Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Simpsons Bible Stories With David Dedrick

Episode Date: November 27, 2019

This week we get biblical with special guest David Dedrick, the colorist on the comic Sparks and the cohost of Sneaky Dragon podcast! David assists us with some religious history as us heathens learn about the Old Testament Springfield style. That means dead unicorns, eating frogs, Jesus in small claims court, giant corn holders, and so much more! Bring the German potato salad and listen along! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the new official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

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That is patreon.com slash talking simpsons. Now, please enjoy the rest of this podcast. I heartily endorse this event or product ahoy everybody welcome to talking simpsons recorded next to the porno bush i'm your the rapture-proof Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today? Hey, it's Henry Gilbert, and I love some chocolate idolatry. And who do we have on the line? Hi, this is David. I have a careful plan in place for my pets when I get raptured. Excellent, you always should.

And today's episode is Simpsons Bible Stories. Oh, man. This is the hottest Easter ever. Even that praying mantis is losing it. Today's episode aired on April 4th, 1999. That was Easter Sunday.

And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real-world history. Oh, my God! Oh, boy, Bobby. Strangers with Candy debuts on comedy central all righty there's a soft opening of universal's islands of adventure at the universal studios theme park in orlando and the matrix is number one at the box office i only heard strangers with candy and i

will say if you're listening to this on a podcast player you must be stop what you're doing go listen to our what a cartoon episode about strangers with candy we did a fun april fool's episode that was not about a cartoon but about a live action show that is a cartoon gosh that was so good that steven colbert amy sedaris paul danello like one of the funniest shows ever yeah and that reminds that reminds me. So this is a weird subject, but I was recently at a dinner and the people listening will not listen to this episode so I can talk smack about them. Where I was just, I was sitting with some friends of friends and we were eating dinner and somebody brought up strangers with candy. And I was like, oh man, this is Bob's time to shine.

And they proceeded to get everything wrong about the show. And I was just sweating and just nervous and i was like if i if i correct them i'll be going too far but i don't want to talk about the show if people don't know what they're talking about but somebody at the table insisted that the premise of the show was that jerry blank was abducted as a child in middle school and then eventually found her way back to high school at the age of 46. Somehow this person thought that was the premise of the show. And if you're a podcaster, you know the pain that people feel when something is said that's wrong about a television show. It's unimaginable. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I don't know that show at all, I'll be honest with you. Oh, it's a cult classic, they would call it. But yeah, it was Colbert's big show before well not big but colbert's show before the colbert rapport uh and he's but he's just one of the three leads on it and it's it's just a a fun show that very darkly parodies after school specials of the 70s and has some of the like most uh overly intricate dialogue ever that i just love into that it's like uh he'll be fine except in all the ways he won't be it's nice to hope for the thing you wish to want things like that things that we're saying out of context that

are much funnier in a well-written script uh so i totally blanked out i jerry blanked out after uh stranger with candy what else is happening on this day? Universal Studios in Orlando. Yes, yeah. Well, this was a personal one for me of Universal Studios. They got their secondary park, Islands of Adventure, in 1999. And so it officially opens in May. But this week, in April, my mom uh won a radio contest i believe it was or with

somebody at work however it was she got free tickets to the soft launch of islands of adventures the month before so we got to go to it weeks before most people got to go to it so i got to ride the spider-man ride before everybody else and i came to school the next day wearing my islands of adventure t-shirt being like i'm the coolest kid in the world who got to ride spider-man way before the rest of you rubes what do they have on spider island apes they're not so spidery uh you know the islands of adventure is a fun now it's so dated because everything's stuck in 1999 when they debuted it getting to ride the spider-man ride the spider-man ride i think still holds up

it was one of the best dark rides of all time if you've ridden the transformers ride it just rips it off it's the same ride like beat for beat but i like spidey more yeah islands of adventure is a lot of fun have you uh you've not gone to Universal Orlando, David? No, I've been to the one in California, Anaheim, I guess, or wherever it is. I've been to the one in California. I'll say that. No, the Hollywood one can't compare to Orlando. Orlando is way better. A lot more space.

Really? But it's Universal Studios. It's based in LA. How could it? Oh, well. Well, I guess. I guess it got bigger in Orlando. What you get at Hollywood is the history.

You get the history of Hollywood there. It has the psycho house. Nothing in Orlando has any history to it. I guess you could be like, oh, Sequest was filmed here. I guess you get the history of the short-lived Second Hollywood. They kind of started in the early 90s and never took off. Union Free, Second Hollywood. What's weird is I live in a rural area

near Vancouver, BC, and we had the Bates Motel and the Psycho House here for a while. Oh, wow. They were filming

the show Bates Motel here, so they built the Psycho House and the Bates Motel right across the street from our local dump. Wow. That's a good place for it.

They had land that was available there, so they never showed the hotel from looking across the street because then everyone would have seen that they just were across the street from a local dump. So they never showed a hotel from looking across the street because then everyone was seeing that they just were across the street from a local dump. It's not really a dump, but you know what I mean. A waste transfer station, they call them now.

They can CGI all that trash out of there. And also, so the Matrix. Was the Matrix happening now? The Matrix is out in theaters. We just, for my other podcast, Retronauts, we just recorded a whole episode about the Matrix. Really? Yeah.

You were calm like a bomb? Yeah. Was that said movie uh no that's the rage against the machine song oh damn matrix reloaded i didn't even know that no i haven't seen that movie god it sounds like acdc's back in black uh the i think it's fitting that the matrix came out on Easter because it is a tale of a man who dies and comes back to save everyone from their digital sins. I mean, they were very explicitly doing a Christ metaphor with The Matrix. Oh, yeah. I'm not being creative here. No, no. That first movie was so good.

It was great. My older daughter was five then, and my younger daughter was two. So it was very rare that I got out of the house but i was able to go see the matrix oh man that was uh that was one of the last movies i was under 17 and could sneak into for an r-rated one like my friends told me like you gotta sneak into this before you're 17 like have sneak into at least one r-rated movie and break the rules for some reason they weren't really policing that ever uh where i grew up if you look like a teen you can get into an r-rated movie that's nice what we did was we would ask like we'd find like a hip looking couple and ask them to sign us in that's how i saw r-rated movies like life of brian and stuff i'm older than you guys obviously well the matrix for me was a revelatory

film because it was like the commercials for it were so cool they were like you can't no one can explain to you what the matrix is you're like well then i have to see this no it's my job to explain it to people now and i did get like i didn't know what it's weird to call it a twist now because everybody knows what the matrix is but yeah in the middle of the movie i didn't know the big reveal of it i didn't know it either it was great to be surprised by that yeah i didn't uh i came in cold as well those are good times those were the non-spoiler days it uh i mean it was like right at the start of the pop mainstreaming of the internet so spoiler yeah yeah like i said the six cents like two years after it opened and i had no idea what the twist was so wow i think i didn't get that spoiled for me even on DVD.

Like, I saw it on DVD for the first time. I was like, oh, now I know the twist. But yes, David. David Dendrick. Yeah. Thanks so much for coming

on this week's episode. We know Dave through our friend of the show, Nina Matsumoto, because they collaborated on the amazing Sparks graphic novel, the second of which

is coming out in 2020. And Dave is the colorist on that series. August 2020. August 2020. Yes, please pre-order it now. Yeah, I do the colors for it. Nina was kind enough to ask me, the second of which is coming out in 2020 and dave is the colorist on that series august 2020 yes please yeah yeah i do the colors for it i mean it was kind enough to ask me and i i jumped on the chance so beavering away right now on the uh on the second book colors are lovely in sparks volume one very oh thank you thank you i i aim to make them bright and colorful because because i went

and looked at other books and i was thinking oh let's look at how other people do it. And then I looked and I went, why is everything so dark? This is weird. So yeah, it went the opposite way. And you also have the podcast Sneaky Dragon, which I've been on, I think, twice at this point. Yes, you have.

You're now a regular former friend of the show. I'm Steve Martin of Sneaky Dragon. That's right. And other podcasts too. I know you have other podcast series you do with Ian Boothby, miniseries and things like that. That's right uh and other podcasts too i know you have other podcast series you do with ian boothby mini series and things like that that's right we jumped very very early on to the uh the kind of single podcast single topic podcast what we did a beatles one first we started big and then we

got progressively smaller since then but that was was very successful because we kind of we are like even ahead of serial so when serial happened and people were like looking around for shows were kind of similar then they they latched onto ours so it was really kind of exciting well and uh david what's your personal history with the simpsons that's that's usually where we start with our new guests i was in from the get-go i remember reading uh i don't know if you remember the magazine the comics journal in the comics journal they had like a big full-page article about the simpsons they talked to matt grenning and they talked i can't remember if they talked to other people but they definitely talked to matt grenning and one of the things he said in it that just blew my mind as someone kind of looking forward to seeing it and then was he said we realized that

with an animated show we could have like an unlimited cast that we weren't like set to have like just a you know a small cast of six or seven people that we could fill it out with hundreds of characters and i thought that was such an exciting idea that it could just be like a whole town of characters in the show. And then they played the Christmas episode weirdly on a Saturday afternoon where I live. It was like on 2.30 on a Saturday. That was Canadian Christmas. Yeah, it was just weird as if they were like trying to sync the show, but I like, you know, went out of my way to watch it. And it was so great. Of course, that very first episode, I mean, if I saw it now, it'd be strangely rough looking, were like trying to sink the show but i like i you know went out of my way to watch it and it was so great of course that very first episode i mean if i saw it now it'd be strangely rough looking i guess but at the time there was nothing to like you know judge it

against and the original simpsons and the tracy ullman show didn't look pretty awful i thought so like it was a real step up for for the um i watched it regularly for quite a few years after i did i did stop at some point i'm not exactly not exactly sure when, because I do get, I have a high, I have a really low boredom threshold, so I get bored of things really quickly. So once I know what it is, then I just lose interest.

But it certainly was a great show, and when I watch some of the older ones, just to refresh my memory of how great they were, they never fail to amaze me. Well, and people warn you not to talk about politics or religion, but there's no way around it in this episode. I know Bob and me are very godless people.

Yeah, and I'm still astounded Henry grew up in the South and somehow avoided religion entirely. Wow, that's pretty amazing. Well, I'll go into that a little bit. But yeah, David, you are not a heathen like us. Am I correct in saying that? was like not a believer, I actually converted in my mid-twenties, mostly because I took philosophy. And somehow that kind of derailed how I looked at the world and kind of righted myself converting. Yeah. But I'm an Anglican or Episcopalian, as you would call them in the United States. Basically as close to being an atheist as you can get if you're not a Unitarian.

Okay. Just the one side of Unitarian there. Okay. That's right. Yeah. Very liberal background. My church is, we have a married gay pastor. We have, you know, a very feminist oriented theology. It's very, you know, it's all those things that would make people from the South's hair stand up on end. Yeah. People from my family would probably be a little offended at that information about your church. Well, so then you're a good expert for this episode for us like i guess i don't know i i come from all

sides i suppose well well yeah bob you have uh you and i both have kind of histories with churches but not uh really belonging to any yeah yeah like my family except for my grandma my mom and my stepdad are sort of like the working class just inin-case Christians, where it's like we don't go to church, we don't pray, we don't follow any rules, but we do believe in God, obviously. I mean, there is a God and we believe in him because we're going to heaven, but we don't ever talk about it or think about it. It's a sort of Pascal's wager Christianity, where it's just like, well, I might as well believe because if not, I'm screwed. And that's like, I don't blame them for that. Yeah, that's funny. See, I go every week practically practically and I'm not really sold on this whole heaven idea. Wow.

