Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Homer Vs. The 18th Amendment With OSWReview's Jay And V1

Episode Date: November 21, 2018

St. Patrick's Day is here a little early on the podcast, and we're joined by Ireland's own Jay Hunter and Stephen "V1" Roe of OSW Review, the old school wrestling video podcast. They share with us the...ir love of The Simpsons, as well as their thoughts on the shows tributes(?) to the Irish in this four-leaf clover of an episode. We chat about prohibition, exploding chippers, pinching, The Untouchables, and so much more! So grab a Duff and listen now! Support this podcast and get hundreds of bonus ad-free episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 hey everybody right before the show wanted to let you know we have an update to our patreon a brand new monthly movie podcast is available now for ten dollar and up patrons at patreon.com slash talking simpsons you want to hear me and bob talk all about mask of the phantasm the best batman movie of all time you can hear all about that in our long, almost three hours long podcast, patreon.com slash Talking Simpsons. I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, where we never touch our banana kabooms. I'm your host, Wiggum charm-haver Bob Mackey, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who is here with me today? Well, if you're asking if I'm Henry Gilbert, I'm Gil Diddley-Ilty as Char Diddley-Arged, Bob.
Starting point is 00:01:09 You sound drunk to me, Henry. And who do we have on the line? Oh, I'm Seamus, Ross from Friends' Irish cousin. So we're all doing each other. Full putt out for old Seamus. And it's hello, it's Jay Hunter from OSW Review. And? And Potato Man.
Starting point is 00:01:26 It's your boy, V1. Yes, we're the drunken Irish podcasters of Springfield. Watch out everybody, they're Irish. And today's episode is Homer vs. the 18th Amendment. You're out there somewhere, beer baron, and I'll find you. No, you won't. Yes, I will. Won't. find you no you won't yes i will today's episode aired on march 16th 1997 and as always henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history oh my god oh boy bobby the
Starting point is 00:02:00 pipes are calling john grisham's the partner Partner tops the New York Times bestsellers list. Castlevania Symphony of the Night is first released in Japan. And American animation is changed forever by the Cartoon Network launching its Toonami block of programming. Oh, corrupting children with Japanese programming. Also, you should have said, oh, Bobby boy, the pipes are calling. Darn it. Now, you can't edit it back in. I'm sorry. Those are the rules.
Starting point is 00:02:25 So, I mean, there's a lot going on here. What was the first thing? It was so meaningless to me. John Grisham was the partner. Boo. Yeah, he was the Tom Clancy of law talking guys. Yeah, I don't know what ever happened to that guy. And then Castlevania Symphony of the United, quite a great game. I think we all remember
Starting point is 00:02:42 that one. Yeah, so now it's out again for I believe PlayStation 4. Yeah. You gotta now it's out again for i believe playstation 4 yeah you gotta play it all over again with rondo of blood without the bad money once again but you don't get the fun bad dub i'm sorry it's the new dub which i'm sure is still bad in its own way because it's video game voice acting and then toonami was such a in america toonami was such a huge deal when it started airing as a block of action cartoons. First with Thundercats and Voltron. No true current, then current anime.
Starting point is 00:03:14 But it would be the launching ground for Dragon Ball Z, Gundam Wing. These major shows that really... Inuyashitu that introduced Japanese animation to americans in a way they never really had before on a scale that hadn't happened before yeah the fall of 98 i believe dragon ball z would launch on toonami it was funny how toonami would take these things that failed in syndication failed to get anyone watching it they became huge smashes on cable where people could actually find it so yeah thank you to nami for your service was to nami a programming block in your neck of the woods guys i i don't think so yeah like
Starting point is 00:03:50 it's a name that i've definitely heard but it doesn't really mean anything over here you know i think i had a hard drive called to nami 16th march 97 that was a week that was the weekend before wrestlemania 13. oh my goodness. Wow. But wait a minute, guys. Before you even start talking about wrestling, you have to talk about who you are
Starting point is 00:04:13 and why this show is going to be probably 30% wrestling, even though we already did our wrestling show with Bret Hart. We recorded it already. Yeah, but the listeners won't hear that for about a month. Yes, so the joke's on you, listener. We have so many good stories about Bret Hart, at least one of them so guys who are you uh where do you come from and uh what is your relationship with the show well i'm jay hunter from osw review and you are sir i'm v1 also from osw review who'd have thought it um so we chronologically oh my
Starting point is 00:04:40 god i'm gonna just hot dog about the spiel yeah yeah so we chronologically critique wrestling storylines. We do a roundtable podcast and that's synced to video. It's like a documentary format about old wrestling. Currently we're going through the Lex Express mid-1993, all of that.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Oh my god, it's awful. It's the best. To all of our listeners that don't know what the OSW review is, can you explain what that is at least 40 percent is it is simpsons yes yeah but what does osw stand for guys you're thank you yes all right yeah thank you i know what that is but people listening might not i started watching you guys because i'm a big time wrestling fan and i loved your from the beginning like your look back which now you've been doing it since like 2011 uh looking back on classic WWF starting with the
Starting point is 00:05:32 Royal Hulkamania area but all your stuff is just so funny and and very in-depth which is things we try to go for on this podcast too and Simpsons references abound on that show like i that you just throw out there in the kind of simpsons second language like me and bob talking quite a lot too like i like especially lisa but especially that's people would ask us about osw and botchamania as well as like how can we use so many simpsons quotes and that it's like if you grew up in the 90s you'd understand like it was the pinnacle of pop culture absolutely for the entire decade i don't think how can we use so many Simpsons quotes? If you grew up in the 90s, you'd understand. It was the pinnacle of pop culture for the entire decade. I don't think it's possible to be our age
Starting point is 00:06:11 and not have watched most of the first 10 to 12 seasons of The Simpsons a million times each. We just watched them over and over again, and so they're drilled into my head. So many have five channels back in the 90s. Yeah, pretty much. Most of them English. english yeah like tv landscape vastly different than it is today and before the simpsons you know like prime time animation didn't exist well for us anyway it was just like the flintstones in what the 60s and then the jetsons and that was it so
Starting point is 00:06:39 this kind of kicked off everything yeah four of those channels were just eastenders reruns right oh my god i will have you know that over here we have our own so-called fair city it's bollocks it's absolute tripe i'm glad every country has one of those means we are award-winning simpsons fans oh my god yeah i'm bringing it up yeah bring it oh my god yeah so back in uh college wasn't in like first or second year in college, myself and Jay and a few mates entered into a Simpsons quiz and we bloody won it.
Starting point is 00:07:13 Wait, how many? We entered four times because we had to go up against like philosophy students. And think about the amount of time they have. People who literally did nothing in college show up on a Wednesday at at half 11 for you know like a half an hour sermon or something like that and uh yeah so we we entered i believe we i believe it was a tie and i didn't want you to bring that up jay had to do the bart man
Starting point is 00:07:41 in order to win it was bollocks that was a tie. We were like six ahead in the last round. He knocked it out of the fucking park, by the way. And the other guy did an itchy and scratchy rendition. It was terrible. So like sing the entire song, do the Bartman? Yeah, I got up on the table and gyrated. And so it worked out well. I left my body.
Starting point is 00:08:03 But I heard it won. And we won what? A six pack of Tuborg? We won beer. We got this Homer bobblehead trophy. And the Simpsons book as well. We got the complete guide to the Simpsons. Actually, only one of us did.
Starting point is 00:08:16 It was Dilbert and here's Garfield. And there you go. Wasn't Tuborg Homer's Eastern European co-worker? What is it like watching the simpsons in in ireland like is is it very popular there too i would assume then well i'm on my own i think in season 30 here i'm still going strong wow never missed an episode and what no one talks about the only people only talk about season one to ten yeah the sim The Simpsons in Ireland has been pretty much, don't want to say dead,
Starting point is 00:08:48 but it's been hanging on for at least 16, 17 years. I gave up watching it. I believe the last episode that I watched was one that Jay forced on me. It's the one where Marge goes to the manatees or something like that. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:09:04 And I'm just like, that's it. I'm done. I'm tapping out. Leave me with my memories of the first 12 seasons or something. And I'll be happy enough there. Oh, it gets so much worse, Steve. Oh my God. You know your man from Parks and Rec, Ron? He's in an
Starting point is 00:09:20 episode and he sings a shanty with Bart and Homer. They go on to fix their relationship. They go on to fix their relationship they go on to a ship cruise oh oh my god oh like that tested me i was curious too how much of it translated over there but also because i remember reading in 2016 i looked this back up but it was the irish post they did an article like celebrating the simpsons anniversary some anniversary like here's the best irish references and the majority of them were either about like murdering the irish or or racism racism against the irish so i also wondered how much the anti the joking anti-irish sentiment
Starting point is 00:10:00 of the simpsons carried over there oh it's hilarious. I love whenever they mention the Irish. It's brilliant. They're all really funny jokes as well. Irish people don't usually get pissed off. We're... We'd be quite difficult. Yeah, we're pretty good at taking a joke, you know? So, you know, most of the time we'll just have a laugh.
Starting point is 00:10:18 And the church is all in good fun. Exactly. That's great. Well, I want to talk a bit about Prohibition before we get into this episode because it's all about that. A minor, minor history lesson. So between 1920 and 1933, it was enforced in America. What a huge mistake.
Starting point is 00:10:32 Because I'm an overeducated asshole, I took a class in college on the 1920s. of our anti-drug laws is it was a very racist policy in which these scary lesser races were coming to America like Italians and the Irish and they were drinking the blood of their God during their bizarre rituals and eating his body we have to stop this and their smaller brains will not
Starting point is 00:11:00 react well to the alcohol and they will take our pure Germanic white women so we need to shut down drinking and shut it down for good and that's what happened but in those 13 years in america but everybody was drinking yeah everybody was just drinking privately because you can't really make drugs go away and it made a lot of like criminals rich was yes but it only took him 13 years to to end it eventually but thanks to that we got all these all these movies and tv shows talking about how awesome it was i will say there were some benefits
Starting point is 00:11:31 to it because uh women did not have a lot of rights women were still sort of the property of their husbands like my husband won't stop beating me but maybe he'll do it less if he doesn't drink every day so yes that was one of the good things that came out of Prohibition. But also it was curtailing our right, our freedom to drink, as Marge says. So it was a minor history lesson. And we really just leaned into drinking after that. Watch your Mad Men TV shows of that era. And drinking was just a part of life after that. There was a lot of Irish and Irish-American gangsters that got really big from Prohibition, like Legs Diamonds.
