Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Itchy & Scratchy: The Movie With Nina Matsumoto

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

As we explore an episode all about animation history, we're joined once again by the award-winning artist Nina Matsumoto! Yes, it's time for the greatest animated film of the 1990s, Itchy & Scratchy: The Movie, and Bart is very excited to see it. But as we explore parenting and discipline, we also chat about how this reflects the animation industry at the time. All that plus MANY tangents about Star Trek, pet ownership, new apartments, and tons more, so if you like stories, listen now! Support this podcast and get over 150 bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking Simpsons head there to check out exclusive podcasts like talking Futurama talking of the hill the what a cartoon movie podcast and tons more I hardly endorse this event or product Our product. and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today, as always? Bang Bang Bart himself, Henry Gilbert, hello! And who is our special guest directly to the left of me? Nina Matsumoto, so very tired. It's true. And this week's episode is Itchy and Scratchy, the movie. All right, ladies!

Prepare to be blown away by Bang Bang Bart! This episode originally aired on November 3rd, 1992, and as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh my god! Happy Election Day, Bobby! Madonna's sex replaces Rush Limbaugh's The Way Things Ought To Be in the New York Times non-fiction charts. Whitney Houston's cover for I Will Always Love You is released as a single. Soon the single will take over the Billboard charts. And a little man named Bill Clinton is now president-elect of the easy United States.

To quote the critic, fat, lecherous hillbilly elected president. It was a big day. This wasn't what happened this week either. This was the election day. This wasn't what happened this week either. This was the election day. This is the night it happened. This episode was airing as the election results were pouring in. A rare Tuesday new episode of The Simpsons. This was a stunt.

Yes, it was a crazy stunt. The network schedulers thought, folks are bored by election results. They don't care about that, even though this was a very exciting election, as I recall back then as a kid. Much more than Dole and Clinton felt like, you know, four years later. And then they air this episode, brand new episode. It is the start of sweeps. So, you know, you can understand that too. November sweeps being the time when ratings are measured more closely than usual in the old style of ratings.

And so you want as big ratings as possible. So I get burning it off that it was this and then two reruns of Martin and In Living Color and then a brand new episode of Herman's Head. So that was everything else. Election results on their competing stations. But that was the Fox programming. They couldn't even put together a new Martin for this night of programming. They burn off a new simpsons but they're like we gotta hold back on these martin episodes we now i think i'm pulling this out of my ass but i'm pretty sure that sweeps

is what it was i'm not sure if it still exists it's because the ratings that happen during sweeps determine the prices of the ads that are bought which it seems like they're cooking the numbers by making the craziest things happen during sweeps you You think the sponsor would say, no, let's make this another week that we determine the prices of ads. But no, it was like that for a long time. I think that's the way it worked. Well, now these days it's about not knowing any numbers and you just have to believe what the company tells you what a number is. So there's no publicly known ratings for anything. Well, now the numbers aren't like this many people watched it just says 500 billion minutes of stranger things have been watched yes or left on while people fell asleep

or whatever or left the room you hear everything's the most watched movie of all time but fox thought that the bill clinton election was not going to be a big deal that they well i mean there's been some argument did ross perot cost H.W. Bush the election? Or was it the economy, stupid? Was Bill Clinton just that good? What did it? But it was the night. I think on later commentaries,

Matt Groening says, like, I told you so. You guys thought he wouldn't get elected, but I told you he would. So it sounded like there was definitely doubt among adults then. I don't remember how my parents were feeling about it, but I know who my dad voted for, and it was not clinton but i can't say who how surprised it was they thought this would kill the ratings for this episode but then they were pleasantly surprised to see

it was basically about 85 of what a normal episode would get and then this would actually outperform episodes later in the season so it wasn't even that big of a deal but we really were bored by politics even after so many years of Republican president and a Democrat coming in to overturn that. Well, I was up in Canada, so I didn't know anything about American politics or Canadian politics. Politics in general, I was like, what, seven years old. As a seven year old, I only judge people by their looks, as you do when you're little. And now I remember being glad that Bill Clinton, I don't know who he was, beat out that funny-looking man, Ross Perot. Well, you didn't know about NAFTA. It's very complicated, but it's bad.

It deals with the other border, not the Canada border. Well, yes, actually, I think it does deal with the Canada border. North American Free Trade Agreements. That's right. So I guess it would include Canada, too. I'm very wrong there. We knew about it through Saturday Night Live comedy because our favorite Wayne's World actors were also playing the presidents on television.

So that's the main thing I knew about Clinton. Yeah. And Dana Carvey playing two of the candidates at once with David Stade standing in for Ross Perot when you see him from behind. That's right. Yeah. I just remember like even as a kid, I couldn't take Perot seriously. And I just kind of felt sorry for him because everyone was making fun of him. He kept saying, can I finish?

It was funny. He said it all the time. I'm sure it was an interesting time. Also, like Ross Perot would buy ads on TV. I was seeing, too, that it was that Bill Clinton was the first baby boomer president as well. And we haven't had one since no no i'm kidding uh barack obama is like on the razor's edge between baby boomer and gen xer he's definitely a baby boomer but then after him it's like no more uh we have to go older

until the silent generation or whatever is in their hundreds then we can look at boomers again now that they're in their 80s but until then we'll we'll get a gen x president when gen xers are 70 that's that's when we get a gen x president yeah we were just talking about joe biden recently and i had the thought that oh he's kind of too old to be into the beatles he was a grown-ass man when the beatles came out yeah when he heard the beatles he like, music should be about two drag racers and one of them dies, Jack. These guys aren't singing about leather jackets at all. Speaking of music, Madonna's Sex, the salacious book of sexy portraits, took number one, beating Rush Limbaugh's The Way Things Ought to Be.

This was basically like a hardcover OnlyFans. It's like, do you want to see Madonna naked? Well, go to Barnes and Noble, pay $60 for a sealed book, take it home, and then whatever you want to see madonna naked well go to barnes and noble pay 60 dollars for a sealed book take it home and then whatever you want to do with those pages buddy it's a free country yeah now like pop stars just post pictures like that of themselves on twitter whatever the next big social media thing is going to be every time i use facebook i will get those promoted things of like britney spears bears all a new instagram post or whatever like it it happens

all the time but madonna did it first well she's doing first but everybody was freaked out by her sexuality now i was gonna see madonna this summer on her big new tour it's like a greatest hits tour but she had a health scare of some kind and had to go to the hospital she's doing better now i think she's gonna redo those tour dates but she was supposed to come up here to seattle and i was gonna see madonna live i've never seen her live i want to see her live once that's how these the acts get the money they're like hey i might die you never know well i just saw posters for the aerosmith farewell tour so i mean he's gonna be saying farewell from prison cell exactly yeah and lastly with music yes whitney houston's covered i will always love you it is now released as a single it will set records it will be number one on the

charts in america for 14 weeks straight i think it that does get broken eventually and sells 3.1 million copies you could not escape this we as kids did not know it was a cover yeah definitely not not until much later in life and we have to resist the urge to put this in any new story a recap for the next i don't know eight months worth of podcasts it's what sucks i always like looking like okay what's number one on the billboards that's always fun to reference but it's like no just until i think february uh episodes of season four i cannot talk about what's number one on the charts because it will be this song. And I have not

ever seen The Bodyguard. Anyone in this room? I was just about to ask if either of you have seen it because I've been tempted to watch it. Every time I fire it up on a streaming network I'm like, eh, nah. I heard it's like okay. I've heard Kevin Costner

seems to be a little condescending I heard somebody talk about it on a podcast recently and they're like I feel uncomfortable how condescendingly he talks to the black characters in this movie it feels weird and loaded if I want to see a movie about a bodyguard from 1993 or 92

I'd watch In the Line of Fire and that's my final statement sorry what is that? it's the Clint Eastwood movie where he is the secret service agent against john malkovich he failed jfk and malkovich is taunting him of like you're gonna let another president die and john malkovich basically he builds the gun that killed shinzo abe that's right i would rather watch that yes hey see okay so after you see that then watch that but i mean nina you're on a real jcvd completist run right now aren't you with movies i have been for like several months now

how close are you to done maybe i've got like 10 more movies to go i've already watched like 40 of his films wow because because she's doing this i've been doing a lot of bad jcbd impressions and also because street fighter was on Tubi or Freebie or Devo or whatever. And we watched the whole thing and it's like, oh, I like this movie. I've really turned the corner on that movie. I have turned the corner. I have

been keeping a list. It's a private list right now. I'll release it to the public in my letterbox once it's done, but I've been ranking all the JCBD films. And Street Fighter for me is pretty high up there wow man what what do you think of his uh you know his co-star dennis rodman is uh he's featured in that madonna sex book as well he's in a salacious photo in there how would you rate dennis rodman among his co-stars as a co-star yeah really bad double impact um that no double team

yeah double impact is a different movie yeah also in it is he also in that yeah wait donna dennis robin no no uh jcbd is in double impact and double team yes no the dennis robin one that one was like awful it wasn't even like some of a lot of jcbd stuff is fun to watch uh even if it's bad but that one's just like bad bad you know i haven't watched it since vhs but i heard there's like a new release like maybe even 4k of hard target i haven't seen hard target in a long time i gotta show that one to bob this we're looking at basically this is this peak era correct early 90s yeah yeah it's his time the hard target was like i watched it before i knew who john woo was and why it was cool that he was making a movie with Jean-Claude Van Damme.

Anyway, there's no JCVD news this week, sadly, that I could pull from. I had to be careful with basically I have to use this week's news twice because next episode of season four is just two days after this. What a time to be alive. I just wanted to say, though, that my highest rated JCVD film is still only 3.5 stars. Wow. Wow. So you're enjoying it in some level of irony of watching them all? Oh, it's almost entirely ironic.

Okay. Most of his movies are terrible. Okay. Last JCVD question. Definitely in the 90s ones, but I fell off his films after the 90s. It seemed like he tried to show his butt in every movie. Does he keep doing that later into his career? He does, actually, even when he's older.

Okay. I mean, he works hard on it, and he's right to show it off. He's still in really good shape. Okay, well, all right. Well, then I know that if I watch some more, I can see more of his glutes as the decades go on. Well, we just talked about JCVD's ass. Now let's talk about a woman with class, Nina Matsumoto. Welcome to the show, Nina.

Thank you. Frequent guest and wife of me. It's our first time recording in Henry's new apartment. Yes, but if you're a border official, we could be doing this from any location, really. Apartment can mean many things. Yes, it's more of a state of mind yeah but you've heard a couple now where we've been remote but now it's back to me and bob in the same room and a third guest in the same room which is still a rare occurrence

how do you guys like my gamer table with its full i hate this logo don't say the logo i don't want to know but it's why does every logo is like a dave's vault like roman warrior guy for every place that makes gamer things? It's to represent gamer strength. This is the biggest desk mat I've ever seen in my life. It covers the entire surface of the desk. Kind of redundant because I have my character ones I really like of Dragon Quest. You've got a desk mat.

Yeah, and Bob's got the Nahobino of Shin Megami 5 on his side. I sure do. The Nahobino's collecting maca, Bob. You'll hear that 800 times if you play SMT5. You'll never hear the end of the Nahobino collecting maca. This episode, though. Yeah. I remember when we did it originally, it was our longest episode to date at 90 minutes.

At that point, that's when we play our first clip on Modern Episodes. But yes, one of the all-time greats. And I always forget how up there it is for me until I watch it again. And this is probably one of my most rewatched episodes in my history with The Simpsons because I didn't record every episode. Hey, blank tape costs money, all right? But this is one I did record and watch the hell out of and also do a lot of freeze framing because this is some of the best rough draft stuff.

They just got a great start with homer the heretic and now even better stuff here we talked about rough draft on homer the heretic please go back and listen to our history about them but they were essentially created to make uh ren and stimpy episodes to the standards of that production team and their early episodes for the simpsons are basically between five to eight percent off model and it makes them so much funnier even looking through frankie and i'm like oh homer's hair is a little bigger here their eyes are a little wider they're always wall-eyed it's so great throughout this episode and it's also very well written too they haven't been broken down to follow all the rules yet it's so much better for that yeah this is a gorgeous episode there's so

many drawings of just especially homer like they draw homer so far and grandpa they look great but also i'm so glad they gave this one to rough draft because this is a tribute to animation like this is to this point the itchy and scratchiest episode the show ever had and so rough draft and they say it on the commentary they say it influenced them doing the critic i think this is what got rough draft hired on the critic to be the main studio for for it because they did such a good job on this one yeah we don't need to say it every time but yes rich more directed this he's supervising director for the critic and futurama and now an oscar winner so obviously it looks really really good and the opening joke not to we're not playing the clip yet but the opening joke even just is a critic joke.

Like that just is, you could have that scene on the critic exactly the same. Absolutely. Jay Sherman would be sitting on the couch after they show the clip making a little fun comment. And I think what also made it special for me is that a lot of references would fly over my head as a kid. But when I saw this at the age of 10, I knew enough about animation and animation history to understand it all. And it made me feel very, very smart as a kid. I didn't get like all of the 70s references, of course, or the 80s ones even. But everything in here really spoke to me.

No, and it's such a great tribute to animation history and also how it feels as a kid to really, really want to watch a movie. And even Lisa gets like caught up in like, no, this movie, you haven't lived through enough film hype to know that like this happens every year it's always the next big movie when you're a little kid you're like this is the big movie of the year we go through it the next year with jurassic park in 1993 like that felt like the biggest super duper advertised to me this is the big important movie kind of movie that was like the biggest super duper advertised to me this is the big important movie kind of movie that was like the countdown to a deal for me too but nina did you you didn't go to as many movies as a kid or did you feel this kind of drive to see a movie i talked about this in a previous podcast i was on with you guys i can't remember which episode it was but i i did explain then

that our family was not a movie watching family and so so I can't relate to Bart or Lisa at all in this episode. I never felt hyped for a movie when I was little. Wow. Except for Ghost Dad, as I talked about. I really wanted to see Ghost Dad. I never got to and I still haven't. We're going to rent that. We're going to get the 4K.

One day. One day I'll watch it. We're going to get the Criterion. I'm going to watch it when I'm old, like at the end of this episode, I'll see it in a theater. But I'll be. Which one's the ghost tag? Cosby.

Cosby's a jerk. He sure is. Now, one other thing I just realized as we're talking about this is I really think this episode was based on the hype for Batman Returns, especially because so much of early simpsons references them seeing batman together anytime you see a line for a movie in the show or like a crazy line it's them reflecting on going to see batman together which is reflected in this episode but i feel like when this was written that's when the mega hype for batman returns was at its peak for sure yeah oh and they would have gone through just the year before the dick tracy hype it was like batman 1989 changed everything with movie marketing like every it became the event beforehand that you sell the batman t-shirts beforehand and and they're

like oh and dick tracy will be that too it wasn't but then batman returns also yeah huge huge event movie they are pre-selling everything everything's an ad and even you would get the the behind the scenes looks on news channels that were presented as news but were actually just a commercial for the movie is on channels that were friendly or owned by the movie studio yeah i yeah you're right this totally feels tied into like the batman marketing that they all went through as nerdy fans. I love hearing him on the commentary say, yeah, we used to do lots of stuff together as a family, and now we have real families.

We don't spend time with each other. That's why children are the enemy of podcasts, as you've said, Henry, and also all entertainment. It's true. They ruin, those kids ruin everything with their needs and attention. They don't appreciate movies the same way. this was assigned to swartz welder because he loved itchy and scratchy but apparently was a sam simon idea that you think of homer is always punishing bart or always being like mean

to bart and strangling him but the idea that like well actually when it comes time to really punish him he just is like whoa like he's the softy. And that's such a clever change on what you'd expect from the character. Yeah, I guess it's a big cheat in that it goes against everything we know about Homer. But it's done so well, you don't think it contradicts who he is as a character. And this is more of like make Homer a big kid thing, especially like the the ice cream man scene that's just like well homer is bart's little brother in this scene he's he's not his dad also a fun thing on the dvd is they have full storyboards uh though it's animatic style so you can't like pause and read

cut lines unfortunately but they have full storyboards for act one of this episode you can watch picture and picture and mainly i enjoyed it because i didn't see any like scenes that were cut or whatever the storyboards are fun but you can really see the difference between the storyboards and the layout work especially done on the rough draft side and the angles get more dynamic the drawings get more fun it gave me even more appreciation for rough draft on it and of course i hear about this a lot these days that we're just seeing our pal ian jones quarty tweet about it this was done when storyboards then led to layouts instead of storyboards are where you draw layouts that you got to do it all and sounds really way harder to be a storyboarder on a show now than it was back in 1992.

It's fun to go back and see how rough old storyboards used to be. Just like here are the basic shapes of the characters. Now they're forced to do those very detailed layout drawings. So people overseas will understand what they're trying to do because there is no formal layout stage happening before the overseas process. Nina, actually, I've seen in some of the storyboards, one of the directors, I think it was Mike B. Anderson, he admitted like, you know, I don't even draw the points on Bart's head in some storyboards. I'm like, look, I just draw, it's the little box that you know that's Bart. You don't, I don't got to draw every point.

As a professional artist, Nina, when, at what point did Bart's hair points come in when you're like laying out a page of Simpsons? Probably when I'm doing the final pencils because there's no point. It's like icing the cake. Yeah, like why waste time drawing all those? You know they're going to be there eventually in the final pencils. That's when Matt Groening puts on his jeweler's loop and counts every hair point. Better be nine.

It's nine on Bart and is it eight on Lisa or is it seven? It's eight. Okay. But how many Marge bumps are there? I don't know. I could count in my head right now. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

I'm really tired right now. There are a specific number of bumps, though. We only make Nina do these podcasts when she's suffering from sheer exhaustion. Yeah, sorry. This is right after Penny Arcade Expo West. Yeah, did you see us us no one calls it that we're trying to distance ourselves from the penny arcade brand actually i should have said packs

yeah we started saying penny arcade i was like wait what oh right that is packs two gamers on a couch one saying the f word a lot they're talking to the fruit fucker 9000 it's all the as a kid obsessively i remember sitting on my simpsons bedsheets and being like oh is it are they all nine and just counting all the points that's that's how i knew we all we all need sorry go ahead and if you did discover one of them had eight or ten points would that have disturbed you enough to not go to be able to go to sleep i would have thrown away the bedsheets and be like mom get the garfield ones out i can't sleep this way i know many stripes are on garfield's face i mean in his ears i think that is like four i i studied my bed sheets very closely as a kid smithers has a specific number

of hair bumps as well i don't know that one i need to learn that now oh man i'm gonna count those now i'm gonna pull that off the shelf actually i got i got the season four box set right here i bet smithers is on there somewhere but anyway we're gonna do a live point counting yeah we are delaying this until we get to minute 90 then the first clip can be played yes no uh but itchy and scratchy the movie it does begin with them with a bit that was just about out of date talking about them reacting to movies that were then brand new. Star Trek VI, Undiscovered Country, was released in 1991, the fall of 1991. You did it again, Henry.

