Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - The Boy Who Knew Too Much With Jordan Morris

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

"I know you can read my thoughts, Bart. Just a little reminder: if I find out you cut class, your ass is mine. Yes, you heard me. I think words I would never say." - Seymour Skinner When Bart plays hooky and witnesses what results in Springfield's trial of the century, he finds himself up to his neck in hot chowder. Or is it chowdah? Whatever the case, if you don't listen for our sake, do it for McGarnigal. Our guest: Jordan Morris from the Free With Ads and Jordan, Jesse, Go! podcasts Support this podcast and get over 200 ad-free bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod, not to mention Bluesky and Instagram!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking Simpsons. Head there to check out exclusive podcasts like Talking Futurama, Talk King of the Hill, the What a Cartoon movie podcast, and tons more. I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoi, ho, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, the podcast that's more fun than Christian Military Reform School. I'm one of your host, The Innocent of Not Being Guilty, Bob Mackey, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons, who is here with me today, as always? I'm trying to eat lunch here. It's Henry Gilbert.

And who is our special guest on the line? Hey, I'm Jordan Morris. I'm like some sort of non-giving up podcast guest guy. And this week's episode is The Boy Who Knew Too Much Good afternoon How do you do, sir? Sucker This week's episode originally aired on May 5th, 1994, and as always, Henry will tell us what happened

on this mythical day in real world history Oh my God! Three Ninjas kicks back, struggles at the box office. Pearl Jam files a lawsuit against Ticketmaster, and Johnny Carson makes his final appearance on television. So Three Ninjas Kick Back. Was this the one with Hulk Hogan, rest in power? I believe that's High Noon at Mega Mountain. You're thinking of not to be an actually Three Ninja guy here, but I believe you are thinking of High Noon at Mega Mountain. Thank you, Jordan. I assume this will one day feature on your Free With Ads podcast. At least I hope it will.

Yeah, I'm surprised. Free With Ads, the podcast I do with Emily Fleming and Matt Lee, where we watch weird free streaming movies. It's insane that we've been doing the pod for about a year and we have not done a single three ninjas movie. I'm shocked and appalled at us, frankly. In no way would any platform ever charge you for a three ninjas picture. If so, I think you can call the police. Yeah. Right, I know, exactly. Yeah, I think three ninjas is being kept in the zeitgeist by super loud progressive insurance. ads. I think that's what's keeping three ninjas out there. Yeah, the three ninjas franchise, it needed Hulk Hogan to try to save it. They're like for the third one, because this one did poorly, they're like, well, what if like we got Halk Hogan? I want to say Lani Anderson is also in Mega Mountain, I want to say. But as a big fan of the first Three Ninjas movie, that's actually

the movie that inspired me to take karate lessons as a youth. I am embarrassed to say I've never seen high noon at Mega Mountain. I know it from being one of the best movie subtitles of all time, kind of up there with, you know, electric boogaloo and, you know, Secret of the Oos. High noon at Mega Mountain is about as good as a movie subtitle gets. Yeah, I think I might have been too cynical for three ninjas, one, even at age 12, because when I watched it, I thought, this is like Home Alone, except there are three Kevin McAllisters, and instead of swinging pink hands at the villains, they're using karate and also giving them diarrhea. That's an important plot point.

in three ninjas one. They poison the criminals and make them poop themselves. To me, I'm like, this is so much better than Home Alone. Home Alone walked so that three ninjas could run. I guess there were less internal injuries.

Or give people the runs. Yes. Even better, even better. Thank you. Thank you. New Line, I believe, is the releaser of the Three Ninja series. And so they had such a big hit

with Ninja Turtles that they're like, what if the Ninja Turtles were Kevin McAllister in a house beating up guys? But Kickback also followed their stuff. with the Ninja Turtles movies, which is being cheaper. Only one of the three ninjas

from the first movies returned. They cheaped out on paying the others to come back. Oh, you want the old TomTom. Are they recast? Are there the other ones just like on vacation? No, they recast the ninjas, yes. I'm very proud of myself for being able to remember one of the three ninjas code names.

I'm very impressed. The Pearl Jam Ticketmaster thing, believe it or not, they felt that they accused Ticketmaster of being a monopoly with anti-competitive practices, which is an insane thing to allege of ticket master of all people. I think this lawsuit is what causes the joke Mr. Burns has in Homer Palooza.

Right, a mix of the rich and the ignorant? Yes, yeah. And now I guess we just all pay these convenience fees on everything and we've lost. There is no happy ending to this story. We're all just paying 40 bucks for DoorDashed McDonald's and not even thinking twice about it. Oh, you want to use your own printer. Well, that's five bucks. Don't ask how this works.

Convenience fees are just on. and everything now. And now you're lucky if you can buy it on the Ticketmaster before any in-demand thing is just bought up by the scalpers who will then put it on Stubhub, of course. Whatever happened to like lining up on the sidewalk for tickets,

that was not only fun, but it led to a plot in every sitcom in 1994. There was always some sort of lining up to get tickets plot in something. And yeah, I feel like maybe we lost something by losing that tradition. Yeah, you can't really

build a sitcom plot around buying a bot that will then buy the first 100 tickets for you from a website. Just, yeah, someone refreshing a website a bunch. That's not a story. People getting a sleeping bag and lining up on the sidewalk for Pearl Jam tickets. That's a funny situation. I've heard of the

reverse with the young people now that they don't buy any tickets until like the minute the show is starting, they're lined up outside of the place, waiting for the people on Stubhub or similar things to mark down the tickets a ton and just be like, okay, now, like, they gamble on just like, I'll assume I'll get a ticket if I hang outside the stadium. I've heard that, too, and that stresses me out. As a man who loves a plan, that policy for getting into a show really stresses me out.

I will not join Gen Z on this. They're crazy. They're into airport maxing and, you know, not lining up for things. Wait, what's airport maxing? Oh, it was a trend started on TikTok. It's one of those things where I think it was not as big as people blew it up to be. But airport maxing is basically you see yourself as the main character. And if you arrive at the airport late, adrenaline will get you through and onto the plane. But it turns out you will actually miss your plane because that's not how reality works. You are not the main character. No one is filming you. Well, everyone's filming you, but they're not putting it anywhere.

Yeah, they're filming you because you're in the background of them filming themselves. Yes. Yes, the Johnny Carson final appearance on TV. We mentioned this in Krusty gets canceled because that was Johnny Carson's like second to last TV appearance. His last one is when he appears on David Letterman, silently comes in during a top 10, when David Letterman is in L.A. It's also just funny because this episode of Simpsons recycles the couch gag of The Simpsons on Letterman.

It's a fun convergence of Johnny Carson's last two TV appearances were on The Simpsons and Letterman, and then the Simpsons reference Letterman the week that he does his last appearance. Yeah, and then he's around for about another decade. I think he dies in the early odds, like 2004, 2006, something like that? Yeah, yeah, though he had a lot of, like, he smoked like a chimney, and that led to it.

His last few years were not great ones, apparently. Yeah. But also he didn't want to, one of the stories was he didn't want to appear on TV because he saw how sad he felt Bob Hope looked in his final years on TV. And he didn't want to look like Bob Hope. Well, I mean, things have really changed because in the early 90s, Johnny Carson was like, I'm 60 years old. I can't be on television. And now that's where a lot of hosts start their shows, I feel. Conan O'Brien had a great bid on his Kennedy Center honor where Letterman is there.

and he joked that, like, if you told me 15 years ago that David Letterman would be honoring me at this, I would have said, David Letterman is still alive. You know, Johnny Carson just missed having a lazy vanity podcast. And growing a beard. He could have grown a beard. And like, despite having that podcast for only three months, it could have been named one of the greatest podcasts of all time by some major outlet. Yes, I know. Johnny Carson could have been one of the most, 100 most influential. influential podcasts of all time.

Just would have stuck it out. But that's what happened the week. This classic episode of The Simpsons aired. And joining us once again is Jordan Morris from the podcast. Jordan Jesse Go and Free With Ads. And Jordan last joined us on the episode. So it's come to this, a Simpsons Clip Show. So welcome back to the show, Jordan, for a real episode.

Thank you. Oh my gosh. So great to be here to talk about an episode that has a beginning, middle, and end. And, Jordan, you've been traveling all around these 50 states. It looks like every time I see your pictures and on social media, it's like, wow, he's at another convention. You're going around these days. Yeah, I'm a con guy these days.

You know, give me a buy-mun sci-fi con. I'll set up my little table at it. I've been doing, like, comics the past couple of years. My first comic came out in 2020, so no cons. We did a lot of, like, virtual events. But, yeah, I had a book come out last year, a graphic novel called Youth Group with a great artist named Bowen McGurdy. And I was just so excited about it.

I was like, fuck it. going to be con guy. I'm going to like, you know, if a place has a folding table for me, I will set up my little books at it and try and sell them. And it's been like really fun. I was like a, you know, con attendee as a kid. I grew up in Southern California. So my mom would drop me off at San Diego Comic-Con when you could still just kind of drop someone off and they can get a ticket for the day. Yeah. And so it's been like really fun. It's been kind of a hoot. And yeah, I've done, you know, your San Diego Comic Con, but also like a, you know, GalaxyCon in New Orleans and the A Thousand Oaks Public Library Comic-Con.

So, yeah, it's just a really fun way to, like, you know, meet comics people who, you know, hard to find them in the wild sometimes. And, yeah, like just the hand-sell people books. It's been kind of neat. And, of course, see all of the Deadpools, all of the many-any-de-pools from around this great country. Also, Jordan, I brought you on here to ambush you. No, no, I joke.

But you're... Oh, I'll take it. No, that sounds spicy. You wrote your recent episodes of Jellystone just came out. year too. I have grievances on your attack on the canon of Flintstones. I kid, but you're better off Fred episode was a really great episode. Let's hash it out. I missed this. Jordan, how did you meddle in the rock solid, no pun intended canon of the Flintstones? Right. Yes, the ironclad. So I wrote for a great show over there on HBO Mac. It's called Jellystone.

