Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Simpsons Safari With Ian Jones-Quartey

Episode Date: November 17, 2021

It's a big Simpsons travel episode, and we're welcoming the awesome returning guest Ian Jones-Quartey, creator of OK KO and Executive Producer on Steven Universe. After a string of jokes about unionized labor, the family goes to Africa for a bunch of very generalized ideas of the continent of Africa. There are hippos, poachers, diamonds, and so much more in this week's podcast, so grab your mosquito nets! Support this podcast and get hundreds of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the new official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

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I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, ahoy everybody and welcome to Talking Simpsons, the podcast that's just like going to sleep inside a giant blender. I'm your host, the mouth-watering monkey, Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons, who is here with me today in the same room. Hey, it's Henry Gilbert. And I wish Maggie went to the emergency room more often. And who do we have on the line? Hey, I'm Ian Jones-Cordy and I dedicate my appearance to the hard-working bag boys of America. And today's episode is Simpson Safari. My teacher said I need cupcakes.

Cupcakes to learn. And the card. I'm out of wine. Card. Today's episode aired on April 1st, 2001. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh my God. Oh, boy, Bobby.

WrestleMania 17 happens in Houston. It's an end of an era for pro wrestling. Both Undergrads and Oblongs premiere on television. And the only Simpsons video game for the Game Boy Color night of the living treehouse of horror is released that's right i often forget about that one because i uh never played it when it was new it was only one of those ones like 10 years later i do a research on writing some feature of every simpsons game ever and then i see that one i was like what the hell i didn't even know that existed it was the waning days of the game boy color when everything was just being shoveled onto it

because it had an audience of 80 million people or more. Yeah, it's interesting. I watched an hour-long... If you know what you're doing in the game, apparently a long play will only take an hour. The plus side on it is it's fun to see Game Boy Color tech used to animate jokes from The Simpsons. On the downside, while they did pay for the danny elfman

opening theme to simpsons it's one of those situations where it sounds like the only theme they paid for and you're gonna hear it over and over and over again i mean if they pay for it you gotta use it yeah that i mean that goes to all of your compositions you have no money for other composers there's king homer stage there's a hide from the teachers elisa's stage is just a stealth game of hiding from teachers trying to eat you it's it's a nightmare cafeteria yes yeah that's cool yeah it's kind of a sneaking mission even but uh i i don't think it's you know metal gear level of quality there it just dumped out by thq in uh in 2001 near the end there i believe yeah i think the simpsons full skipped the gba but had a ds game for uh as part

of the many the simpsons games out there this is very unimportant but i just remembered one fact about this game that drives me crazy is that some of the levels are named after the treehouse of horror segments they're based on but some of the levels are named after the treehouse of horror segments they're based on but some of them just have new names for no reason yes yeah that's which bothers me i also noticed that if you let the game just um go to its on the start screen just go through it it plays the credits apparently that's the only way to see the credits because it doesn't play when you beat the game in the long play and i you know credit to the creators on it they actually gave themselves uh scary halloween names in the credits so that's fun yeah good for them

but yes also wrestlemania 17 or x7 as the logo is it was uh what they knew their fans couldn't count yeah well you know it's still it's uh we're still in the 2000 core they got to bring an x to it to make it cool it's uh for wrestling fans it was known as the best wrestlemania ever and it also was the the end of the monday night wars era because wcw had just shut down and been bought by the wwf there was no more wcw it was it was when a lot of people stopped watching because they're like their their favorite guys were gone yeah so it's a major moment in wrestling history it's another of those many moments when i do when we do the history here of like oh the 90s are over kind of

just like signposts and and that's one of them there what was the other item this always happens on the intros where i'm so distracted by one of the news items I forget the third. Well, you're right to forget Undergrads and Oblongs. That's right. An Undergrads revival movie was kickstarted and people are still waiting for that to take form. Can't wait to see the

adventures of Nitz, Gimpy, I forget the rest. Oh, dear little Gimpy. What was the Asian girlfriend's name in that? I don't remember But here's the thing That Undergrads guy, I'm sure he's a very nice guy The thing is he did no animation before or after

And the reason why, and this sounds made up but it's not MTV had a contest saying We'll make your show He was the only one who entered That is why he was able to have his own show and did nothing uh animation related after that wow man so there you have it enter every contest compare that to the mtv's downtown show which have like everybody who starts titmouse and like it it's this launching pad for all these guys from this comparative show that's also about a group of nerds and an Asian girlfriend that the guy ends up with in the season finale.

Yeah, when I worked in New York, basically all of my bosses were MTV Downtown or Beavis or Daria people. I love undergrads. I remember liking when I was younger because I was like, well, they said a thing from Star Wars. I know that line from Star Wars. Right. But Downtown was, yeah, Downtown. The Downtoners was the name for Mission Hills. It keeps messing me up here.

But on Downtown, it was about self-hating nerds who were like, but I don't want to be a nerd and own all these toys. People judge me for it. Like, I connected more with that i think it was a little it was ahead of its time yeah for sure and meanwhile oblongs like a stellar cast but like nobody watched it was uh then it lived on cartoon network for adult swim for a very long time yeah it turned into adult swim fodder but it was one of the things that was greenlit when there was an animation boom then by the time it, the boom was a bust and they just got rid of it immediately.

I actually somehow watched Oblongs when it was on Adult Swim and Mission Hill also. Because I was like, I was raring to go on those shows. I think Henry and I watched Home Movies when it was on UPN, which no one remembers. I definitely watched Home Movies on UPN. Because wasn't that when they first got wrestling was the same season I believe so yeah because I remember watching both of those things and like seeing home movies promos during wrestling it's kind of surreal to think about uh you know I missed the first I i missed the first couple episodes of home movies i came in on the third one and it was just channel flipping and the second i saw squiggle vision i

was like oh what there's another thing well they knew wrestling fans would appreciate the comedy of paula poundstone oh yes and oblongs they got will ferrell before it was cool to get will ferrell and stuff like they got will ferrell before he became the biggest movie star of like the next five years after well not the biggest but like comedy movie star he was the comedy guy period yeah now who do we have yeah and hey uh i always liked uh the theme song i mean more than they might be giants isn't bad i love when they do themes or commercials or what have you they're they're owed to courage the cowardly dog i it rings in my head uh but uh but anyway yes welcome back to our good buddy and animation

superstar ian jones cordy hey glad to be back i wonder ian were you watching the show in in late season 12 at the time so i was trying to so it was really funny when you reached out about this episode, because I didn't, I've never seen this episode. Wow. Around season 12. So I was, this was 2001. I was like fully, very online. You know, I think I had joined Something Awful like earlier that year. And I was, but I had been like reading it forever and i had also been

reading like animation news groups simpsons news groups but also going to like simpsons forums and like lurking on them and i think like around this time i was so uh i was so disenchanted uh with the simpsons and i would read you know i would read all these forums of people like bagging on the show and saying it sucks now that i was really just like i'm going to stop watching so i just stopped and it stopped being um it stopped being appointment television for me and so this episode i never saw i did see trilogy of error when that first aired which is the next episode and i also saw new kids on the black so i think what it was was i just sort of became like hey it's not appointment viewing but if i'm around if it's eight o'clock on sunday night and i'm not

doing something else i'm not like drawing or playing video games i'll watch it but this one somehow i just never saw it and i don't i never saw it in repeats either i fully expected when i loaded up the episode that maybe like a second or two in i'd be like oh yeah i kind of remember this one but it never happened like this is a brand new episode for me well ian much like you i devoted a lot of time to hating the simpsons online but i also wasted my time watching it every sunday it was still appointment tv because uh i think i hope this doesn't happen anymore maybe it's actually much worse but young men uh a lot of them a lot of the nerdy variety they make part of their personality disliking a television show and that was definitely me until i started let's say dating more so So just like, Simpsons is bad.

Family Guy is bad. Ask me. Invite me to every party. I just, I was just like, I don't know. I was in a weird, dark place where I was just like, Simpsons is bad now. I can't trust anything. You know, I was definitely going, I mean, 2001,

I was going through some like harsh teenage, like, you know, I would just get anything that like had a little bit of something I hated about it. I would just be like fully in the trash. And I think I did that to The Simpsons, too. You know, I was like one of those people who was like, oh, these specific writers, I don't like them. And and I know that they worked on this one and this one. And, you know, it was years before i mellowed out and now now i don't know some of these season 12s they're not so bad i was like looking through the list i was

like yeah i would watch a few like a handful of these you know my uh listeners have heard me say it a million times i'll say quickly but yeah i mean my personal journey with with a lot of these episodes is being very angry in the year 2001 and feeling like this ruins the show or that ruins the show or this uh say an ending where the simpsons all end up with a pile of diamonds is bad and but now yeah i the turn i've made mentally is just like well this still has jokes in it that make me laugh and if i don't care about the universe of the simpsons and the lives they lead if i just completely drop caring about them as a world and just like oh how good is this at delivering jokes i go like oh that's uh that's all right that's a good joke that made

me laugh it's a john swartz welder special you know he wrote it because unions are crooked and make people lazy and also environmentalists they're also crooked and have ulterior motives yes yeah you can you can really feel uh the agendas radiating hard off of this episode there's some south park envy here too which i i note several times in the show of like they go oh south park did this can't we have i i felt that at the end of our bully the like oh bullies are all it's a science and it's a scent that like that felt like such a out of left field south park kind of ending that seems like it makes a point but it's not technically a point it's just like a silly thing and same deal with this that it feels like well what's the point like well isn't jane good all evil like or what if she

was like yeah i mean i i actually remember at the time like in around this time 2001 2002 i did actually really feel like oh the simpsons is chasing these other shows it wants to be family guy and it wants to be south park if i want that i'll watch those shows and i did and i stopped watching the simpsons i think that's kind of what happened yeah i think i think they lost some of their confidence for sure uh but yeah as far as a trip episode it sounds like they just you know on the board had a sign that said you know the simpsons go to africa what do we do with that yeah larry doyle wrote that on an x card and handed it to john schwartzwelder he pitched the idea so that's all we know which uh yeah as far as i was worried i had forgotten other than the ending

and the bag stuff i had kind of forgotten their specific jokes about africa and i was worried going in i thought like how poorly will this have aged i don't it didn't it didn't seem as bad as i feared it was i don't know about you guys well i think the reason why I think it's, you know, and like I said, I mellowed out a lot. I understand these are decisions by people who made the show. They're just trying to get a script out. I get it. But the reason why I think it sucks is because it's so unspecific. Yes.

