Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Marge With Kallie Plagge

Episode Date: December 23, 2020

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and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today? Henry Gilbert, and I can't wait for my starring role in Stop Hitting Yourself. And who do we have on the line? Callie Plaguey, and I'm going through this phase where I can't wait for my starring role in Stop Hitting Yourself. And who do we have on the line? Callie Plaguey and I'm going through this phase where I don't eat meat. And today's episode is It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Marge. You suffer! You suffer! You suffer! That's our word of the day.

And today's episode aired on May 14th, 2000. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh my God. Oh boy, Bobby. The Million Mom March descends on Washington, D.C. in a campaign for gun control. I'm sure that worked out well. Prince reverts to his name of Prince. The symbol's gone.

And most importantly for our gamer guest here metal gear solid 2 is officially announced at e3 2000 wow yeah e3 happened in the middle of may back then and so it was uh e3 2000 i looked at what else was the big thing metal gear solid 2 is definitely the biggest because it's like sega was dreamcasting it up. They're like, look, here's Seaman. Here's Seaman. Sorry, sorry, Seaman. Go come now. Oh, boy.

Oh, Jesus, no. And meanwhile, Nintendo had to be like, yeah, we got something else next year. But they're still in 64 stuff. You can still care. It's Paper Mario. And Metal Gear Solid 2, the famous fake out up until the release you didn't know secretly it was not a salt snake game uh this all this pre-release stuff was about salt snake on a boat and the boat was a sinking and who knows what happens after

that and and man that first trailer like it was really amazing like yeah they pretty much all pulled it off on the playstation 2 like it wasn't like a giant lie trailer like now you just get a cgi movie for things they're like yeah that's the trailer like no it's not that's not a game but uh metal gear solitude that was i think that was really when kojima fell in love hideo kojima the creator fell in love with an e3 trailer reveal yes and if gaming culture back then was like it is now, he would have been like doxxed and swatted for releasing that game. Oh, God.

Yes, you're right. For the hashtag consumer rights going on, the bait and switch that game gives you, he would have been assassinated, I think. Yeah. And you're right. Thank God he's okay. Thank God he's okay. And that trailer was part of the lie because it's all Solid Snake in the trailer.

You don't even see any Bishounen pretty boys there. And the theme of the game is misinformation. So there you have it. Very clever. Prescient. You know, I don't even love every single thing he's ever done, but he is right more than most people are about the future. Like, Metal Gear Solid 2, I know in it, Sarge, I think he's the one who gives this long speech about how like if you just inundate people with information they just won't know anything they'll just be

confused by it like yeah and uh yeah that i totally forgot about the million mom march until it showed that's because it worked and guns are illegal now yeah that's right it's that i i believe it was done in like partially in response to it was like a year well it was more than a year after columbine but i think columbine was part of what pushed him to do it apparently they got almost a million pretty close they got close but if you have the counter protesters who were there then it's uh it puts it over uh and yeah good old prince no longer the artist formerly known as prince i think honestly me and you go into that deeper in the Futurama, because this was Mother's Day night for Fox.

And so on the Mother's Day episode of Futurama, we talked about this as well. Oh, that explains a lot. So this is a fitting Mother's Day episode as well. Yeah, yeah. And I believe the Malcolm in the Middle that night was also a Mother's Day episode. Interesting. A real mom night on Fox. Yeah.

Oh, and Peggy's Sexy Feet was the same night as well. This is a perfect night of television. It is, yeah. I will say what I said on that Futurama, because it's behind the paywall. That artist formerly known as Blank Joke, it spawned a billion bad jokes. I'm sorry, the original thing was not a joke. That was his name change to protest his bad deal he got with a record company. That is, you know, fine.

But that spawned so many terrible sitcom jokes, including some on The Simpsons. Oh, yeah, yeah. The artist formerly known as Prince was presently known as Prince. But yeah, Callie, could you imagine an E3 that happened in May instead of in the much hotter June in Los Angeles? God, it would be nice. There's really not a lot usually going on in gaming in in that part of the year it's kind of like a lull in in may i feel like you don't see a lot of big may releases it would be nice to have a break and have like actual summertime and

and not be uh dying in the heat of la well e3 is uh done and dusted now i guess yeah this yeah actually are you getting nostalgic now for e3 cali that you did not attend this year um you know yes and no for sure like thinking about e3 in 2000 i can only think of like booth babes and like terrible things about e3 yeah the e3s that i've been to i've been to i don't know six or seven and uh i definitely miss seeing people that was a fun part of e3 is seeing your international friends out of state friends just bonding over the absolutely grueling work conditions of that week i i guess maybe not good necessarily but um there is some some kind of enjoyment to be had in that that week where everyone's just kind of firing on

all cylinders however this year i was like i'm good not to not to go i don't need to do that right now i mean ignoring covid i was like i'm i'm tired man there's a lot going on we've been people have been saying for years e3 could just be done remotely anyway and that you don't need to why be there in person to see a press conference when you can just write about it anyway and that you don't need to why be there in person to see a press conference when you can just write about it anyway and so that uh i i wonder yes if that's the end of e3 so you can be sleep deprived hungover and order a 12 slice of cheese pizza for your one meal of the day at the end of the day you're just like why do i feel so miserable oh i'm dehydrated and i didn't eat at all today by the way e3 is the electronic Entertainment Expo. Oh, yes.

Which if you don't work in the games industry, you might not know what the hell we're talking about. Yeah, it's basically a week where you do 14-hour days for very little thanks. And you're just around sweaty people all the time. And then, you know what I really don't miss is them opening it up to the public because that made it even more crowded

and more problematic for me so um it's just you know it's a it can be fun but it's a lot it's a fun magic trick where you get 40 hours of pay for doing 80 hours of work uh but yeah i i uh feel pretty blessed i didn't have to go to e3 during the public years uh though you know maybe be awesome to meet all the people in my replies who could now go to uh to this event and and say hi to me and be just as nice to me in person as they are my replies anyway callie welcome back hey yes welcome back callie plaggey of game spot she's here and she was last on our on our podcast when was our last episode uh we were talking about um lisa i think it was was it princess cashmere okay oh that one not moaning lisa yes homer's night out yes yes yes yes thank you guys so much for having me back you know how much i

love the simpsons i'm always excited to talk about it yeah i guess uh you know what were you doing in 1999 or 2000 when this episode aired uh you know wearing a backstreet boys t-shirt to school butterfly clips in my hair probably a spelling bee in there maybe um definitely oh platform sandals that's a big one that's right platform sandal that's taking me back yeah i was a little gushers oh i ate many a gusher i think i was post gushers i was a senior in high school at this point but uh but yeah so did you see this one live or uh new oh i'm almost positive i did yeah this was definitely at the point in my life where we were watching the simpsons daily you know or like you know we were watching reruns and new episodes like all the time. So, yeah.

I'm wondering if I did anything for Mother's Day that day. If I recall what a typical Mother's Day would be in that age, it would be my mom would, I'd go with her to the beach. We'd spend a day at the beach and have a nice like day. And then we'd have like a Mother's day meal or something for like lunch but i would definitely have wanted to keep the evening clear for simpsons viewing and then say like sorry mom no you're just gonna make normal dinner i don't care it's mother's day the simpsons must be tv is mother yes we'll learn that though i do think for me this is a kind of underwatch one

on the henry tapes because or the gilbert family tapes i should say uh because we but who inherits those tapes uh i don't know where they are now honestly they might have uh they might have been inherited by the trash i i when uh my mom moved out of our old house but uh i think it was this was an underwatch one for me because we've said it many times but the string of episodes but especially going from Maude's death and then into the Kid Rock one. I think the following years, if I were to put in a tape, I wasn't putting in this tape because even if there was an episode I liked like this episode, which I didn't think was, I think is all right. I would have to fast forward through Kid Rock stuff and it would just remind me of episodes I didn't think was I think is all right I would have to fast forward through Kid Rock stuff and it would just remind me of episodes I didn't like I I saw this live and I was also on the news

groups you know talking about the show back in the day and I think it's adjacent to that cloud of polarizing episodes that caused this one to be looked upon disdainfully people were very mad at the treatment of Marge in this episode and i think uh it's a very funny marge episode because they make her say some very funny things like usurper yeah and i do i do like it i think actually homer actually acts more ghoulish in this one especially with the joke at the end oh yes yeah yeah you know this is the only like real marge episode of the season and that they have to uh well another thing that hit me watching this that it really feels like a gene season episode out a gene and reese one because

it is an extended film parody like that's that's why it feels most like a you know a season three or four that gene and reese did or any of their number of critic episodes that were just an extended film parody is it's what's the film parody the hand that rocks the cradle oh okay like uh i've never seen it is it very specific and the jokes they're doing here i didn't realize it until i'd never seen the movie but i watched about 10 minutes of clips that are on youtube and when i saw that i was like yeah pretty much is like it's so it's a gene thing that's a very outdated parody as well yes yeah i think he'll never be on our show i i think that's why selma has to say out loud the name of the movie in it oh right they name check it i'm sorry well when i watched i

was like oh yeah this is uh the the plot of the film is julianne moore is a uh a mother a trusting mother who then they hire a uh new au pair or nanny, whatever, to take care of their kids. And slowly she worms her way into their life and kind of tries to take over the family. And she's doing all of these like secret crazy things that only the mom notices and everybody else is like, what? She's great. We all love her. And she's doing it to make julianne moore look even crazier and so there's this one scene where julianne moore just like walks up to her in the becky of that movie she's being nice and then julianne moore because she knows she did something but everybody else doesn't know she just sucker punches her right in the face and it just looks insane to everybody

else so uh that yeah it's it's pretty it's it's more one-to-one than i thought it was from just knowing it as a name of thing but it's also honestly selma petty and selma they talk about that genre of film those 90s anxiety mother anxiety movies that like the good son we don't get those anymore those are just all on lifetime now yeah i guess it is that the the b level mom anxiety movies those are just on lifetime now and the origin of this episode is that they found out drew barrymore wanted to be on the show so they wrote this for her but then uh they thought of a better part for her next season as crusty's daughter so this one went to parker posey yeah

that's uh the insane clown poppy episode uh which uh yeah premieres next season but it's the same production so they must have been like writing them back to back i think so yeah i mean that part fits better for drew barrymore because well she could have played either of these definitely but i think that one fits a little better for her because she's famous as a child actor so yeah playing a kid it fits and uh and meanwhile i think parker posey does have more of an edge to her that she can come through uh as potentially evil in all these lines as becky here and she was just on futurama in the episode early yeah the deep south playing umbrielle the mermaid uh another southern

role although she's playing it up a lot more in that episode she's got the southern little tour voice in this one because she can't help it yeah right no she's uh for real southerner and uh yeah i mean parker posey rules like she's i'll say it on deep south again but she's just such a funny actress like very on the commentary they just you know refer to as like a pretty young thing which like i mean she was young and she is an attractive woman but she's also like a very hilarious actress who's great in all of those christopher guest films and uh in josie and the pussycats in 2001 she fucking rules in that so hard uh she's so good her her and alan cummings together like are this amazing team in that movie kelly do you uh what do you have feelings i'm really curious if you

saw josie and the pussycats actually i i was gonna say i i do quite enjoy that movie a lot so yeah i agree that that she rules and i i do think like it's funny because drew barrymore i just have a particular image of her and i i do think like she's funny because Drew Barrymore, I just have a particular image of her. And I do think like she would work for it. But I do like Parker Posey's performance as Becky a lot. So I'm glad it was her. And Drew Barrymore now like hosts a talk show filmed in an airplane hangar seemingly. That's right.