Starting point is 00:12:04 You know, he was shot after being like Legs Diamond. He was shot after being acquitted in court. It was really weird. And his thing was wearing a trilby hat, and so maybe that's where Homer got it. It was kind of a 1920s thing. There was Mad Dog Call. He was from Donegal as well. And he was into awful
Starting point is 00:12:19 stuff, like murdering and kidnapping as well as bootlegging and that kind of stuff. And Dion O'B'bannon who was shot by al capone's goons oh there you go oh he's got to talk about prohibition in ireland and also america's favorite irish american family the kennedys made a lot of money off that too that's right and people thought they had secret ties to the Pope and the Pope was going to rule America. The idea of people fearing Catholics is so funny because we just had a major fight in the White House
Starting point is 00:12:53 to get a mega Catholic in the Supreme Court. Like, that pure Catholic man, he's a practicing Catholic. How can you not trust a Catholic? Don't look into what the church is doing. Don't look at any recent allegations, but Catholicism will rule. As long as you have no follow- into what the church is doing. Don't look at any recent allegations, but Catholicism will rule. As long as you have no follow-up questions, that is correct.
Starting point is 00:13:10 How big was this ruler that was going to hit people with? From this point on, there are no questions. This episode's really only one act about the Irish in St. Patrick's Day, but I do think it's like it continued the Simpsons' long tradition of the Irish stuff stuff i figured it really
Starting point is 00:13:25 got a start on the show because al jean is of irish descent and of course conan o'brien conan o'brien is irish and so you would never guess it would you and he just doesn't turn well he's a big friendly pale fella and so they never come up frankly so they go so hard on the irish stuff and then they they only upped it more once al jean returned to the show like al jean also famously he's i think he loves his irish heritage so much that went on his second marriage he went their honeymoon was in the cottage where they filmed the quiet man wherever that is and you know but that's that's how much he loves it and same with um they they they went in a 2009 episode the simpsons they go to ireland and buy a pub there and i don't know if you guys
Starting point is 00:14:12 recall that one i have seen that one it's been uh almost a decade that's when they're like oh ireland doesn't drink anymore so it's about the smoking ban what's i mean is that still a thing and you can't smoke in bars here in america still yeah i came in here was it 2002 i think uh caused absolute chaos for like a couple of months and then now it's just you know like a part of everyday life so yeah you can't smoke in bars pubs restaurants you can't smoke anywhere indoors where there's somebody working it's works out good because your clothes don't you go to a pub and your clothes don't smell of smoke but you go in and everyone you smell everyone's bio i forgot about that yeah what i consider a new episode which is actually a decade old now in season 20 they did a second saint patrick's day and in that
Starting point is 00:15:06 one it ended with homer getting caught in the middle of a fight between catholics and protestants at the event yeah they had a green leprechaun and an orange leprechaun oh he's actually good yeah i'm well impressed i don't think i've ever seen that one i think that's part you know that came along when i tapped out. I'll save my recommendations for next week. Needs more manatees. I guess last preface question before we get into it. Like, so in America, St. Patrick's Day is like, for kids, it's about wearing green and pinching. And for adults, it's for binge drinking.
Starting point is 00:15:39 Like, what is St. Patrick's Day in Ireland like? I have to say, like, in this episode, Bart gets drunk, and children being drunk on the street, that's real. I was actually shocked at how accurate this is. So over here, everybody gets a day off. Shops, work, everywhere is basically closed, and you just go out, you wear green, and you drink, and you vomit, out you you wear green and you drink and you vomit and some people fight so yeah
Starting point is 00:16:08 uh it's pretty fucking real and it's kind of like a the time dilation for saint patrick's day it's like a plus seven so at 5 p.m it feels like midnight oh wow that's how messy it is yeah yeah uh well when this episode begins we we start with the more innocent children's version of St. Patrick's Day. You sure look stupid in that green dress, Lise. That's funny. I don't feel stupid. Hey, everybody's wearing green. Oh, no. Happy St. Patrick's Day, loser!
Starting point is 00:17:03 Ow! Quit it! It's the wearing of the green, Bart! I have to wonder if this is still a thing in schools because I think inviting unwanted touching is something you want to discourage in children. I wonder. In this day and age, that's probably not the smartest thing. unwanted touching is something you want to discourage in children i wonder yeah in this day and age that's probably not the smartest thing yeah by the way this is very very new to us i i didn't know that pinching was no no it's not it's not an absolutely not a thing over here is that in america is that a thing in school for me which i was last in elementary school in 1992 so this is not probably and and neither bob or i have kids so we don't know but definitely when i was a kid it was if you were my mom warned me of it before my first like saint patrick's day at a school was hey you gotta wear something green or else they're allowed to pinch you that's just the kid rules it's a pinch like it's it's it's weird when i think back to it but
Starting point is 00:17:46 it's kind of like punch buggy or any of those like games that you create that allow violence on children if you don't wear green the catholics will steal your soul while you sleep they're known to do that i wonder today any listeners out there who have kids in america is this still a thing but it seems like you would tell kids not to do this and i would hope so i would also like to think that a parent wouldn't send their kid off not wearing something green you know yeah it's it's irresponsible gay or italian i love the palpable joy on lisa's face when she's saying nobody's pinching his legs like she's she's finally getting one on bart i love that and
Starting point is 00:18:25 isn't it so mean that like jimbo's in his regular black tee and purple hat and everyone's just bailing on bart yeah yeah this is kind of in an off-white like blue pants as well he's not really in green this first act is weird because it's all like it's such a green tint to everything so homer is kind of wearing such a light green shirt that it's barely green and so it it's such a green tint to everything so homer is kind of wearing such a light green shirt that it's barely green and so it it's more like they just put a wash over the whole thing and we did this episode for our st patrick's day live show back in march were you wearing green henry i was i was wearing green boxers just as a safety clause i didn't want to wear green that day but nobody touched me well actually jimbo not wearing
Starting point is 00:19:07 green and being left alone that is that i do remember was another aspect of it of like if you were if you were the tough kid in class it was almost like a challenge of like are you gonna pinch me because you're gonna you're gonna pay if you pinch me you technically can though by by child laws also nelson has a really good irish outfit for this i wonder if he has like an irish background or irish family member month seems german yeah doesn't it yeah i mean i know how the pinching works how are kisses distributed on saint patrick's day do you get them uh because you're irish you gotta wear a shirt that says kiss me i'm irish all right but meanwhile we go back to to the the real main events of St.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Patrick's Day, which is drinking before 9 a.m. It's been St. Patrick's Day for hours and I'm still not drunk yet. Oh, it's never going to be nine o'clock. Oh, no. Thank God you're here. We'd like to come in and drink, please. We kicked down the back door but
Starting point is 00:20:05 then it was a metal door all right listen up this is the busiest drinking day of the year where are the designated drivers beat it i got no room for cheapskates yeah all the life-saving nerds are shooed away and i've i've kind of only lived in college town since i was an adult and i i've grown to hate st patrick's day because of that, because I just, I love beer and I love drinking and I love alcohol, but I can't get on board with people being drunk in the morning.
Starting point is 00:20:32 Just like, what is even happening? When I'm in an airport and I see people like drinking at like when I have like a, I don't know, 9 a.m. flight, I'm like, what is going on? How can your body even take this? They don't open the off license until half 10 here so it's
Starting point is 00:20:48 like 9 a.m whoa yeah unless you go to the railway station early house yeah oh yeah yeah yeah early house opens at seven o'clock in the morning oh there you go there you go that's yeah so it is possible and also mo carrying his big bottle of green dye the poison the poison the poison sign is bigger than the word green dye like uh i well also yeah green beer that a thing over there too that's definitely a saint patrick's day staple here that is the thing over here you know you you'll find it more in you know kind of dublin city you know as you move out then people care less about green dye and it's more about just give me my fucking drink yeah it's about sitting in a pub and growling and drinking yeah drinking you know in like dublin city people coming in from other
Starting point is 00:21:43 places countries you know and then they see the green beer and they're like oh yeah you know i shall partake in a triple yeah there's a ton of there'd be a ton of american tourists and stuff like that oh yeah oh my god the big thing over here is shamrock shakes oh shakes from mackers which is just mint shake really are those served all year in ireland no no they come out around mid-march and they last a bit they they're basically out for about two or three weeks every year they make millions i'm sure i i love how lenny just matter of factly tells of his uh destruction of the door to mo just like we kicked down the back door like he's like well that should have fixed it kicking out of that back door but he had a pedal door mo is is certainly not pro-irish either but uh but he's willing to make some money
Starting point is 00:22:32 off of them later we'll see a sign that says no irish need apply in his in his bar that's very clever yeah uh but meanwhile everyone's a little bit Irish today, according to Kent. Kent O'Bruckman. Good morning to ye on this great, drizzly afternoon. Kent O'Bruckman, live on Main Street, where today everyone is a little bit Irish, except, of course, for the gays and the Italians. All right, then, move along. Nothing to see here. Just over, folks.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Parades just bring out so many emotions in me. Joy, excitement, looking. Mom, can i go buy one of those long plastic horns oh but we've bought those before and you always just throw them out the car window on the ride home i get bored with them but that won't happen this time i fucking hate vuvuzelas they're the worst thing in the world i uh cannot stand them and this they ruined an entire world yeah yeah yeah that was a real flash point for vuvuzela jokes and was it 2010 so i never watch world cups because i don't care about football either kind but i uh but at the time i worked for a british company and i didn't like those brits that were my boss and so i was i wanted to watch the us uk
Starting point is 00:23:46 match to then hopefully see america win which they didn't but um but when i turned it on i was like are there just bees everywhere what is this sound like well i someone i complained about on twitter and that's when i was informed about the reality of vuvuzels, I was like, this is the worst sound of all time. The storyline of this episode, you know, hinges, Bart has to get drunk, and so you can't show him drinking. So he has to get accidentally drunk. You just show Bart
Starting point is 00:24:15 sculling back hands. Like a proper Irish lad. He just goes into the park and starts knacker drinking. What is the drinking age there uh 18 legally technically yeah it's kind of a rite of passage to start drinking at about 15 you know but like you'd be in the pub with your parents from what six i guess yeah yeah so on a sunday so when do you have your first point after mass
Starting point is 00:24:41 you go to church and then you go right to the Pope then. Yeah, like my dad would give me some of his Guinness when I was six. Yeah, you know, you'd like have a sip and get the taste early. Yeah, well, church gives you a taste for booze. You got to go chase that. Really conforming to the stereotype. How many people named Sully do you know, though? Sully? That's a Bostonoston thing yeah no one actually that's this is very much the boston st patrick's day
Starting point is 00:25:10 parade that is happening in springfield i mean especially with that reference to the gays because the boston st patrick's day parade famously outlawed the gays from marching as part of it for a while i think it's just they finally accepted a gay veterans group in there. I swear this came up on an earlier episode. Gay veterans? Yeah, that's like a double whammy. But who knows marching better than the gays?
