Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Kamp Krusty With Mike Mitchell

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

We begin the iconic fourth season in earnest with an amazing returning guest, Mike Mitchell from the fantastic podcast Doughboys, not to mention big films and TV shows like the upcoming Twisted Metal! We all reflect on our childhood memories of seeing this one live as Bart and Lisa head to a really crappy camp, plus we have some incredible new details as we have an original table-read draft of Kamp Krusty with some surprising changes. All that, plus many summer memories as we begin what many consider Simpsons' best season on the podcast! Support this podcast and get over 150 bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking Simpsons head there to check out exclusive podcasts like talking Futurama talking of the hill the what a cartoon movie podcast and tons more I hardly endorse this event or product product. Ahoy, ahoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, your number one source for unfettered hurly-burly. I'm your host, the Image Enhancement Camp survivor, Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today, as always? Hey, it's Henry Elbert, aka the Har.a. the Harlequin in the third row.

And who is our special guest on the line? Homer's body double, Mitch, Mike Mitchell. And this week's episode is Camp Krusty. Oh, how do I know this isn't some beautiful dream, too? Ow! You know, a pinch is more traditional. This week's episode originally aired on September 24th, 1992, and as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real-world history.

Oh my god! Oh boy, Bobby, Blind Melon's debut album is released, the SyFy channel launches with a broadcast of Star Wars, and Nintendo beats Atari in the courthouse over pirated Nintendo carts, or non-licensed Nintendo carts, I guess. They're now worth a pretty penny. Yeah, I know somewhere I have a Tengen Pac-Man with its weird cart that I didn't understand

was to bypass illegally, as the courts would find, the copy protection. I think the actual shape of the cartridge was a copyright, so if they made the shapes different, that was also a cheat. Right. And Atari's downfall was that they secretly reverse-engineered from the blocker chip that's in the Nintendo Entertainment System to basically they pirated software to

go against the internal Nintendo software and so that killed their lawsuit against Nintendo. We're nerding out too much here but I believe people from Atari actually went to the patent office and got Nintendo's information. Right, right. And just used that to make their own

games. That's even more illegal. And yes, the Sci-Fi Channel back when it was spelled S-C-I-F-I right and just use that to make their own games that's that's even more illegal yeah and yes the sci-fi channel back when it was spelled s-c-i-f-i channel starting with star wars that's a good time we in my neck of the woods we didn't get the sci-fi channel uh for seven more years until uh mystery science yeah when the mystery science theater episode of werewolf aired that was the first week i had the sci-fi channel oh we got it just before then uh and in my in our day henry they weren't showing star wars they were showing lost in space reruns farscape in mystery science theater they they spent the big money on star wars at first

and then afterwards they're like let's get the cheap stuff now and yes the blind melon album that had the song no rain on it yeah It's bringing back summer memories for me. Just that album. Well, I mean, I'm coming out of summertime, right? This is September. I was just, I was thinking, I was specifically looking at the date of this episode and being like, man, what a great time in life that was. Just, I was in fourth, going into fourth grade, I believe.

But I remember we used to share a house in Cape Cod with uh godparents and they had cable down the down the cape house like they had like the better cable box down the cape house before we had it at my house and that's where i found the sci-fi channel and i remember seeing like hellraiser on it and being terrified it was basically kind of my introduction to it was the tv i think that would be yeah the tv yeah i know the tv at it well was sci-fi at that point? Was it still a little bit? Was it a little bit more gory? Did they show more stuff? Or was it still kind of cable?

It was basic cable level of censorship. It wasn't like HBO. It was gay then broadcast, but still, they had to cut out the swears and the nudity. Mitch, that summer sounds a lot like when the Simpsons family, they stayed in Ned's house. Summer 442, yeah. None of us should attempt to say the name. Right, right, yeah. Well, I want to let everyone know that we're talking about Blind Melon.

Apparently, the B-Girl grew up to be a fully functioning adult, and she's doing fine. That's great. Yeah, that's great. That is great. That's great. By the way, my intro, I don't know. You guys are probably going to clean it up to make me look better and i appreciate that but i was opening up my notes for this episode well what i had written down and i just completely bombed there i apologize

that was done that was very funny and yeah this i mean then when i was watching this episode i i have rarely felt more uh similar in body type to Homer with his... Honestly, Homer's back is hairier than mine. But you heard him up front. Let's introduce our guest today, Mike Mitchell from Doughboys. Welcome to the show, Mike. Guys, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here for a great episode.

And, you know, we were talking summer before, a great summer episode. This is a great Simpsons summer episode. Like us, you're born in the best year, 1982. So we all probably had the same, nearly 10 or having just turned 10, viewing of this episode. Like we were Bart's age, about to enter Bart's grade. Or actually, no, Bob, you finished fourth grade. Me and him were about to start fourth grade. I was a month deep into fifth grade i see and i felt it very unfair that they would need me with a summer

episode as school it's digging its claws into me in this first month that's true that is kind of messed up but you know in the first few weeks of school it almost feels still a little summer you're just getting back into it and i don't know in elementary school i guess the stakes aren't too high either if i remember correctly it felt very but uh it did feel high then but but you know in hindsight i guess not i was i was entering fourth grade as well and i was about to turn 10 october 6th so not not far from uh from the from the date of this episode you and i are still 40 while bob is uh 41 then wow it'll come for you but everything changes but yeah mitch i i'm so honored we're so honored to have you here the i mean you know this superstar dill boys you guys are

about to do a bunch of live shows uh when if folks are listening to this on patreon your chicago live show is is just about to happen on juneth. That's right. Yeah, come on out if you're in the Chicago area. Yeah, we just did a show in Minneapolis, I'm guessing, or maybe this is before the Minneapolis show, or they're the same weekend. But Minneapolis and Chicago, I think we got an L.A. show coming up too in a little bit. We're probably very tired right now.

Future me is tired. I know one of the shows, Mike Hanford's going to be there. We had him on just a couple months ago talking about an episode where Fish guest starred on The Simpsons, where we could also talk about the amazing birthday boy sketch, that parodies Weekend at Bernie's that you guys all did. Oh, yeah. And the cleverly titled Weekend at Ernie's, I believe, is what it was. Hanford wrote that one. That sketch is great. And Hanford's so funny in it. Hanford and I, I went to college with Hanford, as I did with a lot of the birthday boys.

But Hanford and I really bonded over Simpsons. You know, that was a big thing that we both we both loved the Simpsons and watching episodes of The Simpsons together in Ithaca and in L.A. early on. We were both huge, huge fans. It's a real bonding thing for people our age. Absolutely. It really is. And if you have Peacock, and you should have Peacock, it's where Columbo lives, by the way, you can see Mitch in the Twisted Metal series coming on July 27th. That's right.

We're just about a month out from it now. It it's gonna be great you and anthony mackie on the same show it's great i love it me and anthony mackie and sweet tooth i'll be riding around with sweet tooth a little bit it's a lot of fun you're you're new co-starring with uh i mean yes anthony mackie a superstar he's great no relation but but i was most starstruck that you're working with samoa joe uh the professional yeah i worked a lot with joe too that was like the guy who i kind of worked with the most maybe and he's uh he's awesome he was great he made sweet tooth come to life he's he's i mean he looks cool as hell and he's also that sort of guy who like i'm a big dude but then there's like a couple times where he kind of like manhandles me a little bit like tosses me around and i was like

oh man i feel like a child in this guy's hand he's like he really i was like oh this guy is really strong he was a strong strong dude it's sort of like uh marge saying i thought i had big hair but then that trip to Graceland really opened my eyes. Very similar. It was, it was, it shocked me. He was like the, just the sort of guy who could like, I'm like, oh, you can just lift me up. And I'm, you know, I'm a big boy, but yeah, no, Joe is, Joe is the man. I loved working with Joe and I'm excited for people to see it.

It's like, uh, for, for listeners of this pod, it's like, think about Simpsons road rage, uh, uh, kind of a TV version of that. My husband said Twisted Metal 2 is one of his biggest gaming memories as a kid. And he's the one who tells me all of the lore from the original games that even I was like, oh, right. I forgot what happened in all those cut scenes. And he instantly knew who your character was when he saw the list of names. Yeah, we're like i i'm i play stew and i'm in a duo mike and stew and we and we're like in the video game we're kind of dumbass stoner guys basically we're kind of like i guess maybe rednecks we drive like a big monster truck

and i forget the name of it right now people will kill me for that but is it like bigfoot or something it's something it's like a big it's it's a big monster truck and at the end if you win with our characters calypso like we wish that we could fly and then we jump off a building and then calypso bought us plane tickets it's that twisted ending it's always a twist you have to ask your wish like homer does with a turkey sandwich he's a wish master style genie that clip so oh the car the car is hammerhead i i i googled it that's what it is hammerhead i think bigfoot's an actual monster truck yes so i'm yeah yeah so we're talking about video games i want to ask you guys this because i was a gamer american at the age of 10 and i still am today and a game came out for

the game boy in november of 1991 called the simpsons escape from camp deadly and there are a ton of similarities between that video game in this episode i think it's just a coincidence perhaps the development team was told oh we're making a summer camp episode maybe you can do something with that but i feel like i had a preview of this episode almost a year in advance because well burn like a relative of burns is the mr black figure but the bullies are there uh as counselors it is crazily similar yeah no i i did not play this game because i had been burned by bart versus space mutants after that i was like i'm renting simpsons games from now on me to buy them instead i'm gonna buy i'll ask for christmas this year i believe it was the i asked for the spider-man

game boy game which also sucks like you learn nothing yeah that's what you're saying the music and it's good though but well when i went to the wiki page for it i was like all right bob is the mate you are heavily sourced on that wiki page just because i wrote about all of them once in 2009 yeah i got burned that's funny my i got burned with bart's nightmare that was the super nintendo game that's the one i kind of got burned with where i was like it was like oh this game is like impossible yeah uh it was really really hard i remember i'm sure there's plenty of people out there who have beaten it and it's like it's not that hard and i remember like making some progress on it but it's one of those games i feel like when you lose it's just like i gotta start all this all over again and it's and it sucks but love that

simpsons arcade game didn't play camp nightmare was that what it was called oh camp deadly oh camp deadly yeah it's run by non-canonical relatives of mr burns yeah but with a great with a great bill morrison too. He's great. Yeah, as with all those games, the covers are the best part, right? They are meant to trick you. Like you go like, yeah. I mean, Bart's nightmare is fall through like the time tunnel type deal. Yeah, it's great.

It's crazy because the Simpsons arcade game was so fun. Like for arcade, I mean, like, you know, it's just like a quarter eater basically, but it was so fun like uh for for our i mean like you know it's it's just like a quarter eater basically but it was so fun at the arcade i was like oh this is a blast and then to like every simpsons game i played for a long time i was just like this these are all these are all bad and until like road rage was maybe right when things started to turn is that kind of when people started to like the simpsons games a little bit they briefly got above average again with road rage and hit and run but then it was back to uh skateboarding and no skateboarding and wrestling came before that like right before which made you still think oh even in polygon simpsons games suck and then road rage comes out you're

like oh this is good or uh well right before it, Road Rage is the crazy taxi one. It is, yeah. That's how it succeeded. They just took the video game Crazy Taxi in a legally actionable way, fully ripped it off. They were sued for that, and I think they lost. Which is probably why that one will never be remade. Hit and run, maybe.

And Mitch, last time you were on, we dug into it a ton there, so we don't need to repeat ourselves, but you worked on The Simpsons in as a production assistant correct yes i worked and i i wrote a little note about this because i as i know that you guys will cover and have covered before i'm sure is that this was this was the original attempt at a simpsons movie correct it was camp crusty yeah yeah yeah and i was gonna say mitch when you were working there i assume the hours were much different than they were at this point in time because on the commentary

aljean says they would work until about two or three and then show up the next morning at eight for weeks in a row jesus two or three in the morning then be there at 8 a.m yeah yeah it was well at the same time gene and reese were also developing the critic as well as as producing yeah they were they were doing post production on four on three starting the writing of four and also working on the critic but you know what abusing writers that's where good shows come from yeah it's the only way to make a good show but also pay them a lot we were pro wga me as well i should have said that too i did i support you know i'm excited about twisted metal support all those writers out there there's a great staff that wrote that show uh and michael jonathan smith

ran that was a showrunner he's awesome but um when i was there funny enough this all kind of ties together i started at the simpsons right after the writer's strike which i believe i told you guys the story is that i was working at the show shark with james woods that show was i was working in the post-production of that show and then that show was about to end i called the simpsons offices on the fox lot and asked if there were any jobs opening up and then they were like actually yeah and i was like oh man i talked to tim galpakis who worked at gracie films he put my resume on uh larina adamson's desk larina called me in and she said tim long recommended you and i didn't correct her and and then i got the job that's and then it was

history i got the job at the simpsons but it was right when the writer's strike basically i started working there right when it ended so we were in kind of crazy a crazy mode too where they were they were doubling up episodes and they were staying pretty late you know like 11 or midnight some nights but never never never two in the morning but it was the first the first couple months i was there was production would go pretty late so i guess i did i didn't consider that yeah they'd have to work it back up afterwards i think it's probably probably going to be a return to that once uh hopefully the wga gets all their demands met and everybody goes back to work yeah yeah no it's i i yeah think so. I think they're going to have the basically double time.

I think they would even do like two table reads in a week. And it's like they had never done that before. So it was like, it was wild. Different versions of scripts coming in. You know, I was new there. So I got tossed right into it. But also started working there right after the movie. The movie had just come out.

