Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - I Am Furious (Yellow) With Ian Jones-Quartey

Episode Date: February 22, 2023

We welcome back our good pal Ian Jones-Quartey, creator of OK KO and Executive Producer on Steven Universe, for an episode all about animation in 2002. Ian tells us how his own life mirrors Bart's comic moving over into Flash animation of the day, plus we've got the history of the real website disaster that inspired the ep. All that plus a lot of Stan Lee chat, so face-front True Believers! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! Please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod! and our Instagram! Also, check out our newest shirts on TeePublic!

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Hey, it's Ian Jones Cordy, and Danger Dog means more to me than school or church. And this week's episode is I Am Furious Yellow. Who? He created a cartoon called Danger Dog. It's popular with kids and adults. Yes, fine, he'll do anything to end this unstructured conversation. This week's episode originally aired on April 28th, 2002. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history.

Oh my God! Oh boy, Bobby, the G4 network begins on cable services the resident evil remake hits the gamecube and for uh people younger than us a major moment where steve is replaced with joe on blues clues and the internet legend was he died or something yes yeah right instead of steve becoming just a cool guy who like shaved his head and was in like a rock band or something. But yeah, I know this is a thing that really mattered to my husband is is eight years younger than me. So he was at the age of like, what? Blue's Clues really jumped the shark losing Steve for Joe.

Like it's there's a major moment for younger people. I was too old for that at the time, but I feel sorry for them. With a huge downgrade. I think I watched a bit of Blue's Clues when I was homesick. I was also way too old, and I was like, this show's too easy. Throw some twigs at me.

I guess Joe is hotter than Steve, so there's that. Yeah, I'd agree with that. I think there was that weird, well, not weird, but popular viral video last year of like steve basically doing a two camera testimonial in character telling the kids who grew up on the show like i'm proud of you it was like it was your tv dad like basically just giving you a hug like i

when i told my my husband about it he said like i can't watch this it's gonna make me cry i can't i mean if optimus prime told me he was proud of me or whatever he does if you go on the ride well he says we're part of the we're all part of the group now he likes that i'm good as a soldier he doesn't love me yeah i guess if uh i don't know the tricks rabbit told me i did a good job or something i would cry and who didn't play the resident evil remake on the gamecube i did a little too scary for me but i respect it uh one of the finest remakes and could you believe it made six years after the original game oh that does feel too yeah doesn't it 96 you know too that i mean it was such a huge leap in technology though and it still looks very

good today i guess yeah with time dilation that's like many generations would be six years now, nowadays. I had been clowning on, like, they're doing a remake of the first Last of Us game. It's only 10 years old. And now to hear, oh, yeah, wait, it was six years was the break on Resident Evil. Yeah. How long was, like, Mario All-Stars from Mario 3? Oh, yeah. Oh, like like i guess three years in america right that's crazy and speaking of video games g4 network now uh i was a huge snob about this

when i was uh 20 years old because i'm just that cool but i was like well i have the internet uh why do i need this also what's on my cable network but when i would see it on like at a friend's place i'd be like well I can look this up online. But I guess not everyone had cable internet like me. I was very spoiled. I should say I have the right to say this because

I have a retro gaming podcast, Retronauts. This was a terrible era for video games and video game culture. Would you believe things have actually gotten better? I mean, it might not look

like that from the outside, but things have gotten better since 2002. Yeah, you got to go back and watch like the old game awards that were on like spike tv and g4 back then and this was what gaming culture was and it's pretty insane they would just put tommy talarico on tv uh and please look him up if you don't know that we're finally free of him i

feel like that great youtube video essay by h bomberomberguy finally ended it. We're like, oh, wait, yeah, this sucks. I remember, oh, man, on I think it was his G4 show, he gave Katamari Damacy a really bad review and he called it Katamari Dumbassy. And I was just like, I'm enemies with this guy from now on. Yes, my weeb sensibilities, I think I was usually against him for his dislike of also usually Nintendo games. I remember he really he pretty much hated most Nintendo games. And Henry and I were in the games press long after this, like close to a decade after this. And recently, in recent years, they decided, let's bring G4 back. But first, let's build like a very expensive studio.

That's the first thing we have to do. And that's their first stumbling block. And I think this is still exists. think does it still exist okay it's been gone for a while right yes and i feel very bad for all the people who lost their jobs but the the people in charge they weren't really thinking this over i think i mean they really should have just had like bounced from twitch channel to twitch channel all day on that network and there would have been a low overhead and they would have gotten great ratings yeah literally all they had to do is like this would be twitch on a cable channel that's all it has to be and then because it was owned by comcast just use all your comcast dollars to pay the twitch people to sign a promise that like i promise i will be pg or pg-13 on this channel like

that you'd legally swear to it and this actually ties into this episode uh because we see what's happening in the the tech industry in 2002 where it's like we have a business what's the first thing we do build a very very very expensive office and then we'll figure things out and it's still happening today yeah so on my cable package when i was living with my parents at this time in 2002, we actually had tech TV for years before that. And I do remember G4 was quite controversial online because a lot of people were like, no, bring back tech TV.

Yeah, G4 was a little more extreme. I believe the only thing I really liked on G4 TV, I watched some X-Play just to see an electric playground. I think that was the Tallarico show. I also liked the one that was just, we're showing cut scenes on television. That's just all the show. Cinema tech. Cinema tech? Yeah, that's it.

One final story for me about G4, then we'll move on, I swear. When the network relaunched and what was it 2021 i think i think so uh i'm not even in the press anymore i have not been in the press for like at least five years at that point they emailed me saying do you want our press kit it's the coolest press kit you've ever seen in your life you're not going to believe what's in this and i get it and i open it and i'm like i have no idea what any of this is so i give it all to henry's husband who was a g4 fan and did enjoy the prizes so part of the reason they went bankrupt is because they gave me things that has to be a very rare thing to happen of a cable company making a poor decision like this with their money like a cable network would never make that at most wouldn't it's a

rare goof up from cable cables cable is insane right now because the channels are all they just choose one show and play it all day like so that's what they should have done i don't know what show they would have picked scott the waz 2007 or something i mean i've said this a lot on podcasts it makes me feel so old but i have not really sat down to watch cable tv regularly since maybe 2007 so when it's like what's on mtv you see just how the landscape has shifted and i feel so out of touch where just like well why not show 18 hours of spongebob in a row why make it go yeah i i swear i the only time i turn it on is when i'm in a hotel room and and i say as a person who likes i like the show team titans go but i

think that's the only show on cartoon network every single time i turn it on i think i think you find your most profitable show and just play it into the ground that's that's that's the uh business model for like all tv networks uh boy rough times bubbles can burst yes but joining us today of course our good friend ian jones cordy welcome back to the show ian thanks for having me i'm excited to talk about this episode uh and yeah folks you know if uh first time hearing it on the show he's uh animation professional creator of the show okko let's be heroes as well executive producer on steven universe also worked on adventure time as and you've heard his voice in places too i know you have uh he's like a video game neon white right yes uh thanks for having me and uh but also in ian's past uh he

also knows about the early aughts era of web comics and flash animation oh yeah yes very i'm very nostalgic for it actually watching this watching this episode like really just like huge uh blast to like the nostalgia heart that's why i thought like when this one was coming up honestly like six months ago uh seeing it on the list of season 13 i was like well we got abby in for this because yeah you i mean uh of course not you know i was never in the animation industry but i was deeply invested in this art form as an animation fan so by the time this episode came out it was over and i was a little jaded and upset that it's like well this is like last year you guys what are you doing but it was quite an interesting time to be alive uh this this little weird animation bubble yeah it

was super it was super weird and there was just like yeah the idea of just making a company that had little animated shorts on their website that made money somehow uh was just like all the rage and i kept up with all of them i mean i was watching queer duck and zombie college and hard drinking lincoln and uh some of the more regrettable ones as well yeah i guess we could talk about the history at some point maybe even now but i remember oh uh i love i love ren and stimpy what's up with john christopher lucy what's he doing and then you find out online he's like oh he's doing the flash animation but from his point of view he's like i invented it that was don't stance on it oh god yeah no i i i did in preparation for this episode i re-watched some of my old favorites

that i remember in the you know check the shit out era of hanging with your pals and watching online videos together. I think it took 10 seconds into one of them before I was tugging on my collar of like, well, boy, that's a word I shouldn't hear. Are you watching Weekend Pussy Hunt? No, no, no, no. This wasn't quick, Felicity. It was it was from old Sick Animation. If you remember SickAnimation.com. I wasn't quick, Felicity. It was from old Sick Animation, if you remember sickanimation.com. I've seen lots of other ones. And I guess if you're younger, you might not realize this, but like flash animation of this era or web animation, web cartoons, whatever you want to call it.

It had like a very limited window of viability before we all had cable internet and before streaming video was viable. So the idea was instead of streaming you a cartoon or giving you a video file of a cartoon, we're going to give you all the assets for that cartoon and as well as instructions for how to arrange them. The computer will put them together itself on the fly. So we're not going to send you a rendered video. But because of that, they had to be very short and every file had to be very limited in size, especially the audio quality, because they all had to be like 28.8K modem compatible, basically. Well, yeah, Ian, how much did being able to, you know, work around in Flash back then help you grow as an artist or like learn? Oh, it was amazing. I had a pirated copy of the old Macromedia Flash before it was Adobe.

And yeah, I would just make tons of cartoons in it. It was like hugely, hugely important to me. I didn't really get a regular series of cartoons going until like mid to after college with my old series called Knock Force, which you can watch all the video files of it on YouTube. Those are still there. But I used to upload them

to newgrounds and it was just like a great time for yeah the whole uh hey check this shit out when you're like hanging out with a bunch of friends and it's like look at this weird fucked up animation it was like very very important and actually even today it's funny. You guys did a podcast about the critic webisodes. But oddly enough, in my household, we quote and talk about the critic webisodes maybe more than a person should. We're constantly saying Heather Graham, Heather Graham, Heather Graham. They're truly awful. But I don't know, something about that era of cartoons, I was so activated by. I corporations would go on to really run with this idea of internet cartoons and they made it they made it much better but you can't watch these

anymore unless they've been uploaded onto youtube or made into a video file because modern browsers can't play these old files so a lot of these are just lost forever to time really yeah it's really sad um sometimes yeah you can find like the uh actual like Shockwave Flash files and you can maybe get the player, which is free and play those. But yeah, sometimes the timing is all wrong. But I do remember, I mean, the thing I really remember about this era was like everyone was doing this. I remember CartoonNetwork.com had their own Flash cartoons. They were on like almost every website. Microsoft made clippy flash cartoons um and i

just remember like the feeling of like loading up these cartoons sitting and waiting for all the art assets to load uh and just being like so tickled at whatever humor you're about to get well i'm sure we'll talk about south park in the context of this episode but i was introduced to flash cartoons or web cartoons because i was a big south park fan and i was reading like one of the major south park websites and one update one day was basically someone had taken a scene from the episode volcano and reanimated in flash animation and they just put it on their front page like hey check this out and i didn't know what it was and i thought like well how could you be showing me a clip from the tv show it's 1997 this is impossible and they're like well it's called flash animation and here's how it works and that's essentially how i learned about it and then i was like the possibilities

i i also saw and you had a really smart comment on a tweet a while back i saw about how somebody asked you like oh is ok ko among other things like right now feels like it is almost a throwback to new ground style humor it's just like how how there it is the the young uh teen artists who were doing crazy effed up s on uh new grounds like now they're the people making the shows now yeah oh yeah for sure and um yeah well ok ko specifically yeah was like it was like in an intentional throwback to newgrounds animation youtube poops like you know the kind of i've been ruined by the internet sort of uh humor that i grew up on basically a cartoon that would be linked on something awful or what or what have you but yeah i have a lot of affection

for like this time in animation and there are a lot of there are a lot of people working now you know we mentioned uh teen titans go but like one of the like main directors of that show was a flash animator from like this time and he's basically you can look him up his name's eric pringle he was like one of the first people to take a symbol in Flash and put it inside another symbol. He called it the Pringle. And, you know, and like, yeah, he's one of like, he's, you know, one of the leading animators like in the industry and i think a lot of people have sort of taken these tools and use them in a way that is like really amazing i mean especially when you consider anything that uh like old hannah barbara cartoons could do you can do in flash like very easily and so considering that it's like to see the way that the whole art form has grown it's like really amazing well the strong bad guys have been working at disney for like years now i think right yeah yeah and well i think uh penn ward i definitely the adventure time short got baited to a series because it was shared in a similar way of dude check this shit

out like for sure for sure and also bart bart makes a physical comic in this but he is a web comic this is about webcomics. Here's the thing. We'll get into the history of this episode, obviously, but this is written by guys in their late 30s, early 40s who kind of understand what they're talking about. Really, they're just upset that they were screwed over on internet deals. Yes. It's also they gave this to John Schwarzwelder at that point in his 50s. And there are some things that don't really jive well, because like Bart's like road to the webcomic is like, I make a print comic first, and then I have a web cartoon. And then whatever, just like, well, no, Bart should be making his own web cartoon.

