Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Duffless With Eric Szyszka

Episode Date: April 24, 2024

As we explore a sobering adventure for Homer, we welcome back the fantastic Eric Szyszka from the We Hate Movies podcast! In this memorable episode, not only does Homer get a DUI after defeating a giant spider, but Bart battles a hamster after destroying Lisa's giant tomato. Plus, many more tangents about Reefer Madness, Nixon/Kennedy debates, Herman's Head, and lots more trivia in this podcast about an uneven season 4 classic! Support this podcast and get over 150 bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking Simpsons head there to check out exclusive podcasts like talking Futurama talking of the hill the what a cartoon movie podcast and tons more I hardly endorse this event or product Our product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, where we love to get blotto. I'm one of your hosts, the stewed prune Bob Mackey, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who is here with me today, as always? Henry Gilbert, a lover of sweet cakes for all. And who is our special guest on the line?

Needs a beer to fall asleep, Eric Siska. And this week's episode is Duffless. Here's an appealing fellow. In fact, they're appealing him off the sidewalk. It's funny because I don't know him. This episode originally aired on February 18th, 1993. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh, my God.

Oh, boy, Bobby. Bonkers debuts on the Disney Channel. Army of Darkness is number six at the box office on its first weekend. And a week after this, the World Trade Center is bombed. Oh, the first time. The very first time, yes. Six dead, thousands of injuries. And it wouldn't be the last time.

Yes, that nice old school bombing. Just going down to the basement. That's what a decent bomber would do. Classic bombing. Yes, exactly. bombing just going down to the basement like you know that's that's what a decent bomber would do classic bombing yes exactly do you think those uh steve ran as easy types are the ones who are like they were part of the 93 bombing and they try to pretend that they were in 9-11 there they just say like no and when the world trade center was crazy that day and they just don't say 1993 yeah i mean they were probably pissed off that the set probably pissed off that the plane thing happened because they were riding that bombing for so long and now they've been, they got

their thunder stolen a little bit here. You also get a lot of people who are younger and let's say stupid who see references to this bombing and think, oh my god, they predicted it. They knew it was going to happen and you have to tell them, no, there was another bombing and history took place before you right there's that what there's even that notorious big song

right the lyric is blow up like the world trade now yeah and uh on our uh on our simpsons predicted live show last year with the brilliant matt chrisman he was bringing up several other he brought that up he brought up uh what was it, REO Speedwagon album that looks like somebody's crashing into the World Trade Center. Yeah. Not REO Speedwagon. The album's Breakfast for Champions, I believe. Let me see what band that was.

It might be Cheap Trick. I don't know. It's in that zone. It's in that zone. But more important than that is The Bonk Man. Me and Bob's favorite cat cop. Yes, Bobcat, excuse me. He's a Bobcat.

And it is Super Tramp. It's Super Tramp's album. I got the album wrong, right? What's the album? Breakfast in America. We were all incorrect on this. But she's holding up a delicious glass of oj in front of the world trade center investigate this waitress is what we're saying yes uh good album and what did they know when

do they know it and um were they planning this all along were they in cahoots with osama bin lad i uh it's it's very new and we're recording this but i think all of us have seen at least the first episode of the new x-Men 97 show. The establishing shot has the world trade center in it. I feel like to specifically make the point of like, this is 1997 everybody. Yes, they definitely do that.

And I love it. I'd love just, just set it in that time period and be unapologetic about it. And going back to bonkers, we put together an episode of what a cartoon all about bonkers in late 2019 and because of that christ cursed us with covid it's our fault that's right after we revealed that information to the world we had to be punished uh and we still are to this very day and christ is still a listener so we'll see what other curses come up yeah i see what tier he's at he could be supporting us at a higher level he's got a lot of money now the

bonkers has a very complicated history that bob uh laid out very well in that podcast the bonkers is actually despite being like just an unpopular and forgotten part of disney afternoon for most humans and barely even appearing in the disney afternoon movie the uh the rescue rangers movie like barely even treated as an afterthought. There's a lot of complex stuff that happened to Bonkers behind the scenes. Yes, he is the We've Got Roger Rabbit at Home character. And it got canceled 20 episodes in, and then they restarted it for another 30. Never partook of the Bonkers.

You're good, you're good. Oh, yeah. In Army of Darkness, we did it like an evil dead 2 podcast a while ago and i feel like just based on uh how things shook out this was the first evil dead movie most of us saw because it was distributed by universal and the other ones weren't allowed to air on tv and uh they were kind of weirdly in and out of print on vhs for the longest time until they were released on DVD over and over and over again. But this was the one that was really available.

And I'm surprised it hit even number six at the theater. Yeah, it's sadly that it did bomb in the theaters. It became a basic cable like Wunderkind. It was always on one of those stations, SyFy, TBS, whatever. And I really dug into it. It was the first Evil Dead movie I saw, and I really, really loved it. And funny enough, I just got the 4K the other day,

and it looks really good. Wow. I have an Evil Dead 2 4K. I do not have that 4K. I got to complete the collection. Yeah, step it up to the medieval dead. I also, just like with Star Wars growing up, I watched the Evil Dead trilogy out of order too.

I saw Army of Darkness first. A friend rented it. But it was because my friend had a Gen X older brother who said, actually, Evil Dead 2 is even cooler. This sucks compared to this. Did you know there's a secret? This is what Gen X older brothers were telling me right yeah it was kind of like a like a uh you know a little whiplash there you as a kid being like oh this movie army of darkness so good and

wait what it's the third evil dead movie there's evil dead one evil dead two they abandoned the name i believe because universal or whoever didn't think it would sell you can't just put in Evil Dead 3 into the theater when all the audience don't know about it sort of like how they retitled Mad Max 2 to the Road Warrior you know I actually I re-watched Army of Darkness a few years ago and I have the misfortune of having played the video game Duke Nukem 3D first oh no and Duke Nukem takes almost of his material from army of darkness so whenever i hear bruce campbell say a line i immediately think of oh duke nukem did this first but you know there was a lot of theft going on but yeah my brain is poisoned with duke nukem as as soon as the chainsaw goes away i'm less into that movie every time like it's i it is i mean i like the evil dead two more but that's

because i also think that like i like ash as a kind of funny dumb guy but he is he is fully flanderized to use the simpsons term by by army of darkness oh yeah he's just a loud coward in that movie i i i love those elements to it i love how they just lean into the dumbness of it. I mean, Evil Dead 2 is perfect, so why just do that again? Yeah, if you watch the movies in order, you can see he's such a cartoon in the third movie because he has gone completely insane based on everything he has witnessed to this point. Yeah. For him, in a 48-hour period, three women he fell in love with are murdered right in front of him. An Army of Darkness also follows the Sam Raimi rule that he is kept alive even until that Doctor Strange movie, which is you can't trust women. They're two-faced and they're

going to turn evil on you every time. Sure, yeah. I mean, that's one way to look at the world. Well, I'm just saying when people got mad, spoilers for the Doctor Strange movie, that Scarlet Witch is evil in that one, I'm like, but that's what he does with every woman in his movie. Every woman turns evil. I think many elements of that movie were in place before he was airlifted in to save it. Sure. I didn't think he looked at the script. This woman is not evil enough.

I'm not directing this movie until you make her a total evil witch. Right. directing this movie until you make her a total evil witch right and i guess drag me to hell has i guess the the girl at the start is kind of you know the main girl is kind of evil for what forgetting i forget even what she did to the old lady or whatever but that old lady's evil she's dragging people to hell but uh but anyway yes that's what happened the week this episode of simpsons aired and joining us once again is eric siska from the we hate movies podcast eric joined us last time for a much much much worse episode the frying game welcome back to the show since aired and joining us once again is eric siska from the we hate movies podcast eric joined us last time for a much much much worse episode the frying game welcome back to the show eric thank you for having me yes this is a slightly better no it's a way better episode we're crying

this one does lack carmen electra so no uh boob jokes in this one sadly erica just before we were recording i was complimenting your recent episodes of the Gleep Glossary, which is one of my favorite of the many great things that we hate movies does on your Patreon. But especially I love the Spanish language beer commercials to hear about. That was pretty, pretty fun. Yeah. is our Star Wars Shide Show, where I just sort of tell the guys about some expanded universe Star Wars character, and they riff on it and say how stupid my childhood was. And on this latest edition, we really capitalized on the Cerveza Cristal version

that has been going around Twitter and YouTube, apparently in Chile in 2003, when the star wars trilogy aired on television they didn't just put beer commercials you know like it wasn't just like cut to commercial they actually had like some guy's hand mocked up to look like obi-wan kenobi's hand grabbing out a beer like they tried to make the commercials part of the movie and it just blares this amazing amazing jingle for cerveza crystal and i loved it and i had to incorporate it into our show the glebe glossary it is the real life version of philip's vision from the critic when duke phillips was remaking movies and putting ads in them and changing the endings and things

like that. I mean, hey, it worked on me. I want to have at least one drink of that at some point if I go to any Chilean American restaurant even. I've been trying to get the guys to give me all the Patreon money for a month just to go down there and investigate you know and also you guys just covered one uh a movie uh we cover or i watched for the first time a few months ago because the simpsons did a whole episode about it notting hill oh my god yeah did you like it did you like it no not really i mean that there's worse romantic comedies out there but you you guys were on uh definitely correct in that it's like 30 minutes too long and it's definitely better than love actually i mean it does have its its moments but uh yeah we kind

of really go for those kind of saccharine uh rom-coms sometimes yeah henry took that bullet for me there was no way in hell i was watching that although i watched an entire movie for this episode just to fully understand a 20-second reference. Really? Which movie? Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Oh, my God. That movie, people love it, but I need to go back to it because it wasn't really jiving with me. The raindrops were falling on my head, interludes and stuff.

I do like the ending, though. Yeah, it's weird. I mean, we'll talk about it, but it is a weirdly sanitized Western. Despite coming out a few years after Bonnie and Clyde. It feels a lot like that, but with all the blood and gore and grimness edited out of it. It's like a Western for hippies that you can take your mom to. Which I've got Billy Jack for that. Maybe mom will fall asleep during it.

Actually, you know what? When I said I watched another of your recent ones because of a simpsons episode that's also true for indecent proposal because there's an indecent proposal simpsons as well the half decent proposal yeah we recently covered indecent proposal as part of a listener requested uh month we were doing and uh wow i forgot how like one note that movie is and then robert redford refuses to be a bad person in it and you're not getting him in the movie so it's like no no i'm actually good and attractive i i'm not evil in this movie basically just watch the trailer that's all of the best uh indecent proposal content you'll find exactly i mean the best part of the

movie is when uh billy bob thornton in one of his very small early roles where he's puffy air is just like oh you see that guy over there yeah that's uh robert redford's character i forget his name real pushy hound and shit he says shit like that is oh i didn't mean to offend you it he he's always a nice spice i always like billy bob showing up in something especially early billy bob yeah i love his scary hillbilly period i just watched uh one false move for the first time and he is a scary hillbilly in that too no he's he he's the greatest yeah no i think i might not have seen that actually i might have to get on that yeah good good little known like 1993 thriller oh nice i love those oh and i love bill paxton he's great it's their pairing before

uh simple plan which i love which is great yeah speaking of amy hey it's all connected we brought it back around okay we're all in the same zone no i after i saw that movie uh in the like two minutes that woody harrelson and and uh uh Billy Bob are on screen I was like have they ever been in another movie together and no even though you would think that is a natural pairing in Hollywood does Hollywood just think look we got one southern white guy losing his hair we don't need to yeah I guess they both fill a similar role yeah I'm seeing double four Billy Bobs they should play brothers in a film. That's my pitch to Hollywood.

Though now I guess they'd be like 60-year-old brothers, so aging brothers. 60-year-old brothers, that could be like a Paramount Plus show, no problem. Well, Eric, do you recall watching this one as a youth? Oh, I definitely did. I mean, by season four I was full on. I think I've said on this show before, I quit like the Boy Scouts or something because I was like, no, no, no, no. I need that Sunday evening free. That's Simpsons time. Did this episode make you swear off alcohol for life seeing what it does to Homer? What's funny is like, especially once the pandemic started in 2020, I can't believe it's four years ago already. But starting when the pandemic started, I started drinking every single day until I took a break just recently for three days. And I was like, wow, I kind of had that Homer realization where it's like, I'm losing weight. I feel a little bit better. But, you know, I just couldn't say no to Moe and the bar. So I am back on the wagon or off the wagon, whatever Seinfeld joke that was.

Yeah, the pandemic especially let alcohol be the wind beneath my wings, as Bruce McCullough once said. And I thought, you know, I'm at the grocery store every week. Why not bring home a bottle of hard liquor? And Henry at that time was uh stopping over to take care of my bird occasionally and i think henry did see just the the sheer amount of uh hard liquor bottles stacked neatly in my kitchen i wasn't a disgusting wino no bob you had a good you had a good collection well also my drinking did increase in lockdown as well the more casual drink and i am a very light drinker it's actually pretty rare i drink

when if i go out to dinner which happens about every couple weeks or so and even then it's not every time but at home i do rarely drink like i will go like two three two weeks without drinking and i don't realize it but but in the pandemic of course i was very influenced by re-watching all of sopranos with my husband who'd never seen Sopranos before. And it's just, I was like, man, Tony makes drinking a just like whiskey neat look really cool. I'm going to do this when we watch it. That's the way to watch it. That's the way to watch everything in my household.

