and it made like 96 okay oh what a failure yeah no i yeah i think uh why i yeah i was looking at that timeline too i think it must have spooked him because he did then do terminator 3 this is next movie he's like fine is this what you want terminator here i'll put on the jacket again and i mean that was also like one of his first things after uh being the governor uh and you know after all that stuff happened after being governor oh yeah i was like why wasn't he a movie star because he was the governor of the state we live in i forgot about that yep i only lived here for the tail end of his of his terms which uh it was still weird it was definitely weird to be like right arnold's my

governor and of course now that weirdness is like oh who cares oh arnold is your governor could a weirder thing happen than having donald trump as president i i hate to risk the guy we're gonna go back to this podcast when president marjorie taylor green gets sworn in but even she's like she's yeah she's a politician like she's not a tv she's not like a famous true like yeah that's i'm risking it by even questioning that you know what forget it it's gonna be like a twitch streamer who just says the n-word like they're gonna be it's they're gonna be our president in 2040 uh and that's when the 100 year old trump will be like see you miss me don't you like because he'll he'll live to. Of course he will. He'll live long enough to hug Ellen.

Oh, yeah. Why, yes. Anyway. Yeah, you know, but this joke that Arnold's like a fat, washed-up guy. Like, there was another. Like, the previous year they did a joke of Ramiro Wolfcastle is fat. Like, that he had put on weight. Arnold stayed in all right shape.

I guess you'd see him with like a slight punch on the beach or whatever in like uh the tabloids perhaps I think they're referencing Stallone putting on weight to be in cop land that was a big story so I think they were filtering that through Rainier Wolf Castle so I think that's what that previous joke was not this one though right right this in general it feels like a lost critic gag there's uh every yeah yeah just like it's much more like of the critic joke i mean in the simpsons movie when they made arnold literally arnold the president they also did jokes of like i'd have to go back and do bad movies like there's something to al jean i think especially it's like talking about the many bad films of arnold schwarzenegger

is just like as a comedy goldm mine for him he loves that so here's where there's another deleted scene one i am glad they deleted but only for continuity reasons so on the red carpet right before they do the plant joke with bob itchy and scratchy arrive in person oh good and they are treated as living characters that live in the world it's like ken prockman's like wow itchy and scratchy are here which i was like what what yeah uh i i don't like that i do not like that and uh but the joke is that they say well what are you gonna do after you're retired and then she says well it's time for now that we're off the show it's time we can announce we're lovers of selling collectible plates okay and then it's a pitch for them to sell collectible plates of themselves now if they

were like in mascot costumes that'd be funnier but i don't like the reality of them being real yeah in the world they already were on the hollywood squares or the springfield squares that's right yeah there was precedent that was set uh i don't like it no i don't yeah uh but uh but yes bob arrives hiding behind some plants uh and then crusty gets introduced which he says he's retired five times and i did see on one of the wikis it counted they're like no it is five times but what they call retirements in that wiki for five times one is when he's arrested it's like see his show's over he got arrested that's retirement it's like his second time crusty gets canceled well no show got canceled that's not retirement third time he fakes his death that's they call that a retirement and then in the jay leno stand-ups episode he actually

announces his retirement so they count what they call this the fifth retirement they're like oh if you count those other ones that makes it five but i wonder what aljean is trying to tell us because so much of the critic was about jay is getting fired or ending his show there are maybe like half of the plot lines are that yes yeah so i wonder if he that's like a concern of his or just a fantasy like what if i didn't have to write anymore wouldn't it be great well and also you know the like uh just from his time working on carson which sounded like it was like two years tops they i think less i think it was like 18 months that you mentioning the critic critic had three different episodes where it's like it's the anniversary special and we watch clips like he does that that shows up so many in gene's

things i think it's because he worked on like two carson anniversary specials of just like oh this is it's just like a great structure like let's just remember stuff and there's easy jokes and you can just cut to a clip of an old thing it's fun this is very weird that crusty comes out and he's like hey everybody now a monkey wait where's your monologue now upon reflecting on it I think this is here so you know like well Mr. Teeny didn't come

