Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Like Father, Like Clown With Louis Peitzman

Episode Date: June 15, 2022

For this special episode about Krusty's heritage and entertainment, we welcome the great entertainment journalist Louis Peitzman back onto the podcast! As Krusty finally visits The Simpsons at home, he confronts his Jazz Singer-style childhood, leaving him a broken man. Can Bart and Lisa reacquaint him with his estranged father? Listen along as we're all gabbin' about God! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! Check out our new shirts on TeePublic! And please follow the new official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking Simpsons. Head there to check out exclusive podcasts like Talking Futurama, Talking of the Hill, the What a Cartoon Movie podcast, and tons more. I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, a public service show of limited appeal. I'm your host, the rowdy Rabbi Bob Mackey, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who is here with me today, as always? It's Henry Gilbert, and I'll be in heaven still doing this show if I die tonight.

And who do we have on the line? Oh, this is Lewis Heisman. And this week's episode is Like Father, Like Clown. Questy, why don't you tell us what's wrong? You'll feel better. Yeah, yeah, come on. Questy, tell us. Well, okay. This week's episode originally aired on October 24th, 1991.

And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh, my God. Oh, boy, Bobby. House Party 2 tops the box office. Mariah Carey's Emotions is number one on the billboard charts and star trek fans everywhere in mourning because gene roddenberry has passed away so yes a big day in entertainment history their house party two they go to college they take that house party to the door that was not the the pajama jammy jam my you know i haven't watched that movie in a long i think that's house party three oh okay yes all right

clearly unfamiliar with the House Party franchise Henry and yeah Mariah Carey's Emotions when I looked at one I was like oh yeah I remember that she's had so many bigger hits that I don't think of that one as much I don't know Lewis if that's one of your favorites I don't know that I have a favorite Mariah album

but I will have to re-listen to that tonight and see if it jogs my memory is that the video where she's on the roller coaster no i think that's fantasy yeah you're right it is fantasy yeah but in emotion she does uh i think it's her like big debut of her very high note she can hit that everybody thought was like oh that's fake that's fake and then she she did it like live on the or you know at unplugged and everybody's like oh that's fake that's fake and then she she did it like live on the or you know at unplugged and he's like oh that's that's not fake she really can't do that you know with with me and my closeted pals butterfly was the big hit in high school for for mariah carey uh sorry back to house party 2 that was the pajama jammy jam all right so i apologized to anyone i offended

earlier in this segment and uh and yes gene roddenberry the creator of star trek uh passed away and i i remember i didn't know who gene roddenberry was despite you know as a kid i watched star trek next generation a lot with my mom like she loved that series and so i remember watching the episode that was like dedicated to gene roddenberry and i didn't realize uh what that meant or why that was a big deal back then though gene roddenberry was kind of on the outs with the trek franchise at the time yeah he i don't know i'm not a big trekkie by the way or trekker i don't know what you prefer but i know if it seems like he was kind of ushered away from star trek the next generation when he was kind of ruining it they're like uh we don't need you anymore old man go go

make andromeda and somebody else did after he died after he was dead they raided that coffin yeah but uh but yeah so that's that's all that was happening in entertainment when this episode aired uh joining us today is lewis pitesman he's back he was last with us uh with uh pygmalion back in october of 2020 a much more terrifying time to be alive welcome back lewis yeah welcome it's still a terrifying time to be alive welcome back lewis yeah welcome it's still a terrifying time to be alive it's actually i think maybe terrifying for more reasons now than it was back then um i guess that's good you can kind of like spread the terror out over multiple different issues and and lewis you you know you're a you're an entertainment expert right uh a journalist i

and uh i shouldn't put it that's how i got a question mark you are a journalist henry just made scare quotes that's fine that's how i feel about it but uh and and so you know our last episode with you was was all about entertainment this one as well is very much about like entertainment history and and its crossover with the jewish faith uh i do feel like I was brought in not for my entertainment background, but for my Jewish background, which is absolutely fine.

I wish I'd had a, I should have had a fun Judaica themed opening line, but I'll get there. Well, yeah. So, I mean, did you watch this one when it was new in your youth as part of a Simpsons viewer? Well, I'm obviously very young.

So maybe I can't remember. I actually don't remember when I watched it because I looked it up and I was like, I definitely was like on some level aware of The Simpsons when I was five, but I don't think that I was actively watching and retaining it. So I must have seen this in reruns on Fox

like years later, but I definitely remember seeing it and being very excited about Krusty being Jewish. And it's possible that I, that's like an early childhood memory that I, that I had for when I, you know, watched it when it aired. I don't actually know, but yeah, I did watch it as a, as a very young child at some point. I know that Krusty being Jewish, you know, has mattered a lot to the writers on the show, especially there's a number of Jewish writers on the show, including one of the co-writers this episode. And then I know like even the current showrunner of the show, Matt Selman, he's Jewish and

he brought more of Krusty's daughter into the forefront in his time because he's like, my daughter is also half Jewish, just like his daughter. So I'll put that in the show. But I mean, for for Gentiles like Bob and myself of this, we I don't think I knew much about the Jewish faith at the age of eight when I when I first saw that. I didn't know anybody Jewish growing up. I went to Catholic school, very few Jewish people at Catholic school. And then so basically until I was an older person this episode

of The Simpsons and then two episodes of Rugrats that's kind of all I knew about the Jewish faith. So not a lot of talk was going on. Between Simpsons and Rugrats I feel like you can pretty much get everything you need to know. I don't know how much else there is out there. Well you know this taught me some but i think also i'll credit adam sandler a lot and his and his

song eight crazy nights taught me and many many a comedy non-jewish comedy nerd a lot about judaism the hanukkah song yes yeah and similar in this episode lisa also lists the celebrities just as adam sandler does in that same song like that comedy classic but i learned that hall of famer rob carew is jewish whoever that is i don't know that rod carew my mom had to explain to me who that was and i i then forgot but um no i uh and they and they've stuck with it since then yeah i mean uh lewis you know as as a jewish person what do you what what do you think of the uh portrayal of I guess, in this episode and in most Simpsons episodes? Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

I never, I don't think I gave it much thought at the time. Watching it now, it does seem a little like it's entry level, which is fine. It was, I don't know, there are some good jokes in there. I really like the Jewish entertainers bit

or the lack thereof. I've never seen the jazz singer. So I feel like I missed a lot of the cultural references there. But I know it exists. And I'm aware of Neil Diamond, who I believe was the jazz singer. And I do remember, I have a memory from Jewish day school, we were singing the Neil Diamond song, Coming to America, which I actually think is not called that, but that's what people know it as. It's just America. Anyway, the point is I was laughing, the lyrics were bad,

and I was a bad little kid. I don't remember. But anyway, the music teacher got really angry and made me copy the lyrics to the Neil Diamond song over and over again as my own little chalkboard gag. And it was, my mom was really angry about it because she was like, what a useless punishment. And like, it came in to talk to the teacher who said that it was what I deserve for disrespecting Neil Diamond. And that's my jazz singer memory. Wow. Well, you know the i only watched a few scenes of it online i i also

i was not gonna pay to rent it digitally if it had been free streaming on netflix or something maybe i'd have watched it but it's famously to gen xers like a bad movie like just i mean yeah what a great idea of like a terrible movie that it's the hubris of neil diamond who's like well i'm a hit musician obviously i can act in a great film alongside lawrence olivier and then everybody's gonna love it i think it's so bad that it did not live on to be in the so bad it's good category of movies i think it only lives on through these simpsons references it was also in old money the i have no son rip the cloth reference yes yeah and i want to point out, like, in 1991, it doesn't feel like it was that long ago, but it was. And it felt like having such an explicitly Jewish story, it did feel a bit edgy and a bit fox-like, if you will.

Because if you look at what was happening with other big shows like Seinfeld, they were like, nobody's Jewish on this show. Costanza, Italian, very Italian. Don't ask any questions. I feel like that was an unpopular choice for white audiences they didn't want to alienate them executives they're obviously wrong yes yeah but it felt like wow this is an interesting and kind of edgy idea to have an explicitly jewish character in a jewish story only fox could do this fox a famously jewish network exactly yeah no i well i like hearing jay kogan on the commentary he jokes

like they say like oh it was your idea to make crusty jewish he's like yes i i finally got jews into entertainment with with crusty being jewish here but yeah this uh the the episode is co-written by uh jay kogan with wally walidarski kogan is the the jewish writer of the the two uh and walidarski i don't believe is jewish and his like kogan also i think is like the perfect guy to write this because oh god not just that he's jewish but he also has like the most like entertainment old entertainment like upbringing ever it's insane his childhood yeah his dad is arnie kogan uh still alive by the way uh he wrote for tons of tv comedies, like a comedy TV writer, sitcoms, talk shows, variety shows from 1960 to 1994. Those are his credits.

Yeah, he knew everybody like his. They joke that like Stephen Eadie played at one of Kogan's birthdays, I think, right? His bar mitzvah i believe they say like that he that his godfather was uh the writer of uh i think it was uh spanish no no uh yeah it was spanish flea i think is uh is his what his godfather like he kogan was just talking about his is uh that on twitter there was a thing going around on may the 4th of uh what i'd never seen before of a donnie and marie show version of the star wars parody that i like chris christopherson as as han solo did you see that lewis i've seen the um the outfits i don't know if i've actually watched the clip it's it's amazing to see because they

actually like they really got c-3po and r2d2 like they didn't make fake versions like they george lucas at some point agreed like yeah donny and marie do a parody i'll send you the robots and george lucas just you know lending out those robots or letting letting star wars be tainted by anything less than um but good for him and uh and kogan said like yeah my dad on that. Like he even shared whatever stories his dad, Arnie Kogan knew. So yeah, I mean, this, he is both a Jewish man and a, like a very entertainer Hollywood guy. And there are two rabbis that are consultants on this episode.

And one of them is, uh, was the guy who bar mitzvahed Jay Kogan. Yeah. Who I believe is Harold M. Schleiss. I believe that's the the the two credited ones and you know what they on the commentary they can't remember if it's two or three on the credits there's two but jay kogan like two years ago on twitter was like yep there were three so it's like was was there just an uncredited rabbi or what here i want to know which rabbi was cut out of things like no suggestions from one rabbi were used we only had bad notes and we're

like forget it and i also think a little of this comes from mike reese as well who is a very non-religious jewish man in the like in his book the the sandwich in here that's described as the crusty sandwich in mike reese's biography he says that like, Oh, how not Jewish am I? I would eat the, the, the sandwich described as Krusty's sandwich in a synagogue on Yom Kippur. Like he's like, that's how not Jewish I am. But I do think that the sandwich joke is one of those.

Like, I think that telling this like Jewish story, you know, maybe a little ahead of its time, but I feel like there's plenty of sort of broad Jewish comedy that exists before this. And I think like there are jokes like this very not kosher sandwich that feels a little bit subtler that like,

if you didn't know anything about Jews, you probably wouldn't get that particular joke, but maybe you get the jazz singer riff. Like, you know, that seems maybe more, more obvious. No,

I mean, as a child, I did not understand. Absolutely not. Why the contents of Krusty Sandwich would be so insulting to a rabbi. Yes. A few more production notes on this episode. This is the second and last episode to be directed by Brad Bird.

He co-directs this episode with Jeffrey Lynch, who is a newer director. He's sort of showing him the ropes. Brad Bird is still on the show through early season nine as consultant. And Jake Hogan pitches episode to sam simon didn't like it then he pitched the episode to james l brooks he did like it so he went behind sam simon's back to make this episode happen james l brooks more powerful than sam simon himself and apparently uh gene pitched the last name kraskovsky kraskovsky and he got the biggest laugh he ever got out of brooks in his life so it's a great joke kraskovsky was al jean's idea and one little story on the commentary i found out was that uh this this blessed man jay kogan born into hollywood fame and riches not only does he get to have the great father arnie kogan he also is the guy who got to fly

around the world casting the international version of The Simpsons. He got to take all these international trips to like Japan and France and Germany and Italy to cast the foreign language dub voices. Al Jean on the commentary is like, when they offered us those trips, we said we're running a show. We couldn't possibly. I regret that every day.

