Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Lost Our Lisa With Maddie Copp

Episode Date: July 3, 2019

We welcome on our artist friend and Simpsons fan Maddie Copp to discuss one of Homer's best moments as a father. As Lisa takes the bus and journeys into the scariest parts of Springfield, Homer searches for his little girl after telling her she can't take a limo. Will they somehow save each other and discover an ancient Egyptian secret? Listen now and whistle along to the Old Spide song! Support this podcast and get hundreds of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron!

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I'm your host, Ushapti owner Bob Mackey, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who is here with me today? Henry Gilbert, and this is what ancient Egyptians called a podcast. And who is our special guest? Should have got off in Cracton. It's Matty Cop. And today's episode is Lost R. Lisa. Ah, it's springtime, so the geese must be flying back north. Today's episode aired on may 10th 1998 and as always henry will tell us what happened on this

mythical day in real world history oh my god happy mother's day bobby deep impact debuts at the top of the box office mary higgins clark's you belong to me tops the the New York Times bestsellers list. And Tammy Wynette appears as Hank's mom on King of the Hill one month after the country legend passed away. Boy, what episode would that be? Boy, I guess it would have been her first appearance on the show. Okay, because I know she was his mom on the Christmas episode. Yeah. Oh, then it was her second appearance, but it must have been for the Mother's Day episode

of the show, too. Not, what are you talking about? Not that and deep impact i was there dan armageddon first day you know maybe deep impact is the better no i don't think it is no no they're both bad armageddon is at least stupid and fun like you at least get like the bombast the last tolerable michael bay movie i'm guessing is armageddon the one where the people melt in the lava? That's one of two volcano movies. Yes. So you're thinking of St.

Volcano and not St. Elmo's Fire. Dante's Peak. Yes. There you go. I think it's one of the two. Weigh in in the comments, please. I remember in Dante's Peak, an old lady sacrifices herself to push a boat through a lake of acid and her bottom half is gone by the time she gets everybody cool and but no deep

impact beat armageddon to the box office it it was made faster and cheaper but did it have a proprietary aerosmith song no it did not no what deep impact did have was msnbc tie-in ads well because msnbc was recently new then right microsoft nbc yep yeah that's what it stands for they were going to finally bring news to the internet and everything was great after that like i believe someone works at msnbc in the movie and at the time msnbc got a lot of crap for like selling out and putting their stuff in movies where now every freaking anchor from cnn is in movies wolf blitzer's a movie star more than he is a news anchor i think uh like anderson cooper appears in multiple if it's a warner brothers film cnn anchors appear in it and they're like well bruce wayne what do you have to say about it?

Instead of using a fake anchor, it's like here's actual news anchors. Here's what you came to the movies for. Or also like, what does Neil deGrasse Tyson think of Superman? Previously they would have Jay Leno do a monologue joke in the movie and that was as far as they would go but now they have real news people giving fake

news stories. You hear about President Johnson today? Yeah. But yeah, Deep Impact as they would go but now they have real news people giving fake news stories you hear about president johnson yeah but yeah deep impact while speaking fictional presidents deep impact was also controversial at the time for having morgan morgan freeman play the president to just like a black president what no way also the thing with deep impact is it has too many it's actually a lot like akira there's too many stories in it. It's just an ensemble piece about the end of the world. It predicted a black president. I hope it actually predicts a meteor that will kill us all.

I'm hoping for that. Well, actually, in that movie they prevent the biggest meteor and a smaller meteor hits it only wipes out like the eastern seaboard. We don't need it anymore. Talioni drowns in it. If you want to watch Talioni drown. And Elijah Wood survived. Mrs. David Duchovny? Well, I don't need it anymore. Tay Leoni drowns in it. If you want to watch Tay Leoni drown. And Elijah Wood survived. Mrs. David Duchovny?

Well, I don't think they're together anymore. Well, the former Mrs. Duchovny. Anyways, enough about this. Maddie Kopp is here. Yes. She is one of our artists for the Talking Simpsons Network. She's done all of the art on our Patreon except for the header art. And she's also the artist behind our covers for What a Cartoon and Talking Futurama and also Talking of the Hill. That's right. And we're recording this way in advance, five months before

you hear it. And this is actually the first recording we're doing of a Mike Scully episode. Wow. Yes. Because Maddie is leaving for Japan and she wanted to do this episode. So Maddie, what is your connection with Lost or Lisa? So for Simpsons in general, I was born in 91. So I didn't, you know, I'm not day one viewer. It was impossible. But I definitely watched it a lot as a kid. And it was one of the few shows that my family would actually like sit down and watch together. I actually have like memories of that starting probably around like season seven or eight. And the reason I wanted to do Lost Our Lisa is I am part of the pro dad propaganda. This podcast is too anti-dad.

Anti-dad, anti-boss. I came on here to, well, I'm just really lucky because I have a wonderful dad. He basically raised me and my two sisters on his own and he's just amazing. And so any of the episodes of The Simpsons that have Lisa and Homer bonding are really special to me. I think probably in a similar way that you guys like a lot of the Marge Bard episodes.

What are you saying about us? You guys are mama's boys and I'm a daddy's girl. I've heard of deadbeat dads, but goodbeat dads. So, yeah, I love this episode a lot just because it has, you know, Homer throughout the whole thing is kind of doing really stupid, crazy things because he's worried about Lisa. And it's, I just love the fact that even though Homer and Lisa are really different, Homer still obviously loves her and tries to do what he can for her, even though he doesn't necessarily understand her. Even though Henry and I are mama's boys, apparently. No, I'm self-admitted a mama's boy. I like the episodes where they have common ground together. This is definitely one of them them it's very sweet when they can find some common ground to

share yeah and i i think the writers find a lot of fun places to take homer lisa and touching ones too because i think you know they bring a lot of their own relationships with their daughters and especially in like well mike scully has like five daughters i believe so he has a ton of material to bring to lisa one's like lisa's rival was his first episode he wrote of the show so he tends to add female guest characters female girl guest characters little girls he's very good at that i think in this you know they don't sell out homer too much in this as being he's mostly just a good dad there's not too many jokes about him being mean one of his most painful moments to date yes in our run of the show so far it beats the gorge i think

in terms of pain yeah although he's not injured realistically like he is in the gorge accident well that's the difference the gorge one ends an episode and they're like well he's in traction for the next year or something which obviously is not what happens and he's fine the next episode but in this what happens. And he's fine the next episode. But in this one, they're like, he's fine the next scene. And the tire track's even gone. He is Wile E. Coyote now. He's become Wile E. Coyote. So the story behind this episode is, based on the commentary, guess what? It was written by Brian Scully, brother of Mike Scully. How'd he get that job? New writer alert. It's Brian Scully's first one. You got to know somebody, I guess. But he's his older brother, too. Yeah, yeah.

I believe the story behind this was that Mike lived in East Springfield. And Springfield was the big city, Springfield, Massachusetts, I believe. And his brother got to go when he was forbidden as a kid. And he was so jealous that his brother got to go alone to the big city of Springfield, Massachusetts. And this episode is basically like, what would have happened if everything went wrong? Instead of just a boring bus trip went for his brother into the big city of Springfield, Massachusetts. And this episode is basically like, what would have happened if everything went wrong? Instead of just a boring bus trip went for his brother into the big city. What if everything went wrong for it? I like, you know, it's also so many great Simpsons episodes come from this really happened to me. Let's tell more of a story like they, I like when

they can base it on life experience. These days, i am just a little tired of seeing simpsons ones that are like well i saw a movie what if we satirize that movie it's it's it feels better when it comes from a real place i think mike scully did that a lot more i mean brian scully too is like his this he had joined the staff along along with mike scully's wife and he was on out of this world with mike sc, that terrible alien sitcom. So I guess he started at the same place as Mike. And he wrote for Yakov Smirnoff as well. So they pretty much follow one to the other into their comedy world.

I mean, but it wouldn't be fair. We've made fun of all the Harvard guys hiring other Harvard guys. We should mention, yeah, that Mike Scully hired his brother and his wife to write for the show. And I guess he went on to write for Family Guy. He's still on Family Guy.

