Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Homer's Night Out (Revisited) With Kallie Plagge

Episode Date: April 15, 2020

Gamespot Reviews Editor Kallie Plagge is back again as we revisit perhaps season one's most feminist episode. Homer goes to a stag party at work and gets photographed dancing with Princess Cashmere, upending all sexual mores in Springfield! As Marge deals with humiliation and Homer sleeps over at Barney's apartment, Bart ultimately learns to respect at least a million girls in the closing number. Learn all about that AND why Sam McMurray still holds a grudge with the series in this week's exciting podcast!! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the new official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

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That is patreon.com slash talking simpsons. Now, please enjoy the rest of this podcast. I heartily endorse this event or product ahoy everybody and welcome to talking simpsons where we sleep in the filth we've created. I'm your host, the self-styled Valentino Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today? Your big cuddly teddy bear, Henry Gilbert. And who do we have on the line? The woman you respect, Hallie Planky.

And today's episode is Homer's Night Out. Ah, this is the most fun I've ever had in my life. Today's episode aired on March 25th, 1990. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh my god! Oh boy, Bobby. Pretty Woman is number one at the box office while

Driving Miss Daisy wins Best Picture at the Oscars in the year where Do the miss daisy wins best picture uh at the oscars in the year where do the right thing wasn't even nominated for all the biggest awards and most importantly though we say goodbye to gordon shumway as the final episode of alf airs in a giant cliffhanger i'm saluting alf right now and the uh made for tv movie project alf would not cover any of this stuff uh yeah i mean it sets up that yes the okay so the the cliffhanger was he alf or gordon shovelay is trying to uh head back home as one of his old buddies is finally coming to pick him up but just as the government arrives and they catch alf and it's to be continued and they

thought they were going to get another season but they didn't leaving many a child to like me to be terrified for my good friend alf that he was about to be like kidnapped by the government and likely killed and so then when the project alf movie came out it showed that he was captured by the government but it didn't turn out so bad for him and he made a bunch of new government friends because no actor from the original alpha wanted to come back it's true and can you believe there was a time in this world where alph and seinfeld co-existed on nbc oh my god very very early seinfeld to be fair but uh first season as seinfeld began alf was uh going away at sunrise since alf was passing the torch to an even like a show of equal value i would say

yes also the story i love from the making of the last episode of alf was that the second the last episode was done the actor who played the father on the show he had his bags packed already in his uh dressing room he immediately went backstage left the soundstage and never returned and did not say goodbye to anybody he was just done with al and the the creator is he just keeps trying to make alf happen yeah like he's never given up on alf he's the voice of alf the creator of alf i think maybe some of the puppeteering as well i think so yeah sorry this is a real alphathon yeah we grew i mean it felt like i think callie uh she's younger than us i think she lived in a post-alf world yes but alf was part of our childhood i think it was only

um maybe on for four years but it felt like my entire uh life as a child alf was there for me and we had those alf cartoons when the show was over making him even more kid friendly for us plus i feel like our alf toy ownership coasted right into our bark toy ownership like it went straight from alf to bark but it's interesting i did grow up like uh watching you know stuff like the simpsons from episodes before i was supposed to be watching them stuff like that and so i had like a knowledge of alf like alf is in my periphery but i never overlapped with alf you know for a short run it did have quite the uh lasting impact on the psyche of america he had quite a few bart style catchphrases like no problem

can i eat your cat and life's a beach but i i guess talking about movies too i've only seen clips from pretty woman i've never seen the entire thing i uh i've heard it's good it's a nice film i've never seen the whole thing i have never seen the whole thing either but i have have read Pygmalion, which is... Get the gist of it then, yeah. You know, I know the whole idea. And the Driving Miss Daisy Oscar win. Not the most memorable film.

Speaking of do the right thing, I think the Oscars did the wrong thing. Well, they always do. Yeah. I mean, well, except this year. I was trying to be clever. Yeah. No, that was good.

Parasite did win. That was a good, ancar good time i i forget uh i'm sorry for forgetting who this was i'm sure someone in the comments will let me know like one of the women presenters that night gave one of the awards and then was like oh and by the way it's a total disgrace that do the right thing is not nominated oh wow it was like meryl streep or somebody no i think it was kim basinger i think it was kim basinger oh who did that like very, very unexpected. Wow, I didn't know that. You'll have to see it. Yeah. I should say, at least in the supporting actor category,

they nominated Danny Aiello. That was the one. Oh, I thought you were going to say Dan Aykroyd because he also got a supporting actor nominee. Oh, yes. I was just talking about the only person really nominated. Well, it got script. It did get screenplay.

But I mean, of all of the Best Picture nominees from that year, I feel like the only other one I remember is Glory, and that's because they played it in my school, like in middle school, a few times. You had to remember the War of Northern Aggression. That's why. Yeah, I mean, Glory was made to be shown in your classrooms but do the right thing it was one of many overlookings that spike lee had to deal with but anyway hey welcome back callie callie's third appearance i think you were on uh twisted world of march simpson season eight and then

lard of the dance season nine i was i i'm glad that you guys wanted me back for a third time yes and uh as folks may know you from uh your work on game spot you're the reviews editor correct i am that's good i guess by the time this comes out everybody knows how awesome animal crossing is but i i enjoyed your review thank you so much i it was uh like i told you guys before we started recording it's um it was a hard one to write just given everything that's been going on. But it's also a game that I have been enjoying escaping to. I did kind of a different approach to the video review, so I had fun with that. I got to just be excited about the game and talk about different things I liked.

I just really quickly want to talk about my villager. Walking in and seeing my villager singing a song to himself. Oh, that's so cute. I actually, I was really close to tears. It was incredible. I watched him for 30 minutes singing a song to himself. We need moments of beauty.

We need moments of beauty in a time like this. Exactly. And that moment of beauty comes in the form of a cow villager singing. I've said this on Twitter before, but with everything that's happening now, everyone simply must become a gamer. Yes.

There's no excuse now. everyone simply must become a gamer. Yes. There's no excuse now. You have to become a gamer. Yeah. My brother is in the other room of the house playing Arkham City for some reason. Oh, nice. Good choice. My dad's been playing Warzone.

It's just all over the house. Yeah, that's nice. It's bringing families together. Also, though, Callie, we usually, when we have you on, we talk about how you're younger than us but so you probably weren't watching season one when it first aired and part mania was high but what is your history with this episode I've seen every episode up to a

certain season uh many times so I'm sure the first time I saw this episode I was pretty young I just love Homer's speech at the end so much and that has stuck out to me I remember the first time seeing it just being really stricken by it. I think it's the kind of episode that, you know, I don't think about it affecting my life directly. But I'm sure it's one of those things that is in the back of my mind, shaped my consciousness of like my role in the world. It's funny that everyone starts crying at the end. But I really does. It does stick with you.

And it's really sweet. And I really love episodes where Homer is being, you know, a cluelessly good husband or a cluelessly good father. And Marge's reaction to that speech just gets me every time. That's sweet. I somehow remember this one almost, I think, more than other season one episodes. And I don't know why i think maybe as a kid it was like interesting because it was like very sexy and sex related and you know ribald on the fox network but i think in my head as a kid what homer did was far more lewd like this is a much leuder show than as an adult it's like this could be on nickelodeon yeah yeah it's so tame he doesn't do he doesn't i

mean i was watching it for this recording and i was like, huh, I don't know if I would be mad. It seems, I mean, even on the commentary that they recorded in 2001, they're like, what's so crazy about this picture? Why? Why does everybody care? No, you know, this one is kind of I barely remember watching it. I definitely watched it live. But I mean, the storyline and stuff was kind of lost on me i suppose but uh as as a six-year-old but i uh seven-year-old but i still enjoyed it uh as as a story i guess and seeing i guess i like seeing bart with his spy camera that was the thing that made me where's my spy camera that got me though that spoke to me the most as a child the bart bit stuck out but

this is ripped from the headlines of 1988. The Rob Lowe sex scandal, which he really lived down and recovered from and bounced back from. Who knows what would happen to him today, but... Well, so in case listeners don't know, that sex scandal was, to briefly explain it, Rob Lowe, famous star of the Brad Pack at the time. He, I believe, was at the time uh he i believe was at the atlanta uh democratic convention that was going on yeah he was uh campaigning for ducaucus it was the night before and uh should i tell the story sure yes uh he was videotaped i assume with his consent having sex with two women

uh that night and one of them turned out to be underage i think the story goes that she was 16 but the age of consent there was 14. In Georgia, yeah. Yeah. Pretty fucked up. That age of consent rose a bit later. But, I mean, technically he served no crime, but also was like, this guy's a creep. Yes.

But I think he lived it down by, you know, having a good attitude about it or making fun of himself. He appeared on SNL in like a skit with the church lady. He did all the things a famous man can do to get away that's very important yeah yeah and so uh that it was a viral thing that got all passed around and everybody's like oh we're gonna watch the roblo sex tape or you can buy the roblo sex tape like now we know so much about revenge porn and all these things that it feels like so wrong back then that we all just accepted like yeah we're gonna watch the sex tape and we're all just like to enjoy it and it uh it's pretty

gross to look back i think uh al goldstein the guy from uh screw magazine bought the tape got the rights being big quotes the tape to sell the tape so it was being sold yes right yeah no no the uh the clip i i before i've seen a clip of him saying like we got the tape it's rob low you can see his and then he describes uh all the way all the things you can see but yes it was a thing that got traded around it was you know an early version of a viral uh sensation before there was social media to share all those things and so you know lots of sitcoms made you know story or comedies made reactions to the rob low tape trading and this uh simpsons episode was a very quaint version of that where homer dances with a belly dancer in place of a celebrity sex tape.

And another interesting thing, well, actually the Rob Lowness of it, I looked up the writer of this episode, John Vitti. A comment he made about this was that he says, this script was a harder one for him to write than Bart the Genius, which was his previous script. And he is kind of disappointed with this episode. And he said that six years later, when he was working

on the larry sanders show he wrote basically the same plot episode uh inspired by rob lowe as quote i wanted a do-over and uh that episode is uh hank's sex tape is the name of the episode that bd wrote and uh the plot of it is that on the larry sanders show he has his sidekick hey now hank uh played by jeffrey tambor uh yeah it it makes this a weird episode to go back to it was one of my favorites before uh when i was uh more ignorant uh but um now watching it with fresh eyes it's a kind of fucked up episode where Hank wants to be a orange juice salesman in commercials. And then co-workers discover his secret sex tape and start passing it around. And everybody just like watches it in the office and they are all like laughing.

And I'm like, well, that's illegal right there. Like that there is a crime. And the joke in the episode is that once people see it hank has a they're impressed with the size of hank's genitals and everybody treats him differently but they are able to get back the sex tape and prevent it from going viral that's the the plot of the episode so that was vd doing his uh his roblo twice. I wonder what was disappointing about this episode, because I like this episode. You know, I think he didn't say why,

but I think it was earlier in his writing career. He hadn't worked on a lot of shows before, so he probably just only sees the flaws in it. Okay, I relate very hard to that, so never mind, I understand. I think this is just the second episode of television he's ever written, right? Bart the Genius was the first. I think you are correct.

Wow. You know, before we get into the episode, I did have one little thing planned here, which is, you know, for most of these episodes, we've been doing little biographies on new writers or directors. But these are two repeated writers and directors on this one but i did want to use this as a chance to talk about one of the uh the overlooked women of the simpsons world and that's bonnie patilia the casting director for the simpsons she is as important to the first days of the simpsons as just about anybody. From reading interviews with her and hearing her tell stories on some different podcasts

or specials, she really had a lot to do with the early success of the show. So quick thing about Bonita, she got her start as a concert promoter in the 80s. She says she was like the most successful woman in concert promoting in America back then. And she moved to LA, but she says she couldn't get a job in the music industries by moving to la and all her success she said quote it was tough for girls then and yeah it's sad uh but she was able to transition into being a talent agent in the uh the television industry and uh after working on uh some movies as well like she worked on as a casting director on texas chainsaw massacre 2

for instance and then she became a casting agent for the tracy allman show i believe the first thing she worked on with james l brooks she would help not only with casting on the show with like the original cast but also she'd be assigned things like hey we need a guest for to do this in this sketch find somebody for it and she just got to know all the people to cast around town uh and so brooks then connects her with a new guy she's worked that you're going to be working with to do interstitial shorts she gets hooked up with matt graining and he is explaining to her who these characters are going to be and she's like okay i've got to think of people for this and she was the one like she

had worked with nancy and she had worked with yardley okay she was just like oh i'm definitely going to use them she said she had to like get three other people to audition just because they were like the producers told her you know we can't just definitely go with nancy and yardley get other people let's let's make a whole thing out of this. She also, in a video I watched, she told this very funny story that when she was trying to first think of casting, Grading drew her a sketch of Bart and said, okay, here's Bart, here's the character.

