Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - The Bart Wants What It Wants With Will Sloan

Episode Date: August 31, 2022

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What up? It's Henry Yelding. Oh wow, and who do we have on the line? Hey, dialing in from the Canadian Olympic basketball team. Yep, it's just that easy. It's Will Sloan. Hi. And this week's episode is The Bart Wants What It Wants. No! once wow this episode originally aired on february 17th 2002 and as always henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history oh my god oh boy bobby family guy's then final episode airs on the fox network britney spears's crossroads debuts in theaters and the simpsons cause a stir in toronto with this very episode that's right uh

family guy yes canceled in its third season they wouldn't air one episode because of its content adults would air it later and it would come uh crawling back in uh spring of 05 to really dominate for a few years yes yeah it was uh the final episode that aired was the viewer mail episode which was their attempt at a treehouse of horror where basically with the conceit that viewer mails came in to request an episode type it'd be like okay then here's a little rascal style thing and two other ones that escape me but uh yeah it's funny that a family guy if in season three feels like mr plow compared to a new family guy yes or the family guys had like 400 episodes now at this

point too yeah it was uh when you wish upon a wine steam that was the one that did not air on Fox, would air on Adults Women. Yeah, just in the three years in between, it got so many views on Adults Women, sold so many DVDs that Family Guy would come back triumphantly and still be on Fox to this day with seemingly no sign of stopping. And yes, the Britney Spears Crossroads film and the album as well, the home of the hit Not a Girl, Not Yet a Woman. Right, right. And her father played by Ottawa's own Dan Aykroyd.

All right. Now a beloved resident of Kingston, Ontario, I understand. I understand he is regularly sighted in Kingston. And I'll just leave it at that. I consider these like, there were these Chantus vanity projects right around 9-11. We had Glitter and Crossroads.

It was a one-two punch, and they were both big failures. I think people have nostalgia for Crossroads, though. More nostalgia for Crossroads, yeah. I think it's got good-ish actors in it. It's got Zoe Saldana. She's good in it. Crossroads kind of flew under the radar compared to glitter i think crossroads was just it was not it was not the

comparable disaster i think it was just greeted as kind of like the 2002 equivalent of an elvis movie you know yeah i mean glitter got all of the headlines like oh the worst movie ever and crossroads just wasn't good enough to be get treated negatively i guess but yeah and the uh and yes uh the major uh thing the simpsons doesn't always make the headlines but it did this week with this very episode at least north of the border in uh in canada to where me and bob live uh which is a perfect segue into why we have on our guest this week that's right joining us once again is will sloan of the michael and us podcast welcome back to where me and Bob live, which is a perfect segue into why we have on our guest this week. That's right. Joining us once again is Will Sloan of the Michael and Us podcast. Welcome back to the show, Will. Happy to be here. And yes, I can confirm because I lived through this. I was

in the seventh grade at the time. And I can confirm that for a week, maybe a week and a half before this episode, there was a relentless drumbeat of publicity for it in the Canadian media. I don't have the evidence in front of me, but you're just gonna have to trust me that the Canadian TV guide had a picture of the Simpsons in Mountie regalia on the front cover, you know, an official image with the Matt Groening signature in the bottom right corner and everything. It was on the news. Just just a lot of just a lot of like oh the simpsons are coming to canada hype so a lot of us a lot of us school kids were up there on sunday night really excited and then

just spending the first 18 minutes of the episode like you know when are they going to get to the fireworks factory and then it came and you could just feel across the country this like deflating of a balloon in that last act of the episode. And I just remember the massive disappointment on the schoolyard the next day. You were there when John Frank and Don Payne robbed your country blind. This, The Simpsons coming to Canada, and then the next year, Conan O'Brien coming to Canada to do a week of shows were two seismic cultural events and in the history of Toronto media well yeah well uh you you and uh Luke Savage who we just had on the uh Judge Judy episode of of our podcast you guys do such great work on Michael and us and uh it's it's how uh especially for me and Bob, we learn a lot about Canadian content and politics very,

very helpfully. Well, can I just say that watching this episode now for the first time in 20 years, my God, watching it now, one of the things I found enjoyable about it was just seeing the way that Americans perceive Canada. It's pretty superficial obviously there's a i mean i won't spoil every gag because there aren't that many of them but when they go to the dodgers of foreign wars memorial it's just funny to look at that and be like oh yeah you know we had our own history that we think of around that time you know we were thinking of i don't know the uh the flq crisis in quebec we were thinking about the debates over whether Canada should have a flag. We were you know, we talk about the quiet revolution. We talk about Trudeau mania. But then to to people in the United States, it's like, oh, yeah, Canada was that country that people who didn't want to go to Vietnam War went to. and that was that was basically what it was for like 30 years and i guess they kind of have their own space needle i don't know it's all the knee-jerk uh toronto by the way uh my wife a canadian told me the dead giveaway that

you're a foreigner is if you say toronto uh the correct way to say it if you're canadian is toronto yeah they kind of muffle that t into a d they make a big deal about that in the movie argo and ever since seeing it i've actually been very self-conscious anytime i've said the word toronto i i avoid it as much as i can because i'm very concerned about becoming a canadian stereotype but but anyway your wife is right that's correct i feel like if i say toronto in canada it'll be like an invasion of the body snatchers thing everyone was point and open their mouths and scream in the middle of the streets uh yeah i uh will you've uh lived in toronto you messed it up toronto there you go toronto right you you've lived there what your whole life or pretty much except for some college

yeah pretty much except for you know one or two years here and there um yeah pretty much well you mentioned first off you mentioned dan akroyd and seeing him around town i haven't bought his crystal skull vodka he almost got me with that pride vodka he tweeted out because i mean it was like it's a rainbow of vodka inside a crystal skull like how much more magical can you get than that you know there's that great youtube video where it's like dan akroyd doing a crystal skull vodka commercial i think if you search dan akroyd crystal skull vodka you'll you'll see that there's a video where the first 10 minutes is him just talking about conspiracy theories talking about the moon landing and stuff like that and then then he seamlessly goes right into

a pitch for Crystal Skull Vodka and about how the particular properties in the vodka are accessing certain crystals that access certain things that are going to make you feel really good. But anyway, I will say, you watch that commercial and it looks like the ramblings of a crazy man, but you got to hand it to him. I mean him i mean that crystal skull vodka really and truly is everywhere in canada you cannot avoid it he was a pioneer i mean now it's like yeah uh like a snore george clooney's making his own stuff the rocks making his own stuff i want these like overweight weirdos these these character actors making their own booze yeah these these giants not these cut hunks yeah Yeah, yeah. I mean, let me tell you, Dan Aykroyd, you know, came from SNL. He knows a thing or two about substance abuse.

So I trust him. I trust him with liquor. Absolutely. And yeah, you know, the background I saw in this, though, I could not... I have to say I'm mad at the Toronto Star. They do not archive their stuff online very usefully because the wiki page for this lists like multiple toronto star articles like dumping on uh this episode and in in reaction to it but then i can't actually find it online it's like you know the week after

this aired toronto star published a thing like oh the simpsons miss again or whatever you should have checked the microfiche but you know on the commentary al jean seems to be a little defensive of like he didn't want this advertised super heavily in canada they it was not it didn't sound like internally for the producers this was pitched as the simpsons go to canada episode i get the feeling that fox pr i think so got a sense of like hey we could advertise this one really heavily in Canada. And so apparently they had pitched to the city of Tirana. It's Tirani. Tirani.

But they pitched that February 17, 2002 could officially be Simpsons Day. But the local government turned it down because it was, you know, advertising a giant business. So they said no to it. And they already had Flaming Moe's Day. I'm more sympathetic to Algie now hearing that and having watched the episode again, because it definitely does look like something that was just a throwaway joke idea. I will just say that for all of us on the schoolyard we thought it was going to be basically the sequel to that simpsons go to new york episode we thought it was going to be full-on dense with toronto stuff we all felt a little bit had yeah i mentioned it earlier but

the writers of this episode uh john frank and don payne don payne has since passed away but they uh they hinted on the commentary that they were both given like a very nice trip to canada for this episode they felt like they were really ripping them off because uh let's say right now there are four minutes of toronto content and maybe 90 seconds actually take place within recognizable landmarks of that city the rest is in a movie studio that does not exist paramount yeah it definitely does not look like the work of people who have walked on the streets of Toronto. And yeah, I would have thought it at least be more, the way it was pitched in the ads I remember seeing too

was like, you know, I thought it'd be like the Australia episode where they spend like two freaking acts in Australia. Yeah. So many jokes about it, but. Well, the Vancouver episode is just as disappointing as this one, although they do spend more time in Vancouver. Is that the one where they pissed off people from Newfoundland as well?

I think so. It's all about curling, though. They said every person from Newfoundland is Ralph-like. I think so. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah. But, well, I mean, it's true that they said that. Yeah, it is true they said that.

Yeah, you're not agreeing with the statement, but it sounds like they found their two Canadian writers on the show at the time and sent them up there, too, to be like, no, see, we're Canadian. They weren't given the episode. They're both from Alberta or something? So Tim Long was born in Exeter, Ontario, and Joel Cohen from Calgary, Alberta. Okay. So, yeah, I've learned a lot about provinces lately though i i should also say my main knowledge of canada is through pro wrestling and canadian pro wrestlers i enjoy

bret hart's bret hart from he's from calgary yeah and you know edmonton is the home of uh the guy used to be my favorite up until june 2007 uh i think wrestling fans know who i'm talking about oh and of course from winnipeg uh katie omega another of my favorites now there's not yet a favorite of mine from vancouver oh and of course in toronto you got edge adam copeland and as well as christian from uh those are the top dudes from toronto i really only know uh comedians who are from canada which is most of them uh yes basically everybody from saturday night live or like any 80s movie star feel like comedic movie star was from canada which is most of them uh yes basically everybody from saturday night live or like any 80s movie star feel like comedic movie star was from canada uh every canadian knows every canadian

celebrity we take that very seriously uh you know howie mandel rick moranis uh dan akroyd jim carrey the whole gang you know we know we know everyone here you guys on on michael and us you also do a lot of good talk about you know maple washing and how especially in 2002 they kind of just missed the jokes about how canada is just better than america or how you're ashamed to be in a man like this is like oh we call it america junior even though the iraq war is about to start and yeah you know we'd be looking at canada a differently, or at least Hollywood liberals would be. This was a pre 9-11 written episode, which is why they changed one line in the final

cut. Very cowardly. Yes. Change of a line, I'd say. Yeah. It also just feels to me like an episode that comes from a very distinct time in Canadian culture. I don't know if I can particularly articulate this. I don't even

know if I'm being particularly accurate. But Toronto has grown a lot in the 20 years since then. There's been an enormous amount of development. I think a lot more people live in the downtown now. This came from a particular period when it was a couple years after the city of Toronto amalgamated. So the downtown Toronto amalgamated with all of its suburbs, which were originally distinct municipalities. This happened in the late 1990s. And basically, what that meant was city council became huge. The city officially became much bigger. Many areas of the city that used to have their own mayor basically now just had their own city council. And as a result, this was done by the provincial conservative government as a way to essentially get a handful more seats for themselves

in provincial legislation. And I can't right now explain exactly how the math of that worked, but that was the reason for it. And the result has been that you've got this very awkward, massive city now that has, much like the United States, there's kind of like red state and blue state parts of the city. There's huge cultural divides, people in the outer stretches of the city who don't feel represented by the downtown. And all of those tensions really culminated with the election of Rob Ford as mayor in 2010, who was kind of like our Donald Trump, basically before Donald Trump. But this comes from a time when the megacity, as it was called, was very new. And our mayor at that time, well, was also a kind of Trumpian figure by the name of Mel Lastman, who used to run like a furniture warehouse store. It was a store called Bad Boy. And he was often on commercials dressed in like a striped convict uniform going, Nope, who beats bad boy? Nobody. Anyway, he became the mayor. And he became this like real hype man for the city of Toronto. He was like, he was going to really build up the city of Toronto's reputation. This was at a time when

new tax incentives were introduced in Toronto to bring a lot of film production, you know, great films like the tuxedo and Exit Wounds and Freddy vs. Jason were all shot in Toronto during this time. And we were really thought of as like Hollywood North. Mel Lastman was also the person who almost single handedly squashed our Olympic bid around this time because he went on a trip to Africa. And he said, he said in the media words to the effect of, huh, I was worried I was going to find myself in a pot surrounded by crazy natives. And the Olympics instead went to Beijing. So that speaks to how bad those comments were received at the time. the memories of that. I get the memories of Toronto as this very striving, wannabe, world-class city. I think of the spirit in the air when the Simpsons were coming, and then the next year when Conan O'Brien came, there was this spirit of like, oh my god, we're a real city. Americans are noticing us.

