Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - My Big Fat Geek Wedding With Stephen Sajdak

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

"My beloved is napping in the many folds of my Spider-Man t-shirt. As for me, I am popping kettle corn." - Comic Book Guy After eight years, the Skinner/Krabappel pairing comes to an abrupt end when Seymour gets cold feet and leaves Edna at the altar. And when Comic Book Guy comes along to pick up the pieces of this shattered relationship, we're all left wondering if this episode was written backwards from the title. Our guest: Stephen Sajdak from We Hate Movies Support this podcast and get over 200 ad-free bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod, not to mention Bluesky and Instagram!

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That's Talkspace.com slash military. This podcast is brought to you by Patreon.com slash Talking Simpsons. Head there to check out exclusive podcasts like talking futurama talk king of the hill the what a cartoon movie podcast and tons more i hardly endorse this event or product Ahoy, ahoy everybody and welcome to Talking Simpsons, the podcast for teens and immigrants. I'm one of your hosts, the shame closet squatter, Bob Mackie, and this is our Chronological Exploration of the Simpsons, who is here with me today as always Henry Gilbert ready to list all of the differences between DC and Marvel Comics in the year 2004 and who was our special guest on

the line oh my larval sack fell in the toilet my name is Steven Sadak from the We Hate Movies podcast and this week's episode is my big fat geek wedding the important thing is to get Skinner to that altar. Because once a union has been sanctified by God, it takes at least six months to tear it apart. Right, naked duff man? Oh, uh, oh yeah! This episode originally aired on April 18, 2004.

And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh! Oh my god! As always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Kill Bill Vol. 2 tops the box office, creator of Tetsujin 28, Mitsuteru Yokoyama passes away and a grand jury officially indicts former Simpsons guest Michael Jackson in Santa Barbara. We're always waiting for that second appearance, weren't we? Yeah.

The return of Leon Kompowski, which we've talked about a billion times. He was supposed to come back as Prince with Prince voicing himself and that never, well sorry, voicing Leon Kompowski as Prince, but it never came into being. I mean honestly, that might be part of, the Simpsons episode recording might be part of this biopic, but I know a lot of stuff about that trial will not be. It will be funny. They get up right to the edge of his appearance on Simpsons, then just cut off there. Just to show you how long it goes.

There were months of investigations going on publicly. The trial itself won't start until February of the following year after this. So we'll only give listeners in our history section the bare minimum of Michael Jackson updates. That's a different podcast altogether. There were years of mean nor McDonald's jokes that were all so delicious. Always involved the words homosexual pedophile, I believe.

Oh yes, yes. They're laughing about it in heaven together, of course. Bygones are bygones. And for the comic book, I was trying to find some comic book news for this week, and it was Mitsuteru Yokoyama, very important creator in comic history, Tetsujin 28, or Gigantor here, it's one of the first like, mecha anime, and also in comics, and also he created Sally the witch which is pretty much the first Magical girl comic book as well. So a real genre creator I have a running list on letterboxed for movies where a relatively normal guy is called gigantic or for some reason

I have three movies thus far one is speed There's the dude on the bus that everyone calls gigantic or two I was surprised to find what this is the list started. In New Jack City, someone calls somebody else Gigantor. And then finally, a couple weeks ago, we just did an episode on Night at the Museum for the show. And Owen Wilson is like, come on Gigantor, left and right. Two, Ben Stiller, because he's so large in that movie. Those references are all for the Boomers out there to elbow their wife or husband. It's funny, back then it's the Gen X and boomer difference about anime jokes compared to Millennials or younger.

A lot of their jokes are from things like Gigantor they saw as kids with like, Oh, this and Speed Race are terrible dubbing. Isn't that what's famous? And it's like, we've had good dubbing for 30 years now. I think at least We're still doing the bad Godzilla joke quick question about anime that I grew up with that I'll never see is battle of the planets ever gonna be released anywhere Let's take go to the cold wet ground never seeing it again in a nice looking stream. Oh boy Well the battle of the planets version that availability. I'm not so sure about over there. I have a box set I've not watched yet of the blu-ray release of the gotcha man like ooh is purist form with an Alex Ross painted cover

Which I'm a bit we'll look into that Steve needs to plan an Ocean's Eleven style heist to break into Henry's apartment In order to watch battle of the planets. It's the only way But yes in the movie talk. I was yes, in the movie and two when they came out, but then watching them both back to back as a double feature in a theater when you're in your 40s. And I say, that's the way to do it. Although when I was watching that second movie,

I thought this was probably a lot better if you had to wait six months. When you see it 20 minutes later, it's not quite as good as part one. It is one of those things, I was curious, Henry, how you felt. It is sort of, it's the Tarantino deflation left turn thing of just like, you think it's going to be another big ninja fight?

Wrong. It's going to be this thing. It's grown on me over time a lot. Like I remember being in the theater being like, but the ninja fighting. And then like, eventually like, I just kind of like watching it two or three times. Also by the way, now RIP to Michael Madsen, one of his best performances, him in volume two, that whole the Bud sequence is just so much fun. My God, yeah.

I didn't think this would be a celebration of Michael Madsen here while he just passed away. But yeah, he is so good. It's like he is both a guy who is believably a badass and somebody who gets the closest to killing the bride the entire movie. But also he's a total fucking loser who gets like talked down to by his shitty strip club boss like It's calendar time for buddy. Okay, let's look you're not working that day is like one of my favorite things ever You know while I prefer part one

I think part two had the better back from the dead sequence part one was all about wiggling your little piggies and part two is About bursting out of a grave Way better. Less sexy though, for sure. Sadly. I wonder how it will be reflected in the new Superman movie, but both love the Superman speech and also I hate that people think that that is the right way to write Clark Kent because I think it is a shallow interpretation of the Superman mythos. It's a bad post-Watchmen idea of Superman that is infected, what do you call

it there, the whole Snyder version, sorry don't kill me in the street just because I said that, shoot me Jack Ruby style. Yeah exactly, I like that he is a hopeful dope, you know what I mean? I don't know, that's the way I was raised. Oh and also this defeats the Punisher at the box office, the Thomas Jane Punisher, so that's also out this week as well. He battles John Travolta, that's who he fights, with the promise that he would be Jigsaw in the future sequel that never happened, of course.

That didn't, well there was a sequel, but not the Tom Jane sequel. The guy from The Wire is, the Lexi Alexander sequel. Punisher Warzone? Punisher Warzone, yes, where Ray Stevenson is Punisher and whomever, I always forget his name, Dominic West is Jigsaw, yeah. That's right. That's just the start of the comic book discussion we'll have in this episode for the history when this aired.

And joining us once again is Steve Sadak from the We Hate Movies podcast, and Steve Last joined us for season four's March in Chains. Welcome back to the show, Steve. Thank you so much, guys. I love doing this, and I always like to mark this. This was well after I was in college at this point. I was, I think, a junior.

You'd be fun to be like, I wasn't watching The Simpsons. I was getting laid. I was absolutely not getting laid, but I wasn't watching The Simpsons. Neither things were happening. Well, I wasn't getting laid. I was watching The Simpsons,

but I was really mad about it. There you go. Which is the worst way to exist in your early 20s. I had time to see Kill Bill volume two in the morning twice in one weekend because I also had an open dance card, I'll say. Yes. I mean, you were also a big, like this is another

like comic booky episode or at least the second half and then Steve, you're a big, like not just a comic book joyer and enthusiast, but also like, you've worked in the industry too. Yeah, that's right. I worked for Marvel Comics for a couple of years and I've worked in publishing for a long time on the publishing end. I was not a creative at Marvel.

I was a print production specialist, FYI, not so bad. So seeing that I've started the business and also like the con side of it, that's when I first started. The interesting thing is, like, everyone assumes just by looking at me that I've been to a million Comic Cons and I don't always go to Comic Cons. I kind of only went like starting when I could get there for free for Marvel. I also was doing like a web TV series at the time. A very low-key web series that like for the Major League gaming for five minutes that it was such a bad matchup. Like we were not talking with game, we

weren't gamers, but they were trying to get content, and we were in New York and they liked us, and they sent us to Comic-Con one year to do remote stuff that I don't even know where any of that stuff exists. That was my first time in Comic-Con. And I go to NYCC every couple years.

To me, it's basically a great big mall. I enjoy it. You know, one big comic shop, but I spend way too much money on stuff. You must know all the, you've been in the secret back alleys of the Javits Center then in your professional time. Oh yes. The creepy, you don't wanna know what's going on back there.

Though this is a stinky episode we were saying off mic before. Yes. Yes, I'm glad Steve is here, so it's not just me and Henry complaining for three hours, because I think it would be, unless there was someone here who has other things to do. We don't have anything better to do. But yeah, this is Al Jean the Al Jean is on trial here showrunner Al Jean because this is him

Making the choice to shut down the Edna in Skinner relationship because he says it on the commentary But he believes that oh Edna would never go for a dip like Skinner and on the commentary He slightly suggests that oh I think Ned would be a much better choice and that's because at the time they were getting Nedna off the ground before the untimely death of Marcia Wallace. And I don't know why he prefers that pairing when Ned is a similarly dweeby virginal man compared to Skinner. But yes, I love the Edna Skinner thing. They're such a great couple. The Great School Confidential is like in my top three, top five. It's one of the best, more subtle episodes,

and I really love how they pulled the trigger on Skinner and Krabappel after almost a decade of buildup. But this one just kind of washes its hands of it in a very callous way, and I never liked that. It's sort of like the death of mod. You can kill a character, but do it with dignity, do it with grace. But this one, they're like, ah, we're done with this.

Isn't it funny that we made you care about it? And it just, it left me with a feeling very sour. It is the callousness that bugs me. And yeah, the mod's a great parallel too. Cause it's, and also like if these jokes worked better, if this, if the comic payoff was at least worth the ride, then maybe, but it's just sort of like a bunch of cheap nerd jokes.

And then we're out of here. You know what I mean? It's not, these aren't jokes about the relationship of Skinner and Edna. Honestly, even Agnes is barely part of the episode. You would think if you were going to torpedo this relationship for once and for all, it should be Agnes doing it about that triad, but they have one or two cutaways of her and that's it. Yeah, it never makes sense to me in this episode too why Edna falls in love with a comic book. I will cover it, but I was wearing my comedic podcaster jeweler's loop and watching these

scenes where she's talking to him. It doesn't make any sense of all the men to fall in love with to leave Skinner for. And eventually she leaves him. Spoilers. I just feel like, well, on the commentary, Matt Selman asked the writer of this episode, the late Kevin Curran, did you work backwards from the title and I honestly think he did I think they came up with the title first and thought How do we make this into an episode? It makes sense general overall note

I have but it's very related to the comic book guy Relationship is that this episode really kind of gives up on Edna is like an emotional character with any consistency gives up on Edna as like an emotional character with any consistency. Like, grade school confidential is very interested in Edna's emotionality. And she's also like a much more complex character who's, you know, a woman who's been through a lot and she likes Skinner's innocence. They really feel like real characters who love each other as opposed to like she fucks comic book guy cause she is bored. Honestly she feels nothing and what it seems where she could talk she is asleep for instance. Yes yeah. I do think it's sort of interesting like it's a weird commentary on like this sort of heteronormative idea of like the dude

oh man she she wore me down now I gotta get married kind of thing like there's a lot of play on that side of the field, which doesn't feel genuine to Skinner at all. Like, you know what I mean? Like this guy is A. desperate to get out of his mother's life, you know what I mean? And this is like, you are living in this sort of totally retrograde existence where you live with your mother until you're married, then you fucking go and get married as soon as you possibly can to be like, then I'm free of that kind of thing. And like, again, that never kind of comes into it. It is just sort of, yeah, just a complete afterthought, just a device to get us to the fucking comic book convention, honestly.

