Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Kamp Krusty

Episode Date: September 7, 2016

Welcome to season 4! And it’s just in time for the summer to be over! Bart and Lisa head to the nightmarish Kamp Krusty — but will they make it home alive? Find out in this week’s podcast…

today's talking simpsons is brought to you by little bits the easy to use electronic building blocks talking simpsons listeners can go to try little bits.com slash laser time and get 20 off your first order ahoy hoy everybody welcome to talking simpsons this is the laser time podcast network's chronological exploration of the simpsons. I am your host, Mr. Mackey. Who else is here with me today? Chief Starving Bear, Chris Antista. Crunchy the Clown, Henry Gilbert. I am so Crunchy the Clown.

And this episode is Camp Krusty, which aired on September 24th, 1992. Chris, what happened on this mythical day in Simpsons history? Oh my God! Oh my God, Bobby! The Kentucky Supreme Court finally rules its anti-sodomy laws are unconstitutional. Pearl Jam's tent is on top of the music charts. And John Kay is fired from Brennan Stimpy, the Nickelodeon show.

Wow, that finally happened. Look up the creator's fired episode of Laser Time if you want to hear the whole story. Me rambling for about 20 minutes about what happened. It's very complicated. Sick little monkeys. It ties in well with Simpsons fandom. It really does. It's that both of their animated legacies started around the same time.. It's very complicated. Sick little monkeys. It ties in well with Simpsons fandom. It really does.

It's that both of their animated legacies started around the same time. It aligns very well. Yeah, so much great animation stuff happening on TV in the early 90s that would kind of make what we watch now what it is today, I think. Also, it would be like 11 more years before that sodomy law would be struck down nationally. It's one of those things I like to point out to angry progressives, because I encounter them more than I do Republicans, is that progress, so much

progress has happened and we don't even notice. It's easy to forget. Yeah, for sure. This still wasn't the end of the anti-sodomy law in Kentucky. You couldn't buttfuck in America. Not with a witness nearby. Up until like 10 years ago they finally

threw it on us. But it was one of those things you just enforced to fuck over marginalized people. There was a story from 10 years ago like the police went to the wrong house, went in, two guys are fucking and they're breaking the law. Yes, that was in Texas and that was the one that went to the Supreme Court and ended it.

Colbert had a great joke about this when it happened, which was that it was a great judgment, but it was also that when the Supreme Court reminded them that it was sodomy. They're like, it is legal now, but it's also sodomy.

What a perfect way to kick off the fourth season of Talking Simpsons. Welcome to season four. It's all about sodomy, people. This is the first film Roman season, but this is the last Klaski Chupo episode. Not the last one we'll see, the last one produced. Oh, okay. This is what happens every season, and we're going to have it every time we start a season,

which is, this is the production season three, hold over episodes into season four. Exactly. The same will happen in season five season six season seven all these ones that were like that's why some people think of the arm and tam's arian episode they they miscredit it to mike scully is like oh mike scully ruined the show from the very beginning of the season like no that was the last season eight episode so here's my theory i feel like the producers thought there would be no holdovers this year because this is a summer vacation episode that aired at the end of september yeah which was kind of a bummer for me as a kid watching this like what you're talking about

summer vacation i just started school a month ago and i just wanted to i i knew the factoid about the production order for the next episode we'll talk about oh yeah uh this seems way better than this seems like season like a great opening to season four. The show is so funny every single fucking second. It's weird this is the last production three because at this point they should be so tired that nothing matters and all jokes are just whatever we can write. It fires on all cylinders.

They said Camp Krusty, this episode, was supposed to be the first Simpsons movie and they couldn't find enough things to pad. Well, when James L. Brooks saw it, he apparently said to them, this should be the movie. And then now Gene's response was like, Talk about stakes, camp.

This can barely fill a 22-minute episode. But if they were working on this to make a 90-minute movie, this thing pops every four seconds with something great. I think the story was, like Henry said, James L. Brooks saw it and they were like, okay, number one, we need an episode that can air for the premiere.

Number two, we can't make 20 minutes of animation with this. Like, where will the movie come from? But I think if they sat down and they didn't have to produce an entire season, this could have been a movie. And that is also, that way of thinking is what prevented one recent-ish episode from not airing for two years because they thought, is this is the sequel to the simpsons movie oh let's expand this into a whole episode so glad that did not become the next movie i mean i guess that there was ever a canonical appearance of kang and koto okay yeah boo for a really bad joke

but there was a lot of good things about that season too but this but this episode and the season six season premiere which was also a holdover from season five that was meant to air before the summer. I always liked I liked watching both of those as a kid because it felt like I was catching up with what The Simpsons did all summer. Now that my summer was over, it was like, OK, well, part of darkness. How was your home? How was yours? Like, well, we got a pool or they went to the camp. And because we're kids when

we're watching this and i i just did want to say about 60 of all my dreams are set at summer camp oh wow i don't i you know i don't really want to know what that means but you're free to tell me your interpretation i'm sure we'll get into this but did any of us go to summer camp yes no i went to day camps that were just like, leave your kids here, because they'll kill themselves at home. And I really hated the day camps, especially the summer I spent at the YMCA day camp.

I went to those too. That was the cheapest one. Or free. And it's where the like, look, I'll just say kids from bad homes who would then bring their hurt on to other kids. Maybe nerdy kids who wanted to read comic books at camp. It's a lot like Camp Krusty, actually.

I have fond nerdy memories of my YMCA camp because it would have been like the late 80s. And some moron donated every Star Wars thing ever and just dumped it in this giant YMCA sandbox. So I remember not only making full Death Star runs, they were licensed pieces that looked like the middle of the Death Star and I'd dig trenches and run the planes through them. I had a great time. You're so spoiled, Chris. This is a free camp.

