Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Dumbbell Indemnity With Nina Matsumoto

Episode Date: May 8, 2019

Our artist friend and fellow Simpsons expert Nina Matsumoto is back to chat with us about love, insurance, and Hank Azaria fansites in this classic episode! Not only will you get some necessary background on guest star Helen Hunt, but you'll also enjoy a refreshing Bacardi colata, have lobsters stuffed with tacos, and a steak the size of a toilet seat! Now stop kissing that cat and listen to this week's podcast!! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! This podcast is brought to you by the streaming network VRV: home to cartoons, anime, and so much more! Visit VRV.co/WAC to sign up for your FREE 30-day trial and kick a little money back to your friends at the Talking Simpsons Network!

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It's real easy, man. I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, ahoy, everybody. Welcome to Talking Simpsons, where we die ugly and lonely and dead. I'm your host, the chimp-hailing Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with us today? Henry Gilbert, and I'm not going to lie, a lot of people saw that. And who do we have as our special guest? I'm Nina Matsumoto, stuffed with tacos.

And today's episode is Dumbbell Indemnity. And bring us the finest food you got, stuffed with the second finest. Excellent, sir. Lobster stuffed with tacos. So good. Today's episode aired on March 1st, 1998, and as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh my god! Oh boy, Bobby! And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh, my God. Oh, boy, Bobby. Famous film bomb, Burn, Hollywood Burn, debuts in theaters.

Madonna releases Ray of Light in record stores. And Pamela Anderson divorces Motley Crue drummer Tommy Lee. Wow. Was that an Alan Smith-y film, the first thing? It was an Alan Smith-y film. But it was also, the director took his name off it. Yes, yeah. So it's a an Alan Smith-y film, the first thing? It was an Alan Smith-y film. But it was also, the director took his name off it. Yes, yeah. So it's a real Alan Smith-y film. In title, it was supposed to be a joke about an Alan Smith-y film.

In case you guys don't know, the Alan Smith-y practice is the accepted fake name in the DGA, Directors Guild, that they allow a director to take their name off of and replace with a fake name. So when they were making this movie that's a parody stand-up of Hollywood starring tons of real Hollywood stars who would sit down for 10 minutes and be like, well, Jackie Chan's technically in this movie. They make this movie. It's apparently very bad. I've never seen more than two minutes of it. The director agreed that it was bad and took his name off of it for real.

And so it really is an Alan Smith-y film in credit. Meanwhile, that ray of lights the beauty i think that's the one that is beautiful stranger on it right or was that just for austin powers i thought that was just for the austin powers yeah he was the beautiful stranger i i do remember though this is when she came out as uh kabbalah though this ray of lights uh album and went like 16 times platinum it It sold quite a lot. It's a really good album. I think it still holds up to this day.

It also has a lot of great music videos attached to it. I'm super into music videos. I love the ones that came out of this album. Like Ray of Light, the titular Ray of Light. Frozen, of course. That one's really great. That's a really good one. And Nothing Really Matters.

Oh, I love that one. That one, it was revealed in Twitter recently. One of the guys that worked on Silent Hill 2 said he was influenced by the look of that music video. That was real eye-opening. Like, oh, of course. Yeah, I don't think anyone made that connection before. But when you watch that video, you're like, yeah, it does kind of give off a Silent Hill feel. Yeah.

Just like how Kindergarten Cop was the influence for Silent Hill 1, Madonna's video was for 2. I had not heard that. Yeah, I mean, the school this is so stupid. The school in Silent Hill 1 is the school from Kindergarten Cop because they're like what does an American school look like? Oh, this movie is about a school. So if you play the game and then watch Kindergarten Cop, it's like the same place. I didn't know that.

You can look at pictures online. It's great. And yes, Pam Landerson and Tommy Lee what a sad, not unlike the stars of this episode, a celebrity love story that ended too soon. Yes. They never made a sequel to that tape, did they? Ah, yes. No.

Anyway, sorry. It influenced a really good Mr. Show schedule. Yes, yeah. Dude, show me your weenus. That's what she says to him in the video. And then later, she would try to say that he gave her hepatitis. When everybody's like, it's Kid Rock. It was Kid Rock, everybody.

Come on. We all. Future President Rock. No. I would accept that The Rock is president before Kid Rock. Both Rocks are going to run at some point. They'll both be president. I mean, the world's over, man. The satire is dead. But anyway. It's a hell of a toboggan ride.

What's Burn Baby Burn about, by the way? It's about Hollywood and making a movie and celebrity. Tons of celebrities are playing themselves. And it didn't win an Oscar? No, because it's mean to it. It also just had bad buzz. It's not like how The Aviator was about how Katharine Hepburn is the greatest woman of all time. And they're like, well, we got a Kate Blanchett is doing such a good job pretending to be Katharine Hepburn.

We have to give her an Oscar right now. That's how it worked. This was the opposite of that. Okay. If it was a celebration of Hollywood, if I would have a best picture that year. Anyway, the dumbbell indemnity. This episode made me aware of double indemnity. And I've seen it like maybe four or five times in theaters in the Bay Area.

Yeah, I was going to say you're a noir head, Bob. So I was looking to you. I like film noir just fine, too. But for me, first Marvel films, you are to film noir. So it's funny that James M. Cain, a great crime author, he's been dead for a long time. He basically wrote the same story twice. So double indemnity is essentially the same story as the postman always rings twice they're both very good but they're essentially the same story in which a new man enters a woman's life the woman is married to an abusive uh often older man and she gets the younger man to kill him

uh to make it look like an accident in this case in the case of double indemnity if the man is killed or if he dies while on a train his insurance pays out a lot higher and the hook for double indemnity is the guy that comes to visit is an insurance salesman so he's killed by an insurance salesman it's very very good yeah it's got uh edward g robinson in it it's got fred mcmurray in a rare non-disney goof-em-up role. He murders someone. He murders a couple people in this movie. It's shocking to see Fred McMurray in this. And Barbara Stanwyck. It's really good, but I...

She's a femme fatale for the ages. I was re-watching it ahead of this. Oh, really? Okay. Clips. I seen it a long time ago, but I just re-watched clips of it. It's on... If you've got Starz,

you can watch it right now on your Amazon Prime account. It's great. It has nothing in common with this episode except for insurance fraud. Insurance fraud is kind of it, yeah. Well, that's why I like that Renee is not a femme fatale who is using Moe, that she is just an innocent

and the only thing making Moe do what he does is crippling self-hatred. Though I think they fail in this one, though, in that they got an Edward G. Robinson movie and yet Wigg yeah doesn't really play that role in this episode homer's more of the edward g robinson type in here also i didn't realize until doing this research that like so it was the cane cane wrote it but then the film version was like co-written by raymond chandler so it's this i think that's what makes it such a

great film noir is that you have the base of a classic film noir story, and then you have one of the greatest noir writers of all time, Raymond Chandler, rewriting it. He hated it. He hated it. With James M. Cain, his books are all like, everyone is awful, the world is corrupt, there is no hope for anyone in this world. Raymond Chandler, Philip Marlowe was like the white knight, like the one good person in the world that would help other people. But in James M. C in the world that would help other people. But in James M. Cain's world, no one has redemption. Everyone is terrible. Wow.

Yeah. What I read that this was based on an actual real life event of fraud, except it ended with the man dead and the woman put in the electric chair when the first women ever executed by America, which was like her photograph of being in the electric chair was one of the most famous photos of the 1920s. She broke through the glass ceiling of executions. I've never quite liked the title of this episode, though. It's kind of a forced joke. I mean, they would have a lot of fun with how sweaty the titles get later on in the run of The Simpsons. But dumbbell indemnity is hard to say. Double indemnity.

Nobody knows what it is outside of the one movie. And even that has no relevance now. You have to accept the idea that Homer is the dumbbell, which is like who outside of the 1950s calls a stupid person a dumbbell? That's like an Archie Comics insult. I didn't even know that was an insult until like a day ago when Bob told me. It's like, well, because dumb is in it. I thought they just called it that because the word dumb is in it. But I'm like, well, because dumb, isn't it? I thought they just called it that

because the word dumb is in it. But I'm like, well, a dumbbell is a thing you use to lift things. But apparently it's an insult too. I didn't know. I, you know, I blame the Looney Tunes-y titling on Ron Hauge writing this one. Because he, as we've talked about before,

he is a Ren and Stimpy alum. So this feels like definitely a Ren and Stimpy episode could have been called a dumbbell indemnity as well I would not have been surprised at that this was a fun episode for me to watch at the time because uh until actually rather recently I was a very angry lonely person like Mo is at the start of this episode and so uh his angry self-hate that he projects at the world uh was very um easy to identify with for me at a time. I've had Mo-like periods in my life.

But not no Mo! I'm sorry. It's over now. Yeah, this episode features an unlikely celebrity couple, Hank Azaria and Helen Hunt. That's who I wanted to be in this episode, actually, because I ran a Hank Azaria fan site

from around 1998 to 2000. So I followed his life and career very closely during that period. My site was one of maybe four or five Hank Azaria fan sites out there. Mine was definitely the best, I would say, because I cared the most about him because I was really into his voice work. But he wanted to be, I got a real feel from reading interviews from back then that he wanted to be famous not as a voice actor, right? Like he wanted to be more live action stuff. I think he really wanted to break into acting, yeah. But there's definitely more attention drawn to Helen, of course.

And speaking of celebrity couples, I'm kind of in a celebrity relationship. It's true. Sort of. The whole world is talking about me and Nina. That's true. Sort of. The whole world is talking about me and Nina. That's right. Now, if you follow the several thousand clues I laid on the internet, you would have guessed months ago that we're dating. Well, more like if you follow both of us on Twitter, it's kind of obvious. Why are they the same restaurant?

Yeah. Well, which is why I'm a very private person and I normally wouldn't do this. But since it's so obvious and it's getting hard to skirt around the subject and hide it, so I just want to come out to skirt around the subject and hide it, so I just want to come out and say yes, we are dating. Yes. I think a number of commenters have said they sound like people who are more than friends. I think some people have caught on, yeah.

But so, hey, you were right, guessers. Please respect our privacy, please. And we're going to be talking about relationships in this episode a lot, so it'd be weird if I was like talking about this. One day when I have a boyfriend. Yeah, exactly. This is a huge shock. And with Bob constantly mentioning his girlfriend on the podcast

but never naming her or giving any clues as to what kind of person she is. We don't do that anymore, though. This is a huge shock to me, I have to say. Yeah, right. Sorry, I don't want to go on about this too long. But about Hank and Helen, yeah. So I was really into Hank Azaria as a voice actor. I was into the entire voice cast growing up,

because I like voice actors in general. But I liked Hank Azaria the most out of all the Simpsons voice actors. And he was getting into, he was the most in the spotlight, I suppose, because of his work outside of voice acting and because of getting into he was the most in the spotlight i suppose because of his work outside of voice acting and because of his relationship to helen so there was you know i could find the most news circles about him and he would be in interviews as well yeah yeah he was getting cast in live action stuff way more often than harry or dan or julie who all had you know nancy well you're i guess nancy's the only one who was a career voice actress. She barely appeared in live action roles,

but all the rest of those people kind of fell into it. After Simpsons, it seemed like they were... I would see Julie in... She'd occasionally appear in a Tracy Ullman thing. She was in Tracy Takes On a couple times. You'll see Dan every now and then. Yeah, I think aside from Hank, I would see Dan the most often. You still see him here and there too,

Dan making little cameo appearances. So little bit about hank and helen and oh by the way and during this period i was thrust into the world of uh helen hunt fandom oh wow because like there wasn't a whole lot of eyes on hank it's just people who are really into helen hunt who would also pay attention to him this is right after she won the Oscar, though, right? Oh, no, the timing on this, actually, I was going to mention that later. The timing on this episode is kind of sad, but with her, well, happy with her Oscar win, BS. They started dating in 1994, and they did it for five years. And there was a lot of talk of like, oh, when are you guys getting married and all that. And actually, Hank first proposed to Helen earlier in 1997 and she turned him down. And then he proposed to her a second time in Hawaii

in October 1997. Whoa. Whoa. And then she accepted. That's five months before this episode. So I wonder, did he do that because they did all those Hawaii lines in this episode? Did that make him want to go to Hawaii? Wow. Wow. It makes me wonder.

Yeah. Wow. That timing is eerie. I had no clue. Yeah. So episode did that make you want to go to Hawaii wow wow it makes me wonder yeah wow that timing is eerie I had no clue yeah so after five years of dating they finally married uh in July 1999 so they were engaged for a while before they actually got married and they got married in their like Southern California home in their backyard like they didn't even tell their friends that oh wow it was going to be a wedding ceremony they just invited a whole bunch of their friends and apparently Hank's friends thought it was going to be a wedding ceremony. They just invited a whole bunch of their friends. And apparently Hank's friends thought it was going to be a Mystery Men related party because Mystery Men was just coming out. But yeah, it was just like a really low key wedding. And it sounded like a nice time.

But then they got divorced in December 2000. Yeah, I read on that that they also had been like separated six months before that. So it was a, I think I had like a year of being married, actually married. Not even. I think it was like 11 months or so. Ouch, man. Yeah, Helen filed for divorce over irreconcilable differences. That's sad.

I did find a clip of him on the, this Larry King show has come up a lot on our podcast. Oh, no. This was a recent one, though, where he was, Larry asked, like, oh, you guys are still friends? And he's like, eh, friendly. We're friendly. And he wishes her well in her future love life. Yeah, so post-breakup, Helen married Matthew Carnahan and had two kids with him, but they

had a really messy breakup in 2017. Yes. Oh, I hadn't heard about this. After 16 years of marriage. Oh, that's sad. And Hank started dating an actress called Katie Wright in 2007, and they eventually married and had a son. And I think they were still together.

Oh, I didn't know. Wow. Did you hear him on Andy Cohen Live? No. Oh, wait, I did listen to a clip of that, yeah. Yeah, where he admitted how jealous he was an issue in the relationship. Oh, man. Yeah, that sounded tough.

I mean, because he, yeah, he talked about he, I also didn't know he was best friends with matthew perry yes yeah he says when your wife is helen hunt and your best friend is matthew perry that is some pressure i had i had no clue he was feeling such pressure but i feel bad for him too because it's like you are so famous on the simpsons not as famous as chandler or your oscar- winning wife but The Simpsons is so huge you'll be known forever and everybody loves him in the acting roles he did like he had done Birdcage like three years before

she wasn't as good as it gets well I can identify I'm very resentful of Nina Zeisner I'm hoping they invent a podcast award of the same status that I can win is there any podcast award people know about? no they'll make some

no every podcast award is just like we're throwing a party in la and if you show up you get an award you know as more la companies open up podcasting wings i feel like they'll start investing in the oscars of podcasting and of course we won't be invited it's not being la you do bring up how i have more twitter followers than you constantly ohantly. Oh, boy. Every day. No, it's not true. What's up, Mrs. 19K? Although we kind of dabble in similar industries, we have very different jobs, so I don't really care about that.

Learn from Helen and Hank, guys. Learn from them. Did you know that Hank Azaria auditioned for the part of Joey? Oh, man. That has to haunt you forever. I know. He auditioned for the part of joey and he didn't get the part and apparently he just went back in the audition audition room saying i'm not leaving

until you give me this job he refused to be turned down for the job of joey you think that maybe he didn't realize he's a character actor he doesn't want to be yeah he wants to be a star he's such a good character actor but i just don't think he's good in the starring role well there's no there's less fame and money in that. It's true. Also, in your mind, you're like, I'm a leading man. I'm a leading man. I wonder if it bugged him that in Along Came Polly, he's a character, just a goofy character

next to Ben Stiller, who started as a character actor, and then he's like, no, no, no, I'm a movie star. I'm Ben Stiller, the movie star. If you want to see Hank Azaria's butt, watch Along Came Polly. Oh, yeah. And also Ben Stiller's butt. You'll see both of those butts in that movie. Hank is always in good shape.

He is. Yes. Yeah. Actually, that's a great commentary gag. One of the rare commentaries Hank is on, it's with Gene and Reese. And Reese always loves to joke how gay he is when he is not gay. But he's like, Hank Azaria says, you know, and I was just in came polly and mike he's like oh i saw that twice but like hank is area really had no career before the simpsons i was looking at his credits list i don't know why i never did this before but

really just like an occasional role here and there he was hollywood dog everybody look out for hollywood dog coming in 1990 and then disappearing in 1990 and i guess uh one of the major roles he had was a role in like Woman, but it was still kind of minor. I've seen a bunch of Hank's roles around that time in the late 90s just because I was a huge fan of him and had read a fan site. I liked all the roles he was in, though. How about Herman's Head? I had not seen that. I tried my best to find as many Herman's Head clips as possible online, but it was so hard back then.

Put it on Blu-ray. I would watch it. No one has saved it. I wanted to watch anything with Simpsons voice actors in it, and there was Hank and Yordley in there. That's the only reason I watch it, to be honest. I mean, it was full of racy, sexy Fox jokes. Oh, I love those racy Fox jokes, yeah, as a kid.

Well, based on the commentary, Hank Azaria does not want you to watch it. That's true. He kept telling himself during the filming of that, at least you're not one of the guys in the head. He's outside of the head. I know that at some point in the series, his character and Yardley Smith's character start dating.

So they have like make out scenes. Whoa. Wow. Well, I mean, yeah, I think Hank though, he was so funny in Birdcage.

