Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Homer's Barbershop Quartet With Katie Plattner

Episode Date: August 21, 2024

We start season five with a first-time guest to help us with this Beatles parody: Katie Plattner, from the podcast Screw It, We're Just Gonna Talk About The Beatles and Screw It, I'm Just Gonna Talk About Music Or Whatever! As we dive into the magical time of the '80s, we'll guide you through all of the copious Beatles references in this one, as well as the history of how it happened and its ties to Disneyland musicians. So grab some funny foam and listen now! Support this podcast, hear it ad-free, and get 180+ bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking simpsons head there to check out exclusive podcasts like talking futurama talk king of the hill the what a cartoon movie podcast and tons more. I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, the show that's taking podcasting to strange new places. I'm one of your hosts, the Coney Island baby, Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who is here with me today, as always? Henry Gilbert, a.k.a. Human Fly.

And who is our special guest on the line? I'm Katie Plattner, a.k.a. 100 years old and weighs over 200 tons woman. And this week's episode is Homer's Barbershop Quartet. Ich bin ein Springfield Swap meat patron. I need a drink and a shower. This episode originally aired on September 30th, 1993. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh my God.

Welcome to season five, Bobby. The good son tops the box office. Mariah Carey's Dream Lover is number one on the charts, and the very first version of Myst is released on home computers. Ooh, and Doom is right around the corner. The gaming landscape of the PC is changing. I feel like Myst was a lot of my friends' first CD-ROM video game. But I count on you, Bob, for this. I actually never played Myst, even though it was on every single thing. You know what? I never played Myst either. I missed it, everybody. Come on, come on. My family had it, and I recall just wandering around

and not getting what I was supposed to do. So I technically played it, but I won't say that I did it well. It seemed very pretty like you look at a book in a pretty place and I would then be lost like yeah it was made for looking up answers on the internet I think. I know it was impressive at the time we didn't get a computer until maybe three years later so by the time we got a computer this looked like a boring collection of animated gifs and I was already playing Monkey Island and Sam & Max and all those other more comedic adventure games. But if you want a funnier take on Myst, this is not a joke,

there is a parody version of Myst called Pissed, and it stars the one and only John Goodman. So seek that out. It's abandonware now. Is it spelled P-Y-S-T? It definitely is. And it's also not good at all.

At least you're laughing. It's like, oh hey, John Goodman, he stooped to this once. And Mariah Carey's Dream Lover, I believe that's her first number one of many. At the time, I believe she was also dating the president of Sony, but she was a great singer. But Dream Lover

come back to me. It's a real catchy one. I love that song. There's bigger hits. I think Butterfly is my favorite. I don't know. It's hard to pick. The one she did with Boyz II Men is a great one, too. Heartbreaker?

Is that one? Heartbreaker. That's a really good one, too. That's the one that samples Genius of Love, right? I think so. I think so. And that's the one where the music video is two Mariah Careys fight each other, basically, right? Wow.

Over Jerry O'Connell. I did not remember that, but I'm going to look it up as soon as we are done. I like whatever one she was on a roller coaster. Was that Fantasy? That's Fantasy. Yeah, that's a good one, too. Yeah. Now, when I say that format, that's like every YouTube essayist is like fight she was ahead of all the youtube

essays who have to like fight their evil version of themselves in opening sketches of youtube video essays i don't have tiktok but it sounds like a thing that would be on there of people doing edits where there's two of them oh yeah yeah actually it invented tiktok you're right you're right thanks mariah and yeah what the good son i saw that on vhs later it was the r-rated macaulay Actually, it invented TikTok. You're right. Thanks, Mariah. And yeah, what? The Good Son. I saw that on VHS later. It was the R-rated Macaulay Culkin film. Yeah, I never got around to seeing this. I think the premise was, you saw him defeat the wet bandits twice.

What if he killed a man and said the F word? And that's basically what got people in to see The Good Son. I mean, that's grown up stuff. He's grown up. He's doing grown up stuff like murder and cussing. He's fighting Elijah Wood. Elijah Wood is the the good son. I mean, that's grown-up stuff. He's grown up. He's doing grown-up stuff like murder and cussing. He's fighting Elijah Wood. Elijah Wood is the actual good kid and Macaulay Culkin's the bad kid.

It's also a tussle for the ages of Elijah Wood versus Macaulay Culkin. Now, Bob, I know you're a big Roger Ebert fan. Do you remember? Like, Roger Ebert hated this movie. Like, he really, really hated it. I don't recall what his take was. I know he hated North,

and that was the Elijah Wood vehicle, but I'm sure I was watching the program, but I don't recall this being one of his most hated movies. I looked up his written review in Sun-Times, not the episode of Siskel and Ebert, but he was like, whoever allowed Macaulay Culkin to do this

should be in jail. Like, this is wrong and evil to do to this kid and put him in this movie. He had moral objections to it. Yeah, I haven't seen this movie. Okay, so 93. So they're still young, though. How old would he have been? Oh, yeah, this is like a year after Home Alone 2.

Oh, okay. So yeah, that stuff's too grown up. What's happening? And he is a murderous sociopath in it. Like he has killed multiple people in this film. He's a very dark boy in it. It is creepy. It's a creepy movie.

I guess it was sort of like the bad seed for the 90s, but it didn't go on to have that same legacy as a camp classic. Wow. I've missed everything. That's all that happened on the day that the fifth season of The Simpsons premiered in September of 1993. And joining us for the first time is guest Katie Platner from the podcast Screw It. We're just going to talk about The Beatles. And she's here most appropriately because this is a very Beatles-heavy episode.

Yes. Yes. Thank you for having me. I was really excited to get this invitation because I love the Beatles and the Simpsons. So perfect. Do you remember what you were a fan of first, Katie, the Beatles or the Simpsons? Oh, absolutely. The Beatles. Grew up with that. Was allowed to watch the Simpsons as a kid. And weirdly, there are a lot of pictures of me as a toddler wearing Bart Simpson shirts that I think were hand-me-downs. So it was not off limits. I just was, I guess, a weird child that voluntarily didn't watch TV very much. So I got into The Simpsons as an adult. My ex loved it and so had DVDs. And then once it was streaming, we would just like use a random number generator

to pick what episode to watch. So I've seen specifically seasons two through nine like a lot, but other than that have not kept up at all. I would say we have also seen seasons two through nine a lot. But professionally we have kept up now too, but yes, those are easily the ones we rewatch the most. So it's always interesting to check with guests around our age who grew up in the original Simpsons popularity like if you lived in a house where your parents let you watch the Simpsons or that the Simpsons was bad and evil yeah we were allowed to but I think just neither of my parents watched it and I didn't grow up in a family that watched sitcoms really and so I think there were things about it that I also just kind of didn't

get until I was older I have some memories of watching it or there's a specific treehouse of horror that I remembered once I was then going through more of the show but it was also funny to watch you know later and be like oh this explains like half of what people in internet comments say I used to read AV Club a lot and the comment sections in there, I did not realize, you know, there were things that I assumed were kind of memes generated within that community. And then later I was like, oh, those are just all Simpsons quotes. It's like when you learn Latin and you're like, oh, that's the root word for this. You've learned every Simpsons line that is the starting point of a meme.

Yeah, or I've heard a lot of people say kind of the flip side of things that they saw references to on The Simpsons and then later were like, oh, that's The Godfather or whatever. You know, jokes that make sense way after they first heard them just once they actually get the background or context. I would think The Beatles is one of those things for a lot of people. I know it was for me with this episode. When I saw it on premiere day, I was recently turned 11 and I had heard Beatles songs on

the oldie station that I listened to all of the time, but I didn't know like the Beatles or Beatlemania or all of the many specifics referenced in this episode? Yeah, there are a lot of specifics. So when I rewatched this to prepare, I read the Wikipedia entry about this episode, and there's a section of that that lists pop culture references, and there are a ton because of the swap meet and everything that we'll go through. But there were some Beatles specific

things that aren't even in there. So it gets a little nitty gritty where, you know, and I'll say this up top, I'm not the type of Beatles fan that feels the need to memorize every detail of their lives. You know, I do think that their story is very interesting and I have a lot of affection for them as people, I guess. But some people feel a need to demonstrate fandom by knowing the most. And I just like the music. But I have, you know, through doing the Beatles podcast, have learned a ton. And I read multiple Beatles books, including one called Tune In by Mark Lewis. And that is theoretically the first

of a trilogy, but it is like over 1000 pages long. And it ends at the end of 1962. So a lot of background on like, their grandparents, it's nuts. So I do know details well enough to, you know, participate here. It is surprising because the Beatles are so famous. And when I was doing this podcast and learning more, there was information that was new to me, but that I assumed my parents would know, you know, because they got me into the Beatles and they were there at the time. So I just figured. And then I actually watched Get Back, the whole eight hour thing with my whole family.

And I was so surprised at like the questions that they would ask, you know, where they didn't know the timing of when different albums came out or any of the interpersonal stuff. And, you know, it was easy for me to take for granted that that was like common fan knowledge because some people are so weird about it. But yeah, a lot of people just know the songs, which I think is fine and great. Yeah, it's fun how everyone is just a nerd now, regardless of how much you work out, how social you are. You know everything about something. And I think fandom was different in

our parents' age. My mom, my stepdad loved the Beatles. They were born in the mid-50s, the perfect time to be born to become a Beatles fan. But they never pushed the Beatles on me. We never talked about the Beatles. I think I mostly learned about the Beatles through The Simpsons and maybe a few other TV shows. And then I don't think I heard a Beatles song outside of Twist and Shout and I Want to Hold Your Hand until The Beatles 1 came out when I was, I want to say, 18. And that's the first time I listened to a bunch of Beatles music and everything was unlocking. Like, oh my God, that's a reference to that. I've heard this song and this. It was all just flooding out of my brain. And I don't think I really interfaced with the Beatles again until Beatles Rock Band. So I feel like every 10

years I'm like, Beatles, huh? Let's see what they're all about. But I will say I'm not trying to be a snob. Whenever I hear the Beatles, I enjoy their music. I enjoy learning about them. And I somehow know so much about them. But I rarely really get into their music. It was one of those things that was never pushed on me. And I never really sought out on my own. I know I'm the weirdo here.

You know, I think for as much as I think that the Beatles are great and I still listen to them all the time and I have my whole life and I think they influenced everything and all of that. It is ridiculous to think that every person needs to be knowledgeable about a band from 30 years before they were born or whatever. Well, less than that for us. I think it's cool when people have the kind of experience of discovering the Beatles, or I've heard from a lot of people because they sound so different across their career. And there are four different singers. And, you know, so a lot of people actually getting into the Beatles and knowing 10 different

songs and not realizing they were all the same band. And so I think the potential for discovery kind of on different levels or at different times is part of what's cool about their legacy. Like, I'm not one of the people that's going to argue. I think people who say the Beatles are bad are being contrarian and annoying, probably, but I would never, like, you don't have to love them, you know, that's fine. Yeah, I i mean i felt this way because i was an 18 year old when i first listened to one which was the big collection of beatles singles i thought i am a cool guy listening to cool music how cool am i and i still feel that way when i hear a

beatles song i'm not as proud of other music that i like i'm not really proud of like hearing a weezer song in public or they might be giants i think oh some people aren't gonna like this and i feel a little self-conscious. But when I'm listening to the Beatles, the few times I actively sit down and do it, I think I'm so cool. Participating in one of the most popular things of all time. That's funny. I also like they might be giants and some Weezer. So I think you can feel proud of this. I also want to show off this vintage Paul McCartney, basically the 60s version of a Funko Pop because my mom, Paul was her favorite. She's kind of basic, I'll admit. But she gave this to me because my nephew was born around the time

I left to move out west. And she said, well, he's just going to put this in his mouth and I like this. So why don't you take it? So I've got this really freakish looking Paul McCartney figure and all of the mop top hair is still intact. Commitment to verisimilitude. He's playing bass left-handed. It's his Hoffner, which was just found again recently, if you've heard that story. Wow. You know, I don't know who my mom's favorite was, but she definitely, I turned to her for this episode then for her to explain things to me. Many of the specifics we'll get into in this. It was over time I turned to her of like, we bought the White album on CD.

And she's like telling us how she remembered buying it when she was, you know, like 15 or 16 when it came out. And she takes us through it and she's like, oh, you know, Rocky Raccoon's actually one of my favorites. Telling us about that and just how it is something i consider like a thing to connect me with my mom but not something pushed on me like it was when i was ready for it but the simpsons definitely warmed me up for it same not just this episode but like ringo's appearance in season two kind of started it and then pa Paul in season seven or eight. Man, I always forget. For Lisa the Vegetarian.

Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah. But this one over time is where it really hit me how many references there were in it. I guess, Kate, one more Beatles question I have, though, is like, who is your favorite Beatle and favorite, I guess, favorite album, too? Is it too hard to pick? Okay.

It's hard to pick because there is so much variety. So, you know, different moods call for different things. I don't, okay. If I had to pick a favorite, I feel like I have swung around and some of this is because of solo work, but I think Paul is probably also my favorite. I think he doesn't get credit for being as weird as he is.

Like he was kind of the one that was getting them into avant-garde stuff. And then his solo is like, he's a maniac in a cool way. But he also presents as very like cute and nice and proper. And so I feel like people ignore that and think John's the cool one. John, also very cool. So I guess Paul. But again, that's influenced by post-Beatles work. So I don't know. They're all great. Album wise, my family, we ended up with the CDs of all of the albums. So I knew a lot of them, but my family in the car would often listen to disc one of the White Album or Abbey Road.

So Abbey Road is maybe my favorite in terms of being like a cohesive thing. But I do love the White Album a lot for the variety on there. They get weird. That's cool. Yeah. I guess I'd say Sgt. Pepper is my favorite, but I have not re-listened to i'd say sergeant pepper is my favorite but i have not re-listened all the albums but this is my basic take honestly it's mostly based on loving watching

yellow submarine a bunch as a kid and a lot of the sergeant pepper tracks are in yellow submarine i have one question for katie when it comes to unarmed combat who is the strongest beetle my money's on ringo oh it's absolutely not ringo ringo really is the smallest beetle? My money's on Ringo. Oh, it's absolutely not Ringo. Ringo is the smallest. He was like a very sickly child. I mean, he's probably scrappy. So of them, he was the one that was a little bit more of a true teddy boy, which was, I mean, I'm sure we'll get into this, but the beetles, when they were starting out, they were all like rockers. They were all wearing like tight pants and leather jackets and being bad boys smoking on stage cussing eating on stage just whatever and I mean that was a little bit more

pre Ringo being in the Beatles but Ringo also grew up in Liverpool and was the Teddy Boys it's a specific subculture that you can look up on Wikipedia, but they were like getting in fights and being little punks. I think John might, I would actually put my money on George. He was scrawny, but I think that he would not back down. That's my choice. I think John would be intimidating at first, but George would follow through. Wow. Okay.

I would say based on his attitude during the recording of this episode, I would put my money on George as well. He seems to have some deep aggression. There's a great story that, okay, there's this thing on YouTube that is from an old TV special where Paul McCartney goes and visits the kind of primary school

or maybe secondary school, I forget, that he and George both went to. But he tells a good story in that about some teacher being mean and George's dad showing up and punching the teacher in the face in front of the whole school. So I feel like George, he's got that in him.

