Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming

Episode Date: March 21, 2018

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I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody. Welcome to Talking Simpsons, where we face up to the unface-up-to-able. I'm your host, Omni-Directional Sludge pup, Bob Mackie, and this is a chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today? Henry Gilbert, and are you getting a lot of bugs

in your mouth, too? Always. And who else? Esteemed representative of television, Cat Bailey. Oh, we're in trouble now. We're a podcast. Today's episode is

Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming. You still got it, Bob. And he does. You still got it, Bob. Oh, thank you. Today's episode aired on November 26, 1995, and Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real-world history. Oh, my God.

Oh, boy, Bobby. Will Ferrell, Cheryl O'Terry, and Daryl Hammond join the cast of SNL. Toy Story is at the first of its 18 weeks at the top of the box office and Sammy Hagar gets his wish as Bill Clinton signs a law that ends the 55 mile per hour speed limit on highway. We actually talked about this in school. Oh my god.

The highway thing? Yeah, I mean it was in the current events. But more importantly, is this my chance to actually talk about Toy Story? Because I saw that in theaters. I saw it in theaters twice. And that totally blew my mind when it came out oh my god this episode has a toy story connection that it should be super obvious we'll get to it but um i love toy story one i felt some some degree of shame by being really into it at age 13 like should i still should i still like these things yes i guess i was made to feel shame about everything, Kat. I went to Catholic school. I'm so sorry, Bob. Yes. No, I felt, I guess, a certain trepidation about it.

But once I saw the magic flow, I think I was maybe just a little concerned that this would replace 2D animation. And you were right. And I was right. Yeah. But Pixar is not, if only everybody was as good as Pixar. But there were so many bad 2D movies now, like Pinocchio, The Adventure Continues. All the shitty 90s non-blue stuff, like The Pebble and the Penguin.

No, they were all bad. Rock-a-doodle, bad crap like... The funny thing is that DreamWorks, right around this time, I believe, opened up their big animation studio and started making those movies in the late 90s, like Prince of Egypt? Prince of Egypt, The Road to El dorado um some other bible thing lots of kind of big budget but fairly mediocre big budget movies and meanwhile pixar was like no we're here to eat your lunch sorry yes and everyone was amazed and i'll tell you that movie uh as of i don't know five years ago when i watched it still holds up technically what doesn't hold up are some of the textures that were never be never meant to be seen on a blu-ray just like wow that is an awful-ass texture.

It's pixelated. Well, if you watch Toy Stories 2 and the dog shows up the first time, they're clearly like, look at this amazing new tech that we've got. It's like, oh, guys, it doesn't hold up that very well. Get the dog out of here. The first Toy Story tells such a beautiful story that I think it's a tight script. Joss Whedon was involved in it I know and the story though it's something

I've heard some people remark about that like Buzz Lightyear after the first movie doesn't have shit to do in the other two I think that was me on another podcast which podcast was that boy I can't recall because in 2 and 3 they have to so Buzz Lightyear goes through his arc in 1 and then he has nothing else to do in 2 and 3 so in 2 and 3 he is

replaced halfway through by either a different buzz light no it's a different buzz light you're in both cases yeah well no in the second one he's uh he gets his memory erased right in the third one in third memory erase second to different buzz yes that's right so like he has nothing to do he's not really a character after the first movie do you ever you ever watch the bonus features that have the other woody like when woody was meaner in the original script oh god yeah it was so uncomfortable yeah he was serial killer woody i know that he's like he didn't accidentally kill buzz he's like i killed him and i don't care what are you gonna do about it yeah you're gonna do huh that that is like that's not a likable person no so i'm i'm glad woody got to be the like friendly guy everybody believes that no one's

gonna buy the woody murderer doll yes i mean i would have and uh but that era of snl was finally snl was turning the corner in 95 i yeah as an snl viewer i didn't love the frat boy period of uh 95 when like rolling stone or time said basically snl is having its worst season ever saturday night dead yeah 94 95 was a lot of change over a lot of like pinch hitters like mark mckinney chris elliott janine garofalo and michael mckeon but they were still crucifying people like chris farley and things like that and saying well these guys these they're not very good yeah they should have been nicer to chris farley i miss chris farley now but chris farley was seen as kind of a joke back in the mid 90s i mean now people i mean there are lots of people are like oh my god this this incredible physical comedian this guy

is all amazing he owns the screen but people saw him as a lesser like john belushi frankly i think if he survived he'd be a great character actor now like a super great character i think he would have won an oscar by this point or at least been nominated. I've got Oscars on the brain. The guy was amazingly talented, but he had some real demons. It was sad. Yeah.

So when Will Ferrell appeared, like people didn't love him immediately. Nobody was like, great, it's a Will Ferrell show. I still don't like Will Ferrell. Sorry. Oh no. I loved him.

But he found his niche and he overdid it. He was the greatest SNL person. I'm like, oh, come on. Get out of here. Sorry. I mean, Phil Hartman and Bill Murray would go ahead of him for greatest SNL person, I'm like, oh, come on, get out of here. I'm sorry. I mean, Phil Hartman and Bill Murray would go ahead of him for me. I mean, to be fair, he only has one character he plays.

Yeah. Sherry Oteri is underrated as one. Though Molly Shannon is my favorite lady of that era. Molly Shannon is just so nice. I think I had a crush on her. The ultimate Molly Shannon character to me is her in wet hot american summer the woman is like i just got broken up and everybody's like comforting her she's just so good at being funny but depressed and speaking of funny depressed daryl hammond was there going through

some stuff if you've read daryl oh boy yeah i don't want to steal jokes from comedy bang bang that is trump's preferred impersonation of him is dary Daryl Hammond. He's like, get that Alec Baldwin off the stage. I agree. He's better than Baldwin. I don't know. Anthony Atomic is my favorite. I couldn't pronounce his name. That's the name I was searching for.

He does the best. He's the guy in the President's Show, if you have no idea. Oh, God, yes. President's Show is amazing. Yeah. But I guess enough about that. Yes. So this episode has two new people writing and directing.

So first we have Dominic Polcino. This is his first episode as director. It's a very challenging episode. Lots of planes, lots of action, lots of new locations. Every second there's a new location. You do not give Bob episodes normally to a first timer. Like this is a big thing to give this guy. Yeah.

So from The Simpsons, he stayed for a while. He went on to King of the Hill, directing a lot of great episodes, including one of my favorites on Henry's two pretty, pretty dresses. My all-time favorite, King of the Hill, I think. And then he went to Family Guy, but I guess he needed work. And then he's now in Rick and Morty. He works on Rick and Morty now. He was a prolific Family Guy director. He directed the first two Star Wars ones.

He did the Blue Harvest and whatever the second one was called. I don't fucking know. What show is this? Look, those Family Guy Star Wars episodes are actually not bad. I will say that. There are some bits I'm like, ha ha, very funny. But instead of saying, don't be cocky, don't be penis-y, didn't love that line. Also, yeah, he did Rick and Morty, including I think my favorite of those is that he directed is The Ricks Must Be Crazy, which is the one where they go into the pocket universe he created where Stephen Colbert is there as the rival Rick.

You know, I'm noticing in most great episodes of Rick and Morty, it's about Rick fighting a version of himself that he hates. That is true. That is true. So the writer of this episode is a freelance writer, Spike Ferriston, who is actually a very prolific comedy writer. His career started at the Berklee College of Music, not Berklee, California, but I believe Berklee, Massachusetts. Yeah. That's where it takes place. Where all the pinkos are.

Yes. He loved David Letterman and he got kicked out of Berklee by dropping light bulbs out of his nine story dorm because he saw it on David Letterman. So he's like, I should just be in comedy. So he went on to start as a production assistant on SNL and he got he became a writer by feeding Dennis Miller weekend update jokes. So he was a PA in the mid the mid 80s. Yeah. And then he went on to write for Space Ghost Coast to Coast, The Late Show with David Letterman

and The Dana Carvey Show. But in 1996, he joined Seinfeld and wrote a ton, a ton of like super great Seinfelds like The Soup Nazi, The Muffin Tops, The Reverse People. Up until the end of Seinfeld, he was writing for them. wrote a ton a ton of like super great seinfelds like the soup nazi the muffin tops the reverse people uh up until the end of seinfeld he was writing for them yeah he wrote the second to last episode the band for a time puerto rican day yes episode banned for questionable reasons it's like you weren't supposed to think kramer was cool for stomping out the fire the flag that was on fire it was a classic seinfeld mix them up He didn't mean to burn the Puerto Rican flag. It was an accident. He loved Puerto Rico. Still won't. I loved

on that show. In that episode had one of the many appearances of the bullying gay couple. Oh, you're right. Did you just do that? They wanted Kramer to wear the ribbon like years before. The AIDS ribbon or whatever. But the Soup Nazi is a classic episode. And

Muffin Tie. This just sent me down a rabbit hole of memories of Seinfeld. But the Soup Nazi is a classic episode and Muffin Time. This just sent me down a rabbit hole of memories of Seinfeld. But the episode of Space Ghost he wrote is so good. I don't know if you guys seen it. It is one of the rare 30-minute Space Ghost episodes. It is a beat-for-beat parody of David Letterman, specifically the CBS David Letterman. This guy loves David Letterman so much that he fucking worked for him eventually, so it makes perfect sense. They have a joke.

To the extent that over the credits they're saying, oh, this wasn't a great episode, what's the backup episode we have? They're like, an interview with Terry Garr, and it's like, that was always Letterman's backup guest. Terry Garr, wow, I forgot about that. Al Roker was it for Conan, but it was was it was terry gar usually for for dave i think conan would just have writers come on as characters it's like nobody wants to be on this 12 30 show starring no one letterman would do that too uh ferriston in an interview even said

this episode isn't really his like he was early in his career writing half hours and it was rewritten hugely which oakley on the commentary says it was an arduous rewrite it's one of the the hardest episodes for them to write in their years they said but i wouldn't have handed a bob episode to a new guy too it's just i really like this bob episode but of the original six bob episodes is actually my least favorite i'm gonna agree with you i think it actually i was thinking about shrek a little bit because as we know shrek the original shrek came together ultimately but it was a very joke by committee kind of thing where people were just walking in dropping in jokes and the joke writing is kind of like all over the place in terms of style and that kind of thing so my i felt it felt a little

disjointed to me i mean the the script ultimately is actually pretty tight it's super dense like i usually spend a lot of time just watching and taking notes i think with this episode i spent three hours with it and there's not even that many references they're just like so much is packed into 22 minutes i wouldn't even say dense i i would say overstuffed yes there's a different word for that overstuffed i like this episode so one last spike ferriston thing he loves talk shows he hosted his own talk show from 2006 to 2009 talk show with spike ferriston it was fox's longest running late own talk show from 2006 to 2009. Really? Talk show with Spike Ferriston. It was Fox's longest running late night talk show, beating five fabulous weeks of the Chevy Chase Show. And Joan Rivers.

And Joan Rivers, too. I think, was that a late night show? Yeah. Yeah. It was why she was totally out with Johnny Carson. That's right. Because he betrayed her. Yes. He betrayed her by not doing everything he said.

Or she betrayed him. Yeah. This woman dared to have her own show. How dare she? But I watched clips of it. It seems like very Daily Show-ish with sketches. He seems entertaining. I don't know what he's up to now, but it's amazing that he went from emulating Letterman

to having his own talk show on Fox for three years. I like that he went from dropping light bulbs from a nine-story window to like, I'm going to go into comedy. Next thing you know, he's writing Seinfeld. From light crimes to comedy so yeah i think this episode feels overstuffed in the way that it almost feels the term i learned when we watched who shot mr burns part two is that they 10 percented it meaning they sped it up by 10 that's how it feels a few times in this episode like for example when bob says verbally down by affidavit later time permitting I'm just like that's so fast

like slow it down and also his voice is high pitch throughout some of this episode so it could be covering up a lot of speed ups and also there's so many ideas of like look I think you can parody Full Metal Jacket or Doctor Strange Love but to try to do them in the same episode is real

busy I love this episode but you're right I wish it was just a dr strangelove parody or just a full metal jacket parody they're kind of all over the place bill oakley said on the commentary he wanted this to be a satire of all of the cold war paranoia films but i think there is a lot going on that they can't stick with what works yeah i mean it does get the cold war paranoia well it does pull that off but with a distinct 90s flair yes when the the idea of an army having a war was funny because that would never happen nope so we got a war tomorrow yes that was a joke

once the idea of america going to war in a day so this episode's title i didn't know until now is based on the 1977 film twilight's last gleaming out of all of the things they're parodying they chose the least known movie to go with the title it could have been dr strange bob or bob safe or whatever yeah why dr strange bob is a great name for this episode i will take all the credit for that so this movie i have the trailer we can play in a second here but the plot is a renegade usa of general escapes from a military prison and takes over an icbm silo near montana and threatens to provoke world war iii So very similar to Bob breaking out of jail and getting access to the bomb. But it goes in many different places. Those renegade generals, I tell Zia.