Yeah. I'm really glad you brought that up, Steve, because you're obviously not as familiar with these season 15 episodes. One trend that we've noticed in covering them is that the knives are out for marriage and also wives. And it feels not done in a playful way. It feels very personal and very vindictive. And it feels not done in a playful way. It feels very personal and very vindictive. And there are certain lines in this that made me think like, Oh, that hurts. Like the Marge line later in the episode where she said, let's go home so I can yell at you some more. That is somebody who just thinking about their own personal struggles in a bad relationship. And there's nothing really funny about that. It just feels

mean-spirited to me. It's weird that this has been like a ticking time bomb of a storyline since they did the episode in the previous season where Skinner proposes to Edna at not Epcot. And they've been engaged. There's been an engagement storyline, an actual like ongoing story arc for over a year now in the show. And it's a trick payoff for viewers if they cared they'd be like finally we're gonna see Skinner and Enda get married and so then instead they take that away from you and then to bring it to comic book stuff too I do feel like Al Jean is coming off like when a new writer takes over an established series or a returning

writer even comes back to like Spider-Man or Batman or whatever and instantly breaks up the couple that he was left with of like, oh, Peter Parker or Bruce Wayne shouldn't date this character. He should date this character who I like. Yeah. And there is that old, I don't even know what it is, the idea that it's harder to write a married couple. It's hard to keep viewers interested in a married couple than it is to say somebody who's dating all the time or whatever. I understand that to

a certain degree, but also these are side characters. It's not even the whole show. You could totally have... It actually makes... I think it's more exciting to have Skitter and Get Married. Then when we check in on them next, it's like, oh man, do we want to have kids or whatever the hell they're going to talk about. Any number of marital problems that they can have, and then we just don't even discuss it. It's just to be able to cleave it for the sake of cleaving, really. Yeah.

You should get to the episode, but I feel like the damage this does to the show is that from this point onwards, for a very long time, Skinner is now defined as the loser whose fiance left him, and it brings him even lower than he normally is. It's sort of like within the past few seasons, Apu cheats on Mandula, and now Apu is basically the henpecked husband until he's disappeared from the show. I just hate how these characters are defined after these very bad episodes to be something much worse than it used to be. I just want to put a stake in the ground because what bugs me about this episode, I don't mind, you know, obviously the latter Simpsons, we take a tour around Springfield,

it doesn't always have to be about Homer and Marge, but the way that they do not have any idea of how to land the plane of whatever this, what should be the centering device of the episode, Homer and Marge are having trouble and it's being reflected in somebody else. Like, you know, which we've seen a lot, but to not be able to do that and only to have a, and Bobby, I think you said this off the air, a retread of A Millhouse Divided is just kind of boring. I timed it. We do the Millhouse Divided ending

with 70 seconds left of the episode. There's nothing to it. It's just like, here's your chum kind of a thing. Al Jean should, earning our antipathy in this episode because on the commentary, if he didn't directly call out much better episodes as ones he did not like and wanted to undo, then it's like, well, okay, Mr. Jean,

if you are going to rate what is better or what's a good or bad Simpsons episode, then you better make a great Simpsons episode than it doesn't, yeah. To put him on trial one more time, on the commentary, he says that he's about to win a pioneer in television animation award at the Burbank international film festival. I looked this up.

It's not exactly that he won lifetime achievement in television animation. That's what the website says anyway. And also other honorees that year were Roger Corman for Pioneer in Science Fiction Film and Fred Willard in Pioneer in Comedy. Burbank Film Festival's still going strong. I can't tell you more about the 2011 event though of course because all websites are dead from 2011. I think all websites are dead from like 2019.

Yes. Possibly 2023. Every day a new website is dying. Please give us $3 a month to keep these alive. After they reuse the Play-Doh couch gag we've seen before, we then get to the opening joke, which you know, honestly, I like this joke. It makes me laugh. It's in this quick, quick first clip here.

Tommy, what are you doing? I'm changing the batteries in all the remotes. We're all out of AAA, so I'm'm gonna whittle down a couple of these D's I'm gonna sleep on the couch. She sure loves that couch What a viscerally unsettling idea coupled with a perfectly viscerally unsettling sound. Wow, is it funny? It's uncomfortable. Yeah. There are funny jokes in this episode that I despise.

It's a great comedic concept, whittling batteries, and it also, we never see the results, but it seems to work. Yes. And Marge is so used to it now. She's like, you're getting acid in the bed. She's just like, please. My favorite line is, she sure loves that couch, implying she's sleeping there most nights these days.

And Homer just doesn't register that that could be a problem. There's two deleted scenes on this DVD for this one, and the first one is this scene. Here, why don't we hear it to hear a worse version of this scene here. Why don't we hear it to hear a worse version of this scene? You're getting acid in the bag is it turning you on no you've changed Marge I'm gonna sleep on the couch

Maybe I should go after her. Yeah, that's a great thing about being married. You've got the rest of your life to apologize. Hehehehe. Yee-hee. Hehehe. Again, they love sticking it to marriage. Yes.

I love the sweet obliviousness of Homer. Well, kind of like the passive aggressive obliviousness of Homer, other than him being able to identify what's wrong with the marriage. I prefer him being slightly more clueless instead of just like, I'll apologize tomorrow, I got all the time in the world. Yeah, there is a lot of those. Those are like those underlining marriage problem kind of deals here that they ascribe to Homer.

He's savvier in this episode about certain things and kind of willfully neglectful to Henry's point as opposed to sort of idiotically not available. Also in that deleted scene, you can hear the temp version they have for skinning the battery that they improved upon sound-designed-wise. Greatfully. It makes my teeth hurt to think about it. It's like anti-ASMR. It's like everything wrong. So we go to the kickball field for a quick little gag. You know, to the extent that I

enjoyed any sport as a child, I liked playing kickball. All right. It was a good time. I loved that sound. Maybe it's just also aesthetically, I liked the feel of those red rubber balls. I liked them. And another use of the music from the natural. Oh, yes. Or perhaps a sound-alike. I forget what they do. If it Oh yes. Or perhaps a sound-alike. I forget what they do. If it's the same music or a sound-alike.

But it's one of the most used cues in The Simpsons. It's gotta be the 12th time. I'm gonna say it's the real one just because they are so like, Gene always says that it's like free to use or relatively free because like Fox owns it or something. Anytime anyone steps up to a plate for any reason, you'll hear The Natural music being played. Anytime anyone steps up to a plate for any reason you'll hear the natural music being played That we really took it to the natural on some podcasts where they did too many natural. Oh was it Homer at the bed? I think it was that's a lot of yeah

I've actually still never seen the natural Well people only reference the last five minutes Steve and you're good with just watching that honestly, it's it's kind of a drag Yeah, not a big baseball guy not the world's biggest Redford guy either. I like Redford in a lot of stuff. He's not somebody that can get my ass into a seat. Bob directed me to the amazing Roger Ebert review of it, which is great, especially because he just spoils the ending of the film.

The main crux of the review is spoiling the movie and saying how it ends, and now he hates it. We also see that Willie runs over the kickball and assumes that he has killed a child for at least a second time as he runs off to Mexico slash Venezuela. I like this band. It is so grotesque in its own way of just seeing the red gore and being like, oh no, I killed another kid. And it feels more Classical Simpsons than some of the other stuff that we're going to see in this episode, I think.

Yeah, the solution of fleeing to Mexico was an early runner in the show. They're bringing it back a little bit. Obviously, there are so many times in the show where they've done jokes of character runs away and then they're back. So I'm not saying this was intentional, but he doesn't really appear in the rest of the episode. It's like they're writing out, Willie, He's one of your better foils in episodes about the school. Why doesn't he date Edna instead of comic book guy? Obviously, then

you can't do a Comic Con ending. That's why, but I'd rather see that story. On the record, Edna says you don't want to know what that guy's into. Oh, yes. That's true. That's true. Also, barely any Chalmers. Or maybe go after Leopold. That guy's pretty, you know. Hey, look, that dude looks thick, is all I'm going to say.

You know what I mean? He can set up skits. Oh, you know what? Yeah, Edna should have had a situationship with Leopold in the past. A lot of U-up texts, et cetera. So we go to the classroom. This is where Edna's celebrating. Well, first, they announce that they have all these secondary games, including, I think, So we go to the classroom, this is where Edna's celebrating.

Well first they announce that they have all these secondary games, including I think base game is my favorite. The Millhouse gets horribly injured in Dodge Rock. You know it's hard to make out what he's saying, but I frinke-yacked this and then I looked on captions, it's base base. Oh base base, okay. That's better. I like that better.

Not like rock based ball games because the school's one ball is now destroyed And Milhouse nobody even cares that Milhouse gets horribly injured anymore in the show like they really just falls down Oh wait, just so no one yells at me. It is base game. I'm incorrect Okay, all the comments are rolling in I could feel them in the future this is where also more of I felt the regressive gender stuff comes in here cuz like This is where also more of I felt the regressive gender stuff comes in here cuz like Edna She's not been a like I got a land him skinner like she was in no rush to marry him up until the Epcot episode Yeah, yeah part of the sweetness of the relationship is well He was a virgin at I believe 44 years old and she's like, let's let's take it slow

We don't need to rush this it was it's a very sweet pairing of this very experienced woman in this very inexperienced man That's what made it so special and fun and here. It's like I need to get married. I need to tie this man down Yeah, it's your point is a nice curveball from the end that we saw in earlier episodes with the drumsticks You know what I mean for example or you know what I mean like I forget what there's a great joke somebody Oh, I forget who's going to date her. It's like, you only get one chance with a necrobopel. Oh, Sideshow Bob. Sideshow Bob, yes, exactly.

And that's a really funny joke because at that point she was somebody that was known to be pretty sexually promiscuous. And to your point, yes, it's incredibly sweet in that episode to make her patient with him and like be like that side of him, you know what I mean? As opposed to being a raging sex pot, but then yes, she turns into a 1950s kind of housewife here, like, I landed a man, I'm gonna bait him, stuff him, and put him on my wall, and yada yada. He's trapped.

Yeah, she won't celebrate until he is trapped. I mean, we get to this all the time, but there are divorced men in this writer's room doing this, and few women. You know, some pre-divorced men, let's say, too. Sure. Things happen. I mean, I'm not throwing any shade or anything, but you could tell, especially with the writing of Dana Gould,

he has certain feelings about marriage. He's had some marriage issues. He's very, very happy now. I'm sure he has a much better stance on marriage today, but you can kind of see some of these issues coming out in the writing around this time. No, and hey, and Al Jean seems to be very happily married now as well. I think he's about to be remarried with Stephanie Gillis, another writer on the show. We'll note the turn of like, oh, okay, Al Jean's remarried now. Maybe we'll note when there's not as much hate towards marriage or wives. I also just feel like it's a waste of, Marcia Wallace, we only got so many more episodes of her and it just feels like a waste to her and that she's so great. It's

just too bad. Yeah. Again, the bleeding in of Skinner's reticence is sort of a thing. I know it's a comedy show, it's totally fine. Why they wouldn't have a normal adult conversation. Do you not want to get married? What are we talking about? I do like that she does sort of stand up for herself after all of his sort of, like, you know, again, eye-rolly, like, I guess she beat me down in some position. She's like, no, fuck this, I'm going to get out of here. But what she chooses to do and how it chooses to present itself is a bit of a betrayal of what we know from the character and the relationship. It's all in service of a Billy the Big Mouse Bass reference.