And, you know, Africa is basically just like a melange of, know stereotypes and lion king parodies there are some names of their of real places but it really does seem like they could have just looked at a map and said this place is this place because nothing seems uh nothing seems particularly uh referenced or you know there's no like specifics about it at all. Like, you know, and that's the thing I think is is worse because comedy is funnier when it's like very like pinpointed and specific about specific places and people and stuff. And the fact that, you know, their vision of Africa is like super generic, you know. Yeah, it's by no means original. A lot of media also has the the country of africa here we are what a big country not knowing it's like well there's lots of countries lots of people

lots of cultures there are cities there are cars there's lots going on in africa but it's like no here we are in the country of africa where all parts are the same yeah it's uh so you know in that sense it's like a little disappointing you know the Simpsons went to Rio, it was all things that are in Rio and specific stuff that's there. This is kind of just like, oh, it's just general. I don't know. We watched The Lion King a couple times and the comics must be crazy. Some of the stuff in it feels like Gen X guys saying, well, I remember a cover of National Geographic being this or whatever. Yeah.

It's like, what are the 15 things we know about Africa? Go. Put these in a script. But that in itself, I guess, you know, it's really unspecific and that's stupid. But the parts of the episode that feel like it feels some parts of it feel like a uh sequel to call of the simpsons in a way where it's just like oh the simpsons doing wacky stuff in a jungle yes yeah i know i know i noted there's like four jokes in here at least that i was like well this is just kind of a joke we note that a lot of like oh this is a joke you did like five years ago. Do you guys remember you did that joke five years ago or,

or not? I, uh, you know, to hear director Mark Kirkland talk about it on the commentary, think honestly, this could have been even more of a generalized Africa as an idea or things.

Cause he had the very Mark Kirkland mentions that in his youth, like I believe when he was 16, followed his father to the production of documentary ish film visit to a chief's son which was filmed in kenya and so he and with the messiah people so he i think he at least care he sounded on the commentary they did take some pride like well you know the messiah people do this or the mount kilimanjaro is not that close to victoria falls or whatever he was kind of appalled by the geography in the script yeah but yeah if you want to watch this movie visit to a chief son it's on youtube in

full and if you ever thought i love empty nest what if the main character was in africa well richard mulligan is the star of visit to a chief son he's lighting up the screen yeah and i will say before we start uh like we can see what the priorities were in 2001 compared to now because they get frank welker for this episode because yes of course there are all these animals frank needs to come in and do them there are 30 new african characters ah dan and hank can come in and do those now 2021 it's like no black black actors play black characters indian actors play indian characters and so on but then it was like well frank can play animals but yeah dan can play uh the guide or whatever yeah it's just i mean you know it was the style of the time yeah it just

really shows how how things have changed for the better for sure for sure it is crazy to think when you put it that way of like well we gotta hire frank welker welker is the animal specialist but no no other new actors for the episode it's uh yeah it does seem kind of it does seem kind of out of proportion yeah i feel like the guide could have been one notable actor who originated from africa that would make sense yeah yeah at the very least you'd think they could hire an african-american person to play that role if they're not going to bother with an actual african actor which though they i mean they they work in hollywood i have to think there were at least a couple african actors they

could have had played the role then you probably just wanted to save some money that could be it yeah but yeah so the the episode begins first with the chalkboard gag about flushing evidence which i don't think there was anything specifically in the news at the time then is that like a midnight express reference or something like that you know like flushing cocaine down the toilet i i always think of goodfellas first scene of flushing drugs down a toilet that's my first thought i think of go oh well that's because we're uh we're doing trilogy of errors that's true anything gonna go for that uh but yeah and then also very strange this starts with a season four long ass circus couch gag and i don't know

why yeah because the episode needs help when i saw that couch when i saw the uh circus couch gag i was like oh boy yeah here we go it's old friend, the time killer, and made its debut with I Love Lisa in 1992. Though Scully barely used it. Oh, sorry. Lisa's first word. Yes. But Scully, it got used all the time in the Gene and Reese years because they said their episodes were always coming in short. Barely used in the 5, 6, 7, and 8, because Merkin and Oakley Weinstein didn't have,

usually had very long episodes. Scully, sort of, too. The only other episode that used it in his run was season 10's Monty Can't Buy Me Love, another Schwarzwalder one with also troubling geography. You know what? They actually bothered. Like, Loch Ness is here,

and this is the town that's around it. they cared a little bit more about Scotland's geography I'd say uh but Nessie was real yes Nessie is real yeah you know and pink and pink yeah which is which is accurate to real life I think what's also made me uh confused was oh they got this long opening that must means they cut a bunch of stuff but on the dvd no deleted scenes nothing so which is also uh interesting because kirkland shouts out a very specific deleted scene he wishes was on that i thought might be on the dvd and isn't something with chihuahuas yeah they as part of all of their crazy scenes of animals not acting the way they're supposed to them being

there's a scene where they're chased by a herd of chihuahuas through africa which is you know impossible but uh they apparently just cut it and kirkland's like we worked really hard on that to draw a herd of chihuahuas chasing a jeep in africa that sounds hard to draw yeah yeah but but nope no deleted scenes. The Simpsons will be right back. Fox Wednesday. Are you ready to play the Simpsons Survival Challenge? It's a full hour of The Simpsons on a special night and time.

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So we start with a bunch of Costco jokes. And just seeing the sign, it made me hungry for a big Costco hot dog. You know what? It bothers me because these are not Costco jokes. Because the quantities of food they're buying are normal grocery store quantities. So the sign is a parody, but the store is not. I've said my piece. It also really, really looks cosmo foods is just them drawing

over springfield grocery store yes yeah i think you're right it just has a different name exactly the same you know they they only have so many background artists in season 12 they're cutting down on staff it's just yeah not calling them out for that but you know i was like oh if they wanted to draw costco those have a specific look so it seems weird that they just use the regular store they never returned to monstro mart which was their costco you know that was actually better more specific jokes about costco you're right yeah yeah which uh again i miss i miss that big costco hot dog i never i never had a costco membership but when I worked at an office that was far away from actual like a city,

but a Costco was nearby, if the coworkers were like, hey, we're going to go to Costco. I was like, all right, yeah. $1.50 hot dog and soda. Big ass pizza slice, which, you know, for the price, not bad. As far as an opening parody thing,

I do like the idea of like, oh, Homer, what homer do when he grocery shops like homer is bad at grocery shopping it's sort of like when you're grocery shopping for the first time as a college student yeah yeah and also it's like oh dads would never grocery shop what's going on like that that kind of thing i did really like the run of their of their grocery store shopping yeah like all the all the stuff with them buying all the worst things for themselves it's great but you can just convince like if you have one parent that doesn't do these things as much as another parent you can get stuff

by them pretty easily yeah switch and we have the return of cupcakes yeah the season one currency of the simpsons maybe it's wartswell toalder calling back to Bart the General when he wrote that. But yes, the Homer goes shopping scene here, which also leads. My biggest laugh in the episode might be Bart's line in this one here. We need these because we have to. My doctor says and my garage mechanic agrees that. In the cart. Woohoo! You know, I always felt sorry for Mar agrees that... In the cart. Woo-hoo!

You know, I always felt sorry for Marge having to do the shopping, but this is kind of fun. Yeah, I wish Maggie had to go to the emergency room more often. Hmm, I never heard of a baby swaddling a magazine before. And I'm a doctor. I don't know if it matters, it was a time magazine does that matter oh this could be dangerous what what syrian hardliners are gaining influence maggie's very concerned about that too that baby swallowing a magazine does sound like something john swartzwalder wrote yes yeah and i love the very observational line of marge giving the doctor more information she's trying to take some authority but not too much he's like i noticed

this does that matter that is a good yeah i like that i also love the construction of that joke because hibbert could have said something like oh this looks like bad news or something that would have been like a cheesier setup but it does really catch you off guard i i love mar yeah the marge really good delivery on her of just like does that matter that's good but yeah the one that made me laugh because i completely have forgotten the this was one of those ones again where it's like i don't remember this in relation to the episode itself but uh i was like oh yeah why is homer doing it why is homer doing a thing marge always does and having bart just say like yeah i wish maggie had to go to the emergency room more

often it's just like this shocking line you're like wait what's happened to maggie what's going on with me she seems to be doing well yeah the magazine is occupying most of her chest cavity yeah it seems pretty dangerous for a baby to have done that i according to google if you if your baby eats paper and doesn't choke on it then uh the worst they'll get is an upset stomach apparently but yeah great drawing of the magazine inside of her though it's very funny then and they blur out the word time in the first shot because they didn't want to blow the joke apparently which i noticed that that's a good that's a good call whoever whoever did that made the right call at first it was distracting to me

like why is it so blurry because i thought like oh did their lawyers tell them hey you can't have the time logo that's what i thought first too until we saw it i felt like in the early aughts was when you started hearing things about medicinal beer or people saying like but you know actually march had a joke like that earlier and like see in the only move twice episode of medicinal wine but homer's saying like oh no my doctor and mechanic agree i should drink this beer that feels just like the beer cancel getting in the news of like actually science says it's good for you the verdict's still out i say that is a beer lover so then comes another scene i just love of homer being like the ultimate asshole this is jerk ass homer but in as good as it can be like it's it's funny in

a couple episodes homer has to be like ned's good friend helping him through uh trying to date again after the death of his wife and he's like what a good buddy hom Homer is. I'd rather they have Homer just be a man who is shoving a poor employee over and over again until he hits his limit. But yes, Homer causes a strike in this next clip. Stack it in the order. I'll eat it driving home. Sir, please. I've already bagged it by color and an order of each item's discovery by man. The customer's always right. That's what everybody likes about us.

Now mush! You tell him, Jumbo. And you, start over. I want everything in one bag. Yes, ma'am. But I don't want the bag to be heavy. Well, I don't think that's possible. What are you, the possible police?

Just do it. Hey, hey, watch what you're doing there, sack monkey. You're bruising my do-er-log. Hurry up. I can't stand here jabbing you all day. Please, ow, stop. Bag boys have feelings too, you know. No, you don't.