But I think they didn't even know about web cartoons. I'm sorry, web comics, web comics. It should be like web comic, web cartoon. But they were working with what they knew. I don't know how Bart published these. That's not really covered in this episode no it's not i really wish bart made like a penny arcade-esque uh danger dog comic where they're commenting on the latest video games the latest bone storm to come out or something and you you also yeah you did a web comic for a good while even putting

it in your ok ko show eventually that's right and that did have a physical version eventually but yeah it started with the internet that would be much much easier so yeah maybe maybe bart got it a little backwards but how fun is it to watch someone make a webcomic on TV? Yeah, he's lucky he can't walk around with a laptop and like be sketching on that in 2002. And of course, that wouldn't bring him into a local comic book shop where i like had a box where i would get all my where i get spider-man and deadpool and sonic and i remember telling the guy behind the desk like oh i do comics now too and i like tried to tell him like oh you go to this website and then my comics on there he just did not care he was like i don't know why they would put comics on the internet like that doesn't make sense to me

yeah i guess the the secret story behind this and i have a little history on it is this tale of icebox.com now icebox.tv but now what do you mean now? Well, technically, some of this stuff sort of lives, kind of. Not one cartoon's not there anymore. Oh, I assume a lot of them wouldn't be there anymore. But I know the one you mean. Yes. But yeah, so this is parodying a lot of business models. And obviously, the sad thing in this episode is all of these jokes about startup uh culture is exactly the same as now

like yeah nothing has changed all digital media is founded on lies yes but but this is specifically about the simpsons many simpsons writers experience with icebox.com it started in 1999 two of their earliest hires were rob lezebnik and jonathan collier and though it was all under the venture capital funding of e companies uh that was the name you could just call your company e companies back then and it works it's like an electronic company yeah so here's how they pitched themselves in their original variety article when it was reported on it launching in january of 2000 upon its launch icebox.com will bow five three to five minute animated series daily site is focused on

animation due to the ease of viewing the genre online as opposed to video without the need of a high-speed internet connection like that that was the full pitch of like well yeah nobody has fast internet so you just watch the cartoons here and other simpsons vets they had on it brent forrester steve tompkins george meyer david murkin mike reese bill oakley and josh weinstein and not all of these people actually made something the and also they got matt stone and trey parker as well like the whole point that icebox was created was to do more something like south park to sell a new thing like south park so they even cut matt and trey a huge check and matt and trey was that

princess that they made for that was the filthiest thing they possibly could make to intent honestly i believe is an intentional fu to icebox so icebox would not publish it and they didn't we're all on the same page here we've all seen princess right yeah you can watch it online but it is extremely vulgar yeah yeah i think it was them trying to get fired things they actually did release queer duck hard drinking lincoln poker night jesus and his brother superhero roommate and mr wong and also mr wong which was sadly one of their most popular things and that was uh pam brady uh south park writer the third uh writer on south park in most of the earliest days yeah

she she left south park for the so this is the thing they this is what i unlocked from reading multiple articles reporting on it back in 2000 because it only lost lasted in 10 months well actually 14 to be nice uh that they had huge money they signed up as many hollywood people as they could with like here's a shitload of money can you write five three minute cartoons for us and then when it came time to actually make the cartoons they didn't really know how and they kept having to hire outside studios to make it because they they spent all the money on the hollywood writers to get the headlines not actual people who knew how to animate flash and that came later though honestly what i'm sure their plan was we will sell this as the next south park that we'll make a youtube we'll make a video that gets

a huge hit online and then comedy central or showtime will come to us and make it into a show and that's when we make money they sold a little bit of queer duck to showtime that it like aired after queer as folk on the channel right and and they eventually made a deal for a mr wong movie that came out long after the icebox.com shut down you're kidding me they made that i think it does technically exist because i remember being in a uh best buy or whatever and seeing the queer duck movie like what 2007 or something yes and i was like this is a blast from the past but yeah i mean there was a few other ones on there uh on uh icebox i don't want to name them all but murray wilson rock and roll dad was dana gould's cartoon right right and it was about the beach boy's abusive father but it had art by peter bagg

the artist behind the indie comic hate right i remember that yeah and i remember the the theme for that too yeah that you know that was a good one that was good i remember that yeah and i remember the the theme for that too yeah that you know that was a good one that was good i the one i watched out of the big ones uh i did actually watch poker night a bit because it was mentioned on mst3k.info about like this is bill corbett's next project now that season uh 11 is not happening like so i was following bill corbett to that and yeah as they discuss on the commentary, all the Simpsons writers who got hired for it did a big got to have the,

wow, look at this, a Silicon style office tour. Isn't it full of expensive coffee machines? Me and Bob have gotten that tour. The last office we worked in was the better than tv.com office essentially like with ping pong tables and beanbag chairs and a kitchen and i can go on and on and on yeah i've definitely gotten that tour too maybe even a little more these days but yes people

always think like what we need is a really cool expensive office um i've actually also worked at places where they say they keep saying we're building a really cool expensive office for you guys to work in and then when it comes time to open that office the executives are like actually we want to work in that office you guys can't yes and the thing is like at these at these fun in quotes offices like every conference room will have a theme like oh meet us in the the man effect room or whatever which means if you get laid off like i did you're looking at a ton of master chief helmets while you're signing your severance paperwork oh no yeah it's like yes yes folks i was laid off in the halo room oh god that's sad yeah no we we had a tour of one of

those offices i won't name the company. I forgot about that. A few years ago. And I think that office is closed now. The company technically still exists, but that office is not there anymore. In downtown San Francisco. Perhaps I'm talking about an animation streamer that was based there. You never know who I'm talking about. You never know.

But yes, so guess what? That exact thing happens to Icebox they launch with all this pomp and circumstance they have all these big signings they get tons of headlines of like wow is this the future of uh internet of cartoons is it online blah blah blah by october they get one last round of positive press in salon magazine that feels like their pr group was able like we can get one more good article out of this before we have to report the financials because in november they lay off half of their hundred person staff and they're like you know we're still confident we're going to get a new

round of uh funding we'll hire back everybody cut to february 8th 2001 they are unable to raise enough money to keep afloat icebox chief and co-founder steve sanford said the santa monica company will close its doors friday and lay off its remaining 27 employees that's from the la times they blew through 15 million dollars in 14 months and honestly that's nothing yeah that sounds actually small these are small peanuts today from what i hear about the corporate waste happening yeah but they sold it all off for scraps that's how you end up with other shows like it didn't even last long enough to get the critic like adam films got the critic they didn't even films yeah it's that's right yeah i remember on commentaries al gina mike reese said you know we finished writing the

episodes and they took like a year to come out and i think it was like post they had to go through their bankruptcy trials i guess first right right yeah though also yes this episode was inspired by matt selman seeing uh matt graining you know speak and do public events at colleges and whatnot and it's like wow what isn't it cool to hear matt graining talk about all this stuff and and especially like if school kids hear it i was a kid obviously mac reigning didn't do a presentation in my school but i did watch a video in art class that he was on where he was like oh i and he was even saying some of that sass of like yeah i hated school i didn't pay attention at all in it and i drew this cartoon in life and hell about how much i hate school and i was like oh man he's so cool like yeah if you read i believe it's

collected in the collection school is hell the life and hell collection there's essentially he just illustrates a bunch of his like sixth grade diaries but with the life and hell characters and they're very like funny but also very bittersweet and sad because he's always getting in trouble and the principal doesn't like principal skin, but he's like a bear. The Simpsons will be right back. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You see, our new Net Zero Hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels and much more.

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everything you are missing out on well i mean ian have you given many uh talks uh like that or presentations to school kids type things uh yeah mostly to colleges a few times to high schools high schools are are really hard because the kids do not care what you say younger kids it's a little easier if you can just like draw something on the blackboard and they're like whoa you could draw um college is's a little easier if you can just like draw something on the blackboard and they're like whoa you could draw um college is also a little easier because the kids are like super um you know excited but uh yeah high school is like the worst that's a really hard one i've done that a couple times though also i think is selman says it's based on graining but also i think it is definitely them taking aim at the young guns who are challenging the simpsons at the time like yes we'll we'll get to jeff jenkins

and danger dog but i it does feel very snide like oh it's just this easy as if you just make whatever crude thing you want just throw it on the screen everyone loves it i feel like that's what they're they're saying it's like no a tv show needs 90 people from harvard and a full orchestra and that's how you make it it's not a real show then and last thing i'll say in the preamble for myself is i bob you were telling me beforehand not a fan of this commentary or it's not particularly enlightening i agree but i am the nerd just like aljean on this who the first time i heard this like oh my god stanley never does things with actual nerds asking him nerd questions anymore it back then 10 years ago he was so sheltered from having to hear dork questions

anymore that him being on the commentary with aljean asking him the nerd questions i loved it well i appreciate it more because obviously stan lee has passed and uh it's just fun to hear him in in his final years just enjoying the room because he was 80 on the show doing this guest appearance and he's like 90 on this commentary and he's sharp as a tack on this commentary that's great i am a marvel zombie i was a marvel zombie before it was cool. But seriously, I was one of the constantly reading Marvel comics sickos. I had my box of stuff getting every week just like you, Ian. And yeah, I mean, seeing Stanley on the show, what's also fun on the commentary is, so I got to go to, my mom got me a very nice gift once of for us to go to a it was stan lee

day at uh at a san francisco giants baseball game and she bought these like premium experience tickets to see stan lee like talk beforehand before he threw out the first pitch and what was funny was i told my mom he started telling stories and i was like i know this story i'll just tell you the end of it like i i'd heard if you are a fan of marvel comics you've heard every stanley story and he's told them over and over again and he al gene is setting him up for it on the commentary he's like so fantastic four was you trying to get fired right he's like well yeah he tells the exact story i've heard him tell a million times which doesn't happen to mention jack kirby once and in that uh story but you know as someone disconnected from the marvel world uh my my my thought when i saw him on tv is like oh it's the guy from mall rats who talked about the

things dork why did they say dork i don't know but that was strange uh but yeah it's fun to hear him and i think when this aired in 2002 most people didn't know who he was right it's fun to hear him. And I think when this aired in 2002, most people didn't know who he was. Right. It's true. Yeah. This is like, it's a joke before he became the king of cameos, Stanley. Of course, like Al Jean, you know, he, I feel a brotherhood with him and his nerd comics fandom in this one.

