Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Sideshow Bob Roberts

Episode Date: August 30, 2017

Things get extra political on this week's Talking Simpsons! We explain Watergate, the 1988 election, Rodney King and so much more, along with discussing why Republicans are vampires and the Archie Comics characters. What kind of truth handler are you?

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and this is the Lazer Time Podcast Network's chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today? Uh, Henry Gilbert and Bob, you know I don't like controversy in this house. Ha ha, and who else? Cartoon smokes person Dave Rudden. And today's episode is Sideshow Bob Roberts. Bob, jacking it up on the old jackpot. And today's episode aired on October 9th, 1994, and as always, well actually not as always,

Henry will tell us what happened on this day in history. Oh my god! Oh boy, Bobby! A new study reveals that there's a gender pay gap in women earning 75% of what men do at the same job. Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg, and David Geffen announced plans to open their own movie studio. And songwriter Ray Hildebrand threatens to sue some asshole named Rush Limbaugh over his parody of his song Hey Paula. Oh, wow. So DreamWorks, let's talk about that for a second.

How many of those men are still associated with, is it DreamWorks SKG was the original company name? And it was the big name dudes like Steven Spielberg, duh, Hollywood mogul, or one of the most creative people in Hollywood. David Geffen, formerly of Geffen Records, which had some of the biggest hit albums in U.S. history. And then Jeffrey Katzenberg, former boss at Disney, who got pushed

out by Michael Eisner. And who was the boy with the miserable name? He's the boy in our hearts. I miss the Amblin guy on the bike. Yeah, well now Amblin is back. If you see the wonderful trailer for Ready Player One, Amblin logo is at the front. So Spielberg is no longer part of DreamWorks, I do believe. DreamWorks got bought by Viacom, was it not?

So just KNG hanging around? I think they all cashed in, yes. I mean, as animation fans, DreamWorks is a love-hate relationship for us but is very important to american animation history undeniably so i mean as a kid the idea of dreamworks was amazing just they could they could possibly do no wrong all of these creative forces but i guess they just ended up being an animation company for the most part pretty much that's that's their stuff that most succeeded you know like spielberg would make films that were successful through uh them but it was live action didn't really do so well for yeah they also tried to get into the games market too

you're right yeah so well with like the lost world playstation one game i remember i do i did i feel like it was like one too many cooks in the kitchen there with these mega egos battling each other for supremacy i remember for like a decade straight, you'd get a story every now and then, like Steven Spielberg is going to make a video game. Like he'd never do it. Because making a video game would take him away more time than making a movie.

He could make a couple, yeah, exactly. He did Medal of Honor, I think, but then he did Boom Blocks. Well, I mean, he was involved in Medal of Honor, just like we should have a video game version of Saving Private Ryan. I'll be in these meetings. See ya. And then he's just, and they made Omaha Beach.

But yeah, we wouldn't have Medal of Honor. And then through that transitive property, we wouldn't have Call of Duty if we didn't have Medal of Honor. I believe his game was LMNO, the unreleased game he worked on. And also, Peter Jackson never made the Halo movie. So what's up with that? Yeah. But yes, Boom Blocks was the most

Steven Spielberg game we ever got. It was such a monkey's paw thing. Yeah, I'll put my full effort into a game. A Wii game where you throw a ball at a block. And in two years it would be Angry Birds. It would kind of borrow that idea. It totally was. Right off the bat,

this is going to be a political episode. And it's okay if you disagree with us but if if you feel like this is uh shaky territory for you please uh listen to the next one because this episode has an agenda it has an argument it has a point of view and we agree with it i i think in this room we all agree with what it's saying yeah i would say so too it is a pretty while they give stuff to left-wing people, and Quimby definitely takes his hits as a demy, as a smellocrat. Spendocrat. As a spendocrat, yeah. And they're bleeding for a smell fair program.

Despite all that, the Republicans are the bad guys in this. And this is not nice to Republicans, and I am fine with that. That's fine, yeah. I mean, it's only gotten much, much worse in terms of the media landscape. We'll go into more of this. I mean, it's only gotten much, much worse in terms of the media landscape. We'll go into more of this. I mean, it's always easier to punch up. And the Republican Party is mostly of, or I mean, the people who are pulling strings in the Republican Party are the rich and powerful. You mean the leadership, not Republican voters.

Yes, not the people that they, yeah. No, you mean the vampires in charge. The literal vampires in charge. Nosferatu is a member of the Republican Party. But yes, so the title of this episode is based on the movie Bob Roberts, which is a 1992 mockumentary directed and written by Tim Robbins based on an SNL sketch with the same character. I have never seen this movie. Looking into it, now I want to.

There are so many great actors in this movie, and I love what it has to say about politics based on the Wikipedia summary, but I mean, I think it's lost the time, this movie. When is Bob Roberts, the character in the film, is an up-and-coming Republican wannabe senator running for Senate. And it feels different in movies now. Just like, if you see a politician in a movie, they sometimes won't tell you what their party is. When it's like, well, they're one of two parties. But they won't call this guy. It would just be

like, say, in Batman v. Superman. You don't really know who Holly Hunter is a member of which party, and she's just a tough talking southerner. And I think they do that to be like, well, we don't want to offend people on either side. She could be a Dixie Cret. I mean, there's so many other things Batman v. Superman

is offensive. Yes, that's true. Too many jars of pee for my taste. The pee given to that senator. And they literally blow up Congress in that. But anyway, so yeah, this definitely has a stance, especially that, too, it is a lot about specific events in then current and also actually then not current political history in America. So if you don't know American politics either,

if you're one of the lucky listeners who doesn't live in America. God bless you. But no, there'll be some stuff in here probably that you won't get or that's why we're going to explain it. I mean, there's a lot of stuff about Watergate, obviously. There's also a lot of stuff I picked up on the first time about the 1988 election, presidential election. So many very specific things calling out debate questions and and commercials we'll get into those we'll play

the commercial in this episode i think it'll be very informative for you guys and uh by the way this had the shortest opening in all that's amazing yes 10 seconds it is 10 seconds made for this episode boom yeah you go through the the letter in the simpsons is it the o or the p i forget uh yeah i think it's the o it's the o and then you'repsons. Is it the O or the P? I forget. I think it's the O. It's the O. And then you're at the TV and it all starts. And the TV section is even shorter than usual. Legally, they have to show who is the created and developed by.

So they have to show that. Otherwise, they cut out everything else, which I'm so glad they did because I wouldn't want to lose a second of this episode. It is one of my top five we have re-explored on this it's so densely packed and still timeless even though it is very tied to very dated subject matter yes yeah now before we get to our first clip i do feel like we kind of have to explain who rush limbaugh is oh boy because rush limbaugh's equivalent birchable t barlow birch barlow is there from second one in the episode. So if you don't, if you're lucky enough to not know who Rush Limbaugh is, he has been

he is a radio professional of almost 50 years at that point. He got to start at 16. Wow. And but it wasn't until the 80s in the fairness doctrine falling down era which we talked about on 30 2010 recently that he was able to be more political and what he especially was political is he's a hardline conservative who gets a lot of play out of making fun of liberals and he and boy did he find the best him and the clintons were made for each other. They really were. Especially him and Hillary. I mean, he found a really good place in AM radio where it's like, I want to buy four hours a day of this programming.

And also, I will talk to no one but myself. That way, no one can disagree with me. And everybody that follows after his pattern is directly copying what he did. There are so many conservative commentators that are just basically the Rush Limbaugh of now, even though Rush Limbaugh still exists and is still doing his thing. Guys like Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, not only do they follow in his footsteps on Fox News. Even Alex Jones. And Alex Jones.

But when they all got, when those three guys got popular enough on Fox News, they all just launched their own radio show because that's what Rush did. And they know the real money's there. Like, there's a reason Rush isn't on TV and stayed on the radio. He, according to Wikipedia, he is worth at least $500 million. Wow. I believe it. And that's after five divorces, by the way.

And as much as I dislike the man, and I hate listening to him so much when I still drove my car. I hate listening a number of times to Rush. But I will say he is extremely talented. To keep up that amount of energy when there is no one else on your show is an astounding feat when you're talking to no one but yourself and having to create content every day for three to four hours as a professional pod also drugs help that a lot yes yeah as a professional podcaster i can't not have respect for his abilities there'd be a lot more rush limbaugh imitators if it was easy to do and it isn't easy it is not no he talks alone by himself he is a very good broadcaster in that he is entertaining

and can keep your attention if you hate listen if you're if you're a dumb ass kid who read al franken's book about how rush limbaugh sucks and then you put it on the radio to shout at your radio and be angry all the time like i did yeah when i had a car 10 years ago 12 years ago i would do that but there's fewer people you could say like this guy made america worse like this guy really made america worse he was being parodied all over the place in popular media i mean like snl and everything like that i remember an episode of beavis and butthead where they went on his tv show he had a short- TV show. He turned out to be too hateful for television. So his TV show ran for two years

and was syndicated and produced by Roger Ailes. Oh, great. Yep. I'm sure in between his many sexual harassing of people, he was just like, Wait, he's dead now, right? He's quite dead. He tripped on a beach and he died of shame.

Yeah, yep. He's dead now, so it's okay. Rest in peace in hell. Yeah, he's in hell now. It's okay. If that were to exist. But now, so it's okay. Rest in peace in hell. Yeah, he's in hell now. It's okay. If that were to exist. But yeah, so he's... It's also something like Rush.

Rush did not invent the term feminazi, but he absolutely promoted it and made it a word people say that they still fucking say. Yeah. It's the worst. I mean, in this episode, they did their homework.

It is a pitch-perfect parody down to the way he talks, down to his golden microphone, down to the classic rock intro to his show. They know what the Rush Limbaugh show is all about in 1994. It's not Rush Limbaugh guest starring, so he looks slightly different, but it's a really good look compared to guest stars. This is like a weird bastardization of one of the beetles or the rolling stones but this is like it looks like him but it's also he looks like he

lives in the simpsons universe very much so harry shearer is so good as birch he's a great best he's ever done and just the little pauses that he did to shake his papers which you hear all the time on the show if you listen to rush you're like oh he's reading his notes pausing to read his notes and yeah if there's one thing like you know if you don't like rush limbaugh you can you know be happy that like he's in constant pain he is mostly deaf thanks in part to his drug addiction to painkillers and again multiple times divorced unhappy in love and just like okay but he really sucks. Like, I know, I don't want to get people on my case of saying, like, you wish somebody dead.

Like, I don't, don't wish him dead, but boy, he sucks. He's so bad. And he didn't go away. Nothing. He never went away. He spent the entire Clinton administration going like, these Clintons, they don't believe in nothing. Then he goes like, our president should do whatever he wants when he's George Bush to

going, oh, we're supposed to pat him on the back because he's black with Obama. And now I don't really. Trump was on his show. I am certain he is a fan of Trump. Oh, sure. Yeah. I mean, he got kicked off of the commentating on Monday Night Football. Yeah.

For racial reasons. Within weeks. Because he's just like, everybody wants this black quarterback to succeed. But he's just like, everybody wants this black quarterback to succeed, but he's just not good. Just that, one, he gets to be racist, but then say like, no, no, no, everybody else is being reverse racist and giving this black guy a chance he doesn't deserve because he's not as good.

Even Dennis Miller's career as a commentator is very long. Dennis Miller lasted a lot longer than Rush LeBron. It was incredible. I hate to play Rush, but I do think the listeners should know this is Rush in 1994. So when this episode aired, this is how Rush sounded then. This is actually on C-SPAN. You can watch this whenever you want because C-SPAN filmed an entire three hours of his show one day to show it. That was a weird thing in the 90s.

