Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - HOMЯ With Andrew Jupin

Episode Date: June 23, 2021

We welcome back Andrew Jupin from the awesome We Hate Movies podcast to talk about this crayon-fueled episode! After attending an animation festival, Homer for some reason learns he is stupid because a crayon is shoved into his brain. This leads him to a rollercoaster of emotions disproving divinity and pissing off all of his friends. It all leads to a tragic ending in a scattershot episode, so listen now to see how we feel about this powder blue piece of Simpsons history! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the new official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

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Hey, it's Henry Gilbert and you can't hate me. I'm your better. You're better! And who do we have on the line? Andrew Jupin. And today's episode is Homer. Animation is so great. It's way better than whatever the alternative is. Seems like animated shows are everywhere. Or were last year. Today's episode aired on January 7th, 2001.

And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh my god! Happy New Year 2001, Bobby! Castaway is number one in the box office still. The MMO RuneScape launches on personal computers. And this is Henry history here here but i do love it january 7th sadly the final original ecw event happened for that trailblazing pro wrestling company it was guilty as charged 2001 uh they ran out of money and shut down after that and i was very sad to see it go i'm not familiar

with ecw because they didn't have any video games as far as I know. Oh, they did? They did. They did have one that was just on the WWF Warzone engine, and they were really bad. There's a crappy one that's on the Dreamcast, but I love ECW. ECW.

ECW. Henry, lead away from the mic for that. You know what? This may shock both of you on the podcast. I have never seen Cast Away, but I've been listening to Griffin Newman's Blank Check podcast, and it made me realize I missed a ton of movies. And obviously we have Andrew on the show, movie aficionado, host of We Hate Movies. What is your Cast Away opinion, Andrew?

It's been a really long time since I've seen it. I have some sort of terrifying memories associated with the film but as the the movie itself i remember it being fine i i liked it at the time i mean you know it was a real like stunt kind of movie that you know tom hanks goes through such a physical transformation and and also the way you know you can imagine like, if I was stuck on an island, what happens if I have a toothache? That's one of the most horrifying parts of the movie. But it also is a very pre-9-11 kind of movie about a plane crash. It's shown in a way that would not be used.

And it's also actually a real big commercial for FedEx. That's true. It's also that. I had to mail something to FedEx. Sorry, it's not real big commercial for FedEx. That's true. It's also that. I had to mail something to FedEx. Sorry, it is not a great commercial for FedEx, I have to say. Well, you know, Tom Hanks is very dedicated to delivering stuff. He's a good FedEx employee. Someone ordered a volleyball.

They're never getting it. Never. Yeah, no, it was an early hit for dreamworks as well i believe i i oh yes and we'll be uh headed to shrek soon in this year or we were in the past oh no this is 2001 oh sorry i thought you meant we personally we've done a shrek in this simpsons timeline in the year 2001 but andrew i was curious if you you know in your teens heard of extreme championship wrestling in ecw because it was big in the tri-state area yes i 100 am familiar with ecw it was a thing where i want to say this isn't right but i have a memory maybe it is right i don't know of the like late night

but e entertainment television airing ecw not true but some sort of station cable station late at night where i came up definitely would play it all the time but it was always a weird like you never knew if you were going to get a whole match like i remember a lot of like highlight kind of things oh yeah so like i know what it is i knew some of the guys like taz came out of ECW. I remember a dude having a finisher move that was like something about a spider or something. Oh, yes. The tarantula.

That was Tajiri's move. Yes. Yes. Oh, wow. I believe it was Bravo. That was the cable station you were thinking of that was airing ECW. The funny thing was for me, I knew it was based in philadelphia but also did like a monthly show at the hammerstein ballroom in manhattan and all over you know philly pennsylvania new jersey and new york i could never go to any of those shows because i was living in

florida but it was it actually was hosted at like two in the morning i had to tape it on the state run cable channel in florida the sunshine network that i think like easy w is able to buy like very cheap tv time in florida and it just that added to the kitsch to me of like i i am taping this at two in the morning on channel 50 that never plays anything else i care about and here i'm watching uh the bloody chair swinging ecw uh where they do many things that um i would be like oh don't do that now no but uh you know it was a different time i'm about to post judge duty tapping your watch gif in this chat room here all right all right well uh well runescape i i have nothing to say about that i think we

already talked about it british people love it yes yeah and that's what's wrong i don't even know what it is it's one of the first mmo rpgs it was sort of in the uh back in the day with things like everquest and ultima online and it's still being played i believe there's like a modern version and a classic version i went to england to uh learn about it so when i was in the games press they paid the runescape paid for your one trip to England you've ever gotten to take. And it was a miserable trip. I got violently ill. Oh, no.

It's a long story. I blacked it all out. But on the show today, of course, Andrew Jupin of We Hate Movies, the fantastic podcast. Andrew, welcome back to the show. Thanks, guys. It's happy to be back literally talking Simpsons with you again. Yeah. And yeah, you guys, at the time people are listening to this, you just had your awesome frequency live show.

And you guys have been hitting it out of the park, you know, in this last year even. You changed everything up recording wise, but you've been like more productive than ever. You guys have put out so much great stuff. Thanks, man. Yeah. No, we somehow managed to be like busier during all of this last year when you know so many people were advising like take time for yourself and don't go fucking crazy during all of this and we were like you know what's a great idea let's come up with like three other shows that we're going to do i think it's been i think it's probably the only thing actually keeping us sane is doing the podcast work.

No, I agree. Taking time to yourself is also being left alone with your own thoughts, and that's dangerous. You want to be thinking about old things, old cartoons. One thing, as of this recording, Andrew, you folks have just started the miniseries Once in a Lifetime, which I know you've been talking about for a long time, and the most recent episode was Stalked by My Doctor. Very, very funny. I was a big fan of that. Oh, thanks, man. time and the most recent episode was stalked by my doctor very very funny i was a big fan of that oh thanks and then that was like a it was an idea for a show that we sort of like said kind of just as talking shit and then you know whenever you know seven years later we were like why don't

we actually just do that um what better way to start than with that crazy movie which i had never seen before i didn't know it was a series he stalked more than once there's maybe four of these movies with eric roberts i'm very excited to hope you revisit the the uh the quintology the trilogy i don't know how many there are i think i think it's a quadrilogy god damn it um yeah uh but yeah we will definitely go through more of them because as i learned on that episode in real time steve telling us that in the sequels he has multiple personalities and i gotta get there for that that's where you gotta go with that story uh that's like how every fast and furious has to go like no now they're now they're driving in a submarine like now it's outer space like everyone has to top wedding after wedding after wedding well and and i'm also happy to have the famous movie hater for one of the more hated Simpsons episodes, Homer, out there.

Is that right? More hated, huh? I don't like this one. I've not liked this one for a while. But now I dislike it for different reasons than I did. But listeners know I am a continuity junkie. It's true. I really hated when I was 18 and seeing this

homer having a crayon up his brain the entire life or at least for uh every since he was six i really hate that joke don't like it at all but uh yeah yeah and i think we've been kind of serves for a fun um dr hibbert joke though it's them kind of like winking at it, which I, yeah, I got a chuckle out of it this time around, I'll admit. I appreciate that joke, the cover up of the joke. I'm with Henry, though. I was a bit annoyed by the continuity tampering on this episode does, but now I'm annoyed by the storytelling. And we'll talk more about it as we get into it. But if they were going to make this episode about, you know it's a flowers for algernon parody it's actually a parody of the

movie based on flowers for algernon charlie i wish they would have just made it that instead it's a lot of things and i feel like only in the third act do we get the flowers for algernon stuff and the lisa sentimentality is kind of shoehorned in outside of that it's a bunch of kind of like disconnected parodies and his uh the story about homer does not even come in at the end of the first act the first act is very long and the end of the first act is like well the problem is homer needs money that's what the episode is about and then that is not what the episode's about it's not a clever mislead i just think it's a lot of padding in this episode they couldn't think of a way to make the flowers for aldrin on thing work for an entire uh episode length and you know i never saw the film charlie uh but i in school i was made to read flowers for algernon

and i mean i liked it it was a good was an it's an interesting story because you know it's not just about a um mentally deficient man who is then given smarts and then it starts to go away i what i really liked was that it was you know told in first person so it's yeah you know you're through the mind of this person who then slowly gets smarter and then as he's losing his mind like it it makes it even more terrifying you know him him realizing he's he's losing his mental capacity and and there's a million things that have been like, oh, this is my version of Flowers for Algernon. I think within two years of this episode coming out,

there was a pretty good Spider-Man story that was just like, what if the rhino did the Flowers for Algernon thing? And it's pretty good. It's a good little three-issue comic. I imagine that's much uh much less sympathetic though you know you'd be surprised you feel bad for the old dumb rhino guy he's oh wow okay and we must point out this episode won the emmy for outstanding animated program in

2001 and you know what uh there are worse episodes of this show and we've been pretty kind of season 12 so far but the other things nominated were much better than this. There is the Futurama episode, Amazon Women in the Mood, that was nominated, and also the King of the Hill episode, Chasing Bobby, which is a much better emotional episode, but also very funny in which Hank cries, is caught crying in a movie theater, and it's tied up for his feelings about his truck and his son, and it's very and also very funny that's that is seriously one of my all-time favorite it's one of the best ones too yeah i uh well what i definitely think if futurama had nominated instead that year luck of the fry rish which we just did a podcast about that is such the the the seven leaf clover

and connection with his brother thing that is also a real tear jerker like in both chasing bobby and fry rash it is more emotionally satisfying than this episode is which it tries to do uh well the other stuff it beat was as told by ginger some episode of that not familiar with the program and and power puff girls the beatles episode which was the insanely indulgent one where just every other line was a reference to the beatles a beatles song or album but it was a fun that sounds like i would have zero patience for that i should say i've been really envious of you guys uh you were posting a lot of stuff about um king of the hill recently and i was like really big into like the first half of that show and just kind of fell off. And I've always been sort of dancing around going back to it.

And I have to say this. It may shock you guys. Strap in. I've literally never seen an episode of Futurama. Gasp. Wow. Man. That is shocking.

For no reason other than I kind of just missed it when it started and then all of a sudden there was a huge fan base around it and i was like oh i clearly missed something but i've never seen it well unlike the simpsons there is a manageable amount of futurama to watch so you can get through it all if you want to start binging it and it is very good i mean you don't need us to tell you that. It's great. Yeah. Yeah. If you can at least set aside the time for binging the first, like, four seasons of it. And then see how you feel after that. If you're really into the characters. But, well, I think Futurama definitely.

And it's also funny that this has a couch gag of Futurama. And then it gets, like, fucked. This is the show that beat them. They even tell the story on the Futurama and then it gets like, this is the show that beat them at the, they even tell the story on the, on the Futurama commentary. Groening tells the story that he was sitting with the Futurama guys when Simpsons won and he got up from the table to go to sit with them.

And one more preamble thing. This episode is written by Al Jean, of course, who would run the show next year and forever. And we want to be nice to Al Jean. of course, who would run the show next year and forever. And, we want to be nice to Al Jean. Let's be honest. He loves doing parodies.

That's why he did the critic. He also loves Homer and Lisa bonding episodes. This is an Al Jean special. This is all the stuff he does the most. And it has a lot in common with some of the episodes he did, uh, as kind of like a temp worker while he was finding things to do and doing teen angel episodes like Simpson tide and Sherry Bobbins,

they are heavy on parody, but very, very light on like a logical story. And I think this is the same way where it just wall to wall parodies, but there's not a real interesting story to find. I think the critic is the same way. There's not a lot of strong critic plots, but a lot of good jokes and parodies.

