Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Little Big Mom With Lindsay Katai

Episode Date: August 26, 2020

This week's new guest is Lindsay Katai, writer for Infinity Train and cohost of the podcast Teen Creeps! And she's here to help us explore Lisa's new job as a caretaker for the family after Marge breaks her leg! Will Bart and Homer be able to help in any way? Or will Lisa have to team up with the ghost of Lucille Ball to teach them a lesson? All that and Hawaii in this week's podcast! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! Check out our new shirts on TeePublic! And please follow the new official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

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My delicious brains. And who do we have on the line? You have Lindsay Kaytai, and I'm just happy to be here with these boys of mine. Excellent. Today's episode is Little Big Mom. Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all. Nothing at all.

Nothing at all. Stupid sexy Flanders. We have struck gold in the meme mines, and today's episode aired on January 9th, 2000. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh my god. Welcome to the 2000s, Bobby, as this is our first episode of the year 2000. And this is when dan marino played his final nfl game america online announces an agreement to purchase time warner for 162 billion

dollars what and debuting right after this episode malcolm in the middle a major success for fox yeah one of their their biggest live action successes in comedy i think ever and why it's why they canceled every animated show after it went live that's right yeah they kill all those shows but uh what i know most about dan marino's career i learned through the documentary ace ventura pet detective yes yeah which a documentary now is uh hard to go back yeah let's not put that on any service. Problematic documentary. But the America Online thing is interesting because that is connected to this episode. The voice of America Online is in this episode.

Oh, yeah, that's right. And that Time Warner merger was a crazy thing. Like now it's normal to hear of a giant telecom company merging with a media company. It's rare when it doesn't happen but it was very different back then and as a pro wrestling super fan i know it as the thing that killed wcw because because america online by buying time warner their stocks outnumbered ted turner's so ted Ted Turner didn't have the power to prevent people from closing a wrestling company. And so a year later, when AOL Time Warner's like, we don't want to own wrestling anymore. He couldn't, like he did in the 80s, say, well, I'm going to pay for it.

They said goodbye. Right? Am I right? Come on. Classic quotes. I have to say, before we move on, I love Malcolm in the Middle so much. And I think we need to talk about it one of these days when we do one of our live action cartoon podcasts. Because it was good from start to finish.

Simpsons people worked on it. And I think now is the perfect time for a rewatch because we all learned life is unfair. As they might be giants sung. Yeah, I wanted to watch it. I think I did hear about it early because into 1999 i was a mega they might be giants fan so i had heard ahead of time oh you know they've got us they do the theme song of this new show i'm like father they might be giants adding credence to this young show called malcolm in the middle but anyway hey welcome to our guest lindsey katai hello hello uh you thank you for

having me and lindsey you're the host of the podcast Teen Creeps. The R.L. Stine episodes, I actually read those books as a kid. Oh, did you really? Yes, yeah. A lot of people's introduction is the Goosebumps book. I was more of a Fear Street guy myself. A little racier. That's refreshing. We read the Fear Street books. We tried reading Goosebumps, but they just skew a little bit too young. There are a little bit too many fake outs, too many annoying little brothers, annoying older sisters. Well, I was a Goosebumps reader who graduated into some Fear Street stuff.

I read a few. When I was listening to your one for The Snowman, I was like, I think I read this one. Like it was a weird feeling. Oh, you listened to an especially weird episode of ours then. Yes. Yeah. That was a lot of fun. Thanks.

And also you're a writer in uh comedy and animation as well right yeah i am a writer on the now uh hbo max original series infinity train it's produced by cartoon network studios we first aired on cartoon network and now we are streaming exclusively on hbo max which really ties into the whole time warner story aol is now like such a tiny sliver of that pie and it's the now it's an at&t company really uh on our what a cartoon show uh we did an episode of regular show with with toby jones and owen dennis and owen's the creator of infinity war infinity train infinity train i'm so sorry i don't think he created infinity war but i think marvel does not own the term infinity a little richer but maybe not much because marvel yeah sorry yes there's so many superheroes in this room i can see why henry's mind was gray yes yeah

but so yeah i mean were you a viewer of the Simpsons in your youth I was I started watching it when I was I think 13 we didn't watch it before that my mom thought it was too mature but then yeah I discovered it in syndication and started watching it obsessively was quoting it all the time had my little simpsons books with the highlights from all the episodes what are those what are those series called like everything simpsons or well like the uh the guide the everything guide to simpsons yeah the everything guide to simpsons i think yeah yeah we we hear a lot from people that they were either a child whose parents just let them watch anything or in their

early teens they finally were free to watch the simpsons and that's when they got into it it's yeah it's one of those two types of parents and luckily i think the show was only in its maybe like sixth season at that point i was still pretty early in the game i mean once it's syndicated you can watch in the afternoonsons and your parents are less likely to police that time, I guess. Yeah, it's like it's gotten a 630 seal of approval. And did the show influence you any as like a comedy writer? Yeah, I'm sure it's partly why I'm so into like vaudeville humor. Yeah, like the monorail episode episode jokes like that where it's like

music man parodies you said of course ahoy ahoy to start off the episode and i recently tried to put that in an infinity train script and i didn't remember it as being a reference to the simpsons everybody in the room was like you can't use a simpsons joke. I was like, I'm not using a Simpsons joke. That was Alexander Graham Bell's preferred greeting when you answer the telephone. Does no one else know this? So I don't know. It really jives with my old timey sense of humor. And has your professional work brought you in the orbit of any Simpsons folks? It has not, not yet. Yeah, not a lot any simpsons folks it has not not yet yeah not a lot of simpsons writers over at cartoon network i would say like 10 of la's

population is now simpsons writers you either have written for them or you are writing for them so at least you're a pa you meet you know someone who's a pa on simpsons yeah well i know mike mitchell mike mitchell helped me get the job on infinity train and he was a pa on simpsons oh wow mike mitchell of the birthday boys oh yeah we love them yeah we've been we've we've landed nick weiger in the past but we have not yet gotten uh mitchell yet mitch is a bit harder to pin down we also have not yet had mitch on teen creeps but we have had weiger a few times he's he's a mercurial guy but that's what we like about him yeah so we have a writer's corner up front so we always do this when there's a new accredited writer for the episode so the writer

of course of this episode is carolyn omine at this point in history 20 years ago it was still very rare to have a uh a woman staff writer on the Simpsons. I think she is like the third or the fourth. There's Jennifer Crittenden, there's Rachel Polito, and Julie Thacker. And this is the number four? This is number four. Yeah, there was. Wow. Season 11. Yeah, there was Mimi Pond and Nell Scoville in freelance capacity, but not staff. and I believe that is it and of course Julie Thacker is a great writer on her own of course but she is also married to Mike Scully so if you're like uh you know I yeah I think it won Carolyn Amine I believe she is the highest ranking woman in the Simpsons hierarchy ever like she'd she'd end up being that level

with uh 22 years in the show i would hope so yeah so yeah she was hired at the beginning of season 10 for the first treehouse episode so she was a producer in season 10 this is her first credited episode and i want to go over her history really quickly just to show you where she's been so her first writing credit was one episode of something called Home Free, which was a one season, midseason show on ABC. It was a Matthew Perry vehicle, like right before Friends started. So not like 10 episodes aired of this. No one remembers it. It's not available anywhere.

It's not even on YouTube. Nobody cares about Home Free. This will strike all of us as odd, I think. So she went from Home Free to the final two seasons of full house that was shocking yeah yeah yeah she that you know other than simpsons her credits on sitcoms are not the you know edgy critically acclaimed kind you know that seemed like she was a bit of a uh she was you take the job yeah that's what i was trying to say yes yeah i feel yeah i mean i feel like when i was on the message boards and uh you know news

groups back then like this was weaponized against her as a writer like she she came from full house and now she's writing on the simpsons like she didn't come from letterman these people know nothing exactly understand but like the argument was like oh she didn't come from letterman or snl or get a life like full house are you kidding me but yeah i mean i love floss as a kid she actually wrote the last episode michelle rides again part two i uh yes i did look that up i had forgotten those episodes that the finale was a two-parter where michelle gets amnesia and i think it's an excuse for a clip show i think which yeah a clip show last episode is a crummy way I mean I'm not blaming her like it's just I think they were probably like we're definitely

being canceled tjf is changing yeah let's just sit around in in the cat on the couch and figure out this this caused me to look in the full house because I enjoyed it a lot as a kid and then ironically as like a preteen and teen and I was like why didn't this just go on forever because it is back now back then there weren't even 200 episodes and i was reading like it just got too expensive to make because there's like 12 cast members that have been on the show for eight years so you need to pay them all more and more every year so yeah that was her role then she went on to something called the parenthood i think that's a robert townsend sitcom uh yeah and then nick frino licensed teacher and then she wrote one real one episode of all real monsters and wild thornberries

and then simpsons for the next 22 years yeah i i did find an interview with her to explain why she did all real monsters and wild thornberries which were her first two animation jobs and it was she had gotten into the comedy industry through doing improv comedy in the groundlings in the late 80s and one of her former groundlings troop members a man named mark he had become the story editor for ah real monsters and so when she was between jobs and hiatuses for scripts she's like i can take uh one real monster script so that's how she it's funny she worked for the klaski chupo show before moving on to the simpsons she's she's also from hawaii and so this is a legitimately hawaii show and i also saw like in her the timing of her

hiring is interesting too because we we talked before about ian maxton graham i double checked this like in 1998 he was one of the co-executive producers on the show and he gave the infamous interview which included him saying like hey you know we got no women this is paraphrasing he's like well we got no women in the writer's room but it's more of a male show anyway you know it's it's just how the comedy it works so yeah so good on carolyn for getting in there i'm uh and and she's definitely been i've found multiple interviews where she's like yeah it's tough being the only woman it's i'm trying to help in comedy uh to expand this stuff i also i also know from her twitter that she's a big bernie sanders supporter that's right yeah i like