They have maybe too much power, perhaps. I say keep an eye on them. But we have part of the trailer that will explain the plot even more. We have taken control of Silo III. We have full launch control. General Doe is an exceptional officer. Nobody in the air force know our equipment better you mean to tell me a renegade general's got his finger on the button of a titan missile it's a small nuclear device gentlemen we're on our superpower then he's running out gentlemen Somebody better come up with a solution. I must talk to the president.

Mr. President, there are several demands. Ten million dollars in small denomination. Transportation to a country of our choice. And to make certain we arrive safely, a hostage. Who do you have in mind? You, Mr. President. Record scratch. This summer.

Yeah, so that's the movie also directed by robert aldrich like secretly made all my favorite movies like whatever happened to baby jane kiss me deadly and the dirty dozen i feel like i need to watch this movie because he is up there with kubrick that wow that's impressive i didn't know that the president was played by the same actor was the villain in the muppet movie it was also an evening shade and he was patrio daniels no wait a different guy no no i mean the 1979 muppet movie or 78 uh he was also on evening shade and um oh brother where are thou he was papio daniels the the flower king but god damn what was that actor's name whatever it doesn't matter but i you know i'm interested to see that now too just to see a a taut 1970s thriller of all of of doughy men in suits talking on phones about like

well what are we supposed to do mr president i'm there for the craggy men so i have a movie for you most movies in the 1960s that's true yes yeah that those that was the only people who got to star in shows that are starring movies at that time time. I guess, well, you want to get into the episode, though? That's right, we're talking about a Simpsons episode today. It's a very solemn intro with Krusty here that then goes straight into Double Dare? At the finish line, a scrumptious parfait of pudding, pickle brine, and detergent where a writhing pile of kids will grope blindly for hot dogs! Krusty, please.

It burns. Just think, Lise. That's our pickle brine burning Sideshow Mel. That Sideshow Mel thinks he's so big. Whatever happened to Sideshow Bob? Don't you remember, Dad? He framed Krusty. He tried to kill Aunt Selma.

He rigged an election. And he tried to murder meselma he rigged an election and he tried to murder me oh yeah but what i'll mainly remember is the laughter that's not as good as oh yeah sideshow bob yeah but that's built in every bob episode up to a point has that flashback scene in it he'd been busy by this point he did a lot at this point yeah they they had to really speed up this uh recapping of his events otherwise like they're just like we can't keep showing all these bob clips over and over again but homer in a very mr burns way has to not remember i was thinking of burns yeah it's a very burns-esque thing that for this all this to work homer cannot remember uh but this intro of

uh crusty one it's a great parody of double dare like this is in double dare you dig stuff out of noses it was all like the uh the slapstickles course is also like it's gonna be sloppy for mr show yeah uh but i also love there's a lot of little animation touches i like especially when crusty says blurp like he kind of like does a scoop motion with his hands as he says that he could just be standing still. He's very excited to abuse Sideshow Mel on this part. Yes, yeah. The description of pickle brine pudding detergent in hot dogs.

Like it makes me ill right now. Grow blindly for hot dogs. Yes, and they are blind because they're being blinded by it being in their eyes. That's way more edgy than Tide Pods. I mean, this was the 90s when people were getting slimed and having to go through all kinds of gross crap and whipped cream everywhere or shaving cream. There's been a real slime drought lately. I've not been slimed in years. Nick Sting back then.

Yeah, I mean, they still do it on the Nick Awards. Every once a year, I'll see some famous person who showed up get slimed, like The Rock or Tina Fey or something. There's a lot of greatest hits in this, and that opening on crusty abusing sideshow mal like instead of having monkeys attack him that's right it's a lot more specific like and in some episodes like and then monkeys attack sideshow mal i was like no no we have to describe each thing that is doing horrible things to him including spoiled eggy bern That's right, and it's introduced as a canned food drive, but then quickly revealed to be a slobsicle course. To waste food.

Wasting food. And then all Lisa and Bart did was send in pickle brine. But it was their pickle brine that was burning him. They can feel certain investment in that. Then we cut to Bob, right where we left him at the end of Sideshow Bob Roberts in his minimum security prison. westminster abby edward the confessor himself could not

have done better now to set the clocks to greenwich meantime my dear abby Oh, must you bray night and day at that infernal television. Oh, look who's talking. Yeah, Bob. You used to be on this show. Don't remind me. My foolish capering destroyed more young minds than syphilis and pinball combined. Oh, how I loathe that box that's omnidirectional sludge pump droning and burping look here that's enough now i own 60 of that network all right break it up boys it's time

for work detail i suppose you don't like tabloid newspapers either yes rupert murdoch should be in jail but isn't no he's gonna die a very rich man yeah he likes that joke too yeah no i gotta give it to rupert when first they made fun of him here and that they they say on the commentary that fox was worried he would be mad about that and he personally approved it and then they'd even do a meaner well actually not meaner but another version of this joke for their big super bowl special doesn't he call himself a billion uh billionaire tyrant yeah rupin murdoch billionaire tyrant and now he doesn't even own the simpsons anymore he just sold it to disney no did you guys catch the cal arts reference on bob yeah that's consistent though right uh throughout all of his appearances uh before i know in black

widower he was two four six oh the production code for that episode. No, actually, it's a Les Mis reference. That is the prisoner number that Jean Valjean is known by. Some prisoner has a production code number on his thing. That is true, and it might be in other Bob episodes, but in Black Widower, it was 24601. But on his jumpsuit is A113 the Cal the famous Cal Arts classroom where all the artists who made all your favorite cartoons including

Toy Story yeah Brad Bird I think Tim Burton even was in that classroom yeah I think Lasseter at least appreciates it I don't know if he was in the room though we don't talk about him no we don't but that's the first of what it's going to be like a dozen ultra flowery Bob speeches which I absolutely love in this episode they go so over the top with him i think they just fell in love with like oh

how many more monologues can be right it's like no bob show has been this monologue heavy with bob bob has turned up to 11 on this one he's back down to like nine or eight in the next bob appearance i just it's like it's like pure it's almost like burns is like omnidirectional sludge pump at this point kelsey grammar had frazier right oh yeah oh yeah they really turn it up to 11 and frazier as well because he's always with niles so i wonder if they're just in that kind of mindset yeah that's true you know he's living frazier all the time on his own show maybe he's like well i gotta turn this up even more to be bob i bet just having frazier on made them more inspired you know just like oh man we can write frazier dialogue and you know back in the day they really enjoyed, you know, just like, oh, man, we can write Frasier dialogue. And, you know, back in the day, they really enjoyed writing, you know, Mr. Burns dialogue because it was that kind of old timey dialogue.

I'm sure that the writers are having a great time just writing this extremely hoity toity. Fancy pants. Well, they're all Harvard jerks, of course. Except for the writer of this episode is not, but he was heavily rewritten by Harvard jerks. We're not letting this guy without a college degree write a Simpsonsons episode he's a freelancer that's as far as he goes okay so listeners who are not british edward the confessor was the anglo-saxon king under which westminster abbey was built so that is why he couldn't have done it better himself and dear abby is an advice column and also a very cheap joke in this episode my dear dear Abby. Yeah, it's a little cornball. So he changes it.

I just got it. This was the first time in this viewing when I got like, oh, it's a Dear Abby reference. I get it now. When he changes the clock to Greenwich Mean Time, by the way, it goes from 9 to 6, meaning that it was either where his time zone is either plus 3 or minus 9, which is nowhere in America. So I think somebody should get fired over that blunder. And yeah,

his monologuing, it is, it is so Burns-y. It really, in a couple ones, they really sound like Burns. I love it though. And I love just how they make him gesticulate,

especially when he's talking about Rocky, like a hurricane. Yes. Kind of Rube. Well, we'll get to that. But the, I also do think that Wiggum,

not Bart, not Lisa or Krusty, Wiggum is the perfect foil for Bob because he is the stupidest person ever who doesn't care about anything. And just all the Wiggum and Bob scenes are just beautiful, including this one. I renew my objection to this pointless endeavor. Informally now and by affidavit later. Time permitting. Shut your word hole. We gotta get this place clean for the air show.

Air show? Buzz cut alabamians spewing colored smoke from their whiz jets to the strains of rock you like a hurricane? What kind of country fried rube is still impressed by that? Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah.

I want to meet the first female stealth bomber pilot. During the Gulf War, she destroyed 70 mosques, and her name is Lisa, too. I want to see some birds get sucked into the engines. Rare ones. This year, I'm making earplugs out of biscuit dough. They're ready. So that's one of three times in this episode where Marge has a late, deflated reaction. It happens two more times, and they're ready so that's one of three times this episode where march has a late deflated reaction it happens two more times and they're all great i love lisa despite her politics just being on

board with another person named lisa doing cool like stealth bomber things she's a lady who's flying a stealth bomber that's cool blowing up mosques yeah that the idea of blowing up mosques is even less funny now than it was in 95 she's a hawk she can run for president one day that's true yeah that's true i yeah i mean liberals are hawks that's that is some of the imperial feminism that i'm not the biggest fan of it's a it's a term i learned from an older boy but from a smarter person than me but it was well just this idea of like feminism is a good thing but when it's like well yeah it's feminism means we uh it's all women who are in charge of we destroy the world now like yeah we get to blow up things like feminism for me would at least

intersect with like i'd also like us to blow up fewer things as a country that would be nice so march's reaction to going to this air show so recently i went to the opener for an mls soccer game and i had a great time but my friend brought his significant other and she'd not have a good time and i felt bad for her and so i was thinking of her a lot when marge was having a real bad time with the air show yeah that's i think we've all been in situations where you're a group of people going and at least one person is not happy to be there sometimes it's even you who's the person who's not happy to be well we're having we're sitting around we're talking about sports and having a good time and everything she's like i'm so bored and it is cold and it is loud in here and why am i here

marge's unhappiness especially like struck a chord for me because i definitely made my mom take me to many things she did not care for how many wrestling events did she make her go to only like four only so when we lived in atlanta that's when they were all like local so she'd take me to a few and i thought she liked at the time the one she hated was we never went to an air show but we did go to a monster truck show which by the way i love that image of the monster truck airplane driving over things not even flying just driving with giant tires but maybe i've told this story before on here, but when we went to the Monster Truck Show, Bigfoot was preceded by two hours of drag races. That's how it always happens.

It's like two hours of boring, non-exciting bullshit. But they're loud, right? I mean, come on. They're loud. That's the secret word. Yes, it was very loud, too. My mom has told me she got tinnitus from going to one of those. Yeah, Marge is seriously having some physical problems during this event i do feel bad for her and so it makes me feel bad

by association with my mom uh making her go to events like especially for like nobody liked going to the monster truck show it was killing all of our ears before we thought about like get some earplugs just bring earplugs with you uh though i have been to an air show have any of you guys been to an air show no uh so the air show i went to as a kid was in arkansas and it was one of the ones of like uh see the blue angels i got i actually got a blue angels plus bo jackson poster which i happily that is the most 90s thing ever is that another sport he played i don't i don't understand i mean he was just ready to advertise the military industrial complex.