Like that was, I think when I realized who the face and the voice was. Like, I saw Birdcage with my mom, and afterwards she's like, you know, that's the Simpsons guy. I was like, what? He's in good shape in that, too. He's always in good shape. He said he's always cast as, like, a naked foreigner. Yes.

Which is why he stays in good shape. Yeah. They play a lot of different ethnicities, I think. Yes, it's a very flexible ethnicity of him. That's true. I read a more recent interview with him, and the interviewer describing him as having bulging biceps. I was like, wow.

See, I bet he's jealous of Zachary Levi now, because Zachary Levi was goofy, hunky character actor like on Chuck, and now he's the star of Shazam in a very silly role. Now is the time for buff comedy men. Back then he couldn't do anything as the buff comedy guy. Now he can cast as superheroes. You know, I wonder if he felt he'd be good as Joey because he's best friends with Matthew Perry. Oh, good chemistry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think he had like maybe one guest spot on Friends. And I think he also starred in like one of the many Friends copycats on NBC. It's a very short-lived NBC sitcom. I also want to bring up, he was on Mad About You a bunch. I never liked Mad About You that much. He's not funny on it either. What did he play on Mad About You?

Nat the dog walker. He walks Murray and he's just like, hey, I'm Matt. Yeah, he has a very thick accent I don't like it it's kind of like a less nasal mo yeah yeah I started watching

Mad About You because he was on it and I wanted to catch his appearances and also because I was so deep in the Helen Hunt fan community

and I wanted to be able to talk to my Helen Hunt fan friends about the show even though I wasn't a huge fan of it it was like syndicated

so it was on all the time so it was hard to catch but I've seen all the appearances it was on all the time. So it was a good catch. But I've seen all the appearances. It was competing with The Simpsons at this time. Directly. Bill and Josh shit on it multiple times. They were not fans of it, which is funny because Hank was a regular appear on the show.

Yeah, he was only supposed to be on there once or twice. So the Buckmans, Helen Hunt and Paul Reiser's characters on there, they have this adorable dog named Murray. There's one episode where Murray's acting up while they're away. So they hire a dog walker and that's played by Hank Azaria. But he was such a fan favorite that they kept bringing him back. And eventually Hank was hooked up with their babysitter when they had a baby. They hired a babysitter played by, have you ever seen Six Feet Under?

Yes. Oh, yeah. The woman who married Nathan? Oh, the Australian woman, yeah. God, what's her name? I can't remember, but she played Arlie, who was the babysitter, and then she got together with Nat on the show. That was, I've watched more Mad About You than I care to admit.

Me too, me too. I've probably watched the most out of all of you guys. You definitely have. But I made a joke about this earlier. Nina, your site was declared a safe zone for Helen Hunt fans. Yes. The official plaque and everything. I got a badge of honor from a Helen Hunt fan site.

One of many. Well, because Hank Azaria fans back then were hating on Helen Hunt, so you wanted to show yours wasn't against Helen Hunt? No, they weren't hating on Helen Hunt. I don't know what it... Usually if people are fans of celebrity, they won't like the celebrity's boyfriend or girlfriend

or husband or wife because they want them themselves. Oh, no, there were plenty of male Helen Hunt fans who openly expressed their jealousy over Hank, for sure. I've seen the opposite with wrestling fans recently. Sorry, I always hate wrestling. There was a lot of wrestling last night. Henry just watched 16 hours of wrestling. He has a WrestleMania hangover right now.

But what two of the most famous wrestlers in WWE right now who are both loved by the opposite sex, they revealed their dating. So it was Seth and Becky. They revealed they were dating and now Seth and Becky are getting a lot of shit from the opposite's fans. Like, how dare you?

How dare you? I want to point out to all of our fans out there, Nina and I love you as friends. And that's as far as it'll go. You know, the timing of him on Man About You was interesting too because, yeah, they started dating in 94

and he gets on the show in 95. It was something too in the 90s, just this feeling of when you know a celebrity couple exists, you keep waiting for the celeb

to appear on the other person's show or in movies with them. Did that happen normally? Well, it was a countdown until Brad Pitt appeared on Friends and he eventually did. I'm trying to think of some other ones. Hegazur is also on Friends.

Yes, yeah. Actually, when he went back and demanded the role of Joey, they gave him another role instead. He played the role of David, who Phoebe dated for a while. Oh, okay. They were almost about to get married almost,

but then she chose another guy over him. You remember the Mad About You finale flashes forward in time? Yes, I wanted to talk about that too. So if they bring it back, what do they do with that finale that said what 20 years from now is? That's what I've been wondering.

They are bringing it back. That's right. There's going to be a reboot. Yeah, Spectrum Originals picked up a Mad About You reboot. I don't even know what that is. It's it's a cable network spectrum is a cable network yeah yeah so i guess they're going to have it exclusively on their cable network i don't know everything's making content now i don't understand so helen hunt and paul reiser are going to be executive producers on that and helen's going to direct the first episode it's set to launch

in 2019 oh that's great she's probably not getting the same episode. It's set to launch in 2019. Oh, that's great. She's probably not getting the same paycheck as she was for Mad About You on NBC. Oh, they were getting paid like a million or 1.5 million per episode near the end there. I think Paul Reiser had in his contract that he gets paid as much as Helen or they get paid as much as each other. So when her ship rose, so did his.

That's it. Good for him. So Henry, you watched the finale of Mad About You? I did, yes. You remember Hank in that? I forget what his ending was. I just remember the, I remember their dog dies. I remember his dad dies.

I remember they get a divorce and then they get back together and that their daughter is Janine Garofalo. Yeah, Janine Garofalo played Mabel, their daughter, as an older woman. Because she's like making a movie about them in the future. Yeah. There's one scene in the finale. It's like a, I think it was a finale where this happened jamie has helen hunt's character jamie has a dream where she wakes up next to uh nat

to play oh yeah and she has a dream where they're married and they like kiss in bed oh that's cute it's really sweet but now it's probably depressing to look back on for them yeah or for hank anyway well but and well so this is though the payback now finally that they get like he did all those spots on man about you and i bet all the simpsons writers are chomping at the bit like get us helen hunt you what are you good for hank if he can't get his helen hunt on this show come on and so she sort of comes on to play a non-character just like a pleasant force in moseley i well it feels almost like they drew it to look like her in a wig. It kind of does look like her, yeah.

I like her design, at least. I like the design, yeah. I like this episode, but she is sort of a non-person. Yeah. Well, this came at such a time when Helen was trying to transcend television. I mean, she was. She did Deep Impact before this. That was her 96 movie or early 97.

Yeah, 96-ish or something yeah and then after deep impact then she did twister and then jim brooks himself took catherine as good as it gets and uh that's where she uh you know what is a worst boyfriend for her jack nicholson and as good as it gets or mo who's who's a worse person? Oh boy. I'm going to go with Moe. No, no, no. Jack Nicholson. I would say Jack Nicholson. He treats her worse. He's done real crimes.

That's true, yeah. But she's very good at that movie. She's very sweet and wonderful. I mean, she's also a manic pixie dream girl a little bit, except she gets to have a real life. But there is no reason she should date that awful man.

I was very mad. She's like, you know what I need in my life? A 60-year-old insane person. I just remember way too many screencaps of her one nude scene. Yes, yes. She shows the top of her butt. And there's a bit of her breast as well, side boob.

It was a nice PG-13 nudity. There were some guys online who would just screencap every millisecond of that and post them all over the internet. It was the early day of nudes online. Actually, in Dots Bus, we got to see what that was like, waiting for your Kate Mulgrew fakery to load up. She was also in Pay It Forward, or as I call it, the man who wouldn't burn up. Yeah, so she had kind of the sophomore jinx of post-Oscar stuff. I mean, she starred in some other good stuff, too.

But yeah, Pay It Forward is such a naked Oscar grab that it becomes quite maudlin and terrible. And she was in What Women Want, which I saw in theaters. Like back-to-back movies with Kevin Spacey and Mel Gibson. Yeah. How the times have changed. Oh, boy. And she was the wife in Castaway. I never saw Castaway.

How does the wife figure in? Is she at the very beginning and the very end? Well, I saw in the trailer, he comes back. It's like, I don't need to see the movie. I get it. That fucking trailer. I know, man. I didn't know that when I first saw the movie.

I didn't know they gave that away in the trailer. They do give it away. That's why I don't like watching trailers. She opens the door and she's like, honey? Yes, yeah. She's in there a fair bit because of that. Yeah, once you show off that he's on the island, like just let's leave us at that and let us be surprised that he's on the island, just leave us

at that and let us be surprised. She plays fretful wife, number one. She was a huge superstar back in this time. In fact, I found an interview where Hank says that getting over someone is like a grieving process, but when you walk outside and you see your ex plastered all over

billboards and signs, that makes it harder. It just reopens a wound every single time. That has to be pretty. That would suck. Yeah. The timing of this episode really got me on their breakup because this episode was the start of March. March 23rd is when she wins the Oscar.

Wow. Okay. You have to think that was kind of the end, the beginning of the end there, because he just couldn't take it. Good timing to get her pre-Oscar. She'd be too big for the show post-oscar i wonder if they sat on this to wait for the oscars like now the helen hunt buzz as it is at its peak fox decide let's air this one now uh yeah it was really good and i mean she was also in the jim brooks family i mean

even if hank wasn't dating her they could have have gotten Jim to ask her to be in the show. And again, Jim's never scored him Jack Nicholson. I was really hoping Hank would be in the commentary for this and that he would talk a little about his fascination. Why not? There's some real silences on this commentary here. I really want to hear more about how they work together on this episode. Yeah, me too. Like, they certainly must have acted together. And did they pitch it of like, well, okay, we've got Helen Hunt.

What do we do? She has to have a lot of scenes with Hank. Who of Hank's characters do we give a girlfriend to? Well, did they get Helen Hunt first and then write this episode? Or was it the other way around? Oh, man, what if? This is some real what if here. What if they originally wrote that Apu Manjula episode of like, and Helen plays Manjula,

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Like no one cared what we were doing. James L. Brooks was off making movies, like as good as it gets. Matt Groening was off doing Futurama. No one was paying attention. But then there was a sense like, what the hell are you guys doing? So we see Mike Scully getting like Helen Hunt to come on the show and Mel Gibson and people like that. And meanwhile, Bill and Josh were like,

Lawrence Tierney, Jack Lemmon, Rodney Dangerfield. They were having more fun, but Mike Scully was definitely good for the show in terms of getting big stars. Yeah, Scully understood the star power of a guest star for promotional purposes, which, you you know as artistes i like that bill and joss issued that then we're like we're not advertising stars we're getting who we want as a good voice but you know having the rolling stones on your show gets or you too gets a bunch

of publicity like that for it does for bill and josh stalker channing was the big star they couldn't get not helen hunts i feel like this episode was written for helen though just because yeah they played it so safe with her character, like too safe. And Bob, you were talking about how she's kind of a nothing character. Yeah. I try to think of like, how could they have made her character more interesting? Because I know they didn't want to vilify her. So they didn't want to make it so that she's only after his money and wanted to be spoiled.

I take this as a blessing that she is just a boring character because the Scully years aren't known for how great they write women. And I honestly like, or this is not a Scully production. This is, you know, the pilot for The Critic. I worried they'd write her, they could write her similar to the love interest in that first episode. At least she has a name. Yeah, she has a name. And she's also not bad.

Like she's also not. I almost wish she was kind of bad, just so there's something to her character. It would give her more to do, yeah. If you think about past love interests Mo had... The waitress. The waitress from the Flaming Mo episode, like, she had a bit of a bite to her,

just because she was kind of a Diane or Rebecca. She was supposed to be Diane, yeah, that's all she was. There's that, and what's her name? Oh, does she have a name? The lovematic grandpa. I know that's not canon, but... Oh, no, no, she's all she was. There's that and what's her name? Oh, did she have a name? The Lovematic Grandpa. I know that's not canon. Oh, no, no. She's just a woman.

Actually, the dying from that episode did not have a name either. No, she did. Colette. Oh, oh. She introduced herself like, well, I'm Colette, blah, blah, blah. Okay, okay.

I wrote this down. I didn't remember it. I had to do the research. That's the Lovematic Grandpa one? No, that's the dying. Lovematic Grandpa did not have a name. There's no time for her. But she had a bit of sass to her too,

just because she's written like a sitcom character. Oh, she's totally a friend's guest star. She's a Seinfeld one episode date. Like that's who she is, totally. Yeah, but that also is not in canon. So when he says he hasn't had a date in four years, I stand by that not being canon. So when I was trying to think of how they could have made

Renee more interesting, I thought maybe they could make her more believable as someone who would date someone like Mo. This is a future episode, but the episode where the comic book guy and Agnes date, they're talking about how, oh, we finished each other's insults. And Mo is

a very snarky character, so maybe she could be a bit more snarky too and have that a bit of edge to her he could have at least he could have ended up with someone who has a little bit of the gutter on her like to match his uh filth but yeah it just makes you wonder why is she dating this guy that's why they have a great scene to explain that well explain his best well this this also was the era of you know everybody loves raymond premiering and this it is sitcom writers like writing horrific men who are with wonderful quote-upon-women like they probably there's something about the hell of hollywood male writer psyche in there but um they maybe they also feel like we've got helen on the line here let's not scare her away with

some extreme choices with her character she might not agree with, you know? True, but I just don't like it when writers try their best not to vilify a woman to the point where the woman has no personality. I feel like that's the case here. I still take it as a blessing of like, I don't think they can write a strong female character that they don't abuse. So I'm rather, I feel like it is a choice between a very vanilla woman or an awful woman. And I feel like I'd rather have them write vanilla than an awful woman. A vanilla woman with a real ass and no scars. She is shapely.

At least she has an interesting design. Yeah, I like it. And they were talking about it in the commentary too. They said they wanted to give her like a unique quality so you can see a woman like this dating Mo yeah well she's also

costumed in a way that like Helen Hunt wore those kind of clothes like in as good as it gets or the blue shirt yeah she doesn't wear skirts

very often though no that's true yeah she looks weird standing next to the character's design in 1989 especially as freakish

as Mo yeah speaking of character design I love how Mo goes through so many outfit changes in this yeah he has like five next to the character's design in 1989. Especially as freakish as Mo is. Speaking of character design, I love how Mo goes through so many outfit changes in this. Yeah. He has like five different outfits. That's really,

I wonder why they, yeah, they changed up so much, especially his suspender one. I'm like, ah, that's weird. Yeah, I understand why they had to do it because he has to be shown outside of his bar,

like his leisure time. They created like two different outfits for him though. But he wears his apron all the time outside of the bar. Well, actually actually you know he's trying to dress up nice for his date yeah and i have noticed that his missing tooth appeared for one scene in the show oh i didn't notice that yeah we'll note it when we get i didn't notice it either i'm waiting to see here the i guess well why don't we get into the episode then now i think this episode begins with a texas

snowball fight which is a very funny naming convention i do like that a lot you know it really stuck with me watching this episode this is one of the meanest episodes to march they've ever done like they march really gets it in this one coming home to just like filth and water pouring out of every window and chimney like this is divorce worthy like to leave your wife with this well animated water though it's amazing looking, yes. But, yes, let's hear Homer trying to fix that water heater. Whoa, that's a snowball fight.

Ow, Bart, that has nuts in it. Hey, I thought your mother told you to take a bath. Yeah, Mom says a lot of things. Oh, I understand, kids. you to take a bath. Yeah, Mom says a lot of things. Oh, I understand, kids. I'm not a bath man myself. More of a cologne man. Actually, we can't take a bath anyway. The water heater is broken.

Don't worry. Daddy will fix it. Hmm. Out of my way! She's going to blow! i feel like there are quite a few scenes in the series of characters running away from an exploding thing in the basement like uh was it the dryer in homers phobia yes yeah no the dryer previously exploded now the water he exploded to an absurd degree that has filled the entire house with water real jerk-ass moment of shoving past his children to get out of there and uh i think there must be a deleted scene because marge's hair goes from not drooping to drooping in a frame so I think they I'm saying

they're too mean to Marge but they at least deleted a scene where she gets blasted with water while she walks in with arms full of groceries like it's so so the comedy is that Homer abandons her at such a horrible time to go drink but uh it's so mean to Marge this one I think they got a little too much comedy out of cruelty to Marge. Have you ever had to deal with severe water damage to your property? No, no, I've never. Me neither. I have escaped it one time. It was pretty amazing, but also embarrassing. So I was on, this was at my old apartment in Berkeley. I have gone home for the holiday season. So I'm in Florida for two weeks my apartment is empty i left my apartment unclean because i thought i'll clean it when i get home i'll do all this laundry when i

get home i've left two loads of laundry in my bathroom uh on the floor i get a call a week into my trip that they have replaced the toilet in my bathroom because there was a leak in it that they didn't know that i didn't notice when i left and the my entire floor was so wet that they only found out when it was dripping down stairs and so uh they had to completely replace the toilet and then they also washed all my clothes because they're like well it's covered in toilet water we'll just wash laundry service yes well and uh and they also said like you gotta have your apartment more clean my landlord like gave me shit for my unclean. Wow.