He's, he's asking Stanley why the watcher constantly breaks his pledge to never interfere which he does the watcher does every comic the watchers in or or he brings up algae mentions that he won a no prize which uh if you don't know what that is if you sent in a letter to marvel uh basically way before there were forums saying like um excuse me spider-man's web cartridges don't work that way how did he do that then if you came up with a good correction uh like an explanation for it they'd send you a no prize no hyphen prize winner uh they get an envelope that is empty it is that's why it would be called the no prize um also very good timing on this april 28th stan Stanley's on the show Spider-Man's out in a week wow

yeah that has to be conventional that has to be yeah yeah must be and it's also last thing I like on it is that that when I heard it the first time on commentary I was like holy crap this is what I love about Al Jean on this Stanley commentary he correctly says

that John Schwarzwelder is the Steve Ditko of the series because he is a a shut-in who doesn't ever do interviews and stanley laughs along with that because he's like yeah i know that steve that's steve ditko too yeah it's uh that's fun nobody ever asked stanley about steve ditko a very long preamble on this one we're sorry folks but one final thing i do enjoy on the commentary matt graining is in the room stan lee calls him matt groaning and matt just laughs because that's the most common mispronunciation of his name to the point where uh when he's on the show millhouse goes mr groaning

will you sign this so uh that's yeah that had to be a good laugh for graining because he's so used to probably at this point, he's so used to being the highest status guy in a room that nobody mispronounces his name. But when Stan Lee's there, it's like, well, Stan is higher status than me and I'm not going to correct him. But OK, the episode itself. Hey, it's 37 minutes. Oh, my God. but the episode name is inspired or a reference to the i am curious yellow or a 1967 swedish erotic film that had a companion with i am curious blue never seen it i rented it to people when i worked at a art house mom and pop video store every time i saw it i was like oh it's that simpsons episode i should watch it sometime but it's mostly lived on through sitcom title parodies

like there's seven sitcom titles that have i'm sorry seven sitcom episodes that have parodied this title just the parenthetical and all that it's like i am something that rhymes with curious and then a color is in parentheses right i only really know i knew this from there's like a lois lane comic where she transforms to be black and it's called i am curious black that's the only that is the way that i knew this title and i was like oh that must be a parody of something i i knew that comic but forgot the title that is uh yeah that's that's the one they it i think it had good intentions but yeah it was good intentions a little misguided i saw that comic before i knew about the swedish movie so i thought the simpsons were doing a very very deep

comic reference until i realized it was based on a more popular thing i think that i think that comic ends with superman telling her like oh what you think i'm a i'm a white man i'm an alien nobody's like me i'm i was like this really seemed like this misses the mark a bit uh but so yes it's uh it's career day at school kirk van houten is talking it feels like forever since we've seen sad divorced dad stuff i we have the theory that they pulled back on the kirk jokes because more divorced men took over the show that they didn't want to do divorced man jokes uh yeah like a lot of sad lonely men up front in this podcast uh in this episode uh because we're all we're not we're not lonely the hosts here but uh skinner and kirk yeah uh and i like how skinner forward this episode is it's unfortunate he just

drops out after minutes seven and i'm like him i don't like unstructured conversations that's why we're on podcast so yes kirk uh reveals he's the loser who puts thing uh puts flyers on cars who actually he helps that guy uh he also finds out that his wife his ex-wife is about to remarry which uh that didn't stick they still uh they honestly her character doesn't have a speaking line again until for another two seasons when they finally hire back maggie roswell uh this is during the maggie roswell drought um they they make up soon fortunately cowards they just came here to do her in long distance why did it take that much work it's crazy okay anyway so uh after all that they even kirk is like uh he tries to not answer it but they say like nope

we've got time for it and then for one line they bring in marcia wallace just to say that she can't face those kids which i was like wow what why isn't there more of her in this episode i uh i like them that lisa speaks up and then skinner speaks for the audience of like yeah i wonder why she was here why is she here uh but lisa says they need to get better speakers and go to the springfield speakers bureau uh they say they're going to do this instead of using groundskeeper shamus who believe it or not never returned again you'd think he'd be a new recurring character but i think they wanted him to be actually i saw one surprising appearance uh in the 2022 episode marge the meanie he appears in a flashback i don't

know if he has a spoken line but the wiki says he makes an appearance so but i think they thought that like this could be a disco stew kind of guy right like they're they probably have big plans for him yeah it's uh just to have a different scott two scotsman's fighting but and who also apparently likes uh sitting for 90 minutes in a bathtub drinking i love the animation of the two of them fighting yeah it's a good it's good back and forth and he he does you know willie that's why seamus never really came back willie ko's him and he's out of the show he loses he lost the fight to stay on the show so next scene they head to the springfield speakers bureau uh skinner is impressed by random people it's really sus that uh skinner is impressed by random people it's really sus that skinner is

impressed by mark firman i'm like skinner don't you shouldn't want to have mark firman that's a really good mark firman caricature though sure then i gotta say for an episode that i feel takes a little aim at family guy or let's say at least weak jokes uh mr blackwell debating mr t that could use a rewrite guys that's a little too similar to them making fun of lame humor where the what if mr t met et yes yeah it's it's very similar um i want to go over one thing though we're going over a lot of things on this podcast by the way uh but mr blackwell was last parodied in a streetcar named Marge as Mr. Boswell when he makes fun of Goldie Hawn and Bart goes, he is such a bitch. And in case you don't know who Mr. Blackwell is, he's dead now. He is the fashion critic and multimedia personality who created the

annual 10 worst dressed women list in 1960 and kept it going for a very long time. Now, he was alive. I don't know if they tried to get him, but he seemed to have no sense of humor about himself because he sued Carson in 92 because Carson joked about him in his opening monologue. The case was thrown out of court because it was a joke. But Carson's joke was he put Mother Teresa on his worst dress list. It's not even a good joke.

No. That's hardly character assassination, man. Something tells me he didn't have a sense of humor about himself and also this is not mr t but he will be on the show uh very soon mr t oh yeah he bar mitzvahs crusty doesn't he yeah yeah no hey this is the second mr t this season as well because he was at the uh he was at the show of uh nick at night uh branson in the branson episode yeah branson yeah and she was part of that's familiar also a good joke where lisa suggests jeff jenkins skinner of course never heard of him but lisa sells him basically like how people sell tv cartoons of like adults like it too like see

it's not cartoons she should just say cartoons aren't just for kids anymore like lisa but so yes this design of jeff jenkins like he doesn't look like grading he does look like a guy who was in his early 20s then which was the age of matt stone trey parker seth mcfarlane all those types of guys then who definitely were seen as the challengers of simpsons of like oh simpsons is old i'm watching south park or family guy so i think this is a slight amount of defensiveness on their part yeah uh it feels to me like a mix of all of those guys because you get the like cheap uh gross out humor of south park from this era but also uh danger dog looks like brian from family guy he looks like a blue brian yeah i couldn't quite tell like what exactly it's

supposed to be a parody of it feels like family guy and fairly odd parents sort of yeah the the design does look more like the well so it feels it feels like wires got crossed that like i don't know one of the older writers on the show is like oh it's like underdog let's have an underdog parody it's like it's 2002 guys nobody knows i'm your dog yeah this parody uh is spiteful but also very unfocused so it's hard to tell like what they're going for here it's a mix of things but they're all very angry about it yeah though it's funny well first there's a not funny joke about a gutless act of political correctness boy i that's the worst problem with schools these days. Correct. These.

Yeah. Again, it's, it's 2002. It's fine. But I also, it's, it's something they've done multiple times where they're like,

Oh, and we want to make jokes about how things are to PC, make it about Italians. It's like, you know, Luigi is usually used as the cudgel in these jokes about against political correctness, which is aged poorly to say the least. Very of its time. Very of its time.

But yes, then Skinner introduces Danger Dog's creator in our first clip here. And in a gutless act of political correctness, pizza day will now be known as Italian-American sauce bread day. Ah, now that's a sensitivity. Right, Giuseppe? Giuseppe is such a happy monkey. And now today's guest speaker, the creator of Danger Dog, Jeff Jenkins. Jeff! Jeff! Jeff!

Thanks, kids. Next month we'll be airing the Danger Dog Easter special. Would anyone like to see a sneak preview? Yeah! Danger Dog, Noonerville needs you. I hope this is important. I've got a hot date tonight with Sarah Jessica Barker.

Nice! Anyway, your archenemy, Molly Ringworm, has threatened to destroy the city with her puke ring. And blah! The mayor's barf is worse than his bite. I get that it's a point for shock value, but I'm still shocked that Simpsons let this much puke be on screen. They never draw puke be on screen they never draw puke on the show even in context like this i'm still so blown away by this parody because these jokes are simpsons jokes they're not jokes that would be in another bad show yeah i feel like they

they were afraid of writing bad jokes on purpose because they might just come off as bad jokes so like we'll have to make these things at least funny on a surface level like minus the parody we're going for but i feel also that the um we're talking about the melange of things they're trying to target here the south park thing is also like random celebrities so it's like molly ringwald and sarah jessica parker but in dog form so i feel like that's a south park thing from this era south park definitely changed a little bit before this episode era to be less about a gross out random humor show more about like what's the topic yeah when we when we talked about the south park movie for our our podcast about that last year it was one of the things they do and it is and the story of stan vomits on wendy like the that that run the recurring gag in the

first two years like all right enough of this puke joke like but if you're a simpsons writer you're like oh yeah south park's that show where like character vomits all the time right that's what the show's known for it's also funny that on the commentary chuck sheets the director is there to be asked one question and it's an al gene thinks that this is animated in flash and chuck sheets has to tell like no i know this is just copying flash but this is this is regular 2d animation and i was like yeah duh i mean come on this looks like the show it's it's like less fluid but it's it's pops between poses guess, like Flash, but it's obviously not Flash. I mean, it was just funny that Gene misunderstood that.

There's a lot of puke in this scene, though, like we talked about earlier. Again, it's kind of shocking to see this on The Simpsons. This is before Family Guy did the puke bit, where it was like all the characters just puking in one room for two minutes. Right, yes. So it's like a mom pukes in the baby carriage and the baby pukes back and then like the most extreme thing it does feel like a swartz welder gag that he can only get away with in this context but like two kissing dogs start puking back and forth into each other's mouths that's not enough then they then they like you know stop kissing and then

start puking on each other it's pretty good no uh No, you know, Ian, you guys made a point of doing at least one gross boogery episode of the show. There's not as much of the gross booger puke comedy in kid shows these days. Yeah, I don't know if that's super exciting for kids right now. I don't know. It doesn't really. We're dipping our toe in it but i i'm not sure if that's what kids are super into when we covered uh rocco's modern life on what a cartoon more than a few times that's our other podcast by the way we noticed that like it's not the

grossest of gross out shows from that era but in the in terms of the foley, most things in the show make a fart noise. Yeah, Rocco was pretty gross. I feel like, yeah, it's weird. But I think, yeah, the gross out cartoon really has sort of gone by the wayside a little bit. So after the clip stops, which I mean, yes, if I was a kid and my favorite cartoon show came to show me a upcoming clip from something i lost my my shit about i would have done that in my 30s also but though it's also funny so the pauses it and jeff jenkins points out that if you freeze frame it you can see that the animators drew their friends into it which now ian you would never draw yourself or your friends or loved one into a cartoon right no way no way you'd have to be very bored to do

that and very bored to find it and point it out yeah i think matt graining uh that's one of his personal pet peeves when when he's in these commentaries he's like that's an animator's friend in the background i can tell yeah that's like no my feeling on it is like who cares like let him draw these animators barely get to do anything in the show like let them draw their themselves into it right yeah it's super it's super funny to like you know when you're watching just some random cartoon and like you see a background character where you're like that's an artist's fursona for sure like they're too specific yes no yeah that's those are the fun ones we did that mortal combat the journey begins awful cartoon and there's a funny scene where they just pan over a bunch of unnamed fighters who are waiting around and there's a guy who's like huge buff dude ponytail

backwards hat and glasses and we're like well that's obviously that's an animator right there it is it is badass fighter character but yeah i wish grading shouldn't be so tamped out on that like let people draw themselves into shows like it's part it's part of fun and now it's something you just see on wikis people point out like oh look at that that's the the people like i mean yes but i i joke with you too because that like in in your shows you uh i i have definitely spotted ian types or other other people i know who were people who work on the show yeah i think well uh specifically for ko which was kind of inspired by like oc's people's original uh edgy uh internet characters uh you know we went full-on in with it and just like

let people you know hey if you want to donate your character to this show go for it um so we had a lot of fun with that but i think you know and it works on something like danger dog i don't know how well it works in other shows but i feel like all the like adult animated cartoons will do that eventually like i feel like like the first mission hill bill and josh are in it you know etc etc yeah they they that was smart of them first episode they're like we're drawing ourselves into it and voicing it at first episode we're not waiting for season two or whatever it is yeah i don't think it's said in the show but i feel like jeff jenkins is the voice of danger dog as well oh yeah i bet you're right yeah probably because i mean that had been happening in the 90s but now with the new

shows like family guy seth mcfarlane is the main character south park well they really can't afford to hire voice people on this cable show so it's madden trey venture brothers yeah yeah right yeah which actually yeah speaking of drawing themselves in the show i think on venture brothers i i always like that they they draw themselves into the show. And they're both the guys who work for the second in commands at OSI. No, not OSI. The guild. They're the guild liaison guys.