Starting point is 00:25:34 Exactly. They're awesome at it. The Bostonians are really depriving themselves of some great marching by leaving up to it. The Simpsons will be right back. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner,
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Starting point is 00:29:38 And go to this Talking Simpsons show page. Or again, go to tiny.cc slash talking shirt the shirts start in 1999 they also ship somewhat internationally though you know there are the international shipping fees but they're all really awesome you should check them out for yourself tiny.cc slash t.s shirt I also love the sound of the Irish cops. They all sound like from the Batman Adam West show, Chief O'Hara. Castellaneta, he does an amazing stereotypical irish voice he is so very good he's the best at it yeah it's really funny i kind of wish we got some of barney's irish singing in this too you're right yeah i think dan even plays the evil leprechaun
Starting point is 00:30:38 later in the show i think you're right i love that marge sees looking as an emotion and that she dyed her hair green. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. Yeah, for one day. Though Marge is very experienced with dyeing her hair because, as we all know, she's been gray as a mule since she was 17. Very good. These very specifically Boston jerks show up.
Starting point is 00:31:02 Hey, Mom, I'm on TV. Hey, where's that weather check? This is some wicked party, eh? Hi, have you seen sunlight? Get away from there. Hey, I need a pencil. Ladies and gentlemen, what you're seeing is a total disregard for the things St. Patrick's Day stands for. All this drinking, violence, destruction of property.
Starting point is 00:31:19 Are these the things we think of when we think of the Irish? That's brilliant. One of the best lines of this though i think officially line of the episode is the final line of this episode so absolutely but it was so good like a marketing slogan now yeah it was so good it was moved to the end of the episode it was originally somewhere else in the episode but they moved it to the end it's a good it's a good one to go out on with these boston jerks fighting each other and saying wicked and all that i i wonder if this is the harvard nerd writing staff of the simpsons channeling their hate for boston townies
Starting point is 00:31:54 while working at harvard go back to your town there were so many bad snl sketches about bostonians oh yeah yeah jimmy fallon was in them a lot boy that was a bad time for snl hey i a lot of giggling a lot of giggling in those well because it's funny but i'm gonna laugh along with jimmy can you believe they're on tv we also get to see the drunk irish writers float which i get they're all like it's like james joyce is definitely on there and uh what's the other one bernard shaw yeah i love that they just start scrapping that it's like james joyce is definitely on there and uh what's the other one bernard shaw yeah i love that they just start scrapping that it's brilliant the second one bottle is thrown at them like oh you want to fight huh
Starting point is 00:32:34 would you think like are these guys supposed to be actual local irish writers in springfield or are they or are they actors playing parts i'm digging too far into this show i like that they're reenactors and they're just really getting into it their method and then there is a scene that was i didn't know was cut for uk airings overseas of the exploding chip shop which uh it's apparently a real thing that happened in the 90s right i didn't know that this was a thing i was shocked when i saw this yeah the first time i saw that scene it was when watching it on dvd i was like holy shit they fucking went yeah yeah i was blown away i'm blown away sorry tommy lee jones's irish accent there it's funny to americans to laugh at ira bombings but not so much i love that all the
Starting point is 00:33:27 americans cheer yeah hilarious one of the few references in this episode that outside reference to uh john bull so this is john bull's fish and chips and john bull is the cartoon personification of england sort of like the uncle sam of england except he's like he's not in shape he's not a stern man with a long finger he's's a fat guy in Union Jack fest. So that is John bull. I mean, we need to fatten up uncle Sam here to reflect the American population. Now, also, this is when the animators kind of, they, they're asked to draw so many mobs. So I'm not blaming them, but they, they reuse the giant mob fight from Bart's inner child.
Starting point is 00:34:03 It's great though. It's a great pan across a fighting crowd except this time in the background you have bart screaming for attention well as as adults he's pretty unfazed by this giant riot happening around him he's seen plenty of riots by now it's pretty yeah that's true he's caused some and so then bart gets safely drunk in an accidental way which i think the first time he actually got drunk by choice illegally was in the Simpsons movie. You're right. That's right.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Another darker PG-13 joke they can do on the show. Along with seeing his doodle. Hey, look, everybody. Free beer. Open your yaps, boyos! Hey, what the... Everybody! Everybody get naked!
Starting point is 00:35:00 I love this dance. It's going to be great. Well, why not? This party's just getting started. Stop the celebration. That small boy is drunk. Oh. Brilliant.
Starting point is 00:35:24 Kirk is so embracing his new freedom when he sees a child getting drunk he's like this party's getting started yeah and he's already whipping out his disco medallion yeah it's it's a fun moment of all the all the adults like sobered up just by seeing like oh we've gone too far what monsters are we meanwhile? Meanwhile, the kids are like, yay. It's such a great extra gag out there. You don't need the kids cheering Bart's public drunkenness. But I wonder if that was the writers also thinking like, well, will this influence children to get drunk like their favorite character Bart does? Probably, actually. But it's absolutely perfect because that's exactly what would happen kids
Starting point is 00:36:05 would be like yeah go on you're fucking animals and he's it's it's really good drunk acting by nancy who you know on the show at least is never really asked to act drunk like it's all the other male actors are probably all the male actors have probably played drunk like 500 times by this point in the show but she rarely plays any adults. Yeah, that's true. So it's always like little girls or little boys. That's basically it. I love his like shambling too is really good.
Starting point is 00:36:33 It's great animation on that. And then poor Marge pulling him back from that. And that is also when we get the Homer's prime minister of Ireland gag. That's so weird though, isn't it? That he says, well, I don't expect him to know what a Taoiseach is or to pronounce Taoiseach. Oh, sir. We don't have a prime minister. This is when Bob and me learned for the first time you don't have a prime minister.
Starting point is 00:36:56 I was like, oh, that was a joke. Okay. Because they have a lot of good Irish stuff. There's like an Aaron Gubras sign and no Irish need apply in most taverns so they know about it you know so it's a bit weird if you asked us to name the prime minister of england we could probably get that any foreign leader other than that we maybe canada but that's kind of it you're supposed to think about us we don't think about you that's if homer said t-shook that would raise more questions probably yeah you'd have to cut the line completely yeah speaking of shook this is shook the town i absolutely love that how they're absolutely fine with with everybody getting blitz drunk fighting cheering a fucking chipper being
Starting point is 00:37:38 blown up but by jesus if there's a drunk child that's too much too far What are you looking at the innocent words of a drunken child? Well, I'll tell you what we're looking at young man a town gone mad A town whose very conscience was washed away in a tide of beer and green vomit I'm going down to Moe's for a couple beers. Oh come with you No more drinking. I'm tired down to Moe's for a couple beers. I'll come with you. No! No more drinking. I'm tired of looking like the world's worst mother. Oh, honey, you're not the world's worst mother. What about
Starting point is 00:38:14 that freezer lady in Georgia? But what's the solution? Are we so bereft of ideas that we must revive the antiquated notion of prohibition? Channel 6 says yes prohibition they tried that in the movies and it didn't work i predict this is the last we'll be hearing about prohibition we want prohibition we want prohibition you can't seriously want to ban
Starting point is 00:38:39 alcohol it tastes great makes women appear more attractive and makes a person virtually invulnerable to criticism i'm really surprised we didn't get any bart is hung over jokes yeah maybe they could only have bart experiencing alcohol for a short period of time sensor wise like he's he got drunk that's all you get do you think the censors would approve that because it would show the consequences of drinking for bar to make it seem less attractive. When Bobby Hill got drunk in King of the Hill of his own free will, he was shown to be hung over afterwards and punished while being hung over. So King of the Hill went there. Sorry, is that the episode where they have like Bostonians that come?
Starting point is 00:39:22 Like it's a basketball group and the kids uh their parents get really annoyed about it because they're stereotyping ireland is that the one uh no it's when i believe bill sort of uh is the bigger brother to a troubled teen who just takes advantage of him and then he gets he gets the bobby drunk is that when he has the bounce house too yes yeah yes i love that kent brockman he says it's antiquated and seems to be against it and then just turns of like we say yes channel six says yes the uh the freezer lady gag is uh quite a dark one which yeah i don't get that at all well it's an actual thing there's not i couldn't find a real freezer lady in georgia that happened but it feels
Starting point is 00:40:05 like a sideways reference to susan smith of south carolina the woman who famously drowned her kids in her car in 1995 which uh was uh parodied humorously to good effect in butter's own episode of south park that's right yeah i like it better that they made up a fake crime it's it's less uh terrible to think about having to think about something that's real there's two jokes in this episode that skirts the line of referencing a real tragedy this and then also a reference to what i would assume is timothy mcveigh yeah and but they decide not to be too direct about it that's for the best but the freezer lady down and then homer thinks that prohibition only happened in the movies is a great that's another perfect
Starting point is 00:40:50 homer line this is a john swartz welder written episode and this is a perfect one for him because it is old-timey and homer centric like he he loves both of those things so much and he's great at it think of the children that is helen lovejoy discovering her catchphrase she she had not had one to this point and now she finally does she and she will henceforth represent the scolding soul of springfield and this was the message of the writers who didn't have children at the time saying like hey i like things for adults and just because it's not for children doesn't mean that's bad. And I wonder if now as parents how they feel, if they still feel the same way about that.
Starting point is 00:41:35 Yeah, I think there's a lot of bad faith arguments, though, when it comes to like, what if a child saw this? You know, kids, if they have an iPad, they can look at whatever they want now. So it doesn't really matter if a child sees this. Yeah, absolutely. Well, this is helen helen is acting more like the tipper gore type fear mongering at the time of like think of the children you can't have this thing think of the children that's i think that's really what they're channeling with her we're gonna put a sticker on this music let kids know it's cool and it will sell more i love the logic in this episode like the arguments make sense and it kind of funnels us to where the storyline
Starting point is 00:42:07 wants to go. The TV anchorman suggests prohibition to solve the public drunkenness then a Milton Christian group they obviously saw the broadcast and hand the mayor to enforce it who absolutely smashes it down saying it lists the positives it tastes great. With their sign saying draft men not beer
Starting point is 00:42:23 Holy shit. They're pro-war, but anti-drinking. Yeah, it's madness. It is funny. You can fight in war, but you also can't drink at the same time if you're below the age of 21. Mayor, he bats it away, but then he goes, election in November, election in November. Again? So it makes sense, and they move on.
