Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Half Decent Proposal With Jason Sheridan

Episode Date: August 17, 2022

As one of Simpsons season 2 characters returns, we also happily welcome back Podcast: The Ride's Jason Sheridan! As Homer's snoring is out of control, this brings Artie Ziff back into Marge's life for an extended parody of Indecent Proposal. And just as we're done talking about that, they parody several films from the '70s leading to a fiery finale, so check all that out on your way to Mount Carlmore on this week's podcast! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the new official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking simpsons head there to check out exclusive podcasts like talking Futurama talking of the hill the what a cartoon movie podcast and tons more I hardly endorse this event or product product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, where we prefer our deaths quick and pointless. I'm your host, the hobo obituary editor, Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who is here with me today in the same room

as always. Hey, it's Henry Gilbert, and I also enjoy sex. And who do we have on the line? Our special guest. Oh, hi, it's Jason Sheridan from Podcast Arise. And this week's episode is Half Decent Proposal. Oh, Jar Jar, everyone hates you but me. This week's episode originally aired on February 10th 10th 2002 and as always henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history oh my god oh boy bobby the winter

olympics in salt lake city have begun rudy giuliani gets an honorary knighthood from queen elizabeth and big Liar is released in theaters and it's only known to hardcore theme park enthusiasts because it is forever a part of the universal Hollywood tram tour really yeah you don't remember Bob when oh look it's just a normal uh old style Mexican town what's that water's coming through. Oh no! Splash, splash. So that set piece was from Big Fat Liar or they used it in Big Fat Liar? I believe it was used in Big Fat Liar.

I refer though to our podcast the right expert here though, if he recalls. I think it was just used in Big Fat Liar because they kind of like chase Paul Giamatti chases Frankie Munez and Amanda Bynes. Is that right?

That sounds right. Okay. And he may be blue. He's blue. He chases them through the universal backlot. And that was one of the like practical effects that I think has been on the studio tour for quite a while. Yeah, it's funny.

I've written the tram tour, I think three times now. And every time I see it, quite a while. Yeah, it's funny. I've written the Tramp Tour, I think, three times now, and every time I see it, I'm like, wow, look at that. It's the clip from Big Fat Liar. I've been waiting to see it every single time. Yeah, Giamatti's most famous, you know, the thing he's most known for, clearly. Oh, yeah. He could have been in Amazing Spider-Man 3, right?

If only, if only. I mean, he still, he'll always be the Rh right if only if only yeah i mean he still he'll always be the rhino even if he should be pissed he was not invited to uh no way home though you know all the other actors got invited him but i my theory on that is it would have made it officially six villains instead of five and uh clearly sony is holding back their Sinister Six for some later event because of, as we all saw, the post-credits scene in Morbius where Vulture and Morbius meet up. And they're like, hey, I think we should team up and get this guy named Spider-Man. So Sony's building to a Sinister Six film, Avengers style. And the Salt Lake City Olympics, didn't Mitt Romney have something to do with this?

It was like a boon. He saved it. He saved it from financial ruin, is what I always heard. I feel like it was way over budget or the money was not allocated right. And I think that's what he used to propel himself to a larger political career.

The biggest thing I read on the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics, other than like it was i remember at the time it was famous this is every olympics but certainly people my mom was talking at the time like oh the salt lake city people they just bribed everybody in the olympic committee to to get it there but it also is apparently the first one where they officially tested for doping oh like it's the the Olympics where they tested for that. They also tested for caffeine because it was Salt Lake City. And yes, before anyone comments, he was president and CEO of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee.

So there you have it. Wow, man. And yeah, the Rudy Giuliani honorary knighthood thing, that was several 9-11 heroes. They were invited to the Buckingham Palace and given honorary knighthoods, which is why you don't call him Sir Giuliani because an honorary knighthood does not come with the name.

You don't call the person sir. It's like an honorary PhD. You can't just go teach with that, right? Yes, yeah. This went back in the news last year because do you guys recall Rudyy giuliani's kind of drunken rambling speech of the 20th anniversary of 9-11 event thing uh he's had so many drunken rambling speeches that they all kind of run together for me well in this one he says i

turned down a knighthood from queen elizabeth she and then he imitates her voice and i was just like no i i have to give up my american citizenship to be a knight and i was like no that's bullshit and you did and he accepted the knighthood like he but he does make a quick joke about he's like and you know prince andrew was there and i don't know nothing about that he said now why would you even bring that up like why would you even mention that now Now, before anyone asks. Yeah. I only met Prince Andrew to ask how to get away from Prince Andrew. Yes.

We went to a normal island. But so that's what happened in 2002 when this Simpsons episode aired. And you heard him up front. Joining us today is Jason Sheridan of Podcast The Ride. Jason last joined us for, I believe, Treehouse of Horror 10 in July of 2020, a very spooky month indeed. Welcome back to the show, Jason. Thank you so much.

Yeah, great episode. Pretty good later post-season, like nine or 10 Simpsons episode. It did coin the phrase, a wizard did it. Yeah, yeah. A classic in online discourse. And one, yeah, Jason, me and Bob, we're saying this before the recording, but seriously, you guys on Podcast the Ride have been on a real roll lately, especially since you launched a new tier to your Patreon for truly premium content. Yeah, we added an $8 tier with ad-free free feed episodes and an additional episode a month that people get to vote on

out of four or five topics. I have to go do something tomorrow, I think, for the first one of those. I've been putting it off, and it's coming time for the recording, so I have to go far from my house to go do something, but it should be fun. If there was a hundred dollar tier just for mcgruff episodes i would join it i'm just throwing that out there oh thanks yeah i always show that mike has not had a good night's sleep since i met him in 2009 so i think a few more music projects is really what he needs to get him that good REM sleep.

Yeah. The people demand it. At least I do. You know, I'd go to a $50 tier of just one episode every three months where you all talk in the Mickey voice. Oh, that too. Yeah. You all have wonderful Mickey voices that are distinct from each other too. Yeah. Oh, thanks.

Yeah. I think it's become a thing. Not a thing we like purposely like, oh, it's a theme park podcast, we should do this. It's just like combing back through like old TV specials and then really like lost media. Like there's one greeny copy on YouTube and you're like, what did they have Mickey say?

Which of the 10 Mickey like actor, which of the like, you know, the guys that don't do the A-list stuff, did they have say this it wasn't a top tier wayne allwine it was some uh like lesser man some understudy if you will yeah and i don't even think like a lot of them are really good like do it really good but it's very clearly like hey could you come in and do this tomorrow you know this has to air in a week wayne's not gonna say i use the den yes wayne's i'm glad your your uh twitter finally posted that clip so i can show it to people

oh yes yeah i i use the den is kind of infamous but our more recent one we've been obsessed with is the uh okay you asked for it right which is justin it's such a violent freight it's such a violent like old timey goon thing for mickey to say it's surrounded by his you know gar armed guards who are going to do this for him yeah yeah one you know jason too last time you shared a very fun paulie shore story i'm curious you know in in your Hollywood exploits, have you ever run into John Lovitz, the big guest star of this episode? No, I've never run into Lovitz,

but I have for many years done a mental exercise where I think about like, what, like, you know, we all like to post our little jokes and hot takes on Twitter. And I often wonder like what snl cast members could i just dump on and face no professional repercussions and i i don't think i don't think love it's is even in the top 10 like i i loved to love it as a kid he still bubbles up and like supporting actor kind of stuff and i think it's fun to see him that but then every now and then he'll show up on a radio show or a podcast

complaining about millennials or cancel culture and it's like oh god but it's like i don't think i'd face any professional repercussions for like shitting on victoria jackson or rob schneider like it's like they're so they're so far like, they're so far out there. They're so deep in the woods, you know? Well, at this point in history, so the dot-com bubble popped. The Lovett's bubble also popped because he really ruled the 90s. I mean, he was on SNL in the 80s. His real breakout role in movies was not Mom and Dad Save the World, which he left SNL

to make, but A League of Their Own, a bit part he left snl to make but a league of their own a bit part not a bit part but a smaller role that got him a lot more roles that got him the critic which he didn't like doing he thought that would be a live action show he didn't know what he was signing up for now that's all he wants to do all he wants is to do the critic yeah it's uh and like i think his last movie before this was like maybe rat race yeah yeah that was his last big well when i looked at his filmography on wikipedia i was like wow he hasn't actually like been in a movie in like 18 years like not a real movie like bench warmers which is hardly a real movie that was like the last time he was in a movie and that was that was really just a

favor from david spade i feel like he's in benchwarmers too breaking balls which sounds like a direct to 2b movie or something like that hey hey let's not besmirch the fine name of 2b okay you know that's directed dvd yeah i don't besides benchwarmers but i i can barely i can kind of picture the movie poster but a lot of the other ones it's like yeah rat race very solid the critic i'm shocked we haven't gotten a critic reboot yet you know they they've talked about it and they pretty much have to admit that like one film criticism doesn't work like this anymore so jay sherman can't do that and two other than john lovitz most of their cast is dead for the original series which which really hampers and also uh co-creator aljean has been busy on another show for uh what 20 22 years 23 something like that and also a co-show creator mike race is done with like show running yeah so uh like i i imagine that's maybe it will come back in some

point like a special or something like john levitz needs this in his career i think he needs this in his life but yeah we are past the bubble uh the Lovitz bubble of the 90s it's just like yeah Charles Napier dead Christine Cavanaugh dead uh Doris Crowe dead like the three all of his supporting cast uh Park overall still alive you know yeah she's still with us well I but you know I mean yeah I as soon as I said that I was like oh yeah some of those older actors have probably passed but you know a Tress McNeil could just do all of those. She could slot right in and do all of those in her sleep. She already replaced Doris Grau on The Simpsons as Lunch Lady Dora. So she's doing a version of Doris Grau on the show currently.

Sure, yeah. I mean, that was a real thrill watching the chip and dale movie was in the in the end credits just seeing the name tress mcneil in the credits with all of these movie stars and i'm like good yeah she finally gets her day that i thought that was a funny gag too having her just do gadget and gadgets just like yeah i guess i'm a lot like i am in real life like i am in the show that gave me that was the biggest laugh one of the biggest laughs in that movie, where it's just going like, yeah, you know, we didn't really change Gadget's character. She's pretty much the same and voiced by Tress. Like, we're just doing that.

That was a great, you know, spoilers. Hey, look, if you haven't seen it yet, you don't care. I don't think the Rescue Rangers movie. But yeah, I was happy that I thought that Gadget was going to be the secret villain, like when the trailers were coming out. I was like, well, there's no big part for Gadget, so probably the whole secret villain thing but fortunately it was not that uh but i guess too with this being lovitz's big return to the show listeners should go back through the talking simpsons archives because we covered this in horrible horrible detail but this was recorded right after they would have done the critic webisodes yes that's yeah that's true uh and we watched all of them uh and

not good but i don't want to waste time here but we did put that down into mp3 format about five years ago yeah so check that out on the patreon uh this is jason do you remember the icebox webisodes of critic i faintly remember the early days of way i because wasn't al gene did he also do what was the duck i heard him talk about oh queer duck was mike reese yeah but that was also on that yeah yeah yeah basically if you wrote for the simpsons they gave you a web cartoon in the year 2000 that's fine yeah i they they should yeah spread the dot-com money around like yeah no reason why comedy writers shouldn't have yeah it's never going away it's like cryptocurrency you know it's like nft is a crypto you know it's like how everyone

got their quibi money right oh yeah big big quibi money those were that was the web cartoons of 2020 that was you know quibi that was uh in that new movie fire island with joel kim booster there's a great joke in it about how margaret cho's character lost a bunch of money because she invested in quibi uh which is funny enough but then i find out do it like looking into the movie fire island and joel kim booster originally sold it as a quibi series and they had to find a new home for it so it was actually a quibi scam joke from someone scammed by quibi oh i like it wow wow fared better, you know, than just the mass wholesale price that the Roku channel paid for a bunch of Quibi stuff. Yeah, I see my Roku TV saying, do you want to watch this?