He's still on Family Guy. At 65, he's still a consultant producer on Family Guy. Yeah, he worked on Family Guy way along in The Simpsons. He wrote only one other full script, and he's credited on another, I think, a treehouse as well. But otherwise, Scully just worked on that and then kind of went. He went to the Drew carey show to 2004 also worked on mike scully's uh complete savages as well mel gibson produced complete savages yes yeah yep i'm sorry and then after that when family guy came back he got started working on family guy we'll talk quite a lot lot about Mel Gibson actually kind of soon, I think. Beyond Blunderdome is coming up,

right? Yep. Yeah. That's our new Armin Tamzerian is the fear like Mel Gibson. That will kill us. That's going to kill us. But I think Brian Scully did a really good job on this episode. And it's,

I mean, he also, they have a really great writing team under Scully, Mike Scully as well. I mean, we tend to think of Scully episodes as being the Captain Wacky episodes that are way over the top. This is very low key for a Mike Scully episode well. I mean, we tend to think of Scully episodes as being the Captain Wacky episodes that are way over the top. This is very low key for a Mike Scully episode

of this vintage. Except for Homer's head being crushed. Yes, there are some Captain Wacky adventures, but still it stays very grounded outside of that one little kind of set piece. And I think too, this is a sweet episode. Now it touches me as somebody who was afraid of riding public transit the first time I was like

when I first moved to Berkeley California where I've now lived for 13 years the idea of riding a bus I was a bit like least like oh boy I'm with the I'm with the regular folks riding the bus but I also got scared because I was like what is this bus route none of this makes sense there's no easy signage here am I lost if? If you come from the suburbs, at least my neck of the woods, people would put that fear in you of riding mass transit. Then when I go back home and you tell people, yeah, I don't have a car. I ride the train. Oh, I could never ride a train. I could never do that. It's like, it's pretty easy. You just sit down on a train and it takes you where you need to go. Self-explanatory. Yeah. There's just a lot of fear of public transit

in America too, I think. I mean, wherever you're moving, it's pretty awesome, Maddie, the public transit is. Yeah, I'm excited to not have to drive. I felt more comfortable on a Japanese bus than I did on most American buses. Yeah, it's definitely harder to get your license in Japan than it is here. I've heard it costs a lot of money, too. Yeah, and I think you also might be required to go to driver's school. But it's definitely harder so the people who have their license can drive better. And, like, I've been to Japan before in the countryside. And there's, like, there'll be, like, one-lane roads with, like, cars driving on both sides.

But, like, you're not really scared because everyone knows what they're doing. Well, that's good. This episode, too, starts out with a real, like, another ripped from kid life of just like boy the getting to have a weekday to yourself during the school year is just like a dream and how bizarre the world is hey bart what's your favorite thing about teacher's conference day i guess that we don't have to go to school wow mine too the world is completely different on a weekday morning banks are open old people are walking the streets with impunity. And look, Barney's not even drunk yet.

Morning, boys. Can't stop the chat. Time is money. Morning, Barney. You know what makes it even sweeter? While we're out having fun and walking around like crazy, those teachers are cooped up in school like morons. Here we go again.

Homer does make it into work, though, despite staying at Moe's in the morning. That's one of my favorite underrated jokes in there, that Homer is at Moe's before the town drunk gets there. Yeah, it's very subtle. I think this explains why Homer is such in a deep sleep when he appears later in the episode i'll make anybody sleepy as carl said uh and and the idea that barney is uh it's it is kind of a repeated gag because at the new york versus homer simpson they also get there and barney comes out of the bathroom they're having like showered so we have seen other like barney arrives at moe's jokes this season but i do like how well well kept he is very aristocratic what is he why is he in a suit like he like went home and slept

and changed into a suit to come to the bar his hair back there's a watch fob as well he's professional alcoholic uh and having fun and walking around like crazy i love it around like crazy yeah it's also weird the cut to the teachers it's it's a difficult visual gag because you're supposed to think they're yeah somewhere boring and then it's it's actually a roller coaster it's hard to disguise yeah i mean i assume the writer thought, the artist can make this work. And then someone had to sit down and be like, how do I make a roller coaster look like desks for two seconds? And then they get to bring glass bottles of beer on the roller coaster that they're just holding. Like, that seems dangerous.

I don't think. Must be at Itchy and Scratchy Land or something. I like that they even stuck in a, like, seems like from the record, from a saved Skinner. Right. Because his mouth doesn't say Skinner. Right. He's probably just like yelling and then they're like, ah, we'll just slap this in here. That's what he says.

He says Skinner. That's all he says. I like that he's still, even on the roller coaster, he's still like, I'm still mad at you, Skinner. And that they invited Willie on there, which is like, that's pretty nice of them. They don't let him. The roller coaster is for teachers, Willie. Well, now that me and you, Bob, we've been working from homers for two years now, the joys that Bart has experienced are pretty mundane to us now.

Yeah, I love knowing what peak coffee hours are and what peak grocery store hours are and peak laundry hours. You know the best times to go to the places you need to go. It's so good. And banks, you don't have to wait in line at the post office or banks. You're just like, well, it's open. And then no one else is in line, except for other people who don't have normal jobs or homeless people.

It's one of those two. A lot of old people. A lot of old people. Lots of old people. You see the oldest people you've ever seen in your life. I remember when I worked at a grocery store, it kind of like a it wasn't like in the main city was kind of on the outskirts and like sometimes you would see like the same old people just like come in three times a day yes oh wow same yeah actually when i worked at a grocery

store it was like the bar for old people they would just come in and get a coffee yeah just like buy like one apple at a time or like like a lottery ticket. Oh, that's... The video, mom and pop video store I worked at, they were definitely regulars, but they only would come in once a day. And I think, I mean, they were definitely like, there was a tinge of loneliness to it, but they were nice to hang out with.

I didn't like pity them or anything. They were nice enough. There weren't any annoying... Well, no, there was one annoying regular, but he stopped showing up after he got scared of a dog. But that's a whole other story I'll save for another day. So they go to the joke shop. Did you guys go to joke shops as a kid?

I think the closest thing was Spencer's Gifts. See, yeah, Spencer's killed the mom and pop joke shop. Yeah, I think I've only ever been to some, like when I've been on vacation some places, like they'll, I think I might've gone been to some, like, when I've been on vacation some places. Like, I think I might have gone to one, like, in Seattle or something. Because they'll just, like, be there. And you're like, why does this exist? Why is this here? And then you look in at all this stuff, and it's like you don't buy anything.

Well, it's a novelty. Yeah, they're all novelty. Yeah, it's like, oh, look at this stuff. It exists, but I don't need any of it. Well, we were just at Disneyland, and there's a magic shop. And it made me realize, realize like magic is just jokes. Magic is just practical jokes. So there's magic tricks that you can buy there and also practical joke things.

So magic is all humor. Well, yeah. I mean, I had this, oh man, I had this whole conversation with my dad the other day about like why is humor funny? And it's all about basically subverting expectations. Yeah, surprise. and uh you know like kind of i mean like even like going from like fear or anxiety to relief is also kind of the basis of some forms of humor so that makes sense what that disneyland magic shop steve martin famously worked there as well yeah fun fact that's all that's the only fun reason you go there yeah it's like hey 40 years ago steve martin was right in this area so we're

yeah i think he came back for one of the anniversaries once he's in he does a video package that they show at the at the lincoln thing there's a history of disneyland that he hosts and he mentions it in it now man what it must be like to work the register there and just like 800 times a day as people walking you know steve martin works here steve mart Martin works here. Steve Martin works here. Hey, oh, did you ever meet Steve Martin? Steve Martin. And you go, well, excuse me.

I, you know, I think I did a couple times as a kid get to go to a real novelty shop, not a Spencer's Gifts type thing, man. It was amazing to me as a kid, just like it was for Bart and Milhouse in this, because I just loved the tricks of it. Like I got tricked. I remember the big trick that got me the first time I was there was, it was a novelty, seemingly a novelty slot machine.

You pull it and the thing's going to spin. It is actually, shoots water in your face when you pull down the thing because you're staring right at it. So a pretty good trick. So you got Milhoused. Yeah, I did get Milhoused. Speaking of Milhoused, have you ever actually used those x-ray glasses before?

No. I guess what the thing is, because I've used a pair from one of those old magazines and you could order them from the back. There's some kind of light trick that makes it look like you can see the bones in your hand when you wear them. So it's like some kind of light trick that it makes it look like you can see the bones in your hand when you wear them. Ah, okay.

So it's like some sort of illusion, but that's what it does. It's like you can look at your hand and you're like, oh, I can see my bones, but not really. But just your hand. Yeah, pretty much. See, that's why those things work better if they're sold through the back of a comic book. Right. Because you have to buy just based on the pitch. If you can put it on your eyes

then you know they don't work i can see that classic stock comic book art of the guy looking at his hand and there's like lightning bolts coming out of his head or something like that or like just coming out of the glasses yeah uh so i did buy two things of my own at one of those novelty shops uh they are my parents parents shouldn't let their kids buy stuff at it because you get bored with them the second you're out of the store Just throw it out the car On the way home So one was

My own slot machine That actually did work And I just loved watching that Which What are they teaching you kids? And then the other was A Sherlock Holmes hat Which

The deer hunter hat Or whatever you'd call it You solve any mysteries? No But I did like to imagine I mean I was reading A lot of Encyclopedia Brown and I was like, I could solve mysteries.