We should have taken all of those expensive trips around the world to cast the show. I regret every opulent press trip I didn't take. Every single one of them. Why did I not take that trip? I think about all the things I turned down based on ethics and, you know, now wish I had just taken advantage of because, you know, who cares at this point? And Jake Hogan would go on to write an Emmy Award winning episode of Frasier called Merry Christmas, Mrs. Moskowitz, where Frasier has to pretend to be Jewish to appease the mother of a Jewish woman he is dating. And that is the 1999 Emmy Award winning for outstanding sitcom. Yeah, it's classic. It's a classic Frasier. like uh the bird directs this who also a very waspy well actually not wasp because he wasn't rich but like a midwestern white guy not not at all jewish but he he loves crusty the clown so much like he uh in seasons one through three especially he was very insistent on like

drawing the best crusty scenes even when he didn't produce them and like and and you know we've covered it before but his version of crusty was based on a very not jewish uh like christian entertainer clown of the of portland oregon of his youth uh disturbingly enough named rusty nails yes yeah the christian portland clown horrible name for a clown it's uh and then he uh if you want somebody named rusty nails teaching you about jesus like that does i'm guessing the rusty nails were the the nails in his palms right oh god is that how it works yeah yeah no i mean that that makes sense but it is a horrifying thing to think about i guess if you're being crucified whether the nails are rusty or not it's not going to have much bearing on on what happens after that i think you know resurrection implies you wouldn't have to

worry about tetanus yeah i think the rusty thing is just them trying to guilt trip you more it's like he was crucified and the nails are rusty yeah talk about a rough deal as much guilt as possible shoved in there i well speaking of their trips too i loved hearing that they like on their trip they got to coke in along with dan kessler just got to like fly to new york city and record with the the guest star and then go to a the hollyfield holyfield foreman fight that happened in atlantic city so you want to know when this was recorded uh that with at least with the guest star it was around april 19th 1991 that's when they flew out to new york city so just to put it in time uh they at uh i i would have to assume that was at the Trump casino.

I would have to think that's where it was done. But OK. All right. Well, let's get any episode itself then. So after a chalkboard about not finishing things, which I feel like that's the producer saying they're getting tired of writing chalkboard games already. They've got doing them at that point. It's season three.

Never again. And so then the episode begins and yeah i think you see that bird and lynch really were ambitious with the animation on this one like they bird is on the commentary and he's talking about how like they had all these ambitions and you can only pull off so much on tv budget and tv schedule but like wow this episode the opening like all the shots of like the final acts like you see the acts from like his viewpoint and just the like shadows and everything it looks amazing like it's it's and what a great like grab you at the start of the episode that the episode starts at the end of an episode of the Krusty Show, it puts you on your back feet of like, wow, this is weird. You know, and he almost kills Mel, Sideshow Mel on live television as well.

It won't be the first time. No, in the other future times, he won't even apologize or he'll just move on with it. And I love the reaction shot of Bart and Lisa there. Their hearty laughs as they see uh unconscious body of Sideshow out there we then see the introduction of all these recurring sidekicks as as Krusty is doing a sign off uh it's basically the SNL good nights is what he is doing with even the music behind him just like a GE Smith I think I think Corporal Punishment will show up in uh the video game Krusty's Super Fun House or Krusty's Funhouse if you're playing it on NES.

But this clown, this unnamed clown doctor never appears again. Tina Ballerina, I think she might pop up a few more times. I think she's in Krusty Gets Cancelled. Yeah, but now Corporal Punishment, he was first seen in Itchy and Scratchy of Marge, but the other two, or the rest of his sidekicks, not seen before. And also apparently Donna Mills had been on the episode earlier of Knott's Landing uh this is the one time I can tell this story this Knott's Landing related story Knott's Landing uh it's this primetime soap opera who cares 79 and 93 you didn't see it but uh when I was living in Kent Ohio there was a daycare the daycare was called Tots Landing and i drove by it every day and i thought

you need a better reference i could punch this up for you i also i also really don't like when kids are called tots it bothers me yeah i think there's a common daycare thing though you know and also i i kind of admire a pun name for a daycare i feel like there was some creativity there even if you don't love the reference and it gets funnier and funnier by like 1996 everybody's like what the hell is this i really i have to say because i i um i was happy to see corporal punishment and tina ballerina who are characters in the simpsons mobile game tapped out where i have spent too much of my time usually the thing to do with your money real money or or uh in-game money is to buy all these characters um so you can like make tina ballerina and corporal punishment do things which is supposed

to be gratifying in some way there are other characters too those are those just stood out to me because i you know i kind of forgot where they first came from no i i thankfully out of all of the out of all the phone scams i've given money to and i've i've spent money on a lot of them i never got into i knew i knew it would get me too hard if i gave it even too so i was like can't i can't install it it's it's the frankie act you pay for yeah it's no it's it's um it's the worst and i i did quit for a while and then it sucked me back in but you know it's it was during covid that i was like you know i need something to do on my phone that will take me away from the pandemic. And that's how I justify spending real money on a stupid little mobile game. And Krusty's song here, I never appreciated what a great bad song it is until really watching closely.

You're just saying like, we've had lots and lots and lots and lots of fun. And now the time has come to go yeah there's no more rhyming i guess the rhyme comes after but it's just the song kind of falls apart at that point just so like well i also like he rhymes fun with come which well i was where are you going with this no i was just saying that's an imperfect yeah uh but and then god it made me laugh even even more this time and then and then that a song gets so dark of saying like oh yeah and if i if i'm dead in my bed tomorrow i'll be in heaven still doing this show well we've learned earlier in the simpsons that the show opens with what

would you do if it went off the air we'd kill ourselves yes that's right yeah having children scream we'll kill ourselves it was pretty good and also though if you're wondering why crusty the clown is tugging on his earlobe that's a reference to carol burnett who did that at the end of her shows always i guess still does if you saw her live she probably still does it it was her way of uh it was her tribute to her grandmother it was when her grandmother would be watching the show and she'd see her tug on her earlobe that said, I love you, grandma. Which apparently her grandma was she her parents, bad, bad divorce, alcohol problems. She had a tough childhood, but her grandma was always there for her.

So it's very, very sweet story about Carol Burnett's grandma, but who sadly passed away during the production of the like she the grandma died before the carol bernette show was over oh fortunately but she still still kept doing it can we do a bit more uh crusty lore yes okay so a bit more crusty lore i forget if we talked about it on this podcast before but this was on the commentary so i wanted to bring it up here dan castellana talks about it of course we're talking about the origins of crusty it's crusty based episode we got rusty nails the portland clown but the voice of crusty is based on uh dan castaneda's local bozo uh bob bell who apparently because uh henry could see wgn programming where he lived that was also crusty's bozo yeah i had no bozo well so uh yeah i had wgn on my family's cable it's also how there were super stations there was like tbs first which gave you atlanta based stuff and then there was wgn

which gave you chicago stuff and so yeah i got to see uh i watched bozo on there i never particularly loved bozo but i did love the grand prize game and the cartoons he showed around uh him but uh before i was more into the bozo that followed bob bell after bob bell's retirement but the cookie the clown was still there but yeah bob you found you have quite a clip of this uh this old bozo this wheezing clown talking about a video game yeah let's see here i'll play it we're playing bozo's TV Pow! Game and we're going to be playing it right here at the circus and everybody at home

will have a chance to participate too. So you'll want to tune in to Bozo's Circus and find out all the details about Bozo's TV Pow! The greatest new game on television! Hey, you try it. Let me try it.

So yeah, that's where Dan got the voice. This horrible TV clown. He's like taking these big, like, cancerous gasps between sentences. It's rough. It's rough. You can really hear the vocal damage of probably decades of clownery. But I do, I mean, it's really unsettling i mean my question with clowns is that the obvious one of like who is this for because it seems like everyone is

somewhat put off by clowns but watching the simpsons and watching this episode and thinking about barn and lisa's ages and the ages of the kids in those in that audience and sort of like who is crusty for based on the show he's doing and the guests he gets apparently um it's like it's a fascinating question obviously it sort of changes depending on what the plot uh necessitates but yeah I don't I don't know who Bozo is for and I certainly know who don't know who Rusty was for I was kind of I was kind of startled by hearing that clown voice because I the only clown I knew was like Ronald McDonald he's like I got hamburgers everybody it was a normal voice and some clowns are like this I'm a clown but this clown's like hey kids it's me we're gonna

play a video game that's more like beavis actually it sounds like beetlejuice a little bit yeah yeah for sure does that okay have you seen that beetlejuice broadway show lewis yeah does he really do that voice the whole show yeah i know it's a joke in the saw, or at least I saw a performance on, like, I think the Tonys where he said, like, no, I really do this voice all night. But I was like, really? Really? He really does it.

Yeah. No, I know the actor, and we've discussed how he does it without destroying his voice, which you would think he would do eight shows a week. But he's still doing it. That's amazing. Just by doing the fake Krusty, i'm a little raspy now well i guess i'm not even trying because i can't wake up tomorrow with a slightly sore throat and take another covid test it's just not gonna

you know see this is why we're not broadway stars you know this guy those are the people that can pull it off but the only reason i'm not a broadway star in fact it's just funny to think that like this is the tail end of clowns because one of the people on the show still had bozo access yes yeah and thank god it's not happening anymore well you know i get why the kids watch that and also like the howdy doody show and all that because really you just wanted to see cartoons but i couldn't produce enough cartoons to fill a whole hour of tv so you just got to have your local clown host those cartoons and be like all right that we've got 10 minutes of cartoons and then 10 minutes of me telling you that popeye's about to be on now they have so many

cartoons you're not going to waste time with some human telling kids to watch a cartoon. I showed you who my bozo was. It was a 28-year-old woman named Liz with a harsh Cleveland accent. That's right. Yes. Just Liz. A woman. It's basically like your cute babysitter. Exactly.

That's what she was. Yes. If you grew up with Liz, DM me. I feel like all I grew up with was Pee Wee, and I always was more interested in the playhouse than the cartoons. Yeah. No. up with was Pee Wee and I always was more interested in the Playhouse than the cartoons. I did like, well, because he intentionally played like the King of Cartoons would bring shitty, bad

public domain cartoons. They wouldn't even show you the whole thing and I think the fanfare and the song about the King of Cartoons lasted longer than the cartoon. That might have been the joke. That might have been the joke. That might have. That might have been the joke, yeah. The Simpsons will be right back. Krusty's dad disowned him.

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were about i'm like oh yeah when the camera's off this the clown isn't funny and they're just like a sad needy person who who gambles and smokes all the time and i think we get that uh shot of bart and lisa to remind the audience yes it's the simpsons we know don't worry they just spent a lot of time with crusty here but yes this is when we get introduced tousty's girl Friday, who sadly did not appear enough on the show, I think. But yes, Krusty is canceling his plans in our first clip. Great show, Krusty. I really laughed when you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where's my nicotine gum? Oh, that's the stuff. Damn, I'm exhausted. Those kids were like ice out there.

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Thank you, dinner with Bart Simpson. I don't know any Bart Simpson. Krusty, he's the boy who saved you from jail. Well, we made a terrible, terrible mistake. Uh, won't happen again. Well, there was one boy who trusted me all along bart yes sir thank you oh yeah cancel it now the uh that's uh mrs penny candy or miss penny candy uh a reference i assure you it's miss a reference to money penny the uh the

constant uh secretary of james bond or I guess M's secretary. And yeah, again, as a kid, I didn't know nothing about James Bond. I think my mom had to explain to me, no, it's a reference to Moneypenny. That's the joke. But she only appears one other time with speaking lines in the series. It's a dynamic that I wish had been around longer but i think crusty can't have anyone around him to make him behave better because he can't be as funny that's true i see that and if you look very closely there's a big clue to where this story is going because the star on crusty's door

is a star of david ah yes yeah i i wanted to know as people who are more well better versed in the simpsons than i am or you am or have done this chronological journey. When do they drop the bit of Krusty not remembering who Bart is? Because I feel like at some point that stopped happening. I think by the Bill and Josh, I think seven or so, because the last one I can remember is in Bart Gets Famous, Krusty is like... What have you done for me lately? I got you that sandwich. You know, it's so similar to homer

and burns that maybe they're like ah why why keep doing this with crusty but i mean it it works so well for plot purposes if crusty remembers bart too much it's like oh bart's friends with the like the most famous guy in springfield or this like uh basically like an old style like crusty owns his own studio like he's like Lucille ball in that way. And this episode, it reminded me that they're getting more confident in season three. And then season three has at least three sequel episodes. There's this,

there's a black widower and there's brother. Can you spare two dimes? They're, they're confident enough to say like, you want to know more about these characters, don't you? Yeah. Yeah.