And I said, I didn't want to watch it two years ago. Look, just show me the lady. Just show me Ms. Maisel with the golden arm, okay? That's all. I just want to see those 15 seconds. All right. That's all I want to see about this. I mean, I love Reno 911, but I don't love it enough to like sift through the Quibi wreckage

and find like, oh, here's Lieutenant Dangle. He's waiting for me. Okay. So this episode, I want to talk about where it came from. The idea, obviously a parody of the, is it 94 movie? Yes. Indecent Proposal, obviously. Before movie uh indecent proposal obviously before this maybe like seven years before this al jean parodied that on the critic yes uh the reason they did

this is because uh head honcho james l brooks this was his idea and when he pitches an idea you don't say no yeah or you don't say that movie's kind of old yep you say whatever you say boss brilliant idea sir you're there's a reason you've won so many oscars yeah uh and it's very funny on the commentary al jean is like uh well actually it's more interesting to do a parody of an older movie uh you know i'm gonna like people are doing avatar parodies this is something different and uh matt selman uh another writer on the show is is a little troll all the time on the commentaries and he says yeah we're doing a three-part parody of rob lowe's oxford blues next season so uh yeah he's he's zinged him he's zinged lg i love those things yeah the selman zings

they're good so yeah uh parodying that movie which uh eight years old at that point yeah and on top of that like if you pull up the season four episode on your dvd the front and you listen to the commentary arty ziff the voice by Dan Castellaneta, shows up at their reunion, and he's like, that's right, I'm really rich. And then Homer says, I bet you'd give it all up for one night with my wife. Yes, I would.

Oh, right. And then Homer considers it for a second, and then Marge says no. So they already did the joke when it actually was a current joke about a decent proposal back in season four on the commentary for that episode you can hear al g go like oh we actually did that episode later we already did that yeah hey you know it wrote itself right good idea yeah you know i pulled up

indecent proposal on hbo max uh to i had never watched the whole thing before and it's fine like it's but you know what it's not sexy enough like it's trying to sell itself it's like oh this is kind of like basic instinct but not sexy enough even though you have like three very sexy actors in it robert redford dimmy moore and woody harrelson and it just it's uh it's so long and yeah and also the best part of it is early in the movie when they need a character to say don't you know who that is it's famous billionaire robert gage or adjacent something gage uh and he's really rich and i'd marry this guy the guy who has to say that is billy bob thornton and he's fucking hilarious and he's like on screen for four minutes and then he's gone and i'm just like no billy bob come back wow i was reading up on the novel and there are a lot of, I would call,

strange racial and political aspects that they did not add to the adaptation, which is for the best, where the writer is a Jewish writer. So in the movie, the main character, sorry, in the book, the main character is Jewish and the man who wants to buy his wife is a rich Middle Eastern oil baron or something like that and of course uh this guy

writes a lot of uh he writes a lot about his faith he's also a writer for an israeli newspaper so it's a it's a kind of a bit of propaganda i don't know what you want to call it but uh i think they made it into a better movie it was smart to get out of that zone and just be like no robert redford is the world's handsomest billionaire and he wants to fuck your wife. Like, what do you do? Yeah, it does seem like a level of nuance that multi-hundred page novels can handle

at like a two hour, 15 minute Hollywood blockbuster with massive stars. Maybe not the most adept place to try to do that. Yes. And I have an interesting fact that only I consider interesting. So on the commentary, the writer of this episode, Tim Long, said the plot about the snoring came from my then girlfriend, Robin Sayers, who was dealing with me snoring and having a hard time with it. And I was like, oh, Robin Sayers, I wonder what she's done. Well, her only writing writing credit one of two writing

credits rather is a 2018 episode of the Simpsons she wrote with Carolyn Omine that is that is the the drag race episode working mom yeah working mom I just watched that one recently actually her other credit is the original

direct to VHS jerky boys production don't hang up tough guy what and it's all on YouTube is the original direct-to-VHS Jerky Boys production, Don't Hang Up, Tough Guy. What? And it's all on YouTube. What? And I was like, well, you know, there's a Jerky Boys movie, of course. What did they do here? Well, it is videos of them pranking MTV employees specifically.

Like, not actual other people. They do some live pranks, but I think to make this video legal, they were able to only prank people at mtv so you're only seeing videos of the people on the phone with the funny characters and there's like mtv stuff in the background behind them because they're just in their cubicles or whatever so you better sign this release if you want to keep your job did you pay 30 bucks for don't hang up tough guy in 1995 maybe you did uh but But that's something that she contributed writing for. And yeah, who knows what her life is like?

Who knows why these are her only two writing credits? But you know, life can bring us many places. It can bring us to the Jerky Boys or to the Simpsons. That's amazing. You know, the commentary is one I really love because, well, first off, distracting that they keep talking about Avatar because Avatar like just won oscars or whatever but also it's because uh director laura mcmullen who we interviewed and was really cool i love that we've talked so many times on these at the commentary where the animator like kind of gets stepped on by the writers and the writers just talk over them laura mcmullen

does not like she's like yeah you asked for this and it I changed it or you tried I tried to change this and you said no I won't change it and they just she's actually very insistent on stuff which I really like and I think Gene actually defers to her more on uh stuff than he would normally with an animator because she was the president of the Harvard Lampoon and so she's a fellow Lampooner uh which which gene deeply respects i think he's just afraid of being spoofed that yes like oh what if she spoofs me yeah spoofs and goose you never know when they'll pass a law it's like the whiff and poofs could come for your ass you know uh yeah wikipedia for this episode is so interesting because there's so

much first off i didn't realize there were this many Internet credits reviewing individual television episodes in 2000. But there's so much about how the movie is old. Like it's an old movie to cite, even though it's kind of like a evergreen reference point. Very quickly, I think, became a ubiquitous comedy reference. And then the other thing is how they're defensive about that but then they're like and that director oh they push the animators really hard there's some complicated sequences and now in 2022 i'm like yeah i guess so was this worth the uh you know like was it is it that complicated no i i think mcmullen is pushing she's i don't think it's like crazy

effort she's putting into it but i do think she gets to she goes for more creative stuff than most of the animators were allowed to do back then like there's there's some great drawings of marge that if you know the internal rules they had in season 13 the rules were you don't draw marge like that like that breaks the rules and i think mcmullen was more ready to go like yeah but it's funny i'm just gonna draw a funny drawing that breaks the rules or i'll let somebody else draw and like interesting camera moves uh one of the ones i can think of is like when arty is on the ground at the prom after marge leaves the camera kind of spins around him before he gets back up it's like unnecessary yeah but very cool looking and uh yeah i think

mcmullin's episodes are the best looking of this era and she'd be with the show i think like through the movie she was one of the directors on the movie yeah it did break her it did break her i think i watched so much in the i was still watching every week in the early 2000s so i i think i'm just used to it i was just like like, yeah, it's fun. Going through the internet pipes is great. I'm sure it was technically very difficult, but there's a bunch of great gags in there, and it looks really cool. And also, at the time they were recording it,

she was piped in just like us and Jason right now. We are in the Bay Area, and he's in Los Angeles. She, too, was in the Bay area working at pixar calling in and so selman is having some of his trollish fun and it is funny because he's like hey so how coming up that old man doesn't like die falling down all those times or or the villain of up is so old he's got to be like 120 or they then ask her like how are cars how do they exist like how does is a baby car born and she's like guys i don't know i don't work was she working on uh i guess she was working on newt see that's the extra sadness of it they're asking her

all these funny pixar questions while she is suffering on the film newt that falls apart as she's working on it like when we asked her about newt it didn't sound like a hat in our interview it didn't sound like any happy memories for her and i believe she described it as like watching a building slowly fall down like in slow motion just the entire project just fall apart which is is really too bad but so so here she's getting all these joke questions about pixar while her pixar project is falling apart while she's working on it the um yeah the the 2000s disney and pixar stuff that that doesn't go is really interesting. Have you guys talked about Gigantic? Oh, no, no.

We haven't talked about that one. I think it was called Gigantic. Now I'm afraid I have it wrong. I think it was supposed to be a Jack and the Beanstalk takeoff. And I think if I'm remembering right, it was going to be set in Brazil. And of course, they're like, like oh this is a big hit we could add a brazil pavilion to epcot and because uh the brazil uh tourists the tourism industry from brazil you often see certain times a year huge tour groups from brazil and so that would have

been like a home run for them yeah Gigantic was a planned computer animated musical comedy it was Walt Disney Animation Studios Nathan Greeno and Meg LeFauve LeFauve were set to direct yeah and it just didn't come together

the ones I wanted to the ones I know about are the cancelled films are the ones I wanted to see like Newt was one of them. Another one was American Dog. That was going to be a Chris Sanders. Oh, that looks so good. It was going to be a Chris Sanders movie. He directed Lilo and Stitch.

That was reworked into Bolt. Hey, remember Bolt? Yeah, Bolt. They mentioned Bolt on this commentary because James Lipton is there. James Lipton is there because they recorded commentaries back to back as he's on aames lipton is there because they recorded commentaries back to back as he's on a different episode of season 12 you know i guess it's time for us i don't i like uh i don't know what jason feels about this but uh we have to talk about the behind the actor studio thing we've

complained about it enough on here but uh it's the one have you seen the behind the actor studio is it called behind the actor inside inside the actor that's right that's right inside the actor studio with james lipton in the cast it's james lipton just setting them up to do the line part yeah and it's basically like now now now dan uh homer has a certain kind of food he enjoys what would homer say about a donut what if i presented homer with a donut what would he say is homer here with us yeah is homer in the room yes exactly yeah i you know i think it's difficult when you have a full hit animated shows voice cast yeah i know you know uh walter mathau was here last week but we have the cast of the simpsons this week so kind of want to hear them do the

voices you know yeah and like he died somewhat recently and he was shockingly old. He was very old, but that shoe polish really did the trick. It really is like, he's got to be in his 60s, right? He's like, no, he's like 90. All of the late 90s jokes about his stuff made him seem younger, I guess. Like the Mr. Show sketch about him, I guess I just imagined David Cross making fun of him, and I thought, hey, he's like a man in his 50s right he died he was 93 when he died in 2020 oh my god yes it's unbelievable i guess you would have to be a contemporary of like marlon brando in the same actor school i guess you would have to be that old wouldn't you but he's on the commentary because

he's he's in the episode the sweetest ap, so I guess they were recording the commentary before that one. Hey, look, we schedule recordings the same, like, two in a day as well, so I get it. I get it. It happens to all of us. The Simpsons will be right back. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You see, our new net zero hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans,

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to start counting uh a hallmark of this algin era is a lot of montages but also a lot of licensed music and usually the joke behind the licensed song is, yes, we use the most obvious song. And in this episode, there are, I counted seven licensed songs in this episode, which feels like a record, but maybe he'll break that record. I think he will. You see, you know, the Mike Scully era,

we made fun of the fact that he would always use one band in our BQ, a band you've never heard of. Al Jean is changing like, no, I'm going to hear used songs you've all heard of yes the most obvious song every time and i'll just name them really quick uh so we have all i have to do is dream woolly bully georgie girl suicide is painless disco inferno precious and few and sweet dreams are made of this and the great thing about this is and i mentioned this before is that dis Disney has to pay for this. Any other streaming show on TV, like if you watch an episode of 90210 or Melrose Place or whatever, they would just jam those shows full of popular songs. They're all gone now.