You solved the mystery of their return policy. There was none. Yes, no. It was fun to have, though. It's a conversation hat. Oh, right. It's the conversation hat. That's right.

I love Milhouse's earnestness of giving him his prescription, too. He's like, oh, I believe you. Here's my prescription. I would think he probably charged him triple then for his prescription x-ray glasses. So Bart instead decides to invest his money on something to make his face funnier. I don't think my face is as hilarious as it could be. What can you show me in a nose or forehead accessory? Whoa, looking sharp! Oh,

thanks, Governor. If you put dog do on the suction cups, they'll stick better. Milhouse, I'm not gonna take dog do that's been on the dirty ground and put it on my face. I have a better idea. So is that where Bart buys his chin putty? I would bet so.

His chin putty supplier? And his little bastard secret agent kit. General Mischief kit. There are his little bastard Secret agent kit General mischief kit There are several little bastard kits in this show Yeah Oh and I bet it's also where Milhouse buys his Baron Von Disguise outfit too

Leave that to the Baron and me Though it's weird that Charles Bronson Guy runs that place but that's how this feels very much like the experiences of the dorks who write comedy that they went to these stores a ton as a kid and i mean these are the peewees big adventure movie i was just thinking of that yeah it's like kids of the 60s had all these things in their lives, these magic stores, I think, in a greater supply. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, the big businesses really did.

That has to be like... Now I just go to Walmart's magic department and get all my magic supplies. I mean, there has to be no profit margin on running one of those things. The only reason you run it is if you're like a former ventriloquist who loves those things. His disappointment is it all just falls off your face like that suction cups as a kid they do they mostly suck they're not very good uh though the glue i never glued anything to my face as a kid though i did like playing with elmer's glue and like gluing it to my hand and then peeling it off as a kid if i was

bored i'd do that i get a lot of anxiety when i have super glue just like i don't want to touch my face or my skin i i get worried about it too well now we've upped to the most recent time we didn't buy super glue we bought gorilla glue bam i knew it was coming it's the new cool thing glue it's the only way to stop a gorilla put down a slick of gorilla glue stop him in his tracks yeah it's i don't i it's crazy it's been around for a while but i feel like only recently have i heard like it be the comedy glue people bring up like it's got that comedy alliteration and a monkey in it it's the perfect comedy prop gorilla glue it's amazing it should be right next to the gorilla's choice banana when they check with homer about drawer, in the drawer is his handgun. Apparently that's a drawing from the cartridge family or a layout from the cartridge family they reused, which is why the gun is there.

Pete Michaels directed both of them. I've got a drawer somewhere around here. I can pop in there. And Mike Scully just laughed at the implication is that he lied to Marge again and just either stole the gun from her or bought a new gun of the same model. But either way, that he just has a loose gun in that drawer. That makes it when he rips the bottom out of the drawer even scarier. Like a loaded gun just fell on the ground. That he just hands his kids super powerful glue as well. Like turnabond. homer that he just hands his kids super powerful glue as well like turn a bond glue and i love just

the animation of like bart punching homer in the stomach the sound effect is really funny too it's and just how he just won't wake up or he when he was finally wakes up he even turns on his console he just had it completely off and and i and like i said it's because he's drunk. He got drunk before work. And so yes, once Bart gets the glue, then we get to see what Lisa is doing today. This exhibit is a once in a lifetime event. It's the first time these Egyptian artifacts have been allowed out of England. Just let me put some film in the camera, and then we'll hop in the car. You can get a picture of your mommy with a mummy. Whoops. There goes Carl's bad caverns. Oh, well. Oh, I can't wait. In just 20 minutes, we'll be in a three-hour line to see the orb of Isis.

Ta-da! Notice anything new? Bart, what have I told you about throwing money away at that joke shop? Try and cut back a little? Take those silly things off it won't come off lisa is a huge fan of isis revealed in this episode isis before it was cool yeah isis meant a very different thing we had this with our archer podcast i want to tune to it's just isis was just a goddess you talked about it's just a funny thing well not funny it's just so it's so awful when like the terrorist group started becoming big and like the people

who were named isis or it's just like oh great this is my name now well they've rebranded so i think isis will come back as a cool thing you can name stuff i i hope so he's gonna take like 10 years or something i think the uh i i also like there's a couple like quick lines that go by there of like lisa one saying like this is the first time they've come out of england which i feel like that is a reference to the them being stolen in a colonial stance like they were stolen from egypt their egyptian culture but it's england that gets to choose who sees it uh and then on top of that too like in 20 minutes we'll be in a three hour line yeah you shouldn't be elisa's is kind of a nerd to be excited about the line there wasn't a long

line when we see it later though i think homer cuts the line oh you're right no wonder yeah okay there was a line i apologize and uh i like i like how long marge pulls on his neck. It's like 20 seconds. It feels like... And I like the bit too that Bart, when he first talks with the giant teeth in his mouth, he says, thank you, governor. I feel like, has that meant that his big teeth are British teeth? I think so, yeah. He belongs in the big book of British smiles.

And yeah, it's just the way he sheepishly looks at Marge, too. Just like, try to cut back. And they had to redraw the mouth charts, too, for him to have the giant teeth. A special mouth. I like the mix of things. A toucan nose, a faucet, giant teeth, and Frankenstein bolts. Marge finds out that he's got a turnabond in it, which in case of ingestion can salt to more tissue. That's great.

Bart says he didn't eat any of it, but to glue those teeth inside your mouth, you're getting pretty close to eating it, Bart. I think you are. That means later on his gums sweat. Oh, yeah. Wait a minute. That doesn't make sense. of eating glue people is that especially super strong glue is that it will glue up your intestine and cause a blockage that will like cause a lot of problems and you have to drink some solvent that'll speed that's like that's like

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Oh my goodness! Mom, I didn't eat any of it. I'm not stupid. We've got to get you to a doctor right away. Ow, ow, ow, ow. Wait, you promised to take me to the museum. I know, honey, but this is a very unusual situation. At least it would be for most

families. What if I took a bus? A bus? Alone? Absolutely not. It's just too dangerous for an eight-year-old. In a few years, when you're old enough to drive, then you can take a bus. It's the last day of the ISIS

exhibit. Well, you should have thought of that before I glued all this stuff to my face. I like he has a bunch of crap on his face, and he still also has to stick out his tongue. And even Marge recognizing, like, this happens a lot to us, doesn't it? It would be for most families. And then Marge, it's a very nice lame mom thing to Marge. Say, when you're old enough to drive, then you can take the bus. A nice bit of overprotectiveness there.

And though Lisa learned the right lesson from Bart here, it's that you do a bad thing and ask for forgiveness, not be a lame-o and ask for permission from your parents. Bart gets away with everything because he doesn't ask for permission. He just does it. And so it's fun to see like Lisa be this crafty here and figure out a way to, I mean, this also feels like a very like Mike Scully, one of his best qualities I think is a writer on the show and a showrunner.

As a parent, he knows how children use the parents against each other. Right. Like he does in this case here. Well, and to just Lisa's manipulation of, oh, well, I could take a limousine, but it's $200. And it's funny because she obviously cares enough that Homer knows that she's going to the museum. But she also wants to go so badly that she'll be crafty and find a way that she can go and he gets to use i i love a good joke about like well what did your other what did the other parents say um you know it's always about you go to the ads in in my two-parent household

it was like well a yes from dad is not anything like i need it's it's mom who is the she's got to turn the key on this she's my direct report on these yeah there's a very funny moment that's underplayed there's not even a beat in the moment in which lisa tells homer bart's in the emergency room and there's not even like homer stopping or any sort of lingering on the scene he just does not acknowledge the fact that bart is in the emergency room i just i love just too it's it's Lisa, Lisa goes, dad. And then Homer goes, who is this? It's Lisa. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. God, I forgot about that part.

This whole sequence is just such great writing and then acting too. Like Yardley doesn't normally get to do these many funny things for such a long scene and get to play them off of Dan, who's just such a funny guy too. This is a little bit of a long clip, but I just love every second of it here. Hi, what? Hi, bro! Hello? Dad? Who is this? It's Lisa. I just called to tell you

how much I love you, and can I take the bus to the museum? Museum? I don't like the sound of that. What did your mother say? I wasn't 100% clear on that. She said something, but she was kind of in a rush to get Bart to the emergency room. Hmm, so you want to take the bus, huh? I don't know, that's a pretty big decision.

Well, if it would put your mind at ease, I could take a limousine. Although that would cost $200. $200? Oh, isn't there any other way? I guess I could take the bus if you think that's a better idea. Frankly, I do. I know you had your heart set on a limo, but sometimes daddies have to say no, honey.

I'm afraid you're going to have to take the bus. Alright. Atta girl, I love you so much. Yes! It's funny too, because at the, Homer's problem isn't the bus. It's the museum. I don't like the sound of that. But she does trick him into thinking he's being a good father.