that made me like her even more i was like yeah thumbs up carolyn and uh progressive uh and also i saw that uh she i think it's 2005 she has been the primary voice director of the cast too oh i didn't know that okay or at least a bit of one i found an interesting interview where nancy cartwright was interviewing her about it and they they brought up the voice director thing and i i wonder if she does it a little less now because in her most recent season she's a consulting producer she had been an executive producer but i think she just scaled back her time there but like on the simpsons game and simpsons tapped out she's the credited voice director on that too so I think oh interesting yeah you can really see how uh these people's careers how they're shaped really or like express

how Hollywood changes because like everyone left for these development deals in the mid 90s there are no more of those now so like if you were hired for the Simpsons in 1998 or 99 you're still there because the getting's good uh once you're in that club who wants to leave it you know and uh and yeah the last thing i want to say about omine is that she wrote uh she still writes for the show she wrote uh two episodes in season 31 that uh were pretty good i would say she did the one where marge works at a pot dispensary uh and she did the season finale that just aired in may that was inexplicably a christmas episode i don't know why didn't they hold that one till christmas i don't know but it it was about um santa's little helper growing up and there's they try to that kate blanchett plays a dog psychologist that

helps send his little helper and the funniest thing is they actually show a clip from the simpsons christmas special in it and and they bring back the guy who was his trainer who said like get out of here but and so he looks ridiculous drawn in the 31 style i think they brought him back in like season 14 too like when al jean came back so it's like i think they might have even redesigned him from there oh right yeah i forgot that they'd use that guy like twice uh but yeah carolina minez he's an underrated part of the simpsons for the last like 20 years that i i'm getting to know more and more especially thanks to like social media she's one of the more active uh simpsons writers on twitter which is cool i'm gonna have to follow her yeah l Lindsay, you're also I know you're a big Sanders supporter as well. I am. This is a pro Sanders podcast. Among friends. The next time you're at a fundraiser, like see if you can find Carolyn.

But yeah, yes. Let's this episode begins. Well, first first there's a couch gag about making art out of dung, which I'm guessing it's a reference to... There was a controversial 1996 painting of the Virgin Mary made out of elephant dung. So I think it's a reference to that. I was searching and searching, trying to figure out what that was a reference to, because I knew it had to be a reference to something.

Otherwise, it's just a very lame joke. Yeah, for like going into this I thought like, oh, Bart's being a rascal. It's a classic Bart prank. But no, it's like the one I always think of is Piss Christ but not Mary Dung. It was a risk I took googling art made

out of poop. That was I would say. And one that paid off. Do after lunch favors the bowl and uh this episode opens with like a minute long itchy and scratchy short this is the longest uh itchy and scratchy we've seen in a long time i think i feel like they've been gone for a while yeah this this feels like an intentional like season fourth throwback to have them watch a long itchy and scratchy thing there's even like little stills from past episodes in the scrapbook like you can see like previous uh realistic scratchy

deaths that actually happened oh yeah i have i have each of those uh references in the photo album it's the one of scratchy with losing all of his guts uh that's from my dinner with itchy that was in homer defined there's the bond laser thing that is from the short spay anything that was in cape fear and the bomb eyes are from the short messenger of death which is in itchy and scratchy and marge so there you like they actually cared about their history and same with poochie is there poochie is in the show which crusty promised in a legally binding sense that poochie would never be seen again yeah that's true it's funny yeah poochie's alive poochie is alive in a scene where scratchy is dead what's going on here i know

it's this is this is xylophone bone logic here that i i feel wrong uh and also sheep cloning was very new at the time too like so there's there's a lot of like ripped from the headlines things here i i wonder if it's intentional but in an episode that will later feature lucille ball that there is like it's kind of a lucy conveyor belt joke of itchy cloning all the scratchies and he can't keep up with killing all of them at the same time i also really like the just the specific the comically short life of a cloned scratchy that you're like i'm alive ah like no time for the hug straight into the killing machine so good the cloning

machine into a killing machine is uh it's a really good gag and uh it cuts to homer watching it with the kids homer doesn't usually watch it she can scratch you with them so that's that's kind of cute i like that but uh also though that homer homer is infantile in this episode and also like i know i say homer's too mean in a lot of these season 11 ones but homer is really too mean in this one he's a mean child yes but he is infantilized from the very beginning i think on purpose uh yeah he's immediately mixed in with the kids the whole episode he's like on their level from the beginning i do like uh there's one little point after this tv scene where marge is like spying on them there's like a prominent hair ruffle as she's like her hair

brushes past the entryway and uh i mean we see those all the time but there's like even a sound yeah i think uh the director mark kirkland uh he loves doing that like always finding a way to like smash marge's hair down in the car have the hair like flip when she goes through a door there's a lot of hair work in this episode yeah i i miss it when early and yeah who uh who among us were um pack rats as a kid who would refuse to let a parent like get rid of anything like i i definitely had that problem i still hang on to too much stuff oh yeah my parents did not have time to get like personally involved in my things so i was lucky i guess they weren't like what's going on in your closet just like they they were

busy working and stuff and drinking important work you know my mom also though she held on to things for too long too so it's more like we kind of supported each other in keeping things uh she she wouldn't so much do the marge throwing out thing i i had to do this when i last moved apartments like three years ago that's when i finally had to go like i really can't i can't move this entire full closet of garbage to my new place like i just had to throw it out and not think about what i was throwing out i mean there was talk in our house for about a decade of a fabled yard sale that would you know get rid of all these things but it never happened i really felt for marge when they do get the stuff back from the Goodwill truck because the adult part

of my brain now is like no it was gone you were never gonna think about it again oh god now it's now it's still here you were finally really identified with that I was like instilled with this idea that you have to keep the box or something and it's something that I still have to fight it was like something my grandma and my mom uh like instilled in me but I don't know why because the things never go back in the box the way they're packed it's like impossible to get them back and if you move you just wrap them in like a blanket or bubble wrap or whatever it's just I don't know why I hope like future parents aren't telling their kids I saved the box I have that biggest I have that biggest problem still with video game consoles like that's the one if whenever I get a new video game console up to the switch a few years ago i was like oh man this box technically

is like a 300 box what if i do need it for something and then i i eventually of course just throw away that box when i get the new system i'm like all right i didn't need this i actually do tend to keep my boxes and I use them. Ooh. To keep things in? Sorry to brag, but I do put things back in the box to store them and move. I think me keeping that switch box, though, is even sillier because I keep, I already spent the money on a, you know, zipper pouch that keeps my switch safe in it.

So why, why do i need my box and that zipper zipper than any box the simpsons will be right back welcome to the break everybody and we hope you're enjoying this on your candy phones and a big thank you to our guest lindsey k tie you should definitely be checking out all the cool stuff she does follow her on twitter watch infinity train on hbo max and check out her very fun podcast teen creeps we're big fans of lindsey here and we thank her for her time now if you enjoy this podcast but wish you could hear not this ad but also more podcasts have i

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Are you sure? You sound nervous. Well, anyone would be nervous with all the economic turmoil you read about in the... Get her! She's doing something! It's the Goodwill truck! She cleaned up the attic! Our junk! The exits are sealed. We've got a plan B. Come on! come on go go i'm trying stop yelling at me i want to know more about that guy yeah he's having a hard day that guy

uh but i also like that they won't let marge do anything they're just like she's doing like even lisa's against her here i was gonna say i really love an episode where lisa sucks too you where she's being like childish and shitty even though like later in the episode that obviously turns around quite a bit but it's always always fun when Lisa isn't, you know, the picture of human development. Yeah. Do you think sometimes they write Lisa a little too perfect or too grown up? No, because that is her character. But for that reason, it's just fun when that breaks a bit.

Like when she gets to be more of a kid. To me, it even feels more like a horror movie because how lisa lisa's looking at the tv she doesn't even turn to marge and she's like what are you doing mom maybe that's why that hair noise was put in because it's like a tell you know yeah yeah they want to draw attention to the fact that marge is doing stuff before and before they even notice and there's some great squash and stretch of march rushing out the door too i got a good like weird pause on her like uh stretched out body as she's zipping out the door there on the commentary they said they had to cheat to like you cannot see the tv room from the front door it's like impossible because there's like the living room and then the

tv room past that so they had to like kind of cheat the layout of the house to get that scene to work. But I didn't notice until they pointed it out. I noticed that it was an angle I wasn't used to. And then they use it again in the part of the episode where Bart and Homer are watching supposedly I Love Lucy. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. You didn't even strike me until I heard the commentary that it was wrong. And I'm one of the most pedantic people about this show there is.

But I never really think about the layout of the house, though. But yeah, it should be stairs into... The stairs go to the front door and then it's the side room, not the TV room. I like that Kirkland... Kirkland is already, by season 11, has been doing The Simpsons for so long that he knows what's wrong about it there. And yeah, so they chase out the door. There's a good gag of Homer getting stuck in the dog door and ripping it out through

the door. I wonder if it was a late edition that there's one shot where Homer is running and the door falls off him. Do you think that was a retake? they realized like, oh, Homer is not wearing the door in the next shot. We need to have the door falling off of him as he runs. Or it feels like an unneeded... If he showed up without the dog door on him in the next shot, I wouldn't have really questioned

what happened to it. Kind of like the watch that will just appear when someone needs to tell the time. Yeah. The magic cartoon watch. I can also see them thinking that that would be fun to show the door falling off. I like the physics of it. It's very realistic how it just flops off there. Yeah. And yeah, so Homer not only runs onto the back of it,

but jumps off of it after grabbing the aqua box and stuff. That's such a funny series of drawings there. That's great how he just tumbles while keeping the box level, just rolling backwards. That's, yeah, very good. And yes, as they get the box back, they're reminiscing about their stuff here in this next clip, and I really love all the specifics of it here.

That was scary. We came this close to losing our spare Christmas tree stand. You monster. Look, here's a box for my pitchback. If I still had it, I could put it in here. I'll never get rid of this useless junk. Useless? This flash cube has two flashes left.

