Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - I'm Goin' to Praiseland With Bryan Quinby

Episode Date: December 22, 2021

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I'm your host, the baptismal pool lifeguard, Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today? Hey, it's Henry Gilbert, a fan of toxic super freakouts. And who is our special guest on the line? I'm either Brian Quinby or Murder Brian, depending on who you ask. And today's episode is I'm Going to Praiseland. All right, let's welcome this evening's entertainment. They call her the Christian Madonna, Rachel Jordan.

Today's episode aired on May 6, 2001. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh,, Bobby. Sum 41's first album makes a big splash with Fat Lip. Destiny's Child Survivor is burning up the music charts. And Robert Blake's wife, Bonnie Lee Blakely, is murdered outside of a restaurant. And almost four years later, Blake will be found not guilty of the crime. So yes, this is the famous Robert Blake murderer case begins here. I think he was another one of those guys where you forgot about it after 9-11

and then it came back. Like, oh yeah, that happened before 9-11. Like a Robert Blake thing. People expected me to remember Beretta. And not familiar with that show at all. No. He was not an OJ Simpson level murderer. I was more interested when at all. He was not an O.J. Simpson level murderer. I was more interested when I

found out he was like Anne Alfalfa. Not the original Alfalfa, but Anne Alfalfa. I just thought he was a little rascal. I just would be like, he's a little rascals guy. I never really watched The Little Rascals because I'm not 60. Shooting your wife is a rascal style behavior

that would classify you as a rascal, I think. He is a rascal style behavior that would classify you as a rascal i think he is a rascally guy in that in that case at that italian restaurant he was being very rascally well you know his cover was he was going back to the restaurant to get his gun so obviously he didn't shoot her and like uh multiple of his bodyguards came out and said like he tried to hire me to murder his wife but but hey the the shadow of a doubt was there and guilty didn't find he was not found guilty by a jury of his peers uh and some 41 not just the band title but a fun math game where it's the amount of their ages when they are added up wow i guess when they started the band when they were much younger that that's

the joke of the band which is why they didn't last yes a bad name for i mean a bad math problem for a band i i didn't like those guys i was uh vehemently opposed to pop punk in 2000 so i know i i you were in very much the different camp of the the new metal world yes yeah if you listen to chap Trap House, you know Brian was an attendee of Woodstock 99. Which isn't like a thing where it's like the offspring. I was there for the... I could have been there for the offspring or something like that, but I was part of the problem. I was there for

Korn, Limp Bizkit, and ICP. So I was definitely... I mean, I didn't... I left early and stuff like that. I didn't particularly enjoy being at a festival and i also uh didn't talk to anybody that i didn't go with at all while i was there it sounded like if you were an attendee it was a massive ripoff was what it sounded like it was i mean i think it's like any festival it was like my first any kind of festival sort of thing so it was like uh this sucks it's

like uh i'm tired and i can't take a shower and i'm hungry and all of the food's very expensive so sunday morning we were like let's let's get out of here we just left sunday morning and then the riot happened and then of course because i was a real idiot back then i said uh i wish i was there for this that would have been fun then when everybody was shocked about that with limp biscuit or like this is what limp biscuit does i of course was from the land of limp biscuit i grew up in jacksonville florida so like what what you get at a limp biscuit concert was very well known to me at that time though of course i was a dork who went to shows where the opening band were like hey we're in jacksonville home of limp biscuit blue boo like so why would they might be trying to say that yes no i did a show in jacksonville where i opened and said this

is hallowed ground for me because it's the home of limp biscuit and then i sang a bunch of limp biscuit songs on stage uh see as as an attendee of places in uh of shows in jacksonville you either got to hear jokes about you you mostly was jokes about limp biscuit occasionally there'd be some old-timers who would do lynyrd skynyrd references but it's like limp biscuit in my generation fully overtook lynyrd skynyrd as the most famous jacksonville band and then we have destiny's Child news as well. What's happening there? Yeah, their album Survivor, like a big crossover one.

Like, I'm a survivor. Beyonce still a factor in the band at this point? Well, yeah. I mean, she is clearly positioned as the lead of the band there. And I think this is kind of the last big thing for Destiny's Child before Beyonce just is Beyonce. And she doesn't need Kelly Rowland or Michelle Williams that sounds about right yeah as backing her up Kelly Rowland was in a really big thing to me Freddy versus Jason which I can't think of a bigger movie

right I mean before the MCU Freddy versus Jason Alien vs. Predator were the only big kind of crossovers. Unfortunately, Beyonce upstaged her by playing Foxy Cleopatra in Goldmember. Yes. Which is a movie we all remember in quotes. I was waiting for Freddy vs. Jason for my whole childhood to finally see that movie. Does she call Freddy or Jason the F-slur? Yes. She calls Freddy a, hey, I'm gay, I can say it. She does call Freddy a faggot uh yes she calls she calls freddie a i am gay i

can say it she does call freddie a faggot that is what she said i thought so i thought so uh well on that note let's introduce our special guest for the show brian quimby of street fight radio and many other great things welcome to the show brian thanks for being on i am great so brian also i'm a fellow ohioan you're from the columbus I'm from Youngstown. So to me, you're from the rich kid side of town. Well, for me, you're from the also rich kid side of town. Or just like more important. Like we don't get talked about. Up there by Cleveland, that's what everybody thinks Ohio is.

I guess we have more songs about how we suck. Like Bruce Springsteen wrote an Allentown style song about us. So we're immortalized that way. But nobody's writing songs about Columbus that I know of. I wrote one, but I didn't release it. I mean, there's a few punk bands from here, but no, not a lot of famous people come outumbus which that kind of explains why i didn't even try comedy until i was like 38 because i was just like why i mean who's gonna see me also you're your aoc's favorite podcasters we found on the day of this recording we found that

out oh yeah yeah she loves us she uh definitely listens to street fight and uh you know we our voices are being heard in the halls of congress uh but but i'm also a big fan of uh like your your recent your recent wrestling output with leslie lee has been has been really good like i i there's just been this you know renewed interest in pro wrestling since a you know real alternative to wwe has shown up. And it was really cool hearing you and Leslie talk about that just from the perspective of like, both as a long-term fan and as you know, somebody who hates an evil capitalist monopoly, not that like AW is run by another billionaire, but you know, he's a cool one. He's a cool billionaire.

One of the good ones. As I've said, said if a billionaire is gonna do something nice for me then okay whatever you know i like aew i had really gotten bummed about wrestling until aew showed up i went to their first few pay-per-views and live shows so like uh um i don't know i feel like I have stock in this company and the other companies so unambiguously evil and bad that like it is really fun to watch them kind of go down the tubes. It's really cool. Yeah, that's that's part of the fun, too. But yeah. But yeah, I guess, Brian, you know, we should ask, like, what what are your Simpsons experience like? is it is it similar to the lot of our generation as a simpson viewer growing up no actually yes okay so when i was a kid i watched it i had seen this episode i didn't know i had seen this episode but like as i started to watch it i was like oh shit i remember this and i remember when when maude flanders died that was like uh i remember the episode um i think this was the first episode of the simpsons i've watched since like 2002. wow it has been a very long time since i've seen any of it i like needed a minute to like

adjust and stuff like that i was like this is crazy i haven't seen i i just i used to uh watch it when i was a kid up until i was like 17 or 18 when you just kind of stop hanging i mean 16 17 18 when you just kind of stop hanging out at your parents house you know i was always like gone as much as I possibly could as a teenager. So I'd get home at 10 and it was over and then you go in. But then Simpsons had a second life for a lot of people because it aired at 5 o'clock Monday through Friday, 5 o'clock and 5.30. And I would just get home from work and lay on the couch and watch both episodes of The Simpsons every day. And it's good after work hours

just say done time to just veg out with the simpsons and cool down with it yeah it was a syndication that got us all to memorize everything oh yeah yeah no i believe that i believe it it was like i i had my first dvr record sent the simpsons after work every day because i had switched my hours to 11 to 8 and i was like i'll just come home at 8 and watch two simpsons after work every day because i had switched my hours to 11 to 8 and i was like i'll just come home at 8 and watch two simpsons it'll still feel like five nice and that's well so that you didn't get did you get swept up in bart mania any in 1990 then yes yeah i had a bart man t-shirt i had the bart man oh nice and i was like so proud of it my brother had the other one i didn't do it nobody saw me do it you can't do it you can't prove anything but you weren't allowed to wear

them to school right because like they were like oh it's bart simpson like mine didn't say any cuss words on it and it looked like batman but i got in trouble for wearing it to school mine has a mine had a lesser bart expression when he said once it was jets, man. And the school was okay with that. But I guess the underachiever one banned across the board most schools. Yes. Yes. And then I had a buddy who bought a Bart Simpson shirt in Washington, D.C., where he was standing in a field of marijuana. And he said, keep off the grass, yo.

Like saying, like, don't touch my weed. I wish I could have that shirt now like i do a lot of searching for uh bootleg shirts yeah and uh bootleg simpson shirts are the best shirts yeah we talk about the we talk about the ninja turtles ones we talk about the bartman ones we talk about the dick tracy ones we rarely talk about the drug ones yeah you know we and also all the uh operation desert storm ones right but so so few of the like but what if they were high ones i guess you know and two that kind of goes into the the rastafarian bart uh area stuff as well in the bootleg world yes it's weird because as far as i can remember there was really only like two or three references to drugs on the simpsons

that i can even think of i think there was no i don't think there was toad licking there might have been oh there was toad licking yeah i think they all started around this era actually yeah season 11 they get a little once honestly post south park i think they they uh loosen up just a little bit more with with more overt drug references. And then I think it's season 13 or 14 when they do their medicinal marijuana episode when Homer can legally get high in the episode. Because I remember Otto's jacket. The Lollapalooza episode where they say it smells like Otto's jacket.

And I remember being like, you know, I started smoking weed very young and I would just get so excited when anybody would bring up weed. And even at the age I was at when that happened, I was just like, the Simpsons just talked about weed. I was like so excited. They were pretty veiled until this era. And, you know, I watched this episode. I was very excited for Brian to come on.

Brian's very funny, of course. And then i was sad that we have to talk about this episode with brian because we're panning for gold sometimes in season 12 we find some big rocks this time uh my pan is empty henry you know yeah we uh i we had on brendan james uh for his podcast and he was like oh i thought we were just supposed to like savage these and and we told him like well you know we still try to find the good in these sometimes. You don't just want to be like, ah, this sucks. But like, this is a weak ass episode of the series. Like, yeah.

And Brian is familiar with the Ma death episode. This episode is meant to heal that wound, but it should not be addressed again, is my opinion or undo it. I feel like that wound will always be gaping and there's nothing you can do to it at this point. Does anybody know why they killed her? Like what was the reason for killing Flanders' wife?

Yeah. Seems like a crazy move to make. It's honestly kind of petty behind the scenes, which the creators of the show apologize for. They came to regret it, I think, within two years. But the issue was that the actress who had played maude and and several other characters on the show maggie roswell that she had moved to colorado and she was flying in to do her recordings this is before he could really do remote recording

super easily and at the same time that the principal actors on the show got big raises she of course wanted a raise from her very like what she was saying was she was getting paid something that wouldn't even cover her flight to la like and so she just asked for a raise in that case and i think she was viewed as complaining too much and their their feeling was like i believe the joke internally was why don't we just kill her off then if she's going to be a problem? This is a kill-off mod. And so they did that.