Starting point is 00:42:46 And the whole script is so tight. Yeah. The contempt he has for democracy is very funny. I love it. And also Wiggum just rules in this episode to the, this, this next scene here where prohibition returns, Wiggum has a line in here that I like,
Starting point is 00:43:03 I love so much. It is, it's just such a thrown off line that you're you barely even have time to hear it but I I love it all our founding fathers astronauts and world series heroes have been either drunk or on cocaine uh uh uh wait looky here seems there's been a prohibition law on the books in Springfield for 200 years. It's just never been enforced. Get out of here, old clerk guy. There's also a law requiring ducks to wear long pants.
Starting point is 00:43:33 Wait a minute, let me see that. Well, I'll be darned, long pants. Read the other one, the non-duck one. And spirituous beverages are hereby prohibited under penalty of catapult. We get a nice guy from Maine there to mix up the accents a little bit. The magic clerk guy. I love the way Wiggum says, shut up, old clerk guy.
Starting point is 00:43:59 He really should have read the rest of that parchment, though. Yes, it's pretty great that he magically shows up to be like oh actually there is prohibition oh no there isn't like i found the plot to this episode it's right here and they're easy out at the end too they've got it all and it's also perfect to to like how people do things also you know like read a paper or something and you read two or three lines and then you've made up your mind you know also you know like read a paper or something and you read two or three lines and then you've made up your mind you know so you know it's kind of perfect also they just read the headline and went with it yeah totally uh and yeah the reactions to the prohibition are pretty pretty great visual gags including the shocking news about bernice hibbert right it's the only act break joke that is about
Starting point is 00:44:46 hibbert's wife never again it's funny like so uh in this episode she is named bernice previously she was introduced as felicia obviously named after the actress felicia rashad who played bill cosby's wife on the cosby show because hibbert is a cosby analog back when cosby jokes were different let's just say that but yes here she is called Bernice and we learned the troubling truth about her alcoholism but I guess they were in the Homer's marriage class together
Starting point is 00:45:13 it's true so maybe they were talking about the drinking there clever long term okay that's good I like that Bernice is apparently just had this secret drinking problem this whole time throughout the entire show, even when they go to the Texas Cheesecake Depository. Oh, right. So we come back to Act 2, and the guy who runs Duff, he's not worried at all about Prohibition.
Starting point is 00:45:39 No, we're not worried. Our customers buy Duff for its robust taste, not its alcoholic content. I predict our new alcohol-free Duff Zero will sell even better than our previous brand. Well, that's the end of me. Perfect. well that's the end of me perfect yeah i i tend to use that phrase a lot when i make a minor mistake or when i when i um overestimate how something will have an effect on my life so a very minor thing i do like oh that's the end of me it's a smash cut to you that's the end of me just just being resolute and yes my life is over now i like it not even having any real emotion about it
Starting point is 00:46:22 he just accepts his business is over. That's the end of me. Isn't it weird that they actually already have an alcohol-free duff? It's in Sideshow Bob's that has gleaming. Oh, yeah, that's true. But as we learned from Pooh's secret garden on top of his roof, no one ever buys non-alcoholic beer. So no one has ever found it.
Starting point is 00:46:43 Yeah, I can't wrap my head around, like, does anyone drink beer because of how it tastes? You know, beer doesn't taste great. I think you learn to like the taste of beer because of the other benefits that it gives you. I reject your hypothesis, sir. I do enjoy the taste of beer. The fact that it gets me drunk is also good. But our, I don't know if you guys have this over in Ireland,land but our non-alcoholic beer the popular brand is oh duels popular in quotes yes well it's the one kind of a non-alcoholic beer you can buy in most places
Starting point is 00:47:15 what's non-alcoholic a soft drink if you will the simpsons had a real axe to grind with non-alcoholic beer they they did like five or six of them on this also right before that's the end of me i think it's a really cool shot of how you know when an executive eats or drinks the thing they sell and just like that like that sound that that's really good version of the executive enjoying the thing they're supposed to be selling even though they would never they would never drink that's that swill it's like swine to it it's like a crusty would bite into a crusty burger and he spit it out into a bucket afterwards like i always tasted some of it i remember in uh it was england back in the 90s when they had the bse thing and one of the
Starting point is 00:48:03 politicians went and got a burger and you know he and he's basically eating this going look here britain british beef is absolutely safe and he takes a bite of it and you can see that he's disgusted with every mouthful it's like yeah typical it's like uh taking a bite out of a lemon but the speakeasy is back in springfield which then brings in the untouchables references to this show which i had seen the film but never the tv show that this episode is directly referencing so it was a four season tv show from 1959 to 1963 based on a very, very popular radio show, The Untouchables. And in this one, we have Robert Stack as a star, and
Starting point is 00:48:50 Dave Thomas is doing a very good Robert Stack impression of Robert Stack as a younger man pre-airplane, pre-Unsolved Mysteries. I mean, Unsolved Mysteries is where 80s and 90s kids really knew him from. That's how I knew him. Robert Stack lived in our nightmares. Yeah, that fucking song, man.
Starting point is 00:49:05 He always just hung around in a trench coat and talking about werewolves and abductions. Unsolved Mysteries is great because they could get into the supernatural if they needed to, but they could also talk about true crime. They could navigate the two. It cast a wide net, that show. And I have a fun quote from wikipedia about the untouchables quotes the tv show drew harsh criticism from some italian americans including frank sinatra who felt it promoted negative stereotypes of them as mobsters and
Starting point is 00:49:37 gangsters okay frank how many people have you had beaten up or killed for disparaging your name uh i can assure you they deserved it old blue eyes is dead as he was getting help from the mob uh he was complaining i mean hey he had to outwardly show that he wasn't part of the mob by complaining and saying that the mafia wasn't real as as they said in uh the godfather part two like But the speakeasy is back in Springfield. Dateline, Springfield. With Prohibition back in force, sobriety's peaceful slumber was shattered by its noisy neighbor, the speakeasy. Glad you're finally back in business, Moe.
Starting point is 00:50:16 Yeah, that was a scary couple hours. The suppliers of the illegal booze? Gangsters running truckloads of smuggled hooch on the way from Shelbyville. And John Law was helpless. You didn't say nothing i don't know why people are always bad mouth in the mafia see that's how that's how i feel why are they bad mouth for the mafia they're pretty great they've got so much money they do you favors so in the slack channel henry i have a clip of walter winchell which is the narrator for the Untouchables TV series.
Starting point is 00:50:47 I believe he was sort of a gossip columnist of the time. Oh, okay. Dan Kessler's impression is not super close, but it's the same sort of effect. It's very Ernie Pie, Ernie in the Sky voice. It's pretty close, yeah. In the last weeks of March 1931, Elliot Ness and his Untouchables were heading hard at the Capone Empire.
Starting point is 00:51:04 Every day, gunshots rattled the concrete as Ness led his men in raid after raid. Yeah, it's more of a transatlantic accent than what Dan Castellaneta is doing. Not as nasal. Yeah. I just kind of thought that that's how everybody talked over there back in the 50s, you know? Fast talking, high trousers. Hey! What are you doing there?
Starting point is 00:51:21 I think of that voice too because then on mystery science theater 3000 whenever they would do a elliot nesters man speed towards that hideout they would do it in the sped up way that dan castellaneta is doing it too i think it's them remembering it because we have the luxury of looking things up on youtube we've noticed with the simpsons a lot of things are people kind of misremembering things in a way that makes it accentuate certain qualities. So, yeah, I could see Dan thinking, well, yeah, that's what Walter Winchell sounded like. And it's sort of close. And at the speakeasy, we get some real partying down.
Starting point is 00:51:54 And, boy, it's the drawing of Princess Cashmere dancing with Wiggum. All of the drawings in this layout are crazy and good. They're cool, but they they're very very wild and off but i do enjoy the crazy wigum dancing also when wigum is approaching the camera in this scene he's got an odd bulge in his pants too he's got some uh droopy drawers let's call them yeah i just noticed this time and this is just a fun scene to frame your way through. On the commentary, when you see Princess Kashmir with her, you never see, even when they draw large-breasted women in The Simpsons, their boobs aren't up. Matt Groening's reaction to that drawing, he goes like, what the?
Starting point is 00:52:39 Yeah, her boobs are defying physics. They're just flying straight up in the air. The old lady reacting to it that really should be agnes skinner shouldn't it that i feel like that should be agnes skinner instead of just true instead of the woman who's knifed by knife co as i believe that's the where they got her yeah that is the same design i yeah i mean i guess skinner we know she doesn't like cakes but she's she has a dating life so she could be like into partying you never know. She could be like a mods of Harold and Maude type character, which we'll see in a later episode.
Starting point is 00:53:09 Oh, my God. They did do that. It was good to see Princess Cashmere back, too. And Wiggums, I've had that reaction, too, of just like when you think you're doing something correctly, and no one has screamed pervert at me. But when you just hear a thing that you're like, oh, that sounded bad. Is this not what i imagine it to
Starting point is 00:53:28 be another character walk is like another weird character choice it's pretty creepy though another weird character choice i noticed so we thought this the old lady should be agnes also uh luann van houten is there in her school marm dress with the uh with the temperance league or whatever those those characters are called she's free and single she should be having fun there too i don't think she shows up again but she is she's now back in her very school marmy outfits and uh not in her her cool capri pants or whatever those were sounds like they need some new blood in the police department oh geez this looks bad. Better turn on the all-wigam charm.