A friend of the show, Scott Garner, was like posting a video like, why is your studio this huge? It's crazy i you know all these celebrities they have like these basically they own the stuff this area is the size of rhode island why not just make a podcasting or a video studio i'm like hey it's my tv studio like maybe she learned some of that diy stuff from tom green too you know he was doing that before her they reunited on the show it was adorable i gotta check that out i wish they got married on snl they really should i think so if it was all gonna fall apart anyway get married on snl there's this girl on tiktok who does drew barrymore impressions so that's whenever i think of drew barrymore that's what i see is because she does the mouth

thing so perfectly oh yeah uh but yeah park yeah, Parker Posey, so great. I wonder if they say they recorded with her many times. I wonder if at least one of them was like, oh, you're in here for Futurama. Why don't you record an extra thing for this? The timing of it is just so weird. I definitely think when this first aired, I was like, wait, Parker Posey again? Futurama just had her this feels it loses some of the specialness when futurama and simpsons would have anything similar within the same season i guess she was going to be in best in show in 2000 but that's not a big movie it's a movie for comedy nerds it wasn't a failure or anything but it's not

like you know an action thriller or like a huge comedy yeah yeah like i don't even think it played in my city yeah yeah i didn't see it until vhs i i did see the next ones in theaters i think cuz best in show was a a little bigger of a hit but yeah i didn't see did not see that one in theaters what a funny movie though she's so she is perfect in that one too is like this detestable yuppie couple they're like where's the bee? Where's Busy Bee? The writer of the episode, Larry Doyle, named the character after his then wife. I think that was a joke on the commentary.

I think they're still married. At least according to Wikipedia, they're still married. So I was looking for that, too. The most I could see was like there was a 2008 article he wrote somewhere. I found that, too. And in there it said wife becky i'm like i a lot can happen in 12 years you know especially you're a hollywood writer like larry doyle poor richard pellen mona simpson oh that's so sad right yeah they were so

happy together uh yeah so this uh i don't know I maybe should have watched all of Hand That Rocks the Cradle, but I think I got the gist of it. But yeah, so the episode begins with a strange bit about how the kids are at the famously poor Springfield Elementary given video cameras. Well, they had to cut geography, right? Yeah, I do like that they have to lock up the globe so it can never spin again, or else geography will have been taught. I found it really on point because I feel like my school did stuff like that like we had this um cart of well we had computer lab at that time but then even a couple years later they had a cart of macbooks they would cart around to different classrooms but we like didn't have an

arts budget and my school also didn't have a gym like my middle school didn't have a gym and we had pe but we just had to go to class after pe in our sweaty pe clothes like we didn't have gym clothes um but we had this cart of macbooks so i was like yeah that sounds about right wow i couldn't imagine that one video camera because like there was like the tv on the cart the immortal tv strapped to the cart with the vcr often most of the time with the missing remote control uh yeah i i remember in projects like this in my 90s middle school was i'd be jealous of the couple of kids who could get a vhs uh camcorder from their parents and film stuff like you know these zoomers now they can all just like do a video project on their dang phones that they those dang phones they never look up from i

mean come on these kids today but i am jealous that they can just do like all these mixed media things i would have loved to have done create creatively in school instead of just writing a boring essay it's a very short scene with a weird blair witch joke in it but i i did make a blair witch parody with a video camera around this time so we were all doing it it was very easy to do just film your friend standing in the basement and you got it yeah that's right yeah I wonder I took that joke uh in the previous episode there was also a Blair Witch reference I I wonder if the Marge is buying part Blair Witch repel I feel like Skinner's anger about it it feels like a writer's room thing of like, no more Blair Witch jokes.

It's fucking tacky. We're tired of it. I think, I believe Pauly Shore was in a Blair Witch parody that year. Oh, God. We went over that in Talking Futurama. But I like this scene because like, the plot's been messy,

like especially Kill the Alligator and Run. This is just like one story and the beginning scene pays off in the end it does it's all for a video project that you forget about it's impressive how they tie it all together you don't i i don't expect it in this time of episodes that end with uh homer about to fall into lava and it cuts to betty white uh i don't expect that i've been re-watching old simpsons even like some of those early like season one season two episodes have like absolutely whack plots and so this was kind of like i've i'm still

in season two in my re-watch but i jumping up to this episode i was pleasantly surprised at the continuity of the plot i was like oh i forgot that that could happen okay cool also in this scene i forgot edna doesn't say anything and so it's just kind of distracting like why is it all right yeah i feel like there's a deleted scene or something but i was thinking too that like functionally while it is funny that skinner has to say these things like no blair witch and this globe will never spin again the scene functions the same if edna says all of these things and it's like yeah it's redundant what principal is giving class projects is what I I mean I know principal Skinner isn't exactly a

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season 11 deleted scenes which you'll be getting very soon on the patreon only if you're a ten dollar and up subscriber so please consider signing up today at patreon.com slash talking simpsons uh and so all the kids get video cameras uh but just in the fourth grade class then they're they we then cut to the school bus and all this school bus comedy and the use of the character Otto. Yeah, this is a sequel to The Otto Show. They forgot Otto was a person for eight years, and he's back with some humanity, actually. Yeah, it's so, as they say on the commentary for The Otto Show, they thought that he was their favorite character

and that they'd even do a spinoff with him. And after they did one Otto-focused episode, they completely turn on him as a character and they underwrite him from then on he's only used for like weed jokes yeah it's like if we got to do a weed joke auto will say it but that's pretty much it and it's funny like i can see why they stopped using him because probably harry sheer doesn't like doing the voice it's a very raspy voice but also he is one of the elements of the show that is like just reeks of 1989 like this character would not exist by like 1993 in in the real world right yeah and one also like i after redoing season one it reminded me that otto's original version the the original intent with the character was the guy that bart talks to at school. Hey, Bart dude. Yeah. Hey, Otto man. I want to do this thing.

Hey, that's funny. I do this. That's how those scenes go. I remember that quote. I've got that Burger King toy. Yeah, I want to do this toy. But that was Otto's function. And I looked it up on Frankie Yak.

I was trying to find like, when was the last time, because it happens in the scene, when was the last time? Cause it happens in the scene. When was the last time Bart talked to auto and it was just a Bart auto scene. The most recent, the one before this episode I could find in Frankie act was in the start of Lisa beauty queen. And it's just where Bart goes, Hey auto man, I dare you to make the spinning thing go faster. You got it.

And then he does it like that was the last time that i could find i can't remember another one after that in like season four onward but bart talks to auto like and it starts a scene i guess dos bus is named after auto's bus but he's gone from that episode yeah he's pulled away and he's i guess he's he's talking to so there are scenes where he talks to all the kids and say like, Hey, keep me down kids. I can't think to myself. And he's listening to music or whatever, but that's kind of it. Like, yeah.

But, uh, yes. And this scene auto kind of takes on his old capacity. Auto a red traffic light means what? No time for brain teasers. Today's the day I asked my girlfriend to take a ride on the matrimony pony. Otto's got a girlfriend. Otto's got a girlfriend. That's right, I do. I know you do, baby.

Otto, since when have you had a girlfriend? We met in the summer of love. Woodstock 99. Who's that? Who's that? Quick, I need some water. Summer of love. Woodstock 99. Quick, I need some water. Eight dollars. Not in this lifetime. Can we place that song in the background of Woodstock?

Oh, I sadly know what it is. Siri wasn't letting me know. There was not enough of it isolated. Yeah, well, unfortunately, I found a website that pointed pointed out and i confirmed it listening to it but it was limp biscuits show me what you got oh perfect for that uh immortal event yeah the summer of hate i mean let's let's talk about woodstock 99 in case you don't uh remember it kids uh let's talk about woodstock 95 uh that was the nice one yeah the mud was fun then but woodstock 99 a dark day in music honestly i think it really captures how angry people were that like just this for no reason for no reason it was 1999 uh it's crazy that all the shit that they that

they didn't know they had or that we didn't know we had. But I, you know, when I was 17, did I feel angry all the time and not know what to do with that feeling? Yes. Yeah, sure. But and then, of course, you listen to angry music that makes you feel better like that. I listened to Weezer. I mean, I did, too. Yeah.

But I wish I listened to less Limp Bizkit than I did. I got out clean of that era. I didn't touch the stuff. For some reason, I thought I was too good for Kid Rock, but not too good for Limp Bizkit. That's really a Boys Town, Crazy Town kind of thing. Well, look, by the time he put out the second album, the chocolate starfish and the hot dog flavored water that was

when i was done with too pure aisle for my taste maybe that was when it hit me like oh wait a minute what am i listening to well i should also say i was growing up in limp biscuits hometown of jacksonville so or we knew about it earlier than the rest of you folks in america it's true yeah so i mean i was on some cool aaron carter britney spear shit so i absolved myself i was not involved in the uh limp biscuit scene there is an animal crossing villager named biscuit and i won't let him into my town for this reason you gotta quarantine he's spelled the same i he's not allowed in my town i was being an annoying iconoclast listening to like new wave music and late 80s alternative i had no friends i had nothing in common with my peers well woodstock 99 was

right around the trl era where it was about the battle of like you know the limp biscuit like limp biscuit and britney spears would be on the same list together same of like uh christina aguilera all that stuff it uh it was a mix of things but i will tell you that for research purposes i i you guys listeners you owe me for what i did for you guys which is i watched the entire hour-long set that limp biscuit did in atwoodstock 99 and what did you get out of that um i mean it did really remind me of like, oh, this was an awful time. Like it was. So at Woodstock 99, you know, it was a multi-day event in a very hot place on like it was a retired Army or Navy base.

So they're all on hot tarmac the entire time. So you're just burnt. You're boiling there in this summer heat. Everybody is tired. The joke here with auto and the water, like the joke was the water bottles were overpriced. And some ATMs didn't work. So you couldn't get cash out to even pay for them and all that stuff. There were a bunch of performances going on. On one day, they have a lot of sports set.

And then next or soon after is limp biscuit and uh and fred durst is in the footage i watched he is being incredibly hectoring to the crowd and just pushing them and he's just like he says enough of this peace bullshit take that birkenstock and shove it up your ass we're gonna break stuff right i bet everybody's feeling pretty mad right now i want to see everybody go crazy like we're here to have fun he is taunting everybody into just anger and violence inciting a riot yeah and one especially like when he does break stuff it is like oh this is why everything got smashed. It really is. And then, of course, another disquieting thing about watching it now is that they film things

that are sexual assaults in the crowd that was just treated as normal then. And it's just a topless woman will be groped on camera by somebody she clearly doesn't know. And it's just disgusting. Yeah. It's just fucked up. Yeah.

Did they think they were going to have woodstocks every five years because there was 94 99 and then nothing and i was watching the 94 stuff and i'm sure it was a terrible time to be alive at that event but it seemed just like a big muddy fun time when people sliding in mud throwing mud at green day just mud mud mud i you know i do think it was that at 94, they had that mud stuff with a little chaos and that got played on MTV all the time. And so five years later, the next group of kids who went there, they're like, oh, is this how chaotic we are?