Excuse me, is there a problem here? No, I can handle it. Look at you, squealer. Ow, that's it. On behalf of Sackstuffer's Local 199, I can speak from experience as a former bagger. Although this episode made me realize that how radicalized I was against unions, or at least people were trying to radicalize me against them when I was a young worker. Because whenever I was hired and there were like no unions and there are even less now,

they would proudly say, we can pay you more because there is no union. And that means they started me at $5.25 instead of $5.15. Oh, wow wow it's like four four extra dollars per paycheck and no workers rights what a bargain i remember that i remember that too i was also a courtesy clerk as as my uh supermarket local supermarket called it i also bagged as a kid and yeah they specifically were like there is no union which is great for you yes i definitely believed it at the time because i didn't i was 15 i didn't know better yeah when i worked at amc movie theaters

in the training video was like and if somebody tries to tell you to join a union no you don't have to okay and actually your manager might want to know watching this though it it like unlocked some memories of being a bag boy when i was a bag boy there was another bagger at the store who when someone was giving him a ton of conflicting directions like make it paper make it plastic no put the paper inside the plastic he had like a little fit and threw a bag of rice down and exploded everywhere oh my god it's like i fucking quit and he just left the store and i thought it was so badass at the time now i'm like oh that was really sad you probably shouldn't have done that yeah i i had uh not a lot of problem customers there was some weird directions i got something close to put everything in one bag but don't want

don't make the bag heavy. Most of the time, what would insult me was people saying all bag. Cause they didn't trust you at all. But now I get it. I do it politely because I like to bag. I just, I like the act of bagging and I like to see that my things are in the way.

I like them. The only time I would get yelled at is when I would put people's like bleach and, you know, soap and stuff in a different bag. They'd say, you gave me too many bags. It's like, I didn't want to put the bleach next to your raw meat ma'am yeah they make us

do that yeah i don't i'm not trying to poison you i'd rather not yeah what about eggs did you have a lot of egg rules about where to put eggs on top or i usually put the eggs in a separate plastic bag yeah very end with the bread on top that was my that was my maneuver yeah yeah lots of like and yeah nowadays you know now that it's all self checkout it's like i am like super fastidious about the way i bag my stuff but i see people sometimes you see people do it and you're like oh you novice yeah yeah i've trained in this that takes skilled hands you know yeah i haven't gone to a grocery store with like in a car with the ability to take home more than like three bags in a long time i i just walk everywhere with them and back so i pretty much always like oh if i can just fit it

in my backpack that's good and it feels like a personal defeat if i have to ask for like can i actually have an extra bag it can't all fit in my backpack please like yeah they uh i think the age of the bagger is over though because uh i mean sometimes i'll see people bagging groceries most of the time it's like well you're the person working the register you'll bag the groceries because we hear people don't want to work anymore the other thing is people uh the true thing is stores don't want to hire anybody yeah so if they can get rid of a job they will and they have yeah you know i still uh recently i went into a trader joe's early and i think when they have like doubled up people like oh if you're not if i'm not busy in my register i'll help you bag stuff

i've seen that but pretty pretty limited i will say when you work uh last grocery store thing i swear when you work at a a store around this time and all the courtesy clerks are guys the guys who are bagging the guys who are pushing carts the guys who are unloading forklifts and uh you know pallets they consider the cashier to be woman's work so when they wanted to train me for that i was like yes i will do the quote-unquote woman's work it's way easier to stand behind to register than to shove in like 20 carts at a time in the snow called lady me up all those sexist guys were looking down on you yeah yeah yeah it was it was a weirdly gendered position i remember that very well and and i i was in like a fancy suburb across our town doing the bags and so you would have to load people's giant suvs and stuff and they would tip also which was insane wow dang and i

and all these memories this partially inspired your hit show okko oh that's true yes yeah a lot of uh a lot of retail memories had to buy anime and video games somehow i'm always glad that that show t taught a new generation of kids the the pains of retail work i oh yeah kids need to be taught that uh the customers are kind of stupid most of the time that's another great line i love in this episode is homer's line of like the customer's always right that's what everybody likes about us like that's such a great line that's it feels like a very i mean it might not be swartz welder but it feels like a very swartz welder type line about album customers the entitlement of the american consumer which i

love so i i took a cursory glance at this so this was inspired by a real strike apparently yeah apparently they they remembered as being an albertson slash ralph's thing that was happening in los angeles at the time though i could find no reporting on it that would fit with the timeline of the late 90s or early aughts yeah the most notable one I found was in 2003 and it was so notable that there's a Wikipedia article about it because um Ralph's and Albertsons and other stores they were uh sort of like cutting benefits and wages and things like that to compete with Walmart and that's why the grocery workers had a big strike in Los angeles yeah i mean that it's also it always is weird to me but i guess it was the style at the time but all of

these like you know proud writers guild of america members doing jokes about like entitled and i'm sure it's mostly swartzwalder coming through here but still it's it's so strange to me these wga guys doing jokes about like lazy union guys i don't know i mean it is really funny because yeah if the substantive thing about the strike i don't know what this one was based off of it's just like so easy to just say like ah they're probably just lazy didn't like people telling them how to bag i get bad and it's true i didn't like people telling me how to bag but you know that i wouldn't go on strike just for that. Well,

and also you're, you're part of a union, Ian, that's going through some stuff at the time of this recording. True. Yeah. At the time of this recording, it's a,

it's a, it's a razor's edge on, you know, if I ATSI strikes or not. Seems like it's averted for now, but you know, Hey, they strike,

I strike solidarity sounds like you'll have more free time for podcasting yeah maybe i also as a little kid i always wanted one of those rubber stoppers like hummer has like those i always that was me on shopping with mommy days i really was like oh i'll grab the stopper i'll help i'm helping like anything you can touch is filthy i was gonna say that's exactly what i was gonna say that thing is so just caked in just raw meat juice everybody's i would avoid touching that when i when i had to work because i remember having to having to wipe down the conveyors and i just be like i don't want to touch this thing millions

of people touch this man i never thought about the disgustingness of it until now i was i as a little kid i love going to the grocery store with uh also the uh i think it deserves to be more memed the i want everything in one bag but i don't want the bag to be heavy i think that's like just a perfect line about you know people's unrealistic wants for things just in life i like that uh apparently in the script that was supposed to be burns doing it but i think it works better as agnes yeah burns would not be shopping on his own yeah we saw how it happened last time he was uh committed exactly there's no way uh and also homer like again being so

he is physically abusing this person i can't stand here jabbing you all day, just hitting him with the roll. I love that. If I could do another punch up on this, I feel like that nondescript manager should be like Gil or somebody. Just somebody. The manager, it feels lost opportunity. It's just like a manager guy. But yes, Brockman is reporting on it uh we get to see in the background an eye bag and i vote sign which that also feels like a very swartz weldery kind of line when they're

talking about the uh other sympathy strikes uh fruit packers is that a gay joke oh i bet you're right okay i i feel i feel like some level that had to be a gauge i was curious i've never heard that term before but it seems suspect to me well it's just all of the other unions are like very specific very specific put downs except for that one so it must be uh i mean and i guess also it's like oh there's a union for that kind of joke like that also is where it's again that the 90s were about destroying unions that's all and it just trickles down from on top you know though again i gotta give i i have to say this every time mike scully actually unionized his writing room yeah which you know yeah the simpsons should have been a union writing room

for the longest time and it's insane it took till the 10th year to do it i think we have thrown out before our conspiracy theory that scully as he described it was that they put it to a vote in earlier seasons but they wouldn't do it unless it was unanimous and he said it just wasn't unanimous and then when he got put in charge he says it's a majority vote not a unanimous one and i feel like john schwartzwalder would have been one of those non those non-unanimous votes in those previous seasons. I think given what he's written so far, yeah. But hey, that's just a baseless conspiracy I'm saying about another person.

It's not legally actionable in any way. No. But anyway, then we get some fun with Lenny and Carl. Good luck, sir. No bad boys are going to stop Lenny from hosting a casual get-together. Casual? I can taste that get-together now. Hey!

I was holding that! Next time I'll knock your hat off, scab! So hungry. There's got to be some food left. It's all for jerky? Cream of toast? Where did we get all this crap? Most of it was sent by relatives who couldn't see very well.

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what weird food items type thing jokes before but marge saying how do they even get these joked food items they were sent by relatives who couldn't see very well that's such a great line it's also weird that there's only two of them i was like where's the third one yeah that's true i also any lenny and carl jokes about like one lenny lenny just saying i can taste that get together now what a strange casual yeah also speaking of grocery store behavior i've been lenny in many of those situations of just going in and mentally i say to myself i don't need a basket i'm just getting one thing and i am then uh buying much more than one thing and realizing i i just can't admit to myself that i have to go back and get a basket i'm like no i can carry all of this your pride will be the death of you i know but it just feels wrong to go back and get a basket i get a cart from the beginning i don't

trust myself well sure look i don't it's not like i never grab a basket but if if i don't choose the basket at the start then i'm admitting defeat if i walk back to get that basket i can't do it i i actually embarrassingly broke a big jug of tea recently from doing this because I thought, well, that big jug of tea, I can definitely carry it with one hand. And of course, I drop it in a giant bunch of tea spills everywhere. And I am very apologetic. And then I just say when a person says, that's OK, we can go grab another one. I will clean it up. By then, I'd say I'm going to grab another one i will clean it up by then i'd say i'm going

to grab another one and leave the store in shape and just like no i can't that that was seen anymore that was your basket lesson yeah i did i've i've been trying like i've been trying to unlearn it i've been grabbing baskets more often on a trader joe's trip i i usually grab a basket now uh but yes the food supply is cut off uh bart also from going from caring about eggs and bart the mother he is killing bird eggs now by choice and stealing them from a crow uh but no reason to play the everybody hates birds jingle because the bird wins yeah the bird wins bird violence going in the other direction for one i'd like to see that i should play that uh sound effect backwards actually that's what i should do but we then see santa's little helper smells food you know we just

recorded bart's dog gets an f and we talked about how dumb he is in that one as a dog he is the reverse in this this is a very clever santa's little open doors yes oh man not just the door he can jump like seven eight feet in the air and and and open the cellar or the attic door yeah i really loved the acting on him leaving to get the food without alerting the family it was uh it was like a really nice moment yeah the real good sneaky dog acting and even even a chifty dog eyes darting back and forth they even do that the classic sign of an evil dog uh but they chase him up the stairs homer even has a classic yoink as he takes it that's again another great joke homer yoinks it out of his hand and then uh

sans little helper is biting his leg and it's 10 times funnier to me that homer has no reaction to it he just does not does not reference it at all they find homer's old lunchbox which again makes homer uh his original age not the homer who grew up in who is our age that they right now in the show which which i just i've i'm just uh i'm not plus by it now i'm just like fine homer and marge are my age and eventually in 10 years of doing the show they won't even be my age i'll be older than them so i think yeah you just got to embrace that sliding timeline i think as long as they stick with what they've said which is that now it's not that their prom was in the 70s but that it was a 70s themed prom that can happen at any time

in 10 years Homer will be saying I remember Ben 10 that was your favorite show yes Burke's Law is the lunchbox and they picked the perfect unknown show 1963 to 1966 it's about a

millionaire detective right for a comeback that type of show now. It became a spy show in the last year because spies were popular. Oh, that's so funny. They give up on their premise in the third year, and they're like, it's James Bond now. No more of this Perry Mason stuff. And it came back in 1994 with the same lead character on the old people network CBS, which is what it was then. So it's like, this old guy can still do it.

