Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - My Sister, My Sitter With Kat Bailey

Episode Date: November 14, 2018

Our good buddy (and Editor-in-Chief of USGamer) Kat Bailey returns for another Lisa-centric episode, where we all diagnose her with bad babysitting! While Homer and Marge make their yuppie dreams come true on the waterfront, Lisa babysits Bart and Maggie with disastrous results. Can Lisa find a quiet way to fix this problem? Will we be able to contain our revulsion at Bart's injury? And what about that giant party sub? Learn all about that and more in this week's podcast! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! This podcast is brought to you by the streaming network VRV: home to cartoons, anime, and so much more! Visit VRV.co/WAC to sign up for your FREE 30-day trial and kick a little money back to your friends at the Talking Simpsons Network!

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Cat Bailey. And this isn't a faux podcast. This is a podcast. True. And today's episode is My Sister, My Sitter. Enjoy Bob Saget. It's Bob Seger. Aw, crap.

Today's episode aired on March 2nd, 1997. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history oh my god oh boy bobby bill clinton officially bans government funds going to research of human cloning turak the dinosaur hunter is released on the nintendo 64 and people stopped standing on her neck just long enough for Daria to debut on MTV. Yay, that's great. So we did an episode of Daria for What a Cartoon. Check that out. I'm a big Daria fan and it really

holds up. Everybody always says, Kat, you're just like Daria. And I'm like, is that a compliment? Yes, it is. Good. Yes. I'll take that as a compliment. I was just nodding. I'm surprised you didn't watch the show then. You know, I wasn't cool enough to watch cool things back in the 90s or whatever. She was too busy with Babylon 5.

That's correct. That's what I thought. Playing video games. I know Cat too much. Yeah, if you guys want to hear us talk for over 90 minutes about Daria, definitely check out that episode of What a Cartoon. The Turok the Dinosaur Hunter, that was during the nintendo 64 gulf of content after the first christmas what now well we talked about a few uh weeks ago on the poochie episode

mario kart 64 this was the next thing and you played this until goldeneye came out a couple months later yeah it's so much fog in this one this is when people started to really notice uh how how short the line of vision actually was. You would have dinosaurs emerging from the fog like five feet in front of your face. Oh, my God. And the first-person platforming. I was going to say that. Boy, torturous.

It had to look straight down and kind of like awkwardly hot because the N64 controller, suffice to say, was not built for platforming. It needed. Sorry, first-person shooters. Yes, it needed another analog stick. And what seemed out at the time would become the default for shooters in which one thumb controlled the look, the other one controlled the motion. It's like, I got to look around with these C buttons?

What am I doing? It was also the game that, where it really hit me, what a lie Nintendo had said when they said, like, the graphics on this are going to be Jurassic Park. And then you play this game with dinosaurs and you're like,

definitely not. Jurassic Park with severe cataracts. But Turok was a gorgeous game for its time. Sure. People did love that game. Maybe the PC version.

There are some people that like it. I don't get it. I did not particularly care for it it lasted a while it sure did yeah they made one what the xbox 360 euro i think 2008 was the last that was kind of it and yeah that when acclaim tried to get somebody to name their kid turak as part of oh my god i forgot about that it was also when they tried to the shadow man shadow man on gravestones that was i you the PR guys, they were at least thinking of something.

They were earning their paycheck there. And old Slick Willy outlawing clones. I want my clone. Human clones must have happened. They're happening now. I mean, let's be honest. Rich people are using them to harvest organs. Jeff Bezos refuses.

He will refuse to die. He has thousands of clones. Bob, that's just parts of the Clonus Project you're talking about now. That was a documentary, Henry. Well, this was right about the time that Dolly happened, right? Yeah. Yeah, we talked about Dolly a few weeks ago on Simpsons. And Bill's like, I don't like this.

That's what Bill Clinton impressed everybody with. It just goes to show that people hear about something and immediately get scared because they don't really understand it. And so instead of better understanding it, they just immediately ban scientific research into it i'm sure rich people have been cloning that was actually the concept i believe that's why radio had called their album kid a the kid a is the name of the first human clone that's happened in secret i prefer hail to the thief because i bet that kept bush up all night i kept it i love that album i listened to every radiohead album up to in rainbows 800 times on repeat and i've never seen them live if they ever actually come by around here again i really should see him before one of them dies i couldn't

believe that album title it was like a mad magazine article or something i expected more but yes this episode my sister my sister i want to point out i saw on the wiki there is uh some weird information in the wiki which i believe is not true and it's coincidental that the title for this episode is a reference to the movie sister my sister which which could be true but that's also like a lesbian incest psychodrama. True crime, also. That has nothing to do with this sweet story about Lisa. So maybe, I'm sorry, Henry. Title-wise, it could have been the inspiration of just like, titles are their last thought on these things anyway. So I don't think thematically it's supposed to be.

Well, it came out in 1994, so perhaps like three years later, somebody had just randomly seen it and went, my sister, my sister, whatever. That has sister in it. This is about Lisa. That's his sister. But yeah, make up your mind on your own. But that's the one new thing I pulled out of research for this,

that this could be a reference to Sister, My Sister. And that movie's all on YouTube. So look it up. Sounds like quite the watch, to be perfectly honest. Yeah, I don't know. This episode, this is not truly a Henry's Tale of the Tape, but- Damn it. When I would circle around to this one

in my VHS tape viewings, it would actually be one I'd kind of fast forward through at the middle part. And it's not because I think this is a bad episode, though this isn't one of my favorites, but it is because they did such a good job on Bart's injury that it disgusts me and I can't look at it.

Oh boy, yeah. And it just ruins, it ruins my reaction. listening to this episode with headphones. Yes, I did that for this research and yes,

it is some gross sounds coming out of that. It's some messed up stuff, isn't it? It is what they were going for and so, mission accomplished there, guys.

They know when to pull back from it though. They know when it's like, let's get Bart in this wheelbarrow. He's like poking at it It's in the wrong angle I sent you guys an animated gif of it last night Of the dream sequence part

Like pulling his arm up the point at Lisa I wanted to gross all of you out But also another thing is that we talked to the writer Of this episode Dan Graney On the Patreon Patreon.com slash Talking Simpsons A whole one hour long interview with Dan Graney About his time on the show and this episode too So check check that out if you haven't. He's great. And

he got us in touch with Dan McGrath. And that was a great interview too. Graney has a real knack for understanding the brother-sister dynamics of Bart and Lisa. And like the kids, the best thing in this, this is almost so kid focused. It also in my memory, like I said on our Date with Density episode, in my my memory i think of this as a scully era episode not an oakley and weinstein one because it focuses so much on the kids which i really feels more like a scully thing than a oakley weinstein thing my first thought when i was watching this was was this a mike scully episode it's so down to earth it's not swarming with magic robots or anything like that. And it focuses so exclusively on the sibling relationship between Bart and Lisa. But it makes sense since Dan Grady did Summer of Four Foot Two.

It also feels like the first super domestic episode in a while where they don't, it's like, so they use the same amount of money they use on every episode. But it feels like a low budget episode. They can't leave the house until the very end. I was going to say, it's almost like a bottle episode. Well, I think it's these kind of episodes that buy them the right to do things like Simpsons spinoff showcase in about five episodes. But at the same time, they have that fairly elaborate dockyard kind of setting with lots of different visual gags, tons of visual gags,

and they bring in a lot of familiar characters. Though also why this reminds me of a Scully era one, it's not just the kids, but also this is a bit more scatological than The Simpsons get in multiple jokes. Oh boy. Yeah, and also Homer is some real jerk ass here. And I think this episode is important

in Simpsons history in that is a major turning point in the presentation and mining of jokes from Rod and Todd Flanders. That's true. It's a new identity for them in terms of how they write jokes for those characters. And not always for the best in Simpsons history. That's true. We're talking about how crazy stuff happens in the show, and then there's a more down-to-earth one. The last episode, we record all of these out of order by the way

Just because we're working ahead The last one was the Sideshow Bob and Cecil episode Where the dam explodes And a tidal wave hits Springfield After an extended Frasier parody Yes, so yes, this is way more down to earth Than that last episode that we recorded weeks ago Oh really?

There was an episode you did not too long ago That you were like, I don't think this is really canon this is kind of crazy oh sherry bobbins sherry bobbins yeah sherry bobbins happened this season that is a treehouse of horror episode secretly no exactly so i mean that really just puts into context the swarming with magic robots sherry bobbin realistic down to earth episode my sister my sitter too real and well this episode does it feels real to me in that i had as a child like when i was bart's age i had a contentious rivalry with my younger sibling and if they got something that i think i should have gotten before they did if anything felt unfair i would legitimately feel the way Bart felt of like, this is the

greatest injustice in history. How much older were you then? I'm three years older. Yeah, you both have younger siblings, right? Yeah, mine is six years younger than me. Oh, wow. So it's quite the age gap. Yeah, that's too far apart.

We're close enough that my parents could say something that they didn't want me doing when I was 10. When I'm 13 and my brother is 10, they're like, we're used to this now. Your brother can do this. And that would make me angry. Or you would get to do something and then they would be like, oh no, that went horribly. You don't get to do that. Yeah. Sometimes that happened for my brother. But though I also never was a babysitter. And also, also i mean i don't want to say i was never babysat because i like had after school daycare or whatever what where until we

were old enough we would stay at daycare after school me and my brother because and then picked up by my mom at the end of the day i would say that shows the real class divide between us henry because my parents were basically we're leaving you alone don't tell anybody we're doing this we can't afford a babysitter yeah i was a latchkey kid as well yeah i wanted to be a latchkey kid i was so happy when i got oh it was so great when i hit 11 years old my mom was finally like you know what just be at home all day you don't have to go to the ymca summer day camp thing all day, which was hell. I hated it.

The worst. You didn't like doing activities like playing dodgeball? It was more that the kids. Well, I did hate that, and I just wanted to read comic books. But it was also that there were a lot of very mean, bullying kids there, and not enough people to prevent those kids from being bullies. At home, it was Disney afternoon and fish sticks for me. So I was a babysitter, and I actually did do some babysitting in my time,

and I took the classes. So I have a little bit of experience with this. And I babysat my younger child, or my younger sibling, sorry. And yes, I did learn how to do CPR. I learned how to do CPR many times, actually, between swimming lessons, babysittingitting lessons and later getting first responder certification and well how accurate is this to babysitting i would say that the fact that lisa didn't take any classes and the fact that her parents were comfortable leaving her to take care of her older brother and their like one year old baby is uh it's a little intense for someone even as mature as lisa she's written as an adult my brother sister thing is that uh my sister is very much the bart of the family and i am the

lisa and uh she's always been terrible to me and i don't really talk to her and she was awful even more awful to me as a as a kid when we were kids and the great thing about that was it set the bar very low for me it's like oh he, he's quiet and he's reading. He's playing video games. Let's just leave him alone. He's not doing anything bad. And it's like, really? On the other hand, they're chasing my sister all around and trying to get her to settle down.

It's like, me? I'm the good kid. I'm the unwanted kid who had to try harder. And look at me now, mom. Did you have any like, that's unfair moments? No, because the spotlight was off of me. I just was kind of allowed to do whatever I wanted because I never really got in trouble. Having an older sibling that is bartesque, as they say, really lets you get away with a lot because your parents are putting more energy into them.

And also, again, the bar is lowered for good behavior. And she's older than you she is by three years so yeah you must have been just a relief it's like okay that one we don't have to worry about he it's the kid that watches himself it's one of those self-cleaning kids uh well so the episode begins with the return of eye on springfield and uh oh yeah you know what this one too this is a jim reardon episode. And this is not to say I think it's poorly animated because it isn't, but I was going to just say, I feel I expect a little more from a Jim Reardon show. It just felt very on model and careful.

There are moments that really speak to Jim Reardon's skills and his team's skills. Yeah. But I think he's not being asked to do a lot more than just domestic stuff so there's not a lot for him to you know play with but there are some moments that i even gift that were very funny i put online that's true yeah there are and we'll get to those yeah but it didn't i guess it didn't feel as um everything to do with bart's arm is like really good actually that was successful but in the wheelbarrow adventure, too. Especially toward the end.