Very hot in 2004. Oh yes. Well like this is like two or three years after it was like a soprano's plot point. It's an old reference to do on TV by now. And you know what, they didn't even spring for like him to sing Don't Worry Be Happy or Take Me To The River, the songs Billy sings, of course.

And so we get a public domain shanty. So we first see the party for the bachelor party of Edna Billy Zings, of course. And so we get a public domain shanty. So we first see the party for the bachelor party of Edna and they're having like, it feels like a Sex in the City style cocktail party, I wanna say. I think here they have the board game libido that they're about to play, the sexy word play game, which is a very funny idea. And for whatever reason Selma is wearing her S earrings.

Probably S is for sex at the sexy party. Yeah, they're having like whatever, just very sexual themed drinks is the idea, right? See now that we're in our 40s, like the party games, they're more about the Cards Against Humanity type, or honestly they're about lying or being allowed to say dirty words around friends Like they're not so much the sexual games living in I guess this is more about at the women's only party So they get horny apparently a hen do they call that in England? I found out they call it a hen do Do would be a party understand and the hens go to it. I assume women are known as birds up there Yes, exactly. There is an amazing, if you can find it,

I had surgery last year and I was laid up and I was watching a lot of bad television. There's something called Don't Tell the Bride. It's an English show where a couple that's engaged, they give the groom like $10,000 to plan their dream wedding, but the bride has no idea what he's doing. And like, it's a full on car crash.

And A, like you get great, amazing, like really really selfish I'm spending most of my money on my bachelor party thing with the stag night and all this shit it's fantastic big recommend on that and that's why I know they call it a hen do is it well she's gonna go for the hen do we'll do the stag night over here the hens will do the hen do so stags and hens as long as we're all animals They also list all these sexy cocktails I was trying to think of the newer sexy cocktails though I'm not much of a cocktail expert, but the most recent ones I've heard about pickle back shots I you know back shots, but a pickle back shot where you have pickle brine with a shot. Yes, so wait, that's sexual

Well, you know back shots shots, Bob, or, you know. Oh, well, like, a pickle back is just, like, a little shot of pickle juice you drink. Yes, yeah, but I'm bringing in a back shot, meaning, you know, having a busty. Explain this in explicit detail, Henry. Are they tainting my delicious pickle shots? I've heard them called pickle back shots,

and I assumed part of that was the interpretation of a back shot. I think you've got a dirty mind, Henry Gilbert. Well, I should have been kept away from the bar just like the children are as Mark sent them to Abe's. That's a good joke, actually. I do like the Abe one. See how many Germans, all these Germans I killed,

boy did they scream, how do you sleep at night, they drug us. Yeah, cheerfully, they drug us. Yeah. Cheerfully saying they drug us. He doesn't even look at her or think it's weird. I like any joke we've brought up before too, of how the greatest generation had all of this PTSD, they just buried so deeply. They're like, yep, we really toasted their waffles, just they don't think about it.

This is where things get a little more sexual for both parties. It's another pair of edible panties. Now that's sexual. Homer, this bachelor party seems to have peaked. Would you please return my pants and or underpants so I can go home? Come on, it's your last night of freedom. You gotta have some fun. Who are all of you people?

We're your buddies. Now come on, Homer's Kids Principal. Have a beer. I can't. I might be called upon to give directions later. Skinner! You were asked to chug a lug, and a lug you shall chug. to chug a lug, and a lug you shall chug.

There's something I've wanted to say to you for a long time. Am I a good principal? You're the best we could get with the funds at our disposal. Yeah! Oh! I also like the, I guess Edna's friends with Lindsay Nagle, like, I mean, there's only so many women in Springfield But I do like hanging a hat on the it's a TV trope of like well who would be at skitter's bachelor party

Well, everybody we know you know what I mean? It's supposed to like friends of his or whatever family I love hanging a hat on that with Carl being like come on Homer's Sons principal. It's a funny gag, get out of bed. And I do want more Chalmers here. I love the Chalmers skitter dynamic and him at a bachelor party. That's rife for comedy, just sitting right there, sitting on the table. Even though I don't like the turn this episode takes in the end, I think it is true to his character. He is very stiff, he's very needy, and he is sort of talked into hating marriage

by these guys while he's drunk. That's really the inciting incident. So it's not coming from any kind of personal concern because he has nothing else going on. There's no reason why he shouldn't want to be married to Edna. TG And keep in mind, for the rest of this scene, he is bottomless. So just know that Skinner's dick is out as he's having all of these conversations here. I also like he says like, Oh, I might be asked to give directions later. Like, that's why he won't drink at this.

I think too, it does fit that Skinner would like, ask a very needy question when drunk. Like, that's all he would do, is not finally stick up for himself to Chalmers. Have they ever, because I know obviously we've updated, you know, when Homer and Marge met like dozens of times, very famously, we've talked about, have, when Homer and Marge met like dozens of times, very famously been talked about. Have they ever like updated the Skinner Vietnam thing or like, you know what I mean?

Is he a Gulf War veteran at this point? If he was a Vietnam vet, he'd be in the 70s, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't think they have, although they've done a lot of flashback episodes where they flashback to the 90s or the 2000s. But I feel like that's something they're leaving untouched. The same with Abe's World War II service. They're just not acknowledging it anymore instead of making it a different war that they fought in. I think it was like three years ago I last noted a new episode where Abe being a World War II vet mattered and they had to kind of just say out loud, he's like a hundred, right? But Skinner, yeah, I am racking my brain.

And Skinner's used a lot less than Abe these days, partially because Harry Shearer doesn't talk so much anymore in the show. We got to Duff Man being the stripper. I got to say, these male stripper jokes are a little, I expect better of Simpsons. This is kind of like average like male stripper jokes. I mean, $30 an hour for Duff Man. Honestly, he's a big celeb. I'm thinking this is a fake Duff Man. He's one of Duff Man's helpers, but he's only just there for free sandwiches. It is just very Pat. It's just sort of like, yeah, there he goes. And the cop who has to do the dance,

it could be any cop. And it's not even a great Wiggum joke. You know what I mean? I do like the Ned part of it that he did, obviously, call the cops on them. That's the closest to real simsony it gets in this moment. And they hold back on Ned saying anything. They do the joke with a look from Ned that he said, strip diddly yipper. But yeah, I think there should be one extra turn. The cops, I guess it's funny that it's Wiggum is the one who gets into it and the ladies are loving the largest man in Springfield undressing for them. But it feels, and maybe he is impressed by a $5 bill is also kind of sad, but I want

one extra thing to it. I don't know. Well, maybe this is to your point about the being drunk in Seps Skinner's mind. Maybe we're setting up here that I'm giving way too much credit and is into bigger dudes. That's why she's so into Wigam. And then she's like, hey, I like this big dude. This guy's enormous. He's working at a comic book store.

I'm so excited. You know what? You're right. This excited her. It showed her seeing Wigam shirtless influenced her to finally explore this now after Skinner's gone Obviously that's not written into the story. No way even in any way What she really needs is a hunk well hung hunk like Ned Flanders. That's right taking that shirt off for hashtag Nedna We were all tweeting hashtag Nedna back in 2011, right?

Yeah an entire season long cliffhanger or. An entire season-long cliffhanger, or not a season-long cliffhanger, it's a summer cliffhanger. Yeah. Eddie and Lou join in as well, and Duffman's grabbing a free sandwich though. You don't keep abs like Duffman eating too many of those sandwiches.

Wicom should be going for the sandwich. That is, I guess, the subsidy part of it is that Duffman quietly just eats and isn't threatened because he's getting paid anyway. That's sort of something. Meanwhile, speaking of strippers, we tease that there could be a stripper and of course, Skinner turns it down. I did like the shot of Skinner. Mark Kirkland directed the episode and he's one of their most experienced ones. So there are some good like, it's not exceptionally animated, I'd say, but there's some good shot setups, including

viewing through the bottom of the beer glass as Skinner downs it. I appreciated that too. It is sort of, it gives the scene some texture as opposed to the flat, just the flatness of Moe's bar that we've seen a million times. Yeah, they're kind of staged like Muppets in this scene, where it's just the waist-high wall and all the characters are behind the, and it's the bar, and all the characters are just behind it. It's like the

Staging is very flat in this scene So I do it like you said the having a nice choice like cutting to skin or draining the glass as it from a dead-on Shot it's very nice and you can also see the black stick to move their arms a bunch Well, that wasn't on my Disney Plus version They did show you a full shot of their bodies you'd'd see Skinner's balls. Like that's the they gotta avoid it This is where they were going to hire you save strippers if we send your daughter It's free so we get another like sad gross joke there But yeah, I chuckled I chuckled Skinner bars all friction dancing though

This is where we hear more about how marriage is horrible in our next clip Hey, take it easy on Skinner. He's just down because after tomorrow, everything he does is wrong. Oh, marriage is going to be great. Now you'll have someone who'll rub your back without being asked. Not this again.

Yes, this again. You know, Homer, Edna was bugging me and bugging me to set a date. And I picked one that seemed far away and it zoomed up like a dune bug flying at my windshield. What are you trying to tell me Skinner? Homer, Lenny, my man, I can never lie to you guys, I'm starting to get cold feet. Please don't tell anyone. Don't worry. Your secret's safe with me.

Marge, guess what? Skinner wants to bail on his wedding! Homer, you're still talking to me. Oh man, is this awkward. I'm outta here. Homer is in bad shape here. Homer is in bad shape here. I do like the retrograde, my man, joke. I mean, look at if he's a Vietnam vet. It reads very 70s to call a black guy that you know, my man. I enjoy that bit of this joke. And I do love the, again, simpsoniness of cutting to Homer telling exactly Skinner what he shouldn't be telling him when you think it's a cut to something else.

This part of the episode works aside from the fact of the retrograde-ness of the whole thing. You kind of want Skinner to chuff against it at the end. That would be the end of the episode, as being like, oh, all these guys put this stuff in my head and all I want is that, you know, da da da da da and that kind of a thing. The cheat to reveal he's in the same room is very funny But this so we talked about a millhouse divided. This is the worst version of that it's also kind of a worse version of a fish called Selma because this is just like the scene where Homer is talking to Troy McClure in the bar. They're both drunk and Troy McClure reveals

Here is the truth about this sham wedding And then Homer has to keep that secret. And here he immediately blabs thinking he has teleported home. But it's a worse version of that. And the benefit of A Fish Called Selma is the Simpsons are on the periphery. And that was one of the few times they were able to do that that early in the show. Season 30 onward, they're willing to take risks and not really involve the Simpsons. But that was like the one standout. But like we talked about with The Bell's Divided, we have to cram Margin Homer in there somewhere.

Yeah, Bob, thank you. I didn't think of that. It's even in Moe's, it's in Moe's Tavern. It's in Moe's, yes. Yeah. Oh my God. And the joke is better in Fish Called Selma. And I do like that Homer just says it to Skinner's face and it shows he's blackout drunk, but it is funnier in Fish Called Selma because Homer actually doesn't interrupt the wedding and only in bed afterwards does he say that to Marge and reveal what he knew.