Yeah. Yeah. I think the direct film parody is a good a lot of good jokes and parodies yeah yeah i think the direct film parody is a good like vehicle for funny jokes and some of the best simpsons are that like cape fear is one of the all-time best episodes and it is fully a film parody but doesn't always work you really gotta be firing all cylinders to to make it work things like itchy and scratchy land which is westworld and jurassic park and a few other things like terminator yeah that's also good that's great one of my favorite episodes and there are more well-rounded stories in those episodes you know i mean that was that

was the thing that i said last night as i re-watched this was i was like you know there's a lot of gags in this in this episode that made me laugh but like substance wise i had forgotten how kind of empty feeling the episode is like on a whole it's just not a lot here story-wise it's a really thin episode for that filled with like multiple scenes that feel just like you know homer the character is killing time to get to the next scene and i'm okay with frivolous jokes and it's fine i mean a lot of my favorite episodes are like the pta disbands which is just a bunch of silly jokes and the ending is kind of a screw you we turn the school into a jail and that's the problem it's solved it's over uh but with this episode it's

a bunch of silly jokes and then suddenly it's like no this is suddenly emotional and meaningful and this means a lot to lisa and you need to care about it and i don't really buy that at all for this episode yeah it feels a bit tacked on i i will say that my last preamble thing is that this is interesting on the DVD that, one, not only do you go, when you go onto the DVD for this episode, does it say, like, extras, Emmy winner episode. Like, they're very proud of it. And also, there's usually at least, like, one Easter egg per disc. And often it's, like, an extra hidden deleted scene you don't see in the normal deleted scenes ones. uh and also there's there's all there's usually at least like one easter egg per disc and often

it's like an extra hidden deleted scene you don't see in the normal deleted scenes ones and i thought i found that on the menu for this one and instead the easter egg is just the variety for your consideration ad they did to promote this one for the mas it's uh but also if you still got your dvds bust them out because this was the first time I watched the animated commentary for this one oh right it's on that disc yeah it's uh Mike B Anderson Chuck Sheets and Stephen Dean Moore uh they do animator commentary on it and honestly every episode should have that I wish it wasn't just for one episode or per disc usually but uh basically since it was smart the ones did, because it's like the first seven minutes, which are all cartoon jokes.

So it really fits for them. And the cool thing is they can just like pause a scene and draw on it. And there's a few secrets in there that are worth bringing up. One of my favorite things they talk about is just their general sense for storyboarding and they say like oh yeah when i storyboard i just draw like a pill head and a lumpy body and they're like there that's homer and here's a square box head and like triangles coming out that's bart and then he just hands it to his layout guys like here you fill in the characters but this is the posing for all everybody it was fun just seeing like oh this is the this is the posing for all everybody. It was fun just seeing like, oh, this is the Homer that Stephen Dean Moore draws all the time. A pill head, like featureless pill head over a lump of fat.

Just giving away all the secrets here. See, this is why I love coming on the show because I love The Simpsons. And you guys never fail to educate me about things that are existing within the world of The Simpsons I have no idea about. I didn't buy DVDs past season past season oh i got over here season 10 and like honestly like i'm kind of a failure when it comes to special features but that sounds really cool and now i'm like oh do i actually own any of those things this uh this last year has really made me appreciate special features and i have bobby's noticed i've bought a lot of physical media lately. There's a new bookcase in here.

Yes, yeah. Because I look at all these streaming services and I'm like, why isn't there a comment, the director's commentary that I know exists for movies or for The Simpsons for that matter. Why aren't they on Disney Plus? Why aren't they in all these places? Like a big one for me was seeing like oh here's roger rabbit not one and i know they made so many uh extras and i was like fine i'm just the blu-ray is six dollars because every place is getting rid of physical media that's true yeah uh even if me and bob even when we were to doing this is our job we were both buying the seasons we didn't even like

as much just because like these extras are pretty good. It's like six hours of podcasts with funny writers, basically. Also that, yeah. Yeah, my physical media budget has really blossomed. Let's put it that way, during the pandemic, yeah. But when I look at my giant collection of new DVDs, I think, well well that's the vacation i didn't take this last year it's a family i never saw uh but uh but i guess yeah the the couch well the couch gags a fry one the is fry from futurama the um chalkboard gag is network tv is not dead which definitely keys

into like early 2000s because everybody was saying like soprano sopranos went mainstream and everybody's saying like the sopranos and by extension all hbo shows are so much better than regular television which it was sopranos was a really good show i'm trying to look it up yeah it's like one of the best ever if not the so but this is also when uh reality tv was beginning to outpace uh everything else so things like survivor just started in uh the previous summer i believe so uh yeah i mean the new the new anxiety we'll see in this season actually is the the fear of reality television taking over scripted shows yeah you're right because it it's i i bet it was yeah it was those two things like reality is to reality tv is cheaper than us and gets the same ratings.

And meanwhile, we look like shit compared to an HBO show that has much better acting and can take bigger creative risks. The Simpsons will be right back. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You see, our new Net Zero Hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels and much more. Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, your home cozier, and your world brighter. Find our net zero hub at electricireland.ie. Henry Gilbert, welcoming you to the break. And's right I'm a doctor and thank you very much to Andrew Jupin for being our big time guest this week always awesome to have him on

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mentioned before so please check out that premium level at patreon.com slash talking simpsons but the episode itself begins with a a long bunch of animation jokes about what animation was in the year 2000 uh they're they're heading into the fucked up tune festival the effed up tune festival uh obviously a reference to spike and mike's sick and twisted animation festival though they apparently changed that name a while ago to just Spike and Mike's Festival of Animation. I think that fizzled out. So it ran from the late 70s to the early 2000s. And I think it fizzled out around then. And then Mike Judge picked up the torch.

And he had his own thing called The Animation Show. I don't know if anyone ever saw that. I saw the few years that it ran. It was great. See, Mike Judge's connection to Spike and Mike's's thing because like beavis and butthead sort of debuted there oh yeah every time for the longest time when i saw spike and mike in there i was like oh the mic is mike judge's no no it is not my it's actually uh mike gribble and dale gribble is named after mike gribble from that animation festival and yeah the mike judge uh

among many people like craig mccracken also got a big start there. Most Pixar shorts before Toy Story, like they debuted at those festivals or got, you know, big notoriety from them. Yeah, like basically every alt animator that had their own cartoon on Nickelodeon in the 90s or Cartoon Network, they started there. They debuted their shorts via Spike and Mike because there was no other outlet. Where would they play these things? I've never heard of this festival before. I think it was just a traveling festival it might have started out of austin i know it feels like in austin texas yeah for sure i just remember i never got to attend one of those but i know when i would go to comic conventions in the late 90s early 2000s

there would be basically a bootleg dvd of like it's all the spike and mike cartoons we got it right here the this area is filled with tons of like in jokes for the universe which i really love like there's a lance murdoch cartoon the happy little elves mcbain uh plus uh poochie and then they draw like veggie tails and the yellow submarine and like my neighbor totoro stuff it's it's so dense with detail and we started with marge's joke that i thought was very funny because uh everybody got an animated show based on the success of king of the hill king of the hill proved oh yeah primetime animation can work it can be a big hit 20 million people can watch your show it turns out the show has to be in the right spot and also very very good with someone like greg daniels running it so so many things got canceled right

as this was airing so like uh mission hill uh I think the Oblongs would briefly debut right after this and then get canceled. Baby Blues, Home Movies, weird things you've never heard of like Gary and Mike, Clerks, God the Devil and Bob, all of these things. Stressed Eric. Stressed Eric, yeah. And in August, Adult Swim would debut, August of this year. And half of the content was primetime shows that got canceled yes it was so great that they you'd get like six the six episodes that weren't shown because all of these networks wb was like yeah we're gonna pay the huge millions

millions of dollars for 13 episodes and then after two air they're just like we'll never air the rest of these we don't care that they were paid no one has really seen david spade's cartoon they're one that one episode aired of that's right we're still looking for sammy everybody me right oh my god i guess also marge's statement is a real in-joke for the writers and the animators to like oh yeah i knew all my friends sold these shows and now they got canceled instantly. And I will also say, I laugh at the word Japanimation. It almost feels fun and retro and it's like lameness now.

This is such a joke about 80s Japanese animation. This is not about the anime that was popular in the year 2000 in the United States, which was... It was sort of jarring hearing Japanimation. It had been so long since I'd heard that used ever that it was like, what did they just say? It's weird to hear Bart say Japanimation, but you're right, Henry. It's like a parody of 80s anime and at this point in history we were experiencing the american anime anime boom because things like pokemon and dragon ball z and sailor moon were really exploding on cartoon network in the wb and then like lots more dvds

were coming over so people were becoming more aware of it and that's why we're seeing it on the simpsons now that was i think maybe that was another thing that made me at 18 already like grist, like go like this episode because it felt like jokes that parents make about the damn anime their kids are watching, not jokes that people who watch anime make about anime. Damn cartoon doesn't make any sense. Yeah. That general one of like these Japanese cartoons don't make any sense. It just, that feels very condescending, especially like, you know, if you're on the outside of Dragon Ball Z, I suppose it doesn't make sense, but it actually is an incredibly convoluted story

that makes a ton of sense, but tells it from like A to B. And there's so much story information in Dragon Ball Z. Like in Dragon Ball Z, they have it make sense that he was an alien the whole time. They wouldn't just say like, oh, there was a crayon in goku's brain or whatever they had integrity on that show uh i do really like the davian goliath parody uh expertly animated they actually got

claymation in the show and a very dark joke about bombing a planned parenthood yes yeah pretty pretty surprising that that joke got in i will say jarring to the eye when animation style switches like this yeah um very weird because when they do the anime parody it's still kind of drawn enough like the rest of the world so it's fine but yeah just switching to the claymation whoo that was really something yeah jv and go bryan uh was very i guess i also i did bristle at it too in 18 because i didn't like that ned liked a show about blowing up planned parenthood that just didn't feel like ned to me like this this is when he becomes uh he occasionally does jokes about being a hard right Christian conservative instead of an incredibly meek, turn the other cheek Christian conservative. Which, you know, was the style at the time in the year 2000.

Don't get me wrong, but feels wrong for Ned. I don't know. But yeah, the Davy and Goliath one was by the Kyoto brothers who were like some of the best physical prop guys in hollywood like to this day like they uh they were famous for killer clowns from outer space they made that cult movie yeah hell yeah dude and and right after this they do if you guys have seen the the uh elf movie the the will ferrell that all the claymation stuff in that that looks exactly like a rankin bass claymation like that was the kyoto brothers too like and uh and the simpsons will do like in t's the 15th season christmas episode they'll do a california raisins bit and the kyoto brothers

do that as well so and i believe i do recall that yeah. I believe they also did the Nightmare Before Hanukkah on The Critic. You know what? No, that was Lauren McMullen's friends in that New York group. I forget who. No, you're right about that. I thought he said Kyoto Brothers, but you're right. Yeah, but I think if they said it before, I'm going to just refer back to McMullen telling us straight that they did that.

But yes, actually, I have the clip of, I call this clip Anime and Goliath. Man, that Princess Tempura is one heck of a transformazoid. Wait, I'm confused. Why was a wolf shooting a web? Cartoons don't have to make sense. He's right, you do. Daddy, are you sure it's okay for us to watch cartoons?

Mm-hmm, this one's fine and dandy, Roddy. It's approved by a council of praiseable Lutheran ministers. Whatcha making there, Gravy? It's a pipe bomb, Jabrius, for to blow up Planned Parenthood. I don't know, Gravy. I'm sick of your lack of faith. But, Gravy! Yay!