It was a charity. Free, wow. It's a YMCA. Yeah, it would be the summer of 93, the summer after this one, that I it's a YMCA. Yeah, it would be the summer of 93, the summer after this one. My parents hated paying for camp. That I went to the YMCA day camp. And that is the summer I truly became a mega comic nerd and brought my trade paperbacks

there and read through them. And there was, I bet now he was maybe like 19, a counselor there who was just super into Spawn and he'd let me read the Spawn comics. And we'd all just talk about, like, comics are so cool. I love telling the story. It's never going to be bad. I did go to sleepaway camp a lot, including once. How many murders?

It wasn't a murder. It wasn't a murder. I just remember it. So we get in. This guy's name is Doug. I have a picture of me standing with him. I feel like I should put it online. To give to the police.

How many consecutive life sentences, Chris? He just said uh look this is what this is how i roll every single summer i pick someone who's going to be my favorite camper and i'm gonna i'm gonna give them priority and i'm gonna give them special treatment and they're gonna sleep with me uh and that's the way it's gonna be and like in like oh everybody's like oh i hope it's me i hope it's me and then i want to be groomed like and i choose rob so he would come home he would like come in uh and like give him pizza hot pizza and we're in the middle of the woods and give him like jesus pizza hot pizza and he'd sleep in his bed uh so he was uh

brought to justice right or is this i'm guessing never i think that's like my one foot in like the fucking 70s or 60s where like no one was talking about it i guess my story has less trauma i just came from a working class family i was a latchkey kid from the point it was probably illegal like i should not be 70 years old and by myself but it was like no camp's expensive you can just stay home and watch tv video games i was like cool i'll do that i have a ton of camp stories i've told them a ton of times on laser time i got into there's a camp episode of laser yeah i got into a camp in the everglades like a sleepaway camp in the everglades and i got in because my dad worked at the Department of Fish and

Wildlife for Florida and he got me in at the last minute by pulling strings and I don't think he paid because we weren't we didn't really pay for things as a family but what they had to do is I was eight years old and they put me in a bunk with all 12 year olds so I get in and I'm like I'm gonna go to camp and then we're gonna stop

at McDonald's I'm gonna get Garfield toys they gave me an extra Garfield toy and I get in there and i'm like guys garfield toys and like fuck you faggot and like instantly like instantly like ostracized and made to cry every single second for an entire week and i remember crying and i couldn't couldn't tell because everybody's like why won't you stop crying why won't you stop crying and like because because i miss i wouldn't want to say like, everybody's being mean to me and like being really cruel to me.

So I said, it's because I miss my Nintendo. And of course that got then manufactured in this ammunition to use against me further. They said normal was a girl, but I know the truth. I got, yeah, I got, I got called. I was gay for Garfield. Then I was gay for Mario.

The 80s, they were great times, people. Again, progress, slow. Again, progress. Slow. I felt it. We're living it now. It's great to not be called gay for liking video games anymore, so thank you. So this episode, I forgot, started with a dream sequence, and there was a moment where I was like, what the hell?

Do you want me to play it? Yeah. The last day of school. Yay! Here are your grades. Oh, no. Mrs. Krabappel. If I don't get a C average, my dad won't let me go to Camp Krusty. Well, it isn't fair to the other children.

But all right. Much obliged, doll. Slaps her ass. So great. Bart Simpson, I'm going to miss you. Attention, everyone. This is Principal Skinner. I trust you all remembered to bring in your implements of destruction.

Now let's trash this dump. I love that. School's out for summer plays. This captures the perfect life and hell contempt for school. Yeah. As seen in the pages of Life and Hell. And I feel like wanting to destroy your school does not have the baggage it did pre-Columbine. I feel like we all have fantasies about blowing up our school and leaving our school, burning our school down.

I'll say this, and I'm officially going to do something about it. Growing up in the 80s, I watch cartoons now, Saturday morning cartoons, Men for Children. I don't care what you think. I do that now. Advertisements are not the same. In the 80s, I remember Nickelodeon would play Schools Out for Summer, the Alice Cooper song that's played in this very sequence,

and show kids standing on top of their school and throwing shit out every summer because every commercial posed like, do this, don't do that. I'm a stuffy teacher and I hate bubble tape fuck you guitar yeah you can't handle gum and tape form bitch walking about i'm watching a bonkers ad which is just about old people being crushed by awesome candy yeah and like like you don't it doesn't happen now but like the marketing and the attitude of the 80s very much fostered an anti-adult kind of atmosphere for me.

Well, it was like anti-authority in the form of anti-adult. Like that classic commercial for Sonic the Hedgehog where the frumpy old librarian's like, why can't he be more like that nice Mario boy? I'm telling you, I watch all these advertisements like a hawk.

This does not exist anymore. But I think it's unhealthy. i grew up with a very a big disrespect from authority that was partially coca-cola's fault that's crazy the kid power uh era of entertainment but but and alice cooper is so fucking rich from that song he gets licensed in everything not not feed my frankenstein they they joke in the commentary that they've dreamed of, after they saw how rich Alice Cooper was getting from it, that they wanted to write a song called Schools Out for Christmas. They're like, if this could be a hit, we'll be rich forever.

It'll be licensed and everything. Somebody fucking should. And I think I'm going to get on that right goddamn now. Schools out for Christmas. This might have been where all their music licensing budget went. We'll get to that later. Yeah, I mean, this episode really captures

the anticipation for summer, the love of summer, the hatred of school. I felt this as a kid. I really identified with The Simpsons because we're like, oh, school does suck

and I'm good to be looking forward to summer. I think that's where the dreams come from regarding summer like a reprieve. So not only when you become an adult

there is no summer, there is no break, there is no moment of respite from this life you call adulthood. Homework every day until you die. And if you work from home, like yours truly, it's even worse. It blends into night. You can't even go home. That's right.

