Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - Take My Wife, Sleaze With Dave Schilling

Episode Date: August 12, 2020

For this week's episode, we welcome on journalist Dave Schilling--check out his new podcast Full Court Chat! After bonding over shared nerdery, we discuss Homer's new motorcycle, the group almost named "Christ Punchers," too many NRBQ songs, and much more! You may listen to this podcast, but you'll never defeat The Cobras! Support this podcast and get dozens of bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! Check out our new shirts on TeePublic! And please follow the new official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

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exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today? Henry Gilbert and I only salute the flag with one finger. And who do we have on the line? This is Dave Schilling. And today's episode is Take My Wife Sleaze. Will you turn that engine off? Quiet, Marge. The motorcycle and I are trying to sleep.

I don't like you. Just turn her out. Today's episode aired on November 28th, 1999. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh my God. Oh boy, Bobby. Toy Story 2 breaks box office records with its release in theaters. The finale of Millennium airs on the X-Files

in their New Year's episode. That's the first episode where Scully and Mulder have a real kiss in it. And the classic Donkey Kong 64 is released for the Nintendo 64. And so is the DK Rap. Oh, yeah, you're right. Which is how it lasted, that game,

in terms of relevance. Finally back to kick some tail. I heard his coconut gun fires in bursts. Yeah, and I think it's the peanut gun that fires spurts. Okay, there's many lyrics. Yes, I don't have them all memorized. But possibly

almost as good as Toy Story 2 as our recent podcast about it at the $10 level at patreon.com slash talking simpsons. We talked for four and a half hours as Toy Story 2 as our recent podcast about it at the $10 level at patreon.com slash talking simpsons we talked for four and a half hours about Toy Story 2 so I don't think I need to say anything else about it here very good sequel very good I was a viewer though of Millennium because it was Chris Carter's

other show to X-Files you can't have a show called Millennium after the year 2000 which is why it was cancelled now well they hoped to go until it was 2000 but it got canceled the year before that so they just had to do an episode of x files where lance hendrickson comes in and it's like a post-cancellation crossover that wraps up that plot line what is the premise of that show um basically there's a cult that's planning to end the world when it becomes the

year 2000 and lance hendrickson is the man trying to prevent that cult from's planning to end the world when it becomes the year 2000 and Lance Hendrickson is the man trying to prevent that cult from doing it and in the episode of X-Files called Millennium they team up the three of them Mulder Scully and him to prevent the final plans of that cult and so it gives him a happy ending in that episode and And then when it becomes the new year, the year 2000, Mulder and Scully share a kiss. And while they had technically kissed before, it was like a clone or a mind control or a dream or all that stuff. But this was the real kiss of the real characters as it became the year 2000. But anyway, let's welcome on Dave here. Hey, guys.

I hated that episode of The X-Files. Oh, did you? I liked Millennium. It was a darker version of The X-Files in a lot of ways, more realistic. But boy, was it annoying to take an episode of The X-Files away and dedicate it to a spin-off that had been off the air for a while already. It's very strange. It's kind of self-indulgent of Chris Carter. Well, that's sort of

his middle name, isn't it? Isn't that kind of his thing? Being self-indulgent? We've heard at least one horror story about him on Simpsons Commentary. Oh, yes. I don't know if you've heard this story before, Dave, that he... When Stephen Hawking was filming or recording his lines for The Simpsons, he just came in, put an X-Files hat on Stephen Hawking was filming or recording his lines for the Simpsons

he just came in and put an X-Files hat on Stephen Hawking and took a photo with him and then left without even talking to this disabled man he was using for a photo op. This was before Instagram too. I cannot believe that anyone would care that much

about a photo op that they would abuse a disabled man like yeah but please don't use him as a prop especially now oh god be very tasteless uh but yes dave schilling new guest of talking simpsons uh tv writer and podcaster your new podcast of course is a full court chat yes it is a sports comedy podcast sports comedy is sort of like peanut butter and chocolate i think um if you're a sports fan it's basically me playing a more obnoxious arrogant version of myself interviewing great comedians like carl tart and john gabrus and a lot of other people about these characters that they're playing

they're playing you know fake football players fake figure skaters fake professional wrestlers um so we're creating these characters sort of like a comedy bang bang meets bill simmons podcast situation you know i think it's it's a lot of fun it's they're they're only 30 minutes so it's one of those things where you can binge the whole series if you want to in a day basically um yeah i hope you guys listen to it now you're one with carl tart uh was so funny carl tart is like one of the funniest guys he's incredible and uh i love how he constantly repeats your name he's like that's rad dave schilling he is a remarkable uh performer and his is one of my favorite episodes and this this week's episode is with lou wilson lou um you can

see lou on american vandal and he's in king of staten island the new uh judd apatow movie so we got some good guests man i i know you from your appearances on uh many wrestling podcasts i'm i'm a wrestling fan i promise not to waste bob's time with wrestling talk too much but oh you're allowed it's it's i love talking about wrestling it's great it's the thing that both made me love entertainment and art and creativity and also broke my spirit so yes a very important thing i used to write for wwe and uh it was uh it was a hard year guys i don't know what to say about that but it was last year and uh there were some good stories that we came up with and there's some some junk you can decide which ones i was responsible for and which ones

i weren't on your own uh well you you survived and you've made it you've made it here i well i i wanted to find some wrestling news to talk about this week but actually nothing happened this uh to put this episode in wrestling timeline terms, this was right after Stone Cold left television for neck fusion surgery with The Big Show winning the world championship. Yeah, he was injured. It was a chronic injury stemming from his neck injury in that Owen Hart match at SummerSlam, I think the year prior. And he just couldn't wrestle anymore so they did an angle where he got run over by a truck and the Big Show won the championship so there was no like Royal Rumble around this time or Survivor Series Survivor Series Survivor Series in 99

Big Show won the title The Rock ended up winning that Royal Rumble inuary of 2000 and then wrestlemania of that of 2000 was rock versus big show versus mick foley versus triple h for the wwf champion a mcmahon in every corner exactly yes a legendary wrestlemania yeah but because this is this episode aired during thanksgiving survivor series is the thanksgiving staple it's the one day wrestlers get off right oh no no they don't they're all hurting themselves they work extra hard don't they i think now they at least in wwe they like pre-tape something for thanksgiving usually like some food fight with turkey and gravy uh but but dave also like what's your uh personal history with the simpsons as as a comedy fan i would think it's it's got to be kind of deep oh Oh, man. My personal history with The Simpsons is basically the history of my life.

I was the exact right age to fall in love with The Simpsons from the beginning. So I was a kid when Tracy Ullman show was showing the shorts. The perfect age. Yeah. Yes. I'm visiting my mother for a couple of days this week and I'm there right now. And we were watching the episode that we're talking about today. And my mom was like, remember when we used to sit down and watch the Tracy Ullman show together as a family?

And I'm like, yeah, of course I remember that because that was the first time I saw maybe the most important characters, fictional characters of my generation. I think it's the Simpsons and I guess the Marvel characters now. Oh, Simpsons were created during my lifetime and have never gone away since then. Um, so I, I've watched forever for, for my whole life and it's, it's seminal.

I had Simpsons sing the blues, uh, on cassette. I had the Bartman action figure and were the first Simpsons action figures that kind of had the wobbly heads that were like, Oh yeah. Yeah. Those squishy rubber heads yeah exactly and they made balloons in them they made a bart man one with like a little cape and he had a special skateboard it was an immovable plastic cape like it was uh yeah razor razor sharp sadly i've i've come to then you know

know simpsons writers personally um and become friends with Simpsons writers. I got to sit in on a table read of the Megan Amram episode. Oh, that's a great episode. With the crystal shop. Oh, OK. I was getting confused with the Ghostbusters one she did. No, there was one where Marge opens a crystal shop. OK, that was a good one one too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I've both been a fan and then gotten to see Behind the Curtain

and meet a lot of these people who have created the seminal show. I can't understate how much The Simpsons means to me. I just can't. It's a big deal. We have a rare Allman viewer. Yes, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I'm sure there aren't a lot of people who remember watching that show. I think one out of every 40 guests was watching Tracy Allman. I know I wasn't because I just have a lot of questions for my parents after the sketches were over. Like, what's his premise? I'm too young to understand this. This is not Chris Farley falling down. I didn't understand any of it. Right. Like television was just a part of my childhood. So we just watched tv and my father was a big comedy fan um so he introduced me to everything that would end up being seminal in

my life in terms of being a comedian and writing comedy but i didn't understand it at the time like i don't know why we're watching this i i just want to watch transformers or something but this was what we were watching when a cartoon comes on during that stuff that that immediately takes your attention that was i i got into simpsons in the last season they were on allman right before the christmas special like i got to see the uh when i saw the one where maggie uh gets lost in that two-parter that was what pulled me in to the simpsons yeah i can remember the the christmas episode too and santa's little helper and all that stuff like that it seems so long ago and i guess it's because it is guys it was a long time ago over 30 years i feel old i i also i forgot that you're a marvel fan too so me

and you could just drown out bob with both of our nerdisms on that i'm more of a batman guy oh okay i have interests uh but uh but this episode is an interesting crazy one by john swartzwell halter yeah it's a real uh swartzwellery episode if there ever was one and uh though apparently as uh scully tells it before he became a showrunner he had pitched a script where homer becomes a biker and so he was bringing back that idea now that he could commission scripts from people but in his version homer just gets pissed off at a helmet law and does a hunger strike and so yeah they then take that hunger strike run one and we'll use that in like a season 12 episode hungry hungry homer i believe it's that hunger strike one and we'll use that in like a season 12 episode

hungry hungry homer i believe that's it yeah and they also point out on the commentary that the script for this is straight up ripped off by the movie wild hogs oh yeah they were recording this commentary when wild hogs was a new movie we're all talking about and yeah like the regular suburban guys becoming bikers and then falling running af of real bikers. That's Wild Hogs. The Wild Hogs has more gay panic jokes in it, though. It's a wacky and wild one full of like big, big moves by Schwarzwelder that it feels like it's the first one in a while he's gotten to go truly crazy. Like it felt like in other ones, Schwarzwelder had been kind of tamped down or they'd rewrite, like Mountain of Madness went through a lot of rewrites.