Right. He's like, no, Daddy's got to say no sometimes, sweetie. And I love how good the acting on Yardley of her performed. Yeah, well, and, too, with the animation because she's like smiling through the whole thing so it's really it's really fun and homer too yeah his reaction like who is this and then meanwhile lisa is so excited she hangs up on him while he says i love you yeah like him being very sweet i think he's got to see that orb that's that's i mean his her dad will be there anytime and that god he's just like oh two hundred dollars it just is like frankly i do he thinks he's like outwitted her and when he's woken up

the second time he is kind of saying the things he said when bart and millhouse woke him up except sleep he was like what is it like he didn't he can't even tell them all you can't fire me i quit he doesn't have the energy for it that was so fun never get a lot you rarely get a long scene like that for yardley so then lisa's gonna take the bus she's very proud of herself and gets to say like it's the the right of choice for the poor and very poor alike i had a lot of these big boy moments when i moved out to this city moving to a big city for the first time in my late 20s. Like, I am riding on a train. Or like, I'm in the big city walking around.

You can see why. I'm at a bodega. Everything's dusty. You can see why bad essayists do write about that for the first time. Like, my first time riding a bus. It's like, everybody does this all the time. But I felt very proud of myself then for doing it too, that I could have talked to myself and the thing like people want to read

an article about what it was like for me riding a bus the first time. And, uh, behind Lisa, he does not speak. So, but this is the last onscreen appearance by Lionel Hutz. He's already said his last word,

but this is his final on-screen appearance. Hartman, not dead yet, right? We are 10 days away. Oh, my God. No. 18 days. We could have saved him. I know.

Leave the house, Phil, please. I don't want to bring down everybody. I know. Yes, he actually, yeah, he dies 10 days. He dies on the 28th, 10 days after the season finale. Not fair. But, hey, we'll talk about that in Mother Bart or Bart the Mother. Bart the Mother, yeah.

We'll get extra sad then. We need a tribute episode to Phil Hartman at some point on this network. That's a good idea for the... Patreon. Oh, but yes, we've heard Lionel Hutt say his final on-screen lines in Realty Bites. But yeah, he's one of the many folks riding the bus. It makes me wonder if he had a line that got cut. Yeah, I was going to ask that, but you guys haven't watched the deleted scene.

It's not on there? Well, I didn't double-check the deleted scenes, but on the list of deleted scenes on the Wikipedia, it's not there. I mean, it could honestly be. Sometimes I wonder if they don't have deleted scenes of Phil Hartman's stuff. If one, because they didn't decide they didn't want to have any deleted scenes or if it's seriously like a rights issue and they'd have to get his permission or his estate's permission i remember there being at least one for the boy who knew too much yeah that's true they cut and i remember

actually i remember a storyboard scene with lionel in it as well yeah so okay probably isn't that but there's some very observational stuff on what it takes to find a seat on mass transit oh yes yeah hi larry i'm sorry it's just that on the school bus may i sit there of course not That seat's for my coin purse. May I have that seat? Yes, if you can answer me these questions three. Question the first.

Never mind. I was just going to say, I love how Agnes has, she puts it on the coin purse so Lisa can't sit there and immediately takes it back. Yeah, that whole tapping the sign thing is one of the later memes i see referenced not the latest meme i see reference but one of the later ones yeah and they change the text but you can tell what it is larry the bus driver should have returned yeah i i think he's a worthy addition to the series but uh so funny and how unfriendly he is people who put their bags on the seat next to them i i

am outraged by tiny injustices i see all around me all the time possibly i get too mad at them but i am like robocop when i see somebody doing that it's like that's where i'm sitting now if i have to choose a seat it's gonna be somewhere where there's a bag i'll be like excuse me can i sit there yeah i don't know it's like it's like fine if there's a lot of open seats but when it's like a super packed bus and there's nowhere else to sit and there's some jerk who has their bag on the seat it's just like no yeah or if somebody's coming back from the airport and they just have all of their bags all around them like i've been that guy they put their bag on the seat and then they fall asleep in the seat next to it it's like yeah i mean yes i've been the guy with a lot of

bags on the train after a flight. I feel awful the entire time. I'm like, God, I'm so bad. And then if more people get on, I will at least be like, hey, I can put this on the outside seat and you can take the inside seat if you want. I try my best with that. But yeah, meanwhile, it's the people who at rush hour try to be like, well, no, this is my laptop bag. I got to put it to my side here like i think back when i was doing more transit during peak hours i would very uh passive aggressively just not show

the person's face but i would photograph their bag taking up a seat and tweet it out like oh this guy's got a pretty great bag huh it's the only way to dispel your rage over that there's only so much you can do if anyone's listening don't do that please please just help don't be selfish and also if you're standing in front of a door but not getting off yet get out of the way of the door then get back on i'll tell you in japan they do it right yeah they know how to get off trains and get on trains right yeah that's another thing also uh if you're getting onto a train wait for everybody to get off yes before you get on i'll be like getting out of a mostly empty car and people will just be piling in like, no, this car is mostly empty.

You'll get a seat, please. Please. I implore you. I think it's the people, a lot of people when they come to San Francisco, there isn't public transit in basically any other city in America. I start throwing elbows getting off a train.

I do. I mean, a couple of times I've been so mad. I'm like, hey, if somebody is about to step in front of me and then they have to step back for me to get off the train, I'm like, thanks, I'll say. That's me in my worst morning mood. I try not to be that mad. I'm glad we don't have that commute anymore.

It was a murder. Well, then you're also in a worse mood because you know when your commute's over, you're at his job, you don't like. And then meanwhile, I think this is the most annoying comic book guy has ever been by quoting monty python like that's the ultimate him wearing his dungeon master t-shirt yep wearing wearing his hat to the place too it's though it's shocking to think he'd even like he would host dungeon mat his dnd things at his store wouldn't he well also this imagines that he has friends to play yeah which i just don't believe that no comedy comic book guy but god quoting monty python this bothers

me too because i was i at the time this episode aired i was still in that phase i think of quoting monty python i never saw the the show This is from Holy Grail. I've seen all the movies. I've never seen the show, though. Yeah, this is from the bridge troll guy. But yeah, the show I watched a little bit, but it was really the movies I watched in the middle of the time, especially Holy Grail. And so I'm pretty sure I had every line of Holy Grail memorized once at one time and also was a real snob to a friend who misquoted holy grail to me i was like that's not the line and and i think about that and i i hate myself now we are the new monty python fans by quoting the simpsons all the time it is true yes yeah

so then we head through parts of springfield we've never seen before like little newark and crackton which has to be near junkieville and bumtown industrial access road army proving ground uh airport refueling station yeah refueling way the uh and they mentioned to you at crackton it is a very conspicuous bum who's like leaning against it's gotta be somebody animator yeah animator it's too well defined every time you see it like they actually even laugh at that like oh is that conspicuously realistic looking person an animator really wow who'd have thought uh but yes as lisa gets this tour of springfield this is also the nightmare feeling on a bus of

like i'm on the wrong bus when it hits you the like i got on the wrong bus that is yeah it's like you already have that anxiety whenever you're I remember like every time I would ride the bus I would always think I missed my stop and like it's like you have to like you watch every stop and I'd like check the map over and over again it's like okay I'm okay I think but

well I've been there too of like I've fallen asleep on a BART train once all the way to the last stop oh wow and this was the last ride on the last stop, so I had to get a taxi to pay $20 to get home. But that was my fault for drinking two beers and getting slightly sleepy. That's just how it is. But things are a little rougher for Lisa here. Rural Route 9.

I'll be proving ground. Um, excuse me, sir. When does this bus get to the museum? It doesn't. Oh, but isn't this the 22? Yeah, Monday, Wednesday,

Friday. Tuesday, Thursday is the 22A. 22A? Then where the heck am I? Don't make me tap the sign. But I'm lost and I need to know where...

Last stop. End of the line. I should have got off in Crackton. That end of the line zoom is much like the foster home. Very similar. Same guy looking behind him driving something. And it's a real ADR moment but it works great For saying like but I'm lost

And I definitely don't think that Don't make me tap the sign thing was in the original run That was some recycled animation That's a good ADR line though It's a good edit joke I just love the don't make me tap the sign That's his ultimate threat there And also these buses are really bad

in Springfield because you don't have to get off at the last stop it should be circling back around to take you back into the city right? Is that what the buses do? Unless it's going bus runs only go for a certain amount of time and then they'll go to whatever the bus depot

Yeah that's true Alright so then yeah Lisa's screwed she's poor at least i mean she's dead like she's not in springfield anymore she is like 40 miles outside i don't know i don't know if there's like some law that bus drivers have a responsibility for children i wonder i mean i have to say like this is a very surly bus driver but bus drivers are real american heroes i salute quite a lot yeah people on planes should clap for bus drivers are real American heroes. I salute them. Quite a lot. Yeah. People on planes should clap for bus drivers. Yeah, bus drivers, man.