out of nowhere I guess he he's part of the act and of course when you see him later like oh Mr. Teeny was always here this is a satisfying ending sure sure and they do play the uh full monty had come out in 1997 so not not the freshest joke but they they did spring for you sexy thing by hot chocolate which is danced to in the film full monty so it's a they at least went for accuracy

though though i have to laugh that mr teeny puts on a speedo to do a strip tease he is normally nude like he is not a he's a he's got a fez and that's about in the bow tie right yes yeah so he put on clothes for this uh here's the one more deleted scene that's on the dvd so right before the full monkey uh sideshow mel comes out and drunkenly callsusty a fake friend who doesn't even know his last name and uh and Krusty's like that's then Krusty's like let's show a clip and he's like cut cut like so it's cute but uh it's not it's not the most essential it's another Ed McMahon is drunk joke is that it is I'm sure it is a very tiny reference on the commentary they say this that Krusty is sitting in a stool that's also a reference carson how he would do that for anniversary shows there would be like a stool

he would sit on so that was important enough to keep in the show fine i like the carson in his late years was like i'm just saying look i'm gonna sit down what are you gonna do for me complain i look lazy i'm sitting yeah homer is cheering on mr teeny as he dances uh that's that's what homer has to go blow up the clown which homer takes as a euphemism for going to the bathroom, I think. I never thought of that. Yeah, that's right. Go blow. But then Krusty looks back on his career,

his first time on television in 1957. It's time, Bart. Time to blow up the clown. Time to blow up the clown. Go blow. Time to blow up the clown. Time to blow up the clown. Go, blow! And now, a special treat. My TV debut on the Milk of Magnesia summer cavalcade. Let's watch.

Look at me. I'm Kaputnik, the Russian satellite. Oh, the bullshite's doing the nutcracker in my pants. Back then, you couldn't say pants on TV. I was banned for 10 years. Finally, I got a second chance on laughing. Hey, Krusty, what do you get when you cross a chicken with a beagle? The doors are stuck. Don't just stare, Artie.

Help me. Those lousy shutters sent me back another 22 years why did they cheer that they hate crusty i mean obviously it's pissing in your face because crusty had been on tv throughout that time period he didn't get like one chance in the 50s and one in the 60s and then one what 15 years later he's at 22 i think so 89 yeah yeah let's say okay here's my cover for that to not go crazy he uh is that he means national television that he could always be on springfield tv you you agree mike yeah i agree i agree that's a good workaround yeah okay i i also like the joke you know you always hear the stories like, oh, Lucy and Desi couldn't be in the same bed or all that back then.

So it's a funny the idea that pants, just the word pants could not be said on TV in the 50s. That's I like that. Was it was it Jack Parr? There was a host of The Tonight Show who was suspended for saying something like toilet. Oh, really? Oh, wow. In the 50s. It might have been Jack Parr. I forget. But he like I almost I'm probably butchering the story. who was suspended for saying something like toilet. Oh really? Oh wow. In the fifties.

It might've been Jack Parr. I forget, but he like, I, it almost, I'm probably butchering the story. So please look it up later, but it's almost something like they told him he couldn't tell the joke and he did it anyway. And they were like suspended him,

but he kind of like proudly was suspended. It was like a big story. Apparently. That's funny, man. You know, it's the little details when Krusty is trapped on Laugh-In that he's talking to a stagehand named Artie.

Like, he could just be saying, hey, you, get me out of here. And say, he's like, Artie. Now, Henry, you don't know the history of Laugh-In, do you? No, no. He's talking about comedian Artie Johnson. Oh, okay. We all know him. Sorry.

I had to look it up. Okay, thank you. Yeah. Now, I'm behind on my Laugh-In knowledge. Well, Nick at Night hasn't aired it since 1992. See, that is when I watched it as a little kid. But I only knew it as like my mom would mention like, oh, that's Goldie Hawn. She's famous for other things now or whatever.