I went to the premiere of it. Well, I went to the premiere after party with Tim Kalpakis. I didn't go to the actual premiere of the movie, but I was at the after party, and then I started working there just shortly after that. I knew that this episode was the original movie idea, but I don't know how true that is or what level of an actual movie it was, but I'll let you guys explain whenever you want to, but I'm excited to hear. It does feel like it's the one time they ever said no to james l brooks uh you find by listening to the commentaries and reading about the history james l brooks a friendly guy a benevolent leader when he says he wants to do something you kind of have to do it because he his power led to the success of the show and why they couldn't take any notes from fox his idea this time was he sees camp

crusty before it goes on the air and he says let's make this the movie and al gina mike reese their uh pushback was we barely had enough material to write an episode and also we're working 8200 hours a week just trying to make this show happen but to uh to the credit of james l brooks i feel like this was a better time for a simpsons movie than 2007 would have been yeah but i feel like a movie at this point in time would have killed the show it would have brought the show to an early end because sort of like with beavis and butthead well that's the capstone that's the final statement of this show we had a good four or five years it's over i think well they'd have to stop the

show for like a year to work on it too that too or else make somehow make the work the writers work even more i don't even know if that's possible but yeah that's crazy yeah i think that they i mean it's a great episode and it's fun thinking that oh this like could have been a movie and i think it would have been i think it would have been maybe a a fun movie and i think you're right maybe it could have it could have ended things early and that's that's sad because we're just getting into this to me is like the kickoff of like this is like where simpsons gets starts getting really great in my mind season three is a really great season but season four which is the premiere of uh is uh it it takes the zaniness to a whole new level for sure though this though technically this is the last in

production of season three uh though it airs in season four and yeah they it's funny though that james l brooks. Brooks in 1992 suggested, pull this episode and then rework it into the movie. And I do see how they could see that like, oh, they're going to the summer camp. Like it's a whole new area and it's raised stakes. You get big action set pieces, all that. I can see that. But then they would follow this strategy again in uh the about 2012 to 2014 where they make the episode the man

who came to be dinner where kang and kodos kidnapped the whole family and they sat on it for two whole years because they thought this would be the sequel movie and it could be turned into a movie but for whatever reason it did not become the movie and so it just became a very expensive looking episode of the simpsons instead that's wild they that that that was gonna that just seemed that seems like a crazy movie idea to me is the kang like a kang and kodos for real yes yeah yeah it does sound like this was not a good time for this staff to be writing a movie just because of how tired and overworked they are. On the commentary, Algena is just talking about how miserable they were writing this and how they didn't have enough material.

So the Camp Krusty song was added later because without that, the show was too short. They just made it to the end with that song. And you'll notice that the opening is the full opening as well. They use every cheat in the book. If they had the big circus opening, they would used it oh and also i think almost all of the season four writers quit by the end of the season two so they're they're kind of well they both they they all get a bunch of like big offers and then they're like well do i want to stay till two in the morning all the time or do i want to develop shows for disney for millions of dollars

it sounds like some leave early like john Vidi leaves before his contract is fulfilled, and I think there's some disputes that are not on the record about that. That's why he had to do those friggin' clip shows. Yeah, and Kogan and Wolodarski leave, which is why Oakley and Weinstein were able to join. And actually, I saw them in the credits as story editors. Brother Can You Spare Two Dimes is their first on-screen credit for The Simpsons because by the time that aired, they were on the show as story editors. Awesome.

Yeah, Bill and Jossie are starting too. You guys have had Bill on your podcast more than once. Yeah, we love Bill. Yeah, he's been on the podcast quite a few times and a great guy. Legendary showrunner over there. He's awesome. Have you guys had him on the pod? Oh, yeah.

A few times. We've done interviews with him and Josh and them together. Okay, I thought so. And he has his own beer now. I can't wait to drink that beer. You're going to become a beer drinker. Mark my words. It's the Steamed Ham Beer, right? Basically is what it is.

Steamed Ham Society Beer, is that what it is? Yeah, which is on Patreon. If you're a patron of our shows, definitely sign up for the Bill Oakley one, too. Well, now it's time for a fun surprise. I've told Bob all about this and shown it to him. This is the fun surprise I have saved for Mitch. Oh, wow. I went to the extra level with research for this one because this is our third time covering it.

It is. I saw that the usual resources that would have the original script out there did not have them for this one and i go to ebay and see a relatively affordable piece of history here this is see here the original script draft for with attached notes to it of camp crusty only our accountant will know how affordable it was it honestly i it's part of the reason i jumped on it was like okay slightly over a hundred dollars and i was like this will never it's not getting any cheaper as uh to paraphrase the line this episode uh worth every penny i say so so this is the original script it also is noted for the

breakdown of music rights to uh pick up because this is addressed to the head of fox music at the time elliot lurry uh who was the lead guitarist for the band looking glass which did the song brandy's wow wow it's a great song bob here you can smell the musk on it here too of who's ever home this sat in for years it smells like a table read so now i had no no idea you guys were in the same room until just then that was oh yeah yeah sorry like a magic trick we broke the illusion oh it's truly a magic trick that blew my mind i thought you were almost joking at first when you were handing the script over i was like huh and then well there it is i have a treasure trove i think i told you guys maybe the last time i did but i have a couple boxes of table

read scripts that matt graining's assistant was throwing out uh violet at one point she's like these got to be recycled and i opened them up and i was like oh my god these are like you know like classic episodes that the table read scripts of classic episodes with you know homer's lines highlighted it means it was like dan's script i saved them all i saved two boxes worth they're like they're in my possession that's awesome i gave i gave one to a director of the birthday boys but besides that i think i have quite a few of them but i gotta i gotta i gotta i gotta rip those boxes open and see uh see what's in there yeah those those are priceless treasures of lost simpsons jokes that never made it to air and i know when we interviewed josh weinstein in his office in

the disenchantment offices he just pulled open a desk drawer and it was full of old table read scripts from his era and he was just paging through them he only had an hour with him he only had an hour he had to go to edit something for uh we should have next time with josh we got to do it but yeah that's wild so so i have a uh i have several notes of big changes from the scripts uh from the script and what isn't there i'm not going to go through every little detail but the there are a few in there and yeah even in the script is the flaw that is in this episode as far as making this a movie it is the middle of the script when they get to camp crusty like it is page 20 of 40 well mitch you also like you as a pa did you got you must have handled the table read scripts on

the day like that and addressed oh man all the time i remember oh yeah we we would mail them out to the actors they would get couriered at one point i think that that's basically what we did the entire time I was there was courier the scripts to the actors. But we would go through and we'd highlight all the lines for, you know, Dan. And then you just knew it was the way to learn who did every single character from, you know. Now, do I remember them all? No, not really. But at the time, I could tell you who voiced any character. But, yeah, we would highlight them, send them out.

And then, yeah, we would highlight them send them out and then yeah we'd set up the table read i remember some high pressure situations like when jim brooks would come to the table reads and like we were trying to i think teleconference like seth rogan in or something and it was like oh god it was like a nightmare it wasn't working and it just horrifying just scary scary moments but those table reads were always fun to see him do it live and and uh especially i was there i was lucky fun to see him do it live and and uh especially i was there i was lucky enough to see all of them in the in the room at one point now oh that's awesome our one table read didn't uh that we got to attend didn't have that kind of

high pressure because everybody was in the room there was not one remote person for for it really and kazaria was there and uh kevin pollock was there to read uh for skinner so yeah yeah julie kavner was there to say one line yeah which was what a good sport and tress was just subbing for nancy cartwright just to let everybody know who was there in place of people yeah so harry wasn't harry was not there of course no we weren't surprised we weren't expecting we were so happy to see hank his area like we thought oh well he's a busy man who stars in you know for a prestige cable series he's not going to be at this table read but i think that's why it was heavily attended the table read we went to

with like mike scully was there who wasn't even working on it he was just he was like oh thanks for the table read i'm gonna sit in on this one that's wild i i was i was there at a point where harry was coming to table reads and then you know he does i don't think he does anymore but a full house is great i mean seeing all of them even just one line from march that's great that's awesome you guys got the full experience that's cool now all of our listeners could fill out the table reads uh square in their bingo cards yep we've done it we talked about it yeah also uh 9-11 what are the other ones uh oh they changed this from the original thing.

That episode's full of this. Oh, those poor animators. The commentary, you mentioned the commentary. Our listeners have made bingo cards for us, Mitch, and they're pretty comprehensive. Well, I got to ask you, what did you think of the food setup of the tablery? Because that's what I used to be in charge of, too. We were too nervous to eat, but it was a good little spread of muffins and such. Yeah, I think I grabbed a muffin, but it was a good it was a good little spread of like muffins and such yeah i think i grabbed the muffin but i was impressed we we said hello to james l brooks as he was

grabbing a muffin and he was like uh hi but he's all smiles matt graney was the friendliest and he took a picture with us which oh and yardley yardley also took a picture of this she was very we told him we were simpsons podcasters. He was not offended. No, no. But not curious either. Yeah. He wasn't. Yeah. And that sounds right. Yeah.

No, that's I think you kind of nailed everybody, honestly, from what you just described. I think he assumed we were contest winners. I mean, we were certainly acting like it. Yeah. Just starstruck and nervous. But that. Don't worry. I think he assumed I was a contest winner, too, for my entire almost four years there this guy keeps winning contests

one uh just background on the script as well it is dated october 23rd 1991 there's there was a later draft that the guy had previously listed so this is one rewrite earlier in it much i'd say it's 80 percent 75 percent of what's in the episode okay yeah wow uh but of course this episode begins with a bit of cartoon history as in a uh in a in a way that they got the permission from both hannah and barbara the flintstones me to the simpsons in the couch gag uh drawn to look accurate to the flintstones they are not simpsonized or yellow they are the real flintstones and this meant a lot in a pre-ready player one world yeah pre-spider verse the handing of the handing of the torch of the late night uh animated tv shows did they use did they reuse this opening a lot like the the

flintstones one or is it only on this episode i think it's a one-off actually because it was special permission from hannah barbara they're they're in the credit so i think to rerun it they'd have to get permission again i i would call it a passing of the torch but i think hannah and barbara thought no like no we still have the torch this is the flintstones telling the simpsons you're nearing our level like hell welcome to the club you're not a flash in the pan though it wouldn't be until the poochie episode that the simpsons officially surpassed number of episodes of the original run of the flintstones wow the poochie episode that's wild it took a lot of flintstones out there i guess if you also want to feel old when this episode

aired the flintstones was 32 the simpsons are 36 now when we're recording this oh man yeah i think we did the math at some point and if the flintstones never stopped and ran as long as the simpsons has today there would be new flintstones in the 90s in the mid 90s oh man it hurts that does that that that that hurts a lot and you know what i want to see more interaction between Fred and Homer. I feel like we were kind of robbed of that a little bit in the opening. There should have been dialogue, yeah. Yeah, we should have seen something. But I like it.

I think it's a fun, I think that's a great couch gag. It's good to see the Flintstone crew. I guess Fred later comes back via the Flintstone phone. Yeah, yeah, and it's the real Fred. Yeah, the second Fred. Yes. There's now a third fred i think oh i bet we're up to fred four yeah at this point you don't become a friend without doing damage to yourself again we're probably when they when they wrote that original series like they were envisioning fred as a guy in his like mid 30s maybe or like

early 30s oh god that's yeah the homer dilemma of or i don't know if it's a dilemma more just it makes me sad is that homer is younger than me thinner than me you know like all these things where you're like man homer's like he's got it pretty great you you everyone becomes kind of a frank grimes at some point in their life where they're like the fuck how dare you has like a beautiful family. He's like 30-whatever, 30-something. Now, all of our perfect 1982 children have passed the Homer threshold.

Yep. Unfortunately. Oh, my God. That's so sad. The oldest they've said he is in an episode is 39. So, yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah. The Simpsons will be right back

Thursday on their season premiere You do remember your promise to the children You do When you're 18 you're out the door You'll see how the Simpsons spent their summer vacation Don't look in my closet In fact, get out of my room altogether. Bart and Lisa went to camp.

Don't we get to roast marshmallows? Shut up, meet your fine phone. While Homer and Marge vacationed at home. I miss them. You lie. The Simpsons. This was a really crappy camp. Can I say crappy on TV?

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at Hanna-Barbera. Then we get get a dream sequence which starts like a regular episode so the fun is how quickly it's revealed of like how do you know it's a dream and edna quickly agrees to changing his grades but also that uh yeah bart sexually harasses edna in this scene he there's a there's a lot of things in this opening where i'm like oh they i don't know if they would ever these would ever be in an episode now or again bart pulling out a machine gun in a school in a school yeah yeah just the general glee in destroying a school yeah has has different baggage sorry mitch oh no no i was no i mean like the edna stuff at first i was like whoa edna stuff and then bart pulls out a gun and i'm like oh okay well there's a lot of stuff that wouldn't fly for sure anymore it is i really love when i forgot that it was a dream for a second

because i love when bart and edna have that kind of funny weird relationship where she kind of loves you know when she's kind of sweet to bart in episodes where they're not clashing or whatever so i i wasn't sure at first if if it was a dream and i was like oh yeah it's a dream there's a gun and a blowtorch and i i feel really bad for the animators there's another one for a bingo card because they have to start the episode with doing a dream riot and then the episode ends with a giant riot as well so they have to draw two giant crowds destroying everything. That's crazy. And this is where they play Schools Out for Summer.

Originally, the song is played a little later. There's a bit with Bill and Marty at the breakfast table that's cut. They still planned on licensing the song. And when I hear the song, I think of how it is not in Wayne's World. They wanted Wayne's World for Alice Cooper in it. Alice Cooper's manager insisted on it being feed my frankenstein a new song and he's like well if you either do this so you don't get alice cooper that alone probably makes him millions a year just the licensing of that song oh yeah for sure now mitch i know so much stuff i know you're

searching for a hit song to record and release. That is true. You think I should talk to Alice Cooper? Well, I was going to say you could steal an idea from Al Jean on this one because he says this gets taken all the time, but if you were to write a Christmas equivalent of Schools Out for Christmas, that could become a Christmas hit replayed all of the time. It'll make a bunch of money.