People bus drivers have to deal with. And they have so many lives in their hands all at once, like all the stress. And like everybody hates buses when you're driving because the buses are always in your way. Yeah. And yeah, it's a rough life. And you have to deal with the surliest of passengers too

and just yeah it's boy i feel bad for those guys yeah and gals so we come back that's when we get to see the geese fight scene that we started the podcast with the opening sound hi that's really good animation on the geese it really is a lot of humans making geese noises too it's just so funny that that Lisa's just like screwed again She's like finally my smarts tells me which way is north And then they just smash into each other All that bird camp did not pay off Well she can't help it

One of those sets of geese is confused But she doesn't know which one She can't control the birds yet It's just a great idea of like It's a good enough joke just to see two v formations flying in the wrong direction but then they didn't smash into each other and then have like a geese fight geese are falling out of the sky geese are horrifying as we learn from regular show yeah they're very scary then we go quickly to the doctor's office where we get to hear about a

plumbing explosion which that's a pretty good gag too just that just that's a normal term like no it was a plumbing explosion like you know that just that's a normal term like no it was a plumbing explosion like you know those things that happen plumbing explosion and marge pointing out the faucet to bart she's not freaked out by it's just like she that as if bart would care too yeah that's just details your mom gives you when you're hanging out oh i love that wallpaper good cool mom yeah and then lisa also as she's walking around she goes to area 51a yeah mike scully in this episode really good with the adr because i based on her mouth move she definitely didn't say how can i get 50 uh 22 with 22a mixed up because you need that setup for 51a to work

as a joke if you're just coming in after the commercials okay yeah and uh yeah the location of this location is classified great uh you are not here that's no king sign gag but uh i mean dan is just gonna be at playing like stupid military figures but yes lisa then finds another person to help her oh this is good old cletus this might be Cletus' lowest moment to this point. So far, yeah. Stupid bus. It can't even go to the stupid place it's supposed to stupid go. Yeah. I seen it first. Girl, this is going to have an elegant wedding feast. Uh-huh.

Listen, I'm kind of lost. Do you think you could give me a lift downtown? Cletus, what are you beating your gums about? Never you mind, Brandine. You just go back to birthing that baby. Yeah, I'll fit you right, little missy. Hop on in. Mind the skunk.

Them things can go off even after they's dead. I wonder if they added that baby sound afterwards. I think so, yeah. It really sells the whole terror of the scene for me. Until... There's a wet baby in the car now. On the floor of this pickup truck. I mean, too, for the longest time,

until I was getting the sound effects, I thought that was Lisa screaming more. Like when she covers her mouth, it goes. I thought it's also going like, ah, but screaming through her closed mouth. But no, it's a baby. It's Brandine has given birth to that baby. But it's a great gag. They also say in the commentary that originally in the pile of animals was like dead dogs puppies yeah they

had to redo that one because they're like this the other dead animals fine but dead dogs no that's that's like true george meyer humor yes yeah especially idea george bryan in the commentary i think describes it as an especially cute puppy yeah george meyer you know he's like another un undersung hero in mike scully's time because he pretty much it sounds from the description he was almost a co-showrunner yeah hour on the show like he mike scully really leaned on him a lot creatively all the power none of the responsibility yes yeah and i though i think too in this in these years the scully years george meyer he always pitched funny jokes in the room, but they animated more of them,

even though they went to darker or crazier or more scatological places like the impotence powder. I, that powder was almost a little too scatological for Simpsons. I thought, especially, it wasn't just the idea of impotence powder, but that the guy had,

was holding his crotch ashamedly and turned away from the person was like this is this is weird for simpson i don't know it wasn't it wasn't my viagra was in the news oh god i've never seen so many viagra jokes in one half hour uh yeah cletus is at a low point here it's this is one of my favorite commentaries that yarnley smith is on too because she's she is not just going like how'd you think of that she says cletus is her favorite character which oh really well i think she has uh i mean she basically played a brandine type in uh maximum overdrive yeah so when we get back to the doctor's office this is where hibbert saves the day. Young man, there's nothing funny about novelties. I mean, they're humorous and all, but this is certainly no laughing matter.

Can you help him, doctor? Oh, my, yes. Why, if I had $75 for every novelty I've removed... Oh, by the way, I'll need to check for $75. Yes, I think a series of painful injections

directly into Bart's spine should get the job done. What happened? You didn't do anything. Oh, didn't I? Nothing dissolves glue better than human sweat. I knew Bart would panic and start perspiring at the sight of this button applicator. Couldn't you have just turned up the heat a little?

Oh, heavens no. It had to be terror sweat. The authority with which he says terror sweat is really great. Terror sweat. We can't just make it hot. I mean, I think it's that he prefers the fun of terror sweat to heat sweats. That violates the Hippocratic Oath, though. Hammer's getting more evil by the episode, I think.

He'll soon not be a very good doctor at all, I think. But the button applicator is a really well designed thing because you can totally see the buttons in its first appearance, but it does just look like it's a bunch of needles. It's a cool prop. Very well designed. And also really good work by Pete Michaels and the animation team of the first person view of Bart being checked on with the,

like, uh, him being moved about with the faucet right in front of his eyeline and the, his big toucan nose. It was, it was very well done. Yeah. I just,

I just love the buttons going on Bart's shirt. It's just like such a cute little way to end it. And $75 is a pretty good deductible. Yeah. And, uh, according to Google, sweat is helpful in situations like these,

but it's not that it dissolves it. When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part visit dejaude.com care and get insurance that's really big on care did i mention that we care it that it basically just creates a layer between your skin and the glue the glue doesn't do any dissolving when your sweat gets to it it's just it creates a slippery layer of stuff in between your skin and the glue that loosens i feel like a lot of that

stuff you just kind of have to wait until like your skin like regrows and flakes wait seven years or rip it off perhaps that was uh well that was actually a plot point in the 100th episode of bob's burgers where bob sits on a super glued toilet seat in a prank war from his kids. And at the end, they simply just rip his butt off of it. It's a funny bottle episode they do for their 100th episode where Bob is stuck on a toilet

in the restaurant and people just come to him, all these characters from across the series history. Check out our What a Cartoon episode on Bob's Burgers. Then we go to the power plant and this season is really when

Lenny and Carl come into their their power they're superstars they they are made they are much bigger forces than they were even in season eight uh lenny and carl are here i saw this carl line meme the other day when someone was obviously lying about something on twitter and it was a screenshot like that never uh happened that's a good one i like that that one. I mean, it's also just Carl's desperation to tell people about his hat. He's like, aren't you going to ask me? Like, I've had that of like a new haircut or something. But I love it when they ask him. He's like, oh, this thing?

You have to, well, then you'd be too full of yourself. You're just like, about time. You'd have to act nonchalant. So, uh, ain't you guys going to ask me about my hat? Ah. Hey, Carl.

What's with the hat? Well, what, this thing? I got it down at the museum. It's what the ancient Egyptians call a souvenir. My daughter's at that Egyptian dealie right now. She wanted to take a limo, but I made her take the bus. You sent your little girl downtown on a bus? Alone?

Maybe, but you don't know Lisa. I mean, she's so smart, they hooked her up to a big computer to try to teach it some things. But she had so much knowledge, it overloaded, and then it got really hot and caught on fire. That never happened, did it, Homer? Yes, but now I have to leave on a totally unrelated matter. Lisa! We got him throwing down his lunch tray instead of hearing the car drive away, as we normally would. He just drops it on the ground and yells, Lisa.

So after coming into work drunk, now Homer leaves in the middle of the day and just runs away. I do. I love his story about Lisa and the computer though because it's a stupid person trying to explain what a smart person is. He's like, I know Lisa's smart, but I don't know what that means or what it means to be smart.

So he has this whole computer about how she got hooked, this whole story about how she got hooked up to a computer. Though in a Dave Merkin season, that scene could have happened. Right. It's very much Homer being a little kid. Yes, yeah. It's just a child's run on sins.

And then? And then? And just Lenny and Carla have to be like, oh, come on. And finally it hits Homer how irresponsible it was to let a child go on a bus for no reason. This is then we cut to Lisa in Little Russia, which, you know, out of all possible ethnicity towns, I'm glad they went to Russia. Well, no, Henry, Russians are scarier than ever these days. Yes. Yeah.

Though it's also interesting that they speak real Russian, apparently, as translated by the aforementioned Yakov Smirnoff. Oh, my God. For Mike Scully. Is he credited as the language consultant for this episode? No, I don't think it's in the credits. I think Scully just credits him in the commentary for it. Well, because they wanted it to be exact.