She tacked it up on her poster board in her office. And when she was moving offices eight years later, she was like, oh my God, this is Simpsons history right here on my wall and she also said that on her piece of paper matt grating said bart's name was mort and that his name was mort before people mort mimpson and so she cast dancy and yardley she also knew that they had no budget for these shorts and she's like well let's just use dan and julie then uh which they agreed with. So that's how they ended up with them as the voices on it.

And then she said, when the show started, Brooke simply told her, hire Harry Shearer. And so, but the rest of the casting was a lot more her on the series. Like she tells stories about casting a lot of people. She tells this great story about how, when Lucy Taylor came in for her audition she said russie taylor came in with a bird cage with two parrots in it and she's like hey i got

my parents here i'm on my way home and uh she she just said russie taylor was the sweetest lady in the world i didn't know she was a bird lady that's cute and she also tells the story uh they were casting christopher collins aka chris lotta and uh that she said she didn't feel he was the right voice at the time especially for mo but the other producers told her like look we just got to get somebody in here just don't worry about it and then she said uh some weeks later sam simon calls her and says fire that guy but benita already knew who to recast in that because she had worked on that uh she said she wasn't even a casting director on she like did a couple days on the show hollywood dog the pilot for that and that's where she met hank azaria and she knew azaria would be perfect

for it she even at first said hey the voice you do for hollywood dog that should just be bo and he's like well i can't this ho this Hollywood Dog Show might get made. So I better just, you know, alter the voice a little bit. I like the idea of Hollywood Dog. In case you don't know what that is, it's sort of like Roger Rabbit, but on a TV budget. Yes. And there's the pilots online on YouTube, right? It's worth checking out just for, because it is adjacent to Simpsons history. Also,

because it didn't get made as a show. Benita tells the story that she wanted to get Azaria in the first place, but she had been told by Simon, don't cast anybody who has a deal at anywhere else because he wants the Simpsons to be first position. And so she wanted to get Azaria, but with Hollywood Dog going, they're like, well, Hollywood Dog has first position. She said the day they fired Christopher Collins, she called him and he's like, they just ended production on Hollywood Dog.

She's like, yeah, all right. Well, then you're on The Simpsons. She would work as a producer for years and years on the show. She won three Emmys working on the show. Obviously, most of the time you're not casting the core cast anymore on the simpsons after the first year but she then more transitioned into guest star coordinator and trying to get all those folks she said ringo star was one of the toughest she ever got on the show and based on imdb credit she left the show in 2015 that's her most recent she always has a credit on

the show for original casting but her last a credit on the show for original casting but her last producer credit on the show is a 2015 episode it's one of those names you always see in the credits but not are not really sure who they are but she's always there that's right she's like her right by richard sakai and just like who are these people but uh now you know the story of benita and how how important she was to the simpsons like i mean i guess you know they could have cast anybody for those roles but like to imagine it without uh she even said that like when selling nancy is bart to graining she says that she told him you know you cast a woman as a boy in cartoons because then they don't age out of the role and graining's like oh okay like he

wasn't aware of that so yes that's that's uh our little spotlight on menina not much else uh to say in the preamble after that other than uh a clip from this episode appears in the early kristen stewart film catch that kid oh have you seen that one callie i haven't but that is such a what a poll catch that kid yeah it uh kristin stewart before she got cast in twilight she was you know a child actress she had appeared in uh a safe room oh you mean panic room panic room sorry it's okay it's the same thing yeah panic room oh yeah that's right the space jumanji yeah and she was in Catch That Kid, which was about child bank robbers, I believe. Oh, no, I looked it up.

I don't know if that, like, gets to be flagged anywhere. Type me in Catch That Kid. Oh, for real. Uh-oh. Especially, like, Kristen Stewart, Catch That Kid. Yes, in the film, a guard, a lazy guard at a bank is watching a clip from this episode when he should be watching the bank and catching these kids so that's one more bit of trivia about this episode but i guess why don't we start with our first clip uh as the episode begins we get to see the

the morning routine of uh homer and mar. So how was the office birthday party? Oh, it was delightful. The frosting on the cake was this thick. And Eugene Fisk, my poor sucker of an assistant, didn't know the fruit punch was spiked. And he really made an ass of himself putting the moves on a new girl in valve maintenance. Does this girl like him? I have to warn you, Marge. I think the poor young thing has the hush for yours truly.

Homer. Just keeping you on your toes, babe. 239 pounds! Oh, I'm a blimp. Why are all the good things so tasty? From now on, exercise every morning. You're not a blimp, Homer. You're my big, cuddly teddy bear.

I think, has almost every season one episode started with getting ready in the morning scenes? It feels like so many of them have. At least half of them. I'm looking through my notes now. You're right. Yeah. See, yeah. I mean, well, well call the simpsons

begins like i guess it is kind of the morning because bart's doing uh like yard work but yeah the last one we just did of telltale head like that the original opening is the uh the church in the morning they're getting ready for church together yeah it's very literal it's like we can't just show the simpsons where they end up we got to show them getting ready to go there first it's like they had to build that in i think they were not thinking ahead but yeah so much of like the getting ready for bed and getting ready for the morning stuff is in this first season i do like it as a way to like set up the just the mundane things like the average everyday family sort of vibe and i i don't know i i'm a reviews editor by day but by night i just i adore the simpsons so every minute of a simpsons episode i'm like having fun i'm having

a good time and this one though they make good use of it because we see like a different version of the same scene six months later to see nothing has changed but homer's life has gotten worse yeah and also like that you you wonder if like does this happen every week where homer's life has gotten worse yeah yeah and also like that you you wonder if like does this happen every week where homer gets on the scale and is shocked by it and then it makes a new resolution he instantly drops i like his lack of movement on his exercise like yeah just move your arms back and forth love his ex that's me whenever i'm like you know what i need to exercise more i just kind of shimmy i'm kind of jealous that his weight stays so consistent to be 239 pounds six months later still i mean he doesn't want to be 239 pounds but he didn't gain any weight so that's nice yeah you know yeah like staying at that level is impressive for homer honestly 239 seems slim

for homer in fact like the standards i mean there's like a show on tv called my 600 pound life now it's very popular just like that is whale size not to demean the the large of us but i don't think 239 is uh even close to like whale if you're classifying animal wise yeah i feel like homer's not even 600 pounds because i've seen my 600 pound life it is quite the journey of a tv show i would personally not recommend it it's upsetting it's hard to watch the episode where he you know the he has the moo moo i forget the name but where he gains all that weight yeah yeah even then he's not 600 pounds 300 but his design changed so extreme when he gains 60 pounds it's true he's three but he

looks like 500 in that episode it's like i guess uh the writers were all young and had good metabolisms or something and they just weren't sure what big was no way they all got fat eating the at this point no okay yes not at this point they're all wiry and childless and uh living it up in la actually in my john vd research he shared insights we've all seen that picture of them in the writer's room like eating together and like conan's right in the center but he talks about how i guess this is all from uh islands burgers we're all eating island burgers and vd's like here's another picture of me from that same day eating a chili cheese fries from uh from islands yeah also the the i like the comedy that 239 is the legible number on it, too.

I like that. The Simpsons will be right back. Hey, Bart. Want to trade lunches? No way, dude. I got each of the four food groups. Sandwich group, cow group, jungle group, Butterfinger group.

Hey, there's no Butterfinger group. Oh, contraire, mon frere. The Butterfinger group has the chocolatey, crispity, peanut buttery taste essential for survival. I don't have the Butterfinger group. Looks like you could die a malnutrition, dude. Nobody better lay a finger on my

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out in the live show they died in the gulf war if you weren't there to see it i'm sorry that's correct but uh yes only appearance in this show yeah the i think it is because they're just so boring they're not interesting characters they upstanding and they hate the party yeah they seem resistant they seem like they get in the way of comedy but i also do like how nice marge is reassuring homer with his big cuddly teddy bear yeah pronouncement that's that's sweet she you know marge uh marge gets it rough uh sometimes here so i feel bad for her especially when she's so nice to homer at the start of this but i know she really just has a she does not have a great life a lot of the time but she is so loving and I appreciate that about her.

And we haven't heard much about the valve maintenance department since this episode either. I think it was just them trying to make a dirty joke. Oh, okay. Wow, I didn't even think about that. The girl from valve maintenance. Yeah, I also, I go through Homer's recurring realizations of just like, I wish I didn't like eating garbage so much. But what I did recognize as an eight-year-old or

seven-year-old was these ads in the back of comics. When I started reading comic books in 89, you still would see some of these ads, but they basically were dying out. By the 90s, they were dead. The back of comic strip ads for x-ray specs and uh

prank gum and whatnot the comics i got as a real little kid are from the flea market and they were all like from the 70s and 80s so they were full of all these things like you could no longer order a monkey for ten dollars or whatever a live monkey or sell grit to get a motor uh dirt bike but part i mean actually by the mid 90s the only time i'd see ads like these they would be the joke versions of them like simpsons made in bongo comics a number of parody things like this and i think you know bart i love that bart is like i don't believe any of this oh boy it's my camera but it works it's a $2 spy camera that entirely works. You just need access to a photo lab to develop photos.

The camera vexes me. I don't know how it works. No flash on that camera, although it makes a flash sound sometimes. Yeah, you know what? His photo looks pretty amazing for being taken in like a smoky bar with the quality of it but and again a dollar 99 which even in 1990 money is way too cheap for a functioning camera like you i would think a disposable camera then cost you like 20 bucks we had no uh fun savers yeah oh yeah fun savers didn't even exist there was no way to save fun

it was so ephemeral and also when bart wants to get his money he smashes the piggy bank that had been taped back together that homer broke in homer's odyssey there's a lot of piggy bank violence in this uh season it's so weird they break a piggy bank every other episode and they're like and it's featured like two other times like in um no disgrace like home they're like emptying the piggy bank on the table. And there's like one more appearance I can't think of where the piggy bank plays into it. Yeah. Piggy bank continuity.

That feels like a thing the animators remembered and not the writers. Yeah, the shattered piggy bank. And so then we get a Doritos style time jump. Everyone is older and sexier and different costumes. They've got a new fourth form. But yes, actually, no. Everyone is unchanged six months later. Homer actually is going through the same thing again.

Oh, no! 239 pounds! I'm a whale! again. By the way, this Friday night I'm going to be attending a little get-together with the boys at work. Eugene Fisk is marrying some girl in valve maintenance. Homer, is this some kind of stag party? No, no, Marge. It's going to be very classy. A tea and crumpet kind of thing. Eugene Fisk, isn't he your assistant? No, he's my supervisor.

Didn't he used to be your assistant? Hey, what is this? The Spanish exposition? Sorry, Homer. Still keeping that old joke of Homer getting words wrong. Oh, yes. Archie Bunker style. The Spanish exposition instead of inquisition. But yeah, Homer also is shaving, and the beard line is intact,

which in the original first episode, Some Enchanted Evening, they show that he can shave his beard line and it's gone, but then it pops right back. It fades back, yeah. But in this case, he shaves away the stubble from his beard line, which I think is even more confusing, really. So a lot of the jokes of this season are the Simpsons are like a family stuck in the past. They kind of drop that in some ways, but it's like, it's kind of like the 60s family, like living in the 90s. They enjoy mambo and bowling and all the stuff the writers' dads did. I don't think I've ever heard anyone use the term

stag party sincerely in my lifetime. No way. No, stag party. Maybe if they're British, but certainly not an American. It like a flintstones thing where like fred and barney go to a stag party with dancing girls exactly yeah at the water buffalo lodge yeah yeah it feels like like at least this is maybe the origin of of why this is so scandalous is that she she says it was such derision to like a stag party like that's the only reason i've heard british people say like a stag do or whatever and that's the only reason i even understand what that means apparently in australia it's called a bucks night what yeah

it is yeah yeah and then the a bridesmaid party in at least british english is a hen party oh geez yeah it's a little cruel yeah yeah right uh see i yeah i prefer the more clear there's there's no need for metaphor in bachelor's party and bridesmaids party like it's pretty clear in those i think you know the stag idea i barely knew what it was as a kid i think the only other exposure I had to the concept was multiple jokes in old Warner cartoons where Bugs would put on a film that he thinks would be innocent and it would be like stag film. And he's like, no, no. I do remember that joke.

It's like, oh, that was a stag reel or whatever. Yeah. I remember that from a few vague uh cartoons uh that but other than that which i guess meant pornography was going to play i think it was like an image of a deer like pulling down its stocking or whatever oh yeah yeah i i find it so weird that that was like oh you know it'd be a fun activity we all watch porn together but maybe that's just me well that was also in the first episode of family guy when we did it it's like let's all come over and drink beer and watch a pornography together yeah which

uh well so look if we're thinking in the way a man in the 50s thinks not everybody owns porn and like one person has probably like an eight millimeter of porn they bought through a filthy magazine and you do all like to save time you all come together and watch that uh that eight millimeter but otherwise you carry the memories with you your entire life uh that gets you through the war that one stack it's true that's why we won damn it uh so so yes well this kind of night just feels so old-fashioned i mean now the idea of like at least to me the idea of oh you and all your work buddies are going to go to a smoke-filled room only men and and a dancer is going to come like it's uh just seems uncomfortable to me honestly

yeah i feel like that doesn't sound like a fun sexy time that would just make people feel uncomfortable well the the in general this uh this shows the difference between like sex positiveness versus this kind of like just very chauvinistic expression of appreciating a sex worker which you get in this episode and i that's a big thing of why I think Marge is against it, too, that she's like, this is just disgusting and gross, like man's night you guys are going to have. Also, the pain of working for your former underling. That's no fun. But you know what?