It also should be mentioned that this is right after we did the episode where Homer is a pure alcoholic who drinks all the time and frames Marge for a DUI. And now we have another DUI joke right here in the very next episode. A lot of fun. We also have the Barney bit of, you know, now he's back. If Barney never got sober, the drunk jokes wouldn't be quite as dark, I feel like. You know what I mean? Like the idea of getting sober and relapsing so hard, it gives the character too much dimension

and it gives the story an extra layer of sadness even though we get a, man are we still doing Harvey jokes in the year 2004. Holy mackerel that was somebody like that movie. I'm glad that we're here to translate that joke though. Yeah, for the kids. Now once you do an episode where Barney sees himself clearly as like, Oh, this is what people think of me. Like it's much more tragic to go back to it,

but they don't fully embrace that tragedy either. And here's more joke court I'm going to bring into session here. They have an establishing shot of the house is fine and Homer's car is parked where it is, but then they want to have a cut to where Homer points out that his car is on the fritz, but it's upside down. But it's like, I don't know if that's lazy or it's an intentional incongruity to make it funnier. It's hard to tell if it's sloppy or intentional.

I would think Homer just got up in the middle of the night, went out to drink more, and then crashed the car after returning home initially. I think you just have to ditch the establishing shot if you're going to go for this joke. You know what I mean? It's season 15. You've established the Simpsons residence. I will know what living room I am in when I see it. You've got two big reasons to watch a Simpsons Sunday Spectacular, a guest appearance by

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And that's where we get the opening gag that Duff Man's been there all night, never put his clothes back on, so he's rubbing his balls on their furniture, nobody cares. I do like how Zaria plays it, of just like, oh yeah, like he's remembering his catchphrase. Oh, you know what, they did bring back his theme song too,

that they hadn't used in a while. Yeah, they paid for yellow. Maybe that's why they couldn't afford Take Me to the River. The numbers, they just couldn't crunch those numbers. They had to pay for the tokens and yellow in this episode. You would think that's the end of the act, but it almost feels like an act break joke, but we're still in act one. We're at the wedding being held in the school gymnasium This is where Homer and Bart are this also just feels like a joke that would have been in the honey mooters of like

Oh, he's got cold feet. He's gonna be he's a runner like this feels like a regressive for 2004 He's eyeing the exit and doing calf stretches. I did immediately think of isometric exercises care to join me. Sorry Yeah, it's just it's also too cute with the kids. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there's such a meanish episode. Like, I guess it's fun. Look, the cute parts of this episode are kind of irk me, like this and the singing of all the... It doesn't use the kids as sharply

as they often are used in Skinner and Agnes episodes. You know what I mean? It's very little rascally, you know? Yeah, it's kind of like a Rugratsy thing where the kids are in adult roles with the stand ins for what the adult things would be like the sniper has a water balloon yes exactly it's very very cute Edna arrives and this is where Otto is clearly very high and saying everything is beautiful this is the only other deleted scene Otto says different things when they pull up in our next deleted scene.

Don't worry, I got a man on the perimeter. Del Bunga 1 to Fatload. This is Fatload. I'd like to request a new code name. Denied. Okay, Fatload here. Here comes the bride. Repeat, here comes the bride. Copy that. Looking good, Mrs. K.

You know, if Skinner were my boss I'd take you home and make sweet sweet love till my parents get home from Phoenix. Thank you Otto. Do you have a sister or an aunt? I like that his parents are away in Phoenix and that's why he's got the open. I mean Otto this is sexual harassment this is a co-worker, Otto. Come on. They're in different unions. It's true. You know what, it's safe then.

I like the button of or an ant also is pretty good, you know, because it's like, it lets you know why he's into Agnes, or why he's into Edna. It's just like, hey, the older the better. Keep it going. This is where they approach Skinner. It's a good skinnery line of, you know I'm not.

We had a long discussion where I clearly indicated the coldness of my feet. This is where Edna overhears it, and I like the design of her Jetson's future that she sees with her and Skinner. And Agnes coming in as she still isn't dead, even when they're like a. She's still- In my notes I have Agnes is a spider robot for some reason. That's a good Simpsony for some reason. It's very Smithers is a dog of the future and the Planet of the Apes future kind of a thing. I like the Jetsons core of it all here is a very fun thing. But I also think that the writing isn't perfect here. I think there's definitely a better joke of do you want to put our CD collections together. I don't know what that

joke is, but if I was in the writers room, let's do that one again. Let's just find a better metaphor here. Like I said, I like the larval sack fell in the toilet. You have to fish it out. I'm going to use your purse to do it, which is pretty funny. My husband is not one for physical media these days, so we barely had any things to mix. Meanwhile, I have many, many pieces of physical media. Guests of our podcast can see the Gilbert collection. Yes.

So, I don't know about you guys' new relationships, but there isn't much CD collection mixing to argue about. If I could do it all again, not that I would, but having a big physical media collection and then marrying as big of a one is just a fucking disaster. Especially in New York real estate, it's just like, there's just no room here. I had a medium-sized collection and I married someone with a smaller collection,

but now I'm getting her to buy things too. So it's just creating a problem for both of us. It's that four days disposable income, no kids, let's get some shit in this house. Let's do it! 4K, a new way to buy movies, and it's more expensive. And this will be the last format. I was tricked two other times.

The clarity is much more crystal now. I was even today, there's a Criterion, one of those half off Criterion sales, and my nerd ass was like, ooh, they don't have this in 4K, do they? Interesting. There's a few of those over there. Now Barry Lyndon can sit on my shelf in 4K instead of the regular little Blu-ray from Criterion. So this is where Edna realizes

that it's just not going anywhere and she calls it off. We are gathered together today to join Seymour and Edna in holy matrimony. Does anyone present know any reason why these two should not be wed? I do. No, you say that part later. I'm sorry Seymour. I can't marry someone who doesn't want to be with me. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh! We got a runner.

Snipers, take your shot. Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh! I can't do it. That dress is a Vera Wang! Edna! Mm. Mm. Oh!

Oh! Sniff, sniff. Is this corn oil? Canola! How'd she afford a Vera Wang? It's a lame joke. I think it's probably the only designer dressmaker the Simpsons writers have heard of, perhaps. Also the great Marsha Wallace, you think about some of the better heart-rending, Bartholover,

you know what I mean? Those deliveries are just brutal, and it's just not here. That's not her. That's the writing. That's the, I guess I'll do this. It's just very broad sketch comedy. Boo hoo! And it's tough to watch. With better material, she could do much better, and we know this. 06 Yeah, you can feel she's making the most of it, but this is not the episode that is going to win her an Emmy like Barts Lover did. Yeah, actually, there's a few other lines in this one

that are just like, no, that was funnier in Barts Lover. Or Bart the Lover, sorry, I think I said Barts Lover. Oh yeah, that's a different episode, Barts Lover. That's not on Disney Plus anymore. It's buried with Michael Jackson, though, thankfully. Also, right before that, I should have have mentioned he brings up the battle of caisson Which I guess is the only Vietnam specific in the episode two and the canola oil Balloon, that's all right. I guess he gets cleaned up very quickly after that, but even corn versus canola

I just I don't get the joke. It's just sort of is it random. No, it's random like. Got it. It's a new thing to be hit with in terms of water balloon filler. But yeah, you're right. I mean, I guess the joke is he's very specific about the kind of corn oil and that it's going to immediately detect what it's had to do simple and too complicated at the same time. I don't know how to feel about it. I don't like that the later the second act is about wondering why Edna does it or everybody's judging her for it when she makes it quite clear. Skinner has said he doesn't want to marry her and she doesn't want to marry someone who doesn't want to marry her. That moment, that turn when Nelson's given her guff just kind of doesn't read like anything.

You know what I mean? I don't know why. Nelson has a really clear through line here, but just that he's sticking up for Skitter for some reason as opposed to... He would be making fun of it. They would be papering his car and calling him a loser. That would be fun. Yeah. I also feel like the show is much better than an unironic Bros Before Hos. Yes. Yes. Even if it is a kid repeating something they've heard, it just feels like, I don't want to hear Nelson say this.

You say Rugrats. They wouldn't say that line in rugrats, but it is like a kid shouldn't say this thing. It's a kid say the darnest thing kind of thing, which is too cute. Too cute. While certainly dated for several reasons, the opening bit of everyone guessing that either Skinner or Edna is a different gender, I do like the statement of they're both both. It made me chuckle. I like it. One of two trans jokes in this episode,

so that's not so fantastic. Knives are out, ladies and gentlemen. It really ought to be found a new group. Uh-huh, exactly. We're getting close to the jokes of like that gay men are all trans also, where we're getting close to those gags in this season. Or maybe that's next season,

but regardless, this is where Skinner apologizes that Edna has gone from tardy to absent. And we have a nice deep reference of the use of the Larry Davis experience who have been around since the first episode. Yeah, the first produced episode, Some Enchanted Evening, and every time, like every three years,

they're redesigned, I feel. Yeah. Because they're, like everyone else in season one, they're very freakish when you first see them, when Marge and Homer are dancing. Though they clearly have a new singer leading the band here to sing Just the Two of Us, which I at least like that Skinner paid a very small amount of money to dance and would rather dance by himself than, I don't know, leave or go away. I mean, mean, if the

wedding's not happening, all the food's there anyway, so everybody should. I would say, let's party, folks. But you don't have to stay. Skinner can let everybody else. Well, here's a question just on a technical level. Is this a jilting or is this a walk away? Because to me, jilting is not showing up. You know what I mean? I feel like, but to come in and then leave, have you been jilted? Is it a true jilting? If only I had seen the film Runaway Bride. This probably is very well defined in that movie.

Does she run back? I believe at the end of the movie, she does run back. As my mom explained the plot to me once, I think she does end to back up with Richard Gere at the end. She does, yeah, but yeah, just to get in, to get out, I don't know. And this, we have the sad dancing, and then also like Edna sets up kind of an easy joke

of just like, this is the circulatory system where the heart is. Oh, like your heart, I was like, this is, have another level, like rewrite this. We're looking for good things to mention. I'll bring one thing up. I think it's a nice little bit of observational animation that when Homer is dancing at the reception, Lisa is like standing on his feet.

It's the very classic like dad dancing with his daughter where the daughter's just standing on his feet and they're doing a little fun dance. So I don't know if that was in the script, but it's a fun detail. Yeah, for sure. I like that. And you know what, Homer coming coming in with yeah, he's crazy All right as the just reflecting on what Skinner's doing. It's a good little end to the scene I like that too, but yeah, Nelson's giving her guff. You know, it's just a big no

I mean at least Edna points out she's like Nelson you're being written inconsistently. You would not side with Skinner. You hate that guy and in fact Just in the previous scene, you water ballooned Skinner rather than me because you seemingly agreed with her, not Skinner. And now he, I mean, I know it's a joke about sexism of bros before hoes, like I guess that's defined, but it sucks, yeah, I do not like it. This is where Marge arrives and she's trying to talk Edna into doing what Marge often does,

which is trying to get couples back together. So how are you holding up? Actually I feel fine. Why should I settle for someone who's not passionate about me? Oh, passion's for teens and immigrants. I'm just glad to have someone to look at when I wake up in the morning. Really? Well.

Unkink the hose. Sure, there are downsides. But a relationship can't be all handholding and restaurant desserts. Why not? If I can't have romance and excitement, then what's the point of being married? Well, it's in my case.