We got to up it to be on TV. Where's the mud? Did they actually have mud at 99? I remember it being muddy, but I could just be thinking of like the just horrible mud times of 94. Well, that's more ash. Yeah. Right, right right right so the fire joke

here with woodstock 99 is that after limp biscuit i i can't remember if it's even the same day it might have been the next day but following limp biscuit the the closers of woodstock 99 are red hot chili peppers and naturally um and in the audience the story i saw was that there was a group dedicated to like peace a peace demonstrators they wanted to during the uh under the bridge song they wanted to you know candles they wanted to show off candles and in a nice action and of course those candles were instantly taken and used to start a bunch of fires yeah and there was a bunch of fiery destruction as the show ended and like there's like huge fires in multiple places there and leading to a lot of like fucked up pictures of dudes in front of fires like breaking things so uh yeah i think it was that looked so bad it ended woodstock for from

that and given when that event happened and when this episode aired it was likely written like right afterwards for sure yeah well also it makes auto seem like twice as iconoclastic though being there or not fitting in because anachronistic is the word i went to say there it makes him twice as anachronistic because already as a headbanger he doesn't feel like the 90s but the thought of his 1989 ass uh listening to limp biscuit that makes him feel even more out of time and absolutely and there was an attempt to do a 50th anniversary of woodstock so that 99 was the 30th anniversary of woodstock. They tried to do it last year, but they couldn't sell enough tickets. Like there was a lack of interest.

But so there, now you understand the story of Woodstock 99. And, oh, and I did also like the little joke of seeing Lisa's nostrils in the camera thing. Like, yeah,

you forget they have nostrils, these characters. They, they, thing. Yeah, I forget they have nostrils, these characters. On the commentary, Stephen Dean Moore says, the animators had a long conversation, like, how do we do a nostril on a Simpson? And I like Nelson's Stop Hitting Yourself video, only because Milhouse just sits there as Nelson does the slate, like, stop hitting yourself take whatever

it does millhouse doesn't realize he's the star of it as nelson is saying that i like that yeah i like millhouse's like this might as well happen energy like just you know this is just my life i'm let's put it on film yeah and this uh derut restaurant, it's only appearance in the series. I guess there was no other schtick to it. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, it's a reference to what was called Der Wienerschnitzel one time, but now it's just Wienerschnitzel, which I think is still open. I think so.

And yes, this isn't tapped out because if it exists in the show, you can probably pay money to see it on your phone. Man, Der Crazy Kraut, isn't that also kind of, isn't that a little iffy as a word? I think so. Yeah. But Wienerschnitzel dropped Dirt out of their name in 1977. Though that again feels like a very 80s kind of headbanger thing of like, would the where would a dirtbag's girlfriend work at oh she'd work the drive-thru at der wienerschnitzel or like hot dog on a stick or whatever

i i read a thread on twitter the other day about how wienerschnitzel the actual food item has nothing to do with hot dogs and the guy who named wienerschnitzel was just like i guess he looked at his wife's cookbook and saw wienerschnitzel and he was like wiener that's one of the words i'm looking for and then went with that for the name and so they dropped the der from it but it's still like a nonsense uh name that's just my quickest side of weird knowledge i have about wiener schnitzel but i don't i don't think i've ever eaten in one of those whatever i don't think i've seen one i feel like in one of our hollywood in one of our talking simpsons goes to hollywood trips oh yeah they've got those like triangle buildings yeah i walked by one or two but it's also like uh well hey bob do you want to eat whatever is the

vegetarian option at the derwiener's i'd rather go to the libertarian hot dog store where they make fun of you for getting the weenie. Yes, yeah. I'll have a weenie. Berkeley's famous Libertarian hot dog shop. I hope that's closed down forever. Okay, so this is where we get to see our guest star in the episode. Otto heads over to propose to Becky.

Otto? Maggie, you're my rose. Will you let me be your thorn? Oh, Otto, of course my answer is... Wait, wait, wait, wait. This solo is kick-ass. Nice. Of course my answer is... Wait, wait, wait, wait. This solo is kick-ass. Honey, could you turn it down? Okay, but this better be worth it.

Yes, I will marry you. Cool. I also realize we've heard a lot about Otto's girlfriends. We've never seen them to date. Hey, Crystal, wake up. And also, one of the episodes, he's talking about going to see his girlfriend dance at the Topless Bar for like five minutes. Oh, yes. From 315 to 330 or whatever the line is.

Man, he's had a few girlfriends back then. Yeah. Though, also, like, we haven't heard much about his tattoos anymore he used to he used to have all those tattoos that's right the girlfriends again like uh he was on my butt like but this was where it really struck me how out of time otto is because it's like who listened to poison in 1999 like who would ever listen to that unless you were trying to be like oh i have an ironic thing to sing at uh karaoke yeah the answer is my dad seriously like in this exact period of time my dad has this mixed cd called monsters of rock and every rose has its thorn was one of the songs and that's the cd you listen to when we drove to my grandparents' house four hours away.

It also included Tears for Fears and Cherry Pie by Warrant. And so, you know, me, the answer is I was listening to Poison in 1999. I take it back. My mom loved these monster ballads. So I associate all of those with being in the car with her as a little kid. And like, I know so much of the Meatloaf bat out of hell album it's insane oh yeah okay so your your mom and my dad would get along yes that's funny you know my my mom did love meatloaf but that was the i think that was as far as she went with rock songs she liked because if it was

80s rock she just thought it was noise i think my my mom's a little slightly older than your guys is but uh she i listen to bad out of hell a million times but never these songs like they play this in front of a child this song isn't about baseball at all but uh but that poison uh that monsters of thing, I remember that commercial a million times. I'm like, Monsters of Rock. They taught us how to live. They taught us how to love. We're all just talking like, I don't know.

It's fun. It's fun. But Becky, because she is a 1999, like, 20-year-old, why would she ever like poison? She wouldn't give a shit about that. She'd be into like uh alt stuff you know yeah that's how she dresses too i mean oh man like the uh the overalls on top of like a midriff bearing shirt that's such a oh man 90s dream iconic iconic look uh yeah it's uh every when ladies could dress like mario and it was hot my mom wore overalls for like seven years they're

easy man i'd uh i you don't have to have them on those constraining belts it's nice i also i like auto giving her an engagement ring that like looks like a head shop find of just a skull and then also it's just in balled up paper instead of wrapped up in any way but you're right they found new utility for auto because his character is now an anachronism. So they're like, okay, now we can use Otto again because that makes him funny. He's out of time now. And it can be about how Becky doesn't like that.

And who would? And Poison got a big payday this week from the Simpsons. They used three of their songs, I believe. Or they just resumed the second use of the song that comes here is brett michaels from poison that is brett michael yeah they wanted him to be on the show in the poison cover band but he didn't want to do it i could see he'd be like that's uh he could

think that's a little bit mean i'll take your money it's funny how the commentary uh yeah they scully mentions that his daughters were watching the brett michaels like reality show rock of love i think so yeah with his uh and that's where we all learn that brett michaels even during the act of love will keep that headband on he's not taking that scarf even in surgery he keeps it on right No, he had a health scare. I forgot about that. So, yes, Becky said yes. It's cute how all the kids are excited for it, too. I like that.

And, oh, yeah, Stephen Dean Moore, he shouts out to storyboarder John Achenbach, as he is a professional, or he is a guitar player as well, and he tried to make sure that Otto's air guitar is as accurate as possible to that guitar solo so they're going above and beyond there that's uh on the animator side oh that's awesome i also i love the visual of the um bus stop signs flapping like an excitement oh yeah i guess one of the kids must be doing that because Otto's leaning out of the door, so he can't be doing it. Yeah. Or the bus has a mind of its own.

Who knows? It's a magic bus. Yeah. And so then it cuts back to Marge and Homer. Okay. So who, after seeing aliens, did this at least with like a pen or something? It's like five-finger filet is what it's called or whatever. Something like that. Maybe four fingers.

Does the thumb count? I don't know. Well, for Simpsons, it's called or whatever something like that maybe four fingers there's a thumb count i don't know well for simpsons it's four fingers i think it's called i know it's called five finger filet in red dead redemption but i i've heard just the knife game i feel like it has a lot of different names but yeah it would have to be in the simpson real heads call it the knife game i just knew it from aliens because it's so cool when bishop's doing it an alien and then he puts his hand on top of the other guys and starts doing it like i think i did it in school when i was bored but i would never come down that hard because i'm like i'm gonna poke my

poor little fingers uh i mean yeah i do it with a pencil or a pen obviously not with a knife but i think i would like i'd go faster and faster until i'd eventually smash my finger with my pen and uh you know not that hard well now you can do it in a video game so yeah it's actually a mini game in in i think the original red dead redemption as well as the second one it was also in the adventure game full throttle back in the 90s you could play it there too i i really like on the commentary the writers make a funny pronouncement that homer does a lot of crazy stuff in this episode because he's not the star and he's trying to pull focus from marge he gets injured a lot in this first act there's blood and like pieces of flesh missing from him later i forgot how much he bleeds like it's a shot honestly a shocking amount

of blood they did on tv uh but yes as homer's doing that marge gets the mail uh she opens up an invite to otto's wedding uh there's a joke i uh did not get as a youngster about rolling papers yep uh the invitations are printed on rolling papers apparently a zigzag which is still a brand you can still buy zigzag rolling papers for your doobies i still see them like in convenience stores oh really yeah okay that's uh though i mean in in the legal state of california we have so many other you know advanced ways it feels feels too old school to roll it up well i mean i also i never like smoking i may do edibles once every two years and get freaked out kind of guy i will say it's not a very efficient way to smoke weed that but that's my problem with it.

Yeah. I don't know a whole lot about rolling papers. I just, I get real anxious. So that's, I'm just like, I'm, I'm okay.

So I'm glad to understand the joke. That's nice. I was very confused watching this earlier. It's funny to put the words zigzag. This episode is all about making Marge say crazy things. That's true and also letting the uh this get having a joke about zigzag rolling papers in your show in 2000 that's your wink to stoner culture like hey i get it i i've now had all i can stand of stoner

culture and i don't particularly care to hear more of it i uh but i guess that's because maybe it's partially because i live in a state where it's just legal now yeah and in berkeley as well yes yeah yeah honestly after working as a cashier in berkeley i had had quite enough of stoner culture and stoned people for the rest of my life but yeah so marge finds out that the invitation is to the wedding at their home and uh that she finds out that bart as he's done so many times invited on their behalf a person to their house i i this is a weird logic thing but it's like where was becky living before yeah it's weird that she suddenly has to live with the simpsons like were they had they buy a house together they're going to move

into after they got married or what? Yeah. Well, you'd also think that if her and Otto lived together, that place would have been in her name, not Otto's. Because Otto couldn't sign a lease anymore. Ultimately, it doesn't matter, but I just found it odd. I didn't, that didn't even occur to me. I was just like, yeah, when your wedding goes bad, you stay with the Simpsons. I didn't even think about that. I was like, maybe she lives in the bus i don't know uh that's that must be where auto keeps his mustard no sorry i'm tipping far ahead of the story but no no you're right this already sets up the like wait yeah it is do they live together but uh well speaking of things that uh

break continuity apparently this entire last two seasons of the show the backyard has been full of apu's wedding decorations and an elephant bart has had his elephant of his dreams for these two years uh which obviously doesn't work in continuity because we have seen the backyard many times since apu's wedding but it's a great joke it's a nice nice wink to, yeah, we're doing this again. The props are still there. We did just do a wedding in their backyard. We don't care. We're doing it one more time. This is where I guess it must have been either in this show or some other comedy where I learned the don't do rice at weddings anymore thing.