She got killed by a tire at a race, right? Am I remembering that wrong? I think there was a flying tire in that episode. It hits Lenny. It hits Lenny, but she was killed by a t-shirt gun in that episode. Even sillier. A bunch of t-shirts.

A t-shirt cannon blasts her and she falls over. Homer calls the t-shirts to him so that also from alone again natura diddly it gives so much darkness to it to me that i can never let go of that like homer kills her like not not like homer strangles her to death but he calls on the t-shirt cannons to be shot at him he then instantly like puts down his head and it smashes her and she dies through his actions like it's so dark yeah awful and this this staff right now that's writing for the show in 12 they don't really care about sentimentality they are really against it actually we're in the south park era they're trying to compete with south park this is not the time for them to write an episode to address that because the original ending which we'll talk about is the gas line explodes it

blows up the town everyone somehow survives the episode is over yeah I think that is more in line with the episode that they wanted to write yeah the episode feels like it's weird maybe it's because it's been so long since I watched The Simpsons that like it feels really incomplete to me like very short it's so short from what i'm used to because i had to watch it with commercials before when it was over i was like that's it that's it it's over like it didn't even seem it didn't feel like it even tied up or anything for me it was very strange it also felt like i remember there being a lot more jokes on the simpsons like it was a lot more in a row than what happened on this episode and like a lot of the ones didn't like really work for me and and it's got me thinking about why i didn't maybe

keep watching the show and the only thing i can think of is that like i got way into family guy for a period of time and that sense of humor moves so much faster and is edgier which at the time meant something to me also the cheapness of being like remember this thing from when you were a kid me i would just be like oh yeah i remember you know that was really cool yeah i think this episode is kind of weak because it's also the fourth year of the same staff uh that's about to change and they're just very tired yeah i but even other episodes of this so like also in this season is the uh homer versus dignity the one where he is sexually assaulted by a panda. And I remembered that as equally not good as this episode. But when we watched it, there were like 10 jokes in it that I thought,

oh, that's a real funny line. That's a funny line. I can't, even though there's shit in it I don't like, I was like, oh, that's funny. In this one, there's like three times I was like, I wrote down in my notes, oh, that's a good line. That's a good line. But mostly.

That's about it for me too. Yeah. Well, because like in my notes, that was a good line. That was a good line, but mostly... That's about it for me, too. Yeah, well, because in this one, they really do want to be more sentimental than they can be. They actually do want to deal with, like, how do you overcome grief? Like, how do you deal with grief? How do you move on from it? But then their reasoning for moving on with it, like, I don't know, maybe they should have talked to a therapist about it, because this already was baked into the end of the ma death episode the year before their view of getting over grief is get a new love interest getting laid yeah yeah yeah who played her why didn't i know who played

i should have looked that up oh that is a singer songwriter sean colvin brian who wrote the song sunny came home a very big hit in the late 90s i'm sure if you heard just three chords of it you you remember it from hearing on the radio over and over again from that era i do remember her i remember sean colvin so yeah it was i don't know now that i'm thinking back on everything that happened it feels like it was more of a complete story like i'm thinking about the beginning. Yeah, it was pretty, I don't know. I should have picked the earlier season episode.

Now you're stuck with this one. This is not working. I don't know why. I was hoping you guys wouldn't be like, this is one of the best episodes of The Simpsons that's ever been written. We're totally with you, Brian. And I mean, surprise none of you but uh rachel jordan does not come back ever again yeah ever ever again in the next following 22 years of the show not

one other appearance so even though it's a big star and everything too yeah i'm curious also of like because i haven't been a part of the the sort of simpsons discourse ever or anything when does the like cut off for when the show because people say there's like a golden era and uh i know that like i must have watched a lot more than i thought because when you said season 12 i thought we were looking at like 2015 or 16 i mean like oh the popular narrative is what season three to nine so probably like 1991 to 1998 most of the 90s really yeah pretty much uh once it's 9 11 people are well actually as by season 10 which would be 99 that's when most people feel it uh or if you're in your 30s and 40s that's something too that really has learned through during this podcast is you know there are fans who shockingly are younger than us and like simpsons like i don't like these younger

people but they but they grew up with you know season 12 was like the one they watched when they were 10 and it's it is a it's a great season and it's really like season 18 where it all falls apart or whatever like oh after the movie that's when the series you know ran out of steam or whatever but yeah i i think generally for our generation it's three to eight or three to nine some nine gets snuck in for for some people other people are just like no eights eight is the cutoff armin tamzerian the fake skinner that's the that's the end of the series for them i i i get what you're saying because like, you know, on, on the street fight Patreon, we do these like mini series. So I do these deep dives into stuff like you guys are doing. And like, when you start talking about

this stuff, I mean, for an example, like I talk about shock jocks all the time for, you know, a month out of the year, a little more than six weeks out of the year and people will say like the best era of howard stern was when he moved to sirius and then other people are like the 90s and i'm like uh uh you know i have to listen to it as a whole thing and i listened to it in the 90s so so it really is like this era was the best because i was at a time in my life where i was really appreciating this kind of thing or like uh the parody movies we're doing now where there are people who are like oh vampire suck is like actually good i'm like he must have been 14 vampire sucks come out because this is bad yes yeah i know i i hate that it's so obvious to be like well when

you were in high school you liked things more than you probably did when you were like 28 but this episode is better than meet the spartans we can say yeah oh this is a higher batting average meet the spartans is one okay i was gonna say the worst movie i've ever seen but like actually date movie is the worst movie i've ever seen i've never been a guy that gets offended by stuff like you know i i used to be into like howard stern and opiate anthony and stuff like it's hard to shock me i was offended by date movie this is offensive like in a way that it was just such a... Those movies are all very ugly. Those Friedberg and Seltzer movies. Those guys are the worst.

I highly... I recommend not backing yourself into a corner where you have to watch all of the Friedberg and Seltzer movies. You know, the only one I hate watched with friends back in the day was Meet the Spartans. And after that, I was like, nope, I can't do this ever again guys i can't like the when the sandman character pops up and he has like cat shit on him because he's this litter box i was like no no it makes you respect the art of mad tv

honestly yes i mean it really does like when you watch a hour and 25 or hour and 30 minute movie and you not only like a comedy movie and you not only don't laugh but you feel worse than you did when you started the movie that's like a failure on all counts and those guys got to make like a lot i just watched their last movie from i think it's 2016 it's called super fast good lord it's a fast and a furious one and uh it's not good it's not a very good movie how many gay jokes does that one have i wonder like comparatively like they they because they had a lot every one of them was like every character's gay that's what's funny you know what's a bummer about that one? I mean, all of them have some, and some of them, to a lesser extent, Meet the Spartans has a lot because the Spartans or whatever.

And super fast, the thing that really pissed me off or maybe bummed me out the most was that, like, I don't know if Michelle Rodriguez is gay. I didn't. I was planning on looking that up this week, but the joke is that she is through the whole movie her character's gay and i was just like well i i don't even know if she's come out or anything like that like i don't know where you got this thing and that's like through the whole movie

i do believe she's openly bi i believe she has said that like people have seen her i remember seeing news stories of like michelle rodriguez canoodling with girl at some basketball game or whatever so yeah okay yeah but yeah i mean they just like i don't know sometimes you're like i don't know if there's more anti blackness or uh anti-gayness in this or transphobia in this thing but these movies are you know when i was listening to the episode of your show with with weiger and you guys were talking about that panda thing and it's like you you totally forget what was acceptable and then you start to wonder as you watch these things like were we like meaner as people or did the

media that we consume make us meaner as people because like we saw this stuff and we were just like ha ha you know wherever we were getting it they were like this is very funny check out this really funny thing and then they would

show you something and you would I don't know people just laugh at stuff when they tell me to laugh at stuff. Yeah. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner, and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You see, our new Net Zero Hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels, and much more. Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, your home cozier, and your world brighter. Find our Net Zero Hub at electricireland.ie. welcome to the break everybody for a podcast we promise doesn't have a gas leak and a big thank

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cool stuff out. I'm going to go. uh also uh though on this episode i was gonna say there was a lot of like their animators commentaries that are on the dvds if you got them they're worth pulling up uh because it's always interesting to hear the artists talk by themselves without all the comedy writers talking over them but this one they barely have anything to say, I have to say. So the only notes they had in there were all that I learned that were interesting, where they were like, they talk about the sea captain. They're like, oh, this was designed by Scott Alberts. And he always hated how he looks.

I was like, oh, that's surprising. His own creator hates him. And also, I learned an interesting mnemonic for telling Patty and Selma apart from the artist. So when you draw Patty's hair, it's kind of circular like a hamburger patty. So that is how you know the difference between a Patty and Selma. Two of my favorite characters in all of The Simpsons because they smoke. And they enjoy being themselves. Yeah, unrepentant smokers.

I guess this episode begins. Well, first, there's a chalkboard gag. Genetics is not an excuse. I couldn't, if I were trying to think it's taken from anything that was in the news then, there was a lot of stuff about trying to find the gay gene. There was all that stuff about DNA scientists were trying to pinpoint to the gay gene that makes somebody gay. But then I was like, did anybody ever find the gay gene that makes somebody gay but then i was like did anybody ever find the gay gene i looked that up and there's a 2019 study that just uh that was

like major study says it's all bullshit there's no gay gene the best they could apparently find genetically is like if you're gay your sibling is more likely to be gay than not like that was the most it could genetically prove in that 2019 study so i haven't found that gay gene yet when i was a teenager there was a news report that the brain i remember it just being like this is what a gay brain looks like and it basically had a on the side it had an upside down nike sign shaped thing and me and my brother were just like so it's like a nike sign in your brain like we were very confused by the whole thing but then the episode begins proper with a real slice of americana of an ice cream social which surprisingly the simpsons had never done like this as a setting for a an act one show

piece before of an ice cream social but which is just like you know it's it's a block party except it's all ice cream that's that's really what what it's about but uh but it's hosted at the church so it gives you a good a good church setting for what what's gonna come later this lots of church puns yeah lots of uh honestly too many too many shirts having fun yeah a sunday service you can swallow crucifixions and also like love joy takes a real swing at unitarians like this is i i charted it in the scully years in missionary impossible and alone again natural diddly and now this one, they all made jokes about hating Unitarians, just about how these, I guess, Presbyterian, the church that the

Simpsons go to, they hate Unitarians. I don't even know what a Unitarian is. Do you know why Christians would not like them? It sounds like aian thing to me unitarians are basically very open and free and just we accept everybody they're notoriously well i guess not notoriously but uh they're noted for being pro-gay uh you know apparently anti-racist apparently they don't believe in the trinity or the original sin those are two things they don't believe in which i can see if you still have to go to church yeah yeah yeah okay well i'm out then i mean i had a friend who was a unitarian and she took me to a service and i thought you know this is all very nice but it's still church

and i don't like going to church i would never go to church but if i ever were to perhaps unitarian i'd do that well yeah no i've been to church once it was weirdly enough mormon church i went to a mormon church when i was 12 years old and i hated it i i was like i i will never go to church again after this when when i was about seven i went to catholic church for about a year with my friend because it's where he went after school once a week and i was like i want to bang on with my friend and my parents I didn't go to regular church. So my parents weren't offended. I was going to a different church.