Homer again, blackout drunk. He could be any crazy thing here, but he's blackout drunk again. They're scratching at a, well, why is Marge with Homer? But they're never going to answer that in this episode. You know what I mean? It could even be as lame as like, well, the kids and he's such a great dad and blah, blah, blah, you know what I mean? Like he provides for us or something. Just, they just uninterested in whatever that answer is. And then why ask the question? I feel like this staff should have watched grade school confidential again,

because the reason why Edna loves Skinner is that he's reliable and consistent. And she's tired of this life of, you know, rolling the dice as a single woman single woman and wondering like well the next person I go out would be a total freak or not It seems like Al Jean hates it without watching it Just hates the idea of Skinner and Edna together and that desserts joke that reminds me I think it was on curb your enthusiasm around this time There was a plot line about how Larry David, or maybe it was a Seinfeld episode, I'm mixing it up. The storyline or the plot was like his wife wanted to go to a second restaurant to get dessert and thought that was romantic

and he thought that was crazy. It's like, get a dessert at this restaurant. It seemed like that was going around with comedy writers back then, anger at second desserts. I mean, I do like the idea, you know what I mean? You're talking about restaurant dessert It's just sort of like this immigrants is a bit of an odd one, but it's kind of funny You know what I mean? It's like us white people must suffer that they could be swarthy and love each other ours is a prudish way You know what I mean that kind of a thing meanwhile Skinner is sad in a way that references season one Speaking of the season one references with the Larry Davis experience. Oh God I've lost the love of my life. Bart's right, I am a wiener.

Geez, Homer, this guy's bringing the whole bar down. I finally got Barney back on the sauce. If he doesn't have fun, he could easily slip right back into sobriety. Don't worry, if I feel the urge to sober up, I'll just talk to my sponsor! Drink or I'll die! Steve called it earlier a reference to the 1950 movie Harvey, based on the play of course, and I love when we watch these later episodes tracking the last reference to something ever in pop culture.

This could be the last Harvey reference. I remember I watched this movie because my stepdad once told me what the movie was about. It's about this drunk guy who talks to an imaginary six foot tall rabbit or like eight foot tall rabbit. I thought this sounds insane. I need to see this movie. Then it's just a very pleasant heartwarming romantic comedy basically. Because you don't even see the rabbit in it, right? No. That's part of the bit.

That's what I thought. This summer Chris Evans is Harvey or something. Maybe John Krasinski can be the rabbit, something even worse than that, possibly. Oh yeah, was Harvey part of IF? Oh. That hasn't come up on We Hate Movies yet, Steve. IF, also longer title, IDGFF because I don't give a fuck. I just could not.

Possibly. Neither did the rest of the world? No, no, no, no, no. I guess in a canonical sense this episode makes it just like it ends, Skinner and Enda. This makes it official that Barney is drunk again. He is officially drunk again. There will be Barney is trying to be sober jokes still after this, but it seems the standard now is Barney is drunk again.

Like a lot's being reset in this one episode. Oh, so there was never a Barney falls off the wagon and that's a whatever thing. It's just sort of like little peppers here and there, I guess. They kind of announced it within the context of a song. So Lisa enters this world spelling bee competition and Barney spells out the word relapse to Aretha Franklin's R-E-S-P-E-C-T. So that was them kind of drawing a line in the sand saying, now he is a drunk again. Got it. That's interesting.

And Skinner only realizes he loves Edna after the penmanship thing. Oh yes, when he said Bart's right, I am a wiener. That's in Bart the Genius. he said, Bart's right I am a weiner, that's in Bart the Genius, that's what he says, I am a weiner, but as the graffiti that he gets punished for. So they did watch that episode. There you go. While Gene was there for that one. That's true, yeah. And it's written by his college friend John Veeley, so he respects it. Obviously Bill Oakley a couple years after him in Harvard and as we've said Josh Weinstein shamefully never even attended Harvard. Shameful Stamford is what we call it.

Unbelievable. That's disgusting. This is where we again get into like a corny sitcom plot of like it's the Cyrano de Bergerac plot line and I guess the spin is that it just it turns into both of them having an argument via Marge and Homer. Like that's where we go with it in a new way Though I also didn't love the joke of like you'll be my Cyrano Hey, if I get you like Homer thinks he's making a pass at him, you know that kind of like no homo comedy as well This is where Marge is trying to comfort Edna

Homer is trying to big up Skinner and this is where they both end up arguing with each other. Oh, God, it's Seymour! What do I say? You just say! It's too late! I'm free and lovin' it, Principal Skinner! Every second without you is like a million kicks in the crotch! Hmm, that's so lovely. But it's too late to win us back with sweet talk. What the? Marge, are you helping her?

I won't let Edna throw her life away for some passionless marriage where two people lie in bed together with no contact whittling away the batteries until they die. Which are you saying is dead? Our marriage or our batteries? Let's just say in an emergency, I wouldn't count on either one. Homer, Marge, if I could just speak to Edna for a moment.

Shut up. I didn't tell you to say that. Just why am I taking your advice? Because I'm successfully married. There's no ring on that finger. Uh-oh. Oh. Oh, why did I take it off?

Oh, right, to see if I could skip it across Lake Michigan. Though Homer never has a ring on his finger. It'd be too many details on his character design. Again, like in a better episode, this is when Homer and Marge's relationship becomes the forefront. Oh, it was a fake out. It's more about that they're not talking to each other, and yada yada, and like they're not having, and also like the weird, like

the specificity that they're not having sex at all is it's a very heavy spice to never pay off once again. It's just sort of like not touching each other as like a, Whoa, that's a nuclear comment. Yeah. It's, it's competing with the ending of a story they've been telling for the last 10 years. So we have this, we don't know which story to focus on really, the Marge and Homer one or the Edna and Skinner one, and neither one gets enough time. RG Again, trying to put canon on things that are not part of a canon or chronology and intentionally, but in the previous episode, Homer again did frame Marge for a DUI and

get her arrested. And so perhaps that and the fact that that episode ends with Homer saying he'll drink less. And then every joke in this episode with Homer is he's drunk. Perhaps that is why they haven't had sex lately. Perhaps, perhaps. So I guess Homer just doesn't have her wedding ring anymore. It's in Lake Michigan, I suppose.

Oh boy, then comes a turn. Oh boy. This sells out Edna's character so much. I really don't like this. I suppose. Oh boy, then comes a turn. Oh boy. This sells out Edna's character so much. I really don't like this. So like 14 minutes in, we are now in the big fat geek part of this episode. And again, I rewatched the scene a lot because I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt in saying, you know, there's something between them, but really it just seems like Edna is constantly misreading

his confessions about his life and pop culture as jokes. And's all there is to it she's just as charmed they point out later she's on the rebound which I guess makes sense but there's no I don't see the connection here that's never underlined that she is only fooling around with comic book guy to hurt Seymour you know what I mean like and that would be regressive in its own right but at least that's something as opposed to I don't know it's we called it a big fat geek wedding, we need a geek in here, we're going to do geek stuff, and the only way to do that is comic book guy, that's it. Marge makes the pitch later that it's like a bad rebound relationship, but I'd like Edna

to say something about that if that is what it is. She should later say, I made a mistake or I'm just doing this because the first guy to show interest in me, I jump back with him, even though it is comic book guy with a million red flags in his first moments with her. And she's sweeter to him than any other person in this episode, which is kind of off, because he never, I don't think he should have a third dimension to him. He's just, you know, a big, a nice vessel to make comic book and nerd jokes. And that's totally fine. But then don't give him this extra bit.

I think is kind of the problem. Hey, at his weight, he's up to a sixth dimension. Hey, there it is. And now he has a wife. They've talked about having children. He's become more complex 20 years later. Boy, that episode, too I've watched that one in the last few years of it's almost the same writing is like his future wife shows up at the comic

Bookshop and within 20 seconds. She's like I will marry you like there's no way they can realistically write someone falling in love with comic Book guy, but they don't even try like the woman in both cases The woman who is in love with comic book guy is secondary to the story of a man who is mad that he is marrying that woman Yeah, like even if she was like wow you own your own business Like I don't know like something that like he's got qualities that can be attractive to people Okay, you have pitched a perfect thing He is so sick of going to Skinner's house where he lives with his mother You have pitched a perfect thing. She is so sick of going to Skinner's house

where he lives with his mother. Comic book guy lives on his own and has his own business. Like these are, she should list qualities and make, that's a funnier joke, fuck. It's something, it's anything other than just, I mean the Incredible Hulk melon ball are not withstanding pretty fun, I enjoy it. Watching him poop out three perfect melon balls is great.

Who among us wouldn't laugh at that? Let's hear a love story for the ages beginning here. I'm glad you'll be able to enjoy it. I think you did the right thing. You didn't want your life to turn out like this. Oh, you're cute. Is there a Mrs. Comic Book guy? Well, I was married once in an online fantasy game.

We were thinking of having children, but that would have severely drained my power crystals. Oh, stop it, you big kidder. Ha, ha, ha. Yes. Kidder. Would you like to get some coffee? And a family bucket of chicken. And a family bucket of chicken. You've made it to my car and you haven't left. A new record. Oh, I love your black tinted windows.

Actually, they are trash bags. Now, could you give me a pushing start? I mean, there's no way that he isn't pushing off a ton of burrito wrappers from that passenger seat. A lot of random cans. It's a noisy car. Some jolt colas at your shin there. Yeah, I like the online fantasy game bit. That's kind of funny, you know what I mean?

Although Power Crystals isn't the right answer to that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, oh, or, you know, like, I would have to give up too much of my land for that. Or something, you know what I mean? Or something is closer to actually what you would do. But too many XP points would be kind of fun. Well, I have to admit now that I married my now wife in Final Fantasy XIV before we had our actual wedding

because of COVID. We were separated and we decided to have our characters get married first. Wow, see you're more emotionally mature than a comic book guy getting married. You did tie the knot online. And you can't have kids in that game. And our characters, if we played the game,

our characters would still be together, but we stopped playing the game like two or three years ago. I guess you consummated by summoning something pretty cool. Was that how that worked? Yep. Leviathan, let's say. That's the sexiest of the, well, now, there's probably sexier summons out there.

Ifrit's a sexier summon in Final Fantasy for sure I was a giant rabbit lady and my wife was a cat person Boy see this is these liberals want that's the wedding It's all Final Fantasy will all be sharing materia by the end of this Again, it is just is there a missus comic book guy by the way Just use a fucking Windex to get the dust off that joke. I cannot believe it. I do like a joke about 50s comic book covers.

I'll give it that. I like seeing a 50s romance cover drawn in the style of, say, John Romita, or perhaps. All right, geek time here. Well, actually, it's time for one of Al Jean's favorite songs to parody because they've also done this before. String quartet, are you tuned up? As tuned as we're gonna get in this humidity. And a castrati?

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bit of sweetness to Skinner begging through this song and I like hearing Shearer perform as Skinner because he doesn't do that that often in terms of doing a song. If the episode ended with Edna saying, oh you know what Seymour, let's take a little more time to figure this out, this would have been much better in light of a better ending But now it just kind of stands out as being a bit tacky. Yes, and then they are using the kids Again, this is very little cute The a Wimba way bit is just a little too much and then even having the kids in the closet at the end It's just sort of like I don't know. Maybe the kids do it

You know that in the critic season two in the desert storm flashback episode That's where they also sing this song And I like this performance. I'll compliment to Bob's right about cheer I also I think too that Nancy Cartwright is asked to sing as Bart and hit some famously hard notes to hit and I think does a good job Also, I'll credit Nancy for doing very good enunciation on door-cah, so it doesn't sound come back to the door, I think, but this is where we find out that,

see, I'm hating on Al Jean again. I really don't like. He's choking on his own rage. Well, I do not like that when it's revealed that she has had sex with comic book guy, on the commentary, Al Jean says, this would really not make me want Edna anymore. And a little judgy, don't like that.

Used goods. Yeah, exactly. Writers barely disguised fetish, the writers barely disguised grievances is another part of that coin, I think. Like, oh, you touched Comic Book Guy, I would never touch you again. Is there one woman in the room at this point?