And it's also very Schwarzwald-ery in that these bikers are stuck in time in the 60s. They're bikers like no biker exists even back then. It's like exploitation biker movie biker. I think an understanding and appreciation of baby boomer pop culture references is necessary to really love The Simpsons. I think that's true of Mystery Science Theater 3000, too. You kind of have to know all of those things that were popular in the 50s and the 60s and the 70s.

I was lucky, I guess. I don't know if lucky is a word, but I was properly poised to like this stuff because i spent so much of my time watching nick at night as a child again way too much tv time i had cable in my room i could watch tv till four in the morning and go to sleep whenever i wanted i was not properly parented is what i'd say hey same here that's why we're podcasters yeah boy this is this is like millhouse meeting the other millhouse right now well i think all of us who who are into these things sort of had similar childhoods but i i watched all that stuff like bewitched and f troop and and mary tyler moore show and so i was able to understand not only the references but also just

the general vibe of of comedy that was coming coming from those people like Mike Scully or Schwarzwalder or whatever. Like, I got it. So I got the references to the weird biker culture that was more prevalent in the 60s and 70s than it was in the 90s. Yeah, we were just talking about this not too long ago on the Ritalin episode where there's like a little biker set piece about fire safety. And it's like in this episode, too, they're not like making fun of, let's say, Easy Rider, like the one biker movie everyone knows. They're making fun of things like Hellcats and Side Hackers and Wild Rebels.

Like all of the... It was on Mystery Science Theater. Yeah, all of the Z-grade stuff that no one is really seeing. We just know the tropes. Right. It almost feels wrong to have these references that are like sort of newer, like the,

all the NRBQ stuff in this or the happy day stuff. It's like, ah, that's not really, this is from like 1953 cautionary movies about, about the dangers of wearing a leather jacket. Yeah. I love that Homer watches one of them.

Yeah. First you think it's rebel without a cause of it. He's like like it's like in that movie with that young man and rebel without a cause okay this is parodying it and it's not actually rebel without a cause but i love this episode i don't know if everyone agrees with me but i used to quote this episode every day all the time at school with my family uh when john goodman's character breaks the pencil and uh he's like uh mrs simpson i killed my pencil and he's like no you didn't you didn't kill it you broke it and he just like so sadly looks at this pencil and he says i broke him it's a great uh reading from john goodman i think what stuck with me most, I said it up front, was I was in Catholic school at the time. So hearing Mo say Christ punchers, that's just like a shocking joke for Fox TV 1999.

Yeah, absolutely. This is an episode that's really weird. That takes a lot of chances. That references a lot of adult things. Lots of sexual things. Marge being a cycle slut things of that nature uh well so the episode starts out though with uh after a chalkboard gag of the six cents of bart saying he can't see dead people hey that was a fairly new movie right yeah uh but then we get a reference to a show that

was running at the same time as this episode guinness world records prime time is the official name of the show it only had three seasons on fox but i do remember seeing it yeah and i do remember a giant tumor being featured at some point that was full of teeth and hair disgusting oh all those gross tumor record stories is so gross uh the and well it also but it's easy filler of reality tv stuff like i uh this same presentation of information at the same time there was the ripley's believe it or not show that i believe dean kane hosted oh right yeah that was part of his fall from grace yes yeah fox uh fox seemed to do a ton of these like world's wildest police chases and stuff when

they just didn't have any reruns to show where they they needed to fill time on their schedule which was weird because fox didn't program from 10 to 11 so why did they have such a hard time filling air time i just couldn't figure it out i i'm impressed that they actually paid for guinness world records like the the name instead of just saying like the world's craziest blanks they actually worked with the company that owns that well i think this was because it was a time when people would still scan the tv guide or or the the the whatever that remember the channel guy tv guide channel i guess tv guide channel yeah it's a wait for your channel to scroll by

yeah and so you watch it scroll by, and if you saw Guinness World Records, maybe you'd be like, oh, I wonder what that is. It had name recognition. As the authority of the Guinness organization. They will decide if it's a record. Exactly. But yes, let's hear the clip from the TV broadcast.

Tonight on Guinness Book of World Records, a man who holds the current record for least amount of faces with none. Help me. You'll also see the world's smelliest tumor. Ew, these records used to be real accomplishments. Now they're just gross. Plus, you'll meet a dog who can't predict anything. And three other things.

Ha, ha, ha. When we come back, we'll show you the contents of a supermodel's stomach. And three other things I love the number three Just for spinning What an age we live in Oh look at all that sweet and low Hey remember the 50s Remember television Coca-Cola and Dick Clark I remember television

Come join me Wolfguy Jack At Grease's Cafe Where it's 1955 every day of the year, baby. Actual year may vary. Consult calendar for current year. A 50s-style restaurant. What a neat idea. Why don't we eat there tonight? Nah, we'll go next month. And then they do.

That is such a great joke. They have so many episodes where they watch a commercial that tells them, they decide we're going to do that right now. For once, Homer goes like, no, in a month from now, we're not doing it now. And three other things. We all laughed at it. I like any joke about writing. You could tell in the rooms, like, we need three things.

We need three more things on this list. Let's just say three things and move on. This episode reminds me a lot of, I think, how modern Simpsons episodes are structured, is it feels very bifurcated into two ideas that eventually, you know, that first idea transitions into the second idea and the episode, you know,

either works or doesn't work based on how well those two kind of stories meld in the middle. And this is an episode that's about the 50s nostalgia restaurant and then it becomes about the bike and and in the middle is that connective tissue of like bart showing homer how to ride a motorcycle but it's not it's it's i think a lot of earlier simpsons episodes had more of kind of a traditional story structure. And this is kind of I think maybe this season in particular is the beginning of it kind of being more sketchy, I guess, like in terms of like maybe big ideas, big comic ideas, big surreal ideas that are loosely connected by a premise.

Homer becomes a blank. Homer does blank yeah and like writing wise i've heard people i've heard writers admit like it is a cheat because you only need one act break for your story if your first act is just like the springboard into your story you only need one act break for your actual story which you can see that happening a lot yeah and i think this is one of their shortest first acts ever yeah it feels like it's like three minutes uh and and also yeah the the three other things a joke on the stinky tumor i the only thing that can make them better is i wish these were hosted by troy mcclure obviously they can't be but yeah it probably would have been too in another timeline

uh where he didn't own a gun he probably added that puts you know that puts the guilt on phil hartman for owning yeah yeah but anyway he would have likely hosted it uh but i want to talk about uh wolfman jack yeah somebody like for the longest time i don't know why i knew who he was but i somehow did i think a lot of it was because of the operated citizens brigade sketch about all the alarms uh someone's at the front door baby jack says someone's at the front door baby i love that sketch uh but yeah obviously real dj made most famous for his role in american graffiti that's how i knew wolfman jack was from from that movie because uh american graffiti was set in not too far from my hometown so it was sort of famous uh it's set in modesto california which is where george lucas is from and i'm from merced so it was kind of like oh i should watch this movie because it's

about where i'm from yeah i've never saw american graffiti and i always assumed it was some big nostalgia piece but no it it's about like six years before the before the year the movie comes out it's it's not even that that far back history. I thought it was like a 50s set piece released in the 70s. No, it's not at all. Yeah, I think it's more just about the kind of ideas of growing up and being shipped off to war and those sorts of things that people were thinking about a lot and doing it with distance. I think when you are able to have artistic and chronological distance from the topic that you're talking about, the commentary is more precise and pointed. I'm going through this right now with a pilot that I wrote where it's like, should this be set in the past or should it be set now?