It is a lecture. I'm sure listeners to this pod are probably familiar with this show. I'll briefly we summarize it anyways. It is kind of a mash-up show with all the Hannah-Barbera characters, but bringing in some more, you know, like Cartoon Network IP and stuff in the kind of recent apps. And yeah, it's all these Hannah-Barbera characters. We're talking squiddly-diddly. We're talking snaggle-puss. They all live in a weird little town and have weird little adventures. It's a really, really funny show. C.H. Greenblatt is the creator and showrunner, a lovely dude, a cartoon genius. Yeah, so I got to write for the most recent episode that's out there on HBO Max, airs sometimes on Cartoon Network 2, I believe. And yeah, they wanted to do a Flintstones

episode, but I think the idea was to like, because, you know, the parent company is always trying to reboot these things somehow. There's a dark corner of Warner Brothers where someone is working on a reboot of everything they own. Like, so to feature those big characters, like the Flintstones and the Jetsons and the Scooby-Doo gang, like we just had to find some weird way at it that wouldn't mess with whatever reboot someone was planning our Flintstones episode. So Captain Caveman, part of the original cast. Of course, everybody remembers Captain Caveman, later part of Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels,

where he had three Charlie's Angels rip-off sidekicks. Captain Caveman gets bonked on the head and remembers that he is actually Barney Rubble. Yes. And we had some kind of crazy reasoning for why he was covered in hair and talked in sentence fragments. So that's the big reveal.

And then there's this kind of like flashback where they try and clone Fred from Fred Flintstone's bones. Very crazy to write Fred Flintstone's bones in a script. I just did that. I'm like, what am I doing? Why are Fred Flintstone's bones entering into this plot? They use his bones to create a weird little Fred Flintstone clone who runs a muck in Jellystone.

Really, really fun. I love this goofy show. It was so fun to be a part of. Yeah, definitely if you haven't checked out Jellystone, it's over there on the HBO. Max. You know, Jordan, it's funny that you mentioned the possibility of a Simpsons, or sorry, Flintstone's reboot, because I think we are now 20 years out from Seth McFarlane being

attached to a Flintstone's reboot. And I think he might have been a little too Seth McFarnelly for that brand. Yeah, Fred's singing too many show tunes. Why is Fred crooning so much? I mean, Anne Margrock would have a great home on that version of the Flintstones, but it didn't come into being. Yeah. Frank Sinatstone.

Stonatra? Frank Stoneastro? That's probably it. Let's go to lunch. I feel like you see that pop up, you know, on deadline every couple months, things that are happening with that Seth McFarland Flintstone's reboot. I think maybe it's not happening now, but I mean, God willing, someday we'll get Fred Flintstone, whose jokes are a little bit racist. Yeah, the Flintstones can't just be vitamins and cereal. They have to be another entertainment product. Thank you. Yeah, kids just know them as vitamins and cereal now. That was a crazy episode that Captain Caveman, who has usually been written to be a separate character from Barney and Fred, is revealed to be Barney, and Fred has been dead for thousands of years, and it's like, it was a crazy, great episode. As was, I really love your Crisis on Infinite Earth's episode, too. That was another great one. I don't want to spoil all the appearances in it, but it's a perfect crossover episode of the show. Thank you. I really, really love that episode. I'm super, super happy with how it turned out. Yeah, I love all those OG Cartoon Network characters that pop up. It's, yeah, it's kind of the jellystone. parody of end game and all the, you know, kind of multiverse stuff that happens. So, yeah, I think those would be two great episodes to check out if you haven't, if you haven't watched the show.

Well, and this is a great episode of The Simpsons, too. It is. Yeah, pure John Swartzweiler, just one solid plot all the way through. For some reason, some part of me thinks this, oh, that's a lesser season five. Whenever I watch it, I'm like, no, it's a stone cold killer of an episode. Everything is working. So good. There's like memes, you know, you can see like meme templates pop up, which is always the mark of a good

episode, I think, if it produces a meme that we're still using in 2025. I think Swartzwolder and Jeff Lynch are a perfect combo because Jeff Lynch is one of their best directors. And Swartzweiler, it's helpful that there is a script out there for this that I was able to find on the internet archive. And you can see his, Swartzweiler writes down these, you know, just tons of action, no dialogue, like the big waiter scene at the end. And Jeff Lynch took that perfectly and made it as funny as it could be.

team in perfect action directions. So they are a wonderful combo together in this. And I have to think Swartzwolder is obviously playing on the powerful Kennedy family in this including, I would guess most likely the not very funny to talk about 1991

trial of William Kennedy Smith, I would guess. Yes. Yeah, I really pulled that out this time because we referenced that in, sorry, they referenced that in separate vocations. So there's a moment where Bart is fantasizing about being on trial in the future and there's a blue dot over a face, and that is a parody of actual footage of that trial of the accuser of William Kennedy

Smith. They chose to put a blue dot over the face of the victim instead of the alleged victim instead of mosaicing it out. So they already had reference in the past, and I think Mike Reese thought that was very tasteless. And so they're doing a lighter reference to it now. It's like, okay, a young Kennedy out of control. In this case, I believe William Kennedy Smith was 30 and not 18. And they find a funny thing to do with it. And of course, you know, this aired back when RFK Jr. was a mere 40, a young man of 40,

being very normal with no things to have allegations about either. Sure. He was only eating the animals that people usually eat. Probably 40, but looking a hard 70. He'd looking like a hard 130 today. I would guess his brainworm was probably only one

when this episode there. I want baby pictures. That's a fun age. Isn't it for a brain worm? All the Kennedy shit in this is like, differently funny that it was in 1994 to me. When I was very innocent didn't know all of these Kennedy references in it either. I guess there was something subversive

to all the Kennedy jokes here because they were American royalty for a time before all the scandals. And now, I don't think they've been forgotten, but whenever a Kennedy resurfaces, you're like, oh yeah, right, there's RFK Jr. There's the guy who basically got drummed out of politics because too much spit formed in the corners of his mouth.

I forget who that guy was that guy? Man, what was that guy's name? I can't remember that. There was also a Kennedy III who like failed at some election. He thought he was going to win an election just because he was a Kennedy in like a Democratic primary and he like turfed out against somebody. Was it the

Ed Markey one? I'm remembering now, there's too many elections to keep track. By the way, I did make up the spitman. He is Joseph Kennedy the third. Born and 80, retired politician. Yeah, so we're as deep in the Kennedys now, deeper in Kennedys in the public life, I'd say, than even in 94. Though I guess Ted

Kennedy was like a lifetime senator then. Like, he was still very much around. This episode, the original script is out there dated September 30th, 1993 on the Internet Archive. Original title is Hotel Homer. That's the name of the script. I assume that means there was going to be a lot more Homer and Skinner on jury duty. A little bit. And this was kind of around OJ trial time, right? I remember the idea of a sequestered jury being a big thing. Like, you know, publicity around the OJ trial, the jurors being sequestered. Anyway, it seems like maybe that's part of where this plot came from. It's super pressure.

Jordan because this is I believe one month before the double murder so they're kind of not predicting it but they're getting in touch with what people be fascinated by just over the summer well what was the most famous sequestered jury before the OJ jury I wonder the Menendez trial would have been right

before this I would think that was like the TV getting ready for the OJ trial almost it's crazy how this like kind of foreshadows it with multiple things they referenced in this episode I marked a few of them but like I definitely remember I watched this as a kid and then when the OJ trial began

some facts of it I was like oh wait they can film in the courtroom I thought Kent Brockman said you couldn't do that you know things like that yes and OJ was found guilty but then two kids got the judge to retry him great to see more chicks on the bench huh and this episode

title that they changed after it is a reference to two Alfred Hitchcock's films the man who knew too much but it's more directly referenced in Bart's Comet actually there's several things in this end of the season that are like, oh, this is you like getting ready for season six. Yeah, if you want to know where Ksar-Sarra came from, or I guess the most popular use of it, it is in the remake of The Man Who K-Noo- Too Much, Hitchcock remade his own movie.

I love that scene, that Ksar-Sah-Sah scene. Really terrific movie, too. And this episode is full of deleted scenes. There are five deleted scenes on the DVD, and then there's a few more, like, good jokes I'll note from the original script. But this is a dense episode. Like, basically, I'd say, John Schwarzenolder wrote 20. 20% extra of a great episode he didn't need to write and that they overanimated it and it's just full of perfect stuff. Most of the best cuts are from the first act that probably already is like 10 minutes long, like too long of a first act as it is.

So the episode begins with something David Merkin loves, which is the hating school. He hated school and the kids hate school in his season. Yeah, all of the, I mean, I'm sure John Swartzwater feels the same way and everybody who writes for the Simpsons probably feels the same way. but drilling down on how bad school is for kids is really a Merkin axe to grind. Hey, I'm on board with it. And the point of school is it's prison. It crushes your individuality. It crushes your independent thought.

And it keeps you away from the beautiful outside world, which you should be experiencing. Instead, you're learning about Roman numerals. It's interesting that you have this kind of anti-school thread in The Simpsons because, I mean, isn't the stereotype about the Simpsons writing staff is that they're all Harvard guys who, you know, would probably be real teacher's pet bookworm Lisa types. Do we know anything about Schwarzwalder? Is he one of the Harvard guys? I guess in, you know, I am a big fan of his. I've read a couple of his weird self-published novels. But I guess I don't know anything about the guy. Yeah, one of the few non-Harvard writers for the Simpsons of this generation and also a bit older than the other writers. So he was an outlier. But David Merkin, the showrunner for these couple of seasons, he did like to hire non-Harvard people because he's also a college dropout. Yeah. He was trying to de-harvardify it. So that. That's why more of this, like, school is horrible stuff comes in in his era. Yeah, I think it's the, well, and they mentioned, too, the, like, the Lincoln joke that comes in when Bart is fantasizing.

