Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Mommie Beerest With Stuart Wellington

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

"One thing Moe Szyslak has never had is a partner. Nor a wife, a friend, a chum, a casual acquaintance, a pen pal, a parrot, a meaningful conversation, a brief hug, or eye contact. I'm just going to call the suicide hotline now. ...And they've blocked my number." - Moe Szyslak Homer bails out Moe's by mortgaging the Simpson home, and Marge supervises this new investment by helping turn the run-down tavern into a classy British pub. But as Homer's bartender grows closer to his wife, will this scabby dead-eyed hunchback make him wear the horns of a cuckold? Our guest: Stuart Wellington from The Flop House podcast Support this podcast and get over 200 ad-free bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Bluesky and Instagram!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash Talking Simpsons. Head there to check out exclusive podcasts like Talking Futurama, Talk King of the Hill, the What a Cartoon movie podcast, and tons more. Ahoy, ho, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, where our favorite food is ice. I'm one of your host, the plus-size butt model Bob Mackey, and this is our chronological exploration of the Simpsons, who is here with me today, as always. Henry Gilbert, ready to remodel this into a pub style podcast. And who is our special guest on the line?

This is Stuart Wellington, your Mo Sislack look-alike. And this week's episode is Mommy Bearest. Maybe some cheery or pink would make this place less of a dive. Mudge, my customers don't like themselves. Therefore, they seek the darkness. This episode originally. They aired on January 30th, 2005, and as always, Henry will let us know what happened on this mythical day in real world history.

Hide and seek is the surprise January horror hit topping the box office. The programming block, Snick, is ended by Nickelodeon. And a week before this aired, Johnny Carson passed away at the age of 79, and this episode was dedicated to him on its first airing. Not retained on the DVD or Disney Plus, whatever little photo they threw up, no longer there. Their sentiment only lasted so long. It's weird.

They want to, like, not date it or something. I wonder why they do that. But it's famous as The Simpsons was the last time Johnny Carson appeared on TV and said words. He did appear on the David Letterman show a year later. One more time. But he basically vanished from the public life for the next 12 years of his life until he passed away. that we did a whole history on The Simpsons and Johnny Carson for the Krusty gets canceled episodes.

Oh, okay, okay, that makes sense. He's about 30% Krusty, 30% Jerry Lewis, and 33% every other Hollywood hack from that era. That's how Krusty ends up, yes. Yeah. I think we all remember how SNCC was heavily promoted to us, and now our childhood is over, and by 2005, as the end of the lineup of Snick shows.

As we're supposed to put away childish things, and instead look forward to adulthood. The final lineup of Snick was Rugrats all grown up, Romeo, and all that, and are you afraid of the dark? Are you afraid of the dark still? Ended the series. Interesting. Yeah, I feel like Snick was created because Nickelodeon had this big hit with the Ren & Stimpy show,

but they literally could not show it during the day. So that then became a 9.30 p.m. show. Originally started as like a Sunday morning show. Right, yeah. It was just too filthy. It was just too filthy. That's why they then. got shows that were, the rest of the

shows surrounding it were like just too tame for MTV so Viacom would put them after Renan Stimpy on SNCC. That's, Are You Afraid of the Dark? I was just thinking about it more recently because, you know, the big streaming hits of the wintertime, heated rivalry. The showrunner, writer, and director

of it is one of the original Are You Afraid of the Dark Kids? I forget which one, but it's a child actor all grown up. He was in the Midnight Society? Yes. And eventually that led to him to telling a less scary and more sexy story about hockey. What if it's intended to be scary?

What if he's a giant homophobe? We don't know this. And then they kissed. There's definitely moments in later episodes where I'm like, something bad's going to happen. Things seem too nice here in Heated Rivalryland. I keep expecting more horrible things to happen. That's why it's a nice show.

That's why people like it so much. Henry, if you enjoy Heated Rivalry, there are at least five other gay hockey books by the same author. You can dive into the Heated Rivalry. There is a ton of also straight hockey-based romance novels. Like, apparently hockey is a fertile ground for libidos to spend time. You know, I think it makes sense. It's a very physical activity.

You get very close up with each other, you know, in it, all the fighting. Although you are wearing more clothes than ever when you're playing hockey. So many layers. I think it is like the layers of it. I think there's like a beard element. And then like you strip down under those layers and you're like, oh. and kissing much easier when you're missing teeth that's what I hear yeah

it's like it just tells me hide and seek a film I had to Google to remember what it even was I have info on it but do you guys even remember it no I like ready or not but I know they're unrelated yes Stuart you're the movie podcaster here do you remember hide and seek from Bill 5

uh no I feel like that's a movie that I'm like I feel like I would have watched that but it's probably like mush together with all the various Ouija board-related movies or other board game horror-related movies that I just do not remember. Cast-wise, it is an elevated horror film for 05 in that it did star Robert De Niro back. Well, I guess by 05, Robert De Niro starring in something is less appealing than it was like a few years earlier. And Dakota Fanning, so it's like they're scared of something.

Yeah, again, number one at the box office. I was surprised to remember that. Then it beats a film I remember more because it was covered. You basically had to cover these films all the time in our era, me and Bob's era, of covering video games and their movies. Ue Bowles Alone in the Dark. That was also in theaters. Yes, famous for just taking D-List video game franchises that were once popular, turning them into video games. Sorry, turning them into movies thanks to tax shelters, correct?

Yeah, movie bucks right there. I mean, hey, he put out some garbage. It was pretty much a money laundering scheme for Eastern European governments, I really feel like. That's the real secret. He adapted things like Postal. Oh, man. And blood rain. Anyway, that's everything that happened in 2005 when this episode first aired.

And joining us once again is Stuart Wellington from the Flop House podcast. Welcome back to the show, Stuart. He last joined us for season 13's Homer the Mo. Homer the Moe. An episode that I don't remember. But yeah, thank you so much for having me back. I'm happy to be here to talk about another bar-related episode. I remember that one being the one where

Mo turns his bar into like a very hip and trendy bar, correct Henry? Because now we are on the fourth episode where Moe transforms the bar. We have Flaming Moes. We have Bart sells his soul. We have this and we have Homer the Moe. And they keep coming after this. This is a plot they return to like every four to seven years.

Yeah, similar to this episode, it is about like Mo's bar is in trouble. Homer saves it. And he then connects more with Moe and takes over the bar. But also then it turns into like, yeah, a fancy bar with like European models and oxygen hoses and all that stuff. Yeah.

And after doing that episode, I changed my bars to having oxygen hoses and European models. That's why we've had you on both of these, I think, because you and Mo have things in common business-wise. Many things in common, emotionally business-wise. In addition to being a hit podcaster, I am the owner of three bars in Brooklyn, New York. And Stuart is podcasting from Aruba. It's a great backdrop. Yeah.

Thank you. Yeah. Tropical birds everywhere. That's the site of the what, pub owners convention, which seems so like, we'll get to it, but that feels made up,

right? Do they address if that's made up or not? It seems to be true. We never see the convention, but all I know Aruba for is a name drop in the song, Kokomo. Oh, okay.

Yeah. It might as well be made up. I would figure trade shows like that would be in Vegas, pretty much only, or similar, or, you know, Reno,

in a Ford Vegas. Yeah. Or Atlantic City. Yeah, the dive bar owners convention is in Reno, but the pub owners is in Vegas. You haven't put your bars through any big remodel jobs yet, have you, Stuart? I mean, in all honesty, one of them we did a relatively large remodel job, but that was because that was a bar that we inherited, and we wanted to give it a fresh coat of paint and some new curtains and make it a little bit cleaner and make it try and retain the old atmosphere while

at the same time being a little bit cleaner. I think we should note, though, that all of these remodeling Mo's bar episodes came out way before the show Bar Rescue, a very popular show about a similar idea. So they were on to something. Yeah, yeah. I feel like they deserve credit. And in some ways, John Taffer kind of looks like, has John Taffer ever been on The Simpsons? Hmm.

Because he looks like he's got a face made for a caricature. Moe stand-in, perhaps? I'm looking this up. It seems like it's a guess they would have on to say one line after a character says, John Taffer. It seems like a 2014 kind of guest. Maybe not a 20-26 kind of guess. Yes.

Yeah. As far as I know, no guest appearance, although many people are pondering, what would happen if he went to Mo's bar? Well, he'd walk in, he'd say, you're going to get people sick or you could have killed my wife. And then he would make Mo. I saw a joke where he's going to make Moe, serve like cod fritters with aoli sauce on, even though you can see the light dying in Moe's eyes every time he does it. I'm sure the staff has had many spec scripts in with that

premise. Yes, I'm sure. This one is written by Michael Price, long time writer of the show still on the show, and he says he just pitched it at the yearly writer's retreat as, you know, the health inspector situation, Marge joining the bar, and then he implies that it, you know, the changes came with the emotional affair stuff. Like, that was not in his original pitch. So it was other writers who feared being emotionally cuckled it as the episode uses the term than Michael Price. That's the juicy part of the episode, honestly. Yeah, we get about one scene in the remodeled bar. We don't know if it's doing well. Of course, it always goes back to normal, but we don't get a scene involving that. So I think honestly, not enough was made out of the

whole English club idea, but I think the writers are too fascinated with the new concept of the emotional affair. Yeah. To, like, throw like a Gordon Ramsey cameo or some other like British cameo in there. Where's Jamie Oliver in this? You know, he was getting big then. Yeah, they were around in the early odds. And so this episode, though, it won the Writers Guild Television Animation Award. And the other nominees were all Simpsons episodes from the same season. So basically, the voters had one to six different episodes to pick from in this category. And they chose this one. This was in the years before Family Guy came back then because, I mean, come on. Family Guy will debut with new episodes, I believe in May or April, but King of the Hill also still on TV. Viable nominee, but not in this category this year. Very strange. Yeah, we've covered this Rider Guild thing before. It's worth mentioning that they only let Guild's affiliated shows be nominated, which at the time were like four shows. But when one of them's King of the Hill, can't one of those episodes get nominated?

it and not all be six Simpsons episodes? Like, I don't know. Maybe King of the Hill just had a bad year, you know? Season 16, we all talk about it, right? Oh, yeah. It's everyone's favorite season. Solid gold. I like this episode, though, by the way,

but I feel like all six spots being taken up by season 16 episodes, it's a little excessive. Yeah, I did notice that this is the first production episode of season 16, and that that led to, like, one change behind the scenes worth mentioning is that Jim reared in, has left The Simpsons. He had been the supervising director and had been, I believe, worked on the show since season one or two. And it's been one of their best directors. He's left to start working on Wally. He leaves for Pixar. For this season and the next season, the old supervising director of the classic years, David Silverman takes over his supervising director. I'm guessing he leaves after two years because he then is the lead director on the Simpsons movie, which takes up all of his time. And that movie, Wally, nothing. ever happened to that, right? Nothing ever came with Wally. With the way animated features are going, though, I feel like we will see Wally too in our lifetime. So by that, I mean, within the next two or three years.

They put Wally out on Criterion, they thought so highly. I wish, in general, my complaint about Criterion is they don't have enough animation on there, but... Where's my legend of the overfiend, please? There's only like one anime on there, right? I think so. And then they have, like, flow. So they have been fixing things like last year's Oscar winner did get a Criterion release for, best animated feature. And the French classic Fantastic Planet has a criterion release, but I have trouble thinking of any others, though, on the list. Jim Rudin works on Wally. He then will work on Reckett Ralph, so he's pretty much done with the Simpsons from this point forward. You guys have watched some Simpsons. Do you feel like the return of the director from the classic years brings a little bit of that classic juice to this season, or no? I think you can

definitely tell when his touches on certain scenes or episodes for sure. And then you can absolutely tell that he had a big hand in making the movie. There's a few shots in this episode that to me did feel like, that feels like Silverman, as supervising director said, do this or do that. And things loosen up more than, you know, there's, the Simpsons gets a little tighter in its movements and stuff. He loosens it back up. But there's only so much he can do as the animation director as the budgets get cut more and more on the animation. side of things, unfortunately. Oh, and it's a fun commentary with Tress McNeil

and Hank is airy on it. Tres McNeil tells a story about working with Seth Green on my stepmother as an alien, which is strange to me because IMDB does not have her listed in the casting, but I didn't rewatch the movie, so maybe she is in it uncredited. Did you rewatch the movie for this episode?