What did they see on screen when that exploded? Like, was there a pile of, like, blood on screen? Or did they cut away? I always wonder each done gone to heaven i think they must have not been pretty gory right because you know rod and todd famously afraid of cartoon blood oh that's raspberry jam uh then it must just cut away to something yeah i do have experience unfortunately with watching actual davy and goliath because you know uh when you're a kid in the late 80s early 90s you don't have the internet you don't have uh on-demand television

no there's no streaming if there's a cartoon on tv you'll watch it and the religious station would occasionally have davy and goliath and it was awful and it was made by the guy who made gumpy to pay his gumpy bills it's so so funny that art cloaky like even he knew it sucked he's like but i gotta these lutheran guys pay they pay on time so i'll just keep doing this crap that's why i think ned says presbylutheran so they're like yeah well if we said presbyterian or lutheran one or the other could get pissed at us so let's just combine them into a made-up thing yep yeah that's sort of like cushioning themselves there with that joke it is you're right, it is kind of unsettling to see this like weird Ned being fine with his bloodlust.

Did they do that a lot with him? Because we were going through, my wife and I, and we kind of got up to like 17. No, actually maybe into the 20s now that I think about it. And yeah, I don't recall much of like Ned transforming in ways like that, but it is just such an odd angle for him. I think it's because a lot of it is that the 90s were very secular. And, you know, at this point in history, George W. Bush was just elected. So we're learning a lot more about Christian fundamentalism that we didn't previously know about before because the dude is their president now. So I feel like we're gonna get a lot more of these jokes in uh this timeline from 2001 onwards yeah you know it's interesting

because i think for al gene he likes ned and he wants ned to be the sweet nice guy like a gene i've seen in multiple interviews say this thing of like i'd much rather be ned's neighbor than homers you know and that he sees ned as a as ultimately a good guy uh but i so even though he's the credit writer of this episode i think when ned gets like meaner and and hateful and telling his kids like you're gonna go to hell if you do something like that uh that feels more like the cruelty of the scully uh the other jerks around al gene who just like make a joke about ned hating uh his curly haired son or something i also uh that was an appearance by osmodear there how'd you feel how did 18 year old henry feel about that because uh osmodeor troy mcclure told

us it was a sign the show was declining you know uh i was okay with it because i was like well at least it's osmodear I actually probably would have been more pissed if they just drew the great gazoo by making it specifically Osmodear I was like you know that at least respects your own continuity but you are correct I should have been more mad because it is them waving the red flag in your face of like no this is the sign the show's bad now like the uh though also I I note this every time in this episode, but here's the first one. Cartoons don't have to make sense is essentially what Bart says to Lisa, or Lisa says to Bart in season five's Boy Scouts in the Hood,

when Bart complains that that's not how you tie a certain knot that way. And Lisa's like, ah, cartoons don't have to make sense. And Homer walks by. While he's already on the couch. So similar joke already but uh uh also on the japan animation bit they uh they mentioned that paul we did uh much of the animation of it he's a big anime fan in the simpsons group and he's one of their like top designers that at the time uh well meanwhile the director said that the transformation into the

pair of shoes walking away, nobody could get it right. So he just literally worked all weekend on drawing it himself and animating. A man's weekend went into that. You appreciate it. Wow. Also, yeah, when I looked at the timeline of Davey and Goliath cartoons, they were produced from like 61 to 73. But this came right before a 2004 there is a 2004 davey

and goliath reboot movie attempt called snowboard christmas oh which oh no and you can watch it on youtube right now they they rostify goliath 10 it sounds like it you know they're very similar and it's still very christian uh but they ride snowboards down a mountain and then learn that they were doing it in a way that upset god and we are totally forgetting that uh moral oral the adult swim show that was just for the first couple seasons it was just an on the nose davian goliath parody yeah i think that show murdered davian goliath as a thing that still exists. Wait, so the Lord God was upset at what?

Like their form on the slopes? That was the problem? You know, I think they weren't respecting their parents' wishes about snowboarding, I'll say. Oh, okay. I just scanned through it and they're like, oh, they snowboard and then they get trapped in a cave. And while they're trapped in the cave, that is when they reflect on God's will and his desire. It's when they go like, we were wrong about something. Oh, yeah. Look at this.

What? Davy and Goliath snowboard Christmas. It looks to be a grueling 59 minutes long. That's the first thing I thought excruciating. 45 minutes without commercials. Oh, boy. Yep. the first thing i thought excruciating 45 minutes without commercials oh boy yep uh but uh but then speaking of other jokes they've done before in season seven's the day the violence died they already joked about how hannah barbara characters all ripoffs of famous people but i do really like

the designs of yellow bellied yak uh and the others. And this Daws Butler style guy who's kind of on his last legs at these conventions. Yeah, poor Daws Butler. But I had to have this clip here because really, this is an animation podcast that happens right here.

Oh, Jesus. And then I created the voice of yellow-bellied yak. All I need is some courage. Courage, I tell ya. Excuse me, but isn't that voice very similar to the Cowardly Lion? Also, sir, your loudmouth

leopard is a ripoff of Jackie Gleason. Hamana, hamana, hamana, hamana, hamana. And Clotzy Cat sounds exactly like Jerry Lewis with the stealing and the lawsuit and the, oh, nice judge, don't hurt a person with the thing.

I mean, that is what I've said many times i i basically become comic book guy every time i say like this guy just ripped off that uh but they did 20 minutes of this podcast yes yeah i do appreciate that the cat is also dressed up like a ralph cramden bus driver when you're looking at it yeah just to make it even more even more clear i love that yeah uh though though obviously now at a comic convention if an 80 year old man showed up to say like hey i voiced jabberjaw i wouldn't shout in his face like you just stole that from curly from the three stooges like i'd be like thank you for your work sir you're you're great thank you well now speaking

of uh old references to hannah barbara things uh there's an itchy and scratchy cigarette ad that they said is inspired by the many flintstones winston cigarettes ads that happen and i think everyone has seen them at this point in history but in the early 2000s you could be the ultimate edgelord at any party by saying did you know this happened and then you could probably go on someone's computer load up kazaa and find it yeah yeah have you ever seen there was always great watching the funstones enjoying cigarettes it's great uh i love how old and they're all black and white they look hideous too but yeah it's also about being incredibly sexist those those old commercials. Oh, yes. Like, why don't we smoke while the wives do all the work? They sure work hard, don't they, Bond?

Yeah. Though this cigarette joke, they have to get so on the nose about it. They have to literally hack up lungs in it to make it clear that cigarettes are bad. It's not the most PC thing, but I did really laugh at this Rochester-style character appearing yes uh yes not the most pc certainly not the casting they do now uh but when they this is the same guy who showed up in the little vicky uh right but in both cases like oh wow yes holy shit dude you just blew my mind this unfortunately the the history of Hollywood is making African-American actors put on that kind of voice to play a butler. And it's a sad,

the joke is a reflection of a racist history of Hollywood. At least on the Jack Benny show, he was played by an actual black actor. It wasn't like Amos and Andy. Yeah. Now here's the question that I have about this, this Itch and Scratchy cigarette commercial. is this supposed to be a thing where it's a human being and then they animated in like in the world of the simpsons is it like a live action like the

like live act like a roger rabbit-esque situation or is it like are these cartoon characters somehow in the real world that was my super high thought last night watching this is like you know what oh what what what are they saying right here i don't think the writers thought it through that much but i like to think that this is just a live action actor that's superimposed into the footage or vice versa no i much i much prefer that it's it's hard for it to read that way when everything's animated but i like yeah it's kind of confusing i like that that it would look as hard for it to read that way when everything's animated but i like yeah it's kind of confusing i like that that it would look as good as it looked if you watch the like old

30s daffy duck ones where there's a very clear line between the live action person and daffy uh but uh yeah that that maybe would it was the real rochester actor who was doing that and yeah i also i do i did laugh at homer saying that because if they were like he's ready to punch somebody if a cat and mouse were kissing uh and uh then we get a joke about how mocap animation was going to replace real anime which like never happened like we just we just mentioned uh castaways zemeckis was in the mocap hole for about a decade right polar express beowulf dark time that's a dark time for his filmography it's so sad that like literally like 20 years of his movies are just we when we did back to the future part two when we saw all these like oh look at all these amazing

like special effect things he did that's that's the bad moment that we saw all these like oh look at all these amazing like special effect things he did that's that's the bad moment that's when he's like oh special effects can do lots of stuff huh what if and what if they did everything he's like if i can put forrest gump next to richard nixon then why can't i make tom hanks a child and any of these in a child tom hanks could play every character yeah tom hanks can talk to tom hanks uh this this mocap scene i find it kind of baffling i did at the time because it's well it's not funny but also what i don't like about it is homer is doing bits and people love them and i don't think there's a joke outside of it outside of people loving homer and the bits aren't i don't

it's like there's a brando bit he's doing a uh needeth and uh you know voice from the laugh-in yeah and that's it and i'm just like i i like if if this was like uh i was thinking of when homer did stand-up comedy at mr burns's party he was awful and everyone hated him and that was funny but in this one everyone loves homer i don't understand no they loved uh dancing homer the when he was the baseball mascot there that was him sort of getting getting out there uh but i think his his public performances have been not as well received more than they have been well received over the years also if homer's supposed to be so stupid in this episode this isn't being like no he kind of just has really good comedic timing and is actually like he's good he becomes as good an impressionist

as dan castellaneta is which is just like he just becomes dan castellaneta on stage instead of being like i know dan can play homer doing a bad job doing a voice like when in poochie when he goes like hey this is homer simpson say like he does it in this episode at the bank yeah yeah, yeah. And yeah, one last thing about this is that I found it very distracting because I know the dog is supposed to be like a Snoopy style dog, but it looks too much like Brian from Family Guy. And that's what threw me out of this.

You're right, he does. They do say Homer's little dance on the animated commentary. That's supposed to be a reference to the young Frankenstein putting on the Ritz dance that they do there. So that's supposed to be a reference to the young frankenstein uh putting on the ritz dance that uh they do there so that's nice but yeah i just yeah i see that i just don't like homer it also just doesn't feel right for simpsons to do like well the joke is he does uh the edith

ann voice and we all laugh at the recognition of that old lily tomlin impersonation and just like okay i especially this is getting ahead of ourselves but especially for an episode that later has jokes about tired jokes like yeah how different is homer going and that's the truth how different is that from saying is that your final answer yeah that's the same joke or like a sincere brando impression in 2001. Yes, yeah. But, you know, this mocap thing, at the time, they really didn't think it could. You know, there were mocap sellers out there just like, this is going to change animation. When we did the Shrek history, one of the first things I learned was like in 1996, when they tried to make Shrek the first time, Jeffrey Katzenberg was sold a bunch of bullshit by guys who were like no mocap can just do everything we're just gonna put some balls on Chris Farley and it'll look like a movie and after they got like five minutes of test animation Katzenberg was like this is shit

get out of here uh now and I mean you see things like the Planet of the Apes movies and and Gollum before that and there's there is really good motion capture but like the truth of motion capture is that while it is a great baseline and you can build around that it takes countless man hours by countless artists to make it truly great and to make it look good and i think the way this comedy does it is basically what non-animators think mocap is of like, well, once you put the balls on, it makes itself then, you know? Is there anywhere to see that Shrek footage, by the way? Have they ever released that anywhere? You know, you can find screenshots of it.

If you search Shrek test footage, you can see what original Shrek looks like because they put it in an art book. But even on the blu-rays they do not have like what the 96 shrek footage looked like i think if you search propeller head shrek that was the name of the original animation studio working on it that got got fired after that the only thing i like about homer being that entertaining is that bart says that dog's a riot because he does not think homer is being funny he thinks a dog on screen is being funny i did like that at least but and then also like homer walks into the men's room it's like kind of an easy joke i i feel like those people shouldn't let him in there with

that expensive equipment they say on the commentary that's an odd space for a men's room to be just right off stage it's also weird though because it was reminding me of like now over the last year we've had all these like and thank god it's not happened in anyone i've been in but like these like work meetings gone horribly awry by people leaving a zoom meeting with like their airpods still in and like going to the bathroom still on call like the most mortifying thing to have happen to you we are in a post-tubin world now and i think we're all a lot more careful i hope jeffrey tube that's right uh fortunately you know we've i think we've had not had any accidents like that on our thing but uh i and my my husband is in a lot

of those zoom meetings for work a bunch but yeah i haven't heard any fun spicy stories they mostly just been like uh how to best leave on a youtube video that's uh that plays on your computer to make it look like your computer is active like that but yes homer is so impressed by this motion capture animation he must tell his friends all about it that motion captured suit is just what this country needs. Just think of all the hilarious motions that are going uncaptured. Like this. See? Now wouldn't you love to see that move performed by a cartoon possum? And a possum capering around like that would be a smash hit.