And, well, I did love Bart's little happy singing when he wakes up because he's smashing the school with a wrecking ball. And then when he cuts to him singing in his sleep, like, la, la, la, la. Just really sweet. And then, yeah, then they get around the breakfast table. And I love Homer's pronouncement of when you're 18, you're out the door. In all the episodes, just the pronounced, Homer and Bart eating, there's perps everywhere. Are they eating piles of slops, though?

Just like purple piles of slop. I think it was a real meal. I know in the herb episode right before this one, they're eating real. There's a good description from Otto about summer. All right. Three old months of SpaghettiOs and daytime TV. Why is that what I do now? Did you guys like the joke about Bart having the women's measurements as his locker combination?

I didn't get that at all. You're telling me now. My mom explained it to me as a kid once, but yeah, 36, 24, 36. Oh, my God. They're the ideal measurements circa 1950 or whatever. It's another of my mom explained it to me as a kid one. But yeah, 36, 24, 36. Oh, my God. They're the ideal measurements circa 1950 or whatever. They're 50s hourglass measurements. It's a great violin thumb song, by the way.

A Marilyn Monroe type who now would be called fat. 36-inch long legs. Oh, yeah, for sure. Marilyn Monroe would be Rebel Wilson right now. Yes. Yeah. How dare she be so fat? But this is all built around Camp Krusty. Let me just burn this clip off.

Oh, wow. Jesus. Homer, you do remember your promise to the children. Sure do. When you're 18, you're out the door. No, Dad. You promised if Bart and I got C averages, we could go to Camp Krusty. And with no false modesty,

you're looking at one happy camper. Yeah, well, just remember, when you see my report card, they got this whole new grading system this year. It now goes D-B-A-C. Now listen, boy, we have an understanding, and you'd better keep your end of it. I don't think I'd be any kind of a father if you got D's and I let you go to Camp Krusty. But Dad... Son, if you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now quiet. They're about to announce the lottery numbers. 17.

We just saw the lottery in season three in Dog of Death, right? Yeah. He did not learn from his lottery thing. For a second, I thought it would have been so funny if it had been the same numbers as the previous lottery, but it was not. It only had one additional joke of him cheering for the one right number. Three wrong numbers deep. So when Hoover

hands out the grades to Lisa, she freaks out about it. How could this have happened? I feel so dirty. Lisa got a beep. The dirt's not coming off. Okay. Calm down. This must just be a little typo. Who means Hoover? There must just be a little typo. Who means Hoover?

There appears to be a mistake on my report card. You gave me a B plus in conduct? Now, Lisa, everyone needs a blotch on their permanent record. Press, I'm not making myself clear. I think you should reconsider. Lisa, you're hurting me. That slap sound was her slapping Hoover's hand. Hoover is great there.

And also right before when she says, like, I have nothing left to say to you, so let's just silently run out the clock. Though that does imply in both cases, like, Bart and Lisa have now graduated their grades. They should not be coming back to fourth and second grade. Bart has graduated the fourth grade twice at this point within the series. And he does it at the beginning of the season. And in summer, four foot two, he graduates as well.

And then also the B plus in conduct is pretty good for Lisa told Hoover to shove it. She told her to shove it this season. She was a bad girl for an episode. I think she deserved that B plus. So Lisa should chill out. I want to know more about this teacher. This was a bad girl for an episode. I think she deserved that B+. Yeah, so Lisa should chill out.

I want to know more about this teacher. This is almost my line of the show for this. Wait a minute! You didn't learn how World War II ended!

We won! Yeah! USA! USA! Oh, good. Kids running out of school for summer. One episode earlier

we had heard Powell chanting USA. This is true. If you don't count the Patreon wrap-up episode that we have up. Yeah. Please, good. Kids running out of school for summer. One episode earlier, we had heard Powell chanting USA. This is true. If you don't count the Patreon wrap-up episode that we have up. Yeah, please, please. So when they're on the bus. I can't believe I forgot to mention that again. When they're on the bus coming home, they do this joke twice, but I think it's great twice of,

they get mad at Bart for not coming up with a plausible lie. He's like, that it has to be A. He's like, come on. Like, you had to think of something believable. And the way Homer said... You can't blame him because this is how awesome the camp sounds. Camp Krusty is built on an actual Indian burial ground. We've got archery, wallet making, the whole McGillis.

And for you fat kids, my exclusive program of diet and ridicule will really get results. And the best part is, when you come to Camp Krusty, you'll spend the summer with me! On a stinging! I was really hoping one of you would come to the table with some knowledge of Fat Camp. I read Jelly Belly. It was one of my favorite books. That was once a thing,

I think, before child abuse laws were standard. I mean, they still exist. They're just nicer about it. They do. Kids are sent to camp to lose weight because you can control what they eat. Yeah, but every camp can do that. Yeah, but then again, they also, in heavyweights, I bet it's not just heavyweights. It brings in the, sneaks in the candy and shit.

I like how Hard Krusty hits fat. For all you fat kids. It's a running series of jokes in the episode that we don't have a lot of clips of, but they're fucking hilarious. A great joke I didn't even remember from it was in the beginning the bear pushing the girl in the swing. It's so great.

I did want to... It now is probably going to be taboo because you liberal pussies to, like, so heavily steep a camp in an Indian theme. And that is what all the sleepaway camps I went to were themed after. It's what they always were. Yeah.

You had tribal names for your bonks and you did Indian. Do you mind if we kill you and borrow your culture for children? You did phony Indian. God, like, and it's weird. We would, like, pray to the spirits and create a fire a fire and then i eventually i went to this camp so long i eventually became a counselor and uh i think there was i had some creepy reason i wanted to mention this i was a counselor one year and a girl who was six months younger than me was a camper uh and some weird stuff happens that's like practically illegal uh but all right But we would pray to the gods and a fire would start up.