Starting point is 00:54:11 Oh, boy, that sounded bad. We demand you bring in a police chief who will enforce the prohibition law. Demand? Who are you to demand anything? I run this town. you're just a bunch of low-income nobodies election in november what again this stupid country springfield sent for the one man who could clean up the town and shoot the gangsters rex banner and we have uh the very angular rex banner something i was noticing in this design this time, I've seen this 50 times, that since these characters rarely have hard angles or straight lines in their faces,
Starting point is 00:54:51 maybe like Leopold is the one character that we see, but he is very angular, very straight lace. He's got pleats in his pants. I like how his design sort of expresses his squareness as a person. And Rex Banner looks like they just unthawed him from 1920 he's he's he's not a real human being he's so ridiculous the perfect john swartzwalder creation played by dave thomas let's get into this so dave thomas obviously in case you don't know it's obvious to me because i'm a comedy nerd but he came out of sctv he was on that fine canadian sketch show check it out it's it's got to be somewhere uh the movie
Starting point is 00:55:25 strange brew with rick moranis he's playing one of the the mackenzie brothers yes famous the mackenzie that started on sctv canada's favorites he was also a great part of the sitcom grace under fire that's where i first noticed him as a young boy but again he's doing a robert stack impression i wonder if they tried to get robert Stack because previously he had done a character on Beavis and Butthead do America. Yeah, it's insane. They couldn't get Robert Stack if they tried. Like he's what's he's he's doing Beavis and Butthead. He would not say what is he doing?
Starting point is 00:55:57 He's very available. So Dave Thomas, I think they wanted to get Dave Thomas on the show because he gave Oakley and Weinstein the showrunners for season seven and eight, their first big writing break. I believe we heard from one of our interviews that Oakley and Weinstein worked on a talk show for Ha or something like that. Yeah, that might have been the first thing they did. But this is another thing they did. So in 1992, Dave Thomas produced a parody of reality TV of that time. This is like just as the real world came out but it was still too early to reference the real world so it was called
Starting point is 00:56:28 bear with me inside America's totally unsolved lifestyles so it was a mix of a number of reality show a number of reality shows on TV so inside is probably inside edition America's is America's funniest home video totally
Starting point is 00:56:44 is it was a fox show called totally hidden video i remember seeing unsolved mystery unsolved obviously unsolved mysteries and lifestyles as lifestyles of the rich and how we use electricity can be smarter cleaner and greener at electric ireland we can help guide you there you see our new Net Zero Hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels, and much more. Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, your home cozier, and your world brighter. Find our Net Zero Hub at electricireland.ie. Famous.
Starting point is 00:57:22 How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You see, our new Net Zero Hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels and much more. Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, your home cozier and your world brighter find our net zero hub at electricireland.ie i don't know if there's a way to watch this i want to talk to when we meet up with bill oakley in portland i want to ask him about this and if
Starting point is 00:57:58 there's a copy of it we can see but this is something that uh was a big break for oakley and weinstein as writers and dave thomas brought them board, so they wanted to do a favor to Dave Thomas. And I believe he was still on Grace Under Fire at the time, and people knew who Dave Thomas was. Grace Under Fire might have been ending at that point, thanks to Grace's personal drinky-drinky motion. SCTV is like the Mr. Show for people 10 years younger than me and you, Bob. Oh, for sure. And I mean, I think the pacing is very strange if you're used to modern sketch comedy, because on SCTV, some sketches will be just almost episode length.
Starting point is 00:58:32 And you're like, wow, they are really, they're really devoted to this sketch. Were you guys aware of Dave Thomas in Ireland? No, I was going to lie and say no further questions. No, I've never heard of him. Yeah, all of those shows, SCTV, Grace on the Fire, I've never heard of yeah uh all of those shows sctv grace grace on the fire i've never heard of any of these really wow yeah yeah none of them made it over here like henry was saying sctv was for comedy snobs of the 80s it was sort of like uh like you just said to the great comparison it was the mr show of its time where it's just like snl is too mainstream man
Starting point is 00:58:59 i'm watching this well i i was curious if grace under fire had because it was i mean every sitcom from then seems big compared to how how low ratings are for everything in america now but uh like it was on right after home improvement like it was part of the big abc block of like home improvement roseanne and then yeah it's under fire and it was sort of a lesser roseanne where it's like a working class woman but you know it's just the lesser degree and based around a comedian too like they actually you guys not knowing dave thomas reminds me of a one of my favorite things in in osw is when a american celebrity who like i know who regis philbin is i saw him a million times as a kid but you guys like who the hell is this guy like you you're very unimpressed with him yeah mr baseball and there is another bob uker yeah bob uker old american guy
Starting point is 00:59:53 that just goes to show you that you know these are just old white men who are on wrestling shows like both of us and try to feel up younger women there is another famous dave Thomas, by the way. I don't know if you guys ever had... Does Wendy's exist? The restaurant Wendy's in Ireland? No, there's no Wendy's over here. Is it good?
Starting point is 01:00:15 Famous for square hamburgers. When I ate meat, they were pretty high quality for cheap fast food. I would definitely put it above Burger King, McDonald's. It was my favorite of that level of hamburger if they made a veggie version of the spicy chicken sandwich i would never leave they'd have to call the cops they'd have to pry me out of there they have quality fried chicken stuff there but yeah okay i i hate that this is like a checklist of like do you know this reference guys we call them chips.
Starting point is 01:00:45 We talked about it before, but God, that Quimby's contempt for the electorate is so funny, too. He's just like, this lousy country. Low-income nobodies. Not a lot of Irish jokes are made about him, though. Yeah, you know what? There's a real avenue for, they've got it right there. They've got their Kennedy guy right there to make Irish jokes. Bob, when we talked about this before, you made the great point that rex banner seems better than
Starting point is 01:01:09 wiggum but he's actually as bad as wiggum but more proactive in a poochy style way he's better at faking it yes he's got he's got a more uh the facade is better than wiggum's just like, I don't know. He seems pretty good when he fires Wiggum here. Whoa! Ow! Hey, I was watching that. And I was sitting there. Rex Banner, I'm running this department now. Wiggum, you're out. Suspended
Starting point is 01:01:37 indefinitely. Tug in that shirt. Get those shoes shined. Take that badge out of your mouth you're police officers well what are you waiting for somebody to kiss you goodbye well no no no i guess you wanted a kiss he's used to getting kissed goodbye at the police station i wonder who does it i'm guessing it's probably eddie i don't think lou and eddie take turns on the cheek it's a professional it's a
Starting point is 01:02:05 business well i guess the police is a business now so never mind i'm not gonna correct myself it's really good animation too the like kind of wistful way wiggum walks out the door and he puts his hand on the frame like oh my just as like i was sitting there and i was watching that just talking about the objects that just got destroyed pretty pretty great line from way up there too rex immediately goes forth to stop all the drinking and he proudly destroys many cars and people with his with his barricade i like i'm just nodding as the at the multi-car pile up not even ducking to avoid the shit flying at his face just like yep doing my job all these people are dead wigum causes just as much death as rex is doing here
Starting point is 01:02:45 but rex is at least he had one problem to solve and he's solving it he's getting rid of the alcohol doesn't even care about heroin like that doesn't matter it's it's good that nobody doubts him yeah you know he can just get away with whatever he wants no matter how destructive like i love that they never explained the kind of 1920s america framing of this like the big playing the big band charleston music and rex banner what you know what what is he and using tommy guns to destroy the liquor and the old-timey voiceover guy you know they never explain but it's it's amazing yeah it's hilarious like they're probably just having to go with how old-fashioned and stupid this this lies you know how utterly silly it is and it's like the spirit of
Starting point is 01:03:26 the roaring 20s somehow possessed the entire town of springfield and they just accept it everyone starts wearing a hat for some reason like like at most go through the roof like at most speakeasy they could play any music there but but they are playing the Charleston in big band music just because they agree like, yeah, it's the 20s now. That's just how it is. So Rex cleans up the city, but at what cost? How do you know you don't like bribes if you've never taken one? Here. Say, this is nice.
Starting point is 01:04:00 No, no bribes. Okay, you win. From now on, we'll stick to smuggling heroin. See that you do. First off, prohibition is a good thing. People are drinking more and having a lot more fun. But without beer, prohibition doesn't work. Hey, hi.
Starting point is 01:04:18 Can I arrest any of you people for anything? No. Ah, jeez, I don't have anything to do anymore. With Banner around around alcohol and crime or history in this town and so am i poor wiggum poor poor wiggum it's just it's the crime isn't gone they're still like they're smuggling heroin it's there just heroin coming in exactly just thinking wiggum can fall back on you know just maybe starting a b sharps cover band yeah i can bring that back or just go on tour
Starting point is 01:04:46 well that uh genius at work moment here obviously anyone can leave the town of springfield to get drunk they can just go to shelbyville and get drunk it's only for spring yeah it is a city-wide ordinance it should be just more like just a ton of people move one town over in simpsons parlance and just all move to shelbyville for it like as that's one of the great little headline gags that the the bums are threatening to move out of town bums extend deadline it's fine when him and bart are trying to think how to fix the problem they they never say it out loud it's just one of those for some reason moments of bart standing on his head to get all the brain juice uh all he can to think better it's absolutely perfect like bart is meant to be what 10 and that is exactly how a kid of that age acts whenever you're asking them something they like get on the couch and they'll be doing handstands and flips
Starting point is 01:05:43 and they just can't sit there and think it's it's perfect it sounds like your personal experience with this yes my wife's child lena is 10 and you know if we're having a chat with her or we're getting her to do you know homework or spellings or something she's like on the floor handstands twirls rolling around like it's it's perfect and that duff plant thing about somebody obviously barney placing uh flowers on or sorry having a vigil at the was he placing flowers at the plant or something flower okay that that is reference to marilyn and rose grave somebody did that yeah i was thinking rudolph fontino yeah that too and poe there's it's it's multiple ones i my first
Starting point is 01:06:26 thought was of edgar allen poe though he leaves he actually leaves alcohol at the grave frederick allen poe i believe i i hope people leave that mysterious stranger alone and let them just be anonymous and a mystery instead of just filming it every year to find out who the person is we can't have mysteries in the surveillance state henry you're right that's when they decide they're gonna go and steal the beer come on boy think of a plan i'm trying dad kent brockman at the now closed duff bottling plant where a mysterious person in black keeps a solitary vigil i got it we're going out marge if we don't come back avenge our death whoa bonanza let's load it up before the rats regroup right now remember don't mention this to anyone not your mother not rex banner. His definition of like, not Rex Banner.
Starting point is 01:07:26 He just innocently says that to Bart. So Humber is aware of Rex Banner. Yes. Now that you know that all the beer that everybody drinks after this was covered in rats. And all of their leavings. And the little lugger appears again. And it has the production code for you only move twice on the license plate still because that's where it first appeared little lugger so they didn't update their in joke uh
Starting point is 01:07:51 for the license plate they just used the model from the last episode ah somebody should be fired they were probably too busy having a couple of beers i actually have a commentary i think josh weinstein even goes like we could have figured something funnier the little lugger like and then also rex banner attempts to kill homer like had had rex banner succeeded with this gun he would have killed homer possibly barf rex banner what a dope yeah look at him try to aim that stupid gun hang on son Dad knocking over a gravestone is bad luck Really?