You dropped the the out of a title. Why do I hate the word the so much? We need to question this. Do you hate specificity? Star Trek, some Undiscovered Country. I listened too much to Justin Tim timberlake's character in social network because he said drop the the from facebook and i i want to keep doing that from every movie or episode titles of simpsons lisa beauty queen but okay yes well i just call it star trek 6 but

yeah it came out in 91 in theaters i did see it in theaters uh because i did start getting into at least the star trek movies after seeing star trek 2 on tv i was like wow one's in theaters i didn't know i was getting on the end of the train as it was coming out then well this is the first time i've seen this parody since i've learned a lot about star trek mostly thanks to our friends that we hate movies their nexus series on their patreon is very funny very informative and since then nina and I have watched a few of the movies, and we're going to start going through more of them. But I've heard this is a very good one.

It's very uneven, that movie series, but I've heard this is a very good one. I watched it kind of recently, and I think it is my second favorite of all six of the old guy movies, of the TOS movies. I'd put two at number one, and I'd put this at number two.

Okay, here, I'll just do my whole rankings. Two, six, four, no, one, no, four, one, three, five. That's my rankings. Well, I've only seen two of them. And actually, we didn't even see the good ones yet. No, no. That first one was so boring. Yeah, sorry, guys.

I wanted to like it so much, but I was literally falling asleep. There's some cool effects, but the anus screensaver for 45 minutes didn't keep my attention for very long. But didn't you fall out of your seat from that V'ger twist, Bob? Oh, yeah. That was very stupid, actually. It's like, oh, there's more space dust on here. It really was the Simpsons thing. I want to see more of the original

series before watching more of the movies yeah yeah but i do want to do what i call scary math so i encourage everyone to listen to our episode of talking futurama this month on the patreon patreon.com slash talking simpsons andrew droopin from we hate movies is on it and on that podcast i did scary math and i determined that early futurama is now as old as classic Star Trek was then, basically. So it's terrifying. Yeah. So here is what I want to say now. I did the math on this.

This Simpsons episode is now older than classic Star Trek was in November of 1992. Ooh. Yeah. Classic Star Trek was only 26 years old in 1992. This episode is 31 years old. So more scary math. Kirk was a whopping 60 years old in the final TOS movie. And out of all the core cast members, they're all over 60, except for Yardley Smith and Hank Azaria. They are 59. They both turn 60 next year. So they're kind of cursing themselves with longevity. They they're like look at these old people playing the same roles ridiculous and they're all doing it now and of course as with the simpsons satire has been lapped by reality patrick stewart was just a new star trek series he started doing when he was 80 18 years old so it's so quaint to see them laughing at look at these people in their late 50s and early 60s

ridiculous yes yeah the latest picard season was so very tired but it was really really good that's what's so funny to me that like we were in the 90s they were so mean like this is a mean joke about famous people who are rich so it's like you know boohoo but like though the trek actors it took them a long time to actually get the money they deserve for the level of fame they got in my opinion but it's so mean to them especially james dewin they're like a fat ass like you're too fat to reach the controls fatty but yeah i can't that patrick stewart's 20 years older than everybody in star trek 6 is i think people are less mean now that I don't think there

would be a sketch on SNL now that would be isn't everybody on on from TNG incredibly old now I don't think that would just be the one joke about it at the very least I don't think you can make a joke though because they all look great they all do a lot of like action scenes yeah i actually i just saw as of this recording that william shatner is going to be at a con with whatever ds9 person left to go on becker whoever that is oh the one who played dax yes yes the picture with her as part of the promo he looks great and he's in his 90s and he's doing cons he's going into space actual space i mean i definitely think all the tng cast took better care of themselves than most of the tos cast did even like i think of leonard dimoy as a pretty

healthy guy who biked around a lot i know but he also smoked a whole lot yeah and then a lot of them drank and yeah by virtue of not being born in the 30s that the tng cast is much healthier but yeah it's you're right I but also it's probably because when I was a kid they were old so I think Leonard Nimoy will always in my mind be older than Jonathan Frakes even though Jonathan Frakes is I believe in his early 70s now too oh my god you mentioned Nimoy he's not in this parody that's right he's absent because he'll maybe it's because he'll be later in this season and they're like hey take out Nimoy from that we don't want to be specifically mean to him since he's in the monorail I have to guess there in

some first draft there was a mean joke about Leonard Nimoy and hey George Takei was on their show already so they're burning some bridges yeah and then I sent you the link to it Bob just because I had to confirm it for myself in my memory you see Jamesames duane watch this clip but it's not really that but few years after this there's a 30th anniversary special in 1996 celebrating the series and i believe nearly all of the original cast is in the audience and they keep like ben stiller is saying oh i love this and dilithium crystals and he like points at james duane and he's like yes dilithium crystals and all that and then he Doohan and he's like yes dilithium crystals and all that and then he says and you guys

have been parodied everywhere and they show a ton of clips including this one so I feel so bad that James Doohan had to be like in the room with all of his peers to see this joke played on screen saying that he's too fat to reach the controls I'm sure his reaction was

very much Abe Simpsons I'm a living joke this also star trek 12 so very tired which that would be into darkness which is a really shitty movie in my opinion i do not like star trek into darkness no i didn't like that one either and i haven't seen wrath of khan i would like to see that i know it's just a ripoff of that right yeah every good thing in it is the good part of of khan i don't know they like reverse some stuff some key scenes and that that was like what i was supposed to like make the fans happy well because jj thinks he outsmarted you too he's like oh you thought he thinks he's zigging when we think he's gonna zag but it's like i like, I know you're going to zig. Yeah, and into darkness, I won't spoil it. But everybody beforehand was saying, I know where this is going.

And he's like, no, you don't. We're not going there. And then in the middle of the movie, it's like, we went there, guys. It's like, yeah, we all knew that was coming. It's not a twist if you lie about something. Yeah. I'm being reductive here. But then with Star Wars, he just did a spiritual remake of another popular movie that was that was not well obviously not as good it's quite a scam

that he's got running there that he's can do a good looking ripoff of an actual movie simpsons guest star jj abrams yes yeah and we all watch the force awakens from its nap they literally go the bad robot offices in that even and talk about like oh yeah but they make it all about how homer thinks jj ruined his childhood by rebooting something else but like if you talk about meanness and holding back they are so cruel in this episode simpsons does not have that meanness these days when it comes to big names yeah i guess that's the difference between being an institution and not, I suppose. Let's hear the clip, Star Trek and Poison Pizza.

Captain's log, stardate 6051. Had trouble sleeping last night. My hiatal hernia is acting up. The ship is drafting and damp. I complain, but nobody listens. Star Trek 12, So very tired. See the original cast in their latest, greatest adventure.

Captain Klingons off the starboard bow. Again with the Klingons. Mr. Scott, give me full power. It's no good, Captain. I cannot reach the control panel. Movies! What a rip-off! I don't have to sit here and take this. Hubba hubba. Oh, you

kid. Thank you, dear. Now be good for Grandpa while we're at the parent-teacher meeting. We'll bring back dinner. What are we gonna have? Well, that depends on what your teachers say. If you've been good, pizza. If you've been bad, uh, let's see, poison. What if one of us has been good

and one of us has been bad? Poison pizza. Oh, no, I'm not making two stops. Do you think this is more of them writing Bart is gay with his hubba hubba? Oh, you kid. Just, it feels like Conan O'Brien's contribution here. Just like this out of date

slang coming out of bart's mouth making him eccentric not necessarily gay but just same as like when bart was doing the cockney uh character right yeah that i also like the great delivery by marge and she's like thank you dear like she's heard this many times now now these parent teacher conferences i saw them a lot on television and we did have them in my school but my parents were very protective of their free time which is why they never took us to do anything or on vacation but at the same time we could just do whatever we wanted to at home or in the neighborhood but i think their stance was i'm paying for you kids to go to this catholic school why do i have to show up and talk

to a teacher your report card is as much interfacing as i want to do with how you're doing in school so this was never a threat this was never on the table and they were always absent from anything to do with speaking to a teacher wait so it wasn't mandatory no it was not mandatory so it's never mandatory i don't know i think in some schools it was i don't recall it being mandatory in my public school uh education at any point i feel like my mom went once to an elementary school thing but yeah it also is as far as distributed tasks in my home at the time this was not going to be a shared thing between my parents my mom was going to go or nobody goes my dad was not going to be a shared thing between my parents my mom was going to go or

nobody goes my dad was not going to go he wasn't going to go with her and when you have two kids in school once my brother came to school three years behind me i think she wasn't going to go to two classes either and so i don't blame her for not going i remember school days where the teachers were like clean up the classroom your parents are coming tonight like that kind of thing and i remember thinking my mom's not coming she told me she's not i also wasn't like a bad kid i guess too it's like it feels like it's only for warnings or i suppose praise too but yeah yeah we did parent teacher night all the time and i was totally fine with it because i was a really good student so i had nothing to be scared of and i always was delighted by meeting the parents of my friends oh really yeah it was

just kind of interesting to see like like who their parents are and what they're like the times i can think my mom did go i didn't go with her to it either yeah it was like the parents go and no no kids there yeah that's how it was for us wow so it was the whole the parents and the kids go to school wow that's great if you're like me you get to hear your teacher praise you in front of your parents oh wow you're like the defendant at that point so you're so your parents had the homer experience from this uh night pretty much because i was like a lisa and well they do have to break the game a bit here with lisa's character where miss hoover uh she has to actually know lisa's grade and care instead of ignoring her and being sick of her.

For the point of the story, she needs to actually like Lisa as a student for once. I think of Homer as a real jerk in this drive because first he says he tries to trick Marge outright. Then he sets up a game she shouldn't be able to win. And then when he even loses that, he had a thing, he had a 100 chance of losing. And then when he loses that, then he just pleads and begs and whines. And it's just like, God. And then celebrates when he gets his own way. Yeah.

Oh, I love the line read of like, I'm going, don't, I mean, no. Yes. He's not a good husband. It's an okay father, but then later we'll get to it. But he basically repeats what marge said to him earlier as if he came up with the thought about bart's future oh yes yeah yeah the simpsons will be right back the simpsons is brought to you by Mercury and the new Mercury Villager minivan.

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the discs until season five really so i assume that there had to be something more i made a note of that like what there's just a shot of skinner and willie and willie just goes ah that has always confused me yeah as a kid and even now as an adult and i'll just tell you on the dvd there's not an extra joke to explain it it's there in storyboards but they're not giving you the pure storyboards it's the animatic so if there was another line and unfortunately i have now found from archive.org scripts for a third of this season but not this episode unfortunately so this is a question that will remain unanswered for now, unfortunately. Let's share the blame.

That's a funny side gag. They head in. Now, I have looked at children's desks whenever I occasionally see them. And I'm like, how was I ever this small? How did anybody ever fit in these things? They look so tiny. And Homer, I mean, talk about great animation. It's so cartoony and i love it homer sucked in the gut zips into the chair and then

just expands slowly the creaks and cracks god it's it looks painful yeah when all his fat just comes down it's like popeye when like the spinach goes through his body you know yes yeah i don't know if graining love that but the level of cartooniness but i did and right behind homer is the mysterious mother of janie who i know the real jims in his janie history was like look there's janie's mom what's her deal it also very distractingly looks like adult ralph wiggum in this classroom but i mean they knew he was ralph wiggum but maybe he had some father in the character design list or something before it was nailed down i don't know but this guy is very distracting and his hair is not connected just like the lines aren't connected it's very weird it's an important question of who knew when he was ralph wiggum because i definitely think that was drawn by somebody who did draw ralph's dad looks like ralph but then other people

did know i think because like we saw it in camp Krusty Lisa says Wiggum and throws it to an off-model Ralph but it is Ralph's voice coming out of it and so at the very least in that episode that Kirkland's team this is a different team and things can get lost especially when it's not been made officially official I mean to this episode is full of other little mistakes mainly Marge's pearls and I think it's because act one she's in white pearls the entire time so in act two there's a few scenes where they didn't do a retake where Marge has white pearls and I just blame on that that she's for a third of the episode she's in a white pearl model so it's an easy mistake for animators to make to mix those two up for the scenes marge is taken to

a very prison-like one-on-one it's not a class thing for her it's like robopple sent home every other student's parent and it's like nope i just want the time alone with marge to let her know what's wrong they're having fun with bart sometimes bart is uh potentially gay often he's potentially a serial killer yes with troubling signs of things to come this is portrait of a serial killer stuff he brings in prison-like objects he is a science genius to sensitize laxative and then is the birth control joke that edna got an unwanted pregnancy and had to get an abortion with the rage in her voice and her expression uh on tic tacs i feel like edna had to have a procedure because of this is a very dark joke yes yeah or there was like a concern like oh my period is not on schedule why is this

happening and yeah there was some stress there but i mean then bart i guess we have to guess where these fireworks are going mike reese does not like this joke right or mike reese arthur is just drawn so cute and nice and he's just like this poor boy whose life has been ruined by bart and i mean i'm glad they cut away but he put it up his butt like that's what the joke is reese was also against how they made a parody of an actual rape trial earlier in the in the series it's when bart has the blue dot over his face in courts uh in the in a fantasy sequence here when bart has the blue dot over his face in courts uh in the in a fantasy sequence here i mean i'm not trying to be cute or funny this is just a parody of a child sexual abuse trial where it's like show us on the doll and we saw this all throughout the

90s i think the last reference i saw to this was in clerks when randall is like who touched you yes yeah the who yeah on the clerks animated, no, the show us on the doll. Like, yeah, we, yeah, it was a different time. It was the 90s. And, hey, on the commentary, one of the showrunners was like, I don't like this. And it was 20 years ago he was saying this. It's funny because Mike Reese, I always think of him as the edgier of the guys of him and Gene. But, yeah, occasionally on commentaries he's like the good taste guy or like guys maybe we went too far but also talk about jokes that went over my head i would not be aware of happy days until two years

later when the wonderful man of weezer brought it to my attention oh my gosh that was the rerun i always tolerated during my summer reruns i'm like i don't really like this but it's between gilligan's island and beverly hillbillies so happy days it is and uh i've said this before but it was always very confusing so wait this is an old show but it's about something older i don't quite get this as a kid i even after the buddy holly music video with all the happy day stuff in it it still took me a while to realize it was not a show from the 50s but from the 70s it wasn't even that year i realized it i. I mean, again, I didn't know Henry. And it's just so great.

Homer. Homer is reading to her a rerun of Happy Days. That is the most nondescript rerun of Happy Days either. Henry Winkler, the Fonz. I love his little way he looks at Lisa when he says, the Fonz. Yeah, it's great. I mean, as time is passing, it is interesting to see Lisa as a baby in 1984. And then very soon we're going to see a interesting to see Lisa as a baby in 1984.

And then very soon we're going to see a lot more of her as a baby in 1984. Yeah, they know it. Let's just say that TV Guide is giving a description for a rerun of Happy Days at Homer's Reading. He didn't say it's a new episode. But to be clear, Lisa was born during the Olympics of 1984, meaning the summer. And Happy Days was essentially over by the summer of 1984. So it's not exactly wrong, but it edges close to it, and I wouldn't be a pedant with a podcast if I didn't say that exact timing of it. I might have talked about this before,

but I did really enjoy reading our version of the TV Guide when I was little. Did it have a slightly tepid Canadian title, like TV Manual when I was little. Was it, did it have a fun Canadian, or sorry, like a slightly tepid Canadian title, like TV Manual? It was called TV Times. TV Times, yes, I love it. It came with the Vancouver Sun every week, and I would be like, oh boy, what's on TV this week? And I loved reading the summaries.

No, you know, my... I'm glad the internet came along into my life. Yeah, no, I loved reading the TV listings. Well, you know my my parents didn't buy tv guide for the longest time so mainly i would read the free listings that came in the newspaper that's how i would read the it but eventually i would i think by 95 or 96 probably because the simpsons or spider-man was on the cover of it i became a tv guide reader and yeah it was that's how you had to know

the names of episodes of TV shows. Or if a new one was that week, you'd have to read it on there. I remember, I mean, someone should have intervened, but I love television so much that in the early 90s, I thought, I need to get better at watching television. I need to be more efficient.

I need to know when things are on. I could be missing good shows. That's when I started buying TV Guide kind of regularly because it was only a dollar. I remember when I was excited about the next episode of stressed eric that was supposed to air it was in the schedule but it never did because it had already been taken off the air oh yeah when tv guide lies to you yeah i hated those moments wait a minute and take shows away one very young bob mackie thing i did was for my tapes i would cut the description out of tv guide the very tiny description and tape it onto the tape with scotch tape that's smart

instead of writing my own with pen or anything it looks so neat yeah that's a good move that's smart man i didn't do that the closest i had to that was six months period i cut every garfield out of the newspaper and put it in a scrapbook to collect it because I was like, oh, I'm up to date with Garfield comics. I have to cut it out of the newspaper. Precious memories. I would love to see. I think I also colored in the black and white ones to be like, this Garfield needs color.

And I colored it myself. My dad did read to me at a young age, but it was mostly manga, to be honest. Oh, really? Yeah, a lot of Doraemon. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right i remember that's your childhood comics was doraymon i think it was good for me learning japanese as well when he did that no that's good i should start reading doraymon to learn to keep

my skills up they actually sell bilingual versions of doraymon that have the japanese and the english i've seen yeah like the localization is not the best because it's mostly for people in japan trying to learn english oh i see the transition can be a little dry that'd be good if you're learning how to read japanese that's cool yeah i think my parents read to me is my my mom read to me when i was a kid your dad probably wouldn't read you the tv guide or uh gambling something related to gambling uh you know if i asked him to explain the horse track odds to me, he'd do that. Sure. He'd just read the racing form to you.

