Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - The Boy Who Knew Too Much

Episode Date: July 12, 2017

Bart plays hooky from school, which obviously leads him into the center of a trial where he's the only witness to a crime. Will Bart risk Skinner's wrath to prove the man's innocence? Also, what's... the deal with the Meow Mix jingle and Claus Von Bulow? We explain it all in this week's the podcast!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This week's episode of Talking Simpsons is brought to you by you. That's right, we're on Patreon now, so head on over to patreon.com slash talking simpsons. For as little as $5 a month, you can help our show and get all kinds of great extra content on top of that. We've got a ton of great bonus content waiting for you right now, so head on over to patreon.com slash talking simpsons today. I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to TalkingSimpsons, where the children are always wrong. I am your host, Bob Mackie, some sort of non-giving-up podcast guy. And this is the Lazer Time Podcast Network's chronological exploration of The Simpsons.
Starting point is 00:00:52 Who else is here with me today? Happily mortgaging his future, Henry Gilbert. And who else? Chris Santista does it nine months a year. And today's episode is The Boy Who Knew Too Much. Ah, the joys of mortgaging your future. And that episode aired on May 5th, 1994. And as always, Chris will tell us what happened on this day in history.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Hot kid Mary! The three ninjas kick back in their very first sequel. John Wayne Gacy has been executed. And Ever the Simpsons companion, Rock, starring Charles S. Dutton, takes a bow after four seasons.
Starting point is 00:01:28 Oh, wow. That's, I thought that was incredibly important to mention. I know we've made asides to that, but when the Simpsons
Starting point is 00:01:34 moved to Thursday, it was always before Rock. A show I never loved, but watched a lot of because of the Simpsons. And they eventually made it a live show to sort of sweeten the pot. He would hold, like a hostage, he would hold up a newspaper of The Simpsons. And they eventually made it a live show. They did, to save themselves.
Starting point is 00:01:49 Like a hostage, he would hold up a newspaper of today's headlines. Yeah, it's going to be a live show. It didn't save Undateable either, though. An all-new rock. It is synonymous with me with the first couple years of The Simpsons. And odds are, if you lived in America, same for you. It's so interesting, too, that The Simpsons on those nights got paired with not one, but two shows with an African-American lead,
Starting point is 00:02:09 like Martin and Rock. They're not really the same. In Living Color. Rock was the single guy in the middle of its Friends and Seinfeld sandwich. But this would be the end of the... We're getting close to the end of the Thursday of Simpsons. They'll be on sunday soon but it wouldn't be the last preachy black sitcom
Starting point is 00:02:29 uh no my favorite uh talking about tyler perry's house of pain all 800 episodes of it one of my favorite new shows is carmichael which is kind of it's just when you said rock it made me think of the carmichael show because they both are very traditional-styled old sitcoms that basically never leave the living room of a big house. But have giant, long conversations. And the difference there is that David Alan Greer gets to play the Archie Bunker character, and that makes it awesome. The Carmichael show will give you faith in the sitcom.
Starting point is 00:03:00 Oh, Dag is awesome. Dag is awesome on it. In the first season, if I were to direct you to watch a couple Carmichaels, the one about Black Lives Matter was really good, as was the one about guns,
Starting point is 00:03:12 and is it okay to own a gun or not? I think I have heard about both of these episodes. I forgot about the show, but talking about... I saw it in getting my sandwich, and that's what made me fall in love with it.
Starting point is 00:03:22 They ring the doorbell, and David Allen Greer answers like, where's mom? she's in the goddamn kitchen where she belongs i'm just kidding she's in the kitchen but on her own volition and simpsons connection mike scully does work on that show oh he does okay yeah we mentioned the three ninjas and uh i that was sort of the like post home alone kids beating up adults uh genre and I remember of the first movie that's the only one I saw is they defeated one of the villains or maybe all of them by giving them diarrhea yeah it was like they
Starting point is 00:03:51 mixed a potion that gave one of them diarrhea they marketed it as in like Home Alone is for queers we really prank these burglars we got fucking nunchucks we're gonna break them I think the well they had to get at least silly with diarrhea because otherwise it's like these kids are punching adults and that feels weird but though
Starting point is 00:04:10 then i remember i think my mom said it when we saw the first one of like that kid's six no matter how good a kid is at karate he punches me in the face i'm not going down right it does oh it's a kick back or three ninjas sorry i was just thinking of Home Alone, which the latter half is just a Warner Brothers cartoon. Oh, no. Their heads would have been caved in three times. That is like eight minutes of a two-hour movie just that scene. It's much shorter than you remember.
Starting point is 00:04:36 But, yeah, today's episode is all about Bart witnessing something and then having to hold the secret deep within his heart. Yes, a 12 angry men-ish? Sort of. With a Hitchcock title? Yeah, the Hitchcock stuff does not figure into this at all. Well, it is what's a great John Schwartzwelder episode in that it is just a mess of things, but everything's great and crazy and wacky. And lots and lots of making fun of Democrats.
Starting point is 00:05:04 Yeah. Specifically the Kennedys. After the previous episode, which was Bart befriends Skinner, one week later you were seeing an episode where Skinner tries to kill Bart. They should have been in reverse order. Yeah, it's a bit of a flip for Skinner
Starting point is 00:05:18 who just forgot about how he connected with Bart. But I'll maintain that sweet Seymour Skinner's badass song should have been the season finale to like dig into a character that hard I think that's why they ended up with two Skinners together is that they they rearranged that one they chose that one to be the hundredth one for that to be
Starting point is 00:05:35 the event one because they wanted a Bart focused episode so they just moved it to a different time and maybe they should have shuffled a little bit more and if they'd had Lady Bouvier here instead of this one it would have at least been like a swapper yeah i believe the intended season finale was supposed to be uh bart of darkness yes the summer episode but there was an earthquake and we'll get to that soon give us four or five weeks yes uh but yeah today's episode is all about how school is a prison and there's even a prison bus to pick you up.
Starting point is 00:06:05 Prison bus, Otto? The regular school bus broke down, so take a seat before I blow your heads off. Otto! Sorry. This bus and I have sort of a shining thing going on. That's the most Otto's had to do with a joke. That joke has more to do than just Otto likes rock music or Otto is a stoner. It's that Otto is being driven crazy by this bus.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Yeah, there's nothing really Otto-ish about that joke. He's just the bus driver. Well, and his voice kind of becomes Jasper at the end there, too. A little bit. Fine line between Jasper and Otto for Harry Shearer. Is Jasper Otto's dad? Quick, write a bad article about this. You know, if we were really out to get rich, that would be all we'd be doing.
Starting point is 00:06:44 We wouldn't be doing this show. We'd be just doing videos with a picture of, like, Otto. Jasper is Otto's dad. Here's a visual example of a forum thread I'd read. But this is so Merkany, too, of, like, school is a prison and horror, and it's torture to children for no good reason. I haven't had a chance to mention it in a while, but that is exactly how I felt at Barts. Same here.
Starting point is 00:07:03 That's why I love this show. It's like, oh, my God, they're speaking directly to me. They're not saying, school is so wonderful and fulfilling. Like, no, it hurts and it's painful. You just want to be outside and free. I think there were still worry warts and watchdogs slandering the Simpsons. It was like four or five down on the notches that they make school look like a prison. They're attacking American institutions on that program.
Starting point is 00:07:22 And the Shining reference is kind of a tell of that. In about six episodes, though, six months, they're going to do the greatest Shining parody ever done. But Otto didn't say shining because he wasn't afraid of being sued. Yeah, it's true. So one of the tortures Bart has to endure are these new posture chairs. Yes, yeah. Well, Bart's imagination of Huck Finn.
Starting point is 00:07:43 Oh, right. At first it was like, well, Bart would never have read this book, even if they forced him to. He'd learn a lot of awful words. That would show him, I guess his ignorance is shown because Lincoln is there, which he even misspells. Did you catch that? He says L-I-N-C-L-N. He leads up the silent L. Lincoln. But yeah, things don't get any better once he gets to school. Our new ultra-hard posturific chairs have arrived.
Starting point is 00:08:09 They've been designed by eminent posturologists to eliminate slouching by the year 3000. Mrs. Krabappel, I'm having back spasms. I know, they seem a little uncomfortable right now. But eventually your bones will change shape. I lost all feeling in the left side of my body. Yeah, yeah. So one, they hadn't invented the term ergonomics yet. Right. I guess it's posturology.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Posturologist. And it's a dumb story, but it did happen in my school. And that always made me understand the Milhouse joke a little better. This girl came into class, sat down, and then bell rang and she couldn't stand. And the hospital had to come get her. And they're like, what? Okay, she's fine. She comes back to class the next day and the exact same thing happens. So like something in the chair
Starting point is 00:08:52 would like, yeah, would like nerve pinch her into where she could not use her legs. That happened in my high school. I think we've learned or maybe they knew even then that sitting all day is not good for you. It actually kills you. You should not be sitting all day when that's all kids do for eight hours a day.
Starting point is 00:09:08 I can't believe I had to pay extra for a watch that tells me to stand. Does Minnie Mouse tell you to stand, Chris, on that watch? Stand up, it's 420. School chairs are especially painful. They're just molded plastic and it's super cheap.
Starting point is 00:09:24 Why would you spend money on children i love seeing them thrown out all throughout like when i'm riding my bike around the city just because they're two parts yeah there's no getting rid of them break them in and that the posterific chairs especially are what i think merkin and the producer saw of bureaucracy that they just heard oh these chairs will make things better in a thousand years okay then let's torture children now for one thousand years to make spines better yeah and that it is chilling how real the paralysis is on millhouse good animation and that edna doesn't care and that again from the last episode which was a rather grounded story about the running of a school,
Starting point is 00:10:06 other than, you know, chasing a dog through air vents, but mostly grounded. Then you have this one, which is a sci-fi hellscape of a school torturing the students. It is very terrible. And Bart had been tampering with the clock all year with the little bastard clock tampering kit. Yeah. And they have to stay after. And Edna is somehow, like, happy about this's i guess she's just happy to punish them yeah this is a rare episode where edna prefers hurting the children to doing her job yes normally she prefers
Starting point is 00:10:35 to do a worse job and they little this is the first appearance a little bastard you a little bastard though we'll only see it three other times because the little bastard thing was merkin really liked it but i don't think anybody else did because it wasn't kept around. It was the little bastard kit was used by Bart in Itchy and Scratchy Land. All right. It's like the traveling kit. And then in the Joy of Sect, there are two little bastards. Bart tries to little bastard the movementarians, but they get him back with their own little bastard.