And then eventually I learned when I became a counselor that that was brake fuel poured on pool cleaning supplies. Like the ancient Indians. It will ignite in exactly 45 seconds. So when you get a crowd cheering, there was a little mechanism. It was kind of ingenious that went all the way underground in a little pipe, and you pull a little string, and it dumps the brake fluid onto the pool cleaning product. Amazing. And in exactly like

55 seconds, a fire will erupt. Wow. So the Homer with the push, like Homer got rid of his push mower. He finally has a real mower. Yeah, this is a grand, this is every whole sequence. Running over debris. Yes. Here's my report card. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Hey, Plus. You don't think much of me, do you, boy? No, sir. You know, a D turns into a B so easily. You just got greedy. So I won't get to go to camp? No, Bart. We made this deal because I thought it would help you get good grades.

And you didn't. But why should you pay for my mistakes? You mean I can go? Yeah. I didn't want you hanging around all summer anyway. Oh, Dad. You're the best father a boy could ever have. Hey, son.

Now you've got little hands. Can you reach under that mower and pull out that skate? We would see this Homer Moore in Itchy and Scratchy the movie. The lax parenting homer like oh boy go ahead i guess if you're saying this is part of season three's production cycle but that one of my favorite lines from the third season was like let's quit and watch tv what's yeah it doesn't matter yeah setting a bad example this episode is one of my worst um recording jobs i did in the history of being the record master of our Simpsons family tape.

Oh, because you're cutting the commercials? I missed him say, now reach out. Like on my tape, it was always, hey, could you reach out? And then it went the next thing. Henry. And then the other one, when the second break, too, it ended when the roof came off the thing. There was never the next line. Again, I had too much anxiety to cut out the commercials.

I was like, I don't want to miss a second of this. I'll take your country car. I just wish I had the commercials now. Meanwhile, Fox has scrubbed all residue of The Simpsons from YouTube altogether, so I literally will disappear into the commercial breaks from The Simpsons. Can I play the clip of Martin going to fat camp?

Yes. We'll see you when you get back from image enhancement camp. Spare me your euphemisms. It's fat camp for Daddy's chubby little secret. You promised you wouldn't make a scene. That's the first time we hear Martin's dad again. It's an adult doing an impression of the child character. It's so good.

Like Milhouse. Much like Milhouse. As a kid, I did not get leaves before Eat Some More. It's so good. Like Milhouse. As a kid, I did not get leaves of four, eat some more. That's marijuana, correct? Yes. Oh, really? I was looking to you for that one. I'll put down my bong for a second. Goodbye, my special little guy.

Lisa, watch out for poison ivy. Remember, leaves of three, let it be. Leaves of four, eat some more. Goodbye. Goodbye, mom. Goodbye, sweetie. Bye.

Bye-bye. I hate you every day. Don't look in my closet. In fact, stay out of my room altogether. If the pets die, don't replace them. I'll know. I didn't get the sound, but there's the woman like, the kids are gone. Thank God.

Don't come back. Don't come back. They all get out champagne, yeah. I mean, as a kid that was still eye-opening to me. Oh, do parents not want us around? I'm a burden. Okay. We just talked about what we were learning about taking care of babies. Like, getting them to shut up

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You'll help us live and we'll do our best to help you never be bored again. Hail to thee, Camp Krusty, by the shores of Big Snake Lake. Though your swings are rusty, we know they'll never break. Louder, schneller! From your bleeding heads off to your hollow baseball field, to your sick and spanned infirmary, where all our wounds are healed. Hail to thee, Camp Krusty, below Mount Avalanche. We will always love Camp Krusty. On register, train, or run at the Krusty Corporation. All rights reserved

So, the Mr. Black thing Okay, thank you I love Mr. Black Not only Okay, thank you. I love Mr. Black. Not only line of the show, but... That's the joke. A character I wish would come back, and also, like I said before, shorthand. I think we all use that for shorthand.

Yes. It's a great, like, boring, evil character. His evilness is very bland and nondescript. We use it shorthand for a boring, evil character, for,ness is very bland and nondescript. We use it short for boring, evil character. Edited dialogue. Edited dialogue and impromptu replacement or a meaningless replacement. A corporation patronizing

people. I love Mr. Black. Hi, kids! Welcome to Camp Krusty! I'll see you in a few weeks. Until then, I've turned things over to my bestest buddy in the whole wide world. Mr. Black. I want you to treat... Mr. Black.

...with the same respect you would give me. Now here's... Mr. Black. Thank you, Krusty, and welcome, children. I am Mr. Black, your head counselor. For the past 15 years, I was president of Euro Krusty Land. God, another joke about Eurocrustyland. Is that different than Euroitchy

and Scratchyland? My children need wine! So, Crusty really takes a beating in this episode. I would say, up until this, they'd have some... Crusty was an old-time performer who didn't really love kids,

but they had some heart to him in his other appearances like in Father Like Cloud. In this one he becomes the Krusty I think we know much more who is a heartless entertaining, self-centered businessman who doesn't give a shit about anything but money.

When watching this episode I'm using my pre-existing knowledge of other appearances of Krusty the Clown but this had not happened before. Not really. I mean, he was kind of heartless at the start when he's like, he wouldn't go to Bart's, he wouldn't have dinner at the Simpsons house. There were shades of that and of the bad products in Fatherly Clown. Yeah, but it still was, it had some love for Crusty. And this Crusty's just like awful it's but that's what's so great about

Krusty because I can't imagine he was he was started to be a surrogate for every single kind of celebrity horrible traits and then he just embodies that but he's still a fucking clown in a purple shirt and outdated kind of entertainment yes yeah awesome

I love Mr. Black I love his design his voice all of his lines. And he only shows up in this episode as far as I know. Yeah. And just this line alone could have gotten in the line of the show. Yo, Mr. Black. Another Brandy. Gentlemen, to evil.

Yeah. He's a Bond villain. He's a Bond villain of the show. But he's like, he's drawn as a boring guy. He's a very boring, like, hello, everybody. I'm Mr. Black. And that's how the real evil people show up. They're middle management. They're innocuous. The hello, everybody. I'm Mr. Black. And that's how the real evil people show up. They're middle management.