That would be the world's funniest marsupial. You're right. That suit dismo could be worth billions and i'm gonna get a piece of the action so does he still work here or what homer so barely works at the office that even carl now is questioning what was the episode where bart says do you even have a job anymore oh that's uh alone, Natural Diddly. Okay, last season. Yeah, that's my favorite when he says, do you even have a job anymore? He's like, do you even go to work anymore?

I think it's pretty obvious I don't. At least they're rubbing your face in it in a funny way. They don't care. I forgot in this episode, it's also about the dot-com crash of the year 2000 yeah and it's such a minor part of this episode that could have been a much bigger episode i think they'll do it later with the uh the angry dad episode in which uh bart creates a web cartoon and that's also about the dot-com crash yeah yeah which oh yeah yeah yeah which the simpsons uh producers are writing from experience from having having worked on those things of like,

oh, no, this will make you a billionaire. Just make a Flash cartoon over six months. Then it all just crashed immediately. It seems like they could have had a much more interesting episode if they just pursued the path of this motion capture company, you know, instead of the way it goes with the algernon stuff because i feel like that whole pool there's so much to pull out of there um and like he has he has done hollywood-ish things before right because i feel like this is this is post uh that mel gibson

episode oh yeah yeah you know so he's dabbled in the entertainment industry already of course that's true homer has multiple executive producer credits at this call up ron howard uh yeah i know instead it ends up in the homer needs money cul-de-sac this uh this story and an episode where homer just is the mocap star of an animated film or whatever and it falls apart like yeah that that to me does feel more interesting than just flowers for algernon but i guess well if we're going to if you're going to pitch that to aljean you have to think of a movie that it is like so what movie about making a movie would it be and it better be at least 30 years old yeah at least 30 it had to come out in like 1970 uh but uh but i do i don't know about that but

if the simpsons is a parody of the player that would kind of be something oh i like that industry movies that'd be that'd be something i bet in about a couple years they'll make a mank parody i bet you that uh mank yeah mank more like stank i do like homer dancing i do like homer doing a hilarious action and then saying wouldn't it be funny to see a cartoon do that thing? That was good. But also, I kind of like the joke about the bad connective tissue this is because Homer has to go from being at the animation festival to buying the stock so he can run out of money. So you need this scene where he decides to, that he just on a dime has to, after Lenny says, Lenny and Carl agree that a possum would be funny. He's like, you're right.

I'm going to put all my money in this place uh yes this is for real the fourth episode in season 12 and we are not halfway through it of homer spending all of the family money he did it in homer versus dignity he did it in a computer wore meniscus and he did it in the great money caper oh my god so this is the fourth one in season 12. Like, you would think if you're in the writer's room, like, guys, we just did Homer's out of money. Let's give something else can make him get medical tests. He doesn't have to run out of money, right? But no, he does.

He does. There's an okay little bit of homer again with his voices man he's just as a voice guy this at the bank big uh faking committing bank fraud really well and anytime uh any character does an impression of marge i'm a big fan that is great yes yeah i like to homer can make the voice of any woman for this this guy doesn't know who marge is but he has to do a marge impression for it uh and it's kind of uh it's unsettling though i mean because like the marge thing is like a homer doing marge and when he's doing the boy it's just like a completely different voice and it chilled me to the bones hearing that sound come out of an animated homer simpson mouth

it's a weird voice that is dan castaneda doing it too no it is it's like it is like a village of the damned kind of scary child like daddy like and it's like vaguely like like british light almost yeah i i love how he says like at least come for yourself like that that's sweet and then homer briefly thinks it's all about getting candy yes also and i'm a fan of this repetition another use of so long suckers i do this is the sucker era of homer saying calling everybody a sucker before his plan is fully executed running away saying so long suckers is great and so uh yes in a tribute to how everything is about this the dot-com bubble he goes to ipo fridays to uh buy his thing which again this is not too

different from the financial panther bit from before and homer handing money to somebody uh the broker it's very funny on the commentary they say that the broker is based on character designer for the show dave bastion and then the's like, how dare you draw another friend of yours into this show? They hate it. It's so bad. But funnily enough, this was his last credited episode on The Simpsons and he'd go over to Futurama after this.

A traitor? Yeah. Bastian's most recent credits are on disenchantment. So he's in that Futurama to disenchantment pipeline. Also, let's talk about a joke that isama to disenchantment pipeline also let's talk about a joke that is similar to another previous joke when homer imagines being rich how different is this from what if i robbed the quickie bar oh that's right uh i like the one if i robbed the quickie mart thing because when we cut back to him he's already left yes i i do like

time passing in that joke is one of the all timtimers. Marge is go-go dancing. I like that too. This one, I laughed at. It becomes a King Kong parody, but King Kong is wearing a money top hat and is holding cash in his hands. King Kong-sized cash in his hands as he screams. That is a very funny joke. Homer is saying, you heard the monkey. Take the trade.

That is good. But the monkey didn't say anything. He screamed. He's like, did you hear the scream of the monkey in my head take the trade that's fun you know monkeys and comedy it's hard to mess up it's uh then we get a kind of corny joke about homer homer should say woohoo he shouldn't say yahoo just for a joke to be like yahoo makes as much money but it does lead to a joke about calling fox crap do i and i haven't watched a lot of newer episodes but i really wonder if they're as cavalier about disney plus jokes or disney jokes because in this era they are all about making fun of fox constantly and i i don't think there is uh you know gun i think

they're more gun shy about disney jokes now you know what i think they are a little lighter on it i do think i've i've watched a few of the newer ones and like when they make fun of jj abrams they still are like well jj abrams does make really good movies though but that is when abrams is a guest on the show but like i guess that in general part of them being in the disney system is that they like when they make fun when they are going to do a pastiche of avengers movies the russo brothers just appear as guests and kevin feige appears as a guest so help me either you gotta get is that a thing that happened that really it is yes yeah that really happened oh no i i don't think they would call disney crap either and i feel like the most subversive humor that came out of the Disney acquiring Fox thing for the Simpsons at least was just the tire joke of can you believe it can you

believe Marge is a Disney princess now or whatever that's that they ran with that for far too long but that's as subversive as they got I think most of their jokes are about how Homer is like a big suck up and loves being part of Disney like those are the the his point of jokes like i definitely don't think they're gonna do a joke about how bob eiger is in prison like they did of rupert murdoch in prison like i don't think i don't think bob eiger is gonna walk into a room and say billionaire tyrant bob eiger like he's that's not his personal brand though maybe that's a difference in eras of like rupert murdoch giant piece of shit But he also is not from the PR fueled era. He's like, yeah, everybody hates me because I'm a giant piece of shit.

I don't care. Like Bob Iger is very much about like, no, I have a brand to maintain. I'm Bob Iger. Not that I hate to compliment Rupert Murdoch in any way. But yeah, I think you're right, Bob. I was thinking the same thing I don't think they'd take this kind of swing at Disney they wouldn't call Disney crap on an episode now but yes Homer is feeling pretty good on his stocks for automated stock prices

please state the company name animotion animotion up one and one half. Yahoo! Yahoo, up six and a quarter. What is this crap? Fox Broadcasting, down eight. Sleep tight, my beloved. You're my ticket out of this hellhole. Homer! Sorry, our ticket out of this hellhole. Turning to the stock market, Animotion is up an eighth. Yes! Our ticket out of this hellhole.

Turning to the stock market, Animocean is up an eighth. Yes. After plunging 75 points this morning. Oh, I hope plunging means up and 75 means 200. The firm declared super duper bankruptcy, which is terrible news for the company's only stockholder,

Homer Simpson. Oh! I love that file photo. His thumbs are up. Like, yeah. Oh,holder, Homer Simpson. I love that file photo. His thumbs are up. Like, yeah. That's so great. I love that. Yeah.

So, yeah. And I do. I still really love this joke. If Homer's the only stockholder, isn't he the president of the company? Yeah. That's what I was just thinking, right? Like, what are we doing here? I think he says, yeah, 500 shares is what he wants to buy.

I guess. right like what are we doing here i think he says what do you have 500 shares is what he wants yeah i guess uh i i mean i also just love his statement it is a funny line like i hope plunging means up and soap 75 means 200 that's a good joke but yeah that uh that homer also again this episode the animation bits are all very funny but this episode could begin in minute eight if this episode began with homer just ringing a cowbell to say we're broke yeah that would work like that can work from second one of an episode you can just assume like yeah they're broke homer's stupid like and it is a return to an older device from the older years in that there's a family meeting about uh money which i guess you know that is aljean's like traditionalism like he's like yeah we're going back to season three and four where they have a meeting about money like family meeting about money that screams classic but i guess it's a twist on that because there's no real discussion

it turns about it to a discussion about lisa hawking the syrup yeah yeah you're right march's dry waffles yeah i i also really like uh the cruelness of of Homer's joke that he very clearly is like, when I get rich, I am abandoning my family. Though if an episode's about how Homer cares about his family later, that's a real dark place to go for an episode that makes you want to care about Homer and his family. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You see, our new Net Zero Hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels and much more. Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, your home cozier and your world brighter find our net zero hub at

electricireland.ie but yes homer rings that cowbell it is a reference to the simpsons writers room cowbell that is rung to announce that lunch has arrived to this very day and we've we've spoken to at least one cowbell ringer as a guest on this podcast to go go back and listen to our ones with uh comedy writer and performer kate raft one of earliest jobs was being in colliewood was being a production assistant for the simpsons writers for a couple years made those lunch orders and rang that lunch bell for all the the hungry writers to have their like uh mike's uh mike's island subs or whatever carby carby food and uh this act is very long and you know what i mean a lot of first simpsons acts are unrelated set pieces that lead to the plot my issue again is that this does not

lead to the story uh and we don't get the story until i don't know like 12 or 13 minutes in i feel i yeah you know what holmer should be smart at the end of act one if that's what we're doing yeah and we don't get the story until, I don't know, like 12 or 13 minutes in, I feel. Yeah, you know what? Homer should be smart at the end of Act 1 if that's what we're doing. Yeah, yeah. Or at least the crayon should be discovered at the end of Act 1. And that could be the act break. Yeah. But, you know, I do like jokes that Marge is secretly very judgy of Lisa being a vegetarian.

Anytime a joke comes out about Lisa going like, Marge is feeling like Lisa is having a phase and thinks it's stupid it's i mean it's not nice but it gives a character detail to march that she doesn't normally have totally yeah it's it's a kind of like a oh she has those kinds of thoughts about her own children interesting uh i do like that what i i don't like that was what happens right before this and it's my thing of like just being someone who is so like the simpsons are a thing that existed like in the 90s and so like you know when i hear technology and like getting closer to present day happen i cringe and it happens here when he rings the bell and it falls apart and he goes oh damn you

eBay and just like the thought of Homer Simpson like bidding for things on eBay just really kind of made me clench for a second yeah yeah it's it's a very 2001 thing that a joke can end with the word eBay it's just like yeah funny right we bought things on eBay that sucked yeah yeah you're right it takes it does take you out of the i wish the simpsons always was set in the year 1992 yeah yeah but yeah i totally agree if that makes me more of old man yells at cloud i don't care that's like how i'll always feel about the show it is weird to see characters now with smartphones and ipads but i mean and taking ubers and whatnot but yeah if bart wasn't playing a video game to like stream online like he wouldn't he wouldn't be a kid of the year 2020 so i i can understand

that from a storytelling perspective but screw it just have it be a period show like that do things that make me feel comfortable exactly me yeah me i'm your i mean thinking in terms of like the continuity and everything, you guys must go apeshit every time they redo Marge and Homer's origin. Yeah, I mean, it just happened. And we're revisiting season two currently. And I forget if we've done it in this timeline or will do it, but the way we was is their 70s flashback episode.