Yeah, drinking every single night to my detriment. Stewed prune, right? That's what it is. Well, and of course, I learned from the Sopranos that whatever Tony Soprano does is good and should be emulated. So that's why I was drinking the whiskey. Yeah. I mean, for me, as I get older, I believe we're now all in our 40s on this podcast. I used to be able to day drink.

Day drinking just will shut me down instantly. I can't do it. I'll have to start at a certain point where I know I can just kind of fall over into a bed or onto a couch after two or three drinks. The will is strong, but the body is weak for me now. I think my resistance is built up to such a degree I could probably just go constantly. I mean, for you guys, it's 11 a.m. Right now it's 2 o'clock on the East Coast, so I'm imbibing right now, which is, you know, maybe not the best idea, but, you know, it's podcast fuel. You'd hit it in your toilet tank, right? At least I've never gotten to that. This is an interesting episode because it's another Daniel Stern one coming soon after selma's choice uh this does

not have the deep emotionality of that one but i i still think it's a very funny one that he did too though yeah his last one of this era he'd come back to write uh i think just viva ned flanders the one with the vegas wives that's right yeah which is funny because that is the other one about what if ned drank has that's a fuller episode about what if Ned had one drink. Yeah, this one has blueberry schnapps. That one has the white wine spritzer, spritzer, spritzer. Both of those I want. I am more of a Ned Flanders drinker, by the way.

Yes, not to shame Henry. Henry is the only person I've ever seen order a screwdriver at a bar. Was it 10 a.m uh okay sometimes it has been but samuel l jackson makes it look so cool and jackie brown i just i was like i gotta start drinking those it's not a bad drink more brunch but not a bad drink and uh yeah i think stern came up with it he said very simply on the commentary of just like what if you took away beer from homer what would that do and then he went from there and though gene and reese they actually are kind of mocking themselves of like boy we really went overboard with the movie like they were so in their feelings about like oh yeah we did a lot

of movie references and cutaways back then. And they're saying this in like 2004 when they're also feeling like Family Guy ripped us off with the movie references and cutaways. So when they're seeing this season four episode a little over a decade later, they're like, oh man, Family Guy ripped us off so hard. I mean, yeah, I mean, it is a template that's been around forever right like the honeymooners of flintstones but yes i agree they they did definitely borrow a lot from the simpsons and the short runners would go on to just make the movie reference program the critic immediately after this so yeah which is a great great show and i make my living off of movie

references too so let's not point out who started what first it belongs to us all that's right now just like uh when we had on jupin a little uh andrew jupin you're your co-host a little bit ago i was like boy this is a great time to have on any of the we hate movies guys because it is so many movie references every second in this deep into season four here one last behind the scenes thing is that for the rest of this season i believe i have saved copies of the original scripts or one of the original scripts the final delivery script for this which it's dated august 13th 1992 just to give you an idea how long production goes on these things and there's a few fun changes

I shall note and also some bits that I think were animated but are not deleted scenes on the DVD so I'm just like man I wish this season 5 they can finally have deleted scenes again on the DVD and I again put out my theory that Klasky Chupo

has the original negatives of deleted scenes and won't share them with the Simpsons but this is a film Roman season right? Ah shit you're right well my theory has fallen apart debunked this myth has been busted

debunked in real time but okay so the episode begins after a cute little chalkboard gag about goldfish don't bounce, which that's kind of funny. Well, you can always try that at home as a fun game. Just grab one and throw it on the ground as hard as you can. I wonder if their defense was like, no, it's not an imitatable act because we're telling kids they don't bounce, so don't try it. You know, that's funny about what would influence people.

Like we said before about the drinking in this episode. You know, would a show today really zero in and have an alcohol-centric cartoon episode? I haven't kept up with anything. Like, would Bob's Burgers do this? I mean, you know, everybody, I think most characters just get drunk all the time at Bob's Burgers. Oh, really? Yeah. I haven't really watched the show, though. So maybe I'm eating crow in real time. It could be more of a like a Bojack Horseman style episode.

One of those kinds of cartoons. Right. More of an adultish cartoon, which I guess the Simpsons always treaded that line. Well, they, you know, at the time they're writing this, we, we, uh, we say this with other ones too, that like Simpsons, they don't want to be a very special episode. Like they don't like, you know, they think it's a corny thing for a sitcom to do a very special episode. So for an episode of like Homer gets a DUI and has to go sober, they have to go like, well, they don't want this to be like you know an episode of blossom or whatever where they have to like seriously deal with this

in fact i think they go to great lengths to make homer not responsible in this not be irresponsible in this one right yeah we start with what turns out to be a dream sequence which i wonder why bart in his dream is having this social commentary about how the school has no asian kids at first i was gonna go like wait there there's asian kids at the school but then i was like well no this is bart's dream so this is not a factual statement uh skinner is making bart dreams of a school with no asian kids that's canceled strange yeah and uh so we see in bart's dream they have a he has a go-go ray that makes everybody dance and uh it is listed many very specific dances that uh that the animators do a good job of animating i uh we looked up all of the ones mentioned in here me

and bob i think uh combined it really i didn't i didn't see the uh i guess i forgot it was the go-go ray makes skinner dance then he makes miss kerbopple dance the monkey what were the other dances that were listed there there's the the swim uh the mashed potato and the freddy and the freddy is the one i had to look up for the first time and it's essentially just a slightly more advanced version of doing the Mario. It is really just swinging your arms from side to side. And if you look at the pan across all the teachers dancing, Largo is the one doing the Freddy. And it's a fairly accurate representation of the Freddy by Freddy and the Dreamers.

That was the band that invented the Freddy. When I looked up the song at first, I just thought, oh, this song sucks. It's the worst of the songs I looked up for this at first i i just thought oh this song sucks it's the worst of the songs i looked up for this compared to say major lance's the monkey time which i think is a fun song but but then i was like oh this is a joke like this is a joke song it's a british it's a it's a british band making a joke song about all of the songs of the 60s that teach you a dance any 9-11 predictions in in that song or album cover perhaps oh i guess i guess the way freddy's arms are elevated could signify the twin towers that's

right i was thinking the same thing now the uh the the songs are i mean i i miss having songs that teach you how to do a dance i miss the that jeff martin uh one of the writers in this season he always said he hated the the hit song do the bart man that michael jackson wrote because it doesn't actually teach you how to do the dance the bart man it says put your body back forth and side to side that's it and that describes every dance exactly what a useless song then i like a little instruction right like chubby checkers didn't he like uh he really spelled it out for us yeah you're gonna do the twist and it goes like this like that's what he told us yeah we don't have enough songs that start with hey everybody

do the blank and then instructions will follow i i do wonder if a lot of this boomer comedy about dancing, because of like five, six years before this in Troop Beverly Hills, Shelley Long similarly has a joke about teaching kids 60s dances that are many of the same ones in this scene, including the mashed potato and the Freddy and the frug. She also has a frug. But I wonder if it was because

of the song land of a thousand dances being an animal house if that repopularized it with with that generation well i was going to ask eric if the frug is part of the glee glossary not yet well we're we're getting to it eventually george lucas was not cool enough in the 60s to learn to do the fruit. He was a nerd. He didn't know. The Simpsons will be right back. This just in. Actual footage of a dangerous fugitive being captured. Look alive, boys.

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Bart destroys he makes all of the people dance his laser array also looks just like the one from the beginning of the Johnny Quest show in the 60s Jim Reardon says they took it straight from the opening credits and Bart is told I'm disrupting

the learning process and I love it which is a repeat of the joke or it's a continuation of the joke of Homer saying, I'm whizzing with the door open and I love it. Just that cadence is so fun. And then Bart wins in his dreams and he's hearing first prize, first prize, first prize. And we see that Lisa has been whispering to it to mess with his head. Lisa is a little more

evil than she normally is in this episode it's true but she's got reason to eventually we can see the depth she sinks to whenever these gifted kids get competitive oh that's true yep she wants bart to stay in his lane she's pretty mad about this And this is where we head downstairs. And Homer's, I really love, yeah, syrup is better than jelly, as a response. He is correct. And yeah, I don't get people who put jelly on pancakes. Peanut butter makes more sense to me on pancakes than jelly. People put jelly on pancakes? I thought that was a toast thing.

I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. Now look. Well, you guys are out on the West Coast. What you guys see is unhinged, not part of reality. Bob talking about buying hard liquor at the grocery store. What a world that would be. And then the people out there just pouring ranch dressing on everything, including pizza.

What are you doing? You don't buy your whiskey at Trader Joe's? No, unfortunately i can't because of all these uh east coast bureaucracies but uh yeah you know maybe i'm a little jealous about that one i'll admit uh in in the original script homer is saying and i think it's adr changed from this uh i think it was animated to too he says, good old maple flavored syrup, which that's not right line, but I like Homer's statement of just syrup is better than jelly.

And then Lisa walks in with a gigantic tomato obscuring her head. It's a really fun drawing. And this is when Lisa introduces us to the qualities of steroids. I've grown a futuristic tomato by fertilizing it with anabolic steroids.

The kind that help our Olympic athletes reach new peaks of excellence? The very same. I think this tomato could wipe out world hunger. More tomato? Yes, please. Where's your science fair project, boy? I thought I'd investigate the effects of cigarette smoking on dogs.

Far, don't give the dogs cigarettes. Well, time to go to work. Little did I know, I'm ducking out early to take the Duff Brewery tour. Rolling at nine, punch out at five. That's the plan. They don't suspect a thing. Well, off to the plant. Then to the Duff Brewery.

Uh-oh. Did I say that or just think it? I gotta think of a line fast. Homer, are you going to the Duff Brewery? Ah! There are at least two or maybe three jokes in this episode that feature Homer screaming and then running out of the duff brewery there are at least uh two or maybe three jokes in this episode that feature homer screaming and then running out of the room or jumping through a window oh it's great i also love this like where did lisa get steroids and where did bart get cigarettes i don't need to

know but i i just love that they have access to both of those things it's great that they also agree that olympic athletes being helped by anabolic steroids is good. I also love the portrait of Lisa in the house of the poor family, third world, whatever, curing world hunger with this more tomato line. Yeah, this was another of my moments where I thought, okay, how evil is Lisa supposed to be in this one? Because it definitely feels like she wants to be worship. She's like, well, I don't want to just help these people.

They need to worship me as their new God. Every home needs a Lisa shrine in developing countries. That's smart people for you. You know, never trust them. Okay. Go for the dumb dumbs. No,

it's also funny that Lisa quaintly thinks that like, Oh, if I have genetically modified food, it would help feed poor people It wouldn't only be used by giant Companies to sell more food It'd feed the hungry Yeah we're still waiting on that

To show you how different things get 20 years later in season 25 In the Sideshow Bob episode that season Lisa battles Sideshow Bob Over GMO Foods that he runs in a fake monsanto to or you know a parody monsanto company oh that's interesting i had no idea that lisa now buys organic yeah they she was more into gmos but it also it's one of those things where i was like yeah season 25 a 25, a 10-year-old episode. Oh, Christ.

Jesus. You're still listening, right, Jesus? Feel free to call me up at any time. Make time go backwards, please, Jesus. You know, Jesus, you can donate outside of a tier, however much you want every month. You don't need to stick within the tier system on Patreon. That's true.

You just up it to whatever amount, right? In the kingdom of heaven, we got a lot of patriots. That's true. You just up it to whatever amount, right? In the kingdom of heaven, they got a lot of cheddar up there, not to mention the Catholic church and then all these other, you know, heretic subsections, the Protestants and whatnot. They got money too.

It's all going to you. It all goes to the top. Yeah. Also the drawing of Santa's little helper smoking. Very funny. Poor, poor little SLH. I love of Santa's little helper smoking. Very funny. Poor little SLH. I love that Santa's little helper is just able to keep that cigarette in his mouth even while coughing. Yeah.

It's beautiful. It's kind of stuck to his bottom lip. Kind of like Dan Aykroyd in Ghostbusters. There's always like a cigarette just stuck to his bottom lip in that film. Oh, yeah. And you know what? That's great for after you get a ghost blowjob, too. Yes.