And as for me, like I grew up, I just think some people are incompatible with religion and I think I'm one of them where I really dislike church, the act of church and going to church. And I could never get on board with that. And that was such a facet of Catholicism, which I went to a Catholic school, and you would go to Mass a lot. Not every day, but there'd be frequent Masses, and the idea of Sunday Mass, like, I just, it didn't connect with me, and I just found it to be a huge waste of my time. And that's not an insult to people who are religious or like going to church, but I just feel like it's incompatible with who I am. I just, I can't, I can't go with you to church. I'm sorry. That's, that's fine. I mean, my daughters

would probably agree with you having grown up going to church themselves. They, they don't go, I don't force them. There's no purpose to it. A very nice friend, actually, about a decade ago, they're, they are Unitarian and they asked me to go to a mass with them. So I thought, you know what? I will give this a shot. You know, who know who knows what will happen i went there and i was like this is very nice and this is very you know friendly but it's still church like you can't you can't get away from that aspect and i just i can't do it i can't do it uh well yeah well this episode really seems to come from like an instilled childhood dislike of being forced into church not having a choice in it like everybody

in this episode is very much like i don't i don't want to be here but we have to yeah it's church and it's very much crafted by mike scully's point of view he is a lapsed catholic he grew up in a very catholic part of america and he grew up in the hot church where they turn the fans off when the priest starts talking so uh yeah it's really his point of view i think i did go through the uh henry i'm sure you experienced the same thing in like the mid-2000s i think a lot of people went through the whole like dawkins hitchens angry atheist thing that eventually turned into something much worse but um i think i'm much more mellow now it's just something i don't have to interface with uh the aspect of religion yes smug internet atheists uh who like they have pushed me away from identifying as an atheist

because i feel like that really implies a certain level of like anger and rage and also um you know chauvinism as well i think comes through in a lot of athe like this specific brand of atheism that it makes me not want to identify with i mean for me where i grew up in the south both in like the northern part of florida which is the more southern culturally but before that in the like georgia and arkansas like uh you know to not believe was kind of a it made you counterculture so there was an appeal of that but i i think now being an atheist is so boring to me because it's so acceptable here but where i grew up it wasn't and it just never really i didn't uh buy into it it wasn't for me but also like yeah i my upbringing

was weird in that i had cousins like my father's sister, they went to weekly church. They were Baptists, but my dad wasn't. My mom didn't grow up in any church, but my dad, his family all did go to church, but he didn't. But if you were to ask him, like, oh, do you believe in God? He would have agreed to that, but we just didn't't go my cynical belief is because he didn't want to pay tithes give to any kind of charity but but but also in my family history there is a like a third or fifth cousin once removed like i am i am related to one of the awful tele evangelists like oh yeah yeah i forgot about that yeah yeah so there's that aspect of my upbringing too like i never i never met him i never went to one of his like super churches

like but it was just this known thing of like well you know that guy on tv he's like your dad's second cousin or something and he met him a few times it's i mean it's kenneth copeland if you want to look up his craziest videos he's one of the oh boy i know of him yeah yeah he's no i mean he's one of those i believe the prosperity gospel things which is just it really seems like a scam to take advantage of uh very desperate sad people like yeah it's uh it's a very strange um ochre with their protestantism the whole prosperity gospel idea that you are your favorite your favoritism in God's eyes is shown by your wealth. It's a really awful thing. But I don't like to criticize that stuff too much just because I feel like bridges are nice.

People want to cross them. Our church has a lot of people who come from Christian reform backgrounds or Mennonite backgrounds, much stricter faiths. And maybe they weren't treated very well. I know one lady, when her husband died, who was an atheist, people went up to her and said, Oh, I'm sorry, your husband's going to hell. And then she just left that church. And why wouldn't you? Because what a thing to say to someone.

So yeah, it just seems like our church is a place where people wash up. It's kind of nice that way, though. And I always liked it for my daughters because it's a community, but it's like a, it's a community of so many different ages. You know, and I feel like, you know, the way our world works nowadays, it's, you know, except for your grandparents, you don't really know old people. You don't really see middle-aged people. You don't see people from all walks of life. It just doesn't work that way because our lives are so, are so stratified and so narrow you know focused and everything so it's nice to go to a place where it's just like a sort of broad tent where people of all stripes come together

and you know you get along you don't get along but you know it's to me the like the biggest recommendation for for church other than that i don't really see much purpose i mean obviously the prayer element and stuff like that but i mean mean, you can do that anywhere. But in terms of like why I thought it was good for my daughters, that was one of the main things. Is this the fact that they grew up in a place where they regularly talk to people of all ages and it kind of gave them a confidence to go out into the world and deal with people of all types and have no issues because, you know, they just grew up with that situation and it wasn't different for them like they they kill at job interviews which i i could never do we just yeah they just can always get a job like you know if they get tired of a job and they leave

they just get a job right away i'd never understand like they just are amazing yeah i just became an isolated and weird podcaster yes uh so yeah we're all coming to this simpsons bible stories episode with with our own baggage i think that's too why like simpsons you know they it's interesting to see this episode that like having the leads of your you know network sitcom go to church regularly is uh seems very weird now yeah it does it certainly when i was thinking about this episode i was thinking back to when i was little when i was a little this episode, I was thinking back to when I was little, when I was a little kid and I would go to like the dentist's office and they would have like the illustrated Bible, like just in the waiting room for people to like, for

kids to look through, you know, and you know, the drawings are great. Like they were great. They're just these beautiful watercolors of, you know, lions lying with lambs, you know, the idea of the Garden of Eden and things and all the kind of main, you know, point, the kind of main stories of the Bible. And it seemed even as a kid, like I said, we didn't go to church or anything, but I kind of knew through that, through osmosis, like all those main stories that are mostly in Genesis, you know, the flood, the Tower of Babel, Cain and Abel, the Garden of Eden, all those sort of stories, you just kind of knew because you grew up in this world that was

very much a kind of, you know, whatever you call it, very homogenous, and everyone kind of agreed. And so it was okay for a dentist's office to have a Bible for kids in it, which I can't even imagine now, going anywhere in a public place and seeing that. Well, and just when The Simpsons premiered in 1990, it was just normal of like, well, yeah, they all go to church on Sunday. It's just what the family does. Like, yeah. Yeah. And it might just be a call back to the to the use of the people writing the show as well like they're reflecting on their own lives it may not have been totally in step with the 1990s but there's an element of nostalgia to the simpsons oh yeah these are kids of the 60s and 70s writing these shows now yeah exactly like my daughter is my i

was never like a parent who kept his kids locked in the house but definitely in the neighborhood there was kids who you know just didn't have the kind of freedom to play that i grew up with where we could wander away and be gone for hours and it seems like the simpsons kind of has that element to it rather than you know feeling like like the more modern sort of whatever they call it helicopter parents or whatever that kind of well so simpsons bible stories i did want to talk about nancy cruz yeah yeah this too so we have two new people on the staff credited as writer and director. We can start with the director, Nancy Cruz. So she started working on the show as early as 1990s.

Bart the General doing work as a cleanup artist. So she started as a cleanup artist, and she worked away to director in season 10 and left in season 22. So she was there from 1990 to 2009 so almost 20 years yeah on the show cruz's experience on the show is amazing how long she worked on it like that she was there from the the klaski chupo days into the hd era of the show like and seemingly this was her first role in the animation industry she's not credited with anything before uh bart the general yeah yeah it's uh it sounds like she's just was in the simpsons family for a long time and good friends with the top folks in the or just be so

used to collaborating with them that when i saw this stuff she worked on post simpsons it's almost entirely at with the folks who left for disney animation from simpsons like richmore jim reardon and lauren mcmullen like those those folks she's now working under them in the story department on films like Wreck-It Ralph or the... Lauren McMullen's amazing Mickey short, Get a Horse. Yeah, that one's great. Yeah, I think what happened... Is that the one with Mickey Mouse? Yeah, the Mickey one where it's like 3D and 2D. That's such a great short.

It's super well done, yeah. It played before um frozen right yes yeah yeah i saw that i saw yeah we went we saw frozen in seattle for some reason we were visiting seattle and decided to go to a movie which is kind of interesting because american audiences are different than canadian audiences i found oh yeah they're armed people well they talk to the screen there which i've never heard here in canada like during the movie people were like yeah you do that or whatever they said. I don't remember exactly.

Like that would never happen here. Like no, everyone just sits like, unless they're talking on their phone like an idiot. No one says anything in a theater. Mike, I've had a few Canadian movie going experiences that are very pleasant. I have to recommend it. So we have a new writer to talk about here, Tim Long.

Not a ton of credits, but consistently working for a long time. So he started on the original run of Politically Incorrect on Comedy Central, not the ABC run. So in the mid nineties so he started on the original run of politically incorrect on comedy central not the abc run so in the mid 90s he worked on that then he went to letterman where he became head writer for a short period of time and then he has worked on the simpsons from 1999 till today so just like i forgot he's been there that long and still so well tim long tim long been there oh geezez A Tim Long time It's late here Went from being a head writer

On Letterman To being a staff writer On The Simpsons Yeah there's a real Letterman to Simpsons pipeline And we've heard people Who've worked on Letterman Saying it's a very hard job

Oh yeah The hours on Letterman Yes Oh is that right Okay I mean a daily show Like that With a very

Like intense boss Who's now apologizing To everyone he's ever Worked with seemingly Every article I mean, a daily show like that with a very intense boss. Who's now apologizing to everyone he's ever worked with, seemingly. Every article. Yes, that's right. I read that article by that. Oh, yeah. It was Nell Scovel who we've interviewed on our podcast, too.

Oh, is that right? She moved to Simpsons as well? She wrote in season two on The Simpsons. Yeah, just a one-off script. But yeah. That article's really good if you want to hear Dave Letterman finally go like, Oh yeah that was shitty oh yeah i didn't hire any women all of the anger came out when he grew that beard yeah i mean what made him fun to watch is that he was an unpleasant weirdo but that probably made him very hard to work with it seems yeah yeah oh also on nancy cruz i forgot

to mention she was like her height on simpsons was that she went to the she was one of the sequence directors on the simpsons movie which was like there was david silverman as director then you had like secondary basically co-directors and like rich moore was one of them uh and then below that was nancy cruz and others but like that shows she is one of the best directors on the show like this is like uh this had some really good setups in it and like some shots i'm gonna bring up that i'm just like wow that's good yeah mike scully said he wished he submitted this show for the emmy that year it would have won yeah it would have won for sure the uh yeah the art's just so great and like this episode offers so many challenges artistically that they pulled it off on this not normal episode

makes it even more impressive. Yeah, there are four segments with four different sets of character designs and backgrounds and time periods. But funnily enough, so we are post-South Park, post-being irreverent about religion, but they are still playing it kind of safe

in that this is an Easter episode, but I believe all the stories are pre-Jesus Old Testament stories. Yes, yeah. Yes, they do have Jesus in it, don't they? He is briefly Easter episode, but I believe all the stories are pre-Jesus Old Testament stories. Yes, yeah. Yes. They do have Jesus in it, don't they? He is briefly in it, but I think it's fairly, it treats him fairly well. He's pretty benign.

He's clearly in the right in that court case. I think they also kind of cover for themselves, like, these are the dreams of the characters. We're not saying this is how it happened in Scripture, too. Yeah, yeah so uh it covers them that way this is also it's the second anthology episode they've done that is in halloween they did spin-off showcase before that that's right yeah though this is much more in the style of the anthology episodes they do from then on i think tall tales is the next one after this not counting halloween episodes i do like that one, actually. I mean, the hobo.

Bethan beats the hobo life. Stabbing folks with my hobo knife. That's a funnier setup than just going back to Lovejoy being boring. Yeah. They actually did one about faith, too. They did another, but not like taking specific scripture and redoing that. This one, I think the approach is interesting because it is for a non-religious audience too so it the stories it chooses so number one is adam and eve and everyone knows that story the basic ideas of that story number two yeah yeah number two is the ten commandments which is really a parody of the movie like the beats of the 1956 movie and then number

three not counting the king solomon thing is just an action movie like late 90s action movies send up so you don't need to be steeped in religion to understand these parodies and they're basically like what i remember like i don't want to read about it so what do i remember about these stories that's basically what they kind of feel like more than uh you know it's not like i do a carefully researched you know rebuttal to the garden of eden it's just more like what do i remember about adam and eve what is the story yeah it's more like the memories of sund. It's just more like, what do I remember about Adam and Eve? What is the story? Yeah, it's more like the memories of Sunday school as a child

that you're trying to call back as a godless adult, you know? Exactly right. Exactly right. Yeah. The Simpsons will be right back thank merciful raw this week's episode is a great one and we really thank our guest david dedrick for coming on be sure to check out his podcast sneaky dragon and also the comic sparks that he is the colorist for please check all those out

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And if you sign up now, you can hear our most recent one, The Toy Story, What a Cartoon Movie podcast. We talk for over four hours in some cases, and you'll want to enjoy every second of it, but you only can if you're at the $10 level at patreon.com slash talking simpsons. it's also funny though to see this episode is like it's a it's a more conservative than the church usually is not to say that it's like a very liberal church most days but like love joy is much more of a scold in this than he usually is too yeah but yes this episode begins on the hottest easter ever which that's funny to hear homer say that because every easter is the hottest easter ever it just it's every month this month every month

this year was the hottest on record which uh you know things are fine probably pretty mild in 1999 by comparison they made this was the commentary I had remembered has such a funny line they talk about that George Meyer would say in the room, which is like, clever is the eunuch version of funny. And they kind of crap on themselves. Like, oh, this joke was clever.