But after a year of it, I think eventually they were asking more commitment for me than just showing up with my friend. And that's when me as a kid, I was like, too much. Nope, I'm out. Keeping the hard sell. Yeah. Kids used to ask me, you know, like, do you want to stay the night on a Saturday? And I'd be like, yeah, sure. You know? And then they're like, well, you got to go to church with me in the

morning. And I would be like, oh, then nevermind. I'm going to go stay at my house. And then they would be like, they have snacks there. I promise you there'll be snacks there. And that's what got me to go to the Mormon church. He said there there was going to be snacks there there were no snacks there my friends would not tell me there is church waiting on sunday morning for a saturday sleepover it felt like a betrayal yeah no way i'm out of here i i would have i would have snuck out of the house in the morning if they would have like tried to jump me with some church there there was usually breakfast at shoney's waiting afterwards but still it was very boring it's not got my it's such a long time to put off for something right like it's like this mormon church thing i don't know if all

churches are like this but this thing was like three and a half hours i was that yeah no thanks i yeah an hour tops you got me even then like i better get to go to dairy queen after that's exactly that was the big one for my parents were like hey let's go on a hike we promise we'll go to dairy queen after and get you a blizzard we will undo every moment of exercise on the way back absolutely uh and there's a good joke on the commentary about the Bible gum, because that's a pun on bubble gum. Honestly, too, too sweaty of a pun. Yeah. Apparently, they found out after they did the joke that Bible gum was a real thing.

They're like a Christian company sold a bubble gum called Bible gum. And they sent them a bunch of free Bible gum. And the joke on the commentary, they say, is like, and it's the advertising is true. It's God awful. Yeah, I couldn't find it. I looked looked it up online i found a tin of it and i'm guessing it's like bazooka joe but there's a bible verse inside the wrapper i couldn't i couldn't uh clarify that chick track wrapped around it maybe yeah i was already looking for bible gum when you said it exists and i can't yeah i don't think they still make it i can't believe that would go out of business you think you could just sell like once you're selling

once you're in the jesus realm to sell shit like you're you're in business forever you know but yeah and this uh this cow ice cream maker thing that's coming up uh it feels like this should not be on this show this is not the show. Although I like Cletus saying darkety to describe chocolate. And when he's kicked, he says Ivan Reitman. That gave me a chuckle. But yeah, I was questioning, why is Frank, a super scientist and a mad scientist, taking a scientifically engineered cow to a church? The church should reject this like uh scientific

uh affront to god really what he's doing to this cow it took me like a minute to kind of figure out what was going on there for some reason i don't feel like they like really explained because he was just like there's freon in this cow and you can make ice cream with it and i i thought that i thought that part that little piece was such a stretch like it was that i don't know like what they were getting at other than like this is a really goofy fantastical thing yeah i thought they were leading to a poop joke because each stomach has a different element of ice cream in it and i thought the joke would end with the tail raising and then you know cut to the next scene or something and but it comes out of the udders family guy would have gone there with that but yeah yeah we're talking but i do like the

implication that swirling the soft serve would cause the cow a mince pain or something and it refuses to do it like and and also to stay biblical we get get a Tower of Babel joke of Homer. Though, again, I'd recast Squeaky Voice Teen as the ice cream server. That's funnier than Helen Lovejoy wordlessly. Because Helen Lovejoy is voiced by the same woman who voiced Vaughn. And so they don't have her do lines. Yeah. Which is, again, Helen Lovejoy gets her voice back in season 13 once they make up with Maggie Roswell. Out of all these ice cream jokes the funniest joke is

the drawing of nelson getting his mouth filled with fudge that's good yeah it's a funny drawing with like a cocking gun i i also like homer walking around saying christ be with you like that's a funny thing for homer to say but yeah i and you know what i looked up what johns hopkins says to do about uh a fix for if you get brain freeze uh one is to drink warm water which hot fudge i would figure would work even better than warm water like it it counters act the coldness that causes a brain freeze but secondly it said one i never heard of before which it says place your tongue or thumb on the roof of your mouth like so next time next time you're having one of those delicious dairy queen blizzards and eat it too fast but put the put the thumb on the on the top of your mouth and see if that does

something I mean I get brain freeze every time I have an icy that's like I don't usually get it with ice cream but if I get an icy I like get brain freeze all the way down the container or like a slurpee I just am like oh god and then i stop for a minute and then i'm like oh i drink it again i can't stop no i know with those with the frozen drinks like that i cannot stop i'm like okay well it went away i'm sure it won't come back right now if i start drinking again it's really a race against time before it all becomes just slushy water at the bottom yeah it's no i uh yeah actually one thing i really miss living here is sonic because the sonic i don't sonic texas toast sandwiches and stuff those are good and all

but it's their their slushies are so good like they don't you know if you buy one at dairy queen i don't know why i'm talking about dairy queen but when you buy one of those you drink it the syrup's all gone like fast and you're just left with like ice you know but for somehow they get the ratio right at sonic like you're you're it's cold all the way through you're not just drinking syrup sonic is like really if people knew how great they are at drinks they would demand sonic everywhere in the country like nobody is as good at drinks as sonic i don't think we have any here and and i just saw a commercial for one uh that like now they're getting alcoholic sonics uh drinks too like they're putting booze in the in the slushies

oh in that their cherry limeade is the best drink in the world i used to pick them up before the podcast but i'm like it's awfully big sugary drink to drink twice or three times a week no yeah it's uh i i've in my last year of dieting it's like well it's probably good i don't have sonics around me anymore for sure i did also like i think like i chuckled actually out loud and you guys are probably like super used to this stuff now because you've watched so much of it but when homer was getting ice cream he said to heaven and then she gave him a couple scoops and then he was like to heaven like in a like kind of more aggressive way and i kind of i dug that i thought that was very funny but then i thought like it was

one step too far to have it all melt and blow up in his face. It should have been funnier watching his ice cream melt. I mean, obviously, the story, his Tower of Babel must fall. That's the gag has to end there. But yeah, if it's going to explode, it could have been funnier. We are in the fish-shaking era of Homer. That's true. It's just the punctuation of the joke

because he repeats it while shaking his fist. I loved that. That is one of my favorite Simpsons things, though. It took me a very... It's weird. When I was growing up watching The Simpsons, I thought you had to like Bart. It was just like, if you're a kid, you like Bart.

But I always liked Homer more, and I was so glad when people were like homer's the funniest character in the simpsons after like the first like three or four years when people finally admitted it i was like fine i'm not a nerd anymore that likes the dad well homer was so low-key in season one yeah he's only once the writers realize like oh it's the funniest thing to write homer being crazy like that's the best part of this of the job season one's a tough watch too boy the the when they didn't have the voices right and some of the uh animation i i don't know how you guys made it we did it twice when it was on after work i would if it was a season

here's my thing if it was a season, here's my thing. If it was a season one or a tree house of horrors, I was like, I'm not watching this. Or a musical episode. Those are the three kinds I didn't like. As a kid, it was a bummer to get a season one. We appreciate them more now, but they're not something you'd sit down and watch for fun usually. No, they're fun. They are interesting to return to with our critical eye.

But yeah, as far as if I were to sit down right now and be like, I'm going to just chill with the Simpsons, I don't think I'd ever pick a season one. Homer's Odyssey. Yeah, I never would. And probably not mostly a season two one either. But season two has grown on me a lot in our return to it. But actually now our first clip I'm going to play here. We got Ned reconnects with a singer who arrives at this ice cream social that was great i can't believe

she found a rhyme for hezekiah hey she's coming this way i thought you didn't like her Ned Flanders? Now, where have you been hide-diddly-hiding? Oh, hey, Rachel. Well, what do you know? We both like plain vanilla with nothing on it. Actually, all the toppings were gone. It's all crawling in my mouth, and I don't care. That made me chuckle to that.

I like that line, and i like the drawings of them just two fat children covered in in sprinkles and chocolate homer is just in the background a lot in this episode not being too funny but i do like his aggressive shove of ned into uh this woman to force a mute cute a meet cute upon them it happens again later i do like that yeah well homer has to be mr nice wingman in this this episode. The funniest Homer is to me in this episode is in Act 2 when he's a real asshole about cleaning up stuff. But the rest of the time, he's Ned's very supportive friend, which I don't know. I say I don't like jerk-ass Homer, but I think I dislike supportive wingman Homer even more. I like the vanilla ice cream joke a lot.

Just because I like vanilla ice cream. And it's funny when somebody else likes it. Because I agree for it from everybody I know. Me too. And finally in my life, my wife is the first partner I've ever had who did not vanilla shame me. I wouldn't vanilla shame you bob but it does i i think vanilla is a perfectly fine thing but to me ice cream is like i wouldn't even get just chocolate ice cream at a place like i like ice cream to me is a big mix of junk in something

like that's ice cream to me soft serve ice cream sure like if i was going to that cow earlier in the episode i'm pulling that chocolate utter like that's that's the one i'm picking but i like vanilla milkshakes a lot like that is if i gotta have ice cream i mean obviously a reese's cup blizzard uh is my preference that's what i'll go get sometimes but i'll also take a vanilla milkshake and just feel really good about it and yell at everybody else in the car around me that vanilla is actually a flavor it's not an absence of flavor some would say the perfect flavor they should have stopped at vanilla well i exactly you know i i just had uh some of the cm punk ice cream bars in chicago and that that was some of the best goddamn vanilla i ever had

now placebo effect henry is it because it was wrapped in a cm punk uh rapper it's because cm punk picked it out just for me and said it was good ice cream is it like those old wwf ones with the image of the wrestler on them only okay if only no but it's just a very uh he's uh he's actually working with a local chicago company it's not like a mass-produced one and so but essentially it's an Eskimo pie it's just an ice cream bar like and which but a very high quality one of those and I I will not say no to uh any honestly any ice cream bar they're like hey free ice cream bar you have that I love them I'm I'm like obsessing right now with ice cream sandwiches and uh oh i'm really you know eating like five a day which is wrong don't you know i'm

a glutton i'm a serious i like drugs i like food uh but yeah i've been eating like five ice cream sandwiches a day right now because i can't get i i get obsessed with stuff and i can't get like past it last summer it was caramello bars i was ordering them in the box i was ordering full boxes of king size caramello bars and then eating them over a week and a half i i can't have a box of ice cream sandwiches in the house anymore because it really is like i buy them and i tell i've in the past i've like well i'll buy one of these and i'll buy the box and obviously just one a day just one just as a nice snack because i feel like it and then after i eat the first one i'm like well second one wouldn't kill me and then and then the box is gone you

know like all six i won't eat any tomorrow and then you're like or the next day or the next day or the next day you won't eat i mean i burn a lot of calories throughout the day so that's what i tell myself i'm like well you know i mean i burn like 3 000 calories it's got to be you have to replace them with ice cream bars but yes uh but but yeah so when rachel shows up she starts singing a song but i don't think they had a lot of confidence in this song they wrote a whole fucking song for her in her first appearance and here she just does basically a parody of like jesus loves me yes i know but she says i'm a groupie on his tour on his tour yeah which is like it that it's not doesn't go far enough you could see that being like a fun christian rock

song like yeah i'm a groupie in the in the jesus band yeah i'm on his side i just like the boy band episode they don't go far enough but you also don't hear the whole song yeah you just cut it and and then they do a thing with like ned blushing which like it's wrong to see a simpsons character blush like i i feel like they saw in the script it said ned is blushing but then like what jim reardon the supervising director should have said to them like, literally that breaks our character rule pack. Characters do not blush. You don't get pink in the cheeks of a yellow character. And it seemingly was just overruled.