I also love his walk. It's kind of a, a, a Aaron Sorkin is walking talk out here. The camera's not dynamic. I also love his walk. It's kind of a Aaron Sorkin-esque walk and talk. Yeah. We got here. The camera's not dynamic enough. Aaron Sorkin was inspired by it.

He saw this episode and he was like, I got to do that. And I also really noticed that because Dan Castellaneta has to act a lot more as Krusty, he's not in the jibbedaz head that we heard in season one. It was like a much rougher, it was actually closer to the bozo that we heard. He is calm to death. one it was like a much rougher it was actually closer to the bozo that we heard he has commented i i love that he's like for these children he still is acting like a tired road coming like the kids were like ice out there and and also he's canceling everything except for gambling because again the simpsons writers very into gambling on football at this time we'll see that

in like three or four episodes right yep yeah also with that flashback to crusty gets busted that shows you how much like just in 18 months how much their animation has changed like it looks like a different show so much better season one and that's late season one even uh that we're seeing compared to early season three and that was also brad bird right yes yeah with wickham's uh black hair and uh highly different voice i i still i said it the last time we did it but i still love hearing hearing the police chief go like uh won't happen again about arresting the wrong person that was a good joke and so yes uh crusty though he doesn't give a shit uh they cut to uh the simpsons home i i think it's really cute seeing maggie drink out of the same bowl of sand as a little helper that's an adorable little joke. The type of thing you wouldn't normally just waste time with of like, ah, just a little,

a little observational thing. But, but Marge gets a call from Penny Candy in our next clip. Hello? Mrs. Simpson? This is Lois Penny Candy, Krusty the Clown's executive assistant. Oh, hello, Mrs. Penny Candy. It's Miss Penny Candy, I can assure you. I'm sorry to inform you that Krusty will once again not be joining Bart for dinner. Oh, dear. This is the fifth time he's canceled. How can he hurt someone who loves him so? Oh, Mrs. Simpson. I've wasted my womanhood asking that same question.

I apologize for him. Something really important came up at the last minute. Howdy, mildew. That's good enough. Well, thank you for calling. Goodbye. You know, I've cleaned my shower. I've often thought like,

eh, good enough. It's a great little twist of that joke where he's not just cleaning his bathroom, he's also stopped. So he's free now. Yes, that's true. So I was thinking, you got got penny candy of course you got smithers and you've got carl i feel like the the simpsons were really into the idea of the

incredibly devoted assistant who also maybe loves you oh wow yeah idea they were really they really into that idea it makes me wonder if james l brooks or someone else was imagining like does does my production assistant love me is that why they keep sticking around i really i feel like they're with their i i hear you on why they couldn't bring her back more uh for plot reasons but i do think that she makes a really big impression and i think i had kind of forgotten she existed which is sad because i really enjoyed her on this rewatch i would bet they thought they're like oh when we build up uh penny candy we can later do the episode of like crusty and penny candy finally dates or whatever you know it gives you a will they won't they kind of thing

you can root for and now you know crusty meanwhile has married many other women since then including eartha kitt but there's there's so much history in her few lines in this episode she makes a big impact and i think you know she goes away very quickly uh when aljean takes over the show again in season 13 he uses her like one more time i think they remember oh right we have that character but not for any reason that's like good or interesting she just gives a line to crusty and that's basically and then nothing ever after that so it's been a long time since we've seen her i think like 17 years you know the mercenary the Mercantile era with Homie the Clown, that's all about Krusty and his finances.

But instead they give him just a regular accountant guy who tells him, like, don't spend your money instead of Penny Candy doing it. But yes, so then Bart still thinks he's going to get Krusty to visit. He's already bragging to Milhouse. This is why Milhouse shows up unannounced. Bart's bragging to him all the time that crusty's coming over of course of course millhouse is going to try to jump on the uh top on that train i also love the joke of it's a real pause and read it one that i never really paused and read that the crusty cologne which says it's non-toxic but it's covered in warnings of like it's going to stain furniture don't uh it might may cause skin

damage and i also love that it says the smell of the big top, which like no one wants to smell like a carnival. Is this the first joke about bad Krusty merch? You know, it might be. Because Camp Krusty has a ton of jokes like that where he's complaining like my calculator didn't have a seven or an eight. You know, I just bought a uh a crusty a crusty bucket hat uh and all it is is like black outside uh blue inside and the only crusty bit is that it has the accurate to the show crusty seal of quality on it so is this a new radical style hat henry oh god you're right man now you're gonna get me to not wear if i see you dancing you dancing in a mall, we're going to make some changes around here.

That's all I'm saying. You know, my husband's really into bucket hats. So I was like, you know what? Let's have couples bucket hats for our next trip. Let's wear them together. That sounds couples bucket hats. Couples bucket hats to me sounds like maybe more problematic than dancing in the mall. But I do also respect it because you really leaned into that choice.

You know, now the malls are pretty empty. We can have so much fun. You can't chase phonies out of stores anymore. They're all gone. Yeah, so Bart heads down and finds out that Krusty's canceled on him for the fifth time, which that's a lot of cancellations. And Bart is, of course, singing. this episode's already filled so much with old entertainment but they got to get even older yeah so this could be the start of something big uh it is actually

the second tonight show theme for the Steve Allen version written by Steve Allen so that was the first tonight show and then it was Jack Parr and and then johnny carson i think i think so or was it no i think it was parr then alan then carson okay i think in any case uh that was his second theme that he wrote which if you weren't alive in 1957 why would you ever know the steve allen tonight show theme of this could be the start of something big which is so it's a funny thing to give bart uh but unfortunately bart is disappointed once once more. You know, you think all these Hollywood phonies letting you down, you think they're coming over to hang out and they cancel and cancel on you. The thing about that song that I wanted to mention is that the reason that I know that song is because Pia Sidora sings it in Naked Gun 33 and a third at the Oscars.

Oh, wow. And that's a cultural touchpoint. That's why I know the song song because she does sing it i didn't know piazzadora was notoriously you know a razzie award winner but um yeah no i mean that's uh probably just as important as uh any tonight show wow i you know i forgot that song i only i remember uh raquel welch presents with him in that in that, but I forgot that. Yeah, that's it should be remembered for that Piazzador song and not the very poorly aged crying game jokes in that movie. Let's let's just remember the Piazzador. I was just thinking the things that I remember are that moment and the transphobic Anna Nicole Smith stuff.

But but the rest is, I'm sure, gold. Yeah, I'm sure that aged great. It's all great so bart becomes jaded by this news he uh you know what i think it's very realistic that bart's like uh you know what i've finally been let down and nothing in life matters uh but also talking about things that feel like a season one sequel bart sitting down and writing a letter that is what they did a million times in season one yeah a character writing a letter at least they cut away to someone reading it yeah they had advanced their technique that far it's not like let's sit with the character the entire time

as they write it i like 40 seconds of it let's do it's a nice like match cut to crusty reading the letter i believe it's like the letter goes into his hands or something it's like fade from one letter to the other penny candy reading okay yeah the penny candy reading. Okay, the penny candy. Yeah, yeah. And of course, Krusty is very busy in this moment. I always suspected that nothing in life mattered. Now I know for sure. Get bent, Bart Simpson. Ooh, sex chat. You've reached the party line.

In a moment, you'll be connected to a hot party with some of the world's most beautiful women. Now, let's join the party. Hello? Hello? Hello? Are there any women here? Hello?

Are you a beautiful woman? Do I sound like a beautiful woman? This is not as hot a party as I had anticipated. Read this. I, um, uh, uh, dear, dear, dear, crust, why? It says that the little boy who never lost faith in you has lost faith in you. Krusty, you are going to Bart Simpson's house for dinner tonight. But I have plans. They ain't got the faith.

Why, you maddening, impossible man. If you don't go tonight, I won't be here tomorrow. Oh, all right, I'll go. Oh, Krusty. But I sure hate missing schnapps night at the Friars Club. That's sex chat.

Just hearing Krusty say, ooh, sex chat. Like, what a funny... I laughed just hearing that. We're learning more about Krusty and Apu. It's funny that the only known character on the sex chat is Apu. So it's like, well, he's a single. He's horny. Everybody. Then yes, the sex chat is only other men talking to each other, which I love that shot of all five of them i was thinking of that uh as an example of zoom recording podcast perhaps that same kind of picture just i just was thinking about how the kids today don't know about sex chats i mean they do but not about calling a dirty phone line for to talk to uh to a party line uh if you will, which I used to, we used to make crank calls to them

from my temple public phone to call the various numbers we had collected and then hang up before you had to pay anything. Wow, man. What a fun intersection of Judaism and this episode. Yeah, I was like, that's a good way to bring it back to Judaism. But they were so expensive.

It was like, that's a good way to bring it back to Judaism. But they were so expensive. It was really expensive. I know there have been other hotlines on The Simpsons, the Corey hotline, and I'm sure there are others that work. But they were real and very expensive. You know, today's online sex chat is really a buyer's market. It's much better for the consumer. It really is. It's the only place if you do a sex chat now you can actually there's a camera so you know you're actually talking to a real person uh versus you know getting to hang

out with a bunch of uh horny men which is fine for for many of us but maybe not what uh crusty was looking for sex chat is the only place where consumer rights got better for all of us now i remember uh i just like one day friends and i just sat around thinking of like what about 1 900 hot butt we would call it and we would see because there's a point there's a point where it'd be like you would have to pay after a certain point but there'd be like for for this press one for this press two and we laugh at all the selections man you would almost always i remember doing that too and you almost always find something those numbers were uh were fully you know they they kind of grabbed all the all the available combinations of dirty words

man you know i none of my me and my friends weren't that dirty then no none of my pals i i made a dirtier friends by the internet age who would certainly say hey look at this and show me horrible horrible things on on a computer but in the phone era, not so much. We didn't have any dirty pranksters in my friend group then. I feel so innocent. This thing about Krusty not knowing how to read, it's paying off season one. They're not explaining he doesn't know how to read.

They quietly made him literate over time. There was no Krusty learns to read episode, which I think is a big uh missing piece that could have been a great episode they could do a flashback it's not it's not too late yeah i feel like crusty learning how to read is a great comedic premise but they realize like oh a lot of jokes won't work if he can't read a sign or a paper or a contract or whatever so i love that he reads d ear crust why like he misreads his own name. I got so good. Though then I did, uh, in, in very pedantic style later in the episode where I'm like,

when I see him in, uh, in class, I mean, okay. He could be illiterate to like English, but, but know how to read Hebrew. Uh, perhaps I guess i guess but it it seems weird that he'd be illiterate but could read from the talmud in class right that uh i isn't that a problem i don't know how like yeshiva schools work but it's it's possible he wasn't being taught he was being taught you know to hebrew i mean if you there are you know now if you're like in uh hasidic neighborhoods i believe they only speak yiddish. I don't think they speak English. They know English, but I think they exclusively speak Yiddish and they have accents when they speak in English. I should know more about Hasidic people before I say these things on a podcast.

But yeah, they do have schools where they learn in Yiddish and Hebrew. We are counting on you to be the expert on Hasidic culture here. I know. I know. I mean, yeah, I'd have to look into that more. But I think that I'm willing to kind of fan link that based on my limited knowledge of Hasidic Jews. So Krusty then could be illiterate of reading English then. It totally would make sense then.