At this point, I'll be 39, or i think i am 39 now when this episode comes out that's homer's age so canonically homer was born in 82 and graduated from high school in 2000 or 2001 yeah and that's what the flashback would be yeah currently yeah instead of 1974 for his high school year it'd be the year 2000 for his senior year yeah no i don't i don't well i mean look if this is just this is all in general saying like i don't like how time moves forward that's really the the main issue here is mortality yeah i also just hate mortality in general yeah uh so uh yes the family is broke again which is also forgotten in three minutes like once homer gets that crayon out of his brain

they're not broke anymore there's no reference to it the fact that he ran there isn't even a line of like i'm so glad that my new smartness got me the money to have us not be broke anymore like i think he got paid for solving all those rubik's cubes and that solved the problem i mean now that that is a that's a youtube channel now that should be homer starts a YouTube channel of just solving a Rubik's Cube like in a minute. That'll be an episode in another like year and a half. So we come back with Homer first failing to convince Marge to rent out her uterus, which the scene isn't that different from the Pin Pals episode of Homer trying to charge Marge $500 to have sex.

I don't have that kind of money for sex. Uterus, not uter you. Thumbs up on that. Yeah, that's a good line. trying to charge march 500 to have sex i don't have that kind of money for sex uh uterus not uter you uh thumbs up on that yeah that's a good line that's a good joke and uh and so then homer heads to the bar to drink his troubles away and he learns about another way to make fast money which again that is the entire plot of homer versus dignity is his attempt to find fast money that's exactly going i need money uh and then comes another joke that they've done before uh barney informs homer of a quick way to make money to do medical research but okay first off this joke was done in season four's

lisa beauty queen where homer needs to sell his blimp ride ticket barney gives him 250 bucks for it he asked where do you get the money like medical experiments now i stopped testing on animals guys like me can really pay off oh my god you're right and and then he turns around and reveals that his back of his head is shaved and there's wires coming out of it i forgot there's such a similar joke okay it's it is the same joke in this case the reveal is that he has ears growing on his chest. Ears that can hear also. When they wrote Lisa the Beauty Queen in 1991 or whatever, they did not grow an ear on a mouse yet. I think that was like 1996.

You're right. They updated the joke. They're catching up on medical research. It's a reused joke, but I i did like mo asking uh clarifying what chewing stuff meant yeah it's like oh okay yeah that is good that's good uh but though they also they're drawing him like drunk barney but he's got a coffee mug in his hand it's like pick pick your lane yeah that's right i forgot like he's in moe's i guess he's drinking coffee in moe's that's why he relapsed he's drinking coffee in his bar like i'm saying if you're

gonna go through the 12 steps you don't go back to the bar coffee and bars well maybe he's trying to pull uh sam malone though oh that's true that was sam malone's whole thing on cheers was he was a recovering alcoholic in his bar drinking coffee you know what you're right it worked for sam alone so it'll it can work for barney from my, coffee in bars is for people who are going to drive home drunk. Right, right. It wakes you up. Not that I have done that, but I've seen people just like, oh, I've had eight beers. I'll have some coffee before I go.

Or it's the other way around, Bob. If you are like the first one at the bar when the bartender is like technically opening at 11 but he's really just getting stuff together but you come in anyway and you're having the coffee to start the day at the bar that i have done oh wow i'll put that out there that's a saint patty's day ritual you know it never makes for a great day uh you know that's also a thing that's like lost in media now nobody does those jokes about you know get or say like, give this man some coffee. Wake him up. You don't see that anymore.

No one gets slapped around enough either. Yeah, you don't do. I thought everybody in bars like slapped each other. The thing you do is you slap a drunk. But yeah, so Homer, after seeing those ears, is not deterred. He's going to also take some medical tests at screaming monkey medical research center and these are the same scientists from brother's little helper and henry these scenes are remarkably similar to the springfield files in which homer does a bunch of medical tests yep

they it is exactly the same as springfield files another al gene written one it really is uh well i guess actually reed harrison's a credit writer on that one right gene it was a head showrunner on it and yeah these i mean as far as jokes of like three jokes in a row about homer doing medical tests at least i like the blind one that one gave me a really good laugh like uh just hearing homer screaming and then also the idea of like who wants a pill to make somebody to make you blind we'll have marketing worry about that that's a good joke yeah i like that that's a good one yeah yeah yeah just the the total coldness of these you know scientists you know lab folks is so great that's yeah these are these are great like late 90s scientists too like they are all business

scientists they're not you know fun scientists like from 60s B movies, like say the inventor of the monorail was. These are business scientists who think marketing first for what they're doing. It's also a nice thing because like, I mean, it happened a few years before this, of course, but like adding on to, I mean, it still happens nowadays, but like the total like tidal wave of medical commercials and products that are out there with like dumb names. And it's like, what does this thing do? Well, it doesn't matter. We'll let the marketing people fix that in the commercial that they're going to see for whatever pill we're hawking. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, and the mouse is also a reference to Algernon because a mouse is tested first by it. And so he's ahead of charlie in the story and then that mouse loses his intelligence first and that's how charlie knows he's going to as well the mouse is the titular aldrin yes that is right right yeah also this was the era of homeless person jokes on simpsons they're saying like he's a little too he's a little too well fed to be a wino is uh it's quite a quite an identification of homer but all right so here we are the time of the big reveal when they try to figure out how homer is stupid somehow as has never happened before in his many brain scans it is clear homer has a crayon lodged in his brain well when we get to the hibbert line that makes me

buy it because they knew someone would complain and the hibbert line that makes me buy it because they knew someone would complain and if hibbert comes out and he just like materializes in the room yeah to explain things uh but it's okay but it's not true i've so the entire time we've done this podcast for six years jesus every time hibbert or somebody else has a brain scan a homer i'm like not one hand is touching it nothing is covering it obviously i know it is a cover-up for just them admitting like yeah we've shown his brain a million times but for example if you were to pull up seasons eight the homer they fall when he is presenting homer with his homer simpson syndrome of a brain race surrounded

by fluid no finger is over it it is a clear shot of his brain from the angle where cran is visible and it just bugs me all right i just i know it's a joke i know all right how do you feel about on futurama there's a late episode where bender falls on his back and you can't get up and people tell him you fall on your back plenty of times and he says all those times i was slightly on my side uh you know what i didn't have a measuring stick in those moments to see if bender wasn't like five degrees on his left or right in those moments but homer is right he has had thousands of head x-rays we've seen homer's head x-rayed a lot on the show uh that's i mean also aljean likes a head x-ray like he it's one it happened so much in his era on the show i i also well okay also on the

commentary i don't like that aljean takes no responsibility for the crayon he's like that was not in my script and no one will cop to who came up with it because i think even on the commentary the writers are like this crayon is bad i know no one whoever pitched it we're not blaming them i just i do love how they get hibbert out of the scene though it just says well i'll show myself now it's like i'm dropping this this like stupid excuse grenade into the episode and well i'm just gonna leave you with it i look i love the i love the introduction of it but also the reason it becomes that joke is because they couldn't think of a better, I would think Al Jean probably in his script instead of a crayon just had a pill that made Homer smarter.

Like in Algernon, I don't think he would make such a big turn from the original story. It would just be Homer gets an experimental medical drug that does make him smarter. And then he stops using it. That, that would just be the plot. It does feel like an addition by scully or someone

else to be like that'd be funnier if like a crayon was up his nose and that did it but yes homer learns about his brain crayon in this very important clip mr simpson i'm afraid you have a crayon lodged in your brain there's a crayon in my brain but I've had thousands of head x-rays how come no one ever noticed it before oh I can answer that you see whenever I pick up an x-ray I always hold it like this my thumb must have covered up the crayon every time I'll show myself out do you have any idea how this might have happened well I'm not idea how this might have happened? Well, I'm not sure But it might have happened when I was six

14 15 16 Feels so good. I think that's all of them. Mr. Simpson, this could be responsible for your subnormal intelligence. Hey, I came here to be drugged, electrocuted, and probed, not insulted. We could remove the crayon for you. It could vastly increase your brain power.

Or it could possibly kill you. Increase my killing power let's do it and i think they said they had to put in that i don't feel so good comment so they would uh be allowed to show it so kids wouldn't imitate it yeah i mean it is quite an imitatable act like i maybe also i don't like it because the sound going up his nostril is so disgusting it's it's really gross very visceral and i think we're all used to this in the era of covid just like things unwanted things going far up our nose yeah that's true that's very true and it's kind of funny because like just listening to it now in the cans with like no you know visual on the episode

itself kind of makes it much worse to just hear that sound effect yes yeah i was kind of cringing when you were playing the clip just now uh great foley they worked really hard what does a crayon going into a sinus cavity sound like and by the way people have a problem with the way we say crayon yes how do we all say crayon i i like it is spelled c-r-a-n me too crayon not crayon where do you fall on the crayon issue andrew i actually i uh accentuate the on i'm a crayon okay grew up amongst a lot of crayons okay hey totally fine by me however you say it is fine but then you need i feel like the some of the voice actors are over enunciating crayon to not say crayon.

But yeah, when I, if I, for school, I got a 64 pack of Crayolas, I'd be like, oh, all my new crayons. They're crayontastic. Yes. Okay. Him at least makes it funny. I can't admit that, but I just, okay. Here's another issue I had with it. Homer when he six is supposed to be of normal intelligence until he gets that crayon in his brain. But shoving 16 crayons in your head is the sign of being stupid.

He was stupid before he did it. So I don't... It's a huge... Logically, it makes less sense. It's a huge, huge cheat to justify a Charlie parody. And that's all there is to it. Yeah. It's just...