Like, that praying mantis joke was, it's very silly. I think George Meyer says, best praying mantis joke was uh it's very silly i think george bryce says best praying mantis joke that year uh but yeah says uh i love joy is passing around the collection plate he then comes face to face with chocolate and thank you all for your kind contribution chocolate money who put this wicked idol in the collection plate? Relax, I found it in the dumpster. Perhaps we need a hefty dose of the good book. In the beginning...

Excuse me, Reverend. It's hard to hear you with those fans going. Well, let's get those off then. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. So he's going to read the entire Bible. Yes. I looked up how long, say, an unabridged Bible is, and on audible.com, the unabridged King James Version,

there was one that was 86 hours and one that's 72. Ooh, read by Larry King. But this one, seemingly he only gets up to like, I don't know, about three. 10 books, I think. I think Samuel is the last book he reads, like second Samuel. We'll get to it. I wrote it down. Okay. So yeah, that wouldn't, he definitely doesn't get up to the New Testament.

But we start with one and then we go to two for the next story. Yeah, so maybe it's, still, he's keeping them there in that hot room for hours, at the very least, which that seems longer than their normal church service. But I like how nobody even cares to stifle their groans. They're just like... Well, yeah, it seems strange to me that Marge groans, because it feels like she's the church keener So that's the

Yeah Even she is Disappointed The idea of Marge groans the loudest But they do like Kind of crapping on Marge A lot in these years

So they're kind of They're selling her out a bit That she's being She's a hypocrite Where she pretends to like church But she's really On the same page As everyone else

I think Okay Lovejoy is He didn't seem normally To be the type of guy who would hit who would call a chocolate easter bunny as an idol but but here he's very conservative in his stance which yes he's the jack t chick suddenly of the you reminded me of uh dave bergs the lighter side of those drawings yeah just like a weirdo have a weird dark energy to them don't tell jack that i guess he's gone so it's okay but yeah i mean there definitely are you

know uh christian ministers and stuff who do who do see santa claus or the easter bunny as you know enemies of faith in this way so this is it's accurate to that degree i would say and because easter is a lunar holiday i only know when my mom tells me happy easter i guess all it means to her is that she makes a ham and that's basically it we do lent so um we regularly as a family do a non-sugar lent and what's always terrible is if it falls before my birthday so i kind of birthday cake it's a real bitter oh real bitter lent for me i think i might have done a podcast with you during the last lent yes i think you did that's right and i was eating a big bowl of sugar right in front of dave this twix bar so good but i i also like that homer reassures the family who's

like mad he gave away an easter bunny he's like i found it in the dumpster which implies that homer saw a full easter bunny in a dump and was like, I'm going to eat this later. It's a good device that lets you show the passage of time. It's like a melting candle, almost. The hideousness of this melting rabbit. Those things are hollow. It just caved in on itself, really.

Are they all hollow? I think that's the lie of the chocolate rabbit. Also, I know Henry would disagree with me on this, but they're all disgusting milk chocolate, and you can keep it. Oh, you don't like milk chocolate? Not a fan. Bob's a milk chocolate hater. Too sweet. I'm pro milk chocolate. Yeah, I'm with Henry on this one, Bob.

I'm drinking black coffee at 7pm. That's my stance on things that are sweet. Okay, I don't drink coffee, so that's my stance on sour, I guess. No, the Easter bunnies, I mean, with them, you need them hollowed out because if you get a full chocolate one that is entirely chocolate, you're going to break your teeth. It's just no fun to bite into that. You have to carve it like a turkey.

Yeah. Well, then you can't bite its head off. Then it's no fun. You start from the ears down. That's what the fun part is. We need Dr. Forrester and TV's Frank's Easter Bunny guillotine from the Manos the Hands of Fate episode. Classic mystery science theater.

It's a great one. It's one of my daughter's favorites. Oh, that's great. You know, I think some of my favorite Easter Bunnies were ones that were hollowed out but full of mini M&Ms. Those were some good... Or spiders. Well, you know, spiders are extra chewy.

They're fun. That's right. But yes, Marge has a dream where she is Eve to Homer's Adam. Pretty sexy dream Marge is having. Yes, yeah. What I like is that it begins with the birth of Eve. You can imagine she was just created, and that's where she starts from in this. And I love Marge's lines like, it's almost like paradise.

We even see the lion laying with the lamb as well there. Yeah, all the animals are getting along. Although, let me just point out in the Bible that they have to work in the garden in the Bible. Oh, they don't just get to hang? They don't just get to hang around and do nothing. That's not paradise. Yeah, come on. Paid lunches. Yeah. I don't think it is supposed to be like a paradise the way we

think of it in the Bible, but yeah. In this show, it's like a paradise where there's pigs who will roll over on their back for you and all kinds of fun stuff. Yeah, and they all talk like animals can talk at this time, yeah there's uh genesis doesn't describe talking animals i'm guessing no it doesn't no there's no uh yes adam i think in the second the second genesis story adam names you know that right you guys know there's two genesis stories right so oh he names the animals in that one i i honestly don't yeah because the way the way the Bible has these kind of parallel texts,

because it combined a bunch of sources into one thing. And so there's the first Genesis, which was the creation story. And then it retells the creation story really quickly, so we can get to the Adam and Eve stuff. Ah, okay. Yeah, so it's kind of interesting. So it has Adam created in the first one, but the second telling has Eve Adam created in the first one, but then the second book has,

the second telling has Eve being created from Adam's side and all that sort of thing. Yes, it's helpful where he describes it from his sexiest rib. Yeah, yeah. I guess that's become sort of the idea of, but I think in the Bible, it actually is like a full slab of beef gets removed from Adam and turned into a woman.

Ouch. So you have to think of it not just like one rib, but more like short ribs or something. It's a good editorial choice in the second, in the retelling, to get to the conflict because it's like, everything's good. Okay, I'm falling asleep here. We need some conflict.

Let's go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God visits us very quickly in this story here, in this next clip. Looks like God made you out of my sexiest rib. Speaking of ribs, is there any grub around here? Is there? Good morning, Adam.

Any bacon for you, then? Don't mind if I do. Hi, diddly-ho, Paradise Dweller. Good morning, Lord. I just have to compliment you on this beautifully crafted mate. Oh, Adam, you're too kind. to compliment you on this beautifully crafted mate. Oh, Adam, you're too kind. No, you're too kind and wise and righteous. I can't believe you don't have a girlfriend.

Oh, please. You're going to give me a swell head. I just stopped by to see if you needed anything. Well, some general interest magazines would be nice. You got it, Eve. There you go. Oh, thanks. Well, I better skedaddle. Oh, there's one more weensy little thing. See that tree over there? I hate to be a bossy Betty, but I have to forbid you to eat its fruit.

No problem, Lord. And it would be even easier to avoid that temptation if I had a few extra wives. Just saying. Wrong religion for Homerer homer's already i this era on the simpsons homer is even when he's talking to god he is ready to cheat on marge or at least see if he can get away with it this is um marge's dream so i guess she doesn't trust homer very very much sounds like it she's right to not trust him i guess after we have to remember the character dreaming is the narrator that's true yeah and then so it's also that marge sees ned is so godly that he would be god as well which i'm glad it's ned's arm like it's the green sweater not just any arm with ned's voice i like that

obviously who else could you have play play that role in the simpsons yeah exactly the guy who's so godly that he told lovejoy to turn off the fans so he could hear it better but i imagine if if ned was as godly as he says he is of that sort of godliness that he wouldn't even go to church he'd be like some like small home church with four other people who will agree with each other, I think he needs love joy so much in his life, though, that keeps him coming. I think that's Ned's lifestyle. He only has the home baptism kit, as we've seen before. And the People magazine, that was a funny gag, too. It's a long way to go for a People magazine joke, but I do like that Marge's idea of Paradise is a magazine you find in your dentist's office.

A general interest magazine. And Adam and Eve are the only people, so that's why they're the cover stars. Yes. If I may over-explain the joke here. Classic gag. And that Homer's being such a suck-up to God, too. I hope that, too.

Even telling God he needs to get a girlfriend, or he should have a girlfriend, that is so weird. It reminds me a little bit of that sequence in the movie bedazzled with um another one with peter cook why did you rebel in heaven and he says and he gets he gets makes a deadly more sort of hop around him complimenting him and then he says can i can we change places he goes that's how i felt that's uh yeah you know what i i've actually never seen the original Bedazzle I only saw the Brendan Fraser remake from a couple decades ago

Probably from this year Well from 99 It's pretty good Liz Hurley It's a good story I can see that it would still be okay But the original one, I don't know I'm going to stick up for that one

We quickly learn about the Tree of Knowledge and their apples, and Homer and Marge are soon tempted by Snake as a snake in this next clip. Yo, have you dudes sampled this fruit? It's like God's private stash. But he said it was forbidden. Quite so, Mom.

I recall one of the dinosaurs had a bite, and, well, that was the last of... Yeah! Please stop eating that. God's going to be furious. You're pretty uptight for a naked chick. You know what would loosen you up? A little fruit.

Well, it is a sin to waste food. And you keep saying we need to do things together. This could really spice up those pies I've been making. What the dickens? Eve, did you taste of the forbidden fruit? Yes, God. Oh, John and Eve, I think you'd better hightail it out of this garden. Adam, say something.

I think we should see other people. Pretty awful of Homer in this. I guess, again, if you take this as Marge's dream, then it shows a very low opinion of Homer as well. Really selling out Marge. But again, he does do that all the time. Yeah. And it's interesting in her dream that she reverses the roles in the story, which is Eve eats the apple first and then tempts Adam to have some.

Yeah, that's... For her, it's Homer who... Yeah, I think it makes much more sense for the characters that Homer would be the one that talks her into doing it. But it's also, yeah, I was going to ask, I believe that is quite a change from scripture, that it's Eve who does it first and then gets Adam to do it. That's right, yeah. To blame women as temptresses who take people off of the straight and narrow path. I would agree. So I like that they change it to just Homer.

I mean, so there's two parts in this episode that bugged me when I first viewed it because it just seems so unfair. And one of them is this, that it's just like god is all knowing this usually but homer like eats like 10 apples before god shows up when marge takes one bite and he only eats quickly but he also like kicks all his apple cores to the side and it's just it's so unfair that marge that eve gets punished and cast out of paradise alone too and homer just lets it happen god was busy making stuff he's gonna make a lot of animals well you know i'm gonna stick up for them as being like theologically correct in the sense that god's omniscience is like a greek idea that was imported later so to jews i don't know if jews had that

same idea so they probably were it's probably more accurate this way. Because in the Bible, like God comes down and he's like walking around in the garden in the story and then he's looking for Adam and he says, where are you? Oh, wow. So yeah, like, so either he's not omniscient or he's just playing Adam. I don't know. That was a rhetorical question, Adam. I'm off on my moped.

But yeah, I just feel so bad for marge here i i do like that they have the line that explains what happens to dinosaurs of just yeah yeah that's good to also fit with the unicorn that dies later in it they're just like well that's why these things don't exist they these characters killed them and uh and also homer homer's i guess i feel extra bad for march because homer is so manipulative in this scene and like telling her like you're pretty uptight for a naked chick and just pressuring her into it like you're always saying we should do things together like it's just so bad bad boyfriend behavior is happening here uh but great art one of my favorite shots in the whole episode is marge looking over her shoulder at just homer dangling the apple in the frame like that's a really good uh drawing i love that shot and apparently marge just makes pies with no filling

i guess apples will spice we thought that she just woke up as a new person like when like if we established i thought we kind of established that she had just become alive from being created when was she making pies before just off screen she discovered pies she found the knowledge of pies i think that homer couldn't resist the apple because of how well snake presented it like that tray was a really good looking tray of apples yeah yeah eve gets punished adam gets to stay and and Homer actually starts to feel guilty. Guilty enough to try to help her. I love, they don't draw Marge's butt because they can only get away with Homer's butt. But they really indulge in the drawing of Homer's butt here.