So perhaps, Mitch, Schools Out for Christmas is the hit song you're looking for. That's a great, Al. christmas hit replayed all of the time it'll make a bunch of money so perhaps mitch schools out for christmas is the hit song you're looking for that's a great al that's a great idea by al i can't i can't believe that he never he never tried to make it i think he's right it's perfect it'll get licensed every christmas it would be used yeah it could be the next i feel like we haven't had a real new christmas standard since mariah carey's one so it could be the next. I feel like we haven't had a real new Christmas standard since Mariah Carey's one. So it could be the new Christmas standard. I'll bring Al his large decaf, nonfat, sugar-free, the vanilla latte, iced vanilla latte, and we'll talk it over. Because I think it's time for Al and I to work together again. We're learning Al gene's achilles

heel his drink order that's the way to his heart i remember to this day yeah i'll never forget al's drink order if you're right with him now it'd be a song that wouldn't be covered by wga so you could probably get he could he could actually write a song with you i would bet right he's got yeah he's got some free time it's a good point i'm him up. But yeah, so Bart awakens from his dream. In the original script, it's Marge that wakes him up, and there isn't really any joke. It's much funnier to have Homer wake him up and smack him in the head with a newspaper. Yeah, it's funny. That's great.

And man, school ends on June 12th. That was not my memory of when school. I feel like it was like late May or maybe the first week of june as a kid yeah for me it was the first week of june but then we went back the last week of august so yeah i had to go to school pre-labor day and yeah i hated that see we would go see east coast guy we go after labor day uh is when we start school and then we would go late into june it depended honestly on snow days but june 12th would be a i feel like that would be pretty decent when i was a kid to get out on june 12th but if there

were snow days you know sometimes you hit up to like june 20th or you know getting late into june so when we had snow days we had to just take do saturday school for a few days which oh my god i know i think back this was in arkansas by the way but i think back on that just like who cares if a kindergartner goes to mrs like five days of school like who gives a shit like yeah that's insane it's just the holding saturday school yes saturdays yeah in northeast ohio where i grew up we brushed up against that limit but never hit it but this episode i do want to say that we spend our adulthoods chasing the highs of childhood. Perhaps we start a podcast about it, trying to achieve that same high. Few things brought forth a better release of endorphins than being released on that last day of school.

At least I know Henry and I had no summer obligations. There was no job. There was no camp or anything. It was just TV, Mad Magazine, video games games and staying inside with the air conditioning on yeah greatest uh ruled you do get a bit of that feeling in the in the schools out sequence and then even when the reality version where bart gets his bad grades which then homer doesn't care about which is very funny as well i do uh auto's line is the one that speaks to me the most as a kid or as an adult now like wow three whole months of spaghettios and daytime

tv like uh well also as a kid like the only thing i'd eat at home would just be a pre-prepared thing like i didn't make my i i think it would be my like 14th summer by the time i learned to make my own craft macaroni and cheese which honestly feels too late i should have learned a little before that how to make my own it's a good skill man i need so much i need a full box of macaroni and cheese for myself and all the time that was like my dinner especially in high school or whatever like if i like got home and i slept until like after my family ate dinner or something i took a nap because i was just always i was a tired teenager and i came home from like being horrible at football practice and then like taking a nap and then i would just be make a whole

box of mac and cheese which i don't i haven't eaten i haven't like made mac and cheese the blue box craft in years and i and it was one of my favorite meals at one point i the last time i had it i felt weird i was like this is is the, like how much sodium is in this? Like I, my body's not ready for a full box of Mac and cheese. I think I actually, the last time I had it, I split half of it with my husband as, as technically the serving directions say you're supposed to do. I think the serving directions are like one fork full is all of your sodium. I mean, I used to be a full box boy, but I mean, I cut it now with like tuna and black

beans just to make it a little healthier if I want to like a quick, healthy meal. But I get three servings out of that now. I don't know how I could be a full box boy. Yeah, it's crazy. It's I mean, just just the fact I mean, it was like a quarter stick of butter, right? It's like a quarter stick of butter and like, you know, like however much milk to and then that that sodium packet of cheese. Like I had stomach aches all the time in high school. butter and like, you know, like however much milk too. And then that, that sodium packet of cheese. Like I had stomach aches all the time in high school.

I'm like, oh yeah. I was eating full boxes of Mac and cheese like three times a week at least. So that makes sense. We're lucky as kids. We didn't have what exists now that I saw being sold online. Somebody posted on social media, a separate shaker of craft just the seasoning like the the powder like you can just get it by yourself so you don't have to limit yourself to that powder packet you can just sprinkle on more as you see fit this is like easy mac territory when easy mac

came out i was like this isn't the same and i feel like a lot of younger kids like easy mac but i it just did not scratch the itch the way i wanted it to i guess it was good for college dorms or whatever but no so uh homer after being first reminded of his previous promise of when you're 18 you're out the door which is a great joke that's a great joke he then is revealed that no everybody has to get a c average which is one of those things we're like well this has to be technically applied to both children equally to not cause a fight. But it's like a C average is with no false modesty, something Lisa can easily hit. Homer, you do remember your promise to the children.

Sure do. When you're 18, you're out the door. No, Dad. You promised if Bart and I got C averages, we could go to Camp Krusty. And with no false modesty, you're looking at one happy camper. Yeah, well, just remember, when you see my report card, they got this whole new grading system this year. It now goes D-B-A-C.

Now, listen, boy, we have an understanding, and you'd better keep your end of it. I don't think I'd be any kind of a father if you got Ds and I let you go to Camp Krusty. But, Dad... Son, if you really want something in this life you have to work for it now quiet they're about to announce the lottery numbers 17 32 5 8 47 no but yes i have also felt the only in college where uh i really slacked on my grades this feeling of how to prepare parents for like uh so you know the uh they send out these things later now the uh the grades like that one part's doing when you're in college you're an adult though are you still obligated

to show your parents your report card well if your dad's a jerk who pays for it and holds it over your head then yes yeah. That crazy mailman. He just doesn't know what he's doing. My mom, my senior year, I was in, what was it? Was it geometry? Whatever. No, I think it was, honestly, I think it was advanced calculus was the class. And I got into college and it was my final semester in high school.

And I failed the class. And I didn't, you you know i didn't care anymore i was like school was over basically it was one of those situations and she's still to this day we'll talk about it she's like you failed that one class i'm like ma i was in college it didn't really matter at all geometry you weren't like gonna be a math major in college like yeah yeah it just didn't it didn't it didn't matter i know i think she was mad just because i was well actually i went i was gonna go to school for engineering and then i went for computer science oh and i'm on your mom's side yeah

yeah yeah i messed up no no but i mean as a 40 year old still something she'll bring up it's insane so they kind of reuse a joke from just a few months earlier in Dog of Death of Homer reacting to the lottery. I wonder if they, like, even is going, doh, doh, doh, woohoo, doh. That's the same joke in Dog of Death when they're reading the lottery numbers from the same season. I don't think it was a callback. I think they're very tired. Yeah. They arrived at the same joke.

It's not in the script. Not in the script. Oh, okay. My mom, speaking of moms, my mom had to explain the measurements joke it's not in the script not in the script okay my mom speaking of moms my mom had to explain the measurements joke of bart's locker combination i it feels like such a gen x thing like i don't know i i mean of course millennials ogle people based on their body but do do guys know the perfect measurements for women or what a 36 bust means or whatever like is that is that the same as uh as it was

for this joke with bart i don't think we're talking about the uh measuring tape anymore i think we're talking about cup size i think we're just using thick with two c's to describe people uh we don't ever talk about the hourglass the hourglass figure which is what that is that's right yeah it's also i i feel like what watching it this time i didn't i was like did i ever pick up on that joke i mean i've watched cam crusty since then but i was like as a child i certainly didn't get that joke it's like you know they sing about it and and baby got back and stuff right it's like that's like a oh yeah yeah which maybe is like where i had heard it once before but it's very funny for i my thought on this episode is kind of like it's

kind of like a horny a little raunchy episode it's like a little bit raunchier than than uh than i remember being first of all with bart sexually harassing edna krabappel and uh and then and then this and then there's a couple more there's a couple more instances of it which we'll get to later but uh this is a very horny episode yeah i so yeah in bart's locker here's another big cut joke they had a call back to crepes of wrath because in bart's locker is the frog in a jar from that episode that bart had completely the joke is bart forgot about it until now and the frog is still alive in the jar and he says man you're a survivor dino and puts the then lets him go out so perhaps it was cut because it was uh animal violence sort of uh gag also making people remember capes of

wrath not a good episode bart's the savior of france it's the it's the secret they a family goes somewhere first episode i wonder if i would have remembered that reference even when i if i if that was left in the show and i i would i don't remembered that reference even when i if i if that was left in the show and i i would i don't think i would even get it at that point for a brief time bart having a pet frog and his lucky red cap were the same level of of known bart qualities yeah i love that lucky red cap i love the red cap but dino i don't remember as much uh so this is when lisa gets her first b and she is freaking out. And I have a quick clip of it because Yardley is so funny in this.

I've never gotten a bee before. How could this have happened? I feel so dirty. The dirt's not coming off. Okay, calm down. This must just be a little typo. Oh, Miss Hoover, there appears to be a mistake on my report card. You gave me a B-plus in conduct?

Now, Lisa, everyone needs a blotch on their permanent record. Prats, I'm not making myself clear. I think you should reconsider. Lisa, you're hurting me. And Hoover's great, too, because she just wants to run out of the clock. She's like, I have nothing else I want to say to you. Like, your children are nothing to me. My day's over.

Just let's be quiet. Yeah. It's also funny. She's giving the grade for, sorry, she's giving the grade for Jim, I guess, in this scenario, too. Just a B-plus in conduct to intentionally give her a blotch on her permanent record. That's it. Oh, it's conduct. Okay.

I thought it was Jim or something like that. Okay. Isn't that a later episode? Yeah. She actually gets an A-plus in Jim in this one. She's failing Jim, which is why she joins the ice hockey team in season six. That's right. Arguably, she's getting that B-plus in conduct for injuring her teacher joins the ice hockey team in season six. That's right. Arguably, she's getting that B plus in conduct for injuring her teacher on the last day.

Yes, though. But they are, I mean, they're making the show a lot more cartoony. Lisa is not just a straight A perfectionist. She's also having a panic attack when she has a minor flaw in something. And with an adrenaline rush, she's physically stronger than mrs hoover an adult there's there's also a great like very bland character behind lisa in that scene did you see this guy he like kind of has like a homer looking shirt on i don't know yeah that white kid with like the messy blonde hair right yeah there's this episode this episode has a lot of great like bland character like and like when they're singing the Camp Krusty song, there's a Lisa clone,

like a woman who looks exactly like Lisa, which maybe you'll talk about later. That kid is so distracting, and all I was thinking was, Matt Groening couldn't have been happy with that. No, that was Eliza from Lester and Eliza. Oh, yeah. That's right. So in the original script, there's a different explanation for why she has a b plus in conduct there's a tiny flashback of janie asks lisa what the date is to data test

lisa talks and then uh miss who was like no talking and then that explains why lisa got it the original line when lisa approaches hoover hoover is that when she asked her to change it hoover says well you know asking me to change your grade is actually bad conduct so it's kind of a catch 22 is what she tells lisa i like that they just didn't even they didn't even bother yeah it's more just a teacher was a jerk for no reason just like give lisa b because she's sick of lisa being such a striving state straight a student though there's also a weird episode because they never graduate they'll be back in second and fourth grade in the next episode they will not be students uh in the third or fifth grade yeah and also so david m stern wrote this he also wrote bar gets enough the season two opener in which bart graduates the

fourth grade so there's two episodes in which they both graduate their own respective grades but then move on to another fourth grade episode the next week i was thinking back to that episode too because bart has to not get f's like because if he got he has d minus the lowest it can be because if he got an f that he'd be held back as established in that episode and that's daniel stern's brother right david stern yeah yes yeah yeah the the home alone superstar well i mean he did lots of stuff but he's he's always going to be a wet bandit to to our generation he's a city slicker henry we know this oh sure he's also and oh and talking about uh mitch's favorite sports team he was also wasn't

he the star of celtic pride oh yes that's right yeah i think he's i think he's in celtic pride which we don't have much of right now uh hey oh there's always next year always next year we see bart trying to make his appeal to edna uh he's trying to say like oh my thing's perfect uh my book is still in great order uh and i love her duly noted uh this is when he gives her the when he gets his grades he repeats this it was so subtle i was like oh wait this is a joke he repeats the thing he said in his dream to her in his dream and here he says if i don't get at least the c average my dad won't let me go to camp crusty but this time she's like well then have a delightful summer so it shows dream versus reality i love that and then the kids get out at

at three i was a 2 30 kid i just had to note that our school started so early it was we were like seriously i remember having to leave the house at like 6 30 in the morning to get there for seven seven or 7 15 school started it sucked yeah i think we were yeah seven seven seven 45 was our our late bell or i think yeah i think our like you're late at 7 45 or that was maybe the first bell i don't know but yeah we were 230 we were 230 kids and and the kids go crazy the bit of them learning how world war ii ended and then he makes them go into patriotic fervor of flipping over cars standing usa so good the kids are actually that that isn't in the script nor is references to vietnam either so clearly right after they got that draft in they're like wait skinner being a vietnam vet

we learned is funny we're gonna add a reference to the fall of saigon here are they referencing i'm sorry are they also introducing willie's animosity towards skinner in this episode yes yes yeah this is another bit when he leaves willie uh to take care of this place for the whole summer in the script it's just written as like willie mutters but this is the start of a new running gag of his weird insults that that will build over the next few years oh that's great when does skinner stop referencing vietnam does that come like uh he does it for a few more seasons i'm guessing right i i think i mean it feels like they never retcon that because we've

seen homer now as a uh a child of the 90s unfortunately but skinner i think they keep the vietnam thing intact uh and i feel like they may change it soon just because it is he'd have to be in his 80s i guess at this point yeah it's at best it is lightly reference i feel like they haven't truly i think they definitely say he's still a former soldier but they after the arm and tam's aryan episode i do feel like they light up on it after that episode sure which we say is a good episode we are not this is a pro arm and tam's ararian episode podcast all right hey i did i you know i didn't love that episode but i also don't hate it the way people do either so i'm kind of in the middle i'm hoping that we've helped change the opinion just a little

bit or shift it let people rediscover it i'll re-watch i'll re-watch it now i'm gonna re-watch it when you re-watch it consider that they know that it would piss people off and that was the intention. The episode is about the way the entire town turns on the change and forces it to return to normal. That is their internal commentary of expecting that people would hate that they would retcon something with Principal Skinner. So it's actually pretty brilliant.