Yes, I'm sure they did all the research necessary to explain that. I wonder why Krusty says not the face when he gets slapped is he is he saying he would prefer a slap otherwise if it wasn't in the face i think the face is the money maker oh yeah don't hurt his face of course so uh but yeah i also i love the design on the card of sex chat too i just wanted to say that just such a great great, just gross design on it. But yeah, also Brad Bird and Jeffrey Lynch there posing on this is so great. Like Krusty is taller than her normally, but for this scene, it works so much better that he is sat down and she's towering over him.

And as she's chewing him out and letting him know he's got to do it, like, or that she's going to quit. The posing on it is so great as she talks him into it and so he he agrees he's going to go even though he's going to miss schnapps night at the friars which it sounds uh a bunch of uh old friars drunk on schnapps specifically that's uh what a fun vision but but yeah so instead uh for the sixth time he agrees if i was bart i still wouldn't believe it even with march saying oh no really he is like no way uh there's there's a really i mean i feel like brad bird uh was trying some some uh pretty interesting things in this episode i feel like

there's some camera mistakes in this next scene because it's always bothered me when bart says god bless that clown it's a shot of just like his t-zone basically yeah yeah i don't understand why it does seem it does seem zoomed in to potentially cover a mess up on uh yeah animation mistake like maybe the lip sync was so bad they could not do anything with it so they just had to zoom in on bart's like nose and eyes it's avant-garde yeah it's uh it's like dragnet it's super zoomed in. By the way, I used the word T-Zone, which I don't think anyone's used since like 1993. It made me think of old commercials.

I mean, I think it's still an evocative phrase. Okay, cool. I wasn't sure if it existed beyond clear sill heads. No, I think I bought these pore strips and they say to put them on your chin, your nose, and your T-zone. Oh, well, there you go. All right. So, yes, Krusty arrives at home, and just a good joke of Homer saying, like, you think it's him when it's a laughing, honking clown.

And, yeah, they mention this on the commentary. This is a skill and energy that that crusty rarely shows after this like he's usually not good at clowning or very tired and doesn't want to actually do you know tumbling or uh well as he says later he phases that out for dirty limericks that's right there once was a man from enos uh and so uh as as he's doing his pratfalls and punchinello antics millhouse arrives which uh you know was it i don't think i ever invited myself on a trip like that but as a kid i often i think we contemplated it like i know they're going somewhere maybe they'd take me to disneyland

millhouse is really emerging as the best friend he was basically defined as bart's best friend in the last episode and all the other friends just evaporated Richard and Lewis turned to sand Milhouse is now number one actually this this inviting yourself into meet a famous person thing I think we knew a person in the games press who did that to a game developer who's coming for an interview and the person didn't get to get to do the interview but they're like oh hey I just happen to be here today hey that's called the hustle right yeah doing the hustle i don't think it helped that person very much though as you as you pointed out i mean like bart made the mistake of bragging to milhouse incessantly about this so it was only a matter of time uh before he would show up see now me and bob know that you're hanging out with the beetlejuiceice actor all the time. We're going to invite ourselves to your place. You know what?

You go right ahead. You're always welcome. So, yeah, we're talking about Jewish culture. Secular white people culture is if your friend comes over and you're eating dinner, that friend goes home. Yes. You know, the millhouse dressed up and everything. Bart's being nice. I love how he says you can drop the charade.

He doesn't say charade. He says charade. So, yes this is when lisa tells him he doesn't have to do all this stuff and so he he then tells his monkey to wait outside you know the wiki says that his first appearance was on itchy and scratchy in march but i went back through that i don't think mr teeny's in there i think this is mr teeny's first appearance suspect or at least his first voice role his first speaking role i guess it's possible in the background with crusty there's a monkey somewhere but yeah i i don't think it's mr teeny oh lewis no i was i mean i i it seemed like the first mr teeny appearance to me though i believe there was an unrelated monkey in an earlier episode yeah there's not to say there were monkeys before but this monkey is officially

mr well he won't be named Mr. Teeny until Homer alone, which is when Krusty is stuck in traffic behind Marge, who's locked down traffic. And he says, Mr. Teeny spilled ice cream all over. It's like, oh, Mr. Teeny, you spilled ice cream all over the car. Like, so that's that's when he got his name. But it's just there's something again. It feels very old of like it did that.

It still is. It's still to this day. it feels very old of like it did that it still is it still to this day crusty hangs out with a monkey that smokes that's always or a chimp i suppose i shouldn't say monkey the homer i think he's a chimp yeah i mean i guess i i my thought always goes to michael jackson and bubbles you know the phenomenon of a celebrity having a a chimp best friend which bieber tried and then i think he had to leave the monkey somewhere um for reasons but you know, the phenomenon of a celebrity having a chimp best friend, which Bieber tried. And then I think he had to leave the monkey somewhere for reasons. But yeah, it was, you know, it was a moment. You know, I think we're more in tune with animal rights protections that I think the realities of when celebrities keep animals,

it's too many, it turns into bad PR for the celebrity. Yeah, no, it's not it was definitely you know of its time you know when we did research on our michael jackson episode of the simpsons we learned that bubbles is still alive and monstrously ugly yes yeah which that's that's mean to put in an article about him but it's what the that's what the press said yeah i actually did know that bubbles is still alive alive. I also just saw the Michael Jackson musical MJ, which does contain a reference to Bubbles. Okay.

I hear that musical for some reason stops in 1992 or 93 or so. Yes, for reasons that no one can understand. It stops just a year before any allegations of child sexual abuse. And probably it's just a coincidence i'm still waiting for the bubbles uh pov movie yeah dan harman promised us that i yeah i mean i i think after seeing mj i'm good for a bit but i would like to see some other takes on it i also was upset they included the pepsi uh commercial incident but uh it was kind of happening off stage um the sound of explosion and his hair catching fire but i wanted to see the hair on fire that could that could have been it's that could have been its phantom chandeliers every night you get to watch him catch on fire

there's another sort of stagecraft moment that is the equivalent of a chandelier so um you know what i had a good time it wasn't even a good show but i enjoyed it and here i am about it we're so far i've recommended beetlejuice and mj as shows you must see and uh so yes it's time to say grace uh i love bart's slap on millhouse as he's his millhouse is starting to say grace and yes as a child i thought he was saying funny talk i didn't know what these words were that crusty was saying it was i i was that's what's great about the scene that homer is the child at home watching who doesn't know this while lisa the eight-year-old is is recognizes it instantly as hebrew and knows that it knows it is a sign that crusty is jewish yeah i was very um this was the moment that I was like so excited

because I, of course, instantly recognized it as someone who went to Jewish day school and had to say that before eating anything. There's a prayer for eating and for drinking. And yeah, I don't, I really wish I could remember exactly when I saw this, but I remember being like pleasantly surprised by it. And I wonder if that was because I wasn't seeing a ton of Jewish characters on the shows that I was watching because I certainly was surrounded by Jews.

So I didn't I didn't know until later in life that not everyone was Jewish as someone who like grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and went to Jewish day school. But certainly, you know, seeing it on TV was still was still exciting. You know, I should say in my my youth, I I grew up in the South. And yes, I did not know any Jewish kids or at least I if I knew if there were kids in class who were Jewish, I didn't know that to be a fact. And I later one of my best friends when I started in the games press, she she was Jewish and also grew up in the South in Texas. And she talked about like, well, yes, there's a reason Jews in Texas don't talk as much about as being Jewish in the South. It's because they'll be treated pretty shittily the more they talk about it. So that was my understanding of the plight of a lot of Jews in Southern areas like where

I grew up, which is unfortunate. Well, my connection with this scene is that I recognize Milhouse's grace because we had to say it before lunch at a school every day. And it was said with the cadence of, I pledge allegiance to the flag. It was like, bless us.

Oh Lord, these are gifts. We were just going through the motion so we could finally eat our, our Dunkaroos or whatever. So I was like, Hey, I've never heard this prayer on TV before. Krusty's bringing a lot of energy to his prayer. Yeah, it's true. Milhouse, he's trying to like soup it up a bit.

Oh, yeah. He's performing for company for sure. As Krusty says a prayer before eating, the waterworks come. Who wants to say grace? Why didn't we let our guests do it? Bless us, O Lord. Hey, Krusty, would you do the honors? Well, all right.

I'm a little rusty, but I'll try. Baruch atah Adonai. Eloheinu melech haolam. Hamotzi lechem. Min ha'aretz. He's talking funny talk. No, Dad, that's Hebrew. Krusty must be Jewish.

A Jewish entertainer? Get out of here. Dad, there are many prominent Jewish entertainers, including Lauren Bacall, Dunshore, William Shatner, and Mel Brooks. Mel Brooks is Jewish? Krusty, are you all right? Yes, it's just that saying the br the broker brings back a lot of painful memories.

The old day. My, my father. Hey, Krusty, you going to finish that meatloaf or what? That was some real recycled animation there of Homer asking about the meatloaf. Like, i think they didn't want to just leave it on crusty crying i'd have just left it on his crying i think i i it's more powerful that way but yeah poor crusty just sobbing i also yeah a new level of stupidness to homer here that he does not know that mel brooks is jewish that he's like mel of all people mel

brooks is jewish what he'll meet him in about four years, right? That's right. Three years. I thought that was a great bit. I think that the biggest laughs for me rewatching this were the Mel Brooks joke and also Homer's, as you mentioned earlier. Do you think that's him when Krusty arrives at the door making clown sounds? I think really, really great Homer moments. You know, probably I learned a lot about Judaism from watching Mel Brooks films as well as a kid. I saw Spaceballs 167 times and that taught me a lot.

You know, see, again, as a little, yeah, the first, until teen years, the joke about her original nose or that she doesn't look Druish. Druish, yeah. Those jokes flew right over the old head there. Yeah. But anywho, so all right, they come back from commercial.

I also love Lisa's line of like, poor Krusty, he's a black velvet painting come to life. Like Lisa has a lot of little funny asides in this. Same with her like pratfalls and punchinello antics. Like she's, this is as illiterate as Lisa gets in her references here. And so Krusty is pushed to tell his story where he takes us back to the old neighborhood of his youth in our next clip. First of all, my real name

isn't Krusty the Clown. It's Herschel Krustofsky. My father was a rabbi. His father was a rabbi. His father's father... Well, you get the idea. My father was the most respected man in the Lower East Side of Springfield. People would come from miles around to ask his advice.

Reb Kostovsky, should I finish college? Yes, for no one is poor except he who lacks knowledge. Rabbi, should I have another child? Yes, another child would be a blessing on your house. Rabbi, should I buy a Chrysler? Could you rephrase that as an ethical question? Um, there's a right to buy a Chrysler. Oh, yes.

For great is the car with power steering and Dynaflow suspension. Papa, when I grow up, can I be a clown? No, clown is not a respected member of the community. I want to make people laugh. Herschel, life is not fun. Life is serious. Seltzer is for drinking, not for spraying. Fry is for noshing, not for throwing.