And when you set something in the past, quote unquote, that means that you don't have to directly address the problems that you're dealing with in society right now. But you can talk about it and not feel like preachy it's so hard to stay current with anything that even just in a live action let alone for like the simpsons for a live action production to comment on something that's happening two months before it airs like is is really tough in any way yeah absolutely i mean south park figured out how to be able to comment on things right away uh whether or not that's made that show better or worse is is your decision to make yourself but uh yeah the simpsons couldn't ever really directly comment on things back then because of the lead time that they needed to to actually animate the show and uh wolf guy's

girlfriend she's an american graffiti reference too she is oh meant to actually animate the show. And Wolfguy's girlfriend, she's an American Graffiti reference too. She is meant to look like the character Debbie played by Candy Clark in that film. But specifically the hairstyle she has in it. And I mean, we've, as Bay Area guys, we've been to a Mel's Diner once or twice. I've been told not to go, so I haven't gone. Actually, I might have gone to one

once which one do you go to because there's the one that's on geary probably that one and then there's the one i think it's on fourth uh yeah like right by it's near mission and uh not mission market near market market yeah it's near the um the metreon oh fourth and market for sure that's the one i've been to yeah well either well that case, boy, this is getting into real local specifics, but at that Mel's Diner on Market, you're probably just with your friends who are in town for some conference or something because they're at the conference center. The Moscone Center.

Yeah, they're at Moscone. So you're like, okay, look, let's just eat here. It's Mel's. We all will eat a diner food. It's fine. They built one of these, not a Mel's Diner, but they built a 50 a diner food it's fine like they built one of these not a mel's diner but they built a 50s diner in my hometown like in the late 90s i thought we were done with that then but apparently not and they the outside was the exterior was a shiny metal

and was at the top of a hill so like when you were driving down the hill you're just blinded by this building that the sun was hitting reflecting directly back at you and it was only open for a few years so for like a decade it was just this giant mirror. Nobody was really thinking when they built that. Not at all. The Simpsons will be right back. Welcome to the break, everybody. And a big thank you to our guest with his big resume, Dave Schilling.

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Check all of that out online. do these types of restaurants succeed because of the nostalgia from baby boomers but i mean we is i was trying to think of what's the closest our generation has like definitely barcades are from a similar yeah nostalgia restaurant sale point it's trying to resurrect your feeling of going to like a chucky cheese or something i guess it's sort of like that but without the animatronics and the whimsy um of of a place like chuck e cheese but places like uh johnny rocket which this is what this is still exists as big chains and i i remember going to one of those around this time thinking wow i when i first i didn't go to one of these for the longest time i thought you know like the jackrabbit slims in pulp fiction was just like making it up i didn't

i didn't know it was a reference to these type of things too my favorite part of this this segment of the show is the the final gag where this the restaurant closes like immediately because these would open and they would close and in 50s nostalgia was already on its way out by 1999 I think the second homer sets foot in this or the family opens the door it's like one of five instances of the band nrbq being played in this episode like it's it's the showrunner mike scully's favorite band and this is the most nrbq focused episode of the simpsons like they're practically the biggest guest stars on the show really they're in every act the they wrote an original well they played a song that's original

for them in this episode and like this the song coming in when they go in there is lucille which is you know made famous by the late little richard but i believe they're covering it yeah and they appear in animation and in live action in this episode so it's nuts he's very weird mike scully cops do it on the commentary he's like yeah i abused my power to put my favorite band in here like the end i do very much enjoy the song that they wrote for the episode though i won't i won't go too far as we go through this chronologically but this song is hilarious oh the the gag with lenny uh he like there are two bathrooms marked cool cats and squares but each one he goes into women scream i I had that happen to me, and I think I talked about it on an earlier episode, but that was years ago, where I was at a brewery, and they had cute names for the men's room and the women's room,

but they were so vague and indistinct. I was like, I think I'm this, and I wish I remembered what it was. It was like hops and barley or something like that. And so I went into one of the bathrooms, and I didn't even think like, these are all just stalls i'd even think that so i went into a stall to use the bathroom and then i hear women come in i'm like oh i'm in the wrong bathroom crap and i was like i'll just wait for them to leave and i'm just you know standing in the stall and they just have a conversation you know women talk in bathrooms it's not just a stereotype and at a certain point i was thinking i'm gonna be in here for like minutes on end so like i opened the door. I was like, hey, guys, I'm in the wrong bathroom.

Not going to hurt anybody. Just want to leave. And they're like, oh, it's OK. It's OK. So nobody screamed or maced me. But I did go into the wrong bathroom because don't label them in a cute way. Yeah. Be direct or just make them unisex, you know.

This is the problem when all bathrooms aren't gender neutral. Exactly. These situations occur. But let's also be fair. Lenny is creepy looking. So that's true. No matter what bathroom he goes into, people are going to be terrified. I think he was built for this era, though, the way he's dressed.

That's it. So the fact that it closes after this scene is surprising because when the Simpsons go there, it's a fully attended place and everybody is in there in costume. Like everyone dressed up 50 style to go to greasers and the headlines are pretty funny too especially like beatles unite being a headline that's very that's pretty great and then bart's in an thing that took 11 years to do i'm shocked they waited this long they meet jay north the original dennis the menace from uh the classic live action show which part had been compared to since the i mean he was intentionally made to be the new dennis the menace he's uh this century's dennis the menace as he said right it's true yeah and uh i think the if you guys want to

learn a ton about dennis the menace and the life of j North. Our friend Popperina, that YouTube account, watches Nick Nack's video for Dennis the Menace. You will learn quite a lot about it. He had a rough time, that Jay North. We were all tortured by that show and Lassie if you were watching Nickelodeon in the 80s. Worst. Boy, I watched way too much Dennis the Menace

considering it was not good. But what else were you going to watch? These kids today, they can just Netflix up any of their favorite cartoons and just stream them endlessly. not good but what else were you gonna watch you know these kids today they can just netflix up any any of their favorite cartoons and just stream them endlessly but you had to watch what nick was playing in our in our childhoods yeah we were at the mercy of baby boomer programmers who thought everybody wanted to watch dennis the middest and then the movie comes out with i remember what year it was in the 90s when the movie came out and what a what a stinker probably 93 94 not not

walter not walter mathau's uh finest hour would you would you say that the the dennis the menace movie was a direct result of the simpsons being such a big hit people thought oh let's capitalize on bart o mania and put out a dennis the menace movie i think that and home alone i think it was yeah a little blonde kid and being mischievous i also think like there is a clock running out on a lot of brands like 93 is the last year of dennis the menace uh nostalgia we have to get this movie in now yeah there was a there was a gold rush of 50s and 60s nostalgia movies after the brady bunch where you've got dennis the menace and car 54 where are you drag net adam's family well drag net was an 80s one but yeah i mean there's just they're just all coming out and you know what i think drag net's a good movie even things like things like

swat which i don't remember being a tv show but that was a movie oh yeah and like wild wild west no one remembers that tv show but they remember the movie. Yeah. But as the night goes on, a dance contest begins. Homer at first refuses. Wow, look at this old-timey gizmo. I feel like I've gone back in a time machine. Dad, they have those everywhere. What an age we live in. Oh!

Oh! Oh, ah, ah, ow! Oh, man. My throat doctor says I'm not supposed to do that anymore. Okay, is everybody ready for our nightly dance contest? Dancing? Oh, no, you're not getting me on that dance floor. Don't try and make me. If I have to give it a divorce, I will. Our grand prize

tonight is a vintage 1955 Harley Davidson motorcycle. I need a dance partner. What about you? Okay, daddy-o. Maybe that's why they shut down. They were giving away motorcycles every night for small dance competitions.

Seems like a lot of lost money there it's quite a reward yeah i also uh it feels like that was his area actually commenting on how much it hurts to be wolfman jack or to do the wolfman jack that's why he had passed away five years before this episode aired the real wolfman jack and uh yeah i think i think in the ball fiction for their dance contest they only they only like get a little trophy or something. Yeah, there's no motorcycle. I guess they just needed some way to get Homer a motorcycle without him just saying, I'm going to buy a motorcycle. And John Schwarzwalder wrote tons of crazy directions for their dance in the script.

Though the director of the episode, he shouts out joey nigels is the animator for the crazy dance sequence and uh you know it's a good thing to remember just because a guy writes a funny dance sequence in this script it can't really become that until the the animator can execute it well so i was glad that guy got a a shout out there favorite gag and that is not even an animation gag it's uh when march is thrown back in time by Homer. That gag confused a lot of people on the old TV Simpsons back in the day. They didn't quite understand it. Why did Marge say, oh, a nostalgia diner?

It's Superman rules. It's like Superman flew around the world. You're right. But animation-wise, Homer's spinning Marge upside down. Grabbing her by her hair. Oh, yeah, yeah, that too. Spin spinning her at the end is a really good animation yeah i love the like smears on it she takes uh some weird shapes and uh but also yeah i think one of the most violent things homer's ever done to marge is swinging her by her hair which i think is only made less it's made less concerning

because marge swings him by the foot right before that. So I guess it's at least like equitable, I suppose. At this point in the episode, I've sort of lost track of the reality of like, oh, what does this physically mean to these characters? Because the show itself doesn't care. And I know some people are perturbed by how surreal this episode is. But again, one of my favorites because of how silly it is. And so Homer wins his bike and immediately turns on everyone.