Starting point is 00:11:04 I had one. We made ourselves a little bastard kit. My friend who hadn't seen The Simpsons thought it was the most amazing name I'd ever given anything, but it was filled with glass cutters, suction cups, a wire tap. His dad had money. Were you part of an art
Starting point is 00:11:19 thief re-ring? What's happening? He was like an aspiring Quentin Tarantino-esque hitman and thief as a little boy. He liked to break into stuff. Still a good friend. Seeing the word bastard on screen as a kid made it more impactful than just that they had said it out loud. They wrote a swear on screen.
Starting point is 00:11:36 We did hear the bastard song in the Herb Powell episode. Herb, not Herb. And then Bart is distracted by seeing freddie quimby first introduced outside the window and writes a note to get away which edna should have just called him out on it right then instead of just letting him go then we have a cute little batman 66 reference of the prime computer yeah actually it's funny
Starting point is 00:12:00 that in the previous episode uh skinner gets in hot water for not trusting a child's word on something. So I guess this is why they want to make sure. Oh, yeah. They want to make doubly sure. Well, they probably had, like, a lawsuit over Weinstein's parents. Yom Kippur. They also reveal more to the sci-fi hellscape thing that Martin implanted a thing in his brain. Yes, he's just happily sitting there while this thing is beeping.
Starting point is 00:12:23 Voluntarily. in his brain yes he's just happily sitting there while this thing is beeping voluntarily yeah again it's it's impossible for me to not view this next to sweet seymour skinner because it was on my tape next to it so you see martin go from a kid who would bake cookies for his teacher and be a suck up in that way to like to have elective brain surgery so the school's where he is yeah it is such a big difference and then we get a cute scene of good cop bad cop with lisa spill it where's your brother you'd better answer him lisa he's a bad man what are you laughing about you started off as the bad cop and now you're the good one you and willie got mixed up about ten minutes ago. We did not. Now where's Bart? You better tell me.
Starting point is 00:13:06 You better tell him, Lassie. I cannot control him when he gets like this. Now you're the good cop. What? Look how the scene ends with just him saying, what? And I was cringing. I'm like, because obviously we do the show and try and figure out what everything's a reference to. And I was like, don't put Lisa in a basic instinct reference.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Because it's framed like that for almost a second. Willie would do that later. We'd get that from Willie in just one year. I don't even know if Basic Instinct was out at this point. It was. But not for them to have put it in production.
Starting point is 00:13:37 They made fun of the movie that Sharon Stone did after that in Burns is Air, Sliver. And also on The Critic, they did do in their first episode, their first joke is the beaver shot. Can we get a shot of that? Bart is mortgaging his future happily, and we get some pretty well done scary hobos. Those are some terrifying hobos who want to show
Starting point is 00:13:57 Bart a dead body. I always thought of that line mortgaging my future whenever I had to sign up for a new student loan. It's like, oh, is it funny, Bob? It will never be funny. I'm in a lot of financial pain. Thank you for giving us money, by the way. Yes, thanks, everybody.
Starting point is 00:14:13 I would think of it whenever I was just like, man, I'm not going to do that project. I'll do that project tomorrow. I'll do that project as a student in school. Let future Bob deal with that. I fucking hate that guy. Well, yes, I always mortgaged my future as a student. student in school future bob deal with that i fucking hate that well i yes i always mortgage my future as a student i'm smarter than bart but i was just as lazy in and i think maybe that was
Starting point is 00:14:31 it was the gifted kid curse that didn't happen to every kid in my gifted classes but i had that feeling like well okay i'm gifted i'm smart i don't have to do this project now i bet if i just did it tomorrow or if i wrote this thing right before school, it'll be just as good. I'll play a video game. I learned that lesson, too. It happened to me. My parents put me on too much of an accelerated course before school, and I got used to not paying attention. And I didn't have to pay attention until about sixth grade.
Starting point is 00:14:55 By then, I didn't know how. It was bad. Fuck you, Mama Dead. So on his day off, Bart does a lot of stuff. He goes to see the Boobarama Triple Future. And Skinner is on his trail, right? I like that despite him being more savage in this episode than he was in the previous one, he is just as much of a square.
Starting point is 00:15:13 And it leads to one of my favorite lines ever. Why, there are no children here at the 4-H club either. Am I so out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong. I think that's rightfully the most enduring line from this episode. It's not my favorite, I found. I thought it would be. I love it.
Starting point is 00:15:32 It's definitely one of the best lines in the show of all time, I think. Well, and it sums up. It's why it's become a meme, because it sums up things so perfectly. You're just like, is it wrong that I don't know who this Disney star is, or that the kids didn't watch this remake of a thing I liked? No, it's a children's role. I always think of that when comedians get really cranky about how certain people don't think certain jokes are funny anymore. They make giant movies about it.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Just like, no, you're old now and you're out of touch. It happens to everybody. Welcome to the ride. I feel like if they would worship George Carlin, I bet George Carlin probably had a moment like, oh, that's not for me anymore. Why would I complain about this new TV show? It's not for me. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:16:11 I'm of two minds of it. Yes, it is a barometer and a constant reminder for content creators like myself that your audience is kind of never wrong. But also, yes, they are sometimes. Yes, they are. Because if you didn't appreciate Don Rickles in 2017 before we lost him, you were wrong. I appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:16:29 You were wrong. Not you. I'm saying the kids. The children are right. We're turning this into talking Minecraft starting next year, so look out for that. All about Undertale coming this fall. So the 4-H Club is still around, by the way.
Starting point is 00:16:40 No, it's not. According to Wikipedia. Holy shit. What are the 4-H's? Arts and writing. So the 4H club is a, it was a very wholesome club started
Starting point is 00:16:51 decades and decades ago to help craft children into better adults and to help them find themselves and just build character. It's like a free after school program? Kinda, yeah. And there's, there, according to Wikipedia, 6.5 million members in 2007. Wow.
Starting point is 00:17:09 And it's in 50 different countries. And the four H's of it, I was going to do the whole pledge, but it is like 30 words long. I don't read that. Let's skip it. The four H's are committed to head, heart, hands, and health. As in, you want to be smarter, you want to be more caring, you want to get hands-on at building things to help your community,
Starting point is 00:17:30 and you need to be healthier. And single out paraplegics. Problematic, I call it. What about decapitees? What about the amputees of the world? That's just sad. Or children with heart conditions. I'm so upset. So we get a kind of a gross scene
Starting point is 00:17:45 where Skinner tastes Bart's gum. And again, if there's a word I don't get, if there's a reference I need to look into, I always do it. When Skinner finds Bart's gum, he says a spore. He uses the word spore. And I had to look it up and go on like two pages of Google to find
Starting point is 00:18:01 what spore meant because I've seen this episode 50 times. I didn't know what spore was or maybe I misheard it. But not S-P-O-R-E? S-P-O-O-R. Okay. It's a track, a trail, a scent, or droppings. Holy shit. Especially of a wild animal. Whoa! So Skinner is tracking
Starting point is 00:18:18 Bart like an animal, like picking up his leavings. Holy shit. Yeah. Wow. I had no clue. Yes. I had no clue that was what it meant. It was a groundbreaking eye-opening for me. I didn't even know he said the word spore, but I always have the captioning on now when I watch these to make sure. I have a couple secret things I found, too, is that in the auction scene where Bart is
Starting point is 00:18:35 pranking the auction, one, there are two Franks listed on the wall of the auction names, and that two, sitting behind Bart next to the other guy who will run away, who is pranking the auction, is Joey Jojo Jr. Shabadoo. That guy gets around. Obviously they just dug a design out of their garbage. I'm sure he's all over the place. We need to look for him now. We have to do a Joey Jojo
Starting point is 00:18:57 watch in every episode. Joey Jojo! That could be the alarm if we find a Joey Jojo. I love being able to say this in 2017. I thought all the Skinner tracking jokes were Terminator 2. Me too. And I had not seen the Michael Crichton movie Westworld.
Starting point is 00:19:14 Same here. And I love being able to say that in 2017 because more people might get what that is now. We do have one more thing I want to explore, though, which I don't think anyone will get now. I don't even think they use this jingle or this tagline. I think the gum still exists, but Double Mint Gum. Like, you want to double your pleasure, Bart? You got a goddamn clip. Yeah, you want to double your pleasure, Bart?
Starting point is 00:19:32 I'll double your detention. It was a really good line. Yes. So this gum was invented in 1915. But the twin-based ad started in 1939. I thought this was invented in the 80s because we just watched Spaceballs live on Lazer Time. And there's an ad about the Doublemint twins. Chew your gum.
Starting point is 00:19:49 You know, he's hanging out with two hot twins. I never read that joke. It's a Doublemint line. It's a Doublemint line. So it was a standard twin reference for a long time. I mean, and the secret sexuality of these ads is like two girls at once, eh? Yeah. Chew that gum, buddy.
Starting point is 00:20:04 So here's one of the earlier ones from the 60s. Here's a tip you'll appreciate. It pays to have a smile that's bright to help you look and feel just right. Double your pleasure, double your fun with Double Good Double Good Double Mint Gum. I resent this, Bob, because I came to the table to get my favorite Double Mint commercial. I'm going to update this with a little 90s sass. That's the one we remember. This is like 91 probably, right?
Starting point is 00:20:33 Oh, yeah. That's two kinds of mints, folks. There we go. And there are sexy twins at the end, as there should be. You know, I'm not into those double mint was not my gum well maybe it was i well now we just talked about it on laser time when you guys came on for a show about the simpsons how the simpsons changed the world and we attributed uh bart and the simpsons to the longevity of butterfinger and since then
Starting point is 00:21:00 nestle has announced they're selling it because they don't give a fuck. Whoa, they're just selling off that bar? They're selling off, I think, their candy bars, yeah. Whoa, man. I was also thinking, you know, the Double Mint gum thing is built around sexuality, the advertising, and also of the cheap stick gum variety. Big Red is like, you're going to suck face longer with this shit. Cram it in your mouth.
Starting point is 00:21:20 You're right. I didn't think it was a thing that would be dated, but I watch kids' cartoons and there are not gum commercials anymore. Especially a commercial for a 25 cent... I feel like that was old lady gum. And big red and wrigglies.