I think I've been around those writers too much when they're intentionally trying to piss people off including myself no i don't i don't want to make you repeat stories but the story folks should just go back and listen to your first episode where you tell the tale of being bullied by conan o'brien and ian maxton graham at the same time oh man i ruled oh that's a good story i mean that was that was one of those days where i was like oh it's cool it is because i had worked there for a while at that point and then it was like hey it's cool to work here but yeah conan kept calling me an asshole if you uh if you listen to the story we were hearing a lot of the new england classism there just like oh you're from

uh worcester worcester worcester uh they look down on you right yeah I was I was I'm a Quincy guy and he's Brookline I believe right is that where he's from and uh he was just like kids like you used to beat the beat the shit out of me you asshole and then he kept going and then he saw me a few times over the course of that day and he kept calling me asshole but he was he was great he was I mean it was it it made my day and in ian uh you know ian knew that he i called him to get his lunch and then i was like god i'll go upstairs and get your lunch he kept telling me to come up and then it was to reveal that conan was there so ian ian was uh ian was doing me a favor the two world's tallest men together that's true i know simpsons would be

a good basketball team speaking of which i probably said this on this this episode too but i have the basketball that they used to that conan used to play basketball with oh no i haven't heard that story yeah i got the basketball uh i think when someone was cleaning out hmm did someone give it to me too it might have been someone who gave to me but it's signed by conan and greg dan and someone else, a third person. I know Odenkirk would play games with him, but I don't know if he would have been on it. Oh, you know who gave it to me was Terry, one of the sound guys there. They all would play basketball during the day. And then I had Tom Brady sign that basketball.

So Tom Brady's autograph is now a weird collection of people who have signed that basketball. Everyone's favorite quarterback signing a basketball is so funny. I should give it back to Conan at some point if I ever talk to him. It's from his, you know, it probably means something to him more than it does to me. Oh, yeah, yeah. Though he, I feel like he wouldn't let you know it got him. He'd probably joke around, like, throw it in the trash right in front of you. I don't care about it. Yeah, you know what? Well, yeah, I'm going to keep it instead.

Screw that. It means a lot to me. So Bart, after being told to at least forge plausible grades, which that's an important lesson for all of us out there. Don't go crazy with A pluses. If you're going to make up a lie to a parent, have it be within reason, something they could believe. That was such a flashback to trying to have parents, especially when I was in middle school, when you get warning slips. And I'd have to have my parents sign warning slips. And I was like, is there a way I can get them to sign this without them knowing?

Or can I forge this? You know, I've been in Bart's shoes before. I felt for him there. And then we get the Krusty commercial with a ton of crazy horse riding in it. And it's Legolas in this scene. It feels like it's just to punish the animators of like, draw him perfectly riding a horse doing crazy stunts. Like animating horses is really hard.

And they're decimating the corpses of Native Americans on purpose. That's a selling point for him. Yeah. He's like, Ooh, an Indian burial ground. It's cruel, but I do love how hard he had said for you fat kids.

Yeah. The way he hits fat. Castle castle that is great as always here so bart will you be joining me in the bucolic splendor of camp crusty you bet check out this hand all aces a plus oh bart why didn't you at least forge plausible grades? Hi, kids! Only one week left to sign up for the bestest summer ever at Camp Krusty! Camp Krusty is built on an actual Indian burial ground.

We've got archery, wallet making, the whole magilla. And for you fat kids, my exclusive program of diet and ridicule will really get results. And the best part is, when you come to Camp Krusty, you'll spend the summer with me! On his dungeon! I love the animation of the fat kid and turning into the skinny kid and Krusty's reaction to it is so funny it's so great

and this is also where he makes his greatest sin to Bart promising that you'll spend the summer with me honest engine and this is where he's the biggest cut that I wish was in the episode that was in the script they do a sequel joke to the mount splash more joke if you remember the crusty song i want to go to mount splash more they they do a sequel joke to that of while they're at the campfire

they end it with crusty starting a song that goes please send send me to Camp Krusty. Send me, send me, send me, send me now. If you don't let me go, I promise suffering. Send me, send me, send me, send me now. So instead of using that, they cut that and added the Camp Krusty song, it sounds like. Yes. Yeah. Which is a longer song that fills a lot more time. Yeah.

But I wanted to ask you guys, are any of us camp attendees as children? Did any of us actually go to camp i did day camps but no sleep away camp it looks like mitch raised a finger mitch you're your camp i i'm i'm a camp goer and this is like probably right around the time i maybe was going to camp for the first like sleep away camp for the first time maybe the next summer you know what probably maybe inspired by camp crusty i'm sure first i went to camp fatima which i always have to tell people is not a fat camp it's a our lady fatima uh so i didn't go to the crusty version of a fat camp but i went to camp fatima and then my mom actually she still sent me uh but she had

found out that their a priest had gotten in trouble at the camp uh which i'm sure you can figure out and then the next year i went to camp burgess which was i think also like it was a ymca camp so i guess there was some sort of you know catholicism or christianity yeah yeah yeah yeah it just cuts out the priests and replace them with rowdy teens instead yeah there it was less it was that was like uh camp adama felt a little bit more really like you saw priests walking around and then uh and then Camp Burgess was not it was not that. But I loved it, too. I loved camp was a lot of fun. Mitch, you said that things like this got you ready for camp or got you into the idea.

It's the same thing with me, because I feel like all children's media around this time was gearing kids up for the idea of camp. Because, you know, I watched Ernest Goes to Camp. I watched Camp Candy. I watched Salute Your Shorts before this episode aired. I watched this episode. At some point in my mind I thought, well, I'm going to camp, right? And I ran this by my mom and she was like, no, camp's expensive. You're not going to camp.

To be fair to my mom, she was a single mother living with her mother. I was living with my grandma. There was not camp money, but it was then I realized, oh no, camp costs money and not everyone gets to go. I just thought, well, I'm a kid and all kids go to camp and they have these adventures. But not all kids go to camp. They really pushed the, you're right, that they pushed this idea of camp.

I wonder if camp is as popular. There's still sleepaway camps. I'm sure it is. But it felt like something in the zeitgeist at the time or something. Like, it was like, hey, it's camp time. It felt like, and I had done summer camps before i did theater camp that was like a stay you know not it wasn't it wasn't a sleepover camp it was a day camp or whatever but i had done a few and then i went to sleepover camp for three years maybe four years but i loved it i'm sorry you missed out no i i only did day camps

uh that was to not have us be at home my mom was worried that we'd you know burn down the house and we're left alone but i think by the time i was 12 that was when she finally was like all right i know you're just gonna sit around watch tv all day just do it she said you've mastered mac and cheese i have nothing else to teach you i'll tell you this you guys didn't miss out too much on the food is bad and you like you get bit by ticks you know what i mean whatever it's you can have as much fun in your in your neighborhood as you can there's new kinds of bullying you open yourself up to new kinds of bullying also kids would like cry you know like some kids would get to camp even like including friends and then they just like start crying

you're like oh some kids can't do this either you know what i mean it was uh it was interesting no i well like shows like salute your shorts told me that i would either be treated like donkey lips or sponge and in either case i was like didn't seem that great for those two characters i don't want to go there i'm right there with you i'm the classic combo of donkey lips and sponge sadly uh i see myself as more of a pinsky yeah you're a pinsky figure yeah you, you're a Pinsky. I'm actually a Michael. I don't like that. Then you're writing off. Michael's cool as hell.

He had to leave. You got to go home with what, chicken pox? This is deep. This is deep Salute Your Shorts lore. They only made 20 episodes, so we've seen them all 40 times at least, right? Yes, at least. Can you watch Salute Your Shorts? Is it streaming anywhere?

It would be on Paramount Plus if it's anywhere, but I don't know. Yeah, I wonder. You know what? Bring it back. Bring a new season of have them all be adults and they're back at camp. Just do it. Why not? You remake everything else.

Just do it. Well, Pinsky is a big indie rock star now. I don't think he'd come back. Oh, wow. He was the male half of Rilo Kiley back in the day. Oh, wow. Okay, yeah. But if people want a fun history of Salute Your Shorts, as we always like to do, direct

people to our pal, the YouTube channel, Pop Arena, and his Knick Knack series, because the Knick Knknacks history on salute your shorts and like it's it's at least 45 minutes long and digs into everything you could possibly know about the making of that show and it's it's really good but okay because bart finds out that he will get to uh have a salute your short style summer because as he takes it to Homer and Homer goes like, you got greedy. It is the parent's bluff, which is your parents say these things to try to influence you to do better in school.

But if you don't, they still will go like, I didn't want to have you around. Punishing you is harder than just letting you do the thing. So forget it. Just go. I didn't want you around anyway, as Homer says. Don't! Stupid roller skate. Well, Dad, here's my report card.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Hey, Plus. You don't think much of me, do you, boy? No, sir. You know, a D turns into a B so easily. You just got greedy. So I won't get to go to camp? Now, Bart, we made this deal because I thought it would

help you get good grades, and you didn't. But why should you pay for my mistake? You mean I can go? Yeah. I didn't want you hanging around all summer anyway. Oh, Dad. You're the best father a boy could ever have. Hey, son. Now you've got little hands. Could you reach under that mower and pull out that skate? Never mind. I love Homer also just mowing over all the items on the grass. It's great. Him telling Bart to put his hand under the thing and Bart almost does it, that fills me with so much.

Like, that is a real anxiety point for me, that type of stuff. It's so funny. Quick scene of Bart saying he's gonna swim naked uh and it's it's written n-e-k-a-i-d in the book in the script too how is it how is it spelled uh n-e-k-k-i-d naked wow that's how i that's how i spelled it in my notes that's uh that's that's great and we find out uh but at about like five years how much bart loves an unfurnished basement oh yes he's he is he likes going naked that's true i you know what as i say this naked thing i just want to be fully yes i can 100 confirm pulled out the script that i uh that is uh the n-e-k-k-i-d that's hell yeah but they added the

after the script they added the, after the script, they added the Homer showing up with his hairiness, which is Homer's hairy back is not stuck around. No. Or his chest hair, really. He's usually drawn pretty hairless. You could tell, though, that there's not a lot of camp material

because they're still getting ready. And I feel like they could have started act two at camp, but they didn't think of anything fun for Mr. Black. He just kind of leaves. There should have been a confrontation. I feel like that's what's missing from this episode. And maybe that could have been developed more in a movie. After Lisa being condescended to, I like that Hibbert, he's trying to be like a fun Cosby style doctor.

Well, that sounds weird to say, but a friendly doctor. And then when Lisa, she doesn't, he's trying to have like, oh, you're fun. Let's have fun. You're a kid. I'm joking around with Wally pop while we pops. Lisa goes, just tell me, save the condescension, just pushes it aside. And she's right. They're going to be in a lot of like health trouble.

She should have all these inoculations before going to camp crusty. She was right. Yes. She was a hundred percent right. They delay the arrival at camp even longer in the script because they also go to herman's uh to buy like canteens and sleeping bags and there's a joke of bart wanting to buy a landmine but marge won't let him do it so so they even delayed it longer jeez i would have loved to see a little glimpse of herman's that would have been fun but uh but

probably good to to get Camp Krusty. The Marge crying at the table because she said they're going to leave, that reminds me of my own mom. I was just talking to her like, oh, you know, I'm about to move soon. And she's like, oh, don't mention that. You're going to get me crying. And so this is one of those like Marge is my mom moments type of feelings I get. It's very sweet. It's a sweet moment and then

also that this it goes into the thing i like which also they're just wasting more time before camp always thinking two steps ahead i kind of love that bart is like appreciative of homer that instance it's a great schoolyard rules kind of scene that like that teaches kids oh in real life if you're trying to claim a food and somebody then licks it, then ruin the food for the other guy. That's the next step in the upping the ante. We're getting a lot of loud eating noises here. And I think we're hitting the end of this era because Matt Groening always hated it. Yes.

Even though it's very funny. I love hearing it. I think it's just the sound he hated. It's clattering dishware and also like, ow, ow, ow, that noise. I love hearing it. I think it's just the sound he hated. It's clattering dishware and also that noise. I love it. Mac Randall, you were wrong in this instance. It's very funny. He's wrong about pupil size.

He's wrong about eating quizzes. These are some beautiful big pupils in this episode, by the way. The behind-the-scenes secret is because this is one of the episodes sent to Anavision, not ACOM. the behind the scenes secret is because this is one of the episodes sent to anavision not a com and anavision drew uh in korea did him with the biggest pupils which i love i love the big pupils same here so now it's time for the kids to go off to camp as a guy oh sorry mitch oh no i was just gonna say as a guy with tiny eyes i am jealous of those big simpsons pupils. It's so cute. Not worth it to interrupt the sound clip, but that's what I had to say.

But yes, the kids are all heading off. We'll see you when you get back from image enhancement camp. Spare me your euphemisms. It's fat camp for daddy's chubby little secret. You promised you wouldn't make a scene. Goodbye, my special little guy. Lisa, watch out for poison ivy. Remember, leaves of three, let it be.

Leaves of four, eat some more. Goodbye. Goodbye, Mom. Goodbye, sweetie. Bye. Bye-bye. I miss you every day. Don't look in my closet.

In fact, stay out of my room altogether. If the pets die, don't replace them, I'll know. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Don't look in my closet. In fact, stay out of my room altogether. If the pets die, don't replace them, I'll know. Yay! Don't come back! Boy, they really ate up a lot of time with that bus driving away. Yes. They really did.