Starting point is 01:08:34 I heard good What happened to you Homer? And what have you done to the car? Nothing. I don't think it had broken axles before. Before, before. You're living in the past, Marge. Quit living in the past.
Starting point is 01:08:57 That's funny. I used to be able to go down there. Go on bowling, not back of Enstats. Why do you have so many bowling i'm not gonna lie to you marge so long homer's really sticking to his everything looks bad if you remember it policy yeah yeah before before you're living in the past this is some classic homer meanness to marge but it's it's funny it's pretty funny in in real life don't don't lie to your wife and gaslight her and tell
Starting point is 01:09:33 her how she misremembers things but uh but it's pretty funny when homer does it i will admit that there's so many quotes there that you use in everyday life as well like i've always got before before i quit living in the past um When she sees the do not enter sign and it's in a couple of different languages, I wish it was in Irish as well. Ooh, that would have been nice. It would have been a nice job. Anyway, it would have been a cool callback
Starting point is 01:09:55 to the start of the episode. To the Paddy's Day. Yeah, actually, you know what? It feels like years ago that this show kicked off and it was Paddy's Day. It kind of veers off and changes really fast. It's a classic uh act one switch them up in simpsons yeah though i'll also say from the ignorant
Starting point is 01:10:10 american standpoint it was a long time before i knew that there was the irish language like we didn't we don't know these things i'm sorry it's our fault that fine. We don't know it either. I mean, most people, well, actually, in the country, you would get it, you know, but in Dublin, most people don't speak Irish. Yeah. Like, we know a couple of phrases and that's about it. It's taught very poorly in schools. Or maybe it is well and we're shit. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:10:39 No, no. It's not an easy language to learn. You have to go to a Gael Talkael talk like a special Irish school to learn Irish it's a very ancient language it doesn't make sense yeah it sucks well no it's great or whatever but like no no it sucks I think more people might know Elvish
Starting point is 01:10:57 at this point or Klingon that's another one I like using too just like i'm not gonna lie to you well goodbye bye rex banner should have at least a lead on who stole who the beer baron is when he sees that that it was somebody with a little lugger like he's got he's got a place to start his investigation but he like i said he's as bad as wigum he's just more violent he won't even run a license plate yeah he saw the little lugger license plate right if he can shoot at them he should have caught the license plate too here's another great line in here sucking like a
Starting point is 01:11:35 fox i love oh rats another gutter ball j Gee Homer, you sure do suck tonight. Yeah, suck like a fox. Here you go, Bond. That'll be 45 bucks. 45 bucks?! Well, this better be the best tasting beer in the world! You got lucky. You see, boy? The real money's in bootlegging,
Starting point is 01:12:16 not in your childish vandalism. Oh, so many wasted nights. What's the matter, chief? Yeah, you barely touched your banana kaboom. This isn't a very happy birthday for Rex Banner. And that's the way they play it. Hello, fishies! Listen, Rummy, I'm going to say it plain and simple.
Starting point is 01:12:45 Where'd you pinch the hooch? Is some blind tiger jerking suds on the side? Yes? It's a great animation choice. I don't even know if it was in the script or not, that Rex does not grab him the first time. He makes a grab at him and then gets him the second time. It's a nice little move.
Starting point is 01:13:03 He's just so angry he doesn't do it right the first time. And just Barney's scream of like, I was not not expecting that and also in case you didn't know a blind tiger is slang for an illegal bar so there you go okay and uh the it's a reference to the classic edward hopper painting nighthawks uh the establishing shot of the yeah uh restaurant they weren't at phineas q butterfats parlor uh yeah but the shot the reveal of the banana kaboom and it's just dour face and the sizzling um one of the best non non-dialogue jokes in the show visual jokes would uh would you guys rather have million dollar birthday fries or a banana kaboom on your birthday million dollar birthday fries have to be served on
Starting point is 01:13:42 an old man's head yeah if it's served by mo i'd have those i'd prefer those on my birthday if you get a song and dance we don't know if you get a song and dance for the banana kaboom but uh i don't know if i want anything that i would eat that's been on mo's head you know smile maybe good point yeah you know then banana kaboom wins out for me and when i've had like an ice cream thing at a restaurant on my birthday, it's usually after I ate a giant awful meal to celebrate my birthday. I'm like, oh, ice cream. It's kind of the last thing I want to eat. Yeah, I'd be happy with just more meat.
Starting point is 01:14:18 And the great animation on just the way Barney's face slides across the glass. It's a bit penis-y. He's got a drippy nose. Yeah, actually, it's pretty similar to... We talked about George Myers Jr.'s nose wiping across the glass in Itchy and Scratchy Poochie. It also had a similar phallic floppiness over glass. You really see the Simpsons' noses move around or squished.
Starting point is 01:14:44 They're always like just rigid yeah though what song was barney singing there it's hard to play oh boy i don't know it's probably some dan castellaneta ad lib ah lost the time yeah also sucking like a fox i just love that phrase and they somehow built the the bootlegging business is going very well in springfield if they were able to just build that whole series of tubes in like an afternoon to that somehow goes underground and then out at mo's bar i wonder if is that a mario reference i mean with the pipes okay i i was just thinking you know like uh if you want something bad enough you will work your ass off for it so yeah i was thinking like didn't the mob um they
Starting point is 01:15:26 got the disability ramp and that done in elementary really quick it's true but it was made of what breadsticks yeah it's because they made it out of breadsticks that was how it was with all the trips that homer's taking to the bowling alley though do you think he's got a deal with barney's uncle oh yeah he's in on it too hell hell's got to be getting a piece of that i wonder how much of that 45 a beer mo is sharing with homer i wonder i would think mo is taking a lot off of the top of that for uh when he sells it back gives them a cash back to homer yeah actually al has to be on it because homer has to like change the machinery of the bowling alley to deliver the balls elsewhere of course homer would know that
Starting point is 01:16:05 machinery so well because he worked there that's right he was a pin monkey we're going deep deep here guys so it seems like everything's going good for homer but this is another great just animation moment of like marge is so obviously right in front of him and homer won't check like it's she's right there the second he turns in this scene here wait a minute I forgot to make sure the coast was clear that's probably clear let's go beer I can explain March please let me explain oh why won't you let me explain you're the one the papers have been talking about that mysterious beer baron who's been supplying Springfield with alcohol. How have you been getting away with this?
Starting point is 01:16:49 Well, and I can explain, remember? Fill the balls with beer that I found at the dump, and then I bowl them, and some underground pipes take them into mowers. Homer, that's very clever. Huh? Mom? Well, it is. I've known your father since high school, and this is the cleverest thing he's ever done.
Starting point is 01:17:05 Besides, he's only breaking a silly 200-year-old law. It is, silly Marge. And look at all the money I'm making. Ooh, Mom. Prohibition may be unpopular, but it's the law, and we still have to be a rule, Lisa. Even Bart says it. Yeah, hey, it's a John Swartz world of script. He's going to shit all over Lisa if he has the chance.
Starting point is 01:17:27 Lisa's being extra annoying, extra lawful good. It's like we must obey all laws, people. I really like this a little bit because Marge doesn't have much in this episode. And obviously she shouldn't be for liquor. She did ask Homer to give it up for 30 days, see if he can do that. Yeah. And complains at the marriage retreat, if he can do that yeah and like complains uh at the marriage retreat if you remember that it's like oh you spend your time at a cd bar
Starting point is 01:17:49 you know but seeing her being supportive here is you know it it's actually a twist on the stereotype of a nagging housewife she's actually supportive here because like homer has all these crazy get rich schemes you know like sugar salesman happy dude the telemarketing scale retirement grease and she's like that's very clever well done uh it's a great yeah it's a great turn on what you would expect in the original pitch would have been like mar saying homer you shouldn't do that like me what you imagine her reaction would be so instead her her complimenting him is such a great twist on expectation it and even you get kind of i love the marge like excitement like whoa that's always and yeah that she she's right she's known him since high school this is easily the most clever
Starting point is 01:18:41 thing he has ever done in his life she's impressed yeah cool and i love how they both just turn it on captain come down lisa you know the three of them yeah it's in on it it's it's hilarious to see this eight-year-old girl screamed at by her entire family oh man she gets so much worse god there's there's an episode where lady gaga's in it and lisa's feeling depressed and lady gaga sees that she's depressed and tries to make her feel better and how does lisa like herself again she just hurls abuse at lady gaga wow that's it you mean and that's it oh getting all my venom out i'm able to feel better about myself holy shit you are a terrible person like if uh if you weren't an eight-year-old kid you're getting a punch in the face yeah you mean future oscar winner lady gaga that's true yeah
Starting point is 01:19:31 that movie can't be that good i refuse to believe it i don't know i know you know the sixth remake of this movie her act lads she is not a good actress american horror story proved that so uh yeah you know i'm very very doubtful here i didn't see that movie i was watching venom that weekend oh using my time you're a discerning moviegoer yeah so here we get another scene that really goes to rex banner being terrible at his job but quite funny funny. Open up, Curly. This is a raid. A raid? Curly? Um, alright, but
Starting point is 01:20:09 I don't know what you expect to find in a simple neighborhood pet shop. Pet shop, eh? Well, I just have one question. What kind of pet shop is filled with rambunctious yahoos and hot jazz music at 1 a.m.? Um...
Starting point is 01:20:33 The best damn pet shop in town! Yeah! All right. You people remember. Baby turtles and alligators may seem like a cute idea for a pet, but they grow up. Let's go, boys. Ow! Those gears down there really hurt.
Starting point is 01:21:01 Even though Rex Banner thinks they didn't do anything wrong, he still has to moralize. He's like, well, here's something i could tell you people all he has to do is look directly behind them and he'll find that beer he's searching for that's all he'd have to do i do like the foley of the beer as everyone's putting it behind their backs yeah the glorp of all the beer swishing around i love the animation on mo blindly like he can't break eye contact but he's got to find that lever that very obvious lever and pull it and and that curly confuses him more than a rave early i suppose he has curly hair it's curly doesn't say that chestnut on its own that's for sure larry and mo were somewhere around you know there's one little thing i thought was really cool is that in this episode, Mo is using pets as a cover for his tavern.