Like you could watch all of Imus in the morning live. Why would you bother? This man seems like a mummy of some sort. This is Rush reading off his Rush Limbaugh commandments. Let's see how many of the 26 we can sit down with. 26? No, no, no. There is a distinct singular

American culture, rugged individualism and self-reliance which made America great. Number two, the vast majority of the rich in this country did not inherit their wealth. They earned it. They are the country's achievers, producers, and job creators. Number three, no nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity. Number four, evidence refutes liberalism.

I haven't heard him in a long time, actually, and thinking about Harry Shearer's performance, it's so perfect. It's so perfect. The pauses, not in this clip, but just the alliterative or poetic self-aggrandizement was like the 21st, yeah, just like going into all these things about

why he's great. And that's basically Rush just reading off a list of reasons of like, this is going to troll these liberals. They won't like us hearing that. And I didn't like hearing that, especially the one of the vast majority is like, fine, you can maybe think of three rich guys who inherited money from their dad, but the rest are self-made Iranian businessmen. But I mean, I don't think it's a controversial statement to say Rush Limbaugh sucks.

At least I hope not. No, I don't think so either. So we start and it turns out KBBL changed their broadcasting. I guess Bill and Marty are gone. It's all talk radio now. No sports, no rock, no information. For mindless chatter, we're your station. KBBL Talk Radio, and now Springfield's favorite conservative and author of the well-selling

book, Only Turkeys Have Left Wing. Ladies and gentlemen, Birch Barlow. Ugh, that Barlow's a right-wing crackpot. He said Ted Kennedy lacked integrity. Can you believe that? Yeah, switch the station. I consider myself politically correct, and his views make me uncomfortable. No, no, no, no, no, guys. I'm not very political. I usually think people who vote are a bit fruity.

But for some reason, this Birch Barlow really speaks to me. Bob and I both did the finger motions when Homer says fruity. Very David Silverman-y. I mean, this is a Mark Kirkland episode, but I feel like David Silverman's finger motions rub off on everybody. And also, Homer thinks people that vote are gay. Yes, that's... Anybody who would vote is gay. Or fruity.

And I like that Carl is full on like, this guy's a crackpot. Meanwhile, Lenny's just like, nobody self-identified as politically correct. So Lenny is interested in that. They start off with a joke that is hating both sides.

Yeah. Mocking Ted Kennedy is worthwhile. Yeah. That he lacks integrity. I also, this first time I caught it, the description of Birch's book as well-selling, that is a very specific distinction. Because a best-selling book actually is like it means a certain amount of sales or placement on a chart so using the term well-selling would mean you didn't make those charts but they want to imply it though that's not exactly fair to rush because his book sadly sold very very well they're very

trollish names like see i told you so things like that like only turkeys have left yeah and and actually I'm talking critic so in the 19 in the 1990s PC meant specifically like let's avoid topics that could make us uncomfortable not let's it was not a specifically leftist thing where it's just like oh the left wants things to be PC it was just like in general non-composite thing like let's not talk about slavery or this or that like and I think that's what lenny is is mentioning in his talk of pc he just doesn't want to talk about controversial things at work which is funny because after uh probably people who hate me being political on this show will think it's funny that after the during the election last year i could not have been more political of work of just like screaming and i was just like it but i feel like i'm safe at

a san francisco office of complaining about trump i don just like it but i feel like i'm safe at a san francisco office of complaining about trump i don't you should be i don't think people are going to disagree with me but then the the match cut to homer and birch both eating an entire box of mouths yeah and uh yes then birch birch really takes it to those spendocrats good morning fellow freedom likers birch bar, the fourth branch of government, the 51st state. You know, there are three things we're never going to get rid of here in Springfield.

One, the bats in the public library. Two, Mrs. McFearley's compost heap. And three, our six-term mayor, the illiterate, tax-cheating, wife-swapping, pot-spoking, spandocrat, Diamond Joe Quimby. Hey, I am no longer illiterate. Now, why are we doomed to this Quimby Quagmire, you ask? Oh, reasonable listener.

Because this town is under the stranglehold of a few tight-eyed pre-huggers who would rather play hacky sack than lock up the homeless. So great. Love that. It's like like that is perfect that is perfect rush just like the the pauses and when are we going to get rid of the and then they say that his presentation of liberal strangleholds like that that is all rush was about that he just said like yes somehow there are these hippies who own who control everything and that they won't let you have fun stuff it's like that is that is a crazy conspiracy yeah it's true they seem framed as a springfield celebrity not a national celebrity he's a springfield specific guy he's talking about very specific springfield things at the beginning

there which i forgot yeah i i wish mrs mcfurley would come back she she kind of just morphed into the crazy cat lady yeah i think so she was the proto cat lady and the compost pile was i guess they already had the tire fire but the tire fire is more of a staple yeah no one actually owns the tire fire it's part of the it's part of us all part of us all takes uh quimby takes credit by the way like that i've seen this episode so many times and didn't realize – well, when I was a kid, how would I have noticed that he's actually watering a pot plant? No, I didn't get that either as a kid. It was very clearly those are the pot leaves. I thought, like, is the joke that he's doing this while he should be doing his job as mayor?

I don't get it. He's strung in a closet. But also, I don't care. Quimby recognizes, like, yeah, that is me, but his only thing is that he's no longer illiterate. But, like, I don't care if he is a wife swapper or smokes pot. Like, that's fine with me. But being illiterate, that crosses the line. So up next, we have Lisa listening to the Birch Barlow show

as part of a special school project. And Bart has a special school project of his own that Marge quickly douses with water. I just love it. Like, fireworks. fireworks like i wish you wouldn't do that another one of those things that's for the audience like bart should not be stammering and delaying his response for march delay makes it sounds fake and so he fails the chinese principals who are there embarrasses skinner gets an f and just the the bad principal yeahmm, bad principles. Yeah, I have to say the authenticity of Cantonese

is a very Oakley and Weinstein thing, because in Marge Goes to Jail, or Marge, is it Marge Goes to Jail? Yeah, Marge Goes to Jail, that's the one. Marge and Chain. Marge and Chain. They authentically reproduce Hindi, right? That's right, yeah. And in this episode, they authentically

reproduce Cantonese with gung hai fat choy which means wishing you great happiness and prosperity i will say the guy saying display is not so great now but at least they went as far as to learn the actual cantonese for that expression that's true i uh it is uncomfortable that i think yeah the changing of l's and r's is a very American. It's a very easy joke to make. It's a racist thing to do. Yeah, but I mean, it is like as someone who has studied Japanese, L's and R's are interchangeable. It's true, yeah. It's not a thing that doesn't happen, but to put it in a comedy is for the fact of like it is a joke you are laughing at to laugh at people who speak differently than you.

Right. That's what I don't like about it. But yeah, the. An assemblage of chinese principles yes they just came and though all those fireworks like indoors on the stage yeah i i would hope he was going to take them outside and then do the fireworks yeah it was like it was a small burlap sack of fireworks so who knows where they would have been and so so then Lisa is still listening to it with Homer, but she's sick of it. There's the great exchange of her driving the car and getting to listen to what she wants, which is the St. Elmo's Fire song.

Right, from the movie St. Elmo's Fire. Which is the Brad Papp classic. I'm sure at that point it was a joke like, who remembers this song? But nowadays it's kind of more of a timeless joke because, like, 80s nostalgia is still there, whereas, like, they could have picked something from the mid-90s that would just be, like, nobody remembers this. Yeah, like Two Princes or something. Oh, that'd be even better. On the commentary, Dave Merkin bemoans that he's like, Felicia should listen to better music. It's almost fire.

But it's also like she's still a kid. So, like, she's not going to have, like, deep musical taste. But like, hey, this movie that features hunks. That's true, though I think it would be more fitting that she'd be listening to very obtuse jazz. And that that would be boring to Homer. It's a great smash cut, though, of her driving and that song playing at the same time. It's funnier to hear St. Elmo's Fire than just any old jazz while she's driving the car. And also, in Lisa's rival, Bart was bart was driving remember yes almost ran over grandpa well bart held was just holding the yeah how did

lisa's feet reach the pedals is my question yeah i don't know we should ask i we should mention this is an oakley and weinstein classic like oh they're all-time greatest and they are big-time political junkies and so they do extra great work on this and and yeah there was technically not a season five sideshow bob episode that really let me down yeah but this man oh man when i was a kid and heard kelsey grammar's voice i didn't see the commercials for this one so i didn't know it was a bob episode when i heard his voice first time i was like this is a Sideshow Bob episode! Sideshow Bob! Alright, my friends, let's go to the phones. First up is Bob from South Springfield. Welcome to you, sir.

Hello, Birch. Long time listener, first time caller. Kudos for bringing the public back to the Republican Party. It's high time people realized we conservatives aren't all Johnny Hate Mongers and Charlie Bible Thumbs or even, God forbid, George Bush. That sounds like Sideshow Bob. Yes, ma'am. Sideshow Bob. Jacking it up on the old

jackpot. Dad, I'll spare you the embarrassment of admitting you don't know who Sideshow Bob is. Sideshow Bob used to be Krusty the Clown's sidekick, but in 1990 he framed Krusty for armed robbery and Bart got him put in jail. When he got out, he married Aunt Selma and tried to

murder her. Oh, Sideshow, Bob. That 1990 mention is weird because it definitely kind of puts it in a weird chronology where that was four years ago, but everyone's the same. When Bart was six and Lisa was four and Maggie shouldn't

exist, that's when it happened. It's an odd choice that they have her Yeah, when Bart was six and Lisa was four and Maggie shouldn't exist. That's when it happened. It's an odd choice that they have her say 1990 instead of like, and Sideshow Bob did this. But they don't. It's still rare to see clips in a non-clip show episode two. But they do need that all set up. They say it on the commentary, too, that they just gave up eventually. Like, look, we don't have to explain who Sideshow Bob is.

You're either on board for a Bob episode or you're not. Otherwise, welcome to Sideshow Bob town. Yeah, and that Homer, who, if only you think about Cape Fear, Homer should remember, like, I was tied up and kidnapped by Sideshow Bob. We had to move to a houseboat because of Sideshow Bob. And become the Thompson's. All this because of Sideshow Bob trying to murder my son. I do love he has that same blind spot for Bob that Mr. Burns has for him. Yeah.

And it's such great line reading on his recollection of like, oh, Sideshow Bob. There's another side blank Bob character. So, guys, Dr. Demento. Let's get into Dr. Demento. I did want to say, sorry, the H.W. Bush bit. Just him saying like, God forbid, George Bush is. In 1994, George H.W. Bush was seen as a one-term loser. A joke. And a total joke.

He couldn't get into Mr. Burns' party. Though this also, speaking of timing, like literally two weeks after this episode is the Republican Revolution. When Republicans take back the House, it was an entire pendulum shift after Clinton won. The Republicans rode that wave to a ton of new control. The Newt Gingrich contract for America, or with America, I forget. God, Newt Gingrich. He sucks. He's still around. He's still a lizard.