On the commentary, they joke like, well, these Harvard guys love Lincoln, but then they're like, well, wait, this wasn't, Swordswellers not a Harvard guy, but they're still putting in a Lincoln joke. Yeah, I guess every writing stack, you need a couple of Bart's and a couple of leases. What's the propensity of Lincoln jokes in comedy these days, Jordan? You know, I think not what it once was. I definitely realized that there was a time when, you know, you could throw Lincoln in anything and get a laugh. I love the Lincoln thing in this, by the way. I fucking love the choice of Lincoln just standing there on the raft, not really doing anything. And just very matter-of-factly saying, hello, Bart, like that, I don't know, just that choice to make it just that I think is so funny and weird.

But yes, I think Lincoln just, you know, probably an overexposure problem, I think, right? There was so much Lincoln in comedy for so long. And I think that like maybe the nail in the coffin, I remember that I said that, was Abe Lincoln vampire hunter. Remember that book and then movie? I think everybody just said, okay, enough Lincoln after that. So yeah, if I was to find a point where maybe we all tried to find a new joke target, it was Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. That was around the same time as Spielberg's Lincoln, so I feel like we close the book.

We're like enough about this guy. Oh, yeah. We get it. He freed the slaves. I'm glad you pointed out the non-joke there, Jordan, because that really slayed me this time where Lincoln just shows up and says, hello, Bart. Instead of saying anything Lincoln like at all, because I feel like the other part of the joke is Bart knows nothing about linking except for what he looks like.

Right, yeah. And he misspells Lincoln, too. That's kind of funny. It doesn't add the L. So, yeah, it is just a, like, what would be in Bart's head? I mean, I think there's that Great Simpsons, like, you know, you can just keep asking questions about this joke and it gets funnier and funnier, the less and less sense it makes as you dissect it. But yes, why is Bart fantasizing that Lincoln is there? It's so funny.

And in Bart's head, like, he also certainly didn't read Huck Finn if it was assigned to him in class. So when he's imagining like, well, Huck Finn, he probably knew Abe Lincoln, right? He'd be around there. Right, yeah. It's just a, like, to a kid, like old-timey stuff is all just kind of like the same soup. also auto exploding at them is so fun because he's the cool good time guy and he's just like blow your freaking heads off like and then he says he has a shining thing going on which again is like it's presaging the first the tree house of season six with the shining not very far away and yeah

the prison bus does be is a mainstay throughout this episode it's not just for this one joke they're on the prison bus again later and like autos I really noticed on this watch like just Otto's terrified expression when he says me and this bus have kind of a shining thing going on it's really funny that like Otto realizes this is happening to him and is terrified to me I really like that I don't know

I like that choice of like playing the emotional reality of what if a bus was taking control of your personality we're meeting Otto in the middle of a very harrowing story of his own like off screen he must really go through something that we're not seeing yeah Otto is having this whole

possession story that we're like not even seeing. Yeah, it's really funny. He's seeing the guy and the guy in the bear costume in the back all the time. And he's like, hey, cut it out. There are kids on the bus. That's the auto side story that we're not getting. Then we go to the classroom

where they're given torturous, posterific chairs, which I have to think RFK will be instituting soon, I would guess. But I just love, I kind of wish I had had posturific chairs because it would have gotten me ready for a career of sitting in front of computers after school. How little did we know? Now I have to pay for my own posthorific chair.

Also, like, even Martin, usually the good boy, cannot put on a brave face. He's like, I'm having back spasm. All these little things in this episode really killed me this time around because I know all the big jokes. And Millhouse, he's now paralyzed on the left side of his body. And Edna's response is, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. This is where Bart also finds out that they're going to have to stay longer because Bart tampered with the clock. and this is the introduction of a David Merkin favorite as well.

Yeah, the Little Bastard kits. A little bastard, I believe. L-I-L, yes. And I believe there's only three instances of this happening in the show. Are there more or are there less than three, Henry? Now, I could only find three in the Wiki, unless the Wiki missed ones that, like, reappeared in, like, season 18 or something. Yes, they're only in this, Itchy and Scratchy Land and the Joy of Sect.

It has two Little Bastards in it, because the Movementmentarians also have a little bastard. set. Yes, I'm seeing the clock tampering kit, the traveling kit from Itchy and Scratchy Land, the general mischief kit from the Joy of Sex, like you said, and then the movementarians have their own. That was like the last Merkin show run episodes. He got his

runner of Little Bastard and he squeaked it in there on the last one. I think with all of the like kind of calling back that Modern Simpsons does, it seems plausible that we will get a episode where they tour the Lil Bastard factory at some point, right? That's got to be coming up season.

Get Homer out of those hedges. He's got to do other things. Yes, yeah. Well, honestly, with the density of the backgrounds they do in the HD era, I wonder if they have just in the backgrounds, they've drawn in Little Bastard for like 30 episodes. Oh, I wonder. Nobody even notices them.

But this is where Bart can't take it anymore. He sees that Quimby dropped out of school of the fourth grade, and he knows he can't stay any longer. This caraway scene thing hasn't happened to me yet, but I did recently have to leave a recording early due to have my own dental need. Yes. I did not buy Henry's note for a second. second.

Yes. His mom busted whatever hand it was she writes with. Yes. Signed Mrs. Gilbert. And this is where the first good thing that I wish was in the deleted scenes was in the original script where Edna, you know, Bart says, you can call my mom if you want. And she's like, that's okay. I trust you.

And they cut from the script that Bart then runs out and rushes to a pay phone. Edna does call the number and Bart answers it as Marge and only replies in murmurs. That's a shame because we only got one line of Bart imitating March in the auto show where he goes, He sure can. I love to the little detail of him faking this note and him saying, I busted whatever hand it is I write with. Just the idea of like I busted my hand is such a little kid way to say that, that a mom would not. This is where they decide it's time to start tracking Bart after he escapes in our first clip.

In conclusive. I wish more students had agreed to these electronic tracking implants. He only had one volunteer. Spillet! Where's your brother? You'd better answer him, Lisa. He's a bad man. What are you laughing about? You started off as the bad cop, and now you're the good one. Kewan really got mixed up about ten minutes ago.

We did not. Now where's Bart? You better tell me. You better tell him, Lassie. him Lassie. I cannot control him when he gets like this. Now you're the good cop. What? Yardley's so funny there, right? She is. It's a great before. It's so fun

to see Lisa having fun and like underappreciated relationship in the Simpsons Skinner and Willie. The Skinner Willie dynamic is always really, really funny. Good to see them in this. We'll see me. This taught me, I don't think I had heard the good cop, bad cop thing before as a kid until this joke here. That it was like,

a thing. I hope this helped deprogram some kids to know that the tricks cops can play on you. Yeah, Lisa should have asked for her lawyer, number one. No, yeah, right. It's also great Martin, he signed up to have an implant shoved into a bright beeping, constantly beeping implant, he put into his head. Yeah, and just the, like, I don't know, and just the, like, the direction of just holding on him sitting quietly in his seat is so funny. Like, the length of that shot, I think, is perfect. And I can't exactly explain why I think that's so funny. But just like the idea of just like you don't need to track this kid who just quietly sitting there.

It's really, really funny. I love this gag. I also really love the crime lab. It's a return of the whole like mission control that they have at Springfield Elementary that was in the seat swimmer skunner's badass song where they're watching Sanzl Helper run through the vents via that big computer readout. I love that the results are inconclusive. Just like all of this equipment doesn't work. And it's an old like computer punch card that comes out. too. I know. To tell them

the obvious thing that Bart faked it, but it's inconclusive. It can't tell them for sure. And yeah, that it's like 1994, but they are using basically Adam West's bat computer of a readout in punch card form. This is where Bart has seemingly stolen someone's straw hat in Hayseed, and he's reenacting his fantasy

while mortgaging his future. And I do the scary hobos that appear, like the shadow that they look like his fantasy, and then it's scary hobos wanting to show him a dead body. Ah, I love that. I love that. I was wondering if these two hobos are a reference to something. I saw them and they're so deliberately drawn. These hobos are so lovingly drawn. I'm like, are these references to famous pop culture hobos that I just don't recognize? Well, we know

that Swartzwater loves hobos in general and he puts them in everything. He can. The crumpled hat guy especially, a guy wearing a crumpled top hat, like that's key hobo design. Like on Futurama, their regular future hobos, one of them also has the crumpled top hat. Right. I know. Yeah. I mean, Hobo, maybe for a minute, looked like it was going to go Lincoln and then it was going to be a comedy trope that we all get tired of. I think hobo has just stayed fun and funny. Anyway, yeah, more hobos. No, I mean, John Hodgman did the perfect 700 hobo names. And it helped us all, like, it didn't overexpose hobos. And he knew it was on the verge of being overdone as well. Like, that was part of the comedy in the John Hodgman

future books too. Yeah, I guess maybe the issue is that we don't have a earnest pop culture hobo. So it's like, you know, what are we even referencing at this point? But yeah, I guess what's the most recent piece of like earnest hobo media? I can't think of it. I would say with all of the so many politicians going out against the unhoused lately, we could use more lovable hobos to soften their image. Thank you. Yes. Make people nicer. This is where the Skinner decides he's going to track him himself and leads to, in this next clip, one of the greatest Simpson's scenes of all time, as Bart also is enjoying his afternoon.

If I were a truant boy out for a good time, I'd be right here, the Springfield Natural History Museum. You're mine, Simpson. Look, if I was under 17, I'd be in school, right? Yeah, I guess you're right. Enjoy Boobaramah, sir. Why, there are no children here at the 4-H club either. Am I so out of touch?