And I don't like that it's stuck around like you can i've seen merch that does jokes like uh a merchandise that was like what what homer's brain looked like and they draw the crayon in there i'm just like i hate seeing that crayon there pisses me off it uh so maybe i'm just man homer also says that he increased his iq by 50 points later he will say that he has 105 iq meaning he has a 55 iq at this point which that um exceptionally low that's lower than forrest gump but though as we all know like okay this also is another thing i don't like about this episode we go into comedy atheist territory smug atheist comedy territory here of like bill maher and stuff that i just am like i don't like it that the idea of like well by being smart i'm better than

everyone and then yeah people aren't mad that homer is smug at his smartness like nobody it's everybody else's fault that people don't like homer that he's smart not that there could have been a really good lines later in this where people like uh homer you may have you know you may know the answer to a bunch of questions on jeopardy but you don't seem to understand people like there's yeah they just seem to street treat smartness is like a dragon ball z power level i really don't like it's it's like intelligence in this context is academic almost it's not emotional intelligence or anything like that it's just knowing facts and knowing certain kinds of facts not just you know general information but like high class information like npr jokes and uh things like that well i also think and this probably did appeal to me at 18

oh for sure yeah when i was 18 i was sure i was smarter than everybody and everyone was worse than me because of that and the reason i'm unhappy is that because i'm too smart for everyone else exactly there we go yeah no i mean this is a lot of the lies that we that nerds tell themselves and this is a show written by nerds so yeah it's also just weird when because another way that they sort of exemplify his you know growing intelligence is obviously his vocabulary grows but that was a thing that just happened pretty recently in the show's history when he accidentally gets the vocabulary builder tapes instead of the weight loss tapes that's right yeah at least it was that he doesn't understand what he's saying he's just using the words um but yeah that was another like oh yeah kind of echoes of a prior uh joke well

and here's another echo in this next clip as homer proves his intelligence ian simpson and delilah in season two come on him to come now he didn't know it's specifically about the the bismarck i know but i don't think it's a callback i just think bismarck is a funny word sure sure i i think i think al jean also you know well this is a very harvard al jean is a is a certifiable like genius like he went to harvard at 16 and through no family connections like he he got in it purely through academic achievements so and speaking of callbacks they totally throw dr joyce brothers under the bus yeah she did your fucking show she brought her own mic yeah she actually they owe her so much

because all right this if you've listened to the last exit to springfield podcast we did you already know this but in the last exit to springfield in season four originally on smart line it was going to be oj simpson doing the voice and it was like within a year of he's about to kill his uh or i mean kill a few people yeah no so oj simpsons drops out they get dr joyce to do her one line in his place if she hadn't done that like what if they'd had oj simpson on their show like that would in classic simpsons that that would be a shadow cast on this series to this day it would kind of be the same as like having the michael jackson episode yes yeah you know removed from most places but yeah it would be just another kind of weird scene like that uh except he was you

were saying that oj was going to play himself though yes yeah yeah which okay which uh dr joyce too like i i had forgotten like she she had lived an interesting life and also like she has a real phd she is homer says like oh her credentials are highly suspect she has a ph she had a doctorate she she died in 2013 she also was like famous for winning the 64 000 question in 1955 that's how she became a institution of tv which is funny for me to learn because i just in the 80s and 90s as a kid i was like yeah she's the person who shows up on tv i don't know she's like the tv person that's all she's an expert yeah she's the expert right uh but yes homer and lisa connect through his new smartness oh homer where have you been i just underwent a

procedure to increase my iq 50 points really and they gave me this spiffy nerd ensemble, too. Do you feel smarter? Is the capital of North Dakota Bismarck? It is. I don't believe it. Say something else smart. Dr. Joyce Brothers may be well known, but her psychological credentials are highly suspect. It's true. Now, who's up for a trip to the library tomorrow notice i no longer say library or tomorrow i'd love to go to the library with you it's a date now here's where the lisa stuff starts

yep with nine minutes to go in the episode yeah my again my thing is not to belabor this but should have come in earlier there should have been hints of this in the first act. I think a more interesting place for the story to go is that Lisa befriends Homer because he's smart, but soon he becomes too smart for her, or she realizes what her intelligence causes her to do to other people, how she treats other people because of her smartness. I think it could be a better episode because of that. Thank you. Yeah, but Bob, they didn't do that in the book Flowers for Algernon. That's true.

You have to follow what happens in that. No, those are both really good pitches, Bob. And they're much more emotional about Lisa and Homer's relationship. The first action have a scene where Lisa fails to connect with Homer because they misunderstand things or whatever like that i i but i do like how cute lisa goes like it's true yeah like it's the brief pause as the family looks at lisa to consult her uh that is just it's also such a great thing because i also love when they like you'll have like a group dumbing down of the family and it's like so

neither bart nor marge know the answer to that question correctly and have to you know revert to lisa i just i i always kind of get a bigger chuckle out of that yeah it's true uh and uh yeah when they head to that library tamari they uh this is another one where i was like wait if homer's so smart now how does he misunderstand the dr seussuss book Hop on Pop? I was kind of annoyed by that because they're still writing Homer as dumb jokes. Yeah. It's funny.

It's funny, though. But it's just like, well, Homer is different now. He can't have this takeaway from this book. He can't think it's tragic when you hop on pop. That is not the point of Dr. Seuss, which a dumb guy would. Scully mentioned that on the commentary. He was a little afraid at first of making Homer smart for the episode because you have to completely change how you write jokes for Homer. And they were scared of that challenge.

And I think the jokes about Homer being smart are good. They're not any real big clunkers. Well, one of the good things about The Critic, which Al Jean co-show ran and co-created, was that there was no stupid character. They had to work a lot harder to write jokes because of that yeah by making uh yeah actually their main character had like a phd in film yeah yeah he i guess the jokes about him where he was a food monster he could still become a food monster if if uh and he talked to his belly not his uh brain yeah yeah i mean that's what that's what's i mean you know you look at like that show and it's so great because the only real like everyone everyone is an intelligent character but it's all

just about like status they all the characters just have different kinds of status like duke is powerful you know and jay is timid and weak and way all of his vices and whatever so it just makes for an interesting dynamic in that way because they can all be sort of snappy characters with what they're saying but they're just all at different levels of class in that way status rather yeah uh yeah it's it's more about in uh forcing status upon the other like a lot of jokes are like well i can make you do this because your contract says that or whatever yep yeah yeah or the you know the father is rich and everything so that means oh yeah in that regard i guess that's this episode uh oh yeah sorry i was gonna say i

guess franklin sherman is the one stupid character but he's he's just like a ralph wiggum kind of in that way yeah yeah oh i was just gonna point out for this simpsons episode i i think it's like flawless in the sign gags for different you know buildings and whatever but i do love the library uh which we see all the time and it doesn't normally have mottos but it just decided this episode to have home of bookworms and silverfish which is just such a nice like knock to like you know you think about like the infrastructure of springfield and it's like yeah of course the library would be riddled with you know silverfish or something like that they haven't cleaned it they haven't had money to clean it in a long time yeah i think right and then to advertise that on a sign it's just great look

we're leaning into it we got it okay we admit silverfish and uh the joke about leon uris is his books are very large yes yeah i i didn't know that until i looked up like okay yeah one of his most famous book exodus is over 700 pages and then his second most famous book is over 900 pages so yes famously wrote big books that also is just leon urus funny name to hear cletus say yeah and i'm glad i for a second thought they'd kill that turtle i was like oh man i like the repetition of ow yeah that's good i also did like when lisa said oh i've always dreamed of being at the library with you homer's like come on no like he's he's right like lisa should have given up on that dream a long time ago but he'd never do that now i do think it very accurate to being a smug smart guy homer

self-satisfyingly laughing at npr jokes i i do like that i don't i don't know if there's a cut scene that explains this but for some reason homer's radio has even gotten smarter it's like a nice bows radio now you're right he has like a high class radio he's listening to npr with and again where's he getting the money for this yeah come on they just showed you his job he's solving rubik's cubes for money uh but uh yes it wouldn't be um 2000 era joke about being smart if you didn't bring in atheism and i i did like this joke at the time i i still kind of like it that sonata may not be a glenn performance but i must say it's good as Gould. Hey, Flanders, heading for church?

Well, I thought I could save you a little time. Ooh, found a new shortcut. Better. I was working on a flat tax proposal, and I accidentally proved there's no God. We'll just see about that. Uh-oh. Well, maybe he made a mistake nope can't let this little doozy get out that's great the reveal of homer putting them on the cars as that burns away is very very funny

that's great and and that lots of people have said for uh philosophers have said for so long that god is dead there's no god all that but that homer has a mathematical proof that even for the hardest core of believers to look at it is to agree that god is dead i hope that was also a slam on flat taxes too i hope so so. Yeah. You know, what's funny though is, cause I've always liked this joke. I love that Ned refers to it as this little doozy. It's always slayed me. And, but Henry, I agree with you.

I hate smug atheist shit. I hate Bill Maher shit like that. But I think the difference here is like, what sets me off about that kind of comedy is when it's specifically like those with, you know, faith or religious beliefs are stupid. And this isn't necessarily what this is. You know, he's not saying like, Ned, you're an idiot for believing this.

It's like, hey, just helping you out. I thought I'd save you some time having to go to church by giving you. So it's like a little bit of a different take on that kind of joke. So I think that's why at least I personally have always kind of given it a pass over the years oh yeah yeah you're right this is not a religious or whatever movie he made oh god yeah oh god i saw that in the theaters what a mistake no i mean look we um i think all of us online to some degree we're like oh yeah i'm i'm an atheist like i especially you know i grew up in uh you know, the Bible Belt ish South. And and when the prevailing culture there was and still is for people who live there, too, is, you know, strong Christian fundamentalism or at least Christian Christianity.

It is a rebellious move to be like, I don't believe in that stuff. But the online culture of atheism turned so hard right. Oh, yeah. Just like so awful and full of like the worst people that you're like, well, I agree with you. There's no God, but I don't agree with you on like, well, trans people aren't human. Right. I'm like, no, I don't agree with that.

No, that's not true. I also I do like any reference to Steve Forbes insane flat tax proposal. Yeah, I do like that, is uh the flat tax was just like well shouldn't every american be taxed the same and it can work out this and all it is just an argument that poor people aren't taxed enough and that rich people are taxed too much and if you make it flat well then it's uh then isn't it fair man yeah uh but yes uh ned ned burns that i guess he must have burned all the other ones because this proof that god isn't real to knock people still go to church in springfield

uh so then homer gives a speech to the kids which also feels very like uh i don't know gene getting al gene getting revenge against his uh bullies in high school well this this is a scene from the movie which i have never seen on the commentary they say it scene from the movie, which I have never seen. On the commentary, they say it's from the movie, which it's him basically doing the same thing. Okay. I mean, I do, you know, taught youngsters out there, like, if somebody gives you a moron says what, you got to say, not being a moron, I wouldn't know. Like, that's the next turn you got to do on it. But, and also, it's funny that this is the second scene in the episode where Homer is dancing dancing for a cheering crowd oh that's right sure yeah that's weird but i do love this skinner setup here of the next in our series of putting stuff up your nose or series of not putting stuff up your nose

just love like like the show has always been so great about like just add the one word and it has like a whole world of difference in the level of the joke. And it's just that word series. Just our series on not putting stuff up your nose. God damn, why would you do that, Seymour? It's great. The back and forth between Homer and Nelson is kind of weak. I don't like it that much. But I like how the scene ends with just bulldozers coming in off screen.

Almost the kids running. That's great. They wanted to use that auditorium until the last second, last possible second. Of all of the Skinners saying there's budget cuts jokes, I think a bulldozer smashing through the wall might be one of the best. I do. The kids have to run away screaming. Yes, Homer is enjoying his

smartness he's even helping his friends uh lenny and carl uh with uh carl's cotton piece and lenny with his skin falling off all the time the sound more good foley like yeah so i do have the sound of that here as uh as homer uh helps the Yeah, and just in time. Every day there's more skin on my pillow. It's nice to have someone with brains in this nuclear plant. Homer's the guy who rigged up my pants with this special codpiece. Comfy, isn't it? Oh, yeah.