I failed as a research. He's done things like that before. Okay, yeah, yeah. I saw that when I was a kid. I did see it as a youth. I remember being confused by, the sex scenes in it that it didn't make sense to me. I was too young to get that. But the sneezing, I remember the joke that sneezing is the changes the alien's mind on killing everybody on

earth. They love sneezing so much. I don't remember that at all. All I remember is a backless wedding dress. That's like literally the only thing. One other movie we have to talk about is Mommy Dearest. I guess we have to explain this to people because the episode title is based on this 1981 movie. I can't be classic, which is based on the autobiography of Joan Crawford's daughter apparently not a good mom if you go by the book. Yeah, I mean, come on. Like, depends on by today's standards, maybe. She just has a very strong belief in the types of hangers you should use. I mean, don't we all have standards? It is wild. Is there any, are there references to mommy dearest other than the pun name? I don't think so. I don't think so either, yeah. Yeah. And I think

only in Futurama have we seen a reference to no more wire hangers. Yeah. I, of course, watch Mommy Deer, it's not that long ago as a way to make sure that I'm up on contemporary or not even contemporary drag culture. So I can understand all the Rupal's Drag Race references. You know, I think the modern era of Nepo Babies in media is partially because the previous generation of children of famous people made their money on tell-alls. And so the parents need to make sure their kids have, are gifted a career so they don't have to write a tell-all about how they're terrible parents just to make money. That's not a bad theory.

I haven't actually heard that theory before. I think it actually works. They've gone from tell-alls to take-alls. Good strategy. After a pretty good animation on a Sandcastle Couch gag, we start the episode with a little bit of The Simpsons take on brunch. Them going to a classy brunch. And Bob, we talked about it before,

but this is where they have to find an excuse for The Simpsons to do something that a rich person in Hollywood does, which is go to an expensive brunch. and that is paying off the mortgage. I did a quick history on the Simpsons mortgages just to let you know, like, how impossible it would be that Homer would pay off his mortgage. Some examples would be in Homer versus Patty and Selma in season six.

He needs a loan from them just to pay his monthly bill to not default on that. In the episodes, you only move twice. They have to leave and without an abandon the house because they're not even close to paying off the mortgage. In Homer versus Dignity, Lindsay Nagel says they have several mortgages. and most recently in the computer war men's shoes, Homer is on his fifth mortgage.

So we're back down to the more believable one mortgage that does get paid off in this season. That's the American dream right there, guys. That's what the Simpsons are all about. I think you've just been stealing from work. Some of those plutonium rods maybe. Tell him to Doc Brown or whatever. Yes.

Yes, he finally did just sell it to somebody who was interested, an interested party off screen. We get some bits about how, you know, fancy buffets are. When I have been to a couple fancy Las Vegas buffets, I've had some crab legs and salmon at it and do avoid oatmeal, but I do like cheap, nice bread and fancy desserts. And I do waste. I'm not getting proper value back, I guess, on it. I've never been a big seafood and a buffet kind of guy. I don't know why maybe it's my Midwestern upbringing and I don't trust the longevity of seafood at semi-room temperature.

Yeah, it's usually like cold seafood or lukewarm seafood. meant to be served that way, but then you don't know how long it's been around. Just hanging out. I guess if there's like smoked salmon, like I'll have like smoke salmon on like a bagel. But I wouldn't just like pour it down my gullet. Does the brunch aspect in the earlierness of it mixing it with breakfast foods? Does that make the seafood more or less appealing? Like less, except for maybe the smoke.

I'm not going to eat shrimp for breakfast. I mean, I guess people eat shrimp and grit. So, you know, that's me showing my closed. mind. Despite being a southerner, I am not a Gritz guy. That's the one southern dish I don't really love. We got my cousin Vinnie over here. Henry, what about chicken feet? Well, you know, if you put that in front of me or Gator Tail, I'd probably have it before Grits, I think. Hoggels. Oh, okay. Is it a texture thing with Grits or the name? I think it's texture, really. It's just like, it's like too mealy. I don't know. I would just have oatmeal. It's like maybe as a kid,

I just always prefer it oatmeal more. It's like... What about tapioca? I like tapioca, actually. Okay. That's grown on me. We're figuring it out. They really stick it to these meat cutters, though.

Some stand-up comedian had some bit about this. They all have badges on, all the meat cutters because they have been trained. I like the Bart calls him by, like, first name and location. That's both great. That does feel kind of opulent to go up to the steak or turkey or ham or whatever and just be like, I want a little more, whatever. Like, you get to boss around a little bit. Do you, like, specify how thin you want your meat sliced?

I'm the, like, overly polite person where I'm like, oh, anything you give me is fine, sir. I'm more of a just point at like, okay, you've cut three already, that one, please. Like, that is more. Yeah. I'm not sure how opulent this element of the buffet is because as a kid, with friends, I would sometimes go to the old country buffet where the oldest, cheapest people ate, and they would have the meat cutter there.

I'm not sure if there was a badge involved, but there was a person there ready to serve you. Some very dry prime rib, I would bet. Yeah, not good. So after a little bit of Homer stuffing himself and Barts, both making a guy cut meat, he then also forces Lisa to eat meat in a very insensitive joke. But this then leads to like a little bit of, I don't know, sometimes I think like,

oh, Al Jean remembered an old episode and wanted to re-explore it. This tiny bit here reminds me of the season one episode, No Disgrace Like Home that Gene and Reese wrote, where they, on the commentary, I identify, This is an insane episode where Marge embarrasses Homer and Homer wants to fix the family. What a world. Topsy-turvy. Though Homer does get embarrassed and runs off here, though I think he's just looking for an excuse to go drinking.

I think so, yeah. And then we forget about brunch entirely. It's all about Mo's from this point forward. Now, if you pay off your mortgage, are you supposed to burn the contract afterwards? I would think not, right? Having never paid off a mortgage in my life. I guess in that era you did not have scam. of your own mortgage. It wasn't as easy to do.

I'm not even up to mortgage yet, guys. I'm still a renter, so I don't know. I'm clear. We get a little bit of Quimby's illegitimate children and secret family. The second such in this airing season, in the previous ones, Quimby just had illegitimate children with multiple women, at least five. This one seems to show he's putting in the work on one of his secret families. Yeah, secret families, yeah. Are secret families big where you guys are from? You know, I live in Brooklyn and my wife has friends from Brooklyn and Staten Island. And not a more than zero amount have parents who had secret families. Oh, well, I can say, I don't want to brag here. My dad had one. And I think we don't have secret families anymore because people have smartphones. You just have

some way to kill the time that does not involve betraying your family and your children. I feel like it's just so much work. It seemed like it. When I look back at it, I'm like, how do you put in the time? I mean, that story that came up recently about the oldie time comedian, Jackie Vernon, who's famous is Frosty, the Snowman. Like his son just talked about how he had at least like three secret families. But he's like a traveling comedian. That makes sense. He's going all around.

Absences can be explained. That makes sense. Yeah, I mean, I've never tried this, but I feel like with the secret family, the secret family needs to know what's up, but the core family cannot. So you don't have to keep so many webs of lies consistent. Unless what you get off on is the secrecy of it and keeping everyone in the dark. Secret family is in an easier age of getting good mortgages and cheaper home ownership. I feel like that too is probably why it's done.

I guess what I'm saying is Northeast Ohio in the 80s, it was a golden age for the secret family. That sounds like it was a secret family in the same town kind of thing too, which is... It was a secret family in the same apartment complex, and that's all I'll say. Wow. Yes. Brazen. Hey, he had guts. Yeah.

Can't fault him for that. So we have Quimby and Mark. embarrasses Homer and then he storms off. Easy. That's an easy opening. Yeah. I like they get straight to Moes. They don't need to spend too much time on the brunch stuff. And Moes is quite dank.

We start with a dank moz where everybody has their bright eyes in the dark waiting for a joke that will make things brighten up. I guess Homer complaining about his family, you could say that adds layers or starts the groundwork of Homer is going to, it's taking his family for granted. Let's say that's

actual plotting there. This is where we find how is Moes possibly still open when the health inspector comes in, who seemingly is about to shut down Moes as he sees all the disgusting things. But then we see that Mo and him have been long time buddies. This is also like the third health inspector joke, though usually it's the health inspector joke in the show is actually I'm the health inspector. Like Homer's delivery of what are you, the health inspector. They did that before like Lisa said that and Lisa Sacks, for instance, in that flashback. And yeah, and not only do they know each other, other, but this guy was kind of Mo's

childhood bully? Or they're both severely abused children in equal about. Speaking of bad dads, they were part of a child fighting ring. Explains a lot about Mo. Like, I like this Mo backstory. So yes, why do we hear why Mo has never had

problems before with a health inspector and why it's about to end? When we were kids, a dad used to get drunk and make us fight each other. My pop would buy me a mold for every tooth of Moes I knocked That time you blinded me, he gave you a bike. That sure was a good sounding bike.

Well, now to give this place a thorough inspection. Free from infestation, check. Sanitary utensils, check. Food hygienically stored. Only one way to find out. Oh, oh, my God. Oh my God, he's dead. Okay, which one of you guys parked in front of the hydrant?

Look, I didn't see nothing here, okay? There's a bunch of innocent guys sitting around. None of them dead. Buy yourselves a nice dinner. It's funny that Wiggum does come back in the third act and does not really reflect upon the situation at all. No. It's great that Wigham acts like a regular guy who stumbled upon a dead body,

not a policeman. And he throws money at them, right? Yes. Selman admits on the commentary something we've known for a while, is that Mo allows them to go to the darkest places they pretty much can in the show. And they really revel in it. And you're seeing that all over the place in this episode. Yeah.

Though an on-screen death, well, you know what? Actually, in the last one we covered with you, Stuart, when actually it was even worse. It was an on-screen suicide. This is an accidental death here. Yeah. And then there's a second on-screen death with that poor man on the log ride later. That's right. Oh, and you know what?

His wife seems dead, too. You say this was an accident. I don't know. That health inspector probably can tell by sight that that egg is going to kill him. Yeah, that's great that he can see how disgusting Moses, but then he's like, well, time to eat an egg. Like he should maybe have seen that coming, I think. Yeah, so this, you're probably both wondering, no, this is not how health inspections usually go in the food service industry, in New York City at least. Usually it's a person who barely acknowledges you as a employee or a proprietor.

and then they just start exploring and shining flashlights on things and jotting notes down and asking you questions. And what is the pickled egg situation like? Oh, in my places, we have a variety. We have... We luckily, the thing is that we do have food in all of our places. And just because if you have ice, ice is food. All of the food stuff that we have is like frozen and easily reheated. So the likelihood of there being any actual issues at the bar.

The biggest issue we have is that you're not supposed to let dogs in the... bar and we have a tendency to let people have dogs. If you're a health inspector listening to this podcast, ignore that I said that. Yeah, because I noticed that when I started drinking in my 20s, nobody had pickled eggs. It was considered the old man thing to do to carry those at a bar. But now,

as I'm entering my 40s and beyond, pickled eggs are more available than ever before. I think we are now re-embracing the pickled egg. I've never had a pickled egg. What's a pickled egg like? It's basically just a hard-boiled egg that's soaked in brine. So you get like the hard-boiled egg taste, but like a little spice of pickle in there too?