You guys never use any of this stuff. Look at these. You bought them after the Nagano Olympics and never skied once. If you would just stop being so impulsive, man. Hey, let's go skiing right now. Yeah, let's go skiing. Yeah, let's go skiing. No.

Gotta say, this upper-lower middle-class family has ski equipment for five people. What's going on here? It is funny. That's the true lack of reality to this cartoon i can't stands it i i think like a lot of the la writer lifestyle does infect the show about the regular family because it's like i skiing was never on the table for my family i i have never been skiing in my life lindsey have you been skiing ever no i haven't but my i was born in reno and my mom skied quite a bit when she lived in tahoe oh nice i honestly think there's a lot of uh you know skiing jokes and of course the

winter olympics were in 98 and there's a lot of the jokes about skiing accidents and i think it was because sunny bono died in january of 98 when around the time this episode would have been written so i think that was just like having skiing you know antics on the brain wow i hadn't even thought of that man yeah i thought the the reference to the the that winter olympics in japan like that it was a basically two years before this aired so that was the most recent winter olympics but yeah i didn't even think of the sunny bono tragedy that that definitely affected like if you were a gen x kid you grew up on the sunny and share shows so his his death was probably pretty memorable to you uh share still with us uh knocking on wood there

i anytime well oh we by the time this episode comes out. She's great on Twitter. Sometimes. No, we're, well, yes, that's a danger of recording I'd say eight weeks ahead of time right now. Again, I'm knocking on wood, but we seem to have gotten out of the woods with Ed Asner. And I'm just saying, and this is easily editable if I'm wrong.

Reality changes every month, I would say drastically. So by August, like alphal have been declared an enemy of the state by the president we don't know what's going to happen next infinity train was uh nominated for an annie award and uh ed asner was the um presenter of the award at the ceremony oh we didn't win but that would have been very exciting i mean just to breathe the same air as him is pretty great yeah he was great man that's awesome like he's got he's like 94 or something right yeah and he was he was killing his comedy bits

in the oh that's great in the presenting that's why again we said it a million times but they got to bring back gargoyles fast yeah to get just to get him in the one more job in there but i i also like that they've done this a few times in the skull of years but i like that marge often represents the the audience who's just like you're so impulsive and you just decide on the drop of a hat to change where you are. And it's really stressful for Mar. She's like, oh, and that explains why they just decide, oh, the Simpsons go skiing like this. This episode is kind of all over the place and where it goes. Yeah, it's like a rare to cold open episode where the thing they start out with leads to the main plot in this there's

like the thing they start out with leads to another thing and then it leads to the main plot yeah you'll never guess the skiing trip leads to hawaii yeah later yeah and a visit from lucille ball the uh one and you know in the past like it was a very season three and four way of thinking of oh this script is a little short a minute of itchy and scratchy that'll fill it up like so i i think that might be a uh why itching scratchy is in here too they just ended up with a shorter script and they realized too late uh that's how you end up with a double opening also we've we've talked about how some recent ones have felt like it was a too short first act. This first act is like eight minutes.

It is a lengthy first act for the series. Yeah, the story with Lisa being Marge's replacement is actually pretty short. It feels like a minor part of the episode almost. I think if it went more than four minutes you'd feel even worse because just lisa and also to a uh they they head up to the the snowy mountain and the ski lift operator really looks like he's supposed to look like mike scully on the commentary scully is like is that me or an animator's friend yeah it's it's usually uh lindsey have you been drawn into infinity train yet no hopefully

if we keep getting to make more maybe i have done a couple voices though so that was fun oh that's good okay i well people then uh everybody who has hbo max listening to this needs to start streaming it right now just so you can be drawn into the show. Thank you. And there's a joke about the drummer for bread, which definitely feels like a Mike Scully kind of joke. It does feel like the kind of music that Homer would be into, you know, based on Homer Palooza. And I have to assume that drummer for bread they're referring to is Mike Botts, who was a member of the band until bread broke up in 1997. And Mike Botts would pass away from cancer in 2005. Related to the Babysitter Bandit, I hope, right? A great band.

I love Bread. I don't know a song from them. I bet if I heard it, I'd be like, oh, that's Bread. Okay. When they broke up, did someone say, guys, we're toast? I'm out of here. God, I hope. up that someone say guys we're toast i'm out of god i hope speaking of toast homer is horribly burned in the next because of that but he's it's funny they start with the itchy and scratchy like

cartoonish violence and homer goes through basically the same thing of being frozen solid and then melted with uh hot flames i don't know if the flamethrower is a regular feature on the ski uh the ski slopes. Another thing, this always happens when I'm watching the episodes on the DVD where I'll pause and then I'll activate a deleted scene on accident. And if you're wondering where Maggie is, she's on this baby luge.

Oh, okay. There's a luge full of babies. Yeah, Maggie. I didn't even know Maggie was missing. Actually, I think it's a bobsled because at Luz you go down alone. And a bobsled you're with a bunch of people. Mostly Jamaican. I should have checked out that baby bobsled.

Also, another bit that reminded me of my childhood was remembering when me and my brother were kind of like Bart and Lisa. When we'd realize our mom was afraid of heights or if we were in, say, the teacup rides and we knew that she was getting more scared of it than we were. We'd be like, oh, let's make it go faster and scare mom. Finally, we have the power. Yeah. Yeah. I feel bad about that now. But Bart and Lisa, again, this is more Bart and Lisa acting like acting like real kids.

I like that. And also how Marge, then I definitely feel like Marge when you would get to the top of those ski lifts. I'd be like, and back down again. I'm just going to not get out of this seat. I mean, that's what's always scared me from skiing anyway. Not even the actual physical activity of skiing, but just the hopping off one of those ski lifts. It just feels so precarious like yeah and uh yes it's all can't relate sorry my lower middle class family as we talked about couldn't really afford to keep skiing so on uh on rides like that do you get scared or you uh you deal okay with like heights actually i am fine with rides

but heights i so recently my boyfriend mike was having me try to play uh uh zelda breath of the wild on the switch because i started playing animal crossing a lot and he was like well if you like running around a pretty area now that we're stuck in quarantine, you should try this. And hopping up the tower, my body was having a physical reaction as though I was actually in danger. Oh, wow. My palms were sweating. I was scared. I pushed it onto him. And then I tried the VR that Mike bought.

And that was just terrifying. So while I can handle rides, I can't handle heights, even in theory. It's funny. When you were bringing up Breath of the Wild, I was just thinking, like, I just got a VR set. And I was thinking, I hate real roller coasters. I don't like baby ones. So I'm going to try to do one of, like, the roller coaster sims on there and see what it's like. But I bet I will just throw it off my head immediately, like I do with horror games.

Like, no, no. I don't know if this is just because I wear glasses or if this would have happened regardless, but I'm just so dizzy. I was so dizzy. Yeah, you know, I make glasses wearer. The only VR I've used for a big length of time is the PlayStation VR, which that headset is big enough for my glasses to fit in it. But I can only do it for about 10 minutes until I start to feel too queasy. And the height thing hit me in that when I played, I think it's just on PlayStation, but it's not a game per se, but it is a Spider-Man experience where you're basically like, I'm Spider-Man in the world of spider-man homecoming and like it

starts with like here you are spider-man standing on the edge of a building shoot your web i'm like ah how many hours have you put in animal crossing i'm i'm i got to be at least at 80 myself at 80 yeah oh i i think i'm probably at 140. Wow. We're in late June. I'm still waiting for KK Slider, but I think I'm around 70 to 80. Oh, and soon. Yeah, I've gotten really into it in quarantine. And I don't play video games.

This is the one. I played a ton of all the previous Animal Crossings. And then this one was just a wonderful warm blanket in a time of trouble. Perfect release date, too. Oh, yeah. I'm starting to think this was intentional by Nintendo. Q told me a few things. What did they know and how long did they know it? We're delaying this game.

No reason. Well, in about a week from now, too, you're going to finally be able to swim and dive in that game i'm looking forward to that but what yeah oh yeah you hadn't seen the an update i don't keep up on news i'm not very good about that keep an eye out i believe it's july 3rd they're gonna update it that you can swim you'll be able to swim oh my god but yes well uh this episode though we now are coming to the part that is easily the most remembered part of this episode oh yeah definitely which uh homer's off by himself he is uh in this clip he's looking at a bunch of signs that describe parts of the mountain the one homer doesn't say out loud is at the bottom it's the decapitator this leads to a uh one of the sexiest of moments in the show's

history in this clip the widow maker oh that one's for the ladies spine buster boring colostomizer don't hurt me! Here's my wallet! Hi diddly-ho, shushin' boots! Flanders? That suit's a little revealing, isn't it? Well, it allows for maximum mobility. Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all. Quit it! Must wash eyes! Uh-oh. Okay, don't panic. Remember what the the instructor said if you ever get into trouble all you need to do is feels like i'm wearing nothing at all nothing at all nothing at all

stupid sexy flanders oh my leg this is the worst pain ever so yeah the director calls out his assistant director uh josh tabak for a lot of this stuff like all the homer skiing antics the very funny uh like disgusted homer face when he's trying to push the image of ned's butt out of his eye out of his head just like a very unique kind of off-model face that makes it a lot funnier oh yeah i love that face of homers i can think about it right now i can just picture it and yeah i mean this flanders before had already been drawn as uh surprisingly fit even under his sweater which in his normal character design he has a slight paunch like most simpsons males do so when he takes his shirt off in you know season three well it's really season four but it's season

three production episode street car name marge he takes his shirt off and he has an amazing body so they've they've stuck with that since but this one of the reveal like his perfect body with painted on clothes we've never seen his butt to this level of detail before yeah his butt is dancing it's it's an amazing butt for the show and i i well in like three episodes we'll we'll learn even more about flanders's anatomy uh but oh god yeah but uh but this became a meme i think because it's just such a a memorable joke like not just the funny drawing of Ned's butt, but also this. It's about being distracted by something that you don't want to be sexy. I think it works.