Like the dimples they put above. Yeah, the butt dimples are spectacular. They're so noticeable when he gets that mink massage. I got to say that Marge is really sexy. Oh, yeah, yeah. The way they draw her, she's nice and curvy. I always find that kind of funny with her character, that she's much more attractive than Homer, I guess.

Though when she's in her green dress, normally it's just like a tube on her butt. Yeah, yeah, that's right. The curves are very selective when they're noticeable in her character design she wears a bikini or she's she's eve curves curves ahoy she was in playboy not naked though yes yes ah but uh but yes homer decides he's going to help marge or i guess i should say adam decides he's going to help Eve in this next clip oh usually a mink massage makes me feel better but something's missing now I didn't say stop

lovely day in paradise isn't it yeah just like yesterday today I'm featuring mouth-watering pork ribs tuck inuck in then. Oh, I gave a rib to Eve, and now she's gone forever. One whole rib and still standing. Oh, aren't you the plucky one, sir? Come on. Oh, poor Eve. What are you doing out there in that horrible place?

I'm toiling. What does it look like? This is my fault. I should have stood up for you during that whole Applegate thing. It's a little late for apologies now. Don't say that. Maybe I can sneak you back in. I mean, God can't be everywhere at once, right? And yeah, the mink massage.

You know, I'd like a cell of that. The minks dancing on Homer's butt. Or lower back. It's a very lewd drawing. Those look nice, though. If minks actually listened to you and ran in circles on your back it could be fun i feel like they'd scratch you up though yeah i think you want them to like roll on your back when they're softer yeah i think rolling would be better though there's oh i should have said i meant

to say it before homer's arrival of diving off the waterfall and smashing in the rocks, one of the funniest visuals in this episode. The lack of pain is just illustrated so perfectly there. I mean, is that accurate that pain didn't exist there either in Scripture? It is kind of, the Bible is kind of joke-free. There's very few, mostly like puns, mostly wordplay. I love wordplay. Oh, that's funny. Now I remember i should have said it before you mentioned your first r-rated movie or sneaking into the life of brian that's uh very fitting for this yes that's right yeah yeah homer uh gets marge back

into the back into the garden through a secret hole that's dug which is very fun but bizarre joke where a gopher seems to be digging the hole but then a unicorn is under him but a land monster a land monster right a horned land monster and then the unicorn just like i'm okay i'm okay and then he falls over dead i love that voice on the on the unicorn like it's like a teenager's voice or something yeah well the unicorn's kind of got like a goatee as well it's an interesting choice on gary the unicorn g kind of got like a goatee as well. It's an interesting choice. Gary the unicorn. Gary.

That was like right before Gary the snail, SpongeBob's pet. Oh, yeah. So Gary's like Bob. It's a fun, bland white guy name that you can just apply to things. Do you think it's funny? Boy, you have love for Gary just mutual like you both suffered. I have a friend named Gary. We know each other's pain.

Okay. They seem to think they can get one by God, but it doesn't work out for them. So, this is how you repay me, Adam. And after I created my fingers to the bone for you, I... Oh, my unicorn! Oh, what have they done to you, Gary? Oh, there, there. I'm sure he's gone to a better place, Lord. Oh, shut up!

You are so banished! Hey, now, let's not do anything rash. God is love, right? Ah! God, you have every right to flick me out, too. But before you... Oh, my back! So this must be that pain thing.

Oh, yeah, definitely pain. This sucks. Things were so much better back in the garden. I'm sure God will let us return soon. I mean, how long can he hold a grudge? Forever. Things were so much better back in the garden. I'm sure God will let us return soon. I mean, how long can he hold a grudge? Forever and ever. And ever and... It's a good act break.

Yeah, so the image of a naked Homer laying... Sorry, naked Marge laying on naked Homer laying on the rocks. He's going to be like one of the most lewd drawings on the show. They got away with something there. I was going to post it on Twitter, just that screenshot, but I was like, I don't want anyone to take this out of context or have it show up while they're at work. It would get flagged as

sensitive material by Twitter. They'd make it unviewable. Yeah, but I guess it would have been worse if it was Homer on top of Marge. Yeah, they fell in the correct order. It's okay the way they did it. They could get away with it. This is a very Old Testament God here as well.

It's kind of funny seeing Homer say God is love, right, and then just getting flicked away. Happy God. Happy God. Because the Adam and Eve story is, you know, it's this sort of great myth. And I always feel like when it gets parodied like this, you know, like a lot of the context or the subtext kind of gets thrown out the window. So it's like God, like before he does kick Adam and Eve out, but he also makes clothes for them. You don't leave entirely naked. He sends them out into the world so they can stay warm, you know?

Yeah, that kind of... It's kind of weird. Kind of like Cain and Abel. Like the mark of Cain in the story of Cain and Abel, the mark of Cain is a protective mark to keep him safe from being hurt. So it's these kind of weird things that get kind of lost in the shuffle of our reading and memory of the Bible. I kind of forgot. If I ever knew them, I had forgotten those aspects. I didn't even know that yeah well because yeah i think you know it's in popular culture it's just you use old testament as a way to describe something being harsh or or yeah yeah well i mean it is harsh it is harsh because we're basically

reading about bronze age people we're like these are all kinds of oral traditions that were like later on collated into into the torah the first five books originally and then later on like added to these kind of weird like really ancient people's ideas but then there's like this gloss of like the more modern i'll put that in quotation marks more modern people like who've just come back from the babylonian exile who are trying to like understand who they are because they've just been like living in exile and have been slaves or been couldn't be jews you know so they're like what are we and so these stories have this kind of meaning to them that it's hard to recapture for us i think

they're full of interesting things like like adam and eve it's partly like it has like the kind of legendary elements too where it's like why is it painful for women to give birth when it's not painful for other animals and then this adam eve story says well because of this because of the sin in god's curse on them women have pain from childbirth that are weird things you know yeah there's other parts of the stories where they're like this happened here and that's why this rock is called this you know and that's why snakes don't have legs because the snake got cursed or the serpent got cursed and now he doesn't have legs oh yeah adam you story as well so before this story he had legs and then he got cursed to not have legs so when when Snake appears in this, he should have legs then, yeah.

That is true. Wow. Inaccurate. Yeah, I want the entire metaphor to apply to me. Like when I commit a sin, I want a new jacket from God as well. There you go. You do not have my grace, but have this nice jacket. It's Uniqlo. I think the idea of the clothes is that's God's grace, right? That you don't go completely naked and unprotected into the world that you always have.

It's kind of very complicated because in the Garden of Eden story, there's two trees, right? There's the tree of knowledge of good and evil. There's also the tree of life. So if you eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then you become, you make, you suddenly are a free agent. Now you can make moral choices. But also, you also are are because you do this you're kind of cursed your life cursed to these the reality of life so you're no longer living in a

garden which i think in the the view of the people who wrote the story it's not like a garden like it's more like a garden that would be in like a a rich person's backyard kind of garden do you know what i mean okay viewed it so it's yeah, you kind of have to think of it like a really nice backyard of someone's house with, like, a gazebo. A backyard of Eden. The backyard. But then, anyway, in kind of the story, like, so if they have all this pain and anguish and stuff like that, it's actually God doing them a favor by removing them from the garden. Because if they ate of the tree of life and lived, had immortal lives, it would just be like this endless life of toil and suffering that has no conclusion to it you know it's it's it's like god's doing them a favor by taking them out of the garden it's very weird though of course because why is he punishing them and there's

things that you know like for us as modern people we don't you know for like for like jews of that time period you know and obviously when writing about adam and eve adam and eve aren't jewish so like it's okay for homer to be eating pork because he's not Jewish in the garden. And think of that. There's no Jews in the Bible until Abraham. So for them, it was like they had to explain God active in our world. It has this constant activity in it. And so the way they explain things for us as modern people, like post-Enlightenment, doesn't really make a lot of sense more than they would have.

But we're like, why is that happening? Why is he throwing them out? Why is there two trees in there? Why is this happening? Why did he make a garden and put two trees in there that people can't eat? These were the questions that pushed me away from it. It's like, well, but why? That doesn't make sense.

That's one of my problems with churches even now is that you know you have sunday school and you teach very kind of simple stories and stuff like that but there's no like next level where you go okay well i know we told you about this but let's open it a bit more and talk about why this what was going on and why people thought like this at the time you know let's unpack difficult things like joshua that's super difficult that's like full of murder and murder and murder after murder so one of my favorite uh life in hell comics so life now obviously created by matt gerani one of my favorite comics is basically kids questions about religion and every panel is a kid asking a different question i think they're taken from his own children or just things he remembers thinking of as a kid my favorite panel is a

kid asking if god is everywhere is he in the toilet and that's like something you honestly think about as a kid like wait a minute does this is he like he has to be everywhere am i peeing on god right now what's happening sure uh yeah and then it's like and that's another problem right because you're we have this idea of god as like this old guy in a cloud and that's really not like the religious idea of god and so then you you know but for kids because you you know it's hard to understand like abstract concepts you know you have to sort of slowly introduce abstract concepts and i like that homer or adam is kind of talking down to god of like i'm sure he's in a better place like he's trying to explain the afterlife to god that's an extra i

love that that that's when he's like that's the last straw like oh i you are so banished i i mean that has to be pretty frustrating to to be to get that kind of message from your creation that's pretty funny maybe it was a tree of knowledge that gave homer that kind of uppity to think he's yeah there you go that's right the The cut to Lovejoy saying that this goes on forever and ever and ever. God does indeed hold a grudge in this story. Yeah. Then we come back and this, I have to say, this shows how unknowledgeable I am. I did not know how many books were in the Bible.

I mean, it's not a common, I don't think it's a common thing people know because there are so many. At least in my estimation, it was not like a Christian trivia thing in Catholic school. Okay. Well, but this is, but I did Google that it's 66 in a Protestant one, which fits for the church they go to. So, yeah. And so, yes, we move on to Exodus. That's where Lisa starts falling asleep. She dreams of a movie parody.

Yeah. So, I mean, I say in a negative way these plots can be Rugrats-y. But, I mean. This is a very. Sorry. Yeah. Rugrats Passover aired four years before this episode. So, this is like literally a Rugrats special.

Way darker. But, yeah. I get it. i was thinking the same thing because we did that for what a cartoon right no it was a hanukkah special yeah that's right they did passover after hanukkah very similar um you know styles of humor like we don't see tommy killing a bunch of people no uh as king david right when the maccabee fight maccabee babies yeah they they cut away when that battle begins and i don't fully remember i think they they don't really talk too much about the deaths of the firstborn or the pains of slavery

too much in the passover episode uh but it's been a while since i saw that i said pharaoh started it because he thought there were too many too many jews so then he he had the firstborn killed all right so that's why pharaoh brings it up here too as he's he thought he thought he punished them enough uh with the firstborns but uh yes bob you're right this is the ten commandments the film as well yeah and wiggum playing uh the edward g robinson role uh down to the costume the exact costume yeah and we should point i think we said it on an earlier podcast but he never said

where's the Messiah now that was a joke I believe was it Dana Carvey it was Billy Crystal Billy Crystal thank you thank you so much

where's the Messiah now yeah where's the Moses now saying let my people go now so yeah Yeah, where's your Moses now, Shane? Let my people go now! So yeah, he was doing his approximation of hearing Edward G. Robinson in that role. Yes. Using his very Edward G. Robinson voice.

Yes, it was okay. Well, it's a great comedic idea that Billy Crystal was saying what a lot of kids of the 50s, 60s, and 70s had thought that they'd see these, not just Ten Commandments, but all these historical epics. Like really extreme was John Wayne playing Genghis Khan. But in all these things, they'd have these actors who so specifically set in parts of america with their accents playing biblical figures but not changing their voice at all it's it is uh quite silly but everyone knows that roman

centurion's british come on you guys yes yeah in the last temptation of christ i remember uh it being i i like that movie it's distracting that's a good movie that harvey kytel is judas and he still has his accent a very heavy accent yeah but yeah they don't try to hide it no but it's fine it works it works in that it works in that movie because that movie feels very it doesn't feel like a you know what do they call those movies sword and sandal movie or whatever it doesn't feel like that it feels it feels more like a this feels more kind of like that it's just real people doing stuff rather than like a big epic something they'll feel kind of more grounded so's just real people doing stuff rather than like a big epic something they'll feel kind of more grounded so i feel like it works in that context what's worse than his

accident is red hair yes yeah uh the billy crystal bit yeah we talked about it in the episode homer loves flanders that's right because that's what wigum says to flanders when he puts it when he arrests him for goofballs tells him like where's your messiah now and I think it was just them misremembering him actually saying that in the movie where there was no internet to look it up like when we want to double check a fact we shut the podcast down and look it up and then start up again make sure we're right when you're making a tv show in 1993 you can't do that you gotta like well I guess that's what he said in this movie yeah yeah a lot of kid whipping in this one.