They're innocuous. The banality of evil is what Mr. Black is. So did you know the reference that Krusty going to Wimbledon is? No. I knew, but I'm a commentary nerd. It is a Johnny Carson reference that he would often go to Wimbledon. Johnny Carson is a tennis lover. He'll play tennis with Krusty by the end of this season.

What a fucking weirdo. And he would go to W by the end of this season. What a fucking weirdo. And he would go to Wimbledon during the season. Actually, there was one season of The Tonight Show where he held out for more money and in protest just appeared at Wimbledon. Wow. This was the era where he was not hosting a show for like 60% of the year. Yeah, yeah. But so the Wimbledon thing is totally a Johnny Carson reference. It's like, it's summer,

I'm going to Wimbledon. And here's what I wanted to know from you guys, because again, I'm usually drinking during these shows and forget everything, record like 900 podcasts a week, but is this the first time

Dolph, Kearney, and Jimbo are named explicitly? No, I think Bart does name them in the... Telltale Head? Telltale Head, I think. I don't think he does. He at least says Jimbo. Jimbo is said, but Kearney and Dolph,

I don't think have ever been said before. When do we get to see Krusty? He will be along eventually. In the meantime, our counselors, Dolph, Jimbo, and Kearney will be happy to handle any problems you may have. Again, one of the last appearances of Wendell. Yeah. I think they're also made much bigger than they usually are to just tower over the children.

That's why I wanted to make the reference because I was a camp counselor for someone in my class in middle school. But this is when it was made like they become the true trio of monstrous bullies. But can you – i just want to harp on the story i hit upon earlier can you imagine like you having a crush on a girl in your class and then that summer you are an authority figure it's like older children take care of children who are also children yeah i got my dick touched for the first time jimbo dolphin kearney were baptized into bullydom i think they were just bad kids before but now they're like and nelson is kind of with them sometimes yeah sometimes he'll team up with them but they are

he's not he's not seen with him even this episode but he is a counselor well because nelson is slightly younger than them yeah so at least shorter and well curtis is like 30 i think he saw he's there for the bicentennial yeah here's another dumb thing I got this is the second time and I just realized that T.S. tough shit, like I've never heard that that's not a popular colloquialism I'm from T.S. for tough shit same here, tough titty

Homer definitely, yeah, I might want to, what the fuck Homer definitely said an abbreviation for tough shit that was in the three men in a comic book so does Carty here's your cabin, if you don't like it, T. Yeah. That wasn't the three men in a comic book. So does Kurti. Here's your cabin. You don't like it? T-S.

I don't know why I got so much chicken in there. I also loved his line at the kayak. He was like, ain't getting any safer. I look at these old episodes now of like,

why was this show so controversial? And I know there's a shitload of time in between them. But I think like, you and I didn't, TS was probably a term our parents used. Yeah.

And they caught up, they caught on how subversive Simpsons was because we didn't get the references. I think at one point though, Jimbo, Dolph, Kearney, and Mr. Black are smoking cigars and drinking wine.

So that's a little controversial for children to be like taking part of that with Mr. Black. That felt like a very Pinocchio type moment. Yeah. They hey the kids doing it the bad kids do it in pinocchio so the camp crusty song they had to expand it to fit time that's one of their examples of how how it was too short of an episode so they expanded the song and then that song got really expanded on the horrendous Simpsons Yellow album. That album is awful. Did it?

Yeah, you remember it. It was on the episode. No, I just established that I never remember it. And then they say things. They go like, they sing the Camp Krusty song. And then Bart goes, yeah, Camp Krusty. Now, Otto, do a guitar solo. It's a little bit country, a little bit rock and roll.

It's fucking shit. I love this song. I love when they sing the copyright information at the end. I forgot about that. And I also, you don't see that medic woman any other time, but just her, like, scratching the, lighting the cigarette on the guy's cast and blowing smoke in his face. That really should have been Lunch Lady Doris.

I feel like they could have used her in that scene. She needed a summer job. Yeah. You know this. I just wanted to go over the crusty seal of approval is something I feel like is established here, and it's lightly brought back here and there. It's like a Nintendo seal of approval.

Well, I think we didn't mention in the wrap-up episode, which is available for our Patreon members. We did a season three wrap-up episode. A couple of magazines came out for The Simpsons. Simpsons Illustrated, The Simpsons Magazine. And it blurs the line. Those magazines gave me more canon than the show did. And The Crusty Seal of Approval is definitely a joke

that exists way more in the comics and the magazines and stuff like that. Yeah, and it was also, I've said this before, but it was also in the comics where they said that mr bouvier died on a roller coaster that's true yeah that's not canonical the first reference to the crusty seal of approval this is a little more rustic than i expected i'm not worried at least you know why because of this crusty brand seal of approval you can only find it on products which meet the high personal standards of Krusty the Clown Oops, I should have warned you

That clock gets incredibly hot if you leave it plugged in If you leave it plugged in, what else would you do with a clock? The point is Camp Krusty is a nightmare We're going long here It's an abandoned mule tannery Abandoned mule tannery Meanwhile, Homer is doing it up with Marge every day. Like he's losing weight, getting back his hair.

He's so happy to not. It's really Bart. I think he would. If Lisa was there, he still would. You think he would lay dick to Marge just as much if just Lisa was there. Oh, no. I mean, and I love the joke about the fireworks. Did they do that joke again?

I swear to God they did it again at some point. Maybe the summer of 442. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. But I remember him actually packing the fireworks after that line in a later episode. Oh, yeah. Marge explains the situation a little in her letter to Lisa. Oh, yeah.

Dear kids, I hope this letter finds you well. We are doing great. Your father is in the best shape he's been since, well, ever. One-arm push-ups. Dice. Drinks. Agility. We miss you terribly.