Wow. It's funny to return to this one in the light of, you know, Get Back finally came out. It especially gives like new insight into the stuff that this episode parodies in the third act and also there was just technically a new beetle song that was released this year of now and then it was so weird watching the music video and not just

because of like their use of inserting them like band members next to them and magically to me it was so weird because they having clips from like the three of them in the 90s trying recording it and so i'm seeing like what to me in my brain is that's the old beatles from the 90s and then you're seeing 2020s beatles and like and you're being reminded no this is the old beatles that was the middle-aged beatles yeah 90s. Yeah, that song, the song itself is, I think, very pleasant. I don't think it's like one of the best Beatles songs or anything, but song is fine. Music video was nuts, I thought. Yeah, I don't know why the Beatles need to be force ghosts, but they're really good at

continuing to release things. So there are also these periodic, you know, full remix, remaster cleaned up where they'll do the albums on 50th anniversaries or whatever. And then those also come out with tons of bonus material. And so if you're the type of Beatles fan that wants to memorize everything that there is, they really just keep giving it to you you know i think paul seems to have taken kind of the role of being the caretaker of the beatles legacy and i think he's done a good job if you like this kind of thing you know keeping them kind of in the public consciousness or um you know reminding everybody what they were or why they were important.

Oh, yeah. And he finds good people to work with. Like Peter Jackson, he's a very good steward of Beatles history. I think they were right to trust him with all of the stuff that's in Get Back and keeping it alive. Yeah. I wonder, that 16-hour version of Get Back, will it be released someday? Oh, I'm sure. There's no way they're not going to put out a giant box set of every version of Let It Be or Get Back.

Yeah, those were great. So Beatles Love is a Cirque du Soleil show based on Beatles music. And it's really well done because it features mashups of a lot of songs or some of them are combined and using you know anthology versions not album versions and so that was done by George Martin who is the Beatles producer and his son and so his son Giles Martin has also he's the one that's doing all of the remix remaster these re-releases so you, you know, he also grew up in the Beatles legacy, basically, because of his dad. So in some ways, they've kind of kept it in the family. And there was just

recently a re-release of Mind Games, a John Lennon album, that Sean Ono Lennon was completely behind. So I think that there is people that were involved or, you know, whose parents were involved still have a lot of pride and are trying to really like do right by the original members or the legacy. Although I would not fully discount some arguments that these are cash grabs. Sure. Well, the Beatles need more money. I mean, especially the dead ones. Yeah. The behind the scenes on this episode is interesting. Well, the Beatles need more money. I mean, especially the dead ones. Yeah.

The behind the scenes on this episode is interesting. I would point people to journalist Brian Van Hooker for Cracked did a really great oral history on this in 2022 for the 30th anniversary. That has a lot of fun behind the scenes stuff from both the writer of the episode, Jeff Martin, and also the bass singer for the B-Sharps jim campbell which are both very interesting stories it was mainly that jim campbell was the singing voice for skinner mainly in the episode as bass but oh and they're from the dapper dans is that right that is correct yes apparently jeff martin revealed in that interview that he was partially inspired because he was in a barbershop quartet in high school called the Male Harmonies, like male hormones. I think it's the male hormones. Oh, you're right.

Yeah. That's the pun. That's right. That sucks. It's something he doesn't say on the commentary because I don't think he's proud of it. But this is the kind of guy who goes to Harvard and writes for the Simpsons, a guy who had a barbershop quartet in high school. I see. He grew up in Texas in the 60s and 70s, but he also had a barbershop quartet. I mean, it's so, I wonder what has better pun names, improv groups or barbershop quartets? I think it depends on how you define better.

Yeah. I know the names of several improv groups. I only know the name of his barbershop quartet. We should check with your co-host, Will Hinesines if he could help them punch up these barbershop quartet names like improv teams. Oh, man. I mean, I've also done a lot of improv and have heard a lot of those team names. I actually here's one I'm not proud of. And I was on a three person team that was doing this tournament that was-on-three things. And so we had to name ourselves and we went with Humor Centipede, which sucks. So I can't actually claim any, you know, moral superiority or anything here. I mean, some barbershop, are they always puns? Because like Pentatonix is, it's not a quartet, but they're, well, I guess that's more acapella. So maybe that's a a whole separate i bet yeah the barbershop verse acapella people are coming for me now i guess the dapper dans as a group their name is more just alliterative and descriptive not

like a pun that's true yeah maybe i'm misremembering this in oh brother where art thou isn't dapper dan if i feel like that's the name of like a hair cream or like pomade. That's the pomade in it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So are they named after that? I guess I had never thought about if that was a real product. Unfortunately, we didn't have a Disneyland historian on this episode. I should look this up, why they are the Dapper Dans. You know, for whatever reason, the website Ranker has a list of the top 50 barbershop

quartet groups. Not many of them are puns, although i will give a shout out to cardiac arrest oh that's fun c-h-o-r-d you got it okay jeff martin says that they came to him with the pitch was the third in his flashback trilogy because he had previously done i married marge and then lisa's first word and now he's doing his third of the Simpsons in the 80s flashback episodes but instead of like Bart or Lisa's birth they instead decided to make up a time where Homer was a gold record selling musician and then turn it into a Beatles parody and Jeff Martin says he grew up a big Beatles fan but then he also gives huge credit to director mark kirkland who also was a big

beatles fan and wanted to insert all the beatles visual references he could in it like jeff martin in the oral history is very clear of oh if you think you know this shot that looks just like a classic beatles photo was in the script it wasn't like jeff martin took where i was going and could see oh this is a reference to the Let It Be recordings. And then they recreated it in the art. And Jeff Martin wrote all the songs from the first four production seasons. So that's why he's in charge of writing Baby on Board, although the Dapper Dans figured out the breakdown of how it would work with the different harmonies. So he gives them a lot of credit on the commentary. But he was the guy to do this as the flashback guy and the music and the

song guy on the staff. Yeah, he's perfect for it. He is the best songwriter in Simpsons history of any Simpsons writer. And Ken Keeler is very close. I don't want to say Henry slamming Ken Keeler. Well, Ken Keeler just didn't do as much time or writing in the episode. That's true. I think he won the most Emmys, though. You know, he's got the numbers on him. That's true.

He's got points on the board. I don't know who wrote what. But when I was a kid, for some reason, my brother and I, we did have the CD of Songs in the Key of Springfield. And so then when I actually watched the show 15 years later, I was like, oh, that's why there's this song about Planet of the Apes. Well, actually, I am inclined to like Jeff Martin more because he's actually talked to us and Ken Keeler is completely offline in every respect.'s too remote we've interviewed jeff martin before and

yeah actually i just got some comments from jeff martin unrelated to this episode for a future episode people listen to new jeff martin quotes via email and also this was as the debut of season five aljean and mike reese were on their way out but it's not production season five yet listeners so let's keep that clear but apparently behind the scenes Fox wanted the premiere episode to be the one two episodes after this Homer goes to college because it's a fun raucous you know Homer goes to college everybody loves Homer it's a big silly episode and Al Jean was very insistent like we have a beetle in this episode like this is a huge guest and this needs to be the premiere and despite his 10 second role in the episode he was in every commercial oh you'd have to be yeah that's the promo and also the the commentary you learned some fun

things in the commentary but I'm glad they did this oral history because the commentary sounds like it was a fun day in the commentary booth but they've got john lovitz there who they're all having fun with but he's not in the episode and he's just doing silly distractions from what could be fun stories about the making of the episode it's a fun time where john lovitz is calling everyone gay yes yeah oh 1993 when would they have done the commentary this is 2004 oh john lovitz no yeah like that's john lovitz thing though because on the critic commentaries When would they have done the commentary? This is 2004. Oh, John Lovitz, no. Yeah. That's John Lovitz's thing, though, because on the critic commentaries, the showrunners would bring up how John Lovitz kept calling them gay during every recording. And then we were looking up reviews of John Lovitz's comedy club on one of these episodes, and people were complaining that his comedy act is just calling different people gay.

So this is a recurring John Lovitz bit. Wow. What a wonderful bit. Katie, in your comedy career, did you ever even go to the John Lovitz Theater that used to exist in Los Angeles? I did not. I've been to like flappers and comedy store and some of those other clubs where I'm sure he has performed. But no, I don't know anything about his. Well, we will recommend the Yelp page for it because John Lovitz is in the comments.

He's arguing with people about the cost of appetizers. It's great. And this is all just set in amber for the rest of history. Okay. Wow. Yeah, looking that up. It's some of the funniest writing John Lovitz has ever done, I think, unintentionally.

What percentage of his replies are calling people gay? You know what? I think he was keeping it clean because there were moderators. Oh, okay. Wow. The Simpsons will be right back. It's the music event you won't see on MTV. Featuring special guests.

Hello, Homer. I'm George Harrison. Rock and roll groupies. And starring the one and only Homer Simpson. Which one could you write a song? Shut up! The Simpsons season premiere, Thursday on Fox. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there.

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they lost to the Claymation Easter. But I want to guess that the Emmys of 1993 aired two weeks before this and they added it extra late because they were mad that they didn't even get nominated in the comedy writing category and were mad about that. But it could be two things of them being jealous of sure but at that point if you count voiceover emmys they had won nine it's the writers who are mad that when they're saying i'll never win an emmy it's the writers saying that for sure yeah i mean that is also just funny to think of a child needing to be punished for saying he was going to win an Emmy. Yeah.

The nominees that year, it's not a diverse group of nominees because two episodes of Seinfeld won, two episodes of The Larry Sanders Show were nominated, and an episode of Dream On. So five nominees, three shows nominated. And it was the very deserving The Contest episode of Seinfeld that won. But I feel bad for Simpsons that it's like you nominate like two of those duplicate nominees couldn't be something else.

But it likely wouldn't have been Simpsons because they were looked down on for being a cartoon. Yeah, I guess the story is they previously submitted to the Outstanding Animated Program category. And for a couple of years, they tried getting into Outstanding Comedy Series. Then they were just swatted down for being a cartoon. Wow. Then two years later, 95, they go back to the animating program, which they have been dominating ever since, which also makes it again. Every time they complain about not getting Emmys, it's like, but in the animated program category, you've won like at least 25% of the times you've been nominated. You've won a lot of Emmys.

That's so funny to think of it. I mean, just, you know, now how it's considered one of the best comedies or it has that legacy. I mean, I was aware that at the time or when it first started that it was not taken as seriously or that people like didn't understand animation for adults. But it's funny to think of by season five that it was still kind of in that purgatory. In the comedy world, I feel like it took time for it to be respected as an equal in the quality of writing as Seinfeld or Larry Sanders, even though they shared writers, like people who wrote for Seinfeld and Larry Sanders or Cheers that got all these awards. They also wrote for Simpsons.

But Simpsons, I think, was looked down on as the cartoon show that only kids like. And we didn't get an animated feature Oscar until something as high quality as Shrek came out in theaters. And then they said, this deserves the first one. Yeah, we got to make up a whole category for this. Best performance by an ogre. Then they start the season couch gag very wastefully with three different couch gags they use three in a row but it feels like they're catching up for lost time over the summer then we start with jeff martin who again only southerner on staff at the

time referencing i mean not that the american south has ownership of swap meets, but this does feel more like outsiders in L.A. or the big cities. Coastal elites can't understand a swap meet where you bring your own junk to sell and buy from one another or, oppositely, roaches feeding off each other's garbage. You can view it either way. Yeah, L.A. is more like the Rose Bowl flea market where vendors pay a ton to be there and you have to pay to get in and it's a whole thing I grew up in Arizona and there were swap meets we had those you know it used to be you would think you go to a swap meet and get you might find some like super rare thing like Homer they do the joke with Homer later I feel like now like eBay and also the internet has ruined that in that people know what things are worth or they, you know, they're not as likely to throw out their kids comic books

that are worth a million dollars. There was a local flea market that I went to a ton that was essentially this. Yeah. I think now if you have some insane find a valuable thing that you get for cheap, it's usually estate sales where people don't have time to fully inventory everything and, you know, someone died and they're just getting rid of all this stuff. And so I feel like that's where that'll happen. But yeah, people being able to look up the value really changes things. And then also, especially, you know, in LA or I'm sure New York or bigger cities that there's such a market for vintage right now that people also go they're called pickers where they show up first they're like there on opening for all these

different you know goodwill or the flea markets or all this and so they're snatching stuff up to then resell at a markup so i don't have a point here except that everything is more expensive oh yeah after we see the very fun design of the cornucopia full of junk, we get Quimby's hateful views on it. It's fitting of a Kennedy parody. Then in our first clip here, I had to get this because Hank Azaria portraying Mo imitating Lucille Ball is so fantastic. Oyster shells hand-painted to resemble Lucille Ball is so fantastic. Oyster shells, hand-painted to resemble Lucille Ball.

You'll love Oyster Lucy. Oh, Mr. Mooney, I just gotta meet Bob Cummings. Viv! Oh, boy, free trading cards. Wow, Joseph of Arimathea. 26 conversions in AD 46! Whoa! A Methuselah rookie card! Well, boys, who'd have thought learning about religion could be fun?

Religion? Learning? Let's get out of here! Hey! This is a great set piece because everyone is just pulling jokes out of boxes. Like, oh, what's this joke it's so great the i love lucy thing i think whenever lucy comes up i do think i've just gotta meet bob cummings it's extra good because it's not a reference to i love lucy it's reference to the lucy show the lesser known less popular color lucy program that happened after i love lucy which is why she's talking to Mr. Mooney

and why she's calling out to her friend Viv. That feels in character for Mo of wanting people's attention and choosing the absolute worst way to get it. And that he has this secret side of him that he makes handicrafts and likes imitating he's probably talked to oyster lucy a lot in his lonelier moments i think yeah and i like later you see that lisa bought an oyster lucy you see that she's playing with it at the start of act two i want to go back really quick because it's a reference to when he says ik benign springfield

swap me patron he's referencing that jfk ik benine Berliner thing that for the longest time everyone thought was a gaffe. And I'm sure maybe I reported that it was a gaffe when we covered this a long time ago. But that is not a translation that reads I am a donut. That's false. He said the correct thing. Okay. I'd always heard that like, oh, did you know he said it wrong? That he said I'm a donut?