No, it's the children who are wrong. Yes, and I believe Henry said this to me when I told him that young teenagers don't like logos on their clothes anymore. Yes, as I wear another of my logoed shirts here. I think, I mean, we're all elder millennials. We're all wearing shirts with things on them. I can't see Jordan's shirt. You know, it's pretty faded, but I have a logo on my shirt from John Gabris's recently ended podcast, High and Mighty. This is the

Arthur Gabris Dog logo from Great Podcast High and Mighty, RIP. Yeah, I learned the shocking fact because I wanted to buy my nephew a shirt, and my mom said, well, they don't like shirts with things on them anymore, and I thought the youth, they're lost. How will you let people know what you like immediately? What are your two

logo shirt? I have a bootleg shirt that's based on the Super Nintendo RPG Earthbound. Ah, yes. Yeah, you see Ness there. And mine is one of the new Uniclo's sweatshirts of Princess Maninoke. Hey, gorgeous. Henry is wearing a sweater in late August, by the way. I'm confused.

My apartment keeps its air condition. I turned off the AC for this, but my apartment stays pretty cool in Bellevue. Soon I will see a side of beef hanging in the background, swaying back and forth. Rocky comes in and starts punching it. This is like one of the best meme moments in the whole show for four elder millennials. And now I love it in two ways. I always loved it as a way of mocking authority figures who are out of touch. but I'm now on the other side of it

of self deprecating of like you know what this thing it is the children who are wrong my old tastes are right and kids should like these things kids shouldn't pull out their phones during movies or kids should even just want to see movies in theaters

or have shorts with things on them yes yes yeah I do love that like Skinner considers that he's wrong like he takes a minute it's like it's these little like pace timing things that like make this stuff so good Like, him taking a minute to consider whether or not he's wrong is so great.

And, yeah, the 4-H club still exists. You can find, I went to their website, and it's like, you can find your local chapter around here and do projects to help people if you so desire. I was in the 4-H club as a kid, raised a pig. So, see, Skinner would have found you there. He would have, yeah. In 1994? Honestly, oh, God, what year? It might have been 1994.

It was between 94 and 90. I, maybe it was. I would say it's between 94 and 96. I was 4-H-in. It was just one year, one project with the pig. And honestly, I probably would have been in that natural history museum. And you better believe I would have been at boobarama. Well, sure.

I wasn't a total nerd. I love the timeline, too. It was like, how much of boobarama did Bart stay for? Like, this all seems to be happening, you know, between 10 a.m. and noon. Yeah, well, the boobarama thing, it's funny, too, that one to me, Because in 94, it felt like it was kind of the fallow period of, like, between the 80s boob comedies and the late 90s, boob comedies, like American Pie. Like, it's between the era of Porky's and American Pie when the sexy movies and theaters were instead, you know, basic instinct type of right. Yeah, I think Bart is just watching a series of erotic thrillers.

Yeah, that's right. Bart's watching Sliver. Well, yeah, he would have gotten a tip off what a good movie Sliver was from Burns a couple episodes ago. Oh, yeah. Now, like I said, a lot of these smaller jokes are catching me by surprise this time, and I hate to just explain jokes and say I like the joke, but I really enjoy a Springfield auction house formerly vacant lot. And that descriptor is true of every building, which is why I love it. I mean, the great sign jokes of The Simpsons is so funny. The fact that they put it on the sign is great.

I don't know. I love it. It could be every place. Oh, also, by the way, the 4Hs in the 4H club stand for head, heart, hands, and health. That's the 4Hs. And in the original script, this shows you how punch up can work. It was a good joke. The scene is the same, but it's an old and abandoned malt shop like you'd see in Archie Comics.

And there's like a sign on the wall for the soft drink moxie. And that's funny, but the 4-H club is funny, right? Yeah, more specific, I think. This is also where Bart and Homer run into each other and them pretending to be each other. Or they both think they fool each other. The mustache, fake mustache cone is my favorite detail. Yeah. Funny that Homer just carries a cone with it.

And they're both skipping school at work, too, which they say on the commentary, this is back when they cared of explaining that Homer should be at work for some reason. Yeah, that's just out the window. I love these just walking down the street, eating a donut too. Classic Homer. Just eating a donut on the sidewalk. Bart witnesses the crime of the century. Right, cramba. Now, will they risk his own neck to save an innocent man from jail?

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This brand of gum, doublement. Trying to double your fun, eh, Bart? Well, I'll double your detention. I wish someone was around to hear that. And so we enter end game. I re-watched Burns a season. Sun episode not too long ago. And that line reminded me of the great

Rodney Dangerfield line where he does all those kind of like Rodney Dangerfield jokes. And he goes, hey, who am I talking to? Yes. A great writery joke. It is. Really is. Yeah. I like the use of the word spore, which I'm sure I heard for the first time as a kid, which means

usually it means an animal dropping, but something you're using to track someone or something. And I know as a kid, I definitely thought this next segment was Terminator 2. And then it was not until the commentaries that I know was Westworld. That's where I actually learned about Westworld for the very first time, like, in the early odds. I didn't see Westworld until I saw it in theaters when I moved to San Francisco,

and it was, like, playing in, like, 2011 or something at the Castro Theater. Yeah, I also missed Westworld for most of my life. I think I saw it kind of late, and it's a surprise because I was such a Crichton head as a kid. I was a real Crichton nut. Give me those Crichtons, I said. Give me sphere, the Andromeda Strain. What else you got? It's what turned me into the climate change denier I am today.

And one of very few movies he actually directed. Yeah, I know. He, oh, God, there's also a, didn't he also direct that Tom Selleck movie where the appliances go crazy? Oh, that sounds familiar. I think it's just a handful of Michael Crichton movies. It's funny when Jurassic Park was like coming out, people were describing it as like Westworld with dinosaurs before it became the huge shit it was. Like, they're like, oh, he's just redoing Westworld. Right.

Dinosaurs now. And definitely the Westworld, Gould Brinner robot that I definitely think. I think it was inspiration for the Terminator, like it is a non-stop killing machine that's chasing after somebody. Just take out the Ewell Brenner stuff and make it a robot from the future. Yeah, he directed six movies and Jordan,

I think you're thinking of Runaway. Runaway, yes, I am confirming Runaway, the Tom Selleck movie directed by Michael Cright. I love checking out on these things. It turns out that Dublin Gumb is still available along with other grandma adjacent gums like Juicy Fruit and Big Red. They've changed the packaging a little,

but these like interesting, starchy stick gums are still around? Yeah, it's not all little cubes these days. If you want kind of a dusty stick, you can still get one. The fruit stripe gum, gone. Gone. Oh, no. Good. That's the dissolvinist gum on the shelves, or it was at least. A fruit stripe, that'll dissolve in the mouth.

It turns into the size of a pee in your mouth. Now, I actually had a Skinner-style reaction. I'm wondering, you know, what do kids do? What are kids into? What are they doing? And it turns out kids are still chewing gum because I was at the pool yesterday and, like, a seven-year-old got in trouble for sticking their gum where it didn't belong. And I thought, wow, kids, kids and gum are still a winning combination.

You know, maybe they're out on T-shirts with logos on them, but they're still sticking gum. See, we're not, we're not, the generations aren't so different. They're still into very light vandalism. Right. And in the script, it's called out immediately, like, Skinner walks mechanically off, focused on Bart's Trail a. Yule Brinner in Westworld. We hear ominous tracking music from the film.

So it's called out there And Brad Bird worked with Jeff Lynch a lot To capture the West World camera movements And all like his walk through the water With the music is just, it's perfect Like Skinner is a super badass here Which is crazy in the previous episode Sweet Seymour Skinner's badass song

He is the most pathetic he'd been to that point Yeah, there are some very nice drawings here And I definitely called out in my notes When Bart is running across that rickety bridge We're looking at his reflection Not actually at Bart. It's like it's a very nice. nice choice that they didn't have to do that I'm sure made things a lot more complicated.

You know, they saved some money here because they did reuse the shot of Bart running from Burns' estate in Dog of Death and Bart running down the mountain from Camp Krusties. You know, I was hoping I would get to be the one to call that out because it would make me seem cool, but you beat me to it. Thank you. I thought it was just from Camp Krusty, but it started in Dog of Death. It would have to, right? Yeah, the shot right before the Camp Krusty one is Bart running from the dogs on Burns'

estate. Okay. Yeah. It's interesting, yeah, because he starts in. I'm sure there was a, you know, just a note where it looks like he's, you know, the last shot we see of Bart, he is in a city, and then they're kind of on this rickety bridge out in the woods, and there's nothing to transition. And you do get this awkward shot from Camp Krusty, where he's running down a hill that he's

not on in the next shot. Anyway, definitely one for the eagle-eyed viewer, but it was fun to notice. Well, Jesse, in comic and animation writing, do you just put in, like, a script or an outline, like, Westworld, and then you just count on the artist to get it, or how involved do you get? I will do stuff like that. I like to include, like, reference images sometimes. I think, yeah, there was an archie comic that I did something for where I wanted to describe what Jughead's attitude was like. And, like, you know, how do you draw someone's, like, attitude?

And I wanted him to be just kind of like brady and petulant. And so I included that gift of Paul Rudd from Wet Hot American Summer where he's being made to clean up his mess. do you know that part where he's just like a little kid going ugh and like acting like it's so hard to clean up so yeah i like doing stuff like that and i think it's fun i think it's a fun way to get stuff across definitely like i think if you're you know watching animation and you're reading comics you like are someone who probably appreciates a little pop culture reference and it's fun so i think including that stuff is great yeah and i it's a really fun way to like communicate with an artist that can be kind of like tricky sometimes to like if you're a words person to like put into words what you want the art brain genius to do. So, yeah, sometimes those, like, little visual cues and those little, like, moments that we all know from TV and film. Yeah, sometimes that can be, like, a fun way to, like, bridge that gap. Back in 1993, when he wrote it, John Schwarzwutter couldn't attach a gift to it.

No, I know. He had to, like, photocopy an encyclopedia. Go to the library to the micro-feash section. A PA had to run down to the video store in Randolph's World. The bit there, the non-giving-up school guy, that's a punch-up from the original script. You can tell it's ADR on Bart's mouth movements. Originally, the line was, he's like some sort of non-giving-up principal. I'll never be a writer.