But there must be some special clause for The Simpsons in which, like, no, you have to pay the Eurythmics when you buy Half Piece of Proposal. It feels like no other show gets this deal for but the simpsons i wonder if gene just had like so much money like you like the budget's this big and if you don't spend it all you lose it he's like all right then i better just keep keep getting songs but uh oh and you know what the chalkboard gag this week it seems to be a response to the episode from three weeks earlier sweets and sour marge where we talked about one of the best jokes in that episode is they throw butterfingers into the fire and then the fire spits out the butterfingers because even the fire doesn't want butterfingers because they're deal with butterfingers with up and so they're making fun of butterfingers and so this week's chalkboard gag uh you know don't bite the

butterfinger that uh or the hand that feeds you that's butterfingers or something so it's them reflecting it sounds like butterfinger was not happy about the the attack on their quality yeah i think i think nowadays it's like well if someone makes fun of your product i don't know wait two days everyone will talk about something else insane you know arby's turned it into a pro for them like when there were jokes about it all the time on the Jon Stewart did honestly too much they're like yeah hey Jon Stewart good good all the good fun we we love you Johnny yeah I yeah Arby's was that was another ubiquitous punchline in the late 90s early 2000s and still going strong they make it they're fine they're fine

yeah I like I like the chicken fingers and i like the roast beef and the curly fries but i don't seek it out i guess one and jason you're a treats expert what do you feel about butterfinger you know i it sticks in my teeth a lot it always has and um i don't know i hear they did they change the formula a couple years ago it seemed the same to me. I didn't really notice anything. We talked about it on that episode. And one of our commenters said,

yes, they changed it to completely to the point where they should just call it a new candy. So I guess maybe there's less like, like molar excavation you need to do after you're done eating one, but fundamentally it's a different candy bar now. And I'm, I'm very curious about trying a new Butterfinger and then complaining

online. They took it from us. This is what they took from you. Yeah. candy bar now and i'm very curious about trying a new butterfinger and then complaining online they took it from us they took this is what they took from you yeah yes so they have a quick joke about comic book guy sleeping surrounded by star wars things that he loves jar jar binks you know early yeah we all know only stupid nerds like star wars yes yeah it's only for the biggest fattest nerds who sleep in their Wookiee pajamas. Yeah. But a Jar Jar joke to early 2002, it almost feels a little old to me. Pretty well.

Well, episode two wasn't out. Yeah. Pretty fast by Simpsons production standards of the 2000s. I remember that very distinctly. Remember that joke and remember a line at the end that has been glued in my mind since it aired. That's where for literally eight seconds they play all I have to do is dream. The song is not needed and it could have saved some money like just don't spend twenty thousand dollars on that song just to have twinkly music. It let me know people were dreaming.

But so it's cut through with homer snoring and marge's exasperated look on her face like i love the drawings of marge's face her being super tired it's just so funny also the drawings of homer snoring through his eyeballs i think those are very funny drawings too i had a big snoring problem myself which was fixed with something that homer doesn't have in this episode which is a c-pap machine like i i sleep with a c-pap and it does eliminate your snoring so you said uh they weren't commercially available around this time or they were probably pretty rare i'm guessing i don't think they were as heavily prescribed then as honestly now like i feel like i was the doctor just saw dollar signs as i said hey I think I have extreme sleep apnea and they're

like well do we have something for you right this way sir yeah but but it does actually work like I sleep way better with it I've been using it for like nine years I you're also alive so yeah I have severe severe sleep apnea even if they do over prescribe it like they they told me that was one of the most terrifying phone calls I've ever got in my life so i take the test and they're like oh you have super duper severe sleep apnea like some of the worst we've ever seen anyway so i'll give you that c-pap in like a week or something i was like but i could die try sleeping upside down yeah jesus uh yeah my stepdad has used one of those for a long time and it is i my mom does describe it as like night and day i remember we shared when i was looking at colleges we shared a hotel room one time and i

was just like i went and i was like i'm gonna sleep in the entryway like because i gotta get away from this snore this is off like my brother is kind of a snorer too so if i go if we we ever travel and share a room i usually have earplugs in my travel bag no yeah my my brother had to one of the last times i shared a hotel room with my brother on a family trip was like three months before i got a cpap machine that was partially what got me to do it was my brother was like i literally can't sleep you snored this bad i i cannot take it yeah and uh and this was also when when a a colleague of bob and mine's in the world of the games press literally died from sleep apnea which also made me go like oh that's pretty serious yeah it's uh but yeah back then in 2002 the only time i

remember seeing a c-pad machine on tv was junior soprano was prescribed it in an episode of Sopranos and it was a joke about like this old man he needs a machine to breathe. I remember my stepdad having a snoring problem and I think my mom bought him those strips you put on your nose to open up the airways. I don't know if those really worked though. I feel like it's like a throat thing. It's like

going on inside of your body not necessarily like pulling your nostrils apart will help you. Yeah that's what I've been told, too. When Homer would later get prescribed a CPAP machine in a season 26 episode, but it doesn't help him. He actually like swallows it. That's a joke. But yeah. But now in real, it's much more mainstream CPAP stuff.

Not only actually in the bear community of of gay guys it actually is like a joke like i've seen bear tiktoks of guys like going like yeah we all wear i saw one hilarious tiktok of three different bears putting on their c-pap machines uh and it was to the danger zone theme so they were pretending like they're in top gun i think c-paps are going to become like vr they'll just get smaller and smaller over time. Less cumbersome. You know, Happy Hogan, he even sleeps with a CPAP on in the newest Spider-Man movie. So even your favorite Marvel

superheroes use a CPAP. Marge can't sleep. It's the next day. She serves Bart a plant with milk in it and Lisa a pile of old Time Magazine celebrating AOL. The AOL Time order merger is already falling apart by this time so that's that's why that's the joke of air with aol rules meaning

it's old and i do love the joke that bart's gonna try to turn in march to get a form letter from dick cheney like that's a really good line some of the like like they wrote this right before 9-11 some of the like few shots they get in at that administration before they're like hands off yeah yeah you can you can feel you can feel the moments like that yeah yeah is that after 9-11 they're like no everybody loves the president can't do it we're all united together no more of these jokes but so did any of you guys ever hear this joke that doctors play golf on wednesdays i had never heard of this myth before but then when i googled it it's like uh it took me to multiple articles that were like yes we all know the doctors play their golf games on wednesdays but now and it's like really that's a thing i i just

know doctors golf because it's a rich man's hobby but i didn't know wednesday was like the doctor golfing uh free for all apparently it's a real thing yeah okay it was a real thing i the way it is done in the show i was like oh this must be like a common knowledge sort of reference that they're referencing i did know the the gag that doctors love to golf and i also knew from my parents they always made it sound like such a burden to get an appointment at the doctor's office and then when i started calling the doctor's office i was like i got an appointment in the doctor's office. And then when I started calling the doctor's office, I was like, I got an appointment in two hours.

You just call and you sound really frantic and they squeeze you in. I just called it. I was like, I need to see someone now. And they're like, all right, you can come in tomorrow. I also knew the doctors play golf joke because on Kirby enthusiasm,

I feel like a third of all episodes are Larry goes golf golfing with his doctor and they get they argue about something oh yeah something that's similar to something uh that calvin and hobbs author bill watterson complained about he's like when all of these comic strip guys get old and out of touch all the characters start going golfing constantly because that's all they're doing it's like snoopy's golfing uh dagwood's golfing hagar's golfing everybody the wizard of it is fucking golfing yeah complaining about their teenage children and golfing like that's that's where it always ends up and that's where we get song number two uh woolly bully so there you go so is that okay so that to me says mailbox baseball like that's a funny misdirect.

They're like, oh, you think he's golfing, but he's actually smashing mailboxes with a golf club while Dr. Nick is driving. And I looked up like, okay, what reference is this from? Because mailbox baseball is in many things, but my guess is it's from Dazed and Confused where they do it with a baseball bat, which would also fit with,

Wooly Bully's not in Dazed and Confused, but it is the type of song you would think would be in there. But God, again, Wooly Bully's not in Dazed and Confused, but it is the type of song you would think would be in there. But God, again, Wooly Bully, it's not needed. Like it's not, we don't need that song. The joke works fine. It's the joke that I feel like that song is just there to be like, hey, remember like Animal House where that song's in it? Well, this is kind of like this. I mean, they do an Animal House, right? Well, hey, the family of Sam the Sham gets a lot of money from that the pharaohs that was briefly mike and my improv team our harold team years ago that was one of our walkout songs

i think we had like four or five and then i yeah it was a perfect it was a good vibe it was a good vibe to come out to uh and so they head to the doctor's office this is when uh march says she hasn't slept this poorly since little bardy had the scoots which i i believe is a cute mom way of saying diarrhea i believe i love homer handing back the thing that says do it to free do it for free to hibbert this is like this feels like a simpler time when they'll actually tell you up front how much a thing will cost at the doctor's office oh yeah yeah it's simpler uh though it's still about how you can't afford surgery like that's that's what the joke is but see this is before that hmo doctors just go like oh i see i can sell you for a hundred dollar copay an eight hundred dollar

c-pap machine all right here you go like there i sold another one but i make those jokes even though i absolutely need a c-pap and and it. I also think they maybe overprescribe it just a little bit. Oh, there are CPAP abusers out there. So then after that, it cuts to Homer snoring. And I love that Homer's doing the cartoony. That's so great. I love hearing it. You should just be blowing a feather in the air.

It comes back down. That's the only thing it's missing uh and man marge marge losing it and being so tired like falling asleep on the doorstep and then she nearly kills her children and the way she when she falls asleep while driving and then rolls out of the car and falls asleep while rolling i was like man that's funny that's marge never gets to have wacky funny jokes like that being like blissfully rolling down a hill yes like abandoning her children finally i can rest that is a fun running gag on the simpsons i don't know if they still do it but like an adult gets out of the car and then just whoever whatever kids are in the car just take over without really

sometimes they freak out and sometimes they just roll with it i love millhouse asking lisa to the harvest dance and her saying like it's not a good time he's like it's never a good time that is a great line yeah you know what uh al jean is back and so are patty and selma yeah and i welcome them i love patty and selma and uh i love this uh this set piece of uh you know marge going there and watching tv with them it's great i love everything involving them and i think they rule i mean the jokes about them here are like aren't these disgusting women annoying look at these pigs yeah but i'm like they're hilarious i love them they're so comfortable with who they are yes yeah here's uh in our first

clip this is when marge comes to stay with her sisters so lisa do you have a date for the harvest dance this is not a good time It's never a good time Overnight bag? No husband in sight It's happened She left Homer? I'll get the champagne and let's get that ring off Whoa, whoa, whoa, Delilah I didn't leave Homer and I never will i just need one night away from

his snoring great we'll have a girl's night no bras she can only remove her bra with a wire cutter that's how strong her bra is i love it like there's a lot in here first off the uh the return of champagne which is a real drink uh which we already taught we talked about a long time ago because in i married marge marge gets drunk the night uh they conceived bart on champagne right from what i understand it's malt liquor designed to taste like champagne correct yes it's malt liquor uh distilled in a certain way that it tastes like wine, yes.

Wow, it's really impressive all the things malt liquor can do. It gets a bad rap, it's this cheap thing. But really, it's so useful. It comes in the biggest cans. Yeah, now it's seltzer. Now they make it into seltzer and everyone loves it. We all, hey, I love it a lot.

What can't seltzer do? Then meanwhile, Marge's Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Delilah is a reference to Tom Jones' song Delilah, where the line is, Why, why, why, Delilah? And you know, Marge is a Tom Jones fan, so this really works out for her. And that's the song also that Homer sings in the shower in Homer the Heretic.

So another double-upped reference here. I was dating someone at the time who was a big fan of Sex and the City. Okay. And I told her the joke. It's a show where four single women act like gay men. My girlfriend at the time did not like that joke. She was like, it's a good show. But this comes from the same school of thought as uh we previously did an episode in

which there's a view parody and it feels like all the men writers are like our fucking wives make us watch this trash and we hate it and the claws come out now they can finally make fun of these awful women oh i was gonna say in college you know in the way that all the old uh guys in the early 2000s who liked movies had whatever the ten dollar dvds were fight club donnie darko boondock saints uh i feel like when i would uh go to women's dorms there was usually at least one or two seasons of sex in the city when i actually sat down and watched it a little in college i was like oh that's all right this is pretty well written people i feel like everyone just talks about like the shoes and cosmos but like there are jokes in here like i was like oh it's a yeah there's a lot of jokes in here

yeah it's fine uh i think people were thinking the the the parodies are like a show for women yeah this seems odd but also like women enjoy sex jokes or like well and two and kim cattrall like she's there's all the main four actresses in it are great, though. Kim Cattrall runs away with that show. Then on top of that, too, though, there was all this. Mullen references it on the commentary a little. She's like, oh, you wanted me to frame these shots with a lot more one-person close-ups as a reference to how the women film a lot of stuff separately because they're like there's trouble on the set and even then it was like people knew that sarah jessica parker and

kim cattrall all right didn't get along and that's why uh samantha is not on the new show that's not called sex in the and the city uh every time my brain wants to call it sex in the city it's it's and the city it's not they're not doing it in the city. Well, I guess they are. They are doing it. Oh, boy, do they do it in the city. It's sex, comma, and the city. What's the new show called?