Yes. Exactly. But otherwise, no. I mean, yeah, I would. There was there's definitely time like we go to the library. Let's pick out a book and we'll read it to you before bed. I have a lot of happy memories with that. I feel connection to the young millennials who love Arthur because I did read Arthur books as a kid

he was a book like years before he got the tv show so I feel a legitimate I was not a 14 year old watching Arthur cartoons I was reading the Arthur books at the correct age I don't recall being read to because I was reading at like incredibly young age so I really was the kid that raised himself that's impressive Bob yeah well speaking of latchkey children bart lisa and maggie are left alone this is real shorts territory here grandpa like seriously this feels like they watch the one of grandpa falling asleep and the kids get into trouble what is the quote neil let's play space patrol yes i finally got it right yeah but in this place bart saying like now's our chance to be bad and i'm glad they

thought of a creative prank that bart's like i want to have his giant teeth and bite things with it do every crazy thing i can with teeth he doesn't want to just like get into the liquor cabinet or you know destroy the house or whatever it's just let's mess with his teeth i'm not saying this is plagiarism it's just you know lateral thinking but this is how every rugrat started with an old man falling asleep and the baby's cutting loose this is right after they fired the rugrats people and wonder funny hearing rich more talk about how they're like how am i gonna do this the vision of bart spinning around the room from the ceiling fan like it is a crazy shot him and his team did a great job though it's so rough draft of this era rough draft meaning the studio not like it is a crazy shot him and his team did a great job though it's so

rough draft of this era rough draft meaning the studio not that it's a rough uh animation or anything like that when we say rough draft that's a compliment it's like when you say bad we mean good yeah the pov from the inside of the ceiling fan pointing out towards bart as the room is spinning behind him boy i don't think they'd be that ambitious a few years later oh no way walls i feel like rough draft isn't in a position to say no because they want to prove they can do whatever Simpsons throws at them because this is such an opportunity for them. So maybe later when they're like, you know, we're pretty established,

we can say this is too hard. This is what you'd ask to do in a movie, and we can't do this. I also noticed with this episode, I mean, we've heard that John Schwarzwalder does not like writing for the female characters, often forgets Marge's name. Lisa in this one is just an accessory. I like how she is participating in the Bart badness, but she receives none of the fallout. And then she's not really herself in this episode. I feel like John Swartzwelder does not have a handle on her very much.

I think it's cute seeing Bart making Lisa laugh, though. I do like it. He's not trying to bite her or anything. He's just putting on a funny face and she giggles at it he's treating her like his audience for the prank instead of i'm gonna get my sister like yeah yeah i'm just saying we should punish lisa too she put the record on she encouraged all of this she is getting away with all all because she you know got such great reviews. And also another great drawing. I love when Homer leaves and the chair is trapped around him. And it's framed so perfectly to the reveal.

And also talk more about Lisa's first words. Homer's love of Where's the Beef? Here's our first knowledge of it. And soon we'll know that it even made him vote for Mondale, his love of Where's the Beef. I'm happy that I've known about this now for a long time, Where's the Beef, because as a kid it baffled me. Oh, it totally baffled me too. Now I've seen all the Clara Peller commercials, I can stand. And we talked about this before, Edna.

She was at one of the WrestleManias, the old woman. WrestleMania 2, yes, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I wonder now if can an ad hit that kind of level of knowledge now? Do people know enough? Like even can a super bowl ad a really big super bowl ad be as famous as where's the beef these days when i think of like ads that really went big or that people talk about they're usually like infamous ones like the one where one of the kardashians offered up a pepsi to a cop remember that one yeah they're usually the ones

that make people furious or i'm ad free on everything so i don't see these anymore but when i wasn't hulu would show you the same ad every five minutes and it would just be infuriating for like progressive let's say well i guess progressive those are kind of viral sure the geico gecko yeah yeah but he's like 20 years old yeah right yeah but he's voiced by wesker isn't he some british guy yeah or some guy doing a british voice there's been a lot of weskers though so that's true i guess i'm thinking of like it's either wesker one or two is also the original geico gecko but you know now i when i think of ads now i either think of dick pills that they can sell on tv for for old men uh which are advertised to me on pro wrestling Or it's the Flo and her family of insurance sellers as well.

They've grown to a whole community now. There's an extended universe of the insurance salespeople that Flo is merely the matron of. They then cut back to Marge. She's being forced to ride on the chalkboard. And this is when they're given a few visions of Bart's future. Busted! Homer, we have a problem here.

Are you kidding? Lisa turned out perfect. I won't stand here and listen to you bad-mouthing Lisa. We're talking about Bart. Oh, that guy. I think the problem here is discipline. If Bart does something wrong, you should punish him. Well, we try. But he has his way of making us think we've punished him

when actually we've completely caved in. He's the boy you love to hate. Well, you've got to start being firm with him. I believe with persistent discipline, even the poorest student can end up becoming, oh, say, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. What great men he would join.

John Marshall. Charles Evans Hughes. Warren Burger. Mmm. Burger. Mmm. Man, I want a burger. This is at the time when they're making Homer dumb.

And this has an all-time stupid Homer line in it. This is also when they've decided they want Homer to be selectively smart on a specific subject. And that it's the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court or Supreme Court in general is their choice. And Supreme Court's hotter than ever these days, right? They're making everybody happy with their insane decisions that are very unpopular countrywide. They're not your problem anymore, Bob. No, no, no. What's the highest

court in canada now i should know this do we know this okay the chief magistrate of canada i'll have to look this up well hey my taxes still pay for all the horrible things they're proving up so don't worry about that in america by the way if you'd like to know which guys homer's referring to here well here's a quick one john marshall was the fourth chief justice longest serving chief justice he oversaw major court cases including marbury versus madison which established the very concept of judicial review which is how the supreme court controls everything right now thanks to that and also though i should mention he had a lot of slaves of course because it was back then.

Charles Evan Hughes, he was appointed by Hoover to replace Taft. He was in opposition to a lot of the New Deal that FDR had, and he forced kids to say the Pledge of Allegiance. He's one of the guys who upheld that. And finally, Warren Burger, a lifelong Republican appointed by Nixon, had a couple surprise liberal rulings, but very against women as judges and very homophobic. He helped uphold the sodomy laws in America that were not struck down until we were adults. So 2003, I think. Yes. Yeah. Crazy. And I've got more on later Warren as well. And this is when we get the fantasy of Bang Bang Bart. You know, sometimes if

you think of the fantasy by itself, you think it's one of the bart fantasies where he goes like it's marge having a bart sad future fantasy i mean so much of this episode looks great this sequence looks so good there's so many cool camera angles they have to create an entire audience of like bachelorette party style women i mean i just love the bluntness of you're fat just nothing clever about it just an insult shouted at a guy trying to do his job i just i love the sounds nancy makes when he's on the ground like just a man in pain concussed yeah i guess it is nancy cartwright yelling at herself yes yeah it's he's's so funny. I love the little, like, butt crack on him, too, like, in his Bang Bang Bart design. Like, he's great.

And then Marge's reaction to that vision is like, my special little guy. It's cute. I think Marge's concern is kind of outdated, though, because, you know, Magic Mike, it taught us all that it's the ultimate expression of male camaraderie. Exactly. You're right. For being best bros. It throws away toxic masculinity and it supports women too and lets them feel beautiful. Exactly.

Yeah. That's the lesson I learned from Magic Mike XXL. I haven't watched that new Magic Mike though. Me neither. I heard okay stuff about it. I really liked that second one. The first one I liked all right, but I kind of liked the magical world of, well not magical, I mean I think it's based on reality, but just the world of all the different clubs they went to and the events and stuff. That was fun.

Yeah, the first one did kind of go in a predictable direction and the second one, it's just fun. It's just pure joy and stripping and hey. Yeah, it's a real bro down. It really is yeah do you feel old watching those movies though because all i could keep thinking of when they keep like grabbing the women and flipping them around like i'm just like someone could get hurt this looks really dangerous you're gonna pull a muscle they're not the guys they're gonna hurt the women oh yeah no when they flip the ladies upside down into well in pro wrestling would be called tombstone position but when it's

like basically a standing 69 that i'm like if you've slipped you're gonna break your neck i do worry actually in those because it doesn't look fun is what i'm saying i don't want to go too deep into the bang bang bart scene but i'm just looking at all the franquiac stuff there's so much thought put into like what is this room what are the dimensions so many cool angles when bart is passed out we pull up from his concussed body past the disco ball that was established at the beginning of the scene it's like all those little touches are so amazing and great it could have been much simpler but this is rough draft

trying to say we got the simpsons let's really kick ass on this show it'll be our calling card with ren and stimpy it is these little details that you know you only notice when they're not there and you see boring setups or people are more pressed for time or the deadlines are tougher or who knows. But then it cuts back to Bart doing his final bit of taking bites out of records. Mike Reese says that this was like a fad from decades before that like college kids would do. It's like, you know, up there with like phone booth stuffing and goldfish swallowing but that when i tried to google it the only things i found about like biting vinyl records was warnings about how to prevent your dogs from biting albums because if a pet bites it that's it's bad news

for your puppy yeah i guess they weren't eating the records but they were just chomping them to pieces but i always remember just what the teeth look like in this scene, because it really lets you know the Simpsons teeth. They're all just round marbles. Basically. It feels like the Foley is marbles too. They're like pearls. Yeah.

Oh God. Do I love big toothy rounded mean? I don't know what the official rules are on drawing Simpsons teeth all the time, but I prefer it when Simpsons, there's not a line between the teeth and it's basically like one white thing with pearled almost like marge's hair almost but white yeah i think they kind of stopped doing that after a while i i miss it i did notice it in this episode i thought to

myself oh they don't draw them like this anymore i mean i think in hd especially it's probably easier to have the definition of lines denoting the separated teeth, but I prefer the big, I like the cartoonier look of the teeth all being like rounded together, kind of. I prefer that, especially, I mean, some of my favorite drawings are when Homer, oh my God, in Deep Space Homer, his smile when he's like spinning in place, the rounded teeth on that are some my favorite simpsons teeth ever drawn and these teeth are up here too and you talk about detail when those

teeth shatter against the wall it's a pile of teeth and they draw like every tooth in place and when bart tapes it all together you really get a feel like this just jumble of teeth shoved in grandpa's mouth this is now grandpa's not making sense if you don't start making more sense we're gonna have to put you in a home you already put me in a home and we'll put you in the crooked homies on 60 minutes i'll be good look what your bad egg of a son did to my teeth! Dad, you and your stories. Bart broke my teeth. The nurses are stealing my money. This thing on my neck is getting bigger.

Now, this is exactly what Bart's teacher was talking about. Our son did something wrong, and you look the other way. But, Marge, look at that hang dog expression. He's learned his lesson. Let's get him a present. Please, Homer, why do I always have to be the bad guy? All right, all right. Young man, since you broke Grandpa's teeth, he gets

to break yours. Oh, this is gonna be sweet. No, no, no. Oh. Bart, we're sending you to bed without your supper. Yeah, right. Like you're gonna let me go hungry. I'll be eating that pizza in five minutes stop being confident doggone it oh grandpa the way it stuck to his forehead i love that too

stop being confident is a great one yes yeah it feels like james l brooksie to me oh yeah yeah you're right man also the scene on 60 minutes that is another running one on simpsons they really love like as seen on 60 minutes i think david merkin says that's what he'd do if someone got a new car he'd be like oh i saw that on 60 minutes and then say nothing else i don't know that's i think it's still going on it's a news magazine that didn't get investigative pieces i thought it ended oh did it end i feel like, obviously 2016 is forever. I feel like it was like, oh, 60 Minutes got a Trump interview kind of deal. Obviously, I don't watch regular TV news anymore.

No, I think it's currently in like season 56. Okay. Oh, I think I was thinking of 2020. Yeah. Ah, now that I was watching a ton as a kid. I loved watching both. 2020, at least in the States, was on right after TGIF. So if you watch TGIF all night,

then you watch 2020 afterwards and got to hear about, you know... Satanic Panic? Satanic Panic. Or John Stossel telling you about how homeless people steal. You know, all the hits of 2020. Yeah, 2020, 60 Minutes,

and A Current Affair. Oh, yeah. You know, I think we were more of a hard copy house than A Current Affair. Hey, there's room for both. The excitement on Grandpa's face, too, when he thinks he's going to break his teeth. Also, talk about another great animation. This is just going to be saying all episode.

But when Bart says, the Bible, ew, like he has a little shudder as he steps away from it. So good. Such a great little move. Yeah, Bart, though, is denied it he almost tricks homer multiple times also great animation of homer running up basically like three flights of stairs to get up to part i'm a coming boy uh you know this reminded me of my own life i mean i was not a bart kid but i was much like a young nina matsumoto very well behaved and you know was trusted to not get in trouble but i was the style of bart a little

too confident sometimes and i would just push it a little bit it maybe happened two or three times but when i was actually punished i was like well this is odd so i just can't leave my room uh okay it rarely happens so i identify with bart here like he's just like well we this is very strange this scenario i mean i think they still fed me. I was rarely disciplined, but I don't think I was the bad kid. In my high school years, I befriended friends who wanted to push me to do bad things, and I sometimes listened, and I regret all of that now. But at Bart's age, I was mostly just too sedentary, and I guess the only times I would be punished is if I was told to stop watching television

or playing a video game or go outside. And I would not like that. I don't recall too many punishments. You were the millhouse hanging out with the Barts. Yeah, that's a good. Yes. Yeah. Oh, it always sounds like when you talk about the hooligans you hung out with.

Yeah. No. Al Jean talks about how he was the millhouse in the Bart friendships. I did feel that way that captures it very well yeah i think there was one like go to your room punishment and one like you can't go to this thing you want to go to punishment but then when i went to my room i'm like well i have a nintendo super nintendo and they're not going to come up here and unhook it and i have tv with cables it's like a resort in here yeah if you want to ground kids now i guess

you got to take away their phone it's the only way like you couldn't tell them well you can't watch this movie it's like well i can't on my phone you couldn't even like tell them like no pornography no video games no none of this stuff it's like no they have it i guess you can restrict their money so they can't like buy themselves a pizza or whatever if they don't have money you can control that but yeah i guess you just got to take their phone away or turn it off. It's true. Homer in this episode really frustrates me because I don't have kids, obviously. And I know pets are different from kids.

But in a previous relationship, we raised a Shiba Inu puppy. And I always had to be the strict parent when it came to training her. And especially with an intelligent dog like Shiba Inu, it's very important to train them from a very young age otherwise they'll just walk all over you and it frustrated me so much when my then boyfriend would show lenience towards her because then once you let a dog break a boundary that you set down like that's it you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube like for example she wasn't allowed in her walk-in closet because we didn't want her in there and

she knew that so she wouldn't even try to get in didn't want her in there. And she knew that. So she wouldn't even try to get in. But he let her in once. And I was like, hey. And he went, oh, come on, just this once. And guess what? After that, she thought it was okay to go in there forever because, you know, dogs don't understand, oh, just this once. And like I said, they're different from kids.

Children still need some amount of, like, boundaries and rules when they're younger. Like, when they're younger like when they're older they can understand sometimes you can break some rules there are special exceptions but if you don't set those down they are going to become like bart they're going to like no longer take you seriously when you say no you can't do that because kids learn and they're like well no you broke it the other times yeah exactly this man well now we both live with my parrot and we're both cruel taskmasters. We're both the bad cop. It's true.

You know, cats are hard to train. And we also just were like, we didn't have dogs after I was like six. And cats, though my mom was the, she was the bad cop. My dad was more just the disinterested cop. Like he didn't try to train our cats. He invented a new kind of cop in the dynamics. Bad cop, good cop, disinterested cop. He's the guy that lets the other cops in the room yes i guess he's in here go yeah well it frustrated me when i go to like other people's places and i'd see how their families or my friends would treat their pets because they would be like okay the dog or

cat is not allowed to get you know table scraps but then they'd be like oh just this once and they'll like feed them their food human food which you're not supposed to give to to your pets and then for that like the dog or cat would like keep begging more and then they get mad at the pet it's like oh no get away from here you can't have any more and i would think in my head like but you gave them the food like they don't understand like no we can't have it anymore like just don't do that to begin with i boy now i feel my mom is the type to go to somebody's house and see the dog and feed them under the table oh my god yeah so if you're at someone else's place and you break the rules for their pet that's also infuriating i'm sorry to say this yeah i can't do that i don't think i've done that but

also if i would be at a place with my mom i'd be like i know she's been feeding this dog off the table the whole time so okay i'm gonna try you played right into their paws henry yeah i did get tricked by a dog as marge wrote down on notes once in the itchy and scratchy previous episode great talking about dogs and food santa's little helper turned into a pizza box head is a really funny drawing i love his like his tongue his pizza tongue yeah amazing yeah we need to make new lines of figures based on just weird transformations so we can have bang bang bart and pizza box head slh in the same pack right yeah oh it should be the same episode pack yeah though maybe it did

get made who knows i would want a rat boy who could forget dear rat boy i don't think they made rat boy no they haven't and they have made things based on treehouse of horror episodes like the lisa snail there's a funko pop of that i wish it wasn't a funko pop and the bart raven those are cool but they should do more of like non-treehouse stuff there's an evil crusty doll i mentioned the last episode we did it which we haven't recorded yet but yeah i saw that there's an evil crusty doll that says those things and though i guess that's what super seven is do it like they did deep space homer they did the itchy and scratchy land robots maybe someday though i feel like dear rat boy is gonna be low on the list i want a little piece of drywall for him to chew on

bart seems to learn his lesson so i guess i'm curious what do you guys think happens here because i'll tell you my theory i think bart knows homer's on the other side of the door and he's waiting for bart to sound like he learned his lesson so he says i better straighten up and fly right then homer comes in and thinks like okay he did learn his lesson, gives him the pizza and walks out. And that's why Bart says suckers because he's like, ah, I tricked him.

That's my read on it. But what do you guys read from that scene? I view it as the tragedy of this was the one time Bart was going to learn his lesson and actually get on the right path and Homer completely derailed it. Yep, I agree with that. Absolutely.

He didn't know. I don't think Homer was listening or anything. think bart was seriously like regretting what he did yeah and he realized like oh i guess i am being punished and there could be more punishments to come i will change my behavior and that's when homer derails his future completely okay so bart suckers is just their way of saying bart didn't learn a lesson i think the suckers is the follow-up to i promise okay all right not to uh suckers referring to i better straighten up and fly right or whatever okay i always read his saying it suckers like my thought was bart it was all a trick by bart it was all because he does play mind games this whole episode so that's also what

made me think it was just one of his mind games no if that was intent he'd be standing right by the door loudly going while smiling boy i'd better straighten up and fly right yeah okay he was seriously regretting his actions there and previously in the scene he was doing things with the intent to be heard actually i love his very little melodramatic table setting where he says like I'm hungry and he's got like oh yeah somehow he has a little table in his bedroom that's true yeah okay yeah it strikes me as a much darker Simpsons joke that Homer destroyed any future Bart could have had I mean then he actually punishes him again and it takes but it shows you like this is effective Bart needs this and I guess it does fit with the tradition of a parody of a bad sitcom happy ending. Like this seems like the sitcom happy ending and then it ends with Bart going like suckers.