Your cigarette is ready to be smoked after you get smoked. Oh, yeah. And you know what? That's great for after you get a ghost blowjob, too. Yes. Your cigarette is ready to be smoked after you get smoked. Oh, yeah. I'm telling you, if Paul Rudd doesn't get a blowjob in this new one, I'm going to consider stop watching these Ghostbusters movies. Well, as of this recording, a friend of the show and We Hate Movies co-host Steve Sadek has seen the movie. Eric, is he okay? Well, he seems to not like it he his

review was busting doesn't make him feel good anymore which is which is a shame uh i'm dreading this one honestly i i to borrow that bill murray phrase from back in the day it's like i'd i might have to be a ghost to see this one um i'm gonna wait for january we usually do a worst of the previous year and sometimes that's just what would make an interesting episode to talk about not necessarily the worst movie ever but i i have a feeling a gut feeling that ghostbusters frozen empire might come up on that uh on that uh january theme month but we'll see I'm not rushing out to see it all because Afterlife, I felt, I hate this solemn, like, wow, let's treat everything with such an irreverent tone

or whatever. Now we're living in the world of the post-Beetlejuice trailer and similar vibes are going on there. You know, what was wrong with deo with harry belafonte you got you got a victorian ghost singing it now i hate that stuff with you slow it down even more have a little haunting child singing and suddenly i'm supposed to be like this is important it just it grates me the wrong way these movies used to be full of joy and

fun and now it's about legacy and you could keep it in my book but it's okay to like a movie we famously say on we hate movies it's totally fine if you like it now that new trailer the i i was most annoyed at with the deo thing i was telling myself maybe it's actually used as a joke in the movie i bet not but but okay but then when when Jen Ortega, who I like her a lot. She's great in those Scream movies that are in the We Hate Movies verse, but in this trailer, she may as well just be Rey walking on to the Millennium Falcon. She goes upstairs in the old house and dusts off the- Of course. It's like, no, no, please no please i want to live in a new

home it's barbara maitland's wedding dress wow and also i would assume that in that trailer the the funeral they're going to is the the one for the character for an actor who would definitely not be invited to film again in uh in the sequel old jj my guess as well yes uh but uh but yeah so then homer runs off after being outsmarted by his own brain which is this is my i was gonna say my favorite but it's my second favorite homer brain joke because his brain flying away from him in the cider factory is the best but this is very close then we go to the we go to the office there's a little cut bit here in the script smithers appears twice and they cut both because he is very mean in this script uh and in in this he's the one running the he's the task master of all these people trudging through uh the hallways off to

lunch and he's the one telling people to work them with truncheons that's why the guy beats the the person like shoves the stick in his back it's it's all under smithers orders in the script i like that i kind of wish they kept that it would have been nice to see him like doing it like he because he's always like you know second fiddle to burns let's show him doing some evil as well i think uh bill and josh in the they found a good way of like invent of testing how evil will smithers be on behalf of burns or not and that's that's a uh the crux of who shot mr burns right and then uh homer though sneaks off there's a lot of fun with his sneaking off. And so in the commentary, they say this section here reminds them of the then recent Return of the King movie. But I do wonder if they were making a book reference at the time to the Lord of the Rings.

For this giant spider? Yeah, the giant spider thing. I felt like, at least at the start where he takes out like this treasure map like if you plan to leave like if the plant ye wish to flee go to sector 7b and then entering the do not uh enter door and then it's like a a humid jungle with uh worker skeleton and spider webs i was initially getting indiana Indiana Jones sort of from that. But then, yes, we have the giant spider and you have to overcome the spider's curse, simply quote a Bible verse. And I love that

Homer has no idea what to do and just hits it with a rock. I mean, the only Bible verses I know are the ones quoted from Simpsons. So I could defeat this spider, but only by quoting Simpsons slash the Bible. Thou shall not let moochers into thy hut.

And he went to Bethany and he lodged there. But yeah, I guess the giant spider is kind of like a hobbit type of thing, right? Well, you know, yeah. In,

in the book and then in the movie, Gollum does lead them to a, what he calls a secret passage, but actually it's where shelob the giant spider lives one of the one of the few female characters in the lord of the rings who is an evil spider that kills men and sucks their blood um but uh but so i it made me wonder like was somebody referencing lord of the rings the books that. Yeah, possibly. Definitely. Yeah. I mean, the some of the the the atmospheric noises initially feel more jungle. But yes, I think that's totally plausible.

And then we cut to Barney waiting for Homer. And this is, you know, just like Barney. We're the Barney's in the scenario that we can be the friends of people who have nine to five jobs who help them skip out on work with our unusual schedule. Yes, yes. We have enough time in the day to go find a mattress to tie to the top of our cars, okay? They changed this joke from the script. Originally, it's that Barney thinks it is Richard Simmons that he sees.

They pulled back on the Simmons hate. I think it's funnier to say Princess hate. I think it's funnier to say princes die. I think that's funnier. Picture her royalty in the parking lot of a nuclear power plant in suburban who knows where. It's pretty funny. I also love the payoff of that

where he pulls up and Homer falls on the ground and there's a, oh wait, it's just a pile of rags. A pile of rags, yeah. And Homer lands very painfully we just covered uh brother from the same planet with uh was that andrew was he on yeah it was with andrew yeah the noise that homer makes when he's punched over the fire hydrant that little snap they use it again in this one when he lands on his tailbone falling out of the plant like the little tiny tiny crack it is the same sound effect of a back breaking for homer man he is his poor back oh you got to get some alcohol after that i think

you know it's uh uh and to put you in the timeline of uh princess diana at the time uh this was four months after her separation from uh king charles or prince charles the time. I'm sure the tabloids were all over her, but she was not all over the pavement yet. Is that the idea? They're going to be meeting up rather soon here. Yes. No, she's in heaven. He's not going to be meeting her. Are you sure about that?

Well, she's in a better... Okay, she's higher up in hell than he will be. I don't want to live in a in a universe where princess dies on the same level of hell as king charles she deserves at least a view in hell you know she's got a room your condo in hell yeah top floor condo in hell you see the whole lake of fire up there it's beautiful we go back to uh to lisa and bart it's uh part i i should say lisa is right to be mad at bart for what he does in this scene but when she hands him something he responds like curly from the three stooges then that should tell you shenanigans are coming it's the same of like when when bart says

certainly and in the script it also says the direction is like Curly. We get another Three Stooges kind of thing later on when he's getting shocked. He's like, oh, wise guy, eh? Like rubbing his face like Curly would. Yes. And muttering. I think that's Bart saying like, yes, this is like a Three Stooges thing where if Moe asks Curly to do something, of course Curly's going to ruin it. And that's the same thing that Bart's curly to do something of course curly's gonna ruin it and that's the same thing

the part's going to do in this case skinner's butt is just too mesmerizing he bends over i mean i couldn't resist it either looking at that thing swaying back and forth rarely have they animated a butt better than skinner's butt right the only one i could think of is flanders as the stupid sexy butt okay that's that's a that is. That is above it, you're right. You're right. Awesome ass. This one is swaying so rhythmically, and after he gets hit, if you look at Skinner, he's like kind of shuddering with his hands over the back of his head,

and apparently they did cut a Vietnam flashback reference. They did indeed, yes. You can see the beginning of where it would leave, where he's like kind of shuddering and his eyes are wide and he's shaking on the ground. That is hilarious. I wish they would have kept it, you know, maybe thinking about being doused with blood in the shit.

Do you guys know exactly what the joke was? It is in the script. Oh, thank you, Henry. So I do wonder if it was animated because definitely his reaction makes it look like it was animated. And then that leads me to wonder if they then cut it not just for time, but also because they did get complaints in the Valentine's episode of having a Vietnam flashback from Vietnam veterans. But so, yes. Those guys should lighten up, by the way. Come on.

You know, it's funny. It's like Vietnam veteran, Vietnam veteran. You so, yes. Those guys should lighten up, by the way. Come on. You know, it's funny. It's like Vietnam veteran, Vietnam veteran. You hear that all day long. When was the last time you heard an Iraq or Afghanistan veteran, you know, complaining about anything? But in this case, it's even a sequel scene to the one that's in Valentine's or I Love Lisa, because if you remember that one, it's framed by Skinner talking to his friend Johnny. And so it's him and Johnny again. So, and him and Johnny are just

walking through the jungles in Vietnam. And then a sniper is shooting at them and they start running. But the misdirect is you probably are thinking, oh then johnny gets shot and it reminds me of that but no skinner falls over and then a vietcong soldier is above him with a huge tomato he's throwing in skinner's face that's great i love this that's really good oh that's really too bad they at the very least it does work as a i I like it as a non sequitur that without the cutaway, you just see Skinner shaking and broken like he has a PTSD flashback, except you don't know why. So it's a good randomness. So that's how the Viet Cong held out for so long and eventually won the war is they had anabolic steroids and they were using it on their fruits and vegetables.

Yes. Oh, and also Skinner says, not again. That's what he says. Also, the slow-mo of Bart throwing it, the way it explodes on his butt, his scream, so many great drawings. Very hard anime slow motion. Many more drawings are required.

So whenever you see it, someone had to work very hard, resentfully. Then we cut to the duff brewery and i've said it before i did go on a budweiser plant visit one time as a kid uh and they did give out small free samples at the end for parents though it wasn't it was not very much like this and obviously i couldn't drink anything at great great place to bring your your child is a is a beer plant now the shape of breweries has really changed i don't know what's going on in upstate new york eric but at least for the past like 10 or 15 years every brewery has a tasting room and often a restaurant and the tours are really de-emphasized uh we go to a lot of breweries around vancouver and i don't even know if they offer tours but I will say if you have children bring them to the brewery they're not going to be bored they're going to

love it park your strollers everywhere no one will be annoyed by that it's great you know you're there's a lot in common with Vancouver and upstate New York yeah we have a lot of a lot of breweries there's there's there's a few in this small city i live in right down the street and yeah they all have restaurants and tables and tasting rooms but you're right the tour is really de-emphasized or gone entirely but the baby carriage is carried is that what they're called strollers or strollers yeah whatever uh i don't have children, you can tell. They are everywhere. The kids are everywhere.

You know, it's all right. I'm okay with it to a degree because obviously if I had kids, I'd be drinking even more. I'd be dead by now. Yes, my heart goes out to them. But I do recall when my parents wanted to go out and drink, they left me at home alone. They would come home drunk. Which was nice. Yeah, my parents did that all out and drink they left me at home alone they would come home drunk so which was nice yeah my class you did that all the time and it was wonderful that that that gives your children the sense of self-discovery perhaps if they grab a knife the wrong way or burn

themselves on the stove they will learn self-reliance and it is it's part of growing up and when we were latchkey kids we only had television to watch they have the whole internet to be latchkey with like they learn so many things i can't make so many friends these kids coming up today like uh you know you know as a millennial right and this is this is like old man yells at cloud right it's like i was beholden to what was at the video store what was on tv cable or whatever but nowadays like you know if you're interested in film all these kids are watching like reyner verner fassbender at 15 years old which it's the system is out of whack but i guess in a good way i'm a little bit jealous

of the modern convenience i'm jealous too we were talking about uh army of darkness earlier i couldn't find a copy of evil Dead 2 until I was 17 years old and it was a video store in another state had it you know if I could talk my mom into taking me into the like the 30 more minute drive away to Hollywood

video just to get the few extra animated video VHS's they had there compared to Blockbuster or like the two copies of uh of a criterion film they'd have at those like that was so and now the criterion channel and i have the criterion channel all the time now but i don't have my youthful loserdom to watch every movie all the time on there like i have i got stuff to do hey henry tell your husband he's got to go the movie watching has to increase you gotta make some tough choices i'm divorcing him

for the criterion channel i just signed up for another year of it and i'm like all right you gotta go there's so many you know i've spent all this time with you but there's so many uh more fit like i haven't seen wild strawberries yet yet. I got a lot of movies to watch. But yeah, so we then cut to the Duff Brewery. Barney originally had a joke in there that he knows everybody at the brewery. They cut that out there. And then we see the Belching Clock, which is a reference to the clock. It's a small world ride at both Disney worlds.

They were in a lot. This is all. Yeah, actually, Stern had a whole small world section in Selma's Choice. So he's a real small world head. I love this clock, though. The belching middle-aged man with the beer belly in this chair. It's fantastic. Duff has a very low opinion of its uh of its consumer very accurate opinion well yeah i noticed uh the great joke of him saying if they'd watch the the story on cnn and

they don't know what he's talking about that's great but also i noted that they made sure to design every person on the tour is as fat and stupid as Homer and Barney too. Like, yeah, the whole, like a rumor is that a batch of Duff was contaminated with strict nine. It was even on C like no one has,

no one has watched or kept up with the news. Well, it's not true. I love, I love how Barney goes straight. I went into miss piggy territory there and I apologize. I love how Barney goes, straight guy, straight guy. He goes, CNN, whoa. I went into Miss Piggy territory there, and I apologize. I love this hallway.

There's posters and stuff of old adverts for Duff Beer, and one was, I knew he was a commie because he didn't drink. I love the design on the commie, too. It's a perfect Red Scare version, a Red Scare era version of an evil, darker-skinned communist being beaten by a cop as the guy's pointing at him. And the Prohibition days where Duff is now being sold as a health tonic and the doctor's winking at you while offering you the spoon. That joke reminded me of, oh yeah, when I was a kid, all those jokes about hair tonic and Looney Tunes make a lot more sense now. Like they were jokes about the then recent ish prohibition. Right. It's it's wild to think about how, you know, time works and how, you know, old timers working on Hollywood forever.

And they've references to this or their parents went through it. It's it's crazy. I mean, we thought the pandemic was bad but could you imagine prohibition well also it's it's still crazy now to watch anything from like more than five years ago or 10 years ago that's about like marijuana i'm just like but is it but that's the thing that's legal why are we joking about it like it's a hard to get substance or like you're cool if you use like a a non-ban substance yeah there's a store 500 feet from me. Oh, that's nice. It's convenient.

There's frankly many, many, many stores. I think too many at this point near me. Far too much. But yes, I also do like that at Duff, they are proud that they view the Red Scare as a good thing. Like being staunchly anti-communist they're not ashamed of it they put it up as a great poster they're like oh wonderful then we have a uh a parody of like 50s jay ward style ads of the the guy talking about his q zone i love that they

i think al jean kind of undersells them just like oh yeah we did a great job animating crappy old animation i was like no jim aron did a great and his we did a great job animating crappy old animation i was like no jim aron did a great and his team did a great job copying this style of animation from back then this is a very nice approximation what makes me laugh is what follows the commercial the little advertisement at the end yes that is definitely not in the script they added that late which is great the proud sponsor of Amos and Andy. Yikes. Which if you're showing that at a museum, you would think, let's cut that part.