It was reported that he said that everyone laughed and it was a big gaffe. But actually none of that happened. And I just learned this for the first time yesterday when I was a donut. It was reported that he said that everyone laughed and it was a big gap, but actually none of that happened. And I just learned this for the first time yesterday when I was doing research. It's so funny how those things catch on or, you know, also anything that you learn when you're seven and you just accept. And then, you know,

the ways that your brain just categorizes that is real and it doesn't occur to you to like, look it up later. Snopes ruined these things. Now now that is i go to dinner at any with family members or friends at any time in the dinner it's like no i think this person was in this movie then they won the oscar for this now just screech to a halt you pull out your phone and you find the answer no arguments anymore it ends conversation sooner. I guess I'm for that in the sense of people having correct information, but also conversations are weird when you're arguing about a fact. Do you know what I mean? Nobody's saying what they think about something. It's just like, well, here's my memory of a true thing. And then,

I don't know. I i mean i get why those arguments happen i've had them about you know autobiographical stuff of arguing with my mom about what year of high school i was in when a certain dog died or whatever where it's like yeah you can't google that i'm right though so yeah that's that's the point that is something funny in beatles research that you can literally like, it's chronicled so much that you can just put in a date in the 60s and Beatles people can tell you what they did on that specific day. Like if a song was recorded that day or if George was somewhere else

or if this person was taking a break from the band or anything, they know it down to like the minute in some cases. Part of it, you know, they were just so well documented at the time. And also from very early that the master tapes of their recordings were not destroyed and taped over like many things were. And so just, yeah, the amount of information from note taking by people in the studio, in addition to that that all of those recordings were preserved, and also that the Beatles, you know, eventually ended up with more time in the

studio than anybody up to that point, and then all of that was so well documented. And aside from the people who, like, know every detail of their personal lives, just the history of the band or of their work, just that level of documentation or preservation is so much of what has made the legacy continue. I've said the word legacy 12 times already, but I'll probably say it more. I have experienced at swap meets or flea markets at least a couple of times being confronted with something that looks like a stand that is selling something. And then this taught me to like, let's get out of here. I definitely had that look to my brother when we as kids were confronted with what turned out to be a preacher at a stand. And we're like, oh, let's get out of here.

We were able to escape and not have to be preached to too much. I think for me, it was mostly sexually explicit items that were not put behind a curtain that were just sort of out. Yeah. I've also seen booths where you're like, oh, they have a bunch of weird old stuff. And then you go over there and half of it's Nazi paraphernalia. It's like, oh, that's what Herman is selling at his table. I'm sure under a cover. Yes.

There was one in particular. A lot of KKK belt buckles. Oh, not vintage. They're crafting them oh no this is uh this is ohio by the way so in case anyone wants to know we see also that lisa goes to buy old toys where they see the original malibu stacy with her large breasts that the censors did not like that joke of the large pointed conical breasts, which, and also it's funny because they say the original male Bustace was 1958 and Barbie first debuted in 1959. So even the date is like a reference to Barbie history. When that knowledge was not known to everybody back then,

only you couldn't just Google it in 1993 when they put that in there. For the Beatles nuts involved in making this episode it is interesting to think about like where they were getting that information just from being big fans yeah obsessively reading interviews because we'll get to it but the album cover that's like a parody of the Abbey Road album cover is if you're a Beatles fan you know what the album covers look like. So that makes sense. But yeah, some of these others that, you know, have to do with specific quotes or relationship things or whatever, where it's like, did you just memorize interviews and you sought them out from a million? I mean, and there would be fan circles

where people would circulate bootlegs and, you know, so I'm sure they had access to that. But it's just it is so different thinking about if you were writing something like that now, the kind of research you'd be able to do. Yeah, it seemed just like the collective knowledge of all of these guys who were born late 50s, early 60s. What are the strongest Beatles memories? What are the most iconic moments? And of course, they are renting Let It Be for some of the breakup stuff as well. But yeah, you're right. If this is written today,

you can go so deep into individual moments that we can all pull up now. But I think they were thinking, let's do the things that people remember because presumably most of the audience watching this, except for the kids, had lived through all of these moments. Another very smart, deep reference,

though this is like the third time they've done it on the show prisoner 24601 which is from les miserables let's say they're doing it from the victor hugo novel not a reference to the very popular in the 80s and 90s musical but i just love now watching it that skinner as a prisoner of war he just laughs it off and just puts the thing that was trapped on his head for two years he just puts it on like it still fits small world he just it's not traumatizing to him at all it's just like oh that's funny huh well he had that really good soup in the pow camp

that he's never been able to recreate or find again so for a while i remembered that the prisoner number was a reference to something and I've read Les Mis but forgot that that was Jean Valjean's number in prison but just because of what it is I assumed it was from Man in the Iron Mask and then when I was reading about the episode I was like oh misremembered what that was a reference to for me growing up my mom played the soundtrack of far more than beatles music and so one of the songs is just jean valjean screaming two four six oh one so that is lodged in my brain and also as a kid i was in 93 i was enough of a comic book nerd to at least recognize that homer is throwing away action comics number one the most valuable comic book that exists it's a great parody that in a five cent box mrs glick is giving away things

that are all worth huge amounts of money even then oh you better believe i looked all this up people except for one of the copies of the declaration of independence there are 26 known copies of it well i guess in circulation that that are have been placed in very safe places they're not being traded around and and sold but that's kind of priceless so no real price on that action comics number one recently sold for six million dollars this year actually at an auction and then we have the inverted jenny postage stamps they're worth about 1.6 million dollars and then a stradivarius violin depending on the condition if it's authentic it could be worth upwards of 20 million dollars there were a lot of fake Stradivariuses that were made a certain period of time that were kind of flooding the market but there are authentic ones that can be

they can be determined to be authentic by certain methods so yeah very very expensive the funny thing with the inverted jenny gag too is that like i looked up some of those prices too and they are for single stamps this is an entire sheet of them so yeah it's worth like 30 times yes thank you because i guess there was only one sheet of the mistake stamps that were printed it is a great joke about dreaming of these fines at a garage sale or whatever and then homer is too stupid to know any of them are worth something i love with the stamps that he's like the plane's upside down and then he rotates the sheet 90 degrees before he puts it down like he doesn't actually flip it upside down he just i guess looks at it sideways for a second then we see that the reason the family's there is because marge is selling the paintings they had previously set up in season two and i love that just stamp

the ticket guy line it's all right i doubt my son or daughter is that stupid for marge though and nobody buys a wishbone necklace well katie you're an artist have you been in this experience that marge has had selling art at a swap meet not a swap meet i've done i guess craft fair is maybe the closest thing. I've done a couple of those. I don't like it that much. I don't, I've not had a day quite as unsuccessful as Marge, but I've definitely had where people walk by and go like, and then move on.

I'm like, yes, but nothing quite as demoralizing as what Marge experiences here. Your wishbone necklaces didn't move too well either. I mean, I guess I should add those to the rotation and see how I do. Then we see the comic book guy also is a record collector, which is, I mean, it's not unrealistic. A guy who sells comic books

would likely be a guy who has a record collection and then sells them at swap meets. That makes sense. It makes sense if you're into what edition something is or what printing something is there's overlap and i love that bart even bart the biggest crusty fan in the world does not want what seems to be like a cover of like jazz standards of wonderful marvelous crusty we have a good joke about how kids don't know, I guess technically, the Beatles or Alvin and the Chipmunks as Bart and Lisa make a crazy discovery. What the hell's this?

Melvin and the Squirrels. Part of the rodent invasion of the early 60s. Stuck a feather in his cap and called it rice-irony. Melvin! Bart, look! It's Dad! Dad, when did you record an album? I'm surprised you don't remember, son. It was only eight years ago.

Dad, thanks to television, I can't remember what happened eight minutes ago. No, really, I can't. It's a serious problem. What are we all laughing about? Who cares? Anyway, it all happened during that magical summer of 1985. A maturing Joe Piscopo left Saturday Night Live to conquer Hollywood. People Express introduced a generation of hicks to plane travel. And I was in a barbershop quartet.

There's a ton there to pick apart, but I just first want to say the bit of how Bart and Lisa shrug at Melvin and the Squirrels. It's like, makes no sense to them. They're like, well, what is this thing? But I think the Simpsons writers did not know that Alvin and the Chipmunks had an 80s revival. So children, we did know about Alvin and the Chipmunks. It was like, what if they sang Michael Jackson songs? That was the premise of the new Chipmunks. And then I feel like they come back every 20 years. So we're due for more Chipmunks within the next five years.

Well, within the last 10 or 15, there were movies of them, right? Where it's like half animated, half live action. Yeah, I feel like those were the mid to late aughts. Oh, was it that long ago? I've never seen any of them. Yeah, I think it was a while ago. I was just hearing stories about the third one, Chipwrecked, told on our friend Mark Malkoff's podcast by David Cross and all the fun he had working on that third Chipmunks

movie. David Cross had a horrible time. Well, there's another good very fun name at least chipwrecked oh man chipwrecks the the second one's called the squeakwell they have chipmunk puns and by the way the first film from 2007 written by john viti who swears his idea was better than the movie yes don't blame simpsons legend john viti for the quality of the first alvin and the chipmunks film wow i like the idea of there having musically been a rodent invasion so that yeah beatles

reference in terms of the british invasion but also invasion is a funny word like usually i guess infestation would be yeah just musically like we couldn't get enough of well, I know we're about to get to it, but Homer saying that it was seven years before Achy Breaky Heart and they needed something to fill the void. So bringing back Barbershop, because this would have been a couple of years before the kind of like swing revival happened, right? Yeah, like places around 95, 96, whenever swingers came out. And then like Brian Setzer Orchestra. A Barbershop revival sounds insane when they pitch it then but yeah then like within a few years of this episode

the swing revival is in full swing well yeah there's no other way to say it and i tried looking into barbershop for this podcast but it seems like no one cares enough to do a history on it all the sources say oh the origins of this style of music are obscure, and no one actually knows why it's called Barbershop Quartet. Here are some possible reasons why. And it's not very well documented, and it was such a brief fad. It's perfect for The Simpsons because it's a fad that was phased out by the 1920s. So it's the perfect old-timey thing to revisit that nobody was thinking about in 1993.

We get our very first Beatles reference right from the album cover Bart and Lisa are looking at the first B-sharps album cover is a reference to the first-ish Beatles album called Meet the Beatles like their foreheads in black and white yeah okay so I Rodan Invasion is all like a half reference and then yeah at Marge's booth doesn't she have that painting of Ringo well that's true her Ringo painting is there you're right that would be the first Beatles reference yeah okay but yeah definitely the explicit one of that the B-sharps are gonna be like the Beatles is the album cover and there is something magical about the idea that a child who's like eight or

ten like bart and lisa could find something and be like well wait you know my parent was a human being before i was born they lived a life before that like i think that's a rich place for storytelling too i mean i don't have kids but like i just hung out with nieces and nephews at a family reunion and we were going through like old dvds and it was kind of neat to have like a 10 year old nephew say like wait what's you know this dvd or what's this comic book about and i can explain how things existed before they were born and also in classic jeff martin framing he sets up with a references to what was happening in 1985 that's why we do the history the way we do in case you're a new listener That's why we do the history the way we do,

in case you're a new listener. That's why we do it. Lisa's first word had Marge saying, a young Joe Piscopo taught us how to laugh. And this one, Homer is saying, a maturing Joe Piscopo left Saturday Night Live to conquer Hollywood. And you probably have not heard of the movies he was in, things like Johnny Dangerously, Wise Guys, and Dead Heat. Although you might have heard bad movie podcasts cover them. if you're a weird al completist you've maybe heard of johnny dangerously yes because he wrote a song for it that wasn't actually in the movie although i watched the music video for it yesterday and it's mostly original weird al footage looking very young by the way with some johnny dangerously clips snuck in there so it's a time when michael keaton had similar billing to joe piscopo well joe piscopo

make his appearance on tv he does every five years is for the saturday night live reunion snl 50 is coming up in february will he appear on snl 50 well probably only if his boobie career hasn't blown up before then i do love he can still surprise you That everything Homer lists I just love how off base A lot of those are Homer's understanding of pop culture Is like he is not With the zeitgeist generally

And everybody remembers People Express I remember it And I know what it is This episode made me aware of it I guess it was a budget airline that merged with Continental in 1987 That's basically it, that's what it is this episode made me aware of it i guess it was a budget airline that merged with continental in 1987 that's basically it that's all there is to it oh okay i was born in 1987 so i'm some of these are also things that were before my time it's also funny like i was 11 one year older than bart is written to be in this episode so when homer says

you don't remember eight years ago when it first aired i as a kid was like well i don't remember 1985 either i was the same age and it's why i like these early 80s simpsons episodes because i was technically around but i was not aware enough to remember 1984 or 1985 i mean that's how i feel about a fair amount of the early 90s as well where there's a lot that as an adult i've learned and been like oh that's what was going on I do think it's you know of course I guess part of what I like about this particular joke is also that Homer is like well you remember it it was only eight years ago and then instead of referencing like don't you remember when I was traveling all the time and when mom had to do this or like anything in Bart's personal life that he's setting the scene of 1985 as a time for everyone obviously none of that's going to trigger Bart's memory when Bart says the tv has ruined his short-term memory and well all of his memory

when they all laugh Homer at the end goes like who cares anyway like it seems like Homer's agreeing he can't remember eight minutes ago either there's maybe i think three comedic transitions where a character goes anyway in this episode it's very great works every time and so then now it's time we jump head first into beatles reference town here with moe's tavern has now been renamed in the flashback moe's cavern a reference to the Cavern Club where many early Beatles or Quarrymen performances happened. Yes.

I forget if they would have still been the Quarrymen when they started performing at the Cavern. But so we'll get into this with somebody getting kind of kicked out of the group. In the Beatles, their original drummer Pete Best eventually was replaced by Ringo. But the Cavern Club was owned by Pete's mom. So he was like, kind of their connection to getting a bunch of gigs there. And then that's when they started getting, because they had performed and then they had like gone to Germany for a little bit and then came back. But that was where they were doing regular gigs and like gaining a following so you know it's fairly storied in the Beatles history oh and the voices you hearing singing goodbye my Coney Island baby that is all the Dapper Dans who their names are at base Jim

Campbell baritone Dan Jordan lead Shelby Grimm and tenor Mike Economo Economo and Jim Campbell in the oral history article I read supplied a wonderful vintage picture of them when they recorded or how they dressed as the Dapper Dans when they recorded the episode. Well, you know, most of these songs have the word baby in them, Henry. So I'm not going to accuse you of getting this wrong because they're actually singing Hello, My Baby, which is the 1899 song about contacting your best gal through that new invention the telephone is that also the song is it the same hello my baby that the chestburster in space balls sings absolutely that's where i place this song because i saw space balls a thousand times and i like how a hundred years later britney spears updated the song with her own song, Email My Heart. It's the 1999 version of Hello My Baby.

God, that's ridiculous. I love it. I'm so sorry. The Coney Island one comes a little later. Again, Henry, they all have the word baby in them. Hello. Hello. Hello.

Hello. Hello, my baby. Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime, ragtime gal. Every afternoon at Moe's, Chief Wiggum, Principal Skinner, Apu and I would get together and sing. And the crowds went wild. If you refuse me, honey, if you refuse me, then you'll be left alone. Barbershop? That ain't been popular since ought six, dagnabbit. Bart, what did I tell you? No talking like a grizzled 1890s prospector.

Concern it. Anyway, rock and roll had become stagnant. Achy Breaky Heart was seven years away. Something had to fill the void. And that something was barbershop. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbyebershop. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.

Goodbye. Goodbye, my Coney Island baby. That's my son up there. What, a balding fat ass? Uh, no, the Hindu guy. Never to see you any. Never gonna see you any. I'm gonna nail that cop right between the eyes. Never to see you any. Never gonna see you any. I'm gonna nail that cop right between the eyes.