Starting point is 01:21:46 And in the X-Files episode, you see he's got the big whale. So he was using his tavern as a cover for his illegal pets. Wow. And pandas before that. He said access to animals. Wow. It makes the lie work. He actually deals in pets all the time.
Starting point is 01:22:04 That's the type of cover you want uh then we get to the that the opening sound we used of just him shouting at the city and homer impossibly hearing him and shouting back to let him know he won't catch him that's another amazing gag i love that joke so much uh and it's a funny way to end the sea end the sequence too of the uh since we're going to come back and then see that the this is when we finally get the state change of okay so now he's the beer baron except he's out of beer what are they going to do next and when they show homer's shined up shoes that's when it really hits you of like homer's feet are just like uh hooves yeah they're not they aren't shoes so much
Starting point is 01:22:48 as hooves even when shined up and that half though looks a lot like the tom landry hat that he bought in uh scorpio the scorpio episode yeah where the little lugger appeared yeah yeah oh my gosh they're bringing it all wow it's all being tied back guys can i ask you how many ad breaks do you have in a simpsons episode when you watch an episode on tv in the states oh yeah it's uh well until about a decade ago it was two you'd have well there'd be one after the opening oh yeah opening commercial break act one commercial break act two commercial break holy shit and then one before the end credits no no not usually uh okay maybe on the hell one halloween episode they they did that but now i think as of a few seasons ago the three-act structure the the classical structure for all of storytelling has been disrupted by more commercial
Starting point is 01:23:38 so now there is like a 92nd fourth actth act. Yeah. Oh, shit. I mean, new episodes are written around that structure. Jesus. Yeah, I think they understand the last act in quotes can't be that important. It's got to be like the denouement or whatever. It's very strange, and I really don't like it. Okay, because in Ireland and England, it's one ad in the middle. Really?
Starting point is 01:24:03 Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. So are the axe breaks at least the same do they take a commercial at one of the times where we take commercials or is it a whole new cut in the middle where they insert a commercial i think it's the second one so it'd be about 15 minutes 15 17 minutes in wow that's wild respect storytelling i do believe that the ads are a little bit longer like you know like uh over there they're pretty short right uh they can be they get longer all the time but oh yeah like two and two was what they would say it's like two minutes 20 seconds or so that used to be how long they were i just you watch an episode of blackadder or something, and it's like a half hour show.
Starting point is 01:24:45 How long is it? 29 minutes, 30 seconds. Yeah. Yeah. I was actually going back to look at the Untouchables series from the 50s and 60s. And, you know, when you go on Wikipedia, it tells you how many episodes there and how long there. They're all like 56 minutes long. So it's like four minutes of commercials per hour.
Starting point is 01:25:02 I think a lot of those shows were basically funded by brought to you by folgers it's folgers presents the untouchables or whatever you know philip morris yeah something like that so i think probably cigarettes yeah yeah children's cigarettes the sponsors were more hands-on especially with those like charlie brown specials yeah well that you know that made me think of the charlie specials about how the original Charlie Brown Christmas special that aired in America, when they still air it now on regular television, it used to be a half-hour special,
Starting point is 01:25:33 and now it's an hour long because there's just so many new ads in it. And they basically add five extra minutes of newer animation at the end just to be like to get it to fit the hour it's it's so weird it was a dolly madison and coca-cola and things like that for the first year yeah one the simpsons that four-act structure has really messed with treehouse of horror and the treehouse of horror adjacent show oh boy i forgot about that yeah i think the
Starting point is 01:26:01 first time i saw that was in the it was their their storybook one that had like Macbeth and the fountainhead in it. And when they get to the end, Lisa's like, so let's tell a fourth story. And Marge is like, normally only do three. There's also a great line about Homer suggesting what things they could also make beer out of, of just like delicious caulk. They're having some fun with that line. They really are. They know what they're doing. They're having some fun with that line. They really are. They know what they're doing. They know.
Starting point is 01:26:27 And here, again, Rex Banner being terrible at his job. Are you the beer baron? Well, if you're talking about root beer, I plead dildly-ildly as char-diddly-ard. He's not the baron, but he sounds drunk. Take him in. Are you the beer baron? So Homer's walking by with like barley and mash and tequila worms. Tequila worms. Not even just worms. Officially tequila worms.
Starting point is 01:27:16 A very helpful sign on those worms to let people know. And I think Banner's taking how's it hanging very literally. None of your business. And his investigation technique is just randomly stopping people and threatening them with violence to say are you a banner yeah i'm sorry you're the beer parent it's like i think it's the second time people have mistaken flanders mannerisms for being drunk or high goofball yeah hopped up on goofballs his comic book guy's sarcasm here is quite great here except he can't you know only once he's called tub he's like oh yes it's a sad reminder i also like homer buying the bathtubs and refusing a discount the the outlandish bizarre discount where a store would sell you 50 bathtubs it's like a special
Starting point is 01:27:59 they're having those are very cheap bathtubs yeah 50 for three thousand dollars yeah yeah unless they're just wash basins but now they're better bathtubs and homer starts making the liquor and that's when we get the what seems like a reference to timothy mcveigh and the oklahoma city bombing where homer says we're just disobeying an unjust laws we're patriots like uh all those guys in jail because that is what timothy mcveigh said and other anti-government folks who did attacks like the oklahoma city bombing they were just like no i'm a patriot we're the real patriots which i still hear today from american bored terrorists and like mcveigh a lot of their beliefs are steeped in white supremacy. Oh, yeah. There you go. Anyway, have fun with that. I love how his basement can magically hold 42 bathtubs.
Starting point is 01:28:48 Yes, yeah. I think Extapalapa Kettle is still down there, too, with the 30 bathtubs. Sorry, how many bathtubs were there? 42 bathtubs, yes. 42 bathtubs. And the Olmec head can fit in there. The ceiling is raised. Go back to Hurricane Nettie and the ceiling
Starting point is 01:29:06 is at basically Marge's eye level. Yeah, that's true. What is this, some kind of magic basement here? Boy, I hope someone got fired for that film, man. That's a complex background drawing. All those bathtubs lined up. It's great. Homer thinks he's got it all figured out until his
Starting point is 01:29:21 liquor starts exploding. What on earth happened down there? One of the stills... Uh, nothing, Marge. I think it must have been that bean I had for dinner. Kaboom! Blah-ham-oh! Excuse me again, dear.
Starting point is 01:29:39 There's no point in pretending you're making those noises. Your homemade liquor is exploding again. What, dear? Ka-blam-o! You made some money and had the fun of being a wanted criminal. Why not quit now, while you're ahead? Boom.
Starting point is 01:29:57 I'll be right back. It's hot! I thought about what you said, honey, and I've decided to quit. Homer deciding to disguise the explosions as gas, as farting. Not as clever as his initial plan yeah his cleverness is good well partially because he's saying kaboom blam it's not even farted and he's covered too that he ate a single bean for dinner which like said the most amount of vegetables homer would eat in one meal the final explosion is such a good sound effect job of like, this is a very different and more powerful explosion than the many beforehand that were happening. The house should be just, I don't know, in pieces.
Starting point is 01:30:53 It should all be on fire. If Homer's on fire, the house is on fire. Homer decides to give it all up, but he still has his wonderful money, which that's a great lesson he has learned, just the way he lovingly is stroking his money. That's all that matters to him. And we get to see poor, poor Wiggum. Poor Wiggum. Poor Wiggum.
Starting point is 01:31:13 I'll bet you really hate Rex Banner, huh? Um, who? The guy who took your job. Oh, yeah. More than anything in the world. Hey, how would you like to show him up by beating him at his own game i'm happy to report that the flow of illegal liquor seems to have dried up public drunkenness has ceased and those mysterious liquor clouds over evergreen
Starting point is 01:31:37 terrace are gone people rex banner has won your war against alcohol what about the beer baron? I suspect he was just an invention of the media. The idea that someone like that could operate under my very nose is laughable. Well, you all know what laughter sounds like. We now go live to Evergreen Terrace where I am informed that former police chief Wiggum has captured the Bear Baron. Captured Homer? Boy, the idea that Rex Banner is too straight-laced to even laugh is great.
Starting point is 01:32:16 But boy, that's some great attempted laughter. It's even hard to describe what Dave Thomas is doing. He's just like choking and sputtering. It's just caught in his sputtering yeah it's just caught in his throat and you don't know what laughter sounds like and the animation to match and he kind of like reaches first throat like oh it's so uncomfortable i can't do it yeah that's the thing like you know rex is obviously not a fun loving character he is dry and you know also he doesn't drink so that's probably what they're
Starting point is 01:32:45 trying you know maybe hinting that uh if you have a tipple now and again you might be up for a little bit of fun as well you know yes he hates all fun i also love the gag uh right before this i didn't grab but of wigum threatening homer with a gun and then saying that it doesn't work because he sold off parts to feed his family it's like you would it's such a great dark joke but you would sell just the gun you can't that is the extra hilarious ridiculousness of it you don't slowly sell parts of a gun for money you can throw it pretty hard we don't see how uh sarah and ralph wiggum are suffering because of this he's the breadwinner i don't know what sarah Wiggum does, but I assume she's a housewife because we don't see her employed anywhere. If we saw Ralph eating coleslaw packets or starving, it might be too dark.
Starting point is 01:33:34 It might be like, you know, this is too sad. We have to forget that Wiggum has a family for this to work. Or at least not see them. Out of sight, out of mind. I love Wiggum agreeing that he's poor poor wiggum like and he forgot about rex banner after meeting him yeah until then he remembers like oh yes he's uh the person i hate more than anything more than anything in the world uh homer does a real nice favor for wiggum but uh kind of doesn't pay off so well for homer nope
Starting point is 01:34:03 then the liquor-filled bowling balls traveled through a network of underground pipes, finally emerging at a nearby speakeasy. You forgot one thing, Wiggum. Yeah, what's that? I filled the balls with a funnel. That was a very sweet thing you did for poor Wiggum. But what's going to happen to you?
Starting point is 01:34:23 Oh, probably just a slap on the wrist. And he who shall violate this law shall be punished by catapults. Last time I helped you. Sorry, I thought you'd get a fine, or at most three, four years in jail. Hold it!
Starting point is 01:34:39 This machine is two centuries old. Better test it first. And then he killed a cat. There are two deaths in this scene. Better test it first. No. And they kill a cat. Yes. There are two deaths in this scene. Yeah, it's pretty great. I mean, you don't see where they land. You can't.