And that spirit continued to grow and evolve throughout the rest of the decade in the city until you know rob ford inaugurated a new era of uh toronto's self-image well you know this uh this episode idea came up apparently it started with matt selman uh who didn't write the episode he came up with the idea that bart would want to hang around a girl because she's rich but not respond to her uh interest in him you know and that's it grew from there i mean your opening clip henry of the man screaming uh the man homer screaming and then saying i'm bored uh that's how i feel about this episode uh because like uh they have a problem uh especially in this era of writing female characters especially when they want to flatter

a an attractive guest star so like every time there's like a romantic interest on the show in this era they're just very they're like a dead eyed nobody they have no personality outside of i like the character that's already on the show like i can think of renee from the mo episode dumbbell indemnity this reese witherspoon character greta she had there's nothing going on There's absolutely nothing going on besides I like Bart. And because of that, it's very boring. If you look at Bart's past interests, there's like from New Kid on the Block.

What's her name again? Oh, yeah. No, I mean, Sarah Gilbert playing her. It's Sarah Gilbert. I apologize. Oh my God, I'm a failure. And also Jessica Lovejoy. Like they have things going on.

They are defined personalities before they meet Bart. But all this character is, is like, I like Bart. And I'm sad when Bart doesn't like me. And there's nothing else going on there, which is why it's very, very dull. But also this is the first real episode where Rainier Wolfcastle is a character who has a real plot in this episode. And it's funny because, you know this is written in uh summer of 2000 it's right before 9-11 but it's also on the brink of him entering politics for real becoming the governor of our state of california so yeah uh like 18 months after this airs he all the jokes

about him will change to the point where he is basically a character in the simpsons movie playing off of his role as governor of our state yeah when mcbain just became arnold schwarzenegger the man himself in the simpsons movie in 2007 which we did a whole michael and us podcast right with you guys but that it felt kind of dated in o2 because it's like it's about how schwarzenegger it's it's it's jokes about his mid-90s like jingle all the way or the one where he gets pregnant uh which junior yeah thank you yeah in in it's a parody of those kind of movies when they talk about like the incredible shrinking mcbain but he wasn't making those until like he was making movies people didn't watch like

end of days like that just people didn't care about one way or the other the niche of action movies had moved on which makes some of the jokes in this that are about like 1986 films or or you know like commando uh kind of just fall like duds to me i think i also think that in terms of the film world satire of this episode in retrospect this episode comes in a transition period the first sam raimi spider-man movie opened a couple of months after this which inaugurated not just uh a new the new dominance of the superhero genre but also signaled a new kind of action hero you know somebody who could just be a normal actor who is heavily assisted by cgi and that sort of thing i feel like in terms of coming up with a movie star archetype and these these peripheral simpsons characters like rainier wolf castle are nothing

if not archetypes the new archetype was not yet perceivable i think i i will just say though that the simpsons in the 20 years since has also failed at coming up with new archetypes to accommodate you know the many many ways the world has changed since then yeah i'm looking at his uh his filmography and yeah 2002 is collateral damage 2003 is terminator 3 and then nothing until the expendables see that was his last grasp he's like all right look you want another terminator i'll do that like you don't want that either fine politics for me then I'll just be the governor. I'll also say that this episode, I agree with you, it's not very good. And the

Rainier Wolf Castle subplot of it, I think signals sort of why I mean, it's an episode that feels like it's cobbled together out of ideas from earlier episodes. And the idea of the Simpsons coming into proximity with a really super famous person reminds me of the episode A Fish Called Selma, where Selma gets with Troy McClure. But there felt in that episode, a lot of weight to the idea of Troy McClure entering the Simpsons orbit. It felt consequential, felt like it meant something. Whereas in this episode, I don't know, it's just like Rainier Wolf Castle is just kind of around town. It doesn't mean anything when Rainier Wolf Castle is having dinner at the Simpsons dinner table. Yeah, or even the Mel Gibson episode, I think, handles it even slightly better. It's not that that's a great episode, but it at least because it is an actual movie

star, Homer hanging out with him has at least a little more gravitas to it. And it's more plausible that Troy McClure lives in Springfield because he's washed up. Yeah, yeah. Seemingly, Rainier Rolf Castle is still making hit movies, or he was a much bigger star than Troy McClure, at least. But this also just feels like, I'll say this about 8 million Al Jean episodes, but it also feels like a lost critic episode and i think it would it would make more sense in the critic for jay sherman's son marty who is written as like 13 ish or 14 like he'd be the kind of kid to have like puppy love with a girl who turns out to be arnold schwarzenegger's daughter bart's 10 and gretta's 10 it just doesn't some of the relationship stuff they do later in it

i'm just like well now this is these are 10 year olds this is a little too a little too much for me yeah also i think on the point of how meaningless it is that the simpsons have entered a movie star's orbit the fact that the second half of the episode is devoted to bart being jealous that gretta is now hanging out with millhouse i mean it's a huge thing for bart to be hanging out with rainier wolf castle's daughter and it would be an even huger thing for then millhouse to start hanging out with rainier wolf castle's daughter and sometimes the episode loses sight of that in this love triangle plot like it could just it could be just any neighborhood girl anyway i guess it wouldn't give an

excuse to go to a movie uh set yeah something i just remember now and i can't believe i wasn't thinking of it millhouse was in a movie with rainier wolf castle oh my god you're right so it was never released yeah yeah yeah well it should be like well yeah i met greta before we were on set together yeah like how did i like how did i not think of this until now how does this not come up in the show like oh like yeah we i know milhouse rebecca the day and maybe rainier and he could like reflect upon their their time on that bomb or whatever wow yeah yeah and it seems it seems like a minor thing it's like we all know that the simpsons are chronology of the show is basically going to reset back to one at the start

of every episode. But in the past, the basic, the sort of tiny respect that it used to pay for canon, the idea that after the B sharps were introduced, Homer was always in the B sharps, or after Homer went to space, there might occasionally be fleeting references to the fact that he went to space but i don't know in in the aljean era you see this sort of lack of interest or this disrespect to the the basic sort of rules of the history of the simpsons that had been established and it doesn't seem like a big deal in a one one by one case but it is a big deal because it just ultimately gives the sense that they don't care and and, and why should we care?

Uh, well, the, the episode begins first with a, with a speaking of Al Jean staples, uh, it's the circus couch gag, which in classic Simpsons would be used,

uh, several times because, uh, usually Al Jean and Mike Reese, their episodes in American did it once as well. If an episode runs long or run short, as in, you don't have enough time to fill the allotted time uh for all the ads and stuff you then play the circus couch gag

because that lasts like 20 extra seconds so it buys you some more time not counting a time it appears in a clip package this is the last time they use the circus couch gag on the show yes yeah first used in lisa's first word season four and this was an anomaly but in post like 2010 i think they start doing much longer couch gags to do like viral content so yes like you know the the wretched john chris feluci ones the banksy ones they start getting longer to be things that are shared on the internet so but this was an anomaly one that's's just a little bit longer than normal. The Simpsons will be right back.

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seinfeld is preempted but you can always find your shows favorite shows next month when the olympics are over or whatever well just for a canadian perspective here i can tell you that our hockey team won gold at that olympics so that was a huge deal in canada and i think we were all kind of still high from that when this episode aired see this is this is cutting to the end of the episode but this is why we make fun of the basketball because we're jealous americans are jealous that we don't meddle in ice hockey so we're just like yeah well canada hasn't even made it into the quarter finals of the basketball forever they can't beat the nba team that's basically that

we have playing but yes homer very insanely is being chased by a helicopter that it's then tossed back into the helicopter the two pilots are so distracted by the beauty of the flame that they crash don't die yeah that surprised me but it's just so they can go like oh no and they know and homer just says he's bored like that is such an insane and they're done yep they're done with this little bit i think they're acknowledging like um there are no more jokes yep yeah we we did them all let's move on to the next set piece which is a fair which not to be too cranky but how many times have they started with a fair yeah this feels like the fifth time like we've seen like two three book fairs at this point i mean even back in season four that was an idea for a set piece like let's start lisa the beauty queen let's start at the the springfield elementary

fair like it's a way to tell a bunch of jokes about like what's going on in this booth what's this game like what are they selling but they've done it a lot in the last like three or four years it feels like yeah remember the uh the one where marge wants to go to the apron convention and then we don't even get to see it and on their way back from the apron convention that's when they go to the prison rodeo like so it was like a double the car drives up to a thing and they look at it but i mean also that homer instantly takes like the car off the road like that that is like uh you know an exit ramp is the term they use in in the writer's room for like and now let's take have a crazy tangent here that

homer literally drives off of the road to get to the next thing but in this case it is a school fair for a fancy preparatory school and uh lisa i guess this also is very of the time in that well-meaning liberals who write shows like the Simpsons see prep schools as great and that they need to you need to go to them. And kids like Lisa would be so much better off at them than going to a real school. I could definitely see the current day Simpsons doing an episode about how charter schools are great. You know, it's just just completely oblivious. You know, they finally hired some writers under 35. So I think they might not,

they may less likely do it now. They, Will, I don't know if you saw, they did, they actually did a response episode to there was a piece in the Atlantic about how Bart could never have Homer's job now and that the middle-class life the simpsons had in 1990 is impossible to reach now so they did an episode that was in response to that and i i showed bob it to the uh they it's a long musical sung by uh hugh jackman yeah but the it starts off listing

like all of these real facts about like yeah you're only going to make less money you won't have a union job like that all this but then when it come and i was like okay wow simpson's kind of right about this but then when it came time to diagnose how to fix it they're like well old people listen to tucker carlson too much and that's why you can't fix it i was like wait whoa hey wait a minute what was that thing they were doing about firefighters what was that little thing that bart could the bart wanted a secure job and he realized like well i could be a firefighter that's a secure job but yeah as soon, well, I could be a firefighter. That's a secure job. But yeah, as soon as I saw that, I thought like, no, in America, prisoners put out fires for no money. Yeah, for like a nickel an hour.

Yeah, like whenever our state catches on fire, like it just basically state owned slaves go to work. You know, if the Simpsons knew what they were doing right now, they would take that promise. The idea of like doing an episode on what the Simpsons would be like in the current day and then they would just make that the whole show now and keep going but in this case like lisa is just uh depressed that she'll never get to go there i mean i also think whenever i see they have jokes later about getting into a good school i just think about how again like aljean at 16 got into harvard like he's a super genius kid like that that's where it's really coming from and if you live in la especially and you're a parent it's all about like getting your kid into the right school and how hard it is and they've done episodes about

that before on the simpsons and the critic yes yeah they're all they're all focused on that i understand why i like how uh homer responds to lisa with but knowing about it would make you want to go here uh and that's where the one deleted scene on the dvd is uh it's a hidden one but in this one it they had a little extra line here where bart reveals that he also knew there were private schools in springfield and maggie as well and that they were all keeping it a secret from lisa which which hurts her feelings more this then they run into uh the there, Sinjin Van Hoekstraten, which sounds like a, that's an all right smart rich guy name.