It works in that meme fashion as well. Yeah. Ned's in this episode a lot. I forgot how much he's in this. Right? Yeah. And just the shot of Homer's crazy disgusted face with his thought balloon having a zoom in on Ned's butt is just a very funny drawing. And I also didn't realize shush shush means going downward on skis. So that's what shush in boots is.

Is a pet is the cute name. OK, I did not know that i yeah i never never been skiing didn't did not know skiing terminology frankly there's too much skiing terminology and uh the pain in homer's legs like his legs break like he breaks his legs before march does in this episode he's immediately ready to go back for more yes yeah it's he based on that joke and the end of this episode homer seems to have no memory of pain like pain leaves his mind instantly uh then we have a bit of a joke of lisa being a uh somebody who insists on doing old school cross-country skiing of just this whole bit is so odd yes yeah lisa really enjoy it but it's just like where does this come from it is a joke at

lisa's expense which happens a lot around this time in the show but i do like her goody goody like i'm gonna do like the cardio fun not fun skiing activity which is cross-country skiing so no no slopes no thrills just like a flat uh landscape and of work. And these bloodthirsty deer definitely fit with the many times they do a joke of like Lisa trying to do the right like environmentalist thing and being punished by like unbelievable happenstance. Like when she saves a fish and just throws it in the ocean and a shark eats it or she's like, oh, uh dolphins are nice and then dolphins take over the world in a in a treehouse of horror episode the ranger that

saves her is from a mountain of madness uh but it's hank azaria doing a different voice yeah it seems like he forgot what that voice was or he just didn't know what drawing they would they would make him i think it was smart of them to be like why are we maybe that was a callback they hadn't decided on yet yeah we've been noticing a lot this season the animators i think are doing callbacks that the writers aren't considering like the the mary worth phone drawn in the mary worth guy's office like i i would doubt the the script said mary worth phone is here but the the artist kind of draw it in plus i mean why fully design a new park ranger when you already had a perfectly good park ranger you've used before that was their

uh other chairlift joke which i appreciate it'll show you everything directly under the chairlift a good view of that great joke uh also lisa gets in a good little eep there i think to the the the deers turning bloodthirsty. I saw Omine in one of her interviews. She talked about an inspiration for her when she joined the Simpsons was John Swartzwelder. Like, that was one of her or maybe her favorite writer before she joined the Simpsons. And this is a very kind of Swartzwelder-y turn here, too. If you're slaving away at a full house trying to think of things for the new babies

to say the new cute babies i'm sure you're like god i if only i was writing jokes about angry deer that were going to kill a little girl okay then we have a quick joke about boarding and all of the catchphrases you say which they just remind me of late 90s snowboarding video games and all the commercials for it i'm blasting a dookie is what part refers to as going number two. You know, I don't think I was a sheltered child, but when I bought the Green Day album Dookie, I didn't know for like a year Dookie meant poop. Like no one ever called poop Dookie in my neck of the woods. I didn't know for a long time either.

Okay. I wasn't alone then. I think somebody had to tell me when it was new. Hey, you know what Green Day actually means? That means you smoke a lot of weed oh i did in a day wow i'm learning right now that that's what green day and i was allowed to buy that band yeah uh they should they should not have been selling those records you can find out what longview is about on our patreon see that one i did know why i'm very uh i i can't believe i didn't

know the other uh that green day meant that, with all these snowboarding, the snowboarding instructor jokes, they reminded me of the South Park Aspen episode. Oh, yeah. And I checked, like, that episode's two years after this. So if anyone was ripping people off, it was South Park. They were more going for the boob comedy ski school Aspen extreme kind of thing. The Savage Steve Holland classic Better Off Dead. the uh the boob comedy uh ski school aspen extreme kind of thing the uh the savage steve holland classic better off dead uh but uh yes then we go into uh the lodge and marge is getting hit on by disco stew honestly his his aggressiveness i love to see disco stew i was so excited i i like that he has a different outfit for the ski lodge, too. And he was previously talking to Edna, probably striking out.

Oh, yeah, you're right. It is very cute that Marge doesn't understand she's being hit on and just is confused. Yeah. She's like, you're sitting on the armrest. Why are you sitting so close to me? This is weird. And also, she's unaware of what asking to party means as well, which is sweet. Like with hats?

Whatever you need for Stu to get his thing on. He's super creepy here. And also he's singing a song that is a reference to a real song. The 1976 Johnny Taylor song, Disco Lady. Here's the real thing as it was performed on soul train yeah there we go move it in move it out disco lady around the time i was watching the simpsons i got very into disco oh really yeah um because of the disco compilation cds that were being sold on tv oh cool the ones that are disco the ones that are just a list of songs and then like every fifth song they name probably i mean in recent times yeah i know what you mean now

in recent times i think we've all come around to thinking like, oh, no, disco is fun and cool. And it's like, I think back then it was like, you know what's better? Every ACDC song that sounds exactly the same. That's music. Yeah. Disco music. I am upset about how long jokes about it lasted because it's just dance. It's pop.

It's dance pop music that we listen to now. But the joke about like, oh, disco is terrible lasted for so long. I think it is because the anti-disco teens of the 70s, they're the ones who took over much of American pop culture. Yeah. Yeah. But they're wrong. Disco is great.

Did Disco Stu make you more or less into disco? I think I just felt like that was like a for me like talking about disco stew i was like that joke's for me i love disco and uh then then uh the kids interrupt his flirting with marge and he realizes he dodged a bullet by uh going after a woman with kids which i love the back away not today disco lady and marge then talks about why she doesn't want to be skiing including the term fanny first which uh uk listeners let us know if that was cut from your earrings of it i wonder yeah i was thinking about that i was like which did they mean though uh i I'm sure Marge, whenever Marge says it, she means it in the 60s mom way of the nicest way of saying but.

But yes, then Marge gets honestly very painfully injured in this next clip. Move it in, shove it out, disco lady. Is this seat taken? I think that's an armrest. So, do you party? You mean like hats and noisemakers kind of party? Sure, baby. Whatever your trip is, Disco Stu wants you to be comfortable while he does his thing.

Who's Disco Stu? Hi, pumpkins. Kids, back away. Not today. Disco lady. Have you been in here all day? You missed all the fun. Skiing Fanny first into a crevasse isn't my idea of fun.

The only risk I'm taking is running out of marshmallows. Ow! Somebody get a doctor! Oh, man, another clock accident. No wonder. Look at this. this oh boy uh crevasse is a funny thing to make marge say yeah but i was laughing very loudly in my apartment that the turning of the nail and just how heavy the thing is and how they put it on the nail and it starts to like shift a little they back away from it immediately it shifted, and it takes two giant men to pick it up.

Also, yeah, I forgot the gag of Marge saying, who's Disco Stu? For us as Simpsons viewers, we all know who Disco Stu is, but Marge is incredibly ignorant of his, like she doesn't know Disco Stu exists. How dare she? He bought a jacket from them yeah she bought that yeah well and uh yeah well i'm trying to remember any other or wait i'm sorry he didn't buy the jacket from

he almost didn't advertise his friend didn't know him his friend was the one they definitely they've had an interaction before but who's who's gonna remember every disco man you meet in your life especially in springfield i mean mr burns never remembers who the simpsons are so yeah uh and and disco stew has had uh he's he's done a lot of the powder in his time and i don't mean skiing so yeah also it just feels like a typical joke of this time where Marge is doing the safest thing possible and is punished by fate with horrible accident just because the world is mean to Marge. And then I, for the first time, got the joke about the hospitals that the Jewish hospital is too nice and expensive for Homer. Catholic, too cheap.

Presbyterian, right in the middle. That's a good little religion joke there. And because of that, the hospital is temporarily renamed for this episode. I couldn't believe they gave a shit that much. I loved this joke. And also Disco Stu's outro gag and the act of just, she can't believe she went home with those guys yeah and uh yeah this this next act here it reminds me both of trash of the titans and because i watched the pilot for the

mike scully uh mel gibson savages oh yeah yeah both have the plot of without a woman to clean up after a man, men are disgusting pigs and will just live in their own slop. Yeah, actually, this episode idea was assigned to Carolyn. It was Mike Scully's idea, and she brought the Hawaii stuff into it. Because this happened to him when he was a kid. Their mom went to the hospital for a week, and the house became an absolute mess. Nobody did anything and she came home to a horrible mess so that horrible tale of a mom in danger became a sitcom gold i guess that's what you have to do you draw from your life yeah that uh them being surrounded by all

their trash like the barn and home are just a mass trash if they are not cleaned up every second by Marge. And or dressed. Yes, even dressed. But yeah, Marge. Well, also the length of time in this episode Marge is in the hospital is kind of random as well here too. That seems unclear. There's a bit where Marge does say amount of time later. Yeah. A week, a week, right? It's a bit where marge does say amount of time later yeah a week a week right it's a week which that but it would have to be like six weeks yeah for compound fracture yeah yeah i had a clean

uh listeners know i broke my arm once but i did not have a cast but that was not a compound fracture it was just a a single break and it mended over time. But that took, it took four months before I could even just move my arm again. They do give Marge a cane in like one scene later. Like, she's okay, folks. I do like that at least, you know, Lisa gets it pretty rough in this episode as like almost punishment for daring to try to help her father and brother but i like they at least give her kind of a moment of challenging fate of saying like i bet i could be even more efficient than you mom like that that makes it

clear that she almost uh what's the word i'm looking for it's like hoisted by her own petard yes yeah i don't i didn't want to say like she earned it by thinking that but the hubris alone she's like i could probably improve on the mom stuff as a little girl yeah she thinks that marge is uh not doing it well though lisa by this point should know like barden hom will never, ever help her with anything ever. But, oh, well. And then there's a joke about interferons, which I believe on the commentary, Meyer is even, like, a little embarrassed at how sweaty that is. They made the one interferon pun you can make.