That old manager now has some bullshit job at Salesforce. So fuck him. That's all I got say he's working from home anyway then as uh also homer just spits all his mouthwash on the wall and like no doesn't even pretend to clean it up and march i feel like she shouldn't be pissed at him uh making that giant mess especially considering how pissed she is later in the episode. You're picking your battles, but I'm not sure why. Then Bart has his first interaction with a woman in this episode.

Uh-oh, it's the female man. Female carrier, Bart. Lady, where's my spy camera? Where's my spy camera? Where is my spy camera, lady? For the last six months, where is my spy camera? Where's my spy camera? Where is my spy camera, lady? Where is my spy camera? Where's my spy camera? Where's my spy camera?

Here's your stupid spy camera. Oh, thanks, man. Whoa, man. Look at the size of this thing. I wonder if it really works. Because i got a lot of spying to do good job with uh on maggie roswell for that yeah female carrier that postal service worker really should have uh come back again why why didn't she have the longevity of a lenny or a carl you know does a good job with that yeah uh just yelling back and forth like i just like

yelling jokes are funny too and we are now in the days of uh like uh frankly things come too quickly it's just like i had to order this happens all the time it's like i had to order a dvd for uh the podcast or whatever and recording it like in 10 days it's like hey do you want it tomorrow morning we'll get it to you tomorrow morning you want so it's like no how is this possible uh it's scary that it could be that fast yeah uh but it's like it's a joke that like i enjoy but it just doesn't even make sense if you like for if you watch that and you grew up you know you're 10 years old and you watch that it wouldn't even make sense which is so crazy to think about well it takes so long it i do remember the pain of waiting for a mail order thing back then it wouldn't take six months but you you couldn't check a website to tell you

that they received it or that you were getting it or that it showed up yeah it was just like one of these days i know in the mail mst3k's poopy collection is going to be in my mailbox. My dad was an early adopter of ordering things off the internet. He was so into it. And so my Game Boy was an online order. And so it was a lesson in delayed gratification. Because every day, did my Game Boy come? I was definitely like, where's my spy camera?

I like the aggressiveness of Bart asking her at the door every day, where's my spy camera for six months, which I would feel like after the third day in a row that happens, you don't go there or just like say, I'm putting this at the end of your driveway. Like, screw you. Like, I'm not knocking on your door with a mail delivery. Start using your mace it's also cute how lisa goes like female carrier bart like it's funny funny little uh correction there there's also some really good like little animation on the packing peanuts falling out of the the giant box of styrofoam peanuts there and so bart gets to work with his spy camera first he photographs homer in his

undershirt doing um toe touches which uh honestly it feels too modest for homer to be in an undershirt i feel like he's just shirtless yeah and it's like under under like uh tighty whities right oh yeah yeah no you mentioned that on the commentary this was the episode where they decided like okay does homer have you know heart-covered boxers or does he wear tighty whiteys and they went they went with the briefs uh which aljean joked about like wells because you can just draw it you don't have to draw the obvious like genital shape that would be seen on a human man wearing as tight a briefs as homer wears uh and it's a smooth pair body yes there are no bumps i was i was thinking about that with

bart's body too he has like a bubble butt oh yeah they're both like upside down light bulbs like most of the men on the simpsons are just upside down traditional they really are they really are they got crazy hips they're all childbearing hips yeah they it'll lead to a realization they do like uh years later on the show with the with the human ball thing where they realize like springfield is america's fattest town and i go yeah most of the men are drawn with at least a little bit of a gut uh and i like bart gets caught taking photos and then he says like sorry dad the answer is top secret runs off uh the i also like you know the joke in 1990 was bart takes a picture and you get to instantly know what it looks like because it they show it to you but obviously he doesn't now that's just reality like we we know what photos

look like the second you take him uh he catches mart shaving her armpits which i feel like she should be doing in the shower not like sitting at a table in the bedroom. Who sits at their vanity to shave their armpits? All written by men. No women on the staff for the first six years. But Marge is very offended and tells Bart to go outside and take some nature photos, which he takes a photo of a squished squirrel. Pretty gross. I feel like in all these circumstances they're asking

themselves like what can't you show on prime time normally like roadkill a mother shaving her armpits and uh and a boy taking a photo of his own butt it's a great angle he's got you know now we all work hard to take good angles on our privates, but Art was ahead of the curve there. But John V also on his Twitter account six years ago, he credited his brother Jim because he said when they were kids, he took pictures of his butt all the time. And who developed these photos? I don't know. That's all the time and who developed these photos i don't i don't know that's all the details he said he might be trying to just embarrass his brother jim vini on on the internet but i've seen like you know you see in shows or whatever photocopying their butt yes yeah but

i i mean i've never but now it's very common for people to take pictures of their butts. So I don't know where I land on this one. Well, you know, Bart didn't know about the mirror selfies back then. I was going to say. Why contort yourself to get a butt shot? It's true. This is a selfie, I guess. Yes. Yeah.

In a way. He's a pioneer. But I also, you know, it's a pioneer uh but i also uh you know it's it's it's a weird picture especially like when lisa walks into the room and goes you i'm just like the angle she's getting i feel very bad for her but yes bart is interrupted in his butt photography as uh as he finds out that the the family's going dinner. Since it's just the four of us tonight, we're having dinner at the Rusty Barnacle. Yay, fried shrimp!

Oh, Mom, can't we just grab a burger at... Only four of us? Who escaped? Your father. He's having a boys' night out. Just as I was asking myself, where did my seven-year-old boy get the money for a Father's Day present? I opened asking myself, where did my seven-year-old boy get the money for a Father's Day present?

I opened the box, and inside was little Eugene's baseball glove. He had given me the one thing that mattered most to him in the whole world. Eugene, when I see you, the one thing that matters most to me in the whole world, married tomorrow, I'm going to know just how you felt that day. I not Flanders. Yes, that was Carl talking at the end there. It is so weird to hear that voice come out of Carl. Yeah. As John Vitti says on Twitter as well,

he gives all the credit to Lenny and Carl being famous characters to Harry and Hank for doing such a good job with the voices because he had no thoughts about them. He's just like, Lenny and Carl, these are who these two other characters are. And production-wise, this is their first episode, right? Yes, it is. Yes. Now, the listeners heard us talk about Lenny appearing in the previous episode that aired

Life on the Fast Lane, but the first appearance of, and only Lenny's in that one, but the first appearance of Lenny and Carl was together in this episode. I don't think Carl will get his real voice until season two. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I mean, I don't think Carl appears in another shot in this season. I don't think so. Well, also the

shocking thing that the first time in production order that you see Lenny, he's smoking. That's true. It's shocking to see him smoke. It's crazy. Not Lenny. Not Lenny. Not Lenny.

He's not worried about his eye yet. There's a lot to come. He's more confident now. His pristine young eyes at this time. We should say that the Rusty Barnacle was mentioned in Life on the Fast Lane, but this is the first time we see it production-wise. And the only time because the Frying Dutchman would become the de facto seafood restaurant.

Ah, man, you know, in a more continuity-carrying Simpsons world, when they made up the Frying Dutchman, they would have just said it was the Rusty Barnacle and the sea captain took it over and made it an all-you-can-eat place. But yeah, the Rusty Barnacle, a one-time appearance. They put so much work into it, I think they felt like they'd probably be coming back. I've been to seafood restaurants like this. In fact, there's one in Berkeley on the marina. It's a really old seafood restaurant, but the inside is like the inside of a ship. So all the windows are like portholes and stuff. They try really hard.

Whenever I go there, which is like twice, there a ship so all the windows are like portholes and stuff they try really hard whenever i go there which is like twice there's nobody in it i don't know how they stay open i bet they're not gonna be staying open much longer that's true you're a good point now that uh yeah i've been i went to these uh a couple times when i was a kid these were the type of restaurants i really like well the spaghetti factories were some of my favorite like the family dines at a nice place together things when i was a kid i you know as a kid i i like seafood fine i mean i just have the the kitty fish and chips usually nothing as exciting even as fried shrimp but i i like these theme things. Now, you know, a seafood restaurant seems kind of just average as a thing for an adult to go to. You like sushi. Oh, I love sushi.

Yes. I love sushi. So as a UCB reference there. But no, the last time I went to a seafood restaurant was when I was up in sacramento visiting my mom and stepdad and it's all seafood places there are a ton of them and so we went to uh to joe's crab shack went to that yeah i was gonna bring up joe's crab shack that's the one this gave me joe crab shack feels yes yes it definitely has a joe's crab shack vibe and uh was a good time we had uh because my parents were paying i was like yeah i'm gonna have uh i'm gonna have two different silly blue drinks with And it was a good time We had Because my parents Were paying

I was like I'm gonna have I'm gonna have Two different silly Blue drinks With funny things Coming up Because of

Girlfriend of the show Nina Matsumoto I've been turned on The squid lately Like dried squid Is a perfect beer snack It's so good Quick interlude

Speaking of beer snacks Have you seen Wakakozake The anime a an office lady every episode's like three to four minutes it's just about her pairing different things with different beers oh i'm on board yeah i would highly recommend waka kozake for that because she'll do like salmon skin with like different beers and it's just like her after work thing that she does by herself oh yeah salmon skin is another thing that nina turned me on to it's good it's so good now that i haven't had i've had the like

uh i've not ordered at a restaurant but i've had it at like convenience stores in japan the squid legs kind of thing or or i had i had it once from a um carnival stall those carnival stall type things okay and uh for street food that was really nice but the yeah the this comes from a like a pre-sushi in america popularizing yeah yeah especially like squid extra tentacles but yeah i mean you could make a case for the frying dutchman like replacing the is the rusty barnacle yes rusty barnacle because marge is so scarred she doesn't want to go back but that makes sense yeah well the frying dutchman was in its first appearance the uh the source of a major lawsuit for the family that's true yeah it was the uh all you can eat seafood

a true humiliation for marge there too though also technically it employs homer as the uh the window uh spectacle uh now the i think to this whole party this stag party that's uh happening here i it feels interesting that eugene and his dad are there such a healthy view of masculinity that they're just like a a father openly loving his son and appreciating him and like embracing him in front of everyone and that's why it's even better to happen at a stag party because all the guys are just like look this sucks like uh you have to wonder who invited princess cashmere if not like it wasn't eugene's idea i don't know who his best man is i have a lot of questions carl seems to know what's going on so i i gotta think carl or other or lenny planned it he ordered the service yes yeah the hired hired the talent let's

say i i also like that um homers where are we the Planet Cornball, that that was just a mean thing that Sam Simon said to an animator one day while they were working on the show. And they're like, that's so funny. We're just going to use that. But also distracting in that one of our weirdos of season one, that guy with the Yahoooo serious i think he looks like the guy with the crazy red hair red crest of hair like a cockatoo or something that guy is so distracting there's no name for him even on the wiki like and there's a lot of characters in this episode who only appear in this episode they have a wiki on the simpsons wiki not that red-haired guy then we cut back to the uh the simpsons arriving i really you know

the hostess design is good but she looks like too human like not the right simpsons design or not like the video game either yes no i mean that would be horrifying if it was uh i beat that game i can say i can say with authority that's a bad game it's illegal to sell it now you can't buy it it It's true. I also feel bad for the waiters in this place. They all have to walk around with a single eye covered. That's going to damage your vision. That seems like a problem, too, for depth perception.

Laying a tray down on a table or laying down plates. Yeah, carrying hot food, fried food. You're going to drop all your squid tentacles on people. And Bart and the waiter instantly have just like antipathy for each other. That feels so shorts to me. Like just Bart clashing instantly with a male authority figure. But they don't really follow up on it. Like Bart doesn't like prank him or anything. I feel like he's dealt with this kind of kid before.

Serving this kind of kid before. I like that he gives him the kid's menu and then immediately takes his order like that they just skip oh yeah that's true like get their drink orders but i guess the guy's like we got to clear out this table fast we got a long line outside uh but yes uh bart has a special order oh hi i spy the children's menu. Ahoy! This place bites. Bart! So what's it gonna be, me little bucko? Let's see. This evening I shall go for the squid platter. Ew! With extra tentacles, please.

No, Bart. Excuse me, sir. The party next door seems to be a little raucous. Could you please ask them to quiet down a little bit, please? Aye, aye. Hey, try and keep it down, guys, okay? Hey, shut up. God, I just realized

I didn't watch this with headphones on. They just had a bunch of guys sing Barnacle Bill. That's so distracting. And it's in the background. Yeah. I didn't notice without headphones either. It's just like, they're doing it. And by the way, yes, I have Barnacle Bill, the full song, sung by a very interesting man.