Or I guess I could occasionally reference like I think I've seen Ruth Buzzy on other things. Or I've watched a Nickelodeon show that just straight up rips off jokes from laughing and then the first time i went to burbank i was like oh it's burbank that they sing about on on laughing i knew that mostly nobody remembers laughing uh it probably i mean it just didn't rerun all that much like it's it uh didn't stay in the consciousness like a brady bunch in gigan's Island. That aired in afternoons for like 30 years straight. Everybody could reference that. Laughing was too political. Yeah.

Then we panned down to where the plastic explosives were being worked on. It almost looks like they used 3D for it because there's like a perspective shift on this pan down, which normally they just have it be like a flat pan down through the floorboards very well done and it's it's so carson focused that bob does an impression of one of carson's famous characters that's right uh john stewart did a lot to the point where i think people think that's what john stewart does but no that's uh i think it's art fern the character you're right you're a corrector like that guy i like that you're right god uh i didn't i didn't even read that as a carson an extra carson joke in there but yeah i never really

watched art fern clips before because i i didn't watch carson i'm too young and the joke is like he's always in a sketch with a woman with enormous breasts that's mainly the point and i didn't know that was the that was the hook you're not you're not watching carson for carson well it's like uh i i would assume the imagined viewership back then was like you know uh to uh a couple in a loveless marriage and like it's this is the one treat that old the husband gets all year is watching the art friends something to think about as he drifts off to sleep yes yeah why can't you be like her i hate you all right let's fall asleep uh let's have a ninth kid yeah let's drink ourselves to sleep after uh but yeah i mean it's also funny to hear grammar of all

people do that you good plastic explosives i i think too it's a funny way that he says like blowing each of you to smithereens like it's a very fancy yale way of saying it i feel like we get a little gag about jerry's kids kind of bed of crusty yeah i forgot he's also uh jerry lewis too as it has needs needs for scene to scene, Krusty either has to be Jerry Lewis or Johnny Carson. It's just one of those two guys. Do you think we'll live to the point where Krusty is just doing like, he's basically Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon?

Yeah. Will we live that long? I wonder. You don't think so? He'll always be. Well, that's like they did a bit recently an episode where Kent Brockman starts a true crime podcast because he's like nobody watches the news anymore and they listen to podcasts and that was one of the watching that episode which I thought

I thought it was good but uh it was one of those moments where it's like oh yeah Kent Brockman is a late 80s tv news anchor he barely exists anymore the archetype he's he's parodying it's like oh yeah kent brockman is a late 80s tv news anchor he barely exists anymore the archetype he's he's parodying it's one of these things like oh you're you're starting to be lost in time and definitely the local cartoon clown uh for an area like those don't exist so much anymore either yeah now we're gonna show you some clips from... Oh, no. I wanted to keep this quiet. Can I embarrass this guy for a moment? Three years ago, Krusty pledged over a million dollars to start Krusty's Care Center.

Please stop already. To this day, Krusty has not given us a dime, has he, Frances? I'm cold all the time. Oh, look. It was all a bookkeeping snafu. Could I have the check now? Now? It... Ah, sure. God bless you, Krusty.

And if my banker's watching, let nothing stop you from payment of this check. Ah, the catwalk. A perfect vantage point for revenge. Ah, kettle chips. The perfect side dish for revenge. He gets confronted. He's told he's not not going to he hasn't actually paid that million dollars and that child's i'm cold all the time but this bit actually helped me in real life because i um a door-to-door salesman person came to me with like oh hey i'm selling magazines for whatever and i said well i don't have

you know 20 bucks but i could write you a check for 20 bucks like okay sure and when they left how we use electricity can be smarter cleaner and greener at electric ireland we can help guide you there you see our new net zero hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans ev tariffs solar panels and much more making your usage clearer your trips greener your home cozier and your world brighter find our net zero hub at electricireland.ie i slowly dawned on me like i just got scammed. I'm never getting a magazine. This was a lie.