Okay. Does it come in a shell? No, they are all shelled for you. Oh, okay. Okay. It's so funny. I never had those pickled eggs, but put a pickled egg that was pickled in soy sauce in say, ramen. I'm eating like 10 of those if you put them in front of me. Yeah, yeah. You go to the ordering app and they're like, add an extra egg. Add 10 more extra eggs.

Somehow that's $30 worth of eggs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The bit too that Lenny was hiding a live rat in his mouth. That is a good horrifying joke, too. Yes. As is, that sure was a good sounding bike. What a great line about like being blinded, at least temporarily blinded as a child by Mo there.

Yeah. Homer loves those pickled eggs. He drinks that Brian even. You know, he's lived through it. I think we can all agree that Homer's digestion system is more hearty and robust than the average person. Mo also does not seem that broken up about the death of one of his childhood friends, who he's known his entire life. I got to say.

I mean, he's probably jealous. Oh, that's true. He's eating those eggs all the time, hoping to not wake up, and it's never happened to him. So, yes, it's the next day, or actually, it's a week later, as a joke tells us, the new inspector shows up.

He's not funny or a friend. He is merely just noting all the disgusting things there, including the chicken skin in the soap dispenser, floating cigarette butts, which... So this is something I've never quite understood. Does Moes have a kitchen? Because it does sometimes, but I never see other employees.

And Mo couldn't do everything. A friend of the show, The Real Jims, just put out a YouTube video about Mo's bar and just how the space remains consistent. But there's a spot behind where the bar is, like a room that always changes in size and in what it's used for. And even when they refit the bar to be a British pub, the interior size stays the same. Yeah. I would guess when they remodel the bar. later, he cleans out the back room that's usually used for storing stolen pandas or, you know, Russian roulette games and makes that into the kitchen.

That's what I'm assuming. Yeah, because with the family feedback episode, he needed enough room to have a deep friar that was once on a battleship. That's true. And I'm looking at the, I took some pictures of Moes because they do a little walkthrough when the health inspector's there. And it doesn't look like he has a like a trisink for washing glass. He just has like, it just looks like a lot of shelving with wet rags and bus tubs filled with dirty dishes and I'm assuming bugs. And like a few bottles here and there, some of which are tipped on their side. It doesn't seem like an efficient system.

I think the rag gets everything done for him. Oh, this dish rag is so powerful. Yeah. Stuart, at yours, do you have those cool, like, poses you put the, like, pint glasses on to just, like, wash the inside of me. Those things are cool. We don't. We don't have like the little rinse next to the taps. I feel like that's the sort of thing that I'm like, I would like one of those, but it feels like an unnecessary expenditure. And when we open our bars, we keep them nice and lean. But not only does he only have a single tap. And I'm assuming, I don't know if the tap seems to go to like a jockey box underneath that I guess maybe that's where the beer is. I don't know. But he doesn't even have like a drip tray or anything. So that thing. just leaking directly onto the bar, which seems that's a mistake. Also, we know from previous jokes that, well, sometimes he just never touches the bottles

behind him and they're just very dusty. Other times, it's a wall with it painted on. It doesn't actually have any alcohol on it. Yeah. Depending on the needs of a joke. Well, also, he seems to, in the week after his friend died, he actually let the place get even filthier. Like, it wasn't that dirty when, well, actually, it was, but it's 10 times dirtier when the

I mean, it makes sense. He didn't want to see that dead body that's still there. Yes. That's who he's waiting to throw out on trash day. He's, again, not very broken up, old, old Mo by this. Which, it has been a week. So at least one trash day is past, right? It's a bad excuse.

Yeah. Then I think Mo is, he's got plans with that corpse then, I guess. Not implying anything here. I'm just like, well, he's keeping it for some reason. Also, roof toilets. Not in any of your bars, Stuart. I mean, now I kind of want to put one in there. that's like one of those like open-air toilets like what richard branson has on his private island

richard branson you know uh you might have read about him in the abstein house he apparently has on one of his private islands he has a bathroom that's just like a toilet just out on the beach overlooking like the ocean and i feel like i couldn't go like i'd get stressed out that like a bug was going to bite me or something you have to be a supreme pervert yes i guess you do yeah i'm sure that's the only weird thing that happens on that private island. Yeah, probably. Yeah.

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Once more, that's at patreon.com slash talking simpsons. Yes, this is where Moe, he even has a system of climbing up the ladder with the toilet paper in his mouth. But he learns that the remodeling will cost more than he can. afford, which this is kind of similar to why that just gets entirely dropped. But in the three-eyed fish episode where Burns runs for governor, he's told fixing the plant would cost more than he could afford then, too. In his case, he just runs for public office. Yeah. But here we get a funeral for the tavern where we get to see people who are not regulars, but seemingly do love Moes like Jasper, Nelson Mons, Nick Riviera, Dr. Nick Riviera, Dr. Nick Riviera, and Jimmy the

scumbag. All fans of Moes. Surly is there? I think just as a representative of Duff, he has to attend the funeral of any bar. I would think of the seven Duffs would have been more appropriate, but I guess we all grieve in our own ways. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, this episode has a lot of callbacks, by the way. We have Sirley, we go to Itchy and Scratchy Landlater.

Is Sirly Duff Man? Oh, well, there's also Duffman. Duffman who is wearing black formal duff like leotard, which I kind of like that they had one of this. And that his sad pelvic thrusts are also great. Well, also a callback. Barney

sings Danny Boy, which is how he got to be part of the B. Sharp's because he's so good at singing. It looks like Barney sobered up, though, between the two scenes we've seen him in, I guess because Moes is shut down. He's on one of his sober week. Hair slick back. Oh, and also a actual leprechaun is there, too, as part of the mortars. With the bar shut down. I do like the decidedly Irish bent for Moe's funeral or wake, which I feel like Moe Sizzlack isn't an Irish name, right? I guess it's like a very Polish name, I think. Yeah, I would. dimension. Given that we have a guest in the show named Eric Siska, and his background is Polish.

Cisca, Syslak. Yeah, yeah. Not too different. Both hard to spell, although I think Henry and I have mastered spelling Cisca by now. It took his fourth appearance for me to finally get Y before Z, I think, unless I'm getting that wrong now, as I say it. Season 6 is where Mo gets that last name, only created so he could be a proper suspect in who shot Mr. Byrne. So his initials would be M&S, which would fit with the clues that were peppered in the episode.

This is where the rest of the guys abandoned Moes for the League of Extra Horny Gentlemen. Good joke. Whoever wrote this assumed the movie would be remembered, I think. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think Alan Moore wrote this joke. Yes, yeah. Future Simpsons guest, Alan Moore. Yes.

I've got my omnibus right here. The dream. The dream guest is Alan Moore. That looks like an uncomfortable read, Henry. This is more for just perusal. I read in smaller version. This is hardly as heavy as, say, the berserk hard covers that are over there. Those are among the heavy. Actually, no, the heaviest is, was a gift for my husband, so I didn't spend a ridiculous amount of money on this.

But the Tashin collection of the first two years of the Dick Coenley Spider-Man, like a three-foot, at least two-foot-tall volume. I think you need to invest in a lectern. Or an assistant to carry it around for you. You know, I have a Simpsons arcade machine replica. That could also double as lectern. You know, it's similar. And you know what? They're playing a period-appropriate.

2001 song, Kylie Minoaks. Can't get you out of my head, though I can confirm. You still hear that in gay functions to this very day. It's a timeless classic of gay bars. And you know what, Homer's fears were mine to in 2005. Like, you got to find Barronites. That's my suggestion to you if you feel too fat to go to the gay bars. Yeah, so send a letter to Homer circa this episode and let him know that.

Later in the show, in season 22, Mo will remodel the bar into a gay bar in the episode Flaming Moes. That's another future remodel of the many Bob mentioned that are coming up in the show. I do like how many the gay bar representation in Springfield, though, I feel like there's always one, at least. And it's right across the street from Moes instead of in the Gaborhood that we saw in a previous Simpson's episode. But they don't have fire exits.

Always dangerous. This is where Homer decides he's going to help out Mo. And he heads over to BS, the first bank of Springfield, which I don't know if that's a joke or not. I don't know if that's... I think it is. It's a very low effort, vulgar joke, but it still is a joke. We see a sign that says vault holds less than $20. I don't know if you guys have seen this lately.

When I've gone to the pharmacy lately, I use the Safeway Pharmacy. It's the closest one. But they have a sign-up that's like, we have a time-delayed safe. Like that these signs up that are apparently because there are increased robberies of oxy-cotton and similar oxy drugs. So that's why that's, have you guys noticed these? I think they've been around for a bit, but maybe they're just increasing in frequency. I mean, everything is getting better.

I generally find that my experience going to most pharmacies are just that there's far fewer employees and everything is locked up. And I'm like, at this point, shouldn't we just be talking to, like, Uncar plot asking for meds or whatever? Honestly, it feels mom and pop-ish to go to a Safeway one now when, like, Amazon is trying to be your pharmacy soon enough. Great. Well, like Bob says, everything's getting better. That's why. Yeah, I haven't been watching the news in the last 20 years. Is anything contradict that statement? As far as I know, no.

So this is where Homer makes a big decision in our next clip. Mr. Simpson, for alone this big, you'll have to put up your house as collateral. Put up my house? But I just paid it off. What would March say? Do whatever you have to do to save Mo's. I love my homie. Okay, honey, I'll do it.

What's going on here? Nothing, nothing. Thanks, Homer. No one's ever trusted me before. Except for that one guy who shouldn't have. That was me. Oh, yeah. I'm assuming that's him referring to the plan that got Homer put in jail to steal his car.

I think there are many instances. Although, I want to say I love any joke that innovates within the realm of the thought bubble or the fantasy sequence. And this is a new idea, at least the first time I had seen something like this, where someone is masquerading as another character within a thought bubble. And then the real character comes in to blow the ruse. Homer's like, you got it, honey. like he's entirely fooled by his own brain unless Mo has telepathic

abilities which we're not seeing on screen here. It could go either way. Yeah, yeah. Well, we can see how far we've come because in season two, Homer wants to buy the expensive sneakers and he imagines what Flanders would do and he says, Simpson, I order you to buy those

shoes. So it's gone from making up something someone would say to like someone disguise of that person entering your thought bubble. We've come a long way in 14 years. Yeah. I guess talk about inflation in the stories too. Like, in that season 2-1, Homer, like, he needed that convincing to spend $100 on shoes when this is seemingly $120,000 that Homer is handing over to Mo here in cash.

$120,000 is a fair amount for a remodel, especially a remodel that is mainly cleaning. I mean, I guess having to place a bathroom and ground level would be expensive, but I feel like it shouldn't cost $120,000. Mars. Well, I think Mo is skimming, clearly. Oh, yeah, yeah. That explains his outfits later in the show. Yes. I mean, it is frustrating as a nerd who doesn't need to care about these things, but he's already spending all this stuff on this remodel, and then he's going to trash the entire building in like two minutes in the episode. It's frustrating if you care about reality too much. I do love Marge's reaction of saying, like, those cuckoo birds at the bank goofed up, a great Margeism. This is where

It's revealed that what's really going on, and Marge can't take it. You got a new mortgage? I had to. Our Moes would stay closed forever. You gave the money to Mo? How's he going to pay us back? Look, look, I can see you're upset. If you need me, I'll be at Mo's.

Well, maybe I'll go to Moes, too, seeing as I'm now part owner. Mars, you can't go with me to Moes. I mean, how would you like it if I came with you to your mothers? I would like it. You never come to my mother's. That's because I hate her. Hmm. Until you pay us back, you're answering to me,

and there's going to be big changes. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Now wait just a minute. One thing Mo Sislek has never had is a partner, nor a wife, a friend, a chum, a casual acquaintance, a pen pal, a parrot, a meaningful conversation, a brief hug or eye contact. I'm just going to call the suicide hotline now.