Like no, I didn't change. But the scene really ends with Grandpa getting a gun shoved in his face and Jasper's going to give him a bad night. I always forget that's how the act ends. Well, if it isn't the tooth fairy. And no sign of itchy and scratchy in act one at all, which, and this is a long act one. It's like almost half the episode. I forget how, despite how much I love this,

there's very little itchy and scratchy content to be found. Well, and then really the content of non-itchy and scratchy things in the next two acts really is one act of stuff. Like there's so many itchy and scratchy clips in the next two acts really is one act of stuff like there's so many itchy and scratchy clips in this episode that it really makes for one act of actual story this is a lot of filler amazing filler but lots of filler there's no b plot so it all feels like it's relevant to the story they're trying to tell and so yes it's the start Act Two, and it's time for a commercial. You'll find it in the itchy and scratchy movie.

Coming soon to a theater near you. 53% new footage. Wow. Bart, did you take out the garbage like I asked? Indeed I did. Stop! Hey, you goats, get out of here! Boy, you're going to have to be punished for this.

Dad, you could punish me, but that means you have to think of a punishment, sit here, and make sure I do it. Aw. Or you could let me go play with Milhouse while you spend the afternoon watching unpredictable Mexican sitcoms. Ay, el estomago.

Run along, you little scamp. So that's a big moment there. It's a first appearance, as they'd say in the comic book world, of Bumblebee Man. Yes, I did a little more research on this guy because I didn't know a lot about him. And we didn't do as much research originally because we were doing this on top of full-time jobs. So, yes, a reference to, forgive if I maul the pronunciation, but El Chapulan Colorado, a.k.a. the Red Grasshopper, who is a Mexican superhero parody show that ran from 73 to 79. That's the one thing I didn't really know about this is that it is a parody of superheroes, the show that this character is featured on. And he is actually a parody of Superman played by Roberto Gomez Balenos. And he went by the comedy nickname Chesperito,

meaning little Shakespeare, and he passed away in 2014 at age 85. So you can watch clips of this online. You can watch the opening of it, but it's a reference to seeing inexplicable things when you turn on foreign language TV channels. It's kind of like the slightly patronizing Wacky Japan stuff we would see 10 years later in which the people making this know it's insane. They're trying to be absurdist. But when you watch it, you're like, what are they thinking? It's a joke about a joke show like and quite literally lost in translation like you said is that it's not just that it's a guy in a bug costume which that's bumblebee man is just like well he's a bumblebee man like you said they lost the superhero aspect of it it's just a silly

character who has also bart implies that there's like wow the unpredictable and then they show a very very broad joke about a guy eating too much ice cream to be fair what i've seen in mexican comedy from that era is extremely broad but it's just very very silly i would have telemundo on every once in a while just see like what what are shows like there this is also like yeah writers living in los angeles there's a lot of spanish language television in in Los Angeles even back then. Now, you know, in American ratings, lots of times the Spanish language stations are among some of the top rated television shows. Like that's how big Spanish language programming is in the United States now. So this also is now kind of a slightly dated joke of like, who's this for this stuff

where people speak spanish on american television like this is crazy because of disney's new policy he is not voiced by hank azaria anymore he is voiced by a mexican-american actor named eric lopez so there you have it yeah and he's been in like six episodes voicing bumblebee man man hank azaria is losing so many roles yes yeah isn't it great that so many diverse actors are getting big Simpsons roles now it's funny because it wasn't white enough to get breaks Hank Azaria so like you can play every foreign character and they're like oh we can't do that anymore so too much of a boy for crazy town too crazy for boys town the Hank Azaria story they look down

on this as Lisa would say Sephardic good looks it's also funny too because the other character Chapalan Colorado that one of my favorite Mexican wrestlers Bandito he came out in a tribute costume to it in a wrestling event recently because he grew up loving that show and so he's a high-flying costumed character himself and so he's dressed in it but American fans like what it just looks like a shitty costume when he puts on a parody costume i was tweeting out like guys you don't get it this is a reference to the character they parody is bumblebee man so look it up if you want to see a professional wrestler a very good professional wrestler dressed up as that character and that 53 new footage thing confused me as a kid until i learned more about animated movies that came before the Disney Renaissance because right now we are right after Beauty and the Beast Little Mermaid has happened

yeah theatrical animation is in a renaissance you know but before that we had package films which I want to say John Schwarzwalder is probably referencing all of the Looney Tunes package films from the 70s like Bugs Bunny Superstar and the Bugs Bunny Roadrunner movie the Looney Looney Looney Bugs Bunny movie there's so many of these Quack Buster hey that was direct-to-video I'm pretty sure that's yeah yeah and I like Quack Busters because the original content in that was actually good but all of those I was like hey doc I'm Bugs Bunny I've had a lot of fun over the years this is the last new animation you'll see goodbye folks And then it's just a string of cartoons. Let me tell you about my fathers, but not Bob Clampett.

I loved the Bugs Bunny Roadrunner movie as a kid. I rented it a million times. I rented them and they pissed me off because I just thought, I see these cartoons on TV every day. This is a movie. It's supposed to be a movie. I'm sorry. I liked it because it's a random element.

You don't know what you're getting on random looney tunes packaged episode on nickelodeon but on this i knew it was going to be all chuck and yes in between scenes of rabbit season duck season rabbit seasoning that's the name of the short in between scenes from that then you'd have to watch a bunch of 80s chuck jones animation that's very poor. Yeah. But it was so good. But I also love the number 53% because it seems like that is like legally you can't release it if it's under 50%. It's just over 50% new footage.

And I mean, this doesn't happen in America anymore. And I think it still kind of happens in Japan because if you'll see like, oh, my favorite anime has a movie. But it turns out to be, be oh this is a compilation movie it's basically retelling the the entire series in a two-hour movie and they maybe touch up new footage they were doing it a long time ago Evangelion has one of those Gurren Lagann has one of those it feels like that kind of moviegoing experience is still happening in Japan just wanting to see the story again but with an audience on a big screen I think one of the biggest reasons for that with anime films and it happened before but Mobile Suit Gundam the original the TV show did all right but not that big but when the

movie versions came out those were huge they did all of that they just took the TV animation and spiffed it up a little and cut it down to three films. But those were so big that then it just became a tradition for it was an expected thing to do, movie theater. And recently, we'll stop talking about anime, don't worry. Recently, Demon Slayer kind of did the opposite thing where instead of releasing a compilation movie, they were like, what if we just put six episodes in theaters and called it a movie? And it turns out nothing will ever top it in Japanese box office history. No Ghibli movie will ever do higher than the Demon Slayer movie from 2021 that really took advantage of COVID and a delay production from the last season. People just wanted to see more of that anime series. So they all went to something that was called a movie, but really wasn't.

It does not deserve that number one spot it doesn't i enjoyed it but it then it was just cut up an episode it's not a movie no so sort of like the futurama movies where it's like you're gonna sell the dvd and then we're gonna air these as episodes on tv later that's kind of bullshit yeah i didn't know that that it then got rebroadcast on tv i knew it was well because i'm used to as an anime viewer of a lot of adaptations that movies are they go to movie island and they meet a character who only exists in the movie and they're like my friend i've known you forever and then they at the end of the movie they go like well i'm leaving this island see you later character i'll never

mention again and then they go somewhere else but and i was interested because it sounded like with demon slayer it was the opposite it was like they took big a big storylines from the uh that they were going to adapt anyway to the show and made it into movie level animation but to know that then they just make them regular tv episodes like is a fine line between tv in the theater or an actual movie and it was fine but i did feel kind of scammed yeah and i will say that demon slayer this is a ad for demon slayer it's really good by the way the tv animation is basically movie level animation for anyone but studio ghibli it's like it's a very well animated show so the movie the animation didn't feel that much different i don't know if it was better

quality than the tv series it didn't feel like it was but the tv series is so good looking i was also thinking of what was like the biggest one of these scams in in at the time and i think it was the heathcliff movie because i believe that has less than 10 new animation it's just heathcliff and at least it looks all right because it's tms heathcliff cartoons but still it's like heathcliff's hanging out with his nephews. He's like, oh yeah, kids, I had a lot of fun. And then it just, they then cut to episodes of the show. And then when it's over, he's like, it's also a rainy day. So it's even just depressing. Like, oh, so it's a rainy day and you're telling us about other episodes.

And the ending is just like, what do you think, kids? And the kids throw him out of the house into the rain. And he's like, that's my kids. And I was like, that's it? That's the ending of your movie? In the context of this narrative, the kids hated what they just saw. Yeah. So this movie stinks.

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Also, I was interested in the joke of the coming for Christmas thing, too. Like that was the only release window for animated movies that were major back then, which means Disney in almost all cases. Oliver and Company, The Little Mermaid, Rescuers Down Under and Aladdin, all November releases. I also read it as an extra joke that this incredibly violent movie would be a holiday film. Yes. And you know what broke the tradition was the lion king because the lion king went over budget they're like uh we can't release it in time for november we need a different november movie i guess it's going to be june and then it breaks all disney box office records it's their biggest one ever and like i guess summer is the time for disney films after all and pixar eventually did that yes cars. Cars broke that tradition.

Cars was the one that was the first June one. As if you guys haven't listened to our Cars one yet, Nina, you're a defender of life as a highway, though not the version that's in the movie.

No, I like both versions. I think they're both fine. Okay. Very Canadian, right? Oh, totally, yeah. Tom Cochran is a national treasure. He has the order of Canada and you mustn't speak any ill of him when we're back home.

Well, I won't be on any highways. I'm staying off the road. What is your life then? Light rail, I would say. My life is like light rail. The next day here, and then you're gone. Hey, that's today for you guys. You'll be on the road soon enough and be somewhere else tomorrow.

By the way, I watched Cars for the first time to listen to your commentary, and I hated the movie. But our commentary, you couldn't stop laughing. Oh, yeah. No, the movie was putting me to sleep. No, I'm sorry. It was our car-mentary. Oh, yes. Why didn't we say that?

We should have. Where was that then? You're not a convert to the comedy stylings of Larry the Cable Guy after that? You know what? I never had any experience with Larry the Cable Guy after that? You know what? I never had any experience with Larry the Cable Guy. This is very topical, by the way, for this episode. My first time hearing him or seeing him at all was for Jingle All the Way 2, which was filmed in Vancouver, by the way.

Oh! Part of Vancouver. I see. He wasn't that annoying in it. I thought, oh, he's got to have all these raunchy jokes, and he's got to be really sexist and awful, but he wasn't. I guess it like i thought like oh he's gonna have all these raunchy jokes and he's gonna be really like sexist and awful but he wasn't i guess because it was a family film he was really toned down so i don't know what he's like outside of jingle all the way too so my first impression of him was oh what a nice man and he's fine as mater too yeah he honestly

grew on me as mater he was not my least favorite part of that movie. So maybe I'll just stop with my exploration of Larry the Cable Guy with those two movies. Don't watch his special Get Her Done in the unrated Director's Cut DVD. Since we're all together now, I can tell you that I've now lived in Vancouver long enough for filming to interrupt my life. Oh. Where I went to a very close by local coffee shop. I was like, I'll get coffee in the morning.

And I walked by and I'm like, I think this is where it's supposed to be, but it's a musical instrument store. Am I going crazy? And the sign still says coffee. And I ducked my head in there like, oh, we're filming today in here. So on the lookout for the 9 million things

filmed in Vancouver that month, what made me walk an extra block to get coffee? That was so funny because I think that was one of the first times you went out on your own to get coffee instead of me coming with you. And jokingly I was like, oh, are you going to be okay? And you're like, haha, I needed my name pinned to my shirt or whatever.

And then that happened. I walked by it and I was like, well, maybe it's not on this block. And I looked at Google Maps and it said, no, it's 10 feet behind you. And then I was like, I have to find out what's going on. And then you showed me later. I was like, oh, wow. They really made it look like a music store. It's cool.

For Star Snoop, the one I want you to keep an eye out for is John Cena. Because when they filmed that Peacemaker season two, they filmed one there. So I'm guessing season two is going to be filmed there too. Well, I'm trying to get work as a background artist on So Help Me Todd. So look for me on that show. I guess all the DC shows are over now. They all got canceled so they can't be on those now unfortunately we are currently watching a show that was filmed in vancouver

i don't want to say what it is because someone will spoil it for us by the time this goes live we'll have seen the remaining nine episodes yes but i guess bob you said now you can kind of recognize that it is vancouver absolutely yeah the dream and the mystery of cinema is gone for me now i just everyone's always in vancouver and i i can see like by the bus lines and by like the word Victoria on buildings and things like that. And one of the very prominent locations in said series that we're watching is a location that was in a neighborhood that I grew up in as a kid. It's constantly used for filming. And I even have like a photo of it because to me it's like a landmark of my neighborhood. We'll be done with the season by the time this goes live weeks from now. We can say what it is. Okay, it's Yellow Jackets.

Yellow Jackets. Oh, okay. I'm interested to hear what that show's like. I've only heard it as a name of shows people watch. It's very good. And there's African Grey representation in it. Yes, yes. But it's also an insult to people who are into podcasts and

birds there's too many podcast meanness on films and movie and tv shows this is not a spoiler but it's like you know this awful person who's just crazy and irritating they love podcasts and guess what they also have a bird yeah see this is what happens when you give joe rogan the big deals it makes people think oh when you say your podcast you mean joe rogan the big deals it makes people think oh when you say your podcast you mean joe rogan and hateful men that's the problem but she is one of the best characters though oh yeah for sure i think she's like a fan favorite too i think so too it's like you love to hate her that's the kind of character she is she's the boy you love to hate yes christina we can say yeah okay all right you know once we're done with boys, which was another Nina pick.

This one has very few boys. I like that you called it boys instead of the boys. Yeah, come on. See, you did it again. I did it again. We need a cat scan. I think we need to go that far. Yellow jackets is just yellow jackets.

Okay. But boys. When we're done with boys. Then we'll watch girls. Yeah. Yeah, it's like Lord of the Flies, but with ladies. Ladies of the Flies. Okay, it's like Lord of the Flies, but with ladies. Ladies of the Flies. Okay, all right.

Lord of the Butterflies. Oh, boy, man. I got to stop doing this with the word the. Why am I doing this? So, yes, after that bit with the goat hissing at Homer, which also I think is great animation, they then cut to the itchy and scratchy billboard that sprays up blood, and the newlywed couple loves it.

It's a great little joke that they are like,'s delightful they're just covered in fake blood and then it like pumps out fake blood by the gallon every second and it never stops doing it all day long i hate to go back i noticed that in this episode they do sequels to some of the jokes in this maybe intentionally maybe not the little brief gag in the trailer where basically itchy is presenting a woman made of bombs for scratchy there's a sequel to that we looked it up it was a star is burns and i think it's four funerals and a wedding it's a more elevated take on the premise in which scratchy falls in love with a bomb wife and they have bomb children together and she explodes and kills him as they're walking on a porch swing together and Itchy dies in that short as well. Yeah, then

he has a heart attack. That's right. Yeah, but it's like I like how they took that idea a couple years later and pushed it to the limit where he actually has a long, very enriching life with a bomb wife. You know what? That short is sweeter than the opening 10 minutes of Up. It is. As someone who is not, who

didn't think up was that great even the beginning i don't get the big deal we can talk about this later nina saying down with up i tried to find if there was a similar thing to this there was an inventive ad in 2008 in new zealand for kill bill airing on television where basically it's the the pose of the bride with her blade out and it looks like she just killed a bunch of people and blood had to spray it everywhere and it's by a parking lot and there's a car that almost certainly is owned by the advertisers that it's a white car that had blood sprayed all over it so it looks like the ad just sprayed blood but i could not find an actual ad that actively sprayed blood or other liquids out of it.

But that's the closest Simpsons predicted it. In Australia, I think it's called Kill Bill. Well, you know, they must love Kill Bill in New Zealand because the... Oh, New Zealand, I'm sorry. Well, because the stunt actor in it is a Kiwi who then went on to be one of Quentin Tarantino's favorites. That's one talented bird. Then another another my favorite bits ever bart just smashing mustard packets to jingle bells and he says i don't know like we've

all been there why did i do that bart looking up at homer is a meme image i've seen a lot and it's one of those like i said between five to eight percent off model rough draft images that's so expressive and funny and i noticed that they're often like pointing the camera up and down it's not just like proscenium staging of scenes they're capturing like the perspective of the character who is in control of the scene or who's being dominated you really see the characters in that angle and it's hard to draw those designs from those weird angles i think that's why it's so fun to see because every artist has a slightly different interpretation of it they draw them so wacky anyway that when you're seeing them from a different angle you're like it's more fun to see how wacky they look yeah i love that i

also speaking of memes i've seen that meme a lot of like homer looking at bart bart smashing the mustard packets and that just it's saying like you know homer represents one thing bart another thing and the thing's being smashed are another thing. I just saw that used in relation to CM Punk, except CM Punk is all three of those things. CM Punk's Homer, Bart, and the smashed packets. The fact that it's mustard and not ketchup is a choice. I think they thought, oh, if it's ketchup, it would look too bloody. Oh, yeah.

I mean, I also, it feels grosser to me. I mean, it's both a giant mess. You wouldn't want it, but mustard feels grosser to me. And if it's mayonnaise packets, it would look like something else. Oh, yes. Frosting? Yes. Thank you.

Also, sequel jokes. Bart loves the song Jingle Bells. He's a real bad boy when it comes to the song Jingle Bells. Why was he singing it to Jingle Bells? I found that it's like, it's one of the first songs you learn. And as you're doing something something that is very repetitive, it kind of enters your brain. Yeah, I see that.

I remember it coming into my brain when I would be cutting lawns and things like that. Maybe you should also get your brain scanned. No. It's not called The Jingle Bells. We should stop teaching children Jingle Bells. It's a dangerous song. This is when, though, Homer is finally going to punish him.

Jingle bells, jingle bells. Why are you doing that? I don't know. Well, this time you must be punished. Well, you could punish me, but... No tricks, boy. I said I'm going to punish you, and come hell or high water, I... Wait a minute.

Ice cream truck! Me, me, I was here first! Now, what were we talking about, boy? Uh, we were talking about the time you beat Jury Duty. Oh, yeah. The trick is to say you're prejudiced against all races. So, Bob, you just went through Jury Duty, but fortunately you didn't have to take the stand. Yes, out of all the things I went through during the move, getting the Jury Duty summons was something that made everything a lot more stressful.