That's it. That's cool. Well, my dad was in the military. Oh. And he was stationed at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota. And that's where he met my mom. Wow. And so I went to visit my parents' family at one point.

And we ended up going to an air show. And because Minot Air Force Base is where all the nuke all the bomber wings take off to go nuke russia but no they had a i don't remember the air show very well myself because i remember i recall being pretty young but i mean probably the simpsons is pretty accurate like playing lots of annoying music you get to watch the planes fly around i mean here in san francisco they have fleet, and so the Blue Angels are always flying overhead. You do hear that in SF. Yeah, my air show memories are very light.

I remember getting, because I was brought there not by my parents, but it was one of those, like, sleepover, and then the next, on Sunday morning, you're going to go to something. But fortunately, it was an air show, not church. But sorry, churchgoers. Actually, there's some people upset by how negative to religion we were in the Bart Sells. If be negative it should be me yeah you were scarred the most by it but what i do remember is the night before i watched the spider-man live action tv movie as uh we rented it i was like well this is live action spider-man it must be great and it was very boring was it better than the air show uh we went and saw Rocketeer. I remember this now. And we were going to go see Rocketeer.

I was like, I'm going to go to Rocketeer. I want to go see Rocketeer. And my dad was like, why don't we go see Terminator 2 instead? And I was like, Dad, you can't do that. Mom would be mad. It's the movie event of a lifetime. One more thing about the air show, though. It was advertised as being on Saturday

November 25th this episode aired on Sunday November 26th they knew They knew or they edited it in very late I mean it was just a still image they could have Just redrawn it but it was It's a cute touch like this is the first time I noticed that too The Simpsons will be right back. When you really care about someone, you shout it from the mountaintops.

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ad-free if you're a subscriber on Patreon.com slash Talking Simpsons. Hey, this is Sideshow Luke Perry. You're listening to Talking Simpsons on Lazer Time. We get more of Bob. When I say Bob has turned up to 11, he turns into Dr. Doom in this episode.

He's never, this is the cartoonish super villainy. When you have access to a nuke, it does sort of heighten up your personality a bit. Yeah, if I had access to nukes, you just better watch out. But this is what puts him over the edge. So weird. Grandma, this is my friend, Craig.

Friend? You mean you two aren't knocking boots? Ever do the backseat mambo, Craigie? I know that voice. TV's bottomless chum bucket has claimed Vanessa Redgrave. Now I'm gonna haul ass to Lollapalooza. Yee-haw! Farewell, dear Vanessa. Second shot at Fox in this episode alone.

They are going hard on Fox in this one. That's like the platonic ideal of a Fox sitcom in 1995. So much bad TV in the mid-90s. I'm sorry. Yeah. Sassy grandparent. You should be sorry. Yeah. I mean, yeah, we remember. You should be sorry. Kat, apologize to the decade right now. I'm an esteemed representative of

television, but I mean, we always remember the good stuff, but I was thinking back to like, oh, the mid-90s it had a lot of awful, awful TV that I hated. I can understand why Bob was like, wanted to abolish it at that point. Yeah. At the same time, though, the anxiety over TV is a very 1990s idea.

And I think like in this episode we're making today, Bob would be like, smartphones, they're ruining society. Social media. Yeah. Children are watching YouTube. How dare they? Well, even when he says, well, let's revive the art of conversation. Yes.

I mean, that's a very – Scrimshaw. That's this thing now oh yeah yeah it's like i go to uh i used to go to a cafe until they got rid of the wi-fi they put up a sign that says no there's no wi-fi have a conversation pretends 1995 i'm like i'm here to fucking work yeah i don't want to start a conversation i'll confess i've sounded like bob at times i've just been like social media is ruining everything. Destroy it all. Burn it all down. I didn't think I'd be a happier person without social

media in my life. Not me. I need it. Well, I need it, but it's like I'm scratching an itch until I bleed every time I read it, but it also helps me in a way, too. Like, yeah, sorry. This episode, I noticed though, it oddly has like three act breaks when most episodes don't. Yeah.

And I don't know if that's because they want to go right from the the the smash joke at the end to the credits or what but this is one of three act breaks there's normally two that's true i hadn't missed i had missed that in this viewing because there's not actual commercials on it but that 90s sitcom was so like there were a million sassy grandparents on every 90s sitcom the when i see them now when i see sassy old people in movies now i'm like or tv shows just think this was hacking 20 years ago why are you still doing this the mid 90s had generic workplace comedies it had shows with names like men behaving badly i mean it was bad well in the mid 2000s there were shows like that too just like finally man men are so oppressed they need to be free there was the attempt to make a bosom buddies for the 2000s

oh no which was about where men couldn't get hired as men so they had to dress as women to get jobs affirmative action because they said there was a man session going on it's like no there wasn't well circa the mid 90s so i was watching babylon 5 and the reason that show jumped out at me was simply because it was serialized and was it did not forget what had happened the previous episode i was like this is so advanced and an incredible form of storytelling this is amazing as a person who now wishes he had the time to watch every tv show i do kind of miss the vast wasteland of bad television because then i really did only need to follow like 12 shows to know the good shows yeah but then you had to watch them when they aired yeah it's true yeah it wasn't

on demand i by the way vanessa redgrave i will say the looking at her IMDb page, the closest thing to Fox besmirching her was that she had an arc on Nip Tuck, the FX series. That's a pretty randy show, right? Quite a randy show, yeah. I remember one episode arc. Rosie O'Donnell was on there as a very mean, old, straight lady. She coerced sex out of one of the guys on the show, if I believe. That show was like like all shows by that series creator it was an insane tell who was the guy is it the hannibal person

no not the hannibal person though the guy does american horror stories ryan okay some other is let's haul ass to lollapalooza reference to anything it's a reference to lollapalooza it's a cool thing for somebody to say like it's uh you say it's rattled around in my brain for years now it's well it's kind of like the rapping granny of just like your granny wouldn't go to Lollapalooza that's for young people who like alternative music and then she would then say haul ass it makes it even even more if she was on a motorcycle yes yeah so but so Lollapalooza and Hullabalooza both exist in the Simpsons world oh Oh, you're right. That's true. But yeah, this season ends with Homer hauling ass to Lollapalooza.

He does that. Hullabalooza. Oh, so very, very different. It's a totally different concert. And then we also get a gag about how little you pay prisoners, which is true. It's not five cents an hour but so the example i looked up here was last year 2017 there were those very horrible near here sonoma wildfires which in the bay area we only had to just deal with sooty air for a long time that sucked uh but lots like my mom lived in santa

rosa at the time many of her friends lost homes the people working on the wildfire included you know regular firefighters but also prisoners doing firefighting they averaged a dollar an hour to fight fires like that's terrifying kind of slavery there's also flood relief by prisoners in houston that's becoming much more of a thing again well i mean chain gang yeah i'm wondering if it's a conspiracy that uh more laws are being written to basically get slave labor for corporations and the government uh because like prisoners now like they fucking make victoria's secret clothing and things like that it's not just license plates it's like they're doing things for corporations well bob that would only work if our justice system

was putting people in jail wrongly and over sentencing them i believe it's a no it's a pure meritocracy if you're guilty they know the only all those people deserve to be paid a dollar because they're definitely guilty and we're not uh treated poorly by the justice system i sincerely believe this this is just like sweet seymour skinner's badass song this has some real disrespect for the military which is dated more than anything like it just kind of like isn't the military useless now like what are they doing that's kind of the commentary in this episode. It's just kind of like, isn't the military useless now? Like, what are they doing? That's kind of the commentary in this and Sweet Seymour.

Oh, but you know what? It's funny you mentioned Hannibal. Hey, where is Sideshow Bob and that guy who eats people and takes their faces? I'm right here, Chief. Oh, then where's Sideshow Bob? He ran off. Oh, great. Well, if anyone asks, I beat him to death, okay?

Right. That's a good way. It's also a good way to address, like, why did Wiggum not go after Bob? Like, Wiggum disappears after this. So the guy who kills and eats people and eats their faces is in minimum security resort prison? Yep. He could have been, like, a white-collar face-stealer or face-eater. Is it stealer or eater?

He kills people and eats kills people and no with a nice people and takes their faces yeah because hannibal lecter takes the guy's face in the movie he kills critic co-star charles napier and steals steals his face and then walks out uh yeah that and i just love his cheer he's like i'm right here chief he's very chipper yes yeah that's how that's how he eats people's faces well that's how he ended up in minimum security resort prison he was too well he was white and friendly so like well we can't put you in real jail come on no i so then they're getting a tour of all the stuff which will of all the military stuff that will mostly come back as plot points later in it and i really love the line dollar intensive ordinance delivery vector.

I like Marge being enchanted by the idea of five tires. Just like the crocodile at Uncle Moe's Family Feedbag. Those remind me of very Peggy Hill moments of like, she couldn't believe it. Like five tires? This was the first time I caught that the alcohol-free duff joke is meant to establish the duff blimp is there and will be a location later they do a lot of work with setting up just sort of the logistics of where things are and what's happening in different places which honestly they don't need to do because it happens so fast it barely registers like you're not thinking oh that's a duff blimp i'll remember that we didn't need a jokey scene with homer i mean it's funny but um i mean it's not necessary i'm sure they were talking about

in the meetings like well it's mostly set on the air force base and like you know they're going the kids are in there and various things are happening so we better like set things up really well so that people can follow it and it is a return of the duff blimp last seen in uh lisa the beauty queen i think i'm sure it's been another episode they've had to build a new duff blimp because barney crashed that one that's right somehow survived he's fine oh the humanity anyway and excuse me but homer drinks six beers that are six dollars a piece and then he is charged 48 for it maybe the guy was drunk he was charging him for eight beers like that i expect better math from a writing staff that is david on it. That's true. He was asleep with the switch.

He wasn't asleep. He was drunk. I have a problem. I have to say more Simpsons live. We all have a problem. That's why we're doing this. And then we get a great Milhouse scene. This is more family strife of Milhouse. It is setting up the next season's Milhouse Divided for sure.

Take that, mom. Take that, dad. this millhouse divided for sure take that mom take that dad send me to a psychiatrist will you take that dr sally waxler when you see him land in the next scene he's dead he's a dead there's no parachute yeah my favorite gag in the entire episode sally waxler Do you want to give that line of the episode, guys? Let's do it. Let's do it. That's the joke. I think personally for me, a Bob line might overwrite this, but I love take that Dr. Sally Waxler. It's so specific.

The specificity is why it works. Oakley and Weinstein love a good name. And Sally Waxler sounds like a woman who committed herself to child therapy. Like, that's who she is. And goddamn, just see that he flies off. And yeah, he's not in the chair anymore. There's no parachute. A body falls into that snack bar.

It's a good physical comedy. I'm always down for somebody flying off into the air and falling again. I like to think that Milhouse is stunt double climbing the seats. Only when he gets hurt. We also see the dark inner life of Milhouse, which it's really dark, apparently. Yeah, why is he so angry? I mean, clearly his parents are fighting all the time, and I think he's expressing that. Well, if it were 2018, he'd be on Reddit and Nazi subreddits.

Yeah, he is a little wiener kid. They need to write an episode where Milhouse falls into Gamergate as well. A colonel had to. So then we get our introduction to Happablap, which I do love that he's introduced by saying, just not words. So this name, if you read the, and I wouldn't read this because it's not that great, The Uncensored Oral History of the Simpsons. They talk about this is one of the jokes that kept them in the writer's room until 3 in the morning.

Naming this colonel kept them there until like 3 a.m. Yeah. It was a very, very hardworking staff. It was. And that was what Mike Scully would not do on his time there. They took pride in leaving at 5 some days. So Arlie Irby, don't have to play the death jingle here. He is still with us at least at the time of recording.