So this song was public domain. It was just a popular drinking song people would sing. It was first recorded in a song people would sing. It was first recorded in a songbook in 1927. Yeah. But here is a record release of it from 1932 sung by a super interesting voice.

It's only me from all of the states at Barnacleville and Taylor. I've all lit up like a Christmas tree at Barnacleville and Taylor. I'll sail the sea until I croak and fight and swear There you go. So that's the first voice of Popeye singing that. And I believe there was...

No, it's from a cartoon that's called Barnacle Bill. So this record release... It don't recall that one. It was one of the black and white ones. Okay. So it was tied into the release of that cartoon. They were selling it alongside it. But yeah, they're just singing in the background and there's like, I didn't look up the lyrics, but there's like a male part and a woman part, but you sing the woman part in like falsetto.

It's like Barnacle Bill and this woman like going back and forth with each other, I think. That's why we're hearing all the falsetto in the background is like Bart Marxism. It is weird hearing it back, just the audio, because I didn't notice really the background until I didn't have the visual to distract me. They are really loud. I would complain too, but I like that March says please twice. I think that says a lot about March. Yeah. Yeah. And I've I've drank, drank a lot. I've drink, drank a lot by time, as you can tell. But I've never been privy to a drinking song. I've never taken a big mug of beer and did it back and forth and sang a song from 1927.

That's never happened. I mean, is that not karaoke? Is that not what karaoke is? I guess karaoke is just the advanced version of this yeah but i don't want to drink i'm gonna spill my drink and i paid a lot for that i keep the drink i sing the song and then when the song is over i down i down the alcohol you gotta sip it during the solo if you're just gonna stand around oh yes yeah yeah i like it's good on the karaoke where it tells you like you got 20 seconds or like i i

prefer when they tell you you've got seconds instead of like eight bars i'm like i i don't know music why are you telling me listen uh sunfly's a busy bug he can't always count things for you good old sunfly the uh yeah i also just love homer's just like hey shut up good nothing clever just like telling the guy shut up we're gonna yell as much as we want and you can also see eugene and his dad they are miserable just miserable yeah just sitting alone at the table i do like that eugene's origin though is that he got drunk or he i guess he didn't realize that the punch bowl was spiked oh yeah, yeah, that's true. And then got rowdy at a different office party. Oh, yeah, all of these old, like, party things,

like, I meant to say that at the beginning, that, like, I've never been to a place where a thing was spiked. Yeah. Because, like, you know immediately, it's like, oh, this tastes like alcohol. Yeah, right? Like, you would recognize it.

I guess they're implying that Eugene was so virginal that he had never drank alcohol before and didn't even recognize its taste in punch and so i mean talk again we're talking about hr violations like spiking of alcohol like you know some people don't want to ever drink alcohol or maybe you know intentionally sober after having a problem with alcohol. That's why you don't secretly put alcohol in things. That's a fireball offense for sure, I would say. But a more innocent, horrible time in 1990.

It was. And maybe Eugene also, you know, staying sober now because that's what his fiancee, they agreed to it. But being drunk is how they met. Yeah, that's true who knows maybe she doesn't realize that uh uh so the food is delivered there's a uh anagram joke that john vd says he wasted an entire afternoon doing and he he says like time management uh is an important skill to have as a script writer, and I didn't have it then. I went to an anagram maker online, and I found two good ones. Oh, really? For, what's that?

What's the... Cod platter. Cod platter. So, yeah, I have cattle prod and cat droplets. Those are both very good. Yeah. Cold pet rats, good, too. That's the best one.

I wanted to find two other ones. Well, I don't know. That cat droplets, Rat's good, too. That's the best one. I wanted to find two other ones. Well, I don't know. That cat droplets, that's disgusting for sure. Yeah. And $4.95 for a cod platter sounds pretty good. $19.90, man. That was the first thing I looked at when I was looking at the sign.

I was like, wow, $4.95, huh? Well, in the Bay Area, that's especially a deal. Yeah. Yeah, the thinking of how, you know, this is such a Harvard-y room, that is a very Harvard thing to waste the afternoon trying to think of an original anagram joke for you that has something to do with fish, like that would be a fish orderer. Though I don't think you'd see a cod platter like on in a menu or something you just have like yeah the cod i want that uh meanwhile when the food arrives like marge seemed to order a steak or something it does not look like fish to me lisa got her fried

shrimp she got the the turf yes marge did and uh yes this is-Lisa's vegetarianism, obviously, with her love of fried shrimp. That felt like a very, you know, little girl thing to enjoy fried shrimp. Yeah, I still enjoy fried shrimp. Me too. Me too. But they do something that they, I think, only did in this episode in season one and definitely were done with after season one. Bart turns green in reaction to seeing the squid bart turns green in all the john vd episodes so far oh yes yeah the genius he turned well okay

yes but that was a non-cartoony turning it's true but he was still green you are yes yeah like stand by what i said that's uh maybe his you know chemical reaction flares up when he's disgusted uh but yeah the green reaction is just uh i i like that bart kind of played himself there as dj khalid would say but uh yes i uh so they then cut away to uh back to the smoke-filled room and uh the the and a dancer arrives there in our next clip. Here you go. There you are for the baby. And one squid platter, extra tentacle.

Bark, quit fooling around and eat your dinner. Yeah, eat it, Bark. May I please be excused for a minute? Okay, but don't dawdle. Your food will get cold. Okay, but don't bottle. Your food will get cold. Okay, Eugene. One last taste of Bachelor Freedom. Presenting Princess Casimir,

Queen of the Mysterious East. Now this is what I call a party. How do I tell you this, my boy? We're in hell. Look at him squirm. So the Lenny voice was Moe. Yes. That Moe you heard was Lenny. Lenny in this episode is Moe and Carl is Flanders.

Yeah. It took them a while to figure out these characters. The arrival of Princess Cashmere is so funny that she just comes out of the kitchen. I like that. And there's an angry dishwasher behind her. Well, I like that it's like, yeah, you needed to hide somewhere. And I just like thinking of the planning for this. They're like, she has to come in

obviously she can't walk through the restaurant in her costume so she has to come out of somewhere and the kitchen's their only choice i also like that she's the queen of the mysterious east but she's like definitely white yes yeah a red-headed woman yeah uh but she's uh she's a 10 out of 10 smoke show though she's a good looker most attractive woman on the simpsons so far i think to this point yeah yeah including all the other ladies you'll see in this episode they and i and i always feel for the artists because you know mac reigning's art style was not made to draw attractive women and you just like he he doesn't know he'd be the first to admit he can't really draw women.

So that they that they find a way to do it with Kashmir is impressive. He has that in common with a curatorium. Yes. Speaking of wives that are mean in shows. But yeah, so Kashmir, you know, or Shauna Tifton, I guess I should be calling her that. But Princess Kashmir, like she's she's a person doing her job and she doesn't, you know, feel any real shame about that, nor should she. I I like that about her. But also, I don't I don't read her as a, you know, stripper per se. I do see her as more of a belly dancer in this role or like she's i don't i guess what i'm saying is i don't think she's going to take off more clothes than she has

when she enters the room no i don't think so yeah she's just she's more of a performer yeah and then the next time we see her she's a showgirl yes yeah yeah though some of the other places they they go looking for that she does work at those do seem to be strip clubs so she's done some foxy boxing i mean she's got a varied resume i'll say i'll say that about shauna tifton i like you know cashmere is a professional she's doing her job she also like uh i like that she sees that eugene is just like not into this and just would rather be anywhere else so she since she sees she's not going to get much work out of that. She's like, I got to keep this party going.

OK, hey, you big guy, let's let's let's me and you dance instead. It's her job. She got hired for a job and she's going to do it. This is why I think Homer did nothing wrong. OK, he was playing along. She's like, well, this is what I do. I'm hired to entertain and i'm gonna like dance with this uh big guy this big fun guy yeah yeah i'm also in the homer did

nothing wrong camp i think he went to a party there she's wearing clothes he doesn't touch her yeah no physical touching is going on this is not like even a lap dance nothing like they're just like they're boogieing basically they're boogieing on a table yeah and they're not alone either they're in a room full of people so it's not like homer got like a private dance with a woman but yeah i suppose homer okay what homer did do wrong is he lied to marge and said it wasn't a stag party that's true that is true yeah so in that regard he did uh but also like homer didn't even hire the cashmere like it wasn't up to as far as he knew a dancer was not going to be there so all homer does is dance with a dancer who is doing

their job that's uh but you know i i can see it's more the humiliation for marge i guess and he's even kind of like bashful about it when they're trying to get him up on the table you know yeah that's true he's not fooled on it yeah uh but then he gets into it i think there's some really good animation on like not just all of cashmere's movements are great and like she's they find a way to like put sex appeal into uh to her dancing even in the limited animation of tv and meanwhile i really like the the animation of homer slowly like uh loosening up and then really getting into it as he's dancing and we see that still photo a lot and i love the uh just belly bursting out of the shirts yes i know it's so cute uh and uh yes bart on his way to the bathroom hears the noise spots his dad and uh for the last time

in the episode uses his spy camera to take a photo because it it has done its uh plot necessary move there the way his eyes widen when he sees his dad is like it's subtle enough but it's so good like i really like the animation of it yeah i i love a simpson's eye bulge they can uh they you i think it's the type of move they don't do anymore in the show but it it you know you got to do it a little subtly they can't like you know bug out of their heads like in a tex avery cartoon but just a little bulge on like a reaction or a line reading i think can add so much to a scene and uh yes part takes this picture and we all see what the picture looks like. And yeah, I mean, when you see that picture, you're like, why did this go viral?

For what reason? Because, okay, so Homer is a large man next to an attractive, scantily clad woman. At first, it seems like it went viral because people are laughing at it, that it's a funny image to see this, you know, overweight man with his gut hanging out dancing with an attractive lady. But then it transitions to everybody thinking he's a sex machine because of this embarrassing, honestly, photo for Homer. Yeah, I mean, on the commentary recorded like 20 years ago, John Vitti was like, I don't I don't understand why people care about this photo. It's not it's not that crazy it's uh two people dancing together i just don't understand why the town caught on fire and why homer's like a local celebrity now the photography club does

seem to think it's like a really special piece of photography though like the framing or the composition of it or something but i like that there's no background really when you see it yeah like he just managed to capture the two of them there's no background really when you see it yeah like he just managed to capture the two of them there's some ethereal quality in this photo i mean it's a great shot for bart doing it like freehand without even looking through the camera it's it's impressive in that way but when the idea is a viral sex tape but you replace a viral sex tape with a photograph they want to still do the story of like oh everybody has seen rob lowe have sex so now they think he's some lethario they want to still tell

that kind of story but with but removing actually seeing say homer in a sex tape or whatever that's is probably why john vini feels his larry sanders episode that is simply about a sex tape deals with this a lot better and it's more about hank's humiliation and everybody viewing it it's not so much about you know dancers or performers in fact the show treats the women in the video as like nothing they don't no one talks about them no one comments on them they just uh are appreciating seeing hank uh in having sex and laughing at him being naked and in a in a three-way as well which is it's so strange to me because i feel like the first sex tapes that i was aware of were like the pamela anderson sex tape or like even the kim kardashian sex tape and it was about like i can't believe they did that how terrible um so it is a

weird thing for me hearing more of the context and being like focusing on the man in the sex tape instead of the women is just so foreign to me but also at least like princess cashmere does get she you know she had you know the whole point of the episode is that she's more than just the prop in that photo yeah yeah which i from just the description of the episode the sex tape episode you're saying sounds like this simpsons episode handles it better and you know but i haven't seen the other show so uh you know if you're if you're uncomfortable seeing jeffrey tambor and stuff now i don't think you'll want to watch it but i probably won't if you can get past that then it's it's still funny if you can if you can mentally put yourself in 1997 or so and just

be like oh i remember janine ruffalo and stuff and wally george what a good time uh but yes so uh come back from the break they're developing the photos uh martin is voiced by i believe joanne harris in this scene not russie taylor yeah very clearly not russie taylor that's also why i think martin feels a little off and being attracted to women in this sequence i as as a martin is gay truther i don't uh i i just uh my head canon is that he's trying to fit in by being like uh as as many gay people have done, like, oh, yes, that person of the opposite sex is very attractive. I agree. But yes, Bart is showing off his sexy photo.

My goodness, quite exciting. Extremely sensual. Each ton of gray tones recall the work of Helmut Newton. Who's the sexy lady, Bart? Beats me, but the guy dancing with her's my pop. Wow. He brings to mind the letter work of Diane Arbus. Bart, I'd really appreciate a print of your masterwork. Me too. Yeah, me too.