Never to return again. Right after this song is over. Goodbye my Coney Island babe. Jeff Martin mentioned the way he got the Dapper Dance was easy. He had an annual pass to Disneyland that he would go to with his newly born daughter and his wife. And he just went up to the Dapper Dance in Disneyland and asked, would you like to be on the Simpsons to record a barbershop quartet song? And they went for it. They, of course, could not appear as the Dapper Dance because this was back when Disney didn't own the Simpsons.

And so when they recorded they were very excited to do it as they said in the 2022 one Jeff Martin said he went up to the Dapper Dans recently then and asked does anyone ever ask you to sing Baby on Board and they replied to him every day every single day they are asked to sing Baby on Board and they are told they cannot it is very specific which songs dapper dans are allowed to sing at disneyland that's interesting since disney does own fox and everything now that you'd think rights wise it would be allowed but maybe it's just for they're not trying to you know solely the image by bringing in those naughty simpsons the dapper dan interviewed in

that article he said though that he's speculating things might change in the future. Although, Henry, we were just at Universal in the Simpsons area. Did they play the B-sharps music there? I can't remember. Not the vocal version, I don't think. But I definitely heard some,

because that would involve a Harry Shearer clip. That's the thing. Yeah, you're right. Because he's actively singing in all of those songs. Yeah, and in some of them, Hank Azaria, you can hear Wiggum very clearly. I don't know if they're overdubbed or what. It sounded like they recorded, at least some of them were recorded all together,

and it's like, okay, you join in and sing along. But yeah, you're right, others do sound like overdubs, which, hey, the Beatles love those, right? Yeah, they were not the first to use overdubs but then yeah once they become more of a studio band and less of a touring band they are layering the hell out of everything yeah if you do see the dapper dances i have at disneyland you will definitely hear them sing goodbye my cloney island baby i looked up like recent videos on youtube and they're singing that song like in every single one of them and the reason they're're at Disneyland is because Main Street is supposed to be like the 1910s. Is that accurate?

Yeah, yeah. It's supposed to be old timey Americana with only the good things about old timey America as Walt Disney remembered it. Though also it definitely feels like they're like pulling from the then contemporary vision of middle America Main Street that was in the music man because the music man features a barbershop quartet as major characters right in that musical so in this case though it's skinner wiggum and apu with homer which is ridiculous that homer was in a very popular band with them like in a one-hit wonder band with these characters who he otherwise treats as

strangers every previous episode to this one. In this one that even when he's telling Bart and Lisa kind of the story of the B-Sharps, that he still calls them Principal Skinner and Chief Wiggum. He doesn't call them by their first names. I love how the end of the episode acknowledges that none of this makes sense. But it's important to remember that whenever Homer is buying beer at the Quickie Mart or whenever he is talking

to Chief Wiggum, in the back of his head he thinks, oh, we won a Grammy together. We performed together in New York City. Yeah. I wonder if he still thinks of Pooh's last name as De Bon Marche. And it's also great that Barb points out how the

barbershop makes no sense and nobody would like that to be popular. But Homer quiets that down about talking like a grizzled 1890s prospector and brings up Achy Breaky Heart, which little did Homer know saying that the daughter of Achy Breaky Heart would be one of the most popular musicians in the world. You know, the episodes Cape Fear and Homer's Barbershop Quartet are back to back. In both episodes, we have Bart talking like a Cockney bootblack and talking like a grizzled prospector. And Krusty Gets Canceled is not far away. In that episode, Barney is the sole fan for Chili Willie, who he thinks will be performing. And here he is the sole fan of the B-Sharps, who I think when he's recruited, he forgets he wanted to sleep with all of them at the beginning of the episode. That's true.

He did throw a hotel key up on the stage. And roses. He goes from fan to lead singer in the crew. Though also it's funny that it does shift of they didn't make a rule of this Beatle represents this member of the B-Sharps. Homer goes from being Paul to John to George to Ringo in both outfit and acting throughout the whole episode. Yeah, and sometimes Barney is John. Yeah. Barney's John by the end of the episode, but he starts out as Ringo.

Yeah, although the way that that happens is not exactly how it happened with the Beatles in terms of someone getting kicked so we see a vision of all of the character of all of Springfield Lovingham from people in prison to people in the church what a fiend we have in God is a cute little sign gag but below it it says the B-sharps which it shouldn't say because they haven't picked that name yet that's a continuity error there i love the animation of chief wig of getting knocked out by snake that's very funny oh and also the way abe says the hindu guy like that's so ashamed but then after all of their small time performances they get approached by a star finder homer i'm a theatrical agent and I want to represent your group.

Really? Yeah. You've got it. All except that police officer. Ugh, two village people. You'll have to replace him. Just leave it to me. Where are we going? Where are we going? Run along, boy. You're free now. No! No! No! No!

Principal Seymour Skinner. A poo? No, that's a pima petalon. Eh, never fit on a marquee, love. From now on, your name is Apu de Beaumarchais. It is a great dishonor to my ancestors and my God, but okay. Right, Katie. There's a lot of Beatles history here. I guess I'd start with Nigel himself seems like a reference to, is it Epstein or Epstein?

Because I definitely heard in clips like John Lennon calls him Mr. Epstein. They would sometimes just call him Epi among themselves. Yeah. So this guy ends up being kind of an amalgam of Brian Epstein and George Martin. So the, okay, the differences here are the way that the discovery, quote unquote, goes is slightly different in details that aren't even that worth getting into. But one thing that was real, so it was not Brian Epstein's idea to ditch Pete Best and replace him with Ringo okay so by the time they had a recording contract and are working with George Martin at the time they were like the drummer's not good enough we need a studio drummer to do it which was not super uncommon but

that was you know one of several incidents that made them kind of realize we need a different guy because like I think at some point he was sick and Ringo filled in. They just knew Ringo from being in other bands around Liverpool, or they had kind of played together in Germany too. And Pete Best was just like, not super social. He was kind of a fan favorite among girls because he was cute and mysterious. And he'd just sit behind the drum kit wearing sunglasses and like not smile. But he was apparently fairly limited or just, you know, not very versatile as a drummer. And so because then they had performed with Ringo some, they just knew he was more talented and they also just liked hanging out with him better. So then the Beatles

told Brian Epstein, you have to fire Pete Best. So he did kind of have to, it's almost reversed, where in this one, it's the manager's idea. And then Homer does the actual getting rid of Wig, although in an obviously very silly way. And in the actual Beatles history, it was the band telling the manager, you got to get rid of him. But then there's also a bunch of contract stuff because he was contracted with them as a group but also them individually so it was like you would have to legally dissolve the band and then re-sign with the new group and so he ended up putting Pete Best in another band just because he was still kind of responsible for managing him yeah so anyway some differences there so epstein was the messenger not the cause of it but in real life did leonard mccartney drive pete best out

into the middle of the woods and leave him there or ditch him like a dog um yeah no i believe that they had brian go do it and they probably just avoided him for forever because they were non-confrontational I also think that Harry Shearer is playing Nigel with a certain level of effeminacy as a reference to Brian Epstein being a gay man as well I think that's also in there well then the change of the name too he didn't make Richard Starkey become Ringo Starr, right? Like that wasn't his call. No, I think he was going by Ringo before he was in the Beatles. I don't remember precisely why he chose to do that. But I think that predated being in the band. So one thing that was true is John was married to Cynthia Lennon, his first wife.

And that was like, okay, for publicity, let's not. You got to pretend you're single so that the fans who are girls can be equally obsessed with all of you. So in that sense, at the beginning, Homer is like John because they want him to hide his marriage. But Brian Epstein is more kind of like his legacy for getting the Beatles going is more of that he just helped them get organized in terms of I mean actual logistics of booking and payment and everything but also that he was the one that got them to like wear suits and stop smoking and cursing on stage and like clean it up a little bit you know where it was just the image he wasn't trying to change their music but yeah so he got the kind of image stuff that allowed them to be on the bbc and stuff watching get back they really put in perspective well how lost they are after epstein

passed away so much context is added in that film that's what being an eight-hour movie gets you is time for for necessary context of like every scene of like well this article had come out and that's why they're talking about this or whatever and and definitely they're talking about how they are looking for a new manager and the strife of that is simmering underneath all of the arguments happening in in get back yeah i think some of it it also almost feels like, I mean, it is just very definitely the dynamic shift of that it was almost like, here are our four brothers and he's our dad, even though he was like eight or ten years older than them. Get ready for Las Vegas-style action at BetMGM, the king of online casinos. Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas strip excitement MGM is famous for

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Did I mention that we care? You know, it's almost like if you have multiple pets and then one of them dies and then they have to like re-figure out the hierarchy you know I think there was just squabbling because previously it was so easy where it's like well he's in charge and then almost like there was a power vacuum and so there wasn't anybody else that could step in that they would trust the same way and then there was yeah the infighting kind of started I mean there were other things of you know George feeling like his creative contributions weren't being taken seriously. But a lot of it ended up just being like, yeah, power squabble stuff.

So they try out new people for the band in a fun little montage. We see Abe doing a Rat Pack style song. We see Willie, Groundskeeper Willie, singing Dune Tune downtown. Jaspers, I love theme from a summer place i had to ask my mom what a summer place is i i it did not make sense to me yeah we don't ever point out syndication cuts on this podcast because no one watches those versions anymore and you know we've all moved on but this always feels like a new scene to me because it was cut out in syndication it's very long there's just one joke.

And by the way, there is a version of Theme from a Summer Place with lyrics by Andy Williams. But the most popular version of this song is the instrumental version, also used to great effect in the Freakazoid episode Relaxovision. Ah, so wonderful. That cutaway. Yeah. I did want to go back to one joke I looked up for the very first time, because when Nigel gives them his card, it management by nigel stars discovered fortunes made hats blocked

the joke is he runs a hat reshaping business on the side just in case the showbiz thing doesn't really work out he has other skills i never knew what hats block meant and i just you know well let's move on there are more jokes to come but i finally looked it up it's a term no one uses anymore yeah i guess haberdashery specifics are lost on us as a culture epstein also like was not a professional manager before the beatles right no not really so he had attended some of um like drama school at what's it called royal Academy of Dramatic Arts I think RADA and then his family owned a big record store that he started being in charge of in Liverpool so I think they took him more seriously because he had like lived in London and gone to this theater school and had some insight into entertainment business via that but then he owned this record store that they

were frequenting all the time and he just had a good like business sense and then was obviously interested in entertainment in various forms and music and then liked their deal and picked him up then they end with Wiggum fooling them perfectly with his imitation of Rex Harrison's Dr. Doolittle. I love that only when the mustache falls off do they go like, Dr. Doolittle is really Police Chief Wiggum. And then he becomes the penguin for about five seconds. Yes, you're right. It turns into Burgess Meredith. You're right.

I forget where I read that, but the mid-60s were the three Bs. Beatles, Batman, and Bond. Those were the three things of the 60s that's the 20th century version of Beethoven Bach and Brahms the three B's yeah yeah exactly great so as they're trying to find somebody then they hear a wonderful melody and this is another non-Beatles very deep reference here yes even older i can get into it so they hear barney singing to or lure lure it basically completes the barney's voice reference because when dan castellaneta came up with the voice of barney he based it on the character of crazy guggenheim which was a comedic character played by frank fontaine mostly on the jackie

gleason show and in a series of sketches called Joe the Bartender, there would be a funny back and forth between a world-weary bartender and this zany drunk. And then Jackie Gleason would ask someone to drop a dime in the jukebox. And then a song would start up. And suddenly, Crazy Guggenheim had this beautiful baritone singing voice.

So they're merely completing the reference that started with coming up with the voice of Barney. Wow. They went deep. In that one clip clip i was feeling bad for you bob sharing that clip to me because i believe crazy guggenheim tells a story that involves killing a parrot which is very sad oh well you know he's no angel and yeah i do love in this that barney's like scrounging around on the floor of the bathroom. And once he finds that toothpick, he's putting it back in his mouth. He's not getting a new one.

I mean, they don't just give those out. And then... Over in Kalani So many years ago Such a voice. Who is that? Me mother sang this song to me in tones so soft and... Barney! Just a little Irish ditty.

Barney, how'd you like to sing for our group? Sure, why not? Now where's me toothpick? Tor-a-lor-a-lor-a Tor-a-lor-a-lor We're gone forever Barney never We're gone forever Barney never

We're gone forever Sweet Adeline Sweet Adeline My Adeline My Adeline Barney forever, Wiggum never Barney forever, Wiggum never Hey, those girls you paid to scream are doing a great job.

No, I didn't pay any girls to scream. Huh? So yes, they are about to debut him at the next concert at the Moe's Cavern. And this is a big deal too i think that is not spoken of but i wanted to check this with you katie that not just that the you know wigum forever barney never which apparently they did chant pete forever ringo never like that was a chant but also that this isn't remarked upon but this is when the b sharps or they're still unnamed yet but when them as a group come out in their

coordinated barbershop quartet outfit, which does seem like a reference to Epstein dressing them up in their mod clothes and mop top, the suits that redefine the Beatles. Yeah, or I think, yeah, having that uniform look, you know, makes it more professional seeming it's like a double reference here in in not just Barney replacing the Pete Best of the group but also their new outfits and new you know more professional outlook for for the B-sharp yeah I did love um also that when they switch to Barney forever Wiggum never that people also have now handwritten signs to that effect where it's like you came prepared to change your mind i guess there were a lot of fence sitters in the audience they're able to rework their effigies too i think his song is so good it makes an irish stereotype

cry and he's singing sweet adeline i do love yeah that one to just that guy in the audience the one song they sing without baby in the title, I think. It's true. So after all this, Wiggum's out. They just need to decide on a name. Only one question remains, gentlemen. What do we call ourselves? How about Handsome Homer Simpson plus three?

I like it. Which I do not. How about Handsome Homer Simpson plus three? I like it! Uh... We need a name that's witty at first, but that seems less funny each time you hear it. How about the B-sharps? Ha-ha-ha-ha! Ha-ha-ha-ha! Ha-ha-ha-ha! Perfect.

The B-sharps. The B-sharps. The B-sharps. The B-Sharps. The B-Sharps. The B-Sharps. Ha ha ha. Why, you can't blame a guy for trying. Ah, you're all under arrest. I think I didn't realize the Beatles was a pun until much, much later after this episode aired.

And even now I need to be reminded that it's actually a really cutesy pun that doesn't fit the direction they went. So after they stopped being the Quarrymen, I forget if they actually went by this or if it was just tossed around of being John Lennon and the Silver Beatles. And I think the Beatles originally started as almost a play on the crickets for Buddy Holly and the crickets but yeah so that you know the original pitch of it being Homer and that also puts him in that kind of John role thank you I needed that clarification there because that seems so specific to be like oh did they want to build the band around one guy instead of just to be and it's one of my favorite just deliveries of like, I like it. Like Barney's reaction to being shoved to the back by Homer or he's in love with Homer and he's like, oh, yeah, Homer should be the only name people know. And a great drawing of them being all bored and resentful as soon as they stop laughing over the title of the band.