People shouldn't know that we were proud sponsors of Amos and Andy. But that's not the only old ad they're showing off there in our next clip. Duff Beer, proud sponsors of Amos and Andy. We're proud of all of our Duff commercials, but here's a very special one from 1960. Well, I would suggest, Mr. Van Ocker, that if you knew the president, that was probably just a facetious remark. And now, a word from our sponsor. I would like to take this opportunity to express my fondness for a Duff beer. I'd also like to express my fondness for that particular beer. The man never drank a Duff in his life. And here we have Duff, Duff Light, and our newest flavor, Duff Dry.

What does the future hold for Duff? Let's just say we've got a few ideas up our sleeve like what um i'd rather not get into it right now why not all right we don't have any ideas for the future we got nothing happy no and uh on the commentary david stern says the the introduction to that uh nixon kennedy thing is actually from the debate, and that's true, because what Nixon is responding to is a question from the moderator, Sandra Van Ocker. And the question was, in his news conference on August 24th, President Eisenhower was asked to give one example of a major idea of yours that he adopted. His reply was, and I'm quoting,

if you give me a week, I might think of one. I don't remember. And that's when Nixon's like, well, if you knew the president like I did, you know that was a facetious remark. So that's what he's responding to. That's hilarious. I also love the idea of that. Itcker guy, Sandra Van Ocker, who was at ABC News, he has a connection to other podcasts we've all done, which is he plays himself as a news anchor in the Jean-Claude Van Damme Street Fighter movie of 1994. Wow. That's incredible. My God.

I mean, we covered that and we had movies at one point, but I don't remember if we mentioned it. Another very strange cameo in that movie. Over the credits, you hear a radio DJ start cracking jokes. He is the guy that Good Morning Vietnam is based on. Appearing at the end of the Street Fighter movie. Over the credits, unseen, just his voice. Love it.

Love it. Yeah, that's right that guy has a ton of like all of these like i feel like written in 1940 like the making fun of swedes versus germans i was like boy it feels like it's pulled out of a 1940 joke british cooking jokes yes yeah but uh yeah to know that sandra van oker uh who passed in 2019, he both interviewed Richard Nixon and also was in a Jean-Claude Van Damme film based on a video game. What a life. God, that's we'll never amount to anything compared to that. 1960 Nixon JFK debate in that you know the conventional wisdom is that people who heard the radio thought Nixon

won and people who watch the TV debate thought Kennedy won because he was such so much more attractive and youthful but if you read the evidence on that it's all made up really TV did not have a significant difference on what people thought of the debates it's like oh

he's got a five o'clock shadow or he's sweating. I think they even, I think when like Mayor Quimby debates at some point, they kind of reference it again. They go back to this well. Yeah. Yeah. They reference it in Sideshow Bob Roberts. And I read the abstract of a very boring academic article about it, but it does seem like that is just apocryphal and there's no real basis to that claim. Yeah, Bob shared the science direct piece with me debunking the myth. And yeah, from scanning over it just slightly, they source a centrists and Democrats thought that JFK did better, period. But yeah, it just turned into this myth of like, oh, see, it's changing times.

Television is changing and also making much more shallow the uh the presidency in politics now everybody's here first folks talking simpsons has declared that kennedy stole that election you know i credit you know if he did steal it good on him that was one of the theories right like the mafia helped him get into office and that's why they shot him that was like one on the lower many theories out there yeah but the only thing i know about this is what's in the oliver stone movie which i take is entirely factual oh of course on topic nixon and jfk both alcoholics especially nixon yeah that's why you gotta love them you know you both of them right like you know trump doesn't drink and it shows biden too b. Biden says he's a dry Irishman. And I feel like at this point, Nixon is far to the left of Biden. So I don't know.

Like, the world's gone topsy-turvy. You know, that's the thing. It's like, yeah, Nixon, for all his faults, open relations with China and the EPA. My God. We were trying to shut that down on both sides, it seems. Well, also, that whole, like, Trump is sober thing. It's like, OK, has he truly never drank alcohol? I find it hard to believe.

It's also like, if you told me he has never done cocaine, absolutely not. I will never believe that. Like, no, that's not true. Yeah, he's definitely done coke and methamphetamines and whatever else. Allegedly. Yes, I mean, he's going to be back in power soon. I want to get on his good side you look handsome and young sir nixon drunk acting so my favorite nixon drunk acting is that

that frost nixon movie is okay but frank langella is nixon is great and his drunken tirade scene is he's wonderful at that oh man it's been a while. Is it Anthony Hopkins as Nixon in the movie Nixon? It's that famous account of Nixon just getting blitzed and then going out to talk to protesters while completely smashed. That's what Trump should have done. Don't try to get the National Guard to shoot them. If he had picked up a bourbon instead of the fish filet sandwich, he'd be even more relaxed.

It's relatable. See, again, as a kid, instead of you know the fish filet sandwich it's relatable it's relatable see again as a kid i didn't know i maybe knew who jfk was because the movie was a recent release but i didn't this was maybe the first time i saw nixon if not for another simpsons joke before it maybe you see as a new york kid we knew who JFK was because of the airport first, I think. Now, it was a long time before I flew into JFK airport. It was a good while. So, yeah, also, the Three Spouts is exhibit A in the trial against Simpsons HDification. Yeah, because the joke is cut off if you're watching this not in the 4x3 aspect ratio.

And Jesus will judge you for that, too. If you're watching this on Disney+, and you didn't change it to the correct aspect ratio, Jesus, our listener, judges you for that. Fuck, I think I forgot. Eric, you got to look, or just steal it, or pull out your DVDs. Well, you know, maybe he could get me like something in the Princess Diana section of hell. I'd be okay with that. On Disney+, it should just revert to it naturally, but you do have to like check a box or some shit on there.

I forget exactly. I remember when that happened and I was like all about it. But, you know, I haven't gone through the classic Simpsons in a while, so I think I just completely slipped my mind on it. And then we cut back to home lisa is crying once again though lisa the point of this episode is that lisa is wrong to not take these things a gentle good humor that's her mistake she just laughed it off instead of having her feelings hurt or maybe uh the lesson is don't take science fair so seriously exactly don't take school seriously you know go outside uh do whippets in the parking lot. Who cares?

And then comes a rather mean joke. Mom, Bart wrecked my project in the science fairs in three days. Well, I've got an idea. Why don't you run a hamster through a maze? Help me. Help me! Help me! What's so funny? Oh, uh,

I was just thinking of a joke I saw on Herman's Head. Now, I'll tell you, as a kid, I was a Herman's Head viewer and I loved the show. And I assumed the joke was, oh, Marge doesn't want Lisa watching Herman's Head because it's rather rival. But now I know the joke is there is nothing on that show that would ever make anyone laugh.

Yes. It's a mean joke. In the script it says Marge has a suspicious look at that word. And it's important to note, Yardley Smith has not been freed from the chains of Herman's Head quite yet. She is in season two of three of that show. And I say, let's make that available because it's three years of Yardley Smith and Hank Azaria on a sitcom together.

Yeah, she was, I don't know if you knew this, Eric, she was, she is a supporting role on that show for, for three years. I had no idea.

That's really funny. I never watched Herman's head mate is I almost want to go and watch it now. It, well, there's definitely episodes online and, and also I would suggest our, our pals on gayest episode ever did an entire, uh,

episode about Herman's head. Uh, they delve deep into its history. So you'll learn a lot from that. If you've seen the movie inside out, it's like that, but better. Got it.

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Find our Net Zero Hub at electricarland.ie what if chicago improv comedians instead were the people in your head instead of me sounds better to me so to have the joke be that yardley smith co-star on herman's head saying she's laughing at something on herman's head which marge thinks is bullshit because that show isn't funny is, is a mean thing to do. Now they did occasionally reference Herman's head or the Simpsons on Herman's head, just to let it match up in your timelines. Basically Simpsons debuts December 89. It is the next year or no, sorry, 91 season. So two two years later when Herman's head debuts the Simpsons is very established and I believe it is in the first season that they have this joke that I will credit Daily Simpsons uh the account on Twitter for digging up yeah I know that's the billionth person to tell me that Herman you don't think I sound just like that Lisa Simpson character on television do you no not at all yeah I mean as a kid uh I watched any Fox sitcom because they were spicy and dirty

and hilarious and the second you hear her talk you're like well that's Lisa then it's I think it took me maybe a half a year to realize oh Hank Azaria is a bunch of other people on the Simpsons because I see his name in the credits of that show too I always think of her like as a corporeal human from City Slickers as I think she was a cashier that gets knocked up by Daniel Stern yes oh yeah wow I forgot that she's the one demanding an abortion at the beginning of City Slickers yes yes I believe wow what a wild movie man they don't make them like they used to. As previously established on this podcast, I've only seen City Slickers 2. Wow. The Search for Curly's Gold, not the first one.

I believe Mike Morona will be on the show or was on the show. I can't remember. But he keyed us into the fact that Yardley Smith is in The Legend of Billie Jean. And I recall that somebody interviewed her about that. And she thought, like, this is my big break. I'm going to be Yardley Smith, movie star. And things didn't really shake out for her that way. That's too bad.

Well, Henry, I think the Criterion Channel will probably have City Slickers in no time now that they've got Freddy Got Fingered on there. They've crossed that Rubicon. That's right. Yeah, when I looked back into it, like Hank Azaria's character, he's the horny friend of him. He's like the best friend character who's like the womanizing best friend you have in every office sitcom.

His character's name is Jay. And apparently in later seasons, Hank Azaria's Jay starts dating Yardley Smith's Louise. So if you want to see a show where Hank Azaria and Yarley Smith play lovers that's the later seasons imagine if like Mo and Lisa got it on season 37 it's coming they're running out of stuff

to do right so I mean huge flaw in Herman's head there is a character named Hedy unrelated to Herman and his head that's bizarre that's the one who's played by Ross's ex-wife on Friends, right? Yes, yes. A blonde actress, if I recall. She's got a name, probably.

The thing with Herman's head, too, it's like just a totally lost show. It's only remembered four jokes like this. Hank Azaria on commentaries has said he does not like having been in Herman's head. It's not like when people tell him they enjoyed him on that show. I remember something he has said about Herman's head. It stuck with me.

He was not having a great time being on Herman's head, but he would tell himself, at least I'm not one of the guys in the head. So yes, then we go to the quality control at the factory and the guys letting everything through as barney distracts him i mean also it's funny that he just is so used to mouse fine syringe fine he's just no that many things is wrong and then of course hitler's head goes by which is a joke that uh

mac rainey hates he hates hitler jokes being in the show oh the hitler jokes are wonderful they tell half of a story on the commentary which is clearly them trying to not get sued. But Mike Reese tells the full story in his book. So in Mike Reese's book, which I say all the time, Springfield Confidential, it's great. If you like this show, you should read that book or listen to the audio book. In the book, he tells about how that at the time they were producing the show, the beer companies were getting really mad at them in season four for several jokes, including in the April Fool's episode in a couple weeks, or they also get on them. And so he says that Budweiser representatives, specifically

Budweiser, called them complaining. And this is from his book. The next day, Budweiser called and said, stop picking on beer. I said, come on, it was just a joke. And they said, no. Last week, Homer went to the Duff Brewery and one of the bottles had Hitler's head in it. And I wrote that joke too, but it's still not the one I'm proudest of. Budweiser was getting increasingly upset. They said, we'll have you know that the president of our company, August Bush Jr., was considered a very big hero in World War II.

And I said, by the Nazis? That was the joke I was proudest of. That's good. That's hilarious. I mean, it's weird to get mad about such a farcical thing, you know? Hitler's head I never thought that Hitler's head being there meant anything about the political persuasions of Duff nor would I connect it to Budweiser is run by Nazis like that the Budweiser person is going pretty far there I want to imagine a guy in the early 90s who after seeing this episode starts buying a bunch of bud trying to get Hitler's head or some type of Nazi official

I do want to correct some misreporting on on my end i believe the first time we covered this episode five or six years ago i thought the syringe in the bottle was a reference to a hoax that was happening but it turns out this was written about a year before that hoax was going on it was a hoax of uh that began in june of 1993 where this meme was kind of spreading across america and the idea was let's pretend to find things in our Pepsi cans to sue the company. And I remember families around that time were not buying Pepsi because of that. Wow. Yeah.

Wild. Proto meme. It started somewhere. Culture's amazing, right? Like the razor blade and the candy apple, this, that, and the other thing. It's fascinating how that spreads across the country so fast yeah i looked up the uh the snopes article it just called needles in pepsi or sorry needle in pepsi and it was a big deal because pepsi had to put out all of this pr

letting people know here's how our canning process works everything is safe but i just remember being on the ground floor kids were like if you drink pe Pepsi, you'll get stabbed with a needle that will give you AIDS. That was the hubbub in 1993. Not just a needle, an AIDS needle. It was an AIDS needle, yes. Of course. Meanwhile, Jack in the Box actually kills children and it gets to come back.

How did they kill kids? They had the E. coli outbreak, right? Bob talked about this before. I literally think the thing was called the Monster Burger. And it turns out it was a monster. And I do wonder if, with that Budweiser joke, if Mike Reese's cover for that of, like, by the Nazis, like, that's his joke is a question.