That's the original. You know, this line, I love this line. I fucking love this line. From time to time, you'll see on pop culture and writer Twitter this quote pop-up from an interview Schwarzwalder did a couple years ago. it's like one of the only ones he's ever done maybe for the New Yorker right yeah yeah and he says something about his writing process and that's he's like when i'm dumping out the first draft of a script he's like writing the script is hard and punching up as fun and easy to him some might say

differently but yeah to Schwarzwalder the like fun easy pleasurable part is punching up so he's like i just dump out a script with the most cliche language possible and then i go back and make it funny and like i love knowing that it's so fun to like watch these episodes and kind of know that is that they wrote a cliche line and then kind of like decided to make fun of it or decided to like you know just like point out how kind of absurd that kind of connective language is in storytelling this to me struck me as a like this is when they decided not to replace that but just to leave it you know anyway it's really fun yeah I love how distressed Bart is like not being able to think of anything just the little the little posture things

and the little expression things are so great. And yeah, just the decision to have him be like kind of depressed that he can't think of anything is it's such a funny choice. Yeah, I love the line as it is in the episode. The original line is very funny too. But it's weird that an ADR line is this funny. Normally when there's an ADR line, we're asking, what was the original? I bet it was funnier and they just got sick of it. But in this case, it's like a mortal.

And I also like how we mentioned the tension of the scene, how Bart is afraid. Outside of the comic idea of Skinner becoming a killer robot, they play the tension very strong. straight. They could put in gags of, you know, things happening to Skinner as he's climbing the mountain or things happening to Bart, but outside of this, the general comic premise, they don't add anything to it. Skinner's a total badass climbing that mountain. And also, I got to give it to Lynch. Jeffrey Lynch would go on to be a great action film storyboard artist and a secondary director on movies. The staging of this, Bart needs to get into that car. But if you put the car too obvious, then you know what's coming. You're ahead of the joke, but the car can't

just magically appear. That would be cheating. I think they staged the car perfectly. As Skinner walks up to Bart, the car does come by and you see it, but I don't think they like cheated. It's just the right level to play the car for it to work as an action moment. Then when Bart is revealed to be behind the car or in it, the line of I'm not paying you to talk. Like that is such a dark line. And it's such a mean, horrible thing that I mean, I think the thing with Schwarzwalder is that, you know, I don't know how the man feels now in the age of Trump. But I think back then he was the conservative guy on the Simpsons writing staff, right? Isn't that kind of the joke about him is that he's the conservative guy? And yeah, it is funny how much like contempt he has for the Kennedys making them look so bad.

It is like, yeah, it is fun how he makes them look. And we head to the Quimby compound, which they joke about like, now, some. could say this is like a certain family, political family on the commentary. They won't, though Merkin on the like 0304, whenever it was commentary, he's definitely also indicating like this is like the Bush family he's saying then too. You know, yeah, a lot of shitty political families out there. Tons of them. When he runs in a very important thing I love in the staging of all the scenes of Freddie, nobody laughs. Like nobody likes him. They're terrified of him. Yeah, I know. just the like the faces on the crowd when he is like, I spiked the punch and they all know that they

have to laugh. Just like fucking great. The little details in this. I mean, I mean, you know, I feel like I'm just saying it over and over again about how funny and cool all the like little stuff is in this. But yeah, the fact that the crowd is clearly just terrified of this guy. It's just such great like little small visual storytelling things. It's, yeah, awesome. This is where my mom had to explain a joke to me as Bart gets caught and introduced himself as Bart Bart Bart. And him, just the delivery on that, him realizing that it's a bad pull, like him realizing that it's a bad nickname. There's just, I don't know, these little details. And yeah, just the like, the like performance on that of Bart not being sure that this will work is,

yeah. And at this point, Henry, do we get the Rosemary Kennedy parody? The first deleted scene audio I have here, yeah. So after Bart introduced himself as Bart, which is a reference to the then living John Kennedy Jr. being called John John when he was a kid. This is where there is a joke that I'm guessing they cut for taste reasons where a woman in a Captain Pike style from Star Trek

wheelchair comes up to Bart. I guess you know Daisy. She's probably your grandmother or something. Ooh. Some party, huh? So, uh, what's your favorite cartoon?

Roadrunner. Yeah, me too. Could you get me a piece of cake there it is daisy quimby a very old woman in a wheelchair yeah reference to rosemary kennedy a very tragic story of the family basically lobotomizing their child because they don't know what to do with her and she ends up living until the age of 90 almost though so i don't know if it was a happy life but she was around for a while and kind of like the family's dark little secret out of one of many actually but she would pass away eight months after this episode aired oh really i'm seeing 2005 oh okay in my research see i was also thinking

thinking it was a reference to Rose Kennedy, who was in a wheelchair then, too. Okay, maybe they're slamming them both together. I think so. Into one, yeah. It is interesting that you have this political joke that is also a Star Trek joke. Yes, yes. It's also a reference to a very specific Star Trek episode.

Actually, I'm glad you brought that up. It is Star Trek, and I think it's Rose Kennedy and Rosemary, because Rose very old in a wheelchair, Rose Mary Kennedy could not speak thanks to the procedure that was done to her. So I think they're finding a way to combine all of these things into one joke. Which, I mean, dressing it up in a Star Trek parody softens it, but I can see why they're like, also, this is still Act 1. They haven't gone to the commercial yet, so I can see why they were like, you know, we can cut the like 20-second joke about a disabled Kennedy family member. We need to get to the very hot topic of last action hero, or excuse me, the last action hero.

God, I love that. The movie had just come out the summer before it was written, so a very fresh, mean joke here. I mean, you want to imagine when you make fun of a failure of a very famous person, that that person would be like, oh, my mighty heart is breaking. Like, it hurts them so much. And apparently a Rainier Wolf Castle is married to this universe's version of Maria Shriver. I wonder if they split up in 2011 when you cheated on her with the help. Yeah, have we had? I mean, I watch, you know, maybe like half of the new Simpsons that come out.

Is Rainier Wolf Castle still an ongoing thing? Is he a governor in this world? I know he's the president in the movie. Is he still a part of the show? I'm sure. I mean, it's a Harry Shearer role. So I feel like he appears less than he usually does because Harry Sherrard is not really involved with the show as much.

But I don't think they did anything with him to get him out of there. I see him around for time time. I mean, Jordan, it still drives me crazy than in the movie. It's just Arnold Schwarzenegger and not Rainier Wolf Castle. Oh, that's right. You're right. Thank you for correcting me almost. RIP my mentions there.

That almost took away all my Simpsons fan credibility. And that whole, I'll be in the Humvee thing is part of Arnold Schwarzenegger history because he was the first civilian to buy Humvees for civilian normal use. And then he convinced the company to make a street legal model of the Humvee. And if you're wondering what a Humvee was, essentially it was the cyber truck of the early 90s in which you would see one and you would think, what an asshole. And that'd be the end of it. Right. I was thinking of the timeline of the Schwarzenegger Kennedy family stuff then too because the recently acclaimed. for his role in White Lotus, Patrick Schwarzenegger

was not even a year old when this episode was aired. He had been born, but not even a year old yet. I definitely remember the Last Action Hero Dig when this first aired. Last Action Hero was definitely one of those movies that I saw as a kid. And it was that thing

when you start to realize that movies can be bad. When you're a kid, you're just kind of happy to be at the movies and then you're like, wait a minute, some of these are bad. And yeah, I think that was the same year as the Mario movie.

So I think I have two big memories of like just seeing a movie and then being weirded out when I left knowing that it was bad. Yeah, I didn't like it as a kid. And I feel like people are trying to reevaluate it. So I went back to it within the past like three or four years. And I thought it's still a big misfire. The director admits he was in way over his head and he shouldn't have been making a comedy. And then like the two or three really good jokes in the movie are super over explained because they don't think you'll get them. So a lot of missed opportunities.

Yeah. I watched it last year too, kind of hoping that like, oh yeah, maybe. people were hard on this thing that was just like ahead of its time and yeah it is like it's such a big swing and you have to admire it but yeah it is this like comedy being made by no one who is funny it's this funny premise that is being made by people who don't who can't make jokes you know and yeah is this kind of weird neither dick nor ball action movie comedy i mean it's a great premise for a sketch of what happens if you go into a blockbuster video store in a universe of a movie where a guy looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Like, what is that like? That was my favorite joke in the movie. But the movie was marketed heavily to us because we were the age of the kid in the movie. Like, we're midpointed. And we all had that haircut, too. Some of us still do. Yeah. No joke.

I had a friend who looked exactly like that kid. He in elementary school and that came out or junior high. He looked exactly like him to the point that I saw more than once. People come up to him and say, you're that kid from the Schwarzenegger movie, right? and it drove him insane. That's a weird logic thing when you're making entertainment for kids. I think kids don't want to see other kids and stuff.

I think if you're going to a Schwarzenegger movie as a kid, you're going because you think it's a grown-up movie. You think, like, I'm watching this movie for grown-ups and it's cool and has violence and stuff like that. I think making it a kid's movie and giving him a kid's side kid is part of what was not fun about that. Yeah, I just watched Muppet Treasure Island for the first time, And I think the kid in that does a great job.

He's playing the lead in that story. But I'm also thinking, why isn't this Kermit? Why isn't this Robin? There should just be one main human in this world and there's far too many. I think there's just this executive logic that like if you're making something and trying to get kids to go, they need to have like another kid they can relate to. I think when you're a kid, you think that's dumb. I thought that Muppet Treasure Island kid was a crummy singer though, or maybe he was just giving bad songs. But he was a very high pitch singer, which kind of took me out of things a bit.

but I do like that movie a lot I wonder if on the last action hero DVD commentary if they actually say there were script problems from day one did they literally say that our mighty hearts are breaking John McTiernan record that from prison did John McTiernan go to prison oh yes yeah yes oh my gosh I had no idea

because of Rollerball what's going on with him it's very complicated basically I watched Predator this week and was like thinking to myself like I love this fucking movie I wonder why John McTiernan doesn't make more movies, but apparently he, something happened? The short version of the story is I know it is

that while he was working on the movie Rollerball, he was worried that the executives were missing with him and, like, working behind his back. So we hired a guy who eventually got arrested for much bigger crimes to wiretap their phones. And then unlike some other celebrities who had better stories to tell the police, John McTiernan, I think, did not have a good alibi.