It's Stupid. And Just Like That. Okay, Jason. And, yeah. What is the actual name? Because I've gotten this wrong for years. It's Sex and the City? And.

And. And. Okay, it is and. i had to triple check that yeah i especially where i grew up growing up outside philadelphia everyone just runs every word into every other word so like every now and then my girlfriend would be like i can't understand like say that again much slower i don't know what you said. I, man, well, the jokes in this episode about Sex and the City are very mean. That, like, one, that everybody has to laugh at their own jokes too much to let you know it's a joke. So it's writers complaining, like, oh, these writers think they're so clever.

Yeah, like, the parody is inaccurate, so shame on them. But I watched a lot of Sex and the City 20 years ago, and they weren't laughing at their own jokes in the show, really. That wasn't like a hallmark of the show. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't think so.

Yeah. Samantha would say something catty and they'd just like clink glasses or whatever. And that was it. Yeah. No, it is crazy to me that they rebooted it and didn't get her back. I understand her not wanting to come back. It sounds like she had a bad time a lot of the time but she's like the funniest one yeah i i had heard a quote about her saying that like at my age i don't want to spend one hour of my life doing anything i don't enjoy which was her reasoning for not doing it but fair enough well

now and uh and now my new favorite still on the show is Cynthia Nixon, and that is because she conforms with my political beliefs, which is the only thing I want out of an actor. Me too. Yes, Cynthia Nixon does seem very cool. She does. No, I like her a lot. There were all these I told you so's about how, like, boy, remember when she ran against Andrew Cuomo,

and everybody was like, no, no, no, this guy's the pro here. What, do we want some actress in charge who likes Bernie Sanders no way good times I forgot that she ran against didn't yeah didn't really work out didn't work out in the long run there's uh so this is a very of its time parody another thing I noticed is that when they cut back to Patty and Selma and Marge uh you know and Patty is saying this is so like our lives she's holding something and I identified it as a Biore strip one of those oh that's what I thought it was a band-aid it's a Biore you're right yes one of those strips you pull on your nose you put on your nose and rip

it off you could see like what's going on on my nose your filthy filthy pores this was here the entire time but yeah that's what she has on her on her in her hand she like throws it in the ashtray or something so it looks like a hairy band-aid when really it's just the filth of her pores. Yes. Our pores are all that filthy. I do like the detail in this of Marge and her sisters getting together, having a couple of glasses of wine and getting a little sleazy and like mean and stuff. Like I, I feel like even having beers with the fellas you don't have

that sort of camaraderie you know you don't have that sort of girls night camaraderie yeah this also felt like a new thing back then of like wait women get together and drink and watch a show they enjoy what the hell is this women do this yeah there's there's a little of that to it but well here i have the quick clip of Nookie in New York. Let's catch the tail end of Nookie in New York. Nookie in New York? It's a cable show about four single women who act like gay men. That sounds great.

If I'm not having sex by the end of this goat cheese quesadilla, I'm going to scream. I also enjoy sex. Since this morning, I've had sex with a New York Nick, two subway cops, and a guy who works on Wall Street. Broker? Nah, she's just really sore. This is so like our lives. It's like they hit a camera in our apartment. Coming up next on BHO, it's Arliss.

I love an attack on Arliss. I've never seen Arliss. I do remember in the 90s, David Letterman would make fun of Arliss a lot, but he would not be specific. He'd just say, you see Arliss, Paul? You ever watch Arliss? Arliss. And that'd

be basically the extent of it we only ever had hbo on like free free weekend from comcast you know um of hbo so i only knew arliss as a reference on like the simpsons or late night uh the george lucas talk show guys are like robert wool is a great sport he we watched in the band i believe they watched all of arliss with robert wool in the pandemic wow wow that's impressive batman's robert wool that's amazing yeah i mean that's right yeah he created the show too so arliss is like the raw like the most robert wool show you can ever get which and you know what if you never caught it back in the 90s all seven seasons on hbo max you can watch them all if there's another quarantine i know where i'll be and our list was about to go off the air it would go off the air

in september of 2002 so they're getting their shots in now kicking kicking while they're down i mean comedy writers hated our list yeah i i used to complain a lot because HBO Max took so long to get on Roku, but now it's been like a year or two. It's like, they got a really deep bench. If you had to pay for one of them, HBO Max might be the one to do. Yeah, it's got a lot of, but it doesn't have Tracy Takes On because that's too racist. No Tills from the Crypt either. Yeah, you know what?

Come on, guys. I want Tills. That kind of pisses me off. Tills from the crypt either yeah you know what come on guys i want to that kind of pisses me off tales in the crypt isn't there i i also know arliss is like from hearing as a mr show super fan hearing how much the mr show writers hated arliss they felt right yeah arliss took all their money in advertising budget and then mr like hbo would never promote for your consideration stuff for mr show they'd only do it for our lists and they tell on the commentary of one mr show dvd they tell the story of them seeing an arliss ad in a magazine tearing it out putting it in the

toilet and i believe it's brian posain takes an actual dump on it and they then took a photograph of that and sent it to hbo and he's a big guy yes yeah, yeah. That's how writer's rooms were back then. You take pictures of your friend's shit. Yeah, your penis comes out sometimes. It's a 90s writer's room. It's all fun. There's no women there to complain about it. There certainly weren't in the writer's room for Mr. Show.

That's for sure. And I think the joke about women that sound like gay men is because the creator of the show was gay, right, Darren Star? Yeah, yeah. And many other writers on it were gay. And it was a gay friendly show for sure like mario canton uh it became very famous on it uh among other gay guys as well though i think uh there's some guys in that show that weren't actually gay or at least like not out the the willie guy who just passed away i can't remember if he was gay or not who

played uh sarah jessica park Parker's gay best friend in the show. But anywho. Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know if he was. Nowadays, we all accept that, like, yeah, don't put a straight person in a gay role. Let a gay actor play the gay person. Like, stop.

We're past that now. Even Tom Hanks is like, yeah, I wouldn't do Philadelphia now. I just saw that recently. He's like, yeah, I wouldn't do that now. Even Tom Hanks is like, yeah, I wouldn't do Philadelphia now. I just saw that recently. He's like, yeah, I wouldn't do that now. It was important for the time, but not so good now. So now we come to the big turn in the episode after they switch away from Arliss very quickly

to not have to see any of it. This is when Marge learns, and Patty and Selma, who loved Artie Ziff and his original appearance in the way we was they learned that he is the internet billionaire uh which like that was a story back then of like oh that got that nerd from high school he's actually an internet billionaire how do you like that uh which you know i i feel like i was uh every sitcom like 30 rock had one of those for instance i i remember. But most of them did.

Yeah, a topical reference, a very topical reference, I think, of the early 2000s. And I think, too, with this bit of Lovitz coming back, like, it's him singing Georgie Girl. So it's also, they're giving in to all of the Lovitz-isms in this. Yeah. They're like, all right, Lovitz is going to sing. He's going to say, I'm R.T. Ziff. All the silly stuff they used to cut. They wouldn't let him say, I'm R.T. Ziff. All the silly stuff they used to cut.

They wouldn't let him say, I'm R.T. Ziff in the way we was. That was an ad lib they cut out, but they let him do it. They let him scream it in this episode. You know, after LG working with Lovitz for a decade, he's like, ah, forget it. Let's just go all the way. Let's have all the stupid crap he says. Yeah, why not? Yeah, it's not hurting anyone, you know? And once again, LG Jean, on the commentary,

he says, Lovitz isn't here, so I'll play him for a minute. And he just sings a song about how everyone in the room is gay. Because I guess Lovitz's bit when he was doing The Critic is to tell the creators, Al Jean and Mike Reese, that they were both gay and they kiss each other and have sex with each other and stuff. It's a fun bit. And he did it every time he recorded.

Every single time he saw that. Yeah, not great. uh real different time i mean you do have to you do think about it go like oh yeah that was like 30 years ago and if you go from 1950 to 1980 that's a pretty big leap yeah yeah but uh but i i also think too you know loitz, so Lovitz had not appeared on the show since the critic crossover, which was very controversial internally, as Mike Reese talks about in his book. And it says we've talked about with him and also Bill Oakley. The crossover was seen by the current then season six Simpsons writers as this is beneath us. This is stupid and bad. And Matt Groening hated it

so much he took his name off of the episode so from then on Lovitz didn't appear on the Simpsons for the next uh seven years until this episode uh back when Gene's in charge he got Lovitz back on the show and there'd be a whole lot of Lovitz after that but I think that Lovitz drought was also the like Lov's didn't like that mike that mac reigning was so negative about his episode i think that also was it yeah i i loved the crossover as a kid i i thought it was so funny i was so excited i think by by that point the critic was in heavy syndication on comedy central uh when i started watching it at least. So I thought it was fun. It's a shame that it was such a

everyone's comedy people are all insane. I did want to ask Jason if he ever went to the John Lovitz Comedy Club. I believe it was part of City Walk. It was open from 2009 to 2014. It was open.

I never made it up there. I didn't go to the main room, which is very odd. It is a massive, it's multi-tiered. Like I think it was three stories, which if you've ever been a comedy club, I wouldn't design it that way. It's like one or two of the Upright Citizens Brigade theaters later on, just highest ceilings. And it's like one or two of the Upright Citizens Brigade theaters later on. Just highest ceilings.

And it's like, no. Did you consult none of your regular? Like, why would you do this? This is a terrible idea. Love it. Very odd. The three stories, tropical island themed, because he started loving Hawaiian shirts at some point.

I also did not make it up to the short-lived smod kevin smith podcast lounge which uh kind of ahead of its time honestly yeah yeah the that love it's stand-up thing may know i mean i would guess he did stand up before but i don't think of him as a stand-up performer he's a comedic actor when you think of him you're like oh yeah the fun characters the fun you know supporting roles but you don't think like oh remember that great john levitt's bit about you know uh airline peanuts or whatever it just doesn't come up yeah you know it's just a certain weird string of like handshake licensing if you look up vegas i don't know which ones are active but for a while there was a brad garrett comedy club there was the jimmy kimmel comedy club at

like big strip hotels and it's just that like they're getting a segment of tourism where people recognize big names that have been around for a long time and maybe they're not like maybe they're not like the most stand-up stand they're not like a you know a true a died in the world like a real stand like a john mulaney or a taylor tomlinson like these people who are like really good at current stand ups i i'm currently reading uh yelp reviews uh archive yelp reviews of this place i'm seeing some good ones yeah uh so this is a from uh from a person in cleveland they say uh if you want to pick a good time to come, I would say Wednesday. That's when John Lovett's headlines.

I don't think I could ever get enough songs and jingles about how Bob Saget is allegedly gay. Oh, wow. That's his bit. That's the thing he does. Just like, you're gay. You know, I think that was actually the last time I saw Lovett's in the news was him, you know, with an RIP Bob Saget message, like, uh,

which was, uh, was sweet, but wow. It's still, you know, it's Saget rhymes with. Yeah.