And they've blocked my number. Oh, God. I do like that this is another instance of a Homer Simpson scheme backfiring and Marge taking the thing that he thought he was going to be enjoying. Like the bowling ball. That's a great point. Actually, this structurally does follow that bowling ball one a lot here. The bowling ball is Mo's, and it is an affair, except an emotional one, as we learned so much. I don't think they've ever done the Mo and Marge character pairing as the,

the basis for an episode at this point. So that's a new dynamic. At times he forgets her names, at times he wants to marry her, but now he's solidly in the latter camp, I guess. Yeah. In The Secrets of the Successful Marriage, it's a fun mix where he still thinks her name is Midge, but does want to date her and tries with the bouquet of posies. He makes his move then, but this list is, I love this list.

I love that he's like a pair of me. When he says eye contact, he then looks to Marge and Marge can't make eye contact, with him. That's what pushes him over the edge there. That's so great. It's been a while since I've said something reminds me of a Dana Gould pitch, but Homer's reply of like, that's because I hate her. That feels like a Dana Gould pitch to me. And they were really digging into the suicide hotline jokes. We had a really dark one earlier in the season, maybe late season 15, where Homer's very despondent. He sees an ad for a suicide hotline. He goes, that's the answer, suicide. Right. Oh, that's a good joke. Yeah, that's, uh, that also has Dana Gold written all over it, though. The Marge also, this is the first time Marge has ever learned that Homer hates his mother. He seems kind of indifferent about his mother. Obviously, he hates Piedin Selma, but he has so few interactions with his mother, yeah, with Jacqueline Bouvier, there.

I remember the name. They say it's a little. And I do love that moment where when he says, visit your mother, because there is a moment that me, the viewer's like, what is he going to suggest, like, what does he think March does for fun. And Bob, do you think a parrot would fix Mo's problems? No, I think it would be frustrating for Mo because it would just echo back all of his grumbles and self-loathing. Well, I also don't think Mo can be trusted to keep an animal alive.

That too. Yeah. Yeah. So we start the next act. Homer spends 10 seconds at work. And a good joke about it seeming like he is rushing to get to work before the start of the day, but actually he clocks in right before it ends. immediately goes to Moes where he is like desperate for a beer, which I think is a good joke because it comes off as like, oh, it's been a hard day, not that he's an alcoholic. It's funny to overly explain the joke to listeners. Yeah. But unfortunately, Marge is already there, already behind the bar, which is impressive. Yeah, though she should be wearing, I don't know, gloves or something here.

Sure, hip waiters. Yeah, I'm sad that we leave the bar because I feel like there could have been something in here about Marge being very good at bartending because she has such a good. homemaker, the skills would naturally translate for her. This episode is so uninterested in like interiority of margin this or like, why does she like eventually come to like running a business? You know, like, why is the episode not interested in that? I wish they had time for that instead of just jokes about cuckoldry, filling up all of the third act.

But this is where Homer also has a bit of meta-commentary on his own character. Once again, proving that 2005 or four, when this was written, the writers were definitely on The Simpsons forums. Boy, I can't wait to get my lips around an ice cold. March? I'm here protecting our investment. I'd like you to go home

and make dinner for the kids. Well, I don't want to take care of the kids. How many cigars are they allowed to have? Bart sleeps in the microwave, right? Quit playing dumb. How many magic beans should I sell the baby for? Three? Da, that's me.

jerk ass homer. Yeah, come on, go home. We've talked about jerkass Homer a bit on here, haven't we? I think it's been a while. This is the first time this show has actually used it,

and this was a term that was coined by online fans of the Simpsons to indicate a time in which Homer's character was pushed too far. And I guess that moment was in the episode The Joy of Sect, which is when Homer says, out of my way, jerkass, about three or four times

throughout the course of that episode. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess it's snake eating its own tail. I think we've remarked that the Scully years probably was the height of it. Though, Merkin, on the history of it, like David Merkin makes Homer insane and a crazy person who can do anything. And then Oakley and Weinstein and their years of seven and eight tried to tamp it down some. Then Scully brings it back with an even meaner edge, I would say, in a post-South Park world. And I think Gene is trying to address it.

But I will say, if you're going to do an episode, where you point out jerkass Homer, like you're listening to complaints. Homer should not do some really stupid shit that he does later in this episode. If you're going to say like, oh, we know about jerkass. We're not doing it anymore. He does some Peter Griffin level stupid things in this episode. That is true. Yeah, I guess we don't really believe there was like one moment where it happened,

but I feel like they have to keep pushing the character in order to show you new things. So naturally he will do nastier things. He'll go to lower lows over the course of the history of a show that's been running for nearly 40 years. It's inevitable. Yeah, becoming more and more. of a caricature more and more extreme. As the viewer's tastes become, you know, desensitized, and they need greater acts of stimulation to enjoy Homer.

Though on our charity podcast listeners, you got to check out where we cover The Simpsons guy, check it in our shop. That I really have trouble thinking of a lower low than Homer putting a gas hose up his butt and giving himself gasoline in his anus. Well, I guess we don't see it, but in this episode we do watch him kill a man.

Yeah. Involuntary manslaughter, you know, at its worst, but still. Yeah, I mean, I'd say that's bad that would label him a jerk ass. Homer then has shown the door for trying to pretend he's too bad at parenting to do parenting. A move done by many a father over the years, I'm sure. It's what, weaponized incompetence? Is that the term there? This is where we get the opening clip of March trying to make any change to it that Mo resists by, you know, explaining he has miserable patrons. like the soon to be, well, not soon to be. He'll die.

He'll die 20 years after this episode airs, but Larry the Barfly is there next to his friend, Sam. 20 years not bad with a lifestyle he's living in 2005. Yeah. COVID got him. He refused to get the booster, unfortunately. He was radicalized. 5G, yeah.

I don't remember Sam, the Barfly, getting even any lines in that Larry the Barfly death episode. No, I don't think so. He's still with us. He's the guy with the hat, by the way. He was too emotionally perclumped. he couldn't make an appearance So this is where Marge

decides she needs to set it up with something I apparently came in late in the rewrite Which anytime a song comes in I remember the tip for Mike Reese's Simpson legend Mike Reese's memoir That he says Anytime you can add a song to the script It's welcome because it's two to three pages

That you will not need to rewrite Because it's a whole song And you can just skip right over it In the lengthy rewrite session I always enjoy a song I feel like this is not one of their best It feels like very improvised and then it just kind of ends abruptly.

And this is featured, though. It's called Welcome to Moes. It is featured on the last released Simpsons album, Testify. That was the last album which collected all of the made-for-the-show music. So it's been nearly 20 years since we've had one of those. And there's been a lot more songs since then. Yeah, we're due. Can it at least be released digitally?

Or you know what? No, they put it out on like record store day. They'll make some good money. Yeah, yeah, you want physical media for something like that. though Disney hates physical media are making profit off of it they're just not interested in it are they in the vinyl market yet

they have to be oh boy only if the vinyl is rented from Disney and they own it and you can only rent it they do license like Disney doesn't make their blu-rays anymore Sony makes the blu-rays for them like they've given that business over to Sony for example the song

Welcome to Mo's our editor can drop it in right here look I like most the way it is alright and I ain't changing it for any dame skirt Susie Q or face-masers I had a feeling you'd say that. So I prepared something that might help you change your tune. This place is a diamond, but it's strapped in the roof. Yeah, well, the sign still says, Mo, so enough of your guff.

Here's my new idea. To sell both beer and grub, we will turn this filthy dive into a proper old-time British pub. A British war? Garts and meat pies and lager in pint glasses. What a classy way to get drunk off your asses. Hey, hold the full. An English pub. That just might work.

In song. Oh, my fuck could be British instead of on pittish. So why don't we all... Ah, screw it. Let's get renovating. Well, I was thinking more like drapes and a paint job. But your idea is good, too. Thanks.

I like that Mo fails at it. Or, well, you know what he gives up? And too soon, because rhyming British with arm pittish, I think that's good for instantly improv. I give credit to Mo for that. Yeah, a clever enough rhyme. Consider he most likely has no improv training. He's no Wayne Brady with this song here. And Lenny and Carl invested in costumes for this, for their cost.

Yeah. Part of this. Also, I love Moe's reaction of a British, wah! And Mo proudly displays newspaper clippings of a triple murder at his bar. It's good. Yeah. Do you decorate with any reviews on your walls, stewards? No, I think the closest thing we come is our bar hinterlands.

We got a angry letter from a neighbor before we were open while we were still building out. And it was this angry handwritten letter in red ink where the writer was complaining that they are a concerned neighbor who is upset with us naming our bar hinterlands because, they claimed it was some kind of gentrification terminology and that we are not like pioneers or colonists finding lost lands or something. And I think they were spurred on by the success of a similar grassroots campaign of a different named establishment. But we proudly keep that in a frame behind the bar because it's very funny to us that like, this person seems like they have too much time on their hands and also would not be a fun patron.

So is it right next to your first dollar? I mean, it's right above. The first dollar is 20s at this point. Yeah. There's been first dollar inflation. I guess as a businessman, Stuart, what do you think of Marge's pitch? If she came to you with this English-style pub, what would you think of it? I mean, again, part of the concern is the food.

But I guess if you can find a distributor who makes you the meat pies and you can just keep them frozen and heat them up in a, convection oven. I think that's fine. I think they can handle that. But I don't know if, I mean, maybe at the time that like an English pub would have seemed classy, I don't, I mean, I don't know. It doesn't, it seems they only have one draft line. I don't quite see what the plan is there. Yeah, it doesn't really read as classy to me. It's just like kind of a fun alternative to a different kind of bar, but it doesn't read as like, oh, put on your Sunday best, we're going to the English pub. Yes. So, yeah, it's like a German beer hall. Like, you'll do big numbers with people doing like Tinder dates or something,

like first dates, that's about it. Were British-style pubs in America getting hot in the early aughts? I don't remember. Now, look, there are many, many pubs called the Pig and Whistle out there. But I do think that this is partially inspired by the almost 100-year-old Hollywood English-style pub called the Pig and Whistle that the exterior looks kind of similar here. What's the name they go with? Oh, the nag and weasel. Nag and weasel.

A very unflattering caricature of Marge as the nag. But the Moe caricature is pretty good. He's not far from being an actual weasel in design. Where the Pig and Whistle name comes from, the Times UK, which I trust their reportage on this, they had an article that said there's a few ancient oldy time reasons for the pun name. One of them they think is that pig used to be a common name for an earthenware pot that used to store ale. and Whistle might be referring to Waseil, the British drink that we all know from Christmas Carols.

Now, I think this could be apocryphal, but I think the term pickybank comes also from the material that was once made out of, the earthen clay. So it was a little pun. Wow, we're learning all kinds of stuff here tonight, guys. We're raising the price of this podcast. Yeah, file under Educational. I can't remember too many UK-style pubs I've been to, haven't been to the United Kingdom either. The most I can remember is I went to one a couple times in Japan, in Tokyo, like friends wanted to meet there. And the interesting thing, it was such a weird culture shock because I'm an American in Tokyo.

And then my friends want to meet at this pub. And it's like during the World Cup of rugby. And so in there, it's all like UK expats and Irish expats in there. So I'm like an American surrounded by United Kingdom people. but just outside the door is Tokyo. It was a real mind fun. You were double foreign. Yeah, yeah, the culture shock is real.