And eventually it all, like, kind of fell apart for. him, I think. Wow. News to me. This is fascinating. Hey, speaking of other crimes, the crimes of pronouncing words incorrectly here or... Yeah, some say the ultimate crime. This is where the inciting incident finally happens. Hey, what the hell is this?

He's a bowl of shout-dell, sir. Wait a minute, come here. What did you call it? Say it loud enough so everyone can hear. Come on, say it. Shout-dell. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-deer. It's Chowda. Say it right. Shaldell. Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Come back here. I'm not through demeaning you. Wow. This is the biggest Rice Krispy Square I've ever seen.

Boy, the rich sure know how to live. Say it, French. Chowda. Never out. Okay, you ask for it. I'm going to enjoy this. And then a very long series of sound effects happens. But yeah, you know, by the way, since moving to the Seattle area, I've enjoyed a lot of more chowda than I used to have.

It's pretty good. What's your favorite kind? There's the red kind and the white kind. It's like Boston and Manhattan style are different. Boy, I'm a Chowda newbie, but it's the white. The white chowda is what I normally order. I'm a fan of the white chowder. I've had a $10 version and have had a $30 version, and they're about the same to me.

heading over to Chowder Chat Town here and saying that I don't love a clam chowder, but I love a corn chowder. So there are chowders that I enjoy, but not clam. I should be trying that corn chowder. I don't know if I've had that one, but I was as a kid more of a Rice Krispy Square kid than a chowder kid. Yeah, there's two kinds of kids. Did the rice crispy treat kids and chowder kids? Do the kids know about Rice Krispy Squarespace?

They're still eating gum. Man, I wonder. I wonder if parents are making it the same or if they like. Though also, I wonder now they would have called this just a few years later in the show like a crisp rice square or something like this uses the branded term that a kid would say but they don't always love saying branded terms in episodes this extreme french waiter is great i love how ridiculously is he call himself clusoesque later in the episode and we only hear his name once it's le cost which is the name of the famous paris based clothing line they're famous

for having the little alligator stitched onto their clothing. Yeah. It's also so great how everybody, they keep cutting to everybody at the table, so uncomfortable. Like, Freddy thinks he's so funny and everybody's just looking at each other, like, oh, my God, what's going to happen here?

I know, and he's so obnoxious. This, like, performance is so good. And, yeah, this is just one of those things that is just steered in my brain and has changed my brain chemistry. I cannot see Chowder on a menu without thinking shout air and chowda like it just yeah it is now what i think of when i see that common word i know this like scene is so funny and this was one of those like as a kid when this air just like my social

currency in my friend group was how accurately can you quote the simpsons and we would just hang around and go chowda shouta and just laugh and laugh like a bunch of little dorks hanging around on the playground it was yeah so much fun i love this bit so much and you know something i tend to forget because I've seen this episode like 60 times, is that it is a mystery. Everything plays on Bart's face. Until he reveals what happened in Act 3, we are not supposed to know what actually went down.

We just know that Quimby didn't do it. It's a fun structure. A good example of like the Simpsons has good storytelling in addition to like the jokes. But it's an interesting mystery too because it's like you know that Bart knows Freddie is innocent, but you don't know how Freddie is innocent. So it's a deeper mystery than just,

oh, then who did do it kind of thing. There's one other little deleted. scene in this bit here when Wiggum comes in you know it hits a hard cut to the commercial but there was originally one more little line oh yeah and the waiter's been brutally beaten I heard him arguing with Freddy

of a chowder now what is there to argue about can't we all agree it's just a delicious seafood bisque bisk so one more the Frenchman gets will cost gets one more correction in there before passing out yeah a lot of the deleted scenes in this episode

just trimming off these extra to jokes I found, and I think they make for good improvements to the original joke. I like the correction on Bisk, though. Also, I always note that when Wiggum comes into the room, it's like an off model Freddie Quimby is standing next to him with a drink. Like, the face is not correct, but it's his same outfit, and he's holding the drink that would be the champagne, that's his alibi. Oh, yeah, I thought that was a bystander.

I think it's just a misdrawn Freddie Quimby. That's my guess, too. I don't know, but, yeah. I think it's supposed to be, like, them showing. oh well there's the alibi right there he's got the drink and you'll go back and watch it and notice it but it's off models unfortunately doesn't work so here we are the commercial break ten minutes in we come back an all-time great simpson subhead chowder said wrong yeah and you know what i'm totally with marge i hope that someday evil rich people will

finally get what's coming to them i'm still waiting but you hope someday just because i know that y'all will know what I'm talking about, and I know this is maybe one of the only podcasts I can talk about this on. There's this newspaper subheadline joke that I love from The Critic, when it's his flashback episode to when he is trapped in Iraq and is saved by George Bush. And just being photographed with Jay Sherman ruins George Bush's career. And there's this newspaper headline that says something about George Bush losing the election. And the subheadline is, fat, lecherous hillbilly elected. Jordan, as you were beginning the story, I could see the headline in the headlights.

Yeah, I'm sure. It's one of my favorites. It's so good. And I think I've even called Bill Clinton that on this podcast as a reference to that headline. The paper being so mean about it and not having a photo of the guy who was just elected president. Yeah, I don't know.

Everything about that is funny. Some parts of that episode have not aged well. Comedy from 30 years ago is always ageless and timeless. That's true. Yes. especially comedy set in the Middle East. And hey, we covered it all. We covered all the critic about eight years ago on our Patreon.

So if you want to hear an episode for every episode of the critic, even the bad webisodes, we went that far. Oh, that's right, the bad webisodes. You know, credit to the creators that they put those webisodes on the DVDs. They could have pretended they didn't exist. They were honest and put the complete series on those DVDs. This is where Bart starts getting nervous and points out, see, no witnesses. is, I take this as a mean joke about late era peanuts.

Oh, sure. This caused me to look up the peanuts for that day. So in the May 5th, 1994 edition of Peanuts, these are very easy to look up, by the way. We see Woodstock canoeing in a bird bath and Snoopy-ass Woodstock, are you paddling upstream or downstream? And if you want to know the shocking conclusion in that third panel, look it up for yourselves, everybody. What a cliffhanger.

He would draw the last strip and drop dead in about six years. So he was not at his peak, unfortunately. And I love Turtle Films and Peanuts. Oh, sure, yeah. So then Bart has to finally admit to Lisa that he knows. And then we also have it tied up perfectly about, like, why he won't tell anybody else about it in our next clip. Lisa, I got to tell somebody.

I was at the Quimby compound yesterday when that frog waiter got whacked. I know that Freddie Quimby is innocent. You're a witness? Bart, you have to tell the police. I can't. Why? Bart Simpson, I know you cut school yesterday, and as soon as I can prove it, I'm shipping you off to the Christian Military Reform School. What he said?

Oh, I see. If you testify, Skinner will know you skip school. Well, if Freddy Quimby didn't do it, I'm sure he'll be found innocent by a fair and impartial jury. Oh, jury duty! I'll see that Quimby kid hang for this. I knew it's a bad idea to watch him up in the mail. What a perfect joke about joke staging. There's no reason for them to be sitting there other than to make it funny when it cuts to them. But Lisa told Bart like,

hey, it'll be fun to watch them open the mail. Let's do that. And in the original script, the line for Christian Military Reform School was the Academy of Scavenging and Menial Arts. A good line, too. A good line, too. That's pretty good.

I like how all the descriptors are the worst kind of schools you were threatened to be sent to as a child. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I was reminded of the military school threat from Bill and Ted when I watched this of like that was always like what would happen to you if you were a bad kid. Yeah, I wonder what is there precedent for this? What was the first instance of threatening a kid with military school? I know in The Simpsons at least, it was a season one runner for Skinner that he always wanted to get Bart out of school to transfer him to deport him, et cetera, that they lost.

So maybe they're going back to that idea with this story. You know, it's funny. Swartzwolder is like one of the few remaining season one writers in season five. And it also, now you mention it, in his Wacking Day episode that Swartzwolder wrote, that was the payoff of Skinner finally expels Bart from school. And so this is like back to the expulsion storyline. This bit here too that Homer is going to be on the jury. This is where, in my mind, if you mash together Homer and Bart's conundrums in this, you get to the plot of the Clint Eastwood film, juror number two. I think. Hey, yeah.

Is that a spoiler? Maybe it's not a spoiler. I don't think it is. I haven't seen it, but it's delightful if that's true. Okay. Yeah, no more spoilers than that, but it's a drama about somebody on a jury

who has problems. It's like, yeah. Actually, I thought it over, Henry. It's not a spoiler. We're okay. Okay, cool. Recently, me and Bob chatted about how I'm very spoilerphobic in my letterbox

to the point where I wouldn't name a cast member in a movie, a letter box. One of the principal cast, by the way. Yeah, sure. The publicly available list that is on the posters and in the trailers and all those things but I was like, is this a spoiler?

Like so... People can't know that Tom Holland is in this Spider-Man movie. He might have been secretly recast. Yes, well, I mean, that Spider-Man, honestly, it did feel like for two whole weeks, I was like, can I, is it okay to say that there's two other Spider-Man in this Spider-Man

movie? When is this public knowledge? Yeah, they definitely, that was definitely like the worst kept secret. I feel like we all knew was going to happen. But I think I remember seeing that movie with a like very not online friend who was like kind of impressed and like blown away a little bit when the, you know, Toby Spidey and the Andrew Spidey came through the portal. So, you know, I guess it's all relative how online you are. This is where we then get the trial news that, yes, foreshadows like this is the beginning of the

foreshadowing of the OJ trial to me in this episode for sure. We get a rare appearance of Scott Christian as he's introducing Kent Brockman in a quick little clip here. Let's go over to the county courthouse live to Kent Brockman. Ackman, just outside the county courtroom where an argument about chowder has spilled over into the biggest trial in Springfield history. Behind these doors, a federal judge will ladle out steaming bowls of rich, creamy justice in a case the media have dubbed, Beat Up Waiter. This reporter suggested Waitergate, but was shouted down at the press club.