Knock on wood. He was a real-life drill instructor in the 60s and would go in the late 70s he would become an actor he would take the gi bill and go to school in manila actually and then become an actor in the 70s he would appear in such stuff as apocalypse now before hitting it big time as a drill instructor in stanley kubrick's full metal jacket and he eventually went on like in this episode to basically play a comedic version of his character and he's doing in toy story he's yeah at the same time as we're watching this he's doing it in toy story he is typecast in this forever that he's always playing a military strong man of some type or against type in that of like it wouldn't be

funny to hear arlie ermy's voice come out of like this uh unicorn or some shit yeah that's that's great writing guys every every line in this i think is written with the intention like it would be amazing to hear him say this it would corpse you up yes yeah it's all beautiful i i mean i love full metal jacket it's it's a great film i i don't know about how you guys feel about it i've seen the second half of it uh which it's a phenomenal movie so the non-arly ermie half yeah no i missed all of the most iconic bits yeah no one remembers when they go to vietnam like yeah yeah as far i mean it's still like very watchable once they're beautifully shot uh interesting to follow but of course all the iconic bits are happening when they're in

in camp but and i've seen i've seen clips from it and it's very creepy especially uh when uh the what's his name shoots pile private pile private panoprio yeah yeah well yeah that's it it hurts the movie in people's memory that in the middle of the movie they kill off the two most interesting characters they both just die together boy i haven't seen in like 15 years i really need to rewatch it it's great and arlie earmy is a big part of that when i read about how kubrick worked with him it is the most anti-kubrick story ever because stanley kubrick was famous for torturing actors making him do exactly what he said and making him do 800 takes including like scatman carothers was tortured by kubrick he's like it's time for a fun stanley kubrick movie please don't make me

say this line again haven't you got it but meanwhile he said that arlie ermy said that he got to improvise because the reason he got the job was he told kubrick like this isn't what a this isn't what a marine drill instructor says. I was one. I'll just do it. And so they let him improvise a lot of those lines about mostly that involve slurs. I mean, he was hired to consult another actor to tell him how to be a drill sergeant. And then they realized, like, oh, no, he's better at this than the guy we hired to act.

Yeah. And also that Kubrick said he only did only did like two or three takes with him which is like that's amazing to think because there are some incredible tracking shots of him just like walk walk walk but i mean he must have like he has military like precision in it i would say i'm gonna be honest i think kubrick was afraid of him that could be he could push around an actor but not like a like a jet like a genuine military tough guy. That's true. Would you want him yelling at you? No, not exactly.

I mean, I would just cry if he was screaming at me after I just had my head shaved and I was drafted into Vietnam. In terms of realism, it kind of reminds me of what they did with United Flight 91, where they got the actual person who is the air traffic controller on that day to come in and basically reprise his role in the movie. Clint Eastwood's new movie just did that. It was the story of, you remember that story about the Americans in France who stopped the terrorist on the train? So he made a movie about that, and he just cast the two guys who did that as themselves. I wonder if he was still doing one take with those guys i wonder sorry probably i was gonna say is that that movie is a really good example to basically be like bow down before the military in terms of uh the

difference between this episode where they're making fun of it and being like oh the military is kind of useless versus now where it's like bow down before the military yeah well this is all this pre-911 stuff that just is like boy this i mean this is before endless war just became the reality we're all used to i hate yeah we were at the end of history it's like okay no more war everything's gonna be great from now on and we figured it all out uh and i last thing i wanted to say about arlie ermy as an actor is my favorite lazy use of him and there's been a lot of them, but my favorite is in the third X-Men film, X3, X-Men United, which directed by sex offender Brett Ratner.

And in it- I don't recall this movie. It's the third one where- What are you talking about? Everybody gets called- Okay, yeah, it didn't happen. It got erased by Wolverine going back in time and saving Bolivar Trask. But in another universe,

there's a bit in the film where they have to establish that they are going to be, that the army now has plastic guns that they are going to be shooting at Magneto, thus he cannot stop their bullets. And in the most obvious choice ever, like, well, we need this exposition

over guys picking up plastic guns. Who's going to say it? Just Arlie Ermey. He is not on screen. He was not a character in the film. It is just Arlie Ermey's voice over it saying, like, pick up your plastic guns. You know what that means? No metal.

Magneto can't do it. Now get to work, soldier. I was like, this is so crazy. You probably recorded over the phone, I'm guessing. I would bet. I would bet. All right. But anyway, let's hear

some of arlie ermie right here versus sideshow who would have ever thought there would be a cartoon show where kelsey grammar would share a scene with arlie ermie what in the world according to garp those are my dress towels who's in my private washroom let McGucket, let me in. The door already is closed. What? This is Colonel Leslie Hep, Hep-a-blep. If you don't open that door, I'll tear you up like a Kleenex at a snot party. You say you're in the military?

Tweet and no-la-gay, son. I'm gonna come in there and corpse you up. Corpse you up and mail you to mama. Well, where'd he go? Got my knuckles all lined up for nothing. Sorry, ladies.

I love how they just replaced all of what would be a slur or a curse word with a bizarre reference to something. Like, what in the world according to Garp? That's true. He would have just said the F word and then called somebody another F word. and i'm sure he's a fuck you up not corpse you up oh yeah that's true yeah but i him him kissing all three of his knuckles and calling them ladies yes sorry and bob's reply of like door already is closed this scene reminds me of an adventure game puzzle like you have to figure out how another person talks so you can impersonate them later. Bob is very clever here. He is.

Bringing that clown college experience out there. Where did he go to school to learn how to become an entertainer? Well, he went to Yale. All right. I didn't stop calling it clown college. Well, he calls the school Niles went to. Princeton. Cecil.

Princeton, yes. Yes. But yeah, this is him using all of his skills as an actor to do it, which makes it work even better. It's less out of color. And he crams himself in the garbage can. That's true. More physical comedy. Yeah, just like how he shrunk down to say, like, he's selling your future short, and

then scrunches down in Bob Roberts. I was wondering how he's able to do that, but they set it up earlier in the last season. He can sort of contort himself. He's a contortionist. He's actually good at everything Krusty can't do. But then he has the white cartoon eyes, the glowing cartoon eyes inside the garbage can. Every character has those on The Simpsons, though. The second the lights go off or even if it's dimmed slightly.

It is a funny image of just two circly eyes inside the garbage can. And then they cackle. We've seen that a million times in cartoons. I've never seen or read The World According to Garp. Is there anybody else here seen it? Nope. I read the book. That was Leonardo DiCaprio, right?

Wait, I thought the movie... Wait, I thought Robin Williams starred in the movie. It is, yeah. From the 80s. I got to say, if you're a white liberal college student in your 20s, it's a good book. Just like a lot of John Evering books. So it's about... Does a man from the middle class have ennui?

Yes, exactly. Oh, man. And will an affair get him to stop having ennui? Exactly. Actually, I believe... I fucking knew it. No, it's not that, Pat, but I believe his wife has an affair.

Oh, okay. This character is such a self-insert. I believe it's an English professor or something like that. It's like, and his wife's mistress or what do you call a man your wife is cheating on you with? A mister?

A mister, I guess. His wife's mister gets in a car accident and he's castrated or his dick and balls are cut off. And I'm like, okay, that's great. Good. I guess he's really mad at that adulterer. I guess.

This is before people had the outlet of fan fiction online. They wrote these novels. But I believe the movie was noted as the first sensitive portrayal of a trans person played by John Lithgow. Huh. Yep. That's interesting.

Maybe I will check it out then. I got to say, there's been better grandpa ramblings when talking about the Wright Brothers playing. Yes. It doesn't mathematically make sense. He wouldn't say Civil War. That's the thing. He would not have thought that happened at the Civil War.

He's losing his mind. But I got to say, more non-tedious reference information. This is the Model B 100 or Made 100 or Made, three word in existence as of 2007. Wow, okay, so that's not exactly the Wright Brothers play, or it's a

Wright Brothers play, not the only one. Right, and the thing about piecing together history from sugar packets, I've always wondered what that joke meant. Yeah. So I looked it up, and the meaning of the joke is just like matchbooks sugar packets used to have like little biographical information on them about the place you're in or the city you're in or the town you're in i assume just like the natural like molding together of every corporation has stamped that out like the individualization of you know matchbooks and sugar packets wow i had no idea

that's so uh at least cereal boxes still give kids information yeah but not in my lifetime and i never saw i would see things on matchbooks like this hotel was built in 1908 and blah blah blah never on a sugar packet and did you notice bart not only do they set up the wright brothers plane which will be used in the last act bart is wearing a backpack in just about every shot just to set up one joke about his backpack exploding it's kind of inconsistent actually it is inconsistent but it's in more shots than it's not in i loved hearing dominic palcino groan every saw that plane about having to draw that plane moving oh my god yeah what a like i really gotta give it to dominic there's there's a reason he ascended to being one of the top animators of his on television for a time.

It's because he was able to handle being thrown all this shit on his first directing job. It was a great trial by fire. Yeah. We've heard Bob versus Happablap, but now it's time to hear Bob as Happablap. Authorization code? Code! Son, this is Colonel Happablap. That fool McGugget sprayed runway foam all over Chuck Yeager's Acura.

Now get down there with the Sammy Triple Time. But Colonel, I'm under strict orders. Sweet Enola Gayson, get moving or I'll tear you up like a Kleenex at a... Snot party. Sir, right away, sir. They get a lot of stuff out of Bob's big feet in this one, too. They do. I love Bob just being repulsed by what he has to say. It's not party.

It's important to my plan, but I just don't want to say it. The idea of a snot party does disgust me. Chuck Yeager's Acura? Yeah, Chuck Yeager's Acura, which Chuck Yeager, in case you don't know, is the test pilot who broke the speed of sound barrier on October 14th, 1947. And I believe in weird early Sonic the sonic the hedgehog lore chuck yeager is secretly the creator of sonic the hedgehog what and like so sega when they created sonic the hedgehog they re they rewrote his lore like 19 times oh yeah that's a lot in that console wars

book yes it's actually that's where i got it from so one of the times sonic was a creation of the pilot who broke the sound barrier so and i brought that up during the podcast and someone was like chuck yeager and i'm like, Chuck Yeager. And I'm like, I guess like Chuck Yeager created Sonic the Hedgehog in this weird non-canon that Sega made. If only you'd remembered that he's Acura, you would remember. Oh, yeah, that Chuck Yeager, the Acura owner. Is a car. Has anyone driven an Acura?

Yeah, my dad had an Acura. We were a Honda family and an upper middle class honda family as well so we had had an accord and he was thinking of getting another accord but then like you know the acura is the fancier model up from that it goes well back then it went uh it went civic accord acura so he went up to the acura and now i think he just drives like a jeep or something i think he's finally quit the the honda lifestyle my dad but i don't talk to when you really care about someone you shouted from the mountaintops so on behalf of desjardins insurance i'm standing 20 000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you home and auto insurance personalized to your needs, I don't remember saying that part.

Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care. Did I mention that we care? I like hearing this. It's good that you can hear the guard side of things so you know it's a little garbled, how he is fooled by Bob. I never thought of that. Bob doesn't have a perfect version of it.

That's very clever. I never thought of that, Bob doesn't have a perfect version of it. That's very clever. I never thought of that, that he's getting like, you know, interference. The explanations are there if you want to find it, but they're just so fucking fast. You can't catch them. Then we get to see that Homer thinks that cigarettes are the equivalent of aspirin.

Yes. Yeah, and this is the bit that made me just like ache inside seeing my mom. I felt like I was seeing my mom suffer ear damage damage there i'm just trying to match bob's mom sadness from the last episode you'll never beat me mostly i was thinking of my girlfriend at that point oh does she oh yeah she is i've traded her to my share of sporting events and she's a good sport about it but it's pretty rough i would be just a huge bitch yeah all the time so i don't go to those if i brought you to a wrestling show i think you'd be pretty i think i'd have fun at wrestling yeah you you missed out on a wrestling show

we did a local one it was fun i read on facebook this is a very good if if insulting comparison but someone said um wrestling is just anime for rednecks oh yeah and i'm like that makes perfect sense no it totally is superhero stuff yeah recent guest star dan reichert is coming to that realization now because he never watched anime and now he started the with jeff gershman the very good podcast all systems goku where they are watching every episode of dragon ball z kai in order and every time they come to realization like oh this is like in wrestling when this character. Like, oh, this is like in wrestling. I was like, exactly. So I'll take that back.