We can only hope that such a thing will happen in 2018 but for democrats taking shit back from the republicans and okay but sorry i just wanted to say like wait why is this guy saying george bush is like i thought republicans would like george bush that's the explanation i'm excited about dr demento because i experienced him in his i won't say heyday but when he was still relevant so for i'm from uh eastern ohio in pittsburgh there was a radio station called funny 1540 it wasn't around very long can you imagine an era all that way what's that does it go to 15 it goes to 1540 in the am dial so can you imagine an era in which an entire radio station could be a novelty music station higher novelty station wow and i never

a schoolyard chum of mine got me into Funny 1540, and it was around just long enough. It became a religious station. Just long enough for me to get into Dr. Demento and the Funny Five. He had an entire radio show that would just air novelty songs, right? And he actually broke Weird Al. I think Another One Rides the Bus was how Weird Al got into the public consciousness. For our generation, or at least for me, that's how I was introduced to Dr. Demento. I never listened to Dr. Demento,

but if you watch an interview with Weird Al, like, how did he get to be here? He would tell the story that he was one of those dorks who listened to Dr. Demento and sent him his music. And another one, Rides the Bus, was his first big one, which he'll even say the acoustic sonic sucked. He recorded it in a bathroom. In a bathroom with the percussionist, another one, Rides the Bus, was his first big one, which he'll even say like the acoustic sonic suck. He recorded it in a bathroom. In a bathroom with like the percussionist, a friend, like hitting a tub.

Like that's not, that's, he gave us Weird Al, but he also popularized tons of other people like Spike Jones. Not that one. Oh yeah. J-O-N-Z-E-S? Yeah. Not Z-E, right? I believe so. Yeah.

So in, I would say the spring of 94 i was way into dr demento and in fact i bought his 20th anniversary uh cassette compilation two cassette tapes and it got me into things like barnes and barnes and frank zappa stan freeberg all of these things even jim back has had novelty songs in the day and i was so into it so just seeing this on on tv was like oh my god they're referencing something i know and the funny five was his like top five countdown of the best novelty songs of that of that time so i remember uh down with veg instead of down with opp so you're done with veg like every last hindi so yes i mean i feel like dr demento is lost to time i think in the early aughts he stopped being on the radio and started doing streaming and i think his show is still around he's still alive and my research he's still alive and still uh

streaming his stuff online and he's immortalized as dr retarded on the mr show uh parody uh monster parties right monster parties is one of their best sketches ever and making fun of dr demento is totally fair yes but as a fan i was like come, he's just a nice old man who wants to share silly songs. You don't have to be this mean to him that he's a sad old loser and his mom's still living with his mom. But Bob Odenkirk dressed up in the top hat and tuxedo and the white beard is totally the Dr. Demento look. Yes. And the way he talks like, yeah, the monster party was very... And he squeaks the little thing.

Yeah, so... It sounds like the trauma of radio stations. A little bit. That's not a bad way of putting it. Yes. And then I don't know what he did to make Bart his mortal enemy. That's a big question.

Like, why is Dr. Demento Bart's mortal enemy? But yeah, for guys like Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein who love Mad Magazine, Dr. Demento probably was a huge influence for But yeah, like for guys like Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein who love Mad Magazine, Dr. Demento probably was a huge influence for their comedy. So I know that's why they built him into the show. And he did the voice. He did his own voice in the show.

That was the Dr. Demento. And yeah, I think actually that 20th anniversary thing you mentioned, that might be when I was first really introduced to Demento because I think that special got replayed on Comedy Central some or just like the celebration of him, which was a great way as a kid who didn't grow up with him to

be told like, here's why he matters or here's why Dr. Demento matters. He does matter. Like he is important in American comedy, even if he's like, I like that he's an old cornball. And my mom was a huge Dr. Demento fan. She was pleased with this more than me she loved dr demento i mean i think if comedy bang bang scott ackerman had his druthers he would be the next dr demento i think that's all he wants in life is to be a dr demento character uh so then we get a quick introduction of uh the power the elderly hold over

i don't have that clip because we'd have this episode will be triple. Oh, yeah. We just be pausing every second. But the that they say, like, give us what we want or ride you out of town on a rail. And then also on top of Matlock, they love sleep and sexy dame and plenty of really Jewish man's election. But just I love how Jeffrey is. So I also like that when he says the Matlock expressway. Elderly Jewish man's collection. But I love how Jasper goes, See! I also like that when he says the Matlock Expressway,

Assistant thinks of it beforehand. That he's already writing Matlock. He's like, oh, Matlock Expressway. Anything Matlock related. Did this replace the Michael Jackson Expressway is what I want to know. Oh, yes. Seen in Dog of Death. Yeah. Formerly the Dalai Lama Expressway.

Oh, right. Now the Michael Jackson Expressway. And I think it's now in all the video games and all the other things. That's right. It's now called the Matlock Expressway. How legally do they get away with that? It could be any Matlock. But, of course, there's old people jokes in an Oakley and Weinstein script.

Yes, right at the mayor night. Yes, but, okay, then Sideshow Bob then has, it's hard not to have every Bob clip in here because he is on fire in this one. Oh, he's so great in this episode. I love this so much. Now you mentioned some woes there. Well, you see, Birch, I'm presently incarcerated.

Convicted of a crime I didn't even commit. Attempted murder. Now, honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry, do they? Oh, really? Now, this is a personal call. My friends, isn't this just typical? Another intelligent conservative here,

railroaded by our liberal justice system, just like... Here we go. Colonel Oliver North, Officer Stacy Coon, and cartoon smokes person Joe Campbell. He has an autographed picture of Joe Campbell. Yes, which would imply that cartoon exists in the world

and he hung out with him, or that he just went to an event. But he's, though I call bullshit on that just because Rush Limbaugh and Birch are cigar fans. They are not cigarette smokers. They smoke cigars like the coolest of guys who smoke cigars all the time. They're not compensating for anything. Certainly not.

And Bob becoming Birch's pet project as a political prisoner is a very, that's what those fuckers do. It's what lots of people do across political stripes. Now there are hashtags. It'd be hashtag sideshow but justice for bob or whatever exactly but at this time it's him calling for it uh with on his radio show but all right let's go over those names there first well lastly we talked about joe camel but in case you didn't know that smokes person existed from 1987 to 1997 right to advertise cigarettes to uh cool young people how young that's the question my question is how can joe camel exist in the world with menthol mousse yeah it's from laramie cigarettes just like how smart line and nightline exist in the

same universe in the simpsons now you're right yeah uh but so he was at the time in 1994 he was still he was quite controversial a very long lawsuit lawsuit from actually the state of California against Joe Camel of trying to say, like, you're doing this to advertise to children. You want kids to buy cigarettes because they are dying out. You can literally trade in their cartons for jackets and shit like that. Yeah, and you have this cartoon character doing fun stuff and having things on it and i hadn't looked at a picture of joe camel in a million years i was like this is a dick like this is a flaccid penis resting on top of balls look up the tv funhouse bit joe camal joe camal from the tv funhouse uh comedy central series not the snl run it it was it was what if pokemon was a show for joe camel but then it

really was just about like sex organs as pokemon it's it's very complicated but so funny ahead of its time to joe camal uh but yeah so by 1997 it looked like joe cam the camel cigarettes were going to lose the lawsuit so they settle with california pay millions of dollars which go all to anti-smoking advertisements and then they just changed it to the camel brand cigarettes is just a non-anthropomorphic just picture of a pyramids or whatever yeah like a camel in front of pyramids yeah which is just kind of boring and it's but but i do know that uh i'm sorry chris is not here this week but he would would tell us his experience as a camel smoker, that he was a camel man. Oh, so it worked on Chris.

Well, I don't know if he started after 1997, maybe it wasn't Joe Camel that got him. I mean, as a kid, I thought the cartoon was cool, but I thought smoking was gross. Yeah, I wasn't going to smoke cigarettes. So I just would collect the little matchbooks or whatever with Joe Camel on them. And I know, I knew that it wasn't cool to smoke smoke too many cartoon characters told me to not do it exactly it did work on me just like dare which is coming back baby oh yeah all right but so the other two names oliver north oliver north we did cover oliver north a little bit in i didn't do it episode the luckiest son of a bitch on the planet but uh when homer, like, Oliver North was just poured into the uniform. But Oliver North illegally sold weapons to Iran and then used that money to extra illegally fund Contras in Nicaragua to overthrow.

By the way, you think America loves democracy? You should see what happens to democratically elected people who don't like America. Yes. You see how much we enjoy democracy then look at the history of who we've propped up for uh money yeah but uh but no america loves democracy and we're the greatest but and oliver north is the lucky bastard who like didn't didn't do one day of jail time for what he did and and now is just still he got to have fucking fox news shows like he'll be famous forever so he was not railroaded by the

liberal justice system even worse like it flies right by and i didn't know in 1994 who stacy coon i didn't know until this recent viewing when i look it up i feel like his name was probably thrown around a lot but even as a kid who was following rodney king and all those other scandals i was just like who is this guy yeah so in case you don't know the rodney king beating and then the subsequent trial and riots and non-guilty verdict and la riots that happened in the early 90s i think from 91 to 92 rodney king uh was a man pulled over by the police who was then like brutally beaten clearly in in to do more than arrest a man and sadly for for those police officers, they got filmed while doing it. So they were never happened again.

Right. No, but so they must be in trouble. Right. But an all white jury somehow finds them not guilty, but then the federal court system actually retries them. All the people, including the lead officer.

And it was Stacy Coon and two really unfortunate names yes that's all i'll say yes and and stacy actually did was found guilty in that one and was sentenced to 30 months in jail which he did serve it was actually higher but then they're like but he's gonna be a cop in prison it's gonna be really hard for him it's just like i think prison's probably pretty hard for lots of people the stance of like prison's hard it's like oh it's so sad and he lost his job but guess it actually he has now become like a professional chauffeur in the la area oh wow i don't want that uber driver pulling up to my house he's he's driven al gore he said wow so that's you are driving my car but but Stacy Coon is

still with us but I think he kind of just got overshadowed by like what in two years or so we'd have Mark Furman who is the more notable racist cop from the LA area that's where that there you can distinctify him like that it's really the amazing thing in oh the OJ documentary made in America is seriously

one of my all-time favorite documentaries I love it so much it is eight hours and it needs to wait a minute i thought mark from was playing a character he wasn't really being racist well to frame all of that the first episode of it the first over an hour of it is just to tell you like here's how fucked up la and the lapd were right and you need to know that to be like this is one everyone's mind during the oj trial and when they the way they frame the rodney king trial just like they before they get to the rodney king trial they're like here's a decade no here's like 30 years of mistreatment of the black community by

the lapd so just in case you heard like oh the rodney king thing happened they really overreacted like this was the 800th justice and it happened to be filmed yeah there's now evidence of this and again that these guys seemingly get away with it when they were filmed there and you would think there's no i it's it's one of the most striking openings to a movie ever in malcolm x spike lee's malcolm x he he chooses to start and i you could say it dates it but he starts that film with the Rodney King video footage, just unedited. And then as the American flag burns behind him, it's just like, that lets you know what the fucking movie you're in for at the start of that. Welcome to Malcolm X. Get out now if you want to. But Birch classifies Stacey as a political prisoner and hurt by the liberal justices.

That's a phrase you don't hear anyone say. Even Republicans would not call it. You'd maybe hear that. They said this trans person's human, these activist judges. Anyway, boy, I'm telling you, we warned you. Yeah, you're in for it now. Yes. The Sentence will be right back. How we use

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Like eating or drinking anything there. The fucking Fru-Fu food truck. That's the new festival shit. It's not funnel I mean, everything is crazy expensive, like eating or drinking anything there. The fucking Fru-Fu food truck. Yeah. That's the new festival shit. It's not funnel cakes and fries. We literally bought a melted candle. This was a thing.

A melted candle? Yeah. We ate a melted candle. It was really weird. That happens to all of us. Melted candy bars. This is a thing they do now. What?