Hmm. I'm sure. I'm sure he said that. I'm sure he said that. I'm certain. I'm certain. Yeah. If you want to see the remnants,

the sign is still up, uh, at city walk eight years later and then uh also if you if you go uh like try to figure out where you are spatially go like around the corner from johnny rockets and you'll find an elevator with a you know a lock like that is the artist entrance elevator so uh you could wow there's city walk is an amazing play it's like a fucking uh wasteland right now there's so many empty storefronts but you can see so many relics of what was there before so many fallen brothers uh so many fallen brothers as we say on the show

i they are finally getting a starbucks again that you have to go to the second floor to get to, which is one of the most perplexing design decisions I may have ever seen. God. I also regret to tell everybody that as of 2011, John Lovitz was in the Yelp comments replying to people. Oh, my God. Of course he was. Of course he was. So that's where he was about a decade ago when you know what jason i was just in uh las vegas enjoying uh pro wrestling and not enjoying getting covid uh but i i stayed in the mgm grand and i can confirm the brad garrett

comedy club is still open and still uh named after brad garrett so still going strong in 2022 good yeah i mean good for that yeah i a lot of those vegas comedy clubs you book regular touring comics but in terms of who is the figurehead who is the masthead it's it's gonna be it's gonna be the brother from everyone everybody loves raymond you know i almost consider going to some stand-up while i was there but i had to like research like no no that's a trump guy no that's a trump guy like that's uh obviously i was not going to go to see terry fator that was not that wasn't going to happen that night but kind of a minefield seeing i i worked one of my first jobs was interning at it was just called the comedy festival it was the hbo was putting it on it was like the aspen festival

that was so big and so important for so many years so they tried to do one in vegas and to mixed results uh yeah it only lasted like two years and it was very fun but a lot of people were just getting free comp tickets to like shows so they'd be hammered watching Sarah Silverman. I have one last John Lovitz comment to read you guys because he was really a hands-on businessman. I mean, he wasn't being cast in anything or auditioning for things or being asked to be in things. So I guess this is what he was doing.

Someone was complaining about how awful the Kevin Smith Hollywood Babylon live podcast was like, this, this guy sucks. He's not funny. And John Levitz replies with, uh, Brian,

I highly recommend you use your computer to research the shows and performers you plan to watch in the future. And not just bad mouth, a show and performers. You obviously had no idea about prior to attending. Wow. He's getting into it in the comments folks i i don't i feel like that was a thing that i would say when i was young i didn't

know it comes back around that you got to start telling unhappy people like well did you do your research did you do your research for this fun thing you were going to uh i've talked about it with theme parks that like oh tired dads never want to do their it's like but if you're if you're spending thousands on a theme park trip you might want to read that like the read the brochure a little you know but if you're going to a comedy club i think you just expect like yeah i'm gonna laugh you know my dad hated all theme parks so that when we would go to them he wasn't going to study up on a thing he was sure he was going to hate regardless so he's he didn't care to know any of it it's uh yeah i i didn't get despite living in florida i didn't get to go to as many theme parks as i would have liked because my dad uh hated them and saw them as too expensive which

hey i agree you know it isn't cheap but yeah i think and he He's spending it all on the ponies anyway. That's what I say. Hey, fair enough. Look, they are expensive. Your kids are really into them. Some adults are really into them. You know? So, like, you got to give a little. You got to compromise a little and go sometimes.

But, yeah, I say this. I say, like, yeah, do, like, 10 minutes and read up on, like, the good read read up on like the good time to show up the good time to have lunch but that said it's all so fucking confusing nowadays I understand if people are more overwhelmed now than in the 90s where there was like one printout brochure you know if I have to explain Disney plus to somebody by sharing three different 20-minute videos from different lifestyle Disney bloggers, I'm like, well, this is too much to ask of a normal person. Yeah. We did an episode about it, and I found one infographic, and I was like, okay. When I look at this, it kind of makes sense.

And then I found another and another and i'm like uh-oh not great too many infographics but okay back the episode so uh they have a rather dated joke about modem noises that it changes into a song when love it's plays it or when arty ziff's machine plays it and also their redesign of current arty ziff just is mike reese they just drew mike reese there well uh a fun fact comes out on the commentary uh because dan castellaneta was not on the commentary for the way we was he brings up the fact that he created the design for arty ziff because during the recording for the way we was he typically will doodle on his script he doodled

what he thinks arty ziff should look like during that recording session he showed it to the director and david silverman turned that into the design so that is the one character design by dan castellaneta is already really cool yeah that was really cool to learn yeah uh and so and they said we're not paying you for this yes yeah you get paid it uh this is when marge is asked why she didn't end up with arie Ziff. And, you know, this is a very 2002 thing of like, well, yeah, then he this man assaulted me. And so I but they they play it for laughs a little too much. But that's how things were back then. They wouldn't do that joke now.

Like, oh, yes. Remember when the man on my prom date assaulted me? That was sad. Like, I guess to their joke is that he's a little shrimp and that Marge feels no like physical threat from him. So it's a joke. and that Marge feels no, like, physical threat from him, so it's a joke, but yeah. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner, and greener. At Electric Ireland,

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It's kind of, it's depressing really. One choice I like is that they don't just use old footage. Like I recalled in my head, oh, they just cut to old footage. No, they kind of create their own montage. Yeah, yeah. But that's when the twins get Marge drunk and they, well, they have to, because it's 2002, they first must explain

what an email is before they send it. I suppose I could write him a letter. Are you nuts? Email female. You just tell us what you want to say. Okay. Hold on to your hats.

Dear Artie. Dear Hottie. Congratulations on your recent TV appearance. I want to sex you up. Your love slave, Marge. You can't use the word sex on the internet. Watch me. Anti-trust suit, anti-trust suit.

A note from Marge Simpson? Well, isn't that a coincidence? I was just thinking about her. For the last 20 years. All the Marge art around him is really well done. Yeah, I like the different interpretations of Marge art around him is really well done. Yeah, yeah. I like the different interpretations of Marge. And, of course, those antitrust suits, a reference to Microsoft being sued in an antitrust suit in 1998, settled in 2001.

And when I read the results of the settlement, I was like, that is like a little slap on the wrist. Like, it leads to the world we live in now today but uh i was gonna ask has there really been a big antitrust suit like in a long time yeah i think the microsoft one was the last one and what it resulted in was just microsoft agreeing to make some of the programs that they have as freeware for up to the year 2008 that was it i don't in the wikipedia article on it it does not say that there was like a they didn't have to pay any money there was no like monetary penalty when they agreed to the settlement which i was like well then no wonder microsoft is only bigger now than it was then uh when it got the antitrust suit but you know what with that the text of that email i

understand already jumping to those conclusions like the her sisters literally say like i want to sex you up like they he why wouldn't he assume marge wants to have sex with him and leave uh homer for him yeah that's fair and i also like that barge i really do like the wind up of marge being drunk and she's like okay here goes dear arty like that'sie. That's a good joke. You think it's going to be them manipulating every sentence she says, but they just go off on their own direction. So they start by changing Dear Artie into Dear Hottie and then changing her next sentence to something completely different

that sounds nothing like what she said. And yeah, it's great to hear John Lovitz. He's a great voice actor, and they let him do all of his shtick here. And every character he plays sounds like john lovitz as in the next arty ziv episode in two seasons they just do that joke where it's him and all of his other previous characters sitting together at a bar and they all sound the same which is a good joke so it comes to the next morning marge has slept well so she's doing her mother's job of making breakfast for everyone, as she must do. And finally, she's slept enough to be a good mother again.

So then when a helicopter lands on their lawn, this is a new running joke I've only just noticed in the show. So in Jaws Wire, Chud Homer has the joke of saying, what are they going to do? Advance on me, which is a stage direction. And then the characters do advance upon him. So this is now Bart reading a stage direction and then the characters do advance upon him so this is now bart reading a stage direction aloud too and he says let's approach with caution and then they all leave the room like i love that the first time i noticed like oh they're just characters saying stage directions that's great yeah that's a great gag and uh meanwhile homer eats all their food uh the it's an unguarded breakfast, the sweetest taboo.

So then Artie runs into Marge. Marge tries to just say it was basically like a drunk email sent. And Artie's saying, wait, was it consummated, their marriage? And she just shows her three kids and like, pretty much. I guess, I mean, we weren't drunk texting then. We were drunk emailing, drunk instant messaging. No matter what time period, we were drunk doing something to embarrass ourselves if time has shown us anything it's that the internet is made for reconnecting with high school sweethearts or people you wish you

boned in high school and so uh homer comes out he says hey march is that the guy you couldn't get it's the guy who couldn't get any off you arty convincesces them to go on a trip with them. And here comes another. Artie is stuck in the 70s. That's the important part. Like, despite being rich with modern inventions, he is emotionally stuck in the 70s right down to his yacht being called the Pacific Princess. A reference to the boat in the love boat, the Pacific Princess. Okay.

I didn't know that. I had no idea. Oh, yeah. And even the music cue over the establishing shot of it is kind of love boat-y. They didn't know that i had no idea oh yeah even the music cue over the establishing shot of it is kind of love boaty they didn't pay for that song no no oh yeah we missed georgie girl by the way oh yes yeah that was that's three and also on the boat is one of the only deleted scenes are the only deleted scene that's on the dvd though mcmullen references a lot of deleted stuff but the only one that's on the DVD is

while they're playing mini golf, Lisa misses and then Sea Captain steers the boat so that the ball falls in the cup and Lisa gets another hole-in-one. So it would have set up Sea Captain earlier before this moment. But this is when we have our next clip where an indecent proposal is made.

Homer, Marge, I have a rather delicate proposition. Spill it, moneybags. Yes, I do have everything. Yet I often wonder what life with Marge would have been like. It's like being married to my best friend. And he lets me feel his

boobs. Homer, I will give you one million dollars to let best friend and he lets me feel his boobs. Oh me. Homer, I will give you one million dollars to let me spend a weekend alone with your wife. Hmm, a million dollars? Wait a minute, how much sex would be involved? As if it's some. No, no, no.

All I want is to show her what life would be like had she chosen me marty that's a sick idea come on homer we're leaving just think about it you'll win her yet arty i mean uh r t this is when bart lisa maggie discovered their parents left without him but this is really like the doctor evil issue 30 years after that movie where it's like only a million only a million yeah it's not much a house cost now i i still wouldn't say even at 85 i would not say no to sex with robert redford for a million dollars no way you're splitting that with your spouse you know and then the taxes too plus well

then in the movie uh oliver platt is their lawyer who negotiates a deal he gets five percent so it's like man you're losing so much in this deal yeah really and in the movie there's more of an it is the there is the implication of uh sex no it's it's straight up of like i will have sex with your wife for a million dollars like this obviously they knew in here in here they knew they couldn't make it that clear like homer would not agree to it or it neither would mark yeah but yeah yeah okay that's what i thought i was just second guessing myself like wait does the movie string it out too uh but no yeah she just agrees to it for a million dollars and they they also make it very clear like they're gonna're going to lose their home and they're, like, pretty much painted into a corner.

So they have to agree or else they'll basically be homeless. So was the movie engineered to get couples into fights after they watch it? I mean, that's why it has lasted forever. It's because everybody, every couple has an indecent proposal conversation. Like, my husband and I agree. You know what a million dollars is a lot of money we both agree with that but but you know every every couple's different and one also the guy offering a million dollars isn't going to look like robert redford that's

that's another thing about it too that is a certain boom i because it reminds me of the big chill too where it's like uh i want to have a baby like oh you want to you know fuck my husband oh okay all right that's all right we're all staying in one giant house i'll just stay in the other guest room tonight well they the the point of the movie though is too that with all the stuff we're saying now they make the point in the movie like yes logically you can tell yourself that and hey it's just one night and and nobody will be jealous but in the movie after the night of sex actually no it destroys their relationship and witty harrelson is very jealous and it it messes everything up so the the point of the movie too is like you can say oh yeah theoretically sure

i'd be fine with it but if you actually were to do it you wouldn't be fine with it that's which is what homer goes through in the episode as well much faster than woody harrelson does in the movie sure is there a more current reference episode in later seasons that references like the popularity of cuckolding pornography that has overtaken the internet oh i'm sure they've uh they've done like lemon party jokes on the simpsons you know i remember there's there's a more recent treehouse i believe it was a paranormal activity one that ends with homer agreeing to have sex with two demons to save his family so okay yeah hey it's it's a tree house it doesn't but yes so all right anyway we go back home

homer says you know what i could i could use this for this surgery and the two other surgeries i desperately need and they just has a heart attack right there and march says you know i can get used to the snoring if i can get used to calling her courtney cox our cat i can get used to this they were so happy together they were yeah i it was a big deal because in season six of friends after she married actor david arquette her credit on friends became courtney cox arquette which it would stay that way till the end of season to the end of the series actually the joke in the first episode uh where she's credited to courtney cox arquette in in the credits. Every other main actor is, you know, David Schwimmer Arquette, Jennifer Aniston Arquette.