I'm glad when they care, because it annoys me occasionally when they just have gibberish said by other nationalities and scully wrote for his sitcom right it's very short-lived sitcom that was his first what is what a country was that what it was called it had to be called what a country what i'm glad maddie's too young to know who this is yes yes or he'd never been to branson missouri and seen his stand-up showcase? No. No. No. No. But yeah, they really, but it is a funnily observed thing that to a non-native speaker,

sometimes things can sound more hostile than they are actually in another language. So it's a clever observation, I guess, there. But Russia Town, they even write, apparently it was the correct writing on stuff, too. another language like so it's a clever uh a clever observation i guess there but uh russia town they even write like apparently it was the correct writing on stuff too and the cyrillic yes yeah and also the krav kalash man is there he's come all the way from manhattan to move to he's not russian yeah yeah it feels like they just pulled weird for a foreigner out of their pocket for an extra joke there lisa is at her wits end here and she's gonna call homer and i forgot this joke was in the episode when it came i was like oh god that's so funny i i love this guy oh that's it i give up you have reached the office of homer simpson

if you are calling about the waterbed, please leave a detailed message. If you need... Get back to work. He's selling a waterbed from his office. Where did he get this? This is one of two times he's been told to get back to work in this episode by Mr. Burns. Yeah, this is the first...

Wow, yeah. And Burns has the interest to be like, get back to work. Like, that could just be Smithers saying it, but it's funnier that it's Burns. I like the hands on this of Burns. And that's when they a woman old lady tries to sell Lisa a octopus as well. While she's in a phone booth, which children will have no idea what those are. Honestly, I never lived anywhere where there was a phone booth either, because I've just lived in the suburbs when they existed. And by the time I got to a big city like they were gone by that point

yeah there's like a period of time where they would try to change phone booths like into other things like they tried to make them like wi-fi spots for a while really interesting um yeah but didn't work out as frice's they're just bathrooms now homer meanwhile is freaking out looking for lisa he runs into the museum and it's uh it's a fun just a bunch of visual gags of homer running up the stairs just screaming lisa cutting the line then coming out with merchandise yeah that pyramid shaped popsicle i kind of want one it looks good he eats it really fast i don't like i'm trying to decipher what it is made out of by the way he eats it and the way it's shaped is very interesting.

I'd assume like cherry ice or something. I was thinking, I think at first when I saw it, I thought it was like a gelatin, but I don't know. I could see that too. Sounds good. I mean, gelatin bricks for a pyramid. That would make sense. Yes, Homer is looking for Lisa in all the wrong places.

Oh, for God's sakes, my little girl is... Hello? Homer, what's going on? Shouldn't you be at work? I am at work. This is what I do. Keep it moving, Marge. This isn't a parking lot.

I'm sorry. Shouldn't you be at work right now? Yes, sir, Mr. Burns, sir. Well, then get back to wherever it is you work, whoever you are. That's great. It's great reading, too. It's also a joke. I just like the idea that Mr. Burns says that to random people.

Whoever you are. He just wants people to get back to work, whatever they're doing. That's his natural response to people and the god marge being so trusting like oh all right yeah well i think part of it too is that if she isn't the way she doesn't want to be so it's like well she's like well i better not think about this too long i better get out of the way and she's just coming back from a stressful doctor's visit she just wants to get home i i understand we've all been there and i want to take this the next gag

about wigum as innocently as possible it's just that i don't think it is like a transphobic joke i didn't read is that it's just more of like wigum is undercover and he chose to dress as a woman i mean this is one of multiple jokes that seem to imply wigum is a cross dresser yeah i mean those were still in fashion yes men and you know women's dress, funny. Yeah, oh, it's hilarious. Always funny. But I mean, it'll be revealed in We Know All Your Secrets that he walks around in control top pantyhose. I think it's just a running gag that he likes to feel. Finally, a chance to wear makeup.

Yes, yeah. It's a very Glenn or Glenda thing they're doing with him. But I think it's more he's a cross-dress. Oh, an excuse to wear makeup yes yeah that's that's right i don't want to put a i i don't want to put a label on wiggum but they're judging him henry it's but i think his outfit is less even a very like glenn or glenn it's like an angora sweater too like the kind of sweaters that glenn really loves in glenn or glenn actually uh anyway this is another, like, great

joke. I really do love this gag with the balloons. This is no good. I've got to get up higher. Give me all your balloons. I hope this works. These are for you if you let me use your cherry picker. Well, I've already

got some balloons, but they're not this nice. Damn! Yeah, I mean, that joke has a lot of layers to it that i like yeah the setup the the reading of the lines are really funny yeah i don't know it's just it's just great well like first you think homer thinks he can fly with balloons then you think oh homer thinks he can buy this cherry picker with balloons and then it works yeah and it turns out the guy already has balloons but they're not this nice yeah it's like three or four layers deep which i i like that joke a lot just the way homer homer stands for like one second to make you think he thinks he's about to take off with those

balloons it's like a real merkin style joke i think it's a merkin type uh the the the only slight negative i'll give on it is the balloons are, they don't move like balloons when they're handed off there. They're more like lollipops. Yeah, hey, you animate a balloon. Hey, those are some really nice balloons. You're just not used to seeing balloons that nice. No, that's true. Nice balloons don't move around that much, Henry. That's why they're too expensive. And that guy just gives up

his cherry picker just to homer in the middle of the day. Now I'm thinking of the Paul F. Tompkins bit about elegant balloons. Elegant balloons. Oh, God, that's so good no i need elegant balloons for my party so yeah then you get to see how sad you get a real feel bad for lisa here she's just like oh please like nobody is helping her like this is i think it's like nobody even looks down to see a three foot tall little girl asking for help so you do feel really sad for it's very it's it's a great moment looks down to see a three foot tall little girl asking for help so you do feel really sad for it's very it's it's a great moment when homer sees her uh though of course it's immediately undercut with him now being in far more trouble than she is and his cherry picker

just careening down multiple hills and the it's a fun like looney tunes style set piece with all the stunts and pain it's so well first the the hilarious line of like him thinking like oh i'm gonna fall off the end of the pit and then he just crashes through the pier a great gag on its own uh and then even the pause for him praying to superman that's so great the idea that he there's so many layers to that too that homer isn't praying to god he's praying to superman who he thinks is real. It's real. And that Superman listens to prayers instead of just saving people. That's a lot of layers to that.

Then Lisa's able to save Homer, though apparently it sounds like she asked for something else. I'm not normally a praying man. But if you're up there, please save me, Superman. Hurry, hurry, lower the bridge. You're the boss. Dad, grab on to it. Oh, Lisa, thank God you're okay. You said to crush him, right? No!

That's a good no. I forgot about the cars driving over his head when I was watching this again. Oh, God. That's why he has the tire track after. Yeah, I forgot that, too. And the yellow of his head perfectly intersects with the line. It's so perfectly drawn. Oh, God.

And just the drawbridge worker is just like, you're the boss when a little girl tells him to close it. And then that he was like, he thought she said to kill this man. And also, he's like, no, listen to anybody. He's like, no, you wanted me to kill a person, right? I did it. Like, no.

And yes, this is a very Wile E. Coyote moment. A real man would have his head ripped off by this at the very least. Or his neck broken. His head would just be crushed and he'd die instantly. The rest of this episode is so mellow. And then you get this moment to kind of balance it out. It really spikes here. And there's so many great animation moments to it, too,

of like the little shot of Homer so hopeful as the shadow of the bridge is closing on him. He's like, ooh. He's trying to plan how he's going to grab the drawbridge. The reveal of what happens is great, too. Yes, God. Good job, Pete Michaels. Yeah, all very well executed.

Then Homer just says he's going to walk it off, which he does. The tire track disappears from his head and he's fine. Then Homer and Lisa have a really nice little moment between them here. Homer explains the philosophy that that is why he's a jerkass. This explains why he thinks of no other people. But usually in his actions. But him using it to tell Lisa to live life to the fullest. Is I think a really nice scene. I'll never take another stupid risk like that again. Don't ever say that.

What? If I hadn't have taken a stupid risk with that cherry picker. I never would have found you. I guess. Stupid risks are what make life worth living. Now your mother, she's the steady type, and that's fine in small doses. But me?

I'm a risk taker. That's why I have so many adventures. Dad! You're headed for the river again! Feel your heart pumping a mile a minute? That's what my heart's doing all the time. Bet your left arm's tingling, too, huh?

Dad, are you all right? I'm enjoying my life too much to care. And you should be, too. So what would you like to do right now more than anything in the world? See the ISIS exhibit. But the museum's closed. Hmm, closed, eh? So getting in would be a pretty big risk.

What do you say, honey? Feeling stupid? I know I am. It's a great line, feeling stupid. Yeah, I wrote that one down. Yeah. What Homer doesn't take into account is when he lives life to the fullest is that he almost kills many people most of the time.