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Yeah, the end of apartheid, which was very fresh then. Nelson Mandela, I believe, had been elected the year previous, 93, after being freed. On the chalkboards, he's drawing Hawaii, right? Like, that's Hawaii. So they clearly re-recorded a line, but I wonder what that line was. I wonder, too. And also, we get a nice brief scene of that at Moe's bar where Barlow was encouraging them to break Bob out of prison and Moe's passing out grenades like,

oh, put the paint on this one. Yes. And we cut away. That's worse political action. There's got to be an explosion after that. Yes. It is so fitting that Moe and the other drunks would be his most like violent listeners.

You know they are anti-immigrant. Yes, yeah. Well, now that joke's not a joke like alex jones told people about pizzagate and a guy showed up with a gun to comment pizza like these are real things that happen now like this this joke of like nobody would actually listen to a person on the radio and bring grenades somewhere. They did that. They did do that. Then Quimby proves that he also can blow and frees Bob, and that's when

we find out his middle name, which is such an Oakley and Weinstein middle name of Underdunk. Underdunk Sir Williger, and he walks out with the Cape Fear-ish music playing behind him, too. Pretty much the same exit he has. And the prison is like on an Alcatraz style island. Boats on the other side. I love that Canadian exit he has. And the prison is like on an Alcatraz-style island.

Boats on the other side. I love that Canadian delivery. Boats on the other side. Yes, thank you. And it was a nice callback. Bob shaking a fish out of his hair. He did that in Cape Fear as well. I was shocked there was no rake joke callback in this, though. Maybe Merkin wasn't as big a fan of that repetition.

He does do at the end of the episode. He grumbles. Yeah. I mean, you Merkin wasn't as big a fan of that. He does do, at the end of the episode. He grumbles. Yeah. I mean you get the classic Bob grumble. Rakes and Yellies both elicit that reaction. Merkin was less about killing time I think. Yeah, oh this episode has no time to kill as we, I mean the intro is so fast and so

Bob is freed and that's when we get, I love Republican headquarters so much. It's a Dracula-style mansion. Hail, brothers! Coronel Celeria, Ozu Mahok. Mahok. Mahok.

Now then, gentlemen, the mayoral campaign is upon us. And if we hope to defeat this Joe Quimby, we need a candidate with name recognition and media savvy. A true leader who will do exactly as he's told. Marty, I'm way ahead of you. You'll just open that door, you'll see the next mayor of Springfield. Water cooler? What'd it say? No, no, no. Bob. Bob, come in. A fine mahogany to you all. Well, he's even better. I agree. I like the human touch.

You didn't realize they have someone in their midst that can be a politician too. Yeah, yeah. Future president Rainier Wolfcastle. So, Burns is speaking in approximation of Enochian, in a language used in, sorry, used in occult rituals and Oakley and Weinstein basically made it up, even though it's a made-up language itself. But it's a very

O and W thing of like, that they clearly mean that Mohawk means like night or day, so when he says, fine Mohawk to you all, the reusing of those words make, it shows more thought into that sentence than just any old gibberish right and i want to go over the uh the headquarters who's there so uh rainier wolf

castle birchabald t barlow uh nosferatu yes mr burns uh the rich texan dr hibbert and the blue haired lawyer and it's setting up smithers not being happy with this he's begrudgingly serving them all he's got some frowns in that, that he's happy. He loves Mr. Burns and will do whatever Mr. Burns says, but that Mr. Burns is a bad,

like he's like, I don't like this, as we'll find out. It's a good setup there, but it fulfills every type of Republican back then. Like Arnold Schwarzenegger

was their biggest celebrity, still is, I'd say. Well, I guess, unless you can't prove it. And Burns is the evil old businessman who

controls everything yeah and bob comes wrapped in an american flag just like the poster for bob roberts yeah yeah oh but sorry then you got the rich texan who rich texans also have huge power in it right you've got blue haired lawyer closest of all to roy cone the Republican asshole who, like, boy, that guy sucked. And then you've got Hibbert, who I feel he fulfills the stereotype of the African-American Republican who is just like, well, I'm rich, so I'm a Republican, too. He's kind of Herman Cain before Herman Cain was a thing. Five, five, five. He's going to 999, right? Yes. yeah no 999 right yes my read was it uh was yeah because the most competent lawyer and doctor in

springfield well the only uh their only comparison is very incompetent people that that make enough at their jobs that they are wealthy you know republicans because of financial reasons and they literally drink blood and that burns saying um we'll do exactly as he's told like that's also great too like that it implies and this is for both parties that the very rich people in charge they don't actually want a leader they want somebody who follows the party line because

a lot of people spend money on these things and so they don't want somebody who like will say something they don't like or do things they don't like and it is setting up the finale in which they have their own ideas for Bob, but Bob feels like he's very autonomous in his plans. That's true. There's almost no time to really go over that with his plan,

but that is the secret thing, that Bob has his own plans and that the Republicans can't control him. And that was their mistake for going with a celebrity and a guy who just got out a guy that's on tv all the time making an ass out of himself that will never happen okay so then we cut straight to the first campaign event which i love that skinner says like this is a carefully choreographed media event like he knows it's bullshit yeah and as actually as a kid i was at one of these oh really so i mean i don't even want to know the amount of political strings that were pulled to have

this happen but in 1992 barbara bush visited my elementary school st luke's elementary school in ohio to give a little speech and all of us kids uh little shitheads that we were and probably you know we were we had good judgment we all like clinton because it's like this cool guy i don't want the old guy to win i want the cool guy yeah so they we had like an entire assembly like this is how you act around barbara bush you do not say this you do not do this but whenever the news cameras were interviewing us we're like we like clinton clinton's awesome i hate bush and i think some of us got in trouble for that so um yeah well i'm not surprised you've you've talked about on other podcasts how your your hometown in ohio was just it's in Ohio has always been a battleground state.

Especially Youngstown. It's just a place you go to make big promises you can't keep. It is quite a platform for political theater and few results. So you guys didn't get your Matlock Expressway? No, we got the TJ Hooker Expressway. When I was a kid at that age,ida wasn't the battleground it would become in my mind the first election i voted in was 2000 and that's when florida truly became like the crazy oh god yeah though ohio will always matter because i believe it's been said like no republican can win without

ohio and so they if they lose ohio then they're not going to win. It only matters every four years. Then who gives a shit? Yeah. But then I think the animators, Kirkland and his team, really had a great time with Bob doing his stunts. It's very Silverman-y. And I like that this is Bob going back to his roots of being like a circus performer type. Totally. It completely forgets his clowning background. It's something, too, that when see bob doing like physical feats of strength

in other episodes you're like how can bob do this he's got kind of a gut it's like yeah because he is a trained acrobat pretty much i don't think we saw this side of bob before this episode i mean we could assume that he does have circus training because of who he is well when he appeared in crusty episodes pre-crusty gets busted he just got hurt like he got a pot yeah he just was there to be abused yeah and then as we would find out in the side so Cecil episode that Bob didn't train to do this but I guess he just did training later after being identified as Lord Autumn Bottom over there but yeah then Quimby is losing out because Bob is so much cooler than him. And Lisa has a much better political mind than Quimby. I've got to say, Quimby deserved to lose this election because he is not trying at all.

I like his line, I'm being attacked by things. And then he just gives up and listens to Bart and Lisa. Bart and Lisa seem to be the only people who work for his campaign. They're working way too hard. Uncle Mayor was just saying that us kids are the most important natural resource we have. More important than coal? Uh, yes. Oh, that was a big mistake, Bart.

No children have ever meddled with the Republican Party and lived to tell about it. Stay out of the river, damn. So much happening right now. So much. Well, let's start from the beginning of the clip. First off, I love the way Kent arches one eyebrow like even more than cole he's just incredulous at it i don't want to go over who bob's two cronies are because they are from watergate so the guy with the crew cut is hr haldeman and the guy with the bald head is john

ehrlichman they were both advisors to nixon they both served 18 months in jail for the watergate scandal and they look exactly like look in the 70s. Yeah, it's perfect drawing there. Obviously, as a kid, I didn't recognize that. I mean, until recently, I don't think I, until preparing for this podcast, I don't think I really understood Watergate as much as I thought I did. But I need to read the book Nixonland. I've heard that's like the perfect book about just Nixon in general.

Yeah, I believe the book I read, so after these commentaries came out i really wanted to read about the source material i believe the book is called nixon alone in the white house and it's just like an 800 page book about the nixon presidency but it goes way deep into watergate you learn about all the characters so it's really worth it and then yeah halderman and ehrlichman were like classic hatchet men who were just like they they're the unelectable turds who will do all the awful things yeah that nixon wants them to do including like spying on the democratic party and trying doing their best to prevent a good democratic candidate from coming up and so they were bad men who deserve to go to jail and but like all they did like bob said 18 months that's all they

did yeah they got to be famous for the rest of their lives. I believe they're both dead now, I think. I think they are. But I mean. I believe Ehrlichman passed in the 90s. Yeah, I mean Ford pardoned Nixon. So Nixon got out of jail free. He was like, do you like nachos?

Do you like not being in jail? That boy. Oh, God. Yeah, so. And then I maybe didn't understand watergate but i knew the archie gang i loved seeing the archie comic characters appear and then they are drawn fleshstone not simpson style you're right specifically in the style of the 70s hannah barbara archie cartoon which is what popularized the song Sugar Sugar. But so, they dubbed

Homer, and it is Archie, Reggie Mantle, Jughead, and Moose. It is Moose who says the line, duh, stay out of Riverdale. Moose is the lunkhead of the team who, in the comics, until recently, he always said, like,

written out, D-U-H, and then he says, like, like duh what do you mean midges not wanting to go steady duh what do you mean that was a popular character until we all thought about what that really meant if someone says duh before every sentence yeah it uh it's not as funny now it's uh yeah i mean the pc police like lenny stopping us from making fun of moose i mean as late i mean as early as the late 90s i was was like, this one guy in Ed, Edd n Eddy, there's something wrong with him, and I feel bad for laughing at him. That's true.

That's true. But I liked back in, they remark on it on the commentary. Back then, they would just draw in characters. Like, who cares? It's the Archie characters. Like, nobody's going to stop us. And now that, I bet now they can't really do that, or they have to make a deal with somebody or they have to change them 5%. But then again, Archie characters like in the early 90s were at their like lowest popularity, I'd say.

Yeah. I mean, those double digests were going pretty cheap. So two decades away from Riverdale, the TV drama. One of my secret favorite Simpsons songs is coming up next. It feels like an old style Jeff Martin ditty. I love it. Without a Mayor Quimby, our town would really stink. We wouldn't have a tire yard or a mid-sized roller rink.

We wouldn't have our gallows or a shiny big wood track. It's not the Mayor's fault that the stadium collapsed. Quimby, if you were running for Mayor, he'd vote for you. Paid for by the Mayor, Quimby for Mayor, Mayor will commit. me i mean we're making fun of republicans in this episode but i feel like that's a very democratic message a very democrat party message where it's just like this is the best we could do i guess i'm sorry we did these nice things yeah it's not my fault that thing happened and and also that in in springfield they apparently have public hanging still and he's the pride he has of like see a new sap

i don't think i think they're part of old springfield you know just like a historical landmark but i just like it's like it's not my fault this happened you know don't blame me shrug like that he's shrugging on the debris of the collapsed stadium which you would not put in your political ad just that he's yeah they're the passing of the buck thing that is definitely a very like you can throw that at a lot of democrats and it felt like a very 70s kind of ad too or just like an old school fun singing song one though reminds me what's the last song you remember that was in a political ad oh boy i remember it because it was spotlit on the cold bears late night of him talking up how

awesome it was of this woman, I forget which state she was running in, but her main plank in the Senate was that she wanted to bring in light rail to the state. So the song goes, vote for Gail, Gail, Gail, she's for light rail, rail, rail.