But all I got to see was a dry apartment that came back to you with a brand new toilet. So that's the most water damage I've had to deal with. And I didn't have to deal with it, which, thank goodness. That was, I guess, a Christmas present. But also it was incredibly embarrassing that my landlord had to see all my dirty clothes. It's like a Hallmark Christmas movie, a toilet for Henry. Yeah. I also, the Texas snowball fight,

I wonder if they hoped like children would copy that, if they would inspire them to. It's a waste of good ice cream. Yeah. They should be taking a bite and then throwing it. Or Homer should like

eat it off the walls. That'd be a good gag. You know, actually, hey, I've been meaning, I just remembered, Nina, you blew my mind with a Simpsons art note. So somebody asked us on a previous episode, is Homer's shirt supposed to be read as a polo shirt or a button up?

Me and Bob were sure it was supposed to be polo, but you have a different opinion as a professional Simpsons artist. Yeah, polos are drawn in a very specific way on the Simpsons. It has like a thicker collar and it has like the buttons on front. And usually there's like ridging on the the sleeves and the bottom of the hem as well the bottom of the shirt i was thinking like oh who in the show wears a definite polo shirt and it's hank scorpio when he's wearing his pink polo okay i was actually shocked when you guys both thought yeah i was like what because i've never heard of it being seen as a polo shirt before i've always heard of it being referred to as a button-up. I just couldn't. I've never in my life

imagined buttons on Homer's shirt. I don't think he's ever unbuttoned it, really. Yeah, yeah. The only time I can think of Homer unbuttoning his shirt is when he came home in Colonel Homer, and that was a different shirt. He was sexily unbuttoned. His gut come out. No, because he wears it

to work with a tie sometimes. Yeah, it makes sense. It's like Sipowitz. It's like the Sipowitz, doesn't it? Yeah, exactly. That episode doesn't exist anymore. No, no, no. We can't talk about it anymore.

Stricken from the record. It's not evidence anymore. If you were to wear a pink dyed shirt. If you had. Yeah. Okay, I guess. I think it's supposed to be a collared button down shirt. I mean, you're the pro here.

You've drawn that shirt many, many times. I've drawn polo shirts, too. All right, so there you go, folks. That's just my opinion, though, as an official Simpsons artist. Oh, boy. Next time, you know what? If we ever interview Dave Silverman again, we'll double-check with him. I'm trusting your call on this now, Nina.

It's our most expert call on this. We're wrong again. But, yes, Nina, you're really only on here to tell us we're wrong. No, I also, I do really love the sentiment of mom says a lot of things. Like I felt that about bosses

who I hate. Like, yeah, boss says a lot of things. Just a complete disrespecting of authority there, which it's mean to do to Marge. Again, another cruelty to Marge. But I like pointing it at bosses. And yeah, like you said said the waterfall that's going from like the uh chimney out is is really great and

that it's not the entire house it's like you can tell there's a source of water in one place and it can only spread so far murky water too yeah it could have been brown though it could have been like grosser yeah yeah the fact that it had some sort of coloring, too, it made it pretty gross, though. It was clear water. Almost clear. Clear enough. And so then we head to Moe's, where we get to hear about how Homer is such a blissful,

happy drunk, and how Moe is not. To Marge. And all the blissful years I've spent hiding from her in this bar. Big deal you got a wife. I got a rash. Who cares? Yeah, I'm sorry, Homer. It's just, it's been four years since my last date with a what-you-call-it

woman. Whatever happened to your mail-order bride? She got homesick for her old life, diving for tourist pennies in a Micronesian swamp. So her career got in the way. Yeah, I don't blame her. No girl wants to end up with a Joe Puke pair like me. No, no, I won't hear of it, Moe.

You're a fabulous catch. Oh, yeah? Well, how come I ain't fending off movie starlets with a pointy stick? Oh, it's probably due to your ugliness. But that doesn't mean we can't find you a woman. Come on. We're going to the darkest bar in town. I feel like the writers of the Scully era were less in love with the Burns flowery dialogue

and more in love with Moe's guttery dialogue. Yeah, I think so. There's a shift from Burns to Moe in these years. Moe really takes center. I mean, Moe had been in a lot of scenes before but i think there was never a other than flaming mo's like there wasn't another mo centric episode until uh the skull years saying fended off movie starlets that feels like an intentional wing where this episode goes yeah and uh though yeah we we talked about his dating history before but i do want to say you

could say he never went on a date with Colette because they worked together. Maybe he never dated her anywhere, but that otherwise, if he went on dates with Colette, he has had a date in four years. If you, if you take the start of the show is within the same year as now, we don't do that. Maggie hasn't aged at all. It has to be within the same year as the first season. We can't do that. that uh though apparently one other date he had had in an episode that could be considered non-canonical was the season 17 never-ending story then seemingly never-ending story where in a flashback he is dating edna and then edna leaves him because she decides seeing a boy like bart she wanted to teach it inspired her to teach so she became a teacher and leaves him but it's in a story told by like unreliable narrators so you can't completely treat it as canonical i

think but that's that's the only other date he i can find him having uh prior to this one and that and that involves going to a future episode mail order bride jokes just make me sad now they were fun they they seemed funny then, but now I just think of the misery of the people who become mail order brides, and it just makes me sad. When I was a kid, of course, I didn't know about the horror of it or anything, but I didn't know it was a euphemism to cover up something very ugly. I thought it was like, oh yeah, you pay for a wife and she shows up. What's the big deal about that? I'm eight years old. I don't really see mail order bride jokes as often anymore.

Yeah, I think- Well, now that we talk more about things like sex trafficking, it's not as funny. Yeah. Though, I mean, I do love the concept that Mo is so horrible that she would rather go back to strolling for pennies in a Micronesian swamp than be near him. So here's the key problem with Mo. He is full of self-hatred and self-loathing, and he's projecting that onto the world, and that's not very attractive. I didn't understand this for the longest time. I was like, why won't people date me? I'm very mad and hate myself. What's the fucking going on here? That's a lesson for all of you guys out there, and gals, everybody, everybody out there. You would think that Moe's is

the darkest bar in town, but apparently not. It's got plenty of dank, but that disco is danker. They have a Stu's Disco at the Universal. Oh, you're right. I forgot it was from this episode. I had completely forgotten that it appeared. I thought they made it up for the place, sir,

that it was a later season joke. It's not the cleverest name, but I like it, though. I never saw Disco Stu as rich enough to own his own club. How does he get any business if he doesn't advertise? That's what he's been doing it the whole time. This is like the third real appearance of Stu as a joke, right? Yeah, but he's not even in this. He's on the billboard, but there's no scene of him.

But the joke is about him. Yes, yeah. By the way, did you notice the brown-haired Luann in this scene? Yes, there's a couple fuck-ups in this episode. Well, that was the only real animation fuck-up, but I have another note later. Maybe she dyed her hair. Or it's just the lighting is so weird in that place. No, yeah.

No, I don't think so. They messed up. I mean, she's dancing with Pyro, which it's just their night out. They're going out to dance together. That's a fun couple thing, going out to dance. Do people still go dancing on dates? I never have, but I'm a boring person. You call that going to the club.

Yeah. I never felt like doing that. Our date nights are seeing a Marvel film or staying in and watching a Marvel film. No, or watching wrestling. Bob has to take me to the hottest disco in Berkeley now. It's got to be a roller disco or else I'm not going.

I also thought that Sanjay's standee joke was weird. I don't know why it's Sanjay. I guess he is a swarthy because he's got like a medallion. I mean, when Shivam was on the podcast, he told us why they look like they're from the 70s because like the fashions are a bit behind. So he's sort of like got a very disco look to him automatically. That's why in the 90s, Sanjay and Apu were drawn to look like they had 70s apparel.

Yeah, that was the trend at the time, apparently. But now it feels like they just pulled somebody out of their character pack. Who is the swarthiest among you? Maybe Sanjay had a brief stint as a stock photo model. That's an episode Yeah But it also just feels weird To make a skin color joke With one of their few Minority characters

In Sanjay too Swarthy doesn't necessarily Mean skin I thought it meant Like tan Or dark skin Like you have to be Is it more a sense

Of being to be swarthy I think it's like I think it's a state of being Yeah I think so too Alright I think it's like He's got a shirt open With his chest hair

Like a sweaty, hairy masculinity. Yeah. Alright. He could be a swarthy pirate. Also, when they're dancing, Moe is wearing a tux, which I am going to assume he stole off a corpse. Actually, swarthy literally means dark skin, but I don't think anyone refers to it like that

as an adjective. I've never heard that before. Dictionary.com says otherwise. Say this again. Also worth noting in this episode of Mo when he's trying to get a date, he is a registered sex offender. This has been previously established.

Oh, right. That's probably, there's always a line. That was in Milhouse Divided. Okay, okay, yeah. Homer is standing in the line what he thinks is to get a divorce, but it's actually the line to register

as a sex offender. I forgot that. Okay, I forgot that was in the line. What he thinks is to get a divorce, but it's actually the line to register as a sex offender. I forgot that. Okay, I forgot that was in the episode. So keep that in mind about Moe, too. Like, he's, uh, I kind of wonder, Moe, when you're also constantly trafficking in illegal animals and making bets that will make people take your thumbs. Like, all these things. Like, I understand why no woman is with you, Moe.

I want to hope Moe was not doing anything too dark and just, like, masturbating in a movie theater. That's how he got that is with you, Mo. I want to hope Mo was not doing anything too dark and just masturbating in a movie theater. That's how he got that offense. Yeah. He's a regular Pee Wee Herman. But yes, Mo is having some problems on the dance floor. I don't know, Homer. Women can smell panic. And right now I got to be reeking of it.

Relax. All I smell is garlic and fish. You look pretty clean. You mind if I add this dance? It's all yours. Okay, I won't lie to you. A lot of people saw that. But you gotta keep trying.

So, hi there. Don't scream. Oh, hi. Want to join me for a Bacardi and soda yeah yeah that'd be great or maybe you'd prefer a cool refreshing Bacardi colada sure whatever because Bacardi makes the night come alive with freshness uh do you work for Bacardi no I'm in love with you at the liquor store I go to there's often one of these women there really not like sitting down at Uh, do you work for Bacardi? No, I'm in love with you. At the liquor store I go to, there's often one of these women there. Really? Not like sitting down at a table, but like with a little stand offering free booze.

I always think she's going to put a bumper sticker on my head. That's different though. Yeah. It's not like she's sitting at a bar. No, no, but I always think of the scene. The only reason I've ever had Bacardi is probably because I remember like, oh, yeah, Bacardi and Cola. That's like Moe got offered that. I better order it.

I'd say I really hate the song Brick House. It's a comedy song. It's like comparing a woman to a finely built toilet. I am just tired of it as a joke song. In like trailers? It's been used in this period of time. The Simpsons were not being original using it. Everybody used it as a comedy song and stuff.

There should be a funky grandma dancing to it. It does work for the scene, though. Yeah, it does fit. They are in a disco. I agree with the choice, but that song rankles me. Rankles me, I say. But I'm more of a vodka and whiskey guy as opposed to a rum. Rum is like third tier of hard liquor. I do prefer hard liquor to beer, but rum's lower.

I'm a bourbon boy. Though I do like rum on a vacation. I'll have a rum drink. I like all kinds of spirits except for rum, actually. I've just never been introduced to really good rum. Maybe that's the problem. Except at the Tiki Bar. Yeah, so did you guys have the, well, I was going to ask,

did you have the Dole Whip with rum when you went to the Disneyland together? Oh, they don't have rum there. You have to go to the hotel and order it. Sneak it in your tummy. Yeah, well, at the Disney Hotel, this was the tip from the Disneyland masters I had asked because they told me like,

I like Dole Whip fine. You guys are Dole Whip freaks, but Dole Whip's fine. Yeah, we bought the hats and everything. But people were telling me, oh, you got to try the Dole Whip fine. You guys are Dole Whip freaks, but Dole Whip's fine. Yeah, we bought the hats and everything. But people were telling me, oh, you got to try the Dole Whip float in rum. And they said you have to go into the Disneyland. You can just get it by itself in World,

but no alcohol in Disneyland is served. So you have to go to the Disneyland Hotel and like their coffee shop, an official Disney coffee shop, they are allowed to put rum into it themselves and serve it to you. Oh, nice. And it tasted really nice, but I always figured it's like, well, rum tastes good.

So, I mean, it's just, it's a nice drink. Yeah, I would go for that. But yeah, my favorites are gin and whiskey, especially bourbon. I also like tequila. Vodka is kind of down there for me. Like, it's good for mixing with things, but I don't ever drink it. And then is kind of down there for me. Like it's good for mixing with things. That's what I love. And then rum is like bottom tier for me. Just because I never had good rum.

I wouldn't have a Bacardi. I would probably want something like a craft rum. Because a lot of spirits I didn't get into until I tried the craft versions. Like gin. I've introduced a lot of people to gin. Because they say they don't like gin. And then I'm like, well, there's so many different flavors of gin out there. You've got to try craft gin.

The good stuff. I do like. I like gin in the i'm like well there's so many different flavors of gin out there you gotta try craft gin the good stuff i do like i i like gin in the way i like vodka but i am i'm more of a mixed drink person i want sweet things with my alcohol i don't i guess that's why because i prefer to have things straight uh and not mixed oh thank you too i'm not straight here buddy and then rum is too sweet for me i'm not super into sweet drinks. See, rum is already... Man, all this talk here makes me want a Cuba Libre. Is that some sort of voodoo potion? No, that's a rum-based drink. Actually, a zombie is rum, too, I think. I'd really go for that.

There's no tiki bars at Berkeley. Really? That's it. We got an open one. Me and Darren didn't go to that tiki bar you guys went to on our last... On our couple's trip, everybody, we can talk about it now. But yes, you guys went to the tiki bar you guys went to on our last, on our couples trip, everybody. We can talk about it now. But yeah, you guys went to the tiki bar.

We did not partake. Did we go there twice? Yeah. Was it twice? I think we went twice. This is very important that everyone knows we went twice. Let me get on my phone. I'll look at my bank statements.

Though Bacardi's real slogan is not come alive with freshness. It's welcome to the Latin quarter um they're trying way too hard and they they were really you know leaning into the uh to the exotic uh you know island style of mccarty i also the description of that he smells like garlic and fish you just smell it the second homer says it it's just such a disgusting odor it's like he only smells worse later around renee and so you again have to ask yourself why he's very very sweaty in this episode yeah he's he's constantly sweating he's disgusting i also love the writers gave him the best worst aligns to pick up lines don't scream you look pretty clean that's so great uh and yeah and then homer is a terrible wingman also giving him no confidence

uh mo is pretty much given up here ah there's no body for mo i'm just gonna die lonely and ugly and dead well hello mary sunshine huh no cheer up here have a flower. All right, come on, what's the catch? A gorgeous woman don't just hand you a free daffy dill. Really? You think I'm gorgeous? Yeah, well, the part that's showing. I guess you could have a lot of weird scars or a fake ass or something. You don't talk to a lot of women, do you? Well, no, well, not a lot.

Gee, I'm sorry, I used to box, you know. My brain's, well, it's kind of in and out. Oh, that's awful. And look at your little ears. Yeah, it is extensive cauliflowering. Well, your bow tie is just darling. Aha! Ha, well, thanks. Yeah, it kind of draws the eye away from the old mug.

I like a face with character. Let's get out of here, Mo. This is going nowhere. I do love that Homer rejects him. He's like, come on. He's so stupid he can't see that. Mo just hit the lottery. No woman would ever, I feel like no woman except for one with extreme father issues perhaps,

would have this reaction to meeting Mo. I like the idea the girl of your dreams has got to be in some bar. Perhaps because I'm a beta male, I've never gone out to a bar with the intent of picking anybody up. My advice is if you want a girlfriend, start a podcast. And eventually

you'll get one. It works out. I'll be finding a comic book store with a stick. Honestly, my husband was also a listener to my podcast before we met, too. It's all big, like, pyramid schemes. Jeez, you guys. I've got to say, Renee's kind of creepy in this scene. She's selling flowers in a street

corner at night. Yeah. Yeah, we were talking about this earlier. She's Aerith from Final Fantasy VII. Holy shit. It's weird. And right across the street from a bar late at night. She's selling to drunk people, maybe? Or drunk couples? I bet you'd sell a lot of flowers

if you were across the street from a drunk couple like Flower for the Lady. Maybe. No, you'll be stabbed while you're waiting. She should go into the disco to sell flowers. Maybe she used to work at Howard's Flowers, and then she started her own side business. Before my art career took off,

I used to work at a flower shop, actually. And that's really more of a morning thing. Because you get your flowers fresh in the morning, and then everyone buys in the morning as well. And you've got to deliver stuff early in the day. Yeah, those flowers have got to be dying by that nighttime, right? Pretty much, yeah. She's probably selling day-old flowers, like day-old pastries.

Boy, yeah. She really is just magically concocted, like right there around her flowers and all that. I mean, they don't have time to really explore her. They've got to get her together with him fast. I think there could be more to her because she likes Mo out of pity. And there could be a lot more to that.

Like she's got some issues or baggage or something that she needs to get over. But really, she doesn't matter that much. She's more of a catalyst for Moe to spend a lot of money for a caper to happen. There's all this backstory to her. I wish we would have heard it. Yeah.

Some little hints about her personality and character. We're having to just make it up ourselves. I know. Yeah, lots of Renee fan fiction. I do love, for a time, as an unhappy man, I really did love the line, gonna die lonely and ugly and dead. Oh, I forgot to put the other kind of sad note about Renee.

She was named after Ron Hauge's former wife. Oh, yes. Oh, no, boy, this episode is full of heartbreaks. He sounds a bit bitter in the commentary. They have a good little joke about it. Yeah, I think pretty much all the writers are divorced now. Except for Scully. I think him and his wife still write together.