Just like, get away from me. I actually have a quick clip of that. That's great. Well, well, well, I've never seen such reckless disregard for a wife's well-being in my life. You just won yourselves a motorcycle. It's mine. Finally, I've won the respect of my fellow men. Get away from it!

That's great acting on Dan. I just love his like, get away from it, like just the turn there. And there was a song that's not played by NRBQ in this episode, surprisingly. A rare one, yeah. The Mental House Rock rock there's so much original music in this it's actually pretty shocking the mental house rock's fun it's not like the greatest but it's a it's a fun little parody of jailhouse rock i wonder what time it came in maybe they thought like getting the animation back even they could have been like there should be a different song here we can't just play jailhouse rock or a similar sock hop song i gotta say it's probably a budget thing they come back and they find out how much it's gonna cost to have jailhouse rock and it's

like well why don't we just write our own version of jailhouse rock all the budget went to nrbq exactly well so i bet you could get like 17 nrbq songs for one elvis oh yeah their discography i think you can own the band for how much it costs to buy an elvis song they'll become your regular uh composers for every episode i mean this episode is their pension right yes i can only imagine what the checks are like for the sag checks and whatnot then we see that the greaser shut down the next day and that his uh girlfriend debbie has left him uh well you can only assume that he finds he dies soon after that from his throat pain uh and that's then commercial break right there five five i think it's like five 10 and if you count the minute and a half long opening it

really is three and a half minutes of story before that he's got the motorcycle i wonder if they originally ended the the commercial break seems pretty natural at the end of the song and the next bit that i could see that being where the commercial was before and then they moved it earlier that feels more naturally the end of the first act yeah yeah it's nothing that happens in that first act comes back to be referenced later on in the episode we're not like uh it doesn't matter where the act break is it's not like we're worried about wolf guy jack and the plight of his restaurant business yeah i assume he does die as you said i think i think he suffers so horribly the rest of his life. And so Bart points out to Homer that he's bending the hell out of that kickstand because he's just wiggling around on a bike.

Homer reveals he can't ride a bike, which obviously is discontinuity. Homer's ridden a bike many times before, but if you want a specific example, in the episode Duffless, he rides a bike for most of that episode after he loses his license that's right yeah yeah you ride a motorcycle or a bike well I guess they're very different I can ride a bike I could not ride a motorcycle I would immediately decapitate myself all right when did he jump the gorge well he jumps the gorge in a motorcycle in the movie but that's after this he learned his motorcycle training in this episode to jump the gorge okay right you're right you're right okay i think that was more of a dirt bike gentleman

if we're being if we're being truly pedantic here you're right there's a great little gag too of uh bart laughing through multiple scenes which nancy does a really good job yeah yeah i would say uh points off for it being a retread of the same scene with Burns. Yeah, when he's laughing at the crippled Irishman. Yes, but Nancy really sells it. And I love the part where Bart agrees to stop laughing and still can barely stop while talking. It's very, very funny. And then we get the next song in this episode, Mayonnaise and Marmalade.

I'll play just a second of it here man you're bending the hell out of that kickstand dad why don't you just take it for a ride promise you won't laugh yeah i promise i don't know how you're kidding you don't know how You're kidding. You don't know how. Will you teach me? Of course. You showed me everything else, tripped me by the hand.

Puppy dogs and Lincoln logs and castles made of sand. yeah i guess i never listened to the lyrics before this viewing and i was like oh this the song is a joke i finally i thought i was like oh you got some cat steven stuff like you were saying henry it's such a cat steven sound alike the line at the end where they sing uh if you weren't a man and you weren't my dad i'd marry you and then the pan up to the moon and the moon turns around and bart and homer are smiling at each other that's so corny i love it it's so weird absolutely amazing yeah it's they it was not it's performed by nrbq but written by like donna carrie and george meyer and others in there but it's such a perfect parody of cat steven style fatherhood songs that you know are about the love between a father and son and they take it to such a funny next level of like well this turns into a love song a romantic love song between father and son who admits like i would marry you if you weren't my dad my my

favorite gag in this whole like montage of motorcycle antics is when homer like runs off the bike with training wheels and then was like peeking up out of the window upstairs while the bike just goes through the fence uh and and also his bike is pretty nigh indestructible also like it goes through a roof and then he rides it later well later we'll find out these bikes are very lightweight oh that's true yeah yeah they're they're versatile they can do a lot of things i i recommend everyone buy a motorcycle because they seem to come in handy indestructible and easily to easy to handle with your hands yeah i also castlenet is on the commentary he says like he had recorded the original demo for the song but didn't have a backing track so he just kind of had to make it up that's right and rbq had to figure out the actual like instrumentation of it

uh but yes homer that shot of them on the moon such a cute little shot then homer now is an awesome uh bike rider and jerk who uh intrudes into the bart's classroom where he smashes martin into a wall these days hearing nelson say sweet hog mr simpson feels different yeah i i definitely paused the episode for a minute to ponder the uh his meaning there for a minute but it's totally innocent and i also like seymour telling them like don't listen to him children but i already did and uh then it cuts to the church homers uh shouting over lovejoy which i blame lovejoy for letting him bring a bike into the church that's that's on him there and the other parishioners are happy to have it end early anyway so you know i just want to point out that uh you might not

think of this if you're not an art person and i'm certainly not but motorcycles are hard to draw yeah you're right uh thousands of times hard to draw. So like the amount of ways this thing is maneuvered and later picked up and used like a sword, like so much extra work on the animators. And they do a great job. Yeah. I think I fear they get underappreciated with how much work it is to draw a motorcycle because you see it or you see a horse and if it's done well, then you just think like, well, yeah, it's a motorcycle.

It's just there. It's like, can you draw from every angle doing many different things? Yeah. think like well yeah it's a motorcycle yeah it's just there it's like can you draw from every angle doing many different things yeah it's it's ridiculously detailed when you look at that at that model that they drew there's all kinds of little things that you can point out and look at i think even the animators like as gearhead they got some gearhead on it to make sure it was accurate to a 1955 original harley davidson not even just of any old harley that's madness and uh yes then after homer has enjoyed some biker fun he gets influenced by television once more in this uh this next clip and now back to your tuesday morning movie oh i don't know what's come over Jimmy. He won't do his

homework. He only salutes the flag with one finger, and he comes home every night with other people's blood on his shirt. He's a rebel, I tell you. A rebel without a cause. Just like that boy in that popular movie we saw. Yeah, that's the life for me, Marge.

Cruisin' and hasslin' shopkeepers. When will you teens learn to be uncool like everyone else? Never, Pops. That's right, never. Yeah, you can arrest me, but you'll never defeat the Cobras. Nothing can defeat a motorcycle gang. A gang? That's the answer answer to what hey don't make me hassle you lisa it's one of my favorite jokes in simpsons where this is not a parody of the thing the thing exists in this world yes it just happens to be another thing like block-o-land right it's not

like lego lander lucius sweet and don king both exist in the same world i i do like the implication that's very subtle you'd have to kind of think about it that homer is no longer going to work he is watching the tuesday morning movie and drinking a beer i wonder if that joke was put it after the fact like to sweeten it just like homer is on the couch watching uh a show let's just make it tuesday morning yeah for the fact, like to sweeten it. Just like Homer's on the couch watching a show. Let's just make it Tuesday morning for the sake of it. I do like it, though, because he's on his second beer. Yes.

And Lisa's home for some reason. Yeah. Why'd she do it on a Tuesday? Well, maybe it's the summer. Maybe Homer has just decided to stop driving them to school because of his newfound rebellion. He calls other people conformos, so he probably is thinking it's conformity to work someplace. And also, yes, the shopkeeper stuff keeps coming up. Even the real bikers we see later, they do hate shopkeepers.

They dream of beating up shopkeepers. This is a very anti-capitalist episode. In this episode and the next one, Homer gets an idea from a movie that will change the direction of his life. That's right. And then I also, Lisa, again, being the scold of the plot of just like, fix what?

What are you talking about? And so Homer gets together his buddies, Lenny, Carl, and Mo and mo to join his motorcycle gang mo has a beaten up old bike while lenny and carl don't have anything and then ned wants to join in which uh leads to one they bring back his classic rumpus room haven't heard for about that in a while there's a new toy in there too yeah i've have any of you guys played bumper pool level or ever i have not i don't know the rules i've seen we're not it looks like it's for babies right i've seen the tables at places but like other games uh i'm not sure what the rules are if i'll damage the table in some way so uh yeah same with uh like snooker what is that i

don't i that's for that's for british people to tell me uh but yes they get ned to join the gang as well but ned has some notes in this next awesome clip hey homer can i join this gang's for rebels flanders not conformal yeah well if i were a member we could use my rumpus room as our lair that guy just don't get it do it My rumpus room with the new bumper pool table? Bumper pool? You got bumper three. The first meeting of Hell's Satans is called to order. I move we reconsider our club name.