And it's just them drawn with Doc Hammer and Jackson Public with eye patches and crap drawn on them. But you can tell it's them. Yeah, there's them, but then also any two characters that talk to each other yes yes that too if two characters are talking to each other it's really just public and hammer talking through through that that's what's uh god i i really hope that listen every time you mention this henry it becomes less likely i i think you've tweeted about it eight times. Somebody from HBO max is going to see it. Yeah.

It seems to be flying under the radar. Let's just hope it's far enough along that they can't cancel it. Let's just all not mention it. Maybe it'll get made. Yeah. I, I just had a viral tweet about the episode that that was one of ian's uh was it your first episode of venture brothers you worked it was one of my first episodes yeah the um the one

yeah yeah with uh venture stein but yeah so then we have a little bit of q a which uh ian i'm sure you've uh enjoyed some q and&As in the past at conventions. I love Q&A. I always feel like enough with the panel. Let's just do Q&A. Because not every question is good, but every once in a while there's a good question. So you want to get to those good questions. Here they ask him what state does Danger Dog live in. The second joke this season about asking what state the Simpsons live in, which he just directly says Michigan.

And that's the question most kids are going to ask because a bunch of hands go down. And then Bart, of course, says that it's more important to him than school and church. This is when Skinner, I do love Skinner freaking out that the kids are having too much. This is basically independent thought alarm again. Also, Ian, I was going to ask when working on cartoons, how much of the day is spent eating candy and watching r-rated movies it's so funny because watching this i was like wow this is so relatable except for the part where he says it's really easy i feel like it's like a lot of work but then maybe i don't know he might be he might have a really nice budget and a lot of assistance so hey what do i know here jeff

jenkins might be working on a network uh budget it's true yeah also he says all i ever did in class was uh sit in class and doodle that one's true that one is true that one is true yeah it's fine your your danger dog was sonic the hedgehog it's true it really was and uh yes skinner prevents the lecture from going on any longer now but i i love his tossed off thing of like now those youngsters will throw their lives away drawing things that never were uh and then i think uh i think one of the best observations in this episode is that all the kids after seeing this are like i'm gonna make up my own character and they're all just ripoffs of danger dog like which is exactly what i did when i doodled even a little as like an eight-year-old i was like well i love garfield so i'll make up my own thing but it's a

fox that i mean he's drawn exactly like garfield as much as i can do that but uh it's it's not it's not a rip-off for sure i had the had the draw 50 famous cartoon characters book, and I would literally just draw the final step and then add sunglasses or a tail or what have you. Rustify them. I would say my childhood cartooning career hit a wall when we took out from the library how to draw Hanna-Barbera characters book, i get to like the first page and it's i'm trying to follow the directions on how to draw huckleberry hound i get like three circles in i'm like this is hard closed book oh hats are hard to draw oh god i didn't even get to the hat

so any artist that can get past that part that's they're more successful than me i also love bart saying i'm my own toughest critic but i think it's genius and it's cartoon like it it's just a fight and i mean it's a good bad kids cartoon too bart takes it to the comic shop thinking he's about to become a millionaire and this is when we get our big guest star, Stan Lee meets Bart Simpson. This comic strip is lame and derivative. I'll be the judge of that. Oh, Stan Lee. Creator of Marvel Comics? Greetings, true believers.

Oh, my heart is pounding like Thor's hammer on Dr. Doom's titanium-infused faceplate. Hey, aren't you the guy who was stalking Linda Carter? The term is courting. The restraining order says no-no, but her eyes say yes-yes. Let's see what you've got, son. My Spidey sense is tingling. It's that good? Whoa, did I say Spidey?

I meant stinky. Enough said. What did I do wrong? Oh, did I say Spidey? I meant stinky. Enough said. What did I do wrong? Oh, I don't know. Try everything. Now hold on, comic book guy. This boy's still finding his voice. So you're saying I should keep trying?

Absolutely. And if you fail, you can always open a comic book store. Stan Lee insulted me. But in Bizarro World world that means he likes me i have a lot to say on this one but first off he should not the button of the scene should not be a reference to bizarro world because that is dc comics yes he should make a marvel run there's so many dc references in this show yeah but before you go into it henry i do want to point out the obvious here that comic books have changed so much or rather things based on them have changed so much since this episode aired where the thing comic book guy says the reference to Thor's hammer and Dr. Doom's faceplate.

Those are no longer like, well, only an idiot loser nerd would know what this means. These are things in billion dollar movies, right? Absolutely. billion dollar movies right absolutely and uh they were on the brink of everything changing because uh yes batman made big movies but i think those are considered like a fluke because they tried different things they didn't work but then spider-man leads to the marvel universe and now we're living in the world where like half of all entertainment is this yes yeah i would i would say thor's hammer nothing like stan lee himself yes think maybe like when he cameoed in the original spider-man you had to say oh that's uh one of the guys who made spider-man but eventually like after he passed they could do like the entire studio logo is stan lee clips and

everybody's like we love stan lee like giving a standing ovation in the theater so yeah he even changed yeah i want to ask henry something really quick henry what do you think about like i don't know how it's spelled out in the script but i do think there's something funny about marvel comics creator because that could either mean you're a creator from marvel comics or the creator of marvel comics and i think they want it to be fuzzy on purpose yes yeah well okay this is a thing about stanley and i've i'm stealing this line that i read uh from a uh writer named chris sims but he said that stanley is both the most overrated creator in comics and underrated because he's overrated in that he was the guy who got all the press and the system of making marvel comics was he was the editor-in-chief and the scripter which

means you write the dialogue but the middle part was him going to a trusted artist usually jack kirby who i would say is a bigger genius creator than stan lee he would give jack kirby like hey i think the fantastic four should do this make a make the comic then jack kirby plot designs every character plots the entire thing out lays out every page and gets it done in under two weeks and he does all that and then stan lee then writes the scripting over it like writes all the word balloons and the the purple pros but also stan lee was the biggest booster of marvel comics he was the biggest advertiser of it marvel comics branding about like marvel we're better than those other guys it's all i can't even do that without doing

an impression of stanley's voice because he is what sold marvel comics so it's like he does get too much credit but also despite the fact that all those characters and and creations were great and it was main more artists than stan lee uh who i'd give credit to for that marvel being a successful enterprise i would say stan lee is just as responsible for that in the 60s any way of advertising it i i don't know how you feel yet i just i i noticed that also when i was watching that the term creator of marvel comics is just technically correct but it it doesn't ascribe too much to him but it also ascribes too much to him depending on how you take that line he's a creator of marvel comics is he the creator of all marvel comics it's kind of uh it's kind of ambiguous there

i mean i'm sure i'll go into it henry but his story is fascinating in that his success comes in his 40s he has to wait a very long time to become like he's older than us when he creates spider-man or co-create spider-man i know it's tricky i know yeah i i could go an hour on that but yes no stanley lieber like he was you know a wannabe writer in his late teens who gets hired at basically like his uncle, his uncle, or I believe a relative had a lot of influence at the comic company Atlas. And so he just probably he was thinking on my way to being the great American novelist, I'll write some of these comics. But they were all these like crummy, mostly it was either 40s comics of like captain america and then uh romance comics in the 50s and then in 1961 along with jack kirby he writes fantastic four number one which is a very different team style book than dc is doing with superheroes and i'm stealing another line from somebody alan moore

dc comics had one-dimensional characters marvel comics then comes along with two-dimensional characters and it blows everybody's minds like they've never seen a a care a two-dimensional uh they're not three-dimensional but they at least have like some real humanity to them and and it really comes through i mean though also it's because like the thing is one of my it goes spider-man and thing those are my two favorite comic characters i see him up there with fred and barney it's what i stare at whenever i'm here i'm sorry bob well also uh this is slightly embarrassing uh with here but uh i have i have fan art uh commissioned on the wall over there it's it's the thing hanging out with smoky quartz from steven universe because they i i saw them both as similar type characters who i if i have

to pick one character that feels the most like me on steven universe it might be smoky quartz i think uh but yeah i get that uh one thing like i mentioned uh mall rats earlier and i'm looking at stanley's roles uh this is really as his cameos start kicking off in the movies but the last time he appeared as himself was mall rats oh is that wow instead of just like man pointing at spider-man or whatever it's like hot dog it's like muppet babies mall rats and then this oh that's my aunt i know i say smoky quartz i know i'm ronaldo i don't care all right from steven universe but let me be smoky quartz please it's okay we're all ronaldo that's why we created that character but yes i also like stan saying did i say spidey i meant stinky and he says nuff said that's what he used to always say in stan's soap

box that was a sign off in it though also this is stan doing what we all know lovable stan lee uh as the character he was for like the last 50 years of his life but stanley up to about 1972 was the editor-in-chief of marvel and he was a guy who would look at art and say no do this better redo this like there's one of the things him and jack kirby didn't get along with was that he could sometimes be a tough editor on on on people's art and give them notes which you know i would never give jack kirby notes i just say do whatever you want jack kirby you're the genius here but there's two deleted scenes in this episode one was stanley where he lists all his other flops before he came up with spider-man which include astro bailiff

mosquito man and the fantastic 40 uh they didn't despite how much stanley is in this they actually didn't use an epi one scene of him in this and yes dr doom's face plate is titanium infused now this i'm talking about standard dr doom there are many different dr doom armors out there now you people are going to say but what about his flesh-toned ones made out of the skin of his old lover valeria or what about doom 2099's uh suit made out of futuristic tech i was gonna ask all those questions yeah sure but uh yes uh so bart then tries to come up with other ideas he sees a bat in the corner he then sees a green lantern uh and i love that marge this feels like Schwarzwalder writing this, Marge coming and says, what about Little Dot?

I mean, who'd even know? Before Marge said, that little girl sure loved Dots, I looked up Little Dot and like, what is Little Dot? It's like, it's about a girl with a fascination for round objects. And I hit play on the DVD and it's her saying, that girl sure loves Dots. And there's like 20 years of those comics yeah that's really the main thing you know about her is that she's not little audrey because she doesn't like dots little dot is different it wasn't there like a uh a very mean-spirited harvey comic about an overweight girl called little lada or lil lada yeah yeah no that's that's funny ian mentioned that too yeah that it was

marge is saying that you should rip off little dot when little dot is a rip off herself because harvey comics lost the rights to famous studio stuff which included little audrey which who people even fewer people know who little audrey is the right and little audrey herself is a ripoff of little lulu so it's like ripoffs upon ripoffs oh my god i think the thing we're missing though that i just realized is bart is looking for ideas to steal and instead of marge telling him have your own idea sweetie she's like steal this thing instead i was also trying to figure out well who owns little dot now my assumption is comcast because yeah for sure

harvey characters got bought by uh classics media and that got bought by DreamWorks and that got bought by Comcast. I'm pretty sure one or two years ago there was a Harvey Girls new cartoon that had Dot and Lotta and Audrey and like all those characters like redone for the 2010s or or something i'm pretty sure that exists i figure dreamworks bought that just so they could have rocky and bullwinkle and then they ended up like well i guess we own harvey now too yeah if anyone has a pitch on uh harvey character you know where to go uh but so uh then bart realizes he's got the cheat code a classic cartoon character is in his own front yard. He's got Homer Simpson right there having ridiculous maladies, battling a collapsible beach chair. Homer somehow lights himself on fire while doing it.