Starting point is 00:21:35 I see that as in the 90s, stick-based gum just became boring and old. No, no, no. It's time to have atomic mints that destroy your mouth. That's the 90s. Be cool in the 90s. And now gum is still big no no it's time it's time to have atomic mints that destroy your mouth that's the 90s be cool and now gum is still big but it's like cups of gum with the candy outside of it it's not you're not unraveling gum and like in the old tylenol packets for some reason i like orbits in the biggest news gum related recently was that sean spicer guy eats gum every day. And he was told by his doctor
Starting point is 00:22:06 like, it's okay, you can eat gum. He's like, okay. It's an easy way to... It's the wear of his ticky head. It's an easy way to burn calories. Yeah, that's true. So, uh, Skinner is on Bart's trail, and this is all Westworld stuff. And like Chris, I thought it was T2. So did I, but I'd never seen Westworld. And it's great. And I love
Starting point is 00:22:22 if you haven't seen Westworld, and you've seen the show, check it out. Because they really fuck with... Like, having seen Westworld, and I love if you haven't seen Westworld, and you've seen the show, check it out, because they really fuck with, like, having seen Westworld and watching the first couple episodes of the show, they are really fucking with you. They want you to think you're getting a remake of the movie. I haven't seen the show. And not to spoil it, but Ed Harris is dressed up like the Yul Brynner
Starting point is 00:22:38 non-stop monster, and that's who Skinner is playing. Well, so if you haven't seen Westworld, it is Jurassic Park, written by Michael Crichton, and directed, wasn't he? Oh, you're right. I think maybe, yeah. Yeah, so Michael Crichton
Starting point is 00:22:49 was a filmmaker in Hollywood in the 70s, and he made a film, Westworld, about Disney World for adults, except now the rides are going to kill you. Well, they malfunctioned, and Yul Brynner is embodied by Yul Brynner, the T-Rex of the movie. Yul Brynner plays a robot of himself,
Starting point is 00:23:06 which is so, so great. Yeah, and Itchy. Yul Brynner plays a robot of himself, which is so great. Yeah, and Itchy and Scratchy Land in the next year's episodes. Totally. Jurassic Park meets Westworld. Yep, yes, yeah. Oh, and the movie contains the debut of a Pixar animation. There's a hand on the wall that's a 3D model, and that's Pixar's first public animation. But then Westworld is an amazing film that i minor spoilers for the movie westworld but what i love about it is once the robots malfunction and they're always supposed
Starting point is 00:23:31 to lose and they can't kill you yeah and then yul brenner says draw and then james brolin who is the handsome actor you who you figure well this is the star of the movie if anyone is he is shot and killed and then his friend is like, wait, no, you're not supposed to... Just him realizing what's wrong and then Yul Brynner again going, draw. So once it enters Endgame,
Starting point is 00:23:56 Skinner poses like the Yul Brynner robot who is slowly walking after the scared little mousy dude who is being chased. they do a great job of animating him as an intimidating robotic figure just him scaling the cliff with dead eyes just yes a graceful frankenstein and again after humanizing him so much in the last episode they dehumanize him entirely he's literally a robot now becomes a robot it's also i feel like
Starting point is 00:24:22 a little little flavor of terminator one style terminator is in there too especially when bart lee is leaving the ice cream shop and sees the person it reminds me more of when somebody turns and see this sees a terminator like oh shit i gotta run the one thing that annoyed me in this episode the one thing i didn't like and it will last it's less than a second but it's that when Bart turns the corner to run away from Skinner, he will end up at the bridge. But to connect those two, they pull out two scenes of Bart running just to get him that distance away.
Starting point is 00:24:57 They're like, well, wait, I can see how they did it. They're like, no, in this animation, he's in town, and then he's in the middle of nowhere the next second. You have to do something. So they take a shot of Bart running from dogs, from Dog of Deaths, in Burns' backyard, and then Bart running down a mountain from a boulder in Camp Krusty. That's funny. I didn't pick up on the Dog of Death animation. I definitely picked up on the Camp Krusty because it's so out of place.
Starting point is 00:25:20 Bart looks a little different, and he's not acting the right way. I mean, I remember the scene. The boulder is about to crush him yeah he's running from a boulder but that the the dog of death one is so brief or it might be from Thanksgiving it's one of the two times he runs okay it's it's less than a second they both want them to just be subliminal to tell you Bart got somewhere else and we couldn't animate a new thing but it's so distracting of seeing even season 3 animation or looks completely out of place in season 5. But before we find out Skinner is some sort of
Starting point is 00:25:51 non-giving up school guy, Homer and Bart run into each other. They're both playing hooky. Can't let Dad see me playing hooky. I can't let the boys see me skipping work. Good afternoon. How do you do, sir? Sucker. I think they just think they fooled each other when they fooled no one.
Starting point is 00:26:16 Yes. And then Homer, it's the only scene Homer has until halfway through the episode, but it's a very funny scene. He holds a comb in front of his nose. It's a mustache. How a very funny scene and he holds a comb in front of his nose as a mustache how do you do sir i do love that non-giving up school guy line oh my god he's like some sort of non-giving up school guy he's finally got bart and it's kind of a cheat but i do like how they at least frame it that the car, you notice the car, but not enough to know for sure
Starting point is 00:26:48 that that's how Bart's going to get away. But it's a good excuse to get Bart away from Skinner. And Skinner says, I can smell his fear. Yes. And then now I was shocked. I feel like they would definitely not do it here where Bart would just pull out a knife with no explanation. Like, oh, yeah, Bart's got a knife.
Starting point is 00:27:04 I was thinking of that. He won his anti-Donnie-don't badge. I had a pocket knife. I had a pocket knife and I had a fireman's clip. It's what you get in Boy Scouts when you're authorized to have a knife. I would have had one by this point. Yet another example of someone enjoying a knife on The Simpsons.
Starting point is 00:27:21 So we go straight from a Westworld parody into the Kennedy compound, or the Quimby compound, and we get to see rich assholes, and it's really well done, and that shows you too that all these jokes could work with the Trump family now, but it's just about entitled rich
Starting point is 00:27:37 families who control too much. They have a lot more charm. The Kennedys have a lot more charm. They were, but it's still just kind of tacky, new money people and it'll behave younger members of the family i i like that freddie quimby first says like i'm not paying you to talk which as a kid i did not understand that as an escort line and so then they end up at the quimby compound which is just a straight up parody of the kennedy compound which is located at 100 Marchant Avenue in Hyannisport, Massachusetts. And they've lived there for decades and decades.
Starting point is 00:28:11 It's the big family thing. Like, weddings happen there. With the dwindling number of Kennedys left, it's where they did stuff. It was the base of operations for John F. Kennedy when they would do stuff there. But the Quimby compound is today host to Freddie's, like, I forgot it was Freddie's 18th birthday. That's right, yeah, he's still really young.
Starting point is 00:28:30 So he's a real piece of shit. Here's how to know just how bad Freddie Quimby is. Give me the ball! People, the punch has been spiked! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! That's my nephew, displaying the Quimby wit that's won the public's heart.
Starting point is 00:28:49 Happy birthday, Freddy! And may all your disgraces be private. Ha ha, that's Quimby. So, I'm putting this out here now, Henry. Now that we have the Patreon going, I want to do every season a cut episode episode for Patreon. Oh, yes. Because I've been watching a lot of these in context of the actual episodes
Starting point is 00:29:06 because they're all on the fourth disc. It makes it much easier to watch. And there's more specific Kennedy stuff in this episode they cut. Oh, wow. In fact, Bart meets a version of Rosemary Kennedy, who was... You're obsessed with a goddamn Kennedy.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Yes, but she was like JFK's older sister, aging pretty badly in public, but still attending events. And when Bart meets her, she comes out in that Star Trek-like pod from the first episode of Star Trek. Yes, the Captain Pike's thing. Yes, wow. And Bart asks her a question, and she just answers him with
Starting point is 00:29:35 her mouth. There's no reason for her to be in that, but she comes out hovering in that thing. That is everything of a 60s child nostalgia right there. It really is, yeah. A Kennedy reference literally dressed up in a Star Trek reference. Well, I mean, you can't not be obsessed with the Kennedys. It's like
Starting point is 00:29:51 if you grew up then. This episode has references to Batman. They'll have all these references to Beatles. Beatles, Batman, Kennedys. That was all the 60s. I mean, Kennedys were sort of American royalty briefly. They were working their way towards that. I think that's the part they were cut down.
Starting point is 00:30:07 Yeah. Both of them. Yeah. Well, even in the 90s, before John John went away, which Bart Bart is a reference to John John that had to be explained to me. I did not get that at all. But the idea of a Kennedy of just saying, like, oh, it's a Kennedy, like, it still was like, wow. It had a lot of cachet. It's why it was a huge deal in an episode of Seinfeld of just getting with John John and that Jane Leaves would lose her virginity to John Kennedy.
Starting point is 00:30:37 Oh, right. The virgin episode of Seinfeld. I forgot about that. Yeah, so the Kennedys had a ton of cachet. And obviously, Quimby was always a Kennedy joke. Like, Mayor Quimby was always a Kennedy joke. At first, just his voice. But then they were like, we could do more with this. And they deepened it every time.
Starting point is 00:30:55 But this is the first time you've seen the family of Quimbys that are the Kennedy family. We have seen his wife before who is wearing the pillbox hat and everything. She is Jackie O. Yeah, but we even get to find wearing the pillbox hat. She is Jackie O. But we even get to find out The next episode is named after Jackie O. More coincidence coming your way. Well, I think that also is what complicates it too is that
Starting point is 00:31:15 they mix up the Kennedy references that the Bouvier family is, that is the name of, the maiden name of Jackie Onassis Kennedy. But Bart is so entranced in the Quimby family slash Kennedy family that he's even meeting the famous in-laws of the Kennedys. Hey, McBain, I'm a big fan, but your last movie really sucked. I know. There were script problems from day one.
Starting point is 00:31:41 Yeah, I'll say. Imagine kicking my ass, McBain. Maria, my mighty heart is breaking. I'll be in the Humvee. God, you really see Wiggum roast someone like that. Magic ticket my ass, McBain. But a really blurred line in the Rainier Wolfcastle.
Starting point is 00:31:58 So first off, they're not calling him Rainier Wolfcastle. They are calling him McBain, which they couldn't do McBain parodies anymore at this time. They were told not to. What a weird choice. But they were. Yeah, because the McBain movie.