Make it something a little less blasphemous. After all, we don't want to go to hell. How about the Devil's Pals? No, you see... Or the Christ Punches. The Christ... I don't think you understand my objection i'm the president and the decision is mine where hell satan's besides i already made our club jacket oh machine wash warm tumble dry oh la la i love whenever ned loses his glasses a bit down his

nose in shock it doesn't happen that often but during his reaction to the Christ Punchers, it slides a little. And Christ Punchers straight out of Schwarzwalder's script, and they fought the censors on it. I also love, like, you know, sometimes people say Harry Shearer phones things in, but him acting there of Ned being, like, just flummoxed by christ punchers is so good i don't think you understand my objection it's really well well uh delivered the way he goes like the christ he can't even bring himself to say it uh and the jackets they get are like this powder blue and i think based on the commentary they're saying it's a reference to happy days where they gave fonzie like a very uh like lightly

colored and visually appealing gang jacket to not be too scary because the 70s tv audience could not handle the funds yes yeah we'll talk a lot about the funds uh in this but yeah yeah he's coming up the classic story see the three of us as nick at night Watchers, we experienced happy days with a, you know, retro, double retro lens on it of them making fun of the things like how Fonzie never rides his motorcycle on screen like in the early, because Henry Winkler didn't know how to ride a motorcycle. They just play a sound effect when you walk in the door. And yes, the powder blue jacket because

they would terrify middle america with uh with a greaser on tv like panzerelli i i think it's really fascinating this you look at this episode structure again it's like this part of the episode could have been the episode there are so many simpsons stories where Homer gets the group together of his friends and they do a thing. Like they barbershop quartet or they start a bowling team or whatever. Just him and Flanders and Lenny and Carl and Mo or being a motorcycle gang could have been the episode. By the time Meat Hook and everybody shows up, Len and carl and moe and and flanders are gone i don't show up again for the episode i totally agree with you yeah i feel like the one failing on this episode that i think is very funny is that the uh the hell satans kind of

disappear after homer is threatened by meat hook and ramrod and i really would like to see uh you know flanders lenny carl and moe go with on his journey. Yeah, yeah. It had to make room instead for the Mars gets kidnapped thing. But for the little bit we see of their Hell's Satan's gang, they're so funny, like, seeing them on their different rides and becoming 50-styles greasers while in their late 30s. Like, it's Carl on his moped, like, his italian style moped i love that rented too yeah you could it's just like if you watch it you could kind of tell that there's material left on the table there were opportunities to do more with that premise and they just kind of decided

to do a different thing i still love the third act of the episode it's just that it's very different and you feel like there's more meat on the bone of homer starting his own motorcycle gang if his friend's motorcycle gang had stuck around it would have been even more similar to wild hogs that's true right exactly and i think the marge stuff was important for us to know like marge is not in danger and the scenes with her are very sweet yes yeah uh but uh i do really love this scene of Homer taunting Wiggum here. It's pretty great. Hell's Satan's, huh?

I'm watching you punks. Can't hassle us, pig. We're going to speed limit. Oink, oink, oink. Yeah, pig. Oink, oink, oink. You'll make a mistake someday. And then you're going straight to juvie you can lock us away but

you'll never defeat the cobras cobras i thought you were the hell satans very timely material here oh yeah yeah i mean we've all learned how easy it is to hurt a cop's feelings too yeah yeah i also homer is is incorrect that they don't need an excuse to uh arrest you sadly uh wigum could just say he's resisting arrest but uh yeah watch out carl yeah you know what i i felt really that when carl pops in to join in the oinking i'm like oh carl boy tone it down carl now is not the time okay buddy wake up could just say probable cause and have like dogs come out and like yeah you know search them all calling eddie and lou this is uh this is depressed yeah let's uh let's talk about yeah uh let's head to the quickie mart where uh they're but this was something that

did remind me of a recent thing of i've never played that coins game they're playing but uh now i just associate it with the michael jordan documentary that uh that just came out because he plays it in the in the final game pitching pennies oh is that what it yeah okay i don't know the rules of this game well you're not living in like the 40s or depressionary america rather but uh i mean dave you probably saw the final dance right oh the last dance last dance yeah pitching pennies is definitely a uh a game that not a lot of people play anymore uh i don't understand how it works or why people do it but it's you know it seems like a miscreant sort of game. Yeah, it's like gambling. Yeah, gambling being considered an illicit activity, not something that I associate with gambling anymore

just because it's so commonplace. But I guess at the time, if you're outside of a liquor store and you're gambling, you're rolling bones or you're pitching pennies or something, you're a bad kid. Apparently, there's like six slang terms for pitching pennies in british english so there's uh pap penny up keely nippy pitch and toss chucks or jingies wow those ah boy there's a lot of there's a lot of uh street gambling happening in the uk i guess like a lot of British slang, they all sound like a slur of some kind, too. I was saying jingies and quotes, okay?

Yes, these are all quotes. Yeah, please don't. Please, guys. Come on now. Don't call Carl that. Oh, no. But as Apu chases them off, I do like the entire time in the background, you can see Ned just terrified. Yeah.

He's so scared. And Apu promised Manjula he wouldn't use a broom but this is america damn it it's uh they're drawn to look like the american gothic painting yeah it's weird to see manjula in a non-apu manjula episode and they paid jan hooks for the appearance too well is the next episode um the the episode with the octuplets uh that was actually the previous episode the one right before this yeah so maybe she just maybe they just kind of crammed it all together in terms of recording but i guess you still get paid for multiple episodes if you do multiple episodes jan hooks like uh got to cash in there she honestly she could have been uh she was probably too expensive to be a utility player used as often as phil hartman was but she's she's that good she

doesn't need to just be pigeonholed to doting wife manjula so they then cut to homer in bed reading a scandalous uh magazine i do think homer taking a photo of marge sleeping in her underwear and sending it to a magazine is a new low for him definitely and admitting that she would have said no if he had asked her so pretty fucked up no there's a lot of questionable marge material in this episode from her you know being abused during the dance competition to the illicit photographs of her as a cycle slut to the the orgy and the implications of you know what the biker gang is going to do to her it's just it's that part of it has not aged well at all yeah yeah the uh as our friend says at pop arena the past was a mistake

but um uh but yeah you know what before i play our next clip uh we are recording this one a couple months out and you always got to be careful on talking simpsons when you talk about guest stars over a certain age yeah so it's time to play our cautionary anti-death jingle here. I ain't dead yet! So John Goodman and Henry Winkler.

Yes, the Fonz himself here playing the sidekick to Meat Hook, Ramrod. And John Goodman, who's like he's great in everything. I love him. Yeah, in fact, he was getting into, like, he had done voice acting roles before this.

I believe he was in that awful movie, We're Back, A Dinosaur Story. Oh, yes. Playing a T-Rex or something. But around this time, he was in a ton of stuff. Like, in a month, he'd be on Futurama playing Santa Claus, and he'd also be playing Pacha, I believe,

in Emperor's New Groove. Oh, yeah. And, like, just a ton of voice stuff around this time for john goodman he'd be in monsters university a couple years after this yeah it was probably recording it at the time of doing the simpsons as well knowing how in advance pixar does stuff what's interesting about john goodman as a voice actor to me is that he his voice is so recognizable that you he can't really disappear into the part that he's playing, but he is so good at every line delivery in this episode.

I think everything that Meat Hook says is funny, including the lines I've already mentioned that we'll get to later. He's fantastic, and he elevates the script. Not that it's a bad script. I think it's a great episode, but he really makes it so much funnier just by being such a compelling guest character yeah he's you're right he's not a guy who does a bunch of voices or can play other people but he's so good at the type of guy he gets cast in like a biker type dude like i mean his his character in uh let's call it the connors

that's what it's called now. Like he ran a bike shop. Yeah, yeah. It fits Ford Connors. One of that family's many failed businesses. And also, you know, it's interesting. A year after this episode aired, he was starring in a one season show for Fox as well. Normal Ohio, where he played a gay man. That's right.

Moving back to town. Which that was a show show run by Bob Cushel the other writer famously who had some problems when he briefly wrote for the Simpsons so he was not put in TV jail no he was not no he's I mean he's a white guy so

you're right if I if I sneezed wrong I'd be in TV jail but Bob Cushel lucked out there but yeah then we've got you. You pointed this out on a previous one we did, Bob, that this is a real happy days run for the Simpsons here. Oh, yeah, because up next we will have Gary Marshall. No, the last episode.

Oh, last episode. We're recording these all out of order. So we just had Gary Marshall and now we have the Fonz himself. And Ron Howard before that. Yeah, yeah. So, again, where's Donnie Most? Gotta find him. Give me some Potsy, baby.

That's sweet, but sit on it. It being The Simpsons. But yeah, why don't we hear our two big guests here as they confront Homer. We're the Hell Satans out of Bakersfield. You're the Hell Satans? What a fun coincidence. My gang's name is also the shot You stole our club name according to our bylaws. We got a stump you

Take off that jacket man Eat it. All right. Hey, hey. Chew with your mouth closed, please. Done. Okay, Meat Hook. I think he learned his lesson. Oh, man. Now you gotta eat that, too.