Anime is wrestling for sons of the soil. I don't want to be offensive. God, that was a good one. That was a good one, man. And then we get Bob stealing his nuke. And his laughing is a great sequel to the laughter scene from Bob Roberts with it being interrupted with his near doom. He almost killed everybody. The tiniest nuke ever, I gotta say.

It's very cute. It's about the size of a Davy Crockett. It is very retro. He made a good choice for display purposes. That thing is like a tactical nuke, like the kind that you would shoot off the end of a bazooka. Yeah, I will say they have some explanations why bob's like theater training could help him in bits but he must have been a theater tech and the greatest theater tech of all time to pull off a lot of the technical things he does in this episode i will

say that uh also in speaking of technical mess ups when i recorded this way back when and when i was 13 my vhs i messed up the beginning of the unpause from pausing the commercials. So I never heard the flightless bird speech. I missed it for the longest time. Henry, with each of these stories, I'm just like you were playing with fire. I know. You were playing with fire at any commercials. You can't do that.

I want to go back in time and tell little Henry, just leave them in. You'll want to see them in the future. Well, yes. Yeah, they'll be cool in the future. 20 years later they would have been cool but for but for the five years after i recorded it i wanted it to just play with no commercials and having to fast forward it that was my still use those tapes today i i i've got to find those man those tapes are probably gone i think i probably said i these have sentimental value to me mom but they've decrated yeah i mean how would i even watch them i'd first need to get a vhs player and uh yeah i uh but did somebody say box kites

to slip the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of god to fly the dream of man and flightless bird alike and now hold on tight as we blast through the thrilling highlights of aviation history say did somebody say box kites everybody groans another great line yeah you know Martin totally volunteered for that

he's so happy to tell the world about box kites very excited that was the fifth dimensions up up and away and I believe

I thought they this sounds like a very white band but they're all black performers I'm pretty sure really yeah check out the clip

oh yes I thought they were, this sounds like a very white band, but they're all black performers, I'm pretty sure. Really? Yeah, check out the clip. Oh, yes. They're not white, right? Not all of them, or I think, yeah, actually, none of them are. This is, like, very bad quality video, but, yeah, no, they're African American. This sounds like Starland Vocal Band. They suck. They suck, no, they're African-American. It sounds like Starland Vocal Band. They suck. They suck, man. Yeah, they just,

they sound like boring white brand people, but they are not. I guess, can we please shut this off? Okay. I guess that was easy.

I was loving it. That was an easy way to get on the radio. Henry, you're messed up. I guess sounding white was an easy way to get on the radio before civil rights happened.

Yeah, I can see why. The less black you sound, the more likely you'll be on the radio. We will not hire a white person to re-perform this. They're safer in that way. Well, I am Martin. I like cornball.

Bad music. And box kites. And box kites. Actually, I do not like box kites. Regular kites for me. Up, Up and Away would later be sung by Homer, but about motorboats that's right season nine's lisa the skeptic beautiful motorboat he was real jerk ass in that scene there i would say

you get random shots of bob throughout that and so it's a mini mystery about where he is i still couldn't hear it but in they say he's whistling we'll meet again the end theme to dr strange oh he is i i just can't tune it i i'm being i i had trouble hearing it in his song and i mean that's one of my favorite endings of all time i love that ending so much that when i did the last regular episode of cape crisis my old comic book podcast i ended on just the full we'll meet again it's the biggest like gut punch of an ending that leaves you like laughing at this the horrible destruction of everything the world is over it's a mind fewer i can walk bam cut to the song yes dr strange love is such a watchable movie in general it's my favorite i

think it's actually my favorite i think it might be my favorite kubrick film just in general you get a lot out of it by re-watching it i'll say that like every time i re-watch i'm like oh man like i didn't realize this part or that part like i the first time i watched it i didn't know peter sellers was playing three people yeah i did not know he was is it three people yeah it was three yeah he was he was the president he was strange love and he was the guy with the french the british officer who was staying uh who was at the compound where they had launched it and yeah it's just an amazing the movie works because it's satirical it has a lot of darkly comic and yeah it's just an amazing the movie works because satirical it has a lot of darkly comic movies but it's also serious there is drama going on

people are sweating out the world is ending the world is going to end such a broad comic line but i love the gentlemen gentlemen this is a war room and they're fighting i love uh you'll see the big map all right yeah i mean also i, I love how cynical it is. Ultimately, the message is we are all monkeys and we should not have access to these kind of things. We are all too stupid and self-involved to do things well with these weapons. Yeah, and even as the end of the world is coming, they're like, well, we got to set aside a bomb of our own. The nukes, in 100 years, the Russians will have them. And, sir, we cannot allow a mineshaft gap.

It's just beautiful. Yeah, George T. Scott, like, one of the best performances in a movie. George T. Scott's like, he's going completely over the top, thinking that he was just, you know, separate takes. This is the one for fun. And he's like, I'm going to use it. Yes. And it was funny in 63 to see, like, watch it in 63 after just experiencing the cuban missile crisis

like what is that even like i i first saw it uh i believe in like 2000 i saw it on a plane in 2015 wow man well now nuclear fears are back in the live again i watched in the mid 2000s like well no one's gonna nuke us i can fear terrorism and no one's gonna nuke us now you know i also love that they had slim pickings and they were just like do your thing whatever like he thought it was a serious war movie like now it's time to blow up and it was released just two months after jfk was shot yes while we changed the ending for the better jfk's death actually improved the movie because if you see in the beginning, now it's the talking Strangelove. But if you see early on when they enter the war room, there's a big spread of food to eat there, including a bunch of pies. And it would end in a giant pie fight in the war room.

That's right. I think there's footage of that that exists, right? Yeah. So there is a line, though. The president is hit with a pie. And the joke is that the president has been assassinated by a pie. And they're like, no shit. No, can't do this joke two months after the president is dead.

Let's edit this. Yeah. And that's why instead they end with, I fear I can rock. That's so great. Much better. I think I did a good strange love impersonation. Don't you guys? I thought that was pretty good.

I didn't even go for it. I'm fishing for compliments here. This is why he keeps bringing me on the podcast, so I can compliment him. Thank you. What about my Yoda? Is my Yoda impression good too? Anyway, the speaker shooting for Marge's hair too. That is beautiful.

Yeah, blowing a perfect hole in her head. Then we get a quick Need for Speed reference which that is top gun you know also propaganda which i wonder i wonder though too if arlie ernie a marine was mad at playing an air force guy because there's one thing i knew i was friends one of my best friends in high school went into the navy and that's when i found out about how every branch of the military does not like the other branch and want to talk about how they're the bestest. The thing he would talk about is how the Navy has more planes than the Air Force. Like, if you want to be a pilot, you join the Navy, not the Air Force. Makes sense.

Yeah. And so I wonder if Ernie felt the same way as a Marine, a hardcore Marine, how he felt playing an Air Force. Certainly. I bet he was. I'm sure he was happy to take their money i wouldn't i would love to ask him if like were you more mad to play in a homosexual in a movie than you were at a reinforcement when did that happen arlie earmy and saving silverman played a uh gay guy well that was the joke at the end so saving silverman starred apple pie dude jason biggs biggs for big leah he's he is being tortured by a mean girlfriend who's mean and bad and a bad girlfriend and that that is played by amanda pete is like

queen b word and his two best friends are trying to save him from this evil girlfriend and they recruit arlie erbie who was their gym teacher, to help them murder her. And so they kidnap her and intend to murder her. Cool. And then she plays. Fortunately, that doesn't happen. And then she actually falls in love with Steve Zahn's character and they get together. And then meanwhile, she plays mind games with Jack Black to make him realize he's gay. And then Jack Black tells Arlie Irby at the end, like, well, actually, I'm gay now.

He's like, me too. Learned it in prison. Want to get married? And then they get married. For a minute, I thought this was the You're the Man Now gay now. He's like, me too. Learned it in prison. Want to get married? And then they get married. For a minute, I thought this was the You're the Man Now dog movie. That's actually Finding Forrester. It's another Jaron name movie. Jaron in someone's name.

Yeah. And alliterative, too. Saving Silverman, Finding Forrester. Finding Forrester, yeah. I don't know which I'd rather. I'd rather watch Saving Silverman. About chasing Amy. Anyway.

One of the many failed attempts to launch Jason Biggs into stardom. I mean, there was that movie Loser. Oh, yeah. That's where the song Teenage Dirtbag came from. And Mira Sorvino's even... Mina Suvari. Mina Suvari. You're fired, Henry.

My brain is not... I'm sorry, guys. I gotta tell you, Teenage Dirtbag is a really fun song to sing at karaoke. Really fun. But I feel dirty after singing it because it has the worst message ever. Just like, I'm just a loser. But the girl I secretly like is actually as cool as me. She's a dirtbag just like you and likes bad things.

Also, her boyfriend brings a gun to school, which like that's not, they kind of skip by it. Like, he brings a gun to school. I prefer the radio edit where he brings a record scratch to school. He brings a vroom to school. That fixes it. I like that Bob's rocky like a hurricane prediction comes true they do indeed play the scorpions rocky like a hurricane which uh which is better than rocky like a herman cane stadium rock a stadium rock staple in the mid 90s like that's made them

millionaires just like a one-hit wonder band that just did a song about rocking you like a hurricane it's like well we're set for life now. I associate all of these crappy stadium rock songs with local car dealerships. They would play these over their ads for new cars, especially like, Anywhere you want it. Every commercial break, especially during The Simpsons, would start with that. So when it showed up on The Simpsons, I'm like, no, please. Not the commercial.

Oh, wait a minute. In the early 2000s, it was, who let the dogs out? Oh, yes. Not the commercial. Oh, wait a minute. In the early 2000s, it was Who Let the Dogs Out? Oh, yes. Yeah. Then the mid-2000s, it became American Idiot. Don't want to be an American. That was in every trailer. Every comedy trailer was a guy would say something stupid like, don't want to be an American

idiot. Get it? Get it. Oh, you know, speaking of sporting events, Kat, I know when I go to sporting events, I often let Tyrannovision decide what I'm going to see. Do you watch this play on the field or do you enjoy looking at the big screen? Is that Jumbotron? Is that the real name? That's a Jumbotron, yeah.

Well, the one time that I actually had to watch the Tyrannovision, as it were, was when I was in marching band and we went down to the sideline in a vikings game we were right there and it was pretty cool but at the same time i could not see anything that was happening on the other side of the field so i had to literally look up and watch the game on the jumbotron for the majority of it until the very very end when the vikings scored the winning touchdown they were right in front of me i was like oh yay and i'm jumping up and down you can see me on the highlights but i had the exact opposite story where my mom is a nurse and she got free tickets from a doctor who couldn't go to this basketball game. They were literally right next to the play zone of the basketball sports arena. It was really fun because I'm like,

I've never been this close to actual basketball players, but also a nine-foot man could crush me at any moment, and I'd be dead. I'd be dead. I'd explode. I mean, courtside seats are very dangerous. How come Jack Nicholson isn't dead? I know.

Well, he looks- Shaquille O'Neal just went- Yeah. He looks like he's nearly there. That's true. If you've seen photos of him in Laker games in the last year, you're like, whoa, wow, Jack. They're just wheeling him out there at this point. You need to push one basketball player on time to end him.

Or, you know, one of my favorite 30 for 30s was about the courtside relationship between Spike Lee and Reggie Miller. Just him, like Spike Lee yelling at Reggie Miller and then inspiring him to do better in a basketball game and win. He's directing basketball players. You know, what I'm going to do, that guy's right. That screaming lunatic's right. I think I am going to get better. I should score points. Let's do it.

Can you believe that Kobe Bryant is an Oscar winner now? No. You didn't see the Oscars then. No, I know that he's an Oscar winner, but what did he win it for? Him and animation legend Glenn Keane did a short film, a short cartoon, which was a tribute to basketball. I didn't know Kobe Bryant made it until the nominees came up. And it like kobe bryant glenn keen i was like what and then in a minute it's like no oscar winner kobe bryant he just walks down there with glenn keen the man who animated ariel the mermaid's hair so beautifully bob makes his threats known hello springfield sorry to

divert your attention from all the big noises and shiny things but something's been troubling me lately television wouldn't our lives be so much richer if television were done away with what surely he's not talking about vh1 we could revive the lost arts of conversation and scrimshaw. Thus I submit to you, we abolish television permanently. Go back to Massachusetts, Pico. Oh, and one more thing. I've stolen a nuclear weapon.