When he smacks Homer and says monkey's point, that feels like something a Harvard professor has like yelled at one of their students. That's what it feels like to me. And at the school, we see Brockman and Hibbert with their kids there because they're the only like upper class parents in the whole world of Springfield. A previously unseen Brockman's son.

Oh, right. You'd seen the little girl before with her dolly that made him report about it. And her abalone sandwich. Right. And then there's an all right joke about Marge recognizing that the film Calling All Coeds was filmed there. And that was, is that the fountain where Boozer drank the pee? It's one of the places and and were these bounce houses new at the time i remember bouncing in them when it was age appropriate for me i feel like they existed before that yeah yeah they

definitely did exist i can speak to that as somebody who was uh 13 when this episode came out but uh but let me tell you a guy like homer should not be getting into them that's just my take with his shoes on too no way actually yeah there was a bounce house in the uh the episode where martin had his birthday party oh yeah yeah where uh he gets vomited into by uh by wendell wendell actually vomited uh though yeah that's springfield confidential that's uh you know with the the the bounce houses i only really see them in the news lately when it's uh they get blown away by a strong wind and uh like on the beach like somebody puts a bounce house on a beach it's just blown off by a strong wind you know i've never been in one it's uh they're basically a balloon

they can just fly away but yes now it's time for a joke about comparing schools followed by a rich friend getting a gift basically in the form of a simpsons appearance in this first clip this school has everything i know doesn't it just honk you off their periodic table has 250 elements and our school boards cut us back to 16. All of them lanthanides. You know, we could get equipment like this through a bond issue. Here's your bond issue.

Quick, take these. Principal Skinner, you're just stealing. Welcome to Dick Cheney's America. Mmm, all this food is so frou-frou. Oh, Fabergé egg salad. to Dick Cheney's America. Mmm, all this food is so frou-frou. Oh, ooh, Fabergé egg salad. Look, Brandine, it's Wolfgang Puck.

Mr. Puck, you make the only grub what satisfies my gutworm, I swear. Try my Rice Krispie Squares. They are wasabi infused with the Portobello glaze. And you can buy them at the airport. I make mine with m&ms with m&ms now that's what i call fusion i could sell them on the internet to the buck mobile i'm embarrassed to say i didn't initially realize that was Wolfgang Puck's real voice. I thought it was Hank Azaria or someone doing an impression.

But I should have remembered that from this point forward on The Simpsons, if it is a celebrity, it is them as themselves. Especially if it's a very fawning portrayal of him and just people complimenting him all the time. Saying, wow, you're really great, Wolfgang Puck. We'd eat your food at the airport. I associate him with the airport uh eateries really i don't know anything else about him i'm reminded of uh johnny carson on the crusty gets canceled episode where they they had to make it such a fawning character like he wouldn't do anything that was even mildly like self-deprecating about himself so they had to make it so that he was super strong and everyone wanted to see him and i don't know it feels like at a certain point they were determined to no longer have that trouble with any celebrity ever again

no yeah you don't want to hurt their feelings even a little yeah i uh i looked up wolfgang puck did a 2021 interview with rolling stone you you know, that general like YouTube friendly click baby type thing about like the first time you did whatever this and one of his questions was first time you were on The Simpsons. And he the way he said it happened was he didn't say much, but he did say, you know, I, of course, knew Jim Brooks really well. It's like, well, OK, there you go. Jim Brooks goes to your spago restaurant a lot and probably this got you him a nice uh nice table and he said he loved doing the table read and that the treat for him was that he didn't tell his kids he was going to be on the simpsons but watched the episode

with them and then got to see their excitement so really it's just if you've got kids you want to be on the simpsons just to impress your kids and there's pizza on the puck mobile because his signature meal one of them at spago is salmon uh smoked salmon pizza oh okay see yeah i the airport thing that is obviously i've never been to spago either i the airport thing yes like there's there's the kitchen by wolfgang puck across a lot of American airports as well. I've seen them in the Vegas and Burbank airports. Outside of America, they're like in Hong Kong, Dubai, and Calgary, though not Ontario. It's in Calgary, but not at the Toronto airport, the Wolfgang Puck Kitchen.

And one big change here because the episode written in summer of 2001 airs in February 2002. A little thing called 9-11 happens and suddenly george w bush is a hero approval ratings off the charts so the line uh welcome to dick cheney's america was once welcome to george w bush's america implying that he stole the election right that was a joke but now it doesn't really make sense but i guess it's like well everybody hates dick cheney no matter what yeah they like we can still make fun of dick cheney that's the safe one but they they kind of admit to their cowardice on the commentary they're like oh yeah now everybody loves george bush why i think like 2008 commentary they're like yeah what were we doing not being as

mean to george bush as we could be but it's just sad like they were rightfully mean to clinton and they but they felt they were yeah they it obviously 9-11 scared everybody afterwards i was yeah i i was actually trying to remember in that joke was there some specific scandal that related to dick cheney in relation to either stealing or uh something to do with schools or something but i i couldn't think of one. So yeah, I guess it must have just had to have been a generic sort of Republicans are in power joke. Yeah, I mean, one would expect that you could make the connection that like,

well, when Republicans are in power, schools would get even less funding. So now schools need to steal for it. But I do think too that like Skinner being this uh evil or i mean this is just crazy like they're gonna have a joke later that hinges upon skinner being boring that it feels like they then really shouldn't do a joke about skinner hiding in the bushes to appear and then steal like smash in a window and rob a prep school that feels like too crazy to give the guy to give your boring character skinner and uh and yes you know what uh the the joke is the 250 on the periodic table that is there's only

118 elements on it but the joke is a richer school would have more uh they could afford more periodic elements on it uh and lanthanides are a series of chemical elements comprising of 15 metallic chemical elements with atomic numbers 57 through 71 from lanthanum to lutetium lu no lutetium uh so please or lutetium anyway there's only 15 of them when skinner says they're 16 he's off by one on the lumber number of lanthanides unless that's uh unless they are there's been a change in the elemental some some chemistry major is pulling their car over to the side of the road but and leaving a comment but it's mostly accurate about lanthanides uh and that that that's what's limited on their uh their thing but anyway

i don't know it's again that lisa just crying about how great public prep schools are that feels very bougie to me i have to say bark gets on the bumper cars surrounded by rich kids who are too nice i i wonder too if this is like how the producers of the show feel once they become hollywood millionaires and they're surrounded by like these effete rich kids and i'm like oh man i wish i wish it was around normal kids who wanted to just slam bumper cars into each other i i don't know about you guys when i was a kid bumper cars uh stressed me out i didn't like them i i did not like driving around and i'm getting smashed around and i'm yeah the small number of times i ever drove a bumper car i mean surprise surprise i always found myself in the corner unable to move just being rammed by some other kid so yeah never as exciting as it seemed i didn't like it there were there were too many sparks frankly and also there

was no there was no winner there was no like purpose just like all right uh just drive around for about a minute and then get out uh i guess you know it felt it felt uh different in the pre-video game days i guess it was more more impressive than uh and this also bart says let's ram a lamb these ding dongs which is a reference to the classic song ram a lamb a ding dong from the edsels we talked way more about that on our mark hamill muppets episode of what a cartoon so check that one out if you want to hear more info on that song there's an okay gag about a silent auction that homer bids 50 on behalf of ned which is for a hundred dollar bill and then they hand ned a 50 bill as his as his winning i uh i at least laughed when it was

a 50 bill and a less funny gag about a ring toss but at least when lenny harl win their microscopes they they play sword fight with them and it makes the sound of swords that's my favorite joke that the microscopes somehow sound like swords when they clank it's just good to see them get along those guys are hanging out more and more every episode uh but yes this is when bart saves a girl from some bullies a bunch of mean uh mean rich boys and uh gretta is played by reese witherspoon who you know when this episode came, she was on a real high. Legally Blonde would be coming out. You had Election, American Psycho, Pleasantville.

Right. She had also played Jennifer Aniston's sister on Friends as well. I think Legally Blonde was not out when they recorded her. Yeah, yeah. She was on the brink of becoming a huge star. And now she is one of the many people who took Quibi for all they're worth. Yep, yeah. And you she is one of the many people who took Quibi for all their worth. Yep. Yeah.

And you know what? Good for her. I have to correct you. Legally Blonde came out in the year 2001. So it actually was out and she had just blown up. Wow, man. They got her right before that. They recorded with her right before it got huge.

Well, they talk about how they recorded with her when she was like holding her baby like her baby was there with her recording it and that that baby daughter is ava uh who is now 22 and looks a whole lot like her mom uh and has a million followers on instagram but she's not sure if she wants to get into acting just yet yeah but i say let it happen and you know bob me and her me and you could have walked by her and not even know it because she went to berkeley cal uh cal here uh in in our neighborhood for the last four years i think i would have known it because she's three feet tall i just think acting is a very tough discipline to get into you know there's a lot of rejection there are a lot of closed doors and i hope she's able to get a foot in that door somehow good luck to her yeah that she's the daughter of really two movie stars

because her father is ryan felipe she also looks a lot like both of them so she is an attractive person uh yeah it should be illegal we can't we can't be doing this you know but for uh reese witherspoon she's been in an interesting place lately because, yes, like you said, she post-divorced from Ryan Felipe. She married the head of the CAA talent agency in Hollywood, and it has Jim Toth, and they have become big-time executives in Hollywood. Her company, Hello Sunshine, produces a ton of movies and TV shows. Her husband, Jim Toth, was on the executive board at Quibi. Coincidentally, she got a huge deal to be a star of a Quibi show. It's a strange, crazy coincidence that would happen when her husband is one of the chief executives there.

No spoilers. I need to finish Fierce Queens, okay? And also, she is sellingfts hardcore these days and well she's making space for female creatives in the traditionally male dominated nft space and i think that's a beautiful thing it's it's very disruptive in the nft space what she's doing now it's good to her that she's rectifying the historic injustices that have plagued the nft space for these past eight or nine months. But, but yes, let's hear,

let's hear Reese Witherspoon in simpler times here as she plays Greta befriending Bart. You were so brave to take on all those bullies. Those weren't bullies. That's a bully. Hey, Butler, stop butling yourself. Was it I could, sir? Time to go, Greta.

Your mother's custody starts at 1800 hours. Your dad's McBain? I play many characters. McBain, Officer Nick Vengeance, Sergeant Murder, and I was a voice under Frasier. Would you like to come to my house sometime? If it's okay with my dad. Come. We play Uno. I chase you with hoes. No biggie.

Wow, cool. Uh, I guess we're leaving too. No, I belong here. Please. Don't worry, honey. We can't afford this now. But when it's time for college, I promise my darling daughter can go to the finest school there is in South Carolina. Oh, I will not be a Gamecock. You will too.

No. Go, Gamecock. No. Take that, non-Ivy League schools. I know, yeah. In the South. University of South Carolina and you're fighting Gamecocks. How dare you think it's so good?

It's a really cool logo. I looked it up. Yeah, it is cool. I'd rather be, there's another Southern team that like, Okra is there. It's fighting Okra. Boring. But of the list of his things, him saying I was a voice on the Frasier, that was the one that gave me the biggest giggle.

Though Arnold himself never did a voice cameo on Frasier, though many movie stars did. They would call in as his guest, right? Yes. His patience. You know, it's also possible that Greta is based on Katherine Schwarzenegger, the oldest daughter of Arnold Schwarzenegger, who at the time this episode aired was 12. She's 32 now and, yes, married to Chris Pratt. Right.