And then I remember like, wait, Krusty said you could stop a payment on a check. I'm going to call my bank right now. And it worked out. Wow. Thank you, Krusty. Yeah. The way he screams, stop this payment. I like, though, that the doctor,

when he first comes on, he's like, can I embarrass this guy for a minute? And you expect that the bit's going to be him saying how charitable he is, and I'm going to embarrass him by saying you never paid us. It's such a fun turn. He literally is like, no, I am here to embarrass you. You have not paid me.

But, yes, this is when we get another i i have a question for you mike how many free things have you gotten for referencing a joke in a sketch or uh anything referencing a real product because they say for mentioning kettle chips in here they got sent a whole bunch of free kettle chips by the kettle chips company um it depends on the more famous the show the more you get like when we were at fallon we would make fun of dunkin donuts and then be sent a giant thing of dunkin donuts for everyone the next day we'd make fun of brands on sam b we definitely make fun of something and they don't send us things the other thing you do get is you

will get some things you don't want where like a company especially on a show like this one that's political where it's like you won't get sent free food but someone who really wants to like make donald trump toilet paper will send you three pallets of it expecting you to promote it i remember mike scully saying they they sent the simpsons a ton of breath assure that uh that breath uh oh yeah thing that you take you like swallow it or whatever it's not like a mint. And I think he said, I wanted to write a joke in the series. Like, hey, Marge, have you heard that breath assure causes cancer? Oh, yeah.

They didn't end up doing that. But yeah, that was like one of the things that were sent unsolicited. They said they had like their, they had all the butter fingers they could eat for a time in that room. Time to be alive. But Bill and Josh, they both complained in their time in seven and eight they did all these specific reference jokes like they did say the armor hot dog song didn't get sent one hot dog and it drove them crazy though like i we we joked with bill in one of our interviews with bill oakley of like you see he sees on the rick and morty show they make they make a mcdonald's

reference and they're like hey freeze that swuan sauce your whole life like all this shit gets sent to them he's like we did the whole armor hot dog song for a minute straight and we didn't get one hot dog but they but for this kettle times change when they did this kettle chips joke they got a bunch of free kettle chips i uh a laugh out loud joke i look forward to this joke in this in this episode where the sideshow bob does this terrible pun and like the stage hand is just like oh terrible yes i yeah uh i really love that because it almost felt like the show thought that was a good enough joke for bob they're like napoleon blown apart you know that's good enough and as a viewer you're like oh i thought the simpsons wrote a better joke than that to then have the staging like oh terrible i was like oh all right and that he

knows he knows leo and leo is not concerned a bomb is going to explode he's just i'm just doing my job he's like yeah and those lighting guys are focused on their job you know no reality they're their pros this is when uh crusty it's time for him to well first uh thank uh someone he doesn't believe in and then apologize you know i'd like to thank god for all my success even though i never worshipped or believed in him in any way but before i sweep up my last spotlight liked there's one thing I've gotta say over the years I've a lot of and I good good my share of a Luga there's only one thing I'm ashamed of ashamed there was a man who used to work for me a man of grace and humor but I mistreated him and drove him to a life of crime so wherever you

are I just want to say Sideshow Bob I'm sorry Oh Bob you repaid my abuse with raw hatred but I need you today Oh Bob well day oh bob well you went to our poos and you framed me so they locked me away oh that sweet funny man that's when it hits bob like oh no my boy bomb that's a funny term yeah but yeah that's the second barry manilow mandy joke in the series homer saying it first about mindy i i mean i don't think he's done it a lot but i love crusty's act outs where uh the one i love the most is the glug glug vroom vroom thump thump one he does in the hospital but this one's pretty great yeah whoa yeah i honestly forgot there was a joke where Krusty mimes getting high. Or also, like, his humping the air is very, like, specific.

Yeah, yeah. It's so fun. We're seeing Krusty's technique right there. I also, I just love, like, I thank God for all my success, even though I never worshipped or believed in him in any way. That's so good. And that photo of Bob and Krusty is a reference to the 1968 Simon and Garfunkel album, Bookends. It's the cover to that.