We'll get to that. But this is the first Eye on Springfield since A Star is Burns. And this is the first Eye on Springfield in Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein's tenure, I think. Yeah, and unlike the one in A Star is Burns, they don't show the entire thing to fill time. They just give you a little bit and give us two very quick jokes that also feel like just a season nine kind of like it's a two-story house you don't want to talk about scatological yes yeah you start with this was a surprise to me as a kid because i was like they don't go go to the toilet that much and simpson's joke in here is a joke that asks you to

envision a man shitting on another man that's i, it's perfect for me because they cut the guy saying, oh my God, at the perfect moment. It's like, oh my God! The nurse less funny. Yeah. I thought that was a riff on Patch Adams, but I checked on Patch Adams and that movie came out a year later. Well, could it be the news stories about patch adams the real life one that that could have been entirely true i just remember that when patch adams came out that became a bit of a thing the comedic doctor that was in futurama as patch patch cord adams yeah patch cord that

that's one of my favorite jokes ever because they all hate him so much well everybody was like oh robin williams Williams is really overbearing in this movie. Yeah, and when he just shows up, when Futurama character shows up like, oh, what are these patients here, eh? And then they all just like,

ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. That was one of like two extremely maudlin Robin Williams movies at the same time. He was kind of a bicentennial man at the same time, I believe. And then he got really dark

a few years later. Yes, yes he did. I wonder... Movie-wise. Yes. Movie-wise, yes. World's Greatest Dad's great. I was confused by Centennial Man with AI, to be perfectly honest. Yeah, they're basically the same deal. One was a Stanley Kubrick vehicle, so

it has something more going for it. Maybe one has held up a little bit better than the other. Oh, yes. I think... I appreciate AI a lot more now. Some AI fans are getting really mad at me. I'm not saying that Bicentennial Man is the same quality. We're losing all of our AI fan listeners right now. Let's get into the clip then before we lose all of them.

But first, move over Baltimore. Springfield has stolen your idea. I'm walking on the waterfront. Once the center of a thriving Squid gutting industry Now abandoned by all but a few Longshoremen and allied trades people But the decades of rot will end

With the opening of the South Street Squid Port An upscale shopping promenade With authentic maritime theming And to kick it all off in style Area merchants will host A black tie gala Saturday night. Oh, that sounds fabulous, Homer. Stores throw the best parties.

You like parties, huh? Well, I just remembered they're having a big one down at the waterfront this weekend. You didn't remember that. You just saw it on TV. The important thing is I didn't imagine it. Marge's very cute line that stores for the best parties, that at least stood out to me. I love that, yeah.

There's a lot to unpack with this. Just in the context of the current gentrification things, especially that hipster kind of events and that faux kind of returning these old warehouse districts into cool happening places. This is where it all began i live near one of those in berkeley there's a very bougie area that used to be just a bunch of warehouses and industrial stuff i guess this was actually happening in baltimore around this time

because it was yeah this is about the time that they opened camden yards which is their baseball stadium i've actually been to the baltimore waterfront don't ask me why i was there when i went to otacon yeah it's very i've never been okay but i'm sure that it was kind of a disaster so was uh the area near at&t stadium uh that used to be really bad apparently here in san francisco i'd believe that that's where every 70s cop movie happens no it really transformed around the beginning of the 21st century. Well, all those areas, though, just have a feel of Disney Main Street, of just a fake outer exterior that's supposed to feel lived in. But also when you walk into them, you're just like,

well, this is 5% more expensive than everything would be. Yeah, Disney Main Street's a better way to put it than hipster. Or yuppie. They call it yuppie stuff in this too. I was thinking about that, actually, where they were repeatedly using. Or yuppie. They call it yuppie stuff in this too. Well, I was thinking about that actually where they were repeatedly using the term yuppie and I was like, is that the last time that yuppie

was actually used in media? Because yuppie was kind of the proto-hipster, right? Yeah, I think even in this show, I think the joke is that Marge is using it and it is out of date. It's more of an 80s thing. Marge uses it out of date. Early 90s thing, yeah.

She's like that, yeah. Jacksonville, Florida, there was also one of those waterfront things and it just made everything more expensive. I was like, why would I go here to buy a book or a movie? It's all just like $5 more than it was some other place. Not to mention, on the gentrification

side of it, it always felt like, oh, you're afraid to go to Jacksonville? But look, it's a lot of white people. Wait, people are afraid to go to Jacksonville? Oh yeah, Jacksonville. The mean streets of Jacksonville. Watch the show The Good Place. It has more Jacksonville jokes than any show I've seen ever.

Bortles, man, my boy. Duval. Duval. Homer's line of, the important thing is, I didn't imagine it. It implies a lot. Homer is constantly telling her things he imagined well we we have seen that on the show like he believed he was in happy days the tv show happy days things like that yeah it's connected to his story of the doctor thought i had brain damage what's the point of

the story i'd like stories i've had moments where i've actually imagined conversations and thought that i've had them because they seemed very real in my mind yeah no i've had that too or like uh dreams where you're like and then at the oh wait no i didn't have that and then i'll be like yeah i told you about this and they're like no you didn't i was like oh i i did that thing again oh no this is so embarrassing also the squid gutting reference this is dan grady will bring squid gutting back with a vengeance in a couple years in 30 minutes over tokyo i was gonna say that i was like bring squid gutting back with a vengeance in a couple years in 30 minutes over Tokyo. I was going to say that. I was like, oh, squid gutting.

Wow. The tentacle cannery. The knife goes in, guts come out. Oh, my God. Yes. I'm kind of reluctant to go with the really bad accent that they're doing. Yeah. Yeah.

But we'll discuss this in a couple years. We'll get to that maybe in one year uh boy yeah actually probably by it's the season finale of season nine right yeah season nine is natural i feel like natural born kissers yes natural born kissers is in season nine season 10 is 30 minutes over tokyo then we get a rare jamie appearance here yeah i'm glad they need this is girl talk and they need another girl. And they need a friend for Lisa to do this kind of thing, I suppose. I can't get enough of the babysitter twins.

They arrested the counterfeiters, rescued the president, and made $4. I love everything about the world of babysitting. The responsibility, the obligation, obligation the pressure and full refrigerator privileges that's a trust janie a sacred trust jeez lighten up lisa now we know why janie doesn't appear anymore after this in this episode yeah even on the commentary they're just like well why is janie here who else is she gonna say that stuff to you she could be talking to like a picture of a pony i don't know i never bothered to develop an actual friend for Lisa After the episode where Lisa's rival

They never kept her around None of the women on the show can have friends Marge can't have friends Lisa can't have friends They legitimately tried to give Marge a friend In Ruth Powers And then Ruth Powers never came back Even Maggie doesn't get along with the other babies.

Women don't have friends. That's what The Simpsons taught me. They wait for their husbands to get home. Janie's first appearance, first speaking line since Lisa the Vegetarian. Wow. Yeah, Lisa's going to marry a carrot, right? Janie is more Lisa's enemy than her friend, too. She's more often making fun of Lisa than spending time with her.

If any girl other than Lisa needs a speaking role, it's usually Janie. She's basically just an extra. I mean, she doesn't really do anything. They just cram her in there whenever they need her. I wonder if she falls into Matt Groening's dislike of season one characters. Cause she definitely looks like a season one character. Just like same with Wendell. Whenever you see Wendell, you're just like, oh boy, nobody looks like this pale child. Her appearance makes me feel like this is almost a season two or season three episode. Yeah. It has that kind of vibe to it.

But clearly what they're reading is a reference to the Babysitter Club books, which I did read a few of those as a kid. Yes. I, you know, obviously. Yeah, that sounds pretty gay i know yes books were very gendered as well i i definitely didn't buy copies of babysitter's club because that's a conversation but i could read them at the library in secret and but i didn't read that many i didn't they were fun little soap opera books i think i liked encyclopedia brown more

just because of know-it-all was in it, and that's who I am. But my favorite Babysitter Club member was Stacy, the treasurer. She was the one with diabetes, right? And divorced parents, too. Yeah, that was her deal. Well, that was the whole thing is you looked at these girls and you were like, which one do I relate to the most? For me, it was, was it Christy, the tomboy? Oh, yes. Were there twins

or was that Sweet Valley High? That was Sweet Valley High. Okay. I only like the covers to those books as a kid. That's what makes this kind of a mashup and also of the

Hardy Boys too a little bit with the mystery. The mystery aspect of it is much more Hardy Boys of the formula formula. I have to assume that Mike Scully

brought this to the show having five daughters at the time. 100%. There was a thing called Babysitter Mysteries where they're breaking up counterfeit rings and that kind of thing.

I wonder if that's because of the popularity of the more intense R.L. Stine books. They weren't well received by the Babysitter Club fandom. Too much drama. We've got to find this pie thief. As a comic nerd, I liked, too, that there was a continuity to them and they were numbered

i liked that too i mean they're soap operas right and i i was actually more of a nancy judo reader which is funny because it came out in the 60s and actually one of the one of the main characters in babysitter's club is a nancy drew fan because the author you know came of age in the 60s and 70s and was probably reading that herself. And it's one of the early feminist books. But it's generally celebrated as a pretty cool feminist series. These girls are getting together, starting business. Entrepreneurial spirit. All these girls working together and putting aside their money.

A lot of the book is about, as I recall or about like how they saved money or investments they made it was a lot of actual business details but uh they could be also very mean the babysitters club was a bit of a cult and when one of their members has dares to make friends with somebody who's outside of the club they go out and eat her snacks short sheet her bed and leave mean notes oh man and even gaslight her by leaving a blank note just to make her think, like, what is this note supposed to say? Like, they're messing with her.

It sounds like those creeps in the Midnight Society, to be honest. The only book series I read as a kid was the Redwall series. Me too. Until when I was 14, I realized it was very racist. Oh. And I stopped reading it. I was too busy reading Redwall and Animorphs and Goosebumps

Is that the one with Salamandistron? Yes You see Henry some types of things are born evil and some types of things are born good

Yes if you're a stoder ferret Yes No wait but Bob a sea rat becomes good I'll have you know

There's a sea rat who reforms in one of the books Okay well in one of the books they like, can this bad thing be good? No, it turns out it can't. But if you read the original Redwall, it's a really good kind of high fantasy with animals. And none of the really uncomfortable questions of being born into a race of bandits. I mean, the weird racial essentialism is something that I didn't really have a word for. But I was like, this seems off.

Like the original trilogy was great. And then it gets a little, yeah, he kind of runs out of ideas after that. It's true. I did also like having books to read with a fellow nerdy friend, though it rarely happened. I didn't,

I didn't have too many Janies in my life who were like, we're both reading this book series together. I had that for comic books. My friends didn't read. Yeah. Prose books. I mean, I also preferred comic

books to a prose book but uh you can't read those as easily in schools i was reading star wars extended expanded universe yeah oh man oh yeah it was the i started with the kid ones before i went to the thrawn trilogy which obviously featured the three-eyed child of darth sidious in those ones there were black glove trilogy there were books everywhere in my family like when i was the three-eyed child of Darth Sidious in those ones. The Black Glove Trilogy. There were books everywhere in my family. When I was growing up, there were books on the bookshelf, which is an important thing to have books on the bookshelf when you grow up. There was a bookmobile that came around to our school so I could rent stuff.

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said okay i suppose i think they wanted me to babysit my sister that was it yeah free labor that's why you have kids i only ended up babysitting once, and it was the neighbor kid. And that was my first experience with actually having to take care of, like, a real child. And this kid was maybe five? And when their parent left, the kid just went into the garage and cried for a solid hour. Whoa. And it's like, what do you do in that situation? I'm like 13, 12 or 13. I have no idea. You realize how much kind of responsibility

you're putting on to a, not even a teenager, kind of prepubescent, like 12, 13 years old. I mean, in that situation, I don't have kids, but I think you get the hose. Turn the hose on.

I'm spooking them out of the garage. But eventually they kind of warmed me and then we played with their toys and watched Barney and I was so bored. It was one of the most boring evenings I've ever had. And I was so desperate for it to end. And then I never wanted to do it again after that.

But I did get full fridge privileges. That's nice. So I drank a lot of soda. Actually, that reminds me of something I saw tweeted funny by a previous guest of the show, Shivam. He talked about how what being a parent is now is watching a movie with the kids who are constantly asking questions. Oh, I was one of those kids.

That the movie would answer if you just shut up and you have to fight the urge to tell your kid to just shut up and watch the movie and you'll find out. I did that. My dad really did not like that. I'm sure I did that too. Now it's been the fun reverse of like i used to be the kid asking my mom what's that mean what's that what what what did he say

what that now it's the reverse of i'm seeing a star wars with my mom she's like who's that now who did that i just want to say that the perfect title for the babysitter twins is the president's baby is missing it's great title yeah's going to draw you in, right? Also, the formula formula. So this has inspired Lisa to start her own babysitting deal, which advertises first through Rev and Lovejoy. It's a nice little boring Lovejoy thing. It's not a joke on religion.