And it is one of the strangest things in the world to see pink cheeks on Ned. Yeah, it's not really a joke either. I don't really, I don't understand it. It's just that he's blushing. He's like, yeah, the joke is he's shy of talking to a woman. Like, that's it like uh i i do like the little bit of him straightening his mustache before she comes over that's that's all right but but they actually had they actually arrived at a joke before south park

did the joke about turning jesus into baby south park did that two years later with their christian rock hard episode yes christian rock hard they the, it's the reverse of it, but it's the same concept where Cartman takes love songs and changes baby into Jesus. Her joke is that they took their songs and switched Jesus for baby, which they did a joke with her in the Alone Again that also was about a member of her band leaving them.

And I'm like, you know what? Second time your band leaves you, I'm blaming you. I'm starting to think you're the problem here if your band keeps leaving you for satanica yes that's a great name yes i would love to hear satanica but this i guess really this joke about going mainstream is kind of well is happening with a lot of bands but i always think of creed this is a joke about creed at this point if you're talking about going mainstream in the christian band evanescence did you have you ever heard the story of evanescence right well also isn't this is deep icp lore that i only know slightly but isn't there some christian stuff mixed in with the great malenko uh mythology of icp i don't think theyP? I don't think it's Christian. It's vaguely religious.

Okay. God stuff. They believe in God, which could literally be anything. They're not super clear on if it's like Jesus or whatever. But with Evanescence, it was like they came out in Christian bookstores, and then somebody mentioned they were christian or something

or and uh when they started to hit when they started to really take off their publicist sent a letter and made them pull their albums off the rack at christian stores and said no we're not christian i mean that that would kill your rep then once that starts getting out there like i was trying i'm looking this up here just to be sure about it i think yeah i was talking about another band from my uh yeah they're from little rock arkansas which is where i was born so i grew up in jacksonville born in little rock so you've now you've mentioned the other band of the 90s from my where i was born nice but nice so they're doing the same thing here that they did in alone again naturally diddly which is homer instead of being

an asshole to ned like he is every other episode in this one he is very supportive of ned and is trying to help him get over it and it it completely changes homer's character and it makes him a sitcom pal who helps his friend get laid you know but then also in act two he doesn't care yes and wants to charge ned money and doesn't want to hear him uh like have this breakthrough and then and then in act three he cares again yeah i kind of hoped i was gonna get a homer being me to ned episode because i was you know i'm an imperfect person but i like it when homer's mean to somebody uh but uh but instead homer greatly supports him asking a girl over to his place what does lisa care if ned gets laid or not why is she so i guess she's just being nice it's not

a lisa line but i did appreciate we're the neighbors and we don't think yeah yeah it's not something lisa should say or would, but it's a clever line. So I'll give him that. I like that. Okay, here's another really weird thing about this episode. How far do they want to go with Ned? Because sometimes he's just steady Neddy and a boring guy who has vanilla with no sprinkles on it. And then in the next scene, they're like, no, we want to have creepy jokes about a guy who can't let go and and i i think it

sells out ned ned's character quite a bit in this sequence here like he's doing shit that ned flanders would never do just to be like just to shock you with things being creepy right he seems like a psycho in this number one like you're like a guy that you should like be afraid of yes and like it is not what i ever thought of ned flanders i always thought ned flanders was like on a straight and narrow kind of guy and uh that's why homer doesn't like him too because he's a boring straight and narrow kind of guy and like these scenes i mean if this wasn't uh animated this would be absolutely the creepiest shit in the world to watch yes i uh here's our first clip from that sequence here of ned i do like harry's acting in this sequence of of trying to pretend he's over his dead wife

all right i'll take the couch and you can have my room oh uh could you sleep on my side i'm his dead wife. How about that? It says Maude. I love Chanel, don't you? I don't love it. I don't hate it. Well, goodnight, Maude. I mean, Maude. I mean, Rachel. I mean, Maude. I like his little bit that he goes like, I mean, Rachel.

I mean, Maude. He actually is like, no, I do mean to call you Maude. You're Maude to me. You're supposed to feel bad for him, but he does go too far yeah i think maybe the bed crease would have been enough the smelling of her is just so smelling up her arm yeah and and then he does like a literal like horror movie thing of like when you when you cut someone's hair when they're asleep like that's what happens in horror films or like evil roommate movies or whatever like yes and her reaction is incredibly normal in this sequence which uh well here i'll play the clip first oh my god you're trying to make me look

like your dead wife no no no no i i know this is a tad unseemly but if you just let me even out the back i'm calling a cab goodbye Oh, who am I kidding? I'm not over Maude at all. Yeah, maybe it was too soon. Well, aren't you going to invite me in? Yeah, hearing that clip again, there's no reason she should come back and investigate this theme park. Hey, the man who cut my hair at night snuck into my room. He opened a theme park. I think I'll check that out.

Yeah. It's like a horror movie about somebody with a really bad relationship with their mother yeah like it's it's almost again like this whole sequence with him at the house was deeply creepy to me and if it wasn't the simpsons if it was anything else people would be gnarled out by that like okay if they had stuck with just the starch on the bed and her calling her him calling her mod maybe it wouldn't be going as far you know into the realm of creepiness and we could still feel bad for him but it's like he does kind of violate her privacy and it does assault her with scissors in a non-violent way but still i think that is a felony she turns in her sleep yeah like that's yeah i mean i i feel like she has absolutely a lawsuit on her hands i mean i it almost the line reading from harry almost feels like he's trying to cover for his character

in a scene of like i know this is a tad unseemly of just his way of saying like yeah i'm really ned shouldn't be doing this i know but but then once once she leaves, he's like, I'm not over Maude at all. It's like, you have bigger problems than that, Ned. You need to find a lawyer. Yeah. He should get a job at a salon or something, though. Like, that was something, I don't know why I thought this, like, immediately, but I was like, this guy can really cut hair.

She looks exactly like Maude you know he did a good job with it honestly it makes you think he's been like cutting the hair on like uh you know practice wigs or whatever that could have been the direction of the story he opens a salon to make women look like Maude and then yeah that's it goes too far like that yeah damn that is actually good that's like better than what he ended up doing uh but yeah in my memory of this episode she never comes back like that so i was like oh and that's how they wrote off rachel and because on the commentary they absolutely copped to like oh we wrote this character in too soon and when they originally created her they're like oh yeah ned'll marry

her at some point and then that's just his new wife but after her second appearance then they go nah she's not that fun and we'd rather have ned dating around instead of uh having a new wife i thought that that's how they wrote her off but instead is when the episode at the end the episode not to get ahead but they pretty much give themselves an opening for her to still keep coming back even though really this should just be the end of her right here it should be her going like oh yeah you are definitely jumping into this too soon you are a crazy person in still in love with your wife i feel like there is a lot to be done with a character like her like i feel like you were really i mean i'm not a tv writer or anything like that but i feel like

i could do a lot with that character if i was a tv writer it is wild that they didn't bring her back yeah i feel like even though there's so much i think there's a lot of opportunities with you know on the road christian singer for his uh character for his new wife like i think i think they just saw her as like wife like oh this is like the new wife and then eventually like oh she's boring new wives are boring like how about uh edna is his wife yes oh wait that lady died yeah unfortunately yes yeah but and so they wanted homer to just be there for this scene so he's hanging out the window which that's pretty good and that has a good callback at the end of the episode but this is like stalker homer era as well like this is you know when he was trying to get apu and manjula

pregnant that's he also was stalking them in their in their bedroom as well so we come back the family has been hired to clean out ned's home of mod uh trinkets uh it's a weird it's weird that ned seems to trust them to clean out all of his all of his items like i was like oh yeah i trust you guys but and then a very weird bit of adr is they're waving goodbye they're like say bye mr flanders but i think it is that the animators just drew them waving goodbye and they're like well shit we gotta have them say something here like it's just unnatural if it's just a silent way not not enough fun things are found in the house no Oh, yeah. It's the best. I mean, as they clean up, the jokes about Homer being like a dick who's just like smashing stuff.

That's all right. But honestly, my favorite line is Marge's in this clip here. Oh, right. Yeah. Poor Ned. He can't look anywhere without being reminded of Maude. Yeah. A lifetime of memories.

Homer, don't you have any respect? Sure, of course I do. But life goes on, ashes to ashes, turn, turn, turn, long live rock, and so forth. Don't throw this away. It's Rod's first tooth. You're right. We could use this for witchcraft. Wow, three pairs of shoes. Someone had a a fetish i like that joke a lot i like i there have been many great jokes about marge not understanding that women own more than one pair of shoes but i just love her very like 90s sitcom way of saying somebody had a fetish about

three shoes that's the best version of that jokes in the new york one of course yeah but i already own a pair right yeah if only i didn't already own a pair yeah but they also have a commentary they have a good joke of like oh that could have been a b plot of them trying to do witchcraft on rod with his tooth see that those little rotten kids aren't in the story at all yeah they're they're so boring they say like but mommy wanted it like that's like their one line in this episode they i wondered where they were in this because it is a it's a flanders episode why don't they have rod and todd who were characters that used to make me laugh a lot when when i was regularly watching yeah i want to see them hallucinate yeah in in the

late season 20s that's where they deal with the children's grief over their ted mother but uh but yeah the uh the stomping on the trash stuff with homer it also just feels like a callback like there's literally a teddy bear he's stomping on that's what he did on love day with sir loves a lot the bear who loves to love and uh and but yeah they throw out everything which like they throw out out a credenza which is just like no that's just nice like that's just shredding pillows yeah someone could sleep on those i don't know it's that it's kind of cruel i don't think this is the right way to deal with grief of just hiring someone to throw out everything of the person you loved i i don't know your shred everything yeah i mean that is it's like it's not even i guess throwing it in

trash or anything like that like i would probably put it in storage yes and then say like you know if you ever want a couple of the pictures back it's just you got to get over this part they're bad at dealing with grief in this episode uh i do like that ned sees the wood chipper and he's like what's that some kind of sorting machine kind of and he just spits out a bunch of shit a smash cut to the wood chipper spraying things out the window um yeah very funny and and also that homer the cruelty of homer that going so far is to not throw away that uh their wedding day photo but to paste his head over maude's head in the photo, that's pretty good. But yes,

then comes a little matter of the bill. Now for the awkward part. We gotta talk about money. You said we were doing this out of friendship. What? That doesn't sound like me. Hey Dad, something didn't get, um, sorted. Maude's

old sketchbook. She was quite the little artist, you know. Oh, it's a fact. I think you know someone. Here's our house. A rainbow. Oh, a white hand shaking a black hand. Praiseland.

Rides. Food. A tithing pond. It looks like an amusement park. You're right. Maude looks like an amusement park. You're right. Maude designed a Christian amusement park. Oh, it must have been her final dream. Hey, how about that?