So I have a clip of the opening song, the most important part of it. It's Burke's Law. Oh, yeah. All right, that's it. Okay, wow, man, that's it. Okay, wow. That is sexy. That's for all those

horny World War II vets out there watching at home. Man, that's what a good I think that is a great deep cut for them to pick

in a very Schwarzwalder that's right up there with Schwarzwalder's love of Sheriff Lobo and Wagon Train. It's one of those properties I'm surprised

didn't get a movie in the 90s because things that no one ever watched like SWAT and Wild wild west those were shows that got way bigger movies in the 90s and no one had any memories of the original shows honestly i think i've watched every cop show i need to watch now i think i'm good just leave those in the past no i don't need to see new hero cops i'm good i'm good yeah but uh but yes this cop show thing opens it up that's where homer finds an aged box of animal crackers from the 60s which again fits

up with homer being born in the 50s yeah this animal crackers thing that is one of those things that was so consistent for basically a century you could do a box of animal crackers jokes and children of any age will get it then like i'm looking it up i was like wow that those animal crackers had been that way since 1902 when they when they teamed up with barnum circus for it yeah but they but they actually freed the animals yeah i saw that i saw in 2018 nabisco worked with pita to redesign i was shocked they stayed in the cages until 2018 i would have figured they'd have changed it earlier so the packaging is just like a jungle or something now or it's basically

almost like an avengers style lineup of the animals walking forward just all which you know I I have to say in a database kind of way a lion just standing next to that giraffe and they're just walking up I don't know I feel like that feels dangerous for all the other uh the animals to be around the predator animal they were in jail for 90 years together they formed a gang i mean yeah all the animals were caged because you know it was supposed to look like a train car like from dumbo you know that's how i always viewed it as a kid also the last time they added new animals to it was a koala and a cobra in 2002 there's some more animal cracker facts for you i as a picky little kid if i got handed those i would think they were too plain and i didn't like them as a kid i was like me they were they were really dry i remember they needed like a dunkaroo reservoir served with them yes yeah or i i would bet it was because it

was uh was a cheap thing but when i had a a local babysitter as a little kid, the treats would not be regular animal crackers. It would be the fully frosted animal crackers instead. So I have much more childhood attachment to those. Though, I mean, giving a kid their own little box of animal crackers, I could see, you know, as a kid who likes to have, this is my thing that's mine. It's not one cookie from a box it's my box of cookies but yeah i mean as far as flavors go i can't believe animal crackers are still popular with kids today the kids today will they even like the the taste of those things shape them like influencers yeah all your favorites now those tiktokers they should be in cages fudge market pliers i mean didn't the Barnum's actual circus stop?

It did, it did. That's right. Due to popular demand for a Papa Simpson's joke, it closed down. Because it's just depressing, right? Like if you go now, you're just seeing these poor animals get whipped. I mean, no kid wants to go see that. And it smells bad in the tent too yeah and everyone hates clowns of course uh now now i'm looking at barnum's animal crackers

they're branded with minions now even though the animals are still in the package there's just a minion on the box to let you know like kids you don't know what animals are you've seen these yellow things i guess minions are technically animals. So sure. Why not? See now, I think the cookies as they stand, you could put those into the shape of a minion and kids would respond to that positively. And it's not too, I mean, what, like, you know, a cheetah lying down. How far is that from the shape of like, you know, Bob or Steve of our beloved minion friends? It's not as one-to-one

as minions to twinkies was of course but right that's perfect i still can't get over how big the minions are and how old and how very old and established they are now also now a generation has outgrown the minions it's true you're totally right bob there's people just like the three of us were with simpsons who are gonna see that new you know the the next mini minions to the groot or grew origin story and they're going to think man the minions aren't what it used to be minions used to mean something they'll be taking their kids and saying this is something dad used to like yes uh i don't man horrible i i hate this time moving but but anyway yes homer bites into this and discovers a golden giraffe which this again feels like them making fun of themselves because the mockingly easy idea would be the simpsons win an easy old contest like a forgotten contest and

that's how they get a free trip to africa and then they instantly deflate that of like well no you don't get to it's an old a box of like i that felt like a good joke themselves i like the curveball that they actually had a meeting with homer to say no yes yeah uh i mean it would be even better if they're like well no we're not going to africa oh we want a trip to africa actually no and then the next two acts are completely different story and they don't go to africa but uh but yes homer takes it to the Kitchen Maid Inc. in this next clip, which the logo for that company, I love that logo. I actually think that's an under. Someone carving up the planet in a maid outfit, I like that a lot.

Sir, that contest ended 30 years ago. We don't even make animal crackers anymore. We make household poisons and Christmas lights. Your box made promises of a vacational nature, and I expect you to live up to them. We won't, though.

Ha! Sir, with all due respect, an old box of cookies is not a legal contract. Ow! My eye! We are in trouble. He could sue us.

This defective string. Yeah, and it's got very sharp corners. Mr. Simpson, we've decided to make good on your vacation. Woo-hoo! Hey, mister. Yes?

On the plane, I'm going to need two seats for the twins. The Simpsons are going to Africa! Yay! Yay! What is it, Nagongoongo evil is coming what shall we do nagongo you are nagongo now i guess at least the joke is that the simpsons are happy to go there and it's the the people who live in africa that are scared of the simpsons that's that's a joke but right before this scene i got a huge smile from homer eating the animal crackers and it's like those were made in the 60s and he tastes them and he says turbulent that's a good i got a laugh out of me yeah i like that i i also like that homer he wants to do everything that's

on the back of the box which that is a very good it felt very swartz weldery too of like well what is an inaccurate picture of africa and it's the the explorer shooting a lion directly in the face and then uh box muhammad ali a reference to of course the rumble in the jungle the famous ali george foreman fight from 1974 in kinshasa uh the city of kinshasa in the democratic republic of the congo it was zaire at the time if i know kinshasa because of a pro wrestler he grew up loving muhammad ali so he has a move called kinshasa as a reference to uh where that fight took place so that's how i know it the shooting a lion in the face that is such an extreme looking picture that

i could i had a good laugh pretty funny yeah but i guess also it wouldn't be you know already they're talking about uh they're doing jokes about the evils of unions i guess they also need to do jokes about like spurious lawsuits yeah people sue over anything kind of joke again that's that's i was like i was every moment it was just like how is this gonna lead to a people's and unions are bad and they should just sit down and enjoy what they've been handed joke. And it's like, Oh, there's another one. Everybody wants something. Yeah.

So then we start act two. The family is flying in to Tanzania and bart now has on a green shirt i think everybody else is their vacation clothes seem relatively similar to like i think lisa is wearing like the exact outfits you wore in other trip episodes but i've never seen bart wear a green shirt he's green shirt in a million ads in our growing up but he's never in the show merchandising part is taking over this role regular bart wanted to stay home yeah i feel like i feel like in that call in those uh call of the simpsons burger king toys bart did have a green shirt yeah yeah but he didn't have brown pants which is kind of weird i he's missing his lucky red cap that's that's what he's

missing in this i wish he'd brought that with him but uh yeah him seeing him and maybe they thought the orange shirts like didn't mix well with all their backgrounds for this episode and the travel maybe i don't that's why as we found out from bill morrison who drew most of those original green shirt parts all the green and blue shirts were just demands of advertisers of like this this looks better with a butterfinger wrapper if he's wearing a green shirt than than an orange shirt calming blue yeah i'm sure it's that and also uh so many of those wrappers are like limited color palettes so they're just doing what they can to fit them in and uh yes as

they are about to land in tanzania they are then uh told that the name of the country has changed which i think the joke from an american viewpoint was african countries change their names a lot which i mean i corny i have the history of this it's actually really brief uh so tanzania the country and its name were formed in april of 1964 through a merger between uh tanganyika and Zanzibar and was first called the United Republic of Tanganyika and Zanzibar before being renamed Tanzia. So it was just renamed once. So like territories in America have been renamed more than territories in Africa. But again, it's more of like a very n-specific joke yeah about a specific place which is like

i don't know i i hate saying things like lazy writing or anything and that's not what i'm trying to say here but it's like i do wish it was something more specific about the place they were going to how we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You see, our new Net Zero Hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels and much more. Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, Your home cozier. And your world brighter. Find our net zero hub at electricireland.ie.

We are also at the end of a season. And the steam kind of runs out for them. That's true. Understandably. I mean, you really do feel like they jammed one out here. And, you know, it works as an episode. So just print it, you know? You know, my lowered expectations when they

actually said the name of a real country instead of like we are landing in africa now as their plane landed i i honestly i appreciated that i was like well they named a real place but also tanzania has like real cities and highways and an airport they just land in a dirt patch and they're in lion king world for the rest of the episode yeah yeah that's uh uh it is kind of it is kind of weird that they went through the through the trouble of like designing an airport that's made out of sticks or whatever yeah that's just bizarre yeah that is pretty off yeah i don't think the airport well i guess it the airport seems to be made out of the same stuff as the hotel they go to later in the episode. Yeah, the Swiss Family Robinson Hotel.