You cut anything else with our logo on it? Caps and Frisbees, sir. You gotta eat that too oh you got anything else with our logo on it caps and frisbees sir you gotta eat them too and some pogs pogs were just old enough to be funny yeah so they really knew when to make that joke uh the marking homer's too good of a marketer of himself he paid for all this merchandise uh the pogs seem the easiest to eat i hope they let him like mash it up in milk or something to make it a little easier this is a classic simpsons escalation joke where you start with a ridiculous premise and then you just continue to give more and more ridiculous instances of that premise um and homer's laugh very hard homer's too stupid to know that he doesn't have to tell these guys about the other things that say hell satan's either he's an honest man homer simpson i i have to say like i think around this time we were experiencing a real like winkler renaissance because um i was just looking

to see what he was doing because when happy days ended he was kind of a joke like oh yeah fonzie whatever uh go sit on it in the unemployment line why don't you but uh apparently i totally forgot about this because i haven't seen in a while but his big like comeback was in uh scream uncredited as the principal that's right yeah i was gonna say the water boy and then the water boy yeah i forgot the scream one i just remembered water boy but yeah the the scream he's uncred i think he was even uncredited so it surprises you he's yeah yeah and then all then finally like when we got to Arrested Development it was like oh yeah this guy is cool he's the cool character actor now you can put in things yeah I guess it took you know from night shift all the way to this this

era for him to rehabilitate his image and for people to forget about happy days and uh or then they could at least laugh at the jumping of the shark and he can be like yeah it was crazy huh they can all laugh together he literally jumps over a shark in the rest of development it was a very Shatner-esque trajectory of I'm embarrassed by this too this isn't so bad too

here's how I can use this to my advantage and now he's on that show Barry and he's really good on it I've heard good things about that show barry and he's really good on i've heard good things about that show absolutely remarkable if you're not watching it i'm very disappointed in you it's it's incredible he's uh well now we all have it on hbo max for the low price of 14.99 i just signed up you'd signed up before they launched it would have been 11.99 so that's true i held out for more adult swim shows but i turned out to to be short on the stick on that one.

They didn't have Space Jam at launch. I still can't get over that. Got to get all the basketball players to sign off on that. They're still waiting on Sean Bradley. See, I can make a sports reference. I know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love sports.

This podcast is not as short as Muggsy Bogues. Hey. Oh. We only know players who were in Space Jam. Yeah. Muggs Bunny is my favorite basketball player. But yeah, this bit of him also popping out the knife that you think is a switchblade, but then he has a switchblade fork to make him eat.

I love that joke too and uh they decide they're just gonna move in because homer uh has has insulted them too much and that's when we get another nrbq song apparently their most famous song me and the boys still never heard still never heard of it no i i don't know anything about this band. I forgot they existed until I watched this episode. Oh, okay. Is this fake? I mean, no offense to the gentleman. I just never knew about these guys. They seem charming.

They're all wearing festive muumus at the end in their live action bit. They seem like a fun jam band kind of thing, I guess. I can't really tell what they are. They're the New Rhythm and Blues Quartet. I see. It's in their name i think it's the perfect kind of thing that that a comedy writer would like yeah a white comedy writer no offense to white people or comedy yeah i do yeah it's just like this is kind of weird i like this i do like their song about lou albano oh i gotta hear that one i haven't heard this one uh also in the biker gang as we pan over the audience we get to see uh two that are based on a writer and an artist for the show the one if you see one in

a hat with a feather in it that's made to look like ron haugi and uh there's another guy who has a bandana and a long black ponytail that is lance wilder who was a character designer on the show so uh those those are cute little shout outs in there i think that the family once the bikers move in the family should leave just be like you know the house is yours like we're out of here just get that abandoned sign and just hanging on the door yeah uh but yes homer finds out that uh the cops aren't so helpful in this situation i think it's great you've chosen to crash here, but do you have to be so messy? Yeah, it's part of being a lowlife.

Hello, police? Can you send a SWAT team to 742 Evergreen? Forget it, Simpson. Those pig noises you made really hurt my feelings looking like a pig as i do but you have so much inner beauty well uh be that as it may uh the gang is wanted in eight other states and we have a little saying around here let michigan handle it

that's uh i do like wigam even like, looking like a pig as I do. He knows he looks like a pig. He takes it extra personally. But, yeah, Homer can't even get himself swatted, unfortunately, and get rid of the, I guess it's Michigan's problem. That lets you know Springfield is not in Michigan. You can mark that off on what state they're in. And then we cut to marge making him

breakfast and i really do like them smashing eggs and cutting up a lucky charms box thinking the eggs into the toaster uh and then marge kind of becomes like wendy to the lost boys for for them for the rest of this episode and uh we also find out that Meat Hook murdered a man in Oakland as well. At an IHOP. No, Waffle House. Or wait, yeah. It's an IHOP. You're right.

They strike me as a Waffle House crowd, you know? Yeah. There's no Waffle Houses in Oakland, California. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I miss, you know, now that I live, I grew up on the other side of the Mississippi with Waffle Houses aplenty.

But I've missed out on, same with Dairy Queens. There's maybe like three Dairy Queens in California or something. I mean, so is Blizzard's. I was more of a Foster's Freeze guy anyway. We got those. Yep. Well, also the specifics here, they said they're out of Bakersfield.

They say Oakland. This is a very specifically California gang, isn't it? I feel like all of those movies that we were talking about earlier, they're all like California biker gangs. You know why? Because it was cheaper to film in L.A. I was going to say drugs, but I think that's also part of it. Well, we can film in the Angeles National Forest or we can film in Sylmar or whatever. Why don't we just say it's California so we don't have to look stupid?

And as Marge is cleaning up everybody she's uh also has all of the bandanas thrown at them like she's marge is at her most homemakery in this i'd say it's um kind of sexist i guess but maybe she's doing it as a just a survival tactic really i i don't mind it. The more that I've thought about it. I mean, there are certainly sex things that are bothersome about this episode. But The Simpsons, from the beginning, was a parody of traditional American sitcom nuclear family situations. So Marge's default being, I got to clean up after these guys. Makes sense from a character standpoint. After watching this, I rewatched You Only Move Twice. And of course, there's that subplot for Marge where she has the smart house and she doesn't know what to do. So she just becomes an alcoholic.

Like that makes sense because that is that's who Marge is. Better or worse, that's who Marge is. She is a parody of June Cleaver. So I'm okay with it, even though it doesn't ring true to our more modern sensibilities about how people should respect

everyone and everyone should be allowed to do as they please and stuff like that. This is a boomer sort of parody. In a way that's clever for her, I think she's using her skills to sort of appeal to these crazy people that have occupied their house like how can i like you know pacify them i uh also we find out that henry winkler's character's name is ramrod george meyer brings up that that was the name of the equipment manager from the grateful dead because george meyer is a big big deadhead though they say that it's more

because that was one of the names mentioned in Hunter S. Thompson's book on the Hells Angels which is how I think a lot a whole generation got their information on specifically the Hells Angels biker gang and I you know I got to know

the Hells Angels because of I was a big viewer of that show oz back back in the day when it was new and they had uh i think it was chuck z if it was that it's chuck z he was like an ex uh hell's angels guy who was teaching them how to have accurate biker gangs in the prison on oz chuck zito that was his name zito okay because he appeared in some wrestling stuff too i think he goofed around with well because there's actually a reference to a WCW thing later in here

too you barely see the logo for the Hellsatans but I thought it was a parody of the Hells Angels logo no it's just an upside down A with wings oh so I don't know what they're going for there but I mean you can just barely see it on the bikes for Homer's gang.

Oh, and then there's like the grossest joke in the episode about the kids bathing outside and Rod and Todd watching them. I was like, ugh. Yeah, oh God, I forgot about that. That made me feel just gross. Another thing where it's just like, this is not okay.

Ned needs to get out of this gang and watch his kids. Yeah, I know. Rod and Todd being perverts is a recurring theme on this show. Yeah, it's the cheap. It's a different direction. I don't want to say cheap. It's a different direction they went in with them. Instead of just being giant wusses, they also imply that the joke is that they are being so sheltered that is actually fostering a deviant sexuality that they are not addressing in a healthy manner because they're too sheltered.

Oh, sure. I mean, I definitely get it. You know, it's just I guess it just doesn't seem like something that a television show would ever do now. It's a comedy. It's a darker place to bring in Ron and Todd, especially to do that kind of gross joke to involve Lisa in it. Lisa, yeah. It feels way worse to me. It's implied they were peeping on Bart before that.