So if you wondered why it looks so specific, it fits because Art Garfunkel, his hair is kind of like Sideshow Bob. He had quite an afro back in the in the 60s i also like that his mandy parody brings up all of the facts of him being framed for robbing apu like he even says apu like he he zings about apu like the audience everyone knows apu you robbed apu that guy we all know then bart walks onto stage and uh it's a very it's the first time crusty has ever wanted to hug a child that's also what i love the one time he wants to he's like should i hug him yes uh which like i would think johnny carson would not be happy at all that a person walks onto stage out of the audience absolutely not bart walks very slowly like it it takes him 90

seconds to get on stage you know it wasn't like some of these commentaries are vindicating because i like when i don't like the ending and they don't either yes yeah they they for real say like this was a late rewrite they don't remember what the original ending was and then even gene goes like you want to do some punch up now like can we do it like this uh selman calls it the deus ex monkey na because bob tries to run on stage and it really should just be bob saving the day i think i here's my guess on why they didn't do that they wanted to kill the executives but they wanted it to be a blameless animal that kills the executives, not a person. I bet that's true. I bet that's true.

I think they're like, well, we're going to kill them. We want to explode the executives. Well, if a monkey does it, then it's not even... I guess they didn't want Sideshow Bob to have literally killed people, perhaps, because it's always been attempted murder that's right that's right yeah yeah uh but yes they uh the bomb gets thrown in there he gets saved by mr teeny he then sees that he is throwing it into a room that says network executives only and shrugs and decides to do it so it is's not accidental. It is a willful kill. They explode and turn into the T-1000.

And what they say is in this next clip. What happened? Was anyone hurt? Just some network executives. We have notes have you thought about dave chappelle destroy they just got to the pimento yeah i don't know how they escaped from this monster but i want to talk about dave chappelle because obviously uh chappelle show huge that's like five years later at this point in his career he is kind of a joke because they keep trying to put him in things and it

doesn't work like he's in robin hood men in tights i believe he's is it con air he's in as well he's in con air yeah it just it just won't it won't stick and in the mid 90s you've got mail also i forgot about that like he's really talented but he can't break out of anything and in the mid 90s i was reading like why did they mention dave chappelle is it related to aljean and him being at abc and it is because uh aljean and jim brewer were on an episode of home improvement they were a backdoor pilot that was spun off into something called buddies right right they recast jim brewer they're like people can't look at Jim Brewer this is this is uncalled for so Jim Brewer went to SNL Dave Chappelle went on to be in this thing called

buddies but he was in the ABC ecosystem because buddies was canceled very quickly so I'm sure like ABC was pushing Dave Chappelle on people I'm sure he had a ton of pilots floating around so I'm sure Al Jean at some point in his career was pressure was put on him to include Dave Chappelle in a show or build a show around dave chapelle totally oh my god you're right i mean probably abc had like an overall deal with him like yeah he's that's so that you're so right it must have been like all the intermingling of those shows like what about dave chapelle could you put him in there and then you know yeah within five years of that episode airing everyone would watch Dave Chappelle on every show they could get

right yeah yeah and I'm sure that uh like by the time Chappelle show came around Dave Chappelle had been in Hollywood for probably 15 years and that was him saying I'll do whatever I want on this cheap sketch show that's just gonna be what I do now and then it became way bigger than he ever thought it would well and when this joke happened I had seen Killing Them Softly his stand-up which was like my it was one of my favorite stand-up uh things i'd ever seen back then and it's like now i even think back to like wow he's doing jokes about police just murdering someone and sprinkling crack on them and being like there that did it i'm fine i was like wow man that's it and that wasn't to do a police

brutality joke then was like yeah we all know about that right but i just i i'd also half of the white guys i knew in high school were like oh i'll just tell the dave chappelle bits and pretend that's my joke like i'm like hey you ever noticed this i was like oh i've seen this dave chappelle special too i also have hbo or a friend who has hbo but yeah so after the exploding executives who then turn into T-1000, which maybe is their way of getting around murdering characters on screen, then we get a final wrap-up scene, the one that pissed me off here. Okay, everybody, say funny. Funny! Perfect.