Well, not a lot. They really only do it like twice to set up their torture. Do you like the Omni-Lash? That's a great game. Yeah, that's great. The kids are playing the Israelites while the teachers are Egyptian rulers here, yeah, in this next clip. Man, captivity blows.

To the whip. On your knees, you mugs. It's the Pharaoh. Ah, excellent progress, Slave Driver Willie. Kudos on your whipping. He noticed. Suffering sarcophagus, my tomb.

Who did this? Come on, confess. Don't make me slay all the firstborn males again. Bart did it. I saw him do it. Take him away, boys. No, the bush set me up. As for the rest of you, it's time for a little discipline.

Slave driver, put away the encouragement whip and break out the cruel whip. It wasn't until I listened to the commentary again did I remember that the Bush set me up was a reference to Marion Barry saying that bitch set me up, talking about the undercover crack sting that got him arrested. Yes, yeah, the late Marion Barry, who, controversial figure, Washington, D.C.'s mayor of of the 90s he was mayor for like 13 years that happened he went away for like three years it became mayor again yep re-elected yeah the uh the they loved him in washington dc what can you say uh yeah it was an fbi sting operation where a former girlfriend offered like hey come to this hotel room let's smoke crack together and so he he accepted and uh when the fbi busted in he uh was just repeating over and over again quote that bitch set me up so that's why homer i hate saying that word uh but that's that's why bart says the bush set me up as he's being dragged really lost the time i think it doesn't make uh it doesn't make much sense if you don't know.

Barry and Barry's been dead for like four years now? Something like that. I tried to look up a clip just saying, like, where is he now? And the last clip I found was on YouTube. It was of a former of MTV. Remember Kennedy? Oh, God. Now mega-libertarian. I think she works for, like, Reason or Logic or one of those websites.

But she was interviewing him, actually, for a good reason, because he said something about like the menace of like Asian shopkeepers in DC or something like that. Yeah he was pretty racist to Asians in that clip. And she was like why make it about race? He was like I'm just telling the truth and it was just like woof. Yeah.

It's just ugly on all sides because Kennedy sucks too. I had a crush on Kennedy as a young in on MTV. i believe she's a fox news host now she is yes oh dear i'm sorry i like the uh i like the motto of reason magazine who needs roads why bother right somebody else will pay for or fire departments but it's funny it's a funny way they got the burning bush joke in here without having moses see it and just yeah i i would think that would change pharaoh's minds on the israelites

if he sees a talking burning bush but well it was on his side yeah it's true uh it also feels like a call back to classic simpsons of him defacing something of skinners and getting punished like that's all the way back to i am a wiener yeah i also we talk about the dreamer of these and how it colors the stories this is lisa's dream so she envisions an exodus where moses is a wimp who needs to have an un a lost to history female friend driving him to do anything yes and i also think that's why the the plagues are not miraculous or they're not they're not done by god that they are uh false in the least it does like school pranks almost to this box of frogs jumped up jumped dumped on someone is uh yeah yeah yeah i think uh i think you can credit that to l Lisa being a non-believer or at least a light believer.

Yeah, yeah. She's not a Buddhist yet. Yeah. Though, then again, that's counter to how she's treated at the end of the episode if she's a non-believer. But yes, Lisa pushes Milhouse into the most feeble saying of let my people go in in film history we can't keep living like this moses ask pharaoh to let your people go oh now they're my people scrub harder slave i want to be able to eat off that thing and make it snappy it's almost lunchtime excuse me uh pharaoh i think moses here has something to ask you and make it snappy. It's almost lunchtime. Excuse me, Pharaoh?

I think Moses here has something to ask you. Go. Let me people go. Let your people go? I've never heard such insolence. You call yourselves slaves? Well, the ball's in his court now. That was Skinner being much louder than he normally is.

I think it was done well to play off Milhouse's wimpiness. I love how angry he is. I love that he's mad of just like, you call yourself slaves? Is it like that you're being the opposite of a slave, that you're not doing what I say? We all know the song let my people go so to just say like that's that's so funny that moses just has to be shoved into everything by by lisa i also like is very like oh so now they're you're my people like

it's a real like uh married couple argument yeah now it's my son. Oh, well, when he got L.A.'s, it was your son. But now, this is the first time I noticed that when Wiggum says it's almost lunchtime, he looks at a sundial. Like they drew a sundial in there. Very good. That's a good extra gag there. And so Edna is, well, actually, in the next scene, we get a plague of frogs and also a Cleopatra reference kind of out of nowhere, which, like, that's thousands of years difference from Ramsay's, I think. Yeah.

All right, read me banked what I have so far, Mrs. Crabapatra. Bird, bird, giant eye, pyramid, bird. Very good. Giant eye, dead fish, cat head, cat head, cat head. Guy doing this. What the? Keep that place coming, Moses. Frogs away!

We spent all our money, but it was worth it. Now he's gotta let us go. Mm. Mm. These are the juiciest frogs I've ever eaten. Ra has rewarded my cruelty to the slaves. It's a plague, you moron.

And we got lots more planned. And there's nothing you can do about it. So long, kids. Give my regards to the British Museum. My line of the show is the hieroglyphics joke. Okay. Cat head, cat head, cat head.

Guy doing this. It's funny because I think the joke is like, even they don't know what hieroglyphics are. They just know what the pictures are. But I love the reading of Harry Shearer going, cat head, cat head, cat head. All right, let's play the jingle to make that officially the line of the episode. That's the joke. Thank you. I got of the episode. That's the joke.

Thank you. I got a real chuckle out of that joke. And also the Crabapatra. Really, really tortured. But I like the design of her looking like the Elizabeth Taylor Cleopatra, especially with the heavy eyeliner on her and stuff. It's a very Mad Magazine style parody in which we don't need to know her name but someone thought it was very cute so it's like they're uh mentioning her name unnecessarily

you know just to be like we made this pun look at this pun and i i like the i do like the gag too that like a how the plagues aren't working on a bad person who just reads any punishment is like no this is telling me that i'm doing a great job and it's a reward for my torturing of slaves. And it's an easy joke to miss, but Skinner is eating everything but the legs of the frogs. Oh, yes. He just has piles of the legs,

which is like that's, frog legs is the only part of frogs normally people eat if they eat frogs at all. I also like that Wiggum has, he knows what the British Museum is, that there's a place called Britain and that we'll have a museum. Yes, that's a joke I like a lot. I just like that kind of anachronism there.

And there's a callback to a recent episode in this initial establishing shot of the inside of the pyramid. The orb of Isis from Lost Our Lisa is on display. Oh, I missed that. Wow, that's smart. Now an unfortunately named thing but uh they they couldn't have known what isis would mean but that's so funny they put it in there they didn't know it was cat woman's cat how could they i like how bill house also decides this is the time to see if they could be more than friends when they're on the death trap

while they're searching for their way out this is another thing i noticed for the first time lisa walks right by the death trap button because she knows what it is but then millhouse is like oh hey i found it and presses yeah yeah uh and it's it's so clearly a death trap button that he and then he keeps pressing it harder and harder the elevator button joke is very funny we're just like well i guess i'll just keep pressing it yeah yeah the capper to me is the spikes coming all uh point to point yeah so perfect i don't think i'd ever seen that joke before and all the spiked room death trap jokes i'd seen is yeah that's what i thought too i

thought well this is a really great twist on this joke like if you're thinking yourself how can we get them out of this this conundrum like we've got them in a locked room, basically. What do we do? And then that's such a perfect... I just like the idea that it just popped into someone's head while they were trying to figure it out. I thought I had seen every Spike Trap room joke until then. That's right, yes.

It's just like it's that and quicksand jokes. We need to innovate. Yeah. I love that joke because you know that Lisa says, it's slave labor, you get what you pay for. But just the joke that they had only one layout of spikes for the wall and they just repeated it on the other side of the wall. And then they climb up the spikes, which is nice.

Yeah, it creates a ladder because they all meet in the same spot. Like, yeah. And it's a cute drawing of them sliding down the pyramid as they escape and uh i i googled it it does look like moses is using a pretty accurate shofar to blow the horn and get everybody's attention talk about other cute rug ratsy kinds of jokes redoing the chalkboard gag but for bart with it as a israelite was pretty funny yeah and the chalkboard says i will not t-face In case you're wondering what that, I think it's called a rebus.

One of those pictogram puzzles. I didn't know that. And so, yeah, it says, they're all running away. Wiggum warns Skinner. Hey, Pharaoh, those half-pint slaves are exodusing as we speak. Well, I say good riddance to bad rubbish.

Okay, but who's gonna to build your pyramids? Well, we could... After them! We'll never be able to swim that far. Oy caramba! Screw this! I'm converting! Save us, almighty Ra! Hey, cut that out.

I have an idea. All right, Moses, lead your people. Flush! It's pretty blasphemous to write Moses saying, screw this, I'm converting. And ordering his people to flush toilets. Oh, that's fine. We get a sort of parody of the famous scene,

obviously in the bible but the ten commandments that everyone has seen that clip but you know it's never talked about anymore uh that film scene but i remember when we were growing up that they it would be in specials about like these the amazing technical achievement of parting the red sea in a film like and it was so celebrated that nobody talks about it now i feel like because special effects are so boilerplate now it's not it's not impressive anymore i've driven through it in the universal ride oh wow i think they got rid of that now that's that wasn't now they do political i love the line that the, I forget which Egyptian says it, but into the temporarily dry sea.

Because that makes me laugh every time I see that clip of the movie. The sea's not going to stay open for you. It opened for this guy. What makes you think it's going to stay open? Well, the Egyptians are too pissed off. They're not there. You should be losing your minds over what's happening. The best part of it, of course, is that in the Bible, off they're not yeah you should be losing your minds over what's happening uh the funniest the

best part of it of course is that in the in the bible it actually is translated as the reed sea it's a sea of reeds not a not the red sea ah which is like a later gloss because they couldn't figure out like how to try like they couldn't they couldn't figure out like a sea that was in that area so they went well i guess it was the red sea so that's what they put in. That sounds like a smaller body of water, a Reed Sea. Yeah, they probably just walked across it. The chariots got stuck, I guess. Who knows? The editor was like, Reed, Red, I've got monk stuff to do.

Let's move on. Next page. Well, also, talking about Rugratsy jokes, Oi Carumba is a bit of a Rugratsy joke there. They were having a little too much fun. I think on the commentary they said they were driving George Meyer crazy with these parodies. So that's why they're doing it. A very old school writer on the staff at the time.

Sorry, George Meyer was an old school writer? Yeah, he was on from the first season and he came back, I think he was gone after the fifth season, I'm guessing? Yeah, yeah. Oh, really? He was only there for that long. I didn't realize that. Yeah, yeah. And I think he left in the fifth and came back for the ninth yeah it is a bigger creative

force for sure i think he he was like a once a week kind of guy until until season nine uh and he is the type of guy who would not like these kind of bazooka joe that's a good label for them yeah i read a i read a profile of him in the new yorker many many many years ago oh that's a great that was you know when i read that that was one of my first times i even thought of uh that there are writers for these shows and that who these writers are yeah yeah he drove like a honda accord with no air conditioning because it was bad for the environment. Ah, yes, yeah. And it talked about him kind of becoming estranged from the, I guess, television writing and moving to Colorado, where he was doing like a little fan scene called Army Man.