It provides the freedom and protection I so sorely need. Yeah. protection I so sorely need. Yeah! Ha! It seems the federales have been tipped off by an anonymous whistleblower. Now, while the plant is brought up to code, there will be massive layoffs. That is to say, total layoffs. Total... layoffs. That is to say, doodle layoffs. Doodles. Way to put us out of work, genius. I can't feed my family with a codpiece. Wait, you can't hate

me. I'm your better. You're better. Oh, you've really done it this time time dum-dum i i was i've rewound it a few times and maybe there's a deleted scene that explains it what the hell is on burns's golf cart that weird little logo on the front i yeah i couldn't make heads or tails of it i i guess it's the new logo for his uh company i suppose i it looked like a green duck or something i i don't know what it is this

uh you know this scene did really remind me of uh working in the games press and learning about layoffs and just like oh i actually told layoffs see i like the guy leaves not in a golf cart per se but uh uh if homer still cared about being poor he'd be pretty sad he lost his job here. I've been trying to think of that codpiece joke. So is it that Carl's genitals are so big that they need a codpiece for extra support that most men do not, or people with penis and testicles, don't need in their pants? I think he's wearing the codpiece outside of his pants so i think he has unzipped his pants in his his junk is in the codpiece outside of his pants so he's got freedom but also protection oh man when he pulls off his codpiece ability issue

exactly so then when he pulls off his codpiece to throw it at homer then he's just like flying out there that's why it was off screen uh yeah uh that's how mad carl is he's just stopping away with his his genitals swinging around that's uh but you know uh and correct me if i'm wrong with this what was the deal does carl have a family you know that i can't feed my family with this cod piece i also was thinking of that i don't think carl carlson usually has a family no we've right we've seen the the leg of lenny's perhaps wife once yeah yes that's right yeah yeah yeah and i shaving her or something right yeah shave up stupid i forget i feel like we've watched a couple episodes where it's like at a family party or a company party and carl is standing next to an african-american woman that i think you are to

assume is a partner of his but i i don't believe that he's ever identified like my wife does this or whatever but uh right uh but yeah lenny is dying i do love just the sound it's like uh paper clips dropped on the floor or something the sound of it so not only is it skin flakes but they're very heavy uh but yeah they do very like david cronenberg like body horror moments in one episode it's almost too much for me to handle honestly uh you know they've uh before it was lenny's eye being destroyed now it it's his skin. Yeah. His skin is falling apart. Also, again, like, yeah, an episode more interested in the emotional journey of it could make this a point about it's not just anti-intellectualism. His friends are right to be mad that Homer, the super smart guy, didn't seem to think about that his move could shut down the entire plant and they'd all lose their jobs. Right yeah and homer's takeaway is like oh i'm too smart for everyone but no his intelligence is making him

be a jerk and there should be more about that in this episode and more commentary on it from lisa especially yeah yeah but uh but instead okay this is my favorite line of the episode though as homer comes into mo's bar effigy eh yeah nothing burns like an effigy hey that's me stop that the fire inspector would be appalled dog tell me how to feel yeah so you all hate me that's right brainiac your courses are jobs which we need for working Driving to and I was a lot happier before I knew Dame Edna was a man a lot happier You ain't welcome here. No more smart boy. Hmm. I'm detecting a distinct strain of anti-intellectualism in this tavern power off

einstein oh yeah lenny and carl jokes right yes we need for working and for driving too yeah i mean i also anytime i see an effigy on television i think like yeah nothing burns like an effigy like that's pretty great uh and i have to assume mo probably masturbated a lot today menda i gotta think i gotta think that's that is what i think that joke is right that was my reading on it i just love like what was the scenario where like they were all sitting around the bar one night and homer brought up day med for some reason you know yeah i would i would guess that since homer got his intelligence they were all talking about like their celebrity crushes or whatever and homer goes like well mo you do know and that

also mo assumes you need super intelligence to know that fact yeah that it's a drag performance uh wasn't uh wasn't dame edna the subject of the joke oh and the um the b sharps episode yes well basically like we when was the last time we all got together and i think it's up who says last year on that day madness special yeah that's right yeah which they all kind of hated it sounded like a damn yeah they didn't have a good time on the day madness special yeah which that's i mean that's also very real like oh when when did they reunite it's like well a a popular talk show host in england that most americans don't know anything about they paid him a shitload of money to show up for a for a reunion that's uh

i always i mean i still enjoy those clips of like i think it's uh it's flattened out more internationally but there was a time where i really loved seeing clips of celebrities when they would just be like drunk off their asses on an English talk show thinking like ah this doesn't air in America you can ask me who saw like sex questions I'll take whatever you got they were gay yeah oh yeah yeah uh Graham Norton I'll tell you anything this is only for British ears that's uh I like those moments but don't say i've haven't seen much dame edna in my life i will say maybe in that like uh like some monty python ish special like she would get the the secret policeman's other ball that's the one i'm thinking of like she appears in that day the the australian

comedian who plays dame edna is still alive at 87 as of this recording okay all right yep knock it on wood cover that yeah uh so yes homer is smashed in the back of the head uh concussed for the rest of the episode um and he then asked lisa how she deals with sadness which these are jokes about how tragically sad it is to be so much smarter than everybody. But I at least feel for Lisa in this scene. Lisa, why didn't you warn me? Being a brain has alienated me from all my friends. Dad, as intelligence goes up, happiness often goes down. In fact, I made a graph.

I make a lot of graphs. Well, what gets you through the day? Oh, many things. Tai chi, chai tea but i find when i can't keep the unhappy thoughts from swirling in my brain the best thing is usually a nice long walk a walk that's a really good idea and homer's driving in the next shot which that feels like a thing stupid homer would do stupid homer would not listen uh but he's lazy though i i hate to say this as a person who you know uh didn't exercise too much until uh this last pandemic year got me to do it but going for walks every day really does help me not feel sad and have sad thoughts

bouncing around in my brain and actually gosh darn it those exercise people were right for some reason laying in bed eating for some reason laying in bed and eating greasy sugar doesn't make you feel as good as walking but i really love that line that lisa says of like i make a lot of graphs like that that's my favorite joke there it's it's off screen too so it feels like an adr line they added later but it is funny yeah uh and i and i do love this parody of the state of movies at this time because it's both runaway bride and my best friend's wedding they are like back-to-back julia roberts wedding movies but the jokes in this do remind me of shrek oh yeah just that they're not jokes they're just quips that sound funny they have the cadence of a joke like is that your final answer that could be a thing in Shrek that Eddie

Murphy probably said at some point actually Shrek ends with an interrupted wedding but with two grooms on stage oh my god and then a wacky character off screen saying like I'm a donkey on the edge and celebrity marriages they don't last do they like so you're right this is 90 a scene from shrek yeah but uh i though also that does feel like a thing they wouldn't do now like this is very specifically a julia roberts richard gear kind of joke and that though that guy doesn't look like bill pullman that they know the other guy she's marrying. They do not draw him to look like Bill Pullman. And I don't like that.

And Al Jean said this was written based on his experience watching Beverly Hills Cop and that he thought it was not funny and was mad that everyone was laughing at it. Which I'm like specifically that one movie. Yeah, I know. Right. Oh, OK. Al, I don't know what was going on with you the day you saw beverly hills cop in theater maybe beverly hills cop three maybe yeah maybe he means the third one oh no he said the first i think that's totally understandable yeah now the first year that movie is funny like i mean

like anything else made in the 80s there are jokes in there that i'm not i'm like oh yeah he does say the f slur in this that's not good but oh oh sure but but if you're i feel like if you're in a i have watched in a crowded theater the beverly hills cop film and like you laugh at it it's funny you there's funny things bronson pinchot is delightful oh man yes oh absolutely uh and you also just get to go like now you're like whoa there's chris rock when he's like 17 or something in this movie like eddie murphy like he he helped some people out he really did like uh but yeah i i it was weird to hear aljean admit he didn't like beverly hills cop i was so confused by that but but now you know just like I don't think they'd make fun of Bob Iger, I don't think they'd be like, oh, this popular movie is bad. Like, they wouldn't make jokes like this anymore. Like, not this specifically.

But, yes, love is nice in this next clip. Do you take this woman to be your lawfully wedded wife? I do. One groom? Two grooms? But he... but you can't... Oh, my medication. Oh!

Radical! Is that your final answer? I don't understand. That wasn't funny. Wait a minute. Somebody's not laughing here. It's him. Hey, don't blame me. This movie is tired and predictable. You know she's going to wind up marrying Richard Gere.

I thought she'd wind up with that rich snob. Ably played by Bill Paxton. It's Bill Pullman, you fool! Point out your plot holes elsewhere. Is there no place for the man with the 105 IQ? The sea captain has, was that Mel who said the ably played by Bill Paxton? No, sea captain. Oh, sea captain.

Yeah. Not the greatest compliment. He ably played it. Yes. Though I have to say this happened to it happened to me uh for a while too like bill paxton bill pullman that they don't even look alike but they they played similar roles and they have similar-ish names like i think a lot of people were doing that back then oh yeah and it'll happen now like if you get in a conversation with somebody and someone messes it up i mean we've had this on we hate movies happen like someone says the wrong name the rest of the people in the conversation will have the

brain infected by that error like it'll definitely happen my curiosity about the fact because i mean obviously it's um runaway bride and my best friend's wedding but the fact that homer corrects to the fact that the other guy there is bill pullman made me wonder if it was also possibly like a while you were sleeping reference oh sure because Bill Pullman is like the other guy in that movie yeah she's the one he ends up with instead of uh Peter Eyebrows what's his name Gallagher Peter Gallagher thank you yes yeah those eyebrows we had um the it's funny because I totally forgot that this one groom two groom line was in this episode but this was one of those lines that like my friends and i just sort of co-opted to mean

like the expression that it was intended to be so like so he's expressing like uh like sort of like a shock and concern so when we would say like you know we would say like one groom two grooms in response to like something being weird or like just a little you know whatever we would just say that and then everyone else in the circle knew what you were sort of expressing by quoting a totally nothing simpsons joke you know i i really love that line as an expression of a bad joke because, you know, in a better written comedy, the person would be like, what the, or whatever. Instead, how long it takes, like one group, two. And he then just passes out into the wedding cake, which is also on stage with the people being married. How we use electricity

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Find our net zero hub at electricireland.ie. But I'd say then Al Jean cannot get mad that we're pointing out all the plot holes in his episode because the joke here is that Homer is correct to point out plot holes. You're supposed to be on Homer's side pointing out plot holes. It's a real glass house situation we have on our hands. Yeah.

I would say if you're in an episode where not every joke's great and it has plot holes, maybe don't make a scene about how Homer says not every joke is good and it's kind of predictable. I always thought that this joke had a misunderstanding of what plot hole meant. Because Homer's not really calling out plot holes. He's calling out like cliches in rom-com storytelling. So this is kind of like several internet, very popular internet videos you will see where it's like, here comes the plot hole. And you're like, no, it's just a dumb thing that happened in this movie.

It doesn't necessarily make it a plot hole. How did Batman get to the top of this thing? a dumb thing that happened in this movie it doesn't necessarily make it a plot hole how did batman get to the top of this thing because he's the fucking batman and he can get up there like he's yeah exactly what a plot yeah no uh i i won't say the name of the channel but we all know we all know the youtube channel we're talking about here uh but yeah that's i feel like that's at least less talked about now that youtube channel but uh yeah uh but yeah bill uh you know i guess i have stopped saying it now because bill pullman is still with us and bill paxton is not so it's uh so tragic we didn't appreciate bill paxton enough we had him around like what you learn about his life that he was

like a film editor friend who just became an actor because James Cameron was like, you're awesome. Like just you play this one role and he just grew and grew. That's what an amazing story. Yeah. I mean, Paxton is truly one of the like, don't know what you got till it's gone kind of actors for sure. Well, man, it is even his frailty. The movie he directed is like like such an underrated movie. Like he's, it's so good.

I mean, it is a very God is real movie, the opposite of what Atheists Enjoy. But as like a creepy horror film, it's really good. I like it a lot. But yes, so Homer is cursed with 105 IQ. We do a long weekend parody, like the third or fifth one probably in Simpsons history of Homer walking in that same walk cycle with signs behind him. Disney Store is a good joke to end on. That is a good one. They never make that joke now.

No way. I kind of missed the just joke. I'm surprised it wasn't excised from the Disney Plus broadcast. That's why I'm watching on DVD to make sure it's not. They covered it up like they did with Daryl Hanna'sannels butt daryl hannah's butt that's right there they cover it with fuzz yeah the fuzzy the fuzzy butt of a mermaid we all know uh as legend goes uh so homer says uh he goes to the doctors he wants it reversed he says he's a spalding gray in a r Dees world. Rick Dees,

the radio DJ and novelty song performer still with us. Disco Duck. Yeah, the creator of Disco Duck. A native of my hometown of Jacksonville, Florida. So, we're real proud of him. And they mentioned that Rick Dees liked this joke about him being like crap.