Krusty, I'm so sorry about the attempted murder. Will you stop with the sorry? Every time you try to kill me, my ratings go through the roof, you nut! We are good together, Krusty. It makes me sad that you're getting the death penalty. Don't remind me. Okay, where do you want to do this thing thing isn't it customary to have a trial oh a wise guy huh that's it it doesn't it doesn't end on the funniest joke that last line but i i love how brazen it is like oh don't remind me yeah yeah no look the brazenness of it i do love now i mean but back

then what pissed me off so much was that every bob episode ended before with like and he's back in jail and you wait for him to get back out and to have it end with like i took it seriously which i shouldn't have that was my mistake but i i took that joke in 2001 to mean they just killed off sideshow bob and i will never see him again on the show and they did it for this joke like i hate you simpsons like that's i shouldn't that was my mistake i should have realized like they're of course gonna have sideshow bob back he shows up every few seasons but i think maybe because they'd taken so long between sideshow bob appearances i took it as real of like well they killed him great no more sideshow bob right like yeah that's what super pissed me off back then and but i liked hearing like you

said bob on the commentary even they go like we should punch this up like this could be we it's not our strongest ending and he would come back in season 14 so not too much longer yeah yeah that's uh and i do love the image of the the drawing of all of them mid-photograph saying funny pretty good joke i like that nowadays the kids can just take a new picture be like oh that looks bad or actually they'll just use the feature of like, go back three seconds. The burst. Yeah, the burst.

I realize now a lot of my anger was misplaced. This is season 12 for me is just realizing like, I was angry about other things in my senior year of high school, unless The Simpsons that I thought. But, you know, a pretty, there's some funny stuff. It's not, I don't think it's anybody's favorite Sideshow Bob, but there's some quality stuff in here. Yeah, I wish it would be more of a parody.

But again, I have never seen the movie, so I don't know if it would work on me. But I think there's enough good jokes. But the Bob plot is really undercooked and the ending is lame. But I like seeing and hearing Bob, so it gets bonus points for me there. I sort of agree. I always like Sideshow Bob episodes. I kind of wish it was either about just Krusty's retirement, we went through his career,

or if it was just about Sideshow Bob having a new plan. The fact that they're together makes it feel like both are kind of happening very quickly. Yeah, you know, a whole episode spent at the school of Bob tries to kill Bart at school. Like, that's a plot. And they still haven't done that one yet. You know, hey, it's been 20 years.

You can just do it again. Sideshow Bob goes to school, and this time he stays there. Krusty retires again. Yeah. Oh, man, and you could end with Skinner versus Bob in a battle for the school. That's three right there. Write the spec script, Henry. Come on. All right. That's a, that's three right there. Write the spec script Henry. All right.

Nobody steal this. Okay. I'm Homer pointing at patent pending. Mail this podcast to yourself. Yes. Yeah. Well, now I have three months to write that spec and,

and Mike, I can give that to you and you can pass along to your agent and pass it along to the people. It's that easy. It's that easy. All right. Yes. Mike Drucker.

Thanks again for coming on the show. Please let us know where we can find you online and what you're working on right now of course i am a co-head writer co-executive producer of full frontal with samantha b please watch that wednesdays 10 30 on tbs or on youtube where it's also put i uh also you can follow me on twitter at mike drucker m-i-k-e-d-r-u-c-k-e-r and on instagram at mike drucker is dead which is mostly just me posting little arcade machines and video games. I shouldn't be buying. And that's it.

Um, and you, you are a, uh, quite a Twitter account. You're one of the best. Yeah. Thank you so much.

I look forward to the Mike Drucker reply and that it's not directed at me. Yes. Because then I'd have to take my own life. Uh, but it's always great having you back, Mike. And, and especially hearing the,

the comedy, the, the other side of it as well. Yeah. So great. So thank you. Thank you for having me. Of course.

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What would that be like? What's on TV? Nutsy the Clown. Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.