If you do not rid this city of television within two hours, I will detonate it. Farewell. By the way, I'm aware of the irony of appearing on TV in order to decate it. Farewell. By the way, I'm aware of the irony of appearing on TV in order to decry it, so don't bother pointing that out. I love that line. I think of that line all the time when you criticize something about the government or about inequality, and then someone will be like, you posted that with your iPhone. Yeah, it's like, I'm aware. You're on a fascist state. You're allowed to protest, idiot. I'm sure they were thinking of the pedantic nerds on

Simpsons news groups. Or the pedantic nerds that the writers are, too. I know you're going to say this, so shut up. How can you criticize society and also exist in it at the same time? You just can't. Better not criticize it, or you better build an entire society on your own that's

perfect before you can criticize any other society. I recommend all of our viewers to pause on Mo going, what? Because it is the ugliest Mo. Sorry, Kat. It's only like three frames. And by the way, Homer really hates Massachusetts. Yeah, you know, that Massachusetts line, that was how it used to be, but I think now it's San Francisco. I do.

I think that it's like, go back to San Francisco, commie. Massachusetts is pretty dang liberal still. It is. I think maybe, yeah. It's weird because we're more of a libertopian community now than liberal. Well, I just saw this yesterday because I tweeted out this story about how it is six times more expensive to rent a u-haul to leave san francisco than it is to rent one to come to san francisco it's just like the radioactive episode there's a leaving town tax exactly but that's that's because so many people are leaving san francisco apparently

and i saw one woman who was like look you're a nice old lady on twitter i shouldn't say a mean reply to you but i will say it here anonymously. Yes. Her reply was just like, this is what happens in socialist San Francisco with all your illegals running around and your gays. I was like, all right, this is what the pinko go back to Massachusetts line is now. Especially San Francisco is known as like, it's getting known with the Fox News folks as the sanctuary city where illegal immigrants murder you every day. That's what it is.

Meanwhile, we live in Berkeley where Antifa murders us every day. It's really hard. I will say we all have worked in games or do work in games. I was murdered three times on the way over here. I know. I can't believe you bounced back at it. But having worked in games, when people don't like what you say, they will say, oh, you're of touch bay area elitist it's just like you know how much games journalists are paid they all live with like nine roommates they are correct i am an out of touch bay area elitist you're swirling

brandy in your penthouse being like the witcher is not liberal enough i gotta say like all those people leaving san francisco see ya it's gonna lower housing costs it's great hope it lowers the cost of sandwiches i I know, man. Even at the Ike's is great, but it's a $16 sandwich, man. But then when we go to the ones in San Francisco, like we had a $20 sandwich. It was a good sandwich, but $20. We ate $80 pizzas. This is local humor.

All right. I love that Dr. Hibbert enjoys VH1. That's very Hibbert-y. Weren't they making fun of VH1 before? Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, they're making fun of it here, too. Oh, Hibbert was vh1 that's that's very making fun of vh1 oh yeah well i mean they're making fun of it here too oh hibbert was i don't know i remember the simpsons making fun of vh1 but maybe i'm singing comedy central vh1 is a joke they made fun of comedy central but uh when the in the cable stealing episode homer is pointing out like you know the kids will get v mtv and we'll get vh1 for us at this time vh1 was like the least offensive program it was like easy listening like we're soft rock soon it will be behind the music yeah now i don't know what it is it's like reruns of night rider and game shows i don't know whatever's on tv which i don't think

anybody watches yeah somebody's watching it but not me baby my parents yeah yeah i guess my mom still whenever i go man i tell you having to watch the screen smoothing tech every time i go home i'm just like please i i never want to i fixed it once and then it just went back to screen smoothing so i was like fine enjoy your screen smoothing hellhole i very elitist i love the animation on the hysteria of the bomb too like the way lisa's yelling like like mom you stepped on my shoes we'll always get new shoes I mean I would be like that too if somebody said

I don't know it's weird I have a lot of bad dreams about nukes going off and that kind of thing I'm sorry it's a recurring nightmare I suppose and I suppose that if somebody told me there's a nuclear bomb going off in two hours right where I am I would be like bye i am

out of here i would leave everything i don't need new shoes you get new shoes what i mean if you're gonna but just assume you're gonna be in a man max if you survive you're in a man max style hellscape you're gonna wish you had shoes then you'll need those shoes if not to eat you know i think the living would envy the dead i agree i love that line so then we get the we head down to the bunker which i gotta say the the cutaway earth thing of just like it's a bunker with food in it it's not my favorite joke it's just like i don't know they could have come up with a funnier thing there's not a great like what's happening in the earth joke i think what is it just like graves or no no it's a bunker full of food oh that's the joke

yeah that is the joke i guess the joke is the joke. I guess the joke is like it was never used because there was never a scare. I guess, yeah, it went spoiled. If we can rewind just a bit, the pimply-faced teen telling everybody the stamp there, that was totally my dad. Oh, yeah. My dad was in the Air Force. He was an MP. He would have been the

person giving the tickets to the people who were taking the tickets. How many medals did he get for that, Ken? At least two. So, yes, then we head down to the war room, which is exactly Strangelove, and then we get a Full Metal Jacket actor in a Dr. Strangelove scene talking about everybody's favorite cat.

Our city will not negotiate with terrorists. Is there a city nearby that will no need sir we'll find that head case faster than garfield finds lasagna oh sorry my my wife thought that was gangbusters the phrase gangbusters in case you want to know is a reference to an old radio show uh that was extremely popular when it was on. And the expression was, this will go over like gangbusters. Like, this will be very popular and successful. Oh, it'll be as popular. It's the hotcakes of the radio.

Exactly. I see. It replaced hotcakes. I don't know what the new thing is. Spidget spinners? It'll spin like spidget spinners. I was a big Garfield fan. So just hearing Garfield ever brought up when I was 13, I was like, yeah, Garfield.

He's got catitude. And they weren't making fun of him. No, I guess the joke is, why would anybody bring up Garfield? Why would a tough military man who famously in Full Metal Jacket says you look like you could suck a golf ball through a vacuum cleaner would then instead say Garfield? It is great. They're replacing all of his surly, salty language with these bizarre expressions. And this is the first time I ever noticed that Frank is Strangelove in the scene. He has no lines, but he's drawn as Strangelove.

I've seen this like 50 times. I was waiting for Frank to have a Strangelove line. Still, it's like he's kind of wasted. What if it was Jerry Lewis playing Dr. Strangelove in those scenes? That is like a hat on a hat on a hat. I wouldn't like the movie. I was bothered that of all the last people

they could do on the Oscar-winning memoriam they ended with Jerry Lewis. I was like, come on. They snubbed a lot of people but they always do. They always do.

I mean, then we get some quick cutaways of searching the place. We get to see that Abe apparently went into the toilet in what he thought was the elevator.

Second joke this season of him thinking a thing is a toilet or is not a toilet. So the tool shed was a toilet, but the toilet was an elevator. Yeah, he has like toilet blindness, I'd say. And I want to say he made the awful mess because he seems awfully sheepish about it. That he was fined to shit in the bottom of an elevator.

This is where the shrek joke thing starts coming in we're like yeah let's we we need a gag right here uh grandpa gets stuck in the in the in the outhouse i do enjoy the the odd grandpa cutaway though that's true and the alien with the probe also feels very much like a shrek joke very shrek or it was making me think of family guy as well. Not a bad joke. And that alien was in Hangar 18, a reference to the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, where people think alien shit is being stored. Whoa. I didn't know that.

For the one second you see the name of the hangar, they picked the right name of the hangar. I love that. Pretty obvious joke, though. Oh, the alien probe joke in the mid-90s. Yes, a probe. Yes. There is a Great Kids in the Hall sketch about that that where they find out one in ten people like it. Yeah, all we've learned is that one in ten people like it.

I love that joke. Maybe we do something other than randomly probe people. Then we get Bart and Lisa's interactions on the base as the last non-personnel there. And they basically become the Hardy Boys at that point, which I really like. It's just like a time to solve mysteries together when it's

really bart hanging around as lisa at this point they've solved enough mysteries that they just know how it goes lisa does all the work and bart's there for comic relief we're pretty close to marge even pointing out like you foiled sideshow bob a lot of times you're pretty smart kids then we get this next scene with uh some adult magazines which i gotta say freeze framing i'm like these artists really enjoy drawing this uh yeah porno porno porno bob is not here we have searched every square inch of this base and all we have found is porno porno porno we have only 20 minutes left send in the esteemed representatives of television hey hey now this is my kind of meeting gentlemen it's time we face up to the unface up to a bull we must sacrifice television in order to save the lives of our townspeople whoa whoa ho ho let's not go nuts would it really

be worth living in a world without television? I think the survivors would envy the dead. Krusty is the consummate showman. It's beautiful. So let's explain that one scene first there. That was specifically Buck Turgidson acting there on Krusty, like straight out of Dr. Strangelove. This is the scene in particular, which is one of my favorite comedy scenes like ever.

We are rapidly approaching a moment of truth, both for ourselves as human beings and for the life of our nation. Now, truth is not always a pleasant thing. But it is necessary now to make a choice to choose between two admittedly regrettable, but nevertheless distinguishable post-war environments. One where you got 20 million people killed and the other where you got 150 million people killed. You're talking about mass murder, General, not war. Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair must, but I do say no more than 10 to 20 million killed, tops, depending on the breaks.

He's slapping his hand on the table, too, like Krusty, right? Slapping his hand on the table. Same with, like, Krusty also steeples his fingers together on top of the table too in the same stance uh though when he says the living would envy the dead it's actually the president who says that at the end of strangely you're right that's not turgenson well in any case i'm glad we did not see the cover of granny fanny which is a very different interpretation in the uk i know that i wonder if that joke is like it's an extra laugh in the uk gets censored i don't know it's much filthier yes as for the survivors envying the dead i believe that is a quote that would be attributed to nikita

khrushchev actually oh really man i was just looking it up it was nikita khrushchev i think on futurama that line was used to explain what it's like to be a head in a jar. I envy the dead. I envy the dead. I thought it's appropriate, though, given that this is a Cold War paranoia type thing. Oh, totally. I admissed that there was a Doctor Who reference in this show. I noticed it for the first time. Because obviously I did not watch Doctor Who in the 90s.

So I'm like, oh, fourth Doctor. And then I thought, you know, I bet more people now would recognize the Fourth Doctor than Urkel. Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah, totally. Yeah, that was a very, it's kind of like not a great Urkel caricature. No. It's like Urkel if he was 10 years older, but put on weight instead of getting buff.

Yeah, this is the time of the show where he was like, like Carrot Top, I go out in public and I'm Urkel and everyone shits on me. I'm going to get strong. And then Urkel is also strong on the show where he was like like carrot top i go out in public and i'm urkel and everyone shits on me i'm gonna get strong and then urkel's also strong on the show yes which is weird i think that's why you play different characters like this this strong urkel is weird we need to make him bruce lee or something like that oscar winner jordan peele did one the greatest it with the key oh yes one of the greatest explanations of what's wrong with family matters and that steve urkel took over every episode my favorite was

the description of an episode where everybody turns invisible except for steven and then my voice i get zapped with a ray that turns my voice into steve urkel's voice the comic artist kc green was live watching a lot of late family matters like cbs era family matters and they were insane like they're on a pirate ship i don't know why it is just carl and steve they invent time travel they invent teleportation they can do anything in late family matters so they decide that they're going to give up television and everybody signs off and as my final newscast draws to a close i'm reminded of a few of the events that brought me closer to you the collapse of the soviet union premium ice cream price wars, dogs that were mistakenly issued major credit cards, and others who weren't so lucky.