And then, yes, you pointed it out, Bob. There's a dark joke they make on but uh and then uh yes there's you've pointed it out bob there's a there's a dark joke they make on the commentary and then quickly run away from yes where uh and then one of the writers says and then spalding gray killed himself and aljean says and that was very sad and then there's a lot of silence on the commentary so yeah spalding gray the monologist that is when you kind of just clip that part from the commentary not everything has to make it under the dvd uh that's that's definitely a writer's room joke about like oh rick dees loved it so much and spalding gray killed himself because he hated this joke like that that's a

joke you make in the writer's room but when you're committing it to record forever as i i guess too this is like the seventh or eighth year they're recording them so al g knows he's probably had enough times that people say like hey you said that on the commentary he's like all right people listen to these let's be careful for sure uh like like matt selman's has says a couple words on some of these i'm like boy i bet you regret having these on record now but uh but let me say on spalding gray i really like Gray, I really like the film performances of his monologues, like Swimming to Cambodia or the one about him going to Russia. Both really, those two are my favorites.

I can't say enough good things about it. Has anybody else here watched the comedy series Documentary Now? Yes. I love that so much because it is about how it is. You have to have watched eight million documentaries and no specific jokes about them because they did an entire one that was a Spalding Gray parody. And it was Bill Hader, Spalding Gray doing very specific things that you'd only know if you like had to memorize swimming to Cambodia. And it's just it's so good documentary now is a comedy show made for like 10 000 people but that's that's why i love it but it's it's so great because i feel

like it can function for two audiences i mean that's like you know i've seen most if not all of the things that they're they're parodying so like you appreciate it on that level but like come on even the stop making sense one if you don't understand it but you still see fred armiston dancing with the little speak and say robot like on a different very like you know just face value level i think that show can still be pretty funny i i love that well this is a side the last thing i'll say about documentary now is like my favorite one a joke in that stop making sense is as the david burn type character fred armisen intros a song that he didn't rise like this one's by this verse and he wrote it so you know and he's he's just shitting all over the song before the guy plays it i just love that like yeah there's uh you know i did have

that i watched the kid stays in the picture parody one they did with my husband who'd never seen kid stays in the picture the documentary and uh and he still liked it and after he watched i'm like okay i'm gonna have to show you scenes from the kid stays in the picture so you you understand how well they imitated this i've never seen the documentary now episode about that but as far as i remember that kid stays in the picture documentary was like a motion comic yes yep yep and they do an entire parody like that? Pretty much, yeah. A lot of panning and scanning over pictures and cartoons, yes. Yeah. But yes, Homer needs help, and for some reason they don't turn to Dr. Nick for his help.

Look, what if we gave you the name of an unlicensed surgeon? Oh, that would be heaven. Moe Sizzlack! That's right, I'm a surgeon. So what do you want here? Uh, appendectomy, lipo, or the sampler? That's very popular. I want you to stick this crayon into my brain. No problem.

The old Crayola Ablongata. Ah, now for a little powder blue. No, he wouldn't. All right, tell me when I hit the sweet spot. Deeper, you pusillanimous pilsner pusher. All right, all right. Defense! Defense! That's pretty dumb. you pusillanimous pilsner pusher alright alright defense defense that's pretty dumb

but uh extended warranty how can I lose perfect you are stupid if you got an extended warranty on anything

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They probably make so much, like billions on that. I don't like the cheat that Mo is the surgeon, and I wish it would have been more of a tragedy in which Homer becomes stupid or he becomes non-intelligent again like Charlie does in the book, in the movie or whatever. But instead it's just like, well, I don't want to be smart anymore. Just fix my problem instantly and it is fixed to make it homer's choice makes it far more tragic in a way they don't touch on enough yeah like that that homer instantly runs away from it like in this pain that lisa clearly lives with every day homer experiencing it for like uh 12 hours he's like nope crane in my brain. I got to lose it. Also, Bob, what do you think of that octoparot as a parrot owner? I think it should be.

It's very cute. But yeah, at the very least, I did laugh at that the card is not enough. They have to have Mo say it out loud. That's right. I'm a surgeon. And the quote is even on the card is not enough. They have to have Mo say it out loud. That's right. I'm a surgeon. And the quote is even on the card. But yeah, why isn't it Dr. Nick? They already have a bad doctor.

Were they just bored with him? They're like, we like Mo now. Mo's already mad at Homer too for the whole Dame Edna thing. Yeah, why is he, you're right. Man, you're right. That makes even less sense. And also, sorry, one last thing about this is that i

wish this could be it could sell the emotional quality of the story better but i think lisa should have some factor in his decision yeah it feels like he doesn't even think about lisa anymore just like well this is just what i'm doing to make my own life better and then like lisa just i'll come home and hug her maybe well that note in his pocket is a real cheat yeah that's true that's also true i think records that well so here is uh speaking of a uh retcon fix i'll make here okay so lisa is missing a crayon did homer go home and grab the crayon and then go to mose i prefer to think that when he was talking to lisa about being, he already was thinking, maybe I'll reverse this. I better take this crayon just to be safe

and shove it back up my nose. That's my storytelling point. At least Homer then was already considering it. I don't think it's exciting to watch a character write a letter, although this show has done scenes like that. It might have been better emotionally. I mean, it won an Emmy, so it worked no matter what for some people. scenes like that it might have been better emotionally i mean it won an emmy so it worked no matter what for some people but i think it would have been a matter emotionally if we had seen homer write the letter and then go off to get the surgery

and then when lisa gets a letter she doesn't have to read it or anything she could just look at it and be touched but i feel like the audience should know that he is doing this because of lisa yeah i i at least peas the light of his pills near pusher is a good like dr smith is yeah i do like that from uh from lost in space uh but so yeah homer homer is dumb again he chooses to like cut himself off from his daughter like he's like i mean how can you no matter what that letter says if you're lisa how do you not go like oh my father hates me like he doesn't want to rejected everything i'm about yes yeah right uh but yeah and like what is in that letter is kind of like not the fix i think the writers maybe think the the letter is right that starts with like i took the coward's way out and it's sort of like this i don't know how you do it you're so much stronger

and braver than i am but it's like he's essentially like killing this version of himself like it's a weird like you know sort of like a suicide intellectual suicide oh for sure you know i feel like just in talking like what kind of the way you could execute a little better is like if at least the smart homer chooses to actually like have the guts to give her the letter and say like open it later or something i've always disliked how it falls out of his back pocket and she's like what's this and he goes oh something smart me must have wrote you you know before i got dumb again and it's just like i don't know man have him deliver that or you show him sliding it under her door or some shit the whole like falling out of the pocket yeah it's really bad even on the commentary al gene is like oh he's lucky that fell out of his pocket and i i don't think i don't think

we need the explanation oh lisa i wrote that when i was smart and i'm dumb now so take it and read it or whatever like if it had just fallen out of his pocket and she read it we would have known he wrote that no he wrote it yeah you wouldn't need hom to say that. And actually, it makes him less stupid by even knowing what that was. I will say in that Spider-Man comic, the Rhino comes to the same conclusion that ignorance is bliss and he wants to be stupid again. But they express it much smarter in that Spider-Man comic. But yes, in our final clip here, it's a rather tragic ending for all involved. Sweetheart, a missing

crayon could be anywhere. Who wants lottery tickets? Okay, it's in his brain. Dad, how could you? We were connecting in such a meaningful way. We were what, what, and what, what? Yeah, which reminds me, I need a sandwich. in such a meaningful way. We were what-what in the what-what? Ugh.

Yeah, which reminds me, I need a sandwich. Ha! Hey, what's this? I don't know. Must be something I wrote before Mo fixed me. Lisa, I'm taking the coward's way out. But before I do, I just want you to know, being smart made me appreciate how amazing you really are. Oh, Dad.

Oh, you want a hug. Well, that I know how to do. Hmm. Hug. I think what happened was Homer understands why Lisa is so hated, and he wanted to opt out of that. He's like, boy, no wonder everyone hates Lisa. I'm sick of this.

You're right. You know what, Bob? This is a backwards way of doing a take that Lisa's beliefs job. I'm going to have to play that jingle now. Take that Lisa's beliefs. Thank you. That's our take that Lisa's beliefs jingle. And yeah, you're right.

He does. It's kind of a suicide. And then it's just like, yeah, he just abandons his daughter and the connection they had. And he's just like, well, you're pretty cool, Lisa. Anyways. I can still hug you occasionally. Yeah. Is that enough?

Like Lisa shouldn't be satisfied by a fat guy hugging her while he eats a sandwich he should be like i'll never know my father again i'll forever be like cut off from him this is yeah totally i guess albert could also why doesn't it like erase his memory right like that's another it doesn't make any sense really like i don't know must have been something i wrote okay like you don't remember doing that minutes ago i I mean, I can't help but keep thinking back to like the conclusion of Lisa the Vegetarian, which is such a great example of what this is doing poorly, right? I mean, like that episode,

they are at a place where it's like they're two different people, but they find like common ground in their love for each other as father and daughter. And he can kind of give her the veggie back ride, you know, down the street versus this where it's like there's no understanding that's made he just very like selfishly does this and like leaves her in the dust and again like this note is not the cure-all that i think they thought it was yeah other things like uh lisa the greek lisa's pony lisa the iconoc, they're all better than this because from the beginning,

there is a disagreement between Lisa and Homer about something, or they're on different pages about something. Yeah, yeah. This episode is, I think it's a season 12 or late, more than a decade into Simpsons. I think that the writers are like, everybody knows Lisa and Homer's relationship. It doesn't need to be established.

Why waste time with it when we could have jokes about anime or whatever you know like that or like in or at least a substitute another great example like they make it clear throughout the episode that like lisa has no respect for her father and likes mr bergstrom because he's a father figure in all the ways homer fails to be one but yeah the lisa just accepts this of like oh i love you too she she should be like honestly they want to play this like realistically emotionally and wring more emotion out of it lisa should be like sobbing she should be like oh dad like and just uh hugging him because like she's seen a death like her best friend just died basically after this miracle of science happened yeah which also can homer for uh always have like could he get that crayon removed tomorrow

and just be back to the 105 iq like can it just pop in and out or is it lodged in there pretty tight again i i don't know that's a new episode uh write your spec scripts uh no i guess the the last compliment i'll give on this vlad scene is i do like the animation of homer thinking lisa trying to hug him is somebody trying to take his sandwich and he lifts the sandwich away from her that's a funny that's a funny thing and you know as a very realistic like hey that's my sandwich yeah he becomes like a dog with a bone or a toy or something i like that but uh yeah again there's there's a lot of fixes to this episode that could have been done i think this is like halfway towards a good idea for an episode but they they didn't workshop it more they're

just like yeah we got it plug in more jokes we get to it yeah not worth an me any final thoughts on this one andrew um yeah you know it's kind of funny because i i went into today thinking like oh it's just kind of like an episode with good jokes but it's like very empty but now i'm also seeing like the really bad sides of this episode and realizing that you know in the long run it is kind of a letdown i did not know that this won an emmy and that's kind of shocking it feels like if you're going to give emmys to episodes of the simpsons there's way better ones to do that for and i'm sure even within this season 12 where like the cracks are really starting to show you could find ones that are better than this so for sure that's very surprising news to me um i do want to point out one last physical gag that

i really psych gag that i really like is when he is at the doctor's office uh towards the middle of the episode and she says crayon in your brain and he goes there's a crayon in my brain and he points to his stomach yeah and the woman lifts his hand up to point at his head oh that's a good one that's very very understated physical comedy there i think yeah yeah yeah but that's it for me yeah well we successfully lowered your opinion of this episode so our job is done we ruined the shows that you like every time you're on but andrew thanks for being on the show please tell us about we hate movies you got so much going on there like melro 210 the nexus once in a lifetime the gleap glossary uh your monthly we love movies podcast so much is happening on your network of shows yeah yeah i mean first of all thanks for having me back it's

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