I do love how he says, well, I hope no one's drawing this. Bart naming the character Angry Dad also, that, I i mean that feels like the family guy reference of like family guy angry dad it feels like a similar just plain title uh type deal i don't know it's about to be shots fired a family guy with the next halloween show where there's bad clones of homer and one of them is literally just a drawing of peter griffin as it go back see though uh marge is right if you're trying to come up with an original idea just rip something off that's what literally everyone does like literally every famous uh creator of something they just stole it so just do that

and just shave off the edges and then like people will know even talking simpsons was stolen true yeah we owe so much to go bayside we really do but so yes uh we come back from the break bart is drawing homer all the time homer is taking it as flattering at first i love too that homer almost crashes the car and then says lousy minor setback this world sucks and that bart's drawing him in color too which is pretty impressive these are full color comics who is printing them i ask it's then you know speaking of things that feel like wait is this this isn't a joke about a family guy or south park style joke this is this is you guys doing a joke that you think is good when dinosaurs get drunk that just feels like a way it just feels

so rando like that feels like family guy rando like and gorgeous gorgeous animation on that drunk dinosaur it's like beautifully drawn there's some real sakuga later in this episode uh too with homer's transformation but yeah they wanted to have a parody but it's funny that they show you a clip of the show has been canceled, which does not ever happen. I'm not complaining. I think it's funny. It's just like, get ready for the show. By the way, here's another show.

I don't like love this episode. I think it's funny, but a lot of things from it. I remember I forget they're from this episode, including this boring world of Niels Bohr. This was like an avatar I had on the Something Awful forums for a while because I just think that picture is so funny. Oh, that's great. As we all know, Niels Bohr was a Danish physicist and Nobel Prize winner in physics in 1922. We all know this. Homer with his ice cream sandwich remote control mistake. I feel like I've once or twice mistaken an ice cream sandwich for something else. How long are they sitting around? How long does an ice cream sandwich for something else if you're how long are they sitting around what's what's how long does the ice cream sandwich exist after you take it out you know by

the third bite you got to put it down for a second to get a to clean your palate that's you see when i have an ice cream cone or something like that it's like well once i pick it up i'm committed this cannot be said then the taco you're you're stuck until you're finished it buddy that's it you better get ready to eat before you pick it up i no longer can have the ice cream sandwiches in my apartment the last time i did it i bought a like it was a pack of like oh only 100 calories each sandwich but then once they're in my freezer i'm like well two is it gonna kill me and then and then it's a snowball effect from there and so yeah i if i'm gonna buy ice cream sandwiches it has to be one one serving at a time i cannot trust myself with more now ian how important is it to draw stink

lines around a butt to complete a drawing is that is that important you gotta you have to be like very selective about your stink lines right like how stinky do you want it to be you know add some flies too. I would say. Oh, and flies are easy to draw. Yeah. So Bart is showing off his comic.

Everybody loves angry dad. Angry dad rocks. Arrgh. I'm angry. That's like something my dads would say. Simpson, you created a timeless comic character. Thanks, guys. Will you sign Martin's cast?

What cast? I won't be swimming this summer. Bark, this is just Dad. It's a composite character. Your dad, my dad, a little Maggie's dad. No, it's just Dad. Maybe Angry Dad needs a sidekick no at all sister can she have a pony and the last line in the scene bart did give her the last line of the scene how nice cute a really cute moment oh yeah i was gonna

ask uh is that a reference to bard of darkness with uh martin talking about swimming in the summer yeah he honestly he that episode shows that martin loves swimming in the summer even if he ends up getting his uh denuded but um yeah he loves it and now it's been right that makes it so much sadder that line like that it's not just that he's broken his arm, which I was a nerd who broke his arm in the summer, and it wasn't fun. And I had to come back to school still with it in a sling

and have to answer the same question every day for at least two weeks. Like, yes, I broke it. But yeah, no, poor Martin with his summer is ruined here. Also, this is the first reference to Dolph having two fathers, or at least two. He says dad, so who knows? It could be like a polyamorous trio of dads raising him. I would assume he has, the joke is Dolph has two dads.

Apparently it never came back again in the show that Dolph has two fathers married. Apparently his last name is like Moonbeam or Starbeam. I only know this because Nina and I were playing like Simpsons trivia at a bar, not like bar trivia, but like they had a trivia game there, an official one. And like a lot of the trivia questions

are lore from the Bongo comics. So like Ian Boothby, who was a previous guest actually gave uh dolph his last name in the comics but that transitioned to the trivia game so it might be canon now whoa yeah ian would have a real uh or ian boothby would have a real uh oh another yes yes when you really care about someone you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part.

Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care. Did I mention that we care? I do also like that how Bart addresses the obvious reference to Homer. Like, oh, it's a composite character. Like, this is the lie people say when they are making comedy about their family members. They go like, no, no, it's a composite. I guess maybe a little of my dad's in there but it's not it's not just him so yes uh ian i was curious too when bart takes uh the comic to comic book guy and he complains about the character being off model in every scene is how is that

is still something that uh online forum people can use a complaint a bit about they definitely do i uh it's different in comics also i feel like it might be more fun even to see a comic where the character looks different in every panel but yeah it's a it's a fun it's a fun uh complaint from him i mean i don't think it happens as much anymore but it used to drive me nuts online when i would see tweets or perhaps a tumblr or two that were like uh look at these bad drawings from this cartoon and they would be like either in-betweens or smears or something like that well it's like you have to know how animation works you need these drawings so things can move the right way but

it's people that just are freeze-framing looking for the worst drawings they could find well i trust your very smart audience will not be like those people they better not be yeah you know an example i can think of with uh a japanese series was yuri on ice which show i really enjoyed and i thought especially on a tv budget it had some really great animation but haters on the show online would freeze frame in-betweens where a character does look ridiculous if you pause it and to say like oh this your favorite show this is a show you think is so great it's like yeah yeah there you are i remember i remember yeah like even with like stuff like naruto people would like get a smear from a fight and be like sasuke's neck looks broken ha ha this is wrong you know but hey i uh if if it's a sub ziggy

penciling sometimes there might be some charm to that ziggy's still at it these days he's still at it now i well actually i think i may be wrong i feel like i feel like ziggy is one of those uh the son took over from the for the dad comics absolutely ian absolutely because i i had that inkling and i just type in ziggy and i see the go comics page today on ziggy comics by tom wilson and tom the second we have to like make a documentary about these poor children who i mean they're not poor because they're inheriting their comic fortune from their fathers but they have to do the same job there are so many like family members that are the comic is passed down to them and glenn keen got to escape that and draw all the

disney princesses instead uh also though this is where stanley returns uh and i'm shocked stanley well one i think it's dangerous to cast an old man on your show and make jokes about how he's losing his mind. You know, that's it might be. One, it's like, I don't believe Stan Lee up to his death, I think, still seemed like pretty together for a 96-year-old man. I like this more than the current treatment of guest stars. And by current, I mean probably for the past 15 years where there will be like one self-effacing comment about them but otherwise it'll be like basically just good pr for the celebrity basically like elon musk is the smartest man in the world yes but this reminds me of their treatment of adam west i'm not saying it's derivative of that but

i like it where it's like this person is a lunatic and they're not the lovable person you might know from like the TV show. They're actually just very unhinged and they're kind of disturbing to be around. And I like that they let him or he let them do that to him in the show. Yeah, it was really funny, but I couldn't help but think a little bit about Stanley's final days and the elder abuse stuff. And I was like, it hits a little bit differently but these are all funny jokes yes it turns out comic book guy was a much better caretaker than his own children oh god yes no i i love comic book guy i mean also it is a great arc for comic book guy that he goes from being so impressed and excited to meet Stan Lee to now he is sick of Stan Lee and he wished he'd go away.

Your penciling is sub-ziggy and the main character is off-model in every frame. However, I deem this wreck-worthy. Wow, I made it. My week-long dream has come true. Hold it, son. Wouldn't you rather have an exciting action figure? Ah, but only Batman fits in my Batmobile.

Are you nuts? The thing fits in there perfectly. Look, he's fitting right now. Stan Lee came back? Stan Lee never left, and I'm starting to think that his mind is no longer in mint condition. Ah, you broke my Batmobile. Broke? Or made it better? Oh, boy. I'm just excited to hear the voice of Data,

because we've talked about it before on his debut outing i believe bart's comet macarini hates data's voice database database doesn't they call data they shorten it so okay database database uh but yeah macarining does not like his voice which is why he didn't talk a lot but god i love hearing it it's such a funny nancy voice one she doesn't do a lot and i'm with database toy scale is important you can't put somebody in the batmobile he doesn't fit in there you can't put a he-man in the batmobile and yeah quotable episode uh broke it or made it better yeah yeah it's really and i i love too that they this stan lee goes through his whole life hating dc comics like

the joke earlier that he puts a wolverine comic right in front of a superman one and that he's still there hiding dc comics whilst humming the spider-man theme there's also a bit of a playful tiff on the commentary he's like don't get me started on wolverine yes because he did he did not create wolverine it's one of the the few biggies he didn't but uh co-create and also yes i have i'm showing it on the camera now i have basically the thing toy that they even to scale this would break a uh a batman uh batmobile yes but i gotta say uh well you're a professional voice actor what do you think of stan's uh grunting that he has to do that i think he think he does some good noises. Oh, he's great. I mean, you know, Stan is a natural.

As being such a pitchman and a spokesperson, I think he can do this really well. Like, I remember he was, I'm pretty sure he did the intros to, like, the Iron Man and Fantastic Four cartoons, like, the early 90s ones. And I remember he was really fun then, too. Like, he would pitch you, like, the entire episode, and he was really fun then too like he had he would pitch you like the entire episode and he was just acting he's he's great he is such a great yeah he did the same for

spider-man and his amazing friends also yeah i that was where i first heard his voice on stuff in the whole like oh did he take too much credit kind of thing another aspect to consider is that friends of jack kirby would even say like like Jack Kirby was kind of a shy guy. He didn't really like doing interviews or he would be a little like, oh, you know, I the is Stanley. The second the camera was on him, he's like, well, yes, I'll talk to you all day about this. Hey, yeah. Marvel Comics. That's right. Like Jack Kirby just wasn't as good. Sadly, he wasn't as good as interfacing with the media, unfortunately. And to say nothing of Steve Ditko, who literally never gave one interview his entire life, like who had just really wanted to be a.