Sorry, guys. No can do. Oh, come on, Bart. You're gonna make me a print, aren't you? Will you swear not to let another living soul get a copy of this photo? Okay. Crush your heart and hope to die. Yep. Stick a needle in your eye. Yep yep jam a dagger in your thigh yep eat a horse manure pie yep well okay look what i got whoa i gotta have a copy of that sorry oh come on well okay that's nelson's voice it is yeah i forgot that that is the dot i bald kid not nelson in that section and i'm so glad they got rid of the voice of the kid who was talking about Diane Arbus and Helmut Newton. Like, we heard that little kid voice in, I think, Bart the Genius, too. It's so grating. Yeah, yeah.

It reminds me of the work of Helmut Newton. Like, I hate it. And he's also, the design of the kid is the kid that Bart slaps in Bart the General. Oh, it is. Yeah, yeah. the kid is the kid that bart slaps and bart the general oh it is cut yeah yeah uh but i guess i mean uh i did a tiny bit of research on helman newton and diane arvis uh for this if you guys want to hear helman newton uh is passed away widely regarded as a great black and white photographer of the 60s into the 90s uh very famous for uh doing you know celebrity photographs for publications like Vogue, but also doing a lot of sexy stuff and a lot of nude photography.

Especially did a number of pictorials for Playboy and also did a lot of stuff involving fetish play and a lot of kink stuff that was new to the american eyes back then so he so when the one kid is like oh it's like helmet newton he he means a sexy photograph of a attractive lady meanwhile diane arbis from my understanding more of an avant-garde photographer who did do nudes but more took photos of like life and subjects that the world ignores like a an entire photo series about little people or weird looking kids you just see somewhere like she just takes these you know very candid photos of of folks that normally didn't get photographed by you know fancy magazines and so when the kid compares homer to the subject of a diane arbbus photo, he means a freak is what he's saying. Oh, so they're actually very smart references.

Yes. I don't know anything about the world of photography. I had to do about 30 minutes of research to understand this joke. There's a story in the comments. So there's a very famous Diane Arbus photo. It's of a little boy holding like a toy hand grenade and making like a crazy face. In an early interview for the show matt grating said bart's based in that little boy just just he was just being a little stinker

and people took him seriously yeah and uh he stopped telling that story uh it's fine you know eventually you got to stop pranking your interviewers but if you look up diane arbis grenade boy you'll find it it's quite a picture uh i gotta think that is a very high level joke yes yeah it uh this feels like the harvard boy showing off again why is bart so protective of the photo you think bart would want to stir up trouble with his spy camera yeah and embarrass his father like yeah much more innocent in season one that's true maybe he knows that maybe bart's getting you know he's he's enjoying the status of holding this photo that nobody else has even though they all want it maybe maybe it's that i uh and also like bart stopped participating in the photography club

right after this scene we never see that club ever again yeah but uh i also you know i talk about scenes that feel very matt graining uh the uh swear cross yard hope to die that whole thing the millhouse feels very very graining to me of just a uh observation about childhood and this uh very complicated promise you make to another boy especially like the the little pause millhouse has on eat a horse manure pie pretty pretty good but of course millhouse instantly breaks it and this is how all things go viral you you share with one person and then they make a copy and they make a copy there should have been an nda uh and uh also in the somebody should get fired for that blunder territory.

The copy machine on the front says five cents. But then when we see the coin slot, it says ten cents. They changed the price on the coin slot, but not the machine. Okay. Inflation. All right. That's acceptable. That's acceptable.

And so as the photo is being passed around, Bart then even gives it to his friend, Louis, which Louis is right. Milhouse is an equal friend to Bart at this point, as Louis is. Richard gets it as well, but Richard is drawn in like, he has like his teeth sticking out. He's drawn in a goofy way,

not how Richard is normally drawn. And then we see adults getting it. And I feel like if this was a later season, they would be people know not like guy with giant weird head that forehead guy yeah yeah he's very distracting or um 50s dad like uh who's the father of the bald kid whose skin is yellow in his next appearance which that's a real goof him up there but his like that den where the dad is like he's in a full suit sitting in his den smoking a pipe it's like this is you know this is madman right here this is not a 1990 living room and the fireplace is roaring yes yeah uh if he had a highball in his hand it would be complete i think to reference i just got for the first time that the

the large four-headed man he's al and he's talking to his friend mike so i think that's a gene and reese reference you're right i didn't i didn't get that until no that's got to be right i mean we've heard like kogan and waldarski so far on the show and those are so obvious the second you hear them you notice it but when a character is named al and is talking to mike you just go like yeah that's just those are names and we also i think for the only time ever see lovejoy's receptionist is she drops off his uh the photo to him and he's shocked like the sheep is strayed from my own flock uh and also burns gets it and he's uh i do love that our self-styled valentino that's a that's a good line but yes uh i also think it's interesting that the way marge finds

the photo uh one the way the photo is put up that makes it fit more with my original understanding that people are laughing at homer the joke is about Homer's body, especially because the one that Marge sees, there's an arrow pointing to his gut, and it's like, get ready for summer. Oh, yeah, like bathing suit season's coming or whatever. Yes, that's right. From Marge's famous aerobics class. I feel so bad for it.

This is back when they were like, yeah, of course Marge would do things outside of the house and have female friends. Yeah. Not after season one, they're like, oh, no, Marge has no life outside of the house and have female friends yeah not uh after season one they're like oh no march has no life march can't leave the home that's the joke she's trapped there uh but yes then uh in our next scene we have uh an important moment the first scene between homer and apu the majority of scenes apu has are with Homer like they and now they're best friends I mean as of season uh nine I guess they're like hey Apu how's it going no yeah in season nine and

ten Scully especially I think embraced the idea of like well we can do these Moe scenes where Homer shows up at the bar like hey Moe how's it going but if we want to do that with a second character Apu's who you go to and And it's just like Homer goes there. He's like, hey, I'm eating candy, Apu. What's going on? And yes, yeah, it's Apu. We all know it's a problem. We've been through this.

Yes, yeah. But yes, this is an important first meeting in this clip between Homer and Apu. Also, I feel this is the first joke they ever do with Apu. It's actually like a joke. One glaze and one scratch and win, please. You look familiar, sir. Are you on the television or something? Sorry, buddy. You got me confused with Fred Flintstone.

Boo? Liberty Bell? Another Liberty Bell! One more? I'm a millionaire! Come on, Liberty Bell. Please, please, please, please, please, please. No! That purple fruit thing. Where were you yesterday? Hey, hey! Looking good. What do you want, pal?

Hey, mister. Do-do-do-do-do, do-de-do-de-do-de-do. Well, a do-de-do-de-do to you too, pint-size. You got a lot of nutcases in here. Oh, sir, I've seen things you can't imagine. Hey, hey, hey! I've seen things you can't imagine. Hey, hey, hey! I hear you, buddy!

Oh, moon. Still got it. It's the only attention he wants. Yeah, I love that Homer, even in that scenario, with girls cheering at him, that probably never happens to him ever he's like still got it and uh yeah i what i think is the first time they did a joke with apu is just him saying i've seen things you wouldn't believe like that the the life of a convenience store clerk he's probably seen a lot of horrible things very true and a real wink to the audience there

with the like you got me confused with fred flintstone the women are very muppet like oh yes it's a problem like if you get the style wrong i've noticed they just become muppets they become drawn muppets yeah or like home movies character that's it yeah uh though i mean they got banging bodies but yeah their faces it's a weird it's a weird shot it is and uh well also like the doody do kid like i think i think when homer has his like arms on his hips and his feet kind of pointed out he looks like fred flintstone it almost feels like an extra joke to me and also the doody do kid is standing in front of the wall of chips that homer will jump into in crusty gets busted interesting and uh yeah the uh also the the guy with his uh butt crack hanging out jesus

that's a guy who will illegally install homer's cable in the future so they didn't let that design go to waste the butt crack the all valuable all important butt crack it's quite a but like in life on the fast lane they'd show jock's butt crack very briefly and it's much tinier than the crack on this guy though i guess we fully see bart's butt in this so this is this is a crack heavy episode of the show uh and so homer comes home he's even whistling the doody doo song to himself that's pretty fun this also you know the sequence of him coming home and not realizing it way funnier version of it done in maggie makes three that's exactly what i was thinking of like he doesn't get why people are like you know cheering him on this is rather abstract but

yes thank you i do enjoy working at the bowling alley. The package is little, but it's not about the money. But yes, Homer comes home and Marge is not happy. What is the meaning of this? Meaningless, Marge. Don't even attempt to find meaning in it. There's nothing between me and Princess Cashmere. Princess who? Hey, my photo.

Your photo? Uh-oh. Why, you little... Why, you big... Bart, go to your room. I'm out of here. Look, Marge, honey, baby, doll... Homer, I don't even want to look at you right now.

What are you saying, honey? But where will I sleep? My suggestion is for you to sleep in the filth you created. Would a motel be okay that's music oh i knew you'd come to your here if you have any soul left you'll need these i know i will i felt very j very Jim Brooks that line Yeah and like another Like the act break is him like crying

Yes But oh that music I know sad times We're anti Richard Gibb right Yes yeah He's the first composer on the season And he was fired for a reason Tone it down Richie

It's a lot yeah well and you like the joke is that homer turns around and gets you know thinks that marge is uh taking him back but she's really throwing a suitcase at him having the sound of like like it abruptly hitting it like plays it too hard it plays it too obvious and also just the pacing of that scene it the joke takes way too long for homer to think like oh she did take me back and then she throws something out that's right like he should turn around and immediately as he's turning around the suitcase hits him but he turns around it's like four or five seconds and then like he should see the suitcase coming yeah uh

it's uh the pacing is very swimmy yeah it especially because i feel like the photo going viral is like a big chunk of the episode and then this scene is paced so strangely it's a weird middle well the third act also has some problems too i think uh but uh i even though i think this episode's heart is in the right place but yeah it also is in general like most season one episodes they were figuring out the structure of what a Simpsons episode is as they wrote it. They didn't know it until they see it animated, really. But Homer looking sad at the camera was also used as an act break in the Christmas special, right? Yes. Yeah, that's true. They they want you to feel like, oh, poor Homer is sad like he's yeah the act break in the first act of the christmas special is homer

uh looking at uh how little he has and then ned's place and then staring at the ground yeah i mean also the christmas special like homer just a singer single tear rolling down his face outside the 99 cent store is like it's just played real you're just like oh this poor father but uh yes homer is kicked out i oh i do want to say mart should always strangle homer when he's about to strangle bart she should never let that happen that's true right i like this is the only time that i recall her strangling homer is there any other time boy i, I know Homer starts. Okay. When Bart burns down the Christmas tree and tells them that he did it, Homer strangles Bart and then Lisa joins in and kicking Bart. And then Marge grabs Homer from behind. And I think that's kind of like a strangling, but I

can't, it's not coming to me right now any other time marge strangled homer i had to look up where the line came from but it's actually next year blood feud homer strangles bart and then she goes you should be strangling yourself she's right she's right and he even like reaches to his throat yeah and like he's done way stupider things but this is i just the punishment does not fit the crime but i I do appreciate her struggling over her one. The attempt at child abuse is much worse than him dancing with Kashmir consensually. You know, our values were all screwed up in the 90s. That's just how it was.

The go-go 90s. Yes, Homer getting kicked out. Like, that's, I don't know. Marge could listen a little bit but i guess it's it's more the humiliation of it too you know like she she just got so embarrassed though when bart says hey my photo i feel like they should have investigated that more find out how this happened maybe even bart could give some important context of that was at a stag party and i took a picture of it march dad didn't do anything

march was like an inattentive mother because it was like uh mom bart's trying to take a picture of his butt get ready for dinner you two like no no it's like bart don't misuse a camera it's a very destructive tool if you misuse it please don't do that well they're not listening to her anyway though she told them to put on nice clothes before going to the uh rusty barnacle and then they wore the same clothes that is true lack of communication i didn't even notice that uh but yeah so we come back from the commercial break homer is at moe's drowning his sorrows it's it's ladies night to have another reference to like women in the world and how they're treated i like the design on the sad female barfly the the only

woman who would be caught dead at moe's i think we don't see a lot of sad female barfly the the only woman who would be caught dead at mose i think we don't see a lot of the female barfly anymore no yeah the well in the future they would say that uh there haven't been any ladies in his bar since 1987 oh yeah that's that's his office yes yeah or else there's a better ladies night joke of like, this ladies night is turning bitterly ironic, I believe. But, oh no, sorry, that's happy hours bitterly ironic. Apologies. So Homer is drowning his sorrows, and it's a good thing he's got friends like Barney.

What's the matter, Homer? Hottest ladies night in months, and you're not even checking out the action. Oh, Moe. My wife gave me the old heave-ho because of some lousy picture. What, this one? No! So, uh, where are you staying tonight, Homer?

Motel, I guess. Oh, no. No pal of mine is gonna stay in some dingy flop house. Ah. If you get hungry in the middle of the night, there's an open beer in the fridge. Look, Barney, see the row of tiny lights up there?