I will say, I think, looking into his background, Colonel August A. Bush Jr., I think that's tech. He is. He did get a rank of colonel, but it was in the Ordnance Corps in World War II, which really just means you're a rich guy in charge of helping with supplies, and FDR hired you to the government to do it. Yeah, he was partnered with Colonel Sanders.

Exactly. And on top of that, the Nazi connection, the Ordnance Corps, right after World War II, there or at the tail end of it, they were the ones running Operation Paperclip to hire all the Nazi scientists. Before we move on, I do want to add, I mentioned the Monster Burger earlier, the burger that killed children.

The advertising slogan was, So good, it's scary. Accurate. Truth in advertising. We cut to the tasting room. That gummy beer does look tasty to me. I'd go for that. That's pretty good. But, no, Duff.

Duff. Dark. I love Barney under the taps just having a drink. And, yeah, Barney is just passing out drunk here with endless drinking. And also like Tartar Control was all in the news back then. The toothpaste, mainly Crest, advertised as Tartar Control. Then they're leaving and we get a sign, a good animation on one of those like flipping signs that telling people don't drive drunk, but celebrate with friends two beers sitting on the hood of their car okay so i guess is how bad is homer here because he is driving safely he passes the sobriety test before the breathalyzer and he is

telling barney he's too drunk to drive so but hom Homer does fail the breathalyzer so how how guilty are we to judge Homer as uh as as viewers oh he's fine you know it's like uh like that you know like the Mads Mikkelsen movie another round you know you can you can find a balance and live your life in a certain way and it might work out I mean generally I guess he shouldn't be driving drunk but it's just so funny how Barney narcs on him to give him the breathalyzer. Yeah. If anything, this episode is a savage takedown of the breathalyzer and it's inaccurate science. That's true.

Man, now it's making me feel like Stern got a DUI and he's just like, breathalyzers should be illegal. They're inconsistent. I passed the other tests. No, Barney's cruelty here does feel like it's a little bit of the same string that he has in the plow when he becomes the plow king and shoots homer's tires out i'm like barney is actually evil and hates i mean barney's got a reason at least here to be a dick to homer after uh homer demands give me your keys you're too drunk to drive hits him in the head with a

crowbar to try to knock him out and it ends up putting his head in the car door and smashing it. I love just the repetition of the same sound clip of him saying, ow, as we're inside the car, seeing his head get slammed. No, yeah, it's music. He just gives up like, oh, fine, take the keys. Yeah, it's great. It's like musical, too, because of the sound of the door. Erk, ow, erk, erk, ow, just over.

Yeah, as a kid, I didn't get that the joke is Barney is too drunk to be knocked out. Like, literally, he's sauced all the time, so there's no way to beat him senseless. Eventually, he just gets bored with it and just passes Homer the keys. So, yes, Homer, though, he gets pulled over in a sting operation.

Wiggum is actually operating the you know if they want to pull over somebody being drunk wait for people to leave a brewery that's not a bad idea on Wiggum's part he's actually good at being a cop in in this sequence but Homer is pulled over and uh he is uh he's doing good at the start look alive boys Couple of stewed prunes heading your way. Cope. WX, Y, and Z. Now I know my ABCs. Won't you come and play with me?

Flawless. We also would have accepted, tell me what you think of me. Oh, I guess you're free to... Give him the breathalyzer! You're under arrest. Think you can get this car home? Sure thing, giant beer! Mother of mercy! This is kind of fun!

Whee! Wiggum, no longer on the show. I forgot what a journey he goes on. He's in pain, he enjoys it, and then he explodes. And it's quite an explosion. I forgot how big the explosion is when the giant beer can costume ignites. And then right after the commercial, he's perfectly fine, breathing normally. Right, he's back at the police station next, right?

Yes. The breathalyzer, by the way, I looked at it, you can buy your own breathalyzer online, which the Amazon listing for the first one I clicked on is very funny because it makes sure to say like, if you test above anything over 0.00, you call an Uber right now. This is not telling you to drive if you test above anything over 0.00 you call an uber right now this is not telling

you to drive if you don't if you blow under the limit and hey if you're enough of a drunk the government will install one in your car oh nice and it won't start unless you breathe accurately uh and non-boozily into the car you just got to drink all the time for the government to do anything but yes if you have for 70 bucks you can have your own breathalyzer that even connects to your phone app. So it'll tell you. But it's one of those things, just like a lot of other things that seemingly are invented to let you drive drunk and defeat the cops. Or like a radar checker. It's like, these are for fun purposes only.

Don't use to get away with the cops. Yeah, don't actually use this thing that does the thing that you you know uh there was a certain point in my life and it was right around the time the economy crashed uh horribly that i swear to god like four of my friends got duis and there there are many reasons uh you shouldn't drive under the influence uh but if you're selfish i can at least tell you it is life destroying uh it is humiliating a friend of mine had to put on like the house arrests anklet for a bit oh my god they were taking it very i mean they should take it seriously but i

will say all the listeners around there you don't want to fuck around with that uh for the for the sake of other people and again if you're selfish just for what it will do to you in your life. Don't trust a breathalyzer you buy on Amazon if you think that's going to help you blow under the limit. That's the lesson. Nothing else. Nothing else. That's the lesson. Look out for that Amazon low-quality breathalyzer. I mean, and this was maybe in like 2009 or something. There was no Uber. Taxis were really unreliable in my area. But now there's literally no excuse. But back then, you would kind of just breathe into your own hand and be like i'm

okay it's yeah it's uh actually you know what in that amazon listing it says the app actually will connect you to uber for that like they're like hey we're working with uber we'll send you to uber in the the breathalyzer app that's no i i think uh obviously yeah it's it's a serious thing do not drive drunk yes but i if you're if you have the money to be drunk uh outside of your home you do have the money for a 20 ruble yes enjoy responsibly yeah as all the commercials say that just means don't kill anyone, ultimately. Or yourself. This is a great gag on what you say at the end of ABCs and the regional differences. This confused me as a kid because I did think it was, I was taught as a child, next time won't you sing with me? Never had that one.

What was the other one? What was the variation? Tell me what you think of me. I don't think we had the alphabet where i grew up i don't think we had either it does you just had bizarre runes that were etched into things that's right what homer has next time won't you are uh will you play with me not sing with me like it's yeah mine mine was like once you're done singing it ask someone to sing it with you next time but it's yeah. Mine was like, once you're done singing it, ask someone to sing it with you next time. But it's great that they're like the cops take into account regional differences. It is funny.

I love that. We will also accept line. Also, when they arrest Homer, I don't like the cutaway. They use one second of it. Bob correctly identified where they used it from. But it's distracting. When Homer says doe when he's arrested, it's a clip from Barth the Daredevil. I don't know why they thought they needed a Doe there, but they found the footage and just shoved it in.

So it's only moderately distracting. I think I might have only noticed it this time. But it is a very clear season two Homer not drawn how he's in the rest of the episode. It always bugged me as a kid because when Homer says Doe, his floats into the frame which i'm like but he's being arrested his arms are behind his back in the previous shot this this is the kind of pedantry that's been driving me crazy my entire life why we're doing this i didn't notice i didn't notice when they come back from commercial break there was a scene they actually put in the commercial so if you were a listener and heard the vintage commercial uh we put in there basically homer is put in jail and they do a suicide joke the

the joke is that homer has to have his belt taken away because uh for safety purposes and then wiggum says not like you need it as in to say you're too fat you're it'll hold the belt pants up anyway and then homer says to wigg Wiggum, you're not wearing a belt. And then Wiggum replies, hey, there's no need to be hurtful. Hey, similar suicide joke in Garfield the movie, which we covered on We Hate Movies. Oh, wow. That's right. Yes.

Guard, may I have some shoelaces? Oh, my God. Right. So Garfield wants to kill himself in prison you see what what wonderful suicide joke will chris pratt say in the new garfield movie i wonder hmm i think i'll be saying it in the audience god so instead though we start with uh a joke that taught me as a child what dwi or doa meant i didn't know either of those meanings uh for for a very dark joke that first marge nearly has a heart attack thinking her husband is dead and then instead a woman thinks her husband

is just drunk when he is actually a corpse and she is a widow so good oh my god and then yeah hi i'm mrs phelps you said my husband had a dwi oh talk to that officer there i'm going out to lunch so fucking good i love a little pat on his belly when he's saying he's going out for lunch too and i think dui and dwi has not been renamed something else like std and ufo we don't call them that anymore it's now just like it's some new it's some new abbreviation right because it was like vd for venereal disease then it went to std what is it it now? And UFOs are what? Like aerial, whatever?

Please take it away, Bob. I don't know what the... That's why it's so irritating. I grew up with all of these just very basic things, and now they've all been changed. The world has gone topsy-turvy. It's like DWI, driving while intoxicated or something. Now it's driving under the influence DUI, but apparently

that has changed as well, you're saying? Yeah, and I'm trying to find the new term, but I'm in Canada now and I think it just remained the same in Canada so I'm getting search results for that. Yeah, now in Canada it's D-U-U-I. You guys love adding U's

D-O-U-I. No, I mean, we had this uh in the selma's choice episode too where we you know learned the new terms for like ivf and all this uh there's there's lots of changed terms hard to keep up with uh now it's i think it's ovi ovi that's what they call driving under the influence now or operating vehicle under the influence man that's confusing so i guess i guess it's being more specific like if you are you don't have to be driving you can be backing up or parking or sitting behind the wheel of a car that the key has been turned in the ignition so they wanted to say it's not just driving if you're behind the wheel of vehicle operating in any way yeah that is expanded expand the terminology to take even more rights away oh yeah no sorry eric i just remembered i

think it's unidentified aerial phenomenon or uap is the new thing for ufo that they're trying to they're trying to make it not sexy to talk about ufos and it's bullshit man uh it's it's funny there's a lot of changes uh in in our lives where i'm like oh yeah gender stuff all of these like oh yeah this is new gender term i'm like oh yeah i i flow with that easily but if you tell me a ufo is a different name now that that's what i'm like culture is changing too much that is my red line all all the other stuff is totally fine and and i totally understand why and but but changing ufo how dare you i'm going to become the J.K. Rowling of them changing the word UFO to something else. You should, definitely.

We also have a joke with Hutz. This was in the Brother from the Same Planet one that John Vitti says they lose faith in a script. If you can see, they put Hartman in it in multiple scenes. But he's just so damn funny i don't see it as a weakness but they they are really degrading lionel hutz in every scene like he is worse off and drunker every scene this is this is one i think this is my favorite joke of the episode where lionel hutz is saying to homer don't worry i have a foolproof strategy to get you out of here surprise witnesses the judges won't know what hit him. And it turns out he's also in jail,

piped down in their huts. I love it. I think this is after him saying, care for a belt of scotch. Oh, yes. And then Marge says, Mr. Hutz, it's 930 in the morning. Last chance.

No, well, in a few episodes, he will be the drunkest he ever is. Well, actually, no, he's in AA and sponsored by David Crosby. But yes, then Homer goes before the judge. It's the non-funny comedy female judge who you rarely see in the show. The chicks on the bench judge, Bart refers to. The joke, this joke goes by really too fast.

Homer just wants it stricken for the record, his sentencing, which I guess that's a funny gag. In the original script, she tells him he also has to lose weight. So I'm kind of glad they cut that. It's just like, yeah, yeah, it's a lose weight joke. We get it. Homer's fat. Yeah, I agree.

I'm glad they trimmed that fat. And then on the layout of it, the animators saw a great thing on the cut here of like the gavel is going down, but then it's not the sound of the gavel hitting. It's the sound of Patty's stamp hitting his license and voiding it. Like it's such a great fluid action and edit there. It is. Yeah. Love that. And we see his birthday officially is May 12th, 1956. So next month, happy 68th birthday homer simpson

oh man uh yeah now as as as has been previously established currently in the show homer and marge are younger than us now like they're a few years they're the age lisa would be if uh she was eight in 1989 so it's like homer simpson talking about how he saw army of darkness before evil dead 2 is that is that what is happening on the show these days occasionally there's a recent one i think from last year that flashes back to their high school and they're putting on a musical about y2k yeah oh my god there's there's another joke where homer i thought it was a good joke in a recent season, where Homer sees a reference to some 80s movie on TV.

And he says, boy, I remember seeing that when I was either a child or an adult. I forget which. That's better. Now, the one Bob said, I want to go get my belt out, if you know what I mean. Oh, actually, that was three years ago so not last year and then uh homer as homer is getting his license revoked we then cut to lisa getting the hamster she had planned on getting uh and she's going back to the same store homer went to buy a first try to buy a pony in lisa's pony same guy working there too uh and very dark joke that he he tries to sell her on that it's smart because he can write mysteries and then he just says just take it just take him before his mother

eats them all right and macaraning is a little uh iffy about like why are the the hamsters purple but that's the color of the hamsters in the first production episode part the genius they're they're weirdly purple and that was memorable yeah it's uh I would think that was probably just the writer or the artist saying like we already designed a hamster and it was approved it's a purple hamster uh but then on the commentary 10 years later Graney's like purple hamsters huh and it's just like but you know it it was a very season one pick a choice that hamsters were purple they they were for a good joke in that part the genius too where bart's in the smart school and he sees two purple hamsters and they say this

is a control hamster and bart says hey there little control hamster dude and then the teacher tells him don't get too attached we're dissecting him next week though of course then they escape at the end of the episode so don't worry those hamsters lived so uh then after lisa gets the hamster uh there's also another little scene that is fun and all but it just explains why if you're wondering to yourself why isn't marge helping homer get around and why does he have to get in a bike uh that's because marge tries driving him to one place once and he is such an annoying backseat driver, she turns it down. And that's when he starts using the bicycle.