Yes. But they meet their guide when they land. Hello, hello, Simpsons. Welcome to Africa. I am your guide, Kitenge. Hey, how you doing? What's going on? Isn't that cute?

A bush baby. Where? Shoo, shoo. Oh, man. I just bought this shirt. I like that. I did chuckle at that, that he seemingly, you thought he had like an animal sidekick that's going to be hanging around the whole episode.

Instead, he's just like, ew, what? Yuck. Like, he just shoos it away like i chuckled a little at that i also feel like uh this is a lot about everybody hates lisa's beliefs kind of thing of just i'm gonna ask you to play the clip later henry yeah for a few things this feels like the this little slow start to it of lisa being like oh isn't that fun and somebody just goes like what no yuck get out of here wrong uh also you know their first thing about wildlife being wrong from what i googled uh bush babies aka galagos they are they're nocturnal so they wouldn't even be there in the daytime but tsk tsk i'm like they didn't have google back then but wait it was 2001 so i think technically they must have

had something google was like 98 or something yeah yeah also it's like i don't know wikipedia might not have existed but they must have like you know uh lycos just an encyclopedia britannica perhaps around them you know uh but katinge played, Auxeria as the style of time. The master of accents, Auxeria, as we've said. But also the music here that Alf Clausen is doing, I thought it's kind of interesting because it feels like a takeoff of Hans Zimmer's Lion King score that basically audibly says Africa

to American viewers' ears, I guess. But the irony is that then han zimmer takes alf clausen's job or really al han zimmer's uh many assistants his production company production company yes yeah bleeding edge music i think it is yeah i think you're right yeah yeah we then see our first hint of the uh president muntu who seems like a pastiche of like edie amin and robert mugabe just again the few the few african leaders americans have heard of they just kind of roll them into one there for just easy again it's like what if you made a list of like what do your average americans know about

africa that would be one of them but easy easy gag yeah but uh but though kirkland said he did try to keep accurate with like well in kenya when he was live there like the steering wheels on that side because it's former british colony so they have cars on with a steering wheel on that side he cared that and they there's some level of care here i would say you can definitely see his level in care and stuff like that and the and like not accurate but that all of the place names are you know definitely picked off of a map of oh these are actual places um but i think even that level of care cannot stand up to an entire department's indifference to depicting a place

and i mean you know there it's a cartoon so it's like it's so many cliches i don't know it's hard it's hard to fault anybody for just being like i've seen the lion king a couple times i'll just draw that you know kirkland i he's he's fighting up river here i guess yeah against against the stream but um but yes then they have a very silly sort of swelery joke two of them thinking they're being told they're going to sleep on the ground tonight but actually it's like a five-star hotel it just up in the trees and a giant like yeah the the swiss family robinson treehouse from disneyland there's multiple times in this i was like oh yeah this is just a disneyland joke here also or just like this is your your vision of africa is something you saw at a disney the jungle cruise

before it was a movie if this was if this show was being done in current times simba and timon and pumbaa would just walk up and start talking to the simpsons yeah actually i'm surprised they didn't get more specific i mean there is one very specific lion king joke but yeah oh boy can you guys believe disney owns The Simpsons? There's a lot of jokes you can make about that. I hope the show does it themselves. I think they should step in

and make those jokes for the next, I don't know, 100 years. It would be really brave if they did. Yes. You know, by the time this episode goes out,

we haven't seen it yet, but I do believe another crossover is coming out on Disney+. They haven't shown what it's going to be i'm curious the reason i watch a simpsons is so they can pay tribute to brands number one jokes come second yeah all the best brands i yeah you know i just watched loki and now i'm gonna yeah

hey i really feel for david silverman i think he's doing the best he can with those things i just i i always feel like saying that because i i love david silverman and i think he's he's he's doing the best he can with those things. I just, I always feel like saying that because I love David Silverman and I think he's given a tough assignment with those. You know, I really respect David Silverman and he's one of the best animation directors. I do think though, I do really wish that those shorts and those crossovers that they did and even the Maggie ones that they did and especially and even the maggie ones

that are in the theater i really think that those could actually be the time when they do something like in a different style though i think they've only said like oh we only do different animation styles on treehouse every once in a while but they seem to break that like everywhere it really does seem like oh for a theatrical short like the kind of tv looking simpsons style isn't really gonna cut it it does i do wish that that was the place where they were like let's do different character designs or hire some different artists or a different team to do it in cg or a different kind of 2d animation or something well and with silverman you know that you really that's a great pitch in because with with silverman i've seen his design

like what if he just draws a crusty how he feels like drawing crusty where he's like i don't need to totally match uh have it be you know tv correct it's such an interesting style like he's and you can see where his personal style meets up with simpson style like in yeah like yeah in in the chili pepper episode there's some bits where homer like looks more like a silverman drawing than an ingraining drawing and it'd be amazing to see something like that and also i think it would be you know like i guess a self-tribute maybe is a way or just a sign of respect to Silverman of like, you know what? You can do this short in your style and like break the rules,

make a whole new character models, do all that. But, and, and if they want to win that Oscar for short subject, like, Oh, they really,

they really want that Oscar. If anyone from the Simpsons is listening to this, if you really want that Oscar, let them do something artistic and also and give him more than three months maybe i think so yeah but yes as they as they go to the hotel they also there's a scene of homer's luggage he throws his luggage up it falls down lands in a spider web and a giant spider covers it in acid seemingly and but you know those now when i see a giant spider i just think

that's uh that's the new viral video content is disgusting giant spider content oh boy i see that i see that too much on twitter maybe it's just they always stick with me anytime i see a giant spider stop following the giant spider accounts get them out of your feed uh one joke i think that's a little too subtle is the inside out mosquito net because you have to think a lot about it to understand that it's a joke, where it's like, for whatever reason, if a mosquito net is inside-out, it will actually attract mosquitoes and they'll be trapped inside with you, even though it doesn't make any sense.

It just feels like it's funnier on paper than it is for them to depict it. You think too much about it. Yeah, the staging of that joke, it really makes or breaks it. I got it after watching it, but it wasn't a laugh. It was more like a, huh, okay. Yeah, also the bits with those mosquitoes, like it was another of those moments where I paused like, boy, not only do I tip the hat to Kirkland for trying to get some accuracy

from what he remembers from staying in the area, but also, you know know travel episodes are so hard for the animators every time and this is like new character models for all the simpsons all these new characters for every place they're gonna go and tons of specific animal acting and here's a joke of just like hey draw a bunch of mosquitoes inside a see-through net and make it read in the Simpsons style. That unto itself seems like an incredible challenge for a joke that's hard to get. And then also Homer didn't tip Ketenge, which that's very Homer of him. But I hope at least Ketenge guilted him into getting some, getting a tip at least.

Ketenge will be fine. Oh, yes. It ends up pretty good for him, even though he getting a tip at least i think it will be fine oh yes it ends up pretty good for him even though he takes a real beating in this episode yeah oh yeah yeah but uh but yeah then it was a real runner in the scully years two of lisa saying mom bart and this one of her saying like bart compared me to a warthog that's uh though then when it reveals like no there to a warthog that's good uh though then when it reveals like no there is a warthog there i was like okay yeah all right sure there's nothing more to it there's a couple things in here where i was like well that would be an acceptable joke in some other show but i i expect a slightly more from the simpsons kind of thing but again i felt so

bad for kirkland's team that clearly the script said so you know just do the opening to lion king you know that shot that's like one of the most like gorgeous and expensive and complicated things in animation history like just do that we need a reference to that at i i feel for them in that in that moment but homer's not impressed with it he sees that the he's just looking at the odometer old stupid homer just likege was distracted by the musical garment bags on the plane. That's right, yeah. So are those garment bags that you put musical instruments in, or are they bags for garments that make music?

I think they play music when you open them. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. And then they then head to the Nagoro Nagoro Conservation Area, is what it's called now. It's a real place. I paused on it because I was like, oh, is this a sign gang?

I was like, no, no, real place, real place. Located in northern Tanzania. So at least they're still in the same country. They're flying around this country everywhere. Again, I give them props for definitely, you said they probably had encyclopedias around. They definitely opened an encyclopedia and picked out place names. And I give them props for doing that. That's more than you would expect.

I think that Jeep got all 10,000 miles on this trip. Yeah, that's true. With where they're going. When I Googled distance from Mount Kilimanjaro to Victoria Falls, i was like well that's 10 000 miles right there though also though shouldn't it be kilometers on there you know for being really specific here it's uh but kilometers doesn't read no people like miles nobody knows what that is uh but but yes bob i i believe this is where there's really a big, well, here, I'll play the jingle. Take that, Lisa's beliefs. So it's time for them to watch nature unveil itself, which Lisa knows actual facts about animals and the show actively discourages her from believing them.