I love Wiggum in that moment of the ah you're all under arrest the shot up at them is very good too the camera is like on the ground looking at all their hands in the circle it's great i also love moe's anytime moe slaps his face and with a wow about this time when he thinks the women screaming are fake oh yeah all these girls you paid to scream i forget if that's from an actual Beatles thing. Maybe it is. Well, I do know with the B sharps that people say that it's an extra joke

because in music, B sharp is not a note because yeah, it's C flat, I believe it is. Or C natural. Oh, thank you, thank you. But I have heard other people say that B sharp is a real note, that it's an interharmonic and is a real thing. You can have a B sharp, not just a C natural though. So B sharp and C are the same note. It kind of just depends on what key you're

in. So if you're in a key that has a bunch of sharps, like music can absolutely be written as B sharp or it doesn't even have to be in the key sometimes it's written like that as an accidental but if you're playing it on a piano it is the same key as c natural because b and c are a half step apart so b sharp is a real note okay so both is and isn't real well thank you kate because this recently came up in the news as part of the kendrick and drake feud I don't know if you guys heard about this. Oh, I followed this one. This messed up my search for like, I only learned about this because I was searching like,

B sharp, real note. And then it was all these things about like, apparently in Drake's response to a Kendrick diss track where Kendrick very smartly used the term A minor to mock Drake's allegations. Then in Drake's reply, he references B sharp versus D flat. And then people taking sides in there are like, oh, Drake's so stupid. He doesn't even know B sharp isn't a note. And then other people say, no, B sharp is a note. So the B sharps are part of the Drake-Kendrick feud.

That's so funny. I had missed that part of this discourse. So he says B sharp and a note. So the B sharps are part of the Drake Kendrick feud. That's so funny. I had missed that part of this discourse. So what's he says? B sharp and D flat. It's part of his rhyme. Because those are actually quoted because it has a word I don't want to repeat. Oh, no, that's fine. But just because, yeah, the word is jerk.

B sharp is the same key as a C natural, but a D flat is the same as C sharp. So those are actually different notes. Oh, okay. We want to point out that Katie has a keyboard right behind her. We should trust everything she's saying. Yes, I agree. There's no keyboard behind Henry or me, so we know nothing about music. Yeah, I've got credibility props in the room.

But of course, Talking Simpsons is still not taken aside in this rat beef and i still refuse to really see who gets arrested first no i can't of course i'm against straight i thought that whole situation was so funny of just conceptually why would you start a like rat beef with a pulitzer prize winner from Compton. It's just, what a display of modern hubris. Like, Greek tragedy level stupid move by Drake. I think it's really funny. We come back from the commercial break. We then get to see Lisa with Oyster Lucy.

And then Bart, meanwhile, has another joke that completely flew over my head. When Homer said, for the longest time as a kid, even when in my teens I learned what the word bong is though I never saw one in person until I think I was like in my 20s Homer saying the word bong it wasn't a word to me I was like over saying I haven't seen a bong in years I was like I didn't register that Homer was saying he has smoked pot yeah it almost sounds like it could just be some old reference, the same as like a

pet rock or some sort of just fad, silly thing. The word itself does not explain what the thing is. Yeah, I don't know what I even assumed it was before I had known more about drug culture. Yeah, I assume maybe it was a 70s toy, an old gadget or something. And what's funny is for a long time before in, you know, states before cannabis was legalized at whatever level, where there would be head shops where you could buy paraphernalia, you was at least a urban legend. I think it was kind of real that you couldn't walk in and say, I want a bong. You had to just say water pipe because bong was specifically for smoking weed and water pipe i guess you could claim was for tobacco or something but that's what's funny is that homer says bong whereas if he had said the kind of sanitized version that's actually more descriptive yes at the head shop in

kent ohio where i went to graduate school believe it or not it was called puff and stuff which i imagine every head shop was called until weed was legalized. They sold water pipes. They sold nothing else that had any indication that you should smoke marijuana in it. It was always like, oh, have a nice water pipe or this hand-blown glass tobacco pipe is rather fetching. Yeah, Bob Marley would have loved this tobacco pipe. In Tempe, Arizona, there was a head shop called Rasta Tings, and I was always partial to that name. Man, I wish I could remember the name of the head shop I went to in five points of Jacksonville, Florida growing up, which was the first one I went into. But I do, I don't remember signs that said

we're about bongs, but they did a section for basically, they were called like cleanses to get you ready for a drug test to pass a drug test that was it but they had on a sign next to it that says if you say the word drug test or piss test or cleanse or anything in here you will be thrown out like do not say these words out loud they probably had a narc who literally like lived in the store to wait to arrest somebody yeah it's funny that all of these store names had to be just gentle winks at you like puff anduff and Stuff and Rasta Tings. I imagine there are many called Good Vibrations. And now in Vancouver, where I live, there's a weed store. Every other storefront is a weed store, and they're all called Weed Store, the store where you buy weed. We have weed. Please come in.

Yeah, the green crosses everywhere. I live in Portland and lived in LA until pretty recently, and it's the same there. We're just big, proud dispensaries. New people, before it was fully legalized in California recreationally, that there was such a huge industry for medical marijuana that there were like billboards, there was a website and it was doc420.com. And so there were doctors who just gave out weed carts. Oh, yeah. When I moved to California in 2011, I saw Dr. Nick Riviera type at Hollywood Upstairs Medical College. Yeah, yeah. Their tire burst while they're driving.

Homer had sold their spare. And it's a hilarious cut to Marge walking the beginning of a 12-mile walk through the desert to get a new tire that Homer leaves it to her to do because he has to continue telling his story to part of Lisa. 12 miles one way too. Oh yes, right. I hope she gets a ride back from the gas station. Otherwise she's walking almost a marathon carrying a tire in the desert with no water so we cut to homer trying to write a song i feel like this is jeff martin referencing what it's like for him to write a song like trying to find a mid-80s specific he first starts with the al capone's vault joke which

again my mom had to entirely explain that to me. I know everybody remembers that if you were alive for it. Well, if you watch the movie UHF, you'll remember Weird Al going, roadmaps! Right? Oh, God. Al Capone's golf compartment, very funny. And, you know, the Jeff Martin time capsule episodes are always laser focused to their specificity. This is all, even though they say it's 85 85 this is all very 1986 because the al capone's vault special happened in april of 86 the baby on board signs were a fad that began in 1986

when wiggum watches the joan rivers show later that began in 1986 i feel like they're very 1986 focused in this episode i mean they make the party later with Reagan. That is very a specific July 4th, 1986 thing. Homer says it starts in 85, but it drifts into 86 by act two for sure. It could have been 85 when they were getting together and doing tiny shows. And then by the time it gets more professional, we're in 86, I guess. Well, Homer says at the end five and a half weeks. But obviously, look, it's a card. But I appreciate how specific they are. In later flashback episodes, they are all over the place

in terms of here's a bunch of things from a decade or from an era. Here, they really want to get into the details because no one else was doing this kind of 80s nostalgia in the early 90s. Jeff Martin, is Jeff spelled with a J or a G? Yes. A J. Okay. Just if he's a big Beatles fan. Because George Martin was the producer. And Jeff Emmerich was the engineer.

And so if you're into the Beatles music. I could see how you'd be excited that your name is Jeff Martin. Although Jeff Emmerich is spelled with a G. So maybe it doesn't work for him. We cut to Homer finally having the inspiration from seeing the baby on board sign, which I love how Marge says, like, people intentionally ram the back of your car unless you let them know there's a baby on board. I guess that was the selling point for the little sign. Of like, drive more carefully because there's a baby here instead of drive more carefully because you could kill someone just generally. Yeah. It's funny to think that this was a fad, but the modern equivalent of this is the little stick figure family on the back of the windshield.

That's the modern one I see much more of. The ones I only notice now if I walk by parked cars, I haven't driven a car in at least 15 years. Since Odd 6, six stagnabbit the only ones i noticed are when they have like a cartoon bumper sticker or a window sticker of like oh that's like i saw an equivalent of that family sticker but it was goku chichi and gohan from dragon ball z to represent that they're like this is a family car there are tons of different variations of those. Like I've seen Star Wars ones. There are some gun ones, which is a choice.

I have seen updated versions of Baby on Board where sometimes it's that, but it's like a picture of the baby wearing sunglasses from The Hangover. Or there are ones that say like, baby up in this bitch, which, okay. So the Baby on Board, that board that yeah that has stuck around i think we were just understanding how suction cups worked because this is also the era of the garfield suction cup thing you would stick on your back windshield and also i have an alf one from way back in the day so i guess they put two and two together and figured out like oh we can stick things up and not obscure our vision. Was that before or after Alf was in Pogform?

Ooh, I think when Alf came back in Pogform, that was a 1994 renaissance for Alf. I also like that Wilhelmer's first line is something, something, Burt Ward. It shows that in the Simpsons writers' minds, they're always thinking of the Adam West Batman series. I also liked that there are stories of, you know, the most famous one in terms of stories with those kind of filler lyrics are Paul McCartney writing yesterday that when he first thought of it,

that what he was singing along with the melody was scrambled eggs. So that is not a direct, but kind of a Beatles reference of, I mean, other people use filler lyrics, but made me think of that. I love in Get Back, you get to see them find lyrics for many songs in it and you hear them like use their alternate lyrics or just them going, no, no, no, no. The entire movie's framed around specifically the song Get Back and McCartney figuring out but you hear it for like so many songs in the movie it is amazing to watch the Beatles write a song live

well not live on film yeah well live in terms of in real time at least because some of them they're bringing in like hey here's what I was working on at home and then they're kind of all pitching on it but yeah I haven't seen the whole thing for a couple years i think it is the song get back that you see them just like from scratch kind of start building and it is really exciting yeah as bob mentioned before the dapper danes get co's songwriting credit on this one because as martin said even though i wrote the music and lyrics they did the barbershop arrangement and figured out the harmonies so it's very nice of him to share that credit with them they probably made a little bit of money a little scratch off of that over time yeah that's it i mean i know it's not in the text of the episode but there is a lot of

stuff in the beatles history that gets into who gets credit for songwriting and kind of all of the breakdown of that and royalties and everything so So just as a side thing. There should be a joke in here about how Baby on Board is a Gumball Simpson written song. It should be credited that way. Yeah, that all of them are technically Gumball Simpson. Yeah, no matter who contributes what. I mean, that's not true. The George gets credited on, but only on George songs where, you know, tons of stuff of George Martin was the producer, but would

write all of the string arrangements, for example. So something like Yesterday or Eleanor Rigby or something like those are, Paul McCartney wrote those songs. They're credited as Lennon McCartney, but George Martin actually wrote all of the instrumentation or arrangement. Speaking of George Martin, this is a George Martin reference here where after they finish the song, Nigel comes in and tells them, you've just recorded your first number one. The story is that George Martin did that after they finished recording Please Please Me. Congratulations, gentlemen, you've just made your first number one. Yeah, I think that's the only part of this that's like a specific George Martin reference. This is kind of what I meant at the

beginning of that. Nigel's kind of a combination of Brian Epstein and George Martin because, yeah, he gets this one in there. The reference to the secret wife, Cynthia, as well as like John Lennon became a father in 63, like right as they're getting big, where they kept a secret for a long time, too. Yeah. I think just in anticipation of fan response that obviously not all but a significant portion of the fan base was screaming girls which then they show yeah when they're getting off the plane here that's a pretty direct beetle mania reference i also love how when homer is told well if i explain it to her that way like he told smash cut to julie kavner as marge doing some really realistic crying yeah it's so realistic it like just wraps smash cut to julie kavner as marge doing some really realistic crying

yeah it's so realistic it like just wraps back around to funny it's so good it'll only be till we finish our tour of sweden i mean dan castellaneta is amazing i like homer i feel like sometimes to me when homer is the funniest is when he is unintentionally saying the absolute worst thing he could. Because sometimes he says something bad and he's just actually being a jerk. But for another episode of Kirk showing him, like, I sleep in a race car bed. What about you? And Homer's like, I sleep in a big bed with my wife.

Just demolishing someone obliviously, I think is so funny. Well, also though, Homer,er unfortunately is much more true to his spouse than john lennon was so marge doesn't need to worry yeah but i can see why it would hurt your feelings to be like i gotta look single there we have a very nice montage to baby on board oh sorry bob i was gonna say that this is a device that showrunner aljean loves and it's probably used 10 times i'm not being critical just it's a device that showrunner Al Jean loves and has probably used 10 times. I'm not being critical. It's just a device that he likes where a song is playing on the radio and we cut throughout town to see how it's affecting people.

I think it's happened at least, like I said, 10 times in the history of the show. A lot in, obviously, the episodes he is showrunning. It was just in that Billie Eilish short. That's right. Yeah, okay. I knew it happened recently. That's how long The Sims has been around. They did The Beatles 30 years after The Beatles debuted,

and then they still do Billie Eilish when she's hot and new and working with Disney and needing an ad. I think by this point she won't be born for, I don't know, 10, 15 years. I forget how old she is. And speaking of references I didn't get as a kid, Paul Harvey, who we've covered before on this, he's telling a touching story about a young Roy Cohn who had recently died then and everybody hated.

The most dislikable people of the 80s. And that's what Abe and Jasper flip to from the song, right? Okay. And then they go, wow, Roy Cohn. They're so impressed it was Roy Cohn. Like, they're so impressed it was Roy Cohn. Baby on board, how I'm adored. That sign on my car's window pane. That's my boy Homer singing.

Paul Harvey's on. And that little boy whom nobody liked grew up to be Roy Cohn. Wow! And now you know the rest of the story. Guys, I've got it in the car

for you. Ah, Squiddy. I got nothing against you. I just heard there was gold in your belly. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! With my baby on board! And also, Sea Captain is about to kill Squiddy. I do feel like this is them doing their usual messing with matt grading because this giant squid is acting very cartoonish and not naturally

like a squid it reacts kind of big to like oh you thought there was gold in my belly then they cut back to home homer tells marge he's not gonna let this change him while he's keeping bard locked in a cage of course course. Hey, it's a laundry hamper with rocks on top of it. He didn't go out and buy a cage. The cruelty could be heightened. Bart is in there with one metal cup to scrape along the side of it.

You know, when you're little, it's fun to hide under those laundry hampers. When you get too big, you realize what you lost. It's a game. You're right. I agree. Henry clearly has no hamper hiding experience what i miss from being little that i can remember is being able to lay across the entire back seat of a car i miss that oh that's a good one we had dogs and we had this outdoor kind of i guess dog house it was called a dog loo because it looked like an igloo shape. Oh, cute.