Now it's illegal to televise court proceedings in this state. So we'll have to be quiet. No. Yeah, Scott Christian, this is a second to last appearance in the classic era. He'll be back in Radioactive Man. And there's a tiny little reference microscopic in this Brockman segment. I only know about it because of the commentary in that Kent Brockman's name getting chopped up because they're cutting to him and he's getting into a segment too early.

It's a reference to the Bob and Ray character, Wally Balloo. Bob and Ray were classic comedy duo, of course, Bob Elliott, the father of Chris Elliott, the grandfather of Abby Elliot. It's a comedy family. And the Wally Blue character, a similar thing would happen to him when they would cut to him live doing a broadcast. He would always have his name chopped off at the very beginning. Yes, Bob, you found a great clip of him being introduced by Jane Curtin from an old 70s TV special here. Since this is a live broadcast, the Finley News team is able to bring you up to the minute fast-breaking story. Our crack correspondent Wally Ballou, winner of 13 Diction Awards, two of which were cufflinks, was in Times Square today and had this report. So come in, please, Wally Ballou. Lee Ballou here at Times Square, ready for any fast-breaking news story that may take place. And it's the great Bob Elliott. I love him so much.

Or get a life episode because he was Chris Peterson's dad on that show. But yeah, this is part of a special called Bob and Ray, Jane Lerner. reign and Gilda that aired in 1979. It's all on YouTube. And of course, you can look up all the old Bob and Ray stuff on YouTube as well. But classic comedy team. This is great. I didn't know that any of this was a reference. This is why this podcast is an invaluable resource. Thank you. And Simpsons Hardcores will recognize that Wally Blue voice as the Box Factory voice

that owner that Dan Castleneta was imitating too. Great imitation. Bob Elliott has an amazing voice. R. AP. Yeah, Bob Elliott, like Bob and Ray were, that's what the comedy nerds older, 20, 40 years older than us. Like, if you were too young, like Monty Python was for the comedy nerds, the generation right after

the Bob and Ray nerds, I think. Yeah, the Ackman, like, such a good. I mean, it's just funny. I just thought of that as like, well, yeah, that's just a joke about how, like, live television is, or instead, it was a specific reference to Bob and Ray. And now, I also do like how there's a joke about writing because he's like,

my suggestion, Waitergate was shouted down. Like, it's a joke he's man that is like, a better joke and nobody used that. Right. Yeah, something maybe somebody pitched in the room that they thought was too on the nose. I like Kent's suggestion, but I also like that they went with a much clunkier term that we never hear again. It reminds me of another kind of Kent Brockman like thinking he's too professional joke of, you know, who shot Mr. Burns when Smithers is coming out of the courtroom and the other reporter says, who are you? Where are you going? And Kit Brockman's like, oh, do your research. Yes. It's the idea of someone yelling, who are you and where are

you going at someone in hopes that it will produce a news story. Yeah, such a funny idea. But Brockman is ready to break the law on television. We're just really funny. Oh, yeah. I know. We had so many trials of the century back then. It's so, it is so wild to think this was before OJ that all of these like tropes of the courtroom circus and the sequestered jury and stuff like that were all. Yeah, so wild that this was all pre OJ because you think of those so much as tropes of that. And there was a lot of jury duty humor at the time. The Polly Shore movie, would release in 1995 and I never had to serve. I had to go in twice for those opportunities where they make you go in and if you have to serve, you'll be called. But people seem to hate it.

Maybe I just hated every office job, but I always wanted to get out of those jobs and do jury duty. Yeah, I know, right? It kind of seems like fun. I've also been called, but not selected for a jury. And in L.A., the like jury area you have to report to is right next to Grand Central Market, which is this big market with all these like food stalls and stuff like that. And so when I've gone down there. It's always like, yeah, lunch at Grand Central Market. And you get like 15 bucks or something to spend. So yeah, the thought of like being on a trial and getting to eat at Grand Central Market every day is kind of fun for me. So that's why I think I would be a great jury. Yeah, the last time I was called for jury duty when I still lived in America was

the third week of March 2020. And I couldn't make it for some reason. Something came up. Man. Doctors appointment. Yeah, something like that. A lot of people had doctors appointments that day. A lot of doctor's appointments, yeah. Very busy, very busy week for doctors. I count myself lucky I've not had to, I've never even been called it. I've heard Nick Weiger recount

recently serving on a jury duty and having to under oath basically have to say, I am a podcaster as part of the jury. That seems rough to do. I don't know. I know. I'll just say that I'm in audio. I'm a creative, I would say. Now, here's where there's another big deleted scene

that I am so glad is on the DVD because there's only so many lines we have of Phil Hartman playing Lionel Hutz, and this deleted scene gives you one new one. So you may be asking yourself, why is Lionel Hutz a bad lawyer working for this guy? Like, what's going on in this case? Well, the deleted scene explains it as we enter the courtroom. Look, kids, there's your father. You should be proud. He's part of the judicial process. Hey, look, there's a dozen of us. We're like a carton of eggs, and some of us are cracked. I want to go home.

Relax, Freddie. I fixed it so they've got the most incompetent prosecutor in the bi-state area. Look at them over there. They look like a carton of eggs. I want to go home. Yes, this explains why Lionel Hutz is the Miles Edgeworth and not the Phoenix right of this scenario. That's a perfect analogy that everyone will understand. Everyone understands.

They better. Yes, we all. It's all very clear now. I love bi-state area. That's funny. I haven't heard these deleted scenes. This is so cool to get to hear these. I love, they're not doing enough in the episode about how Quimby has his finger on the scale for this. Like, we see bribery soon, but that's kind of it. Yeah.

Also, this is where you can note that it's the voice of the blue-haired lawyer, but it's not the design of the blue-haired lawyer. Yeah, I'm not sure if we see this guy again, but I love how they essentially gave the blue-haired lawyer a yuppie body. Yeah, he's a little more. more stylish. She's got these kind of like fun frames and this fun haircut. I do feel like this character pops back up later. But yeah, you're right. It is just the same voice as the other lawyer

but it's a different guy. The super nerdy solution might be that internally the blue-haired lawyer was known as Burns's lawyer. So maybe somebody thought well, we can't just have Burns' lawyer represent somebody else. So they just applied the same voice to a new character. Who knows? Well, the character design team had bigger budgets

and more time back then. They're like, we'll design a new guy instead going like, can we just Can we just do the blue-haired lawyer again? That design's approved. And this is where they have a cute little joke. The stenographer is Matt Graining. I do think he never likes when they put him in the show. This was not a graining recommendation, I don't think.

Does he not? I hadn't heard that he doesn't like appearing in the show. He often complains that he's like, hey, that looks like an artist drew their girlfriend into a scene or whatever. So I think in general he does not like cameo appearances like that. Okay. He's always kind of funny when he pops up and does a, you know, his own voice. I'm thinking, I mean, I'm thinking of the Bimon sci-fi-con episode where, anyway, he plays himself. Anyway, I was kind of like it when he pops up.

Well, I still haven't asked for a clipping of his beard yet when I've seen him in Rare Republic. He had the chance. This is where the trial begins, and there's a good joke that, for such a broad French stereotype, that it is a shock when the lawyer uses anti-immigrant sentiment against him. He wasn't even born in this country, and nobody can believe this extreme French waiter was important. You tell me everything. Now, here's another deleted bit from the script that I can see that they maybe cut it because it's too dark, that Wiggum takes the stand.

He says that he found, first he says, I planted, or I mean, I found five dead bodies in Mr. LaCost's home. Like, so they're planting evidence on Mr. Lacoste here. Also, we see that Moe takes the stand. Mo is not filthy enough of a character yet that he's not a terrible character witness. He's not written darkly enough yet. I love his little bow tie he wears to go on the stand. I love that he kind of dressed up for court and he wears a bow tie. I feel like that's a very Schwarzwelder's sentiment, too, of like, you know, one of them loser countries.

That's just what Schwarzwelder says, legitimate. I hate to go back, but we did miss the fact that Bart can read Skinner and Homer's thoughts. No, thank you, Bob. Sorry. We can't rigorously go over every joke, but it's such a standout to me. I apologize for rewinding here. I got the clip. We got to listen to this. You are correct. I know you can read my thoughts, Bart. Just a little reminder, if I find out you cut class, your ass is mine.

Yes, you heard me. I think words I would never say. I know you can read my thoughts, boy. Miam, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum. I intend to prove that Freddie Quimby is totally innocent. First of all, his accuser is a very shady character. That way to Mr. LeCourse not only wasn't born in Springfield, he wasn't even born in this country.

From now on, you tell me everything. We don't need to say anything else because we went over the scene, but I just love the idea that Bart can read their thoughts. Never came up before. It hasn't come up since. And Skinner is willing to break a few rules when it comes to telepathy. Right. And the Homer thing, again, just like such funny weirdo logic there. Like, is he doing the Meow Mix theme song for Bart's benefit?

Or is that just what's going through his head? Yes, so many, like, funny questions because of that joke. When I was a kid, I thought it was a new commercial like the Meow Mix theme because it was a current commercial when we were kids. But then later I learned that was like a throwback commercial. It was the song in the 70s for it. The song does have lyrics. But then I think when we were kids, it was just.

cats meowing to the tune, right? But it's like, Meow Mix, please deliver. Yeah, I think I recall Dr. Evil singing that and maybe the second Austin Powers movie with Mr. Biblesworth. You're right. Singing commercials is always funny. This is the next episode of Simpsons is the Armour Hot Dogs plus Chicken Tonight thing.