Yeah, yeah. And then that kind of got him attention again. And then I guess he got hired to write for, I can't remember what it was for, maybe for David Letterman. I can't remember what it was for now. Yeah, he was a Letterman writer. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah okay so he kind of came back that way and then he's and then he moved to simpsons i guess like a lot of other maybe he was the kind of the portal to the simpsons for a lot of letterman writers yeah we haven't mentioned it uh in a while but army man was the fanzine that people like george meyer and john swartzwater wrote for and all this all the scans are online like i had no idea how you got it back in like

1986 or 1987 or whatever i've never seen it i didn't even know it was online i was reading about it in the new yorker profile very funny in my mind punchy little joke articles it's sort of like an onion pre-onion almost yeah yeah and it's exactly what i love in humor which is when i was a teenager i always wanted to start a humor magazine called golf carts because it's like so inappropriate a name for a humor magazine and i feel like army man is the same as it's like a brilliant uh you know non-sequitur which i really like i i really like that moses uh the way they have millhouse play it lisa does

everything all he says is flush and he's like i'm a genius yeah takes all the credit such a great gag of how guys like really it feels like a joke about managers how a manager just took all the credit for lisa's work there are really just men in that time period where women were so subordinate to the males but probably had a lot to do with the general running of everything but men just couldn't couldn't handle dealing you know admitting that so and with all the violence in the next uh segment you think there'd be more here but i love how it just turns in the pool time fun yes all the egyptians just have like fun in the pool you don't have to watch them all drown yeah uh it's funnier to see wigum uh bossing around lou and eddie kind of being the parent to them in the in the pool. This next clip.

Chief, he splashed me. Look, nobody likes to cry, baby. Okay? You just splash him back. Well, Lisa, we're out of Egypt. So, what's next for the Israelites? Land of milk and honey? Well, Lisa, we're out of Egypt. So, what's next for the Israelites? Land of milk and honey? Hmm, well, actually, it looks like we're in for 40 years of wandering the desert. 40 years? But after that, it's clear sailing for the Jews, right?

Uh, more or less. Hey, is that manna? Yeah! And they're off to play The Secret of Mana for the Super Nintendo. I could not think of any JRPG when Lisa said that. Or Magic the Gathering.

Yeah, that too. I forgot to mention that it was God who made them wander for 40 years. But he gave them mana to eat, right? Yeah, that's right. Like the clothes he gave Adam and Eve. He's like, here's a sack of uh manna yeah here's some one flavor sky well again in in lisa's dream there is no god and she's she's just the one uh leading them around yeah god is a fink in this in this uh it's a burning bush who gives away the i like i mean it's a real dark joke but i do like how

just millhouse's hopefulness of like it's clear sailing for the jews right like oh dark dark so this next uh segment i forgot exists and i think it's a bit lame i just feel like the david and goliath thing needed about 45 seconds before it started so uh it's just really a vehicle for a people's court parody a little past the sell-by date 99 is kind of late for people's court jokes it's very true uh at least it lets every it lets all four speaking family members have a dream sequence like this feels like it's a leftover from today's four act simpsons instead it does yeah instead of this but homer's acting in this is funny to me i actually i just have the whole clip here let's let's play it now we come to king solomon whose wisdom was like a drill

boring into the rock of injustice boring boring boring Boring. Boring. Boring. King Solomon, these men need you to settle a dispute. They each claim ownership of this pie. The pie shall be cut in two. And each man shall receive death. I'll eat the pie. Okay, next up, Jesus Christ versus Checker Chariot. Very good. People's court sound alike yeah i do and i like the i like the tinkling kind of mid-eastern bells there with you know kind of giving it a little bit of an arabian flavor

this is right before judge shows changed to become much more trashy and personality driven like judge wapner was uh fairly charismatic but he was no Judge Judy or Judge Joe Brown or Judge Mills. Every successive judge after Wapner was much more flamboyant and popular and screamy. When the cases on people's court were a lot more boring than the trashiness of the Judge Judy stuff. I mean, in two or three years we will have Judge Constance Harm,

the Judge Judy parody, which just shows you where judge shows went in the next couple of years in this timeline. I once saw an episode of Judge Judy with Johnny Rotten or John Lyddon from Pill, who is being sued by his drummer for something. Oh, yeah. I remember that he was doing that. Yeah. Pretty strange. that yeah yeah the most of those judge judy shows it's it's like judge wapner it's not about him telling somebody to face facts or get their act together don't pee on my head and tell me it's raining yeah exactly judge judy is about taking these kids to task and telling them what for

and tapping on her wrist and looking at the time yeah okay i'm no nonsense here buddy yeah i mean i'm sure we'll do a little history affair when we get to the uh the parents rap i believe this first episode that character's in yeah but uh she's secretly one of the most wealthy women on the planet oh she's insanely well yeah yeah oh really she makes so much money off of her shows like it's and she only records like low-key wealthy hey yeah because those daytime shows just play everywhere and they're so cheap to make and she just will fly out and like record 10 months worth of them and in like a few weeks and then fly back to wherever she has all of her immense wealth it's crazy actually a private island yeah i love homer i love homer here like his the way he says we cut into both men will receive death like and the way he pulls the

pie halves back as he says death is so funny to me uh and then also that homer is dreaming of killing lenny and carl what does that say and stealing their pie also i gotta give a thumbs up to nancy kreuzner team here that like so it's the same outfit in both of his appearances in act three but they designed two different versions of a biblical wiggo that's true yeah doubles up here and it's a different costume he's clearly the edward g robinson ten commandments design in that one but in this he's uh it's a different biblical cop outfit it's it's it's impressive they didn't need to do that right no no one would have noticed it is an interesting like quick detour to the new testament it's kind

of weird yes yeah they couldn't make it because well partly but like this king solomon obviously is old testament david king david's son but then jesus it is jesus yeah it's weird it's kind of weird and then he's against checker chariot which which I guess is like checker cab, but for chariots. So talking about books of the Bible. So King Solomon is from second book of Samuel, which is the 10th book of the Bible. But I believe David and Goliath is from the first book of Samuel. Is that correct? I think that's right.

So he's going from 10 to 9. He's going backwards. Well, the history of David is told once again it's like parallel text so like there's two different introductions of David in first Samuel but then there's also Chronicles which retells the story of King David but more from a negative point of view so they're not such a big fan of David and Chronicles but then Samuel they're big fans of king david so it's well this uh the appearance of jesus here is very yeah it's it's quite random and also i i like their idea at least in homer's vision that jesus is so petty that he would well not i mean he's that he's suing the guy for a hit and run which but is him having a kind of loose folder that says, my accident. He's representing himself.

That's so funny. Nancy Cruz mentions on the commentary that in the animation world, there are some really religious animators who said they didn't have a problem with any of the Old Testament stuff. But some were mad at the end of doing a joke about Jesus. And she had to get other people to draw that section. Yeah. That was strange to hear about the devout religious animators, because I just assumed they're all deviants based on what we know about animators. Deviants of one type or another. Well, they're deviant, devout animators.

We're just so similar so uh so homer homer then just falls on the ground i like that he when bart pulls his arm out in the real world homer just flops on the ground and stays asleep but then we get to matt selman's segment of the episode that was larry doyle who wrote the middle one. This one is Matt Selman. And this, you know, Matt Selman was one of the younger guys on the staff. And this feels more like a South Park or Family Guy sequence here with it being so specifically about parodying pop culture beats of a action film. Yeah, it's not just a retelling of a story. It has like a satirical lens to it where it's definitely like, it's of the late 90s, Jerry Bruckheimer, Don Simpson style

of cheesy action movie. We've really just, action movies have become so different now. Yeah, there are all these tentpoles. They're not as much about the macho energy and easy revenge arc

that this hits. They're not catchphrase driven at all. No montage. Well, I mean, there are montages, but no cheesy songs in them. Yeah, yeah. But yes, Bart dreams up a David who is much like Rocky in Rocky III.

He succeeded so much, he's getting soft again. And so that makes Goliath kind of Clubber Lang here, I think. Well, and also speaking of using corny jokes uh we get to the that could have been said at any time in the last 2 000 years uh crusty comes in with uh some old testament comedy in this next clip i'm bored send in my jester hey king david how you doing now i'm not saying Jezebel's easy,

but before she moved to Sodom, it was known for its pottery! What else you got? Wait a minute, I got something on the Canaanites. They're so stupid! Methuselah, my oldest friend, who did this to you? Oh, it was Goliath. But Goliath is dead. I smote him myself.

I smoted him good. No, it was his son, Goliath 2. No! Goliath 2 is gonna pay And this time It's biblical So you're writing a A parody of this kind of movie

Let's you get away with Very bad writing In a fun way So I like Him coming to life again Just to say No it was Goliath 2 And screaming no

To the heavens And this time It's biblical Yeah One My favorite joke there is uh my oldest friend yeah that's true well i like it because because no one is older than methuselah he is well that's the thing once again they're just going for these kind of i don't want to say easy marks but this

it's familiar enough to the general population that the jokes land you know like that's it's very clever uh he methuselah is the oldest human in the bible right or i believe so they there's a certain point in the bible where yeah they all live to a huge crazy ages noah is another one as well just all into the 900s 900s yeah like 900s yeah like it's crazy but i don't know if it's like if years were like a few years were different for them so when we translate years we're translating something that was different so it's hard to know or they were so holy that they just live forever i don't know i have no idea i think people of the generation uh i think people of the generation writing this script but i think methuselah was also like a pejorative term like i would hear my mom yelling that like hey methuselah get off the road like old people

driving poorly i don't think we do that as much anymore, Henry and I's generation. I've never used Methuselah in anger. I'm fairly antique, and I've never used it in anger either. I have other M words I use when I'm driving. Methuselah is a fun word. Like, Methuselah sounds... I think, you know, when I think of that word,

I think of Bugs Bunny saying it to, that flash forward where him and Elmer Fudd are both old. It's like, so long, Methuselah. Good times. That's a great cartoon. But yeah, I also like hearing Bart say, I smoted him good. But what makes a Canaanite so stupid? I want to hear the other side, because I don't know anything about them other than that they're a people listed in the Bible.

I feel like it's going to be a Polish style joke from Krusty. Oh, the Canaanites. Yeah. Well, that was the land that the Jews invaded. Oh, okay. The Canaanites lived there first and then the Jews came. That's what Joshua is about, like the conquering of the Canaanites. One of my favorite things in the Bible, well, favorite in the sense that it's horrible,

is the story of the walls of Jericho. The walls of Jericho came tumbling down and blah, blah, blah. It's so great. And then the actual story is like, the Jews were instructed by God to circle the town like three times. And it's like kind of entourage blowing their trumpets.

And then God made the walls fall down. And then the Jews went in and murdered everyone. Everyone. Even all the animals get murdered. Everyone gets murdered. No one gets off. Like a wholesale slaughter. And I just think it's so weird that we like celebrate the walls came tumbling down and Jericho and stuff like that.

And this is like a horrible massacre, a genocide of the Canaanites. You know, it's just crazy. Yeah, that's a real hard book to stomach, Joshua. I didn't know that. Yeah, it's kind of come after exodus you know like the reward for the jews is to come to canaan the canaan land to the land of the canaanites this is their prize that god has promised them and of course they're writing about they're writing this from the future right so they're like looking back at this

historical time how historical it is it's hard to know because a lot of the towns they mentioned there's like no art there's no archaeological evidence for it so it's it's possible that like all the numbers are inflated in order to like make themselves look better or you know sort of sort of like legendary grandiosity but it's really awful like it's hard to and then it's all done kind of like in a way that god is like cheer the cheerleader and also like the you know helping them out in their wholesale slaughter of the canaanites dang so as a as a christ is like the cheerleader and also like the, you know, helping them out in their wholesale slaughter of the Canaanites. Dang. So as a Christian, like as someone who comes from like the New Testament,

where it's, you know, God is love and as Homer points out to God, God is love. It's really like, it's really hard to read those books. But at the same time, it's, you know, it is historical. It's historical not just for them, but it's historical for human history. We are religious or we think we're good, but we're also, we've also, you know it is a it is historical it's historical not just for them but it's a circle for human history we are religious or we think we're good but we're also we've also you know slaughtered each other in the millions so it's something that we have to like deal with in our own in our own like nature so it is it is an interesting book in that way that it's how they deal with that time period and the Bible also it you know it also is like I don't how to say it but it you know the the Bible also, it, you know, it also is like,

I don't know how to say it, but it, you know, the, their view of God changes over time and their, and their theology changes. So like, it's not always the same, but the book was kind of like, it's very interesting how the book was put together, like in a nonjudgmental way, not just in the way that stories overlap and contradict each other, but also that they don't like try to change facts in order to make themselves look better you know like king david is a jerk like he's a horrible jerk even in samuel he's a jerk like the whole story of david and bathsheba like you know like he's he's like sitting in his palace and he sees this woman on a roof and he falls in love with her and then he's powerful enough that he like can you know get her sent to him and then he they're they're committing

adultery because she's married and her husband is like this totally loyal soldier to david this guy named uriah so then he impregnates bathsheba now this now the truth is going to come out so then he has uriah brought back to the palace he tries to arrange it so they'll have sex so then they can kind of cover up how she got really pregnant but uriah because part of like the oath of a soldier to king david is you don't have sex well well in battle well in during the war so you don't have sex in battle during the war. So he won't have sex with Bathsheba because he's such a loyal soldier, even when David gets him drunk and attempts to get this done. So then he has Uriah sent back to the war, but with a note to his commander. He has Uriah bring this note back that tells the commander to send Uriah into battle and have him killed.