Let's build it for her, Daddy. Oh, that's a nice thought, Toddy, but to build an amusement park, you need lots of money and manpower and turnstiles. But Mommy wanted it. And then it pans across all the faces of the Simpsons nodding except for homer who has to be reminded he's i got this scene is homer sick of being in this episode and even complaining like that doesn't sound like me i'm with him yeah uh yeah i mean ron and todd are little wiener kids and it's fun to watch them suffer i don't like having to feel for them yeah yeah that that's the danger of like once you kill their mom it's like

well what are you gonna do like you can't laugh as hard at them if you murdered their mom in the story uh but homer just go like i get that's very realistic of just when you're done having a conversation with a neighbor you don't particularly care about how about that how about that anyhow i dug the white hand shaking a black hand like i thought that was a good thing for her to have drawn in there for yeah the the banal things a christian woman would draw is like important art like yeah just and then ed's way of saying like a white hand shaking a black hand like it's just touched uh and though he doesn't seem to care that maude had like a secret art side of her i mean we didn't know about it the audience didn't know which that's something

her and march have in common they could have done art together it's you know that's the tragedy here you know but this uh the storytime village i think it was the first time i realized it's from lisa the vegetarian yes yeah it i missed that as well until this viewing. It's Story Town Village. It is the exact same design, and it's meant as them going back there. I think they literally just forgot the name. They were like, yeah, it's Story Time. And they're like, no, no.

If you go back to the episode in season seven, it's Story Town. My theory was in that episode, the joke the paul bunyan statue falls over and decapitates mother goose that same statue killed a child as well that's why they closed it down i i love that like bart's line of like they've been out of business ever since that kid got his head cut off and then march goes oh that sounds perfect like that's a good line too yeah so they decide they're gonna buy story time and that's when we get another like this is a really good silly little scene that that isn't really needed for this episode but ned and the rich texan have they have good chemistry it's like a muppet show sketch you're with how broad

this guy's uh jokes are but i mean they're fun oh yeah they're fun yeah sell story time village why you gotta be off your tuffet. Well, it's been closed for so long, and I thought I could turn it into a Christian theme park. Christian, eh? Well, that's different. Now the thing is, I don't have a lot of money. And what the hell good are you?

Beat it, you hippie! But I... You're right, that was harsh. Tell you what, maybe I could donate the park as a tax write-off. If you could do that, I'd make this place a shining beacon for the Lord. Oh, you are so full of it. God's grace, that is. It's really sickening.

There aren't more people like you. Now get out, you're a pin, and we'll make it official oh bless you sir i like a ned doesn't even give any reaction he's like oh bless you sir like not like yeah that's a weird way to talk like i liked that i liked the writing on that just i i thought the acting and the writing on that was very funny for the for the rich texan what's what's every like they packed in every turn of phrase they could we found three ways to make insults into compliments or uh commands so yeah the the influence of this from real life you know i when i watched this in 2001 i had definitely seen on the daily show they'd done their fair

share like more than once going to like creationist theme park or like all of these you know basically just pointing and laughing at some guy who starts a christian theme park but on their commentary they say it's a specific one from the 80s yeah but the the baker family correct yes yeah jim baker and tammy faye and also falwell's heritage usa i brought that up on a podcast recently and like the person I think had been a part of Christianity when they were younger and stuff. And I was explaining how like Jim Baker had a son that was like punk rock and he went back there and walked around the place after it was over, like back in the early maybe mid 2000s i always wished i could have gone to that park um it sounds fun i do think i do think me and brett though are gonna

go to a hell house oh yeah that's a christian haunted house yeah no that sounds like that sounds like a good time but also a scary. What was the name of the park? Heritage USA? Heritage USA. Yeah, I looked it up and I found an image of Jimmy Baker. Is it James Baker? Jim Baker? Jim Baker.

Yeah, I think he's James Baker now in his newest scam. He's selling like buckets of survival food, but I saw him going down one of those giant slides in a sack. Oh, that's great. He was having fun in between mistresses. I had seen, had seen apparently uh jerry falwell was also somewhat involved in it like i i saw a picture of him in his full preacher outfit jerry falwell doing a slide down one of the water slides which was part of like some charity

drive he was doing but from what i had read heritage usa fell apart mostly thanks to baker's like many scandals but also that what a great scam it had it's a you know a middle america amusement park but it got to have tax exempt status for years under the church bullshit only like eventually that loophole closed like i guess the government was like people have too much fun here this isn't a church and so once they lost tax exempt status i I think their whole scheme fell apart. They're like, it's not profitable. That's quite a scam. Yeah.

It's not fair. It's not fair. I want to open. Now I'm going to open up an amusement park and say it's a church until they bust me. Because, I mean, they probably made a ton of money off of that thing. It probably felt real nice. I think Ned can get away with it because his rides suck. They had real-ass rides there.

Yeah, the Heritage? Yeah, it seemed like a real place. I mean, not like Disneyland or whatever, but you'd have a good time going there if you could just ignore all the crosses and stuff. You'd have just a nice time at the water park. Ned's, the first ride they show on this i'm i know i i guess i'm getting way ahead i'm sorry it's okay but it was funny i that hit me really

good because it's like another series i do is about mega pastors and uh one of my top favorite things in the world is pastors being cool like and trying to like figure out how to make church more fun and failing is the best thing to me uh this may impress you or may shock i am a distant cousin of uh of kenneth copeland if you've covered him yes he's the best he's my favorite one i could listen to him all day he is so funny he gets crazier every year and yet nothing like there's never been the scandal that falls them all party can we get him on the podcast i'll call my dad and he'll call his brother-in-law yeah so then before they build the place though they're they're tearing down story time they're mate they're changing geppetto's workshop into a nativity scene homer is in his full like leno

denim style uh work outfit uh and homer basically burns down the entire place there's i do like the dark joke that when he burns little bow peep and her sheep one of the sheep is goes down to bones because it was like a stuffed dead sheep instead of a fake sheep i uh and there's there's some big deleted scenes in this one but there's a small deleted scene here which is when homer burns down stuff marg and lisa come in with three little pig figures and say oh these can be the wise men like yeah it's okay but ned is also very strong to lift up a giant shoe full of liquor bottle we know how buff ned is that's true yeah and with his huge dong swinging around everywhere too yeah it's a shoe that people climb in i it seemed like right i feel like well i couldn't tell if it

was like a garbage can for the kids or if the kids like hide in there to drink and then leave the bottles in there well it's homer that was drinking oh that's true well homer couldn't fit in that so he must just be tossed just a garbage can and then the bit of homer like being scared of wives bossing you around from heaven like that feels like a home improvement joke to me that's not good enough for simpsons he's just like they can still boss you around from up there it's like he needs to be at least meaner this isn't everybody loves raymond uh yeah style gag yeah that's right i tell you that they wrote that yeah uh and uh a little cute turn of phrase of ned saying he's getting poorer with this he's like my greenback stacks getting look getting kind of slack and then lisa you know she suggests crowdfunding which

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find our Net Zero Hub at electricireland.ie but but in this case uh the they're paid off with crusty gives them outfits from his last supper pie throwing sketch when that scene ends like just wham he's like my last supper pie throwing sketch slam i feel like there must it's not a deleted scene on the dvd but it feels like there's got to be a line he says after that i want it you can't just tell me that i need to see it yeah yeah or say like or the the sensors took it off the air or something like that like have some other line it's weird i feel like i thought that was a joke from a previous episode of the simpsons like where they were like calling back

to something that crusty had done in a previous episode. This Chinese fireworks joke is a little too similar to another joke on the show. Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah, just like lay off the Chinese. Well, I was thinking about Bart was bringing fireworks for show and tell. Oh, yeah. And for the visiting Chinese dignitaries. And they were very mad because Marge just ruined them. Marge didn't believe it.

Yeah. It was about fireworks yeah but in this case it's in this case they have to be self-aware of their joke about like oh those crazy chinese customs great food though great food yeah we all uh we haven't recorded the episode yet but bye-bye nerdy also has a sawdust puke joke in it so this is the second one in season 12 of uh the joke about putting sawdust on puke i was used to hearing these jokes on shows but uh in all my schooling there was never sawdust thrown on anything boy you know when i worked in an amc theater we just swept it up yeah there's no sawdust i think the

sawdust budgets were cut in the 80s i when i was in high school and elementary school it was like a minty spell smelling like almost like kitty litter that they dumped on stuff interesting man now see at the amc theaters the the carpet was so deep that people were just like look if you just get it visibly off of the carpet i only had to deal with puke twice in both cases it was just like somebody was sick at the movie theater and they honestly shouldn't have come and they're like and they just did it near a uh a trash can and not they couldn't make it that's why the movie theater carpet has those crazy patterns exactly yes yeah same with casinos i cleaned up a lot of puke at chucky cheese when i worked there for a year and i is that all hard tile other stuff too is that all hard tile at chucky cheese or are we

dealing with rugs rugs oh there you know most of the uh gross i mean a lot of times we had the tubes that kids could climb in with the ball pit they they end in a ball pit climbing these tubes people would like crap or puke into tubes and then the other kids would crawl through it and just you would have to close them and just clean all the tubes at the same time oh that the tubes are down again you know i thought it was disgusting enough what i imagined in that ball pit now i'm hearing the tube to the ball pit is the real toilet like oh boy yuck i never worried about the ball i i i used to get in the ball pit all the time i'm sure there's pee in there but like you know where is there not exactly uh i mean and that's sterile i mean look if i gotta clean up pee or poop i'm picking pee anytime sure yeah but it's like

walking in the gray if you walk through the grass you're probably walking through p2 you know dogs pee there. I was thinking that about picking four-leaf clovers as a kid. And I was like, oh, I probably touch piss every day I picked four-leaf clovers. Not so lucky now, are you? But in this case, Homer sends his cinnamon in the sawdust. But I'll never tell, says Willie. Yes, then it's opening day.

Kent Brockman's talking about it. He calls him Nedward Flanders, which is the first time that's been said is Ned's full name. Because Ned is short for Edward normally. But in this case, his full name is apparently Nedward, which I don't think they stuck with. I don't think so either. And Homer's just goofing around in the background as it begins but at the praise land grand opening it's not all going well who dares to disturb king david silence you have invaded the chamber where i wrote all of my 150 songs. I hope you enjoy hearing them all. Number one.

Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked. What do you hit him with? There's no mallet. You can stop Satan with your faith. My face? You calling me ugly? No, no, no, no, no.

I think you're beautiful. No, that's it. Ah! Ooh, what can I get you, little Christian? How about a Noah's Ark of Jellies? Oh, are there two of every flavor? Nope, they're all the same. Plain.

Ah, how about a Maud mask? I'm Maud. God is super. Can I sit in the car? Let's both sit in the car. Bye-bye. That's a weird shot. Yeah, that's very creepy. Now, I do like the King David dark ride,

although you have to question, as I do in the commentary, how did Ned build this fully functioning animatronic robot? Also, no one seems to be running these booths. There's no employees. Ned or Lisa is the person working at every booth. Yeah. It seems like the main attraction the whole time was the mod statue.