You step outside and you step back in and you just go nuts. Yeah, I find that, you know, New York has a couple of really good Irish pubs, but my experiences with English pubs, especially in England, have not been particularly positive, specifically in London, at least, that the service industry, I'm so used to the bar culture of New York. I was very much let down by the service industry. in London. And I think part of it is that the vast majority of people who work there are like

young people who are just like doing a first job as opposed to, you know, a bartender in New York can make a very comfortable living, even, you know, well past your early 20s because it's, you know, that's just the way the world, you know, the way it works and the way the pay works. How warm were the beers you had there? Honestly, the last time I was in England, I wasn't even drinking very much beer. I was drinking a lot of gin. And I do remember being in a pub and being like, well, I love my favorite cocktail is a ngroni. And I'm like, I'm in England, you know, the home of gin. So I'm in a pub and I'm like, hey, can I get a ngroni? And the kid like shakes his head. And I'm like, well, I see gin right there. And I see Kampari right there. And then over there I see sweet

removed. Just put equal parts in a glass with ice. Kid just shakes his head and will not do it. And I'm nice. You're nice. They've really upscaled the clientele here, seeing a lot of the best and brightest of Springfield going to this. You see, Isabella Rosalini's Astridor character on a date with Drederick Tatum, or maybe they're just theirs friends. I'm assuming day. Well, Lindsay Nagel is hobnobbing with Judge Snyder. Yes.

I feel like this is the only time we've ever seen a date with Judge Snyder in the show. I don't think we've ever seen it. I'm glad he found some love, you know. Well, was he wearing his judge robes? this scene? No. That would have been good. Okay. I think everybody is like dressed up like they're cosplaying. They're like British people in the 60s. It's like, Nagle's wearing like an Angola sweaters or whatever. I don't know sweaters, but like, you know, the kind that a Bond girl would have been wearing. Oh, Angora, like the rabbit fur. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. But he does have his

gavel. He does have that. That's the one item he kept. But then it summons March. Yeah. Isn't it just weird to see him like making out? Like it's just, I don't know. It feels it's like, it made me feel more uncomfortable. than I expected to feel. But I guess these 20 seconds are the only time we spend in the remodeled bar. Yeah.

It's so brief. It could have been longer. There's a deleted scene in here that also on the date, though they don't speak, it was a double date of Lindsay Nagel was on the date with Judge Snyder,

and sitting next to them, though they don't speak in this scene, is blue-haired lawyer with Cookie Kwan. So it's a double date. Though it just made me think about it like, wait, blue-haired lawyer, I feel like I have never seen him on a date with anybody.

And him being based on Roy Cohn, it also made me go like, why has there never been like a gay joke with him like they do with Smithers? When the judge goes to pay, he hands a credit card. This is the first time Moes encountered a credit card. He, like, uses a knucklebuster, like old-timey credit card imprint machine. And I haven't used one of those. And, well, I guess since like 2002, maybe. The last time I had my hands on one was 2008 when I worked at five-star

video in Berkeley, California, because it was an old mom and pop-style place, and to make an account, we had to take an imprint of your credit cards. That was our security purposes if you were to steep from us or not return anything. In this deleted scene, Lindsay Nagel had more to say about this pub. Oh, you know, this faux British pub has all the charm of a faux British pub I once visited at O'Hare Airport. I've never felt so marketed to. I like it. I've never felt so marketed to. Yeah, very John Taffer situation. Well, Henry, we don't get a blue-haired lawyer gay joke. We get a gay joke with this Mr. Boswell, who is returning after many, many years.

He made his, I think, first and only appearance in a street car named Marge. He is one of the panelists who Bart calls a bitch. Yes. He attacks Goldie Hawn selling her the cheerleading tryouts for years ago. I had to look this. My ears heard Mr. Blackwell the first time because they actually did have the real, well, not the real guy. But they named him the real guy. in I Am Furious Yellow when they did a joke with him.

Yeah. Yeah, this is Boswell, the parody of Blackwell. Blackwell died in 2008, and if you're not old, you might not know that Mr. Blackwell was a very catty fashion critic. That's the type of jobs that, like, social media ruined. We can all just be Mr. Blackwell now. What do we need a Mr. Blackwell for? Not a fan of this world we're living in where you can't just be a professional.

That job's just gone away. I guess that's any old fool with an Instagram account can be that character. You know what? I guess we, just like, how our games press jobs disappeared because of social media. Mr. Blackwell's career, that was like the canary in the coal mine for us there. You should have seen it coming. Yeah.

But this is where the bar is doing so well instantly. I have to think off-screen, Marge taught Moe how to not be disgusting and to make food that doesn't kill people and that actually tastes good. See, actually, I'm talking my way into what could have been a good joke here. Say that you make British food that it all tastes terrible anyway, so nobody will know that you did it wrong. Like there, boom. There's a joke. Perfect. Yep. Don't need to worry about seasoning anything. But this is where Kent Brockman has a special report.

So, Mr. Boswell, what do you think of the new Moes? Mudge Simpson and Mosis is like his a mash note, Theabangers. I wish you could live in me forever. Thanks, Freakazoid. I'd just like to say that there's one person to whom I really owe my newfound success. Marge Simpson. Thanks, Ma. Dad, Mom's spending more time at Moes than you are.

And they seem awfully chummy. Just what are you inferring? I'm not infering anything. You infer, I imply. Woo! That's a relief. That's a good writery joke. You infer, I imply.

Al Jee makes a good point on the commentary that if his eight-year-old daughter told him that she's suspicious of your wife is cheating on you, that would really mess you up, I feel. Though here we see, I guess the love blossoms for a mo side. when Marge touches him. That was like she puts his hand on his shoulder in a friendly way. That is physical contact, which obviously changes Mo's mind entirely, I think. We're going down that checklist of things that Mo has not experienced yet. She's opening up whole new vistas of life for him. They've gone beyond eye contact.

Yeah. Do you think Mo from the beginning is like, okay, I am in love with Marge and I'm going to get her to leave Homer? Do you think he's thinking that from day one here? Or do you think it comes in later? I think it develops over time. March has a real work husband situation on her hands. Yeah, that's what people call it now, workwife, work husband stuff, right? That's what my podcast co-host is saved in my phone ass.

I think it's a dangerous first step. Yeah. Uh-oh. I mean, this emotional affair stuff, I feel like around this time when they wrote this episode was when I would start hearing about it, read about it in newspaper articles or magazines and stuff. When I went to the Wikipedia page for this, it had been talked about many years before this, and there's many other names for it. One interesting thing I noticed in the Wikipedia, they cited, they had one source that pointed out in a early aughts survey that identified, like, people who say that they have emotional affairs with people they're close to, but nothing physical. The Wikipedia inferred that, like, well, some of these people could just be lying, and that's what's overrepresenting it.

And they are having physical affairs, but they just say, oh, but it's nothing physical. It's just emotional as they are. So people aren't thinking about lying when it comes to the stance on me. So they're like, my brain is having an emotional affair. My genitals, on the other hand. Well, you didn't ask me about those. Though, again, I have to say, like, Homer should not, Mo is disgusting.

He should in no way feel threatened by Moe at any point. In this next scene, Marge says, oh, I used to think Moe is a scabby, dead-eyed hunchback. Those elements really haven't changed, but Marge thinks he's a better person. still like hideous appalling creature. He's able to give Marge something that Homer can't give, which is a feeling of excitement and utility and professionalism. It seems like Moe actually listens to her as well, which is surprising for the Moe we know. They're teaching each other skills.

And also, Homer probably understands the way that, you know, there's whole subredits dedicated to women being horny for Walton Goggins character in Fallout who doesn't even have a nose. So I feel like there's a world out there for people who are horny for Mo's is rather ghoul-like. Yes. He has a pig nose instead of a cavity. Yeah, which is not unlike a cavity in some ways. You know, I also like the cute barge design of her hair up, which is gone in like a minute once they abandon the pub story. Yeah, not that long ago I saw, I was in a, you know, hotel room and there was an episode of The Simpsons on. And it was the episode where they are stealing from the local casino.

I don't know which season that's from. It's like a heist episode. They're like stealing from the local casino to pay for the church or something. And there were some episodes, there were some scenes where Marge had her hair down. And as always, I'm like, wow, okay, yes, you should do that more often. Yes, Omer gets the bums rush. That's one of the moments, as Marge shows it off her technique, that's one of those moments where it's like, oh, this feels like a David Silvermanie kind of like, guys, try it this way.

It's like Homer is a little more cartoony when he smashes into the wall. Just like it was a little more cartoony when the guy dies, all of his weird faces as he after eats the egg, feels like more of the Silverman touch to me. Yeah, this is a well-done scene, Marge using her ropey muscles. Yes. I do love the way that it captures that feeling because she gets home at 4 a.m. And I remember as a young baby bartender, the first couple times I'd come home at 4 a.m. And still be like amped from like, oh, I worked and all this stuff happened.

and now I'm like kind of drunk and then I you know throw my wife out the door to demonstrate my how to throw a regular out maneuver. Have you been trained in Detroit style yet? No, unfortunately. My style is pretty simple. It involves using my body to block people. And if it's a person who isn't just like usually it's like a little guy who I could just kind of like, you know, manhandle out of there and just make it boring for them. But if it's like a big scary guy, I usually make the woman I'm bartending with handle it. Because they're way tougher than I am. Pretty face, you know.

Never bartended, but see maybe like five people thrown out of bars in my life. And it never came to the bum's rush. It was always like, we're going to call the cops. And then they back down usually while screaming something as they're leaving. And then everybody in the bar cheers when they exit the bar. I mean, I've definitely had to physically remove people before. The thing is that oftentimes if a guy is drunk and wants a fight, a Stuart Wellington, who is a tall, sarcastic-sounding, handsome guy,

is like the number one person he wants to fight. I want to fight you right now. Thank you. I assumed with this Bums Rush thing, it's so old-timey that I had assumed it was like, this is for somebody who is like pass-out drunk and it's just going to be a limp person you toss out as opposed to one who has the power to stand and have a fight. Yeah. Again, I've never had to bums rush somebody. I have had to help a passed out guy with the aid of the police to remove himself from the bar before.

he peed himself, which he luckily did outside. Yeah, I think a lot more people were thrown out of bars literally because there's so many scenes in old movies and cartoons where that happens. I recently saw It's a Wonderful Life again over the holidays. George Bailey and his angel pal, they literally get tossed out into the snow. Yeah. It shows you that the bar has gotten much rougher in the new universe and the new timeline. Nick's been working out. Yeah, he has.

Through the door, up the window. Anyway, this is where Margin Homer almost proved that they're still connected and that She just worked friends while they're marriage friends. A great line. Yeah. And then I love the animation, too, of once the phone rings, Marge just rolls off of Homer and like, boom, sexy time's over, just forgets all about it and wants to talk to Bo on the other line.

And as somebody who is married to a 24 hours a day business woman, I've been there, guys. I like, too, the way Homer, I have to say, it's a joke that he calls the bathroom standups and sit downs, but those are wonderfully general neutral names. I feel like we've now gotten rid of the stupid bathroom names that can often be confusing. And now wherever I go, there's usually a door that says, this room has urinals, this room does not go whichever one you feel comfortable in.

One of my bars has, I made the confusing decision early on. Instead of putting any words on there, I just have a picture of like a waterfall or like a stream running. So sometimes it makes people confused. Homer then just is stuck in a puckered motion, I chuckled at that. It's a good joke about how weird Homer looks or any Simpsonwood character would look with a puckered lips. It just doesn't look right on them.

He uses it to play a public domain song on the trombone, green sleeves. Not bad. Theme song in the Middle Ages. It would fit in in a pig and whistle style pub, wouldn't it? I think so. And you know, we come back from this break, and I think we spend more time in the movie theater than we do in the point of the episode, which is the British pub. They dump the British pub here and make room. That's why there's no emotional interiority in this episode.