And so Uriah is killed in battle so then he can he can marry bathsheba and david's not so great no yeah so you know like this is like but the bible doesn't hide that so it has like the david and goliath story but also has this story about him you know so it doesn't try to gloss over it and it even has him condemned by a by a prophet named nathan to me it's very i find out these kind of stories very fascinating i really want to see i love all stories very fascinating. I really want to see, I love all this Bible knowledge, but I really want to see

how VeggieTales handles these stories, especially The Walls of Jericho. I just imagine... I would like that too. If I could stand to watch one of those, I would definitely.

I have a feeling that they take the stories and they're very much, whatever they used to call it, bouldlerized after this guy. I just imagine them turning... Shakespeare. I just imagine them turning this... Shakespeare. I can see them turning the entire city

into just a big salad, moving on. They leave town, yeah. I mean, boy, it would have been crazy to see Bart doing all that machine stuff in there. I like the 90s blockbuster text, too. With Bart breaking it, too? Yeah, yeah. D versus G2 Stone Cold.

Probably written before. We were at the birth of Stone Cold Steve Austin. Yeah, yeah. Did he emerge from the creamery yet? Oh, yeah. He'd been around for a couple years at this point, though I don't think it's a reference to that. No.

The intro reminds me of the Rocky IV opening of the two boxing gloves hitting each other. And then we get the show's third Davian Goliath reference in the history. They really did Davian Goliath a lot on this show. I understand. Because if you were their age, and I imagine that a lot of these writers are my age

when they're writing these, so we have equivalent generation. If you grew up on a boring Sunday morning, Davy and Goliath was great because there was nothing to watch unless you wanted to watch Kenneth Copeland. There was really nothing to watch in the morning, so Davy and Goliath, despite its religiosity,

was just great. In fact, I never realized it was religious when I was a kid. I didn't know that. I just thought boy it was a boy and his dog as like a young person like maybe around 12 or 11 like discovering irony for the first time i didn't know it'd be my future but uh i i would watch this occasionally on tv and just be fascinated with just how tepid it is just like like like the warmest of lukewarm bath water. You're just laying in it. Nothing is happening. The conflict is very low stakes.

Nothing is really moving too fast. It's just a nice sedative. Well, it was produced by a church, wasn't it? Yes, and the man who made Gumby, Art Clokey. Yeah, I knew Art Clokey was involved in it, but I thought that it was financed or partly financed by an actual church organization. So he probably had to tone it down to keep those guys happy. I believe it was.

Yeah. But yeah, in this case, the Davy and Goliath is Santa's little helper engaging in it. You've gotten awfully fat, Davy. That's rude of you to say but i guess it's him it's him telling him he's gotten soft since he last beat previous goliath which this is basically the plot of uh actually creed 2 as well from a few years ago it's all very raw it's more of a sports movie in this case or a boxing movie than a uh yeah it really was oh one more thing about david goliath when i watched the show it bothered me because the dog was very judgmental. And dogs

are the least judgmental creatures on the planet. That's true. I thought he was more like a Pinocchio character myself. He's like the conscience of Davey. He really is. Because his main line is like, I don't know, Davey. You know, you

didn't grow up when I grew up when Sunday mornings were really a desert for children. A desert. You know, like, that show is great. You know, you didn't grow up when I grew up, when Sunday mornings were really a desert for children. A desert. You know, like, that show is great. You don't understand that. I don't know. I mean, I grew up when just Saturday and Sunday daytime TV were just, like, the longest, most boring Disney movies

from the 60s were on, or just some forgotten black and white movies. It was a desert. Yeah, like, even with cable, just with cable, it was inescapable. Just the worst entertainment. My parents were great. We always had cable. My wife grew up with three channels

until she was a young adult. That's crazy. That's child abuse, I think. Yes. Goliath 2 arrives. He challenges David to paddle. And Bart really screws up by not having a...

If he's going to have a slingshot, he should really have a rock in hand to be ready for it. But it just hit me in this viewing of like, of course Bart's David because of a slingshot. I just got that now. The slingshot, he's got no rock for it,

so Goliath picks him up and actually slingshots him instead. It's a fun reversal. Yeah. Then Nelson's proclamation of ha-ha-ha goes out, and very obviously Mike Scully's daughters are drawn into the crowd, so ha-ha back. When I first took these notes, I said very specific background characters are laughing and then i got to the commentary and someone pointed that's your

family isn't it he's like yes it is uh well that's great you want to make the showrunner happy put his family in there the his daughters had just appeared in the uh screaming yellow honkers already i guess like once you're drawn into the show, once you become a background character, like how all the directors are just background characters sometimes in the show. David is defeated, and he's losing hope until he meets a young boy. That's good.

Let my proclamation go out across the land! Ha ha! Ha ha! Whoa! Oh, I hope this doesn't get into the Bible. You're King David. I love you because you kill people. Get yourself another hero, kid.

I'm all washed up. Well, I guess it's up to Ralph to stop Goliath. Goliath 2 is really gonna pay. Get ready to meet the first action hero. Wow. Boy, I love that joke. I love a smash cut to a tombstone. Every smash cut to a tombstone is so funny.

What was the episode we did? Because they always do the bong, the big church bell. What was the episode we did where there's a smash cut to a graveyard, then it pans over to the hospital? Was that kidney trouble or something? No, it was the hippie one. Oh, yeah. Where he gets shot in the face.

They do a smash cut to the graveyard. And Matt Selman, the younger younger writer and by that i mean he's now 53 as of this recording probably he was my age savvy about uh referencing the 80s which was a new thing in 1999 so weren't corny 80s movies fun how about the the movie over the top yeah that's why they use that specific song there the winter takes the fall like but it's so funny these other the other comedy writers on the show and he was the young guy they were professionals in the 80s so they had like no nostalgia for a bad movie they were gonna see that they were busy working on their own bad movies so they don't give a crap about a some stallone film about about arm wrestling the

tombstone struck me because it seems to say that Ralph is five. That's always bothered me, but it's such a funny joke that I'll let it pass. He should be eight. It is funny that the dates count backwards from BC. I do like that. That's a funny biblical gag. That's good.

That they know they're in BC somehow. There will be a Christ, and then we'll start counting up. And we're 900 years away from him. There'll be a be a crazy then there'll be some crazy monk who will count backwards using the bible to figure out when when zero ad is i also like uh ralph's pronouncement of uh i love you because you i like you because you kill yeah because you kill people yes that's good uh and yeah that uh that this montage gag it's not that montage jokes were you know never done before but this is three years before south park will do their famous montage uh bits

like and then do it again he had a montage so they did it twice then they did twice and then they do it well they also do it in team america they just use the same song again though i can't see they're really busy on team america so like can we just use the same song again though they're really busy on team america so can we just use the montage song again we wrote it but this felt uh yeah this does feel novel at the time now jokes about training montages are as old as time itself they're about as dated as montages now about as lame yes actually i guess i miss montages in 99 or 2000 that's when wet hot american summer was too when they did the higher and higher yeah montage song classic so many great montage jokes is that a reference oh my god is that a reference to meatballs and oh and that one yes yeah yeah totally bart goes through a training montage with all the sheeps that can no longer be shepherded.

I also like that the sheep say, wow. Yeah, that's a good one. So Bart is properly trained. He says it's giant slaying time in a very ADR kind of line. I also really love the gag that Bart's grappling hook keeps killing guys and it can't grab on to anything. I think the original joke was that uh he eventually would cut to him having pulled down so many guys he can climb their bodies up to the top but i guess they thought it was too dark or maybe not fun as funny

as that's pretty grisly for bart to do not as funny as giant corn holders we get to see the the whale with jonah oh yeah jonah yes that that's good. You died the way you lived, inside a whale. Speaking of, so we just talked about Strangers with Candy a few hours ago. It's the first episode, right?

The funniest, he died as he lived, is in that show. He died as he lived, committing suicide. I forgot that show. Oh, God. But like, Jonah's pretty separate from David in the Bible, isn't he?

Or am I miscounting here? Yeah, there are different time periods. They wouldn't have known each other. They would not have known each other. No, they would have been friends. There's no Bible clubhouse where they'll hang out together. He just ripped off Pinocchio. Come on.

Yes, that's right uh but uh yes yeah the corn holders is a funny little gag that he apparently got a giant a giant piece of corn that he threw the holders out to that's just wasteful yeah take the holders out before you throw them and try finding corn holders that aren't shaped like corn it's impossible i have some oh wow that's blasphemy how are you going to remember what you're eating mine are shaped like the front and back end of a cow oh well that's kitschy so it works i mean the corn holder shaped like corn is kitschy that's why i like it

we also have the corn ones but we have we also have ones that we are we got for making butter at a fair that's when company comes over oh man uh so bart gets into the room where goliath is goliath is smoking his cigar i will give them credit too they established that the lamp is there used to light his cigar so it's not a cheat that bart just pulls this lamp out of nowhere and and throws it down his throat like it was there before. But yes, part is, or sorry, David confronts Goliath. Two. I trampled four giant slayers today. I think I earned this.

Don't you know smoking stunts your growth? Well, well, well, if it isn't the little prince. I'm not afraid of you, Goliath. Before I was arrogant, but now my is humble, and my spirit is... What do you know? A king fit for a meal. Hope I don't give you heartburn. And yes, that causes Goliath 2 to explode.

I guess he's just full of gas from all the giant slayers bart is right to assume that that explosion would definitely kill him because that explosion was internal on goliath 2 while david was outside of it so it's not too crazy that he thinks he survived or that he didn't survive but also it's impressive in this uh show that like they asked them to part the red sea they asked them to do full redesigns of the characters for multiple periods biblical uh eras and then they asked the animators like hey can you parody the churnabog scene from fantasia oh yeah that please poor nancy cruz for her first episode it's uh it seemed like a real what are they oh the uh the fantasia night on bald mountain uh scene oh yeah yeah just coming out of the mountain like the devil yeah the demon yeah that's right yeah yeah they play the same music sting and

everything for his rise which uh also in a very video gamey way it felt like a final boss fight because the explosion creates a big circular flat area it's a second form but yes bart i love bart saying the blast that killed that failed to kill me surely killed the giant and so nelson reappears and bart gets saved by an unlikely person who died and for no reason is alive again. Great news, everyone. Goliath is dead. Although I haven't seen his body, the blast that failed to kill me surely killed the giant. Anywho, now that I'm your king again. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ralph, I thought you were dead. Nope. Ha.

Rejoice, good people. Goliath the Terrible shall rule no more. But Goliath was the greatest king we ever had. What? He built roads, hospitals, libraries. To us, he was Goliath the Consensus Builder. You're under arrest for Megasize. Where's your Messiah now?

That moment with Ralph is so great. I really feel like it's an accentuation of the moment in an action movie of this era where the villain has the hero pinned and you hear a gunshot and you think the villain has shot the hero, but really the hero's buddy who you thought died shot the villain from behind. Totally. That's what it really feels like. There's like 30 movies where that happens. I just love the flatness of the character.

It's like, I thought you died. Nope. No explanation. No explanation. Don't need anything. I like in this one, there's two Ralph jokes that are just hard cuts to another thing that really just makes you laugh. Yeah, it's just like, nope. Like just a very kiddie statement.