Yeah. That was where everything was put into was the mod statue. Like, if you went to, well, now I'm going to say something highly specific to Ohio, but Kings Island has an eiffel tower at it it would be like if you went to king's island just to look at the eiffel tower instead of ride the roller coaster i like the sign of uh on on her statue which is she taught us the joy of shame and the shame of joy yeah that's who maude was not an artist yeah judgmental that was her characteristic but uh yeah it's called king david's wild ride a reference to mr toad's wild ride from disney

and uh yeah apparently the kids screaming sound effect that's mike scully's daughter's screaming there so keeping it in the family though bart shouldn't be surprised by this because he helped build the damn place he should really know this is a bad right include into this uh but i love the king david ride and i actually loved spending a little bit of time trying to figure out what happens after like king david like where else did they go on that ride or was it just they got in the car it moved like a few feet forward and then king david comes out and just starts yelling at you yeah yeah what is after king david i love that he just goes that he says who disturbs me they don't say anything silence that's so good uh and well i guess he must read you in full his 150 psalms which must take hours like they must only have like eight people ride that ride a day but i so i googled this though the

assumption for the longest time was all 150 psalms were written by david actually only 75 of them are credited to king david himself so it's a little inaccurate here this this animatronic that robot's taking credit yeah he only write half of those psalms but i always felt like and i don't know any of the writers for the simpsons at all or anything like i don't know who they are even later but like some of them had to come up in very christian houses because this show always like they there was like one or two a season that had to do with like church and and love joy and stuff like that and i've always been curious of like man was there just somebody that like had a axe to grind with church on the simpsons writing staff all the time well it sounds like you guys didn't deal with church

as much as i did going to catholic school where uh i really identified with the show because i agreed with them church is boring i'd rather anywhere else. I don't understand what is being said in church. And I think a lot of the writers did grow up Christian having to go to church every weekend. Yeah. In the first set of classic era writers, there were a lot of, there were several Jewish writers too, but guys like Al Jean and George Meyer, especially who are top level writers like and also matt graning they grew up being forced to go to church early in the morning like al al jean's from detroit and he just said his dad like woke him up at like six in the morning like come on church time buddy george meyer grew up in like a very tense uh passive aggressive household growing up and church was

central to that as well so i think i think that's where the main axis to grind with uh oh and of course mike scully yeah big catholic yeah a massachusetts catholic kid so that's interesting it's funny because like i don't think of big people like you said bob like you had this experience with church growing up i only knew one kid that went to church and his parents let him stop going when he was 13. So like none of my friends went to church. None of my friends believed. I had like two friends that believed in God. And the only way I knew they believed in God

was because we rolled a joint with a Bible paper and they wouldn't hit the joint. They were like, oh no i'm out i don't want that i don't want anything to do with that so that's a one-way ticket to hell i mean yeah my parents weren't religious but i had to go to church through school so they'd be mastering the the week so like i i felt resentful towards my parents who got to sleep in and did not have to experience the same church going life i did at school man what a terrible one the the parents get to sleep in and the kid has to go to church that's that is wrong

that's just wrong it's kind of funny though it's kind of badass in like a way as a parent to a 16 or almost 17 year old i i like it sure just to be like every day every weekend on friday and saturday or on saturday and sunday if she has to get up and do something at like eight in the morning, it's funny to me every single time. Because of all the times I had to get up at eight in the morning to take her to some shit before she got her license. You know, now I'm seeing it from the parents' point of view. Yeah, I can see the positive yeah i mean i had like a cool 15 years of driving her wherever she needed to be at whatever time she needed to be there and now it's just like i wake up at noon and walk downstairs and say like how how's your day going she's like i've been up since 6 30 yeah

well you know maybe you should become a podcaster yes exactly i mean that's why my parents actively discourage any kind of after-school activities like no sports no clubs just come home and watch tv until it's bedtime you know i wanted to be that way too like because when she was little i i'm glad she won't hear this but like i hated going to like soccer games and there was this talent show that they would do where they let every single kid that wanted to be in the talent show be in it and they didn't tell them what they were allowed to do so they all did like basically all of them dance just dance there weren't singers there weren't comediansians. There weren't bands or anything like that. They just danced to the pop hit of the day.

So you would sit in an auditorium for four and a half hours and watch them dance to the same song over and over and over again and it was just like oh you deserve anything bad that happens for putting me through that five years in a row you know i blame the teachers for not properly like directing that show like the teachers really fell there yeah i would have just said like hey you know because i used to say this to my daughter all the time she would like her and her friend when they were like you know six and seven would make what they called plays and they would bring us outside they'd be like everybody come outside and you know you come outside and they'd be like we're gonna do this play and then they would start talking and then be like wait no hold on wait no hold on and this was after i had started doing live gigs and shit and i was just like you can't do that to an audience you gotta be ready to go man you gotta go with it you're

losing me here uh but uh i i do like the bit that ned is scared by a child bully like that nelson runs him off with a threat and but it also feels like weirdly regional specific for ned to call jelly beans jellies like i've never heard jelly beans called jellies it's uh neither that's weird but it's uh but they're i thought it was jellies i thought it was little jars of jelly until you just said jelly beans in in the drawing it's definitely jelly beans to me in the in the arc like which two of every flavor for jelly beans. Like that makes sense. They just call them jellies.

Is jelly bean a copywritten term? You know what? It could be. It could be. But also it's very fitting that Maude would have it all be plain flavored things because she likes unflavored ice milk. It checks out. I do like that.

I'm looking up jelly bean now because i can't imagine that that is a trademarked word the jelly jelly belly i know that uh i've been to the jelly belly factory it's a it's a good time if you don't mind looking at paintings of ronald reagan that's the one thing he did like those yeah oh he loved him yeah but uh but yeah so he terrifies wiggum and and ralph and they both decide they're gonna to go sit in the car. This is then they have another deleted scene. So we see that Carl and Lenny are disappointed. I love Lenny's line of like a religious theme park with no alcohol.

Now I've seen everything. While Carl rejects that it's made the chocolates made out of carob. So then there's the leaded scene after that where ned says well that both of those things aren't here because alcohol and sugar are sinful and maude wouldn't want that and then marge calls the place worse than epcot oh yeah which they'd cut out a pair i think scully says they actually were afraid of like pissing off disney with that joke so they they cut it but i've been to epcot you can drink there you can drink it's epcot is my favorite of those four when i've been and when i went there

of drinking age because like oh wow i can have like awesome beer with efficient chips in england in fake england i've only been there once to epcot and disney and i was like very young i think i was 12 or 13 and everybody in my family liked epcot more but i do wonder if we liked it more because you didn't have to wait in line as long to get on the right oh yeah no it was it's way i hated it when i went there when i was 12 because on a school trip because they're like no you're going to epcot because it's educational you don't get to go to the fun rides on the school trip just epcot and epcot's so boring if you can't like drink or if you don't also if you don't care about like eating food from like france or japan which as a little kid like i don't give a crap like which country has the best nuggets yeah where are the chicken

nuggets i'm going to the chicken nuggets like but in columbus they put a water park directly next to the zoo and like when you can ask anybody that is that grew up here like how they felt about going to the zoo and they would just be like i just looked at wyandotte lake all the time i would just stand around i'd be like what are we gonna look at fucking gorillas or something who cares let's go ride water slide like everybody would be mad about it nobody liked field trips to the zoo and i was like they really like shot themselves in the foot putting a beautiful water park right next to the zoo because it makes the zoo seem awful you're just you're looking at a lizard and hearing screams of joy from over a fence yeah one of the biggest zoos in the country too the columbus zoo is one of the biggest zoos in the country too the columbus zoo is one of the bigger

zoos in the country too so we're it's jack hannah's zoo he's like our guy oh wow yeah i've been there it's a good zoo i can vouch for that not as good as the what zoombeasy bay is what it's called now not as good as zoombeasy bay that's good uh so as everything's falling apart at the park it's less of an amusement park and more of well i, I'll let the clip say it. Get out of the way, pal. You're blocking the exit. Oh, you want me to stamp your hand so you can get back in? Don't you dare. Bye, everybody.

What the ripoff? It ain't even worth touching. Wow, where's everyone going? What's wrong? This place is the height of tedium. Yar, she blows. Oh, Maude, I turned your dream of a Christian amusement park into a bee-musement park. Don't say that, Ned. It is. It's a bee-musement park.

I'm sorry, sweetheart. Please don't look at me like that uh i another of my favorite jokes in this is like the overreaction to be amusement park and what uh don't say that what a lame turn of phrase it is that's that's good yeah but then this kind of turns again talk about retreaded territory this then sort of turns into the angel statue episode very briefly like it's a miracle comes to town and everybody questions that i mean the mass starts floating it definitely seems also like a play on all those stories of like the virgin mary appears in a wall or appears in a piece of bread or whatever and so that or like the crying virgin mary statue and but in this case it's the floating mask of

of maude and yeah i i also just love the reveal this floating mess this is a very quick clip but i really i actually do like this wig of light a lot it's probably the best joke in the show i think it's a miracle it's almost like she's alive again. What's that floating mask? You want me to shoot everyone? I'm just screwing with you. It's a miracle. Yeah.

This is why Wiggin puts his hand on his gun as he says it. He's a real cut up this episode, Wiggin. It was a good act break joke. Cut that on the treacle. And yes, then when they come back from break, we also get a good line from Chalmers just going like, you know, just deciding he will rub his eyes in disbelief. He's not sure at first. He's like, you know what?

Why not? Yeah. Those are the two of the best reactions to something surprising is throwing the bottle behind your back or rubbing your eyes and gasping. Yeah. reactions to something surprising is throwing the bottle behind your back or rubbing your eyes and gasping yeah and i like that mo sees it as an approval to uh just let anarchy reign but he just kicks one bag once and then agnes like hey stop that and he must agree to it instead of lisa doing the doubting it's skinner here which actually makes more sense because Skinner then gets to like pass out and have a freak out about it and just say a bunch of

tongues which his vision of heaven is very interesting here in this next clip it was incredible I saw heaven but it wasn't clouds and angels playing harps like at the end of so many three stooges shorts it was a golden elementary

school with a teacher's lounge that stretched as far as the eye could see. And no one was ever tardy. Was I there? No, it was heaven. My vision of heaven. Oh, truly, this was the will of Maude. Hey, I want the Maude statue to give me a vision. Yeah, I want a Hello Snake, too.

I'm sorry, the ticket price doesn't cover visions, miracles, or other godly hoo-ha. Yeah, folks, the power of Christ compels you to give Ned an extra ten bucks. Homer, no, I can't exploit a divine manifestation. Why not? Everybody's doing it. You could give the money to the orphanage. I hear they need a new wall. Sweet is not enough. The sudden appearance of the orphans I like because this episode is very light on the jokes,

but just them appearing, these Depression-era orphans. Tress McNeil's disgusting cough as one of them poor violet i think her name is it's patches and poor violet patches and poor violet are the combo that's poor violet there they've used poor violet before but she's never had a hacking cough the i think they realize like oh trust mcneil is really good at doing like a hacky smoker's cough like so this is dying child just hacking away they like it so much they put it after the gracie films thing at the very end of the episode uh yeah his description that heaven looked like that in three stooges shorts i i chuckled at that because i i looked it up the most look up 1955's bedlam

in paradise if you'd like to see a three stooges short that looks like that uh though it's all i love the three stooges do they all die and they though it's all i love the three stooges do they all die and they're playing harps is that how it works uh yeah usually they all die bedlam in paradise though it's a shimp one so you know you might want to go a little look a little earlier for one if you're not a shimp fan but uh but yeah this the profiting off of it is uh you know i i've many christian businessmen like Ned turn to sinful profit under the cover of charity. So I'm not surprised that that's what got him there, too. Though, I mean, is all the money going to the kids?