Right. So that's what the real life greta grew up to do mary mary chris pratt and push him towards towards uh i think being a republican president someday i've said it before i've called it on this thing before i'm pretty sure it's gonna happen or you know what honestly democratic president the democrats will just get inch just a little more right word and then boom chris pratt right there and i can see it i can see it i think there's a good chance chris pratt actually just does have joe biden's politics anyway he could he could run in 2024 and i think it'd be fine yeah i think so he just well he doesn't do enough glad handing though with the uh with the rest of the group there like he he's not invited to the snl parties because he's ever so slightly on the

outside but he's working his way in but i also had thought oh mcbain should remember bart from when homer and mcbain worked out together and homer gained uh like all that muscle mass or pretty recently homer and marge stole his car or no margin lisa stole his car in the uh in trilogy of error yeah so i guess they all have mr burns brain condition where they they have like face Marge and Lisa stole his car in the Trilogy of Error. I guess they all have Mr. Burns' brain condition, where they have face blindness for The Simpsons. You know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, he wouldn't remember. He meets so many people.

Who's he going to remember? The little people? No way. Though in this world, McBain or Rainier Wolfcastle, he's divorced. Of course, Maria Shnold arnold wouldn't divorce until 2011 and uh that was when a fifth uh arnold's son was uh a fifth arnold child was discovered revealed yes yeah he's pretty popular on instagram too really that kid yeah he shows off a lot of he's got the the he's got the closest to his dad's physique of any of his children i'd say

yeah i i like him i'm in favor favor of that Schwarzenegger child. So he has at least one large son, a large adult son. But yes, just him saying like, we play Uno, I chase you with hoes, no biggie. Rainier is a little too friendly. I don't know. But again, I just wish, this is what happens on the show where they want Bart and Lisa to have like dating stories they could write aging children into but the kids are 10 and 8 it just it always anytime they do dating stuff with the kids I'm just like they're really young it's just too feels weird I I don't I don't ever really

like it yeah I I hear what you mean although I I hate to say that age is just a number for Bart but truly it is because like like all of the characters on this show, he's just the archetype of kid. And sometimes he's prepubescent. Sometimes he could be 12 or 13 or 14. He's just like the same way that Rainier Wolfcastle is sort of based on Arnold Schwarzenegger, but is also all movie stars at this time. He's just sort of like all boy children. children yeah there's really no one of dating age they can't make dating stories unless they just kind of age up the children mentally you know and just make it work for them i get it i mean are you saying that disney is grooming people and putting these stories in their content

henry now you say i put it like that bob i think you're right they're normalizing this trash sickos but i i need to at disney on this stuff and say do you approve of this like but but yeah greta is like again a no but like name one thing about her outside of the fact that she likes bart there's nothing well i like her sneakers didn't you think those were cool i like it when simpsons characters are given very ostentatious pieces of clothing they really uh pop and she's just a girl that likes bart otherwise like yeah she's like or is jealous i mean i guess she is defined by being a woman who's jealous later on as all women are and they're mean and vindictive and hurt hurt men for no reason but but yeah so when we come back bart is getting ready for his little play date

he's he's dressed up in his cute little suit. And Homer says, his tips about women are don't give them nicknames like Jumbo or Boxcar. And always get receipts. Makes you look like a business guy. Which I think that receipts one, you know, not bad. It does make you look kind of important. Or makes you look cheap. That's true, yeah.

And then comes another rather dated joke of, did you know Arnold Schwarzenegger drives around in a Hummer, guys? Did you know this? He's driving down the street in it, in this giant, giant car. It's like it was the culture war car of the time for sure. Definitely. Yeah. I did some Arnold Humvee research because, you know, Maria will be in the Humvee and

the boy who knew too much. Then in Last Action Hero, there's a joke about the Humvee and the boy who knew too much then in Last Action Hero there's a joke about the Humvee as well he was associated with the Humvee because he was the first civilian in America to purchase a Humvee and he got the manufacturer to make street legal versions of the Humvee so because of Arnold the Humvee exists in America and so the Hummers that Schwarzenegger bought in 92 are so large each weighs 6,300 pounds and are seven feet wide that they're classified as large trucks. Jesus. So U.S. fuel economy regulations do not apply to them because they're classified as large trucks.

Oh, well, okay. And when he ran for governor during the recall election in 2003, one of his campaign promises was to convert one of his humvees to run on hydrogen and he did oh wow hey at least he fulfilled that okay and you know times change uh things fall out of fashion in may of 2010 humvees stopped being produced but you know the environment is doing great guys things are things are going great so in may of 2020 or just in 2020 rather we now have electric humvees really which wow pollute a lot less than traditional Humvees, but still pollute more than a regular sedan powered by gas. So there you have it. That's great.

So yeah, this is why he's associated with this car. That's so funny, man. Yeah, I mean, it was the car you drove to piss people off with your wastefulness and just show it off, which I guess you can just vote for Donald Trump now. You don't have to drive a Hummer if you want to piss off liberals so it's a that's a cheaper thing to do just buy a maga hat right i think i think humvees were out of the range of even the most uh you know in debt suburbanites they would usually go for the huge suvs oh sure sure though i guess now it's like the boat guys really isn't that the like it's guys in the boats the boaters for trump that's really where the humvee fans went to that's true although you do you do occasionally still see like viral posts of like guys who are

who have hummers who have like exhaust pipes that consciously like give out too much too too many fumes as a way of triggering the libs like oh the coal yeah they're burning coal those burners yeah yeah like the humvee is still used as a culture war symbol although yeah maybe a little less so than it was 30 years ago you know i feel like tesla is the new like asshole car also like or just people show up but it's it's in this weird gray zone it's like the white collar asshole yeah yeah or like i remember me and you went to see dan harman do a podcast live and it was right after he had signed his gigantic hundred episodes of rick and morty deal and a lot of it was just him talking about having just bought a tesla and he's like yeah it's pretty great i just make it drive for

me i just bought it i was like wow i we paid money to hear this guy talk about buying a tesla that's why we went to this thing and we did he did some funny stuff later the more drunk he got uh he was funnier but yeah it was a lot a good 20 minutes was hearing a guy talk about how he bought a tesla but yeah so then bart uh is uh he gets the stern dad talk from uh wolf castle in the car that gets one highway zero city meaning it can't even move in the city that's uh that's the joke but i it's okay he's he's not scary enough though i don't know the when he says like uh rip off your face and use it as a hank your chif it's like it's kind of lame the the zero city uh just means it gets less than a mile per gallon right

in the city it can't move okay yeah and he tells bart laughing time is over uh and then the best hummer joke is that the gate doesn't open to his home he just drives over it impossibly like it's a spider-man car just right climbs over his gate uh and this is when we hear some hilarious jokes about the fancy unattainable for rich people only idea of a dvd these are props from one of my dad's movies the incredible shrinking mcbain wow the q-tip he used to kill ross perot oh everything in your house is so cool what's your house like oh Oh, it's okay. My bed is stuffed with hay. Bar, you're so funny.

Yeah. You haven't seen Itchy and Scratchy till you've seen it on DVD. Itchy and Scratchy time! Oh, my body! Check out the audio commentary. We shot this at four in the morning, and the crew was getting a little cranky. You can never get enough takes for Steven Soderbergh.

Always wants more rehearsals. You know, there weren't a lot of picture-in-picture commentaries. I think Will will appreciate this. There was one for Mallrats, the Mallrats DVD, and it was the only way you could see Ben Affleck do his very insulting Jeremy London acting impression where he bobs his head like a chicken. I mean, i'm sure you

know that i did watch the picture and picture mallrats commentary obviously one of the all-time greats one thing i like about in this scene is that the dvd technology and i guess commentary tracks were still new enough that they had to communicate the idea they were struggling with communicating the idea of what it was so they did the picture and picture thing this is the second time they've done a gag like this isn't it because there was one they did a few seasons earlier uh where they they watched the postman with the commentary and you see kevin costner in the in a square saying i'm sorry i'm just so sorry yes yeah that was also like picture in picture it's kind of slid in that's uh i mean these jokes about dvd commentaries

are also funny because it was recorded they wrote it when they were recording the first set of simpsons dvd commentaries so this is now the simpsons dvds informing how they write jokes in the show uh but having it be for the cartoon in the show as well i mean also too like oh how rich she is she has a dvd player and a widescreen television oh my god like but 20 years ago that was the the sign of richness uh also all of the giant props around his place like i like that there was an uh somehow a mcbain movie where he shrinks like they they went to that crazy in the in the late 90s but also films how how long ago was this ross perot joke written yeah that's true you see guys it's 2002 come on anytime there's a joke like that

that's when i think like this was written for a 96 critic episode that wasn't made uh that you know what that joke about too many takes from steven soderbergh not exactly correct because apparently i irl soderbergh is known for doing very few takes. It's how he produces so many films and sometimes releases like two films in a year because he's very much in a one or two takes kind of guy. I guess they could have made a joke about Kubrick if he was still alive. Yeah, I guess he was dead. Who's the guy who does too many takes now in movies? Probably David Fincher, I think think he's very much associated with that yeah that's uh yeah it sounds good or i guess christopher nolan he probably does a lot of takes too right seems like a very exacting guy i guess steven soderbergh was the hot the hot

new thing in 2001 then yeah because the year before i the year before this episode he had done aaron brockovich and traffic in the same year. And he got two Academy Award nominations for Best Director, and he actually won for Traffic, did not split the vote. So America was very high on Steven Soderbergh at the time. Yeah, we just did an episode that was partially an Aaron Brockovich parody as well. It's kind of like Aaron Brockovich meets The Insider was the parody they did in Sweets and Sour Marge. But so, so okay i've said it before on here but i'll say it again this supports my bart is actually gay theory because greta keeps like getting next to him and letting her know like i am interested in you bart and bart doesn't get he's like why is this

girl sitting next to me why later it's like why is this girl holding my hand i said it before that i in the future bart and ralph are like ex-lovers who just live together in an apartment i in that one future i i prefer the the bart is gay theory of course that may very well be true but it may also be true that bart simply doesn't have a lot of game which uh you know true yeah it's happened to the straight men all over the world of like does this girl why is this girl so weird she wouldn't like me yeah that does happen they host uh wolf castle and his daughter at their house too uh this is when uh well let's just hear the clip of mcbain comes to dinner i hope you enjoy these german sausages i've been grinding all day so i'm not sure what organ meat is in what intestinal casing bratwurst sauerbraten, donderblitzen.

Oh, Mom, isn't there anything vegetarian? Ha, ha, ha, Homer. I see your daughter is one of those whale-kissing, dukakis-hugging moon maidens. Ha, ha. Yeah, when's time she... Oh, she's looking at us. Be cool. Mm-hmm. What are you doing? Oh, I got you

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One, two, three. Hey, that was a fast count. Remember when I said I would eat you last? I lied. Commando, yes. That's such an old reference, man. Yeah, it's the reverence the line sully remember when i promised i to kill you last i would kill you last i lied this character is

john matrix in that which is again an insane name great name for him yeah this is a reference to uh shotzi everybody you eat at shotzi lately well you can't it closed in 2007 oh okay shotzi was a restaurant he opened in 92 schwarzenegger wow i didn't know this it specialized in sausages and unfortunately he handed it over to new management in 98 so from 98 to 2007 ran by other people but because they're la pilled la writers they reference things that are only in la like they reference that uh submarine restaurant dive right seasons ago and things like that so yeah this is a reference to shotzi you like that man yeah this is deep schwarzenegger lore man i didn't know about

shotzi thank you for finding that i i was so distracted just by the joke donder blitzen meaning the marge ground up i would guess elk or deer reindeer yeah this is the first time i suppose he had wolf castle had been on the republican committee group before but this is the first time i suppose he had wolf castle had been on the republican committee group before but this is really the writers recognizing oh yeah arnold schwarzenegger's a republican this is the what the joke is recognizing here you guys are greater experts probably in the later seasons than i to what extent has rainier wolf castle continued in this kind of like post schwarzenegger being very relevant post the new era of the republican party world he definitely runs for mayor late as a joke later uh based on his running for governor they

do a recall election episode yeah yeah yeah it's for quimby yeah yeah it's uh though it's weird he it's it's also like with their mike tyson character drederick tatum that those characters have to age with the real icons but the simpsons don't age so it's like they're drederick tatum that those characters have to age with the real icons but the simpsons don't age so it's like they're drederick tatum they're mike tyson type he's now retired boxer who has uh other businesses but it's like well marge is the same age as when he was uh he was a very dynamic and young fighter and and same for for uh ramir wolf's castle as well yeah that him calling her dukakis hugging that, that's a cute line at least. But, you know, the commando reference to it's that it's the dessert, which you do eat last.