They have to give a whole minute up to a lengthy parody. I did take a picture of the marquee because there's a lot of parody film titles. There's three fast, three furious, which I'm like, come on, guys. You know, it's going to be. Tokyo drift. Yeah, Tokyo drift. Thank you. Breast camp, which I'm like, I've probably seen that.

Dude, where's my prostate? Michael Eisner versus Michael Ovitz, which, Okay, who is this joke for? Well, it was for people who read the Disney War book like me. A whole like seven chapters are about the Michael Ovitz suing Michael Eisner. They were duking it out in the press around this time, right?

Yes, yeah, still was. Yes. We have Kill Bill Marr, which I'm like, hey, that still works. Ahead of its time. Explosion 2, again, not a bad name. Baby Cops 3, tired and cranky. Okay. And Disney's

stroller rental, the movie. That's a joke I am going to assign to Al Jean because he was a new father around that time and going to Disneyland a lot. So it's a thriller. That's what you're saying. Now, with Three Fast, Three Furious, that was the first one. They did not know how stupid those titles would eventually get because that's not stupid enough. They could not even dream of where it goes. I wonder how much of the recently announced Fast 11 will be AI smoothing and all the stuff that garbage that Vin Diesel seems very interested in.

He has been teasing that he's going to resurrect Paul Walker with AI. That was in recent interviews from him. I'm going to say that's a bad idea. Are you guys big Fast and Furious fans? Is that your franchise? I think I might have seen the first one. I never jumped in. Tanri,

I think you have seen all of these, right? I've seen all but Hobbs and Shaw. Oh, Hobbs and Shaw is not bad. It's the one that seems the most like just a Marvel movie, right? It is because basically Idrusel was like a superhero villain, or a super villain, I guess, What are you? My favorite thing about it is that it's a movie where the idea is there's a flashback where Jason Statham's character, who is Shaw, that there's a sequence where you see him as a little kid with his sister and they're about the same age. But then when they're grown up, his little sister is played by Vanessa Kirby. And I'm like, they're like 20 years age different. And the mother would be Helen Meery and right, who I, no offense to her, you know, age, but I could she be. like biologically could she be the mother of Vanessa Kirby like I don't I don't think so I'm sure

somebody's drawn some TV and art showing it but yeah so I would say that one's all right I would say if you're going to watch one Fast and Furious movie I would say Fast 5 is the best probably they've been chasing fast 5 since fast 5 like everyone after is like they oh we'll top it with fast 5 it's I 10 was I even did enjoy 9 10 was where I was seeing in theater I think I do feel like it's gone too far now. Like nobody dies. Everything is just too fake looking. It's where they go to space, right? Yeah, it also has

like, well, spoilers, but like three other characters undi too in the series. We're pretty clearly killed. I thought you were dead. I was. Every villain, no matter how many friends they kidnapped and shot in the face, become friends

eventually if they stay in the series. It's like Dragon Ball Z. Yes. I actually think that's kind of the model they're trying to work on. Eventually, it does become just like actor bloat in the movies. Like, Ten has to have like two dozen characters in it. It is like the Avengers as far as a cast goes. And the fact that it's not called Fast Ten, your seatbelts is crazy.

Oh, man, cowardly. If Justin Lin had stuck around, they'd have done it. I mean, I do think they lost Justin Lin, and it seems like Vin Diesel has gone from just being, you know, kind of a crazy mogul to full-on, like, super villainy evil. based on interviews lately, I'd say. But enough about that, Fast and Furious franchise. Let's talk about knocking DreamWorks films, huh?

Yeah, I feel like some former Simpsons writers probably punched these scripts up, these bad celebrity-focused Dreamworks movies of this era. Yeah, Ice Age, the Ice Age movies, Mike Reese was working on these around the same time, right? But those were Fox, not Dreamworks. We just did Shrek 2, Bob. So all these jokes were perfectly time for us

of what we just experienced. Yes, Patreon.com slash Talking Simpsons. want to hear us talk about truck two for frankly too long. Yes. Yeah. Stuart, in the flop house world, how much of you covered dream works in their CG films? Honestly, I think not that much. Usually if we're doing like a bad CG film, it's going to be even more bargain basement,

whether it's like Delgo or Duegons and leprechauns or of course food fight. Yeah. Yeah. Have you done Nomio and Juliet or the word those related films? No, no, I think we did Sherlock Nomes. I think the sequel Yeah It's all

Honestly it kind of all blurs together I like this in spirit Although I wish some of the jokes Are better Because that Eddie Murphy joke Is something they've already made fun of I think twice by this point And it happened

I think eight years before this episode aired Yes The incident they're referencing Yes with Shalamar Saluli Guys you can Google it But they've It's led to a number of insensitive jokes It was nice listening to the commentary

Al Jean is like sheepish about it. He's like that's about an old incident there. Like he realizes it's kind of an improper joke. I had to be reminded on the commentary that the timing of this also is sort of about cars in that it's called cards. It's a parody of cars in that respect. Like a world full of cards instead of cars. Would they have known about cars at this point? Oh, it would have been announced.

Okay. Yeah. It was delayed a lot. Oh, I wish it was the band. If Pixar made a movie about the cars, they would be awesome. Actually, hey, we did a whole podcast about cars as well, listeners. Look it up in the archives. There's no Rico Kasich music in that movie, though.

Oh, that's too bad. Instead, what, it's like a bunch of covers of old-timey, like Red State America. The Cheryl Crow singing every day is a winding road, I think. Right, yeah. Lives a Highway on there. Oh, that's in there. Oh, you better believe it. looking at the credits, I believe this was not done internally at Rough Draft.

I believe they hired the 3D artist Chad Cole. He's credited as a CGI artist with others supporting him. Chad Cole has done a lot of VFX and 3D work, and he would work on the Simpsons movie for a sub company called Forum. So maybe that's his personal side company, but obviously like RuffDraft was doing 3D animation for Futurama a little before this, but not as much character animation, so I can see why they went to an outsider for this.

So yeah, this digital animation looks terrible, but it looks like a very specific era of digital animation, so I kind of love it. Yeah, yeah. I miss this. It's pointed out in the commentary. I miss this as a viewer, but when the Jack Nicholson character is talking,

he's pulling his hair back like he's a Jack Nicholson impersonator. Yeah, yeah. That's right, yes. It's a very weird but funny, subtle physical joke, I like. And I give credit to whoever came up that they also identified that most of these movies, they say this one on the commentary, that most of the movies do have like,

here's the downtown seat of what it would look like if everything was cards or if it was a fairy tale land like we saw on Trick 2. But also, it does follow like the plot of so many of these movies of like Pixar movies because they're all about having a job or identity. It's like, I'm a three,

I want to be a seven. Like that seems to be a good comment on the stock plots of these movies. This is such a critic joke. Like this belongs in the critic. It's not unnatural in the Simpsons, but this is a critic joke. Yeah, I feel like there's no critics, so they need a space to put these jokes. Occasionally they'll fit within a Simpsons episode. Yeah, almost like if you make enough of these, you'll summon the critic from non-existence,

bring him back to life. Al Jean's trying. He's trying. Also, where when they did the Jack joke, the Jack joke, we've thought about this before, but like he is good friends, or at least was, and I would think still is good friends with James L. Brooks. James L. Brooks put him in two different movies where he won Oscars. He has never done The Simpsons. Yeah, I think I said this before, but I feel like he did not want to cross the Rubicon into the world of television. I feel like he's old enough where that is a big distinction for him, and he has never lowered himself to being on a TV show, as far as I know.

And this is where Moe comes in on their dates, and he is definitely trying to be a jerk here. And he is undercutting Homer. He is trying to make Homer look worse to Marge. And though it is Marge who invites him to sit next to her first. So this is, Marge is friendly to Mo back. And obviously if a woman is friendly to a man, they can't just be friends. Like that would never happen.

Of course. Green light. Though I do love the joke that Marge that her wedding ring has to come off because it feels itchy. And then Homer would rather binge eat than work on his marriage, which I can, you know what, I can identify with that. I get it.

He's not in the era, though, in which he would have a cards themed popcorn bucket that would cost $40. That is also oddly sexable. Yes. They can all be retrofit into fleshlights, I feel. Now the popcorn, and I'm sure this will never crash out and the popcorn bucket market will only keep growing.

But it is crazy that now it's like the Fantastic Four one, for instance. There were two places that got to have a Galactus one. It wasn't like, well, Galactus can't be exclusive to AMC. Cinemark also has to have their own Galactus bucket that is distilled. manufactured manufacturer different from the AMC popcorn buckets. And it wasn't their only fantastic four bucket too. It's like how many specialized buckets can this market withstand? And these special buckets, do you get the popcorn in it on the day?

Or do you get this separate bucket that you then like have to take home and you get your popcorn in a different vessel for the actual movie? I've bought a couple of these. Yeah. Looking in behind you, Henry, for those popcorn buckets. Well, everybody was buying the Galactus one. I bought the Herbie the robot one, which is in the other room. Now it's mostly for throw-up. But I think I saw Megan 2 maybe and they had a Megan popcorn bucket where her head splits open and

there's you put the popcorn in there. But I think they would just give you the bucket separately. That is what happened. I was just handed a bucket. They said like, look, you could put popcorn into this. Though in Herbie's case, I think it would hold like you would have to fill it up three times to empty a large popcorn into it. It's a lot of trouble.

Not much bonus to it. It's really just to sell people a toy, obviously. And more landfill. That's the important part. Yes. Which I contributed to. Let's hear the second deleted scene, though. After the movie, Marge then goes on a horse-drawn carriage ride with Mo.

They have this quick exchange. And then it's revealed that Homer is sitting in the front seat. So that's why you'll hear Homer in the next part of the clip. All-time favorite singer. Nancy Sinatra. I like Frank Jr. Oh, he was good, too. I never got the father.

Well, Frank Sinatra Jr. had a father? I feel like I'm on Teen Jeopardy. You know, there's a regular Jeopardy. What? No, I'm just messing with you. You're awful. You sound just like the voices in my head. Nothing physical.

Nothing physical. That's what all the front seat, Johnny say. Well, I love this scene. It's great. It's great. This is funnier than Jack Nicholson jokes. I got to say, it's not as expensive as that animation. Mo does know about regular Frank Sinatra and regular Jeopardy.

Marge is really broadening his horizons. I love that Mo goes like, I'm kidding. I know about regular Jeopardy. Like, he's like, I'm not that stupid. Also, like, you sound like the voices in my head. A great, great line, too. This horse-drawn carriage guy has seen a lot of cucks like Homer, take the front seat. Oh, right.

Yeah, okay. But so this is where afterwards, right after that scene, is where Homer gets some bad news from Lenny. Homer, it's time you learn the sad truth. Can I learn it at a happy place? Mo and Marge are having an emotional affair. Although there's no physical intimacy, there's a deep spiritual connection that threatens to destroy your marriage.

What do I do? Engage your feelings. Become a friend. Get her a life magazine from the week she was born. on. Always treasure mine. You're absolutely right. Stop this ride. You're the boss.

So that's an orphan there. Yeah, yeah, we just heard an orphan. Yeah, they go to Itching and Scratchy Land, which as we learned recently, we covered Itching and Scratchy Land once again on this podcast, it is 700 miles away. So this is quite a road trip. Wow. And they're only just deciding to talk about the emotional affair situation on the log ride.

It's basically Splash Mountain. I mean, though there's a million long flume rides like this. Right. When I saw the vulture on it, like that reminded me of like when I was a youngster, Splash Man terrified me. The vulture right before the big drop is like, oh, you're in trouble now. After a bunch of not at all problematic scenes happened before that. Then you drop.

I've written the not problematic redesign of the ride and it's a fine ride, but they take out any of the scary stuff. They don't make you scared before the drop. The children should think they're going to die before that drop happens. Being scared means they're less likely to buy churros and they can't take that risk. They crunch the numbers. I feel like what, Universal Studios has a similar type of ride but for the Jurassic world. And they scare you with plenty of dynos before they drop you.