Vote for Gail for U.S. Senate. She's independent in the Senate. See, that's catchy. I like it. I miss the days of political jingles. I think that's why Colbert spotlit it, because he's like, they don't make these. They don't make jingles like this anymore.

Well, you don't have a clip of it, but up next, Bart and Lisa are giving out Quimby bumper stickers. I just love the Jimbo. Like, I love Grimby. Lisa pronouncing him as the lesser of two evils is what it is to vote for a lot of Democratic candidates as well as for me, like perhaps last year. So they wrap Milhouse in bumper stickers. I love his line. What's happening? When he jumped down the hill in a shopping cart.

That is really great. It's fitting they're bullying Milhouse, though I feel like in other episodes it would have been Martin. But the joke works better with covering his glasses with a bumper sticker. Milhouse is best at taking pain in the show. That's true. And I do love when Jimbo isn't quite sure of something. Like, lunch?

Maybe? I'm me? He's great at that. And his pronouncement of Mommy's ready for its mystical journey. I like that they have they could have bullied Milhouse in many ways but that they're getting creative. Very creative.

Yeah. You see what they have in front of them. So yeah. Yeah. Then Bob boy then we get some great Owen W. Elderly. Oh yeah. That Quimby fella promised to build us a madlock expressway. How you gonna top that, smart guy? Hmm.

Well, how's this? I'll not only build the expressway, I will spend the remainder of this afternoon patiently listening to your interminable anecdotes. Hot-jiggity-jam! Me first! Not many people know I own the first radio

in Springfield. Weren't much on the air then. Just had us in reciting the alphabet over and over. A, he'd say. Then B, C would usually follow. I have to say, oh, go ahead, Dave.

That may be Grandpa's, like, most internal speech ever. Like, it's just so hard to listen to. I prefer the story about the onion tie to Isabelle. But if you go to Frinkiak, I noticed, in doing the research for this episode and other episodes, if you type in hot diggity, that is sort of Abe Simpson's secret catchphrase for two years. He says hot diggity a lot in these episodes. He's going to speech her like a mule. It's true.

He says, hot diggity, that's good enough for me when she won't marry, when Bouvier won't marry Burns. I like that Bob identifies those as interminable stories and that they don't care. He's like, that is definitely a judgment on those stories being bad, but they don't care. He's like that is definitely a judgment on those stories being bad, but they don't care. They're like someone will listen to us. I mean, in the last episode of Springfield, Abe says we tell

stories that go nowhere to destroy our opponents or our enemies, but one thing I noticed about this scene, it's taking place in a Krusty Burger. You can barely tell, but I feel like it's a reference to Clinton talking to voters at McDonald's. There's a great SNL sketch with Phil Hartman playing Clinton where he's eating all their food. That's one of the best.

That's one of my favorite sketches ever. Take your food. He's just eating all the stuff and I did really like the line of Sir, Mrs. Clinton wouldn't like us stopping at McDonald's. Like, there's a lot of things you're not going to be telling Mrs. Clinton about here. Alright? Which was true!

Which was true. was true i'd say getting us no clips is the hardest thing ever so i didn't get that yeah no way so hard to do all right speaking of uh racial things we have to get into here like this sideshow bob ad is uh very specific mayor quimby supports revolving door prisons mayor quimby even released Sideshow Bob, a man twice convicted of attempted murder. Can you trust a man like Mayor Quimby? Vote Sideshow Bob for Mayor. So, I do

like that he identified himself as the bad criminal who got out, but yeah, Bob, this is based on a really real thing, isn't it? Yes, if you watch the ad and also the real life ad, they're very similar, black and white. And this is the 1988 George Bush Sr. revolving door attack ad against Dukakis and his laissez-faire attitude towards criminals. Let's play the clip.

As Governor Michael Dukakis vetoed mandatory sentences for drug dealers, he vetoed the death penalty. His revolving door prison policy gave weekend furloughs to first-degree murderers not eligible for parole. Yes. Very persuasive, powerful ad ad i will give them that like there's a reason it's one of the most remembered ads in political history but it's a very ugly like heavily race-baiting ad too yeah the name they don't say in there but they know you're thinking if you're watching this in 1988, is Willie Horton. Right. And who was infamously somebody who was let out on one of

those Dukakis-approved furlough programs who was in jail, I believe, for a double homicide. Yeah, during a robbery. During a robbery. And while out, he escaped and sexually assaulted a woman and was brought back to jail. And that was George W. Bush and his campaign wanted nothing more than to make you think that Dukakis hung out with Willie Horton and wanted that to happen and made it happen.

He wanted that all to lay at his feet. The entirety. There's another clip. We're going to get to it a little bit later. Oh, it's much, much more shocking than this. But it is shocking. It's shocking in general to see just how much, like, Dukakis got beat up. Like, I saw a lot of the stuff Dukakis was doing.

Like, yeah, you seem like I'd have voted for you, definitely. But, like, the stuff they're able to brand him with, like, it's, this is that Karl Rove evil-ass shit of just saying, like, well, we need to say that they are weak on crime and they're like even being slightly nice to criminals which and by that i mean treating them as humans in jail we have to say that they that he may as well be a crime part partners in crime with all of them and he took such a beating on that and the revolving door prison is the biggest one and i think it definitely led to if you watch the uh, the 13th, about the 13th Amendment, there's a big part in there about like as much as the Clintons may seem cool, they were big as tough on crime Democrats as a reaction to how much Dukakis got shit for. Yeah, I mean, they were trying to be like, no, we're tough on crime. Although, I mean, their solutions are not really solutions.

It's just like, we'll just put people in jail. And now I think it's more like we have all these people that work for free now. So, yeah, that's another story altogether. But that wasn't happening at this time. But the Dukakis have like minor things like that. Like in there, they say like no mandatory sentencing for drug users. Like, yes, that's good. The one reason we have a ballooning prison population or just a

gigantic one is because like oh that's pot well mandatorily you go to jail forever non-violent offenders yeah all that bullshit like this these are good things to me but back in 88 they could easily go like do you see how much he loves criminals yeah it's a weird thing to tie them together like i mean it's smart. An escaped murderer and drug dealer. Yeah, well, they're all the criminal class and evil people, and only George W. Bush can save us from them. Speaking of evil people, the people in the parody of this coming out of the prison are David Silverman, Wes Archer, Rich Moore, and Richard Sakai in order. So you can see all of them coming out. What did Richard Sakai do to go to jail?

I guess it was a crime of passion with his wife. Richard Sakai is on the escalator while the other three come through the revolving door. Yeah, the escalator is the parody touch. The revolving door is part of the actual commercial itself. It really is. But yuck, yuck. So then we get the return of Larry King, last heard reading the Bible on Blowfish blah blah blah blah episode and that's when they get a nice little knock at Fox of just that since Simpsons

didn't have a laugh track it was basically the only Fox show in 1994 that didn't have obnoxious hooting and hollering. I mean I think they were just referencing Mary with Children in general. Yeah. Whenever Kelly came in or Al Bundy came in it was just like woo! If Al would say like you look like a little boy to Darcy,

Marcy Darcy would be like, woo! You made fun of that lesbian. He called her a chicken a lot, which I don't understand. I still don't understand that at all. I remember when I liked the times when Marcy would get, Marcy would usually get a one back at him. She wouldn't just take the abuse his favorite my favorite one i remember was he said oh as you're saying if i lean forward and put my

arms together it looks like i have boobs and then she said oh well you don't need to do that i think she usually got the upper hand yeah she usually did but it's also kind of weird like fox in 1994 is still a growing network that they would have like in the 1992 election like were they doing the same things that cbs they never got into political stuff like that they they rarely aired the political stuff yeah they left that too i mean the fox television network never really they don't have their own news division they leave that to their cable channel which uh yeah your simpsons money kind of sort of helps pay for sean hannity i don't want to think about that sonic the head drunk says there's no ethical consumption exactly that's

so true uh so then we get into the debate quimby is looking terrible in a reference to the nixon kennedy debate which we saw last in duffless right that man's never had a duff in his life so september 16th 1960 a debate between nixon and kennedy that would sort of set the template for all politics to follow in which it's just like oh how you look matters now and nixon just got out of the hospital after a knee injury he was looking sick and he lost a lot of weight in an ill-fitting suit and kennedy was just like this beaming picture of health yeah well nixon never would have won a beauty contest against Kennedy on his best day. But yeah, he just looked bad.

And so he, but that's funny, though, that in this, the Kennedy equivalent, Quimby, is the one in the Nixon position. You're right, yeah. And yeah, Bob is having his hair blow-dyed and coiffed, while meanwhile, Quimby is on extra drowsy formula Quickie Mart cold medicine. Because of all the old people he shook hands with. Yeah, that's another redone mouth movement. I wonder what his thing was.

I like the joke, though. But shaking hands with those old people. And just Quimby's general moaning is great. And I couldn't choose any one line for this, so we're just going to have to listen to the whole debate because it rules. Sideshow Bob, Councilman Les Winan says that you're not experienced enough to be mayor. Sir, what do you have to say about that? I'd say that Les Winan ought to do more thinking and less whining. There's no counseling

and less whining. Good line, though. Mayor Quimby, you're well-known, sir, for your lenient stance on crime. But suppose for a second that your house was ransacked by thugs, your family tied up in the basement with socks in their mouths. You try to open

the door, but there's too much blood on the knob. What is your question? My question's about the budget, sir. Oh. Okay, so we're going to get into this right now. First, that Let's Wine In one. Oh, Let's Wine In, yeah. The Let's Wine In is a great line.

I know I've goofed around with friends about that. I just like setting up a perfect bad name that isn't real to just set up a great rejoinder that's prepared. And you definitely get the feel Birch and Bob knew they were going to do those lines and process it. You mean share the debate question? Yes. Well, that's also implied that that was actually revealed. That happened on the Democratic side of things. But there's always favorable people on those debates.

In every debate, you'll see them like Brit Hume though actually Brit Hume like famously he tore apart Dan Quayle because he wasn't a good enough Republican even though Brit Hume is a big time Republican I also like a joke that's good enough that Bart forgets that this guy tried to

he appreciates the joke part of it but okay yes Bert's second question. So this is a direct reference to a joke Dukakis was asked during a 1988 debate with a similar agenda towards it. And it is shocking to hear this even now. Governor, if Kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer? No, I don't, Bernard, and I think you know that I've opposed the death penalty during all of my life.

I don't see any evidence that it's deterrent, and I think there are better and more effective ways to deal with violent crime. We've done so in my own state, and it's one of the reasons why we have had the biggest drop in crime of any industrial state in america why we have the lowest murder rate of any industrial state in america yeah so basically like what if your wife was raped and murdered what would you do that that is unbelievable that that was someone from cnn bernard shaw asking that which like could you imagine at any presidential, that was a presidential debate. The highest debate there is at any presidential debate where they say like, well, Mr. Trump, what if your wife was raped and murdered?