But they understood I was moving and it was fine but i was thinking of homer's plot i could just say i think all cops are evil and the justice system is a joke man yeah that's all you have to say you don't have to portray yourself as a racist you can say all cops are pigs like just say i hate pigs homer's all races though is very great because it's like an impossible like belief system it's true he hates all people yeah yeah this apparently this like came up in the news recently even last year there was a boston news story about how a member of the jury pool said he was biased and that he doesn't quote care for black people and so he got taken off in the jury pool yet it was still an all-white jury that then was not favorable to him and to

the defendant and that they talked to a legal expert and they're like yeah i mean legally you can just say that and you will very likely be taken off of the jury because they don't want a biased jury members it still can work if you don't care about people thinking you're racist or being known to be racist then you can get out of jury that's one way to do it and speaking of racism we have native american ice cream formerly big chief crazy cone we're getting these fun little jabs at early 90s political correctness because last episode season four we did they prefer to be called the living impaired oh yes yeah this is a specifically the chief wahoo design once again they really love the chief wah. Again, as a kid, I didn't know that was supposed

to be a person. I was like, it's the baseball demon. Homer is having a bomb pop, the blue, white, and red classic bomb pop, which is my go-to whenever I have to draw a popsicle because it most clearly reads as a popsicle. You guys did

the Penny Arcade Expo Mortal Kombat panel. You got me to do the artwork for that. And I wanted to draw an ice cream cone in Henry's hand. And you, Henry, requested a popsicle instead because you like popsicles more than ice cream. And I think I said like, no, because popsicles can read as too phallic. Yeah, I get it. And then I said, oh, but it could be a bomb pop. I could do that.

I think I called it a red, white and blue one because I didn't know the branding of Bomb Pop. Either like Bomb Pops or Rocket Pops. I also saw one company calls them Fire Crackers. Yeah, I've heard that too. But yeah, when you said Bomb Pop, I think that's the main accepted name for it. It probably depends on where you're from. When it's the Ice Cream Man,

I do tend more in the chocolate direction than the fruit direction. So I don't think I ever ordered a bomb pop. It's been a while, but I love getting the character popsicles made out of sorbet or whatever with the bubblegum eyes. Like the classic Sonic one. Yeah, yeah. SpongeBob, Sonic, Ninja Turtle. Spidey.

Was there ever a Bart one? Oh. There had to be. I feel like that's so easy to do, but I can't picture it in my head. Actually, the biggest negative would be undiverse flavors. It would just all be lemon, right? I think a Homer one would be delicious because his mouth area would be

chocolate. Ooh, yeah. And a Marge popsicle would work really well too. Marge ice cream. I was just at Universal, but didn't spend too much time in Springfield, but I was reminded that they have marge cotton candy which is just like it's a bag of cotton candy blue but in a marge hair design on the outside i'm looking and the popsicle brand popsicle has produced bart simpson popsicles

oh what does it look like does it look hideous no it looks good it has candy eyes i'm trying to pull up an image for everyone to look at here in the room here let me let me turn this uh laptop around that's the bart popsicle good. That's a good Popsicle. You know, that's not bad. I'm sure it does not look like that in real life. No, no. It does look boring. That's the render of the Popsicle. I want to eat his black eyes. Like a doll's eyes.

Oh, sour cherry lemonade ice with candy ice. Okay. That's more exciting than just pure lemonade. I like sour cherry. How can you buy these on Amazon? They're frozen. I don't understand this. We could try. Yeah.

Well, I guess I once bought cheese on Amazon and it was perfectly fine. I got some frozen steaks from you that were shipped pretty well. That was Omaha. Amazon did not step in. Homer's excitement. I was saying this before, but this is where Homer becomes Bart's little brother. He's just like, ice cream man, ice cream man. Another of your reminders that this is a John Schwarzwalder one.

Did you guys ever actually go for those? When you heard the ice cream truck, did you run outside and actually get something? I was never allowed. It was a real introduction to anxiety for me. There was a limited window in which ice cream is available. Where is where is change located am i allowed to leave the house does someone have to come with me i say he should come door to door the ice cream man he should not be a moving target and kids and traffic don't play well together so i don't know i think now that would get shot possibly it's like that guy's a groomer yeah exactly man's coming through the neighborhood

honestly i'm surprised we're not hearing about ice cream trucks being shot all the time you know i didn't do it much with the trucks i do recall several times on vacations not from the truck but like i really remember us going to washington dc together and a couple times it was a very hot summer in washington dc and that was when it was like not the truck, but the guys with the carts that were walking around ice cream. I was like, that is where I got a Sonic Pop. No, sorry. The Spider-Man Pop was the hot summer in D.C. I bet now when there's an ice cream truck outside, the parents hand their kids their smartphones and they can just tap it.

Because no one uses cash anymore. Do you guys do apple pay meanwhile lisa very healthily comes into the room saying we got beats memorable that line reading i love that line it's so random it really is saying it that way but it is it really captures being excited about buying like a new thing at the grocery store with your parents like oh let's let's get this and you're're really excited when you get home. I've never actually bought beets. I haven't either.

All the Doug propaganda didn't work on me from Disney's Doug. All the beets talk never made me want to try. I mean, they never made it look that great. I bought canned beets. I've had beets in salad, and it's fine. Yeah, I made a beet salad. But the juice just gets everywhere.

Yeah. And it stains everything. Oh, yeah. I don't like handling that also i love the expression on homer just like his face as the carpet's being ripped up it's another very funny drawing yeah rich more remarks about how much he loves how his face just returns to that in between dialogue on purpose it's great this is when bart instead of being punished just leaves see in the funny pages and this is where homer says can he be both like the later warren so oral warren wasn't a stripper homer saying that's naive is

this because he oversaw a lot of stripping of decisions and being progressive like he stripped away segregated schools and stripped away uh you know miscegenation laws and all that stuff that seems too smart this was not trenchant political commentary homer thought he was taking off that robe on a stage he oversaw in case you don't know brown versus board of education miranda versus arizona and loving versus virginia three of the biggies this is back when you know for the that window of time where the supreme court was known for making progressive decisions and changing and getting rid of laws that Americans weren't all in favor of that you couldn't pass as a vote, but they were able to change it.

Meanwhile, now it's the opposite of that right now. It's instead things that the majority of Americans prefer. That goes away, and you don't get it back until seven people die, I'd say. I, of course, mean when time makes them die and nobody would kill them. That's not what I'm saying. When time makes them die. Yeah, that's all. He was killed by time.

I also love Homer's like, I can't let that happen. I won't let that happen. I can't let that happen. Great staging on that, too. Like every step and the way the camera moves in. Yeah, he's walking towards the camera. It's good. So then it's time for Iron Springfield.

The first bit they have there, I think is because it was straight from the news. The man who's hiccuped for 23 years in real life. Did you look this up? Oh no, I was saying it's 45 on the show. Is the real guy 23? No, it's actually 68 years. Oh my God.

Jeez. What a cursed existence. So this man named american charles osborne he started hiccuping in the early 20s apparently suffered minor brain damage on a farm and it just made it so he could not stop hiccuping he hiccuped his entire life, late, late, late in life. In 1990, he finally stopped hiccuping. So it was in the news. Man who hiccuped for 68 years finally stops hiccuping. He died a year later. Oh, he got to enjoy so little of a hiccup-free life.

He probably just got used to it at a certain point. He said he got used to it. And you know what? I bet he's gotten so much unsolicited advice from people going, oh, have you tried this? Have you tried that? It must have been so annoying to be him, aside from the hiccuping thing. I have a recent chronic hiccuping story. Do you remember sports legend Bo Jackson? Bo knows baseball.

Bo knows football. Bo knows, I think, basketball? Also, Bo knows chronic hiccuping because he had a case of it from July of 2022 until he received the medical procedure in May of 2023 to correct it. The issue I'm having now is I can't find out if the procedure worked, but I also am not reading any obituaries. So either it didn't work and no one reported on it or it did and it wasn't that eventful. But Bo Jackson had hiccups for almost a year. Wow. Maybe this record will never be broken because there's just advances enough in science that medically they can just snip something

in your vocal cords or do whatever Bo did to make it stop. This poor guy didn't live long enough for it. It's just like how Andre the Giant was born before they knew how to slow down the pineal gland issue he was having that was causing his gigantism. Gigantism happens, but it's identified early enough by doctors now that they basically snip your pineal gland so you stop growing once you're big enough. It was discovered

too late for him. At what point would you like to get it snipped if you had that? Eight feet. Eight feet. I mean, once you have one and a half rows of teeth, when you're going to get to your second row of teeth, then that's too many teeth. Do you have like a go to cure for hiccups? Hmm. The holding breath one often works for me. My theory is that none of them actually work. Well, I do like a big drink of water and it kind of stops after that. Yeah.

For me, it's holding breath, but also pushing down like a lot of pressure on your diaphragm as you're holding your breath that kind of does it instantly for me most of the time i feel like it's mostly scams i think it's mind over mid scams scams and flams yeah if i think it works it's all i think it's mind over matter i think that's what it is they then cut to the behind the scenes special that was all arranged then this made me think of we've talked about before but it really made me think of the roger rabbit one probably because i re-watched the whole thing for us to do when we did roger rabbit yeah and also this was around the time where mickey mouse just turned 50 and bugs was 90 so they had seen a lot of these specials by this point no you're right 89 was the 60th anniversary or late 88 was the 60th anniversary of mickey because

roger rabbit was in that one too i watched it for the podcast okay yeah i remember i had like a lap desk as a kid and it was a mickey 60th anniversary lap desk so they were celebrating 60 as well i loved ringing out of my 50th anniversary of bugs glass i had one of those little like glasses with the 50th anniversary thing on it and it was just so magical seeing like as we can know now the very stage thing of like and here's how animators work and they've got the three pages in front of them and i'm like that's them making the movie not this is them posing with an animator at his desk and then him saying like yeah so i'd probably do it like this and this is the very truthful 90s version in which it's like oh this is all done overseas yeah all right let's

talk about it well actually here's the story of animation real quick tonight on i on springfield we meet a man who's been hiccuping for 45 years kill me kill me but first we'll examine the growing itchy and scratchy mania with their new movie premiering today. I got my ticket. I'm here live in Korea to give you a first-hand look at how American cartoons are made. But first, let's take a look back at the year 1928, a year when you might have seen Al Capone dancing the Charleston on top of a flagpole. It was also the year of the very first scratchy cartoon entitled that happy cat so this was not a beloved joke in rough draft korea this joke about it so i totally can see how the american writers

when they start working in animation and they learn that, oh, this all gets animated in Korea, I am assuming they all imagine, like, yeah, it's like sweatshop labor. Or, like, at Dun & Gun Point, it must be horrible conditions. And ultimately their sympathy is with the workers. Yeah, but it is pretty mean to make those people draw that scene. Yeah, yeah. And on the commentary, they said said we almost didn't send it overseas they were very insulted by this and especially for a new studio like rough draft

that was apparently very nice i also because i think especially back then greg and nikki vanzo founded it and prided themselves on like we want to take korean production to a new level like we want it to be quality institution we want it to be run you know with great animators and so here they are trying to start their new business and they're being told like hey this is like where you hold people at gunpoint and don't let them leave and there's a rat running loose yes i did notice the rat this time i don't know if i ever did before no that's true yeah look i get it i one thing that is a real litmus test for me is when i hear on commentaries how people complain or understand the overseas animation teams i really liked on this for

instance on the recent sonic blu-ray release of the adventures of sonic show the milton knight who was on it he was very much like yeah that didn't look very good. But the people making this at the South Korean studio had to pump out footage so fast. There's no way it could be good. And I don't blame you. Meanwhile, some people do say, oh, this sucks because Koreans don't know what a department looks like or whatever. Like, oh, they can't write a newspaper. On commentaries for The Simpsons, writers have said ignorant things about Korean animation studios and that they've been corrected by directors. Basically, like, here's what actually happens and here's why things come back wrong sometimes yeah so the animators are at least usually on the side of the the

overseas animation but i i mean i totally understand they'd be like oh so like hey why don't you animate this shit then if you it's but but yeah you're right i do think the comedy the writers aren't saying we love that we imagine animators are abused it's more i think them trying to sort through their feelings that they think that they're exploiting terribly animators to make their cartoon show but a happier subject of course is flagpole sitting now i'm sure when i was a kid i thought like well this must have actually happened with Al Capone. But really, the joke is they're combining three of the most iconic things from the 20s. And I actually looked up flagpole sitting this time for this podcast.

It's not just a Harvey Danger song. It's actually a real fad. So the fad was begun by stunt actor and former sailor Alvin Shipwreck kelly who sat on a flagpole either on a dare or by a friend as a publicity stunt shipwreck's initial a 1924 sit lasted 13 hours and 13 minutes it soon became a fad with other contestants setting records of 12 17 and 21 days in 1929 shipwreck decided to reclaim the title he sat on a flagpole for 49 days in atlantic city new jersey setting a new record the following year in 1930 his record was broken by bill penfield in strawberry point iowa who sat on a flagpole for 51 days and 20 hours until a thunderstorm forced him down they really needed

the internet yeah i could probably do that if i had a smartphone yeah and but okay i wonder do those articles say what do they do with waste like i'm sure it's like those tree sitters okay oh buckets they're up and down but how do they sleep i mean there's so many questions yeah if you're sitting in a tree house fine you can poop in a bucket and send it down but you can lay down on a branch yeah i mean how do you stay seated on a flagpole and defecate i'm curious about these things i like the song more than the actual flagpole singing by the way harvey danger is a seattle band oh are they oh wow i if they're still together on tour i want to see them they're not oh well that song is a throat ripper is what

it is and i always want to do it in karaoke and i always regret it for my voice they raised awareness of people cutting off your legs without your consent i really love that joke that it's about how everybody just combines like oh these things all happened at the same time in the past and also that like 1927 and 1928 the same year everything happened the same like how when you look back on history everything just smashes together like the beatles where it came to america the day jfk was assassinated all those kinds of things but uh that happy cat again i'm 10 uh i've internalized so much things about animation i'm not super aware but when this showed up i thought oh i hate these kind of cartoons they're so boring and now i can appreciate them more

because it's people learning the craft and having fun with what was considered basically a magic trick you would watch before a movie. But I remember like this reminds me of Bosco and I hate Bosco. When you experience the animation out of historical context or in order. I mean, I thought this like I love the violence of Tex Avery and most Warner cartoons. Why are there these other ones that are called Merry Melodies and nobody gets blown up or smacked in the face? And it's because cartoon violence hadn't advanced to that far yet. And I'm watching how it increased over 20 years.

I didn't understand that. And yeah, I mean, a cat whistling, walking down the street, that was amazing to look at. You'd be like, whoa, look at that. It's almost like the old felix cartoons i mean there was slapstick but it's just like you're watching a cat move yeah i can't remember why we did this but bob you and i re-watched skeleton dance oh yeah recently and we were like this is great nothing happens in it it's just skeletons dancing and they repeat

animation a lot like what if this happened again but from that angle yeah and they're just having fun it's just an animation showcase same with like you know most of the old mickey shorts like the mickey alice in wonderland short where it's just like yeah he just he goes through a bunch of like fun things with the alice in wonderland characters it's not a plot it's not a story it's just look at this cool thing but we got then those animators 10 20 years later like well we got to make this into a movie and so we know all the plot versions of these that they have to build the set pieces around also what i love about this is it's why we love bill and josh this history is adhered to in the

day the violence died that happy cat is referenced as the first scratchy cartoon as is then steamboat itchy like they follow it perfectly and i love that they do that like bill and josh gave a shit about the continuity i like that brockman says it was not successful it was not also speaking of those old cartoons i was so glad i finally followed your advice bob to check out the walt Family Museum in San Francisco before I left because there is an entire room dedicated to that era of Steamboat Willie especially but all the first Mickey tunes the focus on the history of Steamboat Willie is just amazing to look at and it gave me more appreciation for this parody here and all the stuff they get correct. And it's so great on the commentary. They are avoiding a lawsuit, which is so funny.

Yeah. Somebody's asking, like, didn't we copy animation directly? Matt Graney's like, nope, no, we didn't. I think it is the animation of the smokestacks. I'm pretty sure that's what they copied directly. I mean, it lifted it. Yeah. Which, hey, now they're all the same company, so they can't be sued anyway.

Steamboat Willie came out on my birthday, November 18th. Not the year, obviously. Yeah. And because of that, that is officially Mickey Mouse's birthday. That's why I can never not that I've tried. I could never go to Disneyland for my birthday. It's my birthday. Exactly.

It's a very popular day. Apparently people line up for hours to say happy birthday to Mickey. What about me? When do I get my day at Disneyland? He's probably wearing special outfits, too, even. Oh, man, and when you go to Disneyland on your birthday, you can ask for a special birthday pin so everybody greets you as like, oh, it's your birthday. But if you were to do that on Mickey's birthday. No one will care. Yeah. They'll spit on you.

That's because I'll be wearing my spit on me badge as i do at disneyland i think goofy passes those out the steamboat itchy is so great the way he shoots it like the machine gun bit it's he could shoot him all over he kneecaps him and just shoots his knees so he falls on his knees in pain to then be like beaten to death like in a mob hit style that calculated yeah yeah i don't know if i caught this before but i think another little subtle joke is that scratchy enters the movie as if he's like i'm doing my happy catch stick and he's whistling the song and he immediately is murdered for it yes it's like the old kind of cartoon meaning the violent cartoon and it's also it ends immediately which that's the beginning of steamboat willie and they're like nope that's the end he killed him oh me oh my it's kind of like how that happy cat was

the original tam and max and then yes max that steve purcell did making fun of his brother yeah yeah and i love also how they over animate the mouth on oh me oh my like they didn't have any real mouth charts back in the day or maybe they didn't nail that down yet so all the lipstick is so weird looking in those old cartoons that's again why i love they gave this to rough draft korea especially because the next clip greg vanzo though in general he is an amazing animator on his own and he's told like hey we're gonna parody these cartoons you love and that were not being appreciated enough when you came up in animation in the late 70s parody it perfectly and he apparently personally animated the hitler cartoon that one looks so

great and that was always cut out of syndication no that sucks yeah it's such a good scene this is one of the ones i would rewind and watch over and over again and i mean they're being a little naughty because this was not real public information that there were all of these propaganda cartoons like if you were around and you were a boomer they they would be aired for you up to a certain point but they were hidden from us and only later on dvd could you watch them with intros saying now we understand this is appreciated for the context of the time and certain things are going to be drawn certain ways. But this was like news as a kid.