Which is a perfect excuse to hear that bird violence jingle. Everybody hates birds, right? Another joke at the expense of birds. But yeah, like when my mom got remarried in 91, I threw rice, but that was the last time rice has ever been thrown in front of me. So I guess it's still bird seed is what you throw now, if you throw anything. I don't think, I forget what you actually actually throw but it's something that like dissipates uh it's like it's like a more harmless uh item you throw i haven't thrown anything at a wedding that i've been to i hope that this didn't jokes like these i hope didn't inform a lot of barts of the world about how to kill birds but i i sadly think it probably has uh but i i love the parts like

you're just telling me now apparently people throw uh lots of things instead of rice things like paper airplanes and dried herbs and bubbles or coconut shavings oh bubbles that i'd want bubbles that's fun i like the bubbles i've seen sparkler exits where you have sparklers and hold them up. Oh, that's fun. That's nice. Yeah. Biodegradable confetti. Oh. Oh, that's good, too. I like that. The bird seed one, at least you're also feeding birds through the action of doing it. So it's nice in that way.

Before my wedding got canceled in April, we were going to get married inside of a an aviary so no rice in there that's right yeah or i think there was also a warning of uh i was i was definitely told not to bring avocados or anything don't sneak those across the border i didn't realize those were now i'm telling people how to poison birds with avocados i'm not meaning to do that but but yeah so as the wedding begins i also in my third watch of it that's when i paused it to note all the guests and like sober barney is there but they don't do any jokes with it but i do see him talking to bernice hibbert right they must be sober buddies now i think so that that looks like a background touch to me that was intentional and i love the return the grand

return of patty and selma who are just i think they're really just forgotten about in the scully years i love them so much as characters so it's good to see them come back i think they come back a lot more in the gene years because he used them a lot more in his seasons so i welcome their return here yeah it's kind of ups and downs for patty and selma because we remember like they were used so much in the first four years but then merkin didn't use them that much except for in the uh the homer iou episode with them yeah i think that's the only big one for them they're they're big about like boring humor those characters and i think that's why oakley and weinstein like them too oh god yeah i mean listen to our live show we did with with

bill oakley where he talks about how happy he was to to bring back patty and selma in such a big way uh but yeah i think they appear here for this one-off joke also just to indicate that like they're going to appear later for an important plot point so may as well set them up earlier and i like too that they're wearing black to a wedding like that's great yeah it's a cruel thing to do honestly it's not remarked upon in any way either but yes uh the wedding guests are all chatting it up here son your mother and i don't approve of this marriage as we have not approved of any part of your life to date well the important thing is you came. We're leaving. Drive safe. Always a bridesmaid. Only occasionally a bride.

Lisa, it's time you learned the truth about men. They're pigs? The bitterness is strong in this one. So, any words for the bride and groom? Not now, Bart. I'm trying to urinate. You don't seem to be trying very hard. It's very weird, Bart, filming Skinner in the bathroom.

That's an odd moment there. What is this project going to be about? I don't know. I feel like Skinner should just put it away and slam the door. Like, that's all you got to do. It's also funny just to see Skinner in the kids' bathroom to pee because that is the only guest bathroom they have. I've never seen an adult urinate to see skinner in the kids bathroom to pee because that is the only guest room guest bathroom they have never seen an adult urinate in that room yet in the series

history so this is a precedent but what i like about this scene is after faith off's astounding lack of respect for continuity by making bobby peterson the hip dean into an old man this remembers the line from the auto show the admiral and i don't get along that's when march says why don't you go back and live with your parents he says the admiral and i don't get along that's when march says why don't you go back and live with your parents he says the admiral and i don't get along so we took eight years but we met the admiral that's so great yeah that's so great and then he's like he could have been any guy in a suit just a mean dad but that he is fully dressed up to be the admiral and and i love too that it shows that auto that line in the auto show implies they have a bad relationship but in this moment here it's like it seems entirely one-sided yeah his

parents hate him in every choice he makes but auto's like thanks for coming more importantly we're leaving yeah i love it we're leaving drive safe like that's that's great yeah and and also the design on the mom i really liked her too because the admiral doesn't look like him but the mom does so you can see like oh he favors his mom in the looks too i i i noticed on the commentary it was george meyer who was like really excited that the admiral was there i wondered if it was that you know when they thought they'd do an auto spin-off if they if he was part of the group saying like oh yeah and his dad's an admiral and they all pitched it out and this is the most they ever did with it i it took eight years though

and that finally paid off that line i was howling as an 18 year old watching this and i also love the animation of patty and selma kind of like this uh void consuming lisa with their negativity like she's crushed between them and her hand is trying to pull out and she can't i like that and also continuity they remember selma's been married multiple times as well so that's great they're making up for their faith off blunder i yeah i do like the the patty and selma interaction with lisa a lot just because i don't know i i like that lisa is clearly uncomfortable but also it's kind of an on-brand conversation for lisa so i don't know as a as a young when i was like a young feminist there

were definitely things where i was like oh i don't know if i would go that far um and i get that vibe from lisa so i i appreciated that a lot patty and selma are giving her permission to be that negative towards men they're encouraging it i and uh yeah that only occasionally a bride line that's great too because patty and selma normally would just be like they're the spinsters who hate being at weddings but they have to recognize that they already parlayed that into like selma's want to be married has already been used in so many plots where it is like wow selma gets married that now they have to just go like yeah she's been married a lot of times patty's

former flame seymour skinner is there at the wedding that must be awkward that has to be yeah he's there with edna they should uh i mean by this point i think patty knows herself well enough and is has uh put down skinner as a a flight of heterosexuality that is long past that lingering threat has snapped that's right so yes as everybody's preparing for the wedding we have a cute little like homer is james bond scene of trying to steal the cake or successfully stealing the cake i like that lisa tells them like you you can't cut bond scene of trying to steal the cake or successfully stealing the cake i like that lisa tells them like you you can't cut that it's it's for the bride and groom that's just a superstition i like the reality of a cake they could just suck the filling out of a cake

yes yeah homer ate 90 of a wedding cake through suckage in a matter of seconds uh but i love that it's like they give it a james bond music because it is supposed to look like oh q would have given him a thing like this looks like a cigarette case but actually it's a tube for eating cake it's a cake sucker cake sucker the image of the deflated cake has stuck with me too like that's that's something that i think about occasionally just like yeah i don't know it's just funny to me of all the ways to destroy a wedding cake deflation is not one of them i like that i really enjoy homer's comments of that's just a superstition when lisa goes dad the bride and groom cut the wedding cake and i love that lisa has to take a knife away from her

father it's an eight-year-old girl who's like you can't have this knife uh but yes after homer eats some cake we then cut to becky and marge which uh begins the relationship central to this episode and you know there's a lot of nagging wife jokes with marge in this one but at least it gives her something to do i guess compared to other episodes also in this next clip i really like the generational divide between becky and marge i i like that becky you look beautiful i thought you might want to see this bridal magazine it's got 900 tips for the perfect marriage all don'ts i will be fine i just got a clean police record and he doesn't do any needle drugs. Well, the real key, according to sexperts, is mutual interest. No prob. We like all the same things. Except... Don't tell Otto, but I'm not into heavy metal and he loves it.

He refers to our lovemaking as the headbanger's ball. Oh, you can fix little defects like that with gentle nagging. Make it part of the background noise of your relationship. That's how I polished Homer into the perfect Homer. No, that's ice! That's a painful sound effect. There's like a piece of tongue stuck to the ice sculpture too when he leaves the scene. Which he just walks away smiling from.

I did completely forget this episode features homer ripping off like 20 of his tongue it's pretty insane and uh marge is excited yes when she she sees a weakness because i get you right generational she thinks like a marriage should be adversarial yeah yeah she's she doesn't understand how becky and and otto were so happy together though i think you're seeing becky's low standards come out with when she says like, doesn't use any needle drugs. Like that's good enough for her. Yeah.

I love that because I think like a lot of people have had a female friend say something like, oh my God, he's so great. He like, he texts me back on time. He takes out the trash. Like I'm so excited about him. And it's like, really? He takes out the trash. Like, that's amazing. and it's like really he takes out the trash like that's amazing so i i liked the little thing about needle drugs specifically as a as a bar

or you'll like see a facebook update like my hubby loaded the dishwasher i'm spoiled it's like he lives there yeah i i also love marge's presentation of that guide that's like all don'ts like that that it shows the magazine she's reading or also just telling women everything you do wrong or just like don't do this don't do that obsessive bride from the publishers of fretful mother i'm guessing oh yeah i get i bet they see you like well once they're done with obsessive bride then they graduate uh fretful mother uh but uh but yeah it totally makes sense that becky would not like heavy metal but this i feel like uh marge is at least correct in saying like well you don't have to all you don't have to like all the same things in a relationship like it and becky shouldn't feel like she can't say

that but i guess when it is otto's main reason for living i can see why she didn't want to say that yeah and also like the thing he used to propose to her like everything about their relationship seems to be a round of heavy metal which is so like i don't know what their other common interests even are at this point though i mean ferrara's case maybe he just assumed she was into it because she was at woodstock 99 like there's there's no explanation why she was there other than uh i mean probably a friend maybe a friend took her there's other kinds of music there yeah yeah it's weirder that auto was there to be fair right yeah that's true uh. And also talk about anachronisms.

Bring up Headbangers Ball. I checked. That ended in 1995. Wow. It had been over for four years, which if you don't know Headbangers Ball, that was the... It's pretty simple. Just for two hours, MTV played heavy metal music videos, and they called it that. The Matt Pinfield program?

No, that was 120 Minutes. Oh, I thought so. Okay. I think that was 120 minutes oh i thought so okay i think that was the ricky rackman one was headbangers ball but uh that was uh 120 minutes also to our program that's right yeah that now that was the one see they gave two flavors if you were a headbanger you'd watch that if you were a soft boy you watched 120 minutes and bought the cd of all the songs on it like i did that beer to bees one oh everybody had that one if you were almost 40 you had that one uh but marge's line of like you can fix that

with gentle nagging like that's also a real window into the character they're writing with marge yeah so the background noise of your relationship is just nagging yeah uh and i i do like though the the pure denial marge always has of just like and that's how i fixed homer and then it cuts to homer being completely unfixed and a monster he's a changed man lisa a change oh yeah yeah that's a great one that's one of the best ones of those it's time for the uh the ceremony have a little joke about honorariums and emuluments emulments we've heard that a lot in the trump era because it's all the emulments clause we're gonna get old donnie with

that clause in the hatch act yeah oh god we're gonna spring a hatch act trap on him the day before he leaves office you know uh you know i did uh I got married at the courthouse. I didn't pay nothing to that guy. I probably should have. Honestly, I think back to it now. It was just such a crazy day. I wasn't thinking of anything. I probably should have just given that guy like 20 bucks as a thank you.

Like, hey, thanks for doing that. Just put it right in his pocket and stuff it in there and pat it. That's for you. But that guy was nice. You remember him. I was there. I was a witness. It was the first time I witnessed anything officially.