Yeah, Julie Thacker. Yeah, Julie Thacker, though. Oakley and Rachel Polito still together. Okay, yeah, that's true. Alright. There's some happy endings in Hollywood. Yeah, I think the Ron Hauge on the commentary, he does get a good laugh out of the

people on the commentary, though he's joking to other divorced Hollywood writers about his Hollywood divorce. So, I mean, at that point, Matt Groening had only had one divorce in that commentary recording. I wonder if he'd laugh more or less now after the second one. Oh, and also during the commentary, Dominic, the director of this episode,

he says, like, oh, on my info sheet, it says, fun fact, Helen and Hank were a couple during the recording of this episode. I'm not sure if that's a fun fact. I guess that's the one little uh hint of it that we hear that's the only elephant in the room there's a lot of silence after that line too I think they must have said something about it like which like just say how you got Helen you don't have to talk about anything that happened after the episode aired don't do any of that I still would have liked to hear if Helen and Hank had fun during the recording. I mean, maybe they felt uncomfortable even talking about it and knowing they'd see Hank later.

I don't know. I don't know. They got to do a commentary on it, but they don't have much they can do on it. Sorry, one last. Oh, yeah. I do love the kind of tragic comedy to Moe's awareness of his massive brain damage. He knows he has he has he's prone to having blackouts i gotta say i've never liked bow ties i think they're i think

they're unattractive i understand why some people like them they're just not for me so when i saw renee being charmed by the boy bow tie i was like not for me even tucker carlson moved on but i think his head just got too big. As those Fox News guys get more racist, their heads just expand. Have you seen Sean Hannity's head? It's like a pumpkin. And yet, when he's next to Sebastian Gorka, his head looks small. Sebastian Gorka looks like he's wearing

a pumpkin of Sebastian Gorka on his head. Their heads just get big and red. I mean, about Tucker Carlson's bow tie, I think it really was. He was playing the Tweety conservative on CNN, but when he's going to the Fox audience, he knows he needs more direct masculinity, so he had to get rid of that bow tie.

He thought he was going to be the next William F. Buckley, but he's like, ah, shit, I'm just Goebbels. I got to go hardcore into the Nazism here. Moe doesn't like attention being drawn to his ears. He's very self-conscious about them. It's my ears. That's right. Yeah.

Oh, wow. Yeah. It's a callback. That was before he was a boxer too. Yeah. Maybe the cauliflowering made them bigger. Yeah.

I guess it's, it's puffier normally. You just don't look at it. Cause he's, I remember Mike Reese took offense. He mentioned on a commentary, he took offense to somebody saying like, oh,

you're supposed to look like Mo. And he's like, Mo's drawn to look like a gorilla. I don't look like Moe, fuck you. I gotta say, I like drawing Moe because he's like, they mentioned in the commentaries too, he's so ugly that even if you draw him off model, it looks fine.

It all looks fine. I don't know if we should say this now, but your friend Ian Boothby, who is a comic writer, Nina, who drew the graphic novel Sparks, he was telling, we were in Vancouver and he was talking to us Also he wrote for Simpsons Comics

I guess that's important too I'm trying to promote your work That's still being sold But he pointed out that someone that worked on the show Told him that Moe was inspired by the comedian Rich Hall Look up a picture of Rich Hall There is a real life Moe walking the streets A man is that ugly

I'm sure he's aware of how ugly he is. I can't remember a single joke he told, but I remember him from early Comedy Central days for sure. That craggy mug. It does have a lot of character. And just like Mo, he doesn't deserve to be without love just

because of how he looks. I'm sure he's funny. Yeah, I remember that. I think I've never heard of his comedy. Oh, you know, mentioning Sparks 2, that's a very pro-cat comic. What do you think about this telling people to stop kissing cats?

Oh, you probably shouldn't kiss a cat that you picked up off the street. No, that's a mistake. Vet all the cats you kiss. I love, when I had a cat, I sure loved kissing it, though. I kissed my bird. The cat didn't like,

how does your bird respond to kisses? My cat is either indifferent or upset. My bird requests kisses, and then he makes kiss noises all the time. In fact, he walks around his cage like kissing different things inside the cage. He kissed my finger pretty hard. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

But you can't see a scar. I'm not giving you the finger bob. Same to you, buddy. So then we get a very funny musical scene, which is this is a pre-Shrek I'm a Believer. Yeah. I feel like you can't use that song without people thinking you're like making a Shrek reference. Oh, by the way, when Rene agrees to go on a date with Mo, he says something like, I'm going to get you the steak the size of a toilet seat. Oh, I love that line.

I like that line, too. And I think it's an appropriate comparison because the biggest steaks do come from the rump. Oh, wow. I didn't know that's where the giant ones came from. That's what the pig tells Homer, right? The best meat's in the rump. Yeah. So you mentioned how you can't think of the song without thinking of Shrek. Well, I remember in the DVD re-release of the Coen Brothers movie Blood Simple, it used to end with I'm a Believer, the movie,

but they changed it when they put it on DVD because they're like, you're going to think of Shrek when you see this movie and you hear the song at the end. I didn't know that. Oh, man. It's a Smash Mouth cover too,

so it's not even the Monkees classic sung by Mickey Dolenz. It's fucking Smash Mouth singing it. And the reason they use it in the movie is because there's the first line like i thought love was only true in fairy tales which totally fits with the world of shrek that's why they picked it and also it works in this episode too oh yeah yeah because later when renee says it was she dated him out of pity he says it's like something out of a fairy tale oh you're right i also didn't know until looking this up that that song was written by Neil Diamond.

Oh, wow. I'm a Believer. It's one of the top Monkees hits sung by Mickey Dolenz, just like Last Train to Clarksville. Last Train to Clarksville.

Just so we don't get corrections, so originally the movie ended with the song, it's the same old song by the Four Tops. They couldn't clear it for VHS, so they put in

I'm a Believer, but then when they put it on dvd they got the four top song again because they didn't want to do the i'm a believer thing because people think it's very complicated but blood simple it's their first movie but so good at least they could afford the four tops then at least at least they went back to their real one yeah it's a great song you can't use it now without people thinking of shrek and uh actually you know what i thought i didn't have the clips for it, but I did. Let's hear him ask her out. Yeah, look, I don't suppose you'd never want to, I don't know, get together sometime. You mean like a date?

Well, I don't know. What was I thinking of? A beautiful girl like you and a gargoyle like me. I'm sorry. Hold on, hold on. I didn't say no exactly. Really? Hot damn.

Don't eat nothing for the next three days because I'm taking you out for a steak the size of a toilet seat. When you put it that way, my name is Renee. Who cares? You're going out with me. She's going out with me, cat. Stop kissing that cat and get in the car.

It does sound like she pities him yeah very much so yes when you really care about someone you shout it from the mountaintops so on behalf of desjardins insurance i'm standing 20 000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you care about you home and auto insurance personalized to your needs weird i don't remember saying that part visit dejaden.com care and get insurance that's really big on care did i mention that we care hold on i didn't say no yeah when he's like well that disease of he's suicidal immediately which is every time i've been told no after asking someone else.

I'm like, why did I ever ask anyone out ever? I'm going to go away and not talk to anyone. I've seen this a lot in, I mean, real life, of course. And this is actually a theme in the Talking Duckman episode we did about face where I think a lot of comedy writers can understand this. Like finding someone and feeling very inadequate and feeling that you're not worthy of their love and having a very tenuous grip on them in your mind i'm not saying that's happening now are you projecting no no no that's how i used to feel before i didn't have confidence but uh it's very relatable confidence stupid yeah you learn to well when you're trying to ask someone out just don't

call yourself a gargoyle yeah yeah hey it works for mo in this uh this fictional situation that's true but if you don't want a pity date the then the whole scene of the the date we the krav kallash guy sells them balloons he's a balloon seller now i gotta say that uh that shot of mo being run over by the horse-drawn carriage yeah it's very it's just very goofy looking but i love his final pose because mo was dead yeah it ran over his throat. No, that made me laugh. I totally forgot about that scene. I put an animated gif of that on Twitter as soon as I watched it. He's so shaky. Like an inline skate date is a very 90s date too.

Instead of the roller rink, they're renting inline skates. Not rollerblades. That's a brand name. Yeah, I'm glad you point that out. When he gets run over, the pacing of it is so perfect. And it also also this is just my inference this is directed by family guy series director dominic palcino he falls and his leg is in the wrong direction clearly broken that is the family guy fall though it's not exactly

drawn the right way but i'm just it feels like a proto family guy fall down he pioneered that and the last known joke about free willie on record yes yeah that gag is funny because funniest to me as the music is winding down there is no other sound effects as he's going out to see that's uh that's even funnier to me and he crushed our boy as uh nina i as an artist what did you think of those crying kids because they looked uglier than Mo oh yeah I want to point out they're very season one designs yeah they like they're a bunch of bald children with like dotted heads I think they were pulled out of like the model sheet package of just like random kids the dustiest envelope they definitely need updating they have like

Mo's teeth even when they're like yeah but now when I see screenshots of newer episodes and I see like kids that are background in those, they look too normal to me. And now Bart and Lisa look like freaks compared to them. They really. Yeah. Yeah. You know, in the recent very good episode that I really liked where that's all about Milhouse starting a men's rights group. The new kids they drew in it it they very much look like cool over accessorized kids which i like their design in a vacuum but yeah next to bart and lisa they

just look like they're on a completely different series than the two of them i saw like i haven't seen the episode but i saw a screen cap of um the girls in the bathroom confronting bart yeah those are the ones oh yeah they look overly yeah. Too many little details to them. Which, again, good in theory. I like that. Although I've noticed, I forget what Twitter account of Simpsons Fannery I follow. Maybe it's that guy.

But he's pointed out that on the background, all backgrounds now, they just have the same kind of angled shadow on the background that has nothing to do with light source. It just seems like how they just draw backgrounds now like i didn't notice that they have all these yeah to take us i'll i'll share with you on the tweets when i find it later but yeah it's something

something to look out for it's uh anyway so yeah then they go to uh they go to restaurants the gilded truffle by the way so before i worked a flower shop, I worked at a bike and inline skating rental store in Vancouver. And I've seen some people like very shakily go out the door on inline skates. Like they're obviously not used to it. And they sign the waiver. Sometimes, yeah, I would wonder like, would I see them alive again? Like just like Mo there, I'd be like, oh, are they going to be okay? Have you not, but you never saw any too bad accidents at that job?

No, no, everyone came back alive as far as I know. Do you, are you a skater yourself? No, I know how to ice skate. It's funny because like. That's a Canadian joke. I've asked, yeah, I've asked a bunch of like American friends, like, do you know how to ice skate? They always say no. Because all my Canadian friends know how to ice skate.

I took ice skating lessons when I was younger. Wow. I'm not great at it. Like I can't skate around. I can't do like fancy moves like crosso it. I can't skate around. I can't do fancy moves like crossovers. I can't inline skate, though. I heard the motions are kind of opposite of what you do when you're ice skating. Interesting.

Now, I don't have very good balance. That actually would be a nightmare date for me. Like, hey, on our third date, watch me fall down a lot in inline skates. That's very attractive. Yeah, the Gilded Truffle has not been back since Bart the Lover, which I found surprising. That's a long time.

I assume that we had seen it before. But yeah, it was introduced in Lisa the Greek as the place Homer took everybody with his gambling money. Oh, right. Yeah, it is the fanciest place in town, though. Not as fancy as we thought, based on that opening gag joke of lobster stuffed with tacos. That is my favorite line.

That's your line of the episode? Lobster stuffed with tacos. Oh, definitely. All right, let's play the jingle. That's the joke. And just to officially do it, I'll play the opening sound again since that's the only clip I have of it.

And bring us the finest food you got stuffed with the second finest. Excellent, sir. Lobster stuffed with tacos. What if they were lobster tacos? Those are also very good. Have you had lobster tacos? I have, yeah.

But I love that joke that the two best things on the menu, one is lobster, which like that is believable. It's the best thing on the menu. Then the second best, it's such a drop of like nothing against tacos,

but they are not fancy food. They're street food. I quote this line all the time for some reason. I would choose tacos over lobster though. I think lobsters are overrated. They are street food. I quote this line all the time for some reason. I would choose tacos over lobster, though. I think lobsters are overrated. They are. Crab is your...

It's like triple the price anyway, too. Your money crustacean is crab. I'm more pro. I'm not the biggest fan of shellfish, but if I got to eat it, I'm more of a crab fan, too. Henry's very kosher. I love how all the lobsters are wearing a little sombrero. Yeah.

That's what they eat. Yeah, I forgot about that touch. That is so great. I wonder where they got that from. Maybe people request this more often than you think. Yeah, they must do it more often. So then there's a joke where he calls him Sabu, which I have to say wrestling has ruined my brain because my first thought was there's a famous wrestler named Sabu, but he didn't get famous until after 98. So I have to assume this is a reference to the oldie time actor, Sabu Dastagir, who started the original Thief of Baghdad film in the 40s.

I feel like it has to, that's the kind of oldie time reference that he would make. Otherwise, I don't know what the Sabu reference is. But why does he call him Sabu? I don't know. I mean, what makes him a servant? Boy, I don't know. Listeners, help me out here here but i am not sure why he calls him sabu i want to say i thought i thought it was like the name of a servant like

in an old movie or like an old series of shorts or something like that again listeners scream at us please wrestling has ruined the google results on this too because if you search like sabu pop culture it's like you mean the ecw champion sabu wrestling ruined superfly for me i thought it was a greasy guy that killed his girlfriend yes yeah not the uh the blaxploitation dude yeah i know it's a superfly jimmy snooker he's uh he's uh quite a man they enjoy their meal we get to hear the real secret of why mo is with her so renee it looks like you've taken quite a shine tomorrow. Do you mind if I ask why? I didn't mean any disrespect. I just can't figure it out.

Well, to be honest, at first it was just pity. It's like out of a storybook, ain't it? But he's really grown on me. He's got this insecure, sweaty charm. Oh, yeah, I got that. And he's so thoughtful. Last night, he bought all the seats in a movie theater just so we could have a romantic evening together. Yeah, well, I just get so tired of idiots shooting their mouths off, laughing and clapping. Makes you want to start poking eyes out and slashing guts and kicking throats. It's okay,

Mom. I'm sorry. It's just I'm so happy I met you. Excuse me, sir. Will there be anything else? Uh, yeah. Park the dessert cart under this beautiful lady's nose and charge it all to my Players Club card. Players Club? Yes, sir. So I did research on the Diners Club.

Did you? I looked up the Players Club as well, but no. I thought Players Club was a parody of the Diners Club. It's kind of a spinoff, but it's a real thing. Well, here. What about the Diners Club? It's 1950. You eat at a restaurant, but you forgot your wallet.

What do you do? There's this thing called credit. What if it worked at restaurants? That's exactly what it was. So that's whenever people reference the Diner Club, it's just the oldest credit card. Pretty much. I mean, there was credit for things like bigger purchase items like cars and houses and things like that. But no one would think of like going to the convenience store and buying something with a credit card or buying a meal with a credit card.

It was the first credit card accepted in restaurants. And then it was absorbed by other credit card companies. Who cares? I see. All right. in restaurants and then it was absorbed by other credit card companies who cares i see all right well the players club card though is a real side thing really diners club though it actually was invented in new jersey and is uh related to the gambling industry of new jersey so that's all on the up and up that uh that kind of makes it the skeezier version that mo would be using but why why should i explain to you the qualities of the Players Club card

when Telly Savalas does it so much better? Kojak himself. You know, I love the excitement in Atlantic City and Las Vegas, and okay, I get VIP treatment. Now you too can get VIP treatment and big savings just by carrying the Players Club Go card. You'll save money on rooms, on top-name entertainment, on food and beverages. Just join

the club that's honored the world over. Atlantic City, Las Vegas, Reno, Tahoe, the Caribbean, all around the world. Hey, no strings attached to get the club's benefits. You listen to Telly, call Players Club today. I trust that man implicitly. Telly, Telly wouldn't do me wrong with this Players Club card. So yeah, that was from 1986. So I think too, the joke is that it's a very out of date card that Moe is using. It's the only one he ever got. And he has no other credit card to charge to later.

Once his Players Club card is maxed out, he will have nothing else. Yeah, I also just love the gag. I love that it feels like a commercial for a Players Club card for a second. He's like, Players Club, yes club yes sir he's very impressed yeah i would say like renee they wanted to make her seem very nice and innocent and sweet but i feel like she should be questioning these things like look at mo's business look at how crappy it is look at his income he can't afford these things you should step in and say like stop buying me things. Like, I refuse this thing you're giving me. I mean, he still is a business owner.

Yeah. True, true. Yeah, I think. We should see, like, lies from Mo that mislead her into thinking he has more money than he does. Because he's clearly, like, buying things on credit in front of her. Yeah, you know, there's a later scene that at least sets up that she doesn't want these nice things. Yeah. But otherwise, she just seems to

accept that like mo good for it she doesn't think that he's going deep into debt to do all these nice things for him oh yeah i would think after the fifth or sixth date where it was clear that well i have never been on dates with a woman there's there's weird heteronormative bullshit about who pays for what in that but i would think by the fifth date where your date spent clearly hundreds to thousands of dollars on you, you'd know what's up and you would at least say like, you don't have to spend all this money on me

or how about I take care of the next meal or something like that. I think Mo though has it all in his head that if he stops spending a dollar on her, she will leave him. And so he just won't, he won't believe otherwise, even if Renee were to say it.