Starting point is 01:34:53 They might not be dead. And for a second, you think Rex Banner is going to call this off because the machine is so old. He's like, no, let's test it. Yeah. Wasn't this a thing in The Simpsons? Like, they wouldn't show, like, kind of live animal violence? Like, they're allowed to kill kind of, is it scratchy? Wasn't this a thing in The Simpsons? They wouldn't show live animal violence? They're allowed to kill, is it scratchy?
Starting point is 01:35:10 Oh, I mean, in the cartoons they kill the animals a bit. But they, say, with gutting fish, they did that quite a lot in the Tokyo episode, for example. Yeah, and in this season's Treehouse of Horror, Lardlight kicks a dog down the street. That's true. Oh, wow. Yeah. Poor dog. We don't hear a thump like we do and so in the season one episode called the simpsons where they they catapult a rabbit instead of catching it you do hear a thump yeah when the rabbit flies across off screen of course
Starting point is 01:35:35 hilarious yeah it's very good that was maybe the first joke i truly loved as a kid and watching the simpsons but the homer's correction i like i filled it with a funnel that's a great that's a great moment too but that he the just the reintroduction of the catapult and saying bye catapult it's like you you as a viewer are just immediately remind like they did say that they did remind us of that they also everyone in town is pretty okay with them killing Rex Banner. They saw the person who pulled the lever. They watch him fly away. They know who killed him. And they're like, that was unexpected.
Starting point is 01:36:14 Anyway, better catapult Homer now. Well, I mean, no one was really on board with Rex Banner outside of the Temperance League or whatever. Everyone else was just drinking at Moe's. And by failing to catch the beer baron, now they're like, you're not even good at that. Let's just get, so let's kill you which it implies that he's a government agent that they have on loan too so that you think they get in a lot of trouble for that but oh well things look pretty dark for homer but it's a happy ending in the end it's not up to us to choose which laws we want to obey if it were i'd kill everyone who looked at me cockeyed and they look at him
Starting point is 01:36:46 that was unexpected well reset the catapult and let's get this over with wait i've discovered more lines on the parchment it says that the prohibition law which was passed here 200 years ago was repealed 199 years ago. Release the prisoner. On behalf of the city, I'd like to apologize and ask how long it will take for you to flood
Starting point is 01:37:19 this town with booze again. Well, sorry. I'm not in that business anymore four minutes and so one town's brief flirtation with prohibition ended in a joyous remarriage to lady liquor congratulations springfield we wish you the very best to alcohol the cause of and solution to all of life's problems one thing that we can't get a clip of everything but one thing i really like in this episode is marge's nonsense speech which really is evocative of america and what we believe in uh so she says car crashes and fistfights have been down recently but prohibition has cost us our freedom our freedom to drink where we are all just hard
Starting point is 01:38:06 lining freedom addicts regardless of the consequences of freedom or what freedom means in certain contexts we're just like no freedom above all freedom is the word yes i do whatever i want freedom sure some people a lot of people aren't dead now but what about that freedom yes their freedom to die well i think in in our country at least we use the idea of freedom to wave away problems like well that person chose to be poor in america yeah you can choose to be anything it's your freedom to do that uh i uh that speech at the end there too of homer i mean the cause of insolution to all life's problems that is a great great line the perfect exit line i feel like i've
Starting point is 01:38:45 seen multiple t-shirts just steal that or i've seen that i've seen that meme so many times online that i wonder like do you even know where this is from do you have you watched the simpsons sir i thought that i thought that when i first saw can't sleep clown will eat me shirts at hot topic in the early 2000s i'm like this is an unlicensed reference. I've called the police on you. You actually, at a bar near my house, they have that on a placard with no homer. Just a generic quote. Do you guys have
Starting point is 01:39:13 Doff beer in your bars? No, we do not. We have bad beer in our bars. Bad enough to be Doff. Actually, not so much around here. I think the worst beer you can get is probably PBR, Pabst blue ribbon yeah uh i mean we have had duff beer at universal studios flow uh hollywood we've been yeah we've been to the springfield there have you guys uh visited that in any of your trips to america yeah we were there last year one in orlando yeah oh yeah for wrestlemania
Starting point is 01:39:43 we got a crustusty Burger. Which is just a cheeseburger. But you know, $18. You can get Duff beer in Ireland but it's Spanish brand. Interesting. I've never had that. The Duff beer at Universal was alright. I put it like
Starting point is 01:40:01 it's probably on par with a Sam Adams beer. So like above dirt beer. It also too expensive for a sam adams style beer yeah but that was everything there i mean the big pink donut was really great too but it was i think 15 that was a good donut for being just mass-produced trash it was very very good and fluffy and just the right amount of moistness it's hard to believe this episode started in saint patrick's day because it feels a very long time ago this is a really great episode on just the prohibition of a ton of this old timey throwbacks and i guess my last note i'd say is is the final genius at work moment here is that by the repealing of the 18th amendment all over america
Starting point is 01:40:46 prohibition is not legal so even if the town of springfield could have prohibition national law i believe would supersede that thus making it illegal to have prohibition anyway but you know hey maybe we've got some legal eagle listeners out there that can correct me on that one as with regards to America. Couldn't you just hold a referendum to lift the prohibition ban, even if you couldn't? I don't know. Only in a republic. But yeah, it's just a bit of crack.
Starting point is 01:41:12 You have to go along for the ride. So my final thoughts are, I do like this episode a lot. And it's a very good Schwarzwalder episode or Schwarzwalder, however you want to say that. It's very old timey. A man from out of time steps into the Simpsons world and is murdered but there's lots of great old timey stuff and I even though I've never seen the untouchables I love
Starting point is 01:41:29 these sorts of stories and in case you weren't aware we did our live show of this one way way back in March so god seven months ago as of this recording so I want all of our Genius Network listeners out there if you subscribe to the Talking Simpsons Network go back to our live show and let us know if we made the same jokes I bet we did.
Starting point is 01:41:45 Probably. Then you can reveal us for the frauds that we are. I'm just your memory. I can't give you any new information. But Jay, V1, what are your final thoughts on this episode? As a person who's kind of given up watching The Simpsons for like the last couple of years,
Starting point is 01:42:00 it's been a while since I watched one. It's been a while. My God, it was bloody great um i absolutely loved this episode living over here you know seeing paddy's day the people wearing green learning about the whole pinching thing which i didn't know about laughing at you know the drinking and the violence and everything uh seeing that fucking chipper being blown up was crazy as well oh my god but i also love uh rex banner as a as a character like he is such a dry shite that that he that he fits in perfectly next to you know wigum and homer and everything also seeing a homer doing something that's really fucking smart
Starting point is 01:42:41 is is awesome you know mar marriage is awesome here as well because she does a nag homer and of course it ends with one of the great simpsons quotes of all time as well so yeah uh whopper episode absolutely loved it yeah well this episode is preposterous you know but it's phenomenal you know uh the script is logical it's still tight as a drum and super sharp and most importantly funny there's so many quotes here that stand the test of time i just like legendary simpsons writer john schwartzwell that knocking it out of the park so like for me there's about eight seasons just you know one after you're aware it's like a 10 on 10 so this is a 10 for me like if i quote most of this episode in my day-to-day life, it has to be a sound. And, you know, in pro wrestling parlance, they put over Rex Banner Strong at the start,
Starting point is 01:43:30 so then at the return match, Wiggum can get a big win after. Oh, my God. I'm surprised wrestling never came up in this entire episode. But, guys, we'll do our plugs once we're off the air with you. Can you tell us how to see the OSW review? Oh, if you go into youtube's um once you google osw with the room you can watch our review of the room that's pretty good and you don't have to be a wrestling fan to enjoy it but you still have to watch the right i am a big fan
Starting point is 01:43:54 of your guys's stuff i do think if you're if you're not a wrestling fan i still think you will get a lot of enjoyment out of the wrestling ones i also i love the the segments you put within the episodes that you then even just bust out into their own videos like people want you know a shorter dose of what you guys do so well definitely like uh your lesbian pollen video is a really good one oh my god i slapped on together in like two hours and it's what 16 million views i'm so ashamed the amount of creepy comments on that video uh but a less creepy one is like your history of tna was a really good one your history of the renegade the tragic story of the wannabe ultimate warrior renegade is a very good one yeah i mean old school wrestling is the
Starting point is 01:44:37 only wrestling i know so i'm on board and and yeah you're deep into the lex express at the time of listening to this yeah osw review on patreon it's it's you get you get a ton of cool extras too on there like you guys i love your film reviews on there too like that complete garbage jesse ventura film you guys dug up that oh boy yeah i i know a braxis well with schwarzenegger you know with running man and he was even in demolition Man and so and then he's like alright I'm going to break out on my own and then it's like oh after
Starting point is 01:45:09 that film right back to the mid card straight back to wrestling some people are meant to be sidekicks you know you don't need to give them the power booking to the top at all and Jesse is proof of that anyway like Talking Simpsons you guys do a phenomenal show.
Starting point is 01:45:26 Thank you. It was brilliant. And congratulations with your Patreon as well. Thanks a lot, guys. I really enjoyed being on the show as well. And if we're not back, Avenged It. So thanks again to the OSW review guys for being on the show.
Starting point is 01:45:41 And I hope we have redeemed the Irish for our listeners. They're cool people. They did not threaten us in any way and they were sober as far as I could tell. So thank you very much. You represented your people well. But as for us, we are part of the Talking Simpsons Network and our entire network is supported by subscribers and if you want to be a subscriber,
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Starting point is 01:46:24 well the top one i'll bring up is our interview with Bill Morrison, the former creative director at Bongo Comics, who has worked on so much of the drawings of Simpsons you don't even know about. He drew all the covers to your favorite classic Simpsons video games in the early 90s, plus a ton of Simpsons comics, and he tells us something me and Bob didn't even really know how much he informed the look and visual design of Futurama so listen to that one Bill Morrison oh and speaking of Futurama if you want to hear me and Bob talk about the entire first season of
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Starting point is 01:47:18 We love it so much, and we love when you help support the shows. And as for me, I am Bob Mackie. You can find me on Twitter as Bob Servo. My other podcast is retro knots it's a classic gaming podcast you can find that at retronauts.com or by looking for retronauts wherever you listen to podcasts we've been doing it since 2006 for god's sake so there's got to be something on there you want to listen to if you like video games and if you don't like video games you better start buddy they're the wave of the future all the kids are playing video games these days how about you henry i'm h-e-n-e-r-e-y-g on twitter
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