Like, oh, there was Hitler, like Daffy Duck hit him with a mallet at some point. Listen to our What a Cartoon about Der Fuhrer's face. This is their kind of parody of that too. Every cartoon character beat up Hitler if you were big enough. It's also that Greg Vanzo's very specifically is like, this is itchy and scratchy if they were drawn like mid 40s tom and jerry it's such a specific reference to that tom and jerry and that their fluid movements it's just amazing and they get that style down perfectly and then also though i love swartz welder if this was his joke pitch it's him understanding those old cartoons too because it used to be like you know we're

normally enemies in a cartoon but we both hate hitler and let's kill hitler together and he tops at the next level where like itchy can't help himself he also has to kill scratchy still even here and fdr out of his wheelchair kicking a beheaded hitler in the ass doesn't this also feel like the revenge of nazis on tap of like this was the stuff they wanted to do in nazis on tap the cut bit from season two because it definitely had hitler and fdr in it yeah i think it's it's more justified though with the story they're trying to tell and on the commentary algin and mike reese say like this was our inspiration for the critic in terms of how it should look we want animation this fluid on tv and the critic would reach these heights occasionally and it was a

rough draft show and rich more like i said before was the supervising director on the show but then as the critic budget went down they learned like you know it's expensive to have amazing fluid oh if you want to parody you know 1940s top of the line shorts animation it actually costs a lot of money to do that same with like in the first episode, they're like, let's parody Beauty and the Beast. That can't be that expensive, right? God, I love whenever a cartoon does their take on historic cartoon styles, though. I mean, we saw this most recently in the new season of Clone High, the penultimate episode. Have you not seen it yet?

Oh, yeah, yeah. That one. Yeah, yeah. The very special episode of the For Your Consideration one. Yeah. And then Bill and Josh, when they did The Day That Violence Died, they would do more eras of Itchy and Scratchy, like the silent movie era,

where I think it was called Manhattan Madness, and then Fritz the Cat meets Itchy and Scratchy. So they would examine eras not observed by this episode. I mean, Clone High is always perfect for that. And I like when people want to parody things that aren't just from 50 years ago, but 20 years ago or 10 years ago. And Clone High is already in a historic style to begin with. things that you know aren't just from 50 years ago but you know 20 years ago or 10 years ago

and kohane is already in a historic style to begin with yeah it already is a 50s upa thing isn't it it's retro it's now retro because it's the resurrection of upa from the 90s you're right so it's like a retro version of a retro thing and also the sign save scrap iron what a funny thing like not buy war bonds but save scrap and then also i get this joke is funnier to me every time that the laughter kent brockman has when describing a rabid mouse killing a small cat he's just like this is i remember this is the era in which i'm watching with my parents my mom laughing a lot of the phrase a psychotic young mouse named itchy and also this joke about the real mouse that killed a cat

and then it's like oh isn't it a funny story of a rabid mouse killing a small cat but back to the safe scrap iron joke it did remind me like some of the war cartoons they would show us were not related to infamous historical figures or actual combat it would be like daffy or bugs they're growing their liberty garden and jokes about rationing and things and just having no fucking idea what they're talking about in these cartoons. And then learning later, like, oh, these are war references. And also, turn out that light. Yeah, turn out the guy with his baton pointing his helmet up going like, put out that light. Yeah.

Yeah. Or in the Gremlins one, it's like, we got one of these F cards. Like, that's the boo. That's the closeout gag. Yes, yes. one of these f cards like that's the that's the the close-up guy yes yes but just seeing these things and having no idea how to interpret them and they'd often be the last thing you would see in a cartoon super bugs was one of my favorite bugs cartoons but then ends with them becoming army men and going off to the army i was like oh why they do that like meanwhile during all this

fun that we're so distracted by maggie gets away maggie goes on a driving rampage which is the real version of the joke that's in every opening of the simpsons i wasn't thinking of it with that context you know it's funny like i feel like schwartzwalder forgot about lisa as a character and she's just sort of drawn into this scene i'm like no lisa was present as maggie is walking away again she is not getting the fallout of the bart punishment you're she did let him down too yeah that's true but i think she wasn't in the scriptout of the Bart punishment. She did let him down too. Yeah. That's true. But I think she wasn't in the script like Bart and Lisa are watching.

It's like Bart is watching TV. In the layout, they're like, well, Lisa has to be here too, right? But Maggie drives around. There's a dog driving a bus isn't my favorite ADR line. It feels a little weak. Oh, I love that line. Why would he not like about it? I don't know.

It just feels like it just is too obvious ADR. They just stand still and it's just the replay. It's just the recycled scene again. I don't know. So you just don't like the fact that it's ADR, not the actual line? Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Mainly that.

Look, his excitement that it's a dog driving a bus. That's when I know it's ADR. I want to see that dog driving a bus. It's funnier to imagine it. Yeah. And the fact that it's happening. Maggie crashes into the jail, lets out all the prisoners who instantly want to go time for a crime spree also and uh talk about cartoony that's not what happens when an airbag hits a baby in real life

oh you do not happily fall asleep have you read stories about this well no but that's why they tell you do not have kids in the front seat of your car just because your kid wants to sit shotgun they need to be of a certain age to airbags come out very forcefully and if they're too young especially if they're a baby that's why baby seats go in the back seat because airbags are not good for babies though here maggie loves them and falls asleep they should call them baby blasters that's's a phallic nickname, I thought. What? A baby blaster. You know, like shooting out semen. Oh, I wouldn't go there,

but that's somewhere my brain went. Alright, anyway. So, a crime spree is going on. It's all Bart's fault. This is when Homer finally must punish Bart. Alright, boy. This calls for the biggest punishment I ever handed down. And this time it's going to stick.

Come on, Homer. This isn't funny. Damn right. Bart, you can't go to see that itchy and scratchy movie ever. Oh, no. Beta. Oh no! Beta! That also had to be explained to me as a kid. I didn't know what beta was.

Yeah, VHS had won by 1992. I never encountered a Betamax machine. I didn't know what it was either, but I still thought it was a really funny line. And I would quote it. Well, you know what? I bet if I was 10 years older, I would have been a beta stan. I would have been like, but beta's better.

You got to use beta. It has better, higher definition. Was that their slogan? Beta's better? You know, by beta, it was. That was its main thing and that it was like, well, no, it works better than VHS or at least it holds more information, but didn't matter. It lost the war. Did you, do you think you would have liked beta max

because the name max is in there sure i think too i would have liked it i see yeah yes uh so then it comes back almost like immediately it takes back over i don't like bart pointing his butt at homer and asking for punishment i don't i think it's hilarious he's just like i'm so used to being you know physically disciplined that like it's nothing to me. Like, go nuts. Don't point that thing at me. I do like that Marge is standing firm next to Homer on all the shots. This is when Lisa saying it's the defining event of a generation.

Obviously, though, for our generation, she was wrong. It was not the Itchy and Scratchy movie. It'd be nine years later in 2001, of course. The release of glitter. So I bring up 9-11 here as well because okay bingo card holders yes who is one but it is because on the simpsons meme reddits i've been following it's popped up a couple times now where this scene is redone where it's abe watching 9-11 on television and then then Homer is in a beanbag chair listening to Roland by Limp Bizkit so it's just to show how time is I guess the moon landing was 69 so that was 23

years prior okay so yeah basically the same amount of time now yeah uh by the way I found out Betamax's slogan which which is watch whatever, whenever. It's very passive. Yeah, it does not pull you in. I don't know what VHS's was so good. And Homer is singing along to Yummy, Yummy, Yummy, the Ohio Express song from 1968. I know nothing about this band.

Another hit from the 60s is Chewy Chewy. Boy, man, they were in the real repetition of words that in an e thing as though they're ohio express they should have been the biggest band in your home state bob uh no they're from mansfield yuck well it's great too that homer like they make it so homer isn't even cool listening to like a good song he's listening to a like a kitschy bullshit song from 68 of course you know this also feels like a sequel they'll do later in the season. Stayed Up Listening to Queen. It is pretty similar.

I think he's even in the same beanbag zone, wasn't he? Yeah, kind of like passed down the beanbag chair. I mean, these were considered, the things we're wearing on our heads now were considered like the 70s headphones. I like them. They're nice and secure. The cans. Yeah, the cans.

So then it cuts to everybody lined up. That's another batman screening reference now definitely movies still sell out we just went through the summer of barbenheimer where i swear every oppenheimer imax screening seemed to be sold out for a few weeks there and barbie still was having full theaters i literally when i saw barbie in theaters in the small window i had to see it did to see it with the subtitles on for hard of hearing screenings because it was the only screening that had seats in it so i saw barbie with full subtitles the entire time and even though it was in english now enough time has passed i can finally say this barbenheimer was the

talk like a pirate day of going to the movies you know a good time was had bob i know but at what cost both movies are fine to see making an event out of seeing both it just feels like everyone just got a free joke that day i mean i did it too one two i was part of the zeitgeist but also sorry like edna krabappel i'm personally offended by broad social trends but also i didn't have i knew it was right before the move too so i was like well if i'm gonna see either of these, it kind of needs to be today. So why don't I just do it in a 24 hour period? One, one afternoon, one in the morning.

I saw Asteroid City. More like Asteroid Crappy. Oh, Bob, you're killing me, man. All your movie takes. Well, at least you saw a movie that featured actors from Barbenheimer. What was that? In Asteroid City. Oh yeah.

Well, that had every actor in it so oppenheimer has every oh that's true that's true every scene i was like and it wasn't like they kept it a secret but every scene i was like wait this guy's in this movie too what the hell like over and over again especially josh hartnett was the one i was like wait this guy's in movies again well he went away i take it back asteroid city more like asteroid pretty okay i guess come on don't you like the nerds hanging out yes they're fine it's okay to not like a movie there should have been more bullies there that's what they were so happy about they weren't around bullies anymore all these all the dorks it was the super friends from the simpsons it's like the world's smartest children have been assembled and no one is there

to bully them. You'd see why that was my dream, Bob. So, yes, everybody's lined up. They're right outside Bart's window. Then we get an all-time Homer scene. Someday you'll thank me for this, son. Not bloody likely. No, it's true.

You know, when I was a boy, I really wanted a catcher's mitt. But my dad wouldn't get it for me. So I held my breath until I passed out and banged my head on the coffee table. The doctor thought I might have brain damage. Dad, what's the point of this story? I like stories. Look, can we please go to the movie? I know my punishment might seem a little harsh, but I can't go back on it.

You're welcome to watch anything you want on TV. TV sucks. I know you're upset right now, so I'll pretend you didn't say that. Wasn't this that little sketch on Simpsons Sing the Blues? No, Songs in the Key of Springfield. Yes, I was just about to say, when I rewatched this episode,

I thought to myself, what do I know this scene so well? And listening to it just now, just in audio format, I thought, oh, it's because it was on the CD. It cuts off at TV sucks. I forget this bit. What does it set up?

Like what comes after it? They just threw on like a bunch of random little scenes to stuff that CD. It's a great CD. I think they then play the 18 scratchy theme maybe. Maybe, maybe. I could be wrong. I love I like stories. It's a real high point for me they seem slightly ashamed on the commentary they're like boy we made homer really dumb here no it's a great line probably with intent there is a sequel to this joke in march me not proud where

bart wants bone storm and homer's like you know when i was a kid i wanted an electric football set my parents got it for me and it was the greatest day of my life. Well, good night. So it's also about him having brain damage, more about him giving the worst possible story to relate to Bart. He's just telling Bart a cool thing that he got. But in this case, he's just like, Homer can't even remember. His story stops if he got it or not. He's like, I like stories.

I mean, that is a man of very low intelligence who just says i like stories okay the tv sucks scene in songs in the queue springfield is right between homer's barbershop quartet medley and the fish called selma medley huh interesting kind of a random placement yeah yeah that's right before boy that's so. But they do have the H&S Cratchy theme on the album, but it's nowhere near that scene. Interesting. Man. I also like when Bart's challenging his imagination.

They do a sequel joke with the box factory where Bart has to say, imagine like, stay going to the box factory. Today we're going to the box factory. I love those kind of jokes. Stupid TV. In this case, it's also a sequel joke.

Homer was very excited to learn how to build your own ladder. Meanwhile, Bart is very sad to watch how to build your own mailbox. I think this is making fun of when Bart's like, nothing can compare to the power of a child's imagination. I think it was commenting on just all the imagination propaganda we suffered through in the 80s. It's like, anything's fun if you use your imagination. I think it was just trying to tell kids,

just shut up and leave your parents alone. Just pretend you're a spaceman or something. And we still see that to this day. Yeah. Like, we'll see ads like, oh, wouldn't your child rather go hiking and look at a leaf than play video games? Like, no, I think they'd rather play video games.

Absolutely. That's never changed. Yeah, what was that one ad that said, like, I had a great time staying inside playing a video game, said no one ever. I'll never forget doing that i think specifically it was like because they'll never remember the day they got their favorite game or whatever and it's like no like throughout the first 15 years of my life i can tell you the

circumstances behind every video game i purchased who got it for me or what i did to earn it and the joy that came from that wasn't it a tweet someone made i think it was like a billboard scene in i saw this at an airport i think a sign at an airport i think the imagination propaganda was it was a big part of the muppet baby show and i think that was specifically driven by jim henson on some level he didn't like transformers and he-man and all the direct toy commercials so even though muppet baby sold a whole lot of toys that he at least wanted it to be like can we at least have the message to children of if we're not going to teach them

things like sesame street at least make them pretend and draw things and do stuff in their lives he at least wanted to foster creativity and from our what a cartoon episode we remembered that the show is mostly characters wandering over to other characters asking them what they're doing. And the character explains. Well, I'm drawing this thing. That looks good. Wow, Fozzie, that looks like Star Wars. Cut to a scene from Star Wars. This is when Lisa bursts into the room to let Bart know what he was missing.

How was it? It wasn't that great. Be honest. It was the greatest movie I've ever seen in my life. And you wouldn't believe the celebrities who did cameos. Dustin Hoffman, Michael Jackson. Of course, they didn't use their real names, but you could tell it was them. Lisa.

Sorry, Bart. I've been in that Lisa position. You are Lisa. Every time you go to any kind of event, you come back wearing merchandise from it. To let the audience know that you were there. My joke was going to be, Lisa reminds me of a little podcast host. Some people know that always buys a hat and a t-shirt. I love hats and t-shirts.

We need a hat count, Henry. Is it under 100? Yo, it's under 100. Okay, hoodie count. Under 50. That I cannot. Look, if it's over 50, it's under 75 you probably have way more hats than i do now yeah you know the hairline creeps back a little bit i've been enjoying more

hat purchases let me just say but also but you know what when you wear the hat backwards and all we see is like your forehead through the the window above the back strap it makes you look like you have less hair. It's not a good look. That is true. I have been noticing that. Bald guys who become hat guys always have the brim pointed forward. Yeah.

Well, so this is why I've been investing in hats that don't have that little window there, like the full fitted cap is the one I've been investing in. Those are more expensive, though. Hey, it's worth it. No, I just bought a $45 Seattle Mariners hat. But that's because I wanted to have a local team hat, but I wanted to go to a game. Did you get a shirt or a jacket or anything?

No, no, just hats. No trilbies. I'm stepping in. I won't be doing that, no. You know, I also do, I like hats because I started them not out of like hair concerns, but about when I would go on walks, was like i really you know sun gets in my eyes if i had a baseball hat again i'd get out of the way so yeah i think i made bob a hat guy a little bit but you don't wear that kind of i've seen this hat wearing increase since you guys

started it's mostly because masking it would fog up your sunglasses yeah yeah you made me more of a sunglass person i encourage you to get a cap when you were dealing with wearing masks outside. But now that you don't do that anymore, it's not a big of an issue. But we will buy and wear matching hats when we go to Disneyland. Absolutely. We love doing that. Yes. Well, I was going to say, I was feeling camaraderie with Lisa about how when I come back from something,

I want to brag all about it, even though I want to hold back my excitement if I'm like, oh, but this person couldn't go. But then I go like, I want to tell you it was great. I felt like that coming back home from things like, say, my husband couldn't go to something because of a work commitment and I went to it. Then I come back and like, can I just tell you how cool it was? He's like, OK, let me tell. I mean, it is best not to like try to rub it in their face. It's true. I know. I mean, it is best not to try to rub it in their face. It's true. I know.

I don't do it to rub in face. It's why I have a podcast. When I love something, I want to tell everybody about it. That's fine. I mean, this is the show also, slightly admitting, here are the people who guest starred on it. And I remember when we did Stark Raving Dead, on the commentary, they're like, can we say it?

Can we actually say it? And I think Matt Gray's like, yes, it was Michaelael jackson but here it's them it feels like an admission here absolutely yeah i love this moment because it was them when i was a kid i feel like it was not confirmed to it's still in question that when they did the joke that's when i know like oh so that really was michael jackson then later i didn't know who dustin hoffman was even then i think i saw well no I guess maybe I saw Hook that year or would it happen then uh yeah that was 91 okay yeah so maybe I did know him as Hook but I didn't really know the importance of Dustin Hoffman

being revealed that he secretly was in an episode of The Simpsons I do also like the idea of those huge celebrities playing uh characters in and each new scratchy thing like we never see other characters in there we never see them speak so there's these celebrity appearances but they don't even play themselves they're playing other characters which we never see and don't say it's them too i love how lisa poses for like you can tell it was them it's really cute you know you go to movie theaters now they don't sell programs as much anymore but they do sell like tie-in like popcorn buckets and cups and if you go to those roadshow things we went to one of those henry the tarantino movie yeah we did get a program get the program with the purchase of a ticket but i mean it's very rare so i was just

seeing groot popcorn buckets or also my husband actually bought one of these and he's been using it quite a lot. One of those, you know, reusable sipper cups, a Barbie one, a bright pink Barbie one. He's using that regularly as his like coffee drink. Do you suck it out of Barbie's head? No, no. It's a very understated Instagram friendly. Well, I don't want to say understated because it's bright pink, but it's a bright pink thing with just the Barbie bean on it it but it's not shaped like

that's more of an mcu thing that it's like oh a drink out of rocket raccoon's head or i would drink out of the barbie sippy cup with just her like a vacant stare you're just drinking out of barbie's head just margot robbie's vacant stare i would drink out of oppenheimer's head oh yeah the hat keeps it fresh yes you know oppenheimer he's a good hat guy but he came from an era of hat men so you kind of had to be a hat guy or else they wouldn't shoot you on site hey oppie wasn't sloppy i've noticed that hats come up in like old murder mysteries a lot yeah it's like you can leave your hat behind or your cigarette case or if you're trying to frame someone this matchbook tells me they were from there.