Starting point is 00:32:10 The producers didn't want to do it, but they were told by Fox overhead, like, no, there is a movie called McBain coming out now, so you can't have McBain movie things. But we had them first. I think that this fictional Last Action Hero parody is a McBain movie in the Simpsons universe, and Wiggum is calling him by his character's name. Well, so, but that also means within the Simpsons universe, there is no Arnold Schwarzenegger, except there is because he becomes the Secretary of State. No, he becomes fucking President, sorry. So in this point, there is no Arnold Schwarzenegger in the Simpsons universe.
Starting point is 00:32:42 So then Raymier Wolfcastle starred in The Last Action Hero, which, in case you didn't know what the magic ticket refers to... I love this fucking movie. Here's the thing. I think like Waterworld, this became a really easy punching bag for the media to hit. And it's not as bad as people say it is, really. It's such a different time in media, and I know I'm fucking
Starting point is 00:33:00 being nostalgic, but where even bombs had resonance in the zeitgeist. This is a movie no one saw. I love this film. I think it was all shot in Freud because Schwarzenegger didn't have a flop before this, really. I mean, even fucking Jim Belushi movies he was in were doing well. I think around, like, before
Starting point is 00:33:15 Jim Carrey is rising up this year, him and Mel Gibson were the highest paid actors in Hollywood. Record paychecks. I remember all these newspapers couldn't stop breaking down how much he got paid for by the word in T2 because he says barely anything. I mean,
Starting point is 00:33:31 the work is his muscles. It's something they don't talk about with movie stars and they just see them on screen and you're like, you know they had to work out for six months to do this. I love Lashed Action Hero. It is the JCVD being John Malkovich of Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Starting point is 00:33:47 He plays this meta version of himself. Arnold Schwarzenegger is in the movie. It was released the previous summer, too, so they had plenty of time to make fun of it. But specifically a magic ticket. Jack Slater 4. But tonight, a magic ticket. It's a passport to another world.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Will get Danny closer to the action than anyone ever dreamed. This is really dumb. Holy cow, I'm in the movie! A little kid is warped into an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie and then Arnold is warped out. Yes, well, so first he lives... It is really funny as a meta film.
Starting point is 00:34:27 It's really cool. Taken by itself. What is... Ex-partner is Danny DeVito is a cartoon cat. Yes, but he just accepts it. And in that world, Stallone was Terminator.
Starting point is 00:34:37 Stallone is Arnold. And they go to... Like, that's what I just love in the movie, too, that he lives in a movie world so the kid just goes like, okay, all the phone numbers are five five five he's like oh there he goes he's like okay let's go to a blockbuster
Starting point is 00:34:50 in this world and see what movies are on shelves yeah it feels like this was written for roger ebert because he writes he used to write those books full of like things that only happen in movies and they were always really fun to read but i'll tell you why this movie was a bomb jurassic park opened june 11th this movie opens june 13th basically if you're not jurassic park fuck you in the summer of 93 you're doomed that movie spent a year in theaters people cannot cannot under emphasize how successful there was no avoiding jurassic park but it was also like people it came at a time i think when people wanted arnold to fail at something or also it turned into this inverse thing where they spent so much money on ads.
Starting point is 00:35:28 So very many. And I think when the mainstream audiences can tell you want it to be a hit, and it doesn't feel organic, then you go like, oh, then I'm not buying this. Which is different from, like, Jurassic Park obviously had tons of fucking marketing behind it. But it felt more natural than just like, oh, the last action hero toys are on shelves before the movie is out. But it was an anxiously awaited, based on a bestseller, from someone with, let's say, the best pedigree in all of film,
Starting point is 00:35:55 whereas this didn't have that cachet. It was just, Arnold can't fail. Let's make the silliest thing we can think of. Ultimately, this was not a flop in terms of profit uh budget 85 million kind of pricey for a movie in 93 but the box office returns 137 million so they could it could have made more money they probably thought it was going to be like a huge movie but it still didn't lose them money that go batman for arnold well that budget does not take into account the massive amounts of marketing they did i I mean, I'm sure the SNES game turned a tidy profit, right?
Starting point is 00:36:26 They literally launched an ad into space for this movie. Oh, really? They really did do that. I think this had to be in every video game magazine, every comic book. It's like, you're this kid. You're going to have fun with Arnie. I was wondering who was going to be the first to mention it. That's what I remember about it.
Starting point is 00:36:42 The film was also built to be like, is a pg-13 action film you can finally really market to kids instead of having like parent groups say terminator 2 shouldn't be marketed to kids it's a r-rated movie in other words not what arnold fans wanted no they want him to blow people's brains out though arnold was getting into pg-13 at this time anyway like he had the rule in t2 of like i don't kill cops like i don't i'm a good guy now and i don't murder people which is a stark contrast to terminator one where he murders everybody and my last thing about last action here i'll say is that my friend growing up his name was charlie i made friends with him after this movie came out but he for real 98 the same look as the kid in the movie. He looked
Starting point is 00:37:25 the same haircut and everything. It's a very popular 93 boys haircut. Consult My Girl 2 for more. Rainier Wolfcastle was there with a woman named Maria, obviously Maria Shriver, Arnold Schwarzenegger's former wife. No, they're still married. They're separated now. Are they?
Starting point is 00:37:41 He dipped his mop in the house mop bucket and that's a no-no and uh he has some illegitimate children right well as ridiculous as it seemed at the time and now seems all too normal arnold schwarzenegger became the governor of california and was the governor of california from 2003 to 2011 he would likely be our president now were it not for the constitution the premise of the simpsons movie is sort of like isn't it crazy that this guy is the president and yeah we don't say anything and honestly i've i've heard people argue like if he had gone against trump he would have destroyed trump he would have been like oh you're used to you're insulting all these others uh all these other politicians i am
Starting point is 00:38:18 also a celebrity and can insult you i can make fun of you and i'm educated yes yeah he he married maria she was the first lady of California for those eight years. She was the host of the Today Show? Well, so she is a journalist. She is the niece of John F. Kennedy. And that she was a journalist on the Today Show and Maria Shriver was her name. And that then she married Arnold in the 80s. They had been together for a very long time.
Starting point is 00:38:42 And it was just a thing of like if you saw her on the today show, you'd say, oh, that's Arnold's wife. And she was the first lady of California. They perhaps made the decision to not get separated while he was governor. But within months of him leaving the governor's mansion, they were separated. And it came out that he had illegitimate children who were like 16 in their teens who with the help with their domestic uh helpers and so just like and so they they are officially divorced she now lives in one of their old houses but like now that she needs like she's a fucking kennedy she doesn't need schwarzenegger's money like i i do like arnold more than most republicans but that does
Starting point is 00:39:20 feel like a strange power relationship you know just be like i could sleep with anyone in this house i'm arnold Arnold Schwarzenegger. Very House of Cards. Yeah. Don't cheat on my wife. So yeah, Maria, she's back in the news to a lesser extent. She still does it when she feels like doing it. But so she's referred to on the wiki as Maria Quimby,
Starting point is 00:39:38 but that wouldn't actually fit. Maria, her name should be different, like Shriver's. Well, she didn't become Maria Schwarzenegger. actually fit like maria her name should be different like shrivers yeah well well oh yeah become maria schwarzenegger she was always maria shriver whose father was a different name than kennedy so kennedy's sister's child yeah so then maria then she shouldn't be maria quimby i know this is really digging into the that's what you're paying for people but that maria quimby had been divorced from ramier wolf castle in the universe at one point in the episode in whatever season it was i where bart's dating the daughter of rainier
Starting point is 00:40:11 wolf castle and it is revealed that like he's splitting her time with her mother so they're divorced but then in the 2007 episode where homer becomes a paparazzi and he basically works for jay jonah jameson which i love right jay jk simmons plays the editor-in-chief of it that's great i forgot about that choice uh homer takes a photo of him with his wife with rainier and maria together so apparently they got back together in 2007 they she has not made an appearance since then we have talked for 17 minutes on this one joke but the last thing i want to say is that i think that joke is the writer saying that like in real life arnold schwarzenegger does not give a shit that you can make fun of him and he made a bad movie that failed so they go to the other extreme which is like my mighty heart is breaking yeah arnold schwarzenegger probably does not like
Starting point is 00:40:59 he probably didn't care he probably went to the next movie he was going to do. So we're at the end of what I think is the longest first act of a Simpsons episode. When it ended, I paused my DVD, and it was like half over. The episode was half over. It's like an 11-minute first act. It is over nine minutes long, yes. And I think it has to be the longest first act they ever did. But that's when Freddie Quimby finds something very funny and i just love how how good the animation is here of everyone else being just uncomfortable hey what the hell
Starting point is 00:41:32 is this it's a bowl of chowder sir wait a minute come here what did you call it say it loud enough so everyone can hear come on say it chowder Chowdell Chowdell Chowdell It's Chowdell Say it right Chowdell Come back here I'm not through demeaning you
Starting point is 00:42:00 He's so cruel and childish And that waiter's name we find out later Is Mr. Lacoste. And Lacoste is a famous brand of clothing, famous for the little alligator embroidery on it. And it was actually a French company that started making clothes for tennis. Yes. So it's a cheap French joke, in other words. It is.
Starting point is 00:42:19 It is. Well, he is a cheap French joke in general. Yeah, that's true. He's like, I am the French waiter. I am so hot. It's impressive, too, that Castellaneta can do two distinctively Quimby voices, but that are separate, too. Freddy's a little more nasal.
Starting point is 00:42:36 I'm not through demeaning you. Not through demeaning you. His voice is very similar to the JFK of Clone High, as well. They're pretty much the same dude, which I love. Clone High is one of my favorites. I hope that someday we do an episode about Clone High. It's a fun voice to do. Yes.
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Starting point is 00:45:26 of taking a surprise trip with my mom up to my Uncle Eric's place. And my strategy of not telling her I quit my job to not let her worry. Even though she subscribed to your podcast? Yes, look, I realized how stupid it was, okay? I was the coward. My mom was visiting and I didn't tell her.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Basically, I ran the idea by her. I was like, if I quit my job to do podcasting, what would you think? She says, I think you can make smart decisions and I trust you to do that. I was like, okay, I still won't tell you. You'll find out later when you're not here. My parents just don't ask me questions. They don't understand what writing about video games is.
Starting point is 00:46:02 They don't understand what podcasting is. They just understand I can make a living off of it somehow. I haven't asked my parents for money in years and I told them what it was and they've never asked again. My parents are still asking
Starting point is 00:46:13 the same two questions every time they call. How is your job going? And as long as I say okay and I don't need money, then they're fine. And what time is it over there? Oh my God, Dave.