But nothing will do as I say, or you'll get such a zitz that you won't even know what hit you. Apparently zitz is Yiddish for hitting or a hit. I suppose that's what Google, all these things are Google translations for me, but that's what it says what zets mean i know i think that's probably accurate and uh but yes that's the big guest star jackie mason yes born yakov moysha maza in sheboygan that's a lot of funny words right uh but he died last year at the age of 93 uh yeah last year 2021 so a fairly recent passing uh jackie mason yeah i it's so crazy with jackie mason he was like the inverse i have so many uh celebrities where i'm like oh i forgot they died kind of thing but for him it was the opposite over and over again probably for like a decade i was like oh jackie mason rip like no he's not dead he's

yeah i mean he lived in 93 maybe it was like henny youngman died and i was like oh that's i i just put them together he played the violin too right yeah comedically i think jackie mason's you know year his vitriol um kept him alive for a long time just his like his meanness and and and misanthropy um that'll take you to a to a ripe old age and he appeared uh at least three other times as this character dan would play him a few times but they did kill him off in i believe 2015 or something like that yeah season 26 they'd uh they considered killing him off in 2008 uh then they decided in his appearance before that but they decided not to i remember when uh hyman kristofsky passed away on the show they advertised it with one of those ads that was like this week

someone dies on the simpsons a beloved character had a bunch of heads of all these major characters and then down in the corner was rabbi kristofsky and i was like all right i know i know who's dying here he was never popular it was the season premiere right, I know who's dying here. He was never popular. It was the season premiere, right? I think so, yeah. And I remember those ads. And I feel like it was somehow, like people thought Krusty was going to die or it was so there was some sort of like,

there was a vibe. Maybe that was part of the ad campaign. I don't remember. But the feeling was that Krusty was going to die. I learned a ton about Jackie Mason by doing research about him, including the fact that his career was incredibly derailed in the 60s because he pissed off Ed Sullivan. He was doing a spot on Ed Sullivan,

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and jackie mason was like like kind of doing a mocking gesture back at him ed sullivan was so vindictive he did not let him back on the show and jackie mason blames that for derailing his career in the 60s wow so it's the uh it's though it's one of those urban legends like the one about how uh the kids show host said that'll hold those little sobs it didn't actually happen wow okay man that's that's so funny that's why i well they mentioned on the commentary they're like jackie mason trained as a rabbi and that he then instead decided to go into comedy instead and so it's uh funny well a great casting then to play a rabbi who hates entertainment yeah and at this point in his career i think starting in the 80s he was

getting a lot of acclaim for doing these one-man shows so this got him a second emmy this performance this first emmy was for the one-man show the world according to me uh so yeah he was uh doing these big one-man shows on Broadway. I think he was doing them up until 2010, I believe. Wow. Or the late aughts, probably. He was the Billy Crystal of his day. Speaking of Billy Crystal, Mr. Saturday Night, now on Broadway, starring Billy Crystal.

Ooh, man. I just had to mention the third Broadway show. Not really a Jackie Mason fan in any way, really, but I do appreciate his performance here. I think his shtick works for the character. Sort of like how I don't really get Rodney Dangerfield, but I didn't mind him on The Simpsons. Sometimes when it's animated, it just goes down easier. One last thing, because Gilbert Goffey just left us, by the way, and his podcast was a great source of information about old Hollywood and old TV.

And from that podcast, I know that Ed Sullivan was just a humorless, vindictive prick with so many vendettas. He should never have been hosting that show. How he ended up in that slot, nobody knows, but he had zero sense of humor and was just bad at his job. But he used his power to destroy careers. Wow. He's not the

comical really big shoe guy he sucked oh wow i mean i think anyone who's watched an ed sullivan clip could tell you that that guy sucks no one remembers it has very little charisma uh you know the uh this design of old springfield or the east side of springfield is uh it's taken from godfather part two though so it it it replaces italians with the with jewish people uh but uh it's same same kind of you know immigrant style i guess to it but i i love to the design the design of kid crusty it's like his yarmulke putting it on his head shapes his big hair into the crusty hair like that's what i i really like about the design of it. Like he's,

he's not trying to have clown hair. It's just part, part of what the, the yarmulke shapes it into. I feel like. They're very heavy. Yeah. Yes.

You know, it's his dad got industrial strength. I, I also like the Yiddle. Yeah. The, the Yiddle joke shop also sells medical supplies. That's an important part of his business. You know, I also like that Yiddle, the Yiddle joke shop also sells medical supplies.

That's an important part of his business. You know, he can't just make the money off of just practical joke things. He also needs to sell medical supplies. Though also the story of him making fun of his dad, I feel like it would be big news that at least within the community that the rabbi strangled his son in the middle of class in front of a bunch of other children. I don't know. It was the 50s, I guess. Maybe that stuff didn't leave the school. son in the middle of class in front of a bunch of other children i don't know it was uh it was the 50s i guess maybe that stuff didn't leave the the school but uh but yeah so bart then gets

strangled as well right after that when he says like i don't even like using the bathroom after you on bar on homer which that's real like uh but um that's a that's a good line they snuck in a poop joke during this emotional storytelling yes well then they follow that poop joke with a masturbation joke. That's right. Hey, folks, remember Portnoy's Complaint, the famous adaptation of the Philip Roth novel? Sure. Anyone? Well, guess what?

There's a famous masturbation scene in that movie that's from the book, and that's a parody of it. Krusty spraying himself in the face with seltzer. It's a pretty filthy joke. And I read that book just to get this joke. I was unemployed the one of the biggest recessions in my lifetime i was like i might as well read this book and i read it and it's fine it really feels like a book your boomer american lit teacher would give you anything from

like philip roth or john uptake or john irving or john cheever a lot of john's in there uh it just feels like this is a coming of age book, but it's only really relevant if you're a boomer. Emphasis on coming. Yes. I always thought of it as like catcher in the rye for Jews. But I think your comparisons are probably more apt. It's like, it was famously like challenged book because it's like a lot of,

it's a coming of age story, but it's like, it spares, it doesn't pull any punches. It's a lot of really body humor that honestly is like kind of tame today but still in in the sick late 60s years ago shocked a lot of people right i mean yeah i mean mostly what it was i i mean i knew it as a piece of media i never read it or seen adaptations but i knew it as a piece of media because it's about him yanking it you know or it's just philip roth describes probably the a slightly above average uh adolescent boys amount of self uh pleasure uh but in such detail that really sticks with you especially the the liver aspect of it as well right yeah it's like the first american pie uh movie really because instead of fucking a pie he fucks a

piece of liver yes yes do we think that the censors did not understand the reference and that's why it got in there because it feels like the kind of joke that they would not have let pass oh yeah the joke was being made if if the censors knew that crusty was basically coming in his own face with that joke i don't think they let it on tv uh i i love jackie mason's acting in that scene too he's like open the door this instant like he's it's more like uh jackie mason is acting it out not sad not very naturalistic i guess but that's what makes it funny but yes the the seltzer in the face is is uh the quite a great metaphor there so yes after all of this they it feels like they miss a step that the crusty says oh my big break

was this uh this thing in the cat skills i was like well wait how a step that the crusty says oh my big break was this uh this thing in the cat skills i was like well wait how'd you book that crusty why is all of a sudden you're on stage like there's it feels like there's a missing part here but uh but yeah this so this is where it gets really jazz singer-y though uh fortunately the clown makeup replaces blackface from the original al jolson one or oh i never thought of that like they're both wearing makeup yes characters yeah but yes and even in the original it is also about a uh i believe a jewish father as well that does so in this sequence here we we get to hear the uh well actually they even just directly reference jazz singer in the scene here do you know that

my son herschel was first in his yeshiva class As a matter of fact he was voted the most likely To hear God Oh go on Hyman you're exaggerating again You're so proud of your son A rabbi would never exaggerate A rabbi composes He creates thoughts He tells stories that may never have happened

But he does not exaggerate My father would have never suspected a thing But not for one rowdy rabbi Hey funny man! Herson. Herson. Oy vey smir. You have brought shame on our family.

Oh, if you were a musician or a jazz singer, this I could forgive, but this? I never want to see you again. Yo, you clone. And I haven't seen my father since. That is so sad. Krusty, do you think about your father a lot? All the time.

Except when I'm at the track, then it's all business. Oh, poor, poor Krusty. I mean, because he can't be more than like what 15 there that his dad disowns him like he's uh did he just like join the circus after that and go on the road i guess they haven't spoken in 25 years and that was the last time so yeah we don't know how old crusty is yet they age him up a bit uh next year you know the next year johnny carson will say you've been on tv longer than me which would make him like in his mid-50s uh but uh yeah that's it's a it's a sad scene but uh but yes it's also funny that he he literally says if you were an entertainer or a jazz singer this i could forgive

but they have a clown uh just just to get right i'd say yeah i i didn't watch the neil diamond jazz singer before this but i did watch uh the the trailer is so funny because they just talk up neil diamond so much and he's like they're saying like oh the the greatest singer who sold 50 million albums is going to be this this great actor and every scene they show is like he is so bad at acting he's just so he's just like looking right at the camera like i'd'd never do anything near my father, but I got to get to LA. I think the original is only known for being the first feature length talkie. Well, yeah. And that's basically it.

No one's sitting down to watch it, you know. Yeah. I mean, and now it's very culturally. I mean, it was honestly 40 years ago. People were like, well, the Al Jolson jazz singer, this looks really bad. Wow. Isn't it horrible? There's a shocking amount of blackface in lots of movies from that era, including ones that have stayed kind of as classics, but with an asterisk.

Yeah. You know, it's, I think, what, Holiday Inn, right? Or is it White Christmas? One of those two has. Maybe both of those movies have blackface in them you know i just re-watched singing in the rain they talk a lot about the jazz singer but not once has anyone dipped into the shoe polish in that movie that's good that's good uh no i mean but in the yeah the big story in in the neil diamond jazz singer is that he was a terrible

actor that they like they they couldn't get him to act and that they then like fired the director and had to hire a second one on it and that also uh lawrence olivier just did it entirely for the money and his agreement was like i will not do one second of promotion for this like you and i mean he yes he the the character is saying i have no son and tearing his sleeve that that is the the lawrence olivier version that gets referenced in including in this episode and on the commentary you can hear brad bird bemoan the fact that this scene didn't transition correctly because he wanted the closing spotlight he wanted that scene to fade into the simpsons kitchen table and when the spotlight completely closes the light snuffs out on the table in front of crusty when it fades to crusty the lights already out the candles already out so too bad

he's like you try to make all these things work but there's like all this overseas miscommunication you only have so much money and time so at least he let us know like what he wanted to do it wouldn't look nice you know you get close enough it's it's and it's it's so sad seeing him like crusty just walk away the little young crusty walk away sobbing with his, you know, menorah of balloons. That's sad. It's sad. And then what a great little moment here that after that you see that Krusty is a very, very needy person who just like that's the other side of him here.

Krusty has been pushing them away and doing nothing with them. And now once he's there, he's like, not leaving like i'm here all day i've i have no family like i it's it's so it's it's a great joke like what a great way to a place to take a sad character with crusty and that he's looking for excuses to stay this actually that that he makes millhouse cry and this is the next clip is my favorite bit. Well, look at the time. Almost midnight. Do you have any yearbooks? No, that's it.

You've seen everything. So, Milhouse, no any knock-knock jokes? I want to go home. Maybe you better take Milhouse home. Gladly. Wow, the concert for Bangladesh. Good night, Krusty. Sorry about your dad.

Don't worry about me. I'm a survivor. Hey, did I leave my keys inside? No! Oh yeah, here they are. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Just the way Milhouse Burstin is here is like, i want to go home like he he can't act nice anymore he's just so tired that concert for bangladesh album is 100 minutes long and the track crusty puts on is 17 minutes long although he skips like what the george harrison intro there's like a little spoken intro where where it's george George Harrison demanding all the cool people in the audience say like, be respectful to Ravi Shankar and listen to this music. And then we'll play the rock music. Okay. Which people do sit through it. And it is

for Xers or boomers. They're like, God, I had to, I always skip that Ravi Shankar song at the start of concert for Bangladesh. I want to get straight to George Harrison I I found all the uh the crusty lingering stuff to be kind of touching I think it's a great it's a great gag it's also kind of sad and and funny although I think yeah the Milhouse crying to leave part is is definitely the highlight but yeah I don't know I like him feeling so desperate for human connection that he uh that he won't leave I like thinking that you know all of these comedy producers they know all these all these celebrities that they must be basing this on some famous person who like let's just say tom cruise just to name a famous person that

is like oh tom cruise it turns out he has no actual friends and so when he can just be around normal people he he like wants to never leave just to soak it all in like just uh just the sad neediness of it all from crusty there's a similar story about uh one of the snl head writers i think it happened after this but uh it might have been jim downey actually where uh like he kept having all the writers uh get together on like saturdays and sundays but they wouldn't write anything he would just make them watch college basketball games he taped and it's because he was going through a divorce and was really lonely. So he was forcing his employees to hang out with him. And you know, that's the

power of the showrunner. You make people. If it wasn't Jim Downey, I'm sorry, Jim Downey, but you don't listen to podcasts. So yes, Krusty makes a sad walk home. There's what a not at all timely joke now, but like, like boy there's so many niche magazines who'd ever think is so many niche magazines there's a magazine for every one for every video game console that'll never last i mean i would i i think modern jewish father magazine is a great idea um i love the cover of like the the whole desktop with the jewish father and son and crusty's reaction to it like he's sobbing like what great animation dude he's like ah like he just turns around and

cries and and then yes that is his final stop because he's not going to sleep or go home he's just gonna sit in an empty bus station all night watching t quarter operated black and white tv and i have that as my zoom background the bus driver is asleep like on a couch next to him no bus is operating right now he's drunk though he's definitely drunk right he got wasted i think that's that's how i saw it in another very boomery thing making fun of old bad hercules movies that are poorly dubbed yes yeah hercules you'll never escape i wonder you know the way he says mighty hercules, it reminded me of Crankor from Prince of Space. So he in that other 60s classic, I was on MSD3K like Prince of Space.