Have any of you ever felt like you have to keep spoiling your partner or else he'll leave you? Oh, no. I can't say that here. Just asking. No, you know, I think me, me and my husband, we have kind of an equal thing. I mean, honestly, he spoiled me more than I've spoiled him on gifts. But we try to, we get each other very nice gifts. I've never, though, felt, yeah, no, I've never felt on gifts, but we try to, we get each other very nice gifts. I've never though felt, yeah,

no, I've never felt afraid that if I stop getting, eventually you get, you settle into a nice, easy groove and you just, you know, you feel like money. You can just like,

hey, I got this this time. You get it next time. That's my feeling. But again, I've never been in a heterosexual relationship. So there's different expectations on those. If you're in a hetero relationship,

you decide who pays with an arm wrestling match. And I always lose. Well, I do kickbox. That's true. That's true. No, you're very tough. Don't hurt me. I might have felt that way when I was younger, but now I have more confidence.

Well, Mo is a very old school guy, too. So maybe that's also why he feels like I have to buy everything for the woman. I don't know. If I were in a relationship where the guy kept buying things for me i would be concerned to be like are you sure you can keep affording this yeah it would almost make me think he's just bad with his money which is a turnoff yeah that's uh if you're thinking of a long-term relationship you're thinking like boy this guy's not good with money yeah exactly it's like what if you uh you know start living together or you get married then you think like or is he gonna spend my like our money yeah yeah

or also the uh you'd know ahead of time if they were rich enough to afford fancy dinners like five times in a month you know it's it's one thing to have like a fancy dinner like for anniversary or on off like that but a giant want meal like that all the time that's crazy yeah i think also that much attention can be alienating and you could be setting up an expectation the other person feels they have to reciprocate in some way. Like, Moe did this for me. What do I have to do for Moe now? Yeah.

I mean, that is why, in the old school sense of men in the 50s, they spend a lot of money on a date to, like, just an implicit pressure of, I spent all this money on you, so what are you going to give me? That kind of feeling, you know? I don't know if Moe and Renee consummated the relationship. I have to assume so. I feel like she's never seen his place. Yeah. Boy, that's true. He might be too ashamed to show her how he lives.

But would she ever let him in her apartment? I don't know. Maybe she lives in a nicer place. Maybe, but I just mean trust-wise. I don't know. I wonder how long they've been dating for in the timeline of this.

I think at least a couple weeks. But yeah, you know, on the consummation thing, later she thinks he's gay, which I would wonder if they haven't had sex, that might inform

her guess more. Though I suppose she could have had sex with him and he would have been so bad at it she would think he's gay perhaps you can read it both ways yeah speaking of that scene though she asks if he's married so maybe she has never seen his place that's what a secretly married man would do he wouldn't invite you over to his place that's true i or maybe he just lives at the bar

and she at this point in the show he was looking to sell that shack uh earlier in realty bites that's right oh yeah i also i mean i'm glad they have this scene though of marge asking the question the entire audience had of like why what's going on it's pretty bold of her to ask right in front of them well she doesn't think mo is a person she hates mo she can't stand him she's probably on that date yeah mo got over his crush oh yeah his crush on midge yeah i also yeah i love that homer is like marge i think he's more like don't remind her she shouldn't be with him she'll leave right now my line the episode is marge's read on ah because she also dated out of pity she did date homer that's true that's true she can identify with renee they have a lot of common and now she's stuck with homer she's uh yeah i also i like too

that mo is honestly not offended at all and finds it very touching she's dating him out of city out of a storybook the one attractive thing about mo in this episode i don't like that he's spending so much money but you would fear he would be an abusive partner, but instead he is like overly pampering her. He seems like he's a very, he's too nice, really. He's not like mean. He's mean to every other human who's alive, but is not mean to her at all. And he pushes down his murderous feelings. Yeah. I think that's really where all his sweat's coming from. You can hear him sweating. I can hear the sweat.

Just being, he can't go to movies because he'd murder people all around him. It's a public safety problem. I can identify with him on that. Me too. I don't like going to the theater. Eh, come on. Laughter's fun. You all are laughing at this.

I love being in a theater laughing harder for jokes that I got that I know other people didn't. But yeah, so Moe is spending, spending, spending until he hits a wall. Yeah, I want to send a two dozen roses. And I want to put something nice on the card. Like, Renee, my treasure. Shut up or I'll ram a stool down your throat. No, no, no. I don't want that on the card.

Well, let me hear how it sounds. Nah, nah, take it out, take it out. And charge it to my players, Club Claude. Maxed out. Look, I really need these flowers, okay? I got a real tenuous hold on my girlfriend here. Hello? Hello?

Hello? Well, that's it. It's all over. Renee ain't gonna want to hang around with no Joe Pinchpenny. Oh, come on, Moe. Think of all you have to offer besides money. Hmm. I need cash and lots of it. Um, all right, everybody, I'm calling in your bar tabs. You bunch of ungrateful ingrates, you... So that bunch of ungrateful ingrates thing So that bunch of ungrateful ingrates thing,

that's when you see his missing tooth. Just for one scene in this episode, Moe's brief missing tooth. I always find it to be distracting. It was, but I just like how it's mainly featured in the family feedback episode. That's the only time you ever see it and then it's just gone forever.

It's there forever, rather. I love on the commentary on that one where they're having live, Bill and Josh are having a fight with, I think... What is with his tooth i think jim reardon or one of the animals archer who was the uh he was stumping for the missing tooth he's like it's in his original character design yeah which like wes archer would know he was there like he he's like look there it is the missing tooth but doesn't mean they can't hate that missing tooth i like it it's a little treasure that's kind of a cute twist on the classic prank phone call

gag with Moe. Oh, right. Instead, he's yelling at Barney on the other end and then rejecting the prank phone call at him. I also like that Barney is laughing at Moe's love. He's like, ah. That's a great laugh. Great mocking laugh.

And the way Barney throws himself out the window, really good animation there. Meanwhile, you have the extremeness of that and then the subtlety of Homer trying to sneak away before he has to pay his part to him either. So as I mentioned, I used to work at a flower shop. I will say the majority of guys who would buy flowers there were guys who were apologizing to their partner

or they were sending a bouquet to their mistress. Wow. Because I worked in a rich part of town. The card should say, she meant nothing to me. Or you mean more than my wife. One of those two. Wife schmike. My husband and I were laughing about that flower thing.

Like, we're also not a buying flowers for each other type couple. So we all went to Conan O'Brien onine's yeah and darren jokes to me about how on another valentine's day episode of conan he went to a flower shop in la for jokes and stuff and it was like conan's gonna deliver some flowers and he was there and i believe the celebrity was mark mcgrath had they're like oh see mark m McGrath has some flowers here. It's a giant bouquet, like gigantic. And then Conan's like,

he must have fucked up bad for this thing, this big a bouquet. Like, oh my God. I assume Nina doesn't like flowers. I like flowers.

Oh, wow. I like flowers, Bob. You're getting the biggest set of flowers you've ever seen. Actually,

when you guys did the sketch fest thing, I, you did, you sent, I think he was sending flowers to you guys, but then I thought, what would you guys do the Sketchfest thing. Oh, yes. You did. You sent. I was thinking of sending flowers to you guys. But then I thought, what would you guys do with flowers? You know, especially when you're about to do a live show.

For our January Sketchfest, Nina sent us macarons and champagne. A bottle of champagne, yeah. But not a magnum that Mo buys. A magnum is a double thing of champagne. Really? That's what a magnum is. It's the equivalent of two bottles so extra fancy by mass i like that yeah but no those were delicious uh we all enjoyed the wonderful

treats nina sent us yeah since i worked at a flower shop i now like sending people flowers like it is very pricey but it's a nice gesture i think like if someone loses some of their life i'll send a bouquet or something they They may wilt on the way to Canada. They're going to get potpourri in the mail. But it is hard to send flowers to people who don't drive. Because then you also have to take it home with you on transit. Oh, yes. I guess you guys have Uber and Lyft.

Yeah, we handled it okay. We don't have health care, but we have a ride share. Yeah. You know, I never bought flowers. When I've gotten stuff from my mom, that's the only person I think I'd else get flowers for. I got her instead, you know, the chocolate dip strawberries from a company I won't name because we don't have ads with them. But they're advertised on a lot of podcasts. You can guess what I'm talking about.

And she loves those. That's why I've gone more with things that can be eaten over over flowers this feels like a very guy thing to say but i flowers to me i was like yeah you gotta watch him die like it just it uh they never feel special i don't know i was never into flowers i'm sorry i'm sorry i mean downer about flowers uh just gonna be lonely and ugly and dead sorry i still i can't shake the darkness of Mo here. Yeah, so I also think the mixture of love and money is a perfect recipe for film noir as well. So it's a really great entry into the film noir flavor of really just the second well, the third act to it kind of all

works as a film noir, not not a double indemnity parody so much because again phyllis in double indemnity she is intentionally misleading tons of people in her life so she can murder all of them and get all of the money yeah that's true and the postman only rings twice the man who kills the husband uh she's not the woman is not as evil in that in that short story they're both very short stories by the way read both of them they're like seminal works of crime fiction. Okay, I gotta read that. You know, I've only seen the movies of both of those. They're pretty accurate to the source material, the books. And also, Double Indemnity is similar to the next from the same director, William Wilder,

of Sunset Boulevard. Yeah. Both Double Indemnity, the film, and Sunset Boulevard are framed by a dying or dead man telling you the story in flashback of what happened. In the case of Hollywood Boulevard, he's already dead. Yes, yeah. And it's his ghost telling you the story. It's a man. Great movie.

William Holden floating upside down in that. It's one of my all-time favorites. Norman Desmond, one of the greatest ever also mo's car realty bites again set up the mo is a real gearhead but he has a piece of shit car maybe he knows a lot about cars but can't afford one there are guys like that they know a lot about a certain thing but they can't you know afford like how many losers watch top gear and can't afford to buy like more than like a basic honda yeah that's true. A basic Honda is all I want. A basic Honda is not a loser car,

but don't aspire to have the top gear cars. And yeah, I think that when I see a piece of shit car, I think of the Adam Sandler classic piece of shit car, which I think really dates me as remembering that song. That was one of his lesser songs for me. Well, that whole album is great. The Farting Therapist, the song about sex in the shower with a shampoo bottle. All the greats.

But yes, Homer notices the car and we get our next plot point. Homer, what am I going to do? Renee's my last chance for true love. If you really need money, you could sell a kidney. Or maybe even your car. Nah, my car ain't worth nothing, but it is insured for five grand. Homer, I need your help. You gotta steal this car and wreck it for me. Steal? Oh no, you got the wrong guy. You dropped something. Come on, Homer, I'm

one of your dearest friends. When everybody said you were too drunk to drive that time, who gave you your keys? You did, but I still don't know. I can just imagine what Marge would say. Homer, I insist you steal that car. I'll do it. I love that act break. That's so great.

I insist you steal that car. And she has her nagging finger wagging Two in there And in the commentary they pointed out How it's a nice pink feminine thought It is yeah And that convinces him He's just like I'll do it

God that's great Yeah it's the only reason Homer would do Such a crazy thing And the insurance thing that's the murder And here it's just murdering a car Yeah and it's thing that is that's the murder in in here it's just murdering a car yeah and it's also by train yes oh yeah a train is involved that's right or should have been involved and uh yeah mo has quite a plan i i really love the um the lighting in this scene like it's a really good like scheming shadowy lighting on the characters there and

also they were recording the same room. Oh, yeah. They recorded this dialogue. Between fights. No, no, Hank and Dan were. Oh, okay. Not Hank and Helen. No, they were very separate. No, Hank and Dan have really good chemistry together.

Just like, you know, the chemistry of Hank and Helen does come through in Renee and Mo, I think. I think they do seem, uh, they, they do seem to legitimately love each other in the, in those moments there. I,

uh, but yes, here's, here's the scheming. This model car represents my car. Huh? And this olive is you now. Hey,

Hey, that's great. Now the car is going to have to represent you. And, this little toy man will represent the car. All right, forget it, forget it. Listen up here. Tomorrow night at 8, you go down to the waterfront and you steal my car. What about the cops? That's the beauty part. Every cop in town's going to be on the police department's Moonlight Charity Cruise, and I'm going to be right there with them.

So as soon as you get back, we steal the car, right? No, no, wrong. Listen, while I'm on the boat with the perfect alibi, you steal my car and park it on the railroad tracks. Then when a 1015 train comes along, wham! Insurance company pays off 5,000 clams. I keep showing Rene the sweet life. You're a genius, Mo.

All your troubles will soon be over for a couple of months. Homer gets nothing out of this, right? Absolutely nothing. It's just guilt. I was thinking Mo could hire Jimmy the Scumbag, but he'd probably want money or beer or a panda. Or just use it as future blackmail to get more things out of

Mo. Homer will forget that he did this, so he can't blackmail Mo. Well, I mean, they'll both both forget they both have extensive brain damage yeah i do love whenever homer and mo are scheming together they make a really good pair yeah it must be fun to write for them too yeah and also it definitely feels like a very uh improv-y moment of him going right no no no like that that felt very natural and yeah homer eating himself and going me and the just the silliness of the man yeah the car is you and this figure of a man will be the car when you really care about someone you shout it from the mountaintops so on behalf of desjardins insurance i'm standing 20 000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you.

We care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part. Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care. Care. Did I mention that we care? It seems very unsafe for them to put every cop on a cruise. Though then again, this was basically not exactly.

But this was a plot point in the Dark Knight Rises movie. Oh my God, you're right. Every cop went underground and they all got pulled away. So there's one policeman in all of Gotham. That movie sucks. I love that, yeah. Just for plot purposes, like we know Bane is here in the underground.

Every single police officer in the entirety of Gotham, underground right now. Like everybody has to do things they couldn't possibly do. And then incredibly elaborate plans have to work exactly correct. And the only bridge out of Gotham crumbles. The only bridge out of town.

I made that up, but I assume it happens. It's been 12 years since I've seen the movie. Wait, eight years. They have a blockade. No, they blow up every bridge. They blow up every bridge out of town. I could only see it once in the theaters. I've watched clips of my favorite scenes, but otherwise it's not good.

I liked that movie when I first saw it. I've only seen it once. It was in theater, but I enjoyed it. Maybe if I saw it again. I think it movie when I first saw it. I've only seen it once. It was in theater, but I enjoyed it. Maybe if I saw it again. I think it really should have been two movies. The problem was when he gets his back broken, they should have just ended it and been like, let's do a fourth one. We weren't doing that yet, though, so

I feel like maybe in a year or two, we would have been doing that. Same problem that Spider-Man 3 suffered. Oh, yeah, yeah. They have too many ideas. It's just big on bloat, and you're like, we gotta get every hero. Though, I think Dark Knight Rises is way better than Spider-Man 3. I also liked Spider-Man 3, so maybe you shouldn't listen to me.

Get her off the show. Cut her mic, Henry. You should get on our new weekly Spider-Man podcast. Let's do that. It's actually happening. Oh God. That's a lie. Our podcasts are turning into Spider-Man podcasts. Actually, I guess by

the time this comes out, people will have already listened to the thing we haven't recorded yet of Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse. I'm already prepping

Bob for that. I will have enjoyed it. I just bought the art book of it to get extra prepared for it. They look forward to

a three and a half hour long Spider-Man podcast. Bob, you're going to like it. Not to get off on a tangent, but I showed Bob Spider-Man 1. Oh, that's right. The Sam Raimi one last night.

I've never seen that before. What are your feelings on that 17-year-old movie? My review is movie enjoyed by all. That speaks for itself. I did like it. Okay, good, good. You're getting him ready He'd never watch Spider-Man if I won

I know The scheming is happening The family is eating a real Simpsons goop dinner Yeah Lisa's eating the same thing as them So it can't have meat in it right Or Marge maybe made the same thing but meat free Meat free mush and Homerson is like burglar Halloween costume. I love that.

It's so funny. And just the clock on the wall that was never there before. He's just constantly glancing at. His awkwardness here as he establishes his alibi, as does Moe in this clip. Why all the black? Why all the pearls? Why all the hair?

Why anything? You look a little nervous, Dad. No, you look a little nervous, Lisa. You're up to something, aren't you? No, I'm just going out to commit certain deeds. Certain deeds. Suckers. Thank you. Welcome, folks. Have fun. Drink responsibly to wear a mile out.

Excuse me there, officer. You see my car there? With the rubber hippie daisy? Space 7A? Yeah, what about it? I was just thinking what a good parking job I did with it. Yeah, that is nice. Hey, Lo. Lo, check out that park job

in 7A. That's sweet. That also dates Mo. This is the last time he was able to buy a car oh yes i want to ask about that actually yeah the rubber hippie daisy is that like a 70s thing yeah just like any sort of like funky freaky decal just like a funky like like those little feet stickers you could put on things yeah it was very much of the era but it was never just like one giant daisy on the hood was it wasn't it more on the side i think you could yeah i think putting it on the hood is extra standout but it's definitely uh it was never just like one giant daisy on the hood, was it? Wasn't it more on the side? I think you could. Yeah, I think putting it on the hood is extra standout, but it's definitely, it was a thing

in the 70s. Yeah, I never got one of those. You know, I didn't really decorate my car at all. I think I put a bumper sticker once on it, but yeah, I think I maybe put a Kerry Gore. No, wait. Kerry, who is his running mate? Edwards. Oh, God.