Starting point is 00:46:22 I was thinking that exactly. Still three hours ahead. Whenever my mom calls me, I've been living here for six years. What time is it over there? Oh my god, Dave. I was thinking that exactly. Still three hours ahead. Whenever my mom calls me, I've been living here for six years. What time is it there? They're just so amazed by the time difference. It's great. Minus two. Three.
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Starting point is 00:47:12 The sound of him getting smashed around which we will later find out is him just falling around i wish it was exactly the same as the clip we'll see later but it's just to get more jokes in it later but to speed it up at first him putting his hand in the egg beater is not represented in the sound and the boiling water falling on his head is not represented in the sound. Okay, yeah, those still seem like new additions at the end. But what strikes me as funny is that in production season five, not season five, what aired? Production season five, there's no Sideshow Bob episode. This is the one mystery episode of the season. Like, what happened to the waiter? Only Bart knows.
Starting point is 00:47:42 And apparently Freddie Quimby didn't do it. I've seen this episode 50 times, so I know what happened every time I go back to it. But when you're watching it for the first time, you're like, what did happen if Freddie Quimby didn't beat him? It's a good trail to leave for you and to follow. And the giant Rice Krispie Square, that was pretty cool. That just seems so impractical. How do you serve that thing? Well, and that's such a cheap thing, too.
Starting point is 00:48:04 But it's just big. Like, what would a rich person have at normal people's parties except giant? Make sure it's huge. And I bet they changed the line in the ADR. But I love that Wiggum first notices the bite taken out of the Rice Krispie Square. And the waiters are brutally beaten. So right next to him is a guy wearing, it is not the face of Freddie Quimby, but he is wearing the same clothes. And he has a drink in his hand, which is what Freddie Quimby left to do.
Starting point is 00:48:32 Do you think that that person was supposed to be Freddie Quimby there? So if you went back and watched it, you see Freddie Quimby enter the room, thus giving him an alibi that you wouldn't notice at first. You know what? Maybe. I can't tell what the intention was on that. They don't mention it in the commentary. You know, we don't see Freddy again in the Quimby estate after that happens.
Starting point is 00:48:53 But it just looks like off-model of the Freddy they'd shown to that point. It could be just a related Quimby. I assume that Freddy storms off with the bottle. I'm going to enjoy this! And then he walks off. He wouldn't even pour it into a glass, actually. He was just drinking it straight out. He was. Which, by the way, he's breaking the law. He's 18. He's rich. He'm going to enjoy this. And then he walks off. He wouldn't even pour it into a glass, actually. He was just drinking it straight out.
Starting point is 00:49:05 He was. Which, by the way, he's breaking the law. He's 18. He's rich. He can get away with it. As Marge would say when she finds out the news. It says Freddie Quimby beat a waiter half to death. Those Quimby children are so wild and rich. I hope he finally gets
Starting point is 00:49:22 what's coming to him. But Freddie Quimby's innocent. How do you know? There weren't any witnesses. Oh, yeah, right. You'd think someone would have seen something at a crowded party like that. Well, they didn't, okay? They didn't. It says right here in black and white, no witnesses.
Starting point is 00:49:37 Case closed. Let's all read the funnies. Oh, look. Charlie Brown said good grief. I didn't see that coming glad in hindsight i thought that was them uh taking peanuts down a peg but it is it is not no i guess not i mean it is it's more a joke on the repetitiveness of cartoon comic strips they had a thing for making fun of lame comic strips i would assume they had more respect for peanuts but this does feel like that is a very Peanuts thing that would happen.
Starting point is 00:50:05 The saying of good grief. I just assume Bart wasn't actually reading it. He was remarking upon something very unremarkable, like, oh, look, Garfield said I hate Mondays again. Isn't that great? Garfield would work better there than Charlie Brown, but it's not exact same joke construction as the Homer, oh, handicap, you life-beating drunk,
Starting point is 00:50:24 or that he just sees marmaduke is the funniest thing in the world it's not like morgan md yes you've got the cure for my daily blues i love the headline too that is chowder said wrong chowder said wrong though the actually this was the first time i noticed this kind of inconsistency. Uh-oh. So they, Wiggum arrests Freddie Quimby right there. Like, based on the photo, they arrested him at the event. But if they did that, like, that seems crazy to me, that the mayor would invite the easily bribable Wiggum to his party and then let him just arrest the guest of honor?
Starting point is 00:51:04 He would have just sold him like you're not arresting anybody i mean i think wiggum saw his one he was he was so full of uh just hubris and confidence after telling off uh mcbain so he saw his one chance to like i could bust a quimby no that's true but it's interesting how they introduced the fact that bart knows he didn't do it with that line there that just like no he's innocent and it's a nice like slow burn until he can finally admit to lisa that he knows what really happened and that it's i think it's kind of cute that he can befriend lisa in this and he brings her into the car i do like when they work together you're a witness but you have to tell the police i can't why bart simpson i know
Starting point is 00:51:44 you cut school yesterday. And as soon as I can prove it, I'm shipping you off to the Christian Military Reform School. What he said. Oh, I see. If you testify, Skinner will know you skipped school. Well, if Freddy Quimby didn't do it, I'm sure he'll be found innocent by a fair and impartial jury.
Starting point is 00:52:04 Oh, jury duty. I'll see that Quimby kid hang for this. That was a great, very great mercenary touch. Just like, why would they be there? As a kid, the idea of a Christian military reform school just sounded terrifying to me. It's a great joke because it's all the three kinds of schools children were threatened with to be sent to. Like Samantha from Bart's Friend Falls in Love was sent to a Christian school.
Starting point is 00:52:31 But you also hear, you're going to go to military school or you're going to go to reform school. This is Christian military reform school. All the three worst descriptors for school. I went to Catholic school. Don't comment. And then that Skinner is just so petty and mean this entire thing.
Starting point is 00:52:45 He's like, no, you missed one day of school. I will destroy you, Bart. I forgot everything I learned in the last episode, Bart. Yes. I mean, he's sticking to his guns. He said they'd have to be enemies again, and he meant it. Old Donald Duck cartoons led me to believe there were truant officers, people whose job it was to bus kids skipping school.
Starting point is 00:53:02 Truant, truant, they'll say. Clearly the government cut back on those truant officers. The opening mail, I missed that joke a thousand times. And then immediately the next one, I love, I'd never noticed before now. Let's go over to the county courthouse live to Kent Brockman. Brockman, just outside the county courtroom where an argument about chowder has spilled over into the biggest trial in Springfield history. Behind these doors, a federal judge
Starting point is 00:53:27 will ladle out steaming bowls of rich creamy justice in a case the media have dubbed Beat Up Waiter. This reporter suggested Waitergate, but was shouted down at the press club. Now it's illegal to televise court proceedings in this state, so we'll have to be quiet.
Starting point is 00:53:44 No! All that is so great, but my favorite is just the delay in the live feed. Achman! Yeah, so Waitergate is a really great term, and I'm also mad with Kent. They didn't use it. Beat up waiter.
Starting point is 00:53:57 That joke feels like a joke on joke writing. Yes. The pettiness of a writer in the Simpsons writer's room, per se, who's like, my joke was better. You used beat-up waiter. That's not as funny as waiter gate. Waiter gate's great. Like, you can hear it in the commentary sometime where I think it's,
Starting point is 00:54:15 it was somebody complaining that David X. Cohen thought up of imbigant or cromulent, and he's like, no, imbigant's better. You stole my thunder with cromulent. I'm glad they used both. Yeah, they're both great, but that, and yes, the very live feeling of like, Ackman here. That's actually a reference to an old bit by the comedians Bob and Ray. Oh!
Starting point is 00:54:35 And it's Bob Elliot playing Wally Ballou, a reporter, and every time they cut to him, he's delayed by a second, so it's like, Ballou here, with blah blah blah. So this is Jane Curtin introducing him, he's delayed by a second. So it's like, Baloo here with blah, blah, blah. So this is Jane Curtin introducing him. This is from a Lorne Michaels-produced video with Gilda Radner and Jane Curtin and a few other people and Bob and Ray for some reason.
Starting point is 00:54:53 They're in their 70s here. And Bob Elliott only makes boxes. I mean, the voice of the Box Factory guy is Bob Elliott. Since this is a live broadcast, the Finley News team is able to bring you up-to-the-minute, fast-breaking stories. Our crack correspondent, Wally Ballew, winner of 13 Diction Awards, two of which were couplings, was in Times Square today and had this report. So come in, please, Wally Ballew. Lee Ballew here at Times Square for a fast-breaking news story that may take...
Starting point is 00:55:24 I love Bob Elliott's voice. It's Chris Elliott's dad, you might know from Get a Life. Yeah, who worked with them, who worked with David Merkin quite a lot. And he just passed away. He really just passed away. Part of the legacy of Elliott comedians, there's Bob Elliott, his son Chris Elliott, and Chris Elliott's daughter Abby Elliott. And did you like the brief return of Scott Christian? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:47 That could have been anybody throwing to Brockman, but it was Scott Christian, which that was a season one runner, which, hey, listen to it on the Patreon if you haven't yet. But it was a season one runner that you would never see Kent Brockman. It would be the evening news with Kent Brockman, then Scott Christian filling in for Kent Brockman. So they kind of follow that with just like he's not if kent is not there scott christian fills in that's right and i like that he is back but and the brockman he recognizes that you can't film in courtrooms but he's like so we're just gonna cheat so it is crazy that this episode is airing around when we will get the OJ Simpson trial. Not yet. Not yet.
Starting point is 00:56:29 We're still like a month and a half away or a month away, actually. Nicole Simpson is still enjoying life at this point, but that we're about to have it. But this feels like a Simpson parody, a Simpson trial parody. I mean, the Menendez trial was pretty much warm-up for the media for the OJ trial. Yeah, and another one they'll mention in this episode, actually. This next scene is the You Can Read My Thoughts scene. What I love about it, God bless the director, Jeffrey Lynch, who is great. This scene requires them to hold on a still image for a long time. And this is the funniest Skinner has been drawn and the funniest Homerer has been drawn just these still images are just so great so much
Starting point is 00:57:08 emotion packed into their faces i know you can read my thoughts part just a little reminder if i find out you cut class your ass is mine yes you heard me i think words I would never say. I know you can read my thoughts, boy. Meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow. Bart is showing off his shinning, and we hear Matt Groening as the courtroom artist sketching away. So, this is the Homer singing the
Starting point is 00:57:39 Meow Mix commercial jingle, and this has been around since the 70s. Oh, it's my favorite thing, and I never really saw the commercial, but in the movie that I loved as a child, Hot to Trot, that's shown like twice, I would laugh every time. And I think Mike Myers sings it as Dr. Evil to Mr. Bigglesworth.