Yeah, those two need to get a life. As we find out in a flash forward later this season, they are in the future gay and Bart doesn't out them. But anyway, so Homer then for no reason given in the future gay and bart doesn't out them so uh but anyway uh so homer then for no reason given in the show he changes his mind and he's going to stand up to the bikers that that feels like a scene is missing there where homer's like you know what no i'm gonna stand up to these bikers yeah i don't know what makes him get motivated but it just it just sort of happens yeah it does feel like there's something missing there yeah you want to you have to ask yourself like homer has gone from being rebellious

to now being in a sense a cuckold of these guys and now he's going to fight back against these people who ideally you know based on what we know about homer he would kind of idolize because he's decided to be a rebel it is confusing but uh in service of the jokes i i don't mind it though i do like that homer college essay style has a ben franklin quote ready for them and it's accurate too i mean he doesn't get through but it's like uh i think the quote is guests like fish begin to smell after three days okay right right that's one of his the many ben franklin's wonderful aphorisms that that uh set the stage for america but uh yes homer finds out he doesn't have to give that whole speech okay bikers that's it benjamin franklin once said that house guests are like fish at

at huh they're gone and those bikers saw that hard look in my eye. You know that hard look I get sometimes? And they ran away like schoolgirls with their tails between their legs. Ah! Eee-hoo-hoo! Eee-hee-hee-hee-hee! Way to go, Dad. Hey, where's the food?

And why aren't I at school? Yeah, someone really dropped the ball here. Marge? Marge! Dad, there's a note on the back of your head. Really? Read it. I love the establishing shot of this kitchen scene because you can tell they're moving their forks and knives over nothing. Oh, yeah. And it does seem like a very sports world where you think it's like, hey, where's our food and why aren't I at school? Just like the sudden realization is like we're eating nothing and we're also home.

Yeah, that's really great. There's also the total throwaway joke where there's the pin in Homer's head and then, of course, Bart puts the pin back after he takes the note. No reaction from Homer about getting a pin jabbed in the back of his skull. None at all. Good Foley, too. Ohley too oh yeah very very gross yeah the bart bart just also the way he puts it back in the way you would with a cork board like not even looking like just putting it back on there and homer is fully accepting that he's uh he's fine that he's walked around with a note pinned to the back of his head seemingly all day and without noticing it uh and yeah okay so they took marge and fortunately like in the next scene they pretty quickly established that there's nothing sexual to it everything is above board

it's a necessary scene but i like the sort of subversion of that where marge is like really none of you are attracted to me but they underline like five times like there is no danger of sexual assault for Marge we're not going to go in that direction that's more of a family guy kind of choice yes yeah I don't even know if they needed to say that I think

it's a Simpsons episode it's a broadcast sitcom animated if you're going in that direction mentally there's something wrong with you yeah they I guess they were they were feeling the pressure to make it clear that nothing happens to Marge off screen and she is you know physically safe there there was going to be a consensual orgy at some point yes that's true I think also it's probably just in service of the

joke of nobody wanting to to have anything to do with marge sexually it hurts marge's feelings yes yeah i think it's enough for the episode to make clear that marge has become their house mom reforming them i don't even think uh you need to establish the lack of sexual tension marge is lying like well good i guess i love that i love that reading from julie yeah and her little like look up as she says like i guess like yeah it's even when she's like even you didn't see the picture in the there yeah we saw it we uh also speaking of jokes that didn't age well with what we know about mail order brides and the horrible things saw it we uh also speaking of jokes that didn't age well with what we know about mail-order brides and the horrible things those women go through that i i just don't laugh

at mail-order bride jokes anymore yeah they feel a bit dated for the late 90s like mail-order bride jokes they expired in like 89 it feels like and homer especially having a booklet for korean love brides it's just like it's a bummer just sad he he is married yeah over is a married man his vulnerability of like i just don't want to be alone i like that uh but it's just been like a day it's also funny in the establishing shot you see they've started covering up the holes in the house which that almost feels like too too much care for homer like i think he just leave it smashed up but uh so homer goes on the hunt he ends up at a bar a biker bar where uh nrbq is playing they're they're all over uh they're all

drawn in there and if you didn't know it was them their logos even on their drum uh their bass drum is there a number i can order their latest album on the screen i would not know it was them you're right and uh the song of theirs if you want to look it up is want you to feel good too that's the name of the the third nrbq song fourth nrbq song we've heard in this episode and apparently uh jay north is in this establishing shot i missed that yeah he's hard to see but uh i love any smash cut to a grave but this is just as close a smash cut to unconscious homer yeah i kind of feel like if this was an episode made today and the writers were trying to find you know the band that was going to be the weird obnoxious band everybody likes it would be ween

like if i would put ween in a simpsons episode as many times as possible. So I get it. I understand the impulse. They're at the same level of fame as NRBQ, I'd say. Exactly. And I think that they are that band for people that are either Gen X or like cusp millennials. And yeah, there's some really great jokes as they pan over. My favorite is the,

at first I thought he was unconscious, but he doesn't react even when homer smashes the glass so i think it's a dead man who's having his back used as a dartboard but just that he has a circle on his on his uh jacket so the guy another guy is just listlessly throwing darts onto it and uh yeah the the number of times homer gets knocked unconscious especially first he you see the pool cue hit then the next time he walks in and he's tapping the glass and then it just you don't even have to see the impact he's just unconscious and just like 50 feet away from the bar too and then the next time he walks back in and says the some folks never learn uh that's

great that's some great stupid homerisms there and And I love this scene when they go to Marge and the bikers of Ramrod just idly stabbing himself in the leg, like just in a very bored way. And this is then where we learn a little bit about pronunciation, too. All right, Satans, we roll out at dawn. Where are we going? To the Biker's Jamboree in South Dakota. You'll love it. Mickey Rourke's coming, and we we going to the biker's jamboree in south dakota you'll love it mickey rourke's coming and we're gonna jump him you know there's more to life than boozing and roughhousing haven't any of you ever had a dream yeah i had a dream i was in this beautiful garden pounding the crap out of a shopkeeper no no i'm in the dream of a good job a loving family and a home in the suburbs

oh man to get all that you'd have to kill like 50 people you don't have to kill anyone not if you have jobs and the first step is an eye-catching resume now i believe it's pronounced resume actually both are acceptable i love i love the quiet meat hook yeah just like both he's he's observed some facts in his lifetime of murder i think i always said it the marge way of resume not resume i've also heard i say resume resume resume now that's just crazy. I say. Trace-a-may. Ooh, good shampoo. La la. I say resume. I like having a may. Resume. It's inviting to me.

You know, Brits, they get to just say CV. That cuts down on the confusion, I suppose. But yeah, that came out of a real thing of just Julie Kavner pronouncing it that way. Other people in the room going like, well, that right that sounds wrong and then they look it up to to not have to fully correct julie cavner and be like you know what it's fine they're both fine those harvard goons should know uh you know may scully's not a harvard guy maybe he was mistaken one there also this talk of going to the uh south dakota biker rally uh it reminds me of the sturgis biker rally which i only know because wcw the wrestling organization indulgently

had multiple pay-per-views happen there wow road wild road yeah they first the first one they called hog wild and harley davidson sued them because uh they hog is their thing it's true road wilds were very weird because uh well so eric bischoff who's running wcw he is a wild hogs type guy who is like oh i'm a rich guy but i'm also kind of a bad boy on a motorcycle so he was like we're gonna have a wrestling event at this sturgis thing and every biker can go to this for free like Like, they were free wrestling pay-per-views. They got no money. And let's just say to those bikers, if you listen to them, not too receptive to some of the wrestlers who weren't white there.

Oh, no. Yeah, and maybe didn't know anything about WCW or the storylines or the characters and just only cheeredered for hulk hogan who had just become a bad guy yeah it's uh the first time hearing of racism in biker gangs wow i know i know it's a thing that i wish they'd addressed in this episode yeah i know it's not i'm kidding i do not address this as the simpsons don't do that uh but uh yeah that's that's the only way I know the Sturgis Biker Rally thing but Mickey Rourke also he had uh in the film Harley Davidson and Marlboro and the Marlboro Man Mickey Rourke plays a person named Harley Davidson so do they fight uh but you know

I couldn't be bothered Davidson and the Marlboro Man not Harley Davidson and the marlboro man not harley davidson versus the marlboro man so what do you think that's true they're buddies it's not like ford versus ferrari those guys don't fight either i mean no it's sort of like butch and sundance you know but they're these characters that have weird names i love that they plan to jump mickey rourke though they're really excited he's gonna be there and we're gonna beat him up think about like your rookers you can't tell if he's been beaten oh boy oh brother and uh take that and uh yeah so then homer also gets the the directions to where they are from a gas station guy who at first i thought was donnie but it's not donnie but he sees all kinds of stuff but he is voiced by carl weeder got the uh the guy who will do like one voice uh an episode during the scully seasons i think just to shake things up so it's not dan

hanker or harry let harry know he could be replaced you're right it's a warrant they just struck and uh i got a big raise for their voice acting so maybe that weeder got was like their safety there yeah then after homer gets that information cuts back to march teaching them stuff i do love that she teaches them about uh killing pencils breaking them and uh and then they've been fully defanged right when homer arrives talk to him use your words homer homer stop it We've given up our violent ways. We just want to live peacefully with your wife. No, my wife is not a doobie to be passed around.