I also like we're in the era in which they're voicing the dads for the first time and the voice actors are just doing imitations of the children because with bart's friend falls in love it's the first time millhouse's dad talked and he just goes it's a miracle making fun of how pamela hayden sounds as uh as millhouse this one it's dan costaneda doing an impression of Lucy Taylor doing Martin. Yeah. As an adult. Fat Camp for Daddy's Chubby Little Secret. That hits me. I feel Martin's rage toward his father there. It still hits.

I mean, now even. It just is. Yeah. It's great, though. I love Martin having to go to Fat Camp. It's awesome. And it's a side of Martin we don't normally see. Like, this is a a spiteful unhappy martin not the grave grubbing also as a kid homer's pot joke flew right over my head uh that's the big that was my big takeaway

from this is that i was like i maybe have never because i've re-watched this episode millions of times so i was like i maybe have never even just like acknowledged that joke in my head and as a kid i certainly didn't get i certainly didn't get it but as an adult i've I've rewatched that episode and maybe just wasn't paying close enough attention. But I'm like, oh, he's talking about eating marijuana. It's so strange. Yeah, I'm sure as a kid I thought, oh, he's wrong about something. Yeah, Homer just said it wrong. Though, you know, for a script as crazy as The Simpsons, they got to be smoking it every day.

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are like we're gonna have we're just gonna like have sex while they're gone like this is a very simpsons thing of like the kids are gone we're going to enjoy ourselves which i which i love in this episode it is crazy to think i feel like it didn't really affect me but as i'm thinking of us as like 10 year olds or near 10 year olds seeing an episode that says to us your parents want you not at home so they can have sex and have and live their lives and be happier that is a big message to give to kids of just like hey your parents actually would be would love it if you were not there yes 100 percent uh but uh so they head to Camp Krusty. The bridge falls out. Your first sign that things are wrong.

And again, I just have a quick clip here, but this is one of my favorite scenes in the entire series. Hi, kids. Welcome to Camp Krusty. I'll see you in a few weeks. Until then, I've turned things over to my bestest buddy in the whole wide world Mr. Black I want you to treat

Mr. Black With the same respect you would give me Now here's Mr. Black Thank you, Krusty, and welcome, children I am Mr. Black, your head counselor For the past 15 years, I was president of Eurocrustyland. Until it blew up.

I'll take any questions you might have. You, and then one more. Can we call you Uncle Blacky? No. Last question. When do we get to see Crusty? He will be along eventually. In the meantime, our counselors, Dolph, Jimbo, and Kearney, will be happy to handle any problems you may have.

Looks like we got ourselves a troublemaker. Wendell was never seen again. Mr. Black, the perfect bland corporate evil to run this place. Oh, man. So good. I feel like as a kid, i'd never seen a joke about like bad editing of something of mr black just dropped in after the fact and the crusty's mouth is all wrong for it which to do an animation they actually it's one of those things where you

have to tell the producers overseas in korea i know we tell you very strictly to stick to the mouth charts all the time on this one you actually have to intentionally get it wrong that's so funny i i mean that whole run of that whole run of mr black and uh can we call you uncle blackie and and then uh looks like we got ourselves a troublemaker it's just so such funny jokes all in a row hamford hamford and i used to quote mr black to each other all the time mike hamford yourford and i used to quote mr black to each other all the time mike hamford your former guest that's like that's one of the funniest simpsons jokes i'm with you and i think they predict the trouble for euro disneyland and uh traditionally known now as

like disneyland paris because during the writing it was uh in progress it was about to open it opened in april of 92 and it was very unpopular when it first opened we get the joke in itchy and scratchy land of my children need wine when the when the guy is trying to beckon people into euro itchy and scratchy land now it's very very popular they had like an opening slump basically it's crazy to me it'll it mentally well i've never been there it'll always be euro disneyland to me even though it's been disneyland paris for a very long time but it's always euro and it was a joke then of like oh this is if it's euro blank it's a shitty version of a thing and they definitely added it late because in the script uh mr black is coming over from the crusty brands housewares department so that's why he's an executive who basically

the the gag is he's an executive who fucked up, who his punishment is being in charge of Camp Krusty. That's why Mr. Black is there. I think later we find out this used to be an abandoned mule tannery. Oh, yeah. That's right. And this is the point of Jeff Martins, but he's right. The bullies actually work very hard all summer at this job i mean they're mean but they work really hard the entire summer they're getting

cigars and brandy yeah yeah we have a quick quick cut back to homer and marge doing it in the shower which is again like you said mitch earlier very risque a raunchy episode i mean yeah they really there's some the animation gets a little wild here at points you see you're seeing some stuff yeah it's a it's a horny it's a horny ep it's a it's a it's definitely a horny episode and we know from our uh podcast that director mark kirkland marge is often naked in his episodes and this is no exception he's he's a fan of animating he is hey she's looking like a babe in this episode uh so and homer is looking better than ever in a few scenes too yeah yeah yeah yeah they both they're they're looking good they're they're a power couple right now they look great uh we have a quick bit of them uh getting into the their camp

bunks and they're told it's ts that means ts for you which of course we know means talking simpsons or tethered swimming right again another straight like like oh i was like tough shit wild all right i i don't i didn't remember that that that was in there either but shocking they got away with that yeah speaks to the kind of wildness of this episode i like it and this bit about the crusty brand seal of approval which has been in many things including i i have a i have a crusty brand bucket hat that has this seal of approval on it it was why i wanted it i was like oh it's got the seal of approval wow though though in the script they have a good joke that was said on the brand that they didn't have which is the k stands for quality k-w-a-l-t yeah but of course uh and also that crusty is in the original script instead of

a clock that gets very hot he approves lawn darts and drain cleaners with crusty's face on it i really like how the benign clock is the most dangerous thing in the room, where it's a clock. It should be plugged in at all times. That's how a clock functions. But just, yeah, yeah, it gets very hot. Don't touch it. Oh, yeah, if you plug it in, it gets that hot.

And everything, I just like how everything is sparking and overheating, but the Pez dispenser has a razor blade sticking out of it. So this is seemingly designed to hurt children. This is no accident. The way Krusty says, I'm off to wimbledon this is more of aljean and mike reese getting some uh some fun knocks in at their old boss johnny carson who would take two weeks off every summer to go to see wimbledon in england

like he was a big tennis fan and apparently also he got to be somewhat anonymous there i mean he still got to be a rich VIP at it, but British people, most of them, I don't think, had access to The Tonight Show, so they had no clue who Johnny Carson was. That's hilarious. That's really funny. I mean, I just can't think of a way

I'd want to spend time off less than going to Hamilton personally. Well, you'd instead go to pro wrestling shows to see Simoneone perform your best buddy yeah that is that's we got to go backstage at aew and i and i saw joe and it ruled that so i guess that's my wimbledon i am so jealous of that that pick all you guys together there i was like oh man that's so cool henry is literally green right now i'm taking a screenshot of our recording here so uh so then we have some fun bits about how messed up the place is that they're told to shut up and eat your pine cone which the way that's delivered has also stayed with me for forever great line though in the real world again folks you know the perpetrators of this are bad but

just like our wga pals know the people executing this it goes from the top people who want to cut back and max to maximize profits like crusty that's why these conditions are so bad it's not just the managers doing it it's also the executives above yeah it's more it's more on mr black and crusty and the higher ups you know jimbo jimbo and and dolph and kerney and you know jimbo jimbo and and dolph and kearney and you know like uh they're not to blame too much you're right they were they were doing a good job honestly they were working hard i'm saying they were just following orders and that's a perfectly reasonable thing to say also in the script they have kearney do a ha ha like haw haw i think they mixed i think david stern mixed

it up and forgot that's what nelson says uh and it's also weird nelson not this is before nelson got to be part of the trio of bullies like he's he's a bill bully independent of jimbo dolphin kearney that's sad he would have i think nelson would have been fun on this episode but he could have helped him out and and said ha ha they're gonna kept it in also the the statement of ain't getting any safer like uh i think that way a lot of the time too like you know it's not getting any safer we have a quick cut to camp starving there in the script they directly say full metal jacket style guy like so this this is intended to be a full metal jacket style drill instructor that's great no i just i love that segment there and also the uh the segment where ain't getting any safer when when the boat just collapses some great animation right there it's

it's a lot of funny visual stuff i of course feel horrible for these fat kids in this like i've been i i've been there i still in there i'm putting myself through a personal fat camp right now i'm counting my calories 1500 calories a day i'm trying to stick to oh my god oh that's that's rough uh just the thing of you have to do a pull-up i was like yeah this really like reminds me of being that age and not being able to do a pull-up and everybody's looking at you everybody yeah then though we get a big the big song of the episode that is not in the first draft clearly added because they're like this is short on time we need two minutes of song in this here and just like with all the songs in a streetcar Named Marge, burned into my frontal lobe because I had songs in the key of Springfield, heard this a billion times.

So every note, every inflection, I just know personally and intimately. Me too. Hail to me, Camp Krusty, by the shores of Big Snake Lake. Though your swings are rusty, we know they'll never break. Larry, faster! From your gleaming mess off

to your hallowed baseball field, to your sick and spent infirmary where all our wounds are healed. Hail to Zeke Camp Krusty Below Mount Avalanche We will always love Camp Krusty

On register, trademarked by the Krusty Corporation All rights reserved. The version that's on that album, I believe, is like 90 seconds. As it airs in the TV show, I believe it's 90 seconds. I think it even starts with, all right, you balls of pan drippings. Yeah, yeah. But in this, we all like it at 90 seconds. but what if it was five minutes long what then i never asked for this well well too bad bob because you heard it on the godforsaken yellow album uh mitch are you aware of the yellow album i am aware of the yellow album just because

i worked at the simpsons but yes yes, I know of the Yellow Album. The cover to the Yellow Album, great. Amazing. A great job by Bill Morrison imitating the Sgt. Pepper cover. But it is, as Matt Groening says on the commentary, it is an unfinished album that was released somehow. And it sounds like some sort of legal shenanigans happened there. And everyone is weirdly pitched up way too high,

and it sounds, but it just sounds off. It sounds off and wrong, yes, but there is an extended version of Hail to the Camp Krusty on there. It has new lyrics in it of Otto singing that he's the bus driver there, which he is not. Otto's not at the camp. Martin sings about being at the fat camp. Okay.

Lisa sings about her problems and then has a sax solo and then bart at the end like rocks out for like 90 seconds of real filler he's like can't stand it camp crusty can't take it camp crusty oh my god it's rough and i i mean i know why matt grating didn't want to release it he's like they but they thought the yellow album when they were making it around this time simpson sing the blues sold millions of copies so they're like well let's make a shitload of money again with a second album yeah you know it's it's funny it's it's always interesting when there's something that comes out that they that they hate i was there but this is this is not an official one but i was there i think i maybe told the story i was there when the book came out the the the behind the scenes

simpsons book authorized one unauthorized one yeah i was there they were they were having a story retreat in the bungalow building and i mentioned i was like did you see the book i said it to al and then him and jim brooks started to talk about it and then he had me go and get copies for them both he's like go out to the store and get copies for it and then the writers the next day were like hey thanks a lot they like were sitting and reading that book for like most of the night i was like i'm sorry i messed i messed up i didn't mean to do that uh but yeah that for me when i was there that was uh one of the things released that they that they did not like no i i can see i can see why you'd not like that if you're well if you you want the

authorized story not unauthorized ones if you're them sure yeah of course yeah it's a nice song i like the song and the action is fun bart running down the mountain looks so weird like he actually just looks like the cover of the camp deadly video game almost and they reuse that footage in a later episode right i think it's uh the boy who knew too much when he's being chased by skinner yeah they just shove it in there it's very distracting because i was gonna say i've seen that avalanche animation a lot and i was thinking maybe it's also used in commercials like i feel like i've seen it used for like Simpsons commercials back in the day. I think it was in those Cindy, like the, when it first entered syndication, I can imagine it of the voice over guy going like run to your TV.

And then you see Bart running down the hill to like, and watch Bart five times a week. Yeah. Yes. That's a hundred percent. I like, I was like, I've seen this clip so many times. I mean, I've seen the episode a lot, but Mount Avalanche, is that correct? Is that what he's running down? And so after the song, we then have a quick bit about Imitation Gruel,

which that is such a funny joke. You're serving us gruel? Not quite. This is Krusty Brand Imitation Gruel. Nine out of ten orphans can't tell the difference. Yo, Mr. Black, another brandy. Gentlemen, to evil. Marge, since the kids left, I lost five pounds.

Oh, that's wonderful. And look, new hair. I'm this close to having a comb-over. Meow. Lights out, losers. Yeah, we're meeting some tail on the other side of the lake. I feel like I'm gonna die, Bart.

We're all gonna die, Lise. I meant soon. So did I. Nine out of ten orphans can't tell the difference they're so cheap they won't even gruel is supposed to be cheap garbage like it's sloppy feed children but it's imitation gruel so even cheaper and also i think i think of those like say the david zaslavs of the world going to evil at their tables. That's definitely a studio thing to evil.

That's a, I mean, Mr. Black is so funny because you're also like, Oh, I didn't really know. He was like, I knew the camp was bad,

but I didn't know that he was evil till this moment. I guess like, uh, I know that you said that there was like a story that he's like related to Mr. Burns that they didn't include. Right. But like in that moment where he's just like, Mr. Black, and that's all you kind of know about him and that he has, like, a horrible staff and the camp is bad. But then, and not until that moment where you're like, oh, he's an evil guy.