Saying her name even. What if Melania was raped and murdered? Yes. What if Tipper Gore was raped? Like that, that was beyond the pale. Like that was, and that's such like that that was beyond the pale like that was yeah like and it's and that's such like that is like a bar argument you'd have with a friend over the death penalty where you'd say well i'm against the death penalty like well what if hitler was there would you would

yeah would you have the death penalty events hitler it's a stupid question because uh removing the emotional aspect of that question how loaded it is like uh michael duukakis would not be on the jury or he would not be the judge. It's supposed to be an impartial jury with an impartial judge. If someone did rape and murder his wife, that never happened, thank God, they would judge him according to the laws of whatever state he was in. That's how the justice system works. You don't have that power if you are the victim. Well, I mean, that's one of the— Or associated with the victim sorry well that's one of like the top uh that is one of the top defenses of the death penalty too that it's just

your personal investment like okay you'd say that about other people but what if you were the victim right right you want the death penalty then it's like oh shit checkmate dude i'm sorry it's just that appeal to emotions type thing and it's right it's one of my favorite bits in Michael Moore's Where to Invade Next, where he's interviewing a man who's in, I believe it was Sweden, whose son was one of many people killed in like a horrifying massacre. And that guy can't be given the death penalty because there is no death penalty in that country. And Michael Moore asked him, like, would you want there to be a death penalty? He's like, no, I don't. And it's like, yeah, the guy will never leave prison. That's no treat.

And dying is not bringing Mrs. Dukakis back. And I'm totally with Dukakis on that, too. Just, like, it isn't a deterrent. Like, the death, if anything, knowing you'd be facing the death penalty means you'd kill a witness you wouldn't otherwise kill, perhaps. There's no way you answer that question on television. It'd sound good doing it. It's such an unfair question. I mean, looking at this now, he did a great job.

I'm sure he was like, what the fuck? And I did watch an interview with him somewhat recently with Dukakis of saying, I thought it was a fair question. I've answered questions like that in my own life. Didn't bother me. And he stood his ground on that he was very clear like no i've been an opponent of the death penalty my entire life and again that two people in 88 that made him look weak everybody else thinks i'd fucking kill anyone who touched my wife like how dare he it was all about like the trying to be the most masculine president you can be when hw bush is

like a dweeb yeah he's a loser. He's a guy who told CIA agents to kill for him. He didn't kill nobody. He parked up some broccoli in Japan. I do love when Quimby pushes back his hair and it's the devil horns and it's all greasy.

Channel 6 literally adds a ring of fire around it. I didn't know that Channel 6 had a political bend. They did. They clearly do. I mean, Ken Brockman is so... Yeah, wait. It's airing on Fox, but it's Channel 6.

Channel 6 could be the Fox affiliate. It could be a Fox affiliate. Wow, you're right. I guess we cracked that code. I was just so used to it being five. Well, now I'm going to watch for later if Ken Brockman says a disparaging thing about Fox or acts like Fox is a different channel, I will note that for future

Simpsons continuity. So, yeah, the debate is amazing. It still rings. So much of this episode is like, oh, this is today. This is still today. If anything, there's some jokes like, this doesn't go far enough for the satire we live in now.

And that does include examples of voters voting against their best interests. That's true. I don't agree with his fart-killing policy, but I do approve of his Selma-killing policy. Well, he framed me for armed robbery, but man, I'm aching for that upper-class tax cut. So people are voting for the guy who is against them like literally personally against them and much like uh the simpsons would say again in uh two years time on the halloween episode no one can vote third party no no throw your votes away but so the episode starts with homer like listening to birch barlow and i ever like i've this a few times, and I forget that he's not political in this episode. I thought that part of the episode was Homer becoming a Republican or something, but he doesn't really.

Listening to Birch at least says that Homer is more conservative. He identifies with Birch Barlow. Yeah, and so he's that. And probably Birch is who talked him into voting, though. Homer being a Birch fan pretty much is done after like 30 seconds. Yeah, Birch Barlow's gone from the universe after this episode. He never comes back. Yeah, I kind of wish they brought him back because it's Harry, too.

It's just like it works. Birch could be there any time. Okay, so then we get the results, which honestly, Bob really poorly fixed this election because were it in any city but Springfield, a result of 100 100 of the vote would be questioned by every person 100 to 1 and there is a 1 margin of error even in a two in a two-party system like america has even in fucking mississippi the split would be 70 30 republican democrat on pretty much anything you would have to like still be running but be under investigation for murder

to get even a 4% as a major party candidate. He got greedy. Yeah, he got legitimate votes, and it seemed like just in this episode that he's outclassing Quimby. I think he would have won if he hadn't cheated. He would have won anyways, for sure. Yeah, but then again, that's what happened with Watergate, too. Nixon probably would have won also, but he couldn't control himself.

He had all that power, man. Then it's one of my, I have all this clip because it's great acting by Kelsey Grammer, but also Mark Kirkland and his team. The acting on this, the drawing is so great. All right, let's go live to Bob headquarters now for Mayor Terwilliger's victory speech. And just look how happy he is. Great evil laughter. Citizen Kane though, right?

Yeah, that's the same stage. Citizen Kane framing, yeah. With the giant face behind him. A black and white face of him specifically, which they've done like three times already on the show at this point. I do want to give credit to kelsey grammar that he he is a conservative guy like he is a republic i think partially they originally had in his second appearance bob identify as a republican because that's how kelsey votes too but that he's he's all in on this like he clearly didn't if he if he objected to the content of it he didn't he still did it like so having fun with

it and on the commentary david merkin says kelsey grammar hates doing the evil laugh but david merkin makes him do it every time even though kelsey's like don't you have this on tape already he's like no we need a specific evil laugh but that that evil laughter now just feels fills me with dread because i did think of this scene when when trump was doing his congratulatory speech to himself of like yeah I want to just like oh the guy who didn't think he'd win only has evil intent now has won and he like should be

cackling in joy which is is what Bob does so it is weird thinking about yeah Kelsey Grammer doing this episode in that like the crime part of it is like it's only the very end and it seems like they could have changed it if Kelsey didn't want to do this episode.

Yeah. You mean they could have done it with somebody else. Yeah. It didn't have to be Bob as, as the mayor. But it is a mystery in a way. And then they're all mysteries. The Sideshow of Bob episodes.

It's more of a third act mystery. There's not even set up an act two. Yeah. It would be a mystery just in act, act three mystery, but then don't even get to come up it's against the simpsons until this act yeah and well bob goes straight to it with his plan to ruin the simpsons live giving his power like immediately his first act like they build that expressway

overnight yeah outside their house also the uh foreman at the construction site with holdman and ehrlichman too he's very hands-on as mayor and this was the first time i noticed the sign for the matlock expressway had a silhouette of matlock's agent and that abe is so into it he's ready to be the first person to drive it right now and then homer i like mr i like homer calling him to wiggager to wiggager yeah he mispronounces it and that they have 70 i forgot the ticking clock on this, too. They have 72 hours. Oh, you're right.

They don't enforce it enough. Not really. Yeah. They never mention the ticking clock after that. Yeah. But then his punishment for Bart is even cleverer. Bart, by special request to the mayor's office, you are going to be left back. Oh.

You mean I have to repeat the fourth grade? Well, yes, but not for four or five years. Bart, you're going to be left back. Oh. You mean I have to repeat the fourth grade? Well, yes, but not for four or five years. Bart, you're going to kindergarten. Kindergarten? Now, boys and girls, who knows what this is? Triangle. Very good, Bart. You have first

choice of toys for free play. Cool. I call the Flintstone phone. Yabba-dabba-doo! I like talking to you! The goofy Bart laugh we heard in Bart of Darkness in Mad Magazine. His entertainment answer. And that is the real voice of Fred Flintstone. Oh, yeah.

And that was Henry Corden. Henry Death Jingle Time. Yes! Oh, that's right! Death stalks you at every turn! There it is! Death! So Henry Corden was the second voice of Fred Flintstone,

replacing Alan Reed, who died in 1977. And Henry Corden died in 2005. He was born in 1920. That's a pretty long life. Quite a long life for that character actor who then became... He was the Fred of my childhood. Same here, yeah. Obviously,

I watched the Flintstones reruns too, but I watched the newer Flintstones stuff where you'd hear Henry's voice in it. I like dying for you. The funny thing is, Alan Reed, though, played a heavy in a lot of old noir movies, so you can see some movies where someone's being menaced

by a guy with Fred Flintstones' voice. Including The Postman Always Rings Twice. Oh, wow. I got to re-watch that and then hear the Fred voice. And yeah, his last time as Fred was actually in a Flintstone's video game in 2000. Wow. And it's been a different guy ever since. But that Flintstone phone is beautiful.

I love the drawing of each Flintstone character on the dial, so when you press one, you hear from them. It's also led to one of my funniest moments in my podcasting history where you can listen to the episode of VG Empire, Brett Elston's video game music podcast. We do a Silent Hill episode, and we're talking about Silent Hill Shattered Memories, which is my favorite. Okay, two's better.

But my favorite Silent Hill game. One of the coolest things it does, the Wii version of the game, is the Wii remote had a speaker on it. And you would sometimes have phone calls that would come through the speaker. So I was trying to sell them. I'm like, it was such a cool feature. Nobody does it. And then Brett just kills me with like, i like talking to you i was like well great you've undercut every cool thing i said about this feature well you know the ps4 controller has that feature but no one

used it after the first year it's like fuck this speaker fuck this light who cares i mean the wii remote just looks more like a phone yeah it's more phone like it's also this is a weirdly like prescient joke that when i was in kindergarten i remember like oh yeah there's some toys that like like the newer toys yeah the cooler more tech oriented toys i want one of those yeah i can spell like i don't want a fucking ball or the thing with the little balls into like the push thing i don't know what the hell they call it yeah you couldn't appreciate it on my level children as frank but also brett elston i think of this joke because within our friends group it's kind of an inside joke where this happened at games radar when we worked together many times that if somebody asks a question with an obvious answer of saying like uh, what's that one Mario game on the NES?

And you just said, like, yeah, Super Mario Brothers. Say that's the reply. If you were quick or excited to say, oh, Super Mario Brothers, then Brett would go, triangle. His note of, like, you're so quick to say the obvious answer, like, when everybody knows it. So whenever I hear that triangle i i think of old brett elston so the uh the back-to-back all the president's men references are happening up next where lisa asks for the results of the secret ballot and the the librarian says meh is it the first actual meh you know i think it might be like articulated meh i think it might be yeah

that's true i i didn't think of that yeah and he hands over the voting record he's saying mad to a massive invasion of privacy yeah i mean we're the mtv generation bit could be read as i don't think it's as meh as this guy this was clearly meh and i think it's not until season 10 or 9 that l spells M-E-H. That was in the... They go out and garden. Oh, yeah, it's the carnival episode. Right, right. Bart Carney.