But I certainly didn't bring a poison tribute band to my wedding. And we didn't even sing poison at the karaoke that night. But yes, the tribute band appears. For a second, they're drawn to look like regular poison. But yes, that is when it's a step too far for Becky. You got poison to play at our wedding? We're cyanide, a loving tribute to poison. We need a ride home!

You expect me to walk down the aisle to a monster ballad? Let me talk to Otto. That's okay. I guess this is sort of... our song. Well, it doesn't have to Otto. That's okay. I guess this is sort of... our song. Well, it doesn't have to be. Otto's just going to have to decide

what's more important, his heavy metal or you. Becky, what have I done here? I'm so sorry. In about 15 minutes, I take off that wedding dress or you're going to look crazy. I always think of that joke, and I don't know if I'm being mean-spirited, but if someone has their wedding picture as their Facebook profile pic for too long,

I'm like, your son looked a little crazy. You've had no better day than this. That's only if it's like three years after their wedding i'm just like looking at my watch like that was in 2016 i feel like with those folks they would have had a kid and then they graduate to like a baby picture or something at that point but that song that sign i was playing was poisons nothing but a good time from 1988 i looked at the lyrics and it's weirdly like about like a working joe just trying to have a fun time with his gal on a Saturday night. I was not expecting a working class ballad from Poison.

Yeah, from a hair from the primpiest of hair metal bands. That's crazy. I've never I never looked at those lyrics. I liked in the every rose has its thorn bit that Otto misunderstands the metaphor. And he's like, you're my my rose can I be your thorn it's like that's not what that's not what every rose has a thorn that's not what the saying is about I I also really like the uh another credit to the animation team under Stephen Deedmore is the I like the layout of Marge saying he's gonna have to choose between his heavy metal or Becky and the way it

goes from like heavy metal on one side and it pans over to becky to lay it out more as a either or a kind of choice i i like that posing a lot and uh and yeah they just uh auto is pretty awful just driving like oh yeah fuck you i'm leaving with in my school bus with the heavy metal with the poison tribute band and we're just gonna party he's off to being a joke character once again yeah to have one line every time somebody smokes weed or something i just i like how like marge immediately blames her like it it all becomes marge's fault even though that there was a problem in their relationship and then marge posing the question of the ultimatum has then ruined everything um instantly which i i don't understand but i i'm i'm here for it i guess yeah

i guess it's the becky even becky in a very sad girlfriend or fiance way of going like no i guess it is our song like that's her her giving up. And Marge did the right thing. She's seeing like, oh, this is a very unhappy start to a marriage. I have to end this right now or give an ultimatum. I guess Marge, as Homer will say, she butted her head into somebody else's relationship. But it did help them. Or it helped Becky in the end. Unfortunately, Becky's job, I think, was dating a poo.

So she's got to find a place to live now. Or Otto, you said. Oh, sorry, Otto. Sorry, two syllable names. In a wedding thing as well that just happened. Yeah, that's what confused me. The elephants. I like too that then Bart offers Becky to stay there as well.

Just doing it again. Just offering up their place. When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs weird i don't remember saying that part visit dejaden.com care and get insurance that's really big on care did i mention that we care again winking at the idea like we have so many people just crashing with us including auto it was auto's turn last time so in the sequel to otto show his uh his ex-fiance lives with them i love homer's pronouncement

too like it's settled the stranger will stay with us and it's a lot like the otto show and that you can see how he interacts with the kids you know or she does in her own way uh i also uh homer's homer's so mean with his it's better now than when you're too old and fat to get another man like oh it's uh though homer scolds marge of like oh you're wrecking weddings and it's like no homer has wrecked way more weddings in marge like he almost ruins the apu wedding with his uh distasteful dressing up as the god ganesh uh he actually should have by failing to ruin selma and troy's wedding he actually did ruin their wedding by not revealing that it was a sham and uh in the future you know he kind of ruined his wedding and that uh fictional wedding

and then he also destroyed the cake we must not forget so he did play a part in it you're supposed to make homer a separate cake to ruin march should know this by now destroyed the cake we must not forget so you did play a part in it you're actually you did ruin you're supposed to make homer a separate cake to ruin march should know this by now actually you know march saved them even more disappointment because already becky would have been heartbroken that she she gave up and let otto surprise her with a poison tribute band playing her down the aisle and then what happens after that they try to cut the cake and it's a pile of frosting there are a lot of questions like why are we getting married in the backyard of a boy who you drive to school yes also uh oh and also like a day after the proposal presumably it happens at least within the same week i think at the very least like auto had time

to send out invitations to people so at least a couple days have passed but not too long yeah uh oh and I forgot to it's uh so funny Mo stealing presents and getting the shrimp carefully laid in his mouth uh that's so so great Matt head to tail he fit in more more of that. Stealing the ring cushion too. Yes. The softest pillow he owns now. And the eight presents he bought. I love that. But just how, I love the pacing of it. How long we have to watch Lisa place shrimp into his mouth.

And then him say like, there's a sauce in there too. And just the pouring of sauce. It's so weird. But I love it. I love how awkward it is. Yeah. But yeah, so she's moved in and uh she's already fitting in as homer uh tries to change the oil and cover david bowie changes time to change

the oil changes don't want to be an oily man a man innocently changes his oil when a two-ton car comes crashing down. Crashing down. Who'd have thought you could hold up a car with a wicker basket? That's good. And I accidentally activated a deleted scene on the DVD where Homer says, I saved $19.95 and no waste disposal fee. And he throws the bucket of oil into a bird bath where it coats birds and their bath.

So more bird violence in this episode. That's right. They cut other bird violence. Maybe they cut it because it wasn't violent enough. It's just, it's oil hitting birds. You don't see them die. Yeah.

We need to see some bird death. And, but it's classic Homer to like, eh, throwing something into ned's lawn like fuck ned kind of joke uh and he's still he's still in mourning homer give him a break i like homer singing the changes parody yeah that was good oh yeah i love that there are more fun made-up lyrics if you listen over the dialogue of bart oh i should listen closer i was so distracted by here by bart

crying to murder homer like for for comedy's sake i guess bart has seen homer survive worse yeah the wicker basket is a great reveal yeah uh that's great and and just the way nancy says wicker basket is it's funny to me too yeah i like that joke that's there's there's some good ones in this episode for sure and uh so you see becky and marge having a nice time making dinner together and you're right she is dressed like mario yeah for the rest of the episode uh though mario's never shown that much midriff that's true and uh in my dreams he would but not yet hey hey what about shirtless mario okay sure yes yeah mario mario oh yeah mario has no nipples right uh well that's a big Hey, what about shirtless Mario? Okay, sure. Yes. Yeah. Mario. Mario.

Oh, yeah. Mario has no nipples, right? Well, yeah. In Odyssey, he does. In some games, he doesn't have nipples. But in Odyssey, you have to pause the screen and look real close. But I've seen him. I've looked close to his nipples. Just more continuity issues all across the board.

But yes, they're cooking together and uh i like you can see becky is taking the skins off the potatoes but putting them in the same bowl she's gonna mash them up in so that's uh her secret right there and we have to remember i'm not sure at which point becky went to the hardware store but up to a certain point she was planning on killing marge and uh burying her right you know i think she was planning to kill marge up until she takes them out to ice cream later because that's when she does have a new apartment so i think that's when she gave up on usurping her i think before the ice cream parlor they did go to the hardware store and that's when she couldn't decide and she's like all right you

know what i'm just gonna go with plan b new apartment gonna buy y'all ice cream sorry it was shovels she was buying right not hammers yeah that's right uh but yes marge and becky are cooking together and at first it all seems to be going well lisa's going through this phase where she doesn't eat any meat so i usually sneak a little meat juice into her vegetables wow you're a real-life Martha Stewart. I mean, without the evil. May I? Mmm, yummers. Nobody's ever called my gravy yummers before. Mmm. You know what would be really nuts? A little rosemary. Ooh, I've always wanted to use rosemary in something.

Mmm. Mmm. Mom, this gravy tastes better than God's sweat. Thanks, girl. Space girl. Becky. Well, Mom, you really brought out the mung in these beans. Actually, that was Becky, too.

What are these things in the mashed potatoes? That's the skins. I left them on. Well, nobody's perfect. Let me just pick those out. No! Becky, your potatoes are the best I've ever had. Oh, God.

Dan's extra bit there. Oh, God. Yeah, he really is digging into the excitement at Becky's food, seemingly not knowing how it could be read as insulting to Marge. I got to say, though, I turned on Marge in this bit here because it's actually pretty awful to secretly feed animal products to a vegetarian yeah especially if it's i don't think it's for religious reasons for lisa but it's still vile yeah people i agree i don't like that people on the internet hated it back in the day too they're like that's a real evil act of

marge yeah it's well and also her calling it a phase like that that in general kind of mom thinking towards a kid doing anything they disagree with and calling it a phase is like that also has a lot of negative connotation yeah and just tampering with someone's food in general i mean i i didn't eat meat for a really really long time um and i basically just made my own meals because like my parents my parents were just like, I don't know what, like I was so picky. They didn't know what to do with me. So who knows?

They definitely would not have stooped so low as to sneak meat juice into my food though. I feel like it's also like you're supposed to think it's funny that Marge is doing that because we also just did the Poplar's episode of Futurama where it was like really just vegetarian bashing it's true yeah it's uh it was the time to hate 2001's time to eat vegetarians and martha stewart as well if every uh business criminal went to jail for what martha stewart went to jail for there'd be no business

it'd just be like uh just no businesses at all could run at all yeah i feel like the i mean obviously as uh as a lefty type dude i'm not like this rich person shouldn't go to jail for a business crime but you're right bob these this is martha stewart was really singled out for a thing that is not used against pretty much any other rich person what one famous people one famous person goes to jail every 20 years to be so they could be like, see, see, that's justice. Bernie Madoff was the last one. Who's the next one? Who's the next single one it happens to?

But calling Martha Stewart evil in 2000, that was just like, that's just dudes complaining about their wives' favorite person. Like, that's all it was. I hesitate to be like, I wonder why it was Martha Stewart specifically that this happened i wonder why it was martha stewart specifically that this happened to was it the sexism but i do think there's an element of that in i mean yes she is a criminal but there's an element of sexism in the criticism of martha stewart or the narrative around martha

stewart for sure yeah and a lot of it was like oh she thinks she's a little miss perfect doesn't she yeah people just don't like that that she seems too perfect or she she has too many wonderful home plans or also like oh yeah she lives in like a giant mansion like every fucking rich person does but yeah i just want to shout out the i've always wanted to use rosemary and something joke that's my personal favorite joke of the episode i don't know exactly why i like it i just love that that is it like too fancy for marge is she is she like not accustomed to improvising in recipes i don't know i love that that's like the most delightful thing she's ever heard well you know she's never heard of oregano either rosemary must be one of

her four spices like salt and pepper i i love that marge is so i read it yeah i like that line because i read it as marge is so boring that she's even owned like she's bought some rosemary at the store before but she's never had the guts to use it one of these days that's uh i there's also a weird moment on the commentary where matt selman's just like i wish my wife made mashed potatoes and gravy she doesn't make any for me you know that's not the first time he's complained about his wife on a commentary yeah there's a lot of i have a feeling matt selman thinks his wife doesn't listen to commentary i think so uh and i really like marge's like kind of mom joke of saying our own spice girl like that's cute i

like that uh but yes then we uh the bloom starts to fall off the rose uh becky for marge uh i definitely when she's doing the kung fu with bart i love marge's reaction of like stop kicking my baby uh but i feel like her being good at kung fu is a very buffy kind of thing and which fits in with her like kind of sarah michelle galar look to her as well yeah there is like an element of buffy i mean even toward the end of the episode too like oh yeah just kind of this whole vibe with her that i mean you know the thing that cut like the more perfect becky gets the more i'm like why was she with ot Otto in the first place? Like, she's so amazing and everyone loves her.