Yeah, so I think I put a Kerry Edwards bumper sticker on my thing, which was real gutsy then, which now it's like, God, what a loser. You've got one Frankenstein loser. This is Henry Gilbert reporting for duty. And then you have a sexual harassing monster in Edwards. Quite a Democratic ticket thing

that was. So no raccoon tails in the antenna for you? No, no. Not to bring it back to Spider-Man again, but I did get an antenna dealy bobber of a Spider-Man head, but I never figured out how to put it on my antenna without fucking up my antenna. They should sell Guardians of the Galaxy,

Rocket Raccoon, Raccoon Tails. Nobody has antennas anymore. They're all internal in your car. I miss having the ugly antennas sticking out of cars. I remember seeing a lot of jack in the box jack heads

oh yeah the jack heads yeah oh that's right yeah I looked up like why the raccoon tail on the antenna became a thing and apparently it was

a thing in the country where they would take roadkill like roadkill tails and like display it proudly on their antenna gross and they started

selling fake ones in the 50s and then it became a fad for like a decade and then it just kind of died out. I like that. That's cute.

That definitely also dates the designers on the show, too, that they put that on his car. That's true. I've never actually seen that before. I haven't either. In a while, though. I grew up with seeing a lot of Garfield in the window. Oh, man. We all did.

All I wanted was my parents wouldn't get a Garfield. My dad felt it was tacky. How dare he? He was right. And I get it. He wouldn't want to drive around get a Garfield. My dad felt it was tacky. How dare he? He was right. And I don't, I get it. He wouldn't want to drive around with a Garfield, but, you know, hey, make your kids happy. Weren't those a mistake, the Garfield suction cup thingies, where they didn't intend to design them with suction cups, but they came back that way and they became a hit? Yes, I heard.

Yeah, I mentioned the stories on our, the full stories on our Garfield Halloween special. What a cartoon. All right. Yes. They did a comic strip where Garfield was hanging from like yeah exactly i was hanging from curtains with his claws they wanted to be curtains like that could grip but instead they gave him suction cups in the prototype and as jim davis said he stuck it on a window i was like if that's there in the morning we'll make this then and it was and history was made i i know in the 20 in the two in the aughts truck nuts were the the thing oh we saw some the other day so they're still around some cool sports cars silver car nuts yeah my car's a

man damn it yeah and there's also like car eyelashes oh yeah yeah if you have car nuts on the back you need a car dick on the front. Well, shouldn't the car dick be above the nuts then? No, I want them to come out. There's like a giant dick in the front of your car. I assume they'd be offended by that, but not the nuts. Sure. Just a giant rubber dildo flopping around in front of them while they drive.

So I guess the current way to decorate your car is to put those stupid stick people oh the stick people family i like the edgy stick people where they're like ghosts or devils or something no i like the one where it's just like one person and then a pile of money yeah oh that's uh i uh that's replaced calvin now i used to be old i never see calvin's anymore yeah i think it's out of. It's out of vogue. It's out of vogue. It would sadden me for the longest time

that Calvin of Calvin and Hobbes enduring legacy was a urinating child onto like a logo or terrorism or whatever. He never peed in the comic. Never. That was a copy of him

filling a water balloon like looking like sneering behind his back and then they made like a little pee stream coming out the front of him, and they turned it into a decal. Why? What's worse, that one or the Calvin praying one?

Oh, praying. Don't put that on Calvin. He wouldn't pray, 100%. He would piss on something before he'd pray for something. I think that was a wholesale new drawing. They're like, this peeing character is fairly popular. What if he prayed to God? I love Homer's exit line as suckers that's

very funny to me too he thinks he fooled all of them that's that's my favorite bit there uh and yes so homer it saves the car from being stolen to then steal the car which i i do love that and he then he can't he's right and this is the first time i noticed he is right in front of the train tracks when he turns a shitty uh drive-in theater if the train passes that close to it actually that's really i didn't think of that as being such a terrible drive-in theater though at a drive-in theater the speakers do not come from the screen they come from a speaker box or you tune it into a radio station i've i've only went to one drive-thru theater the radio the speakers didn't

work and we left about 30 minutes into Hot Shots Part 2. You missed out. That train would still be distracting, though. But I think Scully and his crew really tapped into how dangerous chimps were before the rest of us were. We thought they were friendly. We thought they smoked cigars,

they used roller skates, they had adventures. No, they just tear faces off. This is actually the second Talking Simpsons episode I've done that features ape on human violence. Oh, that's right. And I talked about my distrust of apes in that one. Well, we all knew

baboons were evil, but chimps, that was a surprise. I don't trust chimps at all. They're scary. Well, unfortunately I don't think you're going to be here for the friendly monkey episode of the girly edition with old Mojo in it. I think you're going to miss out on that. But he's not a chimp, right?

He's just a monkey? No, I mean, it's a similar area. He's a friend style monkey. I would choose a monkey over a chimp. If I had to pick one, sure. Well, this feels like a 70s throwback seeing a movie starring an ape, but around when this came out, it actually

was a resurgent in ape movies was it like ed there was ed and dunstan's checking in checks in and uh there was one other uh most extreme primate oh yeah later i think i was like 99 or something yeah what's the name of it most extreme primate most extreme oh oh oh mxp okay yeah that's how i know the movie boy i totally forgot that film i but yeah they were they were back in vogue though what homer's watching is totally supposed to be a 70s b movie starring an ape not a not a recent movie wait who was in ed again matt leblanc yes back to friends i bet hank wanted that role too he goes after all the matt leblanc roles uh though, actually, I forgot to mention. Hank also was considering auditioning for the role of Michael Scott in The Office.

That would have been different too. Yeah, I think they wouldn't have gone for it. I think he was too... I think he's too good at impressions. Yeah. Though then again, they had a Helen Hunt situation there too, where they hired a guy who then became a giant movie star right when the show started and they're like well but we have you for seven years you can't go like and he had to do movies at the same time i think uh but yeah 10 years later in 2008

wide load games the developer who was a collective of dudes who actually worked on halo they made a party game called hail to the chimp. That was a political Mario party, basically. And nobody else probably remembers this. No one hailed to the chimp. But when that came out and I was working in the games press, I was like, Simpsons, right? Simpsons? Everyone just shrugged.

Yes. This was in a pre-Frinkiac world. It was harder to prove that joke was in the show. Now it's easier than ever. You kids today, you live in a lucky worldfrinkiac world it was harder to prove that joke was in the show and now it's easier than ever you kids today you live in a lucky world of how easy it is to prove a simpsons reference or to make one i didn't catch it in the first viewing it was only on the commentary where i noted it that they pointed out that the homer in the drive-in is posed like a very famous photo by oh winston link if you just search that on google'll see. Yeah, and there is a train going right by a drive-in.

That sucks. Oh, wow. There's two people. It's called Hotshot Eastbound. Wow. Maybe that's why they thought of the train. Okay, where did the train and the drive-in together, did they just get lucky with that drawing

and the train in there? Maybe that was just like, oh, they just put the two things together in their head. Like, you can go to the drive-in and the train could pass by. We could reference that, too. Like, it's so weird. Like, who knows what came first?

But I didn't even know this until now. I just looked at the picture. So, yeah, O. Winston Lincoln. Just type drive-in O. Winston Lincoln. You'll see it. There's a train going by a drive-in. That's a terrible drive-in, I got to say, once again. Ask your money-back people in the 50s.

And the drive-in movie is showing a flaming plane. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. Right, yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. Right. Yeah. That's why Air Force One is in fire in that shot. I mean, let's be honest.

Those people went to the drive-in to have sex. They're not watching the movie. Yes. Yeah, that's true. In the 50s, where else were you going to do it? You got to get away. You got to get away from that family. Finally escape the front porch and into your private sex room.

I've never seen this photo before. Me neither. Yeah, neither. Same here. As Homer is enjoying his film instead of destroying the car, Moe is a little nervous. Moe, you seem awfully distracted tonight.

And you're sweating a lot, even for you. Am I? I hadn't noticed. Isn't it a beautiful moon tonight? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll look up at you in one minute the train you hear that that's the train huh isn't that the most beautiful sound you ever heard it's almost as sweet as your voice i love how bad his awesome after she compliments his voice. It's kind of a sweet moment.

There's no joke there. Yeah, yeah. I guess the joke just is no one could call his voice sweet because it's horrible. Yeah, and a train whistle is not sweet. It's very harsh. Yes, yeah. But I can't imagine dancing so closely with someone that sweaty. That seems very uncomfortable.

Good sweat Foley, once again. Yeah, and speaking of someone who kickboxes, I will say it sucks fighting with someone who's very, very sweaty. It's smelly, and when you try to grapple them, they're very slippery, and it's hard to get a hold of them. It's a natural defense system. It really is. It works, because when you're that stinky,

it kind of catches your opponent off guard. But does that get you more excited to throw knees because you're like you smell so bad i gotta get i don't want to touch them that was a strategy in dragon ball bacterion bacterion fighter uh and what's that what's the thing called where you put your fingers together to punch okay yeah yeah what i know about moita is from watching original uh the original years of UFC. Those are some of my favorite guys. Wanderlei Silva, he was such a fun guy.

Scary, scary man. Not fun, actually. And guys definitely get way sweatier than girls for some reason. I don't know. Again, these are these heteronormative things. I do not understand these. But yeah, so Homer is loving Hail to the Chimps so much he falls asleep. He then decides he's going to try to destroy the train by – he almost makes it which, had he succeeded, he would have been run over by a train.

That's what he was willing to sacrifice for Mo. Yeah, for Mo. His own life. I just love, too, the gag of like you hear the train, but he looks like, where is it? Oh, it's over there. Like just a great visual gag. Dominic Pulcino and his team did a great great job and so homer needs to find another way to destroy that car oh i gotta find another way to wreck mo's car oh honey this whole evening was so wonderful except when the drunken cops started firing at those seagulls.

Ah, get him off! Yeah, yeah, the plan went off without a hitch. What plan? The what? The wonderful evening plan. Hey, Mo, isn't that your car up there with the rubber hippie Daisy? The one that was parked in 7A? Hey, hey, what's it doing there? We're supposed to be on the railroad tracks.

No, I mean the parking lot. Homer, you moron. Homer, you genius. Geronimo! Love that guy. I love him rolling back into the car. So yeah, he jumps out, then he rolls back into it because a rock pushes him back in.

It's so well-timed and laid out. Yeah, yeah. Did you listen to the commentary? They named the layout artist for that one who did a lot of work on the show. It was Ishvan Mayors. Oh, he comes up a lot in commentaries. They said he came in from a freelance capacity,

which totally seems like such a difficult thing to lay out and plan. That's something you would see in a script and be like, how do we do this? It's easy to type out those words on your script there, Ron Hauge, but somebody's got to draw this. We actually watched this episode together in Vancouver for Simpsons Trivia. Oh, yeah. And you might have heard of our last trivia trials Where we came in very very close to last Probably last

The first time we did it together But this time we tied for first There was a tiebreaker that we lost But I will say Even though we lost the tiebreaker We got the same prize as the first place people Bunch of donuts Yeah six donuts

Yummy Actually the tiebreaking The tiebreaker question was Mo related Yeah it was what all the people Moe would ask for in the prank calls. Yeah. Like, my crotch and my butt reeks. Oh, it's named the most of them? Yeah.

Okay, wow. Yeah, like, you go back and forth until the one person couldn't do it anymore. Oh, man. I kind of blanked out on a bunch of them. Yeah, me too. When you're under the pressure, plus you're late into a night of, like, your stamina's out there. And you've been drinking a lot. Yeah, me too. When you're under the pressure, plus you're late into a night of like your stamina is out there. And you've been drinking a lot. Yeah, that too.

I was always the lightest drinker on my trivia teams. But though I never went to a dedicated specific trivia night of something. I always went to just bar trivia nights. And it was basically like, you take all of the sports things. I'll take all the movie and cartoon things. And then we'll meet in the middle on music and both agree we haven't listened to new music in 20 years.

It was called Woohoo Trivia. Yeah, Woohoo Trivia Simpsons Trivia Vancouver. It's like a franchise, but I recommend it. And did you guys catch that it looks like Kirk Van Houten is on a date with Edna there oh no

I was about to bring that up actually because at first Edna and Skinner are dancing on the boat and then after the train scene Edna is leaving with Kirk and he has a police hat on

hmm I wonder if there's a deleted scene there or something I feel like it's just a cute visual touch the artist added to tell a little bit

of a story there I choose to think that Kirk is impersonating a police officer to get women. He would do that. 100%. I've been on the force. I sleep in a police car. I like that Seagull gets revenge

on that guy. That's a funny, very random joke of the Seagull attacking the cop. Homer saying Homer, you genius. And also that how obvious the car is, like the flowers right there. Everybody knows it's his car. And not just the rollback into it, but also like the deep trench in that Homer falls three times. He falls in the air, falls in the water once, and then falls in the water more.

It's a nice callback to his previous falls. Well, I mean, first, like the car goes in the water, then then falls in the water more. It's a nice callback to his previous falls. It keeps us. Yeah. Well, I mean, first, like, the car goes in the water, then it surfaces briefly, and then it falls. And then it falls two more times, which is so good. Yeah. And then it really does seem kind of, like, Homer is very lucky to not die in this because

he's really deep underwater. Yeah. I looked up how long it takes for a car to fill up with water and it's one or two minutes. It's pretty fast. Apparently you're supposed to break a window and get the hell out of there as fast as possible. The most common mistake people make is they stay put because they think, oh, if I open

the door, the water will come in faster. But no, it just creates a greater pressure. You can't open the door or window anymore. You're supposed to get out of there. Wow, alright. That's good to know. I did not know that. In case you ever find yourself somewhere underwater in a car, that's what you got to do. I would only be doing that to destroy Bob's car for insurance money.

And I hope he'd do the same for me. Sure, buddy. Bob has a car? No. Well, first you got to buy a car. Not officially. And yes, as Homer surfaces uh he gets arrested and uh there's some cute homer arrest moments here this is easily his fourth time being arrested on the

show i think huh that car thief can't hold his breath forever and if you can chief then god help Can, Chief. Then God help us all. Isn't that your friend Homer? Oh, oh. Homer. Oh, how could you? You're under arrest, Simpson, for grand theft auto. Now put up your hands. Brilliant, brilliant

Okay, let's do another But this time, try to look scarier Kind of like Gorgeous, gorgeous, baby That's it, that's it Your fingerprints are just like snowflakes They're both very pretty I love it

That's a cute line Both very pretty On the commentary They were wondering If this was Homer's first time Getting a mugshot Oh that's crazy

They think that I mean Can't be Can you think of Any other time He got a mugshot I have one right now This was the first one

That came to mind I think he has others though But when he is arrested For shooting Mr. Burns They do not take His mugshot there But They

When Smithers calls For people to hunt him down, he holds up an old mugshot of Homer with his Hague and 88 shirt. With a black eye, right? Yes. So Homer at the very least had that mugshot. But that wasn't shown on the episode, like him getting the mugshot taken.

Oh, getting it? I guess not, no. But a mugshot did exist before this. But I think- Characters we've seen are like Krusty and Marge, I remember at least. Yes, yeah. Oh, yeah. On the commentary, they do bring up that for ads they did like the couch gag on part two of Who Shot Mr. Burns is all of them having their mugshot taken.

Yeah, that doesn't count though. Couch gags aren't canon. All right. So then this is the first time Homer has had his monk shot taken, though previous monk shots had existed. To answer Matt Groening's question. Which is surprising. Yeah, I am surprised they didn't go. I mean, Homer's been arrested many times.

When Bart reads Homer's rap sheet later in the season, it honestly sounds too few times Homer was arrested. Though there's a changed line in there that I know about, thanks to closed captioning at the time, that I'll save for that episode. So wait for this little wiggy for a fun secret of a deleted line, folks, that Henry has access to. I'm looking forward to it.

And Homer got arrested for Grand Theft Auto way before it was a cool video game. That's true. Although, yeah, I guess it was a video game in 98, but no one cared about it. Yeah, it was. He was playing it. Nobody. He was playing that. That's a top 10. British people I guess it was a video game in 98, but no one cared about it. Yeah, it was. Who was playing it? Nobody. Who was playing that?

That's a top 10 one. British people. Yeah, the one only for Brit. Of course it has a dumb viewpoint. It's a British game. Boo. Boo. I'm anti-British video games.

You just had to work for the Limeys. I am tired of Britos, thanks to that. No, I love all of our British listeners. Please, please. I love you. Thank you so much. I don't know. I've always wanted to try that first version of Grand Theft Auto.

It wasn't bad. I mean, I played it. It wasn't as easily playable as 3 and the rest. And I played throwbacks to it, too, like Retro City Rampage. Yeah, yeah. They're fun. They're fun. But that viewpoint, just, I don't like it.

It's not for the speed at which you play it. I don't like it it's uh it not for the speed at which you play it like it just it did i i don't like the rhythm of it in uh in a top-down perspective i don't love a lot of top-down perspective games and really even sim city the first one yeah like sim city okay you're not really controlling anything though yeah i guess real time i mean technically i suppose the original final fantasies are the all the pre-polygon final fantasies are top-down games what about legend of zelda of course legend of zelda i like those those are the all the pre-polygon final fantasies are top-down games what about legend of course legend of zelda i like those those are the exceptions approve the rule the fingerprints are like snowflakes that's a very funny line i like that a lot i also know the pacing on this

episode this is another one of the scully years that feels weird of like that's the commercial homer's arrest is the commercial i thought it was going to be like the act break the sound it goes to like and then black yeah that's supposed to be the like the act break. The sound, it goes to like, and then black. Yeah. That's supposed to be the joke. But then it just comes back and they, I guess they instead decided it was a better tension on Hawaii than Homer being arrested. Yeah, yeah.