This is Hercules versus the Martians. There was like Hercules conquers the moon man or something. Yeah, that was on Misty. Yeah. And then that seemingly crusty often does this in his life of like stays up all night, gets drunk and then calls his dad, but doesn't have the guts to say anything. I'm just like, man, it's, you know, it's real dark stuff with Krusty. That was Hercules against the moon, man. I apologize.

Thank you. You prevented a comment. I was going to say you had a lot of complaints if you had to fix that so then there's a quick little cartoon of of children a father and son killing another father and son which uh i i have the quick clip here but the animation of this is some of my favorite animation in the series ever and it's by brad bird in it because it's just he heard dan's line reading of this next scene and he's's like, I have to animate this. Didn't Itchy Jr. look happy playing with his father? Didn't Scratchy Jr. look happy playing with his dad until they got run over by the Thresher?

Wasn't that a beautiful cartoon? Oh, God. Cut to a commercial. Poor Krusty. A man who envies our family is a man who needs help we've got to do something let's move i just love that he's like he's he's so close to sobbing the whole time and once he finally busts he's like for the love of god go to commercial like what do i pay you guys for cut to a commercial commercial i'm stopping on tv uh just his red his red eyes because he's been staying up all night too and just his breakdown just god i love every second of that yeah it reminds me a lot of a similar scene in a movie that's not great but i

am very nostalgic for that's uhf it's after uh weird al's girlfriend breaks up with him he is he's playing like a crusty role. He's hosting like a cartoon post show, right? On the movie. And they cut back from a Roadrunner cartoon and he just has like a nervous breakdown about how life is always smashing you in the face and you could never win. It's one of the best weird Al performances

ever. I gotta recommend that part of UHF at least. I'm not here for the UHF slander, but I admittedly have not revisited UHF in a very long time and I'll probably keep it that way. The one thing that doesn't age well is the Asian people jumping out of the closet

and yelling supplies. Yeah, that's right. I do like him screaming stupid. You're so stupid. That made me laugh. Michael Richards, good performance. A pre-Kramer Michael Richards. That's right. Henryry he's apologized he has he has no honestly i would say i i think of the people in that movie weird al is probably the age the best uh in terms of how

we feel about weird out now friend rusher also yeah um victoria jackson she's the lowest honestly like yeah she uh she wishes she had michael richards no friend she's a total babe in that movie too oh god yes yeah but uh you know i i liked uhf i liked it a lot as a kid man i'll go back and watch maybe it's not as good as i remember but uh it but yeah i there's something about just a a person on TV trying not to cry and just keeping on a brave face. Like there's just something so funny about it, especially that it's a clown, that it's a TV kid's cartoon clown trying not to cry in front of his projector. Just so good. That Lisa says, you know, a man who envies our family is a man who needs help. Like that's a great, you talk about this being a sequel to crusty gets busted as well like this is basically the same moment in crusty gets busted where they watch tv

and bart and lisa are like okay time to investigate they're gonna solve the problem it's the bobsy twins going on an adventure first they had to reverend love joy which is a cute you know honestly they could have just found his name in a phone book and get to the next scene. But I liked that they had to ask their, their reverend for it. And that his first reaction was just like, Oh wait, well, you know what you, you don't need to convert. Like, uh, we're working, we're working hard to stay with modern Christians though. 10 years later, he loses Lisa to Buddhism. That's true. This scene reminds me of telling people about your podcast i wrote down the same thing i wrote down the same thing oh you know what i'm so behind on podcasts i'm sorry you know i've been meaning to listen uh even me and you could just be like i got a t-shirt right here

do you want it like i'll wear it later yeah we actually have t-shirts we do do you have gabon about god t-shirts uh no but i'm to tell my wife to make some for our TeePublic store. I'm going to ask her and we'll pay her to make some. Yes, yes, yes. I'm going to make her make some. That came out wrong. I'm sorry. We have paid her well for all the t-shirts.

I know she's listening. But I also love that the way Bart says, yeah, we'll put it on later. Just put it. We'll wear it later. No, it's. Yes. Basically, the Re rabbit love joy has his own podcast which uh he and also I love that he has to pull up rabbi

uh Christoph's number in his non-christian rolodex that's a funny good joke our patreon miniseries about Batman the animated series is called blabbing about Batman I'm referencing this that's right that is why we called it that I totally forgot and uh i need a great a great name for a podcast um for people who don't get the reference who just think it's you know a phrase you came up with because um it works either

way i'm not that clever finally then after a quick search bart Bart and Lisa approached the rabbi. Rabbi Kostovsky, I do a radio calling show with him every Sunday night. Really? I didn't know that. See, I'm answering it in my sermon every week. Oh, that radio show. Oh, yeah, it's all the kids talk about on Monday at school. Oh, well, why don't you have a free T-shirt? You'll be the coolest kids in the playground. Oh, we'll put them on later.

Now, can you give us a rabbi's address? Oh, sure thing. Let me just check my non-Christian Rolodex. I bet the rabbi misses Krusty. He'll be so happy he'll be crying in his beard. Oh, yes, yes. Excuse us, Rabbi Krustofsky. Oh, what can I do for you, my young friend?

We came to talk to you about your son. I have no son. Oh, great. We came all this way and it's the wrong guy. I didn't mean that literally. I didn't mean that. What a good. That's a good.

Because Bart and Lisa don't get the reference. Do you think the Rocko's Modern Life episode, I Have No Son, is also referencing that? Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. I thought so, too. That's a classic. And now that character has transitioned.

That's right. Yeah. But I also love just the rabbi. Even along in his career, he is still studying the scripture so engrossed. He's just like oh yes very good like he's he's he's really into it even to this day i don't know what else you do as a rabbi to be honest it seems like kind of need to to keep setting it but yeah i mean that's what that's what rabbis are there for we we find out later he's not just a rabbi he's a mohel as well

so he's a busy busy guy but yeah so actually that's the one bit of Jewish culture Seinfeld taught me about. The Moyle. That is how I learned about it as well, yes. Though then also South Park then did a... They did a Moyle episode soon afterwards, too. I suppose, yes, later in life I learned about Judaism through

South Park. Probably a bad place to learn about Judaism, perhaps. Especially because Matt Stone is not a particularly jewish person or as in like religious person i should say but anyway all right we come back for the commercial break we get to hear the kbbl uh jingle and i love that the announcer even just says that like oh yeah this is a legal obligation we're filling sunday night dead zone with with unpopular programming i i like this producer or engineer character and i just got the joke now where he didn't well i mean he doesn't want to be there that's obvious but his frustration is with the

panelists will only say yes or no to every question that's why he's frustrated i don't think i got that uh that very subtle joke before because the joke about him being bored to be there well you get that immediately but he he just said, like, oh, God, another yes or no question. Here we go. And in order to keep our broadcasting license, we devote Sunday night dead time to public service shows of limited appeal.

In that spirit, we bring you Gabon About God, sponsored by Ace Religion Supply, where they say, if we don't gut it, it ain't holy. With us tonight, once again, our very own three wise men, Reverend Timothy Lovejoy, Monsignor Kenneth Daly, and Rabbi Hyman Krustofsky. Good to see you again. Nice to see you. Okay, and our first caller is from Shelbyville Heights.

Yes, hi. With all the suffering and injustice in the world, do you ever wonder if God really exists? Nope. Not for a second. Not at all. Great. Good conversation there. Our next call now Not for a second. Not at all. Great. Good conversation there. Our next call now is for the good rabbi.

Hello? Anybody there? I hear breathing, but I don't hear talking. What's going on here? Hello, mister? Hello, hello? Some people got nothing to do but call people and hang up. There's all kinds of Mishigayim in the world.

No, I love that the first question they get is one that you would think any religious leader would love to just sink their teeth into. Like, you know, with all the problems of the world, how can you believe in God? Do you still believe in God? They're just like, oh, yeah, yep, yep, yep. And then nothing. None of them have anything else prepared. They're just like, duh, not once have I had my faith falter at all.

And apparently a fog hat was very tickled by this guy's T-shirt. They got some letters from fog hats. That's sweet. They'll all say, you know what? We got a Catholic, we got a Presbyterian, and we have a rabbi. Like, come on. There's far more religions than just that. But I guess, honestly, it's a credit to Springfield Freeman inviting a rabbi onto it i suppose i don't think that that islam

or buddhism or any number of other religions had been introduced on the citizens yet right so they were basically non-existent i suppose apu is the only hindu practitioner in town and uh we don't yet know that lenny and carl are buddhists that's right yeah you know what also with all this religious talk not one flanders joke this whole whole episode. He wasn't quite as religious yet. Sure, sure. And so, yes, the guy's getting pretty crazy, being pretty tired of these wasteful phone calls. They also get crusty calls in, but then still doesn't talk. This is when the rabbi says there's all kind of Mishugolim in the world,

which I believe is slang for Mishugonogolim meaning crazy non-jews i believe yeah uh but i mean i i've never heard that uh those words conflated but um sure let's say look i'm just uh i thank you for uh for co-signing on that lewis otherwise i just had google to go on there no i think that's right i mean mishuganagoyim you can just i guess you could just mash those words together. But then they get a little call from Dimitri. Okay, let's clear the board. Our next caller is a young boy from right here in Springfield. Hello, my name's Dimitri. I'm a first-time caller, long-time listener. My question is, if a son defies his father and chooses a career that makes millions of children happy, shouldn't the father forgive the son?

I think so. Yes, of course. No way! Absolutely not! Never, never! Who screens these calls? Who's in charge here? There's nobody in charge. They leave a building without people watching it, and anybody who wants could call... Don't worry, Lise. I got a plan that can't fail.

Little my man, you're a genius. I love my work. Oh, the best charity is to give and not let other people know. But what if your example encourages others to give? Speaking of charity, Rabbi Krustoski, don't you think it's time you forgave your son? Don't you understand that my boy broke my heart? He turned his back on our traditions, on our faith, and on me. Get out of here you little

fisher according to google pisher is yet is for young inexperienced presumptuous person or pisser they got away with saying pisser on tv that's no i i also love that bart's question is the first time anybody on that show has ever shown any passion and he just like loses it like who screens these calls like he's just uh uncharacteristically just fed up like not even even hearing that his respected co-hosts on the show are are totally fine with he's just like no never never also i like that bart thinks it's a it's a really funny cut to me now that bart says i got a plan that can't fail. Cut to Bart dressing up in an honestly insulting costume of an old rabbi. Yiddle, I guess he's being paid well to participate in this. Maybe he loves his work.

He's doing it for free, maybe. I have no problem with Bart's outfit, so I sign up on that on behalf of the Jews. I also love that Yiddle's still in business. He was running his joke shop when Krusty was a boy. Now Bart's a that yiddle's still in business you know he was he was running his joke shop when crusty was a boy now bart's a boy and he's still running it you know that's that's sweet that's the consistent business that shows you he loves his work but yes also that it's you know bart just comes in on a bunch of rabbis philosophizing and and he's just like just in bart saying hey speaking of uh speaking of charity do you think she could forgive your son?