It's just a joke on how boring he is. Which I think is a joke on religion. Yeah. Church is boring. And it feels like an early taste of the listen lady plot line we're going to be getting soon. They're developing him a bit more, Oakley and Weinstein. They're getting into Timothy. And also, I noticed he had a watch on in the shot.

And there's no joke for it. So it makes me wonder if there was a cut joke. Because you don't draw a watch on characters and never wear them unless there's going to be a watch joke. Maybe we'll get to a cut scene with the watch. This is a very short scene in the church. It's like 15 seconds long. It's Bart saying the best bands are affiliated with Satan. I do like the promise concert in the church basement that starts at Friday at 6 p.m. sharp. It's a lot of little details that really add to just the sense of how boring this is.

Well, Reverend Lovejoy doing the cool Christian rock thing, that was definitely a thing that was definitely rising in the late 90s. And it was very controversial within Christian circles because rock music was the devil. And so how can you have it be godly? It just doesn't square. We got to reach these kids. I finally understood Christian rock groups when I had a boss who was very born again Christian. But in his youth, he loved hair metal bands. He grew up in LA. He got to see those big name bands like Metallica when they were new, when before they really hit it big.

He loved them, but that didn't match up with his Christianity. So he had to get into Christian rock. And I felt so bad for him because he's like, you know, actually, you can make fun of it, but they actually rock pretty hard, these guys. Like, they really do. What if it was Metallica, but every song used the word hymn with a capital H 43 times? I became aware of Christian rock because my entire classroom loved Christian rock. Ooh, yuck. i was in catholic school no one listened to christian rock so well my school was very baptist and very born again

and they asked what's your favorite music and somebody mentioned some christian group i had never heard of and everybody went woohoo and i'm like what's going on here and and testament is a very good christian rock band name that is very, very, very odd. Well, then the early 2000s, you had groups like Evanescence that were secretly kind of trying to be Christian, but not really. They were Christian. And Katy Perry started as a Christian singer. I think she's looped back around to being Christian again and denouncing things.

Well, her parents were very Christian. Yeah. And there's Creed. But then she got all sexy. Yeah. She kissed a girl, apparently. And there was Creed in their crossover as well. Yes, everybody loved Creed in the late 90s in my high school.

But Marge has a good point when she tells Lisa, In the real world, I would never hire an eight-year-old to babysit anyone ever. Yeah, this episode is identifying that major problem with the plot. Like, why would anyone hire an eight-year-old? But we're also running into the fact that Lisa is, in fact, eight years old. And while she's extremely mature, she's having to kind of grapple with that fact. And I think all of us can relate to the idea of,

what, I'm very, I was very mature. And then you look back at, you know, when you're eight or nine years old, and you go, you are not that mature. We were all precocious kids here, I would believe. But that... I mean, I regret everything I've done up until a week ago. But yeah, when I was eight, I probably... not that mature we were all precocious kids here i'm i would believe but that i mean i regret everything i've done up until a week ago but yeah when i was eight i probably yeah just a week ago i probably thought i was smarter than regular eight-year-olds but i look back on it now like

no you're fucking eight you couldn't you couldn't do anything you certainly couldn't cook dinner or make sure a kid didn't drown you couldn't do things. I had good taste as an eight-year-old, Henry. Yeah, eight years old would have been a little bit much for me to actually be babysitting a kid. So, it makes sense within the story. But, I mean, Lisa is kind of a genius. Oh, yeah. And she's straining, like so many very, very, very, very smart children, she is straining against the bounds of her age. And she doesn't have any perspective to be able to just sit back and kind of enjoy the fact that she has absolutely no

responsibility or have to worry about really anything because her parents are taking care of her. Which that's a good line later where Lisa at Lard of the Dance where Lisa points out like, can we just enjoy being kids and being filthy and gross and i have no responsibility you know this also reminds me of summer of four foot two because both kind of strain the reality of these unaging kids that like were this a live action show lisa would be 16 by now and the actor would be too that's true so plots about yearbooks and also becoming a babysitter would actually fit better with an aging lisa as opposed to one who is eight forever.

No, that's totally true. Meanwhile, in Summer Foot Foot 2, she's also reading Gore Vidal. So that too. I think that's why the first babysitting job she gets, it comes from an extreme situation where they have no other option. Yes. We have that. Quite extreme.

Yes. Homer, I've got a fozzie of a bear of a problem. Maude and her mother were visiting Tyre and Sidon, the twin cities of the Holy Land. They must have kneeled in the wrong place and prayed to the wrong god because they're being held prisoner by militants of some sort. Militants? Well, if I were you, I'd kick their asses. Well, any hoodly-doodle. The embassy says it's just a routine hostage-taking,

but I have to drive to Capital City, fill out some forms to get them out. Could you possibly watch the kids tonight? Gee, I'd really love to want to help you, Flanders, but Marge was taken prisoner in Holy Land. I'll do it. I'll babysit. I don't know, Lisa. You're awfully young and the boys can be a handful. God's been pinching everyone lately. But I'm smart and responsible and my parents will be right next door.

Well, what do you say, Homer? Can Lisa babysit for my kids? Please, please, please. I'll have to ask her. Slam. So Tyre and Sidon are two holy cities from the Old Testament. The twin cities of the Holy Land. And now they are currently in Lebanon.

Oh, okay. So they're being held hostage by Lebanese terrorists, I guess. That twin cities thing really spoke to you as a twin cityite. Well, I suppose Ned Flander would find the twin cities to be pretty cool. Well, for him, Jerusalem is probably played out. Like Tyre and Sid side and that's more exciting yeah he's got a very level head about this hostage situation i gotta fill out some forms i gotta drive to capital city well that's the joke yes well him with that ribbon makes it

all the realer of just like he's wearing this ribbon of like this is a national emergency yeah like this would actually this would be national news national news yeah because i'm sure maude was christian women kidnapped in the middle east i'm sure she was proselytizing i think he was underplaying the fact that she probably went over to be a missionary or do missionary work yeah because she seems pretty she seems pretty like evangelical and she did learn to be more judgmental on her trip over the summer oh Oh, that's true, at Bible camp. So Lebanon is where Hezbollah is based, if I'm... I think...

Sure. I don't want to piss them off. I don't know. I might call it lie in the episode. Homer's excuse back to Ned is so funny. I'd like to want to help you. And it's great acting by Dan Castellaneta as he's like, I've got to come up

with a lie and he kind of knows that he's like i can't just say what he just said back to me but i'm not thinking anything better he's like holy land and he holds flanders in such low regard he's willing to just repeat what flander said to him as an excuse a fozzie of a bear of a situation yeah i like that too. And then Homer, this is some jerk-ass Homer here slamming that door in his face after hearing about, like, he won't babysit their kids

when she's been held hostage. I mean, Homer's always been the most jerk-ass of jerk-ass to Flanders, even when he was, quote-unquote, not jerk-ass Homer. It's true. I mean, stealing all of his stuff, just in general, treating him like garbage. Giving his

noggin a flogging. And wanting him to burn alive in Homer the Heretic season four. So, yeah. He's always been that. It's true. This characterization of Rod and Todd. Now, Todd is a smaller one, of course. Is he younger than Lisa? Or is he Lisa's age? I think,

especially when they say they're two years apart I do think you're supposed to peg them as 8 and 10 just like Bart and Lisa and because Rod's biggest role in the series was in Dead Putting Society where he was much different than this he was just sort of like a regular kid I also think you know

was it Todd? Was it Rod? Was it the older kid? It was Todd they get those mixed up yeah todd became the smaller one but that's not how it always was okay really but i do think they're supposed rod and todd i think are supposed to be bart and lisa's age also because when ned first met homer in the flashback episode he only has one kid with him who is bart's age so which i take to mean he only had one kid at the time ah well shit no when he babysits bart when lisa is born they're both there iron helps us play so they're definitely not the same age as bart and lisa shit yeah you're

right in dead putting society todd is the older child that Bart enters the competition with. I remember Nancy Cartwright saying on commentary, I played 15 Rods and 75 Todds. It gets mixed up. In this one, I think Nancy is the older boy, Rod, and I think it's Pamela Hayden that is Todd, the younger boy. Who are Rod and Todd, really? A deep dive investigation with Talking Simpsons.

Well, this is, this does, like I said, this really sets, this is where they found what they like about Rod and Todd. And what they like about Rod and Todd is making fun of very sheltered, very wussy, in quotes, type of kids who are like homeschooled and toothless to such a degree that they could not operate in

feral child society like a public school child i thought i thought we had that already though because at one point bart and lisa show them itchy and scratchy and like rod and or todd is sitting there pale yeah like they're extremely sheltered even at this time. That's true. So, I guess it was Todd, the younger child, in Dead Putting Society, but they get the voices mixed up all the time, because they're not internally consistent about the voices. Well, this was still at the time when they were kind of

treating Ron and Todd as the rival kids, and Flanders, instead of being the goody-two-shoes evangelical, he's much more of, like, the much more successful neighbor with the perfect kids and the perfect wife and the perfect house. Yeah, this characterization of Ron and Todd reminds me a lot of, you know, won't someone think of the children? Because I think the joke here is like, this is what happens when you protect children too much. They can't handle simple everyday problems or even the idea of robots.

Or a ladybug. Yeah. Or moths. Yeah, no. Bug attacks. Though this feels like it is the step onto the road that brings us to jokes like one I really didn't like of Lisa having to bathe with a hose outside

and Rod and Todd watching her from a window. Yeah. I really don't like that joke. It's gross. Lisa is in a bathing suit when it's happening, joke it's gross lisa is like in a bathing suit when it's happening but it's still just like this is a gross joke you'd make that when they go to more like creepy creep town that they become creepier by being sheltered sort of like norman baits style creepiness it's like a sheltered person we all knew the extremely sheltered kid

right who also has weird sexual stuff starting to come out for them well that's also they get a good joke out of that and an all right joke out of that yeah the future episode where they are both kind of gay-ish guys and cut off gay in a very 70s way yes who still live with their dad for some reason here is rod Rod and Todd as we shall know them from now on. Where are the dice? Daddy says dice are wicked. We just move one space at a time. It's less fun that way.

Moth! Moth! Moth! Moth! Moth! Moth! Don't worry, a moth is no more harmful than a ladybug. A ladybug? They're gonna get eaten alive in middle school. And thank you for sending Lisa to protect us from the bug you sent. And please make Lisa tell us a bedtime story about robots named Rod and Todd. Amen. Once there was a robot named Todd.

Did he have a brother? Yes, he had a brother robot named Rod who was two space years older than him. I don't like this story. Oh, imagine that. Sleeping quietly after a bug attack and Todd's as just dries a bone. Lisa, you're a wonder. I'm going to recommend you to everybody.

This episode does a lot of work in selling you the idea that Lisa could be a babysitter at eight years old, where I think a lot of episodes wouldn't spend an entire act justifying that idea. Like, no, she can do it. She's eight, but she'll do it. But I think in the future, they wouldn't care. Like, Lisa can just run for president. Who cares? Lisa can be the mayor for a day. But in this one, they're like, we have to show the audience that this is a plausible idea that people would get into. Love the acting.

I'm like, I don't like this story. I had that reaction as a kid if something got too scary for me. It wouldn't be that someone is two space years older than me but it's it's a very real kid reaction there i feel like rod and todd being a handful is played off as kind of a laugh line but i expect that they are actually are kind of a handful because one of them clearly wets the bed and they get extremely scared of random stories and bugs and i expect that they have a lot of management that is kind of required. Yeah, yeah. I also love the very humorous Christian sentiment of,

thank you for sending Lisa to protect us from the bug you sent. They're not mad that God sent a bug to them. And they're not questioning, like, why'd you send a bug in the first place? They're just happy that Lisa was sent to protect them from that bug. Don't question God. Don't think about it too much. But whenever I see a moth, I'm always likeoth moth moth i mean i i freak out to a degree too i are a mosquito i'm like ah yeah i don't like ladybugs much either oh they're cute i'll let uh i think when they infest your house they are not so cute i've never had that give you

a wish or something can you wish on a ladybug i've done it i've never had i've never had that. Can they give you a wish or something? Can you wish on a ladybug? I've done it. I've never had, I've never seen lots of ladybugs at once, so I've not had an infestation of them. So they've always just been cute to me. Was that board game they were playing, the same one from when they go and live with the... Good Samaritan! It did look similar to it, didn't it? Yeah.