And the perfect place for it is a hospital. Which apparently interferons are used to treat treat cancer or some cancers yeah oh yeah we passed over it yeah that it'll clear them up real fast unfortunately it costs thousands of dollars for that iv bag but uh like the title of this episode is reference to the dustin hoffman movie a little big man oh right it has nothing to do with this episode at all but i think it's a movie that no one really talks or thinks about so you might that might be lost in some people it's it's about native americans right i think so yeah uh yeah okay yeah yeah i mean let's uh i i'm probably better off not knowing what that is about i i but i remember stocking it on video shelves when i worked at a video store and thinking like i've

never heard of this dustin hoffman film uh but yes the the next day lisa is learning how hard things are going to be including uh as homer arrives at the breakfast table in his underpants morning dad where are your clothes i don't. Don't tell me mom dresses you. I guess. They're one of her friends. OK, now we're going to draw jobs from the chore hat. Come on, bikini inspector. Drop toilet.

OK, that was practice. Practice. Practice. OK, here we go. Feed fish. I'll supervise. You know, the reason for the hat... Oh, it's a great hat.

No one's questioning the hat. Will you at least do the dishes? Lisa, I'll do the dishes when I pick it out of the chore hat, and it's not a practice. See? There it is. But that was a practice. The system worked. I love all the kid logic he uses

yeah it's uh but when okay they have to make homer so childish in this because otherwise he is too it's it gets he's an mean to lisa in an adult way and it feels way worse yeah i think like homer forgets he's an adult when marge is not around it works i like too that they their way of feeding the fish is to put dirty dishes in there and hope they just eat the food off of it which i gotta think that kills the fish like those fish are dead but also that homer thinks one of marge's friends must dress him every morning if not her that's that's pretty great but yes i i mean, this also feels like it calls to mind being in a roommate scenario and trying to find a way to share their chores responsibly and it not happening. I've been in that with roommates.

Yeah, it's just like, hey, take out the garbage. Some of that garbage in there is yours, you know. Just like, okay, do you want to break it all down for me it was usually a uh standoff about who was gonna empty the dishwasher wow man well i a dishwasher probably would have helped in my roommate scenario when i now now i live with my husband but uh you know in my roommate, I usually did the majority of the dishes with the understanding that the other person that she would take out the trash more often. But I think that ended up being like a double passive aggressive thing where each of us thought the other did more than the other. Like I would think to myself, I wash the dishes way more than you take out the trash. And then, you know. Classic.

Your 20s is being in a bad roommate scenario as you both learn to not be children anymore. That's what I think. But poor Lisa, she's trying to be as fair as possible with this chore hat. And it feels like both Homer and Bart are just counting on the relaxed sexism of society just to be like well you'll just do it because you're the girl like we'll just let that happen it's kind of classic yeah I guess by trying to be fair they are finding outs in this yes yeah instead of her just assigning them stuff she's giving them a chance and they're just taking advantage of it oh i mean also that like else al bart saying he'll supervise like that too is such an easy job especially for like i mean i've had that in in uh at jobs i worked at where a person could take a different job but they're like you know i'll supervise on that thing i'm a

supervisor now and so in a way i'm actually your boss instead of doing something uh that uh that was like in the video store yeah in this next scene uh lisa becomes her most like motherly in the whole episode too which uh i love this scene especially because i leave it asking myself like so did lisa not go to school today what happened here are your lunches no trading your fruit for firecrackers oh but lenny just got some bottle rockets you stay away from lenny and where's your sweater bart it unraveled on a nail that's not true he left it on the bus you're dead squealer those boys of mine i love that joke so much i love any kind of like totino's pizza roll yes like my hungry guys uh and then also a homer not only becomes a kid for this scene but the younger brother like

he forgets that he regularly strangles bart in this scene uh and then also he has to be like warned to stay away from lenny i just lenny is a as a name to say is a good line. Yeah, just include him. I love her tone there. I thought that Yardley Smith's delivery of each one of these lines is perfect because the tone is just dead on like you stay away from Lenny. Those boys of mine. I just really liked the delivery of all of them.

It lets Yardley play Lisa in a very different way than she normally gets to. I would hope she had a lot of fun with that, too. You know, we'd said earlier in the season that season 11 doesn't have a Lisa episode. Yeah, I realized that while I was watching. I was like, oh, yeah, this is it. But, I mean, you're forgiven for, we're both forgiven for thinking this wasn't a Lisa one because you either remember stupid sexy flanders or leprosy you don't remember this middle bit i think yeah one

act of it is hers right yeah if that basically and even marge kind of takes it over with her like relaxation stuff which yeah cuts back to marge not only i i've definitely been in marge's situation when sick not with a broken arm, but it was just like, oh, I don't want to be a bother. I'll just clean this thing. I'll just do that. I love that. It doesn't bother us.

Yeah, it's just about getting more morphine. Marge, I think, gets addicted to morphine. For Marge to work at all in this middle section, she has to be doped up the entire time when she should be worrying about Lisa. Yeah, the B-star should be her morphine addiction. And then, of course, we get Mr. Sakamoto. I mean, we just had the news that... We're recording this, yeah. Yeah, I guess the black characters will no longer be voiced by white people.

But I don't know if they're extending that to Asian characters yet. I have a feeling... I think they were saying every okay ethnicity yeah i think white actors that'd be kind of weird that'd be pretty weird if they're like okay well i guess with the black characters just because there's a lot of black stuff in the news but everybody else is still white i assume i assume that was the move uh for whatever reason but i guess it is every every race is going to be played by sure that's why it's happening but it would be weird if you didn't just go like okay maybe let's not keep having uh this controversy and just make it all of them i i can't imagine today in the writer's room they say,

all right, Mr. Sakamoto, who should that be? Hank. Hank Azaria, of course. Yeah. And I'm not going to play any of him in this, but I do like that the character says the exact thing Disco Stu says too. Like he says, voila, I do my thing. Okay.

I was wondering what his joke was outside of dispensing pleasure, foot pleasure. Yeah, I mean, it seems to imply that Marge has never had a foot massage in her life before either. Or a hair massage, as we see. That is so funny. I love that guy. They're working the hair a lot in this episode. One of the hidden deleted scenes that you have to access access through the menu marge is getting her hair massage and the doctor finds a pacifier in there but it's bart's pacifiers so implying that for 10 years a pacifier has been stuck

inside of her hair i believe it that would have been a good i i would have liked that it's one of those ones you're like oh that would have been a good i i would have liked that it's one of those ones you're like oh that would have been a funny joke in there but yes uh then we cut back to lisa failing or more of her frustrations and this taught me a bad lesson about uh washing dishes mark you were supposed to scour the pans. They need to soak. You said that four days ago. Look, they're rusted through. It's an illusion. No, it's not.

I got the groceries. Good. Maple soda? A cell phone full of candy? Astronaut bread? It's the bread of astronauts. I didn't know Aerosmith made a cereal. Dad, I gave you a list.

Oh, yeah. You were way up. Hello, Lollipop Island. There's a little girl here who had too many sour balls. Anyway, where were we? Hello? Hello? They hung up.

Yeah, that's... I love it. Well well there's lots of callbacks this episode we see the grotesque steven tyler caricature that i love yeah on that uh box of sweet emotions it's it's straight out of how he was drawn in flaming mose when he's like singing uh good love i think Good Love, I think. Whatever the song was. I don't know. He's singing the, ah, give up. Walk This Way? If it's not Pink, I don't know. Pink is the song you know? No, no. Or Love in the Elevator. I actually know lots of songs, but I can't remember which one it was. You remember Mo singing Walk

This Way, don't you? Yes. Well, apparently there is Maple Soda now. It was a Shark Tank produced product. I don't know yes okay uh well apparently there is maple soda now it was a uh shark tank uh produced product so okay i don't know if it's in like larger markets but uh sap seltzer is out there well i feel like 15 years ago me and my friends we'd see at all the hipster places the funny sodas oh the jones sodas like yeah yeah thanksgiving dinner soda and all that stuff right i think those those sodas were very popularized i don't remember a specific maple soda but i think i'd rather drink a maple soda than a cream soda but i'm definitely not a hansen's

cream soda but oh man two two soda jokes one episode so again this seems to show that homer can't be trusted to buy groceries but he can't be mean to lisa and be like oh i didn't want to buy what you bought it's just he he buys everything that's in the impulse aisle again because he's a a child like especially the cell phone full of candy like that is such a great buy me this mommy kind of purchase that homer made i love that uh and uh and yeah lisa uh her reaction to the soaked through dishes too like parts just an illusion love that and the parts using a racing form in that shot too it's not commented on yeah that's a nice little gag i didn't even notice that uh i actually out after watching this episode before bob came over i was like oh crap i gotta watch my dishes i can't

let bob see my i because definitely in that previously mentioned roommate scenario i was of the type of like well you know it's gonna be hard to scrub this macaroni and cheese stuff off of this pot let it age in the sink just soak it mike and i are still regular soakers yeah it i mean i think there is truth to it there is merit i don't know i i recently invested in non-stick uh cookware like all across the board i'm like i was a fool to scrub anything ever i was a fool i'm i'm okay with an overnight soak i just did that that with my rice cooker pot. I did an overnight, but I try to not let it go more than a day. A four-day soak is probably a bit excessive. Though I definitely have done it, and it did not rest through in my 20s.