They pop out a bunch of raptors at you and the Delophisaurus spits on you too. Bob chose not to ride. You know, me and Bob have our different limits when we went to Universal together. I have debilitating sub-mechanophobia and you're not allowed to make fun of me. And I could be making that up. Meanwhile, on the mummy ride there, I wouldn't ride it because it's, I wrote it once, and that was once was enough for me. I love the mummy ride.

It's a banger. The fact that there have been a whole new mummy movies since those mummy movies, and that still exists, I think is a sign of a quality ride. And obviously, Waterworld stunt show. I mean, more people have seen the stunt show that have seen Waterworld. Yeah, I mean, if you ride that mummy ride, I love the idea that they ran out of room, so you just do the ride backwards once you reach one end of it. I guess we'll just send you back.

And now it's getting current all over again because there is going to be a new mummy movie in the Brendan Fraser, Rachel Wise universe. Also, yeah, that Homer does not care. You know that other guy that falls out and like smashes his face? I feel like that's a broken neck. I don't know. That looks like a painful fall for that other guy too.

I feel like you must sign waivers before entering a jean scratchy land. This joke, though, talk about sliding timeline. This joke would imply that Lenny was born during the Vietnam War, which in previous flashbacks, we've seen that he is high school age in the mid-70s. Oh. Somebody got fired for that blood drugs. Bob, you came up with a great idea.

Instead of Life magazine for millennials, you were the first person I heard the suggestion of the Garfield. Oh, it wasn't me. I just liked the idea. Although, if you were born before 1978, you are too old to have a Garfield from when you were born. It's a sad thing for people. That's the Gen X millennial cutoff line for me, I think.

Is Garfield's birthday? Was Garfield around? Could your mother have read Garfield from a hospital bed after giving birth to you? We then see Homer attempt to connect with Marge, but she's just too tired to do it. This is where the plot line comes in that she's heading off to Aruba, which Homer didn't listen to.

Like, he had his chance to listen. I believe Marge, when she says, she told him 10 times and you'll listen. And this is back in a simpler time, 21 years ago, in which the word cuckold was unknown to the general populist. In fact, I think I'd only listened it recently because I was taking a college class.

We were reading the Canterbury Tales and the tale of the Miller's wife has a lot of talk of cuckold and cuckoldry. So I thought like, well, this class is paying off. Yeah. Finally, there's a reason to read the Canterbury Tales. It cost me $1,800, but I got one extra joke. Yeah.

Pretty soon, I'd say by 05, people were starting to experience pornography to such a degree that they would be aware of an entire genre about cuckoldry. Whole sections of the internet devoted to the concept, whether it's the chairs that are used for this sort of thing or whatever. You know, those chairs are just so useful in a hotel room, at least for holding your bags and stuff.

It's a thing to put something on. The one place you can sit to change your tire shoes. But you're thinking you're getting cucked while you're tying your shoes. That's what makes it more delicious. Then Homer doesn't know. I mean, it's great, too, that his imagination calls him a cuckold, but then he doesn't know what the word is, is also great. This, to me, feels like a classic Alginac three rewrite,

but nobody says it on the commentary. But, I mean, what do you think, Bob? I mean, it's insane, and I feel like they should go back to the bar, but I guess it kind of follows naturally in some way. I feel like this whole episode, Bob's like, what are we going to get back to the English-style pub? I want to know what they're serving. I want to know more about the clientele.

Are the bar flies welcome? Are they serving Guinness or not? Did Lenny and Carl keep their costumes on? at least within the bar. To me it just feels like this feels like a plot ripped out of like a 70s sitcom like one day at a time

or WKRP in Cincinnati you know like... I mean they're saying here's a hoary old trope and then they just do it while admitting that it is it's been done so many times which doesn't make it better

but I guess they can have more fun with the idea. This is where Homer learns that Lisa and Bard are calling him Uncle Moe which I love Homer's response like he's only your emotional uncle I'm your real uncle

I guess after Homer leaves this scene, that's when Bart enters the Loon race, I'm guessing, right? That must be winning. I think so. It must be moments after. We're not seeing the form he's filling out, but I can sense it's in the room somewhere. And Lisa calls out that they're now going to reenact the horriole trope

of the Fremont comms of like the rush to the airport. But this is 2005. They're not talking about how it's impossible to do those after 9-11 in a movie and it seemed believable. You can't stop somebody after security in an airport unless you're going to buy a plane ticket

I guess. Unless a policeman is driving you on the tarmac inside of a stair car. Yes. Wiggum helps him get past TSA. I guess that's what. Joe Biden got rid of that loophole. It's one of the few things he did during his term. Yeah.

Don't you also think it's funny they're doing a stair car joke in this like right after season two of arrested development that like made stair cars like a whole thing? I think it made us all aware of stair cars and what to call them. Yeah. It made it a accessible joke for the general populace. This was also the ending to the Jim Carrey. movie Lyer Lyer, wasn't it? Am I remembering this right?

I have never seen Lyer, liar, liar. There are large chunks of Jim Carey's filmography I just have avoided because I was at the age where I'm like, this looks like garbage. Should I change that? I saw it at a dollar theater. I have no memories of how it ends.

But I do know the man can't lie. I believe his ex-wife and his son are about to leave town on an airplane. And he commandeers one of the stair cars to stop the plane and he nearly dies riding at the top of it. I think that's how it ends. And that's when he then magically breaks the curse of not lying anymore, which, well, there's an unseen genie, but a wish happens in some way.

The movie should be called unseen genie. I feel like if you put a scene genie in a movie with Jim Carrey, that's unfair. Because Jim Carrey is a much better genie than anybody else, unless you get like Robin Williams. I mean, his face is basically evil enough to look like a jinns. We also see that Wiggum is kind of in love with the home. in this next scene where the Mo lets us in, but not Marge, in his secret plan. Yeah. Oh, Marge, I'm so in love with you.

And tonight, after some surf and turf and a bottle of champagne, maybe some Snickers pie, I'll explain how the hotel made a little mistake, and we got to stay in the same room. Oh, yeah. Mo, your upper lip is trembling. I'm just excited because they're showing an episode of Boy Meets World on this flight. Oh, no, wait. That's only on flights from Europe. We just get that little plane. Hey, wait a minute. What the hell is that? That man make you happy?

Uh-oh. Simpson, you are going 100 in a 25 zone, and you're not going to flirt your way out of this one. But I have to get to the airport to save my marriage. Really? Well, why didn't you say so? Let's roll. It didn't work this hard to save my marriage. Again with that. Wake up, Lou. She was way out of your league. I do like the joke about with the little Homer car on the screen with the plane. And now with the advancements in technology on a lot of flights, you'll get your own one of those screens.

And you can change all the different views you have of the little plane. When I'm at my most bored and don't want to read anymore, I will kind of like move the camera around. I like seeing the little play, whether I'm reading, playing a video game or watching my own entertainment on like a phone or laptop. I still like having that screen showing the flight path the whole time. It's a nice constant. There was a story on the commentary where executive producer Matt Salman was notified about 9-11 because he was flying from Japan that day and the plane turned around in mid-air. And that's when he realized something is wrong.

But I guess he'd have to like, he's not finding out until he lands, right, back at that time. So many like Simpsons and Simpsons adjacent people were at airports or in planes on 9-11. Like Seth MacFarlane almost died. Matt Salman couldn't get home. A guest was like stuck. Couldn't fly home because they did a table read that day. Oh, God, I can't remember the guest. I'm stuck.

But it was a writer. I think it wasn't John Updike. But look, that's neither here nor there. It's been about cheap airlines where was that a new thing at that time? I mean, obviously there's always cheap airlines. But this almost feels like a spirit or frontier style joke about like there's an upcharge for every little thing to make it seem like it's cheaper than it really is. Though my preferred cheap airline is Southwest.

though now I'm not going to, they got rid of open seating. And I honestly kind of don't want to do Southwest anymore. I liked the open seating. Too many murders. Wait, what's open seating where you just show up and pick where you're going to sit? Yes, you're assigned a place in line and say you're like number 30 in the line. And you sit wherever you feel like. And then it's just like, well, will someone want to sit next to me as this plane fills up?

Like there's a lot of strategies. That feels bonkers. I don't like it. It stressed out Bob when we'd fly. Southwest, yes. I've done it a few times. I guess, Henry, you're addicted to stress? What's going on?

Why do you prefer this? Oakland, in my defense, Oakland Airport was a Southwest hub, and there were many options to fly out of that. I guess it was very cheap. Well, we were paying for it, you know, on our own down. If I had a company paying for it, I would tell them not to do Southwest. But also part of the Southwest open seating problem, too, was usually about 20% of your flight had never flown Southwest before and had no clue what, how open seating worked. And nobody working there wants. to explain it to anybody.

All they know is they pay $30 for a ticket. And they're confused. So instead, you have to be like me telling a senior who's trying to cut in front of me of like, wait, let me, what's your number? Mine's 46C. Oh, see, you're behind me. And then they have to, it's like,

it's instant confrontation in the airport. A place you do not want to have confrontation. No, I mean, I feel like airports bring literally the worst out in people. And it's the rudest anyone will ever be is at an airport. I just took a train to Portland instead. of a flight and so much more relaxed.

Was there a couple who seemingly was on some sort of drug passed out in the seat behind me? Yes, but they slept the whole way and were no problem. Oh, and continuity-wise, I noticed on close watch here, they actually did bother to have other restaurant owners on the plane with him. Sea Captain, Luigi, Akira, and Krusty, all there. We also get to see how dressed up Mo was for picking her up. Like, this is his plan to make his move, like, which I assume,

lot of work husbands have this plan in their back pocket. He comes with like a James Bond sting for some reason. You know, there's a couple of stings here that I feel like are same like that like that sting on the Life magazine. I feel like that would have been funnier of just silence of just like we sit in the weirdness of bloodshed and louse. Yeah. You know, Snicker pie, I think that is a good specific to pick out of like a hotel restaurant. Snicker pie sounds like something that's on that. I know you're getting busy is they order a snicker pot.

We're going to really splurge on the room service for Snicker Pie. That gets the blood flowing more than any like tray of oysters. Yeah. Also, this Boy Meets World thing, a good specific about in-flight entertainment at the time. Though now, the last time, mostly I do just down, if I'm watching a TV show, it says I downloaded it before the flight. But I did forget to do it recently and went on the free Wi-Fi on an Alaska flight. And it did have, like, watch current sitcoms on it. And you know what?

I watched a few episodes of. St. Dennis Medical, and it's an all right show. Okay, okay. Long endorsement. Medium endorsement for St. Dennis Medical. You know, it's the office in a hospital with a lot of good actors in it. Allison Tolman.

David Allen Greer, too. He's in it. Yeah. And McClendon Cubby, the blonde woman from Reno 911, she's really good in it too. This is where Homer then is spotted by Mo. He closes the blinds. Homer then somehow sneaks up through the toilet. Is this a catch me if you,

can reference. Even on the commentary, they're unsure about it. It's the backwards version of it. In the movie, he escapes via the toilet, which is impossible, apparently, in real life. No human can make it through the air suction device that is flushing a toilet on an airplane, I don't think. Yeah, there's a similar sequence in Allen Partridge, Alpha Papa, but with a tour bus. When Homer shows up again, he's covered in blue liquid. Is that like, is it just them coloring water differently they normally do, or is this supposed to be like the sanitary blue liquid water? Sanitary blue water, yeah.

Okay. Oh, and, sorry, more continuity here. Lou, the police officer, we're hearing more about his divorce. He's talking a lot about his divorce in this era. It affects you, you know? He's bringing it to work. He has to talk more because Eddie is not talking anymore in the show.