But this is how, i mean the this is the philosophy that drives frank grimes to kill himself too yeah i gotta say i do like parts of his philosophy i think i took a lot of risks over the past two years and you too henry did as well and they all paid off when you're living in the hell world i think taking risk is more of a good proposition yeah i think i think we tend to stay in bad positions because it's easy like if you're already stable it's like well this sucks but i'm here i'm comfortable with this pain yeah sometimes you have to do something risky to make yourself uh better off yeah yeah there's a good actually about quitting jobs like that there's a good line in an episode of steven universe where

one of the characters is working a dead-end job she hates but she's afraid to quit it because she's like but what else would i do and you know sometimes something can feel bad but it's also familiar so you keep doing it but don't worry guys she quits the job at the end the episode is much happier but uh yeah no that though the problem with homer's philosophy as he executes it is that he often doesn't think about how he almost kills many people. None of my risks involve potential death. Like just alone in this episode, when he parks on the curb, he could have hit somebody.

When the cherry picker goes careening down the street, he easily could have run someone over or crashed into another car and killed somebody. Many timeser almost kills other people so maybe don't take risks that almost in that injure others or could risk that but do you know have a more risk-taking feeling in life sure sure and also though i love lisa's reaction to of just like homer's telling her that he's almost having a heart attack most of the time. Yeah, right. And so her reaction is just like, Dad, are you okay?

Like, she really means that, like, you're almost going to die, aren't you? I think I remember watching this episode with my mom when it first aired, and she was like, he's having a heart attack. My mom is a nurse, by the way. Ah, I see. I think I had seen that in other cartoons, that that was the telltale signs of a heart attack. Ack, ack, ack, ack.

Meanwhile, you get one last scene with Bart and Marge here, which I'm kind of glad they include this because I think in a couple of recent episodes, I was annoyed that Bart messed up Lisa's day and he doesn't even apologize or isn't meant to feel bad about it at all. And they just go on. They're just like, well, it's what Bart does.

He ruins her day. Yeah, it could have ended with that last scene of the terror sweats. Yeah, yeah. But instead, we get to see Bart first give a phony apology, then give a real one, and then get mad. Lisa, we're home. Sorry about the museum. Hmm.

You better go up and apologize. Oh, but my apologies always sound so forced. Do it! Hey, Lace, I'm sorry I ruined your Egyptian thing. We're still buds, right? Okay, be that way. Be a big stupid jerk. Oh. You're not the jerk.

I am. Forgive me? Oh, like you're Miss Perfect? Mom, Lisa's making me feel bad. Stop it, Lisa. I'd shut her up. That's very good. Yeah, Mar just forgets why Bart's up there.

Yeah. i'd shut her up that's very good yeah yeah mar just forgets why bart's up there yeah well it's a great parental observation too just like that you i definitely have done that in my childhood too just like my brother is making me mad mom do something about it and she's probably doing one of a hundred other things she had to do you be nice to him yeah and she just has to shout it from the other room she's like i'm not leaving this room i have to finish this thing i'm doing but stop it lisa like that i i like that i have that part it's like lisa's making me feel bad let's shut her up uh but it's a good representation too of how uh shitty little boys can be because they uh a lot of them feel no guilt about anything and are mad that they even have to apologize so So they capture that pretty well with Bart here, too.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's like that brief mode of sincerity where Bart actually feels bad. But then since he thinks Lisa's ignoring him, he just gets mad again. It's a good gag, too. It's like, oh, did Bart actually learn a lesson? No. He went back out of it. Yeah, then we get to the break-in which is very pink panther and like

rather silly but i like it it's it's fun it's really fun homer has gets to finally include lisa on a wacky adventure instead of bart like it usually is though the way they break in is so uh it's why like they have to distribute their weight to create a ladder to go up this hanging arches. I assume Lisa helped with that. I would think so. And yeah, the final, Homer also telling her like, well, you're going to need that last adrenaline to make this last jump. It's like, that's very dangerous for your eight-year-old to do here. Now I know how Sir Dudley Winthrop felt when he first fell through the ceiling and discovered the Temple of Isis. Have you ever seen such exquisite ushabtees?

Eh, not this exquisite. Oh my gosh, it's the mysterious orb of Isis. Archaeologists have been studying it for decades and still have no clue what it means. Well, Daddy will figure it out. Oh, we can't touch it, Dad. It's behind a velvet robe. A velvet

robe. Lisa, you can't go this far and then not go further. I have a lot of information to drop on all of you. Oh, boy. All about Ushaptis. Ushaptis, yes, number one, those are funerary figurines meant to act as your servants in the afterlife.

So little figurines, little dolls that will help you in the afterlife. So also, Sir Dudley Winthrop is a funny explorer type name, right? Yeah. I don't think it's a reference to anything in particular. It's just a good choice for a name. But I looked this up and the result I got was from something called Familypedia. Creepy. Wow.

So the Dudley Winthrops were or are a political family dynasty in America. Whoa. The intermarrying of the Dudleys and the Winthrops created a political dynasty in America. And the last person of that dynasty is Sir John of Cary. What? The tree-faced man who ran for president. So these powerful families What's going on guys?

What we should be asking is how many of Shabti's does John Kerry have? I mean he is one, he's a carving Wow Boy it's almost like all our political parties Are just run by these moneyed families Yeah they go back for centuries Probably nothing though

But wow I didn't know that about John Kerry I thought he just married into the wealth of the Hines family No, he was already part of a huge dynasty They just combined their money Wow Yes And one last thing So later on in this scene

Homer knocks over the things holding up the velvet rope Causing a domino effect And I was like, what are those things called? And they're called stanchions Why do we have a word for that? We don't need a word for that It's too specific But then today we were getting ramen And the lady was like, go stand by called stanchions why do we have a word for that we don't need a word for that it's too specific but then today we were getting ramen and the lady was like go stand by the stanchions and i was like i know what a stanchion is now i know where to stand thank

you simpson yeah that confused me when she said that because i had probably you guys don't know about stanchions let me tell you she must be 18 i do I do think, though, I think every time I watch this episode, I look up Ushabtis because I never remember it. This is the first time I did. But there are elegant Ushabtis in this scene. They do look good. Also, though, this scene reminds me of something that you had no intention of making me think of.

But when this episode was new and I watched it, the Janet Jackson tour, The Velvet Rope, of but when this episode was new and i watched it the janet jackson tour the velvet rope had just launched actually weeks before i double checked this and so i had been hearing a ton about the velvet rope because it was called the velvet rope tour so when lisa says the velvet rope so much my original thought was like is this a reference to janet jackson which like obviously it's not you've never seen a velvet rope i mean i had the the idea of holding people behind a velvet rope was new to me at that point. I think I hadn't yet seen the nodding head guy sketch from SNL, the Roxbury. I hadn't yet seen that sketch. So I wasn't yet sure of the exclusionary practice of velvet ropes. And it's also a very

good real dad moment of homer going like daddy will figure it out yeah trying to impress his little girl like don't you worry oh are you worried the decades of people haven't figured out how to do this well daddy's got it don't worry and of course the lisa knows what homer does he's he's a walking cartoon he of course is going to knock over everything and destroy it have have you guys ever seen stuff get broken or knocked over at a museum i have when i was at the the louvre in paris i saw a group of girls like touch one of the marble statues which was really like i was just like oh don't do that so that was weird i don't i've never

seen anyone like break something i've gotten in trouble for looking too closely at paintings and people thought i was watching them but i uh at a museum a long time ago someone got yelled over a loudspeaker because they were getting too close to something or they were touching something i forget what it was oh wow but actually i went to the mori museum in tokyo and i saw the shonen jump 90s exhibit and everything is just framed on the walls, and I wasn't looking down. There's like a piece of, not tape, but just a marker on the walls, like, don't get beyond this. When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops. So on behalf of Desjardins Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you.

Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part. Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care. Did I mention that we care? This line on the floor. And I was beyond it because i was like oh these things are framed and then they came over and were just trying to be like very polite like waving me away like no over here yeah i was like yeah japan definitely does that it's not like they have

to make a physical barrier they just make the suggestion it's like yeah don't go past this part you know what you're supposed to do except if you're bob but yeah in in america they have to like make like in a physical barrier like you can't get past this yeah no what you know i i know i've transgressed the most in japan and on one of those type of things when a person comes up and is giving me like the x sign with their both their hands like no no no no xx i did observe the don't take pictures of things rule at the Shonen Jump Museum because everyone else was. But when I went to the One Piece Tokyo Tower exhibit, which you're going to, I know, like your first day, right? Oh, yeah.

I was like, I'll be a good boy here. But then I saw everybody breaking the rules, including Japanese natives. And I was like, that means I can do it now. Yeah, exactly. As long as everyone else is. Then you're not a jerk foreigner. You're just a normal jerk. I'm trying to fit in.