Why did she settle for Otto? I think just terrible self-esteem. I think so, yeah. That's why. Been there. I think that's, too, why she puts up with the heavy metal, right? Yeah, the men of Springfield, there's not a lot to choose from, I guess. So, you know, she went with the one she had the most in common with.

There was no other like 20 something year old man in the entire town. Yeah, that's also as the creators of Mission Hill were inspired by. Other than Otto, there is no person between the ages of 18 and 30 that you can write jokes about on The Simpsons. I like how helpful she is, but these miscommunications are pretty silly, especially like how close she gets with her kicks to Marge. She's like, no, I have awesome control. Again, she's still planning to kill Marge

and steal the family. I think, you know, when you think of that, it makes sense that Marge tells her to stop and then Becky kind of pauses and then keeps kicking in her face. Like that's a jerk move on Becky's part. But there's a little thread they don't really, I wish they'd, if I could add one line to this, it should be in this act, Marge should say,

is you think Becky's mad at me for ruining her wedding or something? Like, yeah, you forget about that entirely. Yeah. That should at least lead marge to like if you're trying to figure out why marge would start to suspect becky she should also say like well yeah and she hates me because i ruined her wedding yeah play up the motive more you're right right because she i mean patty and some will plant that seed but there is an actual reason for becky to dislike march Besides wanting to get Homer in bed.

But yes, first a real quick clip of Marge getting sick of Becky. We're jamming, Mom. She's painting my music and I'm playing to her painting. Isn't it wonderful to have a hip female influence in the house? Yes. Well, I guess I'll go roll socks. It's not hip, but it has to be done actually you could just tie them at the ends that way the elastic doesn't wear out yes i hate when things get worn

out socks welcomes oh that's uh that's as like passive aggressive as march has ever been on the show i think yeah uh though i'm gonna you know what i'm listening to becky i i used to roll i still was rolling my socks i need to start tying them up i i've graduated to putting one sock inside the other sock oh they're always organized as a pair yeah i did for a while do the tying at the ends because it was better for the socks. You know, now I own, I have bought the same pairs of socks so many times that I don't run out of any of them. That's my plan with socks. I just buy the same dozen, a new dozen every year. And yeah, I also like how Marge is feeling kind of threatened here of just like, Lisa, by calling Becky a hip female influence is, you know, telling Marge you're a musty old lady.

Yeah, with nothing to teach me. And so yes, Marge heads off to her sisters. They pointed out in the commentary, it's a really, it is a more good posing. Marge is like placed in between them so they're both kind of like bombarding her with questions and fears to to push her farther and i do think the sisters really come off as the type of people who watch all these types of movies and believe them to be just real life and like oh yeah that's what happens all the time it doesn't really uh play out in the scene for any reason but i like that they're having their nice like long island iced teas while they're talking to marge oh yeah for no reason they're not

like drunk or anything they're just like we're all relaxing and having like lady time together yeah what do women drink when they hang out long island iced teas yeah that's a ticket i love the long island iced tea because that's one of marge's demons also oh yeah uh that'll cause a lot of problems in the in the next season yeah though yeah i feel like these jokes here i say this a lot when i say something reminds me of something critical it's also in that the movies they're referencing are all like early 90s movies not late 90s movies that's true yeah uh and i feel like now these jokes would be replaced with just like watching dateline or other true crime tv things. Like, oh, well, you remember that one story on true crime TV about like the husband who murdered his wife with a pickaxe or whatever. But but here it's about Patty and Selma warning Marge via movies.

She's so helpful and everyone loves her. And well, this may sound crazy, but I think my family likes Becky more than me. I wouldn't worry about that. Really? Yeah. You're going to be dead in a week anyway. Dead in a week? What are you talking about?

Look, honey, never let an attractive woman into your house. All they ever do is usurp your family and then kill you. Like that documentary, The that rocks the cradle that was a movie look all we know is she's going to shoot you or stab you or boil you or club you with an antique wooden doll oh yeah yeah that was a good one oh but first she's going to seduce your husband becky's going to seduce homer it's an act of violence not love it's uh is the wooden doll thing from the hand that rocks the cradle i look that up i don't think so is the boil you thing from like fatal attraction or something that's what i think that's from yeah i i experts on 90s anxiety women anxiety movies

please tell me uh where that clubbing doll is from because i i looked up plot synopsis synopses of like that and single white female like those aren't in there so uh unless there's a scene i missed in uh hand the rocks a cradle but tell if you listeners let me know in the comments where that wooden doll clubbing is from it's it's interesting because the format of the format of that joke like you said is like it could easily have been dateline or like you know it very well could have just been we saw a couple of episodes of stories of somebody getting murdered and this is how it was done but they went with the movie which is an interesting choice for sure that again it

feels like the aljean kind of thing like and uh did you see this deleted scene bob no i didn't see that other one uh so this is the only other big deleted scene in it it's that marge they stay with patty and selma for just a little bit longer where they tell marge i think in another reference to a movie they tell marge to make sure to drown her and hold her underwater for five minutes oh that's fatal attraction okay yes yeah so in it because uh they instruct her but if you don't know the reference to fatal attraction then it's a more grim scene of just like this is them telling march how to effectively drown a person and then it cuts to marge coming home and she sees that everybody is smiling and happy as becky teaches maggie how to play the

piano and it's playing like scary philip glass kind of dun dun dun dun so i think that is another direct hand that rocks a cradle reference so those those are the two little cut bits there then we get a very visual scene of marge marge being scared by becky at night returning the hair dryer which the silhouette looks like a handgun yeah it also cocks like a gun too i love that uh and and then the hairbrush looks like a knife don't lend someone your hair brush it's too intimate yeah honestly like and it's gonna be full of blue hair that mixes in with her blonde hair like it's dangerous i also love just the act of trying to return a hair dryer and hairbrush like presumably in the middle of the night yeah

but all the lights are off and you're like hey here you go like it doesn't make like like did she do that because she was trying to scope out the place is she still trying to hatch her murder plot at this point like i think so it's just a bizarre i mean honestly it's such a big cheat at the end i don't think we're ever supposed to think that yeah i think like she's just innocent for the entire thing but uh yeah i i like thinking about it in that lens though like what if she is plotting this whole time right and i guess why they put that line into the end because otherwise Marge is actually kind of mentally unbalanced. And so by putting that in there, it's like, oh, then I guess Marge wasn't seeing things like here.

But here she is seeing things like I also another little animation bit. I only notice this time is when she shake trying to shake Homer awake to see this. Like it's posed like she would be pulling on his shirt, but she's pulling on his gut. Like on his stomach flab. And pulling it like it's a piece of fabric. That's funny too. Marge heads off to the grocery store. She's looking

very worried. She has to get some semolina flour which is used to make couscous. So I guess I would just buy it fresh off the rack i wouldn't go to the trouble of making it same that's a lot of work just to make couscous a lot of work and i also love like becky uh if again if you think of this as sinister becky uh her saying like you can learn a lot from your kids if you just listen to them like that is a

dick move by her to say that i feel like becky is being passive-aggressive because uh that you know wearing out your welcome thing that march said i feel like she's they're trading barbs at this point it's true yeah but she keeps a smile on her face uh which makes her look innocent and the mom evil which is again what happened a lot in those clips from hand that rocks the cradle i watched and i love i do really like the joke it's maybe my favorite like dialogue joke that i didn't get a clip for in here but having march say like ah do you think of the best comeback after you leave shut up becky shut up becky is the quote of the episode yeah shut up becky uh and so marge as she's driving it turns out that she can't hit the brakes.

She sees the brakes cut light comes on. I love that too. And we find another variant of the classic men carrying pane of glass through a chase scene in that the glass is indestructible. And they go, wow, tough glass. Just gets flattened down on the ground and then they pick it right back up. I'm excited to see any new variant on this joke man what else can you do with it now well there was the one where the men just throw it in the dumpster after they avoid uh yeah there's been at least one more in the show uh and uh yeah then there's a joke of the world's largest speed bump and seemingly to set up the

march is going to be launched off of it instead she crashes right through it uh that's a good little one uh and so then in the next scene we get a spin on a scene that also is in all these types of movies also like cape fear and i mean the movie cape fear not the uh the simpsons episode called the same thing where a cop says they can't do anything which i feel like that was a real thing in 80s and 90s movies that felt like it was fictional cops who had too many rules put on them and they wanted to do work but the dang law gets in the way it was that and to answer all the questions in the audience like why don't you just call the cops yes it's sort of like your phone going dead in a horror movie now it's like something you have to

get out of the way yeah you're right that is the cover for it like how do we cover this thing with the car i i was just watching an old community with commentary where he talked about how uh the creator of the show dan harman he talked about how how do you write around there's no cell service kind of things because he thought that was too obvious so he had to be like uh it's a holiday weekend so even when they call the cops they're too busy yeah that's it. And that's their excuse here. As Wiggum explains very carefully in a way a cop in a movie would. I don't know, Simpson.

How do I know you didn't cut your own brakes? Why would I do that? I don't know. Get some attention from a handsome police officer? That's crazy. Look, I know I don't have have any proof but this woman is trying to kill me fine let me tell you what i tell everybody who comes in here the law is powerless to help you do i have to be dead before you'll help me i'm not dead dying no no no don't walk away

how about this just show me the knife in your back not too deep but it should be able to stand by itself yeah the cop commentary is always uh prescient yes it's never dated yeah especially the call back to this is amazing yeah i i also i forgot there was a joke in here that wiggum thought marge was hitting on him and then is disappointed she wasn't uh unlike mo not a running gag of Wiggum in love with Marge, which is good because Wiggum's married, okay? Be careful, Wiggum. Yeah, I think he just needs it for his ego

more than wanting Marge particularly. I guess Wiggum already got caught with that wild dancer, that dancer in the 18th Amendment episode. 18th oh yeah and that one too yeah he's he has a lot of mistakes uh yeah true but yes he i also just love him saying how do i know you didn't cut your own breaks like that's an insane thing to do no one would cut their own breaks then we get another great call back we head back to phineas q Butterfats. I always love when they go. They don't make up a new ice cream place. They go to their classic ice cream place.