I took a sacred vow on my wedding day to Bogart her forever. Oh, homie. There's only one reasonable way to settle this. You and me in the circle of death. I just swept the circle of death. Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight. And then a crazy ass fight begins. Yeah, after the... Is how uh wild hogs ends too

you know i think they they trick the other biker gang i think it's something to do with that so uh yes uh tim allen uses his wits yet again would there have been a third uh ogs movie if robin williams had survived oh millie man yeah we were robbed of it oh wild hogs old dogs and like what else could we do like my old hogs wooden clogs feral hogs i i had heard the yeah feral hogs now the perfect time but uh but i had heard that the failure of old dogs ended a wild hogs too from happening and that movie is insane right i mean truly crazy yeah it's poor bernie mack it's his last role too yeah you're bringing me down that series is steeped in tragedy they didn't even know it god yeah man it was uh i i forget that that came out

like that was after his passing right or he's there's that movie soul men 2 that came out right around with him and uh samuel jackson i just know he's a man that has like a puppet suit that robin williams has to wear yeah yeah what a ridiculous sorry no one watched old dogs i think a lot of us watch it ironically and uh yeah homer defends his wife's honor akin to a spliff that he will not share pretty much yeah and this starts the uh just truly insane motorcycle sword fight uh which had to be impossible to visually plan out i have to kudos to the animation team for taking this crazy idea that was written and like translating into a visual medium because again a motorcycle is a complicated thing to draw but

drawing two characters swinging them around and clashing them and then marge throwing homer another motorcycle yeah it's so it's such a swartz weldery uh thing it's happening all over this episode imposing it in the style of an errol flynn robin hood uh thing too like going up a staircase yeah uh it's it's homer is very gallant in this episode he really yeah well that's also hearing marge be like oh homie like that's that's some classic marge ism there too uh yeah no neil affleck the director of this said when he saw the script he could not believe it like it it boggled his mind how they could even do it but then he says credit to supervising director of this of

these seasons jim reardon he did the thumbnails of the whole fight on his own like he was the original architect of it and figured out how it could work maybe that's why the rest of the hell satan's weren't around because they're like we're either doing this motorcycle sword fight or we're drawing four other characters each with their own distinct vehicles yeah it's it's a it's a technical triumph going from you know doing all of the 50s stuff the dance sequence to this it's it's wild that this was just a regular episode of the simpsons and it wasn't something that was a big deal like you only move twice or or a season premiere or a treehouse or something yeah these kind of action set pieces more often it's just kept you get one in an episode and so it's just in one act but there's kind of one all three there's if you think of the dance sequence

then the hell satan's breaking into the house and then this sword fight scene, like it's a giant action sequence every act of the episode. The animators really brought it this week, which is very impressive because, again, you know, TV deadlines for animation and budget as the budget is shrinking on them by season 11. Pulling this off is very impressive. And we also find out that homer's wallet he got from subscribing to newsweek you get free wallets i know you get like football phones but that's sports illustrated yeah newsweek had to offer something paltry like that though the idea that homer would subscribe to newsweek that was very funny yeah it seems like it's all tote bags now but there were more there were more products that you could get i don't remember specifically

wallets but but yeah, sports illustrated had the football phone and, uh, there would be like hats and things. Yeah. Like I really want to have, this is vanity fair, I guess.

I don't know why you would, but there are people out there who are on the fence about subscribing to a magazine unless they get a free hat. Uh, you know, an NPR tote bag lets you really like brag. That's, uh,

in, in some circles. Oh, wow. Look how generous this person is. Well, generous to a point because they have to have some sort of material incentive in order to be generous. And that's a thing. Charity without advertising it is useless. That's what I say.

No. I feel that in my bones, guys. Every time I donate to a good cause these days, I got to screenshot it and I got to tweet about it and I got to let everybody know I'm a good person. You know, I convinced myself to do those a couple times at least to make it clear, like, hey, do what I do and give them money.

But it is self-aggrandizing as well. Like, yeah. I take a picture of myself in a mask everywhere. Yeah, you're following the rules, Bob. On the commentary, too, they even admit that Marge throwing the bike was like, that's a bridge too far. It's already ridiculous, this thing,

but Marge throwing a bike like a story up to Homer. Well, I mean, it's clear that the weight of it is gone no there's no weight to it i don't mind marge throwing it that's sexist guys you're right it's already been established he's been working out it's it's been established these bikes weigh i don't know eight pounds each that's true at this point if if that i mean I felt like they were being thrown around more like fencing swords, little light fencing swords. And when Homer finally beats Meathook, I also, it's another great shot of how he's begging off Homer.

I'm using wrestling terminology here. He's begging off Homer, putting his hands up like, okay, okay. He's kind of spotlit by the bike lights too it's a really really well composed shot and uh and homer wins and it's uh it's a happy ending and also though i think homer thinks he's getting invited to that san perdue orgy not just that marge gets to yeah i think he's gonna tag along if uh marge would have said yes uh but yes we get a happy ending as hom Homer and Marge ride off into the sunset. I don't blame you for wanting her back so bad.

A woman like that only comes along every couple of miles. Hey, can we at least keep her till the orgy in San Bernardino? What do you say, honey? No. No dice. Goodbye, everybody. Bye, Mrs. Simpson. Bye, Mrs. Simpson. Goodbye, everybody. Bye, Mr. Simpson. Bye, Mr. Simpson.

Goodbye, Marge. Bye-bye, Mrs. S. We'll stop at the nearest town and mail our resumes. Resumes? It still sounds weird to me. Why are we stopping here? Taking care of some unfinished business. Hi! Ah!

Go, go, go! I just like that little blues riff. Yeah, it's nice. And then we get an RBQ covering the Simpsons theme. They're all wearing these weird pajamas, I believe. And filmed in live action. Mike Scully, that's the first time there were live action credits ever, according to him. And apparently he was filming or he was producing a documentary

about the band for A&E. I can't find that credit in his IMDb, so maybe it was never finished or something. Maybe it didn't air then, yeah. Yeah, but that's when he got the footage. I see. I appreciate the callback at the end. I just don't know if it's as much of a payoff as they thought.

For a last joke of the episode, yeah. It's not like he was denied beer or they wouldn't serve him. It'd be funnier if he was knocked out again yeah yeah let's punch this up uh but i did like seeing marge like pop a wheelie like she's she's a better bike rider than homer is which i i like that but yeah the also homer like cowardly running away to steal beer like that was his plan that's kind of funny but yeah there there could have been a funnier joke there i i also uh though we get to hear winkler call marge mrs s which oh yeah reference there yep uh and just hearing winkler go like resumes it still

sounds weird to me like uh that's how that's how weird it can uh i there's some words i've been corrected on that i'm still like it just doesn't sound right but all right he's a yale graduate henry winkler i just found out really man more of these yale we we just did a whole yale podcast before this but uh man these yale guys they've infiltrated everywhere and this is a the simpsons is a harvard show what are they having this yale yeah yeah i got really offended by that how dare you sir uh but uh yeah this this was such a funny crazy episode there's there's maybe a couple jokes in here that like skeezed me out a little bit but uh it's it's fun just the classic swartzwalder ridiculousness even yeah even in a season 11 episode that they can still pull that off is uh is pretty impressive yeah I will always give a pass to shows like the

Simpsons for things that to my modern eye would seem offensive or strange because it was a different time you know I'm not gonna fault anybody for putting in a joke about Rod and Todd staring at Lisa while she gets naked. Even though it's weird, when I saw it the first time in 1999, when I was 15, I laughed. So I don't know. It's just I'm a different person. The world is different. I still love this episode. I forgot which one this was, and then as it's going on,

it's unspooling, I'm like, oh, yeah, this episode was one of my favorite episodes to the point where when i would make mix cds for people i would throw on clips from this episode wrinkled around my little mixes of songs and stuff that i stole from napster i miss i miss putting in fun clips in a mix cd you know that's uh though i when i did that with a christmas cd for somebody like of just a bunch of holiday songs and i put in like a pat noswalt bit that's like a minute long in there my friend complained just like i just had to skip that every time i just wanted to hear the song it's quality comedy yeah this oh you didn't want to hear the the black

angus pat noswalt oh i guess you're not a fan of being entertained. That's a deep cut. As for me, I thought I didn't like this one, but then I watched it. I was like, oh, this is hilarious. Maybe at the time I was just like, oh, it's just a bunch of crazy nonsense, but that's why I like it. And frankly, there are only so many Schwarzwalder scripts left at this point, so we have to treasure every one. That's true. He would leave in like 2003.

I mean, even at this point, he's to treasure every one it's true he would leave in like 2003 uh say i mean even at this point he's just a freelance guy he hasn't been in the he's credited as a consultant not even a producer on these seasons but yeah pretty soon he'll be heading off to his own sunset of writing uh his his novels his many comedy novels but oh yeah speaking of running off in the sunset on the commentary they even copped to like oh yeah wait simpsons movie ends with marge and homer riding off on a motorcycle too yeah i forgot about that yeah oh but uh dave thank you so much for coming on this was great man yeah first time guest at uh yeah we have so much in common we gotta have you back absolutely it was a thrill to get to re-watch this episode and to sort of remember why I love The Simpsons in the first place, because we take it for granted, guys.

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