Now we sit quietly and wait for nature to unveil herself. Wait, rhinos don't come from eggs. What did you just see, Lisa? I know, but... What did you just see? Oh, now, come on. What did you just see, Lisa? I know, but... What did you just see? Oh, now come on. Look, mother, by that tree. Cheetah. He doesn't look so fast to me. the show's second good morning star sign reference that's a real that's a real song

yes yeah it's uh i believe it's way way by angelique kijo pardon my mispronunciation if i got anything wrong there but uh yeah hank was area was taught by someone how to sing that they brought somebody in like a swahili professor or something yeah apparently when they speak swahili later in the episode they definitely got that and yeah it's uh though the the singer is uh benenice okay completely other side but i mean i i apparently it was a hit in africa as well as it was an afro pop hit in 91 apparently i i had not heard the song way way before but uh though also from looking at the youtube videos of the song uh definitely there is no crossover between simpsons fans and fans who comment on their uh this song on youtube because that's a shame

it's one of the simpsons fans should be uh brigading that entire comment section it's one of those things if you hear a song in a movie and you look it up to see like oh what's the name of this song often i will see in the comments like i'm only here because i heard it in this movie and but uh but mostly it's just respectful fans of the artist saying like i love this song or also uh one of the producers of the song had passed away in the last few years it was like rip producer's name like meanwhile every nrbq song on youtube is just simpson simpson simpson simpson also the yeah but this is a real like take that lisa's beliefs because lisa is the nerd at home

who says who they were thinking oh they're all gonna say these this is not what this wildlife animal does that's not what that animal does so they aggressively make it wrong a rhino hatching out of an egg a giraffe that is like basically a mole and and lay and the cheetah is not i guess the way the cheetah gets scared away is uh inaccurate but in all other ways the cheetah acts like how i guess a cheetah acts like it's fast you know but but i guess you get the hippo stuff later oh yes yeah that was again lisa must be punished for believing something that's uh and then the poachers show up which when this moment happened too i was like oh this became a captain planet episode ever so briefly though then when you know

that these guys are greenpeace who are they saving this cheetah from then when they what what they're not poaching the cheetah they are because they're the greenpeace guys who are later i i that's i i would like answers to that what are they doing here yeah but uh they lost their cargo pants which again it's 2001 time for jokes about cargo pants henry you were a proud cargo pants wearer you know i had stopped don't throw cargo pants in your cargo pants house i for a while i had worn them but it got hot and i was exercising a lot more i was like boy i my legs need to sweat i i i'm more of a cargo pants where now the cargo pants are about to go away because it's getting cold again but yes i'm wearing them right now you're wearing them now yes oh my god uh you know you can you can take

your uh game boy color anywhere you go exactly it's always this the feel of a of a nintendo uh handheld slapping your thigh as you're running is is are you special feel are you putting a switch in there is there a pocket big enough no no i pretty much i know i can't now it's too awkward to walk around i just really it is i don't own regular shorts if i if i buy shorts i just like well cargo pants you know they they do have all those pockets what if i need them you know i'm already a front pocket wallet user that's just for safety i am too you know our generation before us told us it makes your thighs look lumpy and it's ugly every you know i i when i'd had friends who still kept them in their back pocket, I was like, what are you, your dad cut them on the side. Yeah. As 2001, a time for cargo pants. And this, this is around when on the commentary Kirkland says, then you had a straw Chihuahua was chasing a Jeep, which

was really hard. And then you cut it. And on the commentary, the, the writers kind of cut the tension with the joke, just joking like, uh, well, just joking like uh well hey i'm sure i'm sure it was still looked good even though we didn't use it like i think this line homer says about poachers is what john swartzwater actually believes 100 is that they make the animal kingdom easier for us to understand by killing certain species off it's easier to understand all the time it really does uh all right so then well another one of those oh they did look it up uh the the old divide gorge in tanzania it is where the famously the the archaeologist the leakies discovered early humanoid fossils so and this is correct in a i googled it since

this is a correct thing which you know you know, more research than you expect. But I do like Homer being unimpressed by these fossils. This is the earliest known fossil of a human being. It's over two million years old. I've got more bones than that guy. If you're trying to impress me, you've failed. It's not the number of bones sir it's you have failed it's uh homer only impressed by the number of bones and something i mean it's it's for the

sake of the staging of the joke but i like how this priceless uh piece of history is just unprotected just hanging out yeah hanging out of the shelf of dirt. It's like a Halloween skeleton embedded in the rock wall. I guess at the root of all this is that Homer is John Schwarzwalder, probably when taking on any vacation, seeing anything, he's like, this is dumb. Why did I leave my home? I think that's mainly what John Schwarzwalder feels. Then, yes, they visit Maasai tribe.

Again, in one of those, well well google tells me it's true things apparently drinking cow blood is a masai cultural tradition for special occasions so that's what i googled as well yes yeah so it stands up to google which is true which is all the information i need but and apparently kirkland you know again he was like yeah that's i he i think he had even drank some cow blood as part of his his trip there but uh then also very weird joke of them spitting the blood and then all the people just laughing at it that that's strange the well the fun unexplained uh joke that they draw the line at cow blood they're like oh what kind of blood it's like they'd be okay with any other kind of

blood i guess you know now i have to i gotta watch my uric acid intakes no cow blood for me that's uh i already had a very gravy uh sandwich that messed up my messed me up did you drop a jug of cow blood at target henry is that what happened if you must know it was uh zero calorie tea from arizona tea company which uh i you know i contend they have very flimsy jugs you know it's their it's their fault for making a if their jug was tougher it could take a fall of like four feet class action lawsuit time yes this next joke i hate yep it sucks and they should have just cut it because there was just some miscommunication i mean it's not good in the first place within the writing but the way

it's executed in the animation i'm not blaming the animators i feel like something was lost in the translation and they just had bart or nancy car right ad-lib something over bart's like lip flapping uh it's very strange and just gross one again and lip lip plates and neck rings are not part of messiah culture that too that too that's one of those moments they just throw up their hands like yeah but we've seen lip plates and neck rings in international geographic covers so we're just gonna do the joke like screw you yeah which yeah it's uh i mean that kind of vibe it's if you're somebody who grew up seeing the national geographic covers those are it is striking imagery the first time you see like a lip plate or the neck rings but it is such like a cliche easy joke yeah then bart's lip has already been fully changed uh it's it's also just weird to see the inside of uh of a simpson lip like yeah um yeah it is weird points for a funny drawing

though that's true yeah hearing seeing his long lip flapping yeah doesn't work with with their anatomy for me i don't know what it is it just because they have underbites too yeah so i guess when you have no jawline how do you do a lower lip joke yeah that's also true uh and yes then their cuts to the they're all dancing they've been dancing for hours which everybody's loving and they're jumping over the fire lisa even seems to be like blow up making noise out of a antelope horn which again one of those things like well the internet does say messiah people do that so i guess they got it right but but it all at least feels respectful unlike say the lip plate joke is less respectful but it also feels like mike scully getting in one of his dad rock jokes in there

yeah it's an allman brothers concert i have the reference for this unfortunately homer is probably referring to mountain jam uh that's an improvised jam based on donovan's there is a mountain released on the 1972 allman brothers album uh eat a peach i see it's 33 minutes long oh man that uh that donovan song already drills into your brain like the donovan song is two minutes and 30 seconds i think we got the points yes yeah uh and then though again one of those other things like oh you get the the this dance seems accurate and then it's like oh and of course a hippo is sleeping just in the middle of the village like that's that's normal yeah but it's all just for a hungry hungry hippo joke i don't know they already did they did hungry hungry homer the same season we already we got the hungry hippos joke

this bit here of i do like the cruelty to the character of katanga and homer's lack of caring about it i do like it oh my no a hungry hungry hippo help get tangy No! A hungry, hungry hippo! Help, Kitangi! Now, Simpsons, run for it! Good old Kit Tangy. Quick, into the river. Hippos hate water. No, they don't.

They plop. And it scampers away from it because this hippo is scared of water which is though when they were doing these jokes this is when it became a meme thing for friends to tell each other like did you actually know the hippo is the most dangerous like that became one of those like facts everybody shares that they think they're sharing for the first time kind of facts yeah i i appreciated the the brutalness of that beat down that katanga got i thought that was really thought that was really good he's so horribly trampled which makes it all the funnier when homer goes like good old katanga i forgot he didn't die yes yeah it's a fun sheet but look how

big the shield is when it's placed in the water compared to when homer picks it up yeah it becomes a family-sized boat yeah when we were watching it yesterday i was watching it with rebecca and she was just like is it a boat now what's going on like i don't know it's a shield it was a shield now it's a boat for a family of five yes yeah that fits them all it works as a funny little misdirect of homer picks up the shield and spear seemingly with determination on his face and then instantly turns away like it's a boat. Let's get in the boat. I mean, it's all just to start it being a Jungle Cruise series of jokes then, which this and I think, too, this was another reason I had a negative reaction to this episode, even in 2001. This is just the joke in Boy Scouts in the Hood.

Like, it's the same. The two sides like, oh, which direction boy scouts in the hood like it's the same the two side like oh which direction do we go in the boat kind of thing i was like is i mean the only difference is that at least amplifies it it's a longer joke homer looks longer at it and then right after they have a joke about homer reading a child map and acting like it's a map which also is from boy scouts i guess a homer uh captain a raft the jokes only flow in one direction they will lead you to the same joke that's true yeah uh well at least here homer has to be told that to the left the left but of course the wind blows them back in the other direction, forcing them to go in the dangerous route. Also, a very cartoony chomp from that big leech that bites Homer.

It's very big. Weird design on that giant leech. I didn't know what it was until the commentary said, oh, that's a big leech. I guess, yeah. I don't know. I forget what the killer leeches look like in mst3k i don't think they had big googly eyes on them though no they're just like sleeping bags that's right yeah and so yes as we start act three now it's the jungle cruise they're just basically going by like skulls

on trees like it's this is a very africa got much more cartoony in between acts two and three i'd say now it's like a bugs bunny cartoon yeah yeah yeah i do like homer again it it is the joke from boy scouts in the hood but homer saying animal now according to animal crackers there's no river here and he's about to just step off the boat that's a good joke i like that and also homer's yes description of being killed by a crocodile i guess it's saying like oh i've heard that drowning is the most peaceful way to die he describes it as like it's like going to sleep except but in a blender it's all right i like that and so apparently then as they are spotted they this is a joke they also did several times in scully years i'm thinking too of when they go to the russia town and the russians there are like shouting very loudly in their language but they're saying friendly things to each other this is a similar thing of you know they they are

scared by these tribesmen who are then speaking in swahili to each other but it's all just friendly things about wanting to show the Simpsons a drawing yeah which uh again like you like you said about uh just like with the Frank Welker thing Bob they went to the trouble of like apparently they called a professor at UCLA for like accurate translation of this I believe into Swahili but they don't they again they're just like ah dan dan and harry they can just say this to each other that's fine yeah i like that after this homer reminds us of the act one story that's the best yes it's it's very i like how mad it is because i mean this is not nothing new like we usually leave that behind but it's funny when a character remembers like how was that act one

thing going that that is great. Yes, actually, I have the clip of that one here. Oh, you think they settled that bag boy strike yet? Oh no, we're headed for Victoria Falls. Here's why they shouldn't get anything. What?

Ah! Ah! Whew. It's flowers. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH i It's a flower. Are we insane yet? Are we insane yet? Are we insane yet? I told you, yes! Now, Bart, go to the top of that hill and see if you can spot our hotel. Mount Kilimanjaro? Go! Okay. Ah!