The middle one is my house. Someone must have left a porch light on. Hey, that's rough, pal. Hello, Marge. You left your damn porch light on. Barney! Home is not made of money, you know. Don't listen to him, oh homer you you're overwrought why don't you unwind a little bit party down the hall

you know this apartment complex caters to upscale young singles like me no barn i just want to crawl into bed. Suit yourself, Homer. Nighty-night. So, I just noticed in the mix, there's another Patsy Cline song playing in Moe's. Crazy. We heard I Fall to Pieces in Homer's Odyssey, and that was the thing about Moe's. Every time you saw it, there'd be

a new depressing song playing in the background. They quickly got rid of that. It's just very distracting and expensive for little reward. Even uh it's just very distracting and expensive for little uh reward even if it's clearly like a cover like a like a cover version of it still you have to pay money for that uh and it and it just plays the emotion too obviously like i'm crazy for being so lonely because homer's lonely i get it yeah and this apartment apparently was based on uh apartment that the director shared with jim reardon and animators in L.A. at the time.

So a real piece of shit apartment. Yes, yeah. Many a Bachelor has lived in an ugly apartment like that. I think, Bob, you saw my shameful way I lived in my full Bachelorhood. Oh, you did say don't tell anyone how I live. I did. I think I literally said that. I was like, this is a joke, but also don't. I'm referencing The Simpsons you did say don't tell anyone how i live i think i literally said i was like this is a joke but also don't i'm referencing the simpsons but also don't tell

anyone i i love the reveal when he turns the lights on it's like a where's waldo there's so much detail and just like trash everywhere and there's so many great details in there like the bear speakers that are just on the ugly ass shelf or the the table that's just one of those you know spools the cable spools yeah or also like there's a there's a humphrey bogart poster and a ferret faucet poster like the ferret faucet poster is there too yeah it's like that was the uh i don't know what the but the the famous poster is now that's in every college dorm room but in our time it was like scarface the scarface poster or like the matrix poster or whatever or the two girls kissing poster i thought it was the two girls kissing still that was the most recent viral poster i'd heard but in the 70s it was that

it was farrah fawcett sorry it was farrah fawcett every road guard and maybe einstein sticking out his tongue if you want to get crazy you want to get real wild and quirky and also like you put up uh you know like say a pulp fiction or a Fight Club poster to show how cool you were too. I had a Fight Club poster in my room. I had a Pink Floyd's The Wall poster that said, Mother, can I trust the government in my dorm room? Nice. Which is extremely on brand uh one of my most beloved posters was when i worked in an amc theater and you could get posters from work i called like i gotta get the the first kill bill poster and

like i obviously i could buy a kill bill poster if i wanted to i could easily afford it but i wanted to have the one that came from the movie theater. It felt extra special to me. And eventually I threw that out when I moved. I was like, I'm not putting up posters in my new place. Now I don't put up posters. I put up framed things. They're not posters.

It's nice. They're posters in frames. No, I don't see an actual traditional poster anywhere here. Well, I guess an Avengers thing behind you. It's framed. It's all art yes no yeah not like a movie poster one thing i noticed is like this is the rare like mean drunk barney he's usually pretty pretty pleasant as a drunk but he's like no i'm gonna call up your wife and yell at her yeah i think the burp it's so visceral too oh yeah like a lot of the the beer drinking in the the party scene the at the restaurant is also very it's a lot very guttural yeah his burps take on a little more of a cartoonish

tone they eventually find one burp to use for every character yeah yeah the in general it feels more like real the drinking here it feels like actual like drunk energy instead of the cartoonish drunks we see in later seasons. Yeah. I also think like Dan forgot how to do Barney's voice. Like he sounds wrong here. Like that's a bad deal. He doesn't he doesn't sound like Barney fully. I think they didn't.

I don't think they played back an episode for him to be like, oh, no, this is what Barney sounded like. Remember? He also says Marge. so he says it like my are differently than normal or something it it definitely caught my attention uh and one thing i noticed is that he goes to like a swinging 70s singles party there's like disco music playing and some are just like stares at the sky uh this or the ceiling rather on the fold-out couch this is a far more um active barney than uh than we're used to yeah and and i like the little detail of homer sleeping on the fold-out couch and using he's using one of the couch cushions as a pillow he doesn't have like a proper pillow

like that and the uh i wasn't their intention when they did this episode but you know in season three they would retcon it that homer and barney lived together before homer and marge moved in together so this kind of is homer moving back into his old apartment that's true hey also out of character for barney is that he keeps an open beer in the fridge like he would have drank that beer that should be consumed immediately yeah right like what yeah that's not on brand. There's also, like, a very weird and pointless scene after this where it's just like, when's dad coming home? Anyway, let's move on.

Yeah. Just like, we need to check in, I guess. I guess they wanted to show you that there was pain in the family. It feels like one of those, like, Jim Brooks, we need to feel how this is hurting the family kind of thing i don't recall anything like special like marge is like clearly feeling guilty or sad it's i mean it doesn't really i don't know what marge is feeling but then lisa just like i wonder when dad's coming home and i don't think bart says anything does he no okay which part should feel a little bad about this honestly like he caused this but yeah but his part in all this is just dropped at this point i was gonna say like they don't interrogate that at all like that scene could at least have been used for that purpose

and instead it's just kind of like more sad yeah time yeah and it's just like people are sad the kids are uncomfortable and like marge gives a look of like maybe i was too harsh or whatever like it's just it's weird it's weird well also the way they play things like homer being called into burns's office i'm used to him having such extreme reactions to that of just like screaming out loud seeing the normal reaction from her going like oh no it feels too underplayed and i think there's some joke about him not getting enough sleep because he's just like chugging coffee oh you're right but it's like super it's super underplayed like a lot of stuff in season one they like don't they don't play it up enough yeah i mean i missed

that entirely actually homer must have like kept his key card with him or whatever when he came home because he just goes back to work and he still has all his like work stuff uh yeah so this next scene with burns calling him into the office uh vd tweeted about this saying that this was the first scene with burns he had written he instantly fell in love with burns and wanted to write him all the time uh and he also says that from his first draft this scene with uh burns was uh completely unchanged so this was kept from his first draft uh burns at first choose at home are telling like is the family company our our research indicates that 50 of our power is used by women that's a great uh very subtle joke yeah i love that because because to

explain the joke women are 50 of the population and in that they use power as much as anyone else that they are 50 of the customers of a power plant just uh just to make it fully explained and like the cusp can the can the customers opt out of using power using electricity just like well no electricity for me a sexist works at that power plant yes yeah right that's uh the pains of privatization as we've all learned over the years. Woof, yeah. Maybe in 1990, you could choose your electricity provider. Yeah, sure.

Who knows? You know, I hear that people love the freedom of choosing their providers. Yeah. Nothing is more important than choice. If I were to lose my choice to go to one of five businesses, then I may as well move to Russia. And if that choice is on a confusing website, then so be it. Oh, God. That's even a better way to have choice. A website made

by the government? It's like the future. For more money than it's worth? Yeah. We're doing this at the end of a long primary season, guys, so to fully date this. Anyway, Burns is chewing him out with Smithers looking over his shoulder the whole time.

But then Smithers is dismissed and Burns reveals his true motive. Our research indicates that over 50% of our power is used by women. I will not have you offending my customers with your bloody shenanigans! It won't happen again, sir, I promise! May I get out of your sight now?

Just a second, Simpson. Smithers, would you leave the room for a minute? Yes, sir, I promise. May I get out of your sight now? Just a second, Simpson. Smithers, would you leave the room for a minute? Yes, sir. Simpson, I am by most measures a successful man. I have wealth and power beyond the dreams of you and your clock-punching ilk. And yet, I've led a solitary life. The fair sex remains a mystery to me. You seem to have a way with women, a certain... How shall I put it? Animal magnetism.

Help me, Simpson. Tell me your secret. Uh, Mr. Burns, in spite of what everybody thinks, I'm no lover boy. Simpson, I'm asking you nicely. I don't really know, sir. Simpson! Well, write him, dine him, bring him flowers, write him love poetry, sir.

Of course. It's simplicity itself. I won't forget this, Simpson. Now return to your work. And tell no one of what transpired here. I confuse this for a later scene in season two when Homer grows hair and Burns wants to know what his secret is for being so powerful. That's right. I mean, this is an important moment.

I think this is not the first time Burns has forgotten who Homer is, though that was an extra joke I realize now of Burns telling him, I won't forget this when this is the fourth time he's met Homer at this point and has forgotten him the setup here with Burns is that you could have assumed at this point if you're a viewer Burns is married or he has a wife or something for him then to say I have no knowledge of the fair sex I'm just alone you're just like oh okay and like now him being a stingy bachelor in his evil mansion is so core to burns like uh it's it's an important moment i think yeah you can't see him with a wife or a partner of any kind i don't know there's there's a lot to the scene but the thing that makes me laugh the most is the way he pronounces magnetism. I really just love Burns' old-fashioned way of talking. So on top of that, I'm picturing him as being a 100-year-old virgin.

I like how it all coalesces. And it does seem like Burns is a very well-established character because it's not like hearing him back, it's not like Lenny or Carl where you you're like that's not even the right person um yeah even the way he's acted is so is so solid yeah they they're so into burns now that they can even find this new dimension of him like showing a little vulnerability to homer of like homer i need your help like just him standing at the window and looking out like that that's a level It's surprising to see them play Burns at who originally started as like Mr. Meaty, the mean boss.

That was another good tweet I saw from VD when doing research was not about this episode, but just him saying VD remembers being in the room where they get back. That is the original design for Mr. Burns and Sam Simon's reaction. Like, no, no, this is all wrong. And he draws. in the room where they get back the design the original design for mr burns and sam simon's reaction like no no this is all wrong and he draws that's right vulture like guy right in the room like vd vd got to see that that sounded really cool but yes homer has a love that homer gives burns the absolutely most obvious uh things you'd say about how to uh date like find them dine them buy them flowers write them poetry which burns will write poetry and that's true that's or a mash note i guess as he calls it

but i also find it impossible to believe that no matter how evil he is that no one would want to marry a billionaire i feel pretty sure someone would want to uh but anyway yes homer then finally heads home there's an interesting design with him i like uh that i only picked up on this time his clothes are supposed to look rumpled like yeah but i i never caught that like his the end of his shirt cuffs are kind of wavy i guess but they don't really know how to do it with this art style i mean when we see him get kicked out later in season five he like grows like a thicker beard he's got a rope belt his pants are frayed his shirt is gray his clothes officially become tattered yeah his tattered clothes my tattered rags are caught on your coffee table yeah he mostly just looks like like you said just wavy

i i didn't get it on this viewing i feel like in the past i totally didn't pick up on it though there's a little moment where bart is like it's good to see you back. Like Homer's like, oh, thanks. Like it's, I guess that is him forgiving Bart for taking the picture. I suppose that's the most emotional closure we're going to get in that bit with Homer and Bart. I really love the way Lisa says, hi, daddy. Yeah.

I think I've talked about it before. I love like Homer and Lisa moments. You don't get a lot of those. I've always related to Lisa and like watching The Simpsons was something that i did specifically with my dad my dad is definitely not a homer simpson but i the parallels at least in the relationship like i enjoy so much about the simpsons so that moment is so good to me like the just the delivery of the line is so strong it's very sweet and uh we really don't hear lisa's perspective on this it'd be interesting if we did i think they probably would explore that because it's like a feminist episode or trying to grasp the feminist themes.

Yeah, that's true. But, you know, in a modern telling of this episode, I would have liked to seen a scene where perhaps like Lisa explains, you know, the importance of respecting sex workers and sex work is work kind of position. Yeah, that is definitely Lisa's role if you think about who lisa is as a character yeah like just to letting people know like well don't don't look at princess cashmere is dirty just because of the job she does like that we we don't we all use our bodies to earn money in a way like i can hear it but yes homer comes home and he even admits like i at least like that as a bad husband he admits that his apology is meaningless from the start like he's like i he doesn't know what he's apologizing for other than that he is alone he just wants to say the magic words to make the fight go away though the animation choice of like homer getting like a ring of stuff around

his mouth if he like drinks milk or drinks something yeah it's always distracting it shows he's still a slob even though he's not drinking from the carton yeah that's true but uh but yes why do we hear homer's uh important apology look i'm not drinking out of the carton come on mart please forgive I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Homer, you don't even know why you're apologizing. Yes, I do. Because I'm hungry. My clothes are smelly and I'm tired. I've been thinking, Homer. And you know what bothers me the most about this whole thing? You taught Bart a very bad lesson. Your boy idolizes you.