Oh, well, I mean, he was a crazy objectivist. I'll just be honest about it. He did not want to be seen. There's also a Spider-man theme song joke uh predating spider pig by about uh five years the the only joke people remember from the spider-man movie or from the simpsons movie other than bart's penis i'd say uh so then bart's doing a signing at school uh ralph has a few uh simple ralph gags uh to be nice about it well when they yeah when they're uh coming up with their own characters the route the ralph gag is just him drawing all over himself with a nice

squeaky marker sound yes yeah and here he goes like i can't stand in line anymore as bart's doing his schoolyard signing a guy from the internet shows up boy they hate this character so much i feel like it's everything they hate about every like hip gen x uh internet person they ever talked to is poured into this man they humiliate him at the end of the episode but even and his soul patch but even in his first scene somebody has to derogatorily call him soul patch and punch him in the stomach like that's how much they hate this guy yeah i also like the bart says i'll be in cyberspace next to the nabisco cookie website and you can really see how much they hate this

this internet phenomenon because the site bart goes to is called better than tv it's like i can see in their head like oh you think you're better than what we do look what happened to you i feel like that that's the intention behind that uh that naming and of course you know now the simpsons lives as much online as it does on broadcast tv if not more so yeah i was joking with you uh i mean none of us can see the future and it's a bit unfair of us to laugh at uh you know 20 years ago their thoughts about the internet but you know we're getting paid to do it so i'm gonna do it anyways but uh they scoff at like internet content haha how silly what a failed idea of course we're living in the world where that's just the norm and also simpsons writers are making

branded internet content for disney plus yeah this is the world we're living in they are making webisodes now more than ever you're right yes yes we're we're always very close to the next west wing story oh god and in like in what let's say maybe five years five or six years after this episode the strike the writer's guild strike will be a lot about you know internet residuals like who gets paid on these webisodes we're making so it was just a delay in what would become the phenomenon is what this crash was well fortunately that strike sorted it all out and there's no more upset with any of the hollywood guilds and internet uh related money they figured it out we get a tour of a dot-com office where bart has the exact reaction they

want to someone to have there hey bart for a children's cappuccino? What up, man? This is my manager slash sister, Lisa. What up? Everyone here loves Angry Dad. It's just what we've been looking for. So what do you want to do with it? Bart, I'm not a woman, and I can't have babies, but I can give life to animated internet cartoons. Let me show you one of our hottest shows,

Bin Laden in a Blender. Well, it delivers what it promises. Now, Bart, we can't pay you salary, but we can give you stock. How's your company going to make money? Do you have a business model? How many shares of stock will it take to end this conversation? Two million. it is done

literally we have been in these meetings uh me and bob of saying like but how does this make money yeah exactly at the website we worked at the entry the answer in the end was the way it makes money is they trick a richer person to buy it from them like that's how it made money yes uh i mean not to rehash too many stories because we could keep you in here for another uh two hours but uh you know i'm paid for that a website to cover video games but i'm in meetings where i'm trying to come up with names of food items to give away for free at conventions yes um don't know how that makes money well it turns out uh well as of this recording they just laid off even more people yeah yeah this uh bin laden in a blender bit i really like because it's a nice mix of the uh joe cartoon frog in a blender that was like a classic one and then also the uh i guess it would

probably be that bin laden banana boat deo bin laden we're gonna drop the bomb on you song which were those were both really big right around that same time yeah i did a bit of research on this um the famous frog in a blender flash animation in which you controlled the speed of the blender and eventually could kill the frog while it kind of like mocked you that was released in december of 1998 so it'll be 25 years old this year and uh before the dot-com crash joe cartoon the website that hosted this was making nearly 25 000 a month on banner ads alone this is when internet ads could make money we have we have passed that that's like the reason why henry and i are on patreon is because internet ads can't make money yeah they can't pay people to do anything anyone

anything and that's why we're here uh so sorry i have one more thing to add and i don't want to linger on this but they're using so they hate this man so much the writers they just despise this internet executive and i understand why and they're bitter and they're like how do we make him even more gross like let's use the ammunition at a time he is also he also wishes he was a woman and i wish that joke wasn't in this episode again i don't want to linger on it but it kind of sails by you and you're like what was that but it's a transphobic joke there's that there's that and the earlier joke about uh when the cartoonist draws skinner as a woman or it's just like ah these are the times 2002 yes again it was 2002 i don't want to linger on it and

moan and groan but it just uh it takes you out of things you know i was so used to more upfront horrible jokes like that at the time that him wistfully saying i'll never be a woman and i can't have babies i didn't take that at first as trans i it absolutely is but it's it's not as in your face as some other ones that it kind of floated by me uh comparatively yeah and uh you know the frog in the blender thing uh it should be pointed out that the point of these very early flash cartoons the non-corporate ones the non-icebox ones were just violence uh one of the more popular ones was on new grounds it was the basically the columbine web cartoon slash game oh there you go yeah i remember and a lot of these were like cartoon slash games i mean technically frog in a blender was a game in that you just push the blender to

make it go faster a lot of the early new ground stuff was like assassination games like kill bob saget kill bin laden they were all like about murdering people or abusing animals isn't it insane that's what that that is it is effed up s that that used to be that way that was the old this was the old internet we all had to mature past eventually and some some didn't but most i like to think many did yeah it's hard to explain that uh that edgelord sense of humor you know right right now because humor is just very different i'm not saying it's better or worse it's just it's changed a lot absolutely yeah yeah this moment also felt in the episode felt like an innocence loss kind of moment to me where the not is lost but bin laden in a blender is the first joke that

feels like oh this is a joke written after 9-11 we've been watching these these episodes aired after 9-11 but they were written beforehand but this is finally a scene where it's like wait this is a joke made about being in the post 9-11 world and it it did make me a little sad i was like oh oh man yeah we crossed that line yeah i think we figured out like all futurama on fox is pre-911 at least in terms of writing yes yeah when we looked at the scripts that ian even for season four script dates on them are like april or may uh at the latest they just aired much later right they then have a quick joke about lu ral's secret agent which also feels there were a lot of like uh random celebrity ones

that back on new grounds back then some of which again had some real collar tugging in it i would say i felt like icebox had several that were just um like celebrity celebrity photographs that just were like puppeted with like their mouths moving right right which is just how south park did it so we can do that yeah the lou rawls he's singing uh there it's a parody of it's not lou rawls is singing it but it's a parody of you'll never find another love like mine which is a nice song though i don't know rule lou rawls more for his garfield work me too right that's basically all i know you say lou rawls and i'm like right the garfield man the guy's saying in the first tan garfield special you could really describe garfield yeah here comes garfield he did come well that's wrong coming out hey you're right yes

also in a bit of uh obviousness they draw dan castellaneta into the show as the voice of angry dad it's just him but him and his you know not camera ready like hats and sunglasses out look i was i was very impressed that they didn't call it out yeah it's uh uh though if you knew what he looked like it yeah but they don't say hey don't you look like this when yardley smith appeared in the show as a joke about her podcast they say like hey you sound like somebody like no i don't anyway move that deal that way and hey uh 2012 seemed like a distant year the year when dan castellanet will be paid for this it's also at this point on the commentary where they the mask the friendly mask on stanley slips a little bit and they get him to talk shit about

spider-man 3 it's really funny he says like uh yeah the sandman he should he shouldn't be giant i think he's better when he's he's human sized and also they completely forgot the storyline with his daughter and then he goes like but if anybody from marvel's listening i thought the movie was great uh it's see stanley never he knew he had these mean things to say about stuff but he also like knew he had to be mr friendly stanley all the time uh i i wanted to hear more of this this uh angry had that marvel film uh but speaking of anger you could see the anger that they had over these uh the competition and internet cartoons because the joke here is like oh the computer just does everything for you right you press a button and it is fully colored i mean i think

this is what executives want the future of content to be like we tell the ai to make your show or to write your article or whatever well we're on our way there don't give them any ideas well they've had the ideas for years now they just have the technology to make it happen yeah now me and bob are just talking about like how long until they can fake a podcast with all the words said oh god we can take the week off you cannot ask how these things make money like and you just get handed more stock to shut up like okay and that the stock is completely worthless to the point that it's toilet paper but it goes viral before they even have the word for it it goes viral it's such a hit that even crusty who represents old media is scared and so he has to bring on that creature that always chews on his

crotch susan anton no a lemur haha is just susan anton was an it girl from the 70s uh who i think had by 2002 she had committed the crime of getting older and so they had to make a mean joke about her here it is just a random name probably pulled out of dana gould's head because he seems like the 70s tv star knowledge base on the show uh and then uh it becomes so viral even homer learns about it oh what a day maybe the headlines will cheer me up that's opinion not news that guy's hilarious i especially like his white shirt and blue pants. Wait a second. Angry Dad is me!

Yeah, didn't you know? You've been world famous for an hour now. You're the internet's number one non-porto site. Which makes you ten trillions overall. What kind of a monster would humiliate me like this? This has been a Bartoon presentation in association with Icarumba Entertainment. Why that little...

It's a good gag. I kept that in there because Homer leaves screaming the exact way Angry Dad screams in that title card. Or in the company card, I should say. Ian, how much work goes into developing a title card that goes into the end of a cartoon? Oh, gosh. I don't know. I mean, we spent a lot of time on our, like we had a Cartoon Network. We got to make the logo where the Cartoon Network Studios logo opens up.

And we spent a ton of time on that. Time we probably didn't have. I think it was like nights and weekends sort of thing but yeah it's uh that's very important if you get a vanity card go for it yeah i like bart bart has double vanity cards too like he's got bart has two companies for some reason for making this and yeah even mr burns like this uh likes this cartoon also lenny and carl couldn't even imagine the advancements in internet pornography since 2002 as they as they talk about we're just looking at pictures in 2002

over even on a high speed thing you're not getting quality video as we as i've heard from an older boy of course um so homer then gets stopped while driving everyone is terrorizing him to make him angry like the cartoon uh question for you henry you said there are two deleted scenes do you know what the other one was i i do but it's it's later okay yeah because when they send homer into one of his trademark fits as they say we cut to a shot of three very distinct people laughing and i'm like are they from a cut scene because they are like very detailed characters there's the one i the one that drew my eye was the woman with the uh headset yeah but no the the

other deleted scenes at the end of the episode so i'm not saying there's not a deleted scene there because it definitely seems like something got cut but it didn't put it on the dvd maybe something was cut before animation but that those three characters remained in the laughing scene. It could be something like that. But Homer closes a door on his wrist, seemingly breaking it, though. Don't worry, he's fine in the next scene. My favorite bit in this whole scene is that Moe,

Moe's saying like, hey, I'm angry, Dad. Crashing the car, it instantly gets on fire, and he's laughing as he's burning to death inside of a car. They got a huge laugh out of me it's great i mean mo's laughter is always funny but uh so then it cuts to home bart and millhouse are watching the cartoon together which man bart bart's watching his cartoon at home with his pal like that uh it did really this really sums up like how we interacted with the internet in 2002 and yeah it was very obvious and commonplace back then. But now it's like, okay, let's go to the room with the computer and sit down together and both look at the same thing. And instead, I'll be like in the same room with my wife and I'll just like send her a link to what I'm watching via discord and she'll open it up on her phone across the room yeah with my husband sometimes it's been like i tweeted a thing and i just said hey did you see that thing i tweeted like yeah i just read it i read it before

you said that while we're both looking at our own screens yeah a lot of what i say to my wife is look what i just tweeted uh but uh yeah barton millhouse though they're broing out 2002 style sitting in front of a computer together and uh homer charges into the scene oh it's also funny bart too he's voicing a character in his own show already like he's like he plays burns i love how obvious it is that bart is voicing burns in the scene and so yes uh they say that they'll make it into a motion picture that's a plot of a sequel episode that's right yeah which i'll i watched that whole episode i'll i'll give a mini review at the end here but i like that homer is mad that john goodman is too obvious of casting he's like i think once john goodman played fred flintstone

he was finally free now john goodman is just one of those guys you see him and stuff like oh it's john goodman how nice i'm glad he's still around he's great he's he is i welcome john goodman every time i see him on screen and then homer is being told to uh he's he has a problem with anger over says i'm passionate just like all us greeks homer is not greek uh to to our knowledge on the show uh another thing matt graining hates as much as uh artists drawing their friends into the show is animal violence so i was shocked to see they did have the joke of homer punching snowball too i i think they only get away with it because snowball too does not react or appear in pain in any way the punches are weak but i do that's the great line like look

you're punching the cat right now yes i think there's a similar joke again they're not ripping off themselves or whatever just similar joke where homer's like do i have a problem with wade and marge like you're eating a giant sandwich right now oh yes whatever episode that was oh yeah it was a sausage oh sausage yeah it was the hunger strike one yeah yeah but i i love the the idea of rage a hall i'm a rageaholic yeah i love that line i feel like that's a line that has outlived this episode or people don't remember for the episode but when they say i'm a rageaholic yeah i love that line i feel like that's a line that has outlived this episode or people don't remember for the episode but when they say i'm a rageaholic i'm addicted to rageahol or i just can't live without rageahol yeah honestly that line just having you know i'm

a blankaholic i can't live without blankahol you can basically just put anything in there i mean it's a great observation of like oh yeah when people say they're a chocoholic it's like well you're not a yeah you're not drinking chocohol it's yeah it's alcoholic it's because of alcohol ick i also love homer's light of light after being told the first step is admitting it is it also the last step no the last step is quitting and then he gets mad again yeah he's he's he's homer is really shaking his fist this season it's it's a real like because if he is type season though i wish i feel like there is a better joke there that they home march saying you should be giving up fatty foods i said anger all the mouth movements are off i feel like there's a funnier line there yeah i wonder what used to exist there now i think

they're aware of it but this this new plot that's being introduced is very very similar to this season's jaws wired shut in which homer uh through certain circumstances must change his behavior and become less impulsive and more peaceful and in this case it makes his life worse yes in the in the first instance it made him better more in touch with his family etc but in this case it nearly kills him But at this point, Homer is on horse tranquilizers. Where the hell is that soothing music coming from? Homer, what's going on? I gave up anger forever. From now on, I'm into candles, soft music, and horse drag wear.