Just like that. Not not the best writing. Yeah. Bart gives up there. Lisa's got a new plan, though, for Izzy's Deli. And this is where there was a big old change in the episode. That's right. The original celebrity that was going to meet Krusty there.

Well, I guess the original ruse was to involve the writer Isaac Beshevis Singer, but he died in July of 1991 while this has been in production. So they changed it to Saul Bellow. And they put it on the commentary, he would not want to meet Saul Bellow as much as he would want to meet Singer. So they were sad that Singer died for lots of reasons,

but it would be a better joke if he had survived for this original airing. Yeah, the timing on it, they recorded recorded i feel especially bad for you know jackie mason who thought he'd only have one recording because like they in april record him saying isaac bachevis and then in july isaac bachevis dies and so before october he has to re-record the sol bello line but but they also have to keep it i think they didn't change him saying the Nobel Prize winning Jewish novelist, because that is also true about Saul Bellow, which I think that's why they went with Saul Bellow.

They're like, okay, is there any other Nobel Prize winning Jewish novelist other than Saul Bellow? Surely there are more at this point. Oh, sure. Make a whole list. But I think they should should just kept the original joke and done what jeopardy does i had a little disclaimer about when it was recorded so that no one's offended by the reference to a dead person oh wow i didn't know that i didn't know

that was the the jeopardy style there wow i don't know if it's always been the style it's come up a lot recently because they had a series i mean they had a whole category that was like countries that border Russia, and they had to add a disclaimer that it was reported in January. Wow, man. I was just thinking that there was a big winning streak by a performer, someone on Jeopardy over the Christmas time. I was at home with my mom, and that's the only time I watched Jeopardy, and I saw like, oh, this woman is on a streak, like breaking the record for the longest streak a woman's had on it and she's from oakland so i was like oh local local person doing great on it and then i find

out later she you know those were filmed months ago and she just had to like she couldn't do any interviews or anything until her streak was over because it would have spoiled uh her her appearance on the show yeah her big uh her big like tell interview was published the night she was eliminated or that episode aired there was just another long run by another contestant matea for the lesbian canada that's her bio on twitter um great because it's been all queer people with uh very long runs for jeopardy and people at home getting really angry about it um which is extra fun but yes they do they they do um there's that category and it was a putin question and or answer and they had a disclaimer about it because putin

had never done anything bad prior to uh invading uk. So that was added later. But so, yes, their next plan is honestly a parody of sitcom writing in this next bit here. Saul Bellow, the Nobel Prize winning Jewish novelist, he wants to have lunch with me. It's a date. Izzy's Deli, 1 o'clock, I'll be there. The French government wants to give me the Legion of Honor? When do I receive this prestigious award?

Is this deli? One o'clock? Thank you, Monsieur President. Au revoir. Are you kids ready to order yet? Sorry, no. Just get us another bowl of complimentary pickles. Watch how fast I go.

And for you, sir? Oh, let's see. I want a nice sandwich with the Joey Bishop. Too fatty. The Jackie Mason. I don't know. Sauerkraut makes me gassy. The Bruce Willis. I don't even like his work. What is this? Frosty the Clown? That's ham, sausage, and bacon with

a smidge of mayo. What? On white bread. Listen, you tell Mr. Saul Bellow, the Nobel Prize winning Jewish novelist, that I lost my appetite um could you direct me to president francois mitterand's table you think you're funny 50 million frenchmen can't be wrong it's definitely a joke about uh jerry lewis not being funny right uh yes yeah that is what it's about. Yes. The French love not funny people. The Jewish entertainers as well, who also played a clown in a film we still haven't seen. That's right.

Harry Shearer's seen it. Yeah. He's been bragging about it forever, that Harry Shearer. I think the clock is counting down to when we can see, is it The Clown Who Cried? The Day the Clown Cried. The Day the Clown Cried. Okay. Lewis, have you always wanted to see

that film like us that see just how bad it is um i mean yes but i you know again a performer who's uber i'm not especially interested in or enjoy um but i'm not french so um you know i'm tough to say what what regional differences the cultural differences uh explain that that uh disconnect but uh other people who have gotten the french legion of honor you american recipients i should say include james baldwin julia child clint eastwood quincy jones and sully sullenberger so yes uh many people have received the french uh 50 million frenchmen can't be wrong about all those people's quality and i think having tom hanks play in a movie is

a bigger honor in terms of like your you know your lasting celebrity yeah tom plank yeah tom planks tom hanks uh like i'm sure the guy who lived in the airport uh feels very special now uh elvis's manager feels special from beyond the grave and hell he's he's dancing around sure and and the uh and and the cap captain phillips yeah it was it was you know yeah i'm sure he feels great mr rogers and walt disney it's just like in general it's like well this guy's like a kind of just a regular white guy tom hanks he can do it he can do it all and i know as a kid i thought the joke was ew what a gross sandwich that doesn't sound very good but you but now we know.

We're adults. The white bread also is a great touch. Just works on a lot of levels. It's a good punchline, just like how far has he strayed from the path. The bread is even white, yeah. And it's so great to hear the late Doris grow. This is her biggest role in the show to date.

Obviously, she'll go on to play Doris on The Critic, but script supervisor for the show, just the old salt they loved her so much they wrote a role for her in their next show no she's the greatest yeah she would not have survived for the critic season three though no no she would have made it into like recording for season three but there would be no doris in season four yeah it would have been posthumously released yeah it's uh no i like most of her appearance like her season seven appearances on simpsons now i doris kraut great like yeah i love her like watch how fast i go like that's so great what a great like just old server at a deli like that's just a perfect voice

as well it's uh lewis at new york deli still they have a lot of named sandwiches still on mike celebs i was thinking about that i cannot tell you the last time i went to a deli still they have a lot of named sandwiches still on like celebs i was thinking about that i cannot tell you the last time i went to a deli because they're extremely expensive for like mediocre food for the most part i did go to canter's when i was in la recently and they do not have celebrity sandwiches um but they do have overpriced sandwiches it's like 25 for a sandwich it's really you know uh not a good deal but yeah i i always like the phenomenon of like celebrity sandwiches because i i assume that they were like created by the celebrities which i i don't think that they they ever were i think they were just named after

whichever celebrities were popular but i like the idea that if you got famous enough you got to design a sandwich yeah which has always been a life goal of mine. I think Seinfeld had a plot about a sandwich too, or naming a sandwich, didn't it? I think I, maybe I missed it. I think you're right. Yeah. I've also like, I've also had places that I would go to a lot, like restaurants. And I always thought if I ordered the same thing with enough, the same changes every

time, they would eventually name that order after me. But it has not happened you know i went to when i went to musso and frank's recently i was tempted to get a very expensive thing named after frank sinatra i think it was like a steak or something i was like what the i'm gonna spend 70 on a sinatra steak like what am i no no no you're paying for the thrill of ordering the sinatra steak i'm sitting in in the same booth Sinatra probably sexually harassed a woman in. While ordering a hit. Yes. So, yes, this little farce fails as well.

I also love the animation from Krusty's back of his just droopy hair going down as he's disappointed at learning at the charade. So, yes, then Lisa. I and learning at the charade uh so yes then lisa but but then lisa decides okay time to actually study uh the the torah and other and judaica and so they go to the library it's another of like lisa takes bart to the library scenes like we also saw dead putting society uh no card catalog jokes this time though yeah what the hell man but i do like that bart lisa is actually reading a real book and bart is doing just a pop-up book of old testament stuff apparently with the uh the flood pop-up my bar mitzvah portion was noah oh so the the story of noah's ark has a special resonance for me. Bart has the correct reading of that story.

Save us, save us, no! That is, in fact, what happens. Yeah. Bart tries a new trick of reading some. I like to, the way Jackie Mason says, you I told to go away. But Bart actually does, I feel like he's just being stubborn then. The passage Lisa got, I think, does prove it.

Like, see, look, come on, forgive me. He's like, but the Ten Commandments. All right, see you later. And he just says, screw off. I don't care what that good quote says. I'm just pulling out the old Ten Commandments for you. But this is where I think really a lot of the rabbi consultants came in to help them find the correct passages or

good passages that could support clowning that they could bring up there's a very like little subtle joke I laughed at for the first time when Lisa says I got some dynamite stuff from this one rabbi she names him it's a real person and they give each other high fives like yes dynamite rabbi knowledge two little kids high-fiving over this you know a lot when you go to jewish day school a lot of what you learn is like based on it's not really just the torah it's like what rabbis have been arguing about for for hundreds of years so they they do have these um these you know dialogues and and there are lots of i guess relevant quotes from there i have to say i think despite the research they did barn and l Lisa don't go that deep. Like there's nothing in there that's like, you know,

a deep cut or anything. I think you probably didn't need a rabbi for any of those references, but maybe, maybe in the early nineties you did. I can't say for sure, but things like, things like, you know, the 10 commandments are pretty surface level. You know, with Kogan and Reese being so non-religious, maybe that's why they're like, we better just hire a real rabbi or something. Though also, you know, Groening as well, they don't mention him in this context, but he was very into like, if we're going to have people speak Japanese, we're going to hire people who know how to speak Japanese. They're going to say actual, the language. Same with other, they wanted experts at times.

I think that's a good basic rule, that if someone's speaking a foreign language, it shouldn't just be made up on the fly. Well, you know, in 1991, not many, not everybody did that. Absolutely. That is, it's a low bar, but they cleared it. So yes, Lisa tries something from Rabbibi simon ben alzar uh which again uh which part uh does in a steam room with a bunch of other just just a bunch of old rabbis steaming it up it's a fun word it's called a schwitz it's yes yeah it's a fun word yeah but i still say all

the time i show up sweaty you're gonna say you're schwitzing that makes it that's that is cuter than saying sweating. Yeah. That's why I don't say sweat or sweaty. And so, yes, that fails. Bart tries again with a note he steals off of Lisa. And this is when, yes, the circumcision is happening again. As a kid, I did not understand this either. Just seeing the little hands and legs of the baby in front of bart is it's fun posing on that i'm thinking of uh something that reese and gene would do a few years later with rabbi pi there's a scene where he's doing a bris and like the the blade gets shot out of his hands or

something like that right yeah it's like in the first critic that's schwarzenegger is undercover as a rabbi which is obviously quite a comedica idea, at least for a sketch. A sketch in 1994. Yes, yeah. Famous guy who loves Jewish people, Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just a great guy. Whose father was a Nazi. Yeah, yeah.

Anywho, hey. He's got that tiny horse now. It's adorable. And his stogies. And he's raising Chris Pratt to be the next next ronald reagan i think that's uh yeah i think i think that's uh sadly where we're going with that but look forward to that in the 20 2040 i'm gonna say 2040 president president 40 that's that's already an optimistic prediction elections 40 well you know president pratt is is counting on that at least and then you know i want to hear his positions before i before i judge but but hey anywho so everything's failing lisa refuses to learn ancient hebrew and so they they take a wild swing with a real uh i'll be

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Did not a great man say, and I quote, the Jews are a swinging bunch of people. I mean, I've heard of persecution, but what they went through is ridiculous. But the great thing is, after thousands of years of waiting and holding on and fighting, they finally made it. End quote.

Oh, I never heard the plight of my people face so elegantly. Who said that, Rabbi Hillel? Nope. It was Judas Apias. Nope. By Amonides. Nope. Oh, I got it.

The Dead Sea Scrolls. I'm afraid not, Rabbi. It's from Yes, I Can by Sammy Davis Jr., an entertainer. Like your son. The Candyman? If a performer could think that way, maybe I'm completely upside down on this whole problem. All the years of joy that I've lost. Why?