So he's picking up desserts and saying, I'd eat you last because you're dessert. Though, obviously, the body he has, he's not eating a lot of dessert, that Wolf castle, I'd say. Maybe he's playing a fat secret agent again. But what a dated-ass joke, though, man. I just can't get over it. What else can they reference? End of Days? Yeah, yeah.

They can't reference a new movie he's in because no one really cares. They're not iconic. I guess their hands are tied there, right? What about in The Eraser? Your Luggage? I don't remember that at all. He shoots an alligator and says, Your Luggage. there right about in the uh the eraser your luggage i don't remember that at all he shoots he shoots an alligator and says your luggage i mean clearly what they should have done at this

point was create a new movie star character to replace essentially phase out rainier wolf castle and replace him with a new guy that's the benefit of hindsight talking i'm not sure who the new movie star character would have would have can't uh off the top of my head remember kind of what what the archetype would have been in 2002 but that would have been the move i guess a clooney style or brad pitt style guy i guess or well well like well like you said earlier will you know now the thing is you you cast somebody and then make them uh then the disney or warner or whoever hires the personal trainers to transform their bodies into Arnold Schwarzenegger.

You don't start with a bodybuilder and then make them an actor. You start with an actor and then give them steroids and HGH until they look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, slightly slimmed down. You destroy Kumail Nanjiani. Yes. You break him. You give him body dysmorphia. He was a funny standup.

Now he's just a huge man i just don't understand why why they had to do that to him but uh but yes you know speaking of dated jokes this was my favorite joke of the episode and i'm glad they do it twice i think millhouse should definitely be the type of person to in the year 2002 reference a 1999 budweiser commercial i think it's yeah perfect for him it reminds me of what uh chapo trap houses matt chrisman said uh pre-internet uh pre everyone being on the internet the super bowl was where we got all of our memes for the year just like here are all the things you'll say to your friends for the rest of the year and millhouse is still a few years behind

do you remember that was up was a big scene in Scary Movie, the original one? Yes. Right, yeah. Yeah, that's another scene in that movie that, you know, will kind of like how it's hard to read Finnegan's Wake without, you know, reading a comparable volume, saying all the references and explaining everything. Like, they should release Scary Movie with that. If you didn't live it, you can't understand it. We need liner notes.

But yes, this is when Milhouse happily becomes a third wheel hi bart oh you brought someone yeah this is millhouse he's my best friend because well geographical convenience really i'm wearing my bathing suit under my pants um you want to go swimming okay but you have to watch me dive fine do you promise just go he'll sleep tonight they just did that line yeah they're on a real runner of he'll sleep tonight so yeah the half decent proposal it was where arty ziff's character was dancing very hard and They just did that line. Yeah, they're on a real runner of He'll Sleep Tonight. So, yeah, in a half-decent proposal, it was where Artie Ziff's character was dancing very hard and Wiggum looks at him with, like, He'll Sleep Tonight. And also, in the Season 12 episode, Bye Bye Nerdy,

when the bully is beating up everybody, all the nerds at the science symposium, the parents say, She'll Sleep Tonight. Like, I guess this was just a thing going around maybe it said more of the writers were becoming parents at this time but the animation of his heart he was up with his tongue wagging out and that he starts like up and then kind of leans over and like pulls his arms together like i don't know i love how bad it is and how hard millhouse goes on it that's why i tried to go at least close

to as hard as millhouse does on the was up reference at the start of the episode he does it again yes yeah it's it's also it's a fun commentary because they got pamela hayden on there who voices millhouse so she doesn't have a ton of stories to tell but she's uh i i was glad to hear from her and hey we just heard recently from our uh our episode with mitch uh with mike mitchell uh who worked on the show that she is a very nice person who, you know, his father passed away while they were working on the show. While he worked on the show. And he says that every year on that day, Pamela Hayden calls him and checks in on him, which is very nice. So it sounds like she's a real great person.

I do like that Bart just admits, like, yeah, Milhouse is just the nearest friend. Like, that's all he is to me like a geographical convenience that's it we have a bit here that it's all right i mean mcbain goes to moe's like they can't get much out of it it's just what if okay mcbain comes in what are the three jokes that lenny carl and moe say to him like that'll that'll cover 30 seconds or so i i do like Mo's vague threats of violence. Yes, yeah. If I kill you, I become you. I mean, the ab roller thing is okay with that. Lenny's using it backwards, so his back is a perfectly sculpted body.

We do get a very funny, ugly Mo, front-facing Mo. Oh, my God. His Mo scream with his misshapen teeth. That's a shocking scene. Yes, yeah. They recognize the horror front facing mo and i'm for it and uh you know that's tough with the uh his uh authorized look-alike it reminds me of that you know that theory the uh the conspiracy theory about avril lavigne now she looks slightly different now and people are thinking that she got replaced by her look-alike

about 10 years ago so uh it's not because she aged as a human being? It's not that she aged or perhaps got any cosmetic surgery done. No, no. It's that she has been replaced by her lookalike. Look into it, folks. You know, it's a real rabbit hole to go down with Avril Lavigne. And isn't she also Canadian, Will? I look to you as...

Yes, in fact, she is. That was another thing that was a very big deal around the time of this episode, in fact. How can you be named Avril Lavigne and not be Canadian? Homer and Wolfcastle, this is their second time hanging out again. They were gym buddies. Now he's taking them to the bar, but obviously he learns he can't stay there too long. I would say, you know, these days, Moe and Macaulay Culkin looking closer and closer together. He'll never be on our show.'s to be i'm sorry macaulay's been through a lot i don't want to be too mean i think

from what i've seen macaulay culkin looks about as well adjusted as he could possibly be given the horrible life that he's led yeah yeah he just he just had a child with his partner brenda song they're doing well. No, he seems like, yeah, he's surviving as best as possible from what he's been through. Certainly a bit of an eccentric. I mean, his pizza-themed band of a few years ago was a little strange, but I think he's trying. You know, it's too bad in this episode they couldn't go to the Toronto-themed Garfield Pizza restaurant. Toronto's Garfield Pizza Restaurant. Toronto's Garfield Pizza Restaurant. Yeah, I mean, if outside listeners don't know, we did in Toronto for a couple years there in kind of like 2018, 2019, have in the neighborhood of Bloordale an officially licensed Garfield

themed pizza restaurant. It was called Garfield Eats. And their big gimmick was that they served personal pan pizzas in the shape of Garfield's head they had like uh like whatever whatever they used to craft them you know they could shape it like that which i mean intuitively i think the circle has always worked for a pizza but i don't know i never i never actually ate there anyway it was another victim of the pandemic oh it's one of those eateries that's now only in dubai and even then it's sort of like a speakeasy. You have to knock on the right door. I do think it was actually the labor of love of like a local eccentric Toronto businessman, a guy has in his 20s, who was a real striver and was very pretty. There are many interviews with him that you can read. He was very proud to have

been the first person to get jim davis to entrust him with his creation for an officially licensed restaurant so you know you only have to climb everest once that's what i say you know i i bet it was that was like he's the last guy who could get that because davis then sold garfield to nickelodeon and or viacom so since then how he gets viacom unlike you know jim davis if you he's just one man and you could convince him to like hey do this garfield thing you trust me and jim davis can either give his consent or not but viacom there there's no talk you can't talk to a person at viacom to make a deal and that devastated indiana's economy choice it's true i mean jim

davis was always very careful about the ways that he would license the garfield character you know only you know products had to be of only the highest quality uh so then uh we get a quick again very la joke about going to a lakers game courtside seat at the lakers that's what the gag is but you know well i'm just asking you all these toronto questions but what who would be the courtside celebs at a raptors game would it i mean drake i would guess yeah drake without a doubt drake i mean uh when when the raptors were in the uh what would you call them the playoffs uh this this shows how little i know about basketball but a couple of years ago, when the Raptors won the World Series, is that what they call it? Drake was very much front and center.

He was impossible to avoid. And by the way, just foreshadowing ahead to their joke about basketball at the end of this episode, Canada's alleged failure at basketball. I mean, when the Raptors actually won a few years ago, there was this enormous outpouring of just excitement in the city. There were something like over a million people in the streets of downtown Toronto in this just giant impromptu street festival. And what that really is, is deferred Toronto Maple Leafs haven't won the Stanley Cup since 1967 or 68. And I really did feel that day. It was like, like it was that. It was the pent up wanting from that that came out. Well, you know, our team just won and it was nothing to us because they, it's like their fifth in a decade. So it's the Warriors who cares. But the joke that Homer, okay, so Homer is hanging out in the front row and then we have

a very, very lame joke. You know, I'll just play the clip here. These courtside seats are great. Thanks for the hookup, Wolfie. I just want my daughter to be happy. Plus, you eat the pretzels I drop on the floor. That I do, sir. Bart, my school's having a dance.

It's pretty lame, but maybe you could make it fun. If we went together. Yeah, I guess. Defense! Defense! Defense! Yay! Ouch! I said I had something sharp. Oh, that's just Lara Flynn Boyle. I have a Boyle on my ass.

There you go. I mean, you were complaining that all the Arnold Schwarzenegger jokes were dated, but a Lara Flynn Boyle satire was quite up to the moment at the time. I mean, if you if you ever picked up an issue of Entertainment Weekly at the time and were reading like that, that column of like the hit list, there was like 20 jokes about things that were in the media uh lara flynn boyle was always on there and it was an always a kind of like get a load of this anorexic bitch type joke about her you know i bet it was a choice between that and calista flockhart like lara calista lara calista uh let's go with her you know well she's less powerful and not on the same network as them you know calista was but wait yeah all of these body mocking jokes. Though also the extra level to it is that Jack Nicholson,

actually by the time this aired, they were broken up, but he was dating Lara Flynn Boyle. So she was often seen courtside at Lakers games. So that's why you, Homer, actually would have access to sit on her and cut himself. Just for the joke. What a power couple. Yes. Yeah.

She had to. I don't know if Jack still goes to as many Lakers games up front as he used to. Well, very telling that the Simpsons makes fun of her and not Jack Nicholson's wretched body around this time. Hey, he's friends with James L. Brooks. Yeah. He's James L. Brooks' buddy. Oh, maybe James. If they were, in fact, broken up at the time, maybe that was a direct order from James L. Brooks. Yeah, he's James L. Brooks' buddy, yeah. Oh, maybe James, if they were in fact broken up at the time,

maybe that was a direct order from James L. Brooks of like, guys, you got to get back at her. She broke my friend Jack's heart. You know, we all know Jack. I just called him that. We know who I'm talking about. He's just a sweet man, you know, a poor broken-hearted soul who only wanted to believe in love.