So the Simpsons lied to me there. Oh, I also, sorry, one last one I want to shout out. Astronaut bed, it's the bread of astronauts. That's a great does what it says then lisa tries to call marge for some help but marge is too high there's i i wonder lisa did get the place pretty cleaned up later which after having two feet of water in the house is pretty crazy she must have called surly joe or something polo game uh then homer especially homer's crash and then he says polo

yeah apparently uh when this happened to mike scully when he was a kid he called his mom in the hospital when his older brother was chasing him with a knife oh god oh man so it could have been a darker story that story did make me feel bad for memories i had a kid of like just not that kind of situation but if me and my brother had an argument when I was 10 and he was 7, let's say, we would call mom at work to be like, mom, he did this. We did that too. My sister would terrorize me and I would have to call for help. But I just think now of all the stressful times I've had in an office job and then imagining my kids calling me in between stuff

with something else to be stressed about, I'm like, oh, God, it's none of those happy childless moments there. And I also like how Marge just hangs up on Lisa like, I think so too, bye. Great animation on Snowball. Her life has been so hard it's nice that Marge gets at least two we uh one week I guess of of being happy something about Rancho Relaxo experience here you're right actually pretty similar to that yeah

no tequila but morphine also that uh that description of the bone could jam into her brain I'm like that's a horrifying description i i it's made me worry about like uh what people warning about i think anytime lindsey has this ever happened to you when you've gone on a long flight and your mom has warned you like get make sure to walk around you'll get a blood clot oh yeah give you a heart attack uh i worried about that all on my own okay my mom never said anything like that to me uh but when i learned what a blood clot was i have been afraid of them ever since i have gone to the emergency room three times in my adult life because i was sure that i had a blood

clot um but it was actually just a panic attack about having a blood clot oh wow geez i'm sorry to bring up those memories oh it's fine it's not an actually traumatic thing it's just you know one of those hypochondriac for some reason uh because with birth control blood clots you get a higher risk for them and as soon as i read that i was like oh my god i'm gonna get a blood clot one day as people in the gaming industry we were highest at risk for blood clots oh yes constant sitting and flights to japan yes yeah now that's why i did you get compression socks oh no maybe i should invest in i bought some compression socks because I kept just having this total paranoia.

We've all taken those long California to Tokyo flights here, I think. That was when my mom warned me about it and put it in my head. I wasn't worried about it ever before, but I guess actually now nine years ago when I did my first flight to Tokyo, that's when my mom was like, you got to get up and walk around every few hours. You got to do it. She told me that about 30 times and I appreciated it. It means she didn't want me to die. Yeah.

Yeah. No, and I. The moms are right. They almost always are. And so Lisa is just about at the end of her rope and we get a very dark sequence with Lucy, the I Love Lucy show. Yeah. Yeah. So strange. This is so weird. very dark sequence with lucy uh the i love lucy show yeah yeah it's so strange so but the weird alternate universe version of i love lucy where ricky just beats her yeah yeah the

domestic violence jokes here very dark they feel 10 times darker now but in i mean in the early 2000s they were trying to keep up with south park and family guy it was a lot more normal to do a off a very mean-spirited joke like this i forgot that there was a callback to uh ricky hitting lucy yes later in the episode and then they play uh the william frawley uh impersonator at the end dan castellaneta i gotta say like i believe on podcast the ride they just talked about a Lucy thing recently. The tribute to Lucy thing at Universal, yeah. And on Gayest Episode

Ever, they just did an episode about a gay joke on I Love Lucy. That's irrelevant to this conversation. What is relevant is the domestic abuse in that episode was like Lucy thinks Ricky is going to kill her because she's crazy. She's a zany housewife or whatever. And Ricky's like, I don't know what i'm gonna do and uh william frawley or um what's his name again on the show fred fred mertz is like when uh ethel gets in a mood i always slip

her a mickey so like drug your wife if she's you know acting up is basically the the plot of the episode wow and that that is not called out as like that's weird that's messed up Fred but then Ricky's like no I'll try that so like and then the joke after that is that Lucy thinks Ricky's trying to poison her and really he's just trying to drug her like every husband does

yeah so yeah those kind of 50s values are all over I love Lucy that's crazy especially for a show that was like made by one of the most powerful women in hollywood at the time that it still has that much like entrenched sexism in it like i mean that's just the 50s i guess but uh but yeah that uh okay well so now the joke about spousal abuse less out of left field than in this clip. And were you a big Lucy watcher growing up yourself, Lindsay?

I didn't watch it a ton, but I watched it enough to where I'm very familiar with I Love Lucy, but it wasn't like I was watching it like The Simpsons. I definitely caught a few in the Nick at Night nights I had as a kid though honestly I was drawn more to the ones post divorce because those were in color the Lucille Ball shows

that was a different show yeah that's when she was Carmichael I hated those because but then Mr. Mooney she was this Lucy by that point yeah which we hear in this episode uh mike loves talking about old lucy god yeah and i watched all of i love lucy probably like three or four times through because like in the summer there was like a three-hour block on a local station that was just like i love lucy and gomer pile and andy griffith and

happy days just like i watch all those all the way through in my youth so i know all of this stuff wow except for fred martz's familiar with the is it the lucy show where she works in the bank yes yeah i wasn't familiar with that until i was an adult and but i would still laugh at mystery science theater 3000 jokes where they would go mrs carmichael oh yeah i'm like ha ha ha but i didn't know what that was referencing until i was like i don't know 25 that's right anytime on mst3k if a slightly balding man with a mustache was on time he would just go like lucy that's right and uh you'll love oyster lucy remember remember? I've just got to meet Bob Cummings. It's Tress McNeil doing the voice here, which is interesting, too, because she does a great Lucille Ball.

Oh, yeah. But also one of her earliest jobs in Hollywood, Tress McNeil, was doing the Lucy part of Weird Al Yankovic's 1983 song Oh Ricky not just the voice but also playing her in the video yes yeah weird yeah which uh weird and Weird Al uh you know it was a different time but he played he did play Ricky uh he's a little tan I'll say in the clips there uh but he wouldn't do that now no no I'm just saying oh but yes why don't we video as if it's still playing anywhere well it's at two million views on youtube on the official weird al channel i just gave it a watch today oh well then pull it from youtube i'm not trying to get it weird out canceled i'm sorry we hear you loud and clear i will start that petition uh but yes in this clip here this is

the time where i i feel homer is too mean to lisa like this is the too mean crossing for me you hit her pretty hard there rick Say, folks, what's all the ruckus? John Wayne! Will you guys turn that thing down? Sweetie, if we didn't turn it down for the cops, what chance do you have? Jesus. He hit her again. Stupid, imposter, bunch of jerks.

I can't believe it. Losing your marbles, huh, kid? Lucy? Lucy McGillicuddy Ricardo Carmichael. And I think there's some more. What are you doing here? I came from heaven to help you get revenge on these bums. Is there an ashtray around here?

Will this do? Thanks, doll. Now, we need a scheme to teach those slobs a lesson you mean like when you hit inside the conga drum to scare ricky hey stay away from the drums that's my bit i got it here's what you do wait until they fall asleep oh yeah i mean for as crazy as this uh plot twist is that that little They just sneak into their rooms and make sure they're fast enough to be gone. Yeah, I mean, for as crazy as this plot twist is, that little whispering gag, it makes me die. It's so great because, you know,

it should be, you know, peas and carrots, peas and carrots are just the mumbling, but it's all audible. You hear what her plan is yeah so at this point in the series and this point in the episode literally lucille ball her spirit invades the simpsons home to help lisa solve her problem it's not a dream yeah it's not it is as far as the show's reality is concerned the real ghost of lucy showed up to tell lisa this plan you like i think it's a meta commentary way it feels like the show saying okay the next twist of lisa trying to trick them

into doing housework feels like an old school plot of a of a sitcom like i love lucy so why not have lucy show up to give her that idea and then i think the third act is supposed to be like well here's how the simpsons would make it way crazier than i love lucy would deal with this kind of uh caper it would involve electric needles yes yeah yeah every else other lucy is just smoking constantly she's uh she had been gone for 11 years by the time this episode aired i believe she passed in 1989 and that she's still smoking up in heaven too but i guess it can't do any more damage in heaven so it's heaven you can't do whatever you want in heaven that's true yeah and i also like how she's uh such a professional he's like hey that's my bit and she's very very defensive uh apparently you're right it i didn't think it felt

extra mean when homer made that joke about the the cops but when it's immediately followed by a smack and homer laughing and saying he hit her again it does feel a little a little bit meaner yes yeah just because it's followed up by that i think if homer didn't say sweetie before that it might it would come off even worse i guess but just his way i mean he's homer is the jerk in a bad neighbors like horror film of like we didn't stop for the cops we're not stopping for you the plot is that lisa will uh paint on them with poster paint and oats to make them think they have gangrene kind of lesions all over themselves and there's some great more crazy drawings in this like the the sleeping bart drawing where he has

kind of like a crocodile his classic crocodile mouth i love that and also the way they look in the mirror is pretty yeah like rushing towards the camera and like pulling at their skin really cool and i love how lisa says like i don't like the look of this you don't because that's what i said that's a great line and then we get some WebMD jokes, which I just have stopped going to WebMD. If I ever have a fear, I'm just like, oh, what does this feeling mean? WebMD always takes me to something that sounds very terminal. I'm like, well, I just feel worried. I now am a no WebMD guy. I guess I don't enter symptoms anymore. I'll just go and look at it as a reference for something I do definitely know that I have or somebody else has or just looking it up for my own knowledge. Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was too early for WebMD, but apparently 98 was the year of WebMD.

Pretty new. Their version of WebMD is pretty funny though yeah uh well i guess especially in a pre-hd television era or early i guess maybe you'd say early hd you can't really have them scroll through a web page on screen anyway like the text wouldn't read and it's kind of boring so in making it a virtual cartoon doctor that talks is uh is a smart uh way of fixing it yeah yeah and uh though as a video gamer i have always been confused by their reference to real video game dragon quest i i think that's just to them it was like this sounds like a game i think they had no idea what dragon quest was because it wasn't even dragon quest in america yet yeah yeah if if you

were somebody who played those games in english you. Yeah. If, if you were somebody who played those games in English, you knew them as Dragon Warrior, if you even played them. And I mean, Dragon Quest to English speakers, I think always has sounded, I love the game series, but it's kind of a generic sounding name for a fantasy role-playing game. Right. So I can, I can just see that the writers are like dragon quest yeah that's uh that's a video game yeah it does sound you wouldn't think it's a real thing just the way they say it in this but uh but yes the virtual doctor in this next clip is played by elwood edwards the uh the voice of you've got mail yes bye. Goodbye. All those things. I want to, if you can, if you look.