He, like, he's a piece of shit. I had no idea. I mean, it's one gag, but they are running a work camp. Yes. Yeah. You know, so that scene is not in the script so i'm now wondering if that was like a note from brooks or somebody high up or a graining of like hey we need to know these guys are bad like uh and so they're like okay they go too evil it's so funny

uh it makes me laugh it worked i mean also like the bullies like drinking brandy it's just is great they're smoking cigars drinking brandy uh illegally we should arrest mr black just for this so uh we then cut back to homer he is slimmed down i'm getting close to the homer tummy size now on my on my restricted diet here but his comb over is making himself horny he i know he's like and and clearly marge is up for the action because she is sleeping in bed naked as well but his comb over is making himself horny. He, I know he's like, Ooh, and this, and, and clearly Marge is up for the action. Cause she is sleeping in bed naked as well as, as Kirkland likes to do.

Then meanwhile, the kids are freezing to death and their surplus army surplus blankets. Uh, I love again, the joke of like, I meant soon. So did I. Yeah,

that's great. Bart is certain. He's about to die. Yeah. That's, I mean, when you think about it that way, you're you're like oh i didn't realize that the children were close to death when i'm re-watching it but also the line right before just to go back into the raunchiness of the episode is we're meeting some tail on the other side of the lake which is yeah which is crazy to me that the book that's that that that was said in the episode it just uh it ups the raunch factor but yeah the

i love that that joke there is so funny and that the kids are all about to about to freeze to death i guess yeah yeah bart bart's certain like well we're definitely gonna die like this is it and yeah to know that it's freezing at night in the summer like like what a horrible horrible place they're in so uh then we cut to the tennis game this when you know this it's easy to see this was all laid out by brad bird who loved drawing crusty and the way the way these very specific way crusty is eating his strawberries and cream is definitely feels like brad bird specifically animated it with intention like the way he goes like strawberries they're just smacking his mouth there and he's watching in case you don't know about tennis superstars of

the late 80s he's watching a match between Ivan Lendl and Boris Becker who were huge tennis guys in 89 they had a very big Wimbledon match in that year oh wow again very over my head I had to google their names like oh Lendl must be this guy yeah so over my head is that I just didn't even bother with the Google. I was just like, okay, something I don't understand. And he says, Landell, Landell, choke, choke. Of course, the point of Wimbledon is you're supposed to be very silent during tennis games. Like, you're supposed to politely clap after a match. And unbelievably, the queen lived another

30 years after this joke though she's quite youthful in this uh caricature she does yes she does she looks like monty python's version of her in the 70s yeah yeah yeah sitting right next to crusty as well that's a funny duo and yet as angry as she seems there she's still gonna offer him a knighthood at the end of it uh sometimes when i'm working out i do think like homer's size strength agility but it's very rocky training thing uh but he's like he's in the best shape since ever marge sends that letter home or to camp this is one of the few that kerny doesn't confiscate because he wants to eat it in front of lisa to i guess really rub it in her face that he's stealing her things jelly bean cookies right that was i was like what the hell are jelly bean cookies that that's a very like weird mom thing that's right up there with her jello mold that sounds

like they do suck yeah yeah they sound bad we're Kearney's side here with that review. He's saving Lisa the trouble. And this is when Lisa lets us know that she no longer fears hell because she's been to Camp Krusty. Dear kids, I hope this letter finds you well. We are doing great. Your father is in the best shape he's been since, well, ever. Thanks. Drinks.

Agility. We miss you terribly. I hope these jelly bean cookies will tide you over until you get home. Hey, Simpson, tell your mom her cookies sucked. Dear Mom and Dad, I no longer fear hell because I've been to Camp Krusty. Our nature hikes have become grim death marches. A snake bit me.

Back in line, maggot. Our arts and crafts center is, in actuality, a Dickensian workhouse. Come on, wimps. These Gucci walls have to be on the streets of Hong Kong by Friday. Bart makes it through the days relying on his unwavering belief that Krusty the Clown will come through. Krusty is coming. Krusty is coming. Krusty's coming. But I am far more pessimistic.

I am not sure if this letter will reach you as our lines of communication have been cut. Now the effort of writing has made me light-headed, so I close by saying, save us! Save us now! Bart and Lisa.

Kids' letters from camp. She complains now, but when we go to pick her up, she won't want to leave. Lisa, I've been thinking it over. Next summer, I'm getting a job. I do believe this is where it's getting a little repetitive, where we're like, we've seen all these scenes of them having a bad time. Then we have a song of them having a bad time then we have a song of them having a bad time and now

lisa writes a letter home with a list of more things of them having a bad time like i can see for aljean's side that he's like how do we extend this to like even a 90 minute movie of just like do we just show them having more bad times that's a reference right that's it seems to be a reference i don't know when she gives the letter to the man on horseback yes it's a reference to very popular film the french lieutenant's woman from 1981 the meryl street movie i always forget it's a reference until it's pointed out just seems like an old timey thing there to be funny where lisa gives a courier whiskey as a payment yeah the guy's supposed to look like the j's Iron Man in there. But even like French Lieutenant's Woman,

that is a very forgotten movie. Even if you were alive and seeing movies in 1981, you still barely remember it, I think. It's not one Meryl Streep won an award for. It's like an attempt at a new Dr. Zhivago kind of thing. It's a period piece with a lot of earnest yearning i believe in it definitely the ben her bit is much more obvious of of kerny hitting the drum shirtless yeah that's you know that was part of my job when i worked there was if they if they want to hold not not being shirtless hitting a drum um i did ring the

cowbell for for lunch that's true but if you if they wanted to reference you know if they wanted to reference a movie or whatever you would go out and basically buy the movie at kevin smith's there was like a dvd store on on pico right down the street from the fox office i believe kevin smith owned at one point oh really um yeah and it was it was a great man i wish i could remember the name of it but it was a great dvd store that i now has now probably gone out of business is my guess but they had like deep cut blu-rays and dvds and stuff like that so probably then a pa back then at least had to go to a blockbuster to get french lieutenant's woman uh oh 100 yeah

or just bought it i don't know they're don't know. Because they would have it for weeks or whatever. That's true. They got the money for it. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. But I have been in the, Krusty is coming. Krusty is coming.

I've felt that a few times before. I've felt that with certain wrestling shows where I'm like, okay, it's going to be better. CM Punk's coming. CM Punk's coming. Who was the Mr black of ecw todd gordon okay yeah not paul hayman is the good crusty and then uh yeah but uh but yeah so oh sorry i said ecw it's aew well yes that's how much i know well okay aew the mr black would definitely be mjf then i'd say yes well it's hard because

because you know kayfabe and all that so he i mean but he is he's the evil he is mr black of he is the mr black of aew i think that's i think you're i think you're right and of course our pal dan hausen is the crusty of aew i'm in over my head already we've we've had dan hausen on the show our only wrestler to date but well we'll see if we can work on that wow i love it we've we've had dan hausen on the show our only wrestler to date but well we'll see if we can work on that wow i love it we're we're gonna have uh we're doing twisted metal month and joe is gonna come on the show i believe oh hell yeah oh yeah i'm excited it's right up there with hearing what simpsons writers eat is hearing what wrestlers eat the diet of a wrestler i'll say this you know i always saw walking walking around oh my god now i forget his name so this story is worthless but i have another wrestling story

anyways who was the guy who was in ecw and he's like an athletic guy and uh an athletic guy uh like you kind of like a high flyer uh rob van damme i used to i used to see rob van damme walking around the near the fox slot quite a bit and then i remember one day bonnie who was the casting uh director at simpsons she knew i liked wrestling a little bit and she was like hey can you give bret hart like a ride to the airport and i like actually couldn't do it it was like a thing i would have to do after work and i had to go do a show and i was like man i want to do this so bad and i feel bad that this wrestler is like we got you a ride from like a guy who's a fan and i had to be like i can't do it i know i know i'm so jealous man but i mean it didn't happen i

messed up it was bad oh that's uh that's such a cool hey that's still a great story that's still yeah yeah poor bret hart he got there we've been mentioning aljean a lot on this there's another funny bit around this point in the episode on the commentary where aljean is saying something he wouldn't say now beats working for disney yeah he says on there oh wow when matt green talks about working at an old folks home washing dishes that's what he says beats working for disney that's so of course we hear how nice and kind and great disney is now yeah. Al Jean's talking about 1996 Disney. He's not talking about the great 2023 Disney and the wonderful leadership of Bob Iger. He loves working there now.

It's also, okay, Bobby asked me this beforehand. It is very weak the way Act 2 ends here. Bart's like, next summer I'm getting a job. It's also mixed really weird. Yeah, I thought there should be sound effects happening. Sorry, Mitch. It's just this very bad ADR. Yeah.

No, I'm just saying, yeah, I'm right there with you. I mean, I wrote that down. It's bad ADR. I was wondering if it was added at the last second or something, or I don't know why. Or it was maybe going to get cut, and then they decided to keep it in, and then they just did kind of like half audio it's really strange it was definitely a very light rendition because or sorry i read the word rendition in the script as i was saying that

it was a very late addition because in the script act two ends with homer saying ah kids letters from camp when they when we go to pick her up she won't want to leave so they that is a that that uh is a late edition probably even a retake maybe but so i can't tell you what bart's original line was but yeah it just sounds all wrong and for a joke that's like it's fine but it's not like a huge nobody's remembering that joke 30 years later no it's it has that like i think when i watch current seasons one of my bigger complaints is the sound design and it has this is like really bad sound design it just is a weird dead moment kind of but you know what we're going to it looks like we're going to commercial break there right and yeah

yeah i guess who cares yeah i just i mean it shows you this episode is very funny it's a classic lots of great gags but it shows you it's kind of listless because the act two break is uh hey camp is bad this camp they're at have you seen it did you hear it if you haven't got it yet this is a bad nothing new happened it's just oh no it's still bad you know that fireworks joke i love it every time especially because homer seems to imply that even on their picnic with maggie there he's about to have sex with marge but then he's like he says it so sexually but then when he moves it off it's like no no i mean i have actual fireworks here we're going to explode them all right here that's that to me is that funny thing of like oh like even in an episode where you guys are having sex all the time you still are getting this wrong somehow like uh homer's in his sexiest mode and he still is talking literally about

fireworks like i love that moment he's very turned on by these fireworks he's so excited for it uh so then mr black is here to finally present them with what he had promised them uh and bart's about to lose it he's like he's gonna bring his food and water and smite our enemies and i think in my first viewing i knew it was barney i don't think i mean it's i think it's supposed to be obvious to regular viewers not like in the script it's actually written as weird looking crusty on stage and only once he talks does then it in stage direction say barney's voice comes out so it is barney in the script but they kind does then it in stage direction say, Barney's voice comes out. So it is Barney in the script, but they kind of hide it in the script until like the second page. And there's a little more back and forth between Mr. Black and him.

And also Krusty is being brought out in lieu of dinner. Oh, yes. Yes, I love that line. That's a great line. What does Barney call himself as Krusty? Oh, he's Crunchy the Clown. Yeah. Crunchy.

I am so Crunchy the Clown. And he calls Bart the clown yeah i am so crunchy the clown and he calls bart by his first name he ruins the illusion completely because crusty even though he's met bart a couple times does not know his name so and also we've i think we've said it many times on this podcast he won't be saying anything or doing anything that's a great way to present something it's a great way like if somebody is at an event uh against their will just to make an appearance i always think of that yeah oh yes yeah if you follow the video game world e3 which doesn't happen anymore was a big video game conference and every year some celebrity would be brought out and just not into it at all to

make their three minute appearance and i think of think of the Mr. Black line every time. But yes, this is when Bart has been pushed too far. See? I told you Krusty would come. Just like I said, he's going to bring us food and water and smite our enemies. Now, I must tell you kids, Krusty has laryngitis on a bad back, so he won't be saying anything or doing anything. Krusty looks fat. He's really having trouble keeping his balance.

He's still funny, but not ha-ha funny. That's not Krusty the Clown! What do you think, I slapped a clown suit on some wino? Yeah, Bart, I am so crunchy to clown Alright, that's it I've been scorched by Krusty before I got a rapid heartbeat from those Krusty brand vitamins My Krusty calculator didn't have a 7 or an 8

And Krusty's autobiography was self-serving With many glaring omissions But this time, he's gone too far We want Krusty! We want Krusty! We want Krusty! Yeah, we want crusty we want crusty we want crusty yeah we want crunchy i thought you said you broke their spirits we did you broke nothing let's get him to the hydrofoil and they never brought mr black back he is in one comic book not canon of course but this is it

for him maybe that's why he's so special and funny but i just feel like he needs his comeuppance yes yeah i i agree well so that is the last big change from the script there actually is a come up it's in a real comeuppance too for him here all the kids chase after him and the bullies and it is uh paced like it is a zombie outbreak like mr black is chased to his cabin he locks the door the kids smash the window and he jumps out another nearby window i i wanted to read uh oh yes he he twists his ankle and hobbles back to the to his cabin oh and the sergeant gets chased after too by at the fat kids camp as well wow and they corner the bullies and capture the bullies too oh and dolph like trips over like a home home alone style like trap and he's trapped in a pen of of popsicle sticks

as well and the kids swarm him yes they all descend on mr black i wanted to get the exact uh wording here the children's arms bust through of the wall of the cabin a la night of the living dead one grabs black around the neck he screams wow and that's the last mention of mr black in the script so there's gonna be a dead parody to kill mr black yes yeah instead it's just to the hydrofoil yeah i know i just imagined that the hydrofoil blew up or something what what exactly is a hydrofoil it's a boat of some sort i think it's like a fan boat i think i think it's like a speed boat oh okay when i when i imagine a hydrofoil i imagine the the big ship that jackie chan battles in rumble in the bronx that's the one

i'm thinking of also i I have read autobiographies where I just say to myself, self-serving with many glaring omissions. I'll tell you one book that isn't like that. Bob Odenkirk's recent memoir. We talk about it all the time, but it's really great. Yeah.