Because I got to think Homer and Bart are wetting their beaks a little bit in this $10. That giant dish is not secure. No, no. Yeah. That's just going to get stolen by Mo. You know, I forgot it was 19 or 2000 and thought like man ten dollars is a deal you can't get anything for ten dollars in an amusement park now no way and you're lucky if you get a corn dog for no it's like i just bought a corn dog at disneyland

it's 14 bucks 14 bucks for a corn dog at disneyland that's a corn dog they probably didn't even make that corn dog they probably had it shipped in it's a quality corn dog i will say it's one of the best corn dogs i ever ate but 13 okay yeah uh and so then then it again becomes another like series of sketches of just what is people's vision of heaven and we were talking about this beforehand bob why stop at just two in this cavalcade of characters make this the rest of the show because it was all pretty funny yeah yes disco stew was great yeah as soon as i saw your thing as soon as i saw uh bob's background i was like oh that was the part i loved i have like a real soft spot for disco stew because we had a disco guy in my neighborhood where i grew

up they just called him disco guy but he would like walk up and down the street in like disco clothes and like listening to music on a boom box oh and like he was in groveport ohio i mean for he could still be there i haven't been back uh that's i mean i didn't realize real disco stews existed on people's streets like this but he was like a east side of columbus like fixture like people just knew the disco guy i think i'm even getting his name wrong. He had like a more creative name because people are a lot meaner. But yeah, he was just a disco guy that was around. And we would just be like, dude, that guy's got to be pretty happy. I think is what we all thought.

We just had a guy who looked identical to Mr. Bean and was always at the mall. Did you yell, hey, Mr. Bean, every time you saw him? Because that's what me and my friends would have done and that's not cool no one i knew had the courage to do that but we would all talk about the mr bean guy and he was there again uh but uh but yes disco stew's vision of heaven is studio 54 which has a very insider joke in it there now this joke is also referenced on the clerk's animated series yes because there is a picture in the simpsons writers room or at least at the time there was of the writer ian maxton

graham with uh andy warhol liza minnelli and the founder of studio 54 inside studio 54 so that is what this joke is about it's very inside but it's ian maxton graham the very tall man in line with everyone in that picture it's john travolta was not in the picture but it's Ian Maxton Graham, the very tall man, in line with everyone in that picture. John Travolta was not in the picture, but it's just a fun John Travolta impression. It's insane. Yeah, there's the joke in the, the Clark's joke of it is in the outbreak episode. But yeah, it's just that it's a funny thing to all of these,

like Ian Maxton Graham wrote for SNL as well. And so SNL writers know it. And it's just like, what a funny thing that this very tall man who's known for being like boring and also like kind of a rich kid. Like, oh, his photo is him. And they're like the cocaine-iest of days at Studio 54. There he is. I got to ask you something, Henry, because you just mentioned something and now I'm very curious about it have you guys watched like the clerks animated series did I just hear you mention it and then

speak with some authority about a specific episode oh yeah yes never spoken to a person that's seen more than one episode of that show uh I think we both on the dvds or at least I do no I got him okay yeah we're right there yeah yeah over there wow, or at least I do. No, I got him. They're right there. Wow, he does. I mean, I do too. We just covered it on our other series maybe two or three years ago, on our other podcast series. No, but we watched it before the podcast.

I mean, yes, me and Bob are recovering Kevin Smith fans. We were. Me too. Yeah. And now he's a podcaster just like us brought low no longer well i guess he still makes films in addition to podcasting in a way i mean i could even go further with you guys and say that i sometimes will listen to fat man beyond his his podcast about like comic book movies and shit because like every time i see a comic book movie i assume there's like 30 jokes in it that i didn't get

because i don't read comic books so i always have to listen to a podcast after to figure out like what i missed because you know i i know they make it sound like those movies are like for laymen but they're not because if you're me and you're sitting in a movie theater and people are enjoying themselves and laughing because some guy walked on screen. You feel left out. Well, unfortunately, I am that person to my friends. I am the guy who explains those things. I think like the Kevin Smith's, the Kevin Smith clerk's cartoon is at one point in time, there was not enough Kevin Smith content.

So I would buy all the DVDs, listen to all the commentaries, watch them over and over. The clerk's thing was released when he had what like four movies out yeah that's basically all there was so i watched those episodes over and over again and heard the commentary which is why i know what the explanation of that joke oh yes i love i really love the evening with kevin smith stuff when i was like in my 20s i was like man this is as like as good as it gets this is great because i think because it is a guy standing on stage without pressure of being funny every two minutes like a stand-up comedian has to or every one minute really so i i always really like that yeah it's just a guy telling stories on stage i mean the most when i've re-watched him the biggest cringes i have watching him are just the fans asking these questions that

i'm like how the the balls on you to ask this question of like hey how much money are you worth they're like i did you read my screenplay like yeah him goofing on fans is kind of cringy i also would fast forward past the here's a 40 minute description of me having sex with my wife. Well, of course. Yeah. I don't actually, it's a nerd bragging. I know you, I know you were Henry watched all out. I don't know if you watch the media scrum after. Of course I did.

Yeah. You listen to like 30 podcasts. I, I, I do too. I, I have like four. I actually pay for the wrestling observer.

Oh, me too. Me too. 33, like 100 something a year. I think it's like, yeah. But yeah, I watch the Scrum. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Did you see the guy that asked Punk to rate his match?

And then Punk told him what he thought his match, asked him what he thinks. And he was like, I'd say an 8.5 and i was just like the balls on this guy he told he told cm punk to his face he's like seemed like he gassed a little bit it's like how fucking did like it was like no he did well what the like yeah i the balls on that guy to say to cm punk's face i'm like see yeah that that was uh i couldn't i well i could believe it but i also couldn't yeah i loved it i gotta say because i'm like see yeah that that was i couldn't i well i could believe it but i also couldn't yeah i loved it i gotta say because i'm a very not a confrontational guy so like when i see a guy that's that willing to go all in on like i'm gonna rate you we just did a live show and we do a q a

at the end and a guy came up and said you know i'm a big fan of your show but you know what i don't like on your show in front of the whole room and we got a bad review in front of a room of people i'd rather have it there than on itunes where it's just there forever sure true you know keep it in the room mad he was just mad because he thinks we talk about mcu movies too much but he doesn't he i don't think he has the patreon because we're not talking about the marvel cinematic universe when we say mcu we're talking about like date movie we call it the movie cinematic universe and we're just trying to be funny by naming the show street fight reviews the mcu i think uh you know i can't judge that guy too much for that

bad question to cm punk because a decade ago at a video game thing i got to interview cm punk for my old video game job and i asked him a question that i thought was just you know interesting and then later i found out it was one of the things he hated most about when he worked in wwe i basically asked him like hey you're the champ but you don't main event all the time what's the deal with that and and he was like i thought he would think that would be like oh what an insightful question from a fan who really follows it but i looking back on it i can see like i really like jabbed him right in his like sensitive place identified a personal failure like any true fan uh but but yeah well this this bit of

disco stews heaven just to get back to the show the uh here frank sinatra for me this is hell you dig pally yeah and we last heard so we're doing season two at the same time, Brian. We last heard Get Dancin' by Disco Texan and Sexolettes in Bart vs. Thanksgiving. So they kept that in their back pocket. They're like, we're going to use this again in, let's say, 10 years. It's a great, terrible disco song. Like, do-da-do-da-do-da. It just drills into your head.

And that Sinatra, who had died in 1998, is here in hell for him. Like, that's a good joke. It's where he belongs, I think. Oh, yeah. For many, I'm sure Sinatra did many things to send him to hell. I once got screamed at for saying the Rat Pack sucks at a live show in Las Vegas. Ooh, that's not a place to say it, if you're going to say it anywhere. Yeah. but so then

bart just sweeps him away in a very funny little bit there and then we get comic book guy's dream sequence which uh you know what i was gonna say it didn't feel right for comic book guy but i'm thinking of a modern day comic book guy a comic book guy who's 45 in 2001 would super duper be into all of these mid-60s geek things. Like, that would be his heaven of, I'm Spock on Star Trek, and I'm going to have sex with Uhura, Julie Newmar's Catwoman, and Barbara Felden, Agent 99 from Get Smart. Yeah, I was trying to figure out which Catwoman it was, and I identified Julie Newmar. I think it's Newmar. You know, the hairstyle is very, it's much more new more newmar than lee mary but using his spock powers to fix

kirk's spinning chair and then we see at the end he's got like a space burrito which like uh explodes very suggestively when he's told to make out with three different women at the same i know though i would think in comic book guys heaven he wouldn't incorrectly have spock say shazbot which is what morke says he would say something that spock says like uh highly illogical or whatever that's and he wouldn't use powers that spock doesn't have that i think comic book guy would be much more accurate in his vision of heaven well he is uh breathing in poison gas so all right there are some factual inaccuracies in his vision i huffed gas all the time growing up they don't make you see heaven they're gonna take it this overstates what huffing does to you yeah it turned on a whole generation no the huffing does some

crazy shit to you you'd almost rather it be seeing heaven because believe me we used to huff gas at a graveyard in the middle of nowhere. We would all hit the gas can like 10 times and then take off running into a cornfield and try to tackle each other at like two in the morning. So that was like kind of part of my childhood. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You see, our new Net Zero Hub has all

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That's good times. Yeah, these are the Ohio pastimes. And so, yes, then Edna's next, but we don't get to see her vision. Yeah, yeah. Not in the deleted scenes either. It feels like there's like usually there's a rule of threes, right? So I feel like something is missing. I mean, yeah, but instead we get to learn what the secret is pretty quickly about these visions.

Everyone's just getting goofy from the gas. Oh, she's so... Uh, folks, I just discovered something about this statue that may disappoint you. You see... What is it, Mr. Flanders? Is something wrong with the miracle? Will there still be money for the orphans? Hello, gas company.

How poisonous is your gas? Wow. But I'm talking about, you know, outdoors with plenty of ventilation. How could that be worse? Okay, permanent brain damage or just temporary? I see. Got to close Praise Land down. Someone could get hurt.

That exchange was really funny, too. I do like that he has to say like somehow how could it be worse like it makes no physical sense that it would be worse but somehow it is yeah i was thinking of covid yes yeah me too i exactly exactly also when i found out it was gas i got mildly annoyed that it was gas that was blowing the mask up earlier in the show because i was like to have a gas leak like that i think everybody would know there was a gas yeah that's true yeah i guess this is unscented gas i guess yeah usually there's a smell put there to let you know there's a gas leak hank hill taught me that yeah yeah i yes uh the but yeah apparently the gas effect once also when ned actually looks at it's

like oh it's quite obvious this is like gas flumes coming out like it's wavy air okay good which that's a better gas joke when march says like when did the air get so wavy in here that's that's a good but apparently that's a special effect they had to do on the cells they had to double photograph them it's actually really hard to do effects like that rippled glass right yeah and they had to do it back in the physical days these days you know it's just digital effect you tell them to do it but i also do like that bart just tells homer like hey put your head in and check like he's bart's trying to kill homer I do like they they use the same style of joke three times in this so we have my amusement park is a b amusement park this phenomenon is a phenomenon

and then Wiggum says this praise land is more of a craze land so there's this really subtle running joke throughout this episode of characters saying these very stupid corny lines so at this moment when homer and ned are talking about what to do this is when the gigantic deleted ending of the episode begins so i think we should approach that now the yeah so uh the way this episode was intended to end it's on the dvds you can see the animatic for this original ending is that ned decides to close down the park then rachel shows up that does not happen at the very end of the episode she shows up she enters the park then rachel shows up that does not happen at the very end of the episode she shows up she enters the park with ned that's when they discover that the gas has killed someone but it has killed there's a dead body on screen in front of the

gas there's a dead body in front of the statue they turn the body over but the gas has killed a killer marge identifies him as the gentleman killer gasp it's the gentleman killer yeah and then uh wiggum celebrates the uh death of the gentleman killer by lighting a cigar and throwing the match behind him it causes a gigantic mushroom cloud to explode uh seemingly killing everyone in springfield yeah ned wakes up in the hospital he finds out that no one else was hurt the episode ends just smash guy like ned is in the hospital. He finds out that no one else was hurt. The episode ends. Just smash. Ned is in a hospital bed with a broken arm and leg.