I hope these jelly bean cookies will tide you over until you get home. Hey, Simpson, tell your mom her cookies sucked. Jelly bean cookies sound disgusting. They sound pretty gross to me. I don't like jelly beans, though. And Lisa's acting in the letter, or Yardley Smith's acting in the letter reading is really good, too. Like, save us! Save us now! Dear Mom and Dad, I no longer fear hell because I've been to Camp Krusty.

Our nature hikes have become grim death marches. Our arts and crafts center is, in actuality, a Dickensian workhouse. Come on, wimps. These Gucci waltz have to be on the streets of Hong Kong by Friday. Bart makes it through the days relying on his unwavering belief that Krusty the Clown will come through. Krusty is coming. Krusty is coming. Krusty's coming.

But I am far more pessimistic. I am not sure if this letter will reach you as our lines of communication have been cut. Giddy up. Now the effort of writing has made me lightheaded. So I close by saying, save us! Save us now! Bart and Lisa. Kid's letters from Kim.

She complains now, but when we go to pick her up, she won't want to leave. God, I love Lisa sneaking that letter out to the guy on the horse. He takes like a nip of whiskey before going off, and she's like wrapped in a blanket and the wind is whipping. It's great. There was a great comment on the Later Time Facebook group talking about the differences between Simpsons and Futurama and a couple of other shows and about how most of the early seasons of the Simpsons are making not references to things that are tangential references to things that are just now popular, which the show is guilty of.

But a lot of other shows are guilty of that, too. Like, not of, like, the Meet the Spartans level of, like, we're making fun of a trailer. The Britney Spears head shaving will always be relevant. Yeah. And we'll specifically say what we're talking about. They'll say, oh, remember when Britney Spears shaved her head? That's what that was. I would not get half the references in this montage had I not, one, just watched the original Ben-Hur.

I love that Ben-Hur has come out and is one of the, who would have guessed it's the biggest bomb ever? I feel like someone should pay me to tell how. Why would you remake Ben-Hur has come out and is one of the... Who would have guessed it's the biggest bomb ever? I feel like someone should pay me to tell how... Why would you remade Ben-Hur? Are you idiots? I went to the movies recently and I saw that playing. I'm like, they did this? Who? Why?

The spectacle is a divorce from the 60s. You can't do this anymore. What the fuck? You want to see horses? There's a free game on Xbox One based on Ben-Hur. And it's like, we have to watch these production behind the scenes. We did this all practically in camera. Yeah, so did Charlton Heston.

For a lot less money. So many horses died. Yes, and it looks amazing to this day. And it's a five-hour movie. You don't need to remake this, but I did not know that the other reference, Lisa handing the whiskey to the guy is a very specific reference to... I didn't know this. Yeah, it's a very specific reference to Meryl Streep and the French Lieutenant's Woman.

That's right, the French Lieutenant's Woman. Really? I've never heard of this movie before. I had to scour for, like, what the fuck is this? I only know it's from that because I read it's from that. I've never seen that film either. Never even heard of the film. It was on the tip of my tongue which movie it was, but I didn't want to say French Lieutenant's Woman

in case I was wrong and got comment corrected. That sounds like a Simpsons joke about a movie I didn't want to say French Lieutenant's Woman in case I was wrong and got comment corrected. That sounds like a Simpsons joke about a movie Homer wouldn't want to see. Yes, exactly. It does sound like we'd be playing next to Look Who's the Only King. It's a 1981 movie starring Meryl Streep, and I think if you're praising Lisa's performance, we don't know she's doing an impression of Meryl Streep,

essentially. So the kids are destroyed, but they finally are going to get to meet the real Krusty. Wait, I have one thing to add before this. Please, baby. There's one line that always bothered me, and it is the act break for Act 2 between 2 and 3. Oh, it's shitty.

They're holding on to beams as a storm whips through their cabin, and Bart says an obviously replaced joke. I don't know what the original joke was, but he says, Lisa, I've been thinking it over. Next summer, I'm getting a job. I want to know what that original line was, because there's no sound effects behind Bart.

It's a very rushed line delivery, and his mouth movements do not match up. It's a very weak act break. And it's not that funny. Not really, no. That's why I didn't get you. What was the worst thing, or the thing they felt needed to be?

I really want to know, because it just kind of is weak and doesn't land right. And I'm complimenting this episode, because it's the tightest, it has the most jokes of any Simpsons show I've seen up until this point. I wrote down the middle chunk of this episode as just like a montage of good things happening to Marge and Homer, bad things happening to Bart and Lisa, like just nonstop little sketches about life at home and at camp.

I mean, them, Homer getting in the shower with Marge was pretty spicy. Yeah. Good animation, too. Again, all of this is great. All our clips are long and numerous. And, of course, Bart finally gets to meet the real Krusty, hopefully. After the ray of sunshine. Now, I must tell you kids, Krusty has laryngitis on a bad back,

so he won't be saying anything or doing anything. Krusty looks fat. He's really having trouble keeping his balance. He's still funny, but not ha-ha funny. That's not Krusty the Clown! What do you think? I slapped a clown suit on some wino? Yeah, bud!

I am so Krusty the Clown! Alright, that's it. I've been scorched by Krusty before. I got a rapid heartbeat from those Krusty brand vitamins. My Krusty calculator didn't have a 7 or an 8, and Krusty's autobiography was self-serving with many

glaring omissions. But this time, he's gone too far. We want Krusty! We want Krusty! We want Krusty! No, we want Krusty! We want Krusty! I thought you said you broke their spirits. We did.

You broke nothing. I love Mr. Black's, he won't be saying anything or doing anything to the hydrofoil but that's the thing every single line every single second is amazing so did you notice when Lisa was

handing out the packages to people she says Wiggum and hands it to Ralph Ralph would not officially be Wiggum Ralph Wiggum until the Valentine's Day episode. It does not look like Ralph. But it is Ralph's voice and he has his hair. Ralphie! My brownies!