Yeah, not too many appearances, but there's been enough of them. And you can still, well, I guess in Florida, actually, you can eat at the Phineas Q Butterfats, the real one in the open Universal Orlando, which, you know, that might be the most expensive ice cream you ever ate if you bothered to go there. And it's had like a number of different kind of storefronts in the show. But the original joke was a joke take off on the Baskin Robbins. It was 5600 flavors of ice cream parlor. That's right. And actually, they also went there before for a giant ice cream sundae joke as well

but it wasn't an arc it was the just a regular looking giant one that cost me 88 dollars as he tried to buy his love back from lisa after uh screwing her over with that whole reed incident and uh that is not where uh rex banner had his banana kaboom you're right yeah different place entirely uh that yeah that was i guess finney's cube butterfats more in a strip mall that place was like a classy restaurant in its own way uh but yeah so they don't even i guess it is becky's idea to come here and they're celebrating that she's leaving but they're all like really well dressed so it seems i there's something missing here i feel like there should be an extra explanation of why they're buying noah's ark ice cream and they're all in like formal wear too it's

it's very strange yeah uh which they did they think marge was going to come back from the grocery store and meet them there and that's why they didn't uh they weren't worried that she was missing for hours maybe there's there's like a line missing here i think yeah like my mom would have killed me if i wasn't at home when she got home from the grocery store to help put things away like like if marge had to put everything away by herself and then meet them at the ice cream parlor where becky has instructed them to dress up for a special occasion i don't blame marge for hating becky and then for that as well then yeah uh but, so there's a Noah's Ark themed Giant Sunday presented in biblical style by the squeaky voice teen. He's really into that act there.

I like that. They've gone with a new theme for Phineas Q Butterfats. Yeah. This Bible theme happening. Maybe a born again guy bought the company. And now they're going to be the red States, uh, basket of Robbins.

But, uh, but yes, Homer is so excited at the ice cream. He passes out and falls into it and stops breathing, which I like that Bart thinks it's just normal that Homer just put his face into it to inhale. He's gorging.

Yeah. Uh, but Becky pulls Homer's head out. There's a funny draw to him with the uh a cherry on his nose a banana in his mouth and two ice cream scoops in his eyes that's a real looney tunes gag i do like it yeah i like that one a lot yeah and uh then in the final of misdirections becky starts trying to save homer's life uh through mouth-to-mouth resuscitation which looks like uh honestly doesn't look like

she's kissing him but to marge she's crazy enough to believe it now and uh this is when marge arrives and is ready to attack becky you serve her you serve her you serve her don't mess with me i've got jimmies i can only see a horrible rainbow. Shut up, Becky. There. I finally said it. Drop the cone, sugar. Whoopsie.

Take her away, boys. I thought you said the law was powerless. You're powerless to help you, not punish you. Earned my treat. This isn't over, Becky. I know where you live. My house. The scene of Marge coming at her from the first person perspective of with the jagged ice cream cone truly unsettling yes yeah uh it's it's scary they they make a good point on the

commentary too like becky's kung fu is failing her now in this attack and by the way there is some like uh hubbub online about whether or not the term jimmy's is racist for that ice cream topping and i did a lot of digging and it turns out uh it is not according to multiple sources so uh jimmy's are just sprinkles but in some areas perhaps the south i don't know henry if you can vouch for this they're known as jimmy's okay i've i had never heard them called jimmies before. I mean, though there is a certain thing about how, as proven by that English dude who did the entomology of the Batmobile Lost Its Wheel song, I think the Simpsons flattened out or taught me the names of things.

So because I heard Homer say, like, mmm, sprinkles, like he did in his robot voice in that treehouse of horrors i think i just always called him sprinkles because i learned it from the simpsons so you had not heard the word sprinkle before that maybe i had maybe but i but i definitely never i cannot recall ever hearing him called jimmy's i don't think if my mom would say like hey i bought jimmy's at the store you can put them on the ice cream though i also wasn't much of a decorate your ice cream kind of kid i i wanted that ice cream straight no not on the rocks i do like that joke because that's her weapon of choice and it's very effective i my favorite alternate name for sprinkles though is the australian one which is hundreds and

thousands that's what they call sprinkles which which I like. Like there's so many of them, I guess. Yeah, they're so loose, man. You know, this is now making me sad. The idea of like in a COVID time, topping bars at ice cream places. No more. The yogurt boom is bust.

That's right. God, we're not going to be able to go to like a Pinkberry again and pick our own crumbled up cookies. And when i moved to california 10 years ago it was like the the yogurt gold rush there was a yogurt stand on every corner and now they're all exploding it's a real shame uh but oh they mentioned on the commentary too they used every version of squeaky voice team they had there because she throws them at three at once

uh the backup squeaky voice teams i i think by by season 11 the one whose moses had been formalized as the main squeaky voice he's the lead boy yeah yeah marge has truly lost it here and uh seemingly is trying to murder if she had not been stopped by the police might have uh at least stabbed becky if not killed her and i do also like the line drop the cone sugar that's cute but yeah i like that too i want to shout out wiggum has some good ones like bake them away toys and also my dad's favorite one was always take them into custardy boys um but that one could have applied here but i i like the the sugar cone when you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins Insurance,

I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part. Visit desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care did i mention that we care vibe i don't know he's i i like his little his little quips maybe they had remembered like oh

wait we already did cut sturdy we got it what's another ice cream one i think in a few seasons police shootality oh right it involves taffy and uh well also speaking of police brutality on twitter a lot this year i've been seeing that meme of like powerless to help you not punish you me too me too uh and and yeah hearing julie cavner like she doesn't get much to do a lot of the time so getting to hear her scream these crazy things or just say you zipper over and over again ron's like i know where you live my house it's a heightened march like that is great i wonder like you know could julie do these kind of lines now no no no i absolutely not uh it'd be the last it's you'd call her in for that and that'd be all she'd do

that week it's like all right two takes of yelling i wonder if it really was with broker having to do 100 versions of that saying in simpson's movie that she had to do 100 times of breaking up with her you can track how much her vocal cords deteriorated i feel i mean it's it's the most heartfelt scene in the movie i suppose but but now yeah sorry all hear is just, oh, that's her voice breaking because she's exhausted and broken down. And that's what Marge just sounds like now. Yeah. Forever. Sad.

You pushed him too far, James L. Brooks. You went too far. You wanted an Oscar. Another Oscar. You know, I think because of a lack of competition in the shorts department, I bet you the Simpsons are going to win the Oscar this year for the daycare, longest daycare. Or no, the other one. They'll clear that low bar.

But yes, we go to commercial break. We come back. Marge is at an insanity hearing. Quite a lineup of characters here. Yeah. So we have Dr. Zweig, uh marge thought was loewenstein because of prince of tides and zweig should really recuse herself in this case i think she's too personally interested and bancroft still alive not playing her uh we have uh ned's

psychiatrist dr foster but not the current version the one from the 50s yeah it's a time displaced dr foster not the dr foster who meets him in the insane asylum the new bedlam insane asylum exactly yeah and also this morgan freeman style character known as like other guy apparently in the script and he is voiced by mark wilmore who would write for the show in 2002 yeah he'd uh he joined i think with the treehouse that year but uh but of course this was payback for him helping with a prank on matt selman which we talked all about in uh the lisa mensa episode yeah they saved lisa's brain yeah yeah but uh mark wilmore i mean he definitely it does stand out because his voice just isn't a voice you hear on the simpsons normally a person of color well that's not a guest star that's true uh but but that's not a problem anymore no no it is not no but yes i also like that we even get a little callback to marge's history in this hearing now marge according to

this you recently went berserk in an ice cream parlor yes and marge did you ever have an unhealthy fixation on Ringo Starr? It was healthy. He reciprocated. He reciprocated. Please. Roderick. Please. Excuse me, what are you doing?

Oh, I was just praying to God that you'll find me sane. I see. And this God, is he in this room right now? Oh, yes. He's kind of everywhere. Marge Simpson, you give us no choice but to declare you utterly... I'm not insane! You didn't let me finish.

Insane! i'm not insane i think uh for the first time i heard road rage yeah a reference to uh screaming yellow honkers which i believe was the last season right yeah that's so perfect the way he just quickly says says rage like that that makes it clear like oh yeah there are other reasons to think marge has uh is insane they should have went back to season three's homer alone when she had the mental breakdown on the bridge and block all the traffic this is not the first marge uh has a mental issue that's true yeah i had definitely never heard the road rage reference it's it's like because the focus

is on Marge at that point so you're not really listening to him but when we're just hearing it here that's really good and I and I do like the joke that they treat uh praying to God is insane as well and this God these are all not only atheists but people who have never heard of God at all in their lives uh the this scene is really funny but i did have a one sad moment of thinking like oh man what if lionel hutz was here for this yeah yeah and then i got sad thinking i think of that whenever i see gil too oh yeah oh gil march jumping out the window it being like a on the first floor very funny mislead i did like that such because the tension you see of marge

looking out the window like for a moment you're supposed to think in her head she decides rather than be insane she would rather try to commit suicide and then it's like no no she knew it was the first floor and she's just running away i didn't even think suicide i was just like oh she's pulling a ted bundy here and then like like, I've watched too much true crime in my day. You're just like Patty and Selma now. Now Patty and Selma will be listening to podcasts all the time. Yeah. I like that Homer's still being supported by complimenting her crazy legs.

That's funny. But so then we get some amount of time must have passed because they're then reporting on Marge being missing on the news. We then head to Juggernauts. Yeah, tell an animator to draw a hot woman. He'll do it. He will do it. He will.

Which Juggernauts is where Titania worked, the barmaid from the competition in Pygmalion. Okay, I didn't know if it was a returning restaurant yes yes and it's wet t-shirt month there as well this i've said it before but season 11 the most boob filled season of the simpsons wait until they add booberella as a regular character that's real it's true yep yeah i like booberella well i guess i like the character via how much i like elvira i just i think elvira is fun and so by osmosis i like her they're already spreading lies about or about marge that she's gonna kill again and i do also love homer saying like she'll be here sooner or later to finish off becky homer just has a couple good lines in here and becky becky should be more

upset at this i think a lot of these marge on the run gags uh in a very flattering way remind me of mel brooks style gags like the the marching band mental asylum one was very funny where she joins this marching band to evade the cops but they're marching back into the asylum and it's perfect because they're all wearing the orange jumpsuits like her and they have the big hair like her but it's to go right back in the asylum yeah you're right that would totally fit in like blazing saddles or something like that yeah uh and that they yeah they're just the fun marching band that gets to march down the street back into the insane asylum it's kind of corny but i i like it and then marge

realizes she needs to hide better she needs a change of clothes she breaks into the backyard of comic book guy and steals his giant shirt and pants her in this outfit is hilarious yes oversized outfit for the rest of the episode uh and and comic book guy says those are prescription pants like lisa and bart's prescription shoes. Oh, okay. But I mean, he's a large man. He needs some big pants. I wonder if those are to keep from like clotting or something. They're like compression pants or whatever.

Compression pants. And also when Marge steals Wiggum's hat, it reminded me like, oh, she's wearing her hat kind of like she did when she was a cop. Me too. And that also made me think like, boy boy imagine if they actually commented on her history with wigum and all these wigum and her scenes and she just said like hey i was a cop i know you're supposed to do this this and this they can only reference so much continuity in this episode they've already done it uh up to their limit i think yeah the more you think about the continuity

you you just you would lose your mind just as march does just like all the connections not commented upon uh but yes then boy do we get the simpsons are finally done making fun of johnny carson bits it's time for the current of 2000 to make fun of bits on conan o'brien with this next scene now we've got a special guest she just flew in from the cuckoo's nest, and boy is she crazy! Crazy Marge Simpson! Look at that! Hello, Krusty! That's funny. So Marge, who's your favorite Native American warrior?

Crazy horse! Woof, woof, woof! Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh! No, no, no! All right, all right. Stop it. Oh, this pit's dying. Let's go to the Mad Marge Dancers. Oh, I really miss Mom. The kids are saying if you say bloody Margie five times, she'll appear.