Now it's a natural for commercial breaks, which is what Fox wants from them. I never liked that. It really hurts the show. You need three acts. But yes, Homer is now in jail and his family is very understanding about it. I do love him telling Marge not to worry her pretty blue head about it. Bart gives him a carton of smokes. Nobody thinks it's weird that Bart has access to a giant carton of cigarettes.

Maybe he still had some leftover from Fat Tony when he was holding them in his room. I bet you. And then also, though, shouldn't that have all been stolen by the people at the end of Miracle on Evergreen Terrace? Ah, you're right. Guess what? That doesn't count. It doesn't count.

Nothing can exist in their house if that's the case. That's a non-canonical episode, too. We're getting to a lot of non-canonical ones. So cigarettes aren't the most sought after currency in prisons anymore. Oh, really? Yeah. Can you guess what it is now?

Cocaine? Drug? Heroin. Is it a legal street substance? It's legal. I guess you can call it a now. Cocaine? Drug? Heroin. Is it a legal street substance? It's legal. I guess you can call it a substance. Okay. Toilet wine.

I mean, cigarettes are banned in prison, but this stuff is not. Is it internet access? No, it's instant noodles. Oh, I've heard about this. Yeah. It's the most sold item at prison concerts. You can make a shiv out of it.

It was depicted in Orange is the New Black, too. That's right. Which abhors a bunch of ramen. i remember that yeah the uh you know oranges the new black brought up the thing a lot of people don't realize about how horrible prison is it's just like it's not a bunch of free food like you you gotta spend a lot extra money to get actual good food or better food in prison like otherwise it's shit like that's uh that's That's the prison industrial complex for you folks. Apparently, ramen is sold for about $0.35 at the prison commissaries, and it can be sold to other inmates for $2 to $3,

which is a lot of money. Yeah, wow. I'm liking this. I need to get in on this. So Bart should have brought him some ramen. I guess in the 90s, guys were still smoking. I'm sure they were, yeah. And then Homer strangles him, and Bart calls for the guard. I like, they're in their classic strangle pose

and then Bart has to like yell for the guard while in it. By being strangled. Yeah. I like that the threat is like not death row, but exercise. That's really great. Yeah. It's less dark that way. And the interrogation chair.

Though, as we know, people at a local jail can be executed in springfield from this point there are no questions homer then convinces mo to spend the five thousand dollars on bailing him out instead of on his uh paying off his credit card but mo has quite a choice to make instead is everything okay honey your shirt is so dry yeah yeah'm okay. There's just something I gotta do. Oh, look at that. Hawaii. Oh, that looks so romantic. Well, if Hawaii's what my baby wants, Hawaii's what my baby gets.

Oh, no, that's too expensive. Let's just get a can of poi and eat it in the tub. No, no, no. We're going for the real thing. First class all the way. Come on. We can leave tonight. Ten minutes till fresh air and exercise.

Hurry up, Moe. For the love of God, hurry up. Hawaii, here we come. Ananakuli, Makawani, Aniona, Nanaluluwa, Hawaii. Hawaii? What about Hawaii? Moe, who's going to Hawaii? Am I going to Hawaii? Stop saying Hawaii in there.

Someone who had to build a lot of those giant standees at GameStop, it's very well observed just where the little motorized things are and how they work. I was admiring that as well. It could be from the back. It looks very realistic and well observed. Oh, that's great. Yeah, man. You know, the closest I had to do that, I had to build some movie

theater standees, but they didn't have half the parts that those things have. I salute you, Bob, and your retail craftsmanship. Most of it would be like, oh, the eyes light up or whatever, but they were still pretty cool. I do like how Renee's not really asking to go to Hawaii in this.

She's not even slightly asking. I'm very glad they had this scene to make it clear. She doesn't want this. She's like, no, we can have a cheap... There could have even been more want this she's like no we can have a cheap she's suggest i'm there there could have even been more scenes where she's like let's just do something cheap mo we don't have to do this is like no no no we gotta it's it is showing that mo's self-doubt and self-loathing makes him think he has to spend this much money yeah this is yeah he even ups the

ante by saying first class all the way. Yeah, it's right. He didn't ask for that. None of it's what she asked. She just thought something was a neat standee, or you could just say like, yeah, let's go to Hawaii some other time. Also, she could have just said like, well, I can't just leave tomorrow. That's not like I have a job, Mo. I can't just do that.

Those flowers won't sell themselves. Maybe that actually actually that flower shop might have flexible hours and seems like it's just a stand she runs herself self-employed that sucks on your taxes renee don't uh don't get me started this is recorded on april lament of the self-employed thank you for your money by the way everybody yes you make it make it stop saying hawaii in there One of the greatest exit lines ever. Have either of you been? No, I haven't.

No, I want to go. Let's go to Hawaii right now. Let's go to Hawaii. First class all the way. Well, let's stop right here then. No, we're going to be in some poi. We'll go to Japan first. Well, yeah, so what's Hawaii like?

Well, I've only been to Maui, which is like one of many islands you can go to. Only Maui. Only Maui.ui no it was really awesome i went there for a family wedding i was there for a week and uh yeah it's like always the perfect weather for me like not too hot not too cold it's very uh windy but like a nice uh pleasant breeze like i love wind uh it's a weird thing to say i love wind i just do i love that likes wind you should visit visit Chicago more often then. It's all that. It's a different kind of wind.

That's political wind. Yeah, it's so beautiful there. I would love to go back to Hawaii and go to a different island, like maybe a bigger one. Because Maui's pretty small. I wouldn't mind going to Honolulu or something. I've heard, yeah, I've only heard great things from every person. I could

not have been more jealous of a co-worker who got to go on the one Hawaii video game trip that came up. That was back when Capcom did stuff in destination cities, and this was Captivate Hawaii. And that person would go on to work for Capcom, so I guess it paid off for that. Wait, what did they do there? They saw video games and wrote previews for them. You needed to be in Hawaii to write those previews. Capcom was one of the last that was just like, oh, we're going to spend $1,000 per person to fly them to...

They did Rome. They did Hawaii. They did France. They did Osaka. And then once it would have been my turn, they're like, cutting back this year, we're just going to do it at our San Francisco office. It's like, you bastards.

You got to pay for bus fare. Yeah. I only got one free Japan trip ever. That was the only foreign country I ever got to. Only one free Japan trip. Yeah, I know. Only one for me. But I did get to get in.

I got to see a game developer in Tokyo and one in Osaka. And I got to ride the bullet train for the first time. That was nice. I got to fly to London as my only international trip for 36 hours where I got the sickest I've ever been in my life afterwards for a little game called RuneScape. You ever heard of it? It's real good. It's about 20 years old and it looks like

shit. I know Hawaii gets a lot of both American and Japanese tourism too, doesn't it? It's a big hot spot for that. Oh, definitely. I mean, it's in between Japan and the States. Yeah, you can even go there and get around just speaking Japanese. It shows what a friendly city it is too.

So I'm super into Terrace House on Netflix. I've heard that's a great show. It is. There's a whole season where they're in Hawaii, and that made me want to go back there even more. I can visit some of the places they show it off in there. We can visit the house.

We can walk on the terrace. You are selling me on this Hawaii tour. Do you walk under a terrace or in it? Or on top of it? What is a terrace? I think a terrace is something above you.

You're looking at me. You should know these things. It sounds like you're asking me a philosophical question. What is a terrace? What is a terrace? You've got to build a terrace house in your heart, bob okay is that what the moral of the show is yes sure there is a story i drew for bongo comics once it's all about mo competing with ned's bar and in order to get more business he there's one scene where he dresses up his tavern as coco mo's

and it's all dressed up Hawaiian style. That's cute. So that was kind of fun to draw. And also I drew a little homage to Jerk City in that panel. Oh, that's cool. One of the characters from Jerk City as a little tiki guy outside. Oh, wow. What issue of comics was this? Do you recall?

I can't remember, but it was a story called... You Walk on a Taurus. Drinker Bowler Failure Pie. I don't know. It was a story called you walk on a drink drinker bowler failure pot i don't know it's like a parody of tinker toller say taylor soldier spy i can never remember that what you don't actually talk about your comics and mo wasn't one of the last comics you drew for bongo was the mo comics yeah the last story i ever penciled for bongo was for most is like mighty most is like number one mo and bardney's Excellent Adventure. That's time traveling. I didn't have to draw Moe's bar very much, thank God. I think I complained

about this in a previous appearance. All the things you need to draw inside of the bar. Yeah, so even when I was watching this episode, it was giving me flashbacks of when I had to draw the interior of Moe's bar. There's like booths and a pool table and the love tester and the stools. There's so many little things. All the little shot glasses behind all the bottles and all the little lines everywhere.

And the kind of like Tiffany lamp over the pool thing too. Yeah. So many little details that no one would care about. Yeah. Not anyone would notice if they were gone. You feel that way. But it's cool to walk around the Fake Moe's bar and see all those things there. Like even the TV where it's supposed to be. And you can eat off the pool table there though because it's it's cool to walk around the fake mose bar and see all those things there like even the tv where it's supposed to be uh and the and you can eat off the pool table there though because

it's covered in glass you can't play pool there so you can oh and uh yeah both of the universals yeah in the universal springfield yeah i better go there before they like shut it down potentially well uh you got time you'll have at least a year warning on that i they are disney characters now though so if it does feel like a clock is ticking on that but uh we can uh i'm sure we'll all make another la trip together for sure uh but yes anyway so homer gets fucked over by mo he's gonna leave him for hawaii and uh in homer homer's not ghost appears forget it Simpson. You're going to the chair. The interrogation chair. Plug it in, boys.

Ukulele? Pineapples? Beach pistol? Scandalously revealing thong? Going somewhere. What? What? Homer!

No! You killed me! No, no, you ain't dead. You're just in jail. Oh, right. Wait a second! I'm in jail because of you! When you really care about someone,

you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part. Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care. Did I mention that we care? So that Moe, what? That's from

Homer's Barbershop Quartet, right? That's where it started. Yes, that's the first one. And then it was featured in like the Love Tester, Grandpa the Love Tester. Right before the music starts. A stock sitcom character line. Then it just became his catchphrase for a while. Right before the music starts. A stock sitcom character line. Then it just became his catchphrase for a while. It's just so funny.

What? His face is shocked. Yeah. What? The joke is that Mo is a bad actor in this show. Yeah. That's what I love about it. Homer is a ghost, and then he's reminded he's not dead.

He's like, oh, yeah. And he still tries to steal beer. And he still speaks like a ghost. Yes. You, oh, yeah. And he still tries to steal beer. And he still speaks like a ghost. Yeah, like, ooh, ooh, exactly. And the beach pistol is funny, but the one that gave me the biggest laugh was that he's bringing pineapples to Hawaii. Oh, yeah, yeah.

You would buy them there. You don't bring better pineapples. That idea is very silly to me. There's free pineapples everywhere in Hawaii. So packing pineapples, which also take up a ton of space, you would not go to all the trouble to move them. That's what I mean,

that he thinks he needs a thing like a beach pistol, or even in pre 9-11, you can't fly with a gun, like unless you're a cop. Like, so he's going to pack a gun, like you're in a lot of trouble. Can't even bring on anything vaguely gun shaped. Yeah.

Remember when someone was trying to go through security wearing these crazy shoes, these high-heeled shoes with like... Oh, like guns. The heels were shaped like guns. Oh, wow. No, I hadn't seen that. And they couldn't get through. They took away my super scope. I, you know, I heard...

And that woman was Bayonetta. Aw, they wouldn't let her fly. Well, the... Anyway, Homer the Ghost tries to steal his beer after he hears from the ghost he decides it's time to come clean to renee oh how could i treat a friend that way exactly exactly hey get your mouth off of that. You're yelling at me, Momo?

Huh? No. No, no, no. It's just that, um... Renee, there's something I gotta tell you. Oh, no. You're gay, aren't you? Oh, boy, Renee, you sure can pick them. Nah, it ain't that. What, so you're married? No, no. Hey, why did you say gay first?

I like that joke and we explored earlier why she would have said gay first there's multiple reasons it's for the audience to guess but I wonder too I did wonder too if that was the do people guess gay first with Hank Azaria and that's like the internal joke that he

comes off well i mean he did possibly gay the most character the most famous character he played was a just very flamboyant gay like kind of pool boyish stereotype yes yeah agador the famous famous agador yeah that probably was the yeah he i would in 1995 i would have assumed he was gay for being in that movie like Gay and foreign. Yes, yeah. You're wrong on both counts. I mean, he's like an Italian Jew or something. He explained his whole background on his Marc Maron WTF, how he is Jewish, but also from like,

Azaria is more of an Italian name. It's an interesting entomology on it. He no uses his accent no more. And yeah, I'll say, I just love her reaction to, why'd you guess K first? I do feel like this indicates how secretive Mo has been in their relationship. He probably hides a lot of things from her.

Yeah, definitely her reaction in the next scene tells you, she's like, oh, I didn't know you at all. That's why she dumps Mo, not because she's mad he even put Homer in prison and was gonna let him rot there but i'm just like you've been lying to me the entire time i've known you like that yeah she was i mean we'll get to it but she's okay with homer being in prison as long as mo tries to make up for it she's like you're doing the right thing mo so she's kind of like i don't know she's kind of weird um perhaps she's being overly understanding with a yeah a person

who just revealed he's secretly a criminal to your face. Like, you're just like, if I'm nice to him, if he's planning to kill me to cover his evidence, he won't do it. Well, this is a problem with her because she's such a gnawing character. Her personality kind of changes, like, depending on what the scene needs. Yeah, that's true. It's just an over, I mean, an overly understanding woman to Monstrous Man is just, it's a very sitcom-y trope then anyway.

That is Marge. Yes. We've already got one of those. She has more of a personality. But unlike Marge, Renee does have a line. So like a coward, I let Homer take the rap for the whole scam. And now the only way to clear him is to turn myself in. I don't know what to say.

I'm shocked. I mean, you broke the law and betrayed a friend. Yeah, you're right. You shouldn't be wasting your time with a lowlife like me. Oh, Mo, don't say that. You made a mistake,

but at least you're trying to set things straight. Yeah, that's true. That's true, baby. It'll be hell being locked away from you, but I guess I gotta take my medicine. Unless... Unless I send a letter to the police

clearing Homer. Yeah? Then we go to the graveyard and steal two corpses. Oh, my God. We switch clothes with him and leave him in the bar. Then we pour some brandy around. Like so. Yeah, would you hand me my keys? Uh, yeah, here you go. Then we light a match and woof, we start a new life in Hawaii. Goodbye, Moe. Where you going, baby? You going to find the corpses? Yes, Moe, I'm going to find corpses. uh what you want me to come with renee dearest oh she ain't coming back

so that's her leaving the series yes yeah i when she asked for her keys i guess she was asking for her apartment keys maybe oh yeah yeah that's right i thought like i always thought it was her car keys like maybe he was borrowing her car he doesn't have one anymore but it could work for that too but yeah i think you're right on apartment keys like she they were serious enough that she gave him her apartment keys and now she's like oh that was a mistake taking those back mo so she did appear as a background character in the simpsons movie and she makes two other everybody did to be fair but she also is in two episodes from 2010 obvi uh weirdly enough and one episode is called to surveil with love And that episode was the one

that made me furious because it's changed The Simpsons opening to be TikTok. Oh, that's the one. I didn't watch that episode. I've just seen the opening. I've calmed down a bit on that now.

I've not heard about this. Why would you have Lisa sing that song? And also, that was the first time they altered the opening ever. It's just like, why for that song? For that song?

It got them a lot of publicity. It did. It went viral. The first of, of i mean one of several stunts but also apparently cameo in an episode called judge me tender i don't know if she is referenced or just in the background or something but she's only listed as being in three other things we'll keep an eye out for her in those episodes and also in the book uh the book of moe did you do any illustrations for the moe book no not that one okay what does she do in there i'm sure it's just the book of Moe, did you do any illustrations for the Moe book? No, not that one. Okay. What does she do in there? I'm sure it's just like one of Moe's many girlfriends maybe on a page or something like that.

You know, fill a page. Is she in Tapped Out? Can you get her in Tapped Out? Oh, I'm sure she's in Tapped Out. Everyone. I mean, they resurrect Frank Grimes in Tapped Out. Renee's got to be in there. I imagine she was going to throw into the stock of background characters.

Yeah. Yeah. I figured they used her more intentionally, though, because she would appear more on the wiki, I think, if she did appear in the background more often. Yeah, it seems with at least a little intentionality, or at least when they're like, we need an attractive woman in the background, something like that. I wonder, too, if maybe Hank Azaria didn't want to do this one because it ends with Helen Hunt leaving him and him saying she's not coming back. That might also make it hard for him to return to this episode, I would think. But I do wish he was on it. And now, I mean, this presage is like in two years,

that would be Hank Azaria saying she's not coming back. And I think too, you know, safety here, guys. If you're going to burn down something, don't fully act out the burning down of it with the lit match and the brandy. He's a method actor. You can mime it without the brandy. And also just he's so excited, like, and then, like, oh, like, he didn't mean to light the match. He just was so acting heavy with it. Like, he's so excited.