Like, it was cute. That is cute. Yeah, but it's not so cute as they separated in 2010. Reconcilable differences. But you know what? If you watch that David Arquette pro wrestler documentary from a couple years ago, they seem like they're, you know, a friendly co-parenting couple years ago they seem like they're you know a friendly uh uh

co-parenting couple and that they're still they're still buddies and they still produce movies together and star in them like the the miniscream films yeah she i thought she came off very good in that documentary she seemed very cool and she seemed like a again a good sport about uh being in it uh being in a document but it seemed like some of it was like hey he's not my problem anymore if he wants to smash light tubes on his head go nuts yeah it's a it's a it's a really fun documentary you can't you can't kill david arquette it's a really good one uh though i was disturbed seeing basically him fully nude except for a bag over his genitals you he's fully naked in the movie he's like i'm uncomfortable with this scene david our cat oh yeah they then homer and

marge have sex uh happily and then great joke that homer instantly falls asleep after the act is finished and is snoring again and marge marge can't sleep and And I think it's really cute how Homer says, Oh, I'm so sorry, honey. And then he's just snoring while he's awake. Out of every face hole. Yes. While sitting up. And this is when they decide to accept that proposal. Indelicate proposition?

Indelicate proposition. Indelicate proposition. Was it delicate or indelicate? I think it was indelicate. You know, I'll just play it again here. Homer, Marge, I have a rather delicate proposition. Indelicate proposition. Was it delicate or indelicate? I think it was indelicate. Okay. You know what? I'll just play it again here. Homer, Marge, I have a rather delicate proposition. There you go. Delicate proposition.

Delicate's okay. Hey, I like indelicate more. But so Marge accepts it in our next clip. Oh, I'm so sorry. Are you snoring while you're awake? Uh, huh? You need that surgery. We'll have to call Artie.

Okay, Ziff. You get her for the weekend, but no funny stuff. And by funny stuff, I mean hand-holding, goo-goo eyes, misdirected woo, which is pretty much any John Woo film. Your wife's virtue shall remain as untouched as Bill Gates' weight room. You know, I'm a big fan of John Woo, and I do not appreciate that negativity. Was that another ref to Mission Impossible 2?

That would have been the most recent film when they wrote that, yeah. He hadn't even made Paycheck yet, which is the worst John Woo movie, by far. Yeah, I kind of didn't understand. That seemed like a weird shot to take and also now that some time has gone by i think everyone should revisit mission impossible 2 it kicks ass uh like all those movies it's great uh i remember seeing it in theaters and thinking like oh this is so awesome yeah they they charge at each other on motorcycles and just smash like wham and they smash in the air any free climbs at the beginning and then gets its message through his sunglasses

and then throws the sunglasses at the camera and they explode like that is so great it's so I I really uh liked it but yeah I couldn't have figured out i mean i know he did some more like um journeyman directing in in the american industry in the 90s but i'm like i can't think of anything at this point pre-paycheck that people would have been like uh-oh misfire well you know back then it was okay to say face off sucked like people the opinion was face off wasn't good which is wrong it's good it's great yeah my memory is that that is also awesome it rules it's such a great movie yeah i love uh i but at this time i didn't like this joke too when it was new because i was one of those john woo film snobs who

was like i watched i watched all the bootleg uh vhs is purchased in Chinatown of like a better tomorrow a better tomorrow to killer and hard-boiled all of his Hong Kong productions before he became an American director yeah I caught those on really like I would freak out if I would find one at you know Hollywood video or video update or whatever or every now and then they'd air one at like one in the morning on Starz. My dad, for whatever reason, for like a decade, got Starz for free. No explanation. But yeah, I would find weird stuff. That's how I first saw After Hours, which I rewatched like a year ago. And I'm like, there's some very good stuff in here.

And there is some weird stuff in here that is not aged well at all. But some great performers. Cheech and Chong make a rare appearance in a Scorsese movie, right? Is that after hours? I think they're some of the people he comes across at one point. Yeah. You know, that Bill Gates weight room joke, he was a little busy with some other activities back then.

Yeah. That's why he wasn't in the weight room. Yeah. But I wonder if Artty got invited to that you know marty's got his own private island maybe he didn't get invited to the bill gates uh of course we know other people invited a private island but we're not let's not let's have fun let's not talk about that hey so um so then in this episode full of references so in the movie woody harrelson realizes just like homer does that he messed up but this happens out of order but in the movie when he realizes he messed up he chases after and goes to the roof and he sees the helicopter flew away and his wife's

already gone with robert redford so they have the helicopter goodbye in here but that wasn't enough for him they're like no this can't just be the helicopter goodbye in here, but that wasn't enough for him. They're like, no, this can't just be the helicopter goodbye from the movie. We also have to ask for instance, the final episode of mash. And, uh, uh,

goodbye was spelled out with rocks, not keep your clothes on. Yes. But, uh, the suicide is painless. I think that's, that's song four.

Yes. Yeah. Which Fox owns, right? It's a, yeah, that's what Al Jean says. It's a Fox,

which it doesn't mean you don't pay it, but it means you're just paying Fox. So it's just like, you know, you're just passing money around, really. And so Fox doesn't care as much, which I guess now Disney owns Suicide is Painless, I suppose. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I guess so. It's like moving a dollar from a wallet to a money clip. It's just like it doesn't matter. It's all a it's all Bank of America in the end, you know?

Then they cut to the bar. This is when Homer realizes the mistake he made, which, you know what, again, Jason, I know you're a fan of, you've visited Las Vegas a number of times. I had a good time. If you want to see 1994 Las Vegas in all of its glory, you see it in uh at least the first half of indecent proposal most of it takes place there they go to a themed benihana bar in it with singing statues uh and that's where oliver platt's like hey yeah that guy's gonna fuck your wife man that's pretty crazy right and he's like hey you're right you're right and he runs off well now i have to watch this movie yeah it i we we talked about how to tackle las vegas because the juxtaposition of 90s theme park vegas where they're getting like top

tier special effects and themed entertainment designers from like disney and universal to design attractions and then the casinos themselves like are so everything is disgusting if you watch vegas vacation everything looks like it was rubbed with ham like i don't and i i feel like i'm sure there's still plenty of those kinds of places in vegas but like uh if you go uh i i just think even the cheaper one like luxor the newer ones that came about in the 90s, like Luxor, New York, New York, while they're not, they're like, you know, the big thing anymore, it's still like reasonably nice. You know, my girlfriend and I love gambling at those two because it's just fun. Yeah, I feel like the theming.

It's like gambling in like a big set, like a big movie set. And that's, yeah. Yeah, I feel like they aren't investing as much in the theming as they used to i also on my recent covet getting trip to las vegas uh i was also disappointed that it felt like there were no new themed slot machines like i was hoping to see like a rick and morty slot machine for instance like and i didn't even see the old ones i used to see there like the big bang theory slot machine it wasn't there anymore i but i did play the jurassic park slot machine and won a hundred dollars then i lost pretty quickly but let's just remember the winning yeah i i think they they introduced new ones fairly

quickly uh i was in atlantic city back around christmas time and the dune slot machine uh based on the new dune was massive. We really like, we had good luck with the Little Shop of Horrors machine. That is really fun because it sings, it shows clips from the movie. It's a blast. I didn't get any of that there. Oh, that's, I'm so,

the only new one I saw there was the Crazy Rich Asians machine, which honestly took a lot of my money. I didn't win one dollar off of that machine hey henry uh if you give me if you give me a hundred dollars i'll put a little shot before us on the tv and you might give me my hundred dollars back uh maybe i'll leave your apartment but okay as homer is learning that like uh that he probably is going to lose marjorie they're all making him think that

i just love i love mo saying that's a lot of swings in the old batting cage this round's on me mo i got a big payday coming yeah homer sold his wife for a million bucks i didn't sell her i just rented her to an old boyfriend gee a million. That's gonna buy him a lot of, uh, swings in the old batting cage. Looks like everyone's a winner. Marge gets a great new life. And you get more sprawl space on the bed. Wait, you really think Marge is gonna fall for this guy?

Even after I bought her that hockey fight tape? I'd dump your ass. Me too. Yeah, I can't get Artie out of my head. He's like a spy in the house of Mo. Oh, God, you're right. I got to get her back before it's too late. And also Homer saying like, even after I bought her that hockey fight tape, that's a good line.

And then I wish there's another good joke on there that me and Bob tried to dig into the source of it. But it's. Yeah, Mo is getting obsessed with Artie. Mo says he's like a dig into the source of it, but it's... Yeah. Mo is getting obsessed with Artie. Mo says he's like a spy in the house of Mo. And apparently they know a comedy writer. They didn't say his name or possibly her name, but this person had a book on tape and it was the comedy writer describing their process.

He was just very smug about it. He says, you know, I don't even know where these jokes come from. I'm like a spy in the house of me and they hated that so much that they put it in this episode and the only person i found who said that is uh carrie fisher but she does not have an audiobook on comedy writing or a book on comedy writing so maybe that is like a phrase she came up with independently but yeah well we don't know who that writer is. And the only other thing I could find in my research was that there was a Just Shoot Me episode also called A Spy in the House of Me, which I could imagine was another comedy writer friends with them saying, like, God, what a hack line that was.

I have to write a I have to name an episode after what a stupid uh hacky phrase that is i thought it was a reference to i thought there was a spy novel uh a spy in the house of something yes so there there is a 1954 book called that so i think the hacky writer who came up with a spy in the house of me was referencing the title of that book but they uh the commentary they say it's all just about uh complaining about a fellow comedy writer oh uh spy in the house of love yeah that's it okay anise uh the anise nin novel as homer runs off to try to catch up with them this was another bit they cut uh that was going to be homer stow it but it's not a deleted scene it was going to be homer stowing away in a jet engine that flies because apparently that actually was in the news then yeah somebody had had stowed away

to fly to silicon valley did they land in like san jose or something yeah they did catch the guy apparently so but i couldn't find the like a story of it in the year 2000 but actually recently there was a man apparently from one of the african countries i believe the place used to be called the congo or is no it's whatever anyway he stowed away in one and did not die and people were like holy shit this guy didn't die but like when i looked up online like a wikipedia has a list of people who have stowed away in planes and what happens to them usually it's in the wheel well uh not in the jet engine and most of them die you either freeze to death or you fall out of the plane and the few that don't freeze to death they basically nearly freeze to death and are then resuscitated in a hospital and then placed under arrest so don't try to hide in wheel wells guys it doesn't

work out for you but just like in the film marge is given a gorgeous designer dress for free. And meanwhile, Artie is dressed just like their prom. And that's when Artie reveals his master plot. Where are you taking me? We're taking a trip through time. Forwards? No. Backwards! To the sexy 70s!

Oh my God! Artie, it's our senior prime. I can't believe he's paying us a thousand bucks to pretend it's the 70s. Disco Stu is working pro bono. Marge, many years ago, I turned a groovy night into a complete bummer. Tonight, you get the prom you always deserved. Precious and few are the

moments we need. That's very sweet, Artie. Come, dear. We can dance all night. The band hasn't worked since the rap party for James at 16. Some say they're cursed. So, uh... Al Jean episodes take us so long because we have 800 references to explain uh two songs in that clip uh disco inferno and a cover of precious

and few one other thing to note is that uh david silverman who directed the way we was the original episode with the prom he is at pixar at this time he's co-directing monsters inc he comes back to work on storyboards for this episode so he has a hand in this as well and as well i don't know how he's able to work at pixar and for fox at the same time but they wanted him on this episode because it was a sequel to that famous uh season two episode yeah that he directed and they're just taking from his designs i can see that mcmullen maybe just sent him like hey this looks okay right this this is based on the i mean because it is the same prom that in the silverman original episode way we was like it's the goodbye yellow brick road theme uh even yeah man though that okay disco inferno come on that is so like that's like the fucking minions dance

to that like isn't that funny yeah listen to that if want to be pedantic, and we will be pedantic, their prom was in 74. Disco Inferno was in 76. Could they have danced to a song that didn't exist, I ask? I think not. I don't think so. Got their ass. Yes, exactly.