Wiggum! A change of underwear! Crandall! More insulin! So someone named Crandall is diabetic. We also missed the final appearance of Sajruddin Mahabharata. Wow. The yoga guy.

The unsinkable Sajruddin Mahabharata. Mr. Byrne references his book in that episode, I think it was Blood Feud. And in this episode, we see him doing the yoga show. Yeah. Well, good piece of a spinner. And this is just a quick one. I loved it. Krusty being, he has to leave being knighted to attend to the camp.

That's right, yeah. Tom, the serf. Agent Cole for Mr. Clown. This better be important. I got out! Loved Krusty still being Jewish. It's strange that actors get knighted. Like, what did Krusty do to earn this privilege, this honor?

Local kids show clown. That's what I'm saying he's a surrogate for any kind of celebrity also I can't you know we don't live in a British Commonwealth or in England but speak for yourself I don't feel like the the queen looks too young I don't know she doesn't look I mean she looks old she looks younger than Scott Thompson did I was thinking the exact same thing. Trump is approved. Well, because when I think of 1992 Queen, I think of Scott Thompson

as the go-to queen. They say. God, I love Scott Thompson. Good old Buddy Cole. Give me Buddy Cole or the same person. And just, again, I'm watching this episode

capturing clips, ready to talk about it with you guys. And like, surely this is petering to an end. And then Kent Brockman shows up and it's just fucking awesome yes and it more great brockman i say that with no hyperlola has taken this camp by force three counselors are missing and presumed scared i'm being told i can have an exclusive interview with the ringleader

don't be the boy don't be the boy no i just want the whole world to know that this was a really crappy camp can i say crappy on tv yes on this network you can fox another fox so martin was being ribald no doubt on the same night yeah and also the them walking by that pig's head on a pike like that's pretty yeah whoa i know it's a it a pike, that's pretty. Whoa. I forgot about that part. It seems like a Lord of the Flies reference. We mentioned this in the-

No, Apocalypse Now. No, no, there's a ton of Lord of the Flies references. This episode in particular is flush with references. Speaking of Lord of the Flies, the Lord of the Flies episode they had was one of my lesser favorite ones. You mean DOS Bus? Yeah, DOS Bus. It just became a kid show of all the kids all the time.

It was very Rugrats-y. And then at the end when they're just like, shrug, we don't have to write an ending. They were saved by Mo. They're like, fuck you, we don't gotta write an ending. There is one pop culture reference I did catch this time. It was Crunchy punching out a Krusty punching out a photographer

like Sean Penn like maybe five years earlier. Photographing him and his then wife Madonna. And the joke about Princess Di more than just friends

like oh boy that Yes! Stop! Wait five years. Put on your seatbelts kids. Who would have thought

then that the Queen would outlive her by 20 years. Even the Queen Mother. that the queen would outlive her by 20 years? Even the queen mother. And the queen mother, too. So then when they rip off Krusty's shirt, those things are still always there. Well, not always there. Longhorn.

So, yeah, the cattle skull birthmark is not always drawn, but I think they do always get the two, the pacemaker scar and the superfluous nipple, which I think is specifically a reference to the James Bond film Man with a Golden Gun. Oh, really? Because he is in Man with a Golden Gun, which is a good little Bond film. It's where Christopher Lee is the villain. Christopher Lee is awesome as a villain. And he's the man with a golden gun, Scaramanga. And they don't know what he looks like because he kills everybody who sees him

and so to find him he has a third nipple and so they go looking for a man with a third nipple. Oh, I had no idea. And shout out to my buddy Melendez

who's got extra nipples. And Roger Moore actually wears a fake third nipple to pretend to be Scaramanga at a point in the film too. The final defining quality of Krusty,

the fact that he's not wearing makeup, will come about in this season with over triple bypass. And he always does have makeup on all the time anyway. But yeah, the pacemaker scar, I mean, it is a fact he's had a pacemaker since season one.

It's your rare Simpsons canon. Yeah. And I mentioned this in the Patreon-exclusive season three wrap-up, which we put up last week, patreon.com slash laser time first season's also there that's a whole hour chris i know it wasn't fun i love that uh but that uh escape from camp deadly which was made me work my ass off to get a game boy i always thought these things came in tandem but it was like a year in advance like that there's an entire one of the first simpsons games involved a camp scenario it was 91 this is 92 92 i mean it's

obvious to send the kids to camp for you know levels and stuff but it makes sense but game pitch maybe because of the nature of when this episode was produced the game was sort of pitched at the same time the they could have been pitched at the same time it's possible the game production isn't short i mean even for game boy it was even back then for game boy it still couldn't have been less i couldn't imagine it'd be less than six months yeah it's like yeah but but in it but even the simpsons at this point was like nine months of production yeah yeah but okay so they then apologized bart has a great line about i'd never put my name on an inferior product i don't have i don't have that one i I just, the very end of the-

That's my line of the show. Speaking of Camp Deadly. So this ending, we talk about, well, actually, I just made fun of The Simpsons for having the F you ending of, eh, maybe it's Moe. Let's say Moe. This ending is just like- It's the same thing. Okay, let's get to the end.

They go to Tijuana. Boo, it's the end. It is. It is a fuck you. We need to get out of this episode as fast as possible. That's why I feel like this was meant to be the season finale for season three because of the summer angle and this final scene of just like stills from Tijuana. It's a beautiful ending.

It feels like it could have wrapped up the season very neatly in season three. These Krusty lines are so... Yes. Krusty, this camp was a nightmare. They fed us gruel. They forced us to make wallets for export and one of the campers was eaten by a bear. Oh my god! Ha ha ha!

Well, actually, the bear just ate his hat. Was it a nice hat? Oh yeah. Oh my god! Ha ha ha! Well, I'm gonna make it all up to you. I'm gonna show you kids the time of your life. Get ready for two weeks at the happiest place on Earth! Tijuana! Tijuana!