Except in that case, they wouldn't take away the dice because they were in the... Pop-o-matic. Pop-o-matic, yeah. Oh, okay. Different game. they wouldn't take away the dice because they were in bot they were in the uh the popomatic yeah so oh okay different game but uh up next we have lisa babysitting for the wiggums and a nice slam on bob saget which we heard at the beginning of this i love that joke yeah they timed that joke for me perfectly as a kid because crap because i obviously as a child bob saget was friendly dad on tv who uh then showed me funny uh videos it didn't get any lamer than bob say he was the lamest loser dork in the world but in 95 full house got canceled and by 96 into 97 he was free to start appearing on the daily show

and be like i'm actually filthy i'm the filth comic i'm a comic now so i was free to start appearing on The Daily Show and be like, I'm actually filthy. I'm the filth comic. I'm a comic now. So I was getting to know him as a pro comedian. He was a stand-up comic in the 80s. I didn't know of that, though. It was a kid. It became news to me only once he left Full House. So that's why it was good timing, this joke, because I was like,

oh, he is a comedian now. And I would be disappointed to have tickets to that over pub seeker yeah i would say he was more of a hack as a filthy comic than as a fun tv dad just he was trying way too hard and a lot of it was just like what if i fucked the olsen twins huh wouldn't that be funny yeah what if i said more dirty words yeah i mean there are worse dirty comics but i also think like i don't know i'd say somebody like anthony jeselnik at least finds he says the filthiest thing you can think of but he at least finds clever inroads to that there's some artistry to it not just saying the filthiest words you can is bob saget kind of i i will say he's probably written good jokes but i think the main novelty

of seeing him in this era was like the dad's gonna say the f word the dad we saw which they were still fucking doing on his comedy central roaster i'm like we've done this enough haven't we haven't we didn't he turn his reputation around with the aristocrats was that about the time he was i mean people got more respect for him because he was one of the funnier guys in the aristocrats the aristocrats yeah i Aristocrats. The Aristocrats. Yeah. I mean, I want to say Aristocrats, too. Maybe my dangerous opinion about that movie is it's tedious and empty.

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You want to see something cool? What shows you how cool they are, Bob? They don't let nothing get to them. They're so edgy that they'll watch people saying rape jokes for two hours. It really was kind of a different era of comedy. No, yeah, stuff, things have changed and I'm sure in some people's opinions for the worse,

I don't agree with that but anyway bob's is bob seger still doing stuff i don't know i barely know anything about bob seger this feels like a very kind of old person in the 90s it is a very dead band a dead guy to be into before my time perhaps In the summertime In the sweet summertime Aw, Clancy and Sarah could get down to that. He probably did. He wrote one of the worst songs ever, old-time rock and roll.

Sorry, he recorded one of the worst songs ever. That recording is what we all know it from Don't want to play it? No, don't play it, please That kind of music, you're right It does get the Wiggums in the mood, I bet It's funny when they go from that scene To then her helping Ralph get dressed

In his old- timey button seats pajamas yeah uh they have to have or the coveralls that don't quite cover all they choose to have a family portrait inside there just for newer viewers to know what the wig and family oh i didn't notice that yeah that's a good touch it's a cute it's a cute moment there i sarah wiggum she's i like her i want to know more about sarah and why she's a clone of her husband Sarah Wiggum, I like her. I want to know more about Sarah Wiggum. And why she's a clone of her husband. I thought we outlawed clones. Dress myself.

It's a good Ralph line. Dress myself is a really good Ralph line, yeah. Then we also get to see Homer in his tuxedo. I like a good tuxedo rental joke. All the mileage out of it? No, I didn't do that when I rented my tuxedo that I got married in. Well, it was white Yeah, it was white

It's even riskier to eat pizza with that I've never worn a tuxedo, but my girlfriend rented one once Because it's a novelty when you're in high school and you're a girl Oh, yeah You get to wear a tuxedo and it's kind of dangerous It was fun I'm looking at the picture of it now on the thing It was fun

I used one of those They're not paying us to advertise, so I'm not going to say their name but i used one of those online tuxedo rental things and it worked out pretty good especially because you can just go to jam it through the mail slot i did jam it through the mail slot but also in this case in san francisco they had their own try it on store for fitting so i could even just do a fitting in person at the store which is pretty nice but they're wonderful tuxedos because they call back to mario odyssey ah yep yeah that was that was all darren's idea so we know that mario and bowser are both virgins it's very important i would agree with that well boy where's that bowser jr come from

uh but lisa's quite a popular babysitter. Thanks for the ride. Well, you did a first-rate job of babysitting. I've never seen such a responsible young lady. Thank you, Dr. Hibbert. Your trust means so much to me. I only wish my Volvo mechanic were as reliable. Good night, Lisa.

You made all that money for sitting around and watching TV and eating food? There's a lot more to it than that, Bart. I don't just babysit. I sell peace of mind for a dollar an hour. Two dollars after nine o'clock. Man, if I was making that kind of money, I'd be out of here so fast. I love him driving away fully reclined. It's a great visual.

Moments like that, I love that Hibbert knows he's a sitcom character. He's like, well, that's my joke. Goodbye. He just jams the gas while, I would think, staring at his ceiling. Like, he can't see where he's going. Or his feet, or like the pedals. Yeah. Doesn't he have three kids?

He has more than three, I think. One that's like a teenager? Well, they got rid of the Theo kid. Oh, yeah, the Theo kid, maybe he's gone off to college so that's why they need a babysitter. Oh, okay, that makes a little more sense. The Rudy kid, maybe, I think, babysitting that kid. Yeah, it's a lot of kids at once to take care of. I don't know. I was just thinking that there's a whole hidden story going on there, because at least one of them

has to be older than Lisa. Did they resent Lisa? Was she able to prove herself? Ooh, I i want you know yeah there's there's a story there my theory is they're having an intervention for beatrice or bernice sorry bernice i'm thinking of duckman which we'll see in the next episode 18th amendment yes in the next episode it's all paying off god we're all i'm so mixed up They're having an intervention for Hibbert's wife, and one of the kids is too young for it. Oh, my God, that's, I love that. It all makes sense.

I also, it's a- Well, this is pretty much Simpsons canon. We've done our job. It's also a very sibling thing to have one sibling see the other succeeding and just see the fruits of their labor. Like, I want that money. Why don't I want that money why don't i get that money you can do a lot better than two and a dollar an hour she's undercharged

especially in 1997 come on yeah and i like too that it looks like a fat wad of cash lisa has but it's all ones which would seem like a lot to an eight-year-old i would think that it is a very kid thing that she's doing is methodically laying out her money and just like counting it oh my i did it all the time i think i have paid like 25 30 dollars just for one evening wow and this was would have been like 1996 that twin cities money floating around two nights it goes pretty far you can go get a street car and go to the movies the cinema house steak and kitty pie uh but two two nights of that and you can get yourself a copy of Turok. My Turok fund is growing. And also Bart's statement of like, I'd be out of here so fast.

It's like he's still, like you said, he's stuck here until he can steal a car. He's still dreaming of it. But it's also reflective of your weird skewed idea of money when you were a kid. When I was Bart's age, I was kind of like, $100? Oh my god, if I had $100, I'd be set for life. That would be it. My life would change. Yep.

$300? That's... I can't even fathom that amount of money. I could buy a Super Nintendo and some games. I could buy two games. So it's the big night for Homer and Marge, and it's pretty sad that Bart can't see this coming. There's a weird little line before the clip here where it's not for a joke that Lisa says Marge smells like vanilla. It's just, I guess I took it as just it's supposed to be a contrast to how Homer is, I suppose.

Maybe the perfume is kind of cheap, you know? Maybe. I don't know. But Homer also saying, like, can you see the pie stains? Like, that's cute. Though you can't see the pie stains. It's not in the character model. That's true.

I love the monocle. Yes. He has that more than I thought he would after this scene. A monocle is a lot of work to keep in your face, too. It's such a Homer thing where he's overdressing

because they say it's a black tie affair, but most people are just kind of wearing. Yeah. People are business casual at best at that party. And he's showing up in a frigging tux with a monocle. It's nice. It's nice. Dad,

you look totally classy. You could be Abe Lincoln's father's boss. Can you see the pie stains? It'll be dark. So when's grandpa getting here to babysit? Grandpa's not coming. Oh, not Patty and Selma.

Actually, Bart, Lisa's going to be in charge tonight. What? I know she's young, but Lisa has proven herself mature and dependable. Dad, help me out. Take it like a man, boy, and do everything your little sister says. This is an outrage. I am two years and 38 days older than she is. This is the greatest injustice in the history of the world.

Well, we have to run. I'm sure you kids will work things out. Good night. Make sure he brushes his teeth, Lisa. Marge is being a really bad parent there. Yeah. The tension is obvious. This is not going to be a good night.

It's hilarious that she goes like Well goodbye gotta go That's a point where a lot of people Kind of part ways with this episode Is that Homer and Marge make such a Self evidently horrible decision Because it's not going to hold up Because best case Bart just goes I'm not listening to you I'm bigger than you

Deal with it In universe Bart has driven A babysitter insane before Yes actually I want to talk about The history of babysitters On the sensei So famously The first episode

Was supposed to be About a babysitter Some enchanted evening But it ended up being The last episode Because of all the Production problems So there's Lucille Botts

There's also Whatever in that episode The rubber baby Buggy bumper babysitter That wouldn't do it anymore A terrible joke Yeah But it got What's her face on June 4th June 4th Thank you Also we have whatever in that episode, the rubber baby buggy bumper babysitting. That wouldn't do it anymore. A terrible joke. Yeah.

But it got, what's her face on? June 4A. June 4A, thank you. Also, we have Miguel Sanchez as a babysitter. Laura Powers, Grandpa Simpson. Am I forgetting anybody? Laura Powers actually does a great job. She's a good babysitter. She teaches them how to dance and gets food from two guys from Tibet, was it?

No, Afghanistan. Okay, yeah. who does bart say to so he goes like back for more uh just the unnamed girl who then runs away screaming after the joke from that's right homer badman yeah well no that that's separate from homer badman did she have a name ashley grant okay a very boring name that babysitter but i think that's all the babysitters they've had so far. The one I was referring to was in War of the Simpsons where a potential babysitter comes over

and she runs away screaming, and so they just use Grandpa. Yeah. So there's that one, too. And Bart brings up other babysitters that they've had in the past, like Grandpa and Patty and Selma, so they're establishing some canon there.

Yeah, Patty and Selma babysat for them when they went to the rib, all-you-can-eat barbecue ribs place. And in Homer alone. I imagine that Homer and Marge are so desperate for a time alone that they're willing to take any opportunity they possibly can to not have to owe a favor to Grandpa or Patty and Selma. I guess. You can see Marge is clearly desperate to leave, to get out of the house but she is leaving lisa to hell though i also in this but they think she can handle it

because she is a genius yeah they should know bart by now it's like literally a hellion who has driven women insane babysitters insane no bart put that down nos me of Yeah There's that one too Yeah No Bart No Reminds me of Calvin and Hobbes Where Calvin Has his big rival With rivalry With his

Oh yeah Baby sitter as well I love those ones Except that she kind of Has Gets the best of him He's always doing Crazy things

She's smart and cool And every time The parents would come home They'd have to give her More money Yeah she's good I respect her i i think my favorite one of those in calvin and hobbes was the stupendous man one yes that was

the best one i love that i always loved when he would bring stupendous man into other areas of the comic when he's running around in his underwear and she's like what the heck are you doing he's like stupendous man away and then he also would try to do the comic book thing of like well i don't know who this guy is you're talking about i've been upstairs away and then he also would try to do the comic book thing of like well i don't know who this guy is you're talking about i've been upstairs studying and then she immediately was like no you're lying we're much better than quail man i gotta say the rest of this episode is kind of painful more than just the dislocated arm we get later and that it is a lot of just like very vicious little kid behavior very realistically

observed yep and it reminds me too much of me and my sister and all of the weird like uh kid logic you would use and shitty little fights you would have and i mean it's not like writerly it's just it's very very observational and very like just kids being kids and that is very uncomfortable for me a lot of people don't like it. But I'm kind of the flip side. I actually do like it because it's Bart acting much more naturally as a 10-year-old. It's very well done, but I think it's so well done that it's almost hard to watch. They're just being little vicious kids to each other.