And Hibber goes, nobody else was hurt. Ha ha ha. The end. Yeah. And so the animators had to like this animatic. It's not full animation. It's not in color. But a lot of animators worked very hard to mat like to do a gigantic

explosion in the animatic and all this other stuff and apparently the reason scully cut it he says is that they felt it seemed very cheap that a killer you never heard about early in the episode is found dead and that's how they get away with having a dead body so they're like they they decided to have a little more heartfelt ending but it's just they did so many other episodes this season where they're just like now the ending's like pulled out of our ass who fucking cares but this one they're like it seems a little cheap just to have this killer show up and have died like i like the idea of it killing somebody for some i have listened to a few episodes and every time you guys are like this was the alternate ending i'm here's the thing i always am like i wish that was the actual ending

of the show that sounds fucking awesome but also i have to i have to preface or i have to say that i i like a lot of bad stuff i'm a guy that is just like if it sucks it's for me and i watch a lot of bad stuff. I'm a guy that is just like, if it sucks, it's for me. And I watch a lot of sucky stuff. I think they didn't say this on the commentary, but I think they didn't want to go so far as to have Ned kill a person through not closing it. I think even if it's a killer who it was good,

he killed him apparently, they still are like, nah, we don't want Ned to have killed I think the alternate ending is more in line with the tone of this season but it's not a fitting ending to an emotional story about Ned but they shouldn't be telling that story in the first place so I feel like this would

have been better but I think it would have made a lot of people very angry if it had aired in 2001 I probably would have knowing how pissed I got about other endings in 2000 and 2001 I think I'd have been how pissed i got about other endings in 2000 and 2001 i think i'd have been pretty pissed by that ending yeah but uh but instead i love it i love the idea of a guy getting killed at the end of the simpsons for some reason i i prefer now but yeah it's maybe i i'd have been pissed off then if they killed off a dude like oh they murdered a guy on the show but

yeah they're selling out ned's character now it's like if it would have been funnier i prefer the funny nerdy funnier scene in in now these days but i guess it's weird because i don't think of this show as like serialized at all and i just felt like you could almost do anything you want in an episode of the simpsons and it doesn't affect the next episode of the simpsons like you can but like i also understand that people want some kind of canon and and it like sort of thing that they understand you know like uh i'm trying i can't think of the words so i mean this is the one time that they have to acknowledge i mean this is one of very few times

where they have to acknowledge continuity and this is actually one time that they have to acknowledge. I mean, this is one of very few times where they have to acknowledge continuity. And this is actually one of the few sequel episodes where they rarely do them. I think they're more common now. But yeah, they are trying again. They're trying to heal that wound. So in the as broadcast ending, the orphans are about to light a vigil candle. That's when Homer and Ned crushed them to save their lives. While also like seemingly they've killed the children or crippled destroying their internal organs yes yeah i mean poor uh poor violet already seems to be on like her last legs anyway that uh i think

homer probably pushed her to the edge but um but that that kills the place now every no one wants to be there after seeing that they say i don't think maude flanders would approve of this kirk van houten was very upset by that the orphan crushing this is where wiggum calls it a craze land instead of praise land which then on the uh the artist commentary they go like they think look at his eyes wiggum's eyes in that moment do look kind of big for him but i i prefer giants in simpson his big goofy smile is nice that scene ends on uh and so the rich texan takes back his place he says may the lord have mercy on your gas sniffing orphan beaten soul and uh so also in the original ending rachel actually shows up for the explosion right right but this time they have her show up afterwards which is actually a better

creepy joke with her in the uh old ending because when she shows up she's like well i hope uh you're not creepily obsessed with your wife anymore and then she sees the statue and all these masks and she's like ew like instead she there's a little line about it but pretty much she has moved on and once and she's like let's give it another shot ned i know you did this but let's let's try again out of all the regrets they have on the commentary they really regret making fun of the triple a magazine lifeways lifeways i think it's called westway westway sorry yeah and apparently still in print quarterly you know all these other magazines dead westway is still around you need something to

read while you're getting your oil changed or go to the magazine section of a grocery store now it is like bonkers like people think that all magazines died but it's really just niche magazines still niche magazines for people in their like 60s exist it's for the elderly yeah buddy yeah me and brad have gotten more than one show out of like just buying a magazine and being like okay this is weird you know my cvs they got rid of the magazine section now i couldn't buy a magazine if i wanted to like it's grocery store only but the grocery store still has a pretty big magazine section and barnes and noble has magazines so rachel returns in our final clip here as we get uh honestly a too sweet of an ending and i don't

mean that in the wrestling sense hey ned i just read about your park in that horrible triple a magazine dude yeah look who's here it's that girl you don't like. Not! Hey, your hair's grown back real nice. It's a wig. And let's never speak of it again. So what happened here? How about I explain it to you over a cup of coffee? That is, if you're willing to give me another shot. Are you sure you want to do this, Ned? I'm sure.

So how about a movie tomorrow night? Sounds great. I think that is going to be all right. I guess Homer stalking them is kind of a joke. That at least gets her a little of the cuteness of that ending. And I suppose the joke is it's a misdirect that you think that Ned and her are about to have sex. When she says, are you sure you want to do this? And they're in the bedroom. You're supposed to think they her about to have sex like when she says are you sure you want to do this and they're in the bedroom you're supposed to think they're gonna have sex yeah which yeah i mean i was expecting a whole other scene at the end of this like i was expecting uh

i didn't know that this was the end of the episode i thought when it went to black at for the split second that i was like oh you know it can't be over yet time to go to the movies yeah yeah what movie did they see now i scully jokes that they pitched dirtier scenes of this in the writer's room that they knew they wouldn't do but they're like but but clearly this ending they did think rachel's coming back like she'll be his regular girlfriend every time we see ned he he'll be with Rachel again. Or I think that's even why they gave her the traveling musician job, because it would give an excuse for her to not be around sometimes for jokes.

That's a good point. And also like, it's a real lot for Ned to put on her of like, Hey, your job is my new girlfriend is also to help me move on from my wife. Like actually like physically help me with that. I, you know, Rachelachel i guess she's a very christian woman but i would have just said like hey that's not my job buddy go to go to therapy for two years and then we'll see and then we'll have that coffee i'm not going to date the insanity out of you yeah yeah but yeah homer at least how do they not see homer under their bed

that feels i think they just accept that homer is yeah he's just gonna be watching over us and i do like homer's little fun run away as he like giggles away i mean it's ridiculous he's basically like spongebob squarepants running away and cackling but it's it's at least a funny drawing but yeah like too sweet of an ending that's my that's my final feeling on that yeah they wanted it you want they wanted you to feel happy for ned or whatever when it's like i'd rather they blow up the whole town and joke about like oh and everyone's fine whatever me too yeah like we're talking about earlier like brian said it's light on jokes and i just don't like the acknowledgement of the moth thing i think we just need to move past this especially a year later they realize it made people mad yeah this doesn't really help and

she never comes back they should have just unkilled her they should have just had this episode be like, Maude shows up, she's like, actually, I didn't die. And that's the end of the episode. A lot of good jokes can come out of that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that is totally possible to do. They do that in serialized live action shows.

I think they can figure it out on an animated show. Yeah, just say she's been in a coma somewhere and missing the whole time. I mean, it's also a show where like they toss continuity out the door all the time like why not do it but i mean they've they've had mod come back for like a half dozen episodes and flashbacks and all that heaven yeah and heaven yeah the the most recent one their 700th episode they did was a mod episode like it takes place it's about rod's birth at christmas time and it's a homer

and maude like adventure and flashback to the far off year of 2015 yes yeah uh remember before maggie was born in the year 2015 when we took an uber to the party like yeah it's it's weird it's very weird yeah that is an odd thing that they have to do but i mean i guess it makes i remember being like underwhelmed by the episode where like lisa's an adult when when they go into the future just being kind of like i don't know i thought this was going to be better there are diminishing returns i think on the future episodes for now they now they just do like five future episodes a season pretty much yeah there's a lot of them uh but yeah i guess brian any final thoughts uh it was fun to watch the simpsons again i you know i might i was thinking i'll probably watch some more episodes of course i'll go to

like season 30 because i i like stuff that people say suck so i i am thinking about looking at some later episodes and seeing what people don't like about it but really the thing is like i don't like not like the simpsons i just haven't thought to watch it i don't watch a lot of animated stuff anyway like this is probably the first animated thing i've watched in so many years. And it was fun to watch. It was fun to watch The Simpsons again. Well, now there's a lot of it. That's my final thought. If you ever want to go back.

You know, I should have asked this before. Was it anything growing up that your last name is similar to the mayor's last name? No, but I quit doing stand-up comedy because of that. That was the main reason I quit doing standup is because I would go do open mic nights. And I had this, like, I mean,

if you've heard street fight, I have like a kind of, I think people think I'm a nice guy, but I'm like, I've had dark times in my life as like part of the thing. So a lot of my standup was like kind of dark and kind of edgy and like the guy would announce me and i'd be going up there talking about like stealing my daughter's cough syrup and like uh to get high off of it and like stealing copper wire and like all

this like really dirtbag stuff and every time the guy would be like brian vote quinnby you know because it's from the simpsons and i would just be like it's not even the same name it's spelled with an n and uh it just i felt like it it cheapened what i was about to do in a way because it it sounds like i should come up and be doing like jerking off jokes or whatever like other comedians well i mean there was a brief period and around this time actually where mr mackie was a big character on south park and i'm also mr mackie so uh i'm glad they retired that character or at least stop using him as much that's good yeah to me mr mackie the okay thing i think i probably did that for a decade and i thought he was the funniest character

in the world and i was just excited to see him i liked it more than garrison yeah even though he ruined my name sure but uh brian thanks for being on the show please tell our audience about street fight radio and what's going on your patreon this episode actually goes live in mid-december so you'll be done with shocktober i recommend everyone go back and check it out i love your episodes about shock jocks they're always very good honestly just if you get on the street fight patron i don't know what i'm going to be doing in december but i will say this we do mini series and we have a whole back catalog of of uh pretty weird specific things and uh shock jocks mega pastors sports talk radio hosts kid rock i enjoyed your real

sex series your looks at the real sex episodes from hbo yes we did watch real sex and i embarrassed myself for six weeks but like yeah they're just like we do a just only mini series so like the the show street fight on the main feed is like about work and what it's like to live in like capitalist america then the patreon is like it could be about anything for five weeks but people tend to really like my show shocktober which i do uh this year with chris james and felix biederman it's already over but uh you know people will people tend to get a lot out of that show uh especially i mean it doesn't matter if you've ever heard a shock jock or anything i hear from equally from people who are like i i listen to shock jocks all the time and people who are

like i can't stop listening to shocked over because i'm horrified that people listen to this for such a long time. That's awesome. And I'm looking forward to more of your wrestling stuff with Leslie Lee at Struggle Session 2. That was really great. There'll be a lot more of that. Awesome. Well, but thank you so much, Brian. Thanks again to Brian Quinby

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