Starting point is 00:57:56 That's right! So I looked up online, there's like a 15-minute compilation of all of the Meow Mix commercials to date. I chose the Close Encounters of the Third Kind parody, where the cat is of the Meow Mix commercials to date. I chose the Close Encounters of the Third Kind parody, where the cat is singing the Meow Mix jingle to the spaceship that's repeating it back. And if you know
Starting point is 00:58:12 Close Encounters of the Third Kind, right? If you know the movie, you'll get the parody, but it soon goes to the Meow Mix jingle you know and love. Wow! Let it go. Wow. Let it go. Ha! Only Meow Mix brand cat food has the three flavors cats love best.
Starting point is 00:58:47 And tastes so good, it's become a universal favorite. That is the greatest thing I've ever seen in my whole life. I know you love it, Chris. So the spaceship from Close Encounters looks like a 60s Christmas ornament. It floats down and has the Meow Mix jingle lyrics running across it as the cat meows to it. It's a great name for cat food. Meow Mix is good. Very alliterative.
Starting point is 00:59:06 It's almost a little cheap to just be like and then homer sings a jingle like what's the last thing you think he'd be thinking but just that meow mix jingle is so funny to hear the way castlenetta does it yeah that what was really hard with getting clips for this whole episode is just that it's like the last four clips were with we're all just in the same minute. I didn't cut anything from it. This is all solid gold, this whole courtroom stuff. The second act is so goddamn strong. This was the first time I never got it as a kid. The way he says, I would think the words I would never say,
Starting point is 00:59:36 I now finally click like, oh, Skinner would never say ass out loud. He wouldn't swear, but he's thinking ass. He kind of breaks it i feel like i could find a season eight episode pretty easily i'm sure he does yes where he swears but it's the it's a thing that a any principal in a school would do just like well i can't swear at school the children think of the children yeah and that was mac reigning they just to make it extra obvious he signs it mac reigning in the mac reigning stamp that is on everything he does not draw of the simpsons back when his hair wasn't gray yeah yeah brown haired mac reigning and it's probably late 30s at this point or maybe he's 40
Starting point is 01:00:13 so isn't it weird that lawyer's voice is blue haired lawyer but it's not blue haired lawyer if anybody in the comments knows like if this is based on a specific lawyer from a specific court case that they're they're referencing or maybe they just wanted to shake things up like yeah it can't be blue-haired lawyer at this point is he exclusively burns on entertainer because we've seen him before he's the lawyer for any anti-simpsons cause like anything the good guys are going up against he will be the lawyer against it yeah he's even been like for the government prosecutor sometimes i felt like so and i guess to see how little money the french waiter has he uh he has a much worse did we just see lionel hutz in the last episode yes okay no not the last episode burns his hair he was we're
Starting point is 01:00:58 really using him lightly but it you know 40 seconds of phil hartman goes a long way in an episode. That waiter, Mr. LaCourse, not only wasn't born in Springfield, he wasn't even born in this country. I'll run the phones. From now on, you tell me everything. The one that everybody is shocked that this French waiter wasn't born in America and that they could use. But it's a great parody of how lawyers use people's natural prejudices to win cases, except it's funny when used against a cartoon Clouseau-esque waiter.
Starting point is 01:01:36 He is a great lawyer in that respect. Moe would definitely take a bribe, but I don't know why they would want Moe as their character witness. Like, there's a million people that they could get. So why is Wiggum bribing Moe if Wiggum is the one who arrested Freddie Quimby? It's very weird. Well, that would then seem to imply that Wiggum was pushed to arrest Freddie and he wouldn't have wanted to. Or maybe he's changed his mind and in some smoky backroom meeting with Joe Quimby, he's been convinced to do it.
Starting point is 01:02:06 That relationship is over between them, and I love that. That's true. This episode could have really used a scene between Quigam and Wimby talking about what they're going to do in this. But one other thing, it's funny that Quimby gives Moe this bribe. Oh, my laundry is here, whatever. In the episode Home for the Vigilante, Wiggum was given a bribe by Quimby at a bad time. Here's your monthly kickback.
Starting point is 01:02:29 He couldn't have picked a worse time. It's just funny that he sort of didn't learn anything from that situation. Well, and not only is the blue-haired lawyer not there, but Judge Snyder, as is rare, is not there either. It's an unnamed woman. He needed a chick on the bench, Henry. It's only for that joke.
Starting point is 01:02:46 It's the only reason it's not Snyder is for the chicks on the bench joke, which is a pretty great joke. And the next joke, yes, so this required a lot of research, and even I'm not sure if I did enough, but I was doing it for like maybe 40 minutes, and there's a lot to digest,
Starting point is 01:03:00 and no easy answer, so here's the joke. You see, Lisa, they don't need my testimony. Only because Mayor Quimby's buying his nephew's freedom. The system works. Just ask Klaus von Bulow. Okie doke. So Klaus von Bulow.
Starting point is 01:03:14 It was a very, very infamous and popular case in the 80s. He is a British socialite. He's still alive and I think he's in his late 80s. Or his 90s. Okay. So Klaus von Bulow, British socialite. He's still alive. I think he's in his late 80s. Or his 90s. Okay. So, class 1 Vulo, British socialite. He was tried with the attempted murder of his wife on two consecutive occasions over two consecutive years. So, 1979 to 1980, he was accused of attempted murder on his wife.
Starting point is 01:03:36 Honestly, is there a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry? So, he was sentenced to 30 years. He appealed the decision. And here's the kicker. His legal team is... Wow, this is a great story. His legal team, Alan Dershowitz, of course, who would later go on to be the defense for O.J. Simpson. And that great innocent man. And two Harvard Law School students helped out.
Starting point is 01:03:57 Two people who are very famous today. A guy named Jim Cramer, the mad money guy. The guy who was on TV. I'm not sure if he still is, but his thing was to like, he was sort of the morning zoo DJ, but with stocks. Right before the economic collapse, he got a lot of dumb people to invest in
Starting point is 01:04:14 dumb shit, and he was always wrong. And the other guy was Elliot Spitzer. What? Who was mostly known as the first Republican to try to eat his own face after a sex scandal. And of course, I'm making a joke to eat his own face after a sex scandal. Wow. And, of course, I'm making a joke because if you're caught in a sex scandal.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Stop being political. If you're caught in a sex scandal and you're photographed or your press conference is filmed, you are trying to chew your own face off. You're biting your lip like, I gotta keep pulling my lip into my face. You're clenching your entire jaw. Wow. I completely forgot about Eliot Spitzer because Wiener overshadows him so much now, too.
Starting point is 01:04:47 Anthony Wiener is the superstar of those things now. But so, both those guys help Klaus von Bulow in his appeal, and they win! He's a free man, right? And I can't get what the joke is. Is it like money buys freedom? That's what I don't understand. So, there was a
Starting point is 01:05:03 1990 movie called Reversal of Fortune starring Jeremy Zirin, we all know the famous actor, playing Klaus von Bulow. And when I was reading about this, I couldn't, this is such a complicated case. It wasn't like he's always obviously guilty or always obviously innocent. It's just like there's so much we don't know and so much that came out after the fact that it's hard to say. And I'm not sure what this joke is about, but we can play the clip of the trailer for reversal of fortune with jeremy's iron yeah because the the trial if you just read it at a wiki glance it's like well the second trial had a ton of it was about a woman being shot up by too much insulin did the husband do it yeah and there's a like three dozen more details that come to light it's like the second trial and i can't
Starting point is 01:05:41 say whether or not it's bullshit yeah it's like oh then they found 30 aspirin in her digestive system and stuff like that so yeah here is uh that's going to pick up in the second trial and I can't say whether or not it's bullshit. Yeah, it's like, oh, then they found 30 aspirin in her digestive system and stuff like that. So yeah, here is a, it's going to pick up in the middle of the trailer with him talking to the legal team and stuff.
Starting point is 01:05:51 Until his own family accused him of trying to kill her. Now, a world-renowned Harvard lawyer. I should tell you that I have the greatest respect
Starting point is 01:06:00 for the intelligence and integrity of the Jewish people. I'm not a hired gun. It's the Dersh. I got to feel there's some moral or constitutional issue at stake. But I'm absolutely innocent. And a team of law students.
Starting point is 01:06:13 We have to completely obliterate every single aspect of the state's case. Are the only ones who believe in him. Klaus is a scapegoat. He's obviously guilty of something pretty despicable. Insulin. Because almost everyone else believes My lady's not diabetic. that anyone with so much
Starting point is 01:06:34 to gain. You do have one thing in your favor. Everybody hates you. Well, that's a start. Yeah, so I mean... Ron Silver as Alan Dershowitz. I think a lot of people believe that he did it, and some people think he didn't do it, and it's just so complicated.
Starting point is 01:06:50 Well, and it's like two rich families battling, because his wife was from a separate rich family. Like, he's... Klaus von Bulow, guess what? He's a very rich man as well, so they're both... It seems like a very weird tango, which, of course, is what tabloids are gonna love
Starting point is 01:07:05 yeah kind of fight and i think ultimately the joke is he bought justice but only the rich can you know buy the justice they need because a poor person would not be able to assemble that defense team like fucking alan dershowitz yeah to save his ass from prison i'd heard that argument about the oj case most court cases court cases could be torn apart in that same level if you had millions and millions of dollars to spend on lawyers that could do that. But you probably don't.
Starting point is 01:07:34 Speaking of smart moves by lawyers, Idol Huts honestly makes a very good move of hiring Hibbert as an expert witness. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to prove to you not only that Freddy Quimby is guilty, but that he is also innocent of not being guilty. I refer you to my expert witness, Dr. Hibbert. Well, only one in two million people has what we call the evil gene.
Starting point is 01:07:59 Hitler had it. Walt Disney had it. And Freddy Quimby has it. Thank you, Dr. Hibbert. I rest my case. Walt Disney had it. And Freddy Quimby had it. Thank you, Dr. Hibbert. I rest my case. You rest your case? What? Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:08:12 I thought that was just a figure of speech. Case closed. One of many Simpsons jokes associating Hitler with Walt Disney. Yes, yeah. Merkin. I think it's Merkin. That evil gene joke, that makes me think of in the early 90s, a big thing was like finding the gay gene. Like, can we find the gene that makes people gay?