Seems like he stole Lisa's bike, too, not just any old bike. It definitely does look like that. The girl bike with the baskets. And it's great seeing Nelson go by and doing a wheelie while saying, ha ha, that's extra funny. And then we see that Lisa is starting her experiment. Bart walks in and gets his hand, fist stuck in his mouth. They did do a similar joke in Homer's Triple Bypass with Wiggum's mouth being open enough

to get a whole fist in there. And hey, it happened to Daniel Stern, the wet bandit himself, David Stern's brother. That's where the story comes from. So it actually ended up himself, David Stern's brother. That's where the story comes from. So it actually ended up in a David Stern episode finally. That's amazing. Yes. Yeah.

Eric, I don't know if you knew that this was written by the brother of the wet bandit. I think I knew. I think I knew that at some point. My God, that is amazing. Yeah. No, I love Daniel Stern. For our 700th episode of We Ate Movies, we covered Bushwhacked, which is Daniel Stern taking a bunch

of kids out into the woods and it's i don't know it's that that's probably nostalgia goggles but i'm a big daniel stern head and it's good to know that his his brother is also equally if maybe not even more funny than he is and uh then the as lisa starts her tests first she builds an entire little house which is very cute though Al Jean even points out the like oh yeah and she of little faith a recent episode then that uh that he's like oh yeah we did a very similar thing with the little hamster house too like he's noticing that they kind of repeat themselves every decade except the hamsters were accurately colored brown I think uh grainy finally had gotten gotten his wish there with the hamster coloring.

Also, it's funny. Lisa is, this is a risk they would not take in animation usually of like, Lisa says these lines out loud and it's written exactly in the book. That kind of, one, overseas animators don't always get written English correctly, which I totally understand because most people who are animating in english is not their first language uh and then second that it doesn't allow you to change lines so you never the uh i was surprised to see it was the exact writing as she tested out on bart i just love that his bart just looks at a bookshelf he

just goes like stupid books like he just hates books as an idea. Just proving how stupid he is and how easily he will fall for this trick. And I guess they didn't really want to hurt the hamster, but they needed to set up the shock. And they did feel really bad because the hamster, it's just cowering in the corner. I feel kind of bad. It's a very adorable drawing. It learned a valuable lesson. Beware the hand of man. It's a very adorable drawing. It learned a valuable lesson. Beware the hand of man.

It is very important. Yeah, I'll say in the script, it is worse. Lisa almost comes off as a sociopath in the scene because, yeah, the zap is worse. It is more hurt. The hamster is more hurt. Instead of the little nibble, and then it just zips away from it, it actually is shocked out of its box

and then hisses at lisa and tries to bite her and lisa's like oh he's a little mad like she doesn't even understand that she hurt like i i prefer she still has a bit of emotional remove here but i prefer her going like be that she is making some sort of way a smart pronouncement about it right yeah but makes more sense meanwhile bart zapped over and over again and turns into curly once more as he just hurt over and over by this cupcake which will destroy bart bart and cupcakes are coming back that was a huge part of season one bar wasn't it yeah there was a real uh cupcake currency in the simpsons in season one it was one of the early bart handheld video games was like bart collecting cupcakes was one of those like tiger electronic

games and right now we're at hamster two bart zero for those keeping track and lisa writes a perfect circle for that zero she's a good she has amazing penmanship like i'm gifted kid no one's gonna care about that after college nope you'll never have to write in cursive your entire life either you know they they thought that was important uh and then uh so yes bart acting like curly then it's time to go to wiggum running the class and this was again me noticing like right after i love lisa now this one police chief wiggum this is when he is becoming a very active part of policing. He is not a distant guy who only gives, you know, speeches to the television or has meetings with Quimby. He is doing the stuff regular cops do all of the time.

Including hosting a scared straight drunk driving course. Now, if any of you ever think of drinking and driving again, this film will scare the pants off of you. Guys, guys, this is the wrong movie. Oh, wait a second. I do something really funny here. Oh. What a terrible waste. Hi, I'm actor Troy McClure.

You might remember me from such driver's ed films as Alice's Adventures Through the Windshield Glass and The Decapitation of Larry Leadfoot. For the next 60 minutes, we'll be seeing actual film of car crash victims. And here comes a very visual joke with funny music, too. Yes, yes. I love homers. It's funny because I don't know them. But, you know, I got a recommendation, a movie recommendation for you guys

and the listeners at home. If you want to see, it's not actual car crashes, but it is an anti-driving under the influence PSA type of short film, 20 to 30 minutes. I forget how long it is. From 1980, it's called The Last Prom, directed by Gene McPherson. You can find it on YouTube. It is very funny. And it's about, you know, as you can imagine, it's about going to the prom, having a few too many, and driving, and horrors that happen. But it's like, it's over the top that it becomes a hoot. It like crosses that line from like, oh, this is sad, to being funny. It's not actual, it's actors.

It's not like someone, it's not like snuff films like we're right we're showing here so uh in your driving classes if you took them in in your teens like did you watch anything like this i was scared i would have to after seeing this joke but then by the time i got to those classes they weren't showing them they they had different scared straight stuff i remember one teacher complaining that they used to show us stuff like this and we're told they couldn't anymore and he was mad about that he wanted to show us the corpses he was a real gore hound that rocks that's awesome um no i didn't i did not get to see anything like that while learning to drive no i never took

classes oh i never had to right oh wait well you never had to. Right. Oh, wait. You never had to? Yeah. I was in Ohio. Because you never drove? I did, but I was a legal adult when I started learning how to drive. So I think that's why I didn't have to take classes. Gotcha. Gotcha.

I thought maybe up in Canada, they're just like, yeah, you don't need a license up here. Come on. You need a license. Just go for it. But you can be 19 and drunk. Totally fine. Wow. That's incredible. Yeah, being from upstate New York, Montreal was a destination once you turned 18, 19.

Oh, nice. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I did, because I got a learner's permit in Florida. I did have to take the class, a driving class to get the learner's permit. And there was a Homer Simpson DUI type. Well, okay, this woman might have just been an older woman who wanted to take this class. But more likely, she was probably court-ordered to take that class as part of getting her license back. Yeah.

You know, Henry, you're right to assume so, because in my neck of the woods where I was growing up in Ohio, if you saw a middle-aged person on a bike, they're not out, you know, having some fun, getting exercise. They're on a bike because they got a DUI and they have to go to work. Just like Homer.

No, it's a, yes, that was, I think, I think of that every time I see this one of like, oh yeah, that I didn't realize that that was the, it was part of the shame this woman was having to endure as part of her crimes,

was to be in this class with mainly 15-year-old classmates. That's awesome. Good for her. She went through it. She got back on the road, probably got drunk again. Repeat offender. And I know it was in August or September of 1998, but it was whatever night. Listeners can look it up.

It was the night the Ultimate Warrior debuted on WCW Nitro was the night I was there because my mom had to tape it for me because I had to be in that class that night. So that's the night I was there. Is there more shame in being an old woman in that class or asking your mom to tape wrestling?

A 15-year-old asking your mom to tape wrestling. I should know how to set it myself by that point. And cut out the commercials. If I see commercial one, I'm out of here. Finding a new mom. What is this, a Pepsi commercial? They put needles in that. Cut that out.

Also, this bit here with Wiggum in the kiddie pool with a hot dog is this an intentional callback or did they forget they did this joke already at the start of the season a new kid on the block with homer in the kiddie pool with the hot dog it's just such a compelling image any fat guy in a kiddie pool with a hot dog oh my god it's beautiful yeah they both they both had hot dogs didn't they and homer drops one into the pool right yes and he's oh nice he's reaching for it in between his legs to make i'd say that's grosser uh though though you have a grosser angle on wig of like it is his legs splayed wide i just love the idea that it's being filmed like yeah film him in the kiddie pool eating the hot dogs uh and and this is the first appearance here because uh you can assume he

has a wife when you learn he's ralph's dad but this is the first appearance of the later to be named sarah wiggum oh wow yeah now played by meganally for some reason. And I was looking into this and I think she appeared in I Love Lisa, but with a different hair color in the audience. But this is the grand introduction of Sarah Wiggum, who we'll later learn sounds just like her husband. Yes. Until

they decide in a couple years ago, if they're going to do a Sarah Wiggum episode where she hangs out with Marge, we can't have her do that same old voice and it's going to be megan malali and they're going to add a little more texture to her character but uh i love i also just love that wiggum is the type of asshole who will be like here's a funny thing i did to my wife and then when you watch it it's just him being incredibly cruel to his wife and laughing at it yeah i mean it's insane just spraying your wife down with the hose like that while she's carrying food which you love and then uh yes troy mcclure

hosting another thing and i do love the posing on troy as he is acting sad and then instantly goes like hi like he's in front of real dead bodies you can assume yeah and i mean and the first title he mentions you might remember him from such driver's ed films such as alice's adventures through the window glass or whatever windshield glass hilarious uh now some of these scared straight videos i do bet our pals at the found footage fest have seen some of these or ones like this uh though i only remember seeing one of those cop training films that they showed us which was like from the 60s or 70s of it was a cop training film of police here is how you deliver a baby if you have to do it in an

emergency and it has a live birth in it and i was shocked this is haunted henry i believe it's come up like three or four times. It's burned into my brain. Is it not burned into your brain, Bob? That's where you came from, Henry. It wasn't in the back of a police car, but a similar process happened. That whole region is unknown to me usually, and so then to see a baby burst forth from it, it sticks with me. And yes, I know it's natural.

It's not gross but uh it's it's hard hard to forget i think we should stop stop that practice altogether stop giving birth it seems really arcane also i noted in obviously this is not intentional continuity but at the class is ruth powers and bernice hbert, who both do later have drinking problem jokes in the series. But that's not intentional here. And that guy nearly puking has grossed me out since I first saw this as a child. It's very well done how much barf is in his mouth

and swallowed back down. It's a truly tasteless joke as they're painting across the audience because he pukes in his mouth and then he swallows it uh i don't think i'd have the fortitude to follow through on that uh and so then we head over to uh the the church and as a kid i didn't know what alkanon is i do wonder what was that actually what people called it then? I've only ever heard it as the full name or AA. They made up their own parody, which is Alcanon.

Got it, got it. That's their own version of Al-Anon. Yeah, was that like a real organization and they couldn't really tie it? You know what I mean? Like they couldn't use the actual AA or Alcoholics Anonymous? There's probably some legal reason. But actually, now that I'm thinking of it, it gets confusing because Al-Anon, I think, is for, it's a support group for people

that are in families with alcoholics. And then there's Alateen, which is like for kids whose parents or relatives are alcoholics. So there's many variants of it. But Al-Anon is an invented Simpsons thing. No, also when I was a kid I did not get the that it's set in the church and the Lovejoys hosted because it was like oh yes because AA is generally related with being run by Christians and Christian organizations which

I do think is kind of uh I personally don't like that the government makes you go to a Christian run thing to get sober. Like, I don't know. Well, I think a lot of them are like they rent out the basement to organizations or hold meetings or whatever. There's a church near me that is not very well attended. So on Saturdays, it's a synagogue. They're doing whatever they can to keep the business. But at this AA meeting, we learned some secrets about a few characters here.

My name is Ned. Hello, Ned. It's been 4,000 days since my last drink. It was my first and last Blackberry Schnapps. Ned, did you clip Ann Landers today? Ann Landers is a boring old bitty. Ned! I was more animal than man.

My name is Atu. I love to get blotto. My name is Hans. Drinking has ruined my life. I'm 31 years old. My name is Homer, and I'm just here because the court made me come. Homer, with our help, you'll never touch a beer again. Second scream, run out of room.

And, you know, that Hans Molman joke was very fun to tweet when I was 31, but that was a decade ago. So we need an updated version of that joke. Yeah, they did. They don't keep with that, by the way. Hans is old other times. Oh, that's too bad. Because right now he would be what? He would have been born in 1993.

Yes. He's the age of this episode, actually, at the time of this recording. Yeah, no, that Blackberry Schnapps is such a great line uh in the in the script he it's that he gets he drinks it at a frat mixer and sings good morning starshine and landers is a boring old bitty way funnier accurate too take that landers estate he's finally sick of having to hear about ann landers from his wife. And I like them as their young, newlywed couple design, too. And that 4,000 days, of course, means that he had one Blackberry Schnapps like 12 years ago and regrets it ever since.

Yeah, and he's still going to the meetings. Yeah, he even has the chip in his hand. It must be his like 4,000-day chip or whatever. Or chit? Is it a chip or a ch be his like 4,000 day chip or whatever. Or chit. Is it a chip or a chit? I think it's a chip. Okay. I think if chits are currency, I don't think you can spend the AA chip on anything except in the clip show coming soon where Barney.

Is it Barney turns his chip in for free beer? That's right. Yeah, yeah. That's right. Also in the script, Carl and Smithers are there too. And Smithers says he's only there to get the names of any employees who might be alcoholics. Man. Yeah.

I'm telling you, Smithers is evil in this script. Yeah, totally. Also, Homer's exit is less funny. Homer just says, I'm only here because the court ordered me to. And then he opens a beer and drinks it at the meeting jumping out the window much funnier uh and then we get back to some pamphlet comedy as homer is proven to be a a real alcoholic in this scene yeah these are all presumably actual signs of uh what could be a problem let's say if listeners if you answer yes to these questions uh all of the ones Marge asks, you might need help.