That character stopped talking. Harry Shearer hates playing the character for some unspoken reason. I don't know. Also, speaking to the commentary, Matt Selman, Matt Selman dominures two minutes of the commentary to remember one joke on it that he misremembers when Mo says it, but he loves Shubah in Aruba. He really loves that joke. I guess it's fun to hear Mo say those syllables.

Yeah. And he credits it to Daniel Chun, who will do a whole writer's corner on him once we get to his first actual credited episode, which is an early broadcast season 17, but production season 16. But I will just mention he is the first Asian American on the Simpsons writing staff, I believe. But of course, Bob, I think you can already guess. He's a Harvard Lampoon alum, of course. Homer confronts him.

This is where Mo also makes his pitch to Marge. Marge looks sad, which could be read as her considering it. But obviously, she's just thinking herself, obviously I am not kidding with you, Mo. How do I talk him down from this without him killing himself? But Homer takes it wrong. This is where Mo reveals he actually does pay attention enough to March to what her favorite food is. I did not expect that to be your favorite food, buttered noodles.

It's a good joke. I like how it's very specific and also very sad because it's a very like a poverty meal. I remember making a lot of buttered noodles in my 20s because you have butter, you have pasta, maybe some salt if you're feeling spicy. And there you go. No no nutritional value, but calories galore. Yeah, it's a poverty meal, but it's also like a weird, childish, like, comfort meal. Yeah. I talked about my own like comfort foods or safe foods. I, had as a picky eating child, though my brother, he was the buttered noodle kid. He would have the

just like a the noodles cooked, then put in the microwave with like a pad of butter on it, then take it out and go to town. Like I was more of a blue box macaroni and cheese kid is my go-to safe food. I have some nightmares about a

babysitter who didn't think the blue box craft dinner mac and cheese was healthy enough. So she mixed in a can of tuna without letting me know in advance. And like tuna fish in mac and cheese looks insane if you're not expecting him. Yeah.

That would have been traumatizing to me. This is a pure Peter Griffin bit. He opens the door mid-flight. Like this is too stupid. Like this is even stupider in the jerk-ass Homer. Yeah. Like this is just like as dumb as Homer gets kind of stuff. I think someone would have flown out

if Homer had not killed another man earlier in this episode because there's no big joke other than decompression is happening. Mr. Tini, his life is at risk. Yeah. Honestly, I'm impressed they didn't kill Mr. Tini. I was sure he was flying out that window. Because I feel like that it's like,

oh, Mr. Tini can get sucked out and then he can be on the wing of the plane. It'd be like the twilight zone. And then they realize, okay, maybe this is something we've done or other people have done this. My only thing I really like about this Homer is so stupid joke is

how he impossibly is able to close it back again, which he would have to have like superhuman strength to do, I would think, based on the level of like suction that would happen in this, right? I would think. No one is stopping him. He's hanging out in the little flight attendant zone afterwards. I do love that you're asking us right.

Like, right? That's physics right. That's what physics work? We all just got to see a very memorable scene. Well, if you saw the movie Send Help, you've seen a slightly less comedic version of this scene. That's still pretty funny. God, that movie ruled. I was telling people at a party recently, like, oh, you got to see this because I was trying to, you know, spread the word of mouth as a proper film bro must.

A person asks, like, oh, does an animal? animal die in the movie and I had to be like well okay yes bud and they're like nope that was that was the end of it they just didn't want to see didn't want to see it even when I tried to say like but it's a CGI animal and it's like self-defense

isish any animal death hearing about the horrible things that happens as a human's that movie didn't phase this person Sam Ramey I remember when my wife and I were first dating my wife admitted that she wasn't interested in gore so in my bright idea was I'm like I got the horror

movie for her and we watched Drag Me to Hell, despite the fact that it does feature an animal death, specifically a cat, which is a big no-no. And it is like just the grossest movie you can make. Sam Ramey. What a filmmaker. Love him. Many a man has taken a date to a Sam Ramey movie and regretted it. I said, give that person the time code for the animal death. They can go out, you know, get some nachos, come back in. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's good thinking. I'll give it another shot because this person, I knew they would be interested in the office politics stuff of it, I think. You could also tell them, grow up. You're shaken by the collar.

Nod up. Snowflake. This is where Homer just totally gives up when he fails on that Brother Nudels. But Marge then makes the obvious choice. Now, our next clip here. Mo, you would. I'll see you at baggage claim. That damn, I won.

Marge. I swear I'll be the best man you ever had. It's going to be all flowers and back rubs and how was your day dear? Mo, I don't love you. And I'm certainly not going to leave my husband. You mean I listen to all your touchy-feely yip-y yip-y for nothing? I'm afraid so. At least I had a couple of sips from your coke when you went to the bathroom.

Homie? Marge, I just want to say, if you ever feel like cheating on Mo, here's my card. Homer, I made a vow on our wedding day to stay by you for better or worse. And besides, I love you. You're my homie-womi-romy-domy. And you're my Margie-Wargy-Barggy-Fargy-Gergy-Margy-Turgy-Gy-Turgy-Largy. I may have dodged a bullet here. I feel like that emotionally doesn't follow to the next scene of Mo being suicidal again afterwards.

No. It seems like he's not as dead. disappointed, but then he is disappointed in the very next shot. I don't know. Also, like, I dodged a bullet here. Like, that feels like a Simpsons, the kind of cliche comedy writing, Simpsons would normally issue. Yeah, yeah. I feel like it kind of like a stock exit line on a sitcom. Yeah, yeah. Though Homer is a plus-sized butt model. He'd be doing great these days in the internet economy. Yeah. There's a Simpsons plot for you. The Homer becomes an Instagram thought. They could call the episode Homie fans.

Yeah. Oh, my God, Bob. And I'm writing it. Yeah, you're banging them out. He's called it. I also like that Mo, when Mo just admits, like, I never felt anything for you beyond, like, he calls it like, you know, touchy-feely yip-yap.

Marge just goes like, I'm afraid so. Like, she's not really insulted that her, like, friend was pretending to be her friend this whole time and caring about her. And that, yes, Homer should be arrested, but instead gets to land in Aruba with them and go about his day. walk on the beach. Marge still owns, has a stake in the Moe's Tavern, I guess. Yeah, or it's eventually paid off.

Believe you me, the next time they mention a mortgage, I'm going to remember where their mortgage status from this one. So we go to the beach where Mo is ready to be washed away by the tide. He says he won't have to feel anything anymore. Then a stingray lands on him and starts hitting him in the chest. 18 months later, we'll all learn about how deadly stingray barbs to the chest can be. That's when Steve Irwin. I stopped laughing immediately.

Yeah. Stop laughing at stingrays. It does feel like, hey, why is that on the Simpsons predicted at list? Don't encourage them. Here we have things wrap up, both for Marge, Mo, and Homer. Mo, I need to tell you something. Oh. You showed me you could be a really sweet guy.

You can make a woman very happy someday. Wow. The realsies? It's true. You'd be quite a cat. If you just shower and shave and stop swearing under your breath. Oh, thanks, Marge. You know it all, bitch.

Oh, uh, did I mention there was a mistake at the front desk? Huh? Really? Is it one that will change the sleeping arrangements? Could be, could be. Huh? Listen, I gotta tell you, I chew in my sleep. Yeah, well, I sweat blood. Good night, both of you.

Who's watching the kids? Are you sure mom and dad, want us to enter a European balloon race? Sure, why not? You know, you don't hear the word bitch often on the Simpsons. This is the first time it's been directed directly to Marge. Somebody is called Marge a bitch. Now, I want to

say that in Marge and Chains, Sanjay Orupu says, we're putting that bitch on ice. So that was not to her face. I guess Marge didn't hear this, but she's in the same space. This might have crossed the line. Right. They had a good one where Bart gets away with it while referring to a female dog. with puppies as a bitch as the corrector.

But yeah, it's like they're on a commentary. They're shocked. Like, it seemed like they forgot that Mo calls her a bitch. There's something so funny to me, though, that he like snaps from like being interested in her to like calling her a bitch. Like, he's supposed to learn a lesson, but he refuses. It just is a vulgar jerk who wants vengeance. And then he immediately still tries to trick her into sleeping with him. The way Mo, I mean, yes, that Marge actually.

I think really means it when she says, I see how somebody could want to date you if you just shaved and showered. And her saying that to him is why he thinks she's a know-it-all bitch, is because she's giving him helpful advice that he doesn't want to take. Yeah. Yeah, then we have a brief cut to remember the kids, which this feels like a good joke about how silly their third acts can get. The kids are in a European balloon race. Yeah. Yeah, I like, because I've seen this before, but I was also thinking, where are Bart and Lisa? Because Homer just leaves them. So they remembered and they end with a joke, which is fun. And it always feels good to hear La Vian Rose. It's a beautiful song. And I feel like after an episode that goes to, let's say,

some dark places. This is a oddly uplifting conclusion. Yeah. Oh, hey. That's right. Yes. I like it. And both Homer and Mo are punished. And the children are uplifted by their hot air balloon. It all works out. Yeah. Now let's talk about economy here, though. You know, back in season 15 for codependence day, they had some deleted scenes. And instead of just putting them on a DVD later, they instead decided, let's put this over the credits and make it technically a part of this plot instead.

Love will keep us together. Take me, babe, whenever. some sweet talking guy in a thong and hands you a bomb Don't take a gun You just gotta be strong You better stop Because I want to stand with

I said stop Or maybe a man witch So that's what The scene over the credits of Homer and March singing the oh incredibly fresh parody of Captain Insidiel's Love will keep us together It was from Co-Dependence Day where Margin and Homer just become alcoholics together.

I turned this off as soon as the executive producer credits came up. I didn't know there was something after the initial black screen. I totally watched this part, yeah. In its new context, it reads as Homer and Marge are back together, and they're drinking together at Moes while singing a parody version of Love will keep us together. And Moes is back to normal. Okay. So if you take it in context, it answers, well,

Moes went back to normal for some reason, and Homer and Marge are happy together. I'm glad I know about this now. Yeah. I'm building my duty. Next time I will watch until the Gracie Films logo. No way. That's crazy. I famously turn every movie I watch for my podcast off.

The moment the credits start to roll and I've missed so many mid credits and bloopers and all that stuff. I find that unless it's sinners, you're probably not missing anything. And if it centers, it's the end of the movie. It's literally the end of the movie. It's the emotional coda. That's dirty pool. Have you guys experienced it? on streamers where they say, like, you get skip credits and it will skip ahead to the mid-credit sequence.

I've seen that a few times. I've not seen that. Maybe I'm watching the wrong movies. So we ended this season 16 episode with a brief seconds, about 30 seconds of a season 15 episode as Homer and Marge are happy again together in this episode that's technically about bar remodeling. Yeah. I feel like it's more about a relationship collapsing. And it's nice to see that they have managed to bring it back together.

using old footage. So if your wife goes in on opening a British pub, watch out. You're in danger. This third act, I think I say this a lot in this era. Third act crazy, but Mo funny. They found funny things to do with Mo and some new things too. Even if it's familiar territory, they've covered in like, I think, eight other episodes we named in this episode,

and it reminded us of. Mo's suicidal disgustingness, there's still funny things to find. I feel like the writers still, like, they enjoy getting. to go to that place. Yeah, there's certain jokes you can't write when someone is a father or a mother, and they all go to Mo. Even Homer can't sink to certain depths. But yes, I like this episode because of Mo and how Mo Focus it is.

I wish there was more Barr stuff. I complained about that earlier. Mo Bar, please. Yes, I want Mo Mo. And, yeah, I look forward to us covering, I don't know, 10 more episodes with a similar premise in the future because this is a well they go back to a lot. Yeah, I can't wait to see what they do,

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