Love that guy. The Birthday Boys got a shout out on that, which was very nice of him to do this for a little shout out. He mentions a sketch I i wrote too which is great yeah i know you you i was so happy that you guys i was ready for glaring omissions no one would blame him for not wanting to talk about let's go to prison but he's like no i'm i'm i need people to know that you can make something you're not proud of his career was so jam-packed that he didn't even mention being a writer on conan yeah yeah it's true insane also in the violence barney is beaten up too which i'm really glad they don't do that yeah i like that he joins in with the kids and he's stopping in place he

agrees with them barney shouldn't take the brunt of anything there that's that's messed up he's a victim of mr black too he's just some wino who got tricked into dressing up like crusty uh also the that me i know that we already talked about the mule tannery but what exactly is a mule tannery it's just i i believe just where the hides of mules are treated okay all right that's what i figured okay just kind of a grim place that this was beforehand. It was very, just a slaughterhouse for her. Just a place of suffering. Bart frees all the fat kids, as you would say. I feel for Martin with his just like sweet, nourishing gruel.

Like he's been starved for weeks. This has a great slop all over his face. Sweet, nourishing, grueling. Kowalski! My brownies! Wiggum! A change of underwear! Crando!

My insulin! Farge, you said you were going to name it Camp Freedom. Eh, this has more zing. I dub thee, sir. that's a great part line too my chunky brothers uh gorge yourself on the trough of freedom yes uh it's that's that whole segment that's great and then we got kind of a weird uh ralph who who's who gets a change of underwear and he's called out his wigum and this is before the big revelation in the in the valentine's episode this season at first i was like man is this even supposed to be ralph but i mean it's ralph's voice but his head is wrong his head's a little too long yeah yeah

you know uh we're going a little long but uh they really are tapping into uh unwittingly the whole kid power vibe of the early 90s the nickelodeon thing i feel like that wasn't the intention but i think that was why it was so popular this episode with kids around this time oh yeah i kind of love too there's that kid side of me that still loves just like summer vacation and i get excited for my sister as a principal and i might get excited for when the school year ends yeah i think we were all raised uh we were raised by tv no uh but we were all raised by the nickelodeon ad campaigns that were all about like the kids finally get to go crazy and your weird teacher with her crazy glasses uh she's getting slimed she's getting slimed and it's time for kids rule yeah yeah this i i don't know how

intentionally it was but it definitely does feel like they are just adding more darkness to it with this it is of the same vein as like the kids going wild like this how different is this from the ethos of getting to go through the toys r us fun run that those ads would make you think like oh i can get to run wild and toys r us grab every toy i want oh boy oh man which it still existed well there's no toys r us let alone a fun run anymore hey go to canada they still have toys r us oh okay wow we got to push for a simpsons branded toys r us fun run in uh in canada only wasn't toys r us one of those stores that was killed like it didn't have to go out of business but it was just like for like the people who owned it were like we're putting it out

of business basically right yeah i think mitt romney's company was hired to gut it i think it was a bain capital thing yeah it was one of those like get this folks it's entirely legal to just buy a successful business put all the debt you have from another business onto that business and then close that successful business because you can just move debt around as a rich person. Like, it's why everything goes away now. It's why you don't get to keep why a lot of TV shows don't stay on streaming because you can just move debt around. Venture capital is like one of the worst things to ever happen to entertainment in the world. God, awful. ever happened to entertainment uh in the in the world god awful yeah but hey let's let's remember

the happier times of our of our childhood running wild and then also they cut a scene where lisa in the script which i wish they'd kept she frees a pony that was at the camp and she's riding it around the camp like yeah i wish i wish she'd gotten her i i guess it would be the same horse that that guy was riding uh when she gave him the letter. That's sweet. So yes, Bart becomes the revolutionary at the camp as they're tearing it apart. They're tearing down all the crusty stuff. Later, they'll burn an effigy, which nothing burns like an effigy, as Homer says in season

12. And Bart is on a speed run as a revolutionary because when him and Lisa agree it's going to be Camp Freedom, but then nope, it becomes Camp Bart. It's got more zing, as Bart said. Come on. Camp Bart is cool. He's not wrong. It's cool as hell.

And we have a huge appearance next of Sudrudin Mabaradad, who Homer will meet in the flesh in his final appearance in Homer's Triple Bypass. When Homer is seeking different religions, he has no idea what to say. That right he's like well you know i've not been the best nah forget it he just walks away that's right that's druden babaradad too yeah it's uh that that name has to come from somewhere and i really want to know it's so specific it's a late edition too because in the script they're watching beaches together oh what a weird reference yeah wow honestly beaches would have the the yoga one went more i was like what is this i get like referencing yo you know like at that time like hey we're into yoga or whatever and this is kind of a different thing especially in the 90s or whatever i i was just like i don't know what this is trying to reference specifically and i don't

i'm not gonna attempt to know whereas beaches i would know yeah is beaches is there a joke about beaches in the script or the fact that they're just watching it it's just that they're watching beaches and it gets interrupted by the news report that so i guess it follows a similar pathway of homer is doing a thing with marge that he'd never do like marge would do exercise all the time but hom Homer would never do exercise yet alone yoga but beaches I mean back then the idea of a of a regular man's man watching a girly movie like beaches like that that's a joke in and of itself yeah I did enjoy beaches as a boy though yeah I don't think I've seen it actually uh Bettedler and mayim bialik together oh hey

i like mayim bialik i like her uh oh well and she said you know and she's all right we need to do a full mayim bialik breakdown right now to see if it's okay to like her yeah she said some weird stuff but she also hosts jeopardy now with with ken jennings i don't know she seems to be doing good on that show. She seems to be doing good. Yeah. Yeah. My breakdown is she's perfect and has done nothing wrong ever.

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has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels, and much more. Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, your home cozier, I mean, the one thing she's done wrong, she never put the blossom hat back on after 1994. Bring it back. She spent years on Big Bang Theory and it let her rebrand as like perfect nerd girl

and then be be on the host of jeopardy yeah i mean i think she's a smart person too i'm not saying she's a pretend i'm not calling her a fake nerd oh that's that's gonna be my rebranding i'm gonna try to do the same exact thing i'm gonna try to go on some some nerd show and then host jeopardy yeah well i guess it would be young sheldon so you need to get cast on young sheldon the last four seasons of it or and you know that's already a pretty big payday you know he's quite old now yeah yeah i might go for old sheldon young sheldon that actor has to be like 16 now right that is not a new show oh no yeah he's been around for a while i occasionally see reruns of it and i see the

annie potts is on it and i'm like man do i want to watch young sheldon and of course i see the reruns because they play either before or after uh aew television on on tbs that's that's why that's my exposure to young sheldon. The perfect combo. Exactly, yeah. And Rampage. Yeah, Young Sheldon gets you ready for the Rampage, right? Yeah. He's psyched up. You know, the yoga I've only done has been DDP yoga, to talk more about pro wrestling.

Oh, wow. I love it. It's been a secret to my husband's. He's lost a lot of weight, too. And doing regular DDP yoga has been a big a big plus does this part of it you're doing this over your crotch no no he does the diamond sign you do the diamond sign over your crotch and then bang out it's who am i who am i thinking of waluigi of dx okay and waluigi did it too okay well if i if you ever do ddp yoga it is a good

workout just like regular yoga and ddp is a cool guy. But part of the point of it is, is that he wanted to American masculinize yoga to get dudes to do it. So he's like, he's like, okay, time to, instead of doing a squat or whatever you're doing, like huddle up. Okay. You're going to huddle up. Like it's your, you know, you're in, you're in football practice and now you're going to, uh, instead of like downward dog, it's like your table.

You're like a big, strong table. And now, attention, stand up straight like the Army guy. It's all very masculine phrases for this to make sure these guys don't have to feel gay while they're doing yoga. And I have to say, Henry is right now wearing a Mario in a Tanuki suit T-shirt. What are you concerned about masculinity for? No, no. I just like, DDP yoga is fun. It's just fun. What do you consider about masculinity for? No, no. I just like DDP yoga is fun. It's just fun.

I'm not worried about masculinity. I'm wearing chopper from One Piece. It's a pink t-shirt. Oh, wow. Who is girlier in this room? Mitch is staying on brand. He's wearing a Doughboy shirt. We should have been wearing our shirts.

I'm wearing a Doughboy shirt. And also, I met DDP at the the saddle ranch once but this is way back when uh and he was in there this is before ddp yoga but i met him in there and uh and i talked to him and you know he was very nice he seemed like a cool guy yeah yeah he was he was really nice and then also i heard ron livingston was in the bar and i was like going around looking for ron livingston and i could never find him and then after i left they were like it was sean livingston and i was like oh sean livingston is a basketball player and and and they're two two completely different people so i i i uh i was looking for office spaces ron livingston he was not he was not in the bar that was almost a double celebrity double celebrity sighting but i was an

idiot living in hollywood must be a lot of stars snooping around at places to cnc yeah you see you seem like earwands now more than anything else i feel like it cuts to the news away from the druden mubarak show and then yoga party and we then get to see a report as we learn that this is from a man who's been to Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Without hyperbole, this is a million times worse. I love that. And the kids are going crazy. We see a pig head on a pike, which I guess is the closest Lord of the Flies reference in this.

And this is when Homer learns the sad truth. We interrupt Sajruddin Mubarak's yoga party for this special bulletin. Crisis at Camp Krusty. Ladies and gentlemen, I've been to Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq, and I can say without hyperbole that this is a million times worse than all of them put together. Burn, Krusty, burn! Burn, Krusty, burn! A group of school-age Spartacuses has taken this camp by force. Three counselors are missing and presumed scared.

What's that? I'm being told I can have an exclusive interview with the ringleader. Don't be the boy. Don't be the boy. No! I just want the whole world to know that this was a really crappy camp. Can I say crappy on TV? Yes, on this network you can. On Fox, you could get away with saying crappy.

Somehow all of the weight finds Homer again. That's so funny. We were mocking the sound design earlier. I like the sound of Homer's expanding belly. I think it's a good, it sounds like a balloon being or something rubbery yeah something rubbery expanding is very funny and the hair just falls right out just gone also cut from script is homer gets better at piano he starts playing piano in the script yeah i like that the news also used a k with crisis to fit the theme i guess oh i missed that okay

yeah that's great that's that is tv news branding this is after uh desert storm which is like the war made for cable tv news so this feels like and of course him saying afghanistan and iraq that was accurate for them because those were recent 80s and early 90s you know war zones but then when they're recording the commentary in like 2003 or 2002 they're like oh wow that's that's prescient he's saying the places we're in right now insane yeah that's wild which i guess we're not in anymore but the the reference still works it's not dated yeah and this uh crusty punching the paparazzi thing is a reference to Sean Penn doing the same thing.

And I did research on this. I was like, oh, he did that that one time, right? No, he did it four times in the 80s and then once in 2010. So he's had five instances where he knocked out someone taking a picture of him. Four, wow. Five.

Five. Four times just in the 80s. He took like about 15 years off of it, I think, and then back at it. That's a lot of beatings of the paparazzi. They deserve it. Speed them up, I say. I love Homer.

Don't be the boy. Don't be like in that echoey, like in his head sound. I always love when Homer is speaking in his head. It's great. Great. Good sound design on that, too. Yeah. And the whole paparazzi scene isn't in the script so i can't the way

crusty says where were you and i played at farm aid that also feels adr like the tone room tone sounds different but i don't know what the original line is because it's not in that draft of the script so and they allude to crusty dating princess day i guess it's the it's the rumor it's uh i guess they hadn't divorced yet right i think that i i mean honestly like who gives a shit about the current king uh charles like i don't care but it's we just went through that whole coronation thing and i i still i'm mad anytime american television covers it of like all right look if you're in canada it's your it's your king or whatever england fine there's probably there's some old assholes

who care about it we're america i don't we should not give a shit about the queen of england or king of england i don't care at all and i watched the coronation because i was i came home drunk and i was up late and i was watching it and uh there was like an orb it was the weirdest shit i've ever seen in my life it was like the, I was like, this happened. I had no idea what that entailed. And I was just, I was sitting there with my jaw open. And I don't know why. You know, I mean, that was the most fascinating thing I've ever seen. But my mom is like, the queen was good.

She stayed in London during the bombings in World War II. I'm like, who cares? I don't care. I'd love to stay in London in my palace during the bombings. Exactly. i'd love to stay in london in my palace during the exactly yeah i mean yeah i think i feel like the queen the queen is seen in this episode was the last time there'll be respectability on that uh that that lineage i mean my favorite thing i didn't watch it but the clips i saw are photos i saw of king charles i've said prince charles my entire life king charles that he looks incredibly unhappy and that that's that's the most fun i get out he assumed it would happen before he was 70

you know yes and uh so yes crusty heads in but they don't believe him they're giving him a test president clown is a great gag name for a short-lived sitcom like you you can see exactly why it was a short-lived sitcom the second she says it like president class you know this might be a reference to the early fox sitcom i think it was called mr president and george c scott was the president in that show oh i bet you're right and it was like 2004 or something there was a uh short-lived tv show where gina davis played the president i think it was before that because they referenced that show on that's my bush which is a 2001 sitcom oh okay and uh and also when he says she robbed the liquor store last year i would assume that is a reference to the late dana plato of different strokes yes who robbed the video store with a pellet gun and that's what

her arrest came from she had a lot of troubles. See, these things aren't as fun. Back then, they just had the tabloid headlines, not wiki pages to go into or being able to do more research. So you just read the tabloid headline of sad old child star Rob's place. And you just get to laugh with some distance instead of thinking about the horrible lives that led them to that moment. Of course, yeah. It feels meaner in modern day but you know back then you didn't think a lot of people didn't even get who they were referencing everybody was a lot more callous back then yeah it's again you talk about jokes you wouldn't make now you would not make they wouldn't make a joke of of this style of uh

today i wouldn't think yeah so then they rip open crusty's uh shirt because they think he's wearing a wire i love that he has too many identifiers one would work they give him too many and they kind of have to keep up with this for the rest of the show sometimes they forget but in the first i think decade of the show they always remember all three signifiers. The pacemaker scar, the superfluous nipple, and the cattle skull birthmark. I do believe in a season 34 episode, I think it's the Krusty School episode, Krusty versus the Board of Education. I think he gets shirtless in that one. But definitely it's one of the late season 34 ones. And they get everything on there except there's a little line where the cattle skull birthmark is, but it's not of the late season 34 ones and they get everything on there except there's a little line

where the cattle skull birthmark is but it's not fully drawn but i'll i'll give them partial credit for that but they even in recent seasons they're still drawing it on there and somehow the kids know these things are on his chest yes yeah the the only the pacemaker had been previously established in the crusty gets Gets Busted episode. That's right. I think that this reference of the superfluous nipple is a reference to James Bond movie, The Man with the Golden Gun, because the villain of that movie, the titular man with the golden gun, people are like, well, we've never seen his face, but we know he has a third nipple.