Yeah. All these things. Nobody has these accessories anymore that can be used as clues. That's a big plot element in. Rope is a cigarette case. There's a hat. There could be a hat, but Jimmy Stewart's character goes back because he leaves a cigarette case behind on purpose. Oh, no, sorry.

This is not. I don't know if it's a spoiler for Rope, but he sees like the murder of Vic. He's going to get his hat, one part of the movie, and he sees like, oh, this is the head of the person we're looking for who's gone missing. And that's when he leaves a cigarette case behind. So two items that are not part of like modern culture are very integral to the story.

Rope is awesome, by the way, C-Rope. We didn't spoil anything because in the first 10 seconds you see who murdered who and how. It starts with a guy getting strangled and you know who the killers are. Actually, I guess the modern equivalent would be like leaving your phone behind. But that's the thing that's like, oh, somebody left their AirPods behind. Well, this is partnered to your phone, so you did it. If you want to see Jimmy Carter, I'm sorry, Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Stewart condemn two men to death.

It's the movie to see. Lisa then tells Bart what he was missing then we see that bart is reading a novelization of the movie which definitely kids back then would read novelizations like but the joke is usually they were cheap things written like probably in a weekend by a person under pseudonym. Meanwhile, here, Norman Mailer, one of the greatest writers of his lifetime, he wrote it. And a year before this came out, he wrote his longest novel ever, which was 1,310 pages, The Harlot's Ghost. And so that's why it's the joke that the book is gigantic because Norman Mailer wrote very long books. I go to a lot of these bookstores and it's fun to see these novelizations because so

many of them are based on early versions of the scripts that have scenes that aren't in the actual movie. And apparently, and I see this in numerous bookstores, the E.T. novelization has a lot of like background info on E.T.'s people. Oh, interesting. All right. That and The Ride are where people like the podcast The Ride Guys get all of their E.T. facts about characters like Botanicus.

Botanicush. And yeah, I definitely read a few crap novelizations as a kid, though I can't remember any specific movie ones. The ones I remember, I read two or three Ninja Turtles prose adventures that were like 100 or 120 pages long. Were they novelizations of existing material? I think one was, and one was a new episode, or basically, they fight Leatherhead in space. I remember that. Interesting. Okay.

Yeah, I read the novelization of the Ninja Turtles movie before I saw it. Huge mistake. I think I read the novelization of The Mask. It didn't include how The Mask was moved through time, like it was a Viking thing. And that was a prologue that was filmed for the movie that of the mask. It didn't include like how the mask was moved through time like it was a Viking thing and that was a prologue that was filmed for the movie that was never used.

The visuals are the entire point of the mask. It's like and then he looked much like a Looney Tunes character. Or mask as Henry would say. I've only read the Jurassic Park novelization.

Samokin he was heard to say. Oh wait stop. There was a Jurassic Park novelization that was not the actual novel the movie was based on? Wow, wow. Yeah, so, yeah, I read both. I read both the book it was based on and then the novelization of the movie that was based on the book. Oh, I thought you were just joking of saying you read the book that it was adapted, but we're, oh, wow.

Sorry, Henry, I really interrupted you by screaming, stop. I was trying to think of recent times where novelizations came into being talked about. And nowadays they've been talked about when things need to be clarified in a Star Wars movie. Especially I'm thinking of the Rise of Skywalker novelization was how people were like, oh, this is how Palpatine came back or this is why this character died or this is what this kiss meant or whatever it was all in the novelization and the novelization came out months afterwards it wasn't time for the release so it would just be tweets of like here's the page from the novelization that explains why this stupid thing happened in

the rise of skywalker i wanted to clarify i looked it up. I read the junior novelization with color photos from the movie. So it was for babies. Did it come with stickers? I wish. But in this baby book they're describing velociraptors tearing apart. They probably skipped a few scenes if I had to guess.

I wonder if they even had the lines hold on to your butts in this kid's book. There's also the deluxe junior novelization. Oh, wow. I wonder what those are going for on eBay right now. It's like five bucks. Yeah, books have no value. Also, it's like the 30th anniversary.

It is 30th. We're going to see it in theaters. Yeah, actually. It's going to be playing in theaters. It's in 3D, though. Oh, I didn't know that. It's shown in theaters around here, too, for the 30th anniversary. Yeah, I wish they were doing non-3D versions, but but you gotta watch the 3d version i just paid 30 bucks ticket to see

the stop making sense in imax one day screening i didn't know you were a talking heads head i love talking heads but i especially love that movie i put that movie on when i worked at the video store once a week i watched that movie a million times but I've never seen the theaters I don't know anything about it is it just the concert it's a really good concert with well I mean his costume changes are amazing and it's filmed very well Jonathan Demme whoever directed it filmed it amazingly it changed how concert films were done I've heard people say there's way better concert films last waltz is better blah blah blah blah but it doesn't have any like behind the scenes stuff it's just the concert but it's just filmed incredibly and i mean his big suit dance is unforgettable there's so many

great little bits in it and if you see stop making sense also watch the documentary now parody of stop making sense episode because that finds all the funny things about that movie and parodies it perfectly. Documentary Now, I don't know if you guys have seen any episodes of it. It's a great, great comedy series. I don't know what it is. It is a comedy series by Bill Hader, Seth Meyers, John Mulaney, and that- Fred Armisen? Fred Armisen and several others of that generation of SNL produced by Broadway Video.

So it's an SNL Lorne Michaels production. Basically, they take one documentary film, famous ones that everybody's seen like Thin Blue Line or Grey Gardens or Stop Making Sense, then they parody it so specifically in such minute detail that it is only made for the most obsessive of crazy people to love and of like oh they're making fun of this one moment i remember from it and it is so good but i feel like if you haven't seen the documentaries maybe it's not funny i don't know at least in the united states

it's all on netflix it's a very good show i'll bring it back david burn future guest star will talk about him on dude where's my ranch this year year. Oh, very soon. Or next year. But it's a season. That's right. Season 14, not season 4. This is also when Bart gets bullied by Milhouse in a rare moment. I think it is supposed to be Milhouse, but I mean, the line sounds like Jimbo. Pamela Hayden does both, but no one who saw the movie would say that. Let's get him.

But I think it's supposed to be Milhouse. Yeah, I think it just shows how out of touch Bart is now from the rest of his friends. He can't even talk to Milhouse about this. Well, Bob well bob you felt that way many times when people have talked about marvel movies and you don't feel interested i choose to just be really mad at them and not voice it i think this reminded me of the school year after jurassic park came out in the summer and everybody had seen the movie except for me but i had to be like bart like uh that sounds pretty great let's talk about something else and they would just go on and on about how cool the T-Rex chase was and everything. And I had to wait until the movie came out on video over a year later. So it was a very long

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Did I mention that we care? I felt bad that at least once we went out to a nice pizza dinner on Bob's birthday, but a new Marvel movie had come out. And so we were all talking about the Marvel movie at Bob's birthday. You guys were like, these movies are going to be great forever. We'll never get tired of them. No matter what they do. That's the best part

look henry have you had that experience where you wanted to see something but you didn't get a chance to in theaters i feel like you've got to see everything you wanted to see oh as a kid yeah i mean yeah pretty much what this is also talked about in the special ed episode uh listeners but i went to see movies a lot with my mom and so yeah it was very rare i didn't see a movie in theaters if i wanted to see it if it was properly advertised to me and i was like i want to see this i can't think of a movie because even when it was like the super mario brothers movie i didn't see that when it was brand brand new but a month in at the cheap theater we went and saw it i can't think of feeling left out of a movie i did feel

left out when friends say had bootlegs of dragon ball episodes that i couldn't watch and they're like oh think of it and i was like i haven't seen that i also i don't like feeling left out of conversations to see i will watch something just to be part of the conversation so bart is living my nightmare in this episode i'm gonna bring up prime and mystery novels constantly, Henry. You have like 200 to read. I'll be on the other side of it. Some of them have movies. There was one movie I was hyped about seeing and I expressed to my friends that I really wanted to see it.

And they went to see it without me. So I never got to see it in theaters. I still haven't. It's Cloverfield. Oh, man. Have you seen that? No. We should watch it together.

Shared experience. First time. You haven't had anything spoiled for you have you not much actually i want to see all the cloverfields there's just two right yeah i didn't know there's a third one even i didn't watch that was on netflix yeah okay i heard it wasn't very good but i would say 10 cloverfield lane is a good movie i heard that's very good. Yes. Yeah. Well, I think I like regular Cloverfield more, but they're both good. They're both good. Though here, we were just talking about how much we hate J.J. Abrams earlier, and this is like, those are J.J. Abrams-ass movies. I like his stuff.

I have to admit. I don't hate him. Even the Star Wars movies? I don't care that much about Star Wars. I don't think Rise of Skywalker is as bad as people say it is. I saw it, and I'm like, oh, it's fine. And everyone is acting like it's the worst thing that's ever happened on Earth. And I'm just like, it's not great, but whatever.

I kind of was entertained by it enough. Well, okay. But also, I'm not that emotionally invested in Star Wars in general. I'm not either. I just thought it was one of the most unremarkable things I'd ever seen in Inept. I wish it was bad because it'd be fun. It'd be more fun. But it's like, here's another boring scene.

Look, I've seen like 40 JCBD films. Yes, yes. That's true. You've seen almost all Universal Soldiers. No, I've seen all of them. Oh, you've seen all of them? Every single one, yeah. Two and three are awful.

The director video ones. Which is the Goldberg one that the pro wrestler Goldberg is in? I don't know who that is. Well, he's bald with a goatee. Oh, that's all pro wrestlers. Okay. Well, it was the late 90s one. He filmed it in like 99.

Which one? Everyone came out in like 99 or 2000. Maybe three. Okay. People are losing their minds right now. I'm sorry. What is it? Could be this one or this one. What's funny because I didn't watch that movie, but I knew Bill Goldberg stopped wrestling for a while

to film the Universal Soldier movie to be in that one. Speaking of headier stuff. Oh, The Simpsons. Yes. Also, Tennessee Williams. By the way, it was... Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Nina.

It was three. The return, yes. During those glasses. To talk about something more high-minded, Tennessee Williams heroines and their demented melancholia homer should know about that because he just watched streetcar the musical he should know all about those tennessee williams heroines marge it's funny that it's been two months even marge is wanting to let it go that's really cute ellen sorry i said

it earlier can't let that happen oh yeah that's here oh listeners you've been mad at me this for like an hour and a half now and they bring up homer talking about bart's possible futures and one of them is like judge at a mr tight buns competition which is a funny line i guess it was originally going to be like a spokesman for the egg council but no one can understand what he was saying like what egg council what is that but then we see the egg council creeps later in homer the great eggs have gotten quite a bad rap you know egg advertisement in america i don't know how it was when you were a kid in canada nina but in america eggs were getting a bad rap as like an unhealthy food or having bad cholesterol

it was all like propaganda yeah and so the egg sellers of america had all these ads from the egg council like eggs are awesome you should have Eat eggs. I don't remember seeing those. I could see agro, big agro business in America, in the U.S., hitting hard on, like, no, eggs are great. Eggs are great. And so that's what the Simpsons are mocking. Speaking of egg eating. Oh, what about it? The Smash Mouth.

Oh, oh, no. It's topical. We are now a day away from the death of the singer of Smash Mouth. And I was mentioning to Nina, one of the more memorable things was when twitter was fun and one of the writers for something awful i believe it was john hendron every time known as fart known as at fart on twitter right he would constantly at smash mouth saying eat the eggs eat the eggs for charity and then it caused more and more people to at reply smash mouth saying eat the eggs smash mouth eat the eggs and eventually out of an event for charity with guy fieri he ate the eggs not unrelated to his death he ate like eight eggs yeah he had to stop yeah i'm sure there was some donkey sauce involved

best wishes to his family it sounded like he had a lot of demons i didn't realize he had so many substance abuse issues yeah yeah i mean either where We're living in the shadow of two singers that were funny to make fun of, and now they're gone. Jimmy Buffett and Smash Mouth Man. Wow, you're right, man. And now the ending of Rat Race is ruined for me. I didn't know Jimmy Buffett was in Jurassic World until someone referenced him. He was running with two margaritas in his hands.

I wish I had gone. I was just on City Walk right before he died. And now I wish I had gone to Margaritaville or at least taken a picture. My first concert, Jimmy Buffett. Wow. Oh, really? Both our parents love Jimmy Buffett. Yep.

They're big parents. It seems like a real parents thing. We're both making the drinky, drinky motion. Yes. Yeah. Except for my parents. They didn't really listen to music. They didn't watch movies or listen to music.

For suburban white parents, they had to pick one band that allowed them to get drunk somewhere and some chose jimmy buffett and that was our parents some others picked like grateful dead some pick kiss if you had like rocking parents we had the jimmy buffett relaxing parents that felt like a safe choice we lived in florida so picking jimmy buffett as your That felt like a safe choice. We lived in Florida, so picking Jimmy Buffett as your one felt like the easy mode. It's like, we're in the land of Jimmy Buffett. Was he ever on The Simpsons? Do we know this? I don't think so.

I'm sure there are references to him, but no Simpsons guest star role. Marge and Lisa can't convince Homer to drop it. We then see the answer that, like, you know what? Bart can't even fake seeing it he can't sneak into the theater the only theater in town aztec theater and it's not squeaky voice teen which is funny i mean it is the recurring friend of squeaky voice teen who pretty much gets phased

out by season five but they say it on the commentary but seriously i was a ticket taker at movie theaters only if somebody was a jerk to me would i prevent them from sneaking into a movie i'd be like if they were just like uh yeah this is a ticket to this movie i'd be like yeah whatever just go in there but if they felt like if they pissed me off in some way i'd be like oh wait no the rules exist now and you have to go get out of here well we talked about how you were lisa earlier henry uh recently i made this joke about you buying wrestling t-shirts I was going to send the do not sell to this boy image to the wrestling t-shirt factories and then

someone actually edited the screen cap to put you in to the do not sell to this boy image I've had to reckon with the number of wrestling t-shirts I own now you better sell those CM Punk ones they're only going down in value oh boy I have many memories attached to the buying of those shirts but i do think they're going to stay in the closet right now and it's just going to be spider-man t-shirts mostly these days until maybe good news happens in pro wrestling hey punkanda forever i'm doing the pose now that i can get behind it's a cm punk pose and the wakanda forever pose yeah hey now that i can get behind hey universal hollywood they have the aztec theater and i wish you could go in it and watch simpsons clips it's just an

exterior you can't go into it but they build the exterior of the aztec theater i wish it worked like the mickey movie thing that's on main street in disneyland i wish they had that yeah it feels like wasted potential what is in there then? Nothing. It's just storage. Yeah, it's a bummer in general. I would bet because I just went on a VIP tour of Universal Hollywood. But I would bet everything is packed so closely together there. There's no space to put anything. It's probably like the gears of the Harry Potter ride.

But it just sucks. I wish it was that you could go in. The fact that Android's Dungeon is not an actual gift shop, that is a mistake of the highest magnitude. Oh, that's a shame. The next time you go to Los Angeles, NeNe, you got to go. You got to go to Universal. I know.

I need to go before they tear it down, which I feel like they will eventually. I think you'll at least get a few months warning at the very least. But then everyone's going to flock to it. That's true. It'll true way too crowded well i can tell you from just being there they're inching closer to it because right next to springfield was the animal actor stage where you could watch funny animals do tricks that has been ripped apart and torn down and it's going to be a fast and furious roller coaster there now and so

right next to springfield is giant construction walls, and they're building this roller coaster. And so I'm just like, boy, they tore that down. They're getting close to Springfield. They're tearing down nature to build roads for cars. For fake cars to ride on roller coaster cars. Yes. Disgraceful. I agree.

Bart, though, is told he cannot do it. And then we have a good transition of seasons here. And we see that Itchy and Scratchy did pretty good. I'm here at the Springfield Aztec Theater, where after eight months and nine Academy Awards, the Itchy and Scratchy movie is showing for the last time. Tomorrow, a new movie starring Liza Minnelli and Mickey Rourke will open. Will it be as successful?

Only time will tell. Well, Dad, I guess you won. No, son, we both won. You don't know it now, but I've started you on the road to somewhere very special. Let's talk about Mickey Rourke and Liza Minnelli, where they were at this point in history. So at this point in history, Mickey Rourke did play the titular character in both Johnny Handsome and Harley Davidson and The Marlboro Man. So obviously it was Johnny Handsome.

And yes, he was Harley Davidson. And, you know, he continued to act for a very long time. He never really stopped. But Liza Minnelli, her last real film role for a long time was in the 1991 musical comedy Stepping Out. And before that, she was in Arthur 2i on the rocks and the buddy cop comedy with burt reynolds rent-a-cop where she played a sex worker wow i've never heard of this rent-a-cop movie yeah i know this man both were at real career lows i only ever knew her as like a punchline me

too it's very sad i love liza when i bob when i showed you cabaret was that the first time you've seen liza minnelli i mean i'd seen Arrested Development and maybe a few other things. But yeah, mostly growing up in the 90s, it was like, look at this failure kind of thing. Or the joke was like, gay people love her. And that's funny also. But in Cabaret, you can see her at her sexiest, some of her most talented and greatest performances. I think Bob found her very annoying in Cabaret. Oh, her performances were great.

But like... Her character. That person, if I knew Sally sally bowles if i knew her i'd just be jumping out the window like get away from me god well i will say maybe gay people like sally bowles a lot because her character is like oh this is like the friend of a gay guy and like oh if i were to marry any girl it'd be this girl like that friend of gay guy. Good thing there's no other term for that. That'd be very offensive. Certainly not. No, no. Well, I'd be a friend of Dorothy's.

There you go. Yeah. Liza Minnelli was on a real low that you never stop being a joke. And Mickey Rourke, he had become a joke kind of run. And though he wasn't that like Angel Heart movie after this, I think, too. But was that considered a good movie? Angel Heart? I think it was definitely our pal. Will Minicron movie after this, I think too. Was that considered a good movie, Angel Heart? I think it was.

Definitely our pal Will Minicron movie Mindset is a big defender of that film. Okay, yeah. I just remember it being a We Hate Movies movie. It was not a successful film, that is for sure. If they're mocking, well, Angel Heart's not out yet when they made this episode. But I also feel like just like the Star Trek joke at the start, they're just not this mean anymore. They're not this mean. And also he plays the titular character angel heart he plays john angel oh right yes yeah he loves this sorry harry angel harry angel against his nemesis lou cipher which when you

say these words it sounds stupid but apparently in the film it's better i've only seen clips from it including like the you know the egg eating scene the famous nero eating an egg scene you see okay yeah after eating all those eggs oh yeah yeah we've seen the effects it can have on nearly 20 years later wait there's another famous egg eating scene he slowly peels and eats an egg in angel heart oh it's got nothing on cool hand luke yeah oh sure he's a regular smash mouth in that movie so we've seen cool hand Hand Luke. We saw Rocky where he drinks all those raw eggs. So now we've got to see this one. Angel Heart's up there with eggs. But it's just one egg.