Bart Carney, yes. I also do like that they identify Quimby is also a felon, which I wonder what his felony was for. But I rewatched All the President's Men, actually, in preparation for this episode and it is it's a good if you want a nice little a good film that is an introduction to what watergate was it is about it based on the book by the same two men bob woodward and carl bernstein the washington post writers who did the majority of the breaking of the news and reporting on Watergate, thanks to a number of anonymous sources and all their various digging into Creep,

which was the committee to re-elect the president. Right, yeah. And it's a great film about journalism. That was fake news, Henry. As somebody who is tangentially related to journalism, I really liked it. I'm just saying like, oh, this is reporting. But it also was

it is such a bygone era watching it and i don't just mean that they had to call people and they had no internet to search for things and they had to go to their bank of phone books to go through the phone books for every major city to look for somebody i don't just mean that it's that they have a copy editor they have time to they're we're going to put these two reporters on the story for a while. They weren't having to write 10 top 10 lists in a week to pad out the paper. Woodward and Bernstein were given time there, and people respected them as newsmen. Like, definitely they get their doors slammed in their face

by Republican operatives who are just like, I'm not going to help you hurt the president. But other people actually say things like, I'm a Republican, but this is bigger than that. Or what he's doing is so wrong. I mean, the entire Republican Party after Nixon was a reaction to this. I think the Republicans saw the fall of Nixon and the exposure of Watergate wasn't Nixon's fault. It was disloyal people who turned on Nixon instead of keeping it a secret. But as it's shown in all the presidents, man, quick version is that five dudes break into

the Democratic headquarters in the Watergate Hotel in Washington, D.C. They are caught and arrested. It is revealed that they were getting money given to them through Republican operatives who were trying to help Nixon win presidency. And it would slowly reveal that Nixon, with Halderman, Ehrlichman, dozens of other guys, were helping him not just spy on the Democratic Party, but prevent them from sabotaging their people until they ended up with McGovern, who was not the best choice for him. I mean, I forget his name. I'm sorry that I did forget his name. But one of his political enemies, he broke into his psychiatrist's office

and found all of his files so he could have dirt on him. Well, and also, Nixon was at one point endangered of being primaried as the president, too, which was he needed that to not happen happen so he used the obscene power the president had then which is like nothing compared to now yes and and simpler times and that's also what watching the movie made me think too of just like oh well they got caught because they had to physically break into a place they didn't have to like cyber attack someplace and get a bunch of emails i mean ultimately nixon as bad as what he did was is a hill of beans compared to both uh george w bush and trump and even things obama did i mean like it just sort of set the standard like oh you can't

get in trouble for doing this you're the president so just do whatever you want you you ultimately can't be like people who even say it's something too when let's i i honestly can't date this because i don't know what scandal will happen next with the Trump presidency. There's one every day. But when one happens, you get fired within a week. People get so excited of like, we finally caught Donald Jr., man. We're going to get him like, it doesn't matter. Nothing happens.

I mean, outside of murder, sometimes no one ever goes to jail for white collar crime. Well, Nixon's thing was just so, it was so bad and that they, but it was just a slowly unfolding thing that really took like three years before he was finally in the corner of you will likely be impeached and removed from office. And your legacy now is you are either going to be the first president impeached and removed from office, or you will be the first president who resigns and it leaves office electively,

which is what Nixon in the end did. And so what The Simpsons does in relation to all the president's men, first off, Lisa going through every name. In the movie, it is the exact same shot of the continuing up, up, and up. And it is when Woodward and Bernstein get the records of every book that the White House checked out from the library to find out if one insubstantial thing was a lie. And so it's just, it's many scenes like that that show, like, if you just read the news stories, you don't know how hard these guys worked.

Yeah, and they were both, like, 25 at the time, which is astounding. Like, wow. I mean, All the President's Men is already a great movie, but that also helps to watch that before watching Dick, I think it is. Oh, yeah. Or Will Ferrell and Bruce McCullough play Woodward and Bernstein. Oh, man, yeah. Oh, I forgot that.

It's a great movie, yeah. And Arthur B. Abelbab is quite a- It's a great- Oakley and Weinstein name, yeah. But that's Jinx. I can't talk anymore. Sorry, guys. No, but the-

And then the next section right after that, where even Lisa and Bart have to identify that they're like in All the President's Men, is the meeting with Deep Throat, which I'll explain Deep Throat after this clip. This is so cool, Bart. We're just like Woodward and Bernstein. Yeah, except their dad wasn't waiting in the car

reading Archie comics. Starting to repudiate punks. Think they're too good for me. You're on the right track. Follow the names. How the hell do you know? I can't tell you who I am, but I worked on the campaign.

Hey, Mr. Smithers! Well, you might as well give me a ride home now never gone behind mr burns back before but sideshow bob's ultra conservative views conflict with my choice of lifestyle all i can do is give you one name edgar neubauer find him and you'll find your answer. So, first off, that parking structure is just like the parking structure where Woodward meets with Deep Throat. Yeah, I mean, Smithers' silhouette gives him away, though, for sure.

Well, and that's how he's filmed in the movie, too. Deep Throat in the movie is a character, but they don't identify because he was anonymous when they made the film, too. They still, Woodward very much was protective of his of his source who they nicknamed deep throat yes after the porno famous porno in which the plot is uh the the lead character uh has a medical anomaly in that her clitoris is in the

back of her throat she needs to find the right man to stimulate it yes Yes, it really happened, folks. To go deep into that throat. I mean, porn had plots back in the day. I miss those days. But, so, in the film and in real life, that the deep throat gave him guidance because he was somebody high up in the government who knew more than the public was getting to know about it so he could tell woodward go here follow the money look into this name and he also has the great line that i've heard quote many

times now like these the the truth is they're not very smart and they got it over their head just like that that explains i feel like we'll be hearing that a lot these days. Oh, yeah. But since this episode aired in 2005, in our lifetime, Deep Throat was revealed as FBI lifer Mark Felt. That's right. And on the commentary, they talk about it because it just happened as of the recording. And Matt Gray's like, what do you guys think about this? And it was great to hear that at the time of reaction to that news. And yeah, he was an FBI high-level guy who knew all this stuff stuff that knew it was wrong and knew that people needed to know about it so he and that mark felt his in his

later years he has passed away since then his family convinced him like the world should know in your own words like admit it and let yeah let people know and i think mostly people were pretty nice about it it's like yes everybody from watergate is fine like they they did a couple years at best in jail and then got to be republican celebrities for the rest of his life like fucking g gordon liddy's still around that's the guy i was thinking about he was one of the guys that broke into the watergate place it was him and four cuban americans wait aren't fbi directors supposed to be faithful to the president? Isn't that their top job? That's true, yeah. I hate leakers. Well, Felt was not director. He was a high-level FBI guy.

He was not the director of the FBI. And partially they say that he did it. Some people think he did it as a response to being passed over for promotions. But so it wasn't all moral. And one thing people noticed that later, before it wasn't woodward's idea to name him deep throat it was an editor of his above him at the washington post in his first time he used the code my friend mf okay mark felt and apparently before mark felt was open about it that it was a most people at the high level of government kind of knew it was him

they eventually deduced like we know all the people who would know the information that this guy shared and it could only be one of a few people and so that that included mark felt so yeah but uh but yeah any history lesson on watergate i mean again read that book i mentioned i think it's uh it's called richard nixon alone in the white house it was written before the deep throat uh unveiling, so you won't know the guy's name. One thing I want to point out, though, I feel like this is a move in the right direction for The Simpsons in which Smithers'

gayness is not to be made the subject of fun. We're supposed to sympathize with him in that he could suffer for his sexual identity. O and W were some of the best at the time to Smithers. That it wasn't just, no offense to

Gene and Reese and their style of working with Smithers and gay characters in general, but especially Smithers like... How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner, and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You see,

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Yeah. But this made his choice of lifestyle a moral imperative for him. And it's why it was a theory back in the day that some Knicks Watergate fans that Deep Throat did it because they didn't want to be outed or that it was it was something that Woodward used against his source, which was not true. Right. But so I wonder if that's kind of tied up into having it be a closeted guy. But but this is like I am gay listeners, in case you didn't know. It was actually a shock to one of our friends, which I thought I thought, but you're gay. Don't you know I am gay, listeners, in case you didn't know. It was actually a shock to one of our friends, which I thought, but you're gay. Don't you know I'm gay? Don't you guys see the same, like, predator vision?

We should be in the same club. Yeah. And by clubs, I mean, like, the secret clubs. Yeah. But, okay. My mom had to explain that joke to me. I didn't know what choice of lifestyle meant. When I was 12, I didn't know my sexuality really then.

I had ideas. But it's something that, like, struck me and still strikes me now. Just like, it is something I hate. Any queer person who is friendly to the GOP, it angers me like few other things do. And there's tons of injustice in the world. It's not the ultimate injustice. But it makes me so mad. Because in most cases, it is white guys who are just like, well, I'm accepted enough by the Republicans and I'll just turn my back on everybody.

And I'll be a fucking traitor who will say, well, hey, I'm gay. I'm totally cool using the word faggot. I'm just like, fuck you. But it makes me so. And they're rich enough to escape any of the persecution or suffering that anyone else in their shoes would face. And they'll throw people under the bus for that acceptance. It's like, look, it's cool if you're gay and have conservative views. That's one thing.

It's like, that's fine. That's your personal thing. But to support the Republican Party who is out to kill you, they fucking hate you and can't stand you, and you would lick their fucking boots. I cannot stand that. I mean, that is a plot point in this episode.'s not just us saying yes i this is called on by the real plot point yeah it's it's something that makes me so angry and i this was the first time i recognized that like oh yeah if you're gay why would you help a republican like your ultra conservative views do conflict with your choice of lifestyle this does which take that framing

that's how the Republicans would frame it. Like, oh, you choose to be a disgusting person. And I think Smithers is being a bit ironic with his choice of words. He was using their language. But I also feel like this. But also, he didn't want to say, I'm gay. He was still uncomfortable saying it. He's feeling a bit of shame about it.

But I feel like this confirms for the first time, Smithers is not just a Burns-sexual. He is a gay man. Yes. It's not just he's into Mr. Burns he is just a gay man in Springfield who lives his life and this would interfere with that life he lives and that I also do love Homer's

friendliness to Smithers it kind of reminds me of Homer the Smithers hey Mr. Smithers I feel like a season 2 Homer would have been like ugh Mr. Smithers he's like Smithers fucks him over in his job. Yeah. In Samson and Simpson and Delilah.

But now he's just like, Hey, Mr. Smithers. I think he's just bored with their stakeout. He'll be like, Oh, that's someone I know I can talk to. That flash of light on Smithers 2 is so great. I guess you better take me home. So who is this Edgar Neubauer? That's when they're really digging into the names. They're going through the phone books.

Also, more of a subtle reference to all the President's Men. That's when Woodward is going through all these phone books looking for Kenneth Dahlberg. That's who he's looking for at that time, who was a person whose gift to the Republicans somehow ended up in the bank account of the guys who broke into Watergate. That shouldn't be. I'd look for Aronson and Zukowski first. I like A-Gorilla. Yeah, but it's not even Moe prank level joke of a name.

It's something Bart finds stupidly funny. Yeah, A-Gorilla. And we get a nice little callback to the bats in the library. Lise is giving up, and then it's Bart who gets the touch of dumb luck. Right, yeah. Which, it shows that at least Bart, unlike in other times where Bart lets Lisa do all the work, Bart does do something here.

I found Edgar Neubauer! Oh my god. The dead have risen, and they're voting Republican. No, Bart, don't you see? Dead people can't vote. Look, Prudence Goodwife died 1641. She voted for Bob, too. So did Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, and the Big Bopper.

Even the Pet Cemetery voted for Bob. Look, Mr. and Mrs. Bananas, Humphrey Beauregard. Oh, my poor dead kitty. Please, not you, Mr. and Mrs. Bananas, Humphrey Beauregard. Oh, my poor dead kitty. Please, not you too. All right, Bob. Now it's personal. Hey, um, he did try to kill me. I do like Humphrey Beauregard.

It's a very bad pun name. Mr. and Mrs. Bananas buried next to each other. And it's another of those Snowball One jokes. Like, no, they didn't call... They wouldn't bury Snowball as Snowball One. They were just snowballing. Yeah, that is strange. I just realized that.

But I guess the Pet Sematary is next to the actual cemetery. Because we find out that Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, and the Big Bopper are all buried in Springfield. They all died in the same plane crash. It's the famous Day of the Music Guide. And for this, I pulled out one of my favorite Kids in the Hall sketches that we have here. Warning, there is a racial slur in this sketch, but

it is basically, the point of this sketch is like oh, these legendary men, what if they were all awful assholes who deserve to die? At least Buddy Holly. And this is Kevin McDonald who we saw in a pizza place four or five months ago, playing Buddy Holly, getting on a plane. Hey, loser!