I'm a normal jerk. i'm following the customs here i i've never seen it uh at a museum either but almost i did once at it would have been one of the worst places to do it uh so my mom really is into chihuly the glass artist hb lovecraft yeah no he's this like one eye. He's like he's had a lot of glass accidents. Does he have a glass eye? No, an eye patch. Why doesn't he make an eye for himself? Yeah, but he does make art out of glass blowing. And so it's like glass and all these interesting shapes.

He's made hundreds of them, thousands even. And so you get to walk around and see all these like multiple sizes of glass, like some, you know, table size, some whole room size. And so there's this one of like stuff's on the wall and then there's stuff in the middle and somebody you're walking through it and you, they are delicate glass. And one guy not only walks past like the line, he wants to get a photo of something against the wall. Not only does he walk past the line,

he has like his elbow right next to one thing as he's photographing it. And one of the docents is like, hey, stop, stop that. Yeah, that's scary, especially in a room made out of glass. Yes, you're surrounded by glass. There's also like,

this reminds me, there's all these influencers who are just like falling off cliffs, taking selfies on top of mountains and stuff. Oh, God. Always watch what's going on before you take a picture. I mean, you know. No big loss.

Yeah. I'm sure they had loved one. It's fine. But I mean, look around you. And I also, this is the first time I think I caught a grammar nerd joke in here. Homer says, you can't go this far and not go further. Now, grammar jerks who complain like, further

is not a distance. It's actually a metaphor. So, the correct thing for Homer to say would be, you can't go this far and not go farther. So, when he says further, I do think that is an extra gag about him being grammatically incorrect. Oh, wow. I'm ashamed I didn't catch that. I didn't catch it until this time. I was like, I do think that is an extra gag about him being grammatically incorrect.

I'm ashamed I didn't catch that. I didn't catch it until this time. I was like, wait, is that an extra joke there about further versus farther? I believe so. They don't shout it out in the commentary. If you believe in the difference between those two words, you're a bad person. Especially if somebody's just saying it out loud. If you see it in writing that's edited, fine.

You fewer versus less freaks piss me off, too. Stop it. Or what about the people who hate to hear no problem? They're the worst. Oh, it's not a problem, is it? Why would it be a problem? I expect to be thanked on your knees for your patronage. Have a good day.

Are you commanding me to have a good day? I'll have a good day if I want to, sir. My dad would give me things like, I don't know, can you use the restroom? Oh, yeah. Or I always got, you know, I'm thirsty, and my dad would go, I'm Friday. I never heard that one. I also got a haze for horses. I got that one. I also got a haze for horses. I got that one too.

But so let's get to the very sweet, cute ending here between Homer and Lisa. You broke it. It's a music box. Dad, we uncovered the secret. Oh, so now it's we, eh? It's so beautiful. And just think, we're the first people to hear its song in more than

4,000 years. Thanks for making me take such a stupid risk, Dad. Anytime, honey. Just remember, never be afraid to live life on the edge. Now let's get home before your mother kills us. It's kind of humbling, isn't it? The music we just heard might never be heard again.

Yeah, but it'll always live on because we'll never forget it. Dad, that's the old Spice song. It is? Well, that's a good song, too. Run! I love that sound of the music box. It's really haunting and good. Yeah, no, I definitely remember when I saw this as a kid.

You know, like when you're a kid and there's certain things that just blow your mind. They're creepier or weirder than things you've ever experienced. And I definitely remember the first time I saw this episode and heard that sound. I was just like, this is nuts. Yeah, way to go, Alf Clausen, for however you made that sound. And it's very well designed, too. Yeah, the way it opens up is real cool. They talk on the commentary.

They were just like, well, we wrote that it's secretly a music box. They had the animators had to figure out, how does an orb secretly open to then be an ancient music box? That looks Egyptian. and they found a way to do it yeah it's very very cool so do we have the old spice theme i do thank you because when we were growing up this was not the diddy and now old spice has like tim and eric style ads yes right yeah old spice has been screaming at us for a decade i think uh it's got a real mountain dew style to it now uh yeah well well, though, I still like that their logo is just a boat

anyway. I mean, Old Spice is what I think of as the daddiest I mean, now that's You can't use that word, Henry. I mean, hey, if anyone can. Oh, that's right. I can. I'm sorry. But no, it's the most fatherly of deodorants in America,

I think. When I think of like, what deodorant would your dad use? I would think Old Spice. I use Speed Stick. It makes you go faster. I actually... Speed Stick. I do use Old Spice. It's the scent...

Well, I like they have the... They have fun random joke scents now called like Bear Glove and Fox Killer. Unicorn Poop. Well, they haven't got that one yet. But yes, the original Old Spice song when Homer was singing, yeah well they haven't got that one yet but uh but yes the original old spice song when homer was singing yeah we didn't know that as kids because that was not their ads but this 1972 uh that makes sense uh features the old song wake up with old spice feel the spray on your face and the wind at your back.

Come on. Wake up to the freshness of the open sea with Old Spice and get a super smooth shave with Old Spice Shave Cream. You can just hear it in the background. It does sound like a sea shanty. It sounds like Monkey Island music, actually. Well, the man who's telling you to get Old Spice is dressed like an old fisherman, too. He's walking

through town handing out Old Spice to other guys. That's how I want to smell. I forgot about the nautical theme of Old Spice. When he was like, feel the spray on your face. I was like, excuse me? Where are we going with this, sir? He wants the people to get spray on their face. It's a musky scent.

But it's a cute song. That's the one that Homer just thinks of. It's great that that's the theme they bring in at the end with the orchestra. They play with the orchestra. Right. They just let go with it. And it's cute hearing. I would think that Yardley and Dan were in the booth at the same time, too.

It's really cute. It's very cute. I also like, though, that they couldn't resist. Like, well, we need an extra joke here. We can't just stand on the sweetness. So they get chased by dogs. And I would assume arrested and that Marge had to pick them up.

Also, they go with the joke, but then they do resume the actual song, just so you can hear it one more time, too. That could have been the whole credit song, really. Too haunting when you're rolling into King of the Hill in 1998. But that was a very nice and sweet episode that also, I think, kept it really grounded, I think, too. There was no really crazy twist.

And even the opening was pretty connected to the next story, too. It didn't even have one of those wild first acts that's not really connected to the rest of the story one of the funnier action slash pain set pieces of the simpsons up there with the skateboard scene any final thoughts maddie um no i just yeah it's it's a really sweet episode so yeah like again i really like the lisa homer aspects of it um it has the the b plot with bart and marge is really funny i think it's it's one of the more memorable ones for me and it ties really well into the A plot. So it's just in general, yeah, it's a nice episode. It's very sweet.

My mind is still not changed about dads though. I will never be one. I'll get you next time. I do not respect dads. Any dads listening out there, you're doing your best. I understand your pro dad feelings on this, but I cannot feel this way. As the Terminator would say.

No, I do appreciate... They all bad. I do appreciate a good dad in this world of not good dads. That's good. And I want there to be more good dads. I think one of my anti-dad feelings is that I feel like the society we live in has such low expectations for dads that many just kind of coast. I'm like, well, if I take my son to a baseball game once a year, I'm a great dad. Stuff like that that I'm like, well, I want better of dads.

And Homer is a good dad in this episode after being a bad dad who lets his daughter ride the bus. Well, but that was more Lisa's like scheming. So you can't really blame him for that. He got tricked. It's true. But yeah, it's just I definitely I mean, as far as my dad goes lisa's like scheming so you can't really blame him for that he got tricked it's true but yeah it's just i definitely i mean as far as my dad goes he's like i said he's he's really amazing and i definitely feel that you know if something were to happen to me like something happened to lisa he would do really stupid crazy things to make sure i'm okay so maddie thanks again for coming out to berkeley to record with us today and you'll be in japan

when this goes live so do you have a store up people can buy things from? Actually, not right now. Okay, I didn't think so. Normally, I have a lot more stuff to plug. But when this is going up, I am going to be living in Japan. So you can follow me on Twitter. My Twitter name is the letter O, that's raspberry. If you like One Piece, it's a good place to go because I like One Piece a lot.

But yeah, I've had Patreons and stores and stuff in the past, but as far as right now, that is about all I got. I love your Twitter handle. It's a great Simpsons reference a lot of people don't get. Yeah, it's one a lot of people will realize it a lot later and they'll be like, oh, that's great.

I think once you see the header art, it's pretty obvious. But you've got to click through to see that. But if people start following you now, at least when your store comes back, they'll be ready. Hey, look at that. Yeah. Those poochie stickers are great. Also, just all your drawings are so awesome to see. A recent one at the time of this recording you did that I really liked was the graph on who smells the worst about the straw hat it's true it's true it

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