Carolyn Omini still is still there. I'm thinking I mean at this point in 2004 is it just Carolyn Omini Yes, I'm sure I feel like there should have been if there were more women perhaps Yeah, she could only chuckle politely at half of this shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's your kind of role in that world I mean do the best you can. You're not moving the football that far. Because Edna is seemingly happy, but the joke is like, eww, she had sex with a fat guy. Yeah.

Although sleeping at a giant Spiderman shit, that made me chuckle. I'm going to make a stone here. The many folds. I gave away my 2XL Spiderman t-shirts, and I hope that they are warming the unhoused in Berkeley right now. And we also learned that Comic Book Guy, like Shaquille O'Neal, has a tattoo of Superman's

ass, which I think, you know, that bonds them as brothers, although Shaquille's a little cooler, it's on the bicep as opposed to on the ass there, you know, it's a bit tough. Him having a tramp stamp is something, yeah. Hey, tramp stamp, now who's judgy? I know I'm being regressive. I'm making a regressive joke here, too That's the year. I apologize. He has a lower back tattoo talking talking since it's gonna have a fucking field day I hate those guys. I Prefer to call it upper ass ornamentation. Oh, that's good Okay, I'll for ass ornamentation. I'll adopt that.

But also, I think if Carolyn Omine, which by the way, we interviewed her in the past, she talks a little about being the only woman in the writer's room and how she likes that it's different now. I can assume, but I don't want to put words in her mouth and speak for a woman, but listen to her for her interview. There's some good stuff in there. Yes, this is where comic book guy taunts Skinner from the balcony. Well, well, if it isn't the square in our love triangle.

What are you doing in Edna's place? Where is she? My beloved is napping blissfully in the many folds of my Spider-Man t-shirt. As for myself, I am popping kettle corn. This can't be happening. Oh, but it can. I adore Edna.

She is near mint and comes from a very limited edition. Females who will talk to me. Give her back to Skinner, a fat bald guy like you. You could have anyone. Forget you. Edna and I are in love. We're doing everything together. Breakfast, bath, and then the bi-monthly science fiction convention.

Enjoy me. The bi-month sci-fi con? You've heard of it? Is it romantic? Hey, women are put out just to get out of there. Grr! You know, I just caught that there that he says enjoy me as he's flashing his ass to them.

So, I just. I also think, like, we could find, and I know that that's not the perfect joke that women don't like comic books and thusly aren't allowed in these spaces, by the way. Maybe this is another thing, Edna liked Star Wars. You know what I mean? Even she's just like, oh, you know what? I really like those Star Wars movies.

At this point, only three or we're up to six at that point. That's okay. And then maybe he pushes it too far. I don't think Star Wars that much. You know what I mean? Something in that world, because then it would make some sense that they would have something to talk about ever.

Yeah, like Edna knows about one pop culture thing and finally there's somebody to indulge that with. I think they could ever be a fan of cosplay as well. That was, well we knew the term cosplay, but it wasn't so mainstream in the year 2004. You know, I tried to dress like Princess Leia for Skinner, but he was like too embarrassed or something like that. But oh, I'm way into that.

You know, like that's something. It shows it's an episode we don't like where we're constantly pitching jokes in it. Yes. Which is better. Decades too late, rewrite room for this episode. But they are going to the Bi-Mon Sci-Fi Con, last seen in season 10's Mayor to the Mob. And actually, we just covered a Futurama episode where they go to a similar Comic Con event

where Matt Groening is a guest voice. Yep. As they bring up on the commentary, they are all San Diego Comic Con veterans. They go out to New York Comic Con a little less. I mean, San Diego is relatively close to Los Angeles, so that's where they go. I've been to SDCC a few times professionally as well, as well as New York. I always preferred, I did like San Diego Comic Con, but when it's over, you're in San Diego, which is fine, but when you leave the Javits Center, hey, I'm in New York, baby, I'm walking here.

It is, but you do have to do that long, the geek march to the Javits. You have to walk to the water, and not to be a common-book-guy joke, but that McDonald's man gets hit up, there's a McDonald's like 25 yards from the Javits that is the peanut factory joke from Bart's Elephant. It's like, we've trained for this, people.

Yeah, I mean, hey, San Diego has got a great zoo, but I've never been to Comic-Con. I have to imagine there are larger, smellier animals there. Some of them dressed as animal people, though. Super people. Is that what Marge calls them, Sue? Oh, yeah.

Also, I would say, you know, I do believe Comic Book Guy would have a giant Spider-Man t-shirt, like I'm wearing now, but I think he would more have a Star Wars tattoo or a Marvel tattoo. I mean, I'm sure he likes Superman comics, but like, I don't know. He just seems more of a Marvel guy than a DC guy. Have a Dalek on his ass. You know what I mean?

That's fun. Well, this is before Doctor Who is almost about to have any saturation in America in 04, right? I don't know what happened. I can't stop hearing about Doctor Who now, and I just don't know where it came from. And you know, they have a fun aside on there that is on the commentary, which I really liked hearing, that where they talk about how they have the Spider-Man t-shirt looks like Spider-Man.

They're not having to do it periodically. They just drew it. And they imply that like Marvel up to 2011 had been pretty cool and just allows it. Oh, that's a funny joke. They allow it to happen. They talk about that they mentioned that the Bart Man merchandise that was early in the series, that DC Comics didn't like that. Then they're starting to make fun of DC.

Then Matt Groening is very quick to halt bad mouth. He's like, no, no, we made amends. Everything's cool with DC. He's trying to make sure they don't like fuck up a deal or something and obviously we're all under the same house now the house of mouse and We could do Maggie is Thor or whatever the fuck that is that's kind of fun for so zero people exactly that we talked about Bartman it's time for the return of Bart Tracy now that Disney owns

Bart interviews Bart Tracy, that'd be kind of interesting. And hey, I'll compliment Mr. Al Jean here for a very good dorky reference on the commentary. When Grating says he made a deal with DC to allow Bartman merchandise unimpeded, Al Jean jokes that he says, you had a race against Carmine Infantino around the world. I was like, wow, that is a good nerdy,

that in case you don't know, that's co-creator of the, or maybe just solo creator of the Silver Age Flash, Barry Allen. That is a deep pull. Yeah. Thank you for translating, Henry. Hey, it's what I'm here for. So we head to Baimon Sci-Fi Con.

Oh wait, now actually first, we get a little Margin Homer scene about how much they hate each other still. This is where Marge throws out the rebound thing, which is a good theory. I wish Edna, you know, reflected on that. Then we get a Jackie O reference, which I don't know, there's been better Jackie O references in Simpsons 2, such as like Homer saying, give her a break, her husband was killed. Many people saw her marriage to Aristotle Onassis as a betrayal.

Yes. Yeah, it's- Some swarthy Greek came in and stole her heart. I had an elderly teacher in college say, it was in like a mythology class, and she was talking about how the term, don't trust Greeks with bearing gifts was about Aristotle Onassis stealing Jackie Kennedy. I was like, I really think

that's about Troy, not that. A little older than that. We get a reference to Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen comics, the garbage comics of a boomer childhood. I was curious if you had a deleted scene for the for some reason when I watched this Homer's mouth just is nowhere near whatever he's saying here There must have been 40 bad comic book jokes and we landed on Jimmy Olsen's and Lois Lane's I don't know if I'm alone in that. Oh, yeah the ADR it was clearly line added like way after the fact I wonder what other references could have been there, but I guess there's no deleted scene for that, right, Henry? No, unfortunately, no.

This is another one. Season 15, I've only found one season 15 script out there. And it's actually for, it only got uploaded to Internet Archive after we did it. And this is like, they did a better joke of this in three men in a comic book, I'd say, too, where Lisa is able to get Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen comics for like nothing.

Of course, Jimmy Olsen comics, you know, you get some Jack Kirby's in there. They handed him that. That's where the fourth world began. Yes. That's where the first Prince of Darkside. The greatest villain ever. You know, Dr. Doom's above him for me.

But if I, but hey, pretty close, close second. And actually we're recording this right before tomorrow. I'm seeing that new Superman movie. We'll see. Will everybody be newly in love with Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen again? Or will they be too excited to see Beck Bennett as Steve, oh Steve Lombardo. Steve Lombardo, yes. That's where I was like, this might be my kind of, again, I haven't seen it yet. When Steve Lombardo's involved, I'm like, this is my kind of Superman. When

we're really going deep into the daily planet and you get your cat grants in there, maybe you get a Phil Troupe going. You know, that'd be nice. Well, they have Will He Be There. Ron Troupe, apologies. You can shoot me in the street, it's fine. Yeah, actually, I'm glad you brought up Ron Troupe because on another podcast this week we're recording,

I already have a little note about the history of Ron Troupe, the under-discussed Daily Planet member. I know about F Troupe. Does that help? I do like Homer's reply to Marge is just like, don't worry, Marge, we'll get something to eat. A good stupid Homer line. So we had to buy Monsign Fi con and you know what? I feel bad for the artists because they have a big crowd shot full of references in there, you gotta pause that, it's half a second. You gotta be quick on that pause button. Ron Troop will appear in Superman 2025, so thank God.

Good. Stop with those dastardly talking Talking Simpsons guys from yelling at us yet again. You saved us a Reddit thread, thank you Steve. I do wanna say, we're talking about Dana Gould's influence on the show being right at the time. I think this is why we see both Tor Johnson and Vampira in the crowd. He's probably one of the biggest Plan 9 from Outer Space fans in our modern age.

Oh, for sure. Like basically a patron slash caretaker to Vampira's actress late in her life. And I bring that up too because the writer of this episode's tombstone, Kevin Curran, I have seen it at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery and it is right next to Vampira's tombstone as well. Oh great, we can leave our joke suggestions for this episode directly on the grave. Yes, yeah.

You can also spot another iron giant in that crowd shot too I saw. It's like, it's the artists, the artists all have friends who worked on Iron Giant in that crowd shot too, I saw. It's the artists. The artists all have friends who worked on Iron Giant, so it's fun for that. They bring up as well that they've been to Comic Con a million times, and Mac Reigning, we talked about it on the Futurama, but yeah, Mac Reigning has been going to Comic Con since the early 80s when he was just an independent cartoonist. And this is the first time he was ever on the show, right, as a voice?

I think I Look, I thought yeah, I believe first and only him. I think he might be in a couch gag. Mm-hmm Yes, yeah, he doesn't talk in it. But yeah, you're right the puppeteering one. Yeah. Yeah So why don't we hear the first appearance of Matt graining on the Simpsons? Empty skin or anywhere. He's probably in costume. He could be any of these people. They're all too old to be dressed up like super people. Oh, well, let's just hurry up and go home so I can yell at you. Oh, my goodness, it's Matt Groening.

Ha ha ha ha ha. Wow! The creator of Futurama. Mr. Groening, will you autograph my Bender doll? Sure. I'm happy to give anyone my autograph. Anytime or anywhere. On the street, in a store, or on my private property.

But why be happy with just an autograph? What about an original sketch or snippet of my hair? And don't forget to pull my beard. They say it's good luck. I like any joke about how he is demanding to be bothered in public by fans from now on. And we did when we saw him in public at the table, Reed. To be fair, we were invited. It is an open invitation to bother him.

We took a picture, but didn't get the lock of hair yet or a drawing. Very genteel voice, by the way. And I just looked it up. He was in voice in three episodes. This one is the first. Season 21, he's in Homer the Whopper as himself yet again. And then season 23, he's a soccer presenter, apparently,

in Days of Future Past. I love that Millhouse calls him Mr. Groaning. That's a good one. Yeah, I think this is around the time, it took about 20 years but everyone started to know how to say his name. I know as a kid, I mean his name would be on all the merch, you know, legally it had to be there. He made a good deal with Fox. But I would just think like, Grayoning? Like how do you, there's too many vowels. I think I was calling him groaning for a very long time. Oh me too, yeah, I mean it's, that's how it's written down.