I did not catch that. Oh, yeah. I think it's because he's recorded at too high of a quality on this because it's for broadcast that the joke is lost. Like he recorded those AOL sounds on a tape recorder in his living room. And then those sounds were compressed to be spat out to your computer at like 14 kilobytes per second. That's why he doesn't sound like the AOL guy. I don't know. After you play the clip of him, can you play like the actual

you've got mail? Sure, sure. What's wrong with us? Oh, I don't like the looks of this. You don't? Because that's what I said. Tell her, bird. Shut up. Shut up. We better check with the doctor. Welcome to Virtual Doctor. From the makers of Dragon Quest and Sim Sandwich.

Enter symptoms now. Let's see. Crusty sores. Yes. Horrible wailing. Yes. Yes! Any exposure to unsanitary conditions. Duh. We're pigs.

Okay. and diagnose. You've got leprosy. Leprosy! Unclean! Unclean! Help us, virtual doc. Look at me. I'm on my knees. Goodbye. Excellent. Yep, they got goodbye in there too.

Yeah. Okay, here's... I knew that they were referencing that. I just couldn't tell it was the guy. They actually went to the trouble of finding him. Well, here is the original, you've got mail. You've got mail. That is so crunchy.

You've got mail. Yes. I love it. I remember when getting mail was like a thing to be celebrated a man would tell you he would announce it proudly throughout the house that you have mail well that'd be so annoying if it happened now did you guys see the viral content from 2016 of it's two people they get an uber driver and they're like oh our uber driver is the you've got mail guy i yeah i think i i read that he was like later found to be an uber driver yes yeah he's oh man well in the in the video he's happy to share it he's like oh like the person goes guess who's driving me in this uber you've got mail like he just does it off the top we just

talked about how i'm just bummed that he had to be an uber driver me too yeah i mean we just talked about how uh aol bought something for 178 billion dollars yep yeah couldn't get like get this guy set for life give him a million dollars yeah yeah give him one like yeah it's it's kind of uh it's it's a bit wrong you're right yeah uh but hey at least i hope the simpsons at least play paid him pretty good for for showing up here for this i'm sure he still gets residuals from yeah i bet he gets sag scale maybe above i bet he gets more residuals for this than he does for aol uh discs playing i would hope so and uh also yeah lisa just straight up does mr burns is excellent here uh and then we come to

the third act which is just like wacky town in about three minutes yeah uh so it starts with you know i think a normal sitcom would have like say full house would have done trick the characters into doing housework they then realize i was very surprised by that by the fact that that does not happen it completely backfires the even though they are fully believing it they're still like no i can't clean even at this point like i literally will not touch a mob well full house was not going to build another set for the characters to leave and go to so they'd just be stuck inside uh well they could do a full house episode where it's like and then they go to disney world to fix their leprosy they decide instead to head off to a

leper island or well first they just ask for help from god which you know in a few episodes homer is going to think that christ's name is jebus but here he knows it's jesus so there's some continuity there he is getting stupider that's that is a big slip up i also do like bart's joke oh the why would god punish a kid i mean an american kid yes it's great i love that joke it's a great commentary on how like i don't know a christian americans feel about themselves oh yes yeah that that if you're an american christian you're like well if i'm happy it's because god is nice to me you're like well then why is there suffering in other countries oh i must it must be that god favors americans

they did something wrong clearly uh and so they head across the street to Flanders. This is another just great. They become zombies in this next clip very briefly. Brains. Brains. Use your brains to help us. Your delicious brains. Oh, those poor souls.

What's the Christian thing to do? Oh, thank you. Thank you, thank you, you wonderful man. All right, food. Mark, leave some for Rod and Todd. Here you go, lad. Todd, no. No. Leopard and Todd. Here you go, lad. Todd, no! Listen, Homer, we'd love to help you, but we're not really set up for lepers.

So you're shunning us. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just thinking we could send you to a better place. You know, a place where they could really take care of you. Oh, thank you, good sir. Mwah! Ooh, that's smart boys get the alcohol free alcohol that uh i gotta say all this face mask and quarantining stuff it's a little different now that's true yeah you really now that now that we're in quarantine you you didn't realize how many tv shows and movies had a plague plot line yes yeah you watch anything now and it's like oh it's a freaking

pandemic plot line it was fantasy then it was a fun idea yeah like wouldn't it be funny if we gave them an infectious disease uh How silly it would be to take precautions about exposure to something. I just know I'm going to be openly protesting the first Zoom-based sitcom. Oh, God. It's no longer be a one-off special. It's going to be like, this is a Zoom show. We're all Zooming around. Yesterday, actually.

I want every TV show and movie to take place in an alternate universe where covid does not exist because i don't want to see all of these stay-at-home media that's going to pop up now i don't want it we're in for trouble like i totally agree with you because i i don't want to see any like well here's our cute covid love story or the covid office or whatever like no we i want escapism i don't want to look at this. Be outside. Absolutely. Yeah.

Well, and you know, with the safety concerns of even filming live action together again, I think it's time to, you know, more animation than ever needs to be greenlit by production companies, starting with the third season of Infinity Train. I agree wholeheartedly. And the writers need to be made wga oh for sure yes yeah that sucks i'm sorry yeah the animation guild means well yeah no i've heard it just doesn't have a lot of members to get the leverage that it needs uh that well you know you're in company there with early simpsons right it wasn't until season 10 that simpsons became even a wga show was it 10 i thought it was 7 at least no it was 10 yeah

yeah 99 i think right henry yeah you know uh mike scully one of the best things he did in his time on the show was he spearheaded the push to make them full wga we we interviewed him about this and uh it was right when family guy was launching that in futurama that he's like okay the three of us together we can get this show going or we can get this wga thing going with fox and you know to seth mcfarlane's credit like and he was a new showrunner like a new tv show creator he joined in with scully like he's like yeah let's do it we'll we'll make this wga like so it's an inspiring story of how how and but took him 10 years to get that show to be wga 10 years to get the the name power so depressing and happier news lepros. Let's talk about leprosy. I did some leprosy research, and apparently it is not very contagious.

You need like prolonged exposure to like the droplets. So it's even less contagious than, let's say, COVID-19. Yeah. So yeah, the leper colonies were just people not understanding the disease. And that's why those things happened. I know. That's why it would largely spread between families. And I saw, too, that it wasn't like it's been pretty not preventable, but curable for the last like 50 years to the.

And also why it's called Hansen's is because Hansen is the name of the scientist who discovered the actual like, you know virus that causes uh leprosy as well so that you know if uh leprosy is such a good not good i mean it's a a memorable yeah the but the word is a memorable word and works because of the stigma attached to it i can see why saying hansen's disease didn't really like catch on you know but it's also good for somebody with hansen's disease so if somebody like us are like oh i have hansen's disease and they're like okay i don't know what that is oh i'm so sorry whereas if you're like i have leprosy that person's gonna have a completely different reaction yeah uh and homer kisses ned right on the mouth too i and he loses his mustache from that yeah you can't you can't kiss strangers anymore or your neighbors no more kissing neighbors it's it sucks tragic that's the

biggest loss i think also uh we just finished doing season one. So seeing a jello mold joke is, again, a very season one kind of thing. The horror of the family is great. Yes. And just I really laughed at Homer scooping the jello with his hand and saying, you know, he wants a rod to eat out of his hand. It is funny, though, because it's unclear why they flee to the flanders house uh oh because they had a whole perfectly good house they they are looking for somebody as good as jesus to help them with their leprosy so right uh and uh also worth noting that this other than her final episode as a living character this is the last appearance of Maude in a speaking role before her passing.

So enjoy it. Enjoy these Maude lines here. She did not sound like herself, did she? No, no. She's been replaced for this season. Yeah. Okay. this season that's yeah okay that's uh one of the unfortunate angles of why they got they um chose to kill off models that there was uh drama with the actress who had played her for the

previous 10 years on the show uh wanting a you know basically a standard of living increase like like not even a huge raise and uh and they felt that they wouldn't pay that that sucks yeah unfortunately maude did not live to see the ben-hur remake oh yeah how many times are you gonna remake that thing i don't understand they just they need to kill more horses but i do like they bring into the net and maude relationship the the thing that you know them saying like you watch that without me like that that but with a christian film is is funny it's really i love the imagination christmas joke oh yes yeah they're they're they're so excited i i want to see that gif on a loop of them just like walking moving back and forth we cut back to the house. Lisa gets an awkward phone call from Mo where they find out that Mo has been kind of cheating on Homer with them.

He's like, oh, wow. And that idea of an eye-opener drink, that definitely feels like it's a drink from when it was more normal to drink in the morning. It's like a Mad Men era terminology. more normal to drink in the morning it's like a madman era uh terminology like i need an eye opener uh yeah no mo like uh just in disbelief that lisa would think homer was going to the gym in the morning i did like that and uh and if you want to make your own eye opener out there i've got the recipe from esquire's website oh uh so you want one and one half ounces of dark

rum half a teaspoon of orange curacao one half teaspoon of apricot liqueur one teaspoon of grenadine and one egg yolk and that is how you get an eye opener i don't drink before uh 10 a.m unfortunately so now i mean this uh if you're somebody who needs an eye-opener, Homer getting an eye-opener each morning at the bar says a lot about Homer and his rampant alcoholism, I think. I'm the opposite. I don't drink anytime after 10 a.m. Oh, get it all in in the morning, right?