Achoo! Hello, little fella. Hey, maybe you'll lead us to bananas or more mouth-watering monkeys overtime for bag boys ridiculous you can't forget the act one story i think the ridiculousness of the entire family swinging on one vine tarzan style and then homer calling back the act one thing pretty good joke i laughed pretty good how did we get here yeah and uh if it's possible i don't even know if it's possible i don't think there's like enough bodies of water that connect the two but they floated for 1500 miles from tanzania to

zimbabwe to get to victoria falls and then back the other way to mount kilimanjaro yes yes yeah yeah this was the part of the episode where i was like, oh, this is like Call of the Simpsons 2. It's just like, but it's in that, in that season 12-y, quippy kind of way. That's true. Yeah. In the same way they fall over a waterfall in, in Call of the Simpsons. And, uh, well though this time they just crash into a flower which uh i love homer just tearing apart

this flower like it's a flower like there was never danger here everything's fine it's a flower although he's destroying like i mean that also makes it very swelter that he's destroying precious wildlife like probably a very rare flower of some kind but then again that also feels very looney tunes of like uh you know the killer flower the giant flower that eats people kind of thing then you know what that mouth watering monkey thing that also feels like a call or a repeat of their joke with mojo because abe was gonna eat mojo he's like i can't eat that monkey the simpson men just want to try monkey meat homer learned it from his father that's how he knows how delicious monkeys

are uh but yeah i mean a chimp shows up i should have realized that jane good in my first viewing i should have been like all right jane good all time that's yes uh joan bushwell which is a fun like uh low effort parody of the name jane goodall uh who did her most important work studying chimps wild chimps at the gom Stream National Park in Tanzania. Still alive at 87 as of this recording. And I think there's a bit of Diane Fossey in this as well, because she did a lot of great work with gorillas. But apparently she was a gigantic jerk, which is why no one could figure out who murdered her, because she made so many enemies. Oh, wow. I didn't know this it was assumed that she was killed by poachers but a lot of people think she knew too

much about animal trafficking within the rwandan elite and they had her murdered so uh yeah she died and that's why they made gorillas in the mist the movie about her oh it's a gourney weaver yeah yeah so she died she was murdered in 85 87 was that movie interesting so that's i think that's what this uh you know the poachers and quotes coming at the end is a reference to diane fossy's death got it so there were two monkey ladies all right white white monkey ladies who went to africa to study things maybe it's because fossy passed away that in my mind i keep thinking like oh jane goodall rip is like i have to be reminded every time I learn about her, like, no, she's still alive. She's the non-murdered one. You know, also funny animation crossover this, I looked it up, six months after this, Jane

Goodall will play herself in an episode of Wild Thornberries. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. It's interesting. I remember watching, I didn't watch too many episodes of Wild Thornberries, but I did see that one. And it was interesting because Jane Goodall, basically when she meets Eliza and Chauncey? Nigel?

Nigel. When she meets, well, whatever, the ape friend she has. Oh, I thought you meant her dad. No, no, no. Sorry. When she meets Eliza and her ape friend who Eliza can talk to, Jane Goodall has the accurate reaction of like, you really shouldn't be keeping an animal as a pet. This is wrong to do. And Eliza has to deal with the idea of like, well, technically I am doing it wrong, but I'm talking to him and he's cool with it.

I can actually she has to convince Jane Goodall that she should be allowed to keep her animal friend as a pet because without revealing her secret that she can talk to animals jane goodall like i i wonder what she thought of this that the simpsons uh had a character based on her in here uh also when they get to the reserve i do like the joke that there's a cat flap for chimps that is in like chimp walking size like i, I got to chuckle out of that. I liked Homer's conversation about feces. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I've got that one here. It's kind of you to take us in, Dr. Bushwell.

Yeah. Thanks for the grub. Grubs. Whatever. Oh, there's a burst of flavor. Your work has really inspired me, Doctor. And I love your sensible ponytail. Well, thank you.

See, Jojo? She likes it. So I noticed your home smells of feces. Yes. And not just monkey feces, either. Could we talk about something else? I love what you've done with these poles. So, before anyone comments, I want say jane goodall was on the

simpsons oh in season 31 the episode is called gorillas on the mast god damn and they just give her the joan bushwell character design they don't change it oh no way yes yes so in 2019 jane goodall was on the simpsons. That's amazing. Wow. Wow. I should have looked at that. Man, that's good. Fine, Bob. Thank you. We'd have had a million comments if you hadn't looked that up. Yes. Delete them now. I know you made them already. Man, how sneaky. I mean, it's a fine design that definitely says Jane Goodall, so I can see why they reused it. But boy, that makes me wonder even more so if she like knew maybe she didn't know about this then i feel like though if you were a famous person you would have heard the simpsons made fun of you one like somebody would

have told you even if you are a very remotely located scientist i feel like you'd have heard of it at some point i feel like it's possible though that i mean they've had a lot of episodes she got called out of the blue to be on the simpsons i don't know maybe would she would she do a google yeah maybe not i maybe one of her like grandkids or whatever too just like it's cool to do the simpsons do it all right i'm assuming she has grandchildren that's maybe a big leap but uh other kids, I mean, honestly, that's how they've said they always got people over 50, was someone's grandchild tells them it's cool to do The Simpsons. Also, I like that Matt Selman on the commentary admits that he's like, yeah, saying grub and meaning grubs, I unconsciously took that as a joke from The Lion King.

He's like, I admit it. The Lion King took it from a child's joke book from 1930. That's true. It's not a new joke. That's fine to steal. Yeah. It's a public joke. I was distracted by Bart having a green tongue that's not called out specifically.

I guess it could either be a mistake or you assume the grubs are full of green goo. Those beautiful Chris Sanders design bugs from Lion King. They do look delicious. Some of the most delicious looking bugs I ever saw. Then it cuts to Bushwell showing off how she does her. Oh, well, you know, let's talk about monkey shit. I just like, I do. Does it smell different than human shit?

I love that Homer knows it can smell different. He's like, you know what i know that this this feces smells different from i can tell this is your feces among the monkey feces which and then homer is still sniffing even as they change the subject homer just sniffing like trying to sort it out in his head i'm guessing i also like that bushwell is just like this is not polite conversation can we can we please talk about something else and then when you know the twist the next scene bushwell describing just how all her day is looking at chimps and writing down seeing chimps thinking about chimps yeah it's that uh at first it works good as a joke of a woman who leads a boring life for homer to say like i can't believe you do this but i like it even better after the twist because it's her just making it up like oh

and um yeah you look at chimps all day up and then they do that it does feel like john swartzwelder explaining what he thinks about scientists though they just think about stupid crap all day they go to bed thinking about it some more these dumb scientists uh and homer i yeah i think swartzelder just literally said the things homer says but then the poachers arrive and i also had a good chuckle like what is it pointy that's a good pointy yeah it's like the elves in disenchantment yeah exactly yeah the poachers arrive and they decide they're gonna help homer thinks he just loves these animals so much and i also chuckled it like hey look a chimp rubbing his butt on a tree that'll always make me laugh it especially is like satisfaction of it at the how well it is scratching his butt and then comes a very long battle

sequence which honestly i think probably read funnier on the page than it is and uh it's it's okay it's all right it's maybe it's another of those like intentionally very wrong things but the way the coconuts explode i took it that the joke means that coconuts are naturally explosive where you put a lit piece of paper in them coconut milk is a highly volatile yes yeah but the hornets being blow darts that's also like that's wacky town that's uh i feel like you cut that one and you keep in the chihuahuas that's i think that's a funnier visual how we use electricity can be smarter cleaner and greener at electric ireland we can help guide you there you see our new net zero hub has all you need to

know about smart meter plans ev tariffs solar, solar panels, and much more. Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, your home cozier, and your world brighter. Find our net zero hub at electricireland.ie. I'll be honest. I kind of, at this point, I kind of zoned out a little bit watching the episode. And I was like, yeah, all right. All this stuff is happening. I do like Homer putting the monkey in a tree slingshot and saying,

somebody like this monkey. That is so mean and awful. He's forgetting what they're trying to do. Yes. Yeah. He wants to fling a flying. And then so the next scene of lisa confronting the poacher i like how you know brave lisa is like it's a big hero moment for lisa and it also felt like a very

captain planet scene to me as well like i feel like you would have seen any of the planeteers doing this uh in stopping a poacher and getting shoved down and then captain planet comes and save him but on the commentary they do point out that this reveal is the same as the reveal of lieutenant lt smash where an open an open shirt reveals your true identity yes yes a lot of shirts opening to reveal things in this time which i i do like when we can notice a runner in the scully years you know when we can it's one thing to note running gags that happen in seasons everybody watched but it's like oh yeah they were really into opening up t-shirts in season 12 it's their fifth one of these this season yeah and i think you know my teenage mind at the time did not see them as running gags that saw them as unfunny jokes they're repeating over and over it's true

i was very harsh on on it now it's like oh it's just kind of funny it's true when we were kids we weren't like bart is calling mo again when is the show gonna end again with these calling mo jokes yes yeah you're right they're like burns is weak i think we already know burns is pretty weak guys we already saw him crush a paper cup two years ago yeah you'd say god i'm lonely uh that's a that's a fun thought experiment to be as angry as i was in 2001 about jokes from 1993 that's yeah uh but but yes the reveal of the greenpeace guys this again feels like such a south park joke like such a south park to reveal that oh the bad guys were actually the good guys but i think at least making them green peas in south park they would have just said no the poachers were just

good the end like they wouldn't say they were secretly green peas and here's why poachers are good yes yeah but in this case instead they tie it into what i guess was starting to make the news in the u.s at the time or mainstream like you'd hear about it in newsweek or whatever of blood diamonds which makes this much darker even than in when i watched it as a kid as a teen i thought like yeah this is a silly ending chimps in a diamond mine now it's just deeply depressing yeah just like oh this is sad. This is parodying a horrible thing that happens in real life to people. Yes, Greenpeace is revealed. Hey, stop it, you creep! Greenpeace?