And there were multiple times that my mom couldn't find me and then eventually would and I'd be outside and having fallen asleep in the dogloo. It's just like Bart getting into the crawlspace. Then amidst all these beetle references, we have a quick Elvis reference. While I'm sure the Beatles bought gifts for their family, buying the Cadillac for Abe, that's what Elvis apparently did to many friends and family members when he struck it rich. Yeah, I think at least his mom was one of them. Yeah, that too, during this, I was like, I don't get what this is referencing. This isn't a Beatles thing. In my brain, buying your parent a Cadillac, I think of Seinfeld, which this would not have been in reference to. But yeah, Elvis. I think they were just into having Abe have a heart attack. They just really love animating and having Dan act that out. Yeah. Just some of the other things in here, like having Apu change his name is, you know, some of these things are more general entertainment

industry jokes and not Beatles specific. So I mean, this one's Elvis specific, the Cadillac. I also do like that DeBeau Marche is like 14 letters long and that the complaint is that Nahasapita Pedermalon won't fit on a marquee. That's true. It's actually very unuseful. I also love how agreeable Apu is to all of these things that he says are very insulting, but okay. he's a nice guy yeah and then so the press conference thing you know after they get off the plane and everybody's screaming and then they do the press conference that was a thing that kind of propelled the Beatles popularity is that they were so charming and funny and like played off each

other really well and asking Skinner you're the funny one, right? I mean, the way that they play it in this is very funny of him just very seriously saying yes. I can't remember the specifics. At some point, maybe George was asked if he was the funny one, because I don't know. They all were funny, but George could be very dryly funny. I believe the classifications were that Ringo was the funny one, John the smart one, Paul the cute one ringo was the funny one john the smart one

paul the cute one and george the quiet one does that sound right to you yes in terms of sometimes how those categorizations almost feel to me like how the spice girls were assigned personalities i mean those were yeah by themselves they did that or you know their marketing team almost where those were based on like more of fan alignment or of like oh i love paul because he's the cute one or george is the quiet one he's mysterious whatever those designations do exist but i don't know that they're necessarily actually true to the people yeah this entire thing is a parody of the beatles arrival in america right before doing ed sullivan right down to how they're this entire thing is a parody of the beatles arrival in america right before doing ed sullivan right down to how they're waving how hair is being parted it's like them standing in front of the pan am sign in the background it's everything is perfect we just

passed the 60th anniversary of this happening it was february 64 right right and it was jfk the same as them arriving in 86 like they even put the date on the screen like you would have seen in a Beatles documentary. It's it's just great. I now see it as another Beatles joke that Barney, when he says they found me on the men's room floor, he is sounding like a typical Beatles funny flippant response to a media question. But he actually fully means it and it hurts his feelings that everybody laughs yeah there were interviews where i think probably that same when they first get to america of asking like so are you guys gonna get your hair cut or like you know a comment about their hair being long and george is like i actually got mine cut yesterday and it gets a big laugh and so after that they then end up on the what

was called liberty weekend of 1986 where ronald reagan was in attendance of a weekend full of concerts celebrating 100 years of the statue of liberty in over july 3rd to july 6 1986 and we know how devoted he was to his job in 1986. Could he even sit upright in 1986? Yeah, you know, the election was over. I got to think he definitely was there. But could he stand up? I wonder. This line here, too.

Wasn't he president until 88 or 88 is when? Yeah. I got scared that I forgot what time was. He was under very strict control then, though. We thought he was an old president until recent events. bar was raised or lowered he still was oh yeah yeah yeah well also he called as the joke is in this episode he called nancy reagan mommy that is what he called it which at first my thought was oh because he was getting so senile then, but no, I think it really was just like, guys that old are like mother. That's what some weirdos would call their wives then.

Doesn't Mike Pence call his wife mother? That's true. That's true. He is the new Reagan in that way. This has several very funny jokes at the Statue of Liberty. Damned ceremonies. This is time I could be working, mommy. We'd like to dedicate this next number to a very special woman.

She's 100 years old, and she weighs over 200 tons. This enormous woman will devour us all! Ah! I meant the statue. Okay, Gilligan, the skipper, and Chief Wiggum. Name three castaways lancy use the remote oh yeah and then joe rivers makes her comment too which like you said bob it is the background they draw it to be her brief Fox show. Yeah, yeah, her brief late night talk show.

She got a daytime talk show after this, the one I was more familiar with. But this was the late show starring Joan Rivers, which aired between 86 and 88. And it eventually became the Arsenio Hall show because when Fox fired Joan Rivers, they tried out a lot of guests and he was the most popular one. So this would eventually transition into the syndicated Arsenio Hall show. Oh, interesting. They were trying out hosts like The Daily Show, what they were doing for a while. Yeah.

One of them was Pee Wee Herman. Oh, wow. That would have been something. I love too that they cannot resist. Gene and Reese, they so loved writing Karnak jokes for Carson, which we talked about a lot on the previous podcast. But they so loved it that even in this flashback, they're like, let's write another Karnak joke. Except their legal department told them, draw him with a fez so it is technically parody. Don't draw the exact Karnak character.

They were worried that it wouldn't count as parody if they draw him with the big turban on his head that's so funny like it's so obviously johnny carson and the exact shtick of you know what i mean like i don't it's it's not even a parody of that character it's just the joke yeah yeah i believe in the script it says elderly talk show host. They had to be that vague just in case anyone looked into it. Yeah, I love it. Wiggum is firing his gun in the house. And it doesn't upset his wife that much, I think, because she's pretty used to it by now, probably. Well, first of all, that he's firing at the TV and just only missing it.

So he's like 10 feet away and can't hit it. But then also when she says clancy used the remote he reaches over and the remote is in his holster and he's like oh yeah like he grabbed the wrong thing and was doing that and just didn't even notice that he had the wrong object is this the first spoken appearance or the first vocal appearance of sarah wiggum i think so yes now played by megan mulally oh really they've done a bit of a reset on Sarah Wiggum. Yeah. Admittedly, she did not have much depth to her character prior to the reset as Megan Mullally's character.

So, I understand. Also, consider that since Lisa's a baby in this episode, Ralph Wiggum is in this house where Wiggum is shooting the walls out. So, I think that explains some of Ralph's problems. Hopefully not on the other side of that wall. So then we cut back to Homer telling the story as Marge is changing the tire. And we see that they're doing great, but they only feel at their best when they win a Grammy. Congratulations.

David Crosby, you're my hero. Oh, you like my music? You're a musician? Then came the greatest thrill of my life. Hello, Homer. I'm George Harrison. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Where did you get that brownie? Over there. There's a big pile of them. Oh, man. Wow, what a nice fella. Lisa, did you see the Grammys? You beat Dexy's Midnight Runners. Well, you haven't heard the last of them. I miss you, Daddy. I miss you daddy i miss you too honey it's so cute how yarley smith says i miss you daddy that's adorable i wonder if

jeff martin is pulling from being a new father then who is spending all his time at the simpsons and missing his daughter who would go on to be a simpsons writer oh classic i love that dexys midnight runner joke also yeah a two-year- Jenna Martin. I love that Dexys Midnight Runner joke. Also, yeah, a two-year-old being like, wow, you beat Dexys Midnight Runners. You would not have the context to understand that. This is off topic, but there is years ago in McSweeney's, there was a list that someone wrote of follow-up songs

to One Hit Wonder. So this is all jokes, but one of them was called Seriously Eileen, Come On. I still think of that every time I think of that song. Yeah, this is the 29th annual Grammy Awards. I think they meant for this to be the 28th because the 29th aired in 87. I think they still want to be in 86. But the album of the year that year was Graceland by Paul Simon. And for the 86 Grammys, album of the year was No Jacket Required by Phil Collins. That feels more of the tune they're going for. Well, I love that they have David Crosby back.

I'm sure we're just recording him twice for two episodes in the same session because he's in Margin Chains. And they do the same joke about his issues with alcohol. This time that Barney's very impressed with him. But then backstage, pause, you can see at the party spinal tap is there a miscolored aerosmith is there so their colors are all wrong i almost feel it could be a mistake but i can also see it as intentional like wait wait you can't have actually draw aerosmith into this they might get mad and also you can spot leon kompowski the man who thinks he's michael jackson but of course yeah the big thing here is george harrison here he is yeah the beloved beetle

they got a real beetle for it and based on the commentary he seemed absolutely miserable in his secret recording he did with aljean and mike reese there was a story where i guess he's in a separate booth and they go into the booth to talk to him he's like oh you just want to be in the same room with me don't you he just would seem very irritated but he puts in a good performance I understand it must be hard to be a beetle but there was a similar story with Ringo I guess he was a little more fun but an edict went out do not ask anything of Ringo do not ask him for autographs and the writer of the episode did not hear this and he immediately presented Ringo with things to sign and he was a good sport about it but they were all like tugging their collars thinking they annoyed a beetle yeah I mean that's fair or you know especially if you're doing

something professionally I know that voice work isn't George's main gig or anything but you know he's being paid to be there it's like he's there because he's a beetle don't make it extra but that's interesting i mean he could definitely be grumpy but they all were big comedy fans like they love the goon show and peter sellers and stuff but then george he financed the life of brian and was like good friends with eric idol and as a comedy fan i was always like oh of course he said yes to being on The Simpsons. And I did not know that he was apparently very grumpy the whole time he was there. Get ready for Las Vegas-style action at BetMGM, the king of online casinos. Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas strip excitement MGM is famous for

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It's hilarious on the commentary too that like Gene and Reese were told like, do this privately, don't tell anybody. But Matt Groening comes along to it too.

They're roasting Matt Groening on the commentary saying, oh, and right after the commentary or right after we and right after the commentary, or right after we recorded him, what do you say, Matt? Guess who I just met, George Harrison. Though Groening tells a very Matt Groening story,

which is Bob, you know this too, that he is a very niche music fan. Like he loves music, but very niche music. Like I just watched a new interview with him where Matt Groening was saying he is a huge Frank Zappa fan, while meanwhile he has never listened to a full like bruce springsteen album he stays away from popular things and when he tells the story of meeting george harrison he says that george harrison liked when graining was

complimenting uh wonderwall music that album not just a beatles thing yeah that is a not well known that yeah he did the score for a movie and it was while he was still in the Beatles but that was like kind of George's first solo thing so yeah that is a deep cut to pull I can see why he would appreciate that they used to be my go-to when I met famous artists creators what have you that I would think oh they'll really appreciate when I mentioned this obscure thing that has backfired so much that I generally just go for the broadest possible compliment of the thing I either just saw them do or they had done recently just for the most pleasant, superficial conversation that I can get in and get out of.

In what way does it go badly? Are you joking? Sometimes it's like, oh, I don't remember that. And then the conversation is me trying to get them to remember the thing I'm really excited for them to know that I know but apparently they've forgotten it or I get the sense that they think oh you think you're going to impress me because you saw this thing I did in 1982 and you're a little nerd I'm not going to give you what you want from me I can think of one of those times that happened to me with i got to interview alan tudyk and nathan fillion together at a comic con and i like both of their works but alan tudyk i've been following for such a long time and when the interview was over i just wanted to tell him i

was honored to interview him because i've been a fan of his since he was on strangers with candy which is an obscure comedy he did have just kind of actually like, wow, that's an old one. Like that's what he didn't. I don't want to make him sound like he was like, who cares? But you go like, wow, that's old. Like he didn't seem particularly complimented by it. I will say, though, that I did recently meet all of the Mystery Science Theater guys or the Riff Trax guys, rather. And the words Mystery Science Theater 3000 did not come out of my mouth. And'm very proud of myself that i wasn't like i've been watching you since i

was 13 and i watched man with the hands of fate a thousand times and it was all just i really enjoyed the thing you just did the thing i saw fantastic amazing how are you doing yeah especially for what riff tracks is they gotta know you know about Mystery Science Theater. They know what I'm holding back. Yeah. And they admire the restraint. Katie, have you ever been in a room with a Beatle or near a Beatle? Oh my god, no. I would yeah, like I lived in LA for a long time

and I have certainly met famous people or known people who then became famous or seen famous people around and I'm usually very comfortable with like, yeah, they're just guys. I don't know. I think if I actually met Paul McCartney, I would start crying. Maybe my plan for if that ever happens is I'm just going to ask him to show me pictures of his dogs because like, I don't have anything interesting to say about his career to him. And like, I'm not going to ask him about John Lennon or anything but I know he's an

animal guy and everybody loves talking about their pets that's my move if I meet Paul that's a good plan that's a good strategy yeah you're right when you meet somebody famous that's met lots of fans before you can tell them nothing new yeah so it's best to just express your appreciation and maybe share a moment with them and then move on I also am just so sure that my opinion does not matter to almost anybody. So I would rather not start an interaction as a fan. But like if I've talked to someone for a little while or somebody knows me, once I think that they might value my thoughts, then I might be like, oh, i really loved your work in whatever but starting that way i mean i don't know because then you just say hey i liked it and they go oh okay thanks

and then you say okay bye it's like i don't get that interaction as much yeah there is a story on the commentary of hank azaria talking about how his brother-in-law saw george harrison in public and george harrison had a very sarcastic reply to him because his brother-in-law was like oh can it be and george harrison was like yes it's me i mean george harrison in particular had a bad incident with a fan so i can understand why well actually i would say john had the worst incident yeah you know what yes that's true both true yeah well speaking of george harrison i also give mark kirkland and his team credit because they could have just drawn George Harrison like how he looked in 93 which I bet isn't that different from this but I do feel like they drew him how he looked in like 1986 like if you pull up the video forgot my mind set on you from 86 that's how George Harrison

looks including the kind of like longer hair in the back, they should have had him wearing shiny sunglasses like he is on that album cover. I do love that he's just standing around eating a brownie. I don't know why that specific is great. I mean, it works for Homer being more interested in the brownie than George Harrison. And then what episode, I can't remember what episode it's in, but I love the joke that someone convinced paul mccartney to leave wings and homer's like you idiot he was the best one oh that's when bart becomes mr burns's heir oh okay yes and funnily enough i think after the first two times with ringo and george that's why they left behind mac grating when it was time to

go to england to record with paul mccartney like Grading did not get to meet Paul McCartney I'm kind of surprised Paul has only been on it that once very strict rules about they were able to get to him because have him and Linda on have it be you know promotion of a vegetarian lifestyle and agree that Lisa would forever be a vegetarian and they would never undo it that was their Paul McCartney promise. I mean, that's a cool way of if you're using your celebrity for a cause, I guess. I mean, I don't know. Maybe that's not the most meaningful thing.

I respect, you know, adherence to a principle. The show really thinks Grammys are worthless. This is not their first joke about it, but here even a homeless man does not want a Grammy and throws it back at Homer. Hey, we don't see his condition. He could be housed. That's true. I shouldn't make assumptions. about it but here even a homeless man does not want a grammy and throws it back at homer hey we don't see his condition he could be housed that's true i shouldn't make assumptions dexys midnight runners though even though they broke up in 87 they got back together in 2003 and some iteration

of them they're currently touring whoa how do you like that wow i didn't i know this so they got back together in 03 and it stuck yes that's impressive and henry i wouldn't expect you to know this if you knew that i would question certain things about you the certain dexys midnight runners fandom you've been keeping from me i feel like i must have watched like a vh1 the band gets back together thing for something just because i watched all of those behind the music i don't would they have even had one that would have been deep in the behind the music stories that would have to be like the 14th season of it or something probably so after the commercial break homer has gone upstairs and he's pulling out all of the b

sharps merchandise which you know obviously the beatles were on a million pieces of merchandise they were in even just in the 60s were incredibly merchandise bob showed us some earlier today but also this does feel a little bit like they're joking about all the Bart mania stuff yeah that was made as well I do love Homer's callousness of if you ask

me if you're dumb enough to eat it you deserve to die not that selling poisonous funny foam is wrong or horrible but like no you deserve to die and then assumingly Bart dies after this episode from eating the funny

foam i also am not sure i understand what funny foam is supposed to be because it's not like is it like silly string yeah yeah they're non-infringing version of silly string funny foam but it's like goopier yeah it looks like shaving cream i would think there were some jokes internally about like oh these these Simpson things are selling kids. Some of these have to be made out of toxic materials. Yeah, like cadmium painted toys or whatever. They then ask him how it could have gone astray. Wow, look at all this B-Sharp's merchandise.