This just in in our Star Snoop segment. Apparently Jack Nicholson stole a Lara Flynn boil from David Spade because women are property. You can steal them from another man. How do you like that? She's making poor choices. I do remember hearing an interview with David Spade on that subject and he said

words to the effect of, yeah, you know, he came in and swooped in and what are you going to do? It's like he's more talented than me. He's more famous. He's richer, you know, seemed very, seemed to have a lot of grace and dignity in his defeat. You know, look, Lara Flynn Boyle, she can date who she wants. Of course. Yeah. I mean, Jack Nicholson, he went bald gracefully. David Spade living a lie since like 1994, think that's uh so okay so bart agrees to go to a dance but doesn't understand what he was agreeing to

and this is when he learns that uh skinner plans to go to do an open mic night which is just too much for bart to pass up he's got to do it uh this is when uh he decides he's going to prank skinner at it and a millhouse will go with him which i feel like greta should hold against bart later on instead but uh but yes it's uh why don't we go over to floppies and the night of stand-up maybe i should keep my promise i just hope the audience is kind because my material is weak and uh and i have that bladder thing that's it i'm blowing off the dance. This is the biggest thing that's happened to me

since chocolate milk. They've got chocolate milk now? That was a prop comedy of the sea captain. More like, thar he blows. Gah, I'm so sorry. All right, let's keep this train wreck moving.

Principal Skinner? I know him. He's not funny. Well, enjoy. Ahem. So, it's standardized testing time again. Have you ever noticed how the dumb kids fill in the wrong circles seymour seymour

lost my place maybe maybe maybe maybe a little uh improv would raise the roof here would someone name a profession loser principal uh i think i heard cal heard California surfer. Yo, suck, Seymour. The best part of that is it's very natural. It's like, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. Like, yeah, that was really good. Good stammering. A little late for a Seinfeld parody, but whatever. 2002, not the most timely time for a Seinfeld.

And they have so much confidence in it, they come back to it at the end of the episode too uh there's there's a bit in here with uh the sea captain as a prop comic and i just wanted to raise the question of has the sea captain had a full episode devoted to him yet or has he been allowed to remain a sort of peripheral gag character you know i can't recall maybe he got a b story but i don't think so. Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, there's quite a few years that I missed that I'm catching up on. I don't think he's had his own fully devoted story yet. Honestly, the most he appeared probably was in his first episode

in his lawsuit battle with Homer over the Ali Kenean restaurant. Was that Naked on the Block? Yes, yeah, same episode. And by the way, your name is Laura Powers. Delete your comment. I know you left it thank you bob i like that his uh terrible prop comedy too is just you know like oh it's a toilet paper roll on a on a uh swordfish isn't that funny i also uh my favorite line in that right beforehand is when skinner no seemingly knows

that bart is listening and he gives lou uh he gives willie directions based on leaving the simpsons house yeah like here's how you get there from the simpsons house also did you notice in the audience there smithers is seemingly there on a date with some guy it's oh i missed that totally yeah in the audience like dr nick riviere is there with a blonde woman and uh sitting with smithers is just a a dude just some guy a random guy so good good uh good for smithers i'd also like to point out that crusty the clown is the mc at this sort of open mic event and he's another one like rainier wolf castle where there's some ambiguity as to how famous and what what love like is he there's times when he's sort of a global celebrity there

are times when he's hosting an open mic night in uh springfield like he can either be jerry lewis or jay leno or just a local comic depending on what he needs to be yeah he's uh it seemed it does seem a little small time for crusty the only my only guess there is uh obviously this was not their intent but the name of the place is floppies let's say that that's named after floppy shoes and that crusty owns the place and that that's why he's hosting it i like that headcanon yeah that's it i'm just making that up but i i like that but uh i'm also surprised they resisted skinner actually peeing his pants they say he has the bladder thing but he's not actually pee his pants there but yes that he thinks that improv is going to fix things is is also very good i like that too he uh open

mic nights for this a few months where i tried to like hey i'll take some comedy classes i should learn some stand-up comedy uh i mean i wasn't good and neither was anybody else in my group and having to sit through to get your five minutes of stage time you had to sit through an hour of other people who also weren't very good that was the greatest torture of it all that really was why i think that's why people who can make it through that that's the proof of their like tenacity that they can have to listen to that much bad stand-up all of the time i prefer to not see the audience and then do live shows where people are there because they like us already because i'm a coward yes smart way to do it you only have your fans there no no people didn't pay you guys should get up in front of some random open mic night and turn it into a

live talking simpsons recording where you just like talk about some season 14 episode to the bewildered patrons well we did used to perform in the bar area of a place in san francisco and before we went to the theater area they have and people would just come in to like eat dinner yeah and we'd be doing our live show and there'd just be like an old couple there for their like 50th anniversary cutting up a steak yes yeah the i remember that one uh older woman who just sat in front of our projector that was showing our clips and i was like what uh i was trying to wordlessly gesture to her like don't sit in front of that people are looking it was mainly our the people there were there to see us but because it was an

open area someone could just sit at a table where a projector isn't like no we can sit here this is a table that's where i can sit down uh but uh but yeah so bart flakes on the date i like the unnatural silliness of this so of course it makes lisa into a nagging wife for the scene to work but like complete with her hair and curlers yes bart with his jacket over his shoulder lisa with hair and curlers telling bart that uh you're you know your date called you lied to her but i do like bart's you know very natural stance of i only lied because it was the easiest way to get what i wanted like you know it makes sense but it's kind of funny the way bart realizes and flashes back on all

this stuff the scrabble joke of him spelling oblivious that's okay but clearly bart has gotten better at scrabble since he had to make up quijabo then he could spell out oblivious very very smart it's pretty like a complex word for a 10 year old that has to have used all his letters too i would think bart saying that he kept it all light and breezy that was uh john frank saying that keeping things light and breezy not too committed yes then bart is told he decides he's gonna break up with her and he does it at Phineas Q. Butterfats. The return of the thing we just talked about, its first appearance. Yes, go to our Lisa's Pony episode. We discussed the origins of that and what it's based on.

But here it's a scene of a breakup. Hey, I didn't lead her on. I always played it light and breezy. Well, if you don't feel the way Greta does, you've got to tell her before she gets hurt. All right, I know what to do. I'll dump her like she's never been dumped before. Then we'll go right back to being friends. Well, Bart, you really understand women.

Lise, women are easy. State capitals are hard. And where were you? Cockfight. You're breaking up with me? Don't worry, we get that a lot here. Lou, you can't leave the force. I can change. I just think there's more money in private security.

What I'm hearing is I'm too fat. Aren't I? You know, it really shows you how invested they are in developing Greta as a character when she has nothing more to say than you're breaking up with me. Yes. And then they cut to a much longer exchange between Lou and Wiggum. And she just sobs and sobs. That's all there is for Greta to do.

Yeah. There's no reasoning. There's no her going like, well, you know, when you break up with a woman, they don't say anything. They just cry and have nothing else to say. That's women for you but uh i so my my favorite bit in that is just the fist like wigum has is the spoon in a fist upside down and just like kind of like this shoveling motion on the uh all the scoops of ice cream into his mouth is it's uh very well done it's very economical he gets those his whole thing in his mouth in forced arm movements. He's licking that bowl clean.

It's a good thing he didn't order a Mount Bellyache, the $88 sundae. Yeah, yeah. Though I guess, you know what, the pity party worked on Lou, that Lou is still with him in the next episodes and still on the force. So I guess he was able to talk him into staying. Yeah, they say that Reeseese uh mentioned that filming legally blonde is where she got more experience in crying so that's why she was so good at crying in the sequence here i mean why did bart break up with her like she like also just say you're not interested

in her why do you have to say like breaking up like it she you weren't dating yeah i was like were they ever officially a couple did i miss that beat i i don't understand it really yeah also another commentary thing i liked matt selmanman, because Matt Groening's not there, he dunks on Matt Groening because he's like, ooh, Matt Groening would like all those tears when he sees the tears coming out of her eyes. Matt Groening says one tear is enough, otherwise they'll mess it up. When Groening's not in the room, they are dumping on him for his many rules. So we come back from the break and this

feels like rainier wolf castle is pitching a funnier episode where he hunts down bart for revenge for breaking his little girl's heart they just say like no no that that's what this isn't a movie dad and so he's like oh yeah i guess we can't do something that silly instead it turns into this very lame uh love triangle thing with bill, which I think really kind of deflates the potential of the episode. And I guess we never really hear why Greta went for Milhouse. Yeah, I feel like it's just the simple writing of to hurt Bart. Like, I think they just wrote it as a girl who hurts. Pamela Hayden, the only woman in the room, asked, like, on the commentary, so does Greta like Milhouse or what?

And they're like, uh, maybe. Sure. Yeah. But why would she? Their only interaction with Milhouse in the show is him being the rudest house guest he could possibly be. But, yes, this is when Milhouse gets her on the rebound. Greta, I'm sorry I didn't handle the breakup well, but you're a sweet kid,

and someday you'll find someone who... What's up? Milhouse? Greta? Well, no one has to draw me a picture. Oh, but I did. Greta, is this how it is? Yes, except he kissed me in the eye. Oh, I was an idiot. Greta, is this how it is? Yes. Except he kissed me in the eye. Oh, I was an idiot. Now I'll be alone forever. Why did I break up with her?

Oh, Bart, it's human nature. You only want her because someone else has her. Prove it. Using examples from this room. Alright. Look, Maggie's not playing with this ball right now. But look what happens when i take it see give me the ball give me the ball this is a little similar to how lisa proves that there's a rock that makes tigers stay away in the uh in the the bear tax episode she's good at visual metaphors she is yeah it's uh also i like that maggie's playing with a bongo the rabbit doll with one ear on him yeah i mean millhouse is jumping to the scene with the was up that's great and that he kissed her on the eyeball that's also great yeah this uh this bit of bart stalking her

it's uh at least a the drawing of him standing behind a trash can then getting a caricature drawn of him that's kind of funny and they work on a licensed song yes yeah she used to be my girl for about 10 seconds the oj's get their pay the oj's are most famous for the song love train you know people of the world join in all right uh used to be my girl when they're lower well but it hey it worked out that they got a little payday there or at least they're record labels but yeah bart bart is stalking them and then bart then makes a phone call and this is when he learns that they're heading to toronto toronto and this is where rano toronto there you go rano you got it okay this also is where millhouse is playing with a barbie in the background there's a lot of feminization of millhouse in this uh down to like a like honestly kind of mean joke at the end of it yeah yeah but yeah so there's all stuff

about filming in toronto so like i don't get the feel i do i look this up and try to see like okay recent films filmed there and it doesn't seem like it happens as much in the last five years compared to vancouver british columbia i don't know well what's you does it feel like movies get filmed there as much now well i can give you some insight about some more of the movies that were filmed around the time that this episode came out such films as x-men death to smoochie a big one was was driven with sylvester stallone that one uh took place at our racetrack uh my big fat greek wedding the boondock saints, as well as such quintessentially Chicago movies as Blues Brothers 2000. And yes, yes, Chicago was filmed in Toronto as well.