Oh, he does not. Yes, he does, Homer. And when he sees you treating women as objects, he's going to think that it's okay. You owe your son better than that, Homer. So what should I do, Marge? Well, I think you should take Bart to meet this exotic belly person. I want him to see that she's a real human being with real thoughts and real feelings i want bart to see you apologize for the way you treated her okay your wish is my command my do it i don't

think marge knows why she's bad in this uh this fight it's weird to be the lisa simpson talking about sex workers like he didn't treat her poorly at all you know like she she was doing her job and that's part of her job is men looking at her so what what lesson i guess the only thing to teach bart is that like you know you don't have to do this to be a man but sure that's that's the hang-up i have with marge here is like you know homer didn't treat her like an object he danced with her and didn't touch her and it is her job to be looked at yeah and she wasn't disgusted or reluctant she was like well this is my job get up here and dance with me she reached out to homer i was like hey you come on up here and dance yeah and she didn't go like you crossed the line or she's like hey get away from me it's not that homer i mean if this was like Homer, you know, touching her and then her saying, don't do that.

Like then there's a lesson to be learned there. Right. And also like what Princess Cashmere that day wasn't signing up for was photographs and Bart taking a photograph without permission. He broke the rule there. That's the problem. Yeah. Yeah. Like Bart violated the agreement and consent.

And now everyone's seen a picture of her yeah she hasn't approved of uh but i guess okay from marge's perspective i do agree with her idea of just the like if bart just sees this woman earlier in the episode bart says i don't know but that's my the other guy there's my pops he doesn't maybe see her as a person he's just like that's a sexy girl in a photo that's that's all she is to me so marge wanting bart to know who she is that makes some sense i can see that there's yeah there's a scene there i do feel like not to litigate this too much but i do feel like that the problem the problem is that homer didn't tell marge that he was going to a stag party but homer also didn't know he was going to a stag party or at least he knew he was going to a stag party but homer also didn't know he was going to a stag party or

at least he knew he was gonna be smoking and drinking but yeah entertainment was not on the menu as far as he knew exactly and this thing happened and he just sort of played along with it because it was just part of the fun and he didn't do anything inappropriate the the argument should have been like you should have told me this is the kind of party you're at but also they want to make him innocent in some ways yeah and make it so like well homer just caught up in the fun he didn't know he was going to go see a woman dance for him or whatever so the show is not like it's not it's just kind of like muddy you know this whole this whole fight well and marge is just so much of the sitcom battle axe wife a bit

in this scene of just like i'm mad and the husband who just has to go like well i'm sorry then like there's they it it feels like people are not investigating more why they're mad or anything i also love i love the line because it's supposed to be like a weighty line but even in this early part of the show it doesn't really work like your boy idolizes you yes no homer is bart's hero is that the premise of the show now yeah that is an odd choice i mean they play with that a little bit in the telltale head but like um maybe they play with it in this season a little but after this like bart is like disgusted by homer bart is horrified at the idea of growing up to be homer he despises homer like the only joy

he gets out of homer is like, humiliating him. And sometimes they have a touching moment, but it's for the sake of, like, a resolution to something. Lisa has more of a connection with Homer than Bart does, I feel like. As we know, the most intense feeling, positive Bart feels towards Homer is less shame.

Less shame. I think it's just her projecting what she thinks her family is, because she's clearly not paying much attention. Yeah, yeah, that's true. And if they wanted this to be like the message of the episode, we would see Bart like repeating the things Homer does or like being sexist or something. But we just remove Bart from the story once the picture is taken. think you know the plot reason why they want marge to in to force homer to take bart with him is because it's the of the comedy of the unintended consequence that marge wants bart to think of women to objectify women less and instead her instruction makes bart go to multiple strip clubs

he shouldn't be at at the age of 10 so i i like that comedy there uh also it's uh it's interesting to me in today's day and age like the idea of like yeah you don't know the name of this sex worker like these people are just you know they are object objectification in this sense does mean like they are an object to you this isn't a person this is just a a collection of body parts but now i think about like these days i see i see a lot of my timeline right now a lot of only fan accounts being promoted. I get so the opposite. Like those are about fully knowing who the sex worker is. And you're like, yes, I'm directly paying you for your services.

And you can like follow them on Twitter to see what they're doing. It's like there's more of a person there if you want to opt into that part of it. Yeah. if you want to opt into that part of it yeah at least if you're the person who pays for porn in the in this day and age which that is the ethical thing to do especially if you're you know to actually directly paying the people it's it's just like patreon it's the sims you know same situation and and i do think like you're getting someone to pay rather than get something for free because of that added personal connection it is it's just a reversal of the dynamic i think it's really interesting uh but so homer goes on a quest to find princess cashmere and a lot of these exteriors are based on actual strip clubs in hollywood at the time they drove around taking

pictures of the outside of strip clubs it's only for research only for research uh i think it's fitting the first one he goes to is an arabian nights themed place because that did fit with the character she was playing when Homer met her. I have to assume Homer like called Carl and he's like, where'd you hire her? Where'd you get her from? Then the next place they go to like Girl-esque is a weird pun name. I mean, it's a pun on burlesque. But yeah, I don't know if there's any more to that. There's a very negative transphobic direction to take that,

and I hope they don't mean it that way. I thought that this time, but they didn't really linger on it, so I just assumed like, oh, it sounds like burlesque. Yes. And naturally there will be women at a burlesque show, so maybe just a redundant name for an establishment like that. But yes, here's the clip of them searching for Princess Cashmere. Princess Cashmere? You must

mean April Flowers. She's walking over at the girl's house. See, I'm trying to teach my son here about treating women as objects. That's a good idea. But April's over at Foxy Boxing tonight. Just let me say that it is an honor to have Springfield's number one swinger here with us. Forget that.

I'm teaching my boy a lesson. Is he here or not? Try Mud City. We're going to try one more play. Stop there, lads. Mark! I said look at the floor. My favorite line in there is Homer saying,

I'm trying to teach my boy something about treating women like objects oh good idea yeah i think his area is getting a workout in this episode yeah he's uh it's it's the most he's had to do probably in the series to this point and i wanted to talk about the uh ye olde off ramp in so that's the next place he pulls into right yes yeah that's the final place which he calls marge to tell him he's going there which at least does set up plot wise why marge shows up at the end of this episode on the commentary it's funny that they're like wait why is marge here they they forgot that they did explain him yeah so i guess the joke in this i just noticed because i pulled up a gif of it is that um they pull into a handicapped spot which is just totally you i probably the first time i saw

that second thing is like i'm watching this on a bigger tv and i'm noticing a lot more like that they pull into a handicapped spot, which is just totally, probably the first time I saw that. Second thing is, I'm watching this on a bigger TV and I'm noticing a lot more fixes. So we talked about the Apu video effect and the telltale head. There's the old offer amp in and there's a sign that says what the show is. It's very illegible, but it's there.

That sign is not part of the animation. That sign is a video layer on top. If you watch it, the animation kind of dances under it, but the sign is like perfectly static. Oh, wow. And it's like, I feel like it was a fix or maybe there was a sign there before that you couldn't read or maybe they knew it was too small. So they tried to make the text bigger. But even in its final form, it is like impossible to read because there's 40 words on it. It's a Sapphire Lounge Reno style review starring Gulliver Dark with 23 of the world's most beautiful women on the screen taking up maybe like 5% of that 4x3 space.

You could never read that in time on a 15-inch television. No way. But yeah, watch it closely because the rest of the scene is kind of dancing under it. But it is just perfectly still in space there. And we could talk about Gulliver Dark because... Yeah, all right. Let's talk about it. I don't think we said this on the first time we did this. I don't remember.

But this is the only time a Tracy Ullman Show character crossed over into the Simpsons world. So Sam McMurray, who voices him in this episode, also played Gulliver Dark in the Tracy Ullman Show. And no one remembers any Tracy Ullman characters. this is one of them and uh there's like one sketch online on youtube someone uploaded of him like sort of uh pulling a very frumpy tracy allman character up on stage or being very bashful about it so okay so it's a lounge singer character in general yeah but i mean i guess uh tracy allman show was running concurrently with the simpsons at this time so maybe a savvy viewer could be like, I recognize him.

This is before the lawsuit that froze the waters. It was. And I think this character, this character design rather of Gulliver Dark figures into my favorite episode, Who Shot Mr. Burns. He is the singer of Senor Burns. Oh, wow. You're right. Really? They used it.

You're right. But it's not the same guy it's the same design and it's a uh you know uh cuban right i probably yeah it's probably a cuban guy but not this this like uh you know white lounge singer he's uh he's not white uh wow that uh i didn't know how real gulliver dark was and what they they should have pushed it harder he should have said that's right i'm gulliver dark it's me your favorite character but his name is there on the sign it's weird maybe they put that on the sign maybe the post-production too was they were like okay this actually will be gulliver dark not just a guy an unnamed guy who is similar to him maybe maybe it was a late decision to do

that and of course uh sam mcmurray plays him yeah yeah i want i want to talk a little about sam mcmurray too i mean he's he's great he's just a funny funny actor still still with us and still working at 68 years old and uh actually like right before he got cast on Tracy Ullman's show, he was in Raising Arizona. And he's so funny in that. Yeah, he rules in that. And in other favorite things of his, he did. He was in Freaks and Geeks as the Jewish kid's dad. He's so funny.

And also in Drop Dead Gorgeous, he's Kirstie Alley's husband in that, I believe. He's really funny there. I mean, he's great at playing a friendly like red nosed drunk that's kind of his his best characteristic and he did two voices before this in homer's odyssey he is like homer's weird co-worker that's just like grumble something at him yeah he's like everyone's he don't it's a busy in your house that's him and he's he's also like how about a nice cold duff yes he's the voice in the duff commercial according to imdb but i know i know he is the the weird friend who's like you know if your kids want

to see him laying around or eating or whatever no i i think you're right on both those and of course sam mcmurray is one of those like two feet from stardom kind of guys like not that he isn't famous and a well-respected actor i'm sure has a lot of money but he is uh like the most famous person on the tracy ullman show other than tracy ullman who did not get a regular voice on the simpsons and he he you know could look at dan and julie and think like i'm not a millionaire today because or a multi-billionaire but you guys are this is tough i i looked it up there was an av club interview with mcmurray from a few years ago for their uh they're great no longer being done i think random roles interview thing where they

just like kind of go through imdb and read off like oh here's a random thing you did like you never talk about this in interviews and with mcmurray they did ask him about playing the singer in this and uh he tells the story it sounds like he was he's finally getting over it but uh you see when the simpsons interstitial started there was another cartoon on there and mcmurray was cast on that not simpsons doctor something or other yes the psychiatry cartoon yeah and he said like i never did simpsons it uh really drives him crazy like he could have been on the show but it was dan and julie instead and in the interview uh he talks about you know he's kind of jealous but getting over it and he says uh quote so you know what are

you gonna do sure i wasn't exactly thrilled last time i saw matt graining was doing futurama he said just think you could have been homer simpson i was like yeah how about i throw you out the window so uh yeah sam mcmurray he's uh he's dealing with it well like i mean i think he does a great job i bet his homer would have been really good but actually to go back to the Benita Patilia story at the beginning, she wanted Dan to be Homer too. Like it was her pick because she said she knew he could do a ton of great voices. And so he'd be a good cast member on the cartoon. Gotta suck to be Sam McMurray sometimes. I think.

God, I would not get over that. I would so not get over that so not get over that i was almost the most iconic cartoon character of the last 30 years how does eric stoltz feel about all this oh yeah he the marty mcfly for uh two weeks the best two weeks of his life uh but yes they head inside the uh off ramp in and uh bart finally him and homer meet princess cashmere and they get to know her there she is hey princess it's me the guy from the snapshot oh oh hi places ladies this is places can i get just a little cooperation at showtime look i'm here because i want to apologize for treating you like an object. I also want my boy to find out that you're more than just a belly.

I want to meet the woman behind all the spangles and glitter and find out that she has thoughts and feelings, too. Oh, well, okay, but can we make it quick? Nice to meet you, ma'am. Could you tell him a little bit about yourself? Well, um, my real name's Jonna Tifton. My pet peeve is rude people. And my turn-ons include silk sheets and a warm fireplace.

Thank you very much, ma'am. We'll be on our way. They make a good point on commentary that Homer does not notice he's moving upwards as they're talking. And her bio is very much like a Playboy Playmate bio.

That's what I love. Yeah, it's so funny especially like silk sheets and warm warm fireplaces she totally the the sound of her voice makes it seem like oh god another one like yeah oh she's probably had a lot of uh former clients come up and be like hey what's going on oh god i uh you know maybe her the the reason that sounds like a playmate of the month the bio is like she's been writing in her head like oh if i can land that playboy deal i mean you know in 1990 enemy playmate of the month that is a rocket to superstar i think your career yeah yeah you'd be well i guess actually this is before jenny mccarthy and

pamela anderson but just a little just a little before and uh yeah maybe maybe homer is too distracted by her her showgirl outfit but uh i mean she's uh shauna tifton is uh she's doing great like she's one of the key roles in that uh that show i mean what's even happening at this yield off ramp in it's like the greatest show in town there's like 30 different showgirls that in like it has to be that theater is like dug into the ground because it's a one-story outside it's like pirates of the caribbean it's all underground and uh yes they start singing a song i could love a million girls as homer is hanging and uh cashmere is seemingly trying to kill him i think because she's she all she cares about is her job she is very uh career focused very professional yeah yes they sing the

randy newman song i could love a million girls i feel really bad for the klaski chupo artists who were tasked with drawing a bunch of different uh show girls dressed up as other like small world style nationalities oh this is a randy newman song uh yes that's uh in the credits it said i can love a million girls by randy newman sung by homer and uh by dan casalena sam mcmurray i can't believe that i thought they were making up their own fake lounge song i guess i never went that far in the credits to see if this was a real song i i didn't do more research on it but yes it is uh it's a real real song. He's singing about what he sees. Girls. He sees a girl from Finland.