I feel bad for Lisa in this instance because I've been in the Lisa role where you're just being tormented by somebody who is doing things like go to bread. Yeah. Where they're taking every little pedantic thing that you say and turning it back on you. Well, here's an interesting view I had on it though this time is that when Marge reveals that it's going to be Lisa, Lisa then starts grinning behind Bart. And I think that shows you that before they told bart they did tell lisa this is not a surprise to lisa and they planned it with her so if they planned it with her then she seemed to think this would go better than it did which if she did then that was a huge mistake on her part she thought she had a win i guess she's like i'm in charge now her brother for sure like

this is a big win on him it it infantilizes him to a degree which like that's it always feels good when you can get a win on a sibling through a parent that is the ultimate arbiter of like you beat your sibling tonight because a parent took your side i was babysitting my sister by 10 so like i think also she's received so much praise from all of these adults, she's overestimated her ability to handle Barts. Yeah. So she thinks she's,

she's in way over her head, but she's been, her head has been inflated by all of this praise for her honestly good work as a babysitter. She can handle Dr. Hibbert's kids. I mean, what else, what else can Bart possibly offer?

Also, I got to think Ralph has more problems to babysit than they would show to that one little scene. How awkward is it that she babysat the kid that she went on a date with once? Oh, God, I didn't even think about that. Well, Ralph has lost a few IQ points since that episode. He sure has.

And his acting ability. I'm pretty sure he's been sniffing paint or something at this point. Like, he's got brain damage. So we come back. Lisa is microwaving lima beans, which is like, ugh. pretty sure he's been sniffing paint or something at this point like he's got brain damage uh so we come back lisa is microwaving lima beans which like yeah come on boil those at least if they're frozen lima beans like you said it's not clever it's just very real bart's reaction like you're so dead you're dead like that's that's what a little kid would say to the another little kid

they were mad at well they kind of softened Bart's personality, I suppose, over the past few seasons. And I suppose this is getting back to basics with him. Bad boy Bart. He's doing realistic little bad kid things. He's not doing outlandish, strange, bizarre pranks that no child could do. He's just doing prank calls and getting food everywhere

and not eating his dinner and things like that and banging his head against the wall. I'm actually a baby. Oh god, I hate that part. Instead of setting up a giant tree that's going to smash their substitute teacher in the face. Yeah, exactly. These are all things

a kid could do. Meanwhile, Homer is pretty jerk-ass in this scene here. Oh, I love this pedestrian mall. There's practically no traffic. I don't think we should be driving here. The mayor's yelling at us. Stop, you idiot! All right, all right.

Jeez. Okay, honey. Remember where we're parked. They're parked on the Children's Message of Peace. I like how the car knocked over the red velvet robe or whatever. Well, so why I call this a jerk-ass scene, Homer's always been this stupid. And what makes it extra jerk-ass to me is when Marge is like, please, you should park. That he has a very bad husband reaction.

I'm like, jeez, enough, you bad lax. I'll park. Marge is right, Homer. You need to park this car and his reaction of just acting like she's being a jerk for telling him to park it's a great fear of mine to end up in a situation like that where i'm driving through a place i'm clearly not supposed to be and people are all around me that is i've seen cars do that that's been an anxiety dream of mine too yeah like i went the wrong way down a one-way street i and

everyone knows i drove wrong and they're all judging me oh no yeah and people are yelling stop you idiot yes good uh nice like doppler effect on uh on quimby going like stop you i mean i i drove once in new york city when i had to drop a friend off there and that's how i felt every second like i'm i'm doing everything Well, the first time I moved to San Francisco and the number of times that... You can't turn left on a lot of the streets in San Francisco. So driving in San Francisco is a freaking nightmare.

Just trying to drive in downtown San Francisco and navigate from one side of Market Street to the other. So many streets are one-way streets, too. You're very apt to end up in a situation like homer just did no my my mom uh only for my wedding did my mom and stepdad drive through san francisco they never want to do that any other time because it's just too stressful but we weren't going to take the part to my to city hall uh it was a very sweet day but yeah so i couldn't

tell if there was an original search for this because there are countless trite drawings of kids holding hands across the globe like i don't know if there's any direct reference for this because when i did a google search for it there were just like 800 different versions of this like some with jesus on him some without but reminds me of the whole we are the world thing with michael jackson oh yeah or or buy the world a coke it has a very feeling of that so we were all that was a huge thing in the what late 80s so we are the world yeah yeah i think it's just a thing you could put in a major capitalist setup where it's like see we care about kids here's the thing that we asked the school to do

it's somewhat a political message of peace question mark question mark hey for these kids huh talk about the kids acting real like this is not just part but also this feels like the first time in a long time maggie has acted like a baby a real baby in here yeah may i have some more lima beans please certainly more than that Certainly More More More Uh, maybe you should eat the ones you have I didn't say I was gonna eat them I just wanted to look at them because they're so gross

What's for dessert? Bart, if you don't want to have a babysitter Maybe you should stop being such a baby Oh, I'm a baby, huh? Well, then I'll act like a baby Gaga, Google Even babies know how to open and close their mouths Oh, I'm a baby, huh? Well, then I'll act like a baby. Ga-ga-goo-goo. Even babies know how to open and close their mouths. You need a bib.

Oh, baby hate bib. Wah, wah. Ah, ah. Oh, look, Bart, now you got Maggie all upset. Relax. I'll give her some ice cream. Ah. Bart, that her some ice cream. Bart, that's coffee ice cream. It has caffeine in it.

Well, I guess that'll make things more interesting for you now, won't it? I see a major problem with this in that Bart should also not have coffee ice cream at night. That's true. Yeah. But that's my favorite kind of ice cream, by the way. It's the only way I like coffee. I don't like hot coffee or even iced coffee. You don't like coffee?

No, I never. I live a pretty caffeine-free life, guys. You Mormon, you. It's the only healthy thing about me, I will say. Hey, black coffee is good for you, I've been told. No, well, when I've ever had... I feel like I've told this story before, but the last time I really had coffee, when I was doing a comic convention for a website that sucks and uh when i was at a fandom yes at fandom so

when i was at that it was the second day and i was exhausted already i was like i need to pick me up i never have caffeine i'm gonna drink this frappuccino this like pre-bottled i'm not even gonna go into a starbucks and get a new frappuccino it's gonna be one of those pre-bottled i'm not even gonna go into a starbucks and get a new frappuccino it's gonna be one of those pre-bottled ones you buy at the cvs so i drink that and an hour later my hands are like shaking i cannot stop shaking my hands and i feel like i'm about to have like a panic attack i'm like what happened why do i feel this bad and then i remembered i drank one thing of coffee and i had way too much energy. Like it fucked up my whole day. So that's why I just can't.

It, and another time, the only other time I remember having coffee in like the last five years was I was in Tokyo also feeling very tired and I walked by a boss coffee. Didn't you? No, no, I was,

I was, those are really good, aren't they? I was walking by McDonald's. I was just giving away iced coffees, but like a half-sized thing of it. And I drank it, and I had a headache the rest of the day. It was just too much.

I don't even think I have a ceiling on my coffee intake anymore because I work from home, and I drink coffee all day. I at least have a pot a day. Yeah, and then I'll go out somewhere to do more writing or do more podcast stuff. I'll be like, well, I can't not drink more coffee. I'm doing fine. I'll be flying somewhere and the flight attendant will be like,

do you want any coffee or cream or sugar with you? I'm like, no, just give it to me black. And let me tell you guys, I got a real problem with you non-coffee people in line at the coffee place getting your fancy milkshakes and your little mixed dealies and I just want black coffee. Just give it to me me put it in my veins yes exactly get out of the line I want my black coffee

but I do like coffee ice cream that's the one exception I make yes with little chunks of I love Maggie on a caffeine addiction because she becomes like a monkey or something because she's climbing on the shower curtain rod a little bit later because her superhuman powers well and Re's climbing on the shower curtain rod a little bit later super

human powers and uh reardon mentions on the commentary they cut out animation for her so she just kind of pops from pose to pose when she's looking around like she's that hyped up from it and uh yeah it is also it's so real like yeah well i'm the baby lisa's trying to really meet bart halfway through. She's like, you made me waste a bunch of lima beans, but I'm still going to be nice here. Look, I'll go straight to ice cream. Just have your ice cream. He's like, no.

She's dealing with a 10-year-old boy. Yeah. I mean, you have a younger brother. You know that brothers can be kind of awful. Oh, I would have never wanted to. My little brother wouldn't have listened to me babysitting him. And I technically was older than him and had society on my side as the older one. No jury would convict you. Well, I want to go over all the stores at the waterfront.

They're really good. This is like sign gag city. So here are all the stores that are there that I spotted. So there's Turban Outfitters, Just Rain Sticks. That's my favorite. I love Itban outfitters just rain sticks that's my favorite uh i love it's a wonderful knife that's my favorite my first tattoo which is uh there's a lot of great animation of children getting tattoos in the window uh much ado about muffins uh crypto barn a place for codes and for some reason uh herman is hanging out in front of there that's diversifying itchy and scratchy store with poochy closeout sale i love that gag and it

looks like a disney store it's a really that's the point because disney stores are becoming a thing in the mid 90s oh yeah and i loved him as a kid but the poochie closeout sale i nice love that nice little bit of continuity from my favorite episode to go yeah uh malaria zone with a tsetse fly shirt sale instead of a t-shirt sale i think that's supposed to be like the amazon cafe i thought banana republic that was oh okay marge name checks it uh and then planet hype uh planet hollywood and we talked to well at least we asked dan granny about this but at some point they were asked to write an episode including the main people from planet hollywood the the now not famous but then famous restaurant chain, it was Bruce Willis, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Sylvester Stallone.

And they were told, like, if you write a script and mention Planet Hollywood in it, these guys will all do the episode. So they did that. And then they found out it was a publicist who had the request and they were not being honored by the actual celebrities. There was no commitment from those celebrities. And I have to wonder who wrote that script

and what portions of it made it into other episodes in the future. They wouldn't have just thrown it away if they wrote an entire script. Have you guys been to a Planet Hollywood?

I have. I never have. I went once. There was a Planet Hollywood in the Mall of America. Ooh, wow. I went and it's kind of a crappy chain restaurant

with a lot of paraphernalia and it actually didn't last that long. No, this is when they were, I mean, I think they had been a thing since the late 80s, but this is when they had celebrity endorsement and they were expanding before they-

It was very cool, you know, in 1996. Well, themed restaurants were just kind of everywhere in the late 90s. One of my favorite Upright Citizens Brigade episodes is all about themed restaurants. I'm sorry, Henry. Yeah, when they say there's a themed restaurant popping up every five minutes in America,

this is where chaos can breed. And no, me and Bob have talked many times about how the overly babysitting manager from that episode is one of the funniest things ever. That's probably my favorite sketch from that entire series. We did the episode together. With my hands.

We did the episode together where Mo my hands. We did the episode together where Mo did his theme restaurant. That's right, yeah. It was definitely of that era. We talked a little bit about kind of the rise of those chains like TGI Fridays, TGI McScratchies. And yeah, this is a fairly new thing

circa early 1990s. It wasn't actually that played out in 1997. You know, I wonder if they took some of the jokes from their planet hollywood script and put it in that mo one i wonder if that's where something came from the i've been to a planet hollywood i thought it was fine i mean it's just like more expensive strip mall type food the i guess it depends on your one too like you get you can as somebody who likes movies and likes movie trivia it's fun to be like oh that's a prop from this film what an odd film to see it's the alec baldwin suit from the phantom exactly i'm sorry the shadow the phantom was

a different that was billy zane that's right slamming evil but but i i liked planet hollywood more than the only other one of these i went to that is like at the hard rock cafe i've only went to that once uh at universal studios florida and it was actually awful because uh it was during a day when my friends ditched me it was for a school field trip and my group immediately ditched me which made me feel very good but then i found new another group of guys who couldn't ditch me and i wouldn't let them uh and then we went to hard rock cafe and uh what a bb king's guitars well yeah it was not interesting to me and i felt bad for our now i look back on it i feel bad for our server because if I'm a server

who is now serving only a group of 14-year-old kids, you would think these kids are not going to tip me and I fucking hate them. Yes. They're going to leave a huge mess. Well, and so I only ordered wings and I swear to God there was a fly on my wings that I didn't put there.