Now we talk about James at 16. A great pull because it's so obscure. No one remembers it. I didn't know it at all one season critically acclaimed it started with a tv movie called james at 15 and it was like what is a teenage boy's life uh like in these crazy decade of the 70s so yeah one season aired in the 77 78 season and that was it and that's why the band is cursed and by the way the band is the larry davis experience in their same clothes uh from the way we was that's great but uh different colors so they come back and the

limo driver comes back driving the just take me home cab that's the you know the only the only other thing i know i noticed about james of 15 reading about it online was that kevin williamson the creator of dawson's creek said it inspired that for him which i watched a lot of dawson's creek back in my day so that's hey i at least appreciate it for that and then oh my god just to get another fucking movie reference in here when Homer's running to her they gotta have like it's not the actual music but it's the strum on the guitar Paul Simon kind of thing and just like for the graduate like they have to do a graduate reference on top of that like and they did this one in the fugu fish episode right when he gets out of jail yeah yeah just do it i'm like guys if you're going to

do an episode long a decent proposal thing don't have more movie references why why parody should not happen in the middle of your parody it just gets it muddles things a bit but so homer arrives but he gets thrown out by mr don de linger their principal, who's working as a bouncer on this. And I love that he says, have you been drinking just for 25 years? That's a great line. So then Artie decides to make his move. Marge turns him down. And instead of taking this very respectfully, Artie does not listen to her and kisses her on the mouth.

You're very sweet, but no fake prom could make me forget my husband. I'm sorry. Very well, Marge. I see you'll never feel about moi the way I feel about toi. But before the evening ends, may I request an innocent peck on the cheek? Okay. Oh, no. If Marge marries Artie, I'll never be born.

I wish they would have stuck with Homer, that being his mentality in season, I'm sorry, Act 3. Yeah, that he thinks he's just in Back to the Future. That's such a great joke. I love, they credit it to Tom Gamble. Something I remember, we talked about Dondalinger, we talked about the episode The Front. This was, someone reminded me of this on Twitter recently, where in The Front, Homer goes to get his college diploma, his GED, because he never actually got it. The end of the episode features them going to their 50th reunion.

The chyron on the screen reads, Springfield, 2024. Yes. Wow. As an elderly Marge and Homer go to their 50th high school reunion. And Homer has a plunger on his head. So, folks, 18 months. We're probably there in 18 months.

We'll see you there. Yeah. Ooh, boy, man. 18 months we're probably there in 18 months we'll see you there yeah oh boy man it is funny that the simpsons have become like like their former comic book brethren in that the timeline has been adjusted you know that like oh reed richards wasn't working he wasn't working on the space race in the 1960s he's now he's working on plastics in the 1980 you know that the punisher didn't go to vietnam he didn't serve in vietnam no he went to desert storm yeah with that sliding timeline it really helps that america's been in like perpetual war for 20 years because then you can just say like no no the the punisher is like in his mid-30s because he went he was in one he was in the middle east uh since at some point in the last 20 years.

Easy, easy joke. Yeah, it's one of the things that I do think is great about Grant Morrison's Batman run. That they propose the idea of if all of this counted, if it all counts, it would surely drive a man insane. Yes. If he had to have all that information in his head at once he would go insane if he had to be all 70 years of batman at that point now it's and now it's just been another decade yeah it got that line of thinking out of my head i was like okay that's what it's like so just take this stuff uh as if uh every time a new writer comes on they're rebooting it

all right don't try to do the it all counts because they're going to reboot it in three years anyway it was a different time uh in 2002 uh but i'm not like uh freaking out or anything or like losing my mind but it is very uncomfortable to hear a character kind of like force himself on marge yes yeah when that was like a comedic device like oh the nerd kissed me gross but it's just like just hearing it without the the comic visuals just like oh this is uncomfortable yeah it's just uncomfortable like you're i think they even back then they're trying to cut through any scare of it of marge like slapping his face and like get off me you little nerd again to make it clear like marge doesn't feel physically threatened and there's a crowd there too there's a crowd and

so it's not like something that weighs heavily on marge as in you know that she's like it doesn't go to too dark of a territory with it just because arty is such a little nerd but it makes it more uncomfortable when the more time they spend together later i i think uh just but yeah i i also that line of like i knew this weekend was just an excuse to get in my mouth. Like, ooh, that's it's kind of a funny phrase, but not in this situation. Yeah, I was going to say a more lighthearted moment. I'm like, oh, I don't think I like to see Homer cry. I think it makes me sad when Homer cries, though.

Like you said earlier, Bob, that full turnaround of arty seeing everybody judging him like at least that's come up it's in a way because something when we redid it the way we was in season two last year a downer about it is that arty assaults marge on their sexually assaults yeah and he didn't just slap her around and and on their prom night and then he convinces her to not tell anybody because it would damage the town to hear it. So Marge just keeps it a secret, as sadly many women had to in the 70s or, you know, that was the culture then. But it was a bummer to watch it now of like, oh, so nobody found out that guy was a creep? Like, that's gross.

So at the very least in this moment, everybody gets to see, oh, this guy is a creep. Okay. So at least he's like the truth is revealed and marge isn't forced by society to keep it a secret anymore at least there's that i'm trying to be on the positive yeah yeah the betrayal of again sexual assault in this episode but uh and also the strap on marge's uh dress is ripped for the rest of time she wears it a reference to the episode as well so then and then also arty does a very involved dance sequence which just feels like showing off by the animators but it's like very

very wacky really just dancing in silence yes yeah yeah yeah that that i think was one of the things they were complaining about being a complicated sequence yeah i mean it does look that way i i do like wiggum's reaction of like, he's going to sleep tonight. One more thing about that prom. They didn't get the memo, I think, but Luann and Kirk Van Houten are there together as a couple. Yeah, yeah. So odd. But they'll get back together eventually. But they're just there.

It was kind of distracting for me, knowing at this point in the series they were still broken up. You know, let's say you already paid them a bunch of money to go together. Yeah. Everyone knows that on and off couple where it's like oh they're back together again you know then in a very wacky act three change all of a sudden homer decides well time to give up on my life and leave springfield forever and get a new job so it very act three just on a dime turns into Homer gets a new job episode. The only stuff that I love about this is how Lenny agrees to all of these. Like, sounds good to me.

I'm out of here. Lenny's got a death wish. He does not value his life at all. Yeah, there's a real darkness to Lenny here. He needs more validation from Carl, I think. See, when Carl's out of the room, that's when Lenny makes bad decisions. Yeah, some great Carl stuff towards the end of the episode. I also do love Moe's line,

well, if it makes you feel any better, he's probably doing it right now. Make me the bad guy. Yeah, that's a good line. So Lenny just agrees out of nowhere to leave with Homer. They're going to leave town. They're out of there.

Leave town forever. Forever, yes. So then Marge comes home, and this is when we have another very random, but I think funny joke here in our next clip. I saw Marge kissing a far superior man. Well, if it makes you feel any better, he's probably doing it right now.

Oh, yeah, make me the bad guy. My life here is over. Lenny, how'd you like to leave town with me and never come back? Sounds like a plan. Then it's settled. We leave Springfield forever. What'd I miss? Anything good? That's $912. that's 912 dollars send the bill to baron von kissel art no problemo this just arrived herr baron okay who's the wise guy

that joke uh pitched by david merkin very very silly but i like it i think it all hinges on the design the large lipped design of baron von kissel seeing that he's holding the bill that says this is a bill written on it just in case you were confused would family guy have done that exact joke yes yes they would have it is a cutaway yeah and it's a cutaway but the simpsons cutaways before family guy was a twinkle in seth mcfar's beautiful eyes. Yes, yeah, and his wonderful singing voice. I, you know, my Prime Simpsons watching years were like 12 to 17, 18. I loved all the wacky Simpsons. I loved the, like, more the later wacky years.

Like, I just liked a lot of jokes, you know? Looking back as we comb through this episode i'm like yeah like a third of these are fucking gen x boomer nonsense references that like yeah i wouldn't have known about david at 16 or whatever that movie was um but i certainly liked baron kiss is it baron kiss a lot von kiss a lot i liked uh that shit a lot and And then, yeah, the gag where Carl comes out of the bathroom is really good. There's like two more big Carl jokes coming up. Yeah, the helicopter thing at the end, my laugh of the show, I think. Well, you know, speaking of other great lines, too.

So Marge comes home and she watches a video. Marge, if you're watching this, then it means I figured out how to work the camera. Last night I crashed a certain fake prom. That's right. Artie Ziff's fake prom. Homer was there? I saw something terrible and I can't even say it. So I'll have these two dolls do it for me.

Kiss me, Artie. With pleasure. Hummer's a big jerk. But I can explain. I'm leaving you, Marge. The next time you see my name, we'll be in the hobo obituaries. Don't worry about the kids. I'll drop them off with Patty and Selma.

Patty and Selma? Screw that. Just run the camera, you little... Goodbye, my darling. What they don't say on the commentary is, oh yeah, they just did this in the movie. Except you switch Marge and Homer's positions. They did it in the Simpsons movie the except you switch margin homer's positions they did it in the simpsons movie so it's kind of redundant i i i think them not saying it feels like algin going

like oh shit ripped ourselves off for the movie uh-oh but i love homer saying if you're watching this it means i figured out how to work the camera last night i crashed a certain fake prom that's right arty ziff's fake prom like that's a great that's a great line a certain fake prom that's right arty ziff's fake problem one of the more disturbing jokes is uh because bart is working the camera uh homer finds a reason to strangle him but he's strangling bart while crying it's disturbing to say yes yeah i it's very messed up and also that homer's going to be found in the hobo obituaries. That's a great line too. And we see the return of Funzo in Homer's little act out.

Funzo from the Christmas episode a couple years back. And I also like that the dinosaur that he gives Marge's voice actually is kind of drawn to have Marge's like features. Like it actually looks a little like Marge. At least in like the eye and mouth layout. Yeah. But yeah, Homer strangling Bart while crying. That's messed up. at least in like the eye and mouth layout yeah but yeah homer strangling bart while crying that's

messed up and then well in the middle of our indecent proposal parody it's time for a little midnight cowboy why not right let's just go straight to there's a uh not to get too deep into this there's like a very bizarre like dissolve to the next scene where like the scene closes around marge's head and then the background around her is pink and then it dissolves to the next scene where like the scene closes around marge's head and then the background around her is pink and then it dissolves to the next scene and marge is reflected in the window is that for midnight cowboy i don't think it's for midnight cowboy i think it's just a mess i think the animation i think it was supposed to be a full dissolve but like it came back bad so you have to do it in the edit yeah it just it just seems so bizarre like it was i guess it was a

mistake but definitely wasn't like a fantasy cut like that in midnight cowboy like it's a very midnight cowboy is a very grounded movie i haven't seen it in a long time but the whole point of it is that it's like grounded and all that and yeah i would guess uh lenny is the ratso rizzo in this sequence here he's not dying he's just happily enjoying he's not dying of tuberculosis he wants to die yeah but yeah a quick death. Yeah, I don't. Some of these things, Indies in Proposal, Midnight Cowboy, it's like I've never gotten around to watching these movies. But I have seen countless references from a generation of comedy writers who agree, like, these are one of 20 references we make. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner and greener.

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But it's like, you guys made us see all these Midnight Cowboy references. I mean, the Zoomers now, if there's a scene where someone's on a bus and you hear like acoustic guitar noodling, they're not going to get it. No, no. They'd say like, oh, is that that reference to that Seinfeld that ends with that? Like, is that what the reference is? I think a Minion could have done that. Yeah.