Starting point is 01:08:35 I couldn't wrap my head around the Klaus Van Buelow case. Other than Bart needed to say that so you'd understand why there was a doctor on the stand. Because that's essentially who got him exonerated. That might have made expert doctors famous. Yeah, doctor testimonies. Which, as in a few months from this episode airing, O.J. Simpson will make DNA the most important thing. Because it was not, especially in the late 70s. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:57 Apu is very conscious, is on the jury, of revealing that Homer has just been asleep. Wait, who's minding the quickie mark? Well, so how is Apu is on the jury, which, hey, another continuity error, is that Apu is not a legal citizen. And in fact, when he becomes a legal citizen in the Proposition 24 episode,
Starting point is 01:09:19 he is given jury duty notice and throws it away. That's true. Oh, wow, Henry. Good pull, good pull. All right, so see another another fireable blunder on the show but the homer's glasses are just such a great it's such a great show here's uh multiple things in this episode remind me of how many hours and hours of law and order i've watched that i've just like oh a lawyer shouldn't do that and i think probably
Starting point is 01:09:41 this one thing is you don't put your client on the stand unless you are totally sure of them. That's for sure. And I guess that is the hubris of not blue-haired lawyer because he thinks that Freddie will definitely win them the case by going on the stand. Well, therefore, you certainly would never lose your temper over something as trivial as the pronunciation of chowder. That's chowder! Chowder!
Starting point is 01:10:03 I'll kill you! I'll kill all of you! Especially those of you in the jury! Are they guilty? Wow, that didn't go well. He's sounding a bit like Krusty in the screaming, but it's like, let's all bask in his gentle decency. He's so right, and then he specifically says the people in the jury,
Starting point is 01:10:22 that he'll kill the jury. Especially those of you. And that they're all ready to call it the people in the jury that he'll kill the jury especially those of you and that they're they're already to call it the end of the day and that jasper just wants to get home to watch the dolphins and sea quests meet the dog from frazier everybody knows that he's gonna ride darwin yeah so sea quest was a total fiasco of a show it was steven sp Spielberg makes a sci-fi TV series, a Star Trek for the 90s. And that unfortunately, though, that Star Trek for the 90s was very expensive
Starting point is 01:10:51 and constantly interfered with by NBC. It started off as a big hit, and then it got shifted around on time slots and did so terribly that... Yeah, I watched it. And budget slashed, I believe. And budget hugely slashed, and well, because it was the crazy price of 1.5 million an episode which in the early 90s was a lot of for a tv show and that roy scheider from jaws was the was the captain of the ship and halfway through the second
Starting point is 01:11:16 season he's like just kill me i'm out of here they kill him off and he leaves darwin ate him and so yes darwin was the talking smart dolphin which which sounded like this anything yet he wants to swim i guess bart imagines himself as a lunch lady i also like that thing that's the one dark future of bart's he doesn't think is cool yes finally and uh then the woman being the judge finally pays off and chicks on the bench where bart still isn't ready to confess to what he knows then we get to the third section which homer is the absolute star of the oh yeah he's got my favorite lines it's all about homer and skinner like skinner is all over the place in this episode he He's in every part of it. Homer and Skinner are a very underrated duo
Starting point is 01:12:07 as this scene will show, which I think this... Can we call this the line of the show? I think... Let's hold our tongues. Okay, fine. What does sequestered mean? If the jury is deadlocked, they're put up in a hotel together so they can't communicate with the outside world. What does deadlocked mean?
Starting point is 01:12:23 It's when the jury can't agree on a verdict. Uh-huh. And if? A conjunction meaning in the event that or unconditioned that. So if we don't all vote the same way, we'll be deadlocked and have to be sequestered in the Springfield Palace Hotel. That's not going to happen, Homer. Let's vote.
Starting point is 01:12:46 My liver is failing. Where we'll get a free room, free food, free swimming pool, free HBO, free Willie. Justice is not a frivolous thing, Simpson. It has little, if anything, to do with a disobedient whale. Now let's vote. How are the rest of you voting?
Starting point is 01:12:59 Guilty. Okay, fine. How many S's in innocent? I'm only doing what I think is right. believe freddie quimby should walk out of here a free hotel oh so many like that scene yeah yeah yeah i just also just like and if and he explains the conjunction of and if but yeah deadlocked i know i've done that a million times of like talking people through things of like, okay, so this word means this. And just like the way Homer theatrically presents those words, like, ew. And another great Skinner character moment.
Starting point is 01:13:37 He views Free Willy as being about a disobedient whale. Yes, that's true. That whale should be back in its cage. So, well, yeah, Free Willy, you want to Yes, that's true. That whale should be back in its cage. So, well, yeah, Free Willy, you want to talk about that? Oh, sure. I mean, I guess,
Starting point is 01:13:49 should we wait until we get the parody of Free Willy? Oh, okay, yes, yeah. That we don't really see the grizzly part. Well, so then there would be, speaking of parodies, there was almost a parody
Starting point is 01:13:56 and Homer straight up denies the parody of being allowed to happen. You know, we're kind of like the original Odd Couple. You're the messy one and i'm shut up oh that's very well oh my gosh very well well okay okay this is this is part of a brief season
Starting point is 01:14:12 five running series of jokes where homer ends the scene with him yelling shut up yes he's on the phone with nasa and then they ask him a question he says shut up they ask him how he got that number shut up as in denying an explanation to an obvious question yeah and uh then he's in mo's bar with stampy and mo's like you're taking advantage of my peanut offer shut up and there's the third shut up so it's like it's like a running joke throughout the season it is a beautiful joke i guess you can only do in cartoons is that that skinner is dressed like uh oscar from the odd couple he's picking up the uh the cigar with the umbrella.
Starting point is 01:14:45 He looks at the cigar and you're bracing yourself for it. And to say shut up and just shit all over the joke is really wonderful. You're just ready for the music to start up and there to be a full-on parody of the opening. And then Homer's just like, shut up! I'm saying that obviously because I hadn't seen The Fucking Odd Couple. I don't even know how I know what the intro looks like now. But yeah, what a great fucking gag. But then they do see the Free Willy director's cut.
Starting point is 01:15:06 And I do like the brief appearance of Nancy Cartwright as a not-in-bart character. He crushed our boy! Yeah, that Free Willy parody is weird. It feels like... It feels a bit like a critic. I thought it was a critic joke, and I triple-checked. I was like, was that joke also in the critic? And no, I just put it in there in my brain as a critic joke.
Starting point is 01:15:24 And I think the Mad or Cracked magazine parody that had a cover, it was Feed Willie, and it was Willie jumping over the rock and biting the boy. That's good. But Free Willie was a real flash in the pan, but it was big when we were kids. It's got three sequels. It had an exclusive Michael Jackson soundtrack. Big Michael Jackson song. If you ask Michael Jackson to write a song for a boy, he will do it.
Starting point is 01:15:48 I would posit it's the most money Michael Madsen has ever made. Because he's been in more than one of these. I thought Elijah Wood was in this, but that's Flipper, right? That's the Flipper movie. Multiple films, including Flipper. I remember when they made that Flipper film, it felt like they thought, Free Willy's eating our lunch. We invented the sea mammal helping a kid thing.
Starting point is 01:16:09 Theirs is just bigger. I spent a lot of dark afternoons watching Flipper on Nickelodeon in that time when they had no original programming. Yeah, but you're just like, well, this is still for kids unlike everything else on TV right now. Yeah, it was, and I prefer Flipper to Lassie. I'd watch a Flipper. At least it was in color. It would be in color, yeah. I mean, we could play a bit of the trailer.
Starting point is 01:16:26 It's about a whale that doesn't want to be in a zoo anymore, I guess, or a holding pen. I don't know. Imagine if the world you lived in, the space you breathed in, and the freedom you played in was suddenly taken away. Imagine if the only person who knew how you felt
Starting point is 01:16:59 was a boy who felt it too. You really like him, huh? I don't want to imagine that. This is so funny. This is 1993. You can still have a guy saying, in a world where, imagine.
Starting point is 01:17:12 And this was, it kind of capitalized off the anti-whaling boom of the 80s and 90s as well. It's important to mention. Now who cares? It's not, it's not who cares.
Starting point is 01:17:22 Like, they're about, like, isn't SeaWorld kicking out? It's orcas as we speak? SeaWorld's in big trouble. SeaWorld's swirling the drain. Yeah, but they're getting rid of their orcas. Yeah. Well, and South Park had that perfect episode about it,
Starting point is 01:17:34 which most people remember for the poker face cover, but the one about stopping the Japanese from fishing whales and that it ends with the Japanese only killing cows and chickens in the same way and then they're just like, okay, see, it's fine now. It's normal. I just, as a little kid,
Starting point is 01:17:51 this and Star Trek Voyage Home led me to believe that whales were the biggest problem we had as a species. Yep, we gotta unite for that. Gotta save those whales. So I want to spotlight, this is a season five superstar
Starting point is 01:18:03 that he went from being... How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner, and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You see, our new net zero hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels, and much more. Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, your home cozier, and your world brighter. Find our net zero hub at electricireland.ie. In the Brad Goodman episode, it is really just a stitched together ADR line about a character on a cop TV show.
Starting point is 01:18:42 Yeah. That now gets fully animated for one of the most hyper-dense jokes they've ever done. It's great. Henry and Bart's inner child, the show ends with Homer yelling about McGarnagall, but we never see McGarnagall. That ending was all created in editing,
Starting point is 01:18:59 not with any animation. It was all stitched together stuff, but we actually see McGarnagall now, and I think they're using him because they can't use McBain. They can't do mcbain parodies so this is more of a dirty hairy yeah guy but a tv show dirty hairy too so but i i love mcgarnigal his chief is mcbain's chief it's the same yeah which i guess they hired the same actor in in world i mean next on mcgarnigal mcgarnigal is framed for a crime he didn't commit. And only one witness can clear
Starting point is 01:19:25 his name. A little sissy boy who's too scared to come forward. You gotta tell him what you saw, Billy. But I'm so scared, McGonagall. You gotta do this one for me, Billy. McGonagall. Okay. For you,
Starting point is 01:19:41 McGonagall. Well, McGonagall, Billy is dead. He slit his throat midway. Hey, I'm trying to eat lunch here. Billy is dead. So in 30 seconds they say McGonagall six times there. McGonagall was invented by George Meyer as a funny name. McGonagall.