Lunchboxes, coffee mugs, bunny foam. They took the foam off the market because they found out it was poisonous. But if you ask me, if you're dumb enough to eat it, you deserve to die. Bark! What? I can't believe you're not still popular. What'd you do? Screw up like the Beatles and say you were bigger than Jesus? All the time. It was the title of our second album. But we were about to learn an iron law of show business.

What goes up must come down. What about Bob Hope? He's been consistently popular for over 50 years. So is Sinatra. Well, anyway, we were all getting tired of... Dean Martin still packs him in. Ditto Tom Jones. Shut up! With your father on the road all the time, I tried to compensate for his absence.

What's sad is everybody but Tom Jones on that list is dead now, right? Yeah, Bob Hope just recently. Yeah? I mean, I love that Homer goes, shut up! Like being proven wrong. And there's another way anyway. I've said it before that Homer now they could do an episode of this of like the B-Sharps do a reunion for like a Super Bowl commercial. Like one hit wonders like them for the 80s get used in Super Bowl commercials or just any commercial all the time.

Yeah. Or not even one hit wonders. But there are it's like a laundry detergent commercial that the Backstreet Boys are in currently. Yeah, yeah. And just for One Hit Wonders, if you had a One Hit Wonder in the 80s, you're rich forever. I feel like because Nigel disappears from this episode that there's like a missing piece where they explain that Nigel took all of the money and had all of the song rights to it and that's why homer has ended up with nothing it doesn't he just explain it he just says it's a story for another time but in this case the bigger than jesus thing that had to be explained to me as a kid i did not realize for parents who lived through it or adults who lived through it it's an incredibly memorable dark time of america rejecting the beatles and burning their albums because a flippant joke went too far yeah and i mean it obviously did not sink their career or anything

but it was a controversy but then yeah when homer says that was actually the name of our second album and he holds it up and it's definitely a parody of the cover of the album abbey road but it's all four of them instead of crossing the street or being in a crosswalk of walking on water, which is very funny. It's hilarious. Yes. And in a great extra joke, Barney is barefoot. That's so great. Like he's barefoot in the shot. So he's John again.

Wait, no, that's Paul. Yeah, that's Paul, right? So he's all over the place. Okay. For this joke, he's Paul. And I guess it means Barney died at some point and's Paul. Yeah, that's Paul, right? So he's all over the place. Okay. For this joke, he's Paul. And I guess it means Barney died at some point and was replaced. Yeah. Well, because very soon after this in the episode, Barney is dating the Yoko character.

So now he's John again. So yeah, not consistent mapping of which character is which beetle or anything like that, which is probably for the best. Though now in this list of people Lisa and Bart throw out there,ul mccartney and ringo star would be on that list like into their 80s paul mccartney just did a tour of like sold out stadiums for like 800 receipt tickets like they are so i don't know if you've been to any of these katie not most recent no i have seen paul mccartney in concert but in like 2014 and it was great even then his voice was holding up better than than it is now on account of him being 10

years younger yeah it was like a two or two and a half hour show and he played a bazillion songs and had so much energy and it was so good and I bet at this point people are paying that much because he puts on a good show. But I'm sure a lot of people at this point is like he's old enough that people are like, I got to make sure I see him while I still can. He's basically holding himself hostage for higher ticket prices. I've also seen Ringo in the All-Star Band, which is very fun and funny to see. And when this goes live, his next tour date is October 1st in Uruguay. So all of our Uruguay listeners, just a heads up for all of you out there. Now, Bob, you know that it's pronounced U-R-G-A, as Homer told us. Sorry, I grew up with Uruguay. That's how I say it. Yes, they cut to the going down part.

But first, we do see the reveal of how Marge tried to help the kids. And the fake Homer is great. And Bob, you dug up an amazing thing during your research of this I had forgotten all about. Yeah, back in 2017, when we were a fairly new podcast,

I think in our third year, a fan that kind of dropped off the face of the earth made us some fan art called The Shamsons. And I put this on my Twitter. And it's basically face of the earth made us some fan art called the shamsons and i put this on my twitter and it's basically all of the fake simpsons from across the history of the show there is the marge made out of a bush from secrets of successful marriage there is this homer from this episode there is the puppet lisa from lisa an A. There is busted drainpipe Maggie from Homer Alone. And there is crappy snowman Bart from Marge Be Not Proud.

So just a collection of all of the fake Simpsons from across history. Great little image. If you're that fan, please reach out to us. Does Bart's evil twin from Treehouse of Horror count? You know what? That could have been added. But I do like the goopy Snowman as his replacement. I guess that is also like,

at least in the context of that episode, a real person. And the rest of these are more of like some sort of golem. Yeah, I guess they have to be inanimate golems for the Shampsons to work. So we cut to them trying to write new music. Homer's new attempts at doing topical novelty songs not so good about

c ever coop the then surgeon general and mr t and this is where we're getting into the let it be get back stuff which again for when they wrote this in 92 it aired in 93 they wrote in 92 but when they wrote it they didn't have get back they had let it be which is like a 90 minute version that was released in 1970 and in it i don't want to uh judge it too much as like less good of a documentary because they released it before the beatles broke up they're having to cut around all of like the stuff the beatles don't want to share like they had footage of george quitting the, but they don't want to use it because it's a fresh wound at the time.

Yeah. And some of this in the episode, I think that they are using some like imagery from the original Let It Be documentary. But what they're showing when the Yoko character first shows up and when they do the number eight burp number eight. So that is Revolution revolution nine which is basically a sound collage but that's on the white album so that's actually the album before they were recording let it be so yeah if you watch get back all of that context is after fighting a ton

recording white album like i think ringo left at some point so paul plays drums on a few songs and john i think had been in a car accident, but then would still come to the studio. But during White Album is, I think, when Yoko started being there all the time and everybody was like, why is she here? Which, to be clear, I think that's John's fault as much as anybody's, just to properly attribute blame. Yeah. By the time I heard Revolution 9 on that beatles one collection i had heard this parody i don't know a hundred times so when it started playing i was laughing out loud i didn't know how accurate it was i didn't know it was a reference to a real thing that was so similar

and by the way our listeners will murder us if we don't point out that santa's little helper should not exist to bury the homer oatmeal. There, I've said my piece. Thank you, Bob. Thank you. He joins the family in the Christmas that is now in the first season. He was not there when Bart and Lisa were babies. Maybe they had a different identical dog. Creating conspiracy theories now.

My new spec script. Was Revolution 9 on one? I remember hearing it on something around that revolution would have been so there are like three different versions of that song kind of so revolution is the one that would have been a hit then on white album disc two there's i think it's called revolution one which is like a kind of more acoustic version and then revolution nine is the john and yoko sound collage thing which i mean just because it's really experimental and like i don't hate it but it's not like the most fun to listen to but

it just would absolutely not have been a number one that's why i'm asking well and if you were jeff martin or the other simpsons writers age like you experienced the white album when it was new and most people then probably had the reaction of rolling your eyes or just like oh this sucks like just that feeling that you see the characters have at hearing number eight yeah meanwhile the group was having problems of its own for all the latest medical poop call call Surgeon General C. Everett Coop. Coop, Coop, I do. This is worse than your song about Mr. T. I pity the fool who doesn't like... he.

And where's Barney? Oh, he's with his new girlfriend, the Japanese conceptual artist. Barbershop is in danger of growing stale. I'm taking it to strange new places. Number eight. Number eight. Number eight. Number eight.

Number eight. I did think that the way that they played it is like, it's a fun take on, you know what I mean? As such a clear, specific reference, but just enough of a change to make it a dumb Barney essay on the entire Yoko Ono thing, which has been discussed for 50, 60 years now, almost. Yeah, almost. Yeah. I mean, I respect Yoko a lot as a conceptual artist. And again, like I think anything about anything between her and the Beatles is more just like she and John had a weird dynamic. And I think anything about it affecting the Beatles was as much his fault as anybody else's is my take. And I can see, especially after having just watched Let It Be, this was the thing with so much of that going on then. But if you're a person who doesn't like

what John Lennon is making with Yoko Ono and then you see Let It Be in 1970 and you're like god she's sitting next to him through all these songs like let the like she looks like she's being a clingy person who's ruining the band by her just constant presence like if if that's what you want to see even though it's like Lennon wanted her there and it's what he felt would help him right at the time and it's also an important context. Well, and also like Linda McCartney's there all the time too. Not quite as constantly, but she's like, they all had people coming around. And then in Let It Be, once they switch studios, they're like way happier and they're stopped

being quite as many people around. Like Billy Preston shows up, but then it's's there are a lot fewer just like visiting family members oh also john lennon was doing a lot of heroin at that time and so that probably was affecting his mood a little bit i do want to point out that my wife and i don't get compared to john and yoko that much but it's happened enough that i consider it a problem because i am a lanky guy with shaggy hair. I often wear sunglasses. My wife is Japanese Canadian, much shorter than me. And I think when we started posting pictures of ourselves online, when we got into a relationship, people would make the reference, but we will often hear it from random passersby. And I think just a month ago, we were walking down our street and

there was a drunk guy on a bench and we hear, hey, John and Y Yoko so I also do a lot of heroin and a fan is going to shoot me with a gun that's in my future okay before you said that last part I was gonna say those people are really weird but now it sounds like you're cultivating this specifically yeah so actually congratulations then I carry a copy of catcher in the ride just in case anyone wants signature so you can hand it to them to have in their pocket when they shoot you. The John and Yoko thing is crazy. This episode certainly takes its stance, but then it's so crazy after Get Back has this one clip in it that's just amazing. At the time, in 1969, Paul McCartney says, everybody's going to blame it on Yoko because

she sat on an amp. He's already predicting that everybody's going to blame Yoko for a thing he does not blame her for. Yeah. I would see it in this episode as like less of taking a stance and more of just that it was such an easy reference, you know, of just kind of what the general cultural opinion was or what would be recognizable to a lot of people um because in this one too it's like she just starts being around and then Barney's

acting different you know so I also feel like it's not blaming her as much of just that presence being part of the story is just an easy reference I think and the photograph they're referencing of them while they're referencing of them while they're listening to Barney's song is straight from, I believe it's from the Let It Be album, but it's definitely from the recording. But what's amazing is if you watch Get Back,

you can see that photograph live. It is the filmed version of it. And the photograph makes you think, people projected onto it, including in this episode, everybody's so depressed and miserable. They're all unhappy to be there, the poor Beatles. But when you watch it in the filmed form, they're all just listening to the music that's being played.

And they're like, yeah, that's good. They are not unhappy in the actual movie version. No, they're just focusing. I think about it all the time, or not all the time, because I don't intentionally pay attention to this. But when you see, you know, paparazzi things or a photo when people are trying to read into, I don't know, how anybody's feeling and where it's like, that's not how candid pictures really work, though. Like, you know, it could have just caught someone at an awkward in between faces. And it's so funny how people want to take that as any sort of gospel about how someone was clearly feeling or what their

thoughts on a situation were so after everybody listens to number eight this is where the first of two big deleted scenes that are on the dvds are and i have the clips for them the second one i know why they cut it and i'm okay with it but this one i kind of wish they kept it in because it shows more answers to why they were unsuccessful first is them announcing their own record label which you can hear it in the clip here it's their version of apple records ladies and gentlemen of the press we take great pride in announcing the formation of donut records frankly we were hoping for a bigger turnout i'm just here for the donuts and then came the greatest threat of all a new kind of music born in the savage streets of switzerland these dangerous alpine rhythms appeal right to the pelvis

oh that's a classic quote in the making love that quote dangerous alpine rhythms appeal right to the pelvis oh that's a classic quote in the making love that quote dangerous alpine rhythms it's so great too because it's like a joke about how racist people were to certain musics from certain groups of people except they put it on the swedish and that it's the swedish appealing to the pelvis but i wish they'd kept in the donut records joke that's really good because the the Beatles in the later years of their career launched Apple Records with so many amazing musicians who recorded and were on their label. Am I mistaken or is the pun supposed to be Apple Corps? Oh. Like C-O-R-P?

Is that the pun behind Apple Records? I don't remember. I mean, that sounds likely and is another pun that gets less funny every time you think about it so that's in keeping but i don't remember specifically because everybody just calls it apple it sounds rather cheeky to me and i think katie do you remember this that like that thing being called apple and then there being a computer company called apple wasn't that something for a while that was partially why the Beatles weren't on iTunes for a good while until eventually they were?

Yeah, I think so. I think that that at least contributed. I don't know how much is just because it took a while to work out how, you know, streaming or buying records digitally, you know, how it would convert to charts or sales or I don't know. So I don't know, actually, specifically, if it was just the name difference or I know that they weren't on there for a long time, but they also weren't on Spotify for a long time. Now they are. But, you know, I don't know how much was just like that the catalog is so valuable and that they care about the legacy. And if they're just a little hesitant to jump on new technologies or i don't know it wasn't until 2010 that they hit itunes

that's quite late after all that they then learn they're finished from a certain magazine then came the day we knew we were finished gentlemen this magazine just came out with its What's Hot and What's Not issue. Are we hot? We are not. We all went our separate ways. Well, William, I'm back. So, how did you spend your summer? I made millions in software and lost it at the track. Ugh.

It may not be glamorous, but it's good, honest work. How much is this quart of milk? Twelve dollars. Hey, Barney, what'll it be? I'd like a beer, Mo. I'd like a single plum floating in perfume served in a man's hat. Here you go. Hey, fellas, I'm back.

Oh, that's great. Your replacement was getting tired. Hey, Queenie, you can go now. I'll give her a good home. And I did. The homer slaughtered that chicken himself and cooked it and ate it. Skinner goes back to school. Apu seems to get his first job at the Kwik-E-Mart. And then we have our last of the Japanese conceptual artist gags, which, Bob, I think you've pointed out in the past, like, this is the second time an Asian woman had a line on The Simpsons,

I think, not counting the waitress at the sushi restaurant. I don't know what the other one could have been. I could only think of the waitress at the sushi restaurant. Otherwise, I can't think of any. Okay. This is still Pamela Hayden, though. And, of course, in real life, it's not a Simpsons predicted it.