Yeah, I think, Bob, that happens in, like, every Lethal Weapon movie. Yeah. That's just the partner. Yeah, I didn't realize that was such a specific trope they were doing there. I thought it was just funny, like, that Ralph just isn't dead because, for plot reasons, he's not dead. Yeah, he needs to save Bart. But it's actually the same in the action movies. For plot reasons, he's not dead yeah he needs to save bart uh but it's actually the same in the action movies for plot reasons he's not really dead yeah it was it was just uh just grazed him it was just a little

flesh wound easy it looks worse than it is uh i feel like that megicide joke only makes sense if you remember what regicide is from bart of darkness all the way back in the season six episode well you can also say well it's like if homicide is killing a person mega psych can become a giant too yeah it's true but i do love you have selected regicide and that part it's funny too that the no rocky movie or no stallone movie no schwarzenegger movie would end with the hero being arrested and going to jail and just such a down note yeah but but that uh that goliath too was an incredibly great leader with such a funny reveal i like that too yeah that's also good yeah we call them the consensus builder uh but yes bart awakes from his dream uh in the parting

shot of his dream i like that he even in his dream sees it as a bart simpson dream like that he has to get a his logo his production company and uh and also another just great shot is like the burning tower and nelson's corpse in the shot like it's a really good like pull out right yeah like a crane shot almost and the movie again so, so ambitious. Nancy Cruz and her team were given a whole lot to do on this. And the final thing they are tasked to do is to draw the biblical apocalypse. Just do that. That seems pretty easy, right? It's funny because I think despite...

I mean, Catholics don't talk about the rapture. It's just some weird story or whatever. But I think this is the first time I heard about the rapture as an idea. And this was before it was a left-behind style joke. Like, can you believe it? Oh, yes. Before those books. I mean, the book series could have existed.

But I don't know if they were Kirk Cameron movies yet. No, no. And now they were more quote-unquote legit Nicolas Cage movies. That Nicolas Cage one is fantastic. And I mean that in so crazy. Oh, I know what you mean. I thought you were actually praising that film as an artistic achievement.

Oh, no, no. I just remember reading articles about the books at a website in the late 90s, early 2000s where they just break it down chapter by chapter, and it was sort of like the can-you-believe-this kind of commentary. Well commentary well yeah yeah they they were the books you'd see i feel like in 1999 if i went to a walmart i would see a lot of them of just like these the super best-selling book series like they were they were definitely popular but yes when you when you read what happens in them, they sound kind of crazy. Kind of?

Yeah, kind of. The Simpsons will even do a parody of it in like five or six years after this, where Homer watches a left-behind film and then imagines it happening to his family. And in that one, I remember one guy is drowning and he says, like, why did I choose to be gay? That's right. Oh, God. Oh, yeah god oh yeah so yeah the book series started in 95 ended in 2007 uh 16 books so they were in existence

not quite kirk cameron movies yet still 50 shy of the 66 in the bible though try harder so i guess if you were if you were sort of a hip hip person that would have been sort of a bubbling under you know curiosity that you might might have heard about oh when i was a kid the stories of the you know apocalypse all the stuff in revelations it did scare me like i it it really freaked me out for the idea of the end of the world like i think probably it also didn't help that i saw ghostbusters, like, four or five. And so those visions of the apocalypse always stuck with me as childhood fears. When I was forced to go to mass for school, when I ran out of ways to fold my hymnal booklet,

I would often go just read Revelations and just, like, try to find the craziest stuff in there, like dragons and beasts and fire and, you know, destruction and things like that. Like, hey, all the cool stuff is back here when I'm bored. And what's sort of funny about Revelation is that it was written as a way of kind of like, as a way of calming the worries of like Christians of that time who were like, you know, being persecuted by the Romans and being sent to work in salt mines and things like that. And it's kind of like, don't worry, everything's going to be okay. It's there's like justice at the end of this you know it's it's really the uh just you wait

book yeah it should be called that you're gonna feel bad so there so there not not that we can understand a word of what it what it means nowadays like anyone who tells you they know what revelation is saying is a liar but i heard that one guy say he could predict the last the end of the world all i know is that barcodes are the work of the devil and i don't buy anything with a barcode on it is that in there is a barcode in there uh people think the mark of the beast are barcodes oh that's right i mean they they really assign that to anything they don't like the mark of the beast it's pretty much uh but yes the uh let's hear our final clip here of the simpsons slept through the end of the world oh no it's the apocalypse what are you wearing clean underwear not anymore

it's the rapture and i never knew true love i never used those pizza coupons. Why aren't we ascending into heaven? Oh right, the sins. Where do you think you're going, Missy? Dad! Ooh, I smell barbecue. Hey, look. Oh, there are the hot dogs. And the coast law has pineapple in it.

German potato salad. I'm on my highway to hell. Good final joke about German potato salad. but it seems it is a literal can i can i test your knowledge then because i don't know what what is german potato salad oh i looked it up it's i did too have you ever had anyone this podcast i don't think i've ever had german potato salad but as a mayo hater i think i'd actually really like it because i don't like regular potato salad because of all the mayonnaise But German potato salad is mayonnaise free And it's more just like diced potatoes

Hanging out together It's got a vinegar base It's usually more savory With little pieces of bacon in it sometimes I've had that Or I've had a variant of that I could go for that over Again, I hate mayonnaise

I don't like coleslaw So I wouldn't even care if there were pineapples in it. I just wouldn't eat it anyways. One way or the other. Trying to find out what was in German potato salad was fun because you have to read through 800 freaking words on any recipe website before you can find out what's in something. How do you mean? Are they describing it or giving you a story of how it came to be Well the weird format for almost

Every recipe and I've been doing Cooking lately after getting like a new kitchen Stuff so I've been looking at recipes Is that you often have to suffer through Like a 2000 word essay About how they found the ingredients Or like a related story like my husband and I Were vacationing in Vermont

We happened upon the coziest store They sold us this brand of honey and it goes on and on and on then you find out they're making bundt cake or something like that it's how they max out impressions on the websites i guess they make you scroll through as much of it as possible but i guess that's that's the i guess that's it how long you stay there also is uh counts for them but uh it's funny that homer it actually is literally a barbecue down there like homer homer thinks hell is a barbecue but then it actually is it's just a not as good barbecue and uh the highway to hell song very good choice uh very on the nose in a fun way

apparently they uh asked to clear it and it was just too expensive but mike scully somehow knew the band's manager or someone who worked with ACDC, and he got in contact with him, and he told him what they wanted to use it for, and I believe he got a major discount. And apparently the manager never heard the request. The label just shut them down.

It never got to the manager. So they were able to get Highway to Hell because Mike Scully knew somebody. Get it in. Yeah. I mean, yeah, Highway to Hell is a very, I know it's very expensive because of pro wrestling, Bob. And they got to clear that for Disney Plus now. They must have done it.

Yeah. And in WWF, the year before this episode aired, Highway to Hell was the theme song for their SummerSlam show. And it was played on every raw every promotion of it but then after that year was up they didn't want to pay acdc again for any reruns of it so they just had to remove it from any archived summer slam or raw because they're like this is just too much money this acdc i mean that song is like that is a hard rock classic like capital c classic so i understand why it's so expensive i love that they gave them the friends discount because the simpsons they i guess they just like the simpsons so much too right it would make the song seem cool

too yeah yeah yeah it's an investment they probably like the simpsons so it'd be honored to be have your song in that show and uh i this is the era of mean to lisa jokes and this might be the greatest one yeah she is denied rapture eternal love and paradise and just to be mean to her like that again that is one of those jokes that just made me feel sad of like that's too mean i believe on the commentary george meyer really laughs that joke says that's the role of your family in life. Yeah, I think that's more what it's about, actually. I think it's more like the pettiness of your family more than about you can't succeed.

Like no one can succeed in their own family. It's a real crab bucket mentality thing. I love Homer's statement, even like, where do you think you're going, Missy? Like that he's trying to tell a little kid like hey you can't go there yet like or whatever yeah also great designs on the four horsemen i like that too so many designs in this episode so many horses too mean too much they they they made him do too much but what a success man at least animation wise a great success there's sometimes it's a little too cute in all the biblical jokes but i think you know it's an achievement of the production team to be sure i think at this point they really earned the uh let's see these characters in a different setting

sort of idea i think uh we know these characters well enough that we can easily see them kind of doing anything and they really have a lot of fun with it i am a fan of these episodes i do like the uh upcoming uh very soon, Tall Tales one. Very, very funny. Yeah, just coming to it, I don't even know if I ever saw this originally, so I don't remember it. So it was interesting to watch,

and yeah, I didn't mind. I mean, I didn't mind the corny jokes either, because I'm a real fan of corny jokes. That's good. But I thought it was fun, and I thought it was kind of daring in a way that their approach to it all was... The only one they kind of played it safe with was the Exodus one.

But maybe because it's sort of gruesome, they thought they should kind of tone it down. Or maybe it was a little bit of kind of bargaining to have the more violent David and Goliath one. Oh, well, David, yeah, I just wanted to... Thanks like, you gave us so much insight into the roots of these stories. We really appreciate it. I've learned that I've forgotten so much. You learned you forgot so much. Yeah, that's, me too. I'm trying, I was struggling to remember things sometimes, but that's okay.

I'm no expert. Oh, please tell us where we can find your podcast and tell us more about Sparks and where we can find you online, all that good stuff. Okay, well, sure. Our flagship podcast, Sticky Dragon, comes out every week. And you can find it at StickyDragon.com, which is where all our other podcasts are. We have done kind of like single subject podcasts on the Beatles called Completely Beatles. We did a Tintin one called Totally Tintin. I hope you see a trend here. And then we just recently did one on the Marx Brothers.

We went through all the Marx Brothers films. So the idea of each podcast is The Beatles, when we went chronologically through all their songs and all their albums from Please Please Me to Abbey Road, which is the official last album of The Beatles, and chronologically. We did the same with Tin Tin. And also we like to talk about history

and kind of give a sense of the context and what was happening in the lives of these people as they're producing all this great art, whether it's the Marx Brothers or Hergé or the Beatles. And then Ian and I have started a new podcast called The Fansplainers, which is a spoiler movie podcast where we just go very in-depth into a film

and with no holds barred, we tell you right away that we're going to have spoilers. And sometimes we don't like a movie and we try to make it better and sometimes we just sort of rave about a film and then i do a podcast with my daughter called sneaky dragon listening party which is a music podcast where we we listen to music and talk about the history of the songs and about making mixtapes and uh it's also very fun so we have a lot of different shows but they're all available on sneaky dragon.com

excellent go there and find all our other podcasts Yes, Sparks is a fantastic story. It's an all-ages story. Of course, it's marketed by Scholastics for kids, but I think it's a book that any grown-up can read or any kid can enjoy at any age. And it's about two cats who want to be heroes, but no one will take cats seriously as heroes, so they create a robotic dog costume and can be heroes.

And it's really good. The first book is great i think and someone had to stare at the pages of it for months i never got tired of it so it's really speaks how great it is yeah and right now i'm we're doing sparks too which is going to come out in august uh 2020 excellent yeah so yeah it's been uh they're really great books i think or really it is a really great book and i the next one is is lots of fun as well. And Nina Matsumoto, a friend of Talking Simpsons, did the art for Sparks. And she is a fantastic cartoonist. Her drawings are so dynamic. And she just gives so much feeling of movement and excitement and action.

I just love her art. So it's a great team. And then Ian Boothby, who's also been on your show, is a really funny writer and is really good at how he makes his plots. And he loves to have emotional elements to them. So the stories aren't just silly. They also have a deep emotional element. So they repay rereading and they're a lot of fun.

So enjoy those if you like graphic novels. I heartily recommend it. Not just because my girlfriend drew the entire thing. You better pre-order Sparks. But yeah, they are like removing myself because i don't i'm not really like the creator of them i i colored them but i didn't have part in the writing and the and the you know the creating of the drawings and stuff so i can kind of be unbiased and say like you know someone who is connected to it but not intimately

i think it's i think there's fantastic stories so i highly recommend them i will implore our listeners go out and pre-order Sparks 2. Have you seen what kids are reading these days? They should be reading Sparks 2. That's my opinion. That's right. Save them from Dog Man. Yeah.

Those books are drawn in like three seconds. Tossed off. Dog Man, get out of here. Well, thank you so much for being on the podcast, Dave. Oh, thank you for having me. It's been a real pleasure. So thanks again to Dave Dedrick for joining us on today's episode. Check out all of his stuff at sneakydragon.com.

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All the way You heard me. Bam-moose!