And he came up with it. And then he so quickly goes to corpses. It implies that he has dug up corpses before to fake death. He knows where to find them. And I do love Renee's very real, oh, God. This is who you are. I'm getting out of here. I like that acting, at least.

It's why she doesn't get to stay on a sitcom, because she's not insane. And sitcom characters get to stick around because they're insane. She's not willing to go on a caper yes yeah i know like she only leaves because you gotta you know set thing reset things yeah mo can't have a date and reach you she's not like that woman in the love matted grandpa yes i can't believe you did these things for me that's so sweet little angel yeah you monstrous sweet she just stops it monstrous

and yeah the once that door closes that that did make me sad even in my first feeling. Like, that's it, Mo. That's the last woman you'll ever have because you're a monster. I am glad that she leaves him because of who he is and not what he looks like. Yeah, yeah. She's not shallow. Because he's so insecure about his looks yeah it's when she saw what an ugly person he is inside that's when she decided to go which uh if someone wants you

to help them steal corpses that's you don't be in that relationship anymore that's uh that is a uh deal breaker gotta cancel our plans tonight nina well if this is a modern episode maybe she'd go on uh our relationships first oh yeah yeah this would be a post on there yeah it's great my my date wants me to steal corpses should i still stay with him why slash n yeah i i love that i love when it's the woman posting it she's like my boyfriend m22 says that we should steal corpses together am Am I being selfish that he thinks I shouldn't? Is this weird? Is this weird? Am I wrong here?

Like just the woman taking so much of the blame in their posts, those always give me a laugh. It's such a depressing subreddit, but I can't look away. Yeah, it's true. I just follow a Twitter that tweets out the best ones. I don't visit the subreddit too much. But also it's like i don't

want to know they're not true if some of that's also part of it i want them to be real it's uh it's like with wrestling it's just like look let me just believe let me just believe here uh so unlike the unrealistic christmas fire in miracle on evergreen terrace this actually does burn a lot it has smoke everywhere uh homer escapes meanwhile by in a very funny uh visual gag of bashing hans mole man in the head with a book of how to tunnel out of prison i love that gag and uh homer still has fun as he's going there writing the book cart down must kill moe uh and now and homer makes it there and he confronts moe in a deadly moment. I love this non-clever little quip he has. You!

Homer, thank God. You gotta help me here. I'll help you. Help you die! I got you. You're going down, pal! Oh, boy. oh boy oh i really want to sleep it's a fun joke on what would be a cool action scene that you've seen so many action scenes take place in a place that's on fire with fire everywhere where really people would just pass

out from smoke inhalation instantly or like after a few seconds the first punch and then that's really i i like that comment on that and also yeah the homer help you to die not clever at all just very very funny and funny. And just his one swing, it is a good action pose of Homer with the fiery look in his hand. Yeah, that's really cool. I love how after Barney saves the booze and then them,

when Barney passes out, Moe immediately gets up and starts talking to Homer again like nothing happened. Yeah, that's true. Also that Barney, very helpfully for edits, pushes the beer cases out of the way out of the way so if they want to clip out that scene it's fine they're safe i like that too

i i love the double fake out on it that first you think it's them and it's just barrels of beer and then okay he's got him the second time it's like okay he did but he did grab two cases of beer also yeah they hug over barney's unconscious body too that's what he said barney is dead okay so this ending here also is another you know he talked about a miracle on evergreen terrace and in others this is a scully thing too if they write themselves into a corner and they're like look if we end it you just assume it got rebuilt yeah everything's fineer is fine breaking out of jail yep neither has a criminal record they have to deal with none of that they just got to end it right there but really this leaves a ton of unresolved issues that you're just not supposed

to think about i did like homer's comment about he can't stay mad at mo he gets him drunk so the last one we recorded was the joy of sect and uh homer values marge as the bringer of beer so it's like the people that bring homer beer are the most important ones in his life like an alcoholic you relate everything to the liquor that uh and who provides it or where where they stand in relation to that liquor whenever they do these endings where they're like oh let's not think about all the loose ends they like to end on a song yeah yeah that just makes you forget like oh what a fun song exactly it helps distract it more just like but what about oh i love this song but i do love this song at the end on yes well yeah why don't we talk before we play the the ending clip let's talk about that song it's uh the george thurgood

cover of a cover the 1966 john lee hooker song one bourbon one shot one beer which was a cover of the 1953 amos milburn original so that's how far back it goes. And on top of that, though, George, with permission from bluesman John Lee Hooker, he incorporated bits from the Hooker's other song, another of his songs, House Rant Boogie into that song, making for an epic over eight minute long tune. That's as Bob has noted, it's a little rambling, but it's it's a real fun bar. I mean, it's just it's a bar it's it's a real fun bar i mean it's just it's a bar song like it's a bar anthem not even a bar song i enjoy the rambling and the little story that comes with the song i'm not a fan it's like the preamble to a recipe online that's true i hate

that too uh so we talked about how brick house is a great comedy and an unintentional comedy song george thurgood also wrote bad to the bone which is like how many silly like that was in like every third episode of married with children like when al bunny got revenge on someone and a million trailers that start with bad and then it's really like garfield or something we call like problem child was bad to the bone too i wonder how much money he's made off that song has to be a million millions million i mean just that riff that riff is all you need to everybody like hey i know this character is bad to the bone or they are the opposite of that and this is a comical juxtaposition you know the the bass riff to uh one bourbon one scotch one beer is pretty close to the riff to bad to

the bone it's's sped up. You're ripping. Get some new riffs here, George. It's no Rock and Roll Christmas, which is his next single after Bad to the Bone. Bad to the Bone could have used a preamble, too. It's nice to know the episode begins and ends with Marge being victimized. She gets really fucked over again in this. And it was also years later that I understood this balloons joke.

Oh, right. The condom machine. You didn't know about condoms when you were 15? Come on, Henry. I was an innocent child. Well, look, I knew what condoms were, though. I was in an abstinence-only school, so they didn't teach us about them. But the concept of a machine that you could buy them from in a bar's bathroom, that I was unaware of. A friend and myself, when we were maybe like 11 or 12,

we knew about a restaurant slash bar that had a condom machine in it. So I sent my friend in there and we just bought condoms to see what condoms were from the condom machine in the bathroom. Those weren't getting any use anytime soon. No, no, no. But they were inflated.

Wait, how old were you? Like 11, 12. Okay. Yeah. And they didn't show you in school what condoms were? Oh, no. Oh, wow. This is, in our King of the Hill square peg, we talked about how like in my school, it

was absence only. Like a teacher, if a teacher even mentioned what a condom was, you could be fired. Like for real. That's messed up. This is our country. This is how it is in America. It's like they- You have to learn about condoms in bars as a child not in school the i believe the way of thinking is is if you teach these kids how to have

safe sex then they're going to break god's law and have sex but if you don't teach them about safe sex then they won't have sex that is that is the assumption instead they have unsafe sex and way more unplanned pregnancies like that's but uh the assumption is if you were to teach them about if you teach kids about condom use then you're telling them to fuck like that's basically it so when you first found out what a condom was were you confused uh no i mean television taught me i learned from tv so i i mean i got it conceptually but it would have helped to have learned more all the specifics instead of having to like infer things from many different jokes in movies.

I should have, I think it was the film Booty Call that taught me most specifically. That was all about getting a condom for said booty call? For the titular booty call. Yeah, and also saran wrap for the opposite. Yeah. And whatever. Look, this is getting too scatty.

I'm sorry. The only thing I know about Booty Call is the cover image. Oh, yeah. The two O's form the booty. Oh, this is getting too scatty. I'm sorry. The only thing I know about booty call is the cover image. The two O's form the booty. Oh, wow. Very clever. Hooters did it better with the two O's being breasts. In that movie, Tommy Davidson, you see his butt, too. We were talking about movies where you see guys' butts.

For some reason, I forget why, he goes to the hospital, and without him wanting to, they shave his pubes, and he shows it wanting to they shave his uh pubes and he he shows it off to uh to his dates in that movie uh yes that movie's a real hootie call uh let's let's let's hear the end here oh homer i've been the world's biggest rat can you ever forgive me oh i could never stay mad at you, Mo. After all, you get me drunk. My poor bar.

It's all gone. Oh, Mo, Mo, Mo. Try those beady little eyes. Your buddy Homer will get you back on your feet. Well, I ain't seen my baby since I don't know when those beady little eyes. Your buddy Homer will get you back on your feet. Oh, another bear down here. Coming right up. Hey, there's a balloon machine in the bathroom.

Kids, from now on, I don't want you touching anything in our house. Darts! Woo-hoo! Yeah! Nice shot, Homer. Homer throws that right at her.

Like, there's no way around that. I don't think they should have dart boards in bars ever. No, I think it's dangerous, yeah. They should have virtual darts and virtual pool. I don't like dart boards either. It's not like we have a, I guess we have an American dart scene, but in England they take it really seriously. Here, who cares?

Do they still call them darts in England, or is there another name for those? I know, and it's not snooker. I call them pointy birds. I only know this because I had to make video game pages in the database at my first website for all the darts games made for we that were only sold in europe of like with pictures of real dart stars on it who they're rentwick staff myers pro dots 2016 i hearing lenny there reminded

me like wow well lenny's not at this bar he's not in any of the bar scenes until this last scene here. Same with Carl. They both graduated to bar fly by this point, but it's really just the regular bar flies who we see in there. And also when Mo calls in the tabs of everybody, there's some very random dudes in the background. Yeah. This reminds me a lot of an upcoming episode in a few years. Homer the Moe written by Dana Gould about like the private quote-unquote bar his parents the hunters club or whatever it was called yeah yeah i'm looking forward to that one his parents was his dad ran it yeah they're still alive as of this

recording unbelievable he was just telling stories about them on his podcast last episode you know midway through the episode homer calls mo his his best friend. I was thinking, is Moe his best friend? The person he talks to the most. In the first four seasons, I would have said Barney. I would have said it was Barney. Now, not so much. You don't see them interact much at all at this point. And he doesn't know if Lenny or Carl is the black guy.

So it wouldn't be Lenny. Maybe Moe is his best friend. It's not the guy who calls him Bill. I guess, yeah, you know what? By now now it has to be mo then i think uh barney barney just fell down you know maybe it was also when he got sober homer's like he can't hang out with him anymore fun anymore barney fun yeah so i just noticed that mo cries over his bar but not over renee at all oh yeah he doesn't bring her up that's true he just knew he was gonna lose her i think those tears are for both things i think too he says his bar but he could mean renee as well it could he could be hiding his feelings on that but his i love that homer calls those beady

little eyes that's very cute and yeah fun a fun ending but i just boy i wish they hadn't fit in one last homer being cruel to march like we haven't seen Marge in a while. Let's be mean to her. Yeah. When the joke already is that she's being incredibly put out by having her home turn into a bar, too. Hope Moe is sharing those profits. I bet he's not. I don't think so. Kids can't touch anything in the house now.

I wonder if he's storing his pandas in the garage now, too, for this. And how long in-universe, how long did this last before they rebuilt Mos Bauer? Because that fire either completely, I mean, that fire probably kept going until it completely burned down, or it needs to be knocked down and rebuilt anyway. I'm worried about King Toots. Is it okay? And it blows

air conditioner place, too. They're all in trouble. Maybe the air conditioning place blew the fire out. That's what happened. I like it. Yeah, okay. That was a fun episode. I liked it, yeah. Even with the real Hollywood gossip involved in it, too.

I'm glad Nina got through the recording without crying too much about Hank and Helen. She was a major part of that community. I was not broken up about their breaking up. Alt.marriages.hank.azaria.helen.huntz. Actually, I remember when I ran the hank azaria website i also had a petition to make an alt dot fan dot hank azaria oh it never happened oh i think the president needs to sign off on that making a new news group it is kind of sad how they dated for a long time and then when they finally got married they divorced within a year yeah i wonder what

happened you had a you had a good point about this you know when we were talking about it that when a couple is married and then divorces really quick the marriage is usually like the last ditch solution to their relationship problems they think like oh we have to do this to save the marriage or maybe one of them says like okay we either got to get married or we have to end this yeah that's like a taking account of your relationship thing well also like she i think he could sense they were probably, this is all inference here, but perhaps he sensed they were growing apart career wise. And he's like, no, we could get married. Let's just do this. Like, and I think that the Oscar was the end.

I do think it's a joke in Hollywood of like when one actor and an actor couple gets an oscar they kind of drift apart or they're not in stuff anymore like one gets more famous like brad pitt left jennifer aniston for angelina jolie who is a more famous person a lady you know like it's not uh and i i wonder if that was helen hunt too she's like you know and i'm too big for this now or i'm actually um when i was looking up information about their relationship again online there was an article showing a bunch of female oscar winners who thanked their then partners in their speech who are now broken up with uh i knew yeah i think for guys it might be extra hard i think it's a dumb guy thing because i've known guys that are like angry when their girlfriends are succeeding more than them i never got it it's like no that's that's good for you

like you're part of this she's making more money than you come on you take it easy buddy and i'm sure hank's career was helped by the fact that he was connected to helen yeah yeah yeah i mean it probably it might have hurt him too that he was like oh i'm just famous for her tv show i'm on her show i don't know it's and i mean also he didn't really get i mean, he's making good money when this episode airs, but they didn't get their big up in pay, I think, until season 10 when they all struck together. That's when he got rich. So maybe he was also just feeling like money wise. He's like not in multiple of those interviews. He's like, look, I'm sad about this, but I'm also very famous.

These aren't real problems. He doesn't act like he's the greatest victim in the world for for these things but let's not gossip too much about couples people yes no especially me yeah keep your stupid comments in your pocket everybody mo is a funny character and i like that he got a big focus in this one i wish renee was written a little better but again i for me i'm counting my blessings that they weren't crueler to a female character in this era of the show i still think they could have done something more with her they just played it way too safe i counted seven uh outfit changes for mo by the way so the disco outfit the park date where they're just holding hands the inline skating outfit the aquarium wetsuit the gilded truffle

outfit uh the boat cruise outfit and the the jail visit. Oh, the suspenders one. Yeah, I like that one. It's very Moe-like. I wonder if you ever wore that again. Who knows? These seven different model sheets that you can slip in the Moe package. I'm really having fun with Moe in this episode. You know, I bet I've sometimes been tempted to wear suspenders

regularly. I'm like, you know what? These look like they do the job. They're better than belts. Just don't wear a bow tie. I won't. I will give you swirly. But thanks for listening, folks. It's been Talking Simpsons. I hope you enjoyed the show. Nina, you're a special guest.

Where can we find you? What can we buy that you've made? You do a lot of stuff. Yes, I do video game merchandise for Fangamer. So just go to Fangamer.com. You can find a bunch of stuff I designed there by going to artists and collections. Go to Space Coyote, click on that. You'll find everything I've designed for them.

You can also see my art on spacecoyote.com and you can find me on Twitter at Space Coyote. That's Space Coyote with an L at the end instead of an E. That's tons of fun art there. And you have fun tweets all the time. I really loved your recent, very insightful one about calling anime and manga Japanese animation and Japanese comics.

Oh yes, that's my latest viral tweet. You're going viral again. I've not read any of the comments on that. Don't do it. I have. I had a feeling it would incite some heated discussion about that. So I was like, I'm not going to look. I'm just going to state my opinion

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So much, we owe you so much, Nina. And your book, Sparks. Everybody should check that out too. Especially, it's a scholastic, I believe is the publisher. It's out there. Yeah, Sparks,

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That's H-E-N-E-R-E-Y-G. Thanks again, everybody, and we will see you next week for the episode Lisa the Simpson. Down the streets I go. She hollering about the front rent. She'll be lucky to get in the back rent. She ain't going to get none of it. So I stop in a local bar, you know, people.

I go to the bar. I read my coat. I call the bartender. I say, look, man, man Come down here You got down there So what you want? One bourbon One scotch One beer

Well I ain't seen my baby since I don't know when I've been drinking bourbon whiskey Scotch and gin Gonna get high man I'm gonna get loose I don't know when I've been drinking bourbon whiskey. Scotch and gin. Gonna get high, man. I'm gonna get loose. Need me a triple shot of that juice. Gonna get drunk.

Don't you have no fear? I want one bourbon, one scotch, one beer. One bourbon, one scotch, one beer But I'm sitting out At the bar I'm getting drunk I'm feeling mellow I'm drinking bourbon I'm drinking scotch I'm drinking bourbon I'm drinking scotch I'm drinking beer

Look down the bar Look at the bartender Does he look mad? Come down here So what you want? I want bourbon I want scotch I want beer So what you want? One bourbon, one stock, one beer No, I ain't seen my baby since the night before last

Gotta get a drink, man, I'm gonna get gassed Gonna get high, man, I ain't had enough Leave me a triple shot of that stuff Gonna get drunk, won't you listen right here One, one bourbon, one shot, one beer One bourbon, one shot, one beer I know it looks bad, but all I can tell you is I destroyed that car for all the right reasons. I'd like to believe you.

That's my girl. You just go home and don't worry your pretty blue head about it. Mo will take care of everything. Well, Dad, in the meantime, here's a carton of smokes you can use to buy stuff. Oh, thanks, boy. I'll give you two packs for that candy bar. Three. Why, you little...

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