Let's get fucking flying! I'm afraid, buddy. I don't like to fly. Shut up, Vambers, you fucking LaBaba spick! You're gonna fly and you're gonna like it. Hey, where's Big Bopper?

Tell him to get his fat ass off the can. I can't wait all day. I wrote Peggy Sue. Get in there and lose some weight. Hey, wait a second. Everything I touch turns to gold? Hey, I got an idea.

Okay, he gets a monkey to fly the plane. Oh, he needs a suitcase. Yeah, I mean, this sketch was from 1991. The joke is like, we have this sacred figure in our lives, Buddy Holly. What if he sucked and was a horrible drunk who destroyed his own life? Everybody is aggrandizing him and stuff. And you instead have him go like, get in the fucking plane and die already. Did that make the Comedy Central run?

That was one of the HBO ones. Yeah, cursing in the... Actually, I saw it on Comedy Central and they just blank out of the HBO ones. Yeah, cursing and the... Actually, I saw it on Comedy Central and they just blank out all the curses, so it's just hard to follow. I don't remember it too much from Comedy Central run either now. It's one of the fun things to rewatch. Kids and all will be like, oh, they cut this one. The story, I remember the one that really shocked me.

Like, oh, what to do when you're attacked by a bear but they need a large man right and uh that's not the most i get it it's it's as a gay person it's not one of my favorite sketches to look back on it's funny but uh lisa calling it personal and bar pointing out like he's trying to kill me trying to kill me but this is when this is the episode where it becomes lisa and bart versus sideshow bob not bart versus, right. I mean, he needs Lisa's help because she's much smarter. Lisa would be involved in many of the future Bob episodes. Like, it is Lisa

and Bart fighting Bob in the suite about the Atomic Bob. It's Lisa and Bart helping him against Sideshow Cecil. And so it... She helped him a lot with the first one, Investigation. Oh, with Bart? No. Bart's the one who... She doesn't believe it either. She helped him a lot with the first one, investigation. Oh, with Bart? No, Bart's the one who, she doesn't believe it either.

It's only Bart who points out his big feet and it all clicks together. Lisa wasn't that involved in Crusty is Busted. He never lost his lack of trust in humanity or something, whatever the line was. Even Lisa's just like, maybe you're wrong, Bart, in Crusty is Busted. Before this courtroom scene, we get a kind of weak scene with marge warding away the construction equipment with her uh rolling pin and then homer predicting a scene in the simpsons movie of him being smashed with a wrecking ball against his own house yeah i i also did love this is another one i caught the first time the editorial on the newspaper page why not let dead pets vote yeah which that is news now i'm just like you know what i'm gonna be the editorial page

in news is to be the devil's advocate for like i don't know i mean maybe we should just kill every jew it's just like the worst possible opinion i'm just being devil's advocate who's to say and and then we get to the final court scene which then it becomes a few good men not all uh all the president's men and lyle hutz is in this for like 10 seconds yeah i wonder i didn't dig into it i wonder if there is a similar deleted scene to let we saw in the boy who knew too much all right that would explain why they put hutz in charge so he would fail this episode is already supersized so yeah but i but i i as as chris would do i will have every clip of oh yes of Philharmonia Mr. Mayor is it true you rigged

the election no I did not kids help oh I don't mind we want these children to feel justice has been served that way they can sleep soundly tonight on their hard feculent motel pillows

great word there I learned the word feculent motel pillows. Great word there. I learned the word feculent and it's great. Yeah, and then Lisa does what Tom Cruise does in A Few Good Men, which is push your witness and treat him hostilely until he admits to everything. Yeah, you attack their pride. That's how Nicholson is undone in A Few Good Men. he just admits to it because he's like you wouldn't punish me i'm too important and this is what i did because i'm so smart and so this is part one you know sideshow bob i believe you when you say you're innocent indeed i am because we all know you're a naive pawn puppet if you will of the most diabolical political genius springfield has

ever known virtual Birchball T. Barlow! Wow, I want to see what Harry Sherman is doing during that take. And the way he acts definitely shows, like, oh, he is guilty, or he did. He helped with something, but... Good poker face, Barlow. Yeah, Barlow just immediately falls apart. And then Bob, his pride does him in, in which we get... Actually, we haven't said a line in the show yet.

I think his spin, to me, his spin on you can't handle the truth is my line. I agree how much he extrapolates from that simple line. That's the joke. You don't have the intelligence to rig an election by yourself, do you? You were just Barlow's lackey. You were Ronnie to his Nancy. Sonny to his Cher. Bingo to his rest of the Beatles.

Enough! Lies, lies, lies. I did it. I did it all. There. Is that what you want, you smarmy little bastards? We want the truth. You want the truth? You can't handle the truth. No truth

handler, you. Bah! I deride your truth handling abilities. Will you get to the point? Yes. Only I could have executed such a masterpiece of electoral fraud. And I have the records to prove it! Here, just look at these!

Each one a work of Machiavellian art! He pulls the floppy disks out of his hair, too. Yeah, and like four log books of like Bob's Fraud Log, which I get that now, you say it out loud, it's a funny thing to say. It's obviously not as funny as Arrested Development, Bob's Fraud Log, which I get that now. You say it out loud, it's a funny thing to say. It's obviously not as funny as Arrested Development.

Bob's Fraud Log? Bob Loblaw's Log Log. Lob Log. But, yes, that he's so proud of it. It is, like, his work of Machiavellian art to replace. Also, that is a thing you hear every election from both sides in America. Just saying, like, well, I bet all those dead people are going to vote. Like, oh, you got every dead person in Chicago voting for you, Kennedy.

Now, obviously, Hillary stole all those votes in the states that she absolutely didn't need any votes in. She wanted to steal way more votes in California, so she'd win California. And I mean, now this stance and I still hear the dead voted for you type thing. But now more it's like them illegals voted for you multiple times, even three million illegals. Like the truth in America is no one wants to vote. It's too hard. It costs money and time and there is no voter fraud because it's or at least like not of illegal immigrants or people who can't vote going to vote because nobody wants to do that. Voting is no fun.

I just love, bah, I deride your truth handling ability. No truth handler you. Truth handler you. Though Secrets of a Successful Marriage just did a You Can't Handle the Truth bit. So, which I mean in real time was four months ago. It was in May of 1994. This is October 1994. It was a good deconstruction of that phrase.

Just like building off of it twice. No truth handler you. The way he said it, he says, you're not a truth handler, but instead, no truth handler you. Very great and calmest place in that sentence. What is the better delivery of You Can't Handle the Truth? Homer's montage of movie quotes are this. I'd say Bob. I mean, Kelsey Grammer.

No one can beat him in his hands. Kelsey Grammer just rules, and then he explains the appeal of the Republican Party. And it's still true. But why? Because you need me, Springfield. Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king.

That's why I did this, to protect you from yourselves. Now, if you don't mind, I have a city to run. Bill, let's place the mayor under arrest. What? Oh, yes, all the mayor under arrest. What? Oh, yes. All that stuff I did. All that stuff I did. All that stuff.

That's great. That is my runner-up line of the show. Like, oh, right. All that stuff I did. For his very, like, regal speeches, like, oh, that stuff I did. Yes. It really just undercuts that. And I just love his clenched fist when he says, rule you like a king.

I mean, that explains our current president. You know, a lot of republican voters respond well to authoritarianism as long as they know they're not going to be the victims and bad haircuts and then when they find out they are the victims they're like wait no i voted for you to take these things away from people who aren't me i have to blame someone else for this yep it's definitely not i i also saw this scene referenced multiple people when Donald Trump Jr. posted those emails like, see, here's the emails like, this is that scene. This is him saying like, no, I did it. Except there is never, I hope I'm wrong on this, but I doubt there will ever be an, oh, all that stuff I did.

Yeah, because it doesn't matter. There's no accountability. No, and in my mind, I'm assuming that either Quimby, the real election results then showed Quimby won, so then Quimby became mayor, or they just had a special runoff and Quimby won that. But either way, Quimby is mayor again, though they don't explain it. Yeah.

And then Bart gets to go back to fourth grade, even though he won't find out who the dish ran away with. I love that little photo. His smile in that newspaper photo. Good old hey-doodle-doodle. Meanwhile, Bart at least has a grouse in the photo.

Also that a class ends with, and the dish ran away with. We'll do it next time. I'll tell you next week. We won! You gotta pad out classes though, Kindergarten. You gotta wait time to kill. We do learn that crime doesn't pay. Someday I'll have my vengeance.

Someday, when I find my way out of this savage, roach-ridden cesspool. Say, to Williger's a yelly. Bob, come along. We need a knife to row against the Princeton alarms. Princeton? It's back. Stroke. Stroke.

Sorry, it's Princeton that elicits the same response as a rake. Yes. If you're a Yale-y. Well, yes, because I didn't go. I couldn't get in sniffing distance of any of those schools. But they're all Ivy League schools that have a uh rivalry it's really harvard and yale and then princeton's kind of on the outside i feel like it's always stanford and berkeley too yeah yeah totally go berkeley bears woo yay uh but this the joke here is that bob

traded up because he was in real prison and then he goes to political crime prison which is not prison he's standing at the open gates and uh springwood where he's in prison is a parody of allenwood which apparently is a real minimum security prison for you know white collar crime this also reminds me of the great state sketch with the honor system prison it's like as a favor to me don't go out this gate but that he said to consider it off limits that moment though it's it's played straight in wolf of wall street but it's this exact same scene of oh i thought i was going to be punished i remembered i'm rich and it's that is the exact thing like a white collar crime is just more of like, yeah, the class of crime. You all crime should be equal. But clearly somebody selling crack versus somebody defrauding people through through illegal means.

One's nicer and one gets less time in a nicer place. And perhaps race has something to do with it. I don't know. Maybe. But this also sets up that Bob was a Yale-y, which I don't think it had been said before that he went to Yale. He has the boorish manners of a Yale-y. Yes. And that is, Oakley and Weinstein are one of many Harvard graduates who were members of the staff. And though the Princeton setup,

actually, my new continuity in my head is that his hate of Princeton is extra because Cecil Terwilliger went to Princeton like four years at Clown College. I'd like you to not call Princeton that. That's great. I totally forgot about that line. Man, this could be our longest episode ever. We had to work an entire history lesson about Watergate. So much political stuff.

In retrospect, we should have read every name from that log, from the voting logs. Yes. But this is my new favorite episode in the thing. I like this more. It's so densely packed. It so much is. I think my favorite one before this was either Mr. Plow, the Skinner one. Sweet Timber Skinner's badass song.

Sweet Timber Skinner. Yeah. That was my favorite. Also Oakley and Weinstein. Yeah. Yeah., that was my favorite, but now, yeah, yeah. But this is my favorite to date. It is so funny,

so political, everything. And it still works today, but dated and not dated. Yeah. And that it is a tour de force for Kelsey grammar. It is some of the best acting in lines, but yeah,

it's my, it's my favorite. My, it's absolutely my favorite Sideshow Bob episode I think it's for me too yeah I like next season's one but this is a great one too season six just keeps

getting better and better yeah well the one I man his though his stuff with David Hyde Pierce in the sexual episode is so great too

but I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get to it but this this is my new favorite episode I love this one and I apologize for none of my comments I regret nothing oh by the way this is Bob Mackey thank you for listening to this ultra long episode This is my new favorite episode. I love this one. And I apologize for none of my comments.

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