Starting point is 01:20:02 You know, maybe it's just because I watched Look Well recently, but it reminds me of the naming convention running gag they had in the Look Well pilot of, oh, yeah, you were Bannigan. No, that was George Kennedy. You were, oh, you were Maddox. No, McGonagall sounds like a 70s cop show name. It really does. The overly complicated name.
Starting point is 01:20:23 And they just drop it in the episode like oh a child is murdered on the show they just nobody really doesn't care he gave a child bad advice yes it was inconveniencing his lunch hour and it worked like an itchy and scratchy cartoon that could have scared bart but instead it's a mcgarnagel episode that does it and then speaking of dark things this story marge tells it means a lot to her character background. This is like the Charles Starkweather case we talked about in Homer Loves Flanders, except it's a member of their family who went on a spree killing. Seemingly Marge's brother, yes. Mom, what if there's a really bad crummy guy who's going to jail but I know he's innocent?
Starting point is 01:21:03 Well, Bart, your Uncle Arthur used to have a saying. Shoot them all and let God sort them out. Unfortunately, one day he put his theory into practice. It took 75 federal marshals to bring him down. Now let's never speak of him again. Mom. Mom. Mom.
Starting point is 01:21:23 What if I can get this guy off the hook? Should I do it? Mom? Mom! What if I can get this guy off the hook? Should I do it? You should listen to your heart and not the voices in your head, like a certain uncle did one gray December morn. Oh, so dark. Yeah, Marge really paints a picture, a gray December morn. And I guess we never hear about uncle arthur after this as she said never speak of him again march was he bewitched or something yeah that is not going
Starting point is 01:21:50 there but that he is buried she has buried it that deep and it makes you wonder like so is the uncle arthur is she calling him uncle arthur because that was her uncle and would actually be bart's great uncle arthur or is that brother? Is there an unspoken of brother of Marge's who did those things? The lost Bouvier, yeah, I don't know. I know, but it is a horrifying joke, but they give it to Marge. I like when they find new things to do with Marge that isn't just, what are you guys doing in there? What are you doing?
Starting point is 01:22:20 She's good at repressing her emotions. Also, I feel like she actually fears that Bart will inherit this madness. And that's why she's like, don't listen to the voices in your head, Bart. Oh, my God. That's right. She's worried that this question from Bart is just like, well, wait, you're not developing this psychological issue, too, are you? Bart makes his decision. It's a very flimsy but funny excuse that the judge gives of, like, why this unconstitutional thing is happening.
Starting point is 01:22:45 But at least from what I've learned on Law & Order, having a member of the jury's son be the major witness in a case would be a mistrial immediately. Oh, yeah. They'd be like, oh, this surprise witness is related to a jury member. I think you mean a bad court thingy. A bad court thingy. But Bart finally reveals that it was actually the waiter falling down. Lacoste fell down in a Clouseau-esque fashion. The animation, I didn't get the clip for it, but the animation of him tripping on the chair is so great.
Starting point is 01:23:12 The way you feel the physicalness of the chair rolling around in his feet. I love when he falls into the oven. It's a great animation. And the boiling water pouring on him. He should be disfigured. I know. And then the tower of wine glasses falling on him. He should be disfigured. I know. And then the tower of wine glasses falling on him. It's all perfect.
Starting point is 01:23:28 And that he refuses that ugly stereotype, but he is the ugly stereotype. He was so embarrassed by his own clumsiness, he sued another man to cover it up. He wouldn't admit it, yes. That confession comes at a cost. How could you have seen all this, Bart? Weren't you supposed to be in
Starting point is 01:23:44 school? I sort of skipped school. I knew it! I knew you'd slip up sooner or later, Simpson. What slip up? What are you talking about? He confessed it! Quiet, I need this.
Starting point is 01:23:58 It's so sad, like, quiet, I need this. I mean, the ending really underlines how just what a tiny man Skinner is and just how he does need this. I mean, the ending really underlines just what a tiny man Skinner is and just how he does need this. It's a tiny victory in his pathetic life. You testified for the Quimby boy even though it was putting your own head in a noose. On the other hand, you skipped school. I guess the two things cancel each other out, huh?
Starting point is 01:24:22 I'm a small man in some ways, Bart. A small, petty man. Three months detention. Wait a minute, Bart. Make that four months detention. What an asshole.
Starting point is 01:24:40 And another great, like, murky F-U to the script as well. Just like, you thought this was going to be him softening. It's him hardening. There's no change of heart. Yeah, and again, a small, petty man. You can admit it.
Starting point is 01:24:53 And then they didn't do a ton with it, but Homer stealing the stuff from the hotel was pretty funny. And especially that off-screen Barney thing of him just getting smashed with a table. Yeah, lowering furniture out of the window. He's like, oh, these are souvenirs. We're supposed to take them. Lowering them out of a window from like, they are on the 20th floor or something, too. But you figure they'd stop that the first one.
Starting point is 01:25:17 They'd be like, no, you're lowering stuff out of the window. Yeah, we cut to the Simpsons' bedroom, and they're just surrounded by hotel property. You know, a lot of things happened around here while you were gone. Great, Marge. I want to hear all about it. Give me those. And those. And those.
Starting point is 01:25:38 So, yeah, Homer has the last, we think, of his awake glasses stolen and broken by Marge. I love his awake glasses. They're great. Well, all right, we didn't name a best lie of the episode, then. What is the lie of the episode? I think it's the glasses stolen and broken. I love his awake glasses. They're great. Alright, we didn't name a best lie of the episode then. I think it's the children who are wrong. It has to be, right? Let's see that one more time. Why there are no children here at the 4-H club either.
Starting point is 01:25:57 Am I so out of touch? No. It's the children who are wrong. That's the joke. That's the joke. That's the most enduring line. I just love it. It will live on forever. It should be a free hotel. Like, that's beautiful writing.
Starting point is 01:26:12 Yeah, I love it. They're both great. Yeah, but the children who are wrong is the most timeless one. I just didn't want to have our Wikipedia page say we didn't pick a line of the episode for this show, so we have to do it. We can't let them down.
Starting point is 01:26:24 We got No Boy Bobby 2. So yeah, that was A Boy Who Knew Too Much. A really super densely joke-packed episode after a great but also very grounded episode that came before it. I think it's... I mean, Skinner didn't learn a damn thing from that last episode, but he's
Starting point is 01:26:39 still at the top of his game. One of the best Skinner episodes. Homer gets a lot to do. Marge gets a lot to do. Bart gets a lot to do. Just a great season 5 episode altogether. There are two sides of the same coin in this episode. This is the dark brother of the much more
Starting point is 01:26:56 touchy-feely episode before it. And it is just a great super jokey episode that can start with a story of a kid playing and that can start with a story of kid playing hooky to them, be a courtroom, a celebrity courtroom drama.
Starting point is 01:27:10 And it all Hartman comes back to just everybody's here. Yes. Yeah. It's, it's an all-star episode, a really great one. And it's showing to the season five, even as it's getting towards the end,
Starting point is 01:27:19 it is not running on fumes. They are still going strong. If you remember to our season four episodes, towards the end of that, we saw what was happening. We saw the fatigue in people. We saw what happens when you're starting a new show while finishing the old one. A lot of distractions. I'm glad season five is
Starting point is 01:27:35 remaining stable and funny and good. I think it will until the end. I know the next two episodes, so I feel pretty sure. The last episode of season five is very very low key but it's still funny i i freaking love that it is a greg daniels episode so yeah that was talking simpsons i've been your host bob mackie you can find me on twitter as bob servo my other podcast is retronauts a classic gaming podcast every monday and occasionally
Starting point is 01:27:59 extra episodes on friday at retronauts.com find it there or search for Retronauts in your podcast device. Anything you listen to podcasts with, we'll find it. You can download episodes you want to listen to. I recommend the ones that we did. We did episodes about Bart vs. the Space Mutants, Bart's Nightmare, and the Simpsons arcade game. Start with those and branch out. I think you'll like it. And I'll let
Starting point is 01:28:19 Henry talk to you about the Talking Simpsons Patreon, which is exploding. My purse exploded! Yes, hey, thanks again to everybody who has been giving to Henry talked to you about the Talking Simpsons Patreon, which is exploding. My purse exploded. Yes. Hey, thanks again to everybody who has been giving to the Patreon and supporting us. You are making the show happen. Bob and I didn't have to keep doing a soul-crushing job for that. And whenever new episodes go live, you can follow me on Twitter to find out about that too. H-E-N-E-R-E-Y-G.
Starting point is 01:28:40 But, of course, if you have the Patreon app on your phone, you'll get updated every time a new post goes live. And in case you don't know, every episode now goes up a week early on Patreon while going up on the Classic feed. And there's a ton of other exclusives on there too. My favorite that I keep wanting to push people to, I mean, obviously
Starting point is 01:28:59 the second episode of Talking Critic is really great, but there's also our interview with Paul Provenzano, who tells us so many very interesting things about working on the early Simpsons games, including Bart's Nightmare and Virtual Springfield. That's really, really cool. So patreon.com slash TalkingSimpsons.
Starting point is 01:29:15 I also wanted to point out that all of our bonus content, you don't have to listen to it through Patreon, the website, or the app. Anything you use to listen to the MP3s or podcasts, you can plug in the code you'll get when you sign up and you can listen to all the bonus content through that. I use Downcast. You can also use iTunes. Any podcast device, any program.
Starting point is 01:29:32 Yeah, I have switched from the iTunes thing to Overcast. I really like it quite a lot. Yeah, third-party ones are the way to go. Speaking of podcasts, you guys just came on and we talked about not a specific episode of The Simpsons, but its fucking impact and longevity.
Starting point is 01:29:48 It was a lot of fucking fun. Why am I cursing so much? Without plugging the fart episode, which I might as well, like, somebody kill me. I don't think I'll ever do better than that. You've topped out. It really was. It should have been the last episode of Laser Time. But it isn't, and there's a follow-up video game
Starting point is 01:30:04 video on youtube.com slash laser time should have been but it isn't and there's a follow-up video game video on uh youtube.com slash laser time uh let's call it gaming's greatest farty butts remastered no simpsons in there but a lot of other 90 cartoons you might recognize a wall-to-wall characters farting set to classical music better be in 4k chris right i'm gonna try taking my money away so thank you so much for listening this has been talking simpsons next week we're gonna dig into lady boobies. See you then. Wow. Infotainment.

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