But then she gouges your eyes out. I hear she mates with men, then eats them. I'm sure if Marge were here and not crazy, she'd be telling you two to do your homework and you to finish washing the dog. Yeah, I really wonder if any younger person gets the Conan reference, because I will say it's easy to write that in a script

and hard for that bit to look good in animation. Yeah. It makes me kind of wish they would have just put the real lips on that character and just did a yellow overlay for that bit to look good in animation yeah uh it makes me kind of wish they would have just put the real lips on that character and just like did like a yellow overlay just because it's it doesn't really translate well when you're just animating what's supposed to be a fake mouth onto a face yeah you know they should have just gone full clutch cargo with it yeah but it did remind me of like the conan bit especially when uh robert smigel played bill clinton because he'd always

be like you know kissing conan and sticking his tongue out and stuff uh they yeah i i pulled up some old ones of it i i remembered that you know i remembered him more doing it with arnold because that was more recent when when arnold schwarzenegger ran for california's governor he would do the same bit uh but he originated it with clinton like in the early clinton years i i couldn't i couldn't find confirmation if this was true but mike scully says on the commentary it was simpsons season five through seven writer brent forrester who came up with the idea yeah i believe it too and uh it's funny how much of conan's old shtick relied on very cheap like video effects and cheap photoshop because uh if they made it was a segment on conan's old shtick relied on very cheap like video effects and cheap photoshop because uh if

they made it was a segment on conan it's just like we made a photoshop of two celebrities features together and there was even a book you could buy if they made pictures the most freakish of of photoshops yeah i actually i do have a quick clip if you didn't ever enjoy the bill clinton appears on conan here's him in 1996 ahead of the election and robert smigel is in rare form in this one all right well let's talk about bob dole he took some heat hold on let's talk about independence day man anybody see id4 oh man that movie rock man i love the part when I got in the fighter plane and took on the kicked ass. So it was alien, baby.

So that was actually the president in the movie that did that. No, no, no. That was me. Okay, all right. Let's talk about the issues. I don't remember, man. I was so buzzed. It was 2 in the morning.

Take it easy. I can say whatever I want. All right, all right. Sir. I like occasionally when the mouths would also eat. It wouldn't make any sense. In that bit too later, his mouth gets off sync and his nose is visible. And Conan O'Brien says, sir, you have two noses now.

And he's just like, I don't care. I'll still win the election. I forgot what a hick he made, Clint. That's great. And yeah, the tongue stuff that is happening in the Marge drawing too is pretty funny. I, well, I also really, what I caught in this time is that you can tell Dan's playing it like that Sideshow Mel doing it. Yeah.

Yeah. I do like that. And did I mention that that's the dancing Eidos is what, uh, the Leno bit, which that was a little older than, I guess both had been pretty established at that point but that one that was racist so you got that going for you the uh that conan bit it also made me laugh then because i'm like oh i'm watching conan now now i know what it feels like to have spent years it when the chicken mcnugget jokes were happening with johnny carson in the early simpsons years i didn't have years of watching Johnny Carson to know how tired his act was but now I'd seen enough of Conan to get this Conan

thing on that kind of level which I I appreciate that and I knew it was like ah it's friendly they all know Conan they like him they're not saying Conan sucks even though even though Krusty going like ah this bit's dying that does feel like an insult on the bit it's another bit to immediately cut to uh yeah but in the audience isn't too i mean it's all children but like they clearly don't enjoy it either so i mean hopefully it's playful ribbing on conan's like on conan's uh not on his behalf you know what i'm trying to say yeah having watched a ton of conan from this area he'd always be the first to admit when a bit was dying yes yeah uh he got so much mileage out of like that's as good as it can look guys yeah like look the explosion didn't happen i don't know what to tell you uh there's one little extra deleted scene here too where becky tells them stop watching tv and homer says it's our job we're a nielsen family

so a little extra gag there like that i love. I love the drawing of the half-watched Stan as Little Helper. Like, that's funny. He's so a happy little dog, even though he's covered in filth. Or half-covered in filth. And also that Homer and Bart are already falling for the old wives' tales about Bloody Margie. So then we get a parody of the scenes that also happen in all those Fatal Attraction movies where the woman does the research and finds out that she was right all along. Except here, Marge finds out she was wrong all along. I love her reaction to, like, I should really read the entire headline before I react.

It's like, you should just read the entire headline instantly based on how your vision works. Well, in one of those headlines it has kills is the biggest word that she's like at the local talent show apparently becky is a usurper foiler yeah as well foiled by becky that's great yeah so maybe that's her cover to become a usurper she's like no i'm the usurper foiler that's right she's been learning all the best usurping tactics i also just i love mole man so much and i love his his appearance of like i thought i'd made a friend that's great yeah oh marge's uh meddling got a front page headline too was she aware of that yeah that ruining a wedding gets you front page i that's

i was complimenting that too thinking like that's a great joke construction because in the rule of threes march should say oh i should stop reacting until i read the full headline she should say that after the third one but she says it after the second because the third then is an extra joke about how actually marge is the villain of this entire story uh and so yes Marge realizes she's wrong. She heads back home to apologize. Becky, I want to apologize to you. Surper! Surper! Why, you!

Cut! Cut! Mom, it's great to have you back, but you walked right into my shot. Shot? What are you... I hope we didn't scare you, Marge. Bart's just filming a music video for his class project. And I'm directing the making-of video. Oh. Well, then, I guess there's a reasonable explanation for everything.

Except you cutting my brakes. Oh, about that. When I changed your oil oil i may have drained your brake fluid i didn't say anything because i thought you'd be mad oh boy my bad my bad that's uh on the commentary once again confirming for us how horny cartoonists are they say that uh the directors like the animators really were fans of that Vampirella costume on Becky. I wonder if Vampirella was in the script, too, you know? Or if they improvised that.

That's a comic book character, Vampirella. Basically a comic book equivalent of a 70s scream queen who wears a skimpy red one-piece, I guess you'd call it. It's of the Vampirella, El elvira booberella style of character yes right the vampirella is a space vampire i believe but uh though i haven't read too many vampirella comics they they try a rebooter every five years and to varying success as interested as i was in vampirella i was too ashamed to actually buy one oh yes yeah that's the that was the advent of the internet where you can finally see these dirty comics without having to shamedly buy them from an adult man who runs a comic book

store i mean i look at that outfit i'm like that's a killer outfit i love it yeah good good for you becky but i also love that becky's like we find out in this scene that like none of becky's killing marge plot involved cutting her brakes like like you'd think that would have been one of her tactics i i don't know i like that reveal and i like that it ties in the oil changing scene it actually makes the oil change work as a plot yeah not just a silly thing for homer there's there's careful construction yeah that scene was there for a reason but i guess we don't know how becky was going to kill marge just that she was at least going to dig a grave for her there's there's an interesting back and forth on the commentary tour they're like

they can't remember where the ending came in like they're asking larry larry doyle who's like not in the room with them he can't remember but he says like oh certainly this wasn't the original ending but he said it in a way of like yeah you rewrite every ending no no script keeps the ending you always rewrote it but then on the commentary to then steven d moore's like no i remember this being the ending in the animatic so they didn't change it that late but uh i it's a really funny ending and you get to draw everybody in silly costumes i like that uh and at a music video like what's the music being set to is it going to be more hard rock is she doomed to once more yeah if it's heavy metal she's just falling back into her old habits again and i like that lisa is joining in on it too

which explains why she is just immobile when she should be like mom you're back but she doesn't want to ruin the shot and i love the like i'm here to apologize to usurper that's great one last usurper uh but yes marge is apologizing just as she gets made unconscious uh twice in this final clip i'm so sorry i accused you of trying to kill me and steal my family hey no biggie i was trying to steal your family. I even thought of a good place to bury you then I didn't have a shovel So I went to the hardware store and they have six different kinds and I was like later That's a relief too knowing. I'm not crazy. So I guess everything really worked out for them Monster you killed her. No, they didn't.

Oh, Lord. You put enough tranquilizers in there to take down Jonathan Winters. Oh, I've got too much to do to take a nap right now. Lisa, get Maggie out of that cage. And Homer, since you're dressed for it, I got some S&M for you.

Scrubbing and mopping. Thank you. a mess in amphria scrubbing and mopping thank you so homer is the true monster yes worse than becky i say this many times but that definitely feels like greeting wasn't there to say no to homer knocking her unconscious are we pre-chloroform jokes or are we in the chloroform era this is i haven't gotten to them chloroforming yet but he has done the nerve pinch knockout on her already yes oh my god the chloroform joke era that's when i learned what chloroform was and i definitely and then there's the color forms we did get to the color form joke oh you're right so we are in chloroform town you're right yeah but homer hasn't used it on march yet yes i like how her mom energy was not enough to take her down like it powered through the tranquilizer she's like we got too much cleaning to do uh that jonathan winters references

because the late comedian jonathan winters in 1959 and 1961 self-committed to an asylum uh because he felt he needed he needed help he's also he was a very large man as well yes so i think they're commenting on that as well i like too they use blow darts instead of they're using blow guns instead of uh tranquil you know i never really thought about that but yeah it's it's very antiquated i like the the jonathan winters callback too because it ties into the episode title it's a mad mad mad you're right wow I don't know how many mads there are

but because of his it's a mad mad mad something it's four mads I totally forgot that and I only watched that movie to get the references in that Simpsons episode I still haven't watched it and now whenever I hear like children of the 60s

talk about the movie, they all hate it. They're like, it was so boring. The three students look like they're about to die. Come on, Bob, just set aside three hours and watch it. It was, honestly, I'd like to see it in full 70 millimeters someday. I think that's the only way I'd see it. When movie theaters open again, the Cinerama.

Yeah. Also, I think i knew what snm was then but uh maybe because like of a betty page documentary but it's funny to hear marge reference you had the internet in the year 2000 sure sure okay you were googling i was from a documentary i don't know what you're talking a tasteful documentary on the spice channel it would be another 10 years before we got uh rihanna's snm um the song that's how the kids would learn that but that's when a lot of kids learned about that uh i i looked it up according to the wiki though i didn't pull up the movie to confirm it apparently becky's only other major appearance is in a background gag in the movie when everybody's

celebrating her in auto like oh wow that's at least according to the wiki i didn't i'm gonna double check on the movie file but in the comments let me know if i misspoke i would assume she would never come back because she's a guest character i mean obviously like parker posey didn't voice or anything but i think i could totally just see it as some animator said, oh, we have to draw everybody celebrating. Well, who would auto-kiss? Oh, yeah, we drew a cool girlfriend for him already. But that's really the only other appearance by Becky. Yeah, it was a fun, crazy episode that I'm glad they didn't make it more of a Hand That Rocks the Cradle parody.

Yeah. Just enough. And you don't even need to know that to enjoy it i just like giving marge some fun things to do and making her less uh of like a boring nag as they would call her in the show uh giving like heightening marge giving her a reason to be like aggressive and assertive and uh crafty is fun though of course when they write a march centric episode it has to be about her in competition with another woman and then and with her being tranquilized by her husband yes but it's fun and wacky and i feel bad i didn't watch this as much just because i had antipathy to the episodes that preceded it i think it suffered from that blowback for sure yeah yeah because i mean this episode i i enjoy it it's it's definitely one that i remember like i remember when you guys like told me what episode it was the first thing i thought

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