But when I told the server that they- You put the fly on the wings? No, but I think the server thought I did and was fucking with them to get free food. I was like, hey, there's a fly on this. The old fly gag again, eh? But that was pretty nice, too. I think that was pretty nice, too, because everybody else was like,

well, let's split the bill. I hate splitting the bill. Even as a 14-year-old, I was like, this is the worst. I could just say, well, they copped my food, so I don't got to split this bill with you guys go go right ahead there was no venmo in 1996 i have thankfully never set foot in a hard rock cafe however when i was in high school i went on a school trip to london yes and oh my god cat and a whole bunch of people went to hard rock cafe for some reason because that was cool which i mean i guess i think i may have

alluded to how friggin lame my school high school was they all loved creed and they all went to hard rock cafe in london yes i went to like the kid jail for our school trip we spent a solid year raising money for that i see i might add at least eat at a london chain restaurant like i will have you know that i did i went to a proper pub oh that's nice because you could drink at 18 oh wow yeah just rain sticks is my favorite because those were the things i would go straight to at those types of stores in malls i'd be like time to turn over all the rain sticks at once and hear them go like i'm sure that uh entertain the cashiers quite a lot i mean so talking about the mall of america this waterfront thing with all the chain stores does

really remind me like the look of it where it was very new and kitschy and very 90s that was very mall of america circa at that time and frankly hasn't changed all that when you were excited about stores well i remember walking into those kinds of places and seeing everything look so clean, which maybe in the 1980s, that wasn't as much of the case. I don't remember things being nearly as clean. Well, everyone was smoking in the mall in the 80s.

Yes, exactly. And the signage all was a lot, I suppose, nicer or something like that. There was just a certain look to how things were in the 90s so and this chain and this gentrified waterfront is very much the case yeah and i also like homer bringing up yuppies versus slackers which feels like a thing that's a very 80s thing that's what people cared about when the white working class had money that was those were the divides i'm more of a slacker i Oh, I'm totally a slacker, baby. I like the little

Moe joke of his incredibly possibly long hallway to his... That's cool animation. It was good, yes. That's actually my line of the show. This isn't a faux dive bar. This is a dive. I say that a lot when I judge bars, because I like dive bars, but there are too many faux dive bars in the Bay Area,

because you can't actually have a dive bar. I hate proper dive bars. Because when you walk into a dive bar, you know you're in a dive bar. That's true. Because it smells like pee, the beer is awful, and the clientele is usually kind of, ooh, they're in there for the $5 beer,

which you know is a dive bar because it has $5 beer. Oh man, the dive bars in my town had $1 beer. Well, it's $5 in San Francisco. That's true. I guess there are no true dive bars, but the bars I like are divey. I kind of have a good dive bar I'd go to over a good faux dive

bar, but I go to a good faux dive bar over a bad dive bar over a bad faux dive bar. I think Acme, local reference for Berkeley, is divey, but it's not a dive bar because it's too expensive to be a dive bar.. Because it's too expensive to be a dive bar. Everything around here is too expensive to be a dive bar. So I thought a faux dive bar started to become more of a thing in the 2000s, I want to say.

So I was a little surprised and amused that we had an instance in the mid-90s of Mo kind of rebranding. Well, jokes like this also feel like L.A. getting into the show. Yeah, for sure. Complaining about making fun of a yuppie who's just like this is a flow dive like that is a hollywood phony right there they probably had brunch at santa monica yeah oh my god it's also like universal city walk too a bit of that it feels like too yeah i the uh the cadillac in the planet hollywood too that's way cooler than whatever like hard rock cafe has like the hard rock had cooler shirts that you would see people Cadillac in the Planet Hollywood 2. That's way cooler than whatever Hard Rock Cafe has.

The Hard Rock had cooler shirts that you would see people wear. And to prove I went to the Hard Rock in Las Vegas, aren't I cool? That's where they filmed Con Air. Remember that? But meanwhile, what's Hans Mo Man doing in that Cadillac? Where'd he get it? Clearly he's not ready to drive a Cadillac. Here's another story.

Give me the story of how Hans Mohmann drove that thing Give me another 22 short films about Springfield Right now Meanwhile Lisa is struggling While Bart makes some calls Lots more coffee Are you getting ready for bed Bart? I am

That's right I want the 25 footfoot Italian party sub. And don't skimp on the vinegar. It's time Lisa learned what babysitting Bart Simpson is all about. Um, yes, I'd like to host an AA meeting. Tonight, if possible.

We don't see the payoff for that joke, though. Yeah, I guess they told him he couldn't. Yeah. That's where that ended. They never showed up, apparently. I like Lisa's wilted hair because it got wet from trying to bathe Maggie in her very... She starts to get dark circles in her eyes and... She's getting pretty exhausted. And then also her trying to drag Bart.

That is also just so real, kid. I'm just going to go limp. This is all I can do. I can't really physically resist you, but I'm going to have to make you work to drag me to the car, mom. So her dealing with Maggie made me think of, like now, made me think of my friends who are parents and having to deal. One of them has a three-year-old daughter and she's pretty rambunctious. Let's just say that. And a three-year-old would be the kind of,

would be the type to just fall on the floor and just go completely limp. And you're trying to be like, oh my God, please get up. Stop just laying there dead weight. As a rule, I am not friends with parents. All my friends have to be childless weirdos like me. So just a warning for any of you out there.

Well, I have nothing against friends who have parents, but I do think you're a little weird. Yeah. In this economy? In this economy? No, thank you. Mackie looks out for one guy. You pointed that out before.

This really was a mistake on Marge and Homer's part. It's like an infant should not be watched by an eight-year-old. No. Well, I was actually taught in the babysitter course how to look after young children. Okay. Rope. That was the thing. They're choking on a thing.

What do you do to save their lives? So you're not liable. But if I were a parent, there's no way in hell I would... If I were a parent, there's just no way in hell that I would entrust a young child to a teenager, knowing what a teenager would do. It is illegal. That's why my mom told us, like, don't tell anybody we're leaving you home alone. I mean, don't you need someone of a certain age to watch smaller children? I guess in the law's eyes, perhaps.

That's for the courts to decide. Well, these same friends kind of have their parents nearby. In fact, I would say a lot of my friends who are parents have moved back to be near their parents so that if they want to go on a date, they can dump the kids

with the parents. Operation sponge. I also like Lisa being furious at Bart for trying to compare himself to Mahatma Gandhi, which he has not heard of. But then Lisa gets some visitors. Good evening there, miss. Here's your giant sub, swimming in vinegar, just the way you like it. It's going to be $225 plus tip.

What? I didn't order any giant sub. Hey, hey! Are you ready to get rowdy? Excuse me? Somebody hired me for an emergency bachelor party. Well, there's been a mistake. Well, I'm not leaving until I get paid. I get 500 just for hey, hey.

Who called for an emergency cysterectomy? Ah! Who called for an emergency cysterectomy? We got a report that a Lisa Simpson spotted a UFO. I didn't see any UFO. That's right, miss. You didn't. I'm here to pick up the ambassador from Ghana. Well, he's not here! Nobody's here! And none of you should be here! You've all been tricked!

Why would the ambassador do such a thing? This is ridiculous. Another good line. Yeah, so there's some good animation in this scene. So I put this on my Twitter. I never saw this until you tweeted this out. It'll be a while ago by the time this goes live, but Kr crusty bursting

through the door like coming at the screen and the one italian guy like just the force of the door opening kicks him off screen he flies off of his feet and lisa is like shielded by the door but it's really good animation and crusty's face just like burst into the screen it's so it's so good the way the sandwich guy zips off screen it's almost like the poochie to his home planet just lifted away. It physically can't happen. In like three frames, he's off the screen. And also, I have to point out another thing I noticed is that the scientist guy with the syringe is the NASA guy with the blackjack from Deep Space Homer. So, same character design, and he's still employed to hurt

people for the space program yes to keep things a secret instead of keeping the monkeys that learn how to speak when they go into outer space a secret i have to say that i found this whole sequence slightly rough just in the sense of maybe the idea of swatting somebody or prank calling has gotten really nasty on the internet. It's true. It used to be pizza. Now cops will murder your dog and often you if you beat someone in Fortnite. Oh, boy.

Yeah, no. This prank is real. Well, to an extent, these are real pranks. But also, Bart would go to jail for that prank 911 call. Like, that is illegal. Multiple prank calls to 911. Cysterectomy is so clever, though. They take it seriously, too.

Well, in a case of severe butt rot. I think now, in an age where everyone has credit cards, they would require, all of these services require you to put a credit card down payment down on something first. Scams were easier back then, yeah. No, you could still order a pizza from some pizzerias

if you give them a call. Delivery would just cash, maybe. The food, yeah, I can see, but not like other things. Like Krusty. Krusty would want money up front. I don't know who did it to me, but I did once get pranked in high school. Somebody

sent over a pizza delivery that we didn't ask for and we're just like well that's not our pizza i'm sorry and the guy just left pissed and only later did my mom say like you should just like tipped him or something or bought the pizza i was like well but i didn't buy that pizza you could have bartered for that pizza and now i think back to like what does that guy care anyway he just just goes back and like, yeah, it's not my pizza. Free pizza. Although he's got to pay for that gas money. Yeah, it's true.

But I never found out who did that to me. I mean, there were a few ex-friends of my brother at the time. It could have been those guys. What a dumb prank anyway. It's like, he's going to get a pizza, then it won't be his. And then he won't want it because it's a pizza that you know the guys who deliver the party sub if they had said the name of the place they worked at and or named themselves i think they would have been recurring characters yeah there's four distinct italians but when i looked it up on the wiki they

never made another appearance he's just sandwich guy i love their design too like the italian fly colors and everything it's really cool and it's like uh and he doesn't really have a joke other than swimming in vinegar but i also like when he says 225 bucks plus tip like he's like where's that tip back come on it's a really long sub to transport i wonder if it's the same sub place that made the giant sandwich that made homer sick i hope not because they're all eating the sandwich as people come in yeah i think while they made the right choice of like well no one's buying this sandwich time to eat this we're just eating the sandwich before it goes bad also that crusty was animated by the idea of a emergency bachelor party that's pretty great the way bart positions himself yeah on the stairs like what a little shit like he's sitting in stadium seating or bleachers or something to watch this

action unfold and humiliate her with a photograph for later too like what a what a dick you don't feel bad for him uh later and then like you said this is more very kid moment here. I thought I told you to go to bed. Yeah, right, bread. You said go to bread. I said go to bed. Yeah, go to bread. B-E-D, bed. Oh, bed. Oh.

Well, anything you say, sis. You didn't say which bed. Go to your bed. Make me. I'll make you. If you want me, you gotta catch me. Almost. Oh, so close.

Fight! Oh, my God. Okay, we'll call it even if I can just have some of that big sandwich. I'll come back. And that's how Bart broke his neck. Yeah, Bart is dead. He's a dead child. This reminds me a lot. I think it's in Burns' Arrow when Homer falls down the stairs and he hits his head every time oh yeah and he even gets a son of a and it feels like

there are too many stairs it's like they make the stairs extra long when he's going down three story stairs that bart went down to that was a real long fall why i also that is a very kid escalation of pretending to mishear something and then once you can finally exhausted all the limits of mishearing things with bread or choosing a different bed to go to then you escalated to make me and then you get physical there's a lot of this in life and hell comics oh yeah a lot of matt graining reflecting on growing up with older siblings and there's there's a lot of strips that are just this where it'll be the older bunny telling the younger bunny, today's opposite day, do you want me to hit you? And then it having a terrible conclusion.

So, like, just the way that your siblings will torture you. And finally, he managed to drag Lisa, who initially is like, certainly, down to his level where she is trying to tackle him. And they're basically roughhousing. And I think that was his goal all along. Tear her down, make her think she's not so good. Bring her down to Bart's level. And, oh boy, this arm injury. I mean...

I'm just hearing it. Do we want to play? I'll play. We'll have to. For completeness' sake, for history's sake, feel free to go forward, folks, if it's sad, really gross.