And then Roger Moore james bond goes undercover to pretend to be him to fish him out uh and he wears a fake nipple so if you want to see roger moore wear a fake extra nipple on his chest uh watch the man with the golden gun i do want to see that the only other movie i can think of with a fake extra nipple is mall rats oh that's funny i mean uh if you especially if it's one of the few boobs you've seen in films up to that point it's very memorable i've never seen a real life extra third nipple i've never seen a third nipple before no i can't recall it either on somebody i feel if we had friends who had them they were very protective of it they were sanded off yeah same yeah yeah i wonder cosmetically how easy it is

to remove i would figure probably pretty i would i would figure in an elective surgery now it'd be pretty easy to just get rid of it they could do with computers yeah i mean i've known i've known people who get mastectomies and just don't put the nipple back that gets removed in the first place and they just live a a nipple-less life you know crusty is like a pleasure guy so i feel like he'd want a third nipple for that's true maybe for pleasure maybe for pleasure reasons but of course when crusty gets it removed he's he says like you know what you're better you're nice than the people at customs i've been through customs i've uh in canada and tokyo they they they are very nice to me i think crusty's probably been arrested for smuggling drugs, though,

so they know to suspect him in some way. It's a drug smuggling joke, you're right. Yeah. And so in our final clip here, Krusty is confronted with his evil deeds. I'm no fake. I'm the real Krusty. Oh, yeah? Who played your daughter in the short-lived sitcom President Clown? I don't know

her name, but she held up a liquor store last year. I smell bacon. Let's see if he's wearing a wire. Hey, whoa! Oh! Not the face! It is the real Krusty. Look at that pacemaker scar, the cattle skull birthmark, and his famous superfluous

nipple. Well, at least you're not as bad as customs. How could you, Krusty? I never lend my name to an inferior product. Oh! They drove a dump truck full of money up to my house. I'm not made of stone.

Krusty, this camp was a nightmare. They fed us gruel. They forced us to make wallets for export, and one of the campers was eaten by a bear oh my god well actually the bear just ate his hat was it a nice hat oh yeah oh my god well i'm gonna make it all up to you i'm gonna show you kids the time of your life get ready for two weeks at the happiest place on Earth. Tijuana! The kids are excited about Tijuana.

My mom had to explain what Tijuana, where Tijuana is, and why that was a joke. Though even as a kid, I did know that the misdirect is the happiest place on Earth, which is the tagline for Disneyland. And instead, he's taking him to tijuana a classic running gag of well we're not we say we're going to take the kids to disneyland but it's somewhere else i love it with camp deadly that was kids getting bart's name attached to an inferior product like oh absolutely yeah that's a great joke they're just acknowledging how often they've done that with their with like a yeah every simpsons there's been a hundreds of simpsons products that are terrible at this

point in time and there's some note in the script about this use of south of the border right yes so in uh in the notes for the uh for the sound team they actually say that they want the frank sinatra version like they say wow like it says south of the border frank sinatra version note sound alike not allowed is what it says there in the the sound mixing version which is funny because they did have to go for a sound alike and it was allowed i i mean i would figure licensing the sinatra original probably very expensive they already played for alice cooper up front so so wait is so is it a knockoff what what what is the the it's a knockoff yes it is an original new cover of it uh by a singer named gene merlino which we'd only know that thanks to that's his credit in the, uh, this version

of the song is also in the, I believe songs in the key of Springfield. Yeah, it is. Yeah. And so, uh, he's basically a session singer, uh, or was a session singer for decades. Uh, he also sings the, the version of born free that you hear in whacking day. I think he was a favorite of Al Clossett. He sounds great. He does.

It's not, I thought it was the real version. I had no idea. According to his wiki, he is one of the four guys singing the Gilligan's Island theme. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. Oh, wow. And, of course, the song was made famous first in 1939 by Gene Autry. And the Sinatra version comes from 53.

So this was a 40 or 39-year-old version of Frank Sinatra that they were parodying here. I had never heard the song before. When I heard the Sinatra version, I'm like, it doesn't feel like the right song in my head because this is the version of the song I know. Same here. Heard thousands of times on that CD. But yeah, just the Tijuana. Yay. What a great, what a great cut and also talking about

uh hollywood people who make excuses i love they pulled a dump truck full of money up to my house i'm not made of stone like oh well there's your excuse you got paid so much no one could say no you can't say no to that much money i think we have used that expression in terms of a celebrity or a creative talent doing something they shouldn't have done and it was the dump truck full of money that made them do it you know what i would just take that dump truck full of money too i get it um i i also just i love i love that the bear just ate his hat and was it a nice hat i just want to say that i i love that joke so much and i also love bart

getting an eye carumba tattoo down in tijuana it feels like a sequel to the christmas tattoo he got like a full day across his belly which i guess then is removed at some point but uh i want to say i mean i love our listeners i love what we do but if the spotify dump truck pulled up to this apartment with two million dollars and said you guys talk about family guy for the next 10 years i'd consider it for sure i'm not made of stone i am not made of stone yes yeah uh but henry should we talk about camp crust here we have a little bit of time left oh yeah so yeah there's uh so that this episode is a true classic and they never really called back to it until season 28 with the episode Camp Crustier, which Mitch, I'm not sure. Have you seen this episode? I have not seen this episode.

When was it? So a couple like a year or two ago, seven years. Unbelievably, six years ago. Twenty seventeen. Yeah. It's season 28. So, yeah, six, six years ago 2017 yeah yeah it's season 28 so yeah six six years ago yeah it's uh but wow so basically though they do get the writer back david stern comes back to write it and it picks up basically the kids get delivered home from camp and then they they deal with stuff but the our nerdy complaint is that as far as being a sequel to an episode it it does it kind

of lacks it does it could be better as a sequel yeah it really feels like they should have sat down to watch this first because it violates certain story things that happen the entire episode is about the kids going through treatment to recover from the trauma caused by going to Camp Krusty but this episode ends with no Krusty made it up to them and they had a great time so that part is odd and then when you see Camp Krusty and the riots that are happening um you see that Sideshow Mel is there for some reason you see that the bullies are helping with the riot like no they escaped with Mr. Black there are all these things that just don't match up and they did a sequel to the Pin Pals episode around this time too. And similar story issues in that like, well, we've, the audience

watching this has seen those episodes a million times. We know what happened in them. And apparently you guys don't. It's very odd. It's, it would work fine as an episode where they, if they just did an episode where the kids return home from camp and it's the fallout of that, like that's one thing, but they very intentionally say it's Camp Crust of that like that's one thing but they very intentionally say it's camp crustier this that's the name of the episode they got the writer back the opening thing says it's you know 26 years or 22 years ago basically is is what it says but yeah there's no mention of mr black when the kids are dropped off in the bus by crusty they're still upset which is like no no they should be saying

specifics about going to Tijuana like that isn't mentioned at all and then also it's like Homer and Marge are still enjoying having sex together when really Homer should be ruined already by seeing Bart on the TV yeah that too yeah just so many pieces don't match up and it's so unsatisfying no Mr. Black for me is that's that's just a that's a huge sin you got to bring mr black back i think they've gotten better at this in the last couple seasons where they finally accepted like well okay if we're going to really write an episode that is about a previous episode then we have to assume the audience will know this exactly and we don't have to we shouldn't fear that we're going to

lose the audience i think i i mean we reference this all the time too but on on the simpsons movie bonus features they are very clear of how much they didn't want to call back too much to stuff that happened in the show oh no i think partially it was like out of humility because they're like ah it's just you know we worked on and we don't want to think we're so important. Everybody's going to remember every little joke we did, even though that is how they, I feel like they could feel that way. But I think too, that they were like, oh, we will lose the mainstream if we have very specific references. So they were, they were a little scared to do it. I'm sorry, Mitch. I didn't even try. You have, you have thoughts on this? Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm just agreeing with you 100%.

I think that it should have been even – I mean, the thing everyone talks about is that it should have been McBain as the president or basically, yeah, instead of a new character, right? Or it's not – it's like – oh, no, it's Arnold, right? It's specifically Arnold. It's Arnold instead of Rainier Wolfcastle. And the EPA guy should just be Hank Scorpio. In function, he is Hank Scorpio, but they just didn't do it. Yeah, yeah. And I think people would have gotten... You know, that's like, come on.

People know the show well enough. And it wouldn't have mattered either if people didn't know it, I feel like. You know, he could still just have it. Because Hank Scorpio is just such a fun character. If it's your introduction to him, you just be like this guy's funny i like this guy it wouldn't matter if you're meeting him for the first time yeah so i guess uh final thoughts on camp crusty it's weird to call this a week episode because we're in season four like objectively it kind of is because they don't know what to do with the camp story and this could

never be a movie but in terms of just having a ton of gags that are very funny it does work on that level but just the idea of them trying to turn this into a movie is very silly though again in another universe i would like to see this barely 20 minute episode just stretched out i think there'd be more of margin homer at home doing stuff more of mr black and his upheaval it would be interesting but as it stands this is the work of very tired people but they are also brilliant so this is what we get for sure i i'd say a plus jokes uh c minus scripted or plotting i guess but and and the animation top of the line like this this was the last one they did a klasky chupo i uh mark kirkland actually said this to me said this to me uh five years ago on twitter he said that the title stills at the end of this uh were drawn by him uh it was like him silverman i think one other person one or two other people

they drew the stills themselves to send off to korea and he says these tile stills from camp crusty were the very last pieces created by the simpsons at klaski chupo like they were the last guys in the klaski chupo building and turned off the lights finishing it so it's an end of an era you know klaski chupo they're when this happens they're working on rugrats in a few years a couple years after that rugrats will be the biggest show on cable uh ever so briefly i don't know if you knew that mitch like rugrats for a time was getting like breaking bad level uh oh my god ratings on on cable after it was canceled after it did its 52 and went away that's hilarious yeah that's uh i mean i remember being a big fan of it too i guess i was still young enough that that was

yeah i was in the elementary school i guess it came out probably when i was in fifth grade maybe sixth grade but yeah no i remember i remember being a fan and for me it's funny that you say it's a bad episode because i'm like yeah you're kind of right i didn't realize that from because for me this is like also when the simpsons just starts cooking and i'm like i've and it's crazy to me that there was already three seasons of this show so i was in first grade because once simpsons mania took i was there the whole ride you know what i mean and i remember shirts getting the maggie weirdly the maggie suck suck shirt getting banned in my school and i'm bart simpson who the hell are you but this is three years into my fandom and then like me getting older and loving the show and also getting sillier so like this episode just reminds me of like oh this is like when i'm really

loving this show but you're right that it is there's great jokes in it and i guess that's why i love it no matter what and i think the theme of it when i was a kid just worked so well for me but you're right that it as story-wise it's not it's not great but funny enough just that it was gonna be you know this this is the episode that was maybe gonna the movie and then 15 years later is when the movie came out when i actually worked at the when i actually started working at the show which is insane that it was so much later well and it took that long for a theme park ride too for all that and i yeah which i was there for the creation of that too that was that was wild yeah i think uh yeah i uh it's hard for me to unhook my childhood memory of just the excitement of like the season premiere of The Simpsons.

There's finally more Simpsons. I've had to go four months. Well, actually, there was a new episode in August. But normally, you had to go four months without a new Simpsons. And if there's only, you know, 40, 50 episodes that you can watch on your VHS tapes over the summer. A New Simpsons is amazing. Yeah, at one point there weren't enough episodes for us. And the idea of like, wow, it's going to be a new season.

It'll be forever until there's another rerun. And so exciting. And then like the Halloween episode coming up. And like, I just, I loved that time in my life. And I got to give a shout out for two more things. Is that Bart's stiff gym shorts. I could just relate to that very much. Of having gym shorts that were just fucking crusted over and couldn't move. From sweat.

From sweat. From sweat, yes. To be clear, yes. Nothing was going on in gym shorts. I wasn't thinking that. And then the South of the Border Gracie films films tune at the end too is is a lot of fun that's my final thought oh you know you're you're pals with uh the don't stop or we'll die who did a great uh tribute to the gracie uh that's her song i love that song uh me too i love i i

mean and i and i and i genuinely love the gracie film song. It's a little nostalgia, you know, that good 10 seconds of nostalgia there. I think it's what we'll hear as we die. Oh, yeah. The sound of that echoing over and over. I need my nurse to say shh to me when my final breath is gone. Stop screaming. I said, are you are you there? God, it's me, Margaret. And it starts with the Gracie films. And I didn't know that it was Jim Brooks produced the movie.

Oh, I didn't know that either. That must be why Marge cut a promo for that. Did you know that, Mitch? That's why. Oh, no, I did not know that. That's wild. So it's integrated marketing. I should have realized.

Well, thank you once again, Mike Mitchell, for being on the show. Please let us know where we can find you online more about doughboys and more about what you're doing you're a very busy guy i you can find me on uh on instagram at my name's mitch m-y-n-a-m-e-s mitch m-i-t-c-h and then uh you can find me on twitter at b-day boys mitch and then reference to my sketch group there yeah you can find the doughboys podcast wherever you listen to podcast we have a patreon as well as patreon.com slash doughboys and then uh i'm in uh twisted metal coming up this uh this in just a month on on peacock so check it out it's gonna be a lot of fun with samoa joe i i can't wait to see the twisted metal show we when we're so

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