He just saw her and then another one walked in. But yes, the song is interrupted by Homer's fall and Homer then recovers quite quickly. Get off my stage, fat boy. Hey, it's the guy

from the picture. Homer Simpson. Sorry, partner. I didn't recognize you at first. Ladies and gentlemen, it's an honor to have a real swinging cat with us tonight, Homer Simpson, party guy. Mr. Mitchell. Yo, I could love a million girls,

every girl a twin. Yeah, I could love a Chinese girl and a small fin. I could take a Deutschland chick, a girl with golden curls. In fact, I think that we could love about a million girls. girl in fact i think that we could love i love homer being late on the uh the piano guy's like giving him his cue yeah he has to hit it three times i love that yeah and homer's very proud of himself when he

hits it he's like oh yeah i know i know this yeah yeah i know also the uh yes the girls having to like walk in and out like this whole dance number feels like one of the most ambitious scenes in the series to date yeah like during the uh the musical like the part without lyrics sorry the words are failing me now but they're only walking around him with like the feathers and like fanning him and stuff like a bunch of different characters and like this is where they sort of have to uh figure out like the conflict again where it's like oh no bart's watching homer and he thinks this is cool but it's like it's the only time we really see that's having like that part comes in so late like it hits in the third act when marge brings it up it's like a possible problem uh yeah it well it feels very good of homer to actually notice like oh bart's looking at me in

a bit like he's learning the wrong lesson here but here's the thing homer is the star of this stage show it's it is cool yeah and like they're having fun with them it's not a bad thing he's just a fun performer yeah he is well i mean he is a party animal and he is acting like a swinger it's true though it. It's weird. I mean, also that again, that photo got so popular that everybody's like, uh, Springfield's number one swinger. Like it's quite the leap, I would say. Yeah.

There's a lot of this episode makes a lot of assumptions and a lot of go straight to Homer being for being laughed at to being popular so quickly it's just we talked about earlier it's so strange the uh this the randy newman song if you look up his album rag time that's where i could love a million girls comes from getting the vinyl now uh though not not performed by him performed by donald o'connor canceling my order yeah also homer survives that fall very well. They make a good comment on the thing. They're like, everyone sees a man fall like two stories and then down the stairs.

And they're just like, get that guy off stage. They should be freaking out and like leaving. Like, what's happening? Again, a more innocent time back then. And Burns and Smithers are on a double date with twins themselves they say like i i love a million girls every one a twin two of those twins are on a date with burns and smithers they're from the uh robert palmer video you're right yeah simply irresistible i see it as smithers was uh forced into a double date with burns here who's now like testing out homer's advice i guess

i guess he's i mean he is whining and dining them but but taking him out to this show i don't know this doesn't seem like the best date yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't say so uh though i don't know the showgirl thing this seems more like something smithers would actually like just the uh the pomp and circumstance of it like the the old-timey performance of it, I think Smithers would be into. It reminds me of the showgirl sequence from White Christmas. I don't know why that's my association. Just the whole theatrical nature of it. Which really desexualizes a lot of these sexy ladies in their costume.

I think a better Smithers joke, if they had figured him out more, would be for him to complain about how they're mangling this number or like, oh, she was so off on that last step or whatever. The timing, come on. Yeah. These costumes could have been way better. Yeah. That's a good rewrite there, Bob. Punching him up. Punching up 30-year- old scripts. But yes, Homer sees what Bart is seeing and he,

he knows he needs to change things with a big speech. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Stop the music. Quiet, please. I have something to say. Quiet.

You with the hair down in front. Oh no. He sunk even lower. I have something to say to all the sons out there. To all the boys, to all the men, to all of us. It's about women. And how they are not mere objects with curves that make us crazy. No.

They are our wives. They are our daughters, our sisters, our grandmas, our aunts, our nieces and nephews. Well, not our nephews. They are our wives. They are our daughters, our sisters, our grandmas, our aunts, our nieces and nephews. Well, not our nephews. They are our mothers. And you know something, folks? As ridiculous as this sounds, I would rather feel the sweet breath of my beautiful wife on the back of my neck as I sleep than stuff dollar bills into some stranger's G-string.

Am I wrong? or am i right oh i just love the guy who goes bless the wives bless the wives i just i genuinely enjoy this speech i i'm proud of him oh it's i i like it's written in a way that a stupid guy like Homer would stumble into a speech about the need to respect women so the next generation treats them better than his generation does. This feels like a relic of a different kind of era. And I think we might have commented on it on an earlier season one episode. But I feel like only until recently did people understand, oh no, you have to love your partner you're with. It's not just like, I can't get away. I can't wait to get away from the old ball and chain. Oh boy. Yikes. I think it's just like a recent invention. Like, you know what? Maybe

I'll marry someone I love. Yeah. You see a lot of like tweets about like, like if you ever go on like r slash relationships in the comments half the time we're like i don't know why people marry these people they obviously hate yes yeah sadly it still goes on i i feel like people marry a lot later now so they can figure themselves out a lot better yeah you're not you're not stuck with a person who just had uh you know the same locker room or the same like uh classroom as you the homeroom uh friend you know that well also like homer i think there's some good joke in homer saying like as ridiculous as it sounds i'd rather yeah yeah that's great it's like well

no that makes a lot of sense yeah i like that line i do like i like the nephews bit a lot yeah yeah well not our nephews he just he's just listing family members until he realizes no that doesn't that doesn't apply it's a good speech as written as somebody rambling like figuring out what he wants to say in the moment and then the gulliver exit exits the universe forever i was like you know my mom sounded pretty down i think i'll give her a call and then he goes off to become Cuban. He really, he discovered his roots, let's say. He joins Tito Puente's band and it all worked out.

But yes, I do have the final clip here of all of the men realizing their mistakes. And sexism is over after this. Thank God. My wife gets the cutest little thing right here when she smiles. This is my Susie. So cute. Bless the wife! Here's mine.

You know, my mom sounded a little down the other day. I better give her a call. March! All right, folks. Show's over. No more to see, folks. Come on. Only sick people want to see my folks kiss.

They got out of that episode real quick. Yeah. They cut out so suddenly after that. But I like, it feels like a very kid show thing for Bart to be like, you parents kissing. Yuck. Like that again makes it feel like this is a show written with a child audience almost in mind than an adult one there. You know, I said on the telltale head one and see, I said, oh oh there's not a moral to the story at the end of every episode but this speech is another of the yeah and the uh the title is inaccurate homer at

two nights out that's true john vd what are you doing man i think uh the end of homer's speech i think it was a rewrite because the mouth sink is all off and so and an improvement in the rewrite too i would bet yeah i did notice the sink was off a little bit though the animation is so rough at this time it could just be that it yeah it was the original lines but yeah well also there's a lot of times where princess cashmere or shauna distin will will make a noise but her mouth is not moving i think they added especially in her first dance in the episode. And Princess Kashmir, you see her around from time to time in the backgrounds. She was a part of the Homewreckers with Jacques.

Yeah, that's right. Which is an unearned place for her. I agree. She was doing her job. Yeah. As usual. I think she's the one who throws something at Jacques or something. I think she shoves him.

I think there's an implied relationship between them or something like that. And also, she had some fun nights with Apu, as we know from Lisa's pony. Oh, that's right. Wow, yeah. Briefly, she dances with Jacques in the Uncontinuity Do the Bartman music video. And she has the powder transform into Carl. That's right. The Harvey Fierstein Carl, not the Hank Azaria Carl.

Yes. Or the Harry Shearer Carl for the, oh, no, wait, no, he is Hank in this episode. Oh, no, he's Harry in this episode. That's right. He's in the Flanders voice. We figured it out. It's been a long recording. Yeah.

During a long week. And we really appreciate, Callie, that you could be here for this. Do you have any final thoughts yourself? I do. I said at the beginning that I liked this episode and it's been really cool to like critically look at it. I think that's one of my favorite things about being on this show is that I never really looked at The Simpsons critically. It is just something that is so beloved to me. But I will say that this was probably one of the first times I'd ever been introduced to this concept. My parents definitely didn't raise

me with antiquated values or anything. My mom was, her whole thing was like, if you want to get married, if you want to have kids, she was very, she wanted to be forward thinking with me. But to see something like this in media, this would have been one of the first times I was ever exposed to something like this. And I do think the Simpsons brand of feminism did inform at least a foundation for me. And so, yeah, I still like that speech. I stand by that. Yeah. I like the themes this episode plays with, even if it, you know, I think.

Even if it struggles narratively. It struggles narratively and it feels. Doesn't quite connect the dots that well. And a lot of threads fall. It has a lot of problems, but there are some... I think there's some good stuff in there. I think the 50% of women as customers joke is really good. I definitely, as a teenager, that was my big thing was that, you know, we're 50% of the population.

So there's seeds of of goodness in there and i i think for a first season episode as well for a first season of a show i like the i just like the heartwarming stuff in the simpsons even if it does get a little heavy-handed i yeah i was gonna say like this is like a big bummer run in season one but season one is much more melancholy and darker in like a sincere way so So we get life on the fast lane. And then this, let's back to back, like two vicious fights between Homer and Marge almost disrupt their marriage, like infidelity almost with Marge's case. And then, you know, broken promises with Homer.

And, you know, the idea that he could cheat on Marge, I guess, is part of this. And then the next one, Crepes of Wrath is, we already recorded it, by the way. It is a straight cold bummer, like stone cold bummer. It is just like three episodes in a row, just like sad, sad, sad. And then Krusty gets busted, which is fun. That is the light at the end of the tunnel of this dark time in Simpsons. I don't mean dark in like quality, but I do mean like in feel that you have. Yeah, I just like that they go there.

But man, like three in a row, what were people in 1990 thinking? Like, boy, this show is depressing the hell out of me. Definitely. Hey kids, could you lighten up a little moment?

Exactly. But, but I guess, yes. Thank you, Callie for, for taking the time to, to come back on the show.

Yes. Thank you for having me back again. And please let us know where we can find you online and support your work. Well, I like you guys mentioned at the beginning, I work at GameSpot.

I'm the reviews editor. So if you give a review, a click that directly helps me, but you can find me on Twitter at Inky Dojiko. I usually spell it out. I don't have to. I want to change it. I'm sorry.

But I will tweet a lot about Pokemon there. Sometimes you might see me liking political tweets, but being too afraid to retweet them. That's me. And GameSpot has a podcast as well, right? Yes. Oh my gosh. You're doing the plug better than I am. We have a podcast as well right yes oh my gosh you're doing the plug better than i am uh we have a podcast it's relatively new game spot after dark we talk about what we're playing the news uh but we're known for our tangents and i have a really fun time on that show i recorded it earlier today um it's up every friday basically on any podcast service you might have oh man we're your second podcast of the day boy thank, thank you. I appreciate that

even more. I, uh, you know, once you get rolling, it's hard to stop sometimes. So, um, I'm on number two too. Oh yeah. I'm taking it easy today with just one, just one three hour podcast, Henry lazy. Yeah. Thank you guys so much. Um, it's always a joy. So thanks again to Callie Plaggy for being on this show please check out all of her stuff if you want to check out more of our stuff and support the show and get some extra cool rewards please go to patreon.com slash talking simpsons and if you sign up at the five dollar level over there you'll get access to everything behind that five dollar paywall but also every episode one week at a time and at free of both talking simpsons and what a cartoon but

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a different animated feature film sometimes for over four and a half hours only for our premium patrons this month we just did spongebob squarepants the movie the original planned finale for the nickelodeon kids cartoon and we've done so many great ones before that and if you want to hear one of the ones you're missing out on you can hear the full version of the aladdin what a cartoon movie for free on our patreon learn all about that at patreon.com slash talking simpsons so as for me i've been one of your hosts bob mackie you can find me on twitter as bob servo my other podcast is retronauts it's a classic gaming podcast find that wherever you find podcasts but if you want to support Retronauts and get some extra stuff on top of that, please go to patreon.com slash retronauts. And if you sign up for $5 a month, you'll get two exclusive episodes that will only be on Patreon, two exclusive full length episodes every month just for patrons. And again, that is patreon.com slash retronauts. Henry, how about you? You can find me on Twitter at H-E-N-E-R-E-Y-G. All your updates in the Henry Gilbert world are there at your fingertips. Plus, if you're following me on Twitter,

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