You can work it off. Yeah. I do about three cups of eye openers and then um and then i can't have any later in the day because then i won't fall asleep you could just pour vodka into your pancake batter it's fine instead of milk i'm gonna give that a shot yeah it's a real one-to-one swap out lisa hangs up on mo despite mo demanding he not hang up on her and marjorie enters the house and she's walking on a cane but just for this scene she has lost the cane by the time she appears in hawaii in the next bit this is when they find out that the

they sent them to malachi island uh which had been referenced on the show before. Oh, right, right. It was in Mr. Plow. Mr. Plow opens with Circus of the Stars for Molokai Island, not just for lepers anymore. And we heard about the good islands, not the leper ones. Yeah, that one too. Apparently, mandatory isolation ended in Molokai in 1969. Wow.

So 50, it was like 30 years ago in this episode of Simpsons aired. Yeah. I think, I think finally Hawaii is no longer associated with leprosy. This is the first I'm hearing of this, that it ever was. I mean,

when I was like 12 and seeing jokes on the simpsons about leper islands they made no sense to me but i just yeah i think i just accepted them without thinking any further past it leper colony is something i had heard before but leper island was not was not something i had i think they'd usually be island just to separate them from the rest of like non-leprous people. I've also never been to Hawaii. Still have not. In my gaming press days, I was definitely jealous of like three guys who I got to go on business trips to Hawaii because they had to play a video game in Hawaii. I was just thinking like last spring, we almost went to Hawaii, me and my fiance.

And we're like, you know what? That's kind of impulsive. We'll just go later. There will never be a later. Oh, God. They'll never let me go. Lindsay, have you dreamed of going to Hawaii or have you been? I have dreamed. I have not been. My mom lived there for about a year, but I have not been. Also, I was not born when she was there for a year. So I don't know why that was exactly relevant. Your mom was bragging to you about Hawaii all your youth? Yes. She was like, when I lived on Hawaii, it was so cheap. Also, the bugs were huge.

Wow. Yeah, for all of the Hawaii talk, they are there for 90 seconds of this episode. I think I have like five notes about Hawaii yeah it barely happens I measured it in the thing I was like it's literally 90 seconds and that's if you count Homer singing

a song over the credits I don't know if I said this on the show or just before the show but like I think they're in the Flanders house longer than Hawaii yes you are right they head over to Hawaii we cut to bard and homer being dropped off by a taxi driver who refused to take their money that's a funny drawing and if if you're going to hawaii in the late 90s you have to make a gay marriage joke it is the law

of comedy then yeah uh homer says we're watching a couple of gay guys get married, which the history on that now, of course, you know, with marriage equality being the rule all across the US, these jokes are kind of lost to time. But Hawaii was one of the leading states of the battle over marriage equality. In 1991, a lawsuit from three same sex couples was brought against the state government in hawaii them wanting to be given a marriage license and being refused it in 1996 a judge ruled that the state couldn't ban same-sex couples from getting a marriage license but then by 1999 they ratified an amendment to their the state constitution that made same-sex marriage illegal again. Though at the time, Hawaii did have a version of civil unions that was better than any other state in the U.S. So not that that's great.

And then in 2013... This is too late in the game guys too late in the game to be that bigoted well and in 2013 they they made the state of hawaii made it legal they were not the first state in the u.s to do it but two years ahead of the supreme Court ruling that legalized it. When we just, at the time of recording, we just passed the anniversary of it. Okay. And it was five years. I'm like, man, that five years flew right by. Like, yeah.

I completely forgot about it. Five years happened 50 years ago. I forgot about that because like what I associate Hawaii the most with now or at least 10 years ago. So if they made this episode five years later, it would be about Dog the Bounty Hunter. Yes. It's like that was the pop culture reference. No longer gay marriage. It was this guy, this roadie looking guy who was racist.

Joe Tiger. Oh, Joe Exotic, the Tiger King. Yeah, yeah. I watched that. You can tell by the way I called it Joe Tiger. I think he was in Oklahoma or it was Oklahoma and Florida. They're all over the place. I don't think they let him into Hawaii.

Yeah, so we get to hear about the electric needle room. Whoa, this is a hospital? There it is. We'll take the cure, bag a few lobsters, then watch some gay guys get married. Ah, you must be the Simpsons. Howdy, and thanks for not recoiling in horror. Thank you

for the friendly howdy. Can we get a room with a view? Oh, you'll have a great view of the whole beach from the electric needle room. Really? The whole beach? Yes, from the electric needle room really the whole beach yes from the electric needle room electric needle room i i love that it takes him hearing that twice to react to it i kind of wanted one more beat of homer not getting it but there's not enough time i do like that on the second time he says it there's still like a very long pause between him saying it again and homer realizing

their engagement with the electric needles for the other minute of this episode is so funny that they they both uh love it and hate it and like the the shot of bart hearing homer screaming and going like that's not my turn and he's next yeah he looks at his number two i think the doctor is more interested in getting paid he should know up front like this is paint and oatmeal like yes yeah that i was thinking that i was like surely surely the experts can tell the difference they you homer wouldn't need to eat one of his sores to know it, which that joke made me gag. Yeah. That was pretty disgusting. But also they just all seem to be accepting like, well, you don't have leprosy, but we also want to treat you.

I mean, maybe it's the Flanders already paid for it. So they're like, all right, we'll do it. Yeah. The many jokes, the multiple jokes of just their bloody backs and the bloody bandages. Covered in gauze. Yeah. Horrifying. It's real gross.

Yeah. And from what I read on treatment of it, you don't use electric needles on treating Hansen's disease. It is more about antibiotics and antiviral treatments, that kind of skin needle stuff. That's more for like old school wart removal and stuff that's what i think of with electric needle jokes i think like acne that doesn't make for a fun pain joke that's true if homer and bart were just popping pills and be like oh this isn't so bad it should have involved more acid i think it's acid funnier than

needles vote in the comments or they they take the antibiotics but because they don't really need them it just kills off healthy bacteria and they get c diff oh yeah i like that that's a good alternate pitch i like that uh but yes the family is reunited how much money did lisa marge spend or did marge i guess spend to fly them to hawaii because ski trips flights to hawaii what's going on with his family maybe like a thousand well and marge just had a long stay at a hospital which i mean you know insurance only goes so far and how good is the the health insurance at the power plant anyway god it was also they sent her to springfield presbyterian, not cheapo St. Mary's. Yeah.

We were in the economic surplus, though. That's true. Yeah. Actually, I mean, that AOL Time Warner deal is happening because the dot-com bubble is at the biggest it ever, ever will be in the year 2000. It was, boy, what a happy 18 months we were going to have in January 2000. We didn't know it. But yes,'s uh one last clip as the family is happily reunited in hawaii time to turn over here they are oh thank god you're

all right dad bart i played a horrible trick on you and i'm really sorry you don't have leprosy it's just oatmeal. Yeah, we know. I figured it out after I ate one of my chest sores. Let's get out of here. No way. We scored a free Hawaiian vacation. This place is a blast.

All we have to do is endure two hours of blinding pain. Then it's nothing but shopping and surfing. Tonight we're going to put our fake sores back on. Then jump the fence at Club Med and scare the normals. Well, it all sounds lovely, but... Come on, listen up! This is paradise! And then Homer screams a bit over the credits, which I won't make the listeners hear that. Sings the classic Aloha Oi. You know, this just hit me here, and we've talked about this before in Lisa episodes,

where they make her apologize for a thing she shouldn't apologize for oh yeah I guess I I lost the plot completely yeah um I mean she did make them think they have leprosy which I think is like maybe an overreaction to keeping a dirty house I guess that's true but but shouldn't they at least apologize back to her of like hey we're sorry we were so messy and didn't help you they absolutely should yes i will say to be fair lisa was tricked by an evil ghost that's true yeah she should say i never should have listened to lucille ball the evil ghost of lucille ball yeah i i guess i mean it's just in the make room for lisa episode last season in season 10 it's all this one-sided apologizing that lisa does like she goes like oh i'm sorry it's just this

it's like i don't know other no character apologizes to lisa for treating her like dirt so it just feels uh imbalanced to me you know yeah what are you gonna do uh and marge clearly hawaii is treating marge very well because she's just like dumped her cane she isn't even walking around it's that hot weather all the bones are just knitting together she got up and walked a bit on the plane the plane trip over it works that's me a long flight from springfield to hawaii yeah taking a quick walk on planes helps uh prevent blood clots and heal broken bones it sets a compound fracture easily like that also i i forgot to mention too when they remove her cast that feels like a real writer's room full of men

joke about how a woman has hairy legs after a week yeah but there's nothing funny about it's like yeah your hair would grow under a cast and but instead or maybe it is a sign that it was written by a woman because a guy would be like oh yeah i never thought of that oh that's true yeah yeah could go either way though hibbert's disgust at it is like that is yeah a little unfair to marge like yeah here she didn't shave her leg under a cast. Like, give her a break. He's done surgeries before. Leg hair is grossing him out. And he's got a mouthful of canker sores.

Who's he to judge, you know? But yeah, that episode is all over the place. It is a crazy, wacky episode. But there's a lot of funny stuff in it. And I can't think too badly of an episode that gave us stupid sexy Flanders yep well Lindsay any final thoughts yourself no I was pleased I don't think that I've seen this episode before but I do have a just god-awful memory so it is possible I had but I very much enjoyed myself because I did stop watching after i went to college which was in 2000 so maybe i had seen

this but yeah i only it's fun to watch a later episode every act is a different episode of this episode and i only remembered the second act like oh yeah lisa is the mom and the and bart and homer are bad i forgot about skiing and i forgot about hawaii so yeah it's as if they could all be separate episodes yes it's a real grab bag. I think they eventually went back to Hawaii at some point. I think for a real... I'd be shocked if they did. What state haven't they gone to?

They've been to Delaware. They've got to go back to Hawaii. Lindsay, thank you so much again for doing the show. Thank you so much for having me. Do you have any final plugs you want to give yeah uh please please please check out infinity train streaming on hbo max books one and two are already up there and book three should be coming out soon by the time this episode comes out yeah we're very excited about it and we hope that everybody likes it a lot and uh teen creeps your

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Because I couldn't take that. I... I just couldn't. I... Don't hang up on me!