They're making all the hits there. I mean, Exit Wounds is kind of my favorite of this period. You get to see Steven Seagal at the St. Lawrence Market or in front of Roy Thompson Hall. Those are big Toronto representation moments in cinema for us. But as for more recently, I mean, some movies have shot in the city. I remember Pixels with Adam Sandler was a big one, as was Suicide Squad. That was all over the city. I remember going out, just walking over to Yonge Street one night and seeing the Joker mobile go up and down the block a few times. I'm told the Batmobile came out a little bit later that night, but I didn't stay for that. But no, I mean, there were certain tax incentives at the time that made filming in

Toronto very attractive. And I mean, Canada still has those tax incentives. But SARS hit our city very big in, I think, 2002, 2003. SARS was this sort of like deadly plague. I think it only hit like, I think only a couple dozen people actually got it. But it was this, you know, it caused a panic in the city comparable to what COVID would cause much later. But I think it was a much more deadly disease. Anyway, the SARS panic only lasted maybe about six months in Toronto, but I think it really killed our film industry for a while. You know, it must burn you up as a Jackie Chan superfan that Rumble in the Bronx was filmed in Vancouver, not Toronto. You know, that's true, but he did film the tuxedo in Toronto. You can see him on our city hall. And in fact, while filming, I believe he developed such an affection for Toronto that as a way to get us out of our SARS slump, he came and did some sort of concert here in Toronto and he got the key to the city. I don't know what the concert was. I think I just remember seeing a news report on it at the time. So Jackie Chan, I consider him a friend of Toronto. I don't know if he would consider himself a friend of Toronto, but he was there for us in

our hour of need. And Will, I feel like you probably haven't, but did you see the reason Pixar film Turning Red, which is set in 2003 Toronto? I didn't, but I should. Just as a connoisseur, as a fan of Toronto set movies. I mean, when I think of Hollywood movies that are actually set in Toronto and not just filmed here, it's kind of that and Scott Pilgrim vs. The World are the two examples that come to mind. Which also has a plot line about filming a movie there, an American film there yeah yeah scott pilgrim versus the world was a huge movie for any of us who were like 20 years old when it came out and looked exactly like michael cera and we're in the same neighborhoods as that movie was shot finally representation yeah you know movies now i'm just it's really just atlanta to me is the most distracting thing of like that everything is in atlanta like i felt like a fool when i listened to the commentary for the film black panther because they say like oh you know there's a big they wanted it to have this james

bond kind of feel in some scenes so they go to you know seoul korea for for part of it and then they go down you know this uh this classic seoul street fair uh street market to buy stuff and on the commentary they're just going like yeah this is just like a parking lot and in atlanta this is over there and i was like wow is everything fucking atlanta like they just uh we brought up kevin smith before uh didn't he have to recreate uh the quick stop and rst video in atlanta they like rebuild it in louisiana louisiana it was in new orleans yeah because the it was there were no but he got no benefits from filming in new jersey, and it was literally cheaper tax breaks to film in New Orleans and build the quick stop there than film in New Jersey. Yes.

Well, also, speaking of Kevin Smith, he is sicko for Canada. He loves Canada. That's right. He did two episodes of fucking Degrassi, The Next Generation, his love of Canada. Director of Yoga Hosers. Yeah. I mean, his love for canada you you do hear about it but as a canadian i just want to say that yoga hosers is a very offensive

movie to all of us in canada like all all of the aboot all that shit all the canadian stereotypes i mean i mean listen that's one that kind of crosses the line for me and to like how how dare you sir he didn't even film it in Canada. Like, if you're going to do all that, if you're going to do all that like hoser shit, you better come here and film it and employ our talent. That's what I say. That's just like, that actually is cultural appropriation if you ask me. Why hire a Canadian? We can hire Johnny Depp's child to be in your movie.

Or your own. Just on top of the fact that Yoga Hoser is obviously, you know, possibly the worst movie ever made. Oh boy, one of these days. But yes, now it's time for the Simpsons to finally go to Canada in a very certainly fulfilling

to Canadian sequence. Here's the first clip. Leave a message at the beep. But don't be a message monster hogging on my tape. Greta, it's me. Here's the first clip. shooting a movie in Toronto. You're going to Spain? Goodbye, Bart. So to win Greta back, I have to go to Toronto. Canada? Why should we leave America to visit America Jr.? This is for love, Dad. Someday you'll feel what I feel. It's only fair. We went to Europe when Lisa lost her balloon. Maggie, what do you think all right son we'll all go first class it's on first class bus that's the but i feel like maggie with her little canada flag that was made

for commercials like just yeah to share only in canada but i like that there was a crappier episode that we didn't see where they go to europe chasing after a balloon for lisa like that just happened happened off screen. But yeah, I have to think for a Canadian viewer that the very first joke about arriving in Canada is that off the bus comes a Mountie, a hockey player and Sasquatch. That feels,

feels pretty broad upfront there with the Canadian jokes. That's true. Although I did enjoy that the bus station was the birthplace of Paul Schaefer. I thought that was a funny joke. And also, just as a Canadian, I do think it speaks to our knowledge of who all the Canadian celebrities are. I saw he grew up in Fort William. That's born in Toronto, grew up in Fort William. That's at least growing in Wikipedia. If you ever find yourself in Toronto, you should come down to king street and see the canadian walk of fame and you can pay your tribute you can you can pay tribute to you know howie mandel and some of our other great canadians you know uh they make a lot

of jokes about how uh boring and clean canada is but you know 20 years later we americans were craving that stability you know and as a future canadian resident i i do uh speak of the virtues of canada and canadians tell you know, it's not perfect. And I agree, it's not perfect. But that's like if someone is drinking out of the toilet and you're drinking a glass of tap water and you're saying this tap water could be better, but I'm drinking out of the toilet. I will say that if that's my stance, if indeed Canada is clean compared to the United States, I think that speaks to our infrastructure and the quality of it. Yeah, I mean, as soon as I get back to America, I am like Marge as the police woman looking around and seeing everything that's wrong. That horse does not have a diaper.

And just how filthy everything is. Yeah, that clean and bland thing. That is how I felt when I first visited Vancouver. And I was like, wow, this is just nice. So I take the train straight from the airport and then like two blocks from my uh airbnb and then airbnb just very nice and friendly and i took a walk every morning and it was cherry blossom season in vancouver that week and it was oh man what a beautiful time it was there bob but yes uh here here is a smattering of canada jokes and also because the writers of this grew up in the 80s or early, late 70s,

one of their favorites had to be SCTV and their most Canadian of characters. It's so clean and bland. I'm home. Wow, this bus station is the birthplace of Paul Schaefer. Dad, no, it says don't walk! Doesn't matter. They have free health care. I'm rich! Take off! Through the great white gulf!

Take off! It's a beauty way to go! Take off! I'm a ten-year-old boy in Toronto. I should be the happiest kid in the world. But I can't stop thinking about Greta. Oh, you'll win her back, eh? And B, we're closing in five minutes. Would a U.S. dollar change your mind?

American currency! What time would you like your breakfast, sir? Over there, you can see them shooting the film Canadian Graffiti. I see you drive on the left up here. No, ma'am. I'm drunk. There it is. Wolf Castle's movie set.

That is just a checklist. Yep. Yeah. You hear it all in one clip. You're like, oh, there's every Canada joke right there. And I was thinking, you know, if they're going to pile on the needless cameos, why not get Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis to be, you know, their characters? I was also thinking, you know, Rick Moranis to be their characters? I was also thinking, you know,

Rick Moranis, he was out of acting, but no, they basically played those characters in Brother Bear. Yeah, which came out the same year. 2003, yeah. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner, and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help

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how best to take advantage of the Canadian milieu. By the way, I'll just say, reminiscing about how this episode was received, the movie's very inaccurate depiction of the sky dome and the cn tower was widely noted on the schoolyard afterwards oh so i mean what's what's the big uh misconceptions here the the sky dome and the cn just not that's not what the viewing area looks like in the cn tower uh the buildings themselves look completely different also the two buildings are next to each other in Toronto. They're not in different areas. So there was much consternation on the schoolyard about, you know, we'd all been hyped for this Simpsons Go to Toronto episode, and they couldn't even get our two most famous landmarks looking the way they should.

I have similar problems because if you play the Mario Kart mobile game, all of the tracks are like Mushroom Kingdom areas like, you know, Koopa Beach and Rainbow Row, but they have a Vancouver track and the geography is wildly different than it is in real life. That said, I mean, maybe there is something to the idea that Springfield's own geography is so unstable that why shouldn't Toronto's also be in this world? You know, the CN Tower, I only know as a Toronto landmark because it was a plot point in the new season of Kids in the Hall, which I greatly enjoyed. That new season was really good. It was great. I hope you know that the CN Tower was at one point the tallest building in the world. And then it became the tallest freestanding building in the world. And the last time I went there was in 2017, which is also the second time in my life I've been there. You go once every 20 years when you're a Canadian. And I uh that's the kind of country that we are we are building things that that it will give us a shortcut into being world class uh so so you know it's it's basically a non-functional building it's just a building that exists for the sake of it and there's a restaurant up there but uh anyway the plaque on the wall said you know this year to this year tallest building in the world this year to this

year tallest freestanding building in the world and then it was, you know, this year to this year, tallest building in the world, this year to this year, tallest freestanding building in the world. And then it was like, you know, 20 whatever to present world's tallest wine cellar. And I think at that point, I think at that point when you get world's tallest wine cellar, it's it's OK to just give up on trying to impress me anymore. You know, I mean, by virtue of the actual term, a wine cellar should be underground. Well, that's the thing, that's the thing they they have the world's tallest uh the world's highest uh wine cellar so uh anyway i i am still impressed by the building it is a very tall building and i think uh if it's if it doesn't beat some of the buildings in dubai i think it can still happily rest on its laurels, comfortably being easily the tallest building in the downtown cityscape.

Okay, do you guys still just call it the Sky Dome or do you call it the Rogers Center? Oh, gosh. I mean, this is a bit of a generational thing, I think. I think Rogers Center has pretty much taken over. Certainly, it's taken over in any media discussion of it. I think to call it the Sky Dome makes you sound like you're clinging on to something from the past. So I just try to avoid talking about it in general.

But if you were to give somebody directions of like, oh, just take a left at the Roger Center, you would say that and not the Sky Dome? I think at this point I might say Rogers Center and it pains me. See, the Sky Dome, I only know it as this magical setting of WrestleMania 6 when I was growing up because that's where, wow, WrestleMania 6, it looks so cool in the Sky Dome. It's where Hulk Hogan battled the Ultimate Warrior and all that. I hear about the Sky Dome, the Sky Dome. So then when I find out that it's now the Rogers Center, it's just like depressing to me. Sky Dome is such a cool word or name, you know? We can't say Staples Center anymore. Yeah that it's now the Rogers Center, it's just depressing to me. Sky Dome is such a cool word or name.

We can't say Staples Center anymore. Yeah, it's not even that. It's the crypto.com arena. Yeah, that's right. I also just want to say that the Rogers Company bought that place for pennies on the dollar. I mean, they got an incredibly good deal from the city on that. Billions of dollars of taxpayer money went to build that place and it just got sold for for a pittance and then on top of that they just brand their own wretched name on it yeah yeah the

rogers center i don't like calling it the rogers center but at this point the war has been lost you know i hope you can't talk too bad about it because we're depending on rogers for your internet right now to hold out on this this street yeah it hasn't hasn't been that reliable has it yeah uh and yes we have a joke about people who assume that you drive on the wrong side of the road in canada which they're the opposite from america's side of the road but you don't you don't that's the guy's just drunk where are the jokes about milking bags though that's what i wanted to hear i got i got roasted in roasted in Vancouver when I said I thought there were milk in bags there. And then people were like, no, not in BC.