And so, farewell. And don't forget to look for my new column in PC World Magazine. Muchas gracias, amigos, por todas las memorias. Y super gracias a Goya. Success! They're giving in! Blast! I should have made more demands.

Some decent local marmalade for one. Oh, well, next time. Ah! Now my extender glove! Oh, they haven't made those since the war. Oh, not my Paris backdrop backdrop how am i gonna make fun of the frogs that's great dogs who were mistakenly ordered uh credit cards would be a next season idea i know that was them brainstorming it live that would turn into season eight's canine mutiny when santos l helper would get his own credit card and pc world was a real magazine

i mean we've got a... Well, you didn't work for PC World, Kat, but you did work in the same building as them. I worked in the same building, the floor below them. Oh, you're right. Okay, so they were part of the GamePro dynasty. It was because of PC World that GamePro died. IDG, yes.

One had to be sacrificed for the other. No, it wasn't that. Some stupid consultant came in and basically said, you know what you should do? you should close the video game magazine and put all the money toward PC World and Mac World. And then it turned out that they actually shut down their best performing property. That bought them like two years, right? So 2013 is when they shut down.

That consultant was fired. Fucking consultants, man. They're the worst. When you really care about someone, you from the mountaintops so on behalf of desjardins insurance i'm standing 20 000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part. Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care.

Did I mention that we care? Paid millions of dollars to fuck up everything. And when they shut us down, we had had our highest traffic number in like several years. Wow, man. Well, they really made a good move there. Good times.

PC World stopped being a magazine in 2013 still is a website which i believe even all the game pro uh web pages just go to pc world now like they are there's not even a game pro.com anymore no game pro is long gone and so is all my articles written over the course of that year i love when they do that thanks ziff davis Davis. It's always very nice. Ziff Davis, IDG, Future US, they're all wonderful publishers. But PC World, well, so who remembers PC World? Everybody remembers the rating system in GamePro and all the crazy names. Nobody remembers PC World.

It was one of, I swear, like 50 PC magazines, all very generic looking. That would be in the computer section at Barnes & Noble. Yeah. Well, the writers of the show were very into PC World because they were making jokes about they were collecting the photographs of large-bodied PC magazine writers. Something with computers. Computers. Yes.

And also Goya. I got to say, I buy a lot of Goya merchandise. I start Goya food products. And I always think of this scene when I'm grabbing the can.'t i feed some goya beans to your birdie you did yeah louis gets nothing but the best of goya years later kemp brockman would i believe go applying for a job at a blogging like type thing like a buzzfeed type office and it's so weird because kemp brockman has that late 80s newsman look to his design and he's standing in a very mid-2010s kind of buzzfeed type office and it makes you realize how long the simpsons had

been on the air at that point well according to the last episode he was a broadcaster in 1969 so he's been around the block a few times when he was kenny brocklestein and we get to see that much like marge's hair hom Homer's hands are easily fixable. In between scenes, he had torn them to ribbons very badly. I love it when Homer's trying to help. Yeah, it was a great visual joke. You pan down from the barbed wire

to Marge bandaging his hands. It just tells the story. That is a great gag. That is a good gag. Did your parents ever tell you be sure to wear clean underwear? You don't want to be hit by a car and not be wearing your clean underwear and things like that? I think they were just

telling me that for groinal health. Yes. Yeah. I don't think I ever got the... I feel like if I ever was told put on clean underwear, my mom did it in an ironic way of like, well, moms in the 50s would say this, so I'll say this. And then South Park taught us you shit your pants when you die, so it doesn't matter. Yeah, you're going to mess up your underwear all the

same if you get hit by a car, mom. This struck me as another time-filling joke where they were just like, oh, God, we need another gag. Marge is fretting about clean underwear. I don't know. I love the line, unfurnished basement. It's so much better than going commando. I agree. I wish that was the term, unfurnished.

I wish every time somebody says I'm going commando today, they mean unfurnished basement. In this next line here, I always heard it as calvinator, not calvinator. You don't know what a calvinator is? No, I never. My family never owned one. Well, that's because they existed in the 1920s. I read a lot of old books. You know what really frosts my calvinator?

That fruit cup's probably still lapping at us from his damn hidey hole. I'd rather take an order from Bill Clinton than hear that guy's snooty, high-toned voice again, sir. High-toned voice? Bart, that's it. I know where Sideshow Bob is hiding.

When Bob broadcast that message, his voice was higher than normal. And what makes your voice high? Tight-binding underwear. Helium! Psycho Bob is in a duff limb! Bart is still against underwear, even in this moment. Tight-binding underwear?

Yeah, the Kelvinator thing, it's like, it was one of the, I think it was the first automatic electric refrigerators. Before you would have an icebox that would have a giant block of ice that would be delivered to you after men did an antarctic expedition to get it to you when i think of ice deliveries i think of singing bird characters and old looney tunes that's right i just think of ice delivery man from the looney tunes of the 30s but i think if the calvinator had been the dominant brand that's what we call a refrigerator like you know you call a xerox machine and a band-aid and a kleenex we love our brands in america we really do uh so kat uh i didn't know until this recording that you were the child of a military man is so this joke about taking an order from bill clinton is it a joke i'm curious if it is a joke about just that people in the military usually swing more right than left and wouldn't want to

take bill clinton was a draft dodger oh. And it was well known that among the military for that reason. And this was back when being a draft dodger was a definingly a definite bad thing. And this was before George W. Bush and Donald Trump. We've had a lot of draft dodgers. It was before Republicans were draft dodgers. I mean, I don't understand. Why would you not want to go to Vietnam? It seems awesome.

I would totally sign up if it was still happening. But, you know, Bill Clinton was notably not pro-military. And he was in the process of shutting down all the bases at this time. So, of course, the military hated his guts because he was, unlike Ronald Reagan, pouring all of the money into the military. That's what Ronald Reagan had been doing. So that's why the military hated him. Yeah, it was so silly of him to try to pay a few trillion dollars less.

I mean, Reagan had a Cold War to feed the military-industrial complex. Clinton did not have that. Well, I don't want to go too deep into this, less. I mean, Reagan had a Cold War to feed the military industrial complex. Clinton did not have that. Well, I don't want to go too deep into this, but, I mean, Bill Clinton comes in right after the Cold War ends. Soviet Union had just collapsed, and he was like, oh, I don't need all these bases anymore.

I mean, we can start scaling it back. This is great. Russia's our friend now. The military didn't like that so much. I mean, you are costing people their jobs, I suppose. Oh, of course. I mean, as we've seen in the military didn't like that so much. I mean, you are costing people their jobs, I suppose. Oh, of course. I mean, as we've seen in the military industrial complex,

like whole towns will be devoted to producing things for tanks. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then the congressman will be like, oh, well, we need to take care of this town, and so I'm just going to make sure that they get the spending bill. And it's all one big circle. I mean, if the congressman wants to stay elected, he needs to keep businesses in the town, that includes the military serving his constituents also also

bill clinton was uh the don't ask don't tell guy as well he's not about purging homosexuals he showed up in washington dc and the first thing he does is go to the military and say so i'm going to end the ban on gays in the military and the military is like no you're not and he was like oh god okay and bill clinton apparently was just never very comfortable being around the military like he just uh and it was reflected in uh the west wing uh with president bartlett like that was a big plot point was president bartlett is as a professor from the northeast is like i don't know what to do with these military guys okay that was bill clinton i like that bob's ability to get rid of helium he can chase off helium from his voice just wave it away it would have been really annoying if he was stuck in that helium voice whenever he was in the blimp i know they really only do it for like four uh like 20 words maybe

tops just for you know plot purposes and the crust, even in the face of nuclear annihilation, cannot stop entertaining. All Springfield trembles before the might of Sideshow Bob. Blasted helium. Shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo. Ha ha, that's better. Great delivery. Gone too.

Fabulous. Marvelous. This is the emergency broadcast system Stand by for an urgent bulletin Hey, hey! Krusty the Clown is back on the air Eight, no, no, twelve hours a day The only game in town

Krusty? But how? Coming at you live from the Civil Defense Jack In the remote alkali flats of the Springfield Badlands. I'll be beaming out 11 watts of wackiness hour after hour of unscripted, unrehearsed comedy featuring, you know, Professor Gascan and former President Ike Eisenhower. Let's get busy. Beautiful. That just shows you the last time that thing was used.

Yes. The most recent president in there is Ike Eisenhower. And that the crusty has to say where it is so Bob can go there later. Yeah. Going back to the helium voice thing reminded me of the movie Up, which I liked to a point when the evil dog character is revealed, it's revealed that he speaks with a high voice because his little voice box is messed up. But then they keep it like that for the entire movie.

I'm like, I don't want to hear him talk like this anymore. It's annoying. It's like it was funny for one joke, but they just kept it for the entire movie. The joke happened. Set it back. Up is a great 10-minute short. No. Yeah.

I also like that Krusty's impersonation of Ike is Arsenio Hall. That's right. Let's get busy. Let's get busy. And what Krusty is basically doing is a webcam YouTube show. That's what he is. That's totally true. Circa mid-1995.

Krusty is vlogging now. It is. He has just one stationary camera and he's just like, I like this stuff. If it were 2018, he'd have a Patreon. He would.

Krusty can't get in our Patreon money there. The first tier is the Stinging and Battery Show. So Bob has seen that even this couldn't stop it, and he's ready to nuke the whole town. Oh, my utopia lies in ruins. How naive of me to think a mere atom bomb could fell the chattering cyclops. Well, at least I'll have my revenge. Bob, no!

Don't you see? That would be taking the easy way out. I agree. Great act break. You end the act with seemingly the nuclear destruction of all of springfield that was in the commercial too yeah the whole i agree scene and it's like what the fuck is this episode even about yeah what's gonna happen this is where they start like making fun of television cliches right because i mean saying that would be taking that would be taking the easy way out yes yes they're kind of subverting it a little bit. I love that.

There's a scene like that in a later Batman the Animated Series show where Catwoman is holding some guy, preventing a real bad guy from falling to his death. And she's about to let him go. And then Batgirl says to her like, no, you'll be just as bad as him if you do that. She's like, oh, grow up and drops the guy. The guy ends up surviving, though. So they get to have their cake and eat it too but yeah that's such that's such a great moment like it'd be the easy way out i agree boom just like done he's not there to debate he's there to blow shit up and the next i like that though yeah it is great bob

was ready to die totally he was like i failed yeah crusty cla Krusty is never going away. This guy's going to haunt me forever, even though I have a nuke. Screw this. Y'all got to die now. And it's a very Kubrick-y sound going on underneath there when he's about to press the button. The kind of like string pulley. Pizzicato strings. Pizzicato.

So the next act opens with a reference to two things. The first thing would be zooming in on all the people And freezing That's from the end of Fail Safe When Henry Fonda nukes New York or whatever As like something he has to do to save the rest of the world That's the end of that movie Because they blow up Russia And he has to be like well we'll nuke ourselves

If you won't nuke everything else And that's how the movie ends There's a line about you'll hear a phone melting On the other end because it blows up and then they do that that was a joke then on an episode of c-lab for a reference i don't think any kid watching c-lab got you're right about that but in that case a telephone did spontaneously combust and people thought it was a nuke so are we going to talk about failsafe yes yes oh yeah we already did i don't think there's much i don't think there's much else to add except that it's the less good strange love i think believe uh released in the same year based on a very similar book i believe the book was red alerts

yes yeah yeah i mean i i described the the whole plot to a friend of mine on the train ride over here where it was basically like yes uh planes uh bombers accidentally get scrambled uh to fly over and bomb russia and they can't recall them because of all the different fail-safes that are involved and eventually the russians make a deal with the americans where they will nuke new york to prevent nuclear holocaust my friend looked at me and said that's a ridiculous premise and i was like yeah you're right i think that if that actually happened america would basically go screw this just launch everything guess we'll blow up everything that is in america never nuke america on purpose actually i know we will get corrections about this so fail safe is based on the book fail safe i believe strange love was based on the book red alerts

which was a serious book but there was a lawsuit yes involved where that was settled out of court so and i will say that i have seen this movie and and I'm sure it's fine, but it cannot exist in the same world as Dr. Strangelove. It's just so boring. Well, it's very serious. There's no music. It's black and white. There is no music. It's just like men sweating in black and white.