You had to read, back then you had to just read an interview where they would have to write down, graining sounds like complaining. I also like the graining on the commentary. He talks about how like this was easy while meanwhile 2007 or six he records dialogue for the Simpsons game or he is a boss in it And he said it was very hard and demanding He was not ready for how difficult it would be though. I love that level of fighting through his mansion is a really good

It's or it's a very funny idea. It's like a play wise. I don't remember especially in 2004 It was nice to see Bender because Futurama had been canceled for almost a year at that point. It was off of Fox for almost a year. It was canceled before that, but it was nice to see, oh, Bender is back on my TV. Great.

Futurama's like the couple that just kind of keeps getting back together. Like, you know what I mean? They get divorced. It's not going to take. They're like the J.Lo and Ben Affleck of television. I like that in this universe, he is known as the creator of Futurama.

That's how they meet him. And I also like that Milhouse seemingly just pulled out of his closet, his fallout boy costume that he had worn on the set of the Radioactive Band Poopy. Milhouse could be doing appearances for sure. It's a nice little side hustle. Oh man, yeah. He would totally be in the signing alley of just like, because people who were

like, I was in the unreleased Fantastic Four movie, like those people do make appearances. Yes. He'd be in front of a step and repeat. It'd be like in the $25 range, but you can get a picture. And really all Lenny needs is that orange wig to become George Stetson. It's crazy. That's a great design. Here's another being at a convention story. At the Anaheim Convention Center in 2022, that's when my husband and I went to the D23,

basically Disney's version of a convention. There was a Simpsons panel there and I went to it, it was really great, it was a lot of fun. I said hi to Carolyn Omini in person at it actually, I recognized her in the crowd and she was very nice. But while sitting with my husband, Matt Groening was walking by to go to an appointment, I did not want to bother him. But I was just noting, oh, there he is walking through a convention. And I

start giggling. My husband didn't know this episode. And so and with the ease of Disney Plus on my phone, I pulled up the scene for him and explained why I was laughing and seeing him walking around a convention and just thinking, what if I did ask for a lock of his hair? At this point. Can I tug on your beard?

And you know what, he wasn't wearing his official Simpsons crew jacket. I thought he always wore that in public, but he wasn't wearing it there. This might have been pre-beard era, Henry. He couldn't have tugged on your beard. You could have tugged each other's beards. A swab. Do a mutual beard tug in public. You gotta pay for era, Henry. He couldn't have tugged on your beard. You could have tugged each other's beards. Do a mutual beard tug in public.

You gotta pay for that, usually. So this is where they do spot Edna and Comic Book Guy walking into multi-purpose room B. I've been to several. I also was just at Magic Con in Las Vegas. They basically did have a multi-purpose room B where they were selling merchandise. It's limited stuff sold at Magic Con in Las Vegas. They basically did have a multi-purpose room B where they were selling merchandise. It's limited stuff sold at Magic Con. It really is most of the space, and it's a lot of space, is more for people to play

games of magic. The buying of cards is secondary to just hundreds of people all playing the games together. How much orange soda is being sold? A lot you think? You know, at that place, the dedicated pizza seller there was Papa John's. You couldn't buy any other convention pizza there, had to be Papa John's. You know, this Klingon stuff, it feels, I don't know, 10 to 15 years out of date.

It just, yeah, we get the bit with Klingons. In fact, they're just doing the same kind of Klingon jokes that Star Trek would do. It's just like, oh, here's a really crazy thing you just said, but actually, he said, I love you. It's just like, they're doing the same kind of Klingon jokes that Star Trek would do it just like oh Here's a really crazy thing. He just said but actually if he said I love you It's just like they're doing the same jokes that Star Trek had done It's it's not like really like parody or anything It feels like and we've got a my mom helping with my costume gag, you know, yeah, that's a bit of an old one I do like the battle whatever that triangle thing is of the Klingon homeworld

Fighting places. It's a nice well-observed detail. I don is of the Klingon home world fighting places. It's a nice well observed detail. I don't mind the Klingon minister, but that's a joke that works, and that it's like, we definitely got to bring that guy back, because it worked even a little bit. All this Klingon stuff, I definitely feel like they saw on A&E or something, or maybe it was in the Trekkies movie about real Klingon weddings that have happened with Star Trek fans. I definitely remember, it's been a minute since I've seen

the Trekkies movie, they definitely have a whole section about people who learn Klingon as a real language and dress up and do it, but I can't remember if there's an actual wedding in it. I don't think there's a wedding, I just saw the movie a few months ago, but they have a few scenes where you meet the guy who invented the language and then they go to a meeting where they're teaching the language

and different things you say. Here's another one. I have been to the Las Vegas Star Trek convention once too. Now that was for work. Not that I'm acting I wouldn't go to one, but I wouldn't travel to Vegas for it personally. That's not my personal geeky mania I would travel for. The only wedding officiant I saw there was,

it was a Star Trek Elvis guy who also officiates weddings. So that guy is very slimy. There's just no two ways about it. You know what he had, I'll give him credit. This was 2016. He had a rainbow flag on his arm. He would take the money of gay Star Trek fans who want to get married too. It's a good move, man. The green spins no matter what. Al Jean also mentions on the commentary he had a long conversation with Neil Adams at Comic Con 1. Steve, do you have any favorite comic pros you maybe have chatted with?

I actually met him. It was at NYCC. I got a couple prints from him. He's a really nice guy. It was one of those things where sometimes artist alley could be very... I like the guys that are off artist alley that just have their own booth that will do stuff. You know what I mean? Because artist alley can get really, really sweaty and really, really uncomfortable. So that's where he was and I wound up... Again, I was doing this very bad, unaired thing that was going to be for Major League Gaming and I was trying... But he was like, wow, you got a camera.

I'll talk to you. I was like, this is cool. I'm going to interview Neil Adams. And it just didn't come to be, but he did sign some stuff for me. That was really nice of him. I was just thinking of the late Neil Adams because I watched the Superman movie and the original 78 one. And the reason it says creator credit of Siegel and Schuster on it is because Neil Adams was one of the major, he was a major artist in the late 70s and he made it a very public crusade to get them payments and recognition

while they were very late in life. He helped make it a publicly known thing to like, hey, you know the guys who made Superman, they got super fucked over. Nobody even knows their names. A classic, you know, a guy that had the juice that actually was like, I'm going to use the juice as opposed to like, I got mine. He was very worker friendly, very much advocating for artist rights at least, royalties and all that good stuff. Definitely the Sigel Schuster stuff. You got

to pay it back, but not a lot of people will do that. Another fun story I have is, it's my husband's story, but while he was waiting in line to get signatures from the legendary comic making couple, Walt and Louise Simonson, behind him in line was the very funny comedy actor, Scott Adside was behind him in line, just as a fan to meet the Simonsons,

not making his own findings or anything. That's Scans, that's really cool. So the family comes in, they see that they're getting ready in their Klingon outfits. Edna did not change her clothes, but this is where I'll admit that it makes sense that comic book guy would be like, I need to rush to a wedding right now before she changes her mind. That scans. Yes. And of course he does it all the wrong way with this Klingon wedding. You know what I mean? Like it's just no one's going to say yes to this unless they're really into it.

But she just goes along with it without dialogue. I had that complaint before of like they have her be asleep in a scene where she could justify why she's getting with comic book guy to skin her. She's just asleep and not present for it. And here too, not much explanation of why she's going along with this. I guess her only stated reason is this guy wants to marry me. The end. Unlike you, Mr. Man. I get it. You're right. She's just obviously, as we all know about Edna, she's committed to marriage. She always had wanted a husband and now she's finally

get one. It's a consistent, long-running storyline with Edna. She's, you know what? It's never even brought up in here that Edna is famously divorced because her husband left her. That's why she's, Mr. Krabappel left her to chase something cute and fuzzy down a rabbit hole. He had an affair with their marriage counselor, I think that was the joke.

Yeah, right. That's what she tells Mr. Bergstrom, yeah. Bring any of that detail and again, utilizing a complete comic genius in Marcia Wallace, she'll do it. You give her those lines, she'll find a way to make it work. I think the show definitely, they've written more emotional things for her character posthumously than they've done in this episode. So this is where Skinner busts into break up the second wedding of the episode. Edna, the Klingons have a romantic saying, Krakta akta akta aah.

Awww. Roughly translated, it means I would kill the children of a thousand planets just to see you smile. Awww. That is the most romantic thing I've ever heard. Which is kind of sad if you think about it. Edna, I want you to marry me right here and now. If you marry me, we will honeymoon in Nebulon 5, also known as San Diego. No!

Hands off my fiance, Wide Ride. Why are you dressed like Catwoman? You- Oh, they told me it was Catman! Now prepare for some roughhousing. Do you think they had written the joke originally that it was like the Adam West catwoman costume he's in instead of the Michelle Pfeiffer one? Maybe. Yeah.

It feels like they're trying to humiliate him, so they're giving him the woman S&M costume, and I think that's what they landed on there. Complete with breasts, yeah. And I guess a big fan of the Suicide Squad was the standard catman. That, as we all know, is a yellow outfit with a red cape. You should have seen that coming a mile away. Yeah. Gail Simone's Catman. A great, he's a bisexual icon, that Catman. I mean, this gag here, I feel like they should go all the way when a fight starts between them. Where's

the Star Trek fight music? Yes, yes. Or conceptually, they could have this be a mashup of, it starts as a Star Trek fight, but then turns into a Batman 66, Wingman Pow fight. Like that's a deeper conceptual idea. Get a Bat-Less going here possibly. That'd be kind of fun. You know, just, yeah. It turns into like a silly,

we're both ninis slap fight thing. And like, hey, that's not even Skinner. Again, a Vietnam veteran. Like he's, you you know I think that he would in a real fight he would drop a comic man pretty easily you know that's yeah we saw his green bray training and I think it was Lisa the beauty queen meanwhile CBG would have a heart attack after his first step here I mean I do like the physical reality of the pain of him getting up and off his knee like that's realistic so here we have a very brief fight and

After this that Edna's just breaks it off and explains why she's changed her mind about any marriage today Seymour it's too late for you to win me back. This man worships me. He actually wants to be my husband. The female has made her decision. Prepare the feast of goldfish crackers. I'm not marrying you either. There are a million valid reasons, but which one did you pick?

We've had a great time together, but we're too different. I don't understand. It's like I'm DC Comics and you're Marvel. I understand completely. I don't think I want to be tied down to anybody. Take me to some real men. OK. You can watch my dad and my brothers beat me up.

Come back home with Mama, son. I'll make you some hot cocoa while you sit in your shame closet and think about what you did. Well, at least I went down like a man. You look like a Malaysian transsexual. It's 2004, folks. That's how things are. I mean, I love Skinner, I love the character. You can see my stuffed Skinner right behind me that my wife got me for my birthday.

I just hate how he's humiliated, And that will just continually be his role until they run out of jokes about him being a sad sack for getting left by Edna. Yeah, the weakness is very bizarre. Like, early Skinner, he's a guy with quiet dignity. You know what I mean? The joke is he takes himself too offic mean, other forces like the mafia or you know, Zubat and Chalmers, whomever like make him flustered, but like just to be completely weak in this moment is kind of very incongruous. And I'm not sure if it's a joke or bad writing, but Edna says, I don't need any man. Now take me to men.