I got roasted for that. I've never seen any bagged milk. We do have bagged milk here in Ontario. But I do also want to say that most grocery stores have carton options if you're not comfortable manipulating the bag of milk. But so this is when uh canada joke time's over it's now just onto a set of a silly silly nerd movie uh which feels like a sequel to their joke from crusty gets canceled where help my son is a nerd yeah this feels like the comedic sequel to that serious drama yes it's not the comedy but but this is where i feel like they lose the reality of it because bart's watching them film a scene but then melvin eugene puny meyer does throw a man

into another man and it works like it would in a movie like the special effect is in front of them i was like i we're losing the reality of the film we're watching filmed here also yeah and also this is uh a bit dated because they're kind of parodying like maybe 80s early 90s movies the the teen movies are like american pie and van wilder and things like that this is not the kind of like wacky boob comedies they make in 2002 yeah they were they were more on to things the previous episode or two episodes earlier in jaws wired shut where they see soccer mummy where it is like a boner jokes in it you know that is much more accurate for late 90s comedy than this undercover nerd joke but i do like that the

bullies say uh just more of you to pick on like they're not scared at all of a giant nerd and they're going to pick on a giant nerd but uh but yes millhouse prevents bart from confronting her homer also just passes out uh while talking to bart which is not a good sign for his health that he they can't stay conscious but um millhouse then uh is trying to get over a new catchphrase he has about calling himself the house she's with the house now they wanted to use that more internally within the show but millhouse rarely wins so it never caught on i also like that millhouse says you know my therapist tells me this is the best i'm gonna do is that a girl dates me to hurt a friend so uh is that dr sally waxler oh yeah yeah i guess

it has to be bart and millhouse fight they even play the same music from their fight that was used in bart's friends falls in love which is a parody of the star trek battle music for of spock and kirk fighting this is where millhouse gets in a couple a couple little more canada lines like calling bart a hoser and saying you know i'll kick you over to the next province you know all the classic uh canadianisms uh then they uh stumble into curling for loonies a very canadian joke as well so you get curling and loonies back to back here yeah and it's a parody of bowling for dollars so i looked into this because i've heard jokes about a game show called So you get curling and loonies back to back here. Yeah, and it's a parody of Bowling for Dollars. So I looked into this because I've heard jokes about a game show called Bowling for Dollars,

and I'm like, what is this? You know how there were like regional bozos, the Bozo the Clown shows? This was like a regional licensed game show. Many local markets had their own Bowling for Dollars. And because I just listened to the Stephen E. D'Souza commentary track for Street Fighter the movie, I learned that that was one of his first roles in TV was working for a local edition of bowling for dollars that's amazing yeah that is amazing maybe there was like a brief revival but this is like before all of our time i remember comedy central had like their own version of like a bowling comedy show they did

yeah that felt like a parody of it it was called let's bowl and it had a lot of like maybe like a handful of former mystery science theater people associated with it. Right, that's why I watch it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like Americans just had recently discovered curling. Like, they were... Because, like, the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics had some curling on it,

and people were like, oh, this is actually compelling to watch. Though, you know, on my one trip to Vancouver this year, I, you know, I was a little sad. I realized I went cashless the whole time and was just using a card everywhere. Didn't need to do any exchange stuff. But so I didn't even come back with a single loonie or a toonie. I didn't have any Canadian money.

I can hook you up. You got that stuff sitting around. I smuggled it across the border. Now your wife's friend, Ian, was joking like, I just bought something. I had some loonies in my pocket. I had just given you one just to keep. But so I still have yet to touch a loonie or a toonie. I have touched many in my day.

It's boring to you now. Yeah. Well, yeah, imagine us on the schoolyard, seventh grade, little 12-year-old veterans of Canada being fed a joke about curling as if we had never heard of curling before. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Again, we were very disappointed. But I am, in my old age and wisdom, looking at the episode in this segment with a more generous spirit now.

I wish Marge was around. I think Marge would enjoy this sport because it involves a little broom. It's like it's cleaning and it's a sport. I think Marge was around. I think Marge would enjoy this sport because it involves a little broom. It's cleaning and it's a sport. I think she would enjoy that. The fight is broken up by Greta and this is when she confronts both of the boys. Well, we've seen some wild sweeping here today.

Yes, the broom handling has been truly dazzling. What's this? Two young Yankee doodles have turned this match into a dandy. Ha ha ha ha. Both our viewers must be thrilled. Greta, I miss you so much. Please be my girlfriend again. No.

Yes! The house always wins! Sorry, Milhouse. I thought Canada would save our relationship. But it only made it worse. You're breaking up with me? Why? I guess I was just looking for someone more... masculine. I told you. I don't know how that scrunchie got in my hair.

Sorry, guys. But you two have put me off dating for at least four years. I think I'll just buckle down and co-produce my dad's movies. Need a unit production manager?'s too late bart i don't like bart making that noise yeah you know they make these jokes about nepotism but a lot of these writers their kids would later go on to like write for the show yeah yeah and co-produce things they all write for the show now multiple writers have had their children write for the show that's how a lot of young people start writing for the simpsons or also in the case of greg daniels like a former simpsons writer go on to uh co-create

king of the hill the u.s version of the office like he's produced multiple uh reality shows with his daughter like that's just uh you know this is probably one of the last times that they'd be able to make this joke before they built their own glass house of nepotism around themselves though the simpsons creators but uh and yeah i mean the katherine schwarzenegger did do she worked a little on her family stuff but she's now uh her gamble instead before uh marrying chris pratt was just writing like general self-help books like what do you do after college or whatever well you ask your rich uh millionaire father for money or you stay in one of his many houses uh that's uh and i think uh then her little sister did a book about uh adderall addiction that she suffered from or something so a lot of book writing stuff i mean right you know at least it wasn't kids books like chelsea clinton writes

like those pieces of crap but um but yeah greta just and now honestly 20 years later reese witherspoon working a lot with her daughter helping her helping her a lot to produce her movies so it's a circle of life there we'll never be rid of these celebs nope the joke about millhouse being effeminate again it's like i i mean it's jokes about millhouse being gay there's so many of them but i've said it before but i i refer back to our our pal friend of the show uh who interviewed me for an article uh a trans writer henry uh giardina uh their theory that millhouse is perhaps a trans woman and that uh that is a more uh friendly reading of uh this than just the like joking that millhouse is a queer like yeah i mean the intent of the show is look at this

disgusting boy who combs dolls and wears scrunchies he must be mocked yes he must be mocked he's outside of the norms what a horrible child he is 2002 is bad yeah it's nothing about it is good greta leaves the the boys only learn late that they could get easy jobs on hollywood productions by being friends of a famous person's kid uh but uh but so yes then uh millhouse then thinks that they are basically divorced which that's probably because you know he's identifying too much with his dad who thinks like oh if relationships end then she gets half your stuff we have one last attack at canada here uh but not enough they also then have to attack on a seinfeld ending well i guess we're single again i can't believe then have to tack on a Seinfeld ending. Well, I guess we're single again.

I can't believe I have to give her half my stuff. But are we still friends? Till the next one. So what do we do now? Well, we're in Canada. Let's find something fun. I've got just the ticket. Come on.

I can't believe we're on the Canadian Olympic basketball team. Yep, it's just that easy. Wow, that was close. You can be the center. How come you always run out of tardy slips before you run out of permission slips? How come you suck? Um, i lack confidence it feels like a deleted scene or something they stuck at the end because it's like the the joke on uh canadian basketball wasn't strong enough yes yeah that's that's what it feels like oh yeah

let's let's reference uh seinfeld again let's do that i well in in general will what do you think of the you know you hear castlonetta there uh with his canadian basketball player and the that was uh harry shearer and tress mcneil doing the two hosts what what do you think of these american comedians and their uh mocking of canadian accents i'm uh as a representative of canada as probably canada's most famous and beloved global citizen i think it's okay uh i think we can take a little ribbing i would reiterate the point i made earlier which is that the most interesting thing about this episode is it shows what a group of uh well-educated americans without doing any research

assume canada is it's like just put a piece of paper in front of them and i truly believe they did no research whatsoever that put a paper in front of them what are the things that they think about toronto it's like uh hockey and uh curling and uh the cn tower and the sky dome and uh the bob and doug mckenzie song take off and uh yeah yeah yeah and and draft dodgers for the vietnam war went there i just think that's interesting it's an interesting perspective i guess those draft dodger jokes they had come back into popularity because it was a thing you could attack george w bush over for not going to vietnam which it's like it's one of the better things he did to not bomb people in Vietnam you

know but yeah I think uh though this joke about the the quality of the Canadian men's basketball team uh so I mean in their in their record they got a silver medal in 1936 no other medals since then uh in the then recent 2000 summer games they did get to the quarterfinals which you know that's admirable for canada and the basketball i think so hey it's a canadian sport yeah yes exactly hey actually i'm surprised you know a few episodes ago we a podcast ago we talked about the season three episode when flanders failed uh which had the razzing of the cfl i'm surprised there weren't cfl jokes in this place instead it was about the olympic instead. And again, I would just like to emphasize, because I am Canada's spokesperson, that the

Toronto Raptors did win the 2019 NBA finals. It was a very proud moment for the country. So the Simpsons can put that in their pipe and smoke it. Yeah. Times have changed. That's for sure. for sure we'll see hey we'll see how the those teams do in the 2024 best of luck to the men's canadian basketball team in the 2024 olympics i mean now that we're more of a failed state than ever we have to get off our high horse about canada it's true yeah they we count on them for so much but yeah i guess i don't really like that it ends with guys agreeing that like well a woman men fight, and then they break up and we'll have another fight again over a stupid woman. I'm not the biggest fan of that joke.

It's a bit regressive. Yeah. I mean, there are good season 13 ones. We've covered a few of them. This one I feel like is a failure because Greta's boring. She's one of Bart's most boring girlfriends in quotes. That's not even really what's happening here. I guess in her mind it's what's happening, but there's nothing to her, and that's really disappointing.

Anytime a female guest star comes on and they kind of underwrite them to be flattering, they don't want to make their character too crazy or whatever. It just leads to them being boring. And then the Canadian stuff is like four minutes. And like Will said, it's like a chalkboard is in a room, write down everything you know about Toronto. Let's get to work, gentlemen. And that's it.

So yeah, I feel like this is a real stinker. It's a real stinker, I think. Yeah, I would say the overall problem is not so. It's a real stinker, I think. Yeah, I would say the overall problem is not so much that the Canada stuff is weak, although it is. It's just that the whole episode, kind of shapeless, feels like a lot of leftover bits from earlier shows, but not as good. They should have spent two acts in Canada instead, but they only wanted the end of the third act to be there. And I think the biggest point for me that I like in this episode is,

I wish that Was Up had remained Milhouse's catchphrase to this day. And then he would enter scenes screaming it. And it'd get only funnier as time went on. But yeah, I mean, also just a real waste of Reese Witherspoon, who is at the height of her powers, like who is a very gifted actress who, you know, despite her business decisions she's made in the last decade or so. I mean, like her in election is she's just the greatest. She's so good in that role as Tracy Fleck. I recommend you look up her her best performances when she was pulled over for drunk driving.

Oh, I haven't seen that one. It's very, very funny. This is beyond funny this is beyond this is beyond i say that all the time but uh but yeah it's uh yeah not that not the simpsons best that's for sure uh but thanks again for joining us will please let us know where we can find you and also more about your podcast you have michael and us you have the important cinema club what's going on there that's right michael and us is a culture and politics podcast, which I host with my buddy, Luke Savage. And the Important Cinema Club is a film history podcast

that I host with my buddy, Justin DeClew, a big Talking Simpsons fan, by the way. And you can also find me on Twitter at Will Sloan ESQ. That's awesome. Yeah, you have some fun tweets. Sometimes you end up the main character of Twitter occasionally. occasionally but yeah well i genuinely don't try to be but yeah it was uh thank you we we appreciate being called upon to be our canadian expert for this this episode and all of its uh toronto specifics here what i forgot to ask like when you were a 10 year old boy in Toronto, like Bart, were you the happiest boy ever too?

Uh, uh, I'm going to say yes for, for purposes of that. Yes, I was who wouldn't want to live in Canada. The Simpsons was right. Okay. Yes.

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