This, I thought thought was bullshit because I Google everything. I don't know exactly what it is. Tijuana is not the happiest place on Earth. But it closed out with a song, South of the Border. I looked this up too. A non-Frank Sinatra cover. Dude, I didn't do that. I just went through fucking YouTube looking at like harry belafonte

perry como frank sinatra chris isaac uh fucking harry connick jr south of the border like none of these are the songs and i finally like look up the wiki and like oh it's a sound alike they hired someone who sounded like frank sinatra to make one that sounded like frank sinatra the frank sinatra version was the most popular though it originated in a the south of the border originated in 1939 film of the same name uh sung by gene autry oh yes the cowboys yeah and i watched it i watched i watched official gene autry one of his great grandparents must be making bank one of 30 hits on that video i i uh it 4,000, I think. I don't want to disrespect G. I did the same thing, Henry.

I watched like three G. Entry versions, assuming this would be the right one and like that the Simpsons made this song just for this episode. Yeah, but his version is much slower. This is the swinging version. This is the Sinatra version. Because again, they blew their money on Alice Cooper. I think they did, yeah.

Okay. Well, so Bob, yeah, we're at the end of the episode, but we talked about it some on the special one, but we should talk about the end of the Klasky Chupo era with this episode. This is the final Klasky Chupo episode. And essentially they just moved the machinery from one studio to the next. And really based on Gabor Chupo's comments in the unauthorized Simpson oral history, it was basically just to lay it out, he felt disrespected from the first minute because of that disastrous first episode that they delivered. And they should have been guilty of something in that.

But they weren't pioneering something. It's true. It was uncharted territory for everybody. Yeah, if we haven't reiterated that enough, there was no television animation on this level being done at all. All they knew was the Flintstones. The Flintstones and Saturday morning cartoons, which, again, the standards for writing and animation were not that high. But after that, they felt like second-class citizens. And the major problem was that the writers, not knowing how the animation process worked, would request changes after the color animation had come back.

It would take so much money and time to fix things, to change things. Pencilers, inkers, layouts, idiots. Everyone needed to be involved, and they were like, we cannot get changes this late. And so they pushed back too much, and the Simpsons were like, Gracie Films was like, okay, either you stop pushing back or we get rid of you. And they're like, fine, we can't do this anymore.

So that's when they moved to film Roman. And when they moved to film Roman roman the animators did get more rights they did get the the ability to say this is too late to ask for changes you need to ask for changes much earlier than this so i feel like it was it was partially classic chupa fucking up on that first episode and partially uh gracie films not understanding how animation works i think the overall animation improved like four five and six is better animation than one two that's for sure yeah um in season season four starts off a little rough with some funky looking homers i think of homer eating the moon waffle with his head like shooting backwards at a 45 degree angle

i love how wacky it looks yeah it looks really weird they took some time to get used to the the animation but i feel like it was a it was a pretty graceful move from one studio to the next but i also think of like another really off model homer we'll see is in the um itchy and scratchy the movie where like oh yeah it's like his head's too long or he's like too fat in like it's all over the place but i i do love the giant pupils of the early film roman stuff yeah prove me wrong kids but prove me wrong macaraning graining hates those pupils man can't stand him he thinks they high, but I think they're just so more... They're more expressive. I love anime, by the way,

so take that as you will. But is that it for the episode? I think so. Yeah. Let me just plug again the Patreon wrap-up for season three that we did. Patreon.com slash LazerTime

is how the show happened. People financed the show into existence the first season, the first 13 episodes of Talking Simpsons are exclusively home there. And man, that Oprah stuff. If you haven't seen it, it's on our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash laser time

or our Facebook if it's not permitted on YouTube. Animation you've never seen before and like a second of Sesame Street animation that you probably haven't seen before either. It is beautiful stuff. And yeah, then the whole first season is on there. $5 a month. It's all great. But Bob should do... Let's hear about Bob. I'll tell you who I am. I'm Bob And yeah, then the whole first season is on there. $5 a month. It's all great.

But Bob should do it. Let's hear about Bob. I'll tell you who I am. I'm Bob Mackie, by the way. You can find me on Twitter. Exactly. I don't hear that sound effect ever, Chris, and you're too lame. My computer's all broke. Where is it?

Okay, fine. Well, you can find me on Twitter as Bob Servo. I also do the Classic Gaming Podcast. Retronauts. Find it every Monday at retronauts.com or usgamer.net. And I also write for somethingawful.com every other Thursday. So go there for your comedy needs. I'm H-E-N-E-R-E-Y-G on Twitter.

And I write for fandom.wikia.com where I write about video games. I'm the senior games editor there, but I'm also still part of the Lazer Time family. I did a comic book podcast. You can go back and listen to the archives on that and I did one for Comic Con. I'm still part of the Lazer Time family and I also just had a little clip on the most recent patreon exclusive wrestling podcast

cheap podcast it's true and laser time podcast.com is all i'll plug i did want to say to you bob in researching i hate you and jeremy parish sometimes oh i'm sorry almost every time i'm like i'm gonna research something no one's ever done or talked about before, and then I get to the wiki and it's like, Bob Mackie said in a thorough review of Escape from Camp Deadly. I own the Day the Tentacle Wikipedia page, by the way. Really? Every citation is me.

That's great. So I'm proud of that. Every time I search for something obscure that I think no one's ever done before, you and Jeremy have generally done it at usgamer.com. That's my job. I'm a little stinker by the way. You are a little stinker. Yes. So that's my job I'm a little stinker by the way you are a little stinker so that's it for us this week folks we'll see you next week

when Marge encounters Tennessee Williams see you then south of the border down Mexico way that's where I fell in love when stars above came out to play. And now as I wander, my thoughts ever stray.

South of the border, down Mexico way. There she was a picture in old Spanish lace And just for a tender while I kissed the smile upon her face For it was fiesta and we were so gay. South of the border. Down Mexico way. Those mission bells told me That I must not stray South of the border

Down Mexico way Olé!