That's right. And we're not leaving until we rescue every animal here. Well, if you really cared about chimps, you'd know that Dr. Bushwell is their best friend. Oh, is that right yes, more punishing Lisa. Lisa dared to believe that a woman was good and worth looking up to. Lisa must be corrected and know that no yeah nobody is altruistic or good in this world i just remember i just remember that march line where lisa is explaining no the camp is named after the female doctor and march goes now i've

seen everything that's a good that's a good joke on um letting march be the internal sexist i like that yes but yeah um lisa's investment uh in her uh happened so quickly and so out of nowhere you know it's just gonna be to tear it down yes yeah if they'd set it up earlier in the episode maybe but since it's only for two minutes of her respecting someone then you know it must just be to destroy lisa and teach lisa she's wrong to like something i also like uh so bushball has the diamond encrusted pen and notebook and she says they were graduation presents i love that joke because i hear that sometimes from people who are like they had they bought something too expensive and they don't want to let you know like oh i got it for christmas okay yes i got this new iphone for my birthday don't worry about it i can't afford this but i didn't

buy it yeah also he's like her way of saying my what fascinating behavior yeah but again in 2001 this kind of bugged me i thought it was a silly ass pull of an ending that they were like all right i guess they the the chimps mine it they reveal a secret chimp diamond mine which when they say this must goes five miles deep they say this on the commentary of like boy that's pretty deep i look this up the deepest that a diamond mind like apparently ever has been is three miles like not even three miles higher more chimps yes yeah it's so when they say five miles that is also a they didn't google it kind of moment i got five, that sounds pretty deep.

And there's a Paul Simon reference, by the way. Oh, yes. Yeah, I got that. Okay. Look it. There's more over here. Look at this. She's hidden diamonds everywhere.

Even on the soles of her shoes. Yep. She's one of the ten richest chimp researchers in the world. Look at me! I'm a scientist! Africa. How could you exploit your beloved chimps like this? I think we should look at her research before we condemn her entirely. I haven't said anything for a while.

Hmm. These are just pictures of monkeys from famous movies. You know, for as much as this is such a weird place to take the episode, and for as much as this episode is not very good, I did laugh at a few of these. I did, too. Just Homer recognizing where the story has gone and just going, Africa. Yes. And then Bart admitting, I just needed a line.

I hadn't said anything for a while. Bart, unless you count Bart cheering with Homer during the big fight scene, Bart hasn't spoken in three and a half minutes, which is a long time to go without a line. Yeah. Yeah. But that's one of those moments of Bart. Homer can say those kind of lines, but for Bart to just go like,

I know I'm in a tv show and i haven't had a line in a while and i'm annoyed at that so i'm gonna just say something also she's one of the 10 richest chimp researchers in the world that made me chuckle too but but yes diamonds on the soles of her shoes a reference certainly uh a 1986 paul simon song ask your parents yes actually one of his ones done with the uh the south african singing group lady smith black mombazo from uh i don't know it's something connected to africa with a song but sure same continent same continent yeah yeah they really narrowed it down yeah you know close enough uh no no no no i can't but but yeah lisa

also lisa just flipping through the book of like see that that bushwald never ever did any research it's all lies they she didn't do anything like that's so awful to do like lisa pictures of monkeys from famous movies i also like as a descriptor yes but they have to say famous movies yeah that's that's yeah the clarification like not just movies famous ones we get the ending which again teen me did not like because uh it completely breaks the series once more the i'll just i'll just play it don't worry doctor we'll get you all the help you need. No, don't put me away I'll give you diamonds. Everybody wants diamonds diamonds will make everything all better

What a nice lady very nice nice. Hey, Lise, check it out. Diamond vision. Bazaar. Hey, look. Our tour guide got a new job. Quite a promotion. I was wondering what became of him. What happened to President Mantu? I don't want to talk about it. I got overthrown.

Now he's just a stinking flight attendant hey where's my pillow and then of course comes the saying it's all a tribute to the bag boys of america they're in ethnos and greed inspired this story which like damn somebody didn't get their groceries bagged that week yeah i i'm glad they put i'm glad they put that there i think the the muntu uh muntu scene is like too it's too silly of a like that's that's too silly of an ending even homer laughing too long at it i think makes it less of a cheesy ending but i'd rather they at least dedicate it to the bag boys of America. That's at least a little better. But yeah, no. Teen Me pissed off. The Simpsons end up with millions of dollars in diamonds at the end of the episode.

But like they're millionaires from now on in the show. My headcanon is that Lisa turns them in at customs and rats on her family. All right. That's pretty good. At the very least, they don't sell out Lisa's character in that she has her arms crossed and has no diamonds. She turned down the diamonds and everybody else took them. But, yeah, my way of thinking, I like yours better, Bob. My way of thinking was, well, the Simpsons often are left with debts that are in the millions in some other episodes.

So they use the diamonds to pay them off. That's what I myself take care of many of homer's law pending lawsuits yes yeah yeah i guess i guess maybe it's good that i didn't see this episode in 2001 when i was an angry teenager because i probably would have made the same exact complaints about them getting those diamonds yeah i i mean as again as as a show that's interested in mr x and making you like oh but you didn't see that coming kind of things uh that they have this ending that it's basically like an ending of a twilight zone episode of like oh she's gone crazy with greed she doesn't realize how much she lost to get all these diamonds and then they just cut to like no diamonds actually do make everything better and you get paid off in diamonds and and her chimp diamond

mind still continues to abuse chimps they didn't stop anything it's a great uh drawing and performance by tress mcneil of her holding the diamonds towards the camera it's great a great freak out by tress she's great at people uh losing their minds and i mean that shot of like shadowed and head on with her just holding up diamonds saying diamonds like that was uh kirkland and his team i think did a good drawing there i like that but yeah the ending pissed me off back then now and whatever that's i'm not as angry as i used to be yeah i think yeah it's it's a bad expectations i was like ah it's a season 12 simpsons i know what i'm getting into yeah it's mellowed out a lot since then i have no uh internet

to run to to be like did anybody else see how horrible this is i guess part of my anger too was and it it was actually fulfilled listening to commentary tracks like years afterwards was hearing them on the commentaries go like yeah we liked pissing you off like we did this to pit we knew you were getting mad and so we did it to piss you off with an ending where the simpsons walk away with fistfuls of diamond we were all played like fiddles yes yeah which i just wonder if that's maybe not the best place to for all of us to be in us as viewers and as creators to go like let's just piss people off like i mean it kind of worked because they got me to stop tuning into the show uh every week so i guess if that's what they wanted they got it you know mission accomplished there yeah

but yeah one last swing of the bag boys that they are so pissed off at for daring to want a livable way and now the bag boys they're extinct almost yeah if you see a bag boy uh you know salute him i uh the last time i heard about uh pay in the world of uh grocery was just that uh hearing about how stores like kroger or other chains or trader joe's like started cutting back their bonuses they're like well i guess this covid is just gonna last forever we expect us to pay time and a half all the time we've decided you're no longer heroes yes the hero time's over back those capes that's that's even more depressing than bag boy strikes i guess yes my final thought on this

episode it could have been more wrong about Africa in many ways. I guess I was impressed by that, I guess. And also, I'm less angry about it now. And there are some really good Schwarzwalder-y lines in here that just make me laugh. Like, oh, just the caustic-ness of a line. Like, again, I wish Maggie went to the emergency room more often. Like, that's a good shocker. We have to treasure every Schwarzwalder episode.

There's only like six left. You're right. So we must savor them. But yeah, I'm with you. I'm happy we got past this episode. I wasn't looking forward to it. But it did make me laugh a bunch. But it's also one of those ones where they don't care that much and they're not shy about letting you know.

And then the next episode is like the direct opposite. Yes. It's like they care so much and they're so invested in telling this complicated story. So yeah, night and day between this and Trilogy of Error, which we'll get to. Yeah. I mean, you know, my final thoughts are, and I've said this before, but at the time I was an angry teen watching this, I felt like they should cancel this show. It's just, it's bad. You know, I was like a angry youth.

Now I believe exactly the opposite. I'm like, this show should just go on forever and have, there should be no consequences for this show. Just keep it going. Keep rolling them out. And going back and watching this episode with that expectation of knowing that it was,

you know, this in this time, it was like oddly nostalgic for me because i've never seen this episode so i was just like oh wow a new piece of this style of simpsons that i've never seen it is good that i missed this because i think if i had seen this like when it aired it would have put me off the show uh for months and months but because i missed this i did happen to tune in for the next episode trilogy of error which i actually enjoyed yeah i think i think you're right bob that they it's almost like they sucked all the effort out of this one and put it into trilogy of error

as if it was an amount of you know a resource that could be moved from one thing to another. Yes. Yeah. But thank you, Ian, for coming on and watching this for the first time with us. Thanks for having me. It was kind of, it was a weird surprise to see this episode that I've never seen before. It's good. And where can we find you online? Hey, yeah, you can follow me on twitter at at enjq as for other stuff i got going on uh i'm working on several projects which we'll see if they see the light of day but however if you have hbo max my show okko let's be heroes is on there finally in the actual correct order something that no streaming service uh has ever done for me before

uh so that was pretty impressive that they got that to happen and you know it had to i i think it's because you it's not owned by at&t anymore now it's at discovery they knew how to put it in order those folks at discovery oh yeah the people at discovery man they know their stuff apparently i don't know uh no i'm so i i was very glad it finally got put in the right order and yeah you and your twitter account is full of great like you share some really good uh okko fan art when you come across it in there yeah every once in a while i'm so bad at twitter these days because i'm never on there but it's become like my official presence so if you're interested in seeing more stuff that i do i will definitely

tweet about it there and uh yeah i mean listeners if you guys enjoy this and haven't yet listened to our what a cartoon about future boy conan we did this year uh with ian and rebecca sugar everybody should listen to that we had such a good time talking about such an important anime series to to both of uh you and rebecca creatively yeah that was that was really great and i had a had an awesome time uh doing that and uh there's still time probably for your listeners to uh buy that when it comes out i hope i hope uh it doesn't it's not one of those one that goes out of print in the first run i hope not but but if so then mine's already more collectible yes we don't get any money for promoting this but if we say if they sell enough maybe we will you never know we could get checks in the mail

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Homer, no. Those were made in the 60s. Turbulent. Ow! What the hell? Whoa, a solid gold animal cracker. Find the golden giraffe, and we'll send you and your family to Africa.

Africa? They're bound to have food there.