It's so gross. Ew, your arm! It's got extra corners! Yeah! Oh, cool. It must be dislocated or something. We have to get you to the emergency room. And get this fixed? What's the rush? Don't you want everyone to see what a responsible babysitter

you were? Stop it! Stand still! Maybe I can pop it back in. Oh no! I'm going to preserve the evidence until Mom and Dad get home. And you'll never babysit again! Oh. We're all like leaning away from the microphones

as if that will help help We can't focus They lay off of that After this scene That's the most they do I think it happens Once in the dream sequence But that is all you get Of that gristle sound

Just the sound of like Just tendons Wouldn't he be in Like a lot of pain He should be I So I think I have

Not had this injury But I did break my left arm once And Like the humerus bone so the bone above the elbow and for about an hour it was just numb i was in shock it felt like uh actually when it broke i couldn't move my arm but it felt like everything below my wrist just wasn't there it was like in a hole football injury right yeah uh it was from us

thinking that we could do mma things you're really uh you're still a wrestling fan even though you've told this story before it's a gross story but anyway but anyway i'm just saying when i broke my arm it didn't hurt until over an hour later and boy did it hurt then so i think bart is just kind of in the shock moment of it of just like his adrenaline is preventing him from feeling pain also it's not just his arm if he is concussed bart is concussed and maybe his brain's just not working in general to feel that pain and then he concusses himself again later yes well once you get one concussion it's easier to get a second one oh man that actually

makes sense so that's how he knocked himself out that is kind of a scary scene to me now oh yeah it's like wow bark could be dead like you should not you should not pass out if you've got a concussion it's bad news when he's gonna be in worse like he's had permanent brain damage at this point like just god the sound and the look of it it's this is why every time when we get to this point in the uh my vhs fast forward to 18th amendment no more it was pretty rough for me to watch the way it like dangles and yeah it's it's rough it's there's a reason i don't watch sports injury stuff whenever an athlete has an absolutely horrific injury i yeah they always post it on a whole bunch of

sports like watch the replay like why would would I watch the replay of this awful thing? Same in MMA when somebody breaks something in an MMA match. I'm like, I don't want to watch that guy break his arm. That's not cool to see. But speaking of Bart being a 10-year-old boy, he has had multiple limbs broken at this point. Yeah. And he just thinks it's neat. Well, so this isn't a break.

It's a dislocation, which would explain how he can get it set back and he'd believably not be in a cast in next week's episode. I heard getting whatever dislocated is still really painful. Oh, no. It doesn't fix overnight. That's for sure. No, Bart does have it in a sling after this.

But yeah, I'm sorry, listener. They did such a good job with it, though. It is good, disgusting, real sound. Great sound design. I bet we're going to get a ton of horrifying comments in the comments about people's own injuries. Oh, God. About how they make it themselves.

Don't get too grisly in the descriptions, please. I want pictures. No. They can't post pictures. It's safe. You know uh the commentary on this i will mention too i think it is really cute that josh has on his kids uh on it and it's a fun thing to for a memory for them but it does not make it as informative as it could be especially when dan graney apparently missed the recording yeah and so it's just like you don't get to hear... And Dan Graney is so informative.

He remembers seemingly every writing room for every episode he did. And I just think, boy, if Dan Graney was here instead of the Weinstein kids, it might have been more informative. I want to know about Josh's

son's friend with a cast. Did he get better? It's been been 13 years it's purely self-indulgent to bring your kids onto a podcast those kids are like uh are like probably out of high school now i wonder how they feel about being on commentaries i wonder i would be so embarrassed i mean because they are little kids are like he's silly or what's that like it's all little kids there's there's a really cute little kid story of and then my friend alex there's two alex's and one's a boy one's a girl one's alexandra but she goes by alex but the other alex is the one with the cast alex also gets a cast and it's just like yeah all that stuff i was just like this it's cute in how like real it is like oh that's a cute kid story. But I was like, I kind of want to hear some more information.

But though Josh said he saw an injury like that as a kid in real life, too. Which, like, ew. Yukko. All right. Let's have some fun with fountains as a palate cleanser here. Yeah, fun with fountains. You know, honey, when I think of all the good times we've had together...

Did you see that, Marge? Oh, my God! You walked into the fountain! Get out of the fountain! Just stand still and I'll get someone! Don't laugh at me. I was once like you. We did that joke at Universal City Walk.

We didn't act it out, but I believe I said that. But it's not even a joke, but I really like Marge's, you're in the fountain, get out of the fountain. And like, I'll go get someone. Like, just get someone the fountain get out of the mountain and like i'll go get someone like just get water what went and run out of it that's all you have to do i was once i was once like you it's especially great when he delivers that line that like the fountain instead of moving anymore it is now just turned into a cage around him and he's it's almost like an elephant man scene of like please i was once like you you, the writers were probably walking down the street and saw one of those and thought,

huh, they were probably thinking of that. What if Homer was inside? They have scared me just to like, oh, I better be careful. Yeah. That's quite the date they're having at this point. Pretty good. Homer in his pie-stained tuxedo and then driving through crowds where he's not supposed to be and then getting trapped in the

fountain this is a very homer date he was about to say something very sweet to marge that he's never finished that is so great i liked his line before too and he's like you've never been about paris yeah implying homer's been to paris at some point can i just note that's the chanel dress that marge is wearing right not exactly no because Because her one pink one, that got destroyed. The second one she bought that she said she returned, it had black stripes on it. So this design is a bit different from that one. So maybe she returned the other one

and got one that's somewhat simpler? The episode ends with them getting store credit. We don't know if they sell gum, but this could be what she bought with the store credit. A smaller one, and they just will buy more than one dress there uh so then meanwhile bart is concussing himself and his there is an animation fuck up there of bart one of the shots of bart hitting his head he has both hands against the door as he does it meaning his one his right arm is being drawn as working again when he's smashing his head. Oh, okay, okay. A little mistake there. I hope someone got fired

for that blunder. Yes, well we were spared another shot of his horrible mangled arm. Yeah, honestly, I'm glad they missed that. It's a blessing. It's a blessing in disguise. Let's listen some more to his horrible arm. I'll let you ride the llama way through the house. Come on, open the door.

What are you doing now? I'm gonna make the lump even bigger. No! As your babysitter, I order you to stop hitting your head on the wall! Bart? Did you stop because I said to? If so, thank you. Bart? It's kind of scary. It's actually horrifying. Yeah, when she sees his unconscious body through the window.

It's like real terror. It's not funny. It's just like, he could be dead. You're a little kid and you're in charge of your sibling and they have just injured themselves so severely that they do actually have to go to the hospital. And now you're in real danger kind of situation. And that is pretty terrifying. Thankfully, I never experienced anything quite like that.

But we get that from this point on, the episode feels kind of chaotic and out of control as lisa's going from one location to another trying to find a way to do something the universe is out to get lisa she's trying to do everything right here and it's just the universe is set out to destroy her the world doesn't work like that unfortunately well the 9-1-1 that should just be the end of it like she called 9-1-1 and then they come and take him away but unfortunately bart had pranked them too many times i like that they build in that excuse too it's a nice bit of uh rationalizing imagine if she had called them

and they had come and taken it away and homer and march had come home to find out that they had like that ambulance bill and yeah when they need to go get Bart out of the hospital, that's already bad enough news. The evening is ruined. There's no hiding it. Even if in Lisa's plan, she gets to Dr. Nick's and they fix him, Bart still has a sling on.

She's making some bad decisions now, going to Dr. Nick. And a medical bill, too. Yes, that's true. Because Dr. dr nick is cheap but he's not free i'm surprised though there is a joke in the phone book for dr nick as good as dr hibbert but there's no joke in the hibbert yeah hibbert's just uh it's just old hibbert it's just everyone accepts him as the gold standard of doctors and there's no other doctor in springfield apparently other than nick inhibitor blinky's on the cover of the phone book that's cute i like that and that

and that dr nick has switched from doctor but to 555 nick yeah that's his number now i guess he's not so much of a bargain anymore i like that i like the little cartoon illustration that he has it's very friendly i feel like i immediately trust him. He's sewn his lips shut. And he speaks Spanish, too. It says so in the ad. Yeah. It's a nice callback to how things were in the past, too, that Lisa tears the page out of the phone book because that's what you did when you didn't have a phone to just keep

the numbers saved in. You tear it out. I always felt when I saw in, like, say, a detective movie, and they tear it out of a phone book, I'd be like, hey, that's a public phone book, mister. Everybody else needs those yellow pages. Or they'll write on it or something. But Lisa, this is all turning into a nightmare for Lisa. Dislocated shoulder.

Bump on the noggin. My diagnosis? Bad babysitting. Well, near as we could tell, the boy was studying quietly when the girl, drunk on her own sense of power, beat him silly with a block of frozen lima

beans. It's true. Young lady will never babysit again. I am so disappointed. Winked. Winked. Well, I guess I don't have a choice. Complete confidentiality?

Oh, and I'm sure he's as good as Dr. Hibbert. It says so right in his ad. It's good desperate acting from Yley there is lisa too she's she definitely sounds very hairy i'd say in this dream sequence is when they get to cut loose a little bit with this very domestic episode there's great camera angles or some lighting effects i love lighting effects yeah hibbert's pose for bad babysitting we see later is even that makes that joke even better like bad babysitting is such a silly kid imagination of what the guilt because you think well no adult would actually put that much guilt on an eight-year-old so then it makes it even better when in pose and statement

hibbert will do all of this and same staging too and the lima beans uh i forgot that's what they were eating earlier i was like why lima beans but I forgot that's what they were eating earlier. That's right. I was like, why lima beans? But then we talked about it. Oh yeah, that's why they came up again in this episode. It's a really cool callback. And yeah, his arm stuff, even more gross in the fantasy. The last gross arm noise

at least. Thank God. And boy, I could go for some jello shooters right now. Oh yeah. That's how kids get drunk, but I approve of that. Not that, I mean, I approve of their existence, not kids getting drunk. Stay sober, kids. No, I approve of kids getting drunk.

Well, it says, as people know on this podcast, I'm not a fan of beer. I'll drink, especially when it masks flavor of alcohol, which Jell-ello shooters do quite well it's Homer and Marge are worrying about it over jello shots Lisa arrives at the free clinic and these free clinic patients are a bit sketchy and

I this there's a joke in here with Smithers that like I only got I didn't get as a kid I got like as an adult me too I must have like fallen on a got, I didn't get as a kid, I got like as an adult. Me too. Yo, um,

I must have like fallen on a bullet and it like drove itself into my gut. Hey, don't worry. You don't have to make up stories here. Save that for court. Um, excuse me, Mr. Smithers. Bart may be seriously hurt.

Could we possibly go ahead of you? Um, no. I really would rather get this taken care of. Excuse me, little lady. Wheelbarrow line's over there. Wheelbarrow line. Oh, loneliness and cheeseburgers are a dangerous mix. Aw.

Same wheelbarrow, perhaps, that he brought all the tacos from? Yeah, for the Doctor Who marathon, right? For the 100 tacos for 100 bucks, yeah. But yeah, that joke, this feels very much a reversal of what happened on Homer's Phobia, where it's just like, okay, no more of the bad gay jokes, and this is probably the worst gay joke they've done. Well, okay, so Smithers isn't sitting down. So clearly some butt stuff has gone awry for him.

Yes. Yes, that is a gag. And it is very much of the old style of Simpson Smithers joke where the joke is, he's gay. This joke is about him being gay, but we're not saying it. We're being naughty by implying he's gay. And it's also not a fun stereotype. Yeah. Everybody puts stuff up their butts. You don't have to be gay or straight. I mean, it's universal not a fun stereotype yeah hey everybody puts stuff up their butts you don't have to be

gay or straight i mean it's it's it's universal come on true it's true but the uh but yeah his butts it's just i never got it as a kid that it's like the way he's standing too he's standing he's like i something is wrong and i got it this time. I didn't get it in high school. And also it implies like, well, why would Smithers be at this anonymous clinic that also on their checklist has unusual sex practice? Boy, they're being very judgmental. They are. They're not being judgmental of somebody getting shot. He could have prison tunnel syndrome.

They don't know. That sounds like a euphemism for butt stuff, too. This is where I was talking about the sense of things are spinning out of control for Lisa. I would say that a walk-in clinic that has a dude who's bleeding and people in wheelbarrows is a very scary place for a little kid to be. Oh, yeah. If Smithers wasn't dealing with what he's dealing with he probably would be the person to say like you shouldn't be here yeah she's in a sketchy part of town alone with her sister and a cat carrier yeah that too yeah i forgot to mention that yeah poor maggie yeah the frustration yeah i love the animation too of maggie

groping bart's face, his unconscious face. She's like, oh, Maggie. This is the best Maggie episode in ages, to be honest. Well, because she's doing things. Yeah, she's actually more than just kind of a prop in the background. And she is not acting like a baby who understands words or can do things. She just acts like a baby. She's not leading a baby who understands words or can do things. She's not leading a baby rebellion.