It's somebody made the joke in real life. But Katie, did you hear about this? The real life plum floating in perfume served in a man's hat? No. At a 2016 exhibition called Yoko Ono, One More Story, where she invited collaborations from other artists. This was at the Reykjavik Art Museum, 2016. Icelandic artist Ragnar jartinson oh i love him he recreated it he had a man's hat with perfume and a plum floating in it it was at yoko on this

thing but some people originally reported it as yoko oh no references Simpsons joke in her new thing. It's more than an artist she invited and presented did it. And it's not known. None of the articles I read from then know if Yoko Ono knew it was the intentional joke or not, if she was in on the joke. Yeah, I'd be curious. It wouldn't surprise me if she did not know the reference or that it was a joke just because the reference is like it's a reference to something referencing her so it's kind of a funny roundabout i guess yoko appreciation of she didn't do that no i had not heard that that's funny i wonder how much it sold for being at an art museum it must have been for sale seems really hard to move like how would you transport that you need a funnel yeah i think i

guess also i would expect the perfume would evaporate at some point it's pretty great that mo has it right on hand and instantly just pulls it up for her here you go yeah i wonder how long that lasted for barney and the artist the unnamed artist i do like that because there is no definitive cause of the beatles breakup the B-sharps breakup came from an Us Magazine article declaring them not. It's just, that's when they all decide we have to disband. This is too embarrassing. We're lesser than elf. Yeah, that is very different from, I mean, obviously the Beatles never stopped being extremely popular. And then yeah, the breakup, the Beatles breakup is more because of arguments over licensing and

rights and finding a new manager like they just could not agree on who would be the new manager that combined with all the existing interpersonal stuff just yeah kind of spiraled out and they were all kind of like ready to do their own thing but it got very acrimonious over money stuff unfortunately I'm not even that big a beatles freak but i do love early george harrison uh the stuff he put on the the concert for bangladesh i love that i listened to that a bunch of the video store i worked at and when i watched it back that's when i turned into my husband one of those beatles explainers where when george harrison quits and leaves i then pointed the screen and go like,

okay, do you know that when he leaves, that while he's there, that's when he's writing Wawa and it's about how he's pissed that he's not getting to be part of the band? Yeah. I was like, oh, I turned into a Beatles freak all of a sudden. Yeah, so much of All Things Must Pass is stuff he had just built up while he was in the Beatles

and that's why he could pretty much just right out the gate release a triple album. But he had a built up while he was in the Beatles. And that's why he could pretty much just right out the gate, release a triple album. But he had a big backlog. Yeah. I saw some other clip. This was in Lindsay Ellis's video clip of him. I think a Dick Cavett saying like,

if I released, you know, I had so many songs that I'd have to release an album every year to catch up with all the things I wrote while on the Beatles before I can release new things. I write. Yeah. I mean,

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Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care. Did I mention that we care? But I think that was also just part of his narrative post-Beatles is that he had felt constrained and like his songs weren't getting put on the albums and that he had all this work and he wasn't being taken seriously. And so I don't know also if that could have just been an exaggeration because that was kind of his angle on why he was happy to not be in the Beatles anymore but when we see Skinner's version of getting back to work they make it a joke about Willie but that was not the original scene for old skinny boy I get why they cut it and it's really creepy yeah now I remember which scene you're talking about is this the one that is further making agnes into mrs bates yes okay yeah it's pretty clear in the audio of this little clip

but what happens is you'll see skinner return home and his home is drawn to look like the bates home from psycho we all went our separate ways mother i'm back were you with any woman no i kept my oath good boy now give me a bath yeah it's weird it's weird yeah it's playing off of the original skinner as norman bates joke from what episode was that it's when they have to go to the principal's office because lisa was calling the cory hotline yeah that's in brother from the same planet yeah that's it yeah it follows from that of like oh i'm too old to put on the sailor suit anymore mother so but this gets too creepy that she told him not to have sex the entire time and he didn't yeah yeah it's a little

more directly incestuous than just them having a weird mommy baby thing it's much better by the rest of season five they figured out that agnes is just a flat killjoy is who she is then as we reach the end here they ask homer a bunch of questions that the episode skillfully avoids because none of it would make sense. I'll never forget my five and a half weeks at the top. Man, that's some story. But there are still a few things I don't get. Like

how come we never heard about this until today? Yeah, and what happened to the money you made? Why haven't you hung up your gold record? Since when could you write a song? There are perfectly good answers to those questions, but they'll have to wait for another night. Now off to bed. So there you go.

None of it makes sense, but they just have to wait for another night. And there's great answers. Oh, Homer's got great answers right now, he can tell you, but they've got to wait. That night will never come. He also says five and a half weeks at the top. So I think that theoretically they could have started in 85. And then in 86 is maybe when they actually have the five and a half weeks of success.

And then return back to their lives. To justify the previous timeline. I like that. And also when Homer is reflecting on the old album and holds up Bigger Than Jesus on the back, it's them posed like the back of the Sergeant Pepper album as well. Yeah. Where Paul is backwards. But in this one, Homer's got his butt crack out.

So for that photo, Homer becomes John again, instead of Paul, which he was for most of the third act in, in the shots. Or wait, isn't it Paul? That's backwards.

Am I misremembering? I'm going to trust you on this, Katie. I am not sure. Okay. I'm now I'm scared. Everybody Google it. The rooftop concert that they do is also a Beatles illusion,

but again, very different timeline. So if you watch Get Back, you see them do the rooftop concert. So they did that. Maybe half the songs on the actual album are from the recordings on the rooftop. So that is the last Beatles live performance. That's true. Because in this episode, that's like a reunion and they do the rooftop show. So it's eight years after this all happened. And for the real Beatles, the rooftop show happens and then they go on to record Abbey Road. They do a whole other album before they break up. It just

was the last live show because they stopped touring after, I 66 i do wonder if this is you know a thing by people who lived through it just imagining like boy wouldn't it be nice to get a beatles reunion that we'll never get that could never happen or i think the rooftop concert a lot of people think of as like oh if i had a time machine and i could witness a beatles thing well because Let It Be makes it look amazing. And I mean, it is amazing. And it's the end of Let It Be as well. But it was really funny to see because I'd seen the clips before. I'd seen them before.

And then that's basically how it was presented in the Let It Be film. But when you watch the Get Back movie, which is amazing, it's like the last hour of the movie is just like real time, no cuts, the entire performance on the roof. And what you note from that version is that most people on the street can barely hear it. They go like, oh, is that the Beatles? Who is that? Like what? And very few people can see anything from street level. If you were one of the other people on like another rooftop, maybe you could see it. But for it to be their final performance performance very few people who were even there for it knew they were hearing it yeah i love in the episode how the paper boy is advertising

extra extra read all about it b sharps perform on rooftop and the guy comes and sees it and then he's like there's nothing in here about that and he's getting all mad and ignoring that that actual performance is happening right now like it's in get back and they did use didn't let it be like when the cops show up that these billies with their ridiculous hats guy like oh what's this thing like they basically say that you can see why monty python it's so much fun making fun of overly serious british policemen yeah and how it's so much fun making fun of overly serious British policemen. Yeah. And how it's so funny, you know, because I think they kind of showed like Bobby's coming into the lobby and then up on the roof eventually. But of just all the different layers of people being like, oh, they're almost done. We're cleaning up all the kind of delay tactics. Also, apologies.

I did say Billy. I should have said Bobby. That's what they're called. Yeah. Yeah. I guess if they perform in a parking lot or something, more people will be able to hear it, but it would not be iconic at all. I'm just thinking of, man, they're up high.

It is January in London or wherever they are. It's got to be cold. You can see how bundled up they are. I can't believe how well they're able to play. Like, I was in marching band, and when you have rehearsals in the cold, like, your fingers don't move right and it will like put your instruments out of tune and all sorts of stuff like I can't believe how good they managed to sound the characters are all drawn to be in outfits for each of the Beatles

were wearing specifically that day though in this case I believe it's Skinner is dressed like Paul, Homer is in Ringo, Barney is Lennon, and Apu is Harrison, I believe. I think Skinner is John. That's the note I made when I was watching it and looking at the pictures. Skinner is John and Apu is George. Did I get that wrong? I think Barney's John because he's wearing that fur coat thing. Yeah, he has the big fluffy fur coat.

Oh, right. Sorry. I think I meant Skinner is Paul. Right. Skinner's Paul. Yeah, that's what I think. My bad. I wrote that thing the wrong way which by the way paul is like i've never been that attracted to paul mccartney would not be my vote of most attractive beetle but him with a full

beard in the get back recordings i think he is very handsome mccartney so his first solo album that he kind of released with an announcement that the Beatles were done and people did not take it well but on that album it's a great picture of him like on his farm in Scotland and he's got his beard it looks good sounds hot I need to look this up Henry take a shower cold I believe I read too that Katie I don't know if you've heard this that John Lennon didn't like the Let It Be film because he felt that it was too favoring Paul and that it's like a Paul movie and that he's kind of like secondary to it like that Paul gets all the best like footage in it oh in the original edit I mean I think a lot of the feeling from about Sgt. Pepper forward was everybody being

like why is Paul trying to be the boss when it was from my understanding that he was also the one that was like the most able to get anybody to get anything done. So, you know, where he took on this role and people resented him for it. But it also is the reason that any stuff happened. I don't know specifically. I've seen the original Let It Be documentary, but not like enough to have a great distinction in my mind of like what was definitely in that versus what's just in Get Back.

Because again, what the footage that ends up being Get Back, everything that's in the original Let It Be is included in there, plus a bunch more because they were able to use these like AI tools and stuff to clean up a lot of the audio and to fix the video. And, you know, so there's a lot of stuff that I think was just kind of unusable when the movie was first made. So I don't know how much of the edit was just that of what footage was workable or not. But also like we were talking about, like John was showing up pretty strung out half the time. And so Paul was the one that was like kind of taking on a more leadership role or would be working with the different producers and people that were trying to get them to put together a big tour, a big show. Well, I don't know. You can just watch Get

Back. We don't have to talk about the whole thing. I don't know if there were valid reasons for John having that opinion or if he was just already having those feelings about Paul and able to project them on how this documentary got cut. I have to imagine being a, you know, now we're so used to every famous person makes a joke about their career all the time. But seeing George Harrison watch a parody of one of the most iconic Beatles moments ever

and saying it's been done that feels like it really would have packed a wall up back then and it's still pretty nuts to see him say it it is so fun for you know I think it is also in keeping with George's character to some degree that everybody's freaking out over something and he just has this like little laconic just like I don't care kind kind of thing. That feels right for him. I can't remember the last time we were all together. Last year on that stupid Dame Edna special. And a one, and a two, and a three.

Boom, boom, boom. Baby on board. How I'm adored. That sign on my car's window pane. Hello? Human fly here. Come on. I stayed up all night dying my underwear.

Extra, extra. B-sharps sing on rooftop. What? Give me one of those. Wait a minute. There's nothing in here about the B-sharps. Come back here! It's been done. Pretty, huh, Chief?

It sure is, Lou. It sure is. Get the tear gas. It's a trip to paradise With my baby on board I'd like to thank you on behalf of the group, and I hope we pass the audition. I don't get it. They finish their song.

I also do like the joke that, when did we last do this? Last year on that stupid Dame Edna special. Like, what a great joke. Oh, I was very aware of Dame Edna at the time because my grandma loved Dame Edna. I have never heard her laugh so much than whenever Dame Edna was on television. That's great. Played by comedian Barry Humphreys, who just passed away last year. I like too that, you know, how we were talking

earlier about that Homer still says Principal Skinner and Chief Wiggum and like they don't act like they all know each other, that they apparently have been kind of maybe not consistently, but at least recently also doing other reunions of this and bart and lisa still didn't know about that yeah when homer went to do the dame enda special what did the bart and lisa think last year when he did that i wonder too if that joke is sort of about like well if the beatles were still around they'd probably be constantly doing reunions to diminishing returns it would feel less special or something i wonder if that's the gag they're doing there.

After all that, we wrap up with the exact ending of Let It Be, which is when, in the Let It Be film, when they finish the song, John Lennon says what Homer says, that I hope we pass the audition. And then they say that it was Castellaneta who then improvised Barney laughing and saying, I don't get it. Which is a perfect end that after a lengthy, incredibly specific series of parodies of the Beatles to have a character just go like, I don't get it.

Like after all of that. That was me as an 11 year old. But I still thought it was very funny. Yeah, I also love that in contradiction to how at first like just immediately saying yes to the handsome homer and plus three or whatever how previously he's like just on board for anything and then now is when he chooses to speak up about like oh that's the thing about this that doesn't make sense to you he's finally confused baby on board it's such a beautiful end to the episode too like i just love

to hear the song one more time still it's one of the best simpson songs i love hearing it this was a really good episode that is like a perfect tribute when the beatles were only 30 years old what was a wonderful tribute to the most famous rock band of all time it's funny to do a beatles story with like something so deeply uncool you know know, or I mean, I think that's something that if you watch Get Back or watch the rooftop concert footage, like they look so cool. no safety stuff they got zero permission they don't have permits you know they just like decided to do it because it was cool and choosing barbershop as map for that is a very funny choice like i said like a minute ago even if you don't get the beetle stuff all the jokes are still very funny and it still functions as a very fun mid-80s time capsule which was very very novel in 93 and it's so specific that even today, it still feels unique.

So yeah, I really love this one, even though I know all my Beatles stuff comes from just this episode and a few other things. That's basically it. I mean, it's not a bad intro. Like, obviously, it's not telling the direct story, but there are tons of, yeah, those just kind of general cultural knowledge about the Beatles that this would definitely fill you in on some of the story that's separate from the music. So thank you once again to Katie Platner for being on an episode, an episode that is nearly as long as the documentary series Get Back. Katie, let us know more about you, where we can find you online and more about your podcast.

Thank you for having me. First of all, I am, I suppose, here today by way of a podcast that i am on called screw it we're just going to talk about the beatles that's obviously a podcast about the beatles general panel is me will hines joel spence and brett morris that is available on any podcast player you can also go to screwitpodcasts.com there's a new subscription thing that includes also um will's other podcasts screw, we're just going to talk about comics. So anybody that likes the Beatles and comic books, this is a package deal for you. I also have my own podcast that's kind of a spinoff that is called Screw It, I'm Just Gonna

Talk About Music or Whatever. That is me, I make different themed playlists. The themes are sometimes lyrical or title-based, sometimes more musical feature. And then it's just me sharing those and talking about them. And then every once in a while I'll have guests to go over a full album or do something together. So yeah, those are the main podcast things. And then if you want, I also am a visual artist and that stuff is on Instagram at katydoodlehands. You need to get the wishbone necklaces. Get those ready. I think you'll sell a few after this.

I mean, clearly precedent shows that I'm going to be wildly successful. Yeah. I'm sure Oyster Lucys became repopularized after this episode aired. Oh, yeah. Get in the Oyster Lucy business. Well, it needs to be the Lucy of now would be 30 years ago. Then it needs to be the Oyster Felicity. How about that?

Or Oyster Jennifer Aniston. Yeah, I was going to say Carol Burnett, but I think that's too old. Well, hopefully she's still with us. I always say anytime we mention an old person, honestly, I'm terrified that any person we have mentioned who is currently living when we did this episode will be gone in the time it takes to release. We'll be blamed and arrested and our listeners will have to bail us out because of our magic powers but thank you so much for all your time and all the great insight katie into beatles history oh thank you so much for having me thank you once again to katie platner for being on the show please check out all of her stuff but as for us if you want to support us and get nearly 200 full-length podcasts on top of that head on over to patreon.com

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