Because of my stubborn ways. There, there, Rabbi. It's not too late it's uh it's a sweet moment yeah they they bring up on the commentary they're like yeah it's it's crazy that sammy davis jr is the thing that brings the guy who hates entertainers over to but when he says the candy man like that shows you he actually is a big fan of sammy Jr., including some of his most maudlin, awful things, like his cover of The Candyman. He is an iconic Jew, so it was an appropriate choice. It's a more interesting one than they could have gone with. And that's his first of three autobiographies.

Yeah, they were really into Yes, I Can. They referenced it more than once in The Simpsons. I was going to say, I feel like the autobiography comes up several times on the show uh i think they also i think they had one that was like yes i can't or yes you can't i think yeah i yes any day senior also i guess what wait no he was still alive in 91 wasn't he he i think he died in 1990 oh okay i can double check though but please continue yes uh but but yes the most like show busy man uh also yes is if this is leading the rabbi to think that like oh if this entertainer could speak so eloquently on my faith then maybe i'm all wrong about this well it's like but crusty

is not passionate at all about being jewish like they he promotes pork products for another thing but then i think he won't get a bar mitzvah until like season 15 or something so here's the bad news oh sammy davis jr died may 16th 1990 here's the good news he lived long enough to see the entire first season of the simpsons oh good okay so he could see i hope he was watching i hope that's how he spent his final moments not with his families like oh man i gotta see Crepes of Wrath again before I go. One of his last days could have been seeing Krusty Got Busted. But so, yes, they've changed his mind. And now it's time for a lovely ending here.

First, it's a little clip. I love Krusty is very sad and tired here. Hi, kids. hey kids today's show is going to be the funniest nice fitness cavalcade of i don't know where they roll the cartoon the hell with it just the way he just punch and he it doesn't break through the thing he has to try but hey like god the posing on it is so fucking good i love i love they do so many uh bird in his team and jeff lynch they do so many funny things at crusty here and coming up we have i believe the first of several references in this era to the reconciliation between jerry lewis and dean martin by frank sinatra so so so many of them it happened in 1976 so it was part of uh the boomer writers let's say teenage years or childhoods

it was a huge moment on the telethon i believe that yes yeah and that i meant yeah it was for that for those kids it was like uh i don't know roger rabbit to us, let's say. Or what, the final? It was the Friends reunion to Zoomers. The Friends reunion, there you go. I've been watching the real world homecoming on Paramount+, which is, you know, a reunion of the real world New Orleans cast. And that feels like a huge cultural moment to me. I'm not sure who else is watching outside of my Twitter timeline.

But yeah, I don't know. Reunions are big. Reunions leave a real impression. You know, I got to watch those. I want, I'm, I especially, yeah, the New Orleans one was a big one for me in my youth. I think it was Zadar Miami was my most watched one of that season. All that sad, that loser uh pining after coral that uh what a sad guy that one go back to our mission hill episode about the real world we

talk a lot about the uh the impact that had but uh is everybody doing better on the show now or somebody still are people still assholes on it no it's fascinating i mean mean, you know, Mormon Julie is really like a woman on the verge of a nervous breakdown. It's extremely hard to watch, but very entertaining. And, you know, it's the real world, obviously, was hugely influential to me as a person who loves reality television and also was just the right age of gay to like be obsessed with Danny from the real world, new Orleans. Anyway, highly recommended just was thinking of it. Cause we talked about reunions and I've already plugged several Broadway shows. So I was like, what else can I throw in?

No, you know, the, the real world show really was like special for a certain age of gay person. Like there wasn't much other gay stuff on TV other than these people. So yeah, I,

or, or Scott Thompson on King kids in the hall, which also I've, that's all back now. So I'm thinking like, boy, much other gay stuff on tv other than these people so yeah i or or scott thompson on king kids in the hall which also i've that's all back now so i'm thinking like boy scott thompson he was uh i appreciated how out he was back in like 1992 or whatever when people you know not many not many people ellen was deeply in the closet then by comparison oh yeah hey that's another reunion right ellen doing uh doing uh romantic comedies with with man is her uh her co-leads i do think it's interesting to think about like the cultural references that writers take with them that end up being you know i like i i feel

like a lot of what i watch now is written by people who are my age and so i'm like all these references are great but i have no idea how they land with like anyone younger than me yeah i mean the simpsons is also like for, the bulk of my cultural references come from the show that I watched at an impressionable age. So like things like The Jazz Singer, obviously, I learned about through The Simpsons and have never bothered watching the original. I was thinking that with our pals on the show, Craig of the Creek, who we've had the one of the creators on the show.

They do some great stuff with that because their show is made for like 12 year olds on Cartoon Network. But they have tons of references that make it clear the parents on the show grew up in the 90s. And like the mom, for example, will imitate the Missy Elliott garbage bag suit scene. And and I just keep thinking like this means meaningless to a 12 year old and they even did a joke where craig on the show says like guess you could call me destiny's child and then he looks at the camera and says ask your parents about that one so i think i know everything about pop culture from 1960 until the year 2000 when i kind of checked out so uh thanks to all of these boomer writers for letting me know about things like the Jerry Lewis and D. Martin reunion.

But yes, so Krusty and his father, they reconnect backstage as Krusty is smoking. And it's it's kind of sweet. They just instantly hug again, like just back to, oh, daddy. Like, it's it's just as sweet. They really kind of fly through it, though. Like, I was like, oh, I'm on. Let's get on stage. And so they

break into a song uh then i'll just drop in here plenty a little reconciliation music if you please oh mine papa to me he was so wonderful oh mine papa come. To me, he was so good. You know the words. No one could be so gentle and so lovable. I got something in my eye. Here, take my hanky. There. He always understood. We haven't seen each other in 25 years.

Oh, I love you, son. I love you too, daddy. Ay-yah! And yeah, the song is a very, very sweet song of just that, though it is also, the joke is that he goes like, come on, kids, you know all the words. No kid then knew Oh Mine Papa, which was made famous by Eddie Fisher, Carrie Fisher's father. That's right.

I mean, I didn't know it then. I didn't actually know the origin of the song, so I looked it up and discovered that the original version was written from the perspective of a girl singing about her clown father. Oh, wow. That's an interesting touch. That's sweet. That's sweet. It's even sweeter when they turn it around like that. Oh, wow. That's an interesting touch. That's sweet. That's sweet. It's even sweeter when they turn it around like that. Yeah.

Oh, wait. So there's one cutaway in the show of a disgusting joke about Moe with being offered Barney's hanky, which is covered in snot. It's like cutting away to Bart and Homer's poop joke while Krusty is telling a sad story. It's like, we need some kind of bodily fluid to enter this scene. And so Simpson's historian as well on twitter that guy 3002 you can always count on him to show jokes that were cut from the script uh because he collects a lot of the original scripts he had two jokes that were cut from this uh that he shared

on twitter one of which is disturbing uh so they're both from this scene they cut to two other uh houses during the song one is homer and grandpa watching it and homer says like oh isn't that sweet dad and and abe says what are you watching this crap for so he doesn't care the other one is smithers and burns watching it together and oh that's who's missing from this episode. Smithers and Burns. And Smithers, this is the real word on the page. Smithers asks Burns, can I call you dad? Permission to call you daddy. That's on the script page. And Burns' response is, permission granted.

So, fun. I like that. Can you imagine how that, like, Frankie Yak screenshot would be weaponized by gay twitter how that actually happened I feel like we deserve it I would see that in a lot of thirst trap replies

of like permission to call you daddy I wish that scene was in that would have been ahead of its time I don't know if it was if it was fully animated or just cut from the script yes thank thank you to that guy 3002 for for letting us all know the the daddy sequence we missed out on uh what one little move i love is when crusty i feel like he the crowd isn't reacting enough from him for him so he just pushes his face to the camera it's like we haven't seen each other in 25 years yes yeah yeah because they don't know like the

kids in the audience the simpsons heard his backstory as far as the kids know he hangs out with his dad every day so he's like gotta sell it to them and the way i love the animation of his his shove his face right into the camera and the distortion on it is it's almost like a fisheye lens kind of trick on it which is really fun and yeah that he's i mean i do think i think somebody in that lewis and martin reunion scene says they came out they haven't seen each other in 25 years something like that like there's even a line like i wouldn't be surprised if they were just directly quoting that uh reunion but yes uh there's i have one last clip here oh yeah my old friends right next to my heart hey such a filthy habit who asked you

father son papa daddy my chick oh daddy there's just something i i think castellaneta does such a good job with his like i love you too daddy and. Like he actually, Castellaneta gets so much emotion out of this silly little Krusty character here. You know, it's really tough. Honestly, I still get tingles every time I hear Krusty and his father say, I love you, son. I love you too, daddy.

Like, and the way he just, then gets hit in the face with a pie by his father and he hugs him laughing. Like, I don't know. It's a really'm i'm getting goosebumps right now just uh just even describing it it's it's it's very sweet almost too sweet but i think it i think they pulled off well they'd included the uh the smithers and burns joke that would have really cut you know undercut the sweetness but um i think it works as is they they left in

the booger joke but yeah uh you know i've seen a lot of people joke about how today's top fantasy films are about a parent apologizes. But they were doing the same thing 30 years ago in cartoons, too. You know, they weren't. It's always been. It's been the fantasy of many a creator of like, what if my parents said they were sorry? What if such a thing were to happen? And it's still true today in in films like turning red and uh everything everywhere all at once you know uh when

the metaverse comes around an ai parent can apologize to you every day you can just log in and have them apologize to you what a horrifying dark thing to say oh man i hope i hope the ai 30 years from now i can properly properly emulate my parents in those scenes. It'll have to. We won't have drinking water. I hope that's part of President Pratt's platform. His platform. Oh, Henry, you're building gimmicks for him.

Yeah, this is a turning point. You're edging us closer to a Pratt presidency. You know, he needs a gay sellout on his team to not look homophobic with all his work so i think there's a slot ready for me already but but anyway yes i thought a very sweet ending for an episode i do think the third act is almost like kind of stuffed with like too many bits just like oh we're too paid we're like five pages short or whatever but yeah it's still i i think it's really funny and i don't know as as a non-jewish person who did not know much at all about the faith that did it taught me a bit as as a kid and i i'm thankful for that oh yeah me too like i said up

front uh for me as a kid who was watching a lot of tv at the time it was very rare to see this much like jewish focused content so it did feel like almost daring at a time when these kind of uh themes weren't talked about on sitcoms so i give credit for that and also a good crusty story that's uh this is like the first dedicated crusty episode you know crusty gets busted it's about him but he's really just not a proactive character in that story in this one it's about him and his life and his sadness and it's the start of many great crusty episodes yeah oh and it's so early in the idea of like a visitor comes to the simpsons and they change their life yeah story too yeah oh sorry luis uh any any final thoughts yourself oh um yeah i mean i i agree with you about uh sort of the weird the joke stuffing and the pacing

of it which i thought was a little strange but ultimately you know a very sweet episode and one that made me feel seen as someone whose father has called him boy chick before um it's uh it's uh you know it's a it's a nice one and i and i and i like that you know this early in the show's run i mean season three i guess feels early only in you know only relatively um given how long the show has been on but um to get this much backstory for like a side character a side character, a joke character, I think was something that

I really appreciated about the show. And, you know, as it happened over the years to kind of have every character minus Krusty's executive assistant get, you know, this kind of episode length plot and backstory.

You know, when we pitched that Krusty learned how to read flashback episode, we'll also include money, penny candy in the episode, too. That's they'll kill two birds with one stone there. But anyway, but thank you, Lewis, so much for coming on the show. Thank you so much, Lewis. Do you have anything you would like to promote or perhaps your Twitter? Sure. You can follow me on Twitter at Lewis Pitesman.

I don't have much else to promote these days, but, you know, appreciate the follows and the angry replies. You're always fun to tweet along with and also i mean honestly yes for i i mainly uh from your twitter i get jealous of seeing all the cool shows you get to go to i'm like the recent into the woods uh revival uh that happened or i guess is that the right term for it yes it was a mini a mini revival but uh now now that i find out you're hanging out with beetlejuice all the time i'm even more i mean i we know each other i've never hung out but if you want to run with that version of it um you know absolutely can we get beetlejuice

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