Is that a Jack Harlow song? But also it's like, okay, so they're on Midnight Cowboy bus, but they're going to Five Easy Pieces. So it's like, no no you have to pick 170 1969 or 1970 film you can't pick you can't do them together and it's all housed within the indecent proposal parody yes it's too much there's a lot going on aljean calm it down just a little bit you know just pick and choose you can just do a little but this is where we see the idea of mount carl war that lenny carved over a certain summer and never told Carl about it. They're really building upon their deep, deep bond with each other.

Lenny is just in romantic love with Carl at this point. Yeah. Yeah. They arrive at a oil rig, which is, that's a reference to the Jack Nicholson film, Five Easy Pieces. He's a drifter who works on an oil rig and it's very dangerous dangerous and there's a great sign dangerous work free burial i like that and also that the bus line is called suck you bus which it's clever you got a name of us that's a good name for it then they walk by a bunch of guys who have hooks replacing their hands including a man with a hook for a head which uh that's that's a little too silly i feel like matt graining would

have killed that joke if he had been a little more involved. And they get assigned to Oil Rig 13 just as soon as they burn off the corpses. And I love Lenny saying, quick and pointless, that's a death for me. But then we fade back over to the Simpsons trying to find Homer.

Thank you, you've been very helpful. Dad just got a library card in West Springfield. He checked out ten books on oil rigging and a book called Dying for Dummies. He must have taken a job in the West Springfield oil patch. That's practically a death sentence. What happened now? Homer bowled a 300 game?

Grandpa, that happened a year and a half ago. We have to go save Homer. But Wes Springfield's three times the size of Texas. We'll never find him there. Unless... I really appreciate you helping me find Homer. Think nothing of it, Marge. I hope we can always be friends.

Of course. With privileges? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Does that work on anyone? No. But when it does, hello! I love that joke about West Springfield being three times the size of Texas.

I loved when they started trolling us about, like like here's where springfield really is like just making nonsense geography nonsense architecture like i i just thought i always like that i love it too yeah yeah i also really enjoyed the grandpa joke uh they're doing a lot of jokes around this era where the characters kind of lose track of what the actual story is like what happened he's remembering an episode from season 11 instead yeah and like just marge just gets annoyed like no that was 18 months ago it's so good uh i i yeah that uh i also speak of things they were doing a lot then unless right people always go unless or uh blank a yes yeah a lot of a lot of plots turn on an unless or a blank a also to let you

know you know obviously friends with benefit jokes very old now but in 2002 or 2001 relatively fresh idea of friends with benefits or fuck buddies in the dirtier part choose your movie there's two of them oh yes yeah which which do you would you rather see ashton kutcher with mila kunis or natalie portman with uh man who is no switch it switch it it's justin timberlake mila kunis ashton kutcher and natalie portman thank you i got the real life couple of mila kunis and ashton kutcher mixed up as in being in that movie together. I'm just going to rent Black Swan, call it a night. Hey, that's the couple I want to see. I got to say, I like Mia Lacuna, so I think she's very funny. But Natalie Portman, of those four,

Natalie Portman acting circles around, like not even the same ball game. Yeah, it seems like an easy paycheck for her in her Fuck Buddies movies. But yes, the friends with privileges is their own version of that joke. So they go to save Homer. This is when, I think it's a great gag that they aren't killed working on the oil rig for normal reasons. They raise their goggles in triumph which then creates a magnifying glass effect to light an ant on fire who runs into an anthill that explodes with all

these fiery ants that then light all the oil on fire one small moment i enjoyed is that when the ants go into the oil they're briefly relieved and then the fire just explodes from the oil that's great you can hear all their little vocalizing yes yeah but they're not subtitled like the other ants gag from the simpsons ah yeah my mind these screaming ants you know the screams don't need subtitles yeah we know what they yeah yeah yeah yeah apparently graining did not like the screaming ants he didn't like it animals making noises graining's not a fan but uh and i also oh yeah did you not know this uh jason he i well i think everyone has their pet peeves and

their pet obsessions uh but no i just never it never dawned on me i was just thinking like oh if i had to write a simpsons script if i I got farmed out a script, is it intrinsic to The Simpsons that the episode starts somewhere else and the meat of the story does not come along until later? Or is that a later season innovation? Is that like a post-season five innovation? Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I think if you examine the series,

maybe around like even season two, they were doing it. It wasn't like a commonplace uh formula yet but it wasn't like a newer idea for the show and they say uh the writers admit like yeah it's a cheat so you only have to write one act break that matters yeah like your first act break is like here's the story second act break is like here's the tension so it was a big cheat for them but then it became like a fun uh almost like seinfeld style mystery is like where will this lead us where will this first act take us and sometimes it even leads to a famous jingle on a podcast which i never get to play i bet you didn't see that coming sorry that was very loud i apologize but you know every episode

is that so uh we don't have to play it that often. No, I kind of stopped playing it. I was like, well, that's every episode. But having Homer say, I bet you didn't see that coming, that was then rubbing it in your face the most. I also love the line, this is how faceless Joe lost his legs. That's another good joke. So Marge tries to convince Homer to not die.

He actually pulls Lenny off of the ladder and says, like, no, we're both dying here. And Lenny's fine. He's just like, he's content. He's like, okay, sure. Yeah. Yeah. I suppose the emotional stakes of this scene is, but I had to really dig deep to get it. I was like, oh, yeah, the emotional stake of this scene is Artie wants Homer to die

so then he can have marge all to himself and then he makes the uh the righteous decision of letting convincing homer not to die and be with marge but you just hate arty so much for what he did to marge that i i don't care that he yeah his better angel ran one out i'm like now fuck this guy like that's that's all i was thinking in this moment yeah but he convinces homer to get on the helicopter and lenny won't do it because there's nothing on that helicopter for me which then carl says don't be so sure which lenny goes carl carlson which already had been established as his name in in season 11 so this was not the naming of carl carlson the lenny leonard

is not officially his name yet uh that'll be season 15 yeah okay yeah that's just a very funny there's a lot of lenny carl lenny and carl moments in this and uh yeah he's they're the best they love each other very much they're very uh they're still not officially a gay couple yet in the show the most i was yeah in in a recent in the most recent season the closest i could see uh think of was they have a party uh smithers has a new boyfriend who's a rich old guy all right they're then they're at the party and you know all the ladies are asking her uh smithers's boyfriend who's a fashion guy like oh give me catty reviews on my clothes and all that and they're like what do you think of this what do you think of that lenny says hey what do you think of my top indicating his t-shirt okay but the gay man looks behind him and sees carl and

thinks that's what lenny is asking about and he's like good good choice is what he replies so a gay man thinks they're gay but they're still not actually a couple yet okay but all right they they still they got to go there soon but uh but okay yeah we got our last our last clip here as a happy ending of of homer being told he could not get this money now i believe there's a little matter of the million dollars we can't take his money. Oh, I can't take his money. I can't print my own money. I have to work for money. Why don't I just lie down and die?

Now, Homer, if there's one thing you should have learned from all this, it's that I'm rich, rich, rich! And now... I bid you... adieu! I'm Artie Ziff! I gotta hand it to Artie Ziff, Marge. That little nerd saved my life.

And our marriage, with his latest invention, the snore converter. Good night, homie. Good night, homie. Good night, honey. He's a loser, Marge. Dump him. I traveled the world in the seven seas. I am watching you through a camera. That's a creepy ending there.

Yeah. I mean, Artie comes back. He comes back in a few years after this. I rewatched a recent one from 2020, like early 2020, where surprisingly the Artie thing is the B plot. They don't spend a lot of time on, but Artie gets married and the reveal is the woman he's marrying looks just like Marge the later reveal is he has built a lot of Marge robots so a Stepford Wives parody uh no actually nothing like that at all they don't go there but uh yeah it's such a musty old movie I figured Al Jean must have referenced yes but uh he he avoided that but

yeah oddly enough uh most of the episode is about lisa getting like invisalign or whatever huh uh it makes her smile which makes people like her more what does she need invisalign for she already got her braces uh march points out that was actually an unlicensed periodontist that gave her braces the first time at least they answered that problem yes but yeah uh that's his most recent appearance uh just two years ago man so okay i i know two seasons later that's when he comes back poor because the dot-com bubble burst, and that's the joke they do. But to know they gave him a 2020 episode, that's interesting.

Yeah, I got to say, the line I alluded to earlier, I can't take his money, I can't print my own money. I have to work for money. Why don't I just lie down and die? I have been saying that i have been saying i can't do this i can't do that why don't i just lie down and die for years and uh my girlfriend was not my girlfriend is not a simpsons kid so the first time i said that i i forgot about it and i was like why don't i just lie down and die? She's like, what? And I'm like, no, sorry.

Sorry, I forgot. You don't have. Yes. We have a few different points of reference. Okay. I'm quoting Homer. I'm not suicidal. Yeah, I'm quoting Homer.

I'm not making a mountain out of this very, whatever negligible thing we were talking about. I mean, I love that reaction. That is the kids would say is a vibe of just like i can't print my own money i have to work for money why don't i just lie down and die like that's such a great and again i'm with homer you take the money you did i i guess marge didn't stay the whole weekend but just just take a million dollars from a jerk who cares it's a million dollars like he'll still be a jerk either way just take the money that's that's still how i feel but i feel that all of the all of the arty zip appliances uh brainwash wives into leaving their husbands if you leave them on long enough

you'll hear the secret messages so you know an indecent proposal what happens is demy more's character realizes she actually just has a thing for Robert Redford. And so she starts dating him and does leave. And Woody Harrelson is so jealous that she decides to leave him for Robert Redford anyway. But then Woody Harrelson wins her back because he gives away the million dollars to charity to prove that it wasn't about the money for him and her and so then they get back together and it's a happy ending though they still all of their money problems still exist at the end of the movie but they don't really talk about that and that charity was the cuckoldry association yeah that seems like a very convoluted ending i feel like they

didn't want him to give away the money in a way that was bad so they he actually like uh it's it is a endangered species auction hosted by billy connelly playing billy connelly he's like it's me billy connelly i'm the funny mc of this thing and you folks enjoying the movie yeah we're an x3 don't go anywhere strange it's very strange looking back some of the things where it's like you know they don't make movies like this they don't make movies anymore like mature stuff for adults and it's like this is the details of indecent proposal all right no it yeah it's kind of honestly it's kind of a boring movie and honestly you don't even get enough skin like you know woody harrelson and dememore both incredibly attractive at that time and still to this day i don't want to make it sound like they're ugly now but you barely get any like you get one sex scene in it like come on i'm seeing an r-rated movie

called a decent proposal i want to see sex hey she recovered from uh nothing but trouble you know i'm just glad she was in a hit movie movie 1994 in general i think this is an episode full of really funny lines like and there's some really funny stuff in it i just wish aljean just relaxed on the movie references just calm it down just a little bit have a little more confidence in your story only stick to an indecent proposal thing if that's what you're gonna do i think he just had a like a critic notebook full of unused ideas i think you're right yeah i think you're right but uh i i give it a thumbs up i like this better than the last couple gene episodes we've we've done yeah there's been a few uh not so great ones uh i do like this and i love uh i don't love john lovitz as a person but i like

his performances and again go to that yelp uh the yelp page for his comedy club you'll see him getting into it he's a commenter and some of the funniest writing he's done in a while the internet has made everyone a poster even john lovitz and i love it for that any final thoughts jason no i think you know i always i think a lot of people cut off the simpsons at like season nine i always went a little further and went to behind the laughter but it is nice to be be remembered like, oh, yeah, in the teens, in the early teens, there's some really solid stuff. You know, there's stuff that I was like laughing at in high school of like, oh, yeah, there's still funny Simpsons episodes.

You know, I still have an unconscious impulse Sunday nights of like, oh, should I? The Fox animation block is on. And now I'm old enough that i have friends working on those shows and so it's like oh yeah it's always kind of been i only remember the simpsons on thursday nights when i was very very young and then i was not allowed to watch it because they curse sometimes and then uh i think by the time i came back around, it had moved to Sunday nights. Yeah. Too bawdy. Too bawdy.

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