I believe it's one egg. Meticulously eating a single egg. Yes. Is it like a threatening thing? Yeah, it's like the business he's doing is he's telling a story. The egg is symbolic for something. Okay, so it's like Homer eating an orange. Yes, exactly.

It's just like a good marriage. Yeah, and this bit about winning nine Oscars, obviously this is about Beauty and the Beast, which gets a more obvious wink later, but the year before was when the early 92 Oscars for 1991 movies is when Beauty and the Beast got its Best Picture nomination, which was unprecedented at the

time. And that's why there's the joke of that it's second build to the Itchy and Scratchy movie in the future. Just the idea that it would be a classic in 1991 was very funny to them. Just imagine if this new movie was considered a classic. And now it really is. And I must remind you, we are now 40 years in the future in this episode, which is now nine years away. And we're in 2032 in this flash forward. And it's shades of Fut really it's shades of lisa's wedding macraean hated this initially really i mean he didn't like that it would say that bart definitely grows up to be supreme court justice i think even he didn't want that to be his definite future i could see he didn't like that and but yes also it's like me and you were both 10 when this episode aired bob so this

is bart when he's 50 and we aren't far from 50 this scene fucks me up now i mean honestly it's the last scene of the episode that actually did make me like oh this actually gets me now like yeah i like that the aztec theater is still around, which might be kind of unrealistic, but it's nice that it's still there. Same clerk. Yeah. That theater reminds me of how like Bob likes to go to old movie theaters. And because of that, I found out that Aztec themed theaters were with Mayan.

It's Mayan. Yeah. I think the joke is that it's Aztec on the Simpsons. Yeah. But like Mayan themed theaters. And then we went to the Oriental Theater in Milwaukee and that's all like Indian theme with statues of elephants and stuff. Yeah. Just like, ooh, exotic. Those are really cool. Yeah. Yeah. theaters and then we went to the oriental theater in milwaukee and that's all like indian theme with statues of elephants and stuff yeah just like oh exotic those are really cool yeah yeah well now

i'm just asking myself is my childhood movie theater even still open i do think the the amc 24 in orange park florida which opened in 96 i believe is still open it tore down the childhood movie theater that existed before that it replaced it i think my childhood movie theater still exists obviously me and bob just left a place where every movie theater closed that was near us in a very depressing fashion including all of the classic ones the hundred year old yeah like the silent era it's like what if this was housing for students yeah was this the most we've seen of the aztec theater like we see the interior of it when kim brockman is reporting yeah because they go to the googleplex've seen of the Aztec theater? Like we see the interior of it when Ken Brockman is reporting.

Yeah, because they go to the Googleplex when they see the movies like the submarine movie and Colonel Homer. The Stockholm Affair. Stockholm Affair. Yes. Sexy. Yeah. I think this is up to this point the most we've seen of the inside. Yeah, because when I saw it, I thought, oh, that is how they look like inside.

Yeah. Like I remember in Bart's Telltale Head head he's in the movie theater with the bullies and in principal charming skinner takes hattie to the movies and one yeah they've been in the theater a bit but it's it is that aesthetic of the old 30s 20s era movie theater that's still standing it's very kitschy yeah yeah here we get to see the snack bar and the hallways and stuff also i noticed that with the first 50 customers get get a free Glexnor, across the street, there is a sign for a business called Glexnors for Less. Oh, man.

I think I missed that until now, maybe. I didn't know about that. Yeah. Before the flash forward, I loved the re-skinning of the billboard. Oh, yes. Until the barber school. Yeah.

It's like they decided to save money, you know. We could use this machinery. That's so great. Yeah. It's still pumping out blood all day but it's the barber school yes this is where they go to see the movie bart's finally gonna get to see the movie he is a supreme court justice it's something i really like at the very least lisa's wedding that they say that bart when they show that he's is seemingly you can assume

oh he's doing his construction job so he's not going to be a chief justice but he says i'm just getting out my aggression on before i go to law school so it still sits with the supreme court justice thing but they don't make a joke about it but i do suppose in the still relevant lisa is president future that they keep giving us in even recent episodes it is possible that president lisa could appoint bart to supreme court justice like that actually could happen even if he is the jimmy buffett style uh loser from those episodes so it's not to say it couldn't happen in other futures we've been shown also thanks to bite inflation it's 650 dollars for two tickets in the oh is that what they call it? Biden inflation? Well, that's the joke, yes. You have to spend your Brandon bucks.

The joke is really it's always going to be this expensive to go to the movies. Oh, I know, but the term Biden inflation, I was wondering if Henry made that up or if that's what conservatives say. It's what people are saying, yes. Okay. When I go to movie theaters or theme parks, it's when I don't think of how prices scale for families. When I think of like, you know, this isn't that expensive.

I say to myself when we're just it's me and my husband buying something as opposed to I'm thinking like, oh, I'm with a family with three kids. So this costs this guy a whole bunch of money more than me to go to this movie or to see this theme park. But think of all the free labor he's getting at home. When Bob and I saw the Mario movie, there was like a family, like parents with like seven kids or something. I think some of those were friends of kids too. I was like, sleepover. They must have spent like hundreds of dollars. Yeah, everybody had a drink and food.

And they weren't paying attention to the movie very much. No, they weren't. They constantly went to the bathroom. They constantly left for more popcorn and candy and pop. You know, if I was hosting a sleepover for my kid and they were bringing their friends popcorn and candy and and pop you know if i was hosting a sleepover for my kid and they were bringing their friends over and it's a movie i'm calling the other parents to be like you van mo me 40 now like i'm not taking your kids to a movie for free i remember when there was the pandemic lockdowns and mulan came out on streaming you're right about

that instead of the live action came on streaming instead of the theaters they charge like 30 bucks right and people were complaining about that but then some people with kids were like that's really cheap compared to what it would cost to take my kids to the theater so i'm okay with this it is supposed to be a film for children so and also with them seeing this old movie in theaters that is we were just talking about jurassic park i just have been watching a bunch of the ghibli films are being re-shown in theaters thanks to Fathom Events. They're hosting a lot of it. I love watching old movies in theaters again. Me and Bob had the extremely rare treat of watching 35 millimeter Roger Rabbit in a theater.

Yeah again I got a shout out. Well the Castro shows a movie every five months so go there if they're showing a movie. They probably won't be for a while but the Rio and Vancouver amazing theater. We're always watching old movies there and new ones sometimes we're so lucky to live so close to it now we just walk there yeah do the late showings and it's fine because we just walk home i like that fathom events is doing that but there is something about like they're doing their best but they're just streaming a 4k rip of it it's just a big tv screen it does feel different watching the 35 millimeter. Actually, I was getting a targeted ad of this.

At the Castro next month, they are going to be showing Aliens and Terminator 2 in 35mm. It'll cost $63. My opinion, they are both inferior to the first films.

Dang, really? It's just a matter of taste. They're all good movies, Alien and Aliens, Terminator and Terminator 2. I just prefer the first movie of each of those franchises i think i like one more than two with terminator but not with alien i actually do like aliens more than i still gotta see aliens you haven't oh sorry i did it i did that was bait but it's true it's true it's true bait damn it i was just like like Homer with like dough.

I mean, no. Because I've not seen Aliens. Well, it's a very good movie. That was heavily marketed to children. Well, I really shouldn't have been. I think it's fine. I understand why people like it, but I was disappointed by it when I saw it. I can't wait to see it because I love Paul Reiser.

He's great. Yeah, he's the best, man. They had a joke on mad about you about that where somebody asked him in an episode his character he said like you ever see the movie alien and he's like only the first one and then the audience pause for audience laughter there this itchy and scratchy cartoon though i really want the original draft of this episode because according to mike reese they really wanted to top themselves like let's do the itchy and scratchy cartoon to end all itchy and scratchy cartoons four years into the simpsons they just wanted to blow it all up

here and apparently john swartz welder wrote according to mike reese quote the most disturbing horrible sequence unquote that they didn't use at all he was commanded like write the most disgusting violent thing you can but apparently he went too far and they're all laughing on the commentary like this is the movie they went to see what seems to be a 90 second cartoon oh yeah i do like it yeah i would love to read that draft and see what he described when you let swartz welder go crazy they also mentioned that like this whole train sequence which is cute and all it would have been an act two is just like maybe in the trailer that they show yeah maybe yeah i think maybe this was cut from the trailer and originally they weren't going to show you what homer and bart are seeing so the trailer that they show? Yeah, maybe. I think maybe this was cut from the trailer. And originally they weren't going to show you what Homer and Bart are seeing.

So the trailer was probably longer before. I think they say that they thought it was a cop-out to not show you anything. But I think I would have preferred the mystery. And you just see it reflected on their faces. I love how the colors are lighting their faces in the shot. I would have done differently and kept it a mystery. It would have felt like a cop-out, and maybe if they didn't do what they did,

I'd be saying, what a cop-out. They should show us the movie. But I like the idea of the mystery more. So, Henry, in nine years, will we be watching End of Evangelion in theaters with your mom? And she'll say, which one's Shinji? She did take me to see Princess Mononoke. So, yeah, we should see.

Actually, here's a funny quick story. My mom saw princess mononoke yeah we should see actually here's funny quick story my mom saw princess mononoke before me because i was at a orlando comic con megacon now when it was out on vhs in japan but not yet released in america and so there was fan subs of it out there you could go to a theater a convention room and just watch fan subs and watch the whole movie. And I was standing in line to get a signature from Alex Ross, the artist of Marvel and Kingdom Come, that great artist. And the line took so long, I just told my mom, wait for me in the line and save me a space,

and I'll go meet you and watch the movie. The line lasted as long as the movie. And they came back, and my mom was like, well, I saw Princess mononoke i don't understand it at all so the biggest miyazaki fan in this room is that we know is your mom she's here in spirit yes speaking of mononoke that reminds me that is one of the very very very few movies i saw with my family because it's like oh wow a japanese movie came out and i wanted to see it so we went and I didn't

like it very much and I still don't I have like watched it since then and every time I watch it I'm like I wish I could like this but I just don't like this movie but I'm also not a huge Ghibli fan to begin with uh one of the very few movies like one of two movies I saw in theaters with my mom is Spirited Away and i don't like that movie very much either oh wow i think it's fine but i just don't put it as much as on a pedestal as some people do i first saw it in japanese at animation school before it came out in theaters and i was like oh that was okay i guess and then when it came out in theaters in english dub i went with my mom and she thought it was like too gross. She didn't like it.

And I was like, you know what? I wanted to give this movie a second chance, but I still don't think it's that great. Wow, man. I don't get the hype for it. I'm sorry. Yeah, I see. I mean, well, at least with Monarchy,

I just saw it on the big screen again. I really loved it. I think its biggest problem is that it doesn't feel, you could take it as dreamlike, but it doesn't feel well plotted enough. It feels a little loose, but the animation craft on display and especially the backgrounds are like so amazing to look at, especially on the big screen. I do kind of like fall into the world of it, even if I get lost a little in the story. Yeah, like don't get me wrong. The animation is always amazing on Ghibli films, but I need more than that.

After a while, I just kind of get used to how good the animation is. It's like, OK, give me something more than just good visuals. Well, yeah, you get strong morals about how you need to, you know, get engaged in high school if you're going to start dating. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't like that movie. No, I was bringing that one up because I knew especially you didn't like that one. And Bob and I just saw Cast in the Sky, and that was a movie a jimmy movie i actually liked as a kid and i hadn't seen in a long time and we saw it together at the rio theater and it came out of going oh that wasn't very good hey too long yeah too long that was cool

zero subtext that was good i definitely get the warm and fuzzies just seeing the scene of homer and bart i mean i'm now almost as old as bart as he is in this scene when i've re-watched old movies with my mom every christmas when i go home and we put on a christmas story the reruns on tnt all day and i'm watching it with my mom i feel a certain like oh i did this as a kid now i'm watching it now when i see new movies and theaters with my mom it really is just like well she's gonna fall asleep and she does my mom she just says i just get so comfortable i fall asleep like i don't blame her i am assuming homer falls asleep the second after this scene oh absolutely i love how sweet and shriveled he is like what is his outfit is this like a soylent green robe he's wearing like what future outfit

like what is his deal here little george jetson yeah i have the last clip here though which uh still gets me which one's the mouse itchy itchy's a jerk yeah oh i guess they could have gotten away with not showing what's on the screen and just have like a flood of red light casting on the audience to show how violent it is. And they say that it's intentionally, that's what Reese says, it's intentionally an MST3K reference of showing them silhouetted like that.

Yeah, when they come in from the right side of the screen and sit down, yeah, definitely they were fans of MST3k which was relatively new then 89 is the start on comedy's channel unfortunately joel will be gone in a year right oh man i can't believe joel was gone in 93 in my head i was older when he went away that's crazy i get these warm fuzzies watching old stuff with my mom but uh same with like when i saw inside out with my mom obviously i probably wouldn't have been as into inside out if i didn't literally see it with my mom and it's a movie about parenting that was a cheat code to emotionality for pixar for me i didn't like that movie either we're throwing down the movie gauntlet i sound so negative on this

podcast i'm sorry i swear i like negative nina i swear i like... Negative Nina. I swear I like movies. You know what? I thought it was overrated too. Go to my Letterboxd account. You'll see movies I like on there. What's one of your favorites then? What's another positive movie? One of my favorites in general?

Well, I mean, I know Millennium Actress is on your favorites list. I like Satoshi Kon more than Miyazaki. I'm feeling that more these days. Yeah. Well, the more I learn about Miyazaki. I'm feeling that more these days. Yeah. Well, the more I learn about Miyazaki too, I feel. I can list off my Letterboxd top four right now. It's Being John Malkovich. That's my all-time favorite movie.

The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. Millennium Actress. And Jurassic Park. Wow. Well, there you go, man. We've mentioned like most of those. Yeah, we've talked about most of those here. Yeah.

And Corky Romanoano did you enjoy our Millennium Actress podcast that we did I did that's good you should check out the art after this I've got the art book right over there if you want oh yeah it's a really good one and it's dual language I bet it's because it was partially paid for by like the Japanese government and maybe that was one of their rules like they wanted to be dual language as in english and japanese when i say obviously i being the only two languages that matter english and japanese last question for you dina you have been studying spanish a little bit did that change yes yeah did that change any of your perception of like bumblebee man jokes that are about high school spanish and spanish words most americans. I mean so far since I started learning

Spanish and Duolingo that's the only thing I've seen is that short little clip in this episode and that's not much right? Although it has made me more confident in ordering things at Mexican restaurants because the pronunciations of words the way they're written it's a lot like japanese like e is a u is uh u i is e it's it's all the same so i'm like okay now that i know that i feel way more confident reading these words you know i know several of my favorite japanese wrestlers they preferred wrestling in mexico to america and i think they preferred learning spanish to english that's just anecdotal evidence. Anyway, this is like a perfect episode. I love this episode. Yeah, yeah, it's great.

You could tell the people who made it care about animation on both the writing and the animation side. Rarely could a sitcom get this nerdy about animation. I think this is like maybe the first time outside of the Jim Carrey sitcom, The Duck Factory, that we've seen this thing happen on primetime television. Yeah, yeah. Now everything's inside and so niche but you're right you'd never learn this much about animation this is them riding the wave of animation nostalgia that came with like the mix of Roger Rabbit Bugs Bunny's 50th birthday and the Simpsons Bartmania and the Disney Renaissance all that stuff is making animation actually something that you can sell people to or count on them knowing. Unless it's Capital Critters.

Yes, or Fish Police. Or Family Dog. Yeah. Now, I'm sure you guys are sick of talking about this, but I feel like real life equivalent of the hype leading up to the Itchy and Scratchy movie is The Simpsons movie. There was so much hype leading up to it.

You're right. they had it like every quadrant covered like they had so many times some would have settled for just either burger king or 7-eleven but like no no burger king and 7-eleven and the only 7-eleven in canada that was turned into cookie mart was in a part of vancouver part of greater vancouver i didn't actually didn't go though oh i was too late to go out there i know there was one in san francisco but i did not go to one either i wish i would have waited until i was 50 to watch that movie i have to say i can't remember if i ever expressed my opinions about the simpsons movie here but i don't think it's that bad i still like it man i've been getting so many hot takes about all

these beloved movies and i'm saying the simpsons movie is okay look just go to my letterboxd and see that i have decent taste the terminator 2 no i didn't i never said that as we enter hour four i just feel like you guys are so down on that movie i'm like i don't think it's that bad we had to podcast about it three times i know we thought about it a lot i know yeah and we'll be doing it again i was pleasantly surprised by how much i liked that movie when i saw it i knew it couldn't be as good as the show but still i was like wow that could have been a lot worse and that's the best i could hope for when i first saw it much like sideshow rahim i was an angry young man now i've mellowed out but i still think it's kind of well i like that it started out with an itchy and scratchy thing yes for sure one of the best parts of that movie.

One final thought. Oh, yeah. I was surprised by how much I remembered from this episode because I don't think I revisited that often, but I quote so much from it. Like, poison pizza, itchy's a jerk, I like stories. No one who saw the movie would say that. Yeah, I do mean that one a lot. Yeah.

It's so good. I did that with Disco Elysium because that's a game you can play over and over and over and you don't get sick of it i'm ashamed i haven't yet played bob hasn't played it either your chapels are in it well not in the latest version no that's why i refuse to play it until uh matt chrisman voices every character i didn't realize it got dechapified it's such a lofty video game i've heard you guys gotta play it I own it on Xbox I should really be playing it like speaking of hype like everyone

was playing it I was thinking like oh it can't possibly be that good and then I played it I'm like oh my god this is amazing I remember you had a very good meme Simpsons meme of it too of Homer saying using the scene of like yeah Mindy drives a motorcycle using that in the context of Disco because I'm in the context of Disco Elysium.

Because I'm constantly just thinking of Disco Elysium. Yes, yeah. Thank you for joining us, Nina. What do you want to plug on this episode of Talking Simpsons? I'm on Twitter, Blue Sky, and Letterboxd as SpaceCoyote. That's SpaceCoyote with an L at the end instead of an E. And if you go to Fangamer.com, go to Collections, sort by artist, and click on my name,

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Thanks so much for listening, folks. We'll see you again next time for Season 14's The Dad Who Knew Too Little. And we'll see you then. You're fat! Just more made of love, honey. Oh, my poor baby!