And yeah, the wheelbarrow underrated in the wheelbarrow joke is Frank in a wheelbarrow with a monkey that has a thing on its head, which would explain that he had been given smarts enough to put Frank in a wheelbarrow, but it kind of not had it removed from

his head. So he like, Frank was like, just drag me here. Who cares about the thing? Just rip it off. What was going on with Jasper? I forget. Jasper was just sitting there.

I don't think he had any. His beard was not caught in a pencil sharpener. There wasn't any obvious problem for Jasper there. At least. He's just bent over. Yeah. I guess. I mean, maybe Jasper threw out his back,

perhaps. Also in the lineup. He seems to really like Dr nick he trusts him i guess yeah and he got a really he got a nose job from him for free not too long ago that's true though you know hibbert clearly saved his life not too long ago because he only had six seconds left to live at one point it's true so hibbert must have saved actually he's not bent over he bends over to talk to lisa but in in other scenes he's just sitting straight up in his chair yeah i don't know what jasper and and john schwartzwelder is drawn in there too as well he's well sketchy guys there's one guy right behind uh bart and lisa in the scene that's got to be

the director or an animator 800 that is too specific well that's not jim reardon i know how jim reardon that's me before I got my haircut. It's just a regular looking guy with slightly longer hair. Oh, yeah. And I wonder too, the monkey with Frank. Is that the monkey that prevented him from having a story in the 22 short films? Oh. That could be the very same monkey. I like this.

Yeah, we got another story that we could add to the Planet Hollywood thing and the Dr. Hibbert story. So we've got three stories out of the 22 short stories. Just throw Jasper in there as well. Yeah, he could do something. And so then Wiggum runs into Lisa. Ooh, I love this. Hold it right there.

Well, if it isn't Springfield's finest little babysitter, Lisa Simpson. Hi, how are you? I'm fine. Now, Lisa, when you're walking down the side of the road, you always want to be sure to go with traffic, okay? Well, is that with traffic or against traffic? No, it's with traffic. With traffic. Anyway, good night.

Hold on a minute. Let me have a look at that wheelbarrow, please. Okay. Just as I thought. It's a Yard King. That is a quality barrel. Well, I gotta run. Yard King is up there with Allied Biscuit,

one of my favorite perfect brand names. I love that for plot purposes he has to me to go like well good night like to a child walking down the side of the road with a wheelbarrow and giving her confusing advice yeah so very earnestly though he's like okay i get to give her advice walk with traffic which is not wrong what you're against it confused i didn't know until googling it this time this lion had confused me for the longest time well we can just confuse you even more yeah no it's i didn't know what it was i always thought it was with how many kids did this joke kill that i mean i think that is a danger with Wiggum jokes that he can tell. You need to have a joke.

This is different from other ones where he says, call 9-1-2, and then somebody like Lou will correct him. So people know what the real thing to do is, and they're not giving bad advice to viewers. But in this case, he doesn't have anybody with him, so he just gives bad advice. And somehow Bart falls out of the wheelbarrow, which wasn very clear how that's physically impossible i think i rewound a few times like was it tipping in a certain way but the animation of lisa like using the barrow to steer down that's really good really cool and the shot of her coming towards the camera like skidding on the mud towards the camera is really good too what i was saying like you guys were kind of going oh jim reardon doesn't get much to do. I love Jim Reardon. He's great.

I don't think he did a bad job. The entire final act was terrific. Yeah, I mean, he's not given a lot to do in terms of, like, the domestic scenes. But when there's a more action-y scene or a more fantasy sequence, he really shines in this episode. They really do deliver here, yeah. And, yeah, this is, like, were this in real life, this is a life-ruining humiliation for Lisa here, I think. This is all like a bad dream. Citizens of Springfield, I officially declare this.

What the hell is that? Why, it's Lisa Simpson. And look what she's doing. She's murdered her brother. And she's trying to dump the body in a harbor. Well, duh. And as a grim finale, she intends to drown that poor caged baby. What's happening? Where am I?

And she's on drugs. Give me the drugs, Lisa. I'm not on drugs. I was just trying. Oh, his arm! Oh, my special little guy! Are you okay? Hmm. Dislocated shoulder. Bump on the noggin. My diagnosis?

Rather nasty fall caused by bad babysitting. Very weird in this scene is that this scene fades out. And I don't think we've had a real fade out since season one of The Simpsons. And then it just kind of ends.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, my theory on the fade out, which is very, very different from Simpsons editing style. It feels wrong. I think it's that they were feeling bad for how horrible things were for Lisa there. And maybe things like state maybe originally the scene lasted a little bit longer like we need to just turn this down and get to the next scene because otherwise

you just feel too awful for Lisa. I really had a very bad night. I think my biggest laugh in this episode was give me the drugs Lisa. Actually why don't we give that the line in the episode jingle That's the joke that's a great line a great reading from helen lovejoy she's on drugs yes thanks fancy raggan and yeah homer homer just immediately like well lisa's definitely on drugs she better give him to me give me the drugs lisa he's playing mr tough

i noticed that in all of these uh a lot of these waterfront scenes or Squidport scenes that Edna and Skinner were together hanging out. And this is before Great School Confidential. That is true. Boy, you know what? Oh, yeah. And Great School Confidential is 4F09. Oh. So it was four episodes earlier in production order than this one.

That's a good catch. Yeah, boy. My hunch paid off. You blew my mind, man. So they aired this out of order. I hope somebody got fired for that. Real Simpsons fans care about the production order of shows and which episodes are secretly from the last season.

It's very important. I mean, I bow to you. That's a great catch. But, man, poor Lisa. last season it's very important i mean i bow to you that that's a great catch uh but man poor lisa every and especially like hibbert should really not be giving her the judging like that is like an after-school special type like beb or like reefer madness type pose yes the joke that her nightmare came true was so great exactly even worse imagined it yes and then the way hibbert says one extra thing so you think he's not going to blame her and so there's no reason he would say a sentence like that but it makes it even funnier that he goes bad babysitting and yeah

they fade out to it because you just feel so bad for Lisa that all she wanted to do is be a good babysitter. And now her life is ruined. She has no business anymore. All thanks to Bart. Your life is certainly ruined if you can never babysit again. I think a normal Simpsons edit would be cut to establishing shot of the house the next day with music and then cut to bedroom. But it's fade from that scene to bedroom, which is just an odd choice. Or coming home.

Yeah, I feel like there's like connective tissue that was cut out or missing like she's all muddy and bart's got the cast and then he apologizes but i think they just wanted to kind of have her cleaned up you know they needed to reset more too to get bart bart's medical condition completely fixed yeah yeah well i also think her life is ruined because now everyone worried not for this last scene which i'm glad they have in here you would think that like the entire town now thinks lisa is a drug addict who tries to murder her brother and sister like her name is mud in springfield forever after that you would think hey part how's your arm it's all right i was hoping they'd give me one of those steel claws, but what are you going to do?

I'm sorry I was such a jerk last night. Guess I sort of ruined your babysitting business. Yeah, well, that's okay. I can always sell seeds. Do you want some seeds? No, thanks. Hello, World's Worst Babysitter speaking. Lisa, I'm glad I reached you. Are you available to babysit tonight?

Aren't you afraid I might take drugs and injure your children? Yes, that is a concern, but it's so hard to find a sitter, and I've got judo tonight. I'm sorry, can you hold on, please? Hello? Lisa, Ned Flanders. You available tonight? Didn't you hear I almost killed my brother? You did? Just a minute.

What time can you come over? Hey, she got rescued from Lebanon. Yeah. I'd like to think that that made it more attractive to Ned that she tried to kill Bart because he thinks Bart is a, as a demon spawn. Yeah. I think the fact that she almost killed Bart is now an appealing factor to her services.

Uh, but the, I wonder which one, you know, I now realize Hibbert and Ned want her to do it on the same night. I wonder which one she went with. That could be another episode where she's got to go back and forth from house to house. Yeah, we definitely need a sequel to this episode, I think.

Sit harder. I would pick Ned because it's just an easier trip. It's the next story. I don't know. There's nothing in that house. Also, Hibbert did just like, yeah, but though Hibbert just announced her as a bad babysitter to everybody, I'd be still pretty sore at him over that so one of the big points of contention is whether or not bart was kind of beyond the pale in this episode that they went too far and that defines a lot of what people kind of whether or

not they like this episode and i'm curious what you guys think. I think, I mean, ultimately Bart is punished for his hubris by being injured, but also his apology at the end kind of sucks. Like, I guess I fucked things up for you. He didn't really earn it, right? Yeah, yeah. Bart goes very far here, but they all, the escalation feels like the kind of thing a bad kid who feels righteous anger towards his babysitter would do

and i feel like if you don't want to if you want to feel like bart didn't go too far then you just tell yourself every moment after his injury he is concussed and not in his right mind yeah that's that too i just i feel like anybody who's saying oh just, Bart's gone too far in this one, has never had a sibling, and especially a boy sibling, who, I don't want to stereotype or anything, but brothers can be frigging awful from what I'm able to understand. And sisters can be worse. And, yes, it's true. And Bart is a hellion. Everything he does is so in character for him. Like, everything from the prank calls to him being just a baby.

I mean, it just made a lot of sense. It's difficult and exasperating, yeah. It's too real for me. I guess people had kind of gotten used to maybe a softer take on Bart and also, you know, swarming with magic robots and Harry Poppins. Like, when it went really reality focused there was a big whiplash going on

I like this episode but I don't like how often the show shits on Lisa this is just relentless shitting on Lisa and it's all funny but I feel like boy it's hard to watch because I like Lisa a lot and we've also recently recorded Old Man and the Lisa and where she gets shit on real

that's true it's just wow poor lisa gets it pretty hard and a lot of this is a season where lisa just gets shit on repeatedly but that's on the commentary too where lee uh yardley is just like bad stuff happens to lisa most of the time she either either there's no story for her or the story is that she loses Well I mean Last season We had Summer of Four Foot Two Which I mean Was a really uplifting

Lisa episode Yeah Though Bart's pretty awful To her in that too In a realistic kid way Yep Yeah So it's kind of a sequel episode

In that way too At least A little bit With a Bart-Lisa dynamic Dan Graney's really good at that Yeah it's very On brand for him And I think we'll have a

better bart and lisa episode in the season finale which i believe is the secret war of lisa simpson and it's uh there's some adversarial qualities between them but ultimately bart it helps lisa which is very sweet yeah i think it's a pretty good watchable episode i remember when it was on syndication when i was watching the simpsons for the first time it was not the kind of episode where if it was on i would go do something else which there were a few episodes like that mostly in season one season two so it's nice and when i watch it now i think i have a different perspective on it because as i said i'm an adult i have friends who are parents i'm kind of looking in horror at the idea of, you know, Lisa babysitting a small child and Bart at the same time. And it's interesting in that regard.

And it's also kind of funny to see them go down to the waterfront. It's still one I, for the same reasons as a kid, I won't rewatch that much because the injury is just so disgusting. That is the worst part. It just ruins my day to see it, honestly. It's also on the, so it's a funny episode on the premise alone it's not something you'd want to watch like let's watch the one where x happens or y happens this one's let's watch the one where lisa is a babysitter it's not the most

exciting premise i mean lots of fun stuff comes out of that but the premise itself is very domestic and it's not what you would expect from this season of the show it feels like something that would happen to lisa though that one day she just kind of goes, she happens to be reading some books, and she goes, I want to be a babysitter. I could be a babysitter. That's a thing I can do. It's a very natural story.

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futurama than a lot of people realized i'll tell you what henry i have an ancient simpsons mug someone gave me from the early 90s and has lisa simpson skipping rope it says overachiever and i was like he had to have drawn that i also got other idea. That's where the arcade game got the idea to give Lisa a jump rope. They looked at one promo image like, yep, give her a jump rope. Sorry. 100%. Yeah. Well, and also at the $10 level, we just did a video that I think lots of folks would enjoy.

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Thank you. Jeremy Parrish was on that one. So yes, go to patreon.com slash TalkingSimpsons to join and get tons and tons of bonus content. As for me, I've been one of your hosts, Bob Mackie. Find me on Twitter as Bob Cerbo. My other podcast is Retronauts. That's a classic gaming podcast. And it happens every Monday, occasionally on Friday. Go to retronauts.com or look is Retronauts. That's a classic gaming podcast. And it happens every Monday, occasionally on Friday.

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