Yes, yes. And she should be done with all these nerds immediately. The DC Marvel joke leaves me wanting considerably. It's very underwritten. You just want to have a two-part piece there where it's like, oh, it's like, where, even a DC Marvel thing, like, where Luke and Leia, you know, just something that, like, with another, because this, like, that is the piece that's missing is because of why you know Yeah, yeah, I think it would have been sweeter if Edna had learned something about nerd culture from a comic book guy in reference

It's like it's like I'm a and you're B And it's he's kind of touched that he she took something from the relationship But then we would be being sincere in this episode I think they are really terrified of that it'd be like Mr. Spock driving the Millennium Falcon, you know, something like that. But these are all the things we can leave on Kevin Curran's grave. I'll be going tomorrow.

What time do you guys want to meet up? Ooh, I'm free for lunch. OK. He was Buck Bundy, the first Buck Bundy. So all sins are wiped clean because of that. Of course. Yeah. I think in construction, it does assume

that if in 2004 you know the names of the companies Marvel and DC, then you're a mega geek. Only a dork-like comic book guy would even know those are different companies or that Superman and Spider-Man aren't owned by the same people. Yet. Yet. Though, to talk about comic book history here in 2004, the Marvel and DC relationship was getting even more frigid. This was the year that JLA Avengers came out and that was

the last crossover for a long time. Until now. I love that JLA Avengers. Yeah, even like it's like Marvel and DC. We have crossovers, but we can't have it. We can't be in the same universe. Just finish the sentence even at least. I do like the joke, there's many valid reasons, which is the one you chose. To me, that made me laugh. Yes. Speaking about buying expensive physical things, Steve, did you happen to buy either of the recent Marvel DC omnibus collections they just put out? I've weaned myself off Omnibuy. They're gorgeous, but I never read them because they're too damn big.

I have limited shelf space. So if I'm not even gonna read it, even though it looks great, I think the one that I loved was the Peter Milligan X-Force run, which again, really great collection of really great work. But again, I was like, oh, I also, I'm a train reading guy.

I'll take a book out with me and run around. I'm not taking an omnibus out anywhere. Yeah, I'm actually, I'm with train reading guy. I'll take a book with out with me and run around. I'm not taking an omnibus out anywhere Yeah, I'm actually I'm with you Steve I'm anti-omnibus because I feel like not to be crude if You want to read comfortably and you also have a penis those books are penis crushers They will eventually slide down and crush your genitals. There's no way to like hold it up comfortably It's gonna come crashing down any minute. So if you're into that, maybe it's good. It's a good way to read.

Well, and if you're a sleepy reader like me, or a bed reader, it's gonna smack you as well as you fall asleep holding it up. Now I- They weigh 40 pounds. And again, like the printing is gorgeous. Like you know, even from a production standpoint, the cover, the whole thing and like,

and the binding is really nice. I like that, you know, it's a nice round back and it'll really lay flat on the table, lay flat on your nuts also. Thank you. But it just doesn't, can't do it. It's also, if there's like a two page splash of art and you try to open the book,

the book screams as you pry it open. Now in my physical media collection, I bought many omnibuses that I have kept, but since my last move, I didn't buy any new ones except for the Marvel and DC ones, because those have been out of print for so long that I was like, I'll give this a shot. But look, they are impossible to read.

Even though I want to read the finally back in print for the first time, all access Marvel and DC crossover with Butch Geiss's wonderful art and Patrick Leleaf, my two of my favorites. If you need to find a church that's not in service anymore and just go up to the lectern and open your Marvel and just stand up and read it. That would be a lectern would be very helpful I think in that regard. And man to show you how much things have changed in 20 years the new Marvel DC crossover that just got announced the first one in in, for real, over 20 years. It's not Superman and Captain America,

it's not Iron Man and Batman, it is Deadpool Batman. The number one guy is Deadpool to be the crossover with Batman. I do like the cover with the homage to the Wolverine Hulk cover is really cool. I'm a fucking simp, dude, so there's that. Was I clapping like a train seal when I saw that scene in Deadpool Wolverine of the pop in the claws and reflection? Yes, I was that easily of again. It's all you could do is clap like a train seal Deadpool Wolverine because that's what they want

You'll never watch it again. But boy was it a nice afternoon. It's okay this Skinner very very sad, also getting transphobia from his mother. And now, as you guys mentioned, it's time for Millhouse Divided Speedrun here, which is very, very poor at why Algein kills a perfectly good season seven episode, and then kills a season eight episode, or vice versa here.

What a waste, What a waste. It's so quick. It's sort of like, oh, we forgot we should have something for Margin Homer to do. Yeah. But again, like you've been leaving the breadcrumbs, you could have just at any point made that the episode, but the credits, it's like almost when you're watching a movie on like local broadcast television, the credits are going fucking nuts. You know what I mean? That's what this is. Yeah. And I feel that Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein, they didn't like having to include a Marge and Homer story in The Millhouse Divide.

They felt obligated to, because I feel like there was a lot of internal blowback over A Fish Called Selma, because The Simpsons, their lives were not really featured. They were on the periphery once again, so they felt obligated. Okay, Homer and Marge story can be running parallel with this, but they realized that was just distracting from the story that they wanted to tell. And again, this is a much worse version of that. Also in Millhouse Divided, they almost are making fun of this type of writing where Homer says, I didn't want to get one of those phony baloney weddings they do on TV shows, so I got us really divorced. Here is the phony baloney second wedding they do on TV shows. And there's no Kurt Van Houten banger set to this at all. But here why

don't we hear the as the 70 seconds as Stephen pointed out that's how long this clip is. Actually it's 67 seconds long listeners. Don't don't get me on this. It's 67 seconds long this clip. Talking, talking, talking, nuts. Good for you Mrs.. Yeah, you don't need a husband to be happy. Okay, Marge, I hear ya. Now that Krabappu's made her decision, it's time to whitewash over our problems. I'm afraid this time a coat of whitewash won't cover it. Huh!

Our marriage is just an illusion. He doesn't care how I feel at all. He doesn't know how to love. Marge, you're not gonna get away with this. Our marriage is just an illusion. He doesn't care how I feel at all. He doesn't know how to love. Marge, the greatest day of my life was the day you and I became one. Would you marry me again? Oh, it's very sweet, but I don't need a... Where's that coming from?

A band in a closet! Every girl's dream. And El Padre, if you would do the honors. I do. Marge, you just agreed to raise the kids' Klingon. A corny, I do like hearing Marge say, doe. I like raise the kids, you know, it's also like if you're going to do, I'm going to write this on his grave when I get there tomorrow, probably around, I'll be there at 1130, I don't know, once to meet me there. But if you're gonna do that, bring back the castrato choir that we had.

It's right there in the episode. Band in the Closet is just such a capital R random element that doesn't really pay anything off or matter. So it's like, eh. And it's from the first act, right? The kind of lousy grade school band at the wedding? Oh yeah. Is that where it was from? Oh, okay, maybe.

Am I right about this, or does it just come out of nowhere? The kids in the closet. I think it comes out of nowhere. The band at the wedding is the, what do you call it there? Right, Larry Davis Wedding Experience. It's an amplification, or it's the next level to the joke of the kids singing the song, So I guess it's that. But yeah.

Dress them that way to do the thing, if you're going to do the thing. I do like Homer closes the door back on these children who are all stuffed inside together. But it's just one minute straight to pay off this thing. It just feels like a... answering a note. If Al Jean literally got a note from like, you know, James L. Brooks, let's say above him that said involve Marge and Homer in this more, then this is taking that note in a very quick fashion of, okay, we have our complete script here. Three more pages for the scene Brooks asked for at the very end of this instead of putting it through the story more though. I mean, yes, there is a break come trail of Marge being upset with Homer, but

the makeup is just so fast and loose. And also it feels cheap because it's just in one setting. Like it's just all in the bedroom. Marge doesn't even get out of bed. No one got out of bed for this. That's the answer. But yes, the episode ends with them apparently the Simpsons are now officially the Klingon religion.

And we have the end to an episode that Boy, it has some regressive politics. That's for sure. But also I just hate I hate to the changes I do Yeah, I've complained enough But like I said Skinner I believe he's my favorite character if I had to say a favorite character and this does a huge amount of damage to him and Can really changes him for a long time and I don't like like that. And I love the Edna and Skinner pairing. They didn't do a lot with it, but it was just a fun little element to give them something new to do.

And again, like I said, you can kill Maud, you can break up this couple, but do it in a way that's well written and respects the characters. And this really doesn't do that. Yeah. I mean, I've made myself clear. And again, 1130 at the grave would be great. Save space on that tombstone for me, Steve, please. No, no, I absolutely will. If you could bring coffee black, I'll go splash the grave would be great. Oh yeah, save space on that tombstone for me Steve, please. Yeah, no, I absolutely will.

If you could bring coffee black, we'll all go, this splash of milk would be fantastic. But look, it's this idea that we're doing, we need to kill this to open up what possibilities. Do you know what I mean? What are the, aside from hashtag dead though, which did take the internet by storm, as we all remember that.

I just don't understand, I do think that there's a world in which they get married and you can have a funny episode of that and it's not quite as bitter. It's the meanness that doesn't... The citizens can get mean, you know what I mean? Certainly. Plenty of examples of it. But the knives are out in this episode for a lot of things and none of them are particularly finessed, I think it's kind of the real sin I have less patience for the meanness when it is in a more, you know lowercase C Conservative direction of like that it is like yeah women want to tie a man down Don't they and it says this episode feels like it wants you to agree with that and like that when Lisa says You know, hey right on you don't need a man like they want Lisa to be wrong

you know, hey, right on, you don't need a man. Like, they want Lisa to be wrong. Like, this episode disagrees with Lisa there. The last thing I'll say that also adds the tragedy to this is, is that the character of Edna canonically dies, like, once her actress passes away, or performer. And so that means that, like, these are like some of the last things she does. Like, within a year of her life, canonically, she's dead.

And so it adds, like like all these choices she makes. Have an extra tinge of tragedy to them that are not obviously intended. But it makes a bad episode for her even sadder, unfortunately. Then you'd have Harry Shearer playing two widowers at once. That'd be dueling widowers. That'd be interesting. Simple widower.

Well, thank you so much, Steve, for coming back to the show. You are on We Hate Movies. It's an amazing podcast. You guys are killing it lately. You put out so much Steve for coming back to the show you are on we hate movies It's an amazing podcast. You guys are killing it lately You put out so much stuff in fact off Mike Henry and I were saying they put out frankly too much and we think you need To go on vacation, but as a listener, I also demand that you never stop doing Melrose to know. Thank you very much Yeah, it actually we were really feeling that crunch of we probably do too much We're actually going to the UK about 10 days from this recording on July the 18th. Is this going to be out around then?

I think it's late July. When you hear this, we will just have been in the UK and to get the time off in quotation marks to do that, we had a marathon recording session. So that was kind of crazy. And yeah, we're technically off for the month of August, but we are releasing a bunch of live shows that are super fun on our Patreon feed in August. We are doing Casino Royale, the first and great Craig Bond movie. And Melrose 210 continues the pace. We did see Dylan's dad blow up, Daddy Wars is over, but there's plenty of weirdness going on in Melrose's place. I was just listening to your Andor season two review, which here I was complimenting

you guys. We were lazy. You didn't do one for every episode. I joke. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm going to... Tomorrow, fight at the grave. Now we're fighting at the grave.

We're going to knock over his great vampire rose. It's going to be a domino effect. But Steve, thank you so much. We're so glad we could have you on for a Comic-Con episode as well. I love it, I love coming on, talking to you guys. It's super fun, talking to talking to Simpsons. Please be kind to us, we do our best.

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