Very portentous. I haven't seen the entire film. I only on TV saw the last 15 minutes, and that was riveting. Wow, Henry Fonda's talking about blowing up New York. That's the big twist. So yeah, the zoom in on all the explosions, that's from Failsafe. But Maggie...

Yes, that is a reference to the Lyndon Baines Johnson campaign ad against Barry Goldwater in 1964. This is an ad we've all seen before, probably on the History Channel or PBS or whatever, but it's still extremely shocking today because of the underlying message. So, you won't

see the visual ad, but it is a little girl picking flowers much like Maggie's picking flowers. One, two, three, four, five, seven, six, five, seven, six, six, eight, nine, nine.

Ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one, zero. These are the stakes. To make a world in which all of God's children can live or to go into the dark. We must either love each other or we must die. Vote for President Johnson on November 3rd. This is like 10 years after

I like Ike, you like Ike. Damn. I love, it's so like, I mean, only aired once. I can't imagine the hysteria that happened after this ad. It was like a baseball bat over the head.

Yeah. But I love just like a very kind of artful commercial and then it ends with an old Southern man screaming at you like, my opponent's gonna kill everybody, including that little girl.

Who couldn't count. This is Barry Goldwater. This was when he was running, I believe, in 1964. He was a full-on Nazi. He was a bad dude. Barry Goldwater was the intense, crazy conservative for 1964, and then Ronald Reagan ended up reviving that brand of conservative. Yeah, they were like, well, look, you can'tiving that brand of conservative supremacism.

They were like, well, look, you can't just say the racial slurs, guys. You gotta get code words for them. And now Barry Goldwater is a hero of the right. But at the time, he was considered crazy. It was that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, is his line. So, good guy.

Well, thank goodness for that. But, god damn, hearing L lbj there it's like it's that lbj was not a great guy either oh no no no he personally a very racist awful man but i mean he did sign a lot of character for sure civil rights act he didn't sign that and gave up all of the south for then on for the demi crats i enjoy listening to those tapes where he's talking about his testicles inside of his uh dockers he would hey things are riding up on me needs bigger pants yeah he's just talking about his ball he was a very like body president he was also the kind of guy who would say he would call us congressmen from his phone car phone and say i just got a phone

introduced in my uh installed in my car and then when the congressman would get a phone installed in their car and call him he would be like oh hold on a moment i gotta go take a call on my other car phone yes where i'm calling you from you'll never get it i mean he was never supposed to be president now but uh so yes everyone's dead in springfield or are they best before november 1959 damn it boy there were plenty of brand new bombs but you had to go for that retro 50s charm Or are they? Best before November 1959. Damn it, Bob. There were plenty of brand new bombs, but you had to go for that retro 50s charm. Well, isn't my barge nemesis Bart Simpson? And his sister Lisa, to whom I'm fairly indifferent.

So Krusty double-crossed you. But your basic plan was pure genius. Where do you get your ideas? Oh, please. Let's not embarrass us both with that hoary old stall the villain with flattery scheme. I should have known you were too smart to fall for that. Really? What type of smart?

Book smart? Because there are a lot of people who are book smart, but it takes a very special type of genius to... All right, Bob, it's over. Come out with your hands up. No! How did they find me? Yeah, stalling Bob with flattery worked in Cape Fear very well for Barts.

Yeah, it worked again. And to be honest, it basically worked in a sideshow about Roberts as well because... Yeah! I mean, it wasn't flattery, but the whole, oh, I mean, you could never have come up with this kind of plan, etc. So I think they were kind of sending up the last two episodes, and that's fine. It's all about Bob's pride. And I like that Bob is very clear of, like, he's indifferent to Lisa, which he should not be because Lisa's defeated him almost as many times as Bart at this point.

I mean, she totally took down his election scheme. Yes. And the next episode doesn't even say, like, especially Lisa. But especially Bart. So Lisa's lumped in with the whole equation. It's like both of these children. Yeah, she's moved up in his estimation, at least. But I also think that Lisa is very good.

Like, she is a knack at controlling the prompter on the blimp. It's a very Lisa thing how she has fun with it and adds animations and, like, the little bomb blowing up. Thank you, heart, heart, heart. And the bomb is a dud. Oh, not blowing up. Yeah, and then Oakley's favorite word, the dud. He loves that. He'll be back.

I believe nuclear bombs can, in fact, expire. I would bet they can. Like, any munitions in general can expire. I remember that in the Walking Dead comic book, they made it a point later on. They're like, well, we're going to run out of ammo. This shit goes bad eventually. Same with gasoline, well, we're not going to we're going to run out of ammo. This shit goes bad. Eventually. Same with gasoline.

Like not gasoline doesn't stay good forever as or at least if if if the last man on earth is anything to go by, that comedy wouldn't lie to me. What about gasoline? They're all scientifically sound. Exactly. But I also just love the Bob twiddles the knife on his finger like he books. Smart. It's great. Like little subtle acting. I also just love how Bob twiddles the knife on his finger like, you look smart. It's great little subtle acting.

And then it's also an awesome animation of the balloon, the blimp deflating on Lisa. And you can see her pointy hair through it. Her starfish hair. Her starfish hair that can pop other volleyballs as well. We get a little gag about we got a war tomorrow. We got a war tomorrow we got a war tomorrow i don't know where that would be but uh but then bob can't really steal a harrier jet even when the eddie idiot proof military but he did find another one hell not the wright brothers plane the smithsonian's

gonna have my ass on a platter hang on boy daddy's coming to save you mom i found sideshow bob's hideout and i got a secret message to the police that i had a blimp follow me and i was in an atomic blast but i'm okay now well i wrecked the gate but you don't hear me bragging i love l Lisa's excitement over what happened. She's kind of into it, even though Bart is in trouble. She foiled another scheme. That was awesome. And Homer has really bad luck with those severe tire damage spikes.

I swear to God, I saw a million severe tire damage spike jokes before I ever saw severe tire damage spikes in my life. Yeah, it was a long time before. I just wasn't parking in places that had the spikes up, or at least that I noticed. But then when I see them, I just think about, like, don't, don't, don't, don't, which is not in this one. It's in the other time. It was in Homer Loves Flanders when he drives over to try to get in

to call in for the tickets. Oh, you're right. Okay. Then we get Bob has a very, this is the most Burns-y he is in it, I would say, which kind of distracts me, though I love the lines. Ah, for the days when aviation was a gentleman's pursuit. Back before every Joe Sweatsock could wedge himself behind a lunch tray and jet off to Raleigh-Durham.

Are you getting lots of bugs in your mouth, too? Yes. Here. I mean, it was just the last episode that burns was talking about taking something to siam via auto gyro yes an arrow mail but just like with uh bicycles the pursuit of aviation was the i don't know the domain of rich weirdos like rich elite weirdos were like i would build a flying machine gentlemen yeah i i, I love his speech, but it is a very, like, especially Johnny Lunchpail, Johnny Sweatsock instead of Johnny Lunchpail.

Yeah. And also, it's like, what do you care about flight, Bob? Though he really hates the South. Alabamians and Raleigh-Durham. Raleigh-Durham. Raleigh-Durham of all places. I mean, he did go to Yale, didn't he? Oh, yeah.

He should be of fancy pants. a fancy pants huge elitist bob yeah very elitist bob or northeastern elitist i uh also during the chase scene we get a very retro el barto spray painted on in the background you're right catch it there i missed that and finally the backpack pays off by getting run over and exploded which I wish I wasn't a nerd to these jokes now because every freaking cartoon has done the joke of the thing falls over and explodes into flames when it obviously shouldn't. And that happens a million times.

The Simpsons have repeated it a million times. In a few episodes, there will be a desk exploding after it's knocked over. Exactly, yes. I mean, they made it up. They came up with it. They get the credit. I love the image of the jet planes going in to intercept the right bladders plane.

It's like, Target is too slow. We have to get out and walk. And the pool skimmers and tennis rackets trying to catch him. And it's all coming to a head at Krusty's Funhouse. Itchy and Scratchy can't be here today. But instead, we've got the next best thing. It's the Stingy and Battery Show. They bite and

bite and bite and bite and bite. Yada yada yada. You know what I'm talking about. You killed Krusty. He made you what you are. Without him you wouldn't even be called Sideshow. What the hell is that, a lawnmower? Get away, Krusty!

What is the freaking hold up die Krusty die no Krusty is very impatient about his imminent doom what is the freaking hold up his jump through the window is like actually it's a Bruce Willis-esque it's very good they got a lot of

mileage out of the Wright Brothers playing I must say they really did and I also gotta hand it to Krusty for he got a live scorpion. He captured a live scorpion for his Stingy and Battery show. I'm sure there were several living in that abandoned public munitions thing or whatever it's called. It was probably living behind the Ike Eisenhower picture. That's true, yeah. Just like, you know, it's like, I think, too. They crashed just as Krusty was getting sick of doing it.

Like Krusty loves to entertain, but he is also a very lazy entertainer. So I think like two hours and he's like, what am I doing? I should never be a Twitch streamer. No way. And later this season, Krusty, you will crash a plane. That's true. I'm on a roller gate. That's right.

Yes. I'm on a roller gate. Oh's right. Sweet, I'm on a roll again, son. They're a free shit post for you, Simpson shit posters out there. Let me do it first. Oh, well, hey, you've got time before this episode posts, Bob. I'm working on it now. Everything ends here. We get, honestly, I'm kind of mad they got Arlie Ermey to say,

what's your major malfunction? Because it's just a little hack. They should have put a twist on it. What is your major disorder? Exactly. They normally have smarter spins on that. Say they get Rodney Dangerfield, he's like, no regard. No regard at all.

No esteem either. He does not say no respect. Maybe they learned from this. Gotcha! TV hatin' mutant. What is your major mouth function sideshow Bob I'm so glad you're safe mom you're embarrassing me in front of the army guys how ironic my crusade against television has come to an end so formulaic it could have spewed from the power book of the laziest Hollywood hack. Hey, everybody!

I'm gonna haul ass to Lollapalooza! Here we go again! That's a series of gut punches. It's just like, haulinging ass here we go again and then bam the fox music and and also bob pointing out the like this is poorly this is a this is a very pat ending came out of a power book and yet i thought the second half of the show was stronger than the first yeah just constant tension and action once it really gets going uh there are a lot of like pretty solid gags i thought everything to do with the Wright Brothers playing was, frankly, pretty hilarious.

The end of television and dropping satellite dishes onto people. That was great stuff, too. I don't know how long we've gone, but I feel like this is much longer than normal. But this episode is so packed full of things. It's so fucking dense. There were a million things to explain. But, yes, this was a longer one than normal. But people hate us complaining when it's long. So i hope you enjoyed it we're just like crusty they

want they want all the entertainment 12 hours with eight no 12 hours of talking simpson after revisiting it i like this more than i remembered but i would still say of the of the six original sideshow bob episodes this is my least favorite and it's coming off the heels of Sideshow Bob Roberts, which, frankly, is my favorite of them all. So it's kind of tough to follow up. I mean, it's still good. Yeah, I will say it's still a great episode. I would put it at the bottom of the Bob list, but it's still a very good list.

Being at the bottom of that list is being at the bottom of a very good list of episodes. That's true. I think locally Weinstein didn't take it seriously, their first Bob of their of their seasons they gave it to a freelancer even they will not spike ferriston they they will give the next one to top man of season eight ken keeler oh yeah ken keeler writes that one uh with god i cannot wait for that one it'll be here sooner than we think. Secretly a Frasier episode.

If only R.I.P. John Mahoney. If only he was in it. He will be back. He actually was cast as their dad in another episode. Oh, really? Okay, cool. Awesome. I'm on board for that. So thanks for listening, folks. This has been Talking Simpsons. I've been your host, Bob Mackie. You can find me on Twitter as Bob Servo, of course. And my other podcast is Retronauts,

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