Do you ever drink alone? Does the Lord count as a person? No. Then yes. Do you need a beer to fall asleep? Thank you, that'd be nice. Do you ever hide beer around the house? Do I ever?

Do you ever drink to escape from reality? Homie, I'd like you to do something for me. You name it. I want you to give up beer for a month. You got it. No deer for a month. Did you say beer or deer? Deer. Please, homie. I know you can do this.

All right. Starting tomorrow, no beer for a month. What was that noise? I was saying, I love you. All of these are great i i love note in the scene if you're watching it homer drinks three beers in this scene because he finishes off a bottle after he brushes his teeth which is already disgusting then then he pulls out his toilet one and then presumably he has to open a new one after the lights go out because that's the sound of him pulling the tab that's a lot i mean these are all good questions to ask yourself but i think there are degrees in

which you could say yes or no because the whole uh drinking alone thing to me there are degrees of that where uh yes that can be an issue but if i make myself dinner my wife isn't home and i pour myself a glass of wine am i the same as the drunk i see in the gutter in a pile of his own puke i say no sir yeah no that's fine let's see beard falls that's all right uh hiding around the house come on just be open about it uh escape reality i don't do that so i'm i'm fine i i i'm sometimes i get depressed when i get drunk so that's kind of grounding me to reality even further. So that's totally what if you want to enhance movies or video games? Yeah.

Well, you know, yes. But there's also a little smoking, smoking the marijuana, the marijuana there. That's that's not mentioned in any of these questions. So that's good. I would assume when Otto says he likes to get blotto, I would i would think he's he's he's doing two things at once he's not just oh yeah he's crossfading that's um yeah i'm a juggler myself you're not like rick dalton in once upon a time in hollywood of uh i don't need a my beard don't need a co-pilot is that what he said right my beard don't need oh yeah my alcohol don't need a buddy yeah yeah um yeah i have had rick dalton moments though like you wake up in the

morning you gotta put your head into ice water just to like get yourself ready sours too damn many of them yeah yeah why did i have to have eight or eight i could have had four or five like a normal person it's uh it's also sweet that Homer, well, it's not sweet Homer lies, but that when Marge confronts him like, did you say beer or deer? Homer considers lying again, but he's like, deer. He at least admits it. But, yeah, I mean, this, Al Jean, we've been saying it in season 14, the answer in multiple episodes to like like oh what's homer's

problem he is an alcoholic and mean that's the problem in the episode they're not dealing with i was i am impressed homer actually does stick to it for 30 days and doesn't actually just drink in light of march like he he says starting tomorrow that's why he chugs one right before falling asleep it's a bit surprising he sticks with it the entire time and the ending he continues to not drink which i'm sure is undone by the next episode oh yes no i mean and then uh yeah the next episode is last exit springfield where he drinks quite a lot in it and and then uh the episode after that is the april fool's one where a beer explosion kills him or nearly kills him. But yeah, so then we come back for a commercial break. Bart is asking a cupcakes.

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clockwork orange that's great i didn't i didn't catch that that's yep it's framed to be exactly like it of the same like overhead shot of the bart's hands about to cup the cupcakes are just like alex in in clockwork orange i assume that creepy music is also a nod to the movie as well, right? I think so too, yeah. And Bart collapses just like Alex does in the movie too, which makes it even funnier that Homer just walks by him with no reaction to his son seemingly having a seizure on the ground. So in the script, there's a much worse flashback less funny where homer just thinks

like oh beer and then he remembers he's at a party where a girl says hey homer want to go kiss in the woods and homer says why the keg's right here then homer says she would have gone all the way marge responds who are you talking about and he says uh geraldine ferraro if our country was mature enough that's a funny return but i yeah i like that element of the joke that's good uh but apparently late in the animatic they instead uh had a flashback set to a parody of a very good year that they say jeff martin was the primary writer on. It's a great song. It's a great. It's one of those parodies that when I finally heard the original song it's based on, I had to say, I like The Simpsons one more because if you listen to the version of this that

Frank Sinatra did, which is the most popular version, he tells you about various different moments of his life. And I'm good with just 17, Frank. It's okay. Because it's like when I was 21, when I was 35, and now he's just like, when I'm my current age, there's a first for everyone. Get on with it. I'd much rather hear about Brian McGee and listening to Queen. Yes.

It's funny, too, in the flashback, the guy at the liquor store is seemingly doubting Homer, but he just sells it to him. He's like, hey, that money spends the same either way. He knows what's up, but yeah, he needs the cash. And just the pose of him in the beanbag chair listening to Queen, it's a beautiful drawing. Well, beer, we've had some great times. When I was 17, I drank some very good beer. I drank some very good beer.

I purchased with a fake ID. My name was Brian McKee. I stayed up listening to Queen when I was 17. Though I guess it is a sequel joke to what he was doing during the moon landing that they did in the Itchy and Scratchy movie. Homer is sadly pouring out his beer. Then we, and I would say again, season 14, Homer, he would be drinking hard liquor and he'd be like, hey, I didn't say, he said beer and I cut out beer.

He didn't say alcohol. beer and i cut out beer he didn't say alcohol does whiskey count as beer you're right that was a previous episode or a few episodes ago so yes then we get uh lisa uh we we go to the the end of this story here as bart finds lisa's notes with the cover the cover art on it is lisa just asking to get part mad like it's you she's using the photo it's got title font on it and everything even bart can figure it out and then bart hides it he poses like blofeld which again as a kid i never saw those james bond movies later i'd see dr evil and think like oh it's a dr evil thing uh but then we learned that uh bart you it's a great misdirect that you think that the episode's going to be the rest of the episode for bart and lisa is going to be lisa trying to search for the thing but she finds it before bart is finishing with his sins then we go to the

science fair millhouse is uh has a slinky that doesn't work uh i love edna's pretty lame millhouse. There's that parent that made the volcano that's yelling at his own kid. Just stand over there. Over there! They do reuse that joke again in a different context with Krusty when Bart is signing Krusty's autographs and Krusty's like, just wait over there. Over there!

I love you, Krusty. Over there! It also reminds me of the dad saying uh getting mad at his kid at the essay contest for we the purple what the hell was that and we then see uh nelson and martin's thing martin this again feels like they're writing martin is gay because martin could have like real science but instead he decides to dress up and build a full hot air balloon which is very impressive yeah right and starts talking about what around the world in 80 days he names himself and then of course dang i was aiming for his hand if you're paying attention this is a rare uh pamela hayden voice martin not russie taylor because i i I think Martin has one line and they're not going to get a new actor in

just for that. Yes. Makes sense. I do love, I appreciate that Nelson has the sign outside his booth, Wasting Squirrels with BB Guns. It's an important study he did. It is very important. Yeah, no, Rusey Taylor is

a semi-regular. They only, they brought her in for like one episode in the first season. She doesn't come cheap because she's Minnie mouse. So she is a pro. She also, I, uh, the late Roosie Taylor,

I, I believe she enjoyed doing the show, was a fan of it. And she didn't have a problem with it, but I do think probably when they're cat, if they're counting their voiceover budget and they're like, do we really get in Roosie special and pay her extra for one line by Martin here? And so usually Pamela Hayden is just the pinch hitter for Martin.

Though Rusey wasn't on like a real moratorium, then she was just in Brother from the Same Planet. So it's not like they weren't using her at all but this was them saving some money this is when homer also sees ralph's presentation uh which is uh alcohol-fueled car ralph is actually even smarter in the script because the joke is he says to homer like no it's not it's not the real kind of alcohol it'll it'll make you blind and then homer's like blind enough to drive home or how blind are we talking here but But yeah, Ralph got a little boost in IQ between this and I love Lisa. They gave him some new skills. Yeah, definitely. I love the animation of Homer in his fantasy drinking gasoline from the hose.

Oh, it's so good. One for you, one for me. One for you, one for me. And yes, it's labeled Gasso Hall. And now we get the ending of Lisa's story. I don't know if I like you experimenting on your brother. Please, Mother. It's purely in the interest of science.

That'll learn him to bust my tomato. Step right up, folks. We'll answer the question that has been plaguing scientists for ages. Can hamsters fly planes? Oh, look, he's got miniature goggles on. Oh, and a little scarf. Isn't that adorable? Oh, my goodness.

But this project has no scientific merit. Oh, take a hike, sister. Sour grapes. Lisa, every good scientist is half B.F. Skinner and half P.T. Barnum. I don't think I need to see the other exhibits. First prize. We'll see a similar instinct with Skinner next year when he's judging Diorama Rama. That's right.

Yes, he cuts it short then, too, doesn't he? But this is interesting, right? The start and the dream that Bart has, he gets first prize, and he gets first prize in real life here. How about that? Skinner's even saying the same line. He's saying first prize. Exactly the same. Oh, my God.

No, it's really, I love Yardley's delivery of that'll learn him to bust my tomato, but it also is slightly unsatisfying. You just have a quick shot to Lisa being sad, and that's it. That's the end of the story. Lisa loses. The end.

Take a hike, sister. Do we have take that Lisa's beliefs ready? Oh, yes. Yeah. Here's a jingle. Eric, just like you, we do enjoy some jingles on here so whenever lisa is made to feel bad we have a jingle take that lisa's beliefs i love it lisa dared to be upset that bart destroyed her project and so she must lose

to bart and feel shame and ultimately marge was correct and her experiment was unethical yeah you know it's true i guess that's right i meanwhile bart i mean skinner must really love this that he's letting bart win when he normally hates bart and wouldn't want to condone his his project like this but uh also it's fun the commentary they talk about how at the time jeff martin was saying this was more of them writing bart is secretly gay because he had he owns like this costume it's like boy bart dresses up a lot yeah he's got this adorable carnival barker outfit and he treats that you know and he didn't shock a hamster like lisa so she actually treats his

subjects a lot better too yeah he was making a little scarf and miniature goggles oh sour grapes i like that this minnesota woman is just there to scold lisa and the end uh we're heading towards the end and i love how this is just a series of 10 second jokes about drinking until we get to the very sweet ending but it's just so rapid fire oh yeah the commercial with the feminist yeah i oh by the way if you're thinking oh the original script maybe that had more resolution for lisa not really the there's only one extra joke which is lisa's sad she didn't win and then the guy next the the boy next to her has found the cure for the common cold and he's so pissed off he breaks his vial of it in in rage that's good uh but yeah then uh it's it's a series of we get this fast forward

through homer's month i do love that the uh image for the calendar is two teens sipping a beer together like it's a it's a rockwell painting of underage drinking that's great uh and then so uh yes this is a very smart little scene about parodying sexist beer commercials by starting with an advertising agency that is being protested by feminists for sexist advertising that then turns into a sexist commercial for beer. And of course, McMahon and Tate, that's the company from Bewitched. That's where Darren works in Bewitched. Two guys leaning up against a truck or whatever. Look at all those feminists. And they shake up their beer and they spray their beer on these women and they turn into bikini babes.

And it's like, all right. That was basically ads back then. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. That's what the Spuds McKenzie. The Schmitz gay beer ad from SNL was parodying these kind of ads. Oh, yes. Oh, instead of babes babe showing up it's dudes

that show up just just like uh how farley raises up his glasses i love oh man i love when he in it uh like sandler has a camcorder and he's filming all the hunks and then farley points his camera at a guy's bulge just to be like dude check this out and also the phil hartman who's also in this episode his line of like if you want beer and if you like beer and you're gay get schmitz gay uh though homer's reaction in the script is i'd like to see you do that lemonade but i prefer tv have you turned on me too uh and And yes, as the 30 days continue, there is also another scene where Homer goes to Moe's bar

that they cut where Homer is drinking a soda and he's noticing that everybody there, if you're not drunk, in the bar is miserable instead of happy. And as Homer is about to say that out loud, Moe points a shotgun at Homer and tells him to leave.

But there's other downsides to being sober too as homer goes to a baseball game and sees that uh you know i've been to some baseball game i enjoy a baseball game once a year i do think of this joke sometimes as i'm bored at a baseball game yeah well i'm busy being drunk at the baseball game but no i do enjoy baseball from time to time too. But yeah, no, this makes sense. This hits. The Mariners are about to have their new season about to start. I'm getting excited for it. Not really.

Are you? Are you really? No, not really. No. Because I will say, Henry, when I saw you post a selfie from the Mariners game, you were wearing headphones. Were we podcasting you through that game? It was podcasting before the game began.

I was in my seat. What if a player saw you? They would cry. It was dog night there too, which was fun. People were encouraged to bring their pets to the game. It was a fun game. Also, it was a covered park because they got to be ready for that in Seattle. But but Eric, who's your team?

Oh, my God. Well, my my parents were Cubs fans, so I tend to go a little bit towards the Cubs, you know, got a root for the Cubbies. But my father in law is like a die-hard yankees uh brooklyn guy you know totally totally that guy like you know he's got a great forget about it like top to bottom so it's those are the two teams it doesn't really make sense to be a cubs and yankees fan but like you you know it's loose i'm not really that invested in this stuff i'll see one baseball game a year tops i'm not i'm not much of a baseball viewer i'm looking into it now because you know canada not known for baseball shockingly uh now that i live here and there is

a minor league team uh hilariously called the vancouver canadians so my God. That's amazing. There's also the Blue Jays as well. Toronto, I believe. Yes, that's across the mountains from you. I mean, an arduous journey. Can you drive that route, or does everyone just fly there? I think there's nothing but just a tundra between them. All of Canada's five cities, it's just uninhabitable between every one of them. Exactly, yeah, I figured.