Great Pauly on his wet hands smacking her. Here's a funny thing. So looking ahead at the show, the show does get a little more down to earth after the after this season but people i love when they're like oh yeah aljean comes back season 13 back to the family back to more realistic stories and here it's like homer is high on abusing drugs in the bathtub nearly drowns and then like slaps march's face with his wet soapy hands no less wacky than anything in season 12 the sight of homer slipping down into the water got a huge laugh out of me and then in the previous

scene marge bouncing quarters off of the bed and they rocket into the ceiling that also got a huge laugh out of me that's like a weird another weird marge has too much free time joke and she's too addicted to cleaning she's like i have to do it so perfectly that it's not that a quarter would bounce off it that it would stick in the ceiling multiple times uh and also i love her anger like she's so pissed off at hearing that soothing music where the hell is that soothing music coming from you know that is a real cheat to relax it's like just take a lot of horse tranquilizers i mean churchill downers they call them that's that's a great joke and homer should yes the problem is homer should be medicated for his anger issues

yes but not horse tranquilizers he almost in march saves his life there but but yes then we have a very john swartzwolder joke of homer having his happy walk down the street and then he gets hit by the paper boy, the milkman and the piano lady. And we see the first appearance of the Rageboils. Ah, yes. A little popping out. Pushing back in. So watching the Rageboils, it instantly reminded me of, I don't know if you guys remember this show. It was like a Klaski chupo part cartoon

that aired on nbc it was called stressed eric and it was literally this idea it was like a person who they had a vein in their head and when they got dumped on in the show the vein would get huge and then strangle them and that was like the end of every cartoon and watching this i was like hey they stole that from stressed eric which i'm pretty sure hank azaria was on yes actually he was eric wasn't he it was a british show they only redubbed the main character with hank azaria right right right and also while uh hank azaria is playing danger dog i was like i wonder if hank was thinking about his uh brief role as hollywood dog oh he wouldn't have the show if he wasn't on hollywood he wouldn't be on simpsons with a hollywood dog he'd be on like season uh 13 of hollywood dog hollywood dog the

attempt of some executive saying we can do roger rabbit as a regular tv show how hard can it be yeah watch the pilot online or don't i wish i could remember the quote that the child in that pilot says about hollywood dog it's like hollywood dog never slows down his life isn't on cruise control or like something insane like that but yeah no you thank you for reminding us of stressed eric yeah you're right this This is the similar buildup of an episode of Stressed Eric, which I can see why in America that was not a hit show of like, let's watch a guy suffer for an entire... It's such a British dark comedy style.

A guy suffers for a full half hour and then he's dead at the end of it, consumed by his anger, his suppressed rage the entire time. Homer should try working out to deal with the stress. You know, that's always helpful. bart is getting pretty pissed off of this i have a quick clip here just because uh it's funny timing on this one come on angry dad get angry don't make me do a clip show this is one episode removed from their last clip show gumbo was the one right before it and it was which has the line in the song, sorry for the clip show. We knew what they were doing here.

I mean, Ian, in today's television market, clip shows are basically dead, right? I mean, yeah. The most you can get away with is most shows have an unaired pilot, and you can maybe use some clips from that in in a full episode which we did do on ok ko regular show did it and uh adventure time wasn't able to do it because their pilot was on another channel um but it's something you could do so that that's an easy way to get away it's technically new to kids who probably didn't see the trip yeah and yours allowed you guys to do a great joke about the kennedy cartoons kick yes bart is uh stuck for ideas he can't bart is also this show shows the limits of bart's creativity he literally has no show without copying exactly what his father

does like they should be hiring writers honestly better than tv.com should have been hiring high-priced simpsons writers to write episodes of this show they should have been hiring high price simpsons writers to write episodes of this show they should have been poaching danger dog writers yeah get the get a co-ep on that show and i bet they'd sign up for a six-month uh gig there's a there's a nice round story there about bart having a writer's room and they all go back to uh ep danger dog for the rest of their lives there's something there they have more specific jokes about that in the angry dad sequel episode but first ned uh pitches uh singing songs to homer you know i wish they'd come up with a

different song because this is just the one from homer the heretic i think they forgot they they use that song in that episode of the the noah's ark song it is an existing song though i i just saying pull up a different song for ned to sing to annoy homer we've we've heard it before though in homer the heretic we did not get to hear the lyric about kangaroo z's rusees so that's different let's give him that bart instead has to set up a super big trap for homer which he's gonna we see him setting up the end of it with the scissors over the pool uh and this is another line that i hear all the time but separate from this episode i'm not a nerd nerds are smart which is you know for all of us with

with glasses like millhouse it is an important thing you need to say like no no i'm a geek i'm not a nerd nerd is smart yeah this is a classic line uh in this episode yeah uh of course it's a classic for millhouse too it's uh yeah no wonder it stuck with the very many nerds and dorks and geeks who who love the simpsons they head over back to the internet office and the bubble has burst i first as all these repo men are taking out all the internet office stuff this literally is happening right now twitter is auctioning off their uh their office supplies on an auction website like chairs and things right there's uh a like a planter that's the at symbol like all of their office desks like and i mean you know they're high

quality desks and they're getting like i don't know if i if i was an idiot with more money instead of just an idiot maybe i maybe i would buy a ten thousand dollar table and be like hey you know this is the big office table from twitter that's the sign of a successful website that they're selling off their office furniture yeah it's funny it's funny how uh we have not i mean this episode is from 2002 uh 20 years we have not devised a better way to make businesses because it's all still exactly like this you make a startup you go public you get a ton of money and then you try to figure out how to make how to pay people and then you just go bankrupt it's like everything or you find someone uh stupider than you and then sell your business

before you before they realize what it is how much money it's yes and then they go down yeah and it's it's crazy too that all of this jokes about expensive office furniture it's like even after a lockdown that made everybody work from home, they still are investing millions in just having like, no, we have to have $7,800 chairs. 70 chairs all have to cost $800. We can't buy a cheaper chair. I've heard that tip of like, oh, if you live in the Bay Area like us, keep an eye out on Craigslist because every quarter, a giant company will shut down and be selling really great office chairs for like 50 bucks a piece. Oh, yeah. You just have to pick it up yourself. If you're okay with having a chair someone sat and cried in.

But yes, Bart learns that bubbles can burst in our next clip. Oh, my God. What happened? They want belly up like all the other internet companies. Looks like the bubble burst. Bubbles can burst? Yeah, but it's a golden age for the repo business. One that

shall never end. Bart, it's over. Ow! What do you mean it's over? We're bankrupt. The stock is at zero. But I have 52 million shares.

What's 52 million times zero? And don't tell me it's zero! Bard, it's not about how much stock you have. It's about how much copper wire you can get out of the building with. Guys! Looks like you can't retire by age 12. Yeah, but at least now that my show's canceled i don't need material so there's no need to lure my dad into the trap i set for him the trap i i also think

this is the writers on the show complaining that they took deals that paid them in stock and they're mad that their stock ended up as zero well you were talking about this henry online at some point but i'm also sick of uh people's wealth being evaluated and how much stock they own i mean money isn't real but can you turn that all into money at any time you want i don't know about that and this came to me over the holiday break because i was talking with my mom and we were of course talking about the guy who owns twitter who sucks we all know him but yeah there were news she she had mentioned like yeah there's news things that say he's not even the richest guy anymore and then i told her like

well yeah the new richest guy is just some french guy who owns a company whose stock is worth more now it's not i mean it's not like the guy isn't has a lot of liquid money as well but it just it's like yeah stock a made-up value that is like well guy owns 10,000 shares of a thing we say is worth a million dollars a share or whatever. That's silly numbers. But you know what I mean? It feels like bullshit that the richest guy can be measured in stock now instead of I know rich guys don't actually have a bin full of money like Scrooge McDuck. And they should. But they should.

They should be measured in that. they really should yeah i mean the bubbles can burst that all the money's worth zero i also love what's 52 million times zero and don't tell me it's zero uh and yes retire by age 12 those are also all of the like time magazine headlines like a billionaire at 22 now that we've learned what happens when you say become a billionaire at 2020 at 22 owning say paypal you don't retire and go away you become an asshole who ruins everything for everybody the people engineered to become billionaires they also love going to meetings and running those meetings they like having regular work days instead of exploring the fruits of the world and we we're all mortal, by the way. We're all going to die. They're like, I want to go to my job every day and have meetings.

It's sick. Insane people. Yes. Yeah. That jerk who made the Oculus. I think he did just cash out and go on vacations everywhere. I think he made the right choice, even though he's, again, I think that guy's probably a jerk, but he at least went away.

Oh, there's no probably about it. Yeah. Oh, yes. Okay. I'll take away that properly we see homer singing mellow yellow the second donovan song in this season uh reference uh notable because in the late 90s a few years before this it had been recently repopularized by a gap campaign oh right i always forget the thing he's like quite rightly which i love how how Homer overemphasizes, like quite rightly, just so you know.

So then Homer falls for the very stupid thing of free donuts in the tree house. It is like he is in an Angry Dad cartoon. This feels like them making fun of how obvious it is to make Homer angry all the time. Homer goes through a big prank pile. So here's the other deleted scene. And this one I do wish they'd kept in there are extra things that torture homer one is crude cutouts of patty and selma

with bart imitating their voices saying like he's even fat or upside down that's really good there's a beer pitcher that's uh that homer tries to drink out of but because he's upside down he doesn't realize he can't drink it and the best one though is homer says like oh a candy bar grabs it takes a bite and he says oh butterfinger oh that rules throws it away and then he says on the bright side i didn't swallow any that's all yeah i guess in in sweets and sour marge they thought like we we've done enough damage to butterfinger not even the fire wants it not even the fire it's really see isn't that a great joke about i wish they were meaner to butterfinger i was sad to find out though but yeah it's uh check it out on the dvd it's really funny so yeah this is all an elaborate way to get homer to

become the incredible hulk and on the commentary aljean said like oh well when people saw the promo image for this episode which is homer as the hulk everyone online was like saying the show jumped the shark the show was over and he's like no we worked really hard to make him into the hulk for 10 whole seconds yeah now man so the sakuga i was talking about meaning very good animation when homer smashes through the fence like don't know, it is definitely a step above there for all of like 10 seconds. Like Homer has, you know, extra shadowing on him. He moves in like, I feel like with more frames of animation than the usual amount they do

on the show. I don't know if that was it to your guys' eyes. Oh, definitely. Yes. It's a very good looking scene. Yeah, it. Yes. It's a very good looking scene. Yeah, it's gorgeous. I mean, you know, I still say like Simpsons, no matter what you say about it, there will always be like some some top notch draftsmanship within every episode. There's like one at least one or two things where you're like, oh, wow, someone really did something amazing there i i think there was at least one artist or two on the animation side going like oh homer is the hulk i've been dying to draw this i'm gonna make this look as awesome

as possible and also in 2002 we have to point this out the like cultural memory of the hulk was like oh that old corny show uh with lou frig no that was it it wasn't like oh a major player in the mortal universe uh which is why like like it was just a cheesy thing i think family guy did a joke where the closing credits were just stewie like walking away down the road it was like a live action desert he was walking away to the music yeah oh yeah that way in that episode they meet some piano player who's just like oh now do the now do the incredible hulk theme and he acts out the walking and then they put it over the credits too it's totally the family guy joke of i'm gonna out the walking and then they put it over the credits too.

It's totally the Family Guy joke of, I'm going to say the name of a theme, play the theme of this show, and then we'll just fully recreate it. And that'll eat up 30 seconds. When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part.

Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care. Did I mention that we care uh see now i'm back to they say that on the commentary too they they're mocking family guy in the commentary because stan lee is saying all this crap about dc and then mike reese is saying like oh dc comics is for you is family guy for us and then and then stanley says oh but i love dc comics and then mike reese goes like oh we we love family guy too oh we love it yeah they have no idea that they'll be doing a crossover at the end of the decade yeah but i mean speaking of obvious call outs they do have let me say look it's the incredible hulk now ian i was going to ask you what your take on this was mine was yes it is to set up stanley coming out and saying that's not the incredible hulk

but i think it's also to tell viewers to signal the parody because uh it's 2002 some people might not know about this character that's fully understandable yeah i don't know if the promo if you're gonna you're gonna cut that in but when i was watching it i was like oh that seems like that's a line for the promo to like just put in under footage of homer is the hulk yeah yeah i think i it definitely i think comes at least from a point a place of fear that not everyone in the room will get it which i wish uh you know they should have a little more confidence in general but also now they can do entire episodes that are they they can do jokes just about like kevin feige's hats because they're like oh that's people know what we're talking

about when we say kevin feige's hat yeah or well so they spent an entire episode about just going to jj abrams's bad robot Production Company and they just say it by name. I guess I know what Bad Robot is. So Homer punches a couple things and then is instantly tackled. Does no damage. Yes, despite what Marge says later. He punches a light post,

he punches a parking meter, and that's it. They do not move. And then we have one final scene of Stan Lee and he's, he really goes for it here. He can't be the Hulk. I'm the Hulk.

Oh, please. You couldn't even change into Bill Bixby. Come on. Damn it. Change. Forget it. I really did it once yes yes i just wished you had the power to leave my store almost had it there yeah so stanley's second appearance on the show would be in season 25 and 2014 oh i forgot he came back right he uh he officiates the

wedding of comic book guy to kumiko nakamura uh in an episode that uh it's cast very differently than they would now uh with every japanese character in it uh i also think i've seen more recent episodes where i think they write kumiko with a bit more depth yeah they do i saw the one where comic book i was struggling with the idea of fatherhood which shows you how far the character has come in 20 years uh but in her first appearance she is just like the manic pixie dream girl who shows up to be like oh i love you for you and you're so cute and i'm the perfect comic artist to fall in love with you it's just like all right all right i mean it's all just to set up a lengthy miyazaki in the simpsons parody which is fun and all like and it certainly

got you know it went it went a little viral the clip but i'm at least glad that now kumiko nakamura is actually voiced by a japanese american actress i think i love the implication that every character that stan lee made he transformed into one time and he's trying to recapture that magic by turning it into a comic book uh he's like i did it once really i did i'm reading online here and i forgot about this i'm sure we reported on it but like they actually wanted stan lee to be in the loki shorts the simpsons disney plus loki short they had the audio but marvel's like no no uh and they and then this article i'm reading on movie web uh al jean is talking about uh another note they gave for the star wars episode he's like you know what those notes made a lot of sense and we love listening to notes notes are great from disney

and we welcome all of those you know the simpsons they famously take notes on things if you listen to old commentaries you won't hear al jean complaining about notes from the disney corporation absolutely not oh you wouldn't we'll talk to you someday don't worry yeah but we'll trick you into talking to us somehow but yeah stan stan is always connected to comic book guy and again well also i love that al gene on the commentary is forced to admit that the reason he got a no prize is because he because he pointed out an inconsistency in a marvel comic because that is what drives him insane about the simpsons that simpsons fans it's just all back around again it drives gene crazy that there are comic book guy types who point out mistakes in the

show but that was him when he was a kid and that's fine it's great that he has to admit it on the commentary but yes this leads to an angry happy ending barge your prank cost 10 million dollars in damages i know i'm sorry sorry for Saving your father's life? What? It's true. You see, these boils on Homer's neck are pent-up rage. If Bart's trap hadn't set Homer off, the anger would have overwhelmed Homer's system.

You mean I shouldn't punish Bart at all? Why, if anything, he should punish you. Huh? Hmm. Okay. Well, son, I want to show you how grateful I am. Let's go fishing. Who knew that anger was saving my life? Say it. Don't spray it. You're trying to get me angry. Thank you. You're not welcome. I love you, boy. You love a boy. Stop it now.

If you love me so much, why don't you marry me? That's a good one. Quartz had better material. Yeah, end on light homophobia. That's where I go with that. But I think my favorite line in that is Hibbert saying, well, if anything, he should punish you. And I was like, you okay i love her reaction

uh but yeah so it it also is funny that the writers on the show are just like actually being angry is good and you need to express it don't don't deal with it in any other way but just be furious all the time yeah it's really it's really funny uh hibbert really yada yada is that uh moral it's just kind of like okay sure whatever we got to see him turn into the hulk i'm happy and i love the the full family goes what that's most lines uh and and yeah too the 10 million in damage is clearly adr there's no damage done by homer i maybe that was the police budget they're all working overtime okay yeah we're gonna assign that much overtime to it i see so that wraps up the episode i did want to mention yes the season 22 episode angry dad the movie

it's full of all of your favorite movie stars in it uh ricky gervais russell brand all the best guys who were it was it was cute at the time to have them i mean to say but uh but yes i do really like how it captures post.com bubble bursting because the plot of it is that the company that sold all the office chairs to the company after it shut down they got none of their money back so they got to own the rights to all the cartoons on the website so the chair company hires part to make a movie of angry dad i do remember seeing this a few years ago and the best part of it is uh the little parodies in the in the cartoon they work there's a pixar parody in there that looks very expensive to quote mr dink very fun

and then the argument party is very good too that's it yeah actually that's even better those parodies are good and i i feel like that was like a post simpsons movie episode right i think it is pulled from their life experience of having the longest daycare nominated for and the short oscar and going on tours for it right they probably had a lot of plans of like okay so when we win this oscar who's given the speech turns out didn't matter no they didn't win the oscar they did not give the speech but and i think too in the episode there's a little of the jealousy of like why does pixar win every short uh short form animation why is it always that yeah i remember it ends with like a sweet thing of saying like oh tons of people worked on this stuff so let's cut up the emmy and give it to everybody which i would like to see them do

that yeah they cut it they cut it down with like a uh a deli slicer just for little tiny cuts on it and they have a joke in there about uh certain voice actors phoning it in for table reads because they're doing the table read for the angry dad movie and homer's gonna be the voice actor but he doesn't show up for the and he's like no i gotta be the plant guys i'll i'll just call it on speakerphone so So it's just Bart, like at a Simpsons table read saying, and Homer's on speakerphone, but I think it'll be all right. I mean, how much more inside can you get? Well, actually, even more inside in the episode, they have a list of boring places to go to in LA that only if you live in LA do they make any sense as jokes.

Wow. I'll give him credit. The Angry Dad one, one i think did a good joke about what happens to something that was big in 2002 how does it even get a movie made like 12 years later right uh i wish ricky gervais didn't just get to riff for like two whole full minutes in the episode of whatever he does that yeah he wrote his own episode of the show he did we'll get to it i didn't make this up uh this episode though uh i think it's a great time capsule and it's also very funny and a shocking amount of lines i remember to this very day are from this episode

so i give it a lot of credit for that maybe it's the john swartz welder magic and it's nice to see that webtoons did not work for big corporations who did not know how to market them or make them. But then the tools were used by independent artists to do great things. I think the same thing is true of podcasts because they all started out under corporate banners for the most part. And now the people used to do that under corporations are now doing them independently and doing better work. God damn damn it so that's my own thoughts on this all the this bubble bursting thing is still feels like we're on the verge of it happening with the remaining giant media podcasts right now as they all realize that unless you're two different

podcasts you don't actually make a hundred million dollars off of a podcast which is what iheart media or spotify would like podcasts to make and if you pay a prince to make a podcast he won't do it he might do a couple but it actually no it took him two years to make one right i mean but it was a long process yes i agree with you bob on the time capsule aspect i think it explains a very interesting inside thing at the time going on in animation that is uh fun to look back on also yes as a mega nerd just like al jean who wants to who dreamed of being given a no prize by stan lee but that never got to happen i did like the dorky comic book stuff in here it's sad and i'm just sad it's not for me anymore. It's not in my little niche group anymore.

It's now everybody's thing. That's my question for you, Henry. I was thinking about this, and I do want to hear what Ian thinks as well after you answer this. But I'm sure it meant a lot to you that these things are celebrated, but now they're no longer yours. Do you feel conflicted about that? I do feel conflicted. Yes, I do. I still get the fun. Some Marvel movies are better than others but when they hit

with references and bullshit in it i do still clap like a seal like i like i i still feel in touch with the kid who dreamed of i wish i could see venom in a movie or whatever you know i i grew up dreaming of that and now it was finally. I still kind of feel that love of it, but especially with the extra niche characters, the best example I have is Spider-Ham. When I was growing up, I was like the only person who knew Spider-Ham. Nobody knew Peter Porker, the spectacular Spider-Ham. Then comes out Spider-Verse, a great film I love. You can listen to a podcast.

We talk all about how much I love that movie. And it made spider ham a household name and everybody knows him now there used to be no spider ham merch now there's a ton of it and it doesn't feel as special so yes bob it does lose a bit of its specialness but i still i can still feel a bit of my childhood love of these characters uh a bit uh the worst part of it is for me now that it just feels like it never stops i can never i'd like to sometimes take a break from the train and i know i can miss something if i want to but but it feels like i'm punished by the films if i don't see what the

newest or whatever only in death will you be free content machine i know how i know how you feel but in a way it's really better for everyone because you know we grew up with the comic book movies that had to hide that they were comic book movies and they had to put the x-men in black spandex or black leather and make fun of the fact that they were comic characters and now at least it's like yeah this stuff is mainstream but at least we get versions of the characters on the screen that actually are the characters we like you know seeing spider ham on screen and being like oh he's doing animal puns just like spider ham like a real like the real character that was like really fun yeah i i agree while henry was talking i was looking around the

apartment here because i know you have a spider ham somewhere and i'm looking to see where he's hiding in the hallway there you're always in the hallway okay i'll see him on the way out it's it's a fun toy of him smelling a pie and floating in the air oh but sorry yeah we got sidetracked oh your final thought on this episode again i would say yet another episode where you know if you asked me fresh out the box what i thought of this episode i would be like well that's past the prime that's not an episode i think about i don't really care about it but then watching it again rediscovering that there's a lot of great lines from it a lot of really quotable lines from it and i found myself smiling throughout the whole thing and laughing at

like all of the stan lee scenes and then a lot of the animation was great and a lot of the animation jokes were really great this was a really fun one to watch i really loved coming back to it yeah surprising yeah you live you lived this episode and now you can enjoy it with different uh from a different viewpoint than in 2006 but thank you so much for joining us ian. Please let us know where we can find you online if you want to be found. And also, if you can mention anything that you've been part of lately, whatever you want to plug, now's your time. Yeah, if you want to find me online, my handle is at IanJQ on most things. I'm not going to tell you where, you'll have to find me.

Try and find me. And oh man, I have a lot of irons in the fire right now nothing that's gotten made yet soon i'll be able to uh plug something but uh i would like to just plug neon white again currently uh amazing game just came out on ps5 and xbox it's a super great game and i do voices in it and it's really funny if you want want to have fun playing a freaky first person shooter, check out Neon White. It looks great. Actually, the weird thing about that is I rent an office in the city just to get some work done outside of my apartment. And on the TVs in the hallways, they often show ads and I've been seeing ads for Neon

White. So someone has bought Neon White ads for my office. I had no idea what it was until I looked it was and that you were part of it too you know yeah with animation i've seen i was just seeing uh folks i follow on twitter say like hey the show i was i've been working on since last july has finally been announced this is this is unnamed project that was on my linkedin everybody it's a long uh it takes a while in animation let's just say uh like every single studio has had insane corporate upheaval uh which has slowed things down a lot so hey maybe someday i'll make cartoons again i'm i'm working on stuff right now very soon

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