Then I also like when they're listening to the game, Barney has a beer in each hand and he's just chugging the entire time. We go to a supperware party, which it's great to hear Stern on the commentary is like, my girls, he loves Patty and Selma. And only he would bring back Jub Jub, who they first added in Selma's Choice sorry in selma's choice not too long

ago they're talking about how when they try to add jub jub and then current like season 14 or 15 episodes it just confuses people who are just like wait jub jub what everybody forgets her lizard and i love the drawing of selma with her head in the tub. And of course, Homer would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer. And also then Homer hits a low so low that even AA throws him away. Oh my God, this is something. Great line here. He ate the dirt under the bleachers at a football game. Lovejoy even loses his stuff there.

And then comes an amazing sequence. Oh, my God. The animation team. Homer is being chased by beer everywhere he goes. The shot of him bent over his bike as he's running away. Like, God, it's all so good. Like the train going by. Chug-a-lug, chug-a-lug, chug-a-lug chug-a-lug and just is like no

as the as the bottles are raining down on him all right the surrender to duff where they're just airdropping free beer and it's he's being targeted i think this is gang stalking as a teenager i would have loved to find one of these blimps yeah do you do you think also the thing in the sky saying surrender is a surrender dorothy reference to The Wizard of Oz? I could see that. Yeah. That's what I was thinking. Apparently that's a famous graffiti thing to write Surrender Dorothy.

Really? I did not know this. Wow. At least in the D.C. area, according to the wiki page for Surrender Dorothy I was reading. I had no idea. I know, what was it, Kilroy was here? reading. I had no idea. I know. Uh, what was it? Uh, Kilroy was here.

That's one I know. And King mob is another one, at least in England. And I know that from a comic book, um, but it's gotta be true. Uh, so then after all of this,

I love the cut to Homer shaky hand. Like it has been a hard month for Homer. It's been really hard. This is when Homer has a new lease on life in a in a uh first for the series happens in this little sequence i'm proud of you homie marge i'm going to mose send the kids to the neighbors i'm coming back loaded you don't have to start drinking right away. I was thinking we could go for a bike ride. But Marge, the bar flies are expecting me. Moe and Barney and that guy who calls me Bill.

But you look better. You don't sweat while you eat anymore. And look, you've saved more than $100. I found it in your pants. Yank. Well, well, look who it is. Mr. I-don't-need-alcohol-to-enjoy-life. We hate him, right, fellas?

Mo, give me a beer. Hey, everybody, Homer's back. God, sweat while you eat is such a great detail. I love the, and that guy who calls me Bill. That is a perfect description of a bar fly, as you get to know it later in life when you start going to bars. If you go to bars with any regularity, you will start running into a guy who calls you Bill.

There are some cautionary tales. When I was living in Berkeley, I had a local bar, and there were a few guys who were there every day, always alone, always like a little too drunk for whatever time of the day it was. And not me. I was working on podcast notes and maybe drinking three to four beers at the same time. You were being productive. They were just drinking. That's the difference between us podcasters and alcohol. Yeah. Get a MacBook in front of that guy. And I'd say, you know, healthy lifestyle. Exactly. He's out of the house that guy can't be trusted with a macbook that's the test like if you cannot spill beer on your macbook then you can be trusted to stay at a bar all day all right so this is we'll say this in a later one uh but actually this is the first yoink this is the the first aljean said it on twitter too that the official first

yoink is here it it's also said in last uh exit to springfield which is the next season four you're going to hear us talk about but this is the first one and we we have more of its background in that one but it's just such a funny spoken sound effect of a of theft it's so funny it is it's really good and uh if you're wondering why when homer says i'm coming back loaded the the screen zooms down to his stomach that's because he said a totally different line before that is about his stomach uh the original line is and you know the best part with all the weight i lost i can get drunk much faster so true that's funnier yeah they're both good but yeah that is that's a that's a smarter joke for sure but i do feel for march here that she's just begging him like you know now that you've broken your habit you don't have to instantly start drinking again and she's just

begging him and homer's like nah nope that hundred dollars instantly going back into mo's right now but he resists right because of all the how disgusting those guys are and i just love the muttering of like for either thing you know we hate them or we love them it's it is perfect muttering it really is uh yeah the i i've i've probably muttered that exact way from hearing in this this episode. Definitely. So Homer is staring at his beer. They frame this and have a reference to it. I think that is them intentionally being like, look, we know this is sort of like a scared straight ending to something, to an instructional. But this is very specifically from Reefer Madness, this ending here, which if you've you only have to to pull up the ending of the, Reefer Madness is a long movie.

It's a long movie? Are you being sarcastic? No, well, it is like a, it's like an 80 minute thing. It is not a short film. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like an exploitation film. I consider it a short movie, but yeah, at the end of the movie, it's the judge saying, you know, this is a cautionary tale, but it could happen to your children and yours.

And then look at the camera and yours. Yes. I it up 68 minutes okay it's kind of fun it's really it's really you know it's dumb obviously like uh you know early kind of propaganda or whatever worth checking out i think might be fun to put on at a party oh absolutely yeah i mean the dangers of smoking weed in that movie one of them is playing the piano too fast yes i guess you don't do that that's crazy also it helped me discover another reference like when he's pointing after he does the point to camera and then on the screen in big bold text tell your children right right it reminds me of in the the futurama episode, don't date robots. I think Tell Your Children was an alternate title to Reefer Madness. If a theater didn't want the word reefer on their marquee.

Oh, okay. That makes sense. Yeah. But yes, here the lesson Homer learns is don't drink alcohol. Come on, Homer. Do it for your old pal, Mosey. But, Moe, yesterday you called Homer a worthless sack of... Pipe down, rubber dub. Oh. Put it in the fridge, Moe. I've got a date with my wife. You'll be back. And so will you. And you. And you.

Of course I'll be back. If you didn't close, I'd never leave. Raindrops keep falling on my head. But that doesn't mean my eyes will soon be turning red. La, la, la, la, la. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. And then you hear a cover of the song sung by Kip Lennon. He does a better job than the guy who sings it in the movie, I will say that. Actually, they credit Kip Lennon for the first time, or seemingly for the first time,

or one of the rare times they credit him for actually doing one of the covers. Yeah, usually the cover singer is uncredited, and I have to buy an album of Simpsons songs to look it up in the liner notes who sang these things. But Bob, you're saying he sings it better than B.J. Thomas? Yeah, not very. I mean, I did enjoy Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. I watched it for the first time last night. I forget if I said this up front, but it's like a very, very sanitized Western. When movies were entering the new Hollywood movement, things were getting grittier.

Movies were getting longer and a little more aimless and they're being more experimental. This one is just very clean and the raindrops keep falling on my head sequence. Just feels like a music video dropped into the movie where it is the Paul Newman character in the female character. I forget who the actor

is there. Just having fun on the new invention known as the bicycle and riding around and the actor is there just having fun on the new invention known as the bicycle and riding around and the song is playing and i always thought the lyrics of the song were really stupid am i alone in this no yeah no it's stupid yeah i thought so the guy's feet were too big for his bed nothing seems to fit me yeah and there's even like you know i did enjoy the movie but there is an even goofier sequence later. It's another music video kind of thing where it's a montage of them robbing banks. And in the background, this very 60s bossa nova with people saying, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. It just keeps going on and on and on. It's it's very strange, but memorable, I'm not a huge, huge fan of the Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. I guess I understand. I think you had to be there. Maybe, you know, it's like, oh, you know, these big stars and it's emerging stars and it's goofy and it's light on its feet. And maybe we're a little tired of just watching Sergey Leone handsome men, so you got that going for it. And then on top of that, I do think it felt it probably felt novel at the time to be like pop songs that are anachronistic. What like that? That probably shocked people then. But I remember I haven't seen it in a long time.

I do remember the most memorable scene to me other than like, you know, the ending or the jump off the cliff which is pretty memorable which they actually put like a simpsons commercial like yeah i was trying to look that up it's when they were uh rotoscoping simpsons characters over famous hollywood scenes i couldn't find yeah but i know we've talked about it before yeah no it's such a weird it's it's actually simpsons animated better than maybe they ever are any other time like it's like you know uh animated on the ones rough drafts high level animation and they i think it's all fox movies they animate them into because it's like patton butch and sundance and star wars among them the other scene i remember is early in the movie where like butch i believe is being challenged for leadership by some young guy

and the way to win the fight he just kicks the guy in the balls and like just cheats like i remember that being funny yeah it was going to be a knife fight it definitely has its moments i i really do love that ending and now bob you know why the film festival has that name yes i think i think when i sat down to watch the movie with my wife i thought the same thing and then she said i told you this before i was like oh thank you also it's very uh they they admit it on the commentary when you watch it they do play it like too real he just backhands barney and barney just goes like oh like it's there's not a joke there it's just sad he just slaps barney right in the face and hurts him.

Barney bounces back quickly because he said, if you didn't close, I'd never leave. That's true. Well, and as we saw earlier, he's impossible to knock out. So it's more just the shock of the slap. It's not the pain for Barney. It's that, I mean, also, like, pipe down, rub a dub. Like, what a mean. Moe is very dark in this this one though not as dark as he

will get that is for sure i love that mo love him dark he's either trying to kill himself or killing other people or occasionally there's some roofie jokes with him and some really dark times with mo oh jesus uh you know that to be faire's character, the roofie jokes are usually in fantasy sequences, not canonical roofie jokes. Yeah. His mind, you know, it's a Polish character with the last name that starts with SZ, and those guys can't be trusted. That's right. I didn't even make that connection. Wow.

Though also, is that a fake name by him? Because Homer calls him Moe momar and seems to know his background so he seems to have an italian accent oh that's true he also he knows speaking with your accent no more uh but uh yeah i it's it is a very cute little ending of of homer and marge riding the bicycle just like uh in the movie and la la la la la it's it's nice it's a nice ending after all it is a nice ending it's it a sweet little ending. I'm sort of glad they didn't have him immediately go back to drinking just so they could have this nice

moment together. But he will be drinking in excess in the very next episode and be a drunken idiot. So yeah, it's not like this fixed Homer, of course. And in this world, two adults can sit on a child's bike and drive safely down the street.

Well, that's why it's an empty street. They're at the end of a cul-de-sac, let's say. It's also nice how Marge says, I thought we could go for a bike ride. And then, yeah, it's sitting on a child's bike together. But yeah, I think this is Selma's choice the last one stern road i think is a a better like emotional journey of an episode and all that especially because i think lisa's story is just both mean to lisa it doesn't have a good ending but homer i mean this is animated beautifully and homer's journey through forced sobriety is a funny one too yeah it's just uh uh very strong season four we're getting towards the

back end of season four where things get a little punchier, not as strong as you remember them, but this is one of the last super, super strong episodes from this season. And it includes a semi-realistic look at alcoholism with some important questions, and it follows Homer's journey in a fun way. So they're having lots of fun with jokes,

but then it ends in a very satisfying, emotional way. So yeah, I love Deathless. Oh yeah oh yeah no this is a really fun episode i i i just love all the stuff at the duff brewery you know this this everyone gets a little moment like wigum uh lovejoy we kind of really touch on everyone i i it's just a fun episode you know when you asked me to do this episode i thought i thought duff man was in it i was getting confused with that one where he shows up at the bar and uh barney's the designated driver but that's when barney doesn't drink so uh but both of those episodes are great this was a lot of fun now we thank you so much eric for coming back on

thank you for having me yes thanks eric and please let our listeners know all about we hate movies you've got a uh a lot of content going on including the new uh miniseries too old for this shit yes which is where we are recapping the new x-men 97 uh cartoon that's on disney plus and uh better than expected i will say i'm enjoying it first two, as of this recording, we've only done the first two of the new one. We did a recording on a podcast on the Night of the Sentinels, the opening of the X-Men animated series from 1992 that is available for everyone on our free feed to get a taste. But for the rest of it, you got to join at patreon.com slash wehatemovies.

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Me and Bob loved you guys. That's a lost show to time, so you never know what will get recorded or not. So you've got to come out and see us live we can pass it down via oral tradition around the campfire at the very least the uh the two uncouth for podcasts tale of uh i believe it was your hotel experience eric yes oh my god that was a humdinger wasn't it yeah no i, no. I checked into the hotel in San Francisco, and I noticed some guy across the way was seated at the computer, completely naked, and the windows completely open, floor to ceiling,

and he's beating his meat, and he notices that I see him, so he turns around and starts jerking off at me. Ooh. And then he takes out his phone and starts filming me. And then I was just scared and I ran into the bathroom like a Homer scream and jump out the window. And then I didn't know what to do. So I snuck back out and I closed the blinds.

And then I went downstairs and I was worried he would find me or something. Or this footage would surface. like all this did you hear that podcast she was trying to watch this guy jerk off and i'm like no no that was my big trauma he was giving you uh the bay area welcome eric that's just the kind of fun stories you'll hear on we hate movies yes we are quite dirty so get dirty with us again atlanta houston austin they promise to meet one sex offender on every visit to your city and tell a story about it yeah yeah yeah well steve's coming with so but thank you so much again yes thank you eric you guys really had a blast it's always a pleasure thanks again to Eric Siska for being on the show please check out We Hate Movies and everything

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