So this is like the era of repeating commercials on the show. And hey, this is part of that great punch-up thing when you can see the original script. In the original script, Homer just sings the Calliopee music, you know, do-do-do-d-do-do-do-do that he did. ballet. I think the meomics is a better choice. Do we need Klaus von Buello Corner? I think the kids need

to know about it. When they're chewing their gum and do whatever else they're doing, sticking at places, they should know about Klaus von Buello because that's what Bart says. The system works just as Klaus von Buello. So British socialite, he was tried for the attempted murder of his wife on two separate occasions for

1979 and 1980. So he was sentenced to 30 years, but he appealed the decision and his legal team is crazy. So his legal team was People's hero, Alan Dershowitz, Jim Kramer, the mad money guy, and Elliot Spitzer, if you don't remember him, later in life, he'd become a politician embroiled in scandal because in 2008 he paid for sex workers with campaign funds, and there were more sex worker scandals after that. And there's a very famous photo of him admitting to this at a press conference where he appears to be eating his own face. And his wife is standing next to him and he just sucked in as much lip as possible because he can't stand the embarrassment and the guilt. Yes, Elliot Spitzer and Jim Kramer, were Harvard law school students at the time. And you can watch all of this go down in the great 1990 movie Reversal of Fortune starring Jeremy's Iron.

And in fact, the Lion King references that because when Simba says, Uncle Scar, you're so weird, Scar replies, you have no idea. That you have no idea line is from Reversal of Fortune when Alan Dershowitz says a similar thing. Like, you're a very unusual man, Mr. Von Bulow. So there you have it.

Nope, this is great. Again, I didn't know any of this. What a treat to be able to listen. as a kid the line flew over my head it was like reversal of fortune was just a few years before this so it was a relatively known thing and jeremy iron sorry jeremy's iron thank you he won an oscar for it so it was a very like well-known role i think of that movie only in our pals on choppo traphouse reviewed it and the reversal fortune film through the lens of the very trustworthy alan dershowitz and why it because it's based on his book he wrote the book on it that they then adapt into the movie That's why, like, Alan Dershowitz is like the hero of reversal of fortune, which is an insane thing to say. And now he's so disgraced, he can't even buy pierogies anymore. Well, you know what, Klaus von Buello, Alan Dershowitz, RFK Jr., they have so much in common.

You know, their ex-wives died in totally normal ways, and I'll just say that. Period on that sins. Don't go to Wikipedia because it was so normal. You don't have to look it up. I'm just worried about Cheryl Hines. I'm sure her death will be normal as well. We can only hope. Also, there was a great joke they cut from the script, too,

and Mo gets the money handed off to him. You may see in the episode the courtroom keeps reacting to things and saying funny things. They cut this bit where they go like, wow, he gets his laundry delivered. What a clean man. I like the logo says about a dollar sign. Such a good joke. Yeah, we get only like a few little murmurings from the audience. And also our clip stravaganza here, I can't thank you for reminding me of the

Now Mix 1, Bob, but I also cannot resist hearing any time Lionel Hutz talks because he is the greatest and the funniest. You see, Lisa, they don't need my testimony. Only because Mayor Quimby's buying his nephew's freedom. Ah, the system works. Just as Klaus von Bulow. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to prove to you not only that Freddie Quimby is guilty, but that he is also innocent of not being guilty. I refer you to my expert witness, Dr. Hibbert.

Well, only one or two million people. has what we call the evil gene. Hitler had it. Walt Disney had it. And Freddie Quimby has it. Thank you, Dr. Hibbert. I rest my case. You rest your case?

What? Oh, no. I thought that was just a figure of speech. Case closed. I'm surprised. This isn't as big as Nazi Superman are our superiors, but saying Walt Disney and Hitler are genetically similar is surprising to see he still on Disney Plus. has not been removed. But, yes, innocent of not being guilty.

I mean, you can write anything like him, like case closed. Like, Phil Harmon was the greatest and everything he says is funny. That's so good. Also, maybe a funny little version of that later on in the episode after Freddie Quimby blows up and the other lawyer goes, wow, that didn't go well, I rest my case. Yes, no follow-ups, no nothing. He just goes like, well, oh, well. Just very matter of fact about it.

Yeah. In the original script, Hutz actually takes Lacost on the stand. And while trying to interview him well, he says he gets mad that Lacost won't make that popping noise with his mouth that French waiters make. And then he goes like, I, it's probably guilty. This episode, Apu is blowing up everyone's spot. He's taddling on Homer. And later, he gets into it with Skinner in a way that does remind me of his Billy and the

Clonosaurus argument. This is the brief era of Apu the pedant, isn't it? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Homer constantly, the removing of the glasses, that's great. He's like, oh, it sounds like they're just replaying the same sound over and over too. It's such a funny choice that the glasses have slightly different designs, that the eyes are open a different amount on each of the glasses. Yeah, I don't know, just a funny, weird choice.

I mean, it's also great writing that his lawyer even goes, I've so fully proven it he doesn't need to take the stand, but obviously going to just so you can all bask in his gentle spirit. Yeah. And it's also funny when you know the ending, Freddie Quimby actually is innocent He's not lying on the stand But he comes off like he's lying

And then instead of telling the truth He gets so angry at hearing chowder He says he will kill the jury Yeah, especially those of you on the jury Well, that didn't go well This is where the jury decides They're going to get out of there in time This feels like them mocking the fact

That NBC had two different cute animals Supporting their shows at the time Yes, this is the most 1993 joke ever written Because Frazier was new that season And so was Sequest And in case you don't know what Sequest is, it was a underwater Star Trek show that aired on NBC for three seasons. And I guess it's on Peacock if you want to give Peacock your money. I was going to say, yeah, it maybe hasn't endured in the same way that Frazier has because it doesn't help people fall asleep.

So, yeah, maybe that's why Sequest hasn't stuck around like Frazier has. When it comes to 90s network sci-fi shows, I'm more of a sliders guy. Oh, you're Sliders guy. I've been putting sliders on in my downtime. It's on Pluto, believe it or not. it's free. They're just giving sliders away. No, I don't. Hold on. That doesn't track. And you can definitely tell when they just film everything on the Universal Backlot.

It's just overturn a few parts. The tram goes by and some shots. They don't bother to paint it out. The mountains are always in the background. That's funny too because Sequest was filmed in Orlando, or at least some of it was. Because when I took a tour, the Orlando studio as a little kid at like 93 on their tram tour, they're like, they had almost nothing to talk about. They're like, oh, and here's where Sequest films. They're off for the summer.

but this is Z-Quest. And the dolphin on that program named Darwin, I know because a friend and I like to make fun of it and its weird voice. Did it have a voice? Was it like, did you talk with a human voice? I think it was voiced by Frank Welker. It had a very slimery voice.

The Meatwad style voice. Not to keep plugging free with ads, the podcast on Maximum Fun, but we recently watched Anaconda, the 90s snake movie starring JLo and John Voight, a more scintillating on-screen pair there never was and the giant sometimes CGI sometimes robotic snake implausibly has this scream that it does

I guess you know at some point someone said this silent snake isn't scary enough it needs to be just constantly making this weird noise those weird noises provided by Frank Welker so I love that they just called the voice of Scooby-Doo in and says what would a snake sound like if it made any noise at all and he went and they just looped it constantly throughout that movie. That was around the time he was getting too expensive for The Simpsons to use. Oh, yeah? What is he? I didn't know he appeared in The Simpsons.

Where does he pop up? Whenever there be an animal heavy episode, like one featuring Santa's Little Helper, they would often bring in Frank Welker to do all the animal noises. But then I think they realize Dan Castaneda can also do them. Not as good, but still very funny. So we don't need to hire somebody else for this role. It is funny that at one point there were more expensive voice actors than the Simpsons' voice. actors who now are probably the primary expense of the show. But yeah, wild that they're like,

we can't afford Welker anymore. That's so funny. Frank Welker, he raised his quote with Anaconda, and then he comes in there with his big Anaconda like suit on. Right. His Anaconda crew jacket. Mark Evaneer, the comic writer and also TV, our cartoon writer, he said, he has this great line about Frank Welker where he says, what everybody does is voice casting. They interview 500 people, and then they hire Frank Welker. That's what you always end up doing in animation. And now Eric Bousa, I guess, right? That's the...

He's in pretty much everything these days, Bousa. It's like, he covers most of the Mel Blank Looney Tunes. For a while, it was like five different people are the Melblank Looney Tunes, but now in the same show, he can be bugs, porky, daffy, Sylvester, at the very least. He's so good. I think, you know, despite being kind of shunted around

in a weird way by Warner Brothers, I think all the modern Looney Tune stuff is great. I have not seen the new Space Jam. I'm talking about like the shorts and the day the Earth blew up. I haven't seen the space jam. Yeah, I think Bousa is great. And I think that like it is a shame that Warner Brothers, whose checks and health insurance, I'm sure loving,

shunts Looney Tunes around in this way because, yeah, I think it's so funny. I think they're doing such a good job with it. Yeah, I think now all the old shorts off max and on Tooby now, something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The new Bowser shorts, you can. still watch on HBO Max. But yeah, Tooby for all your classic Looney Tunes. It's good that it's still out there somewhere.

And maybe Toobie is kind of a good place for it. So maybe kids will stream it over and over again. Who knows? But anyways, Looney Tunes are funny, is my point. And in 2026, Catchup Entertainment's going to give us the Coyote versus Acme that finally is going to come out. Yeah, I know. I'm so excited.

It's such a treat. We're going to get to see that. I can't wait. Yeah, I'm sure you've talked about it on this show. We'll also stump for the day the Earth blew up. I think it's really, really great. I wonder if it was at NBC, if it was like edict from some executive of like there was one exec always pushing like put a cute animal in this because they're doing this joke about how two different shows on NBC have a cute animal in it. And then by December of 1994, months after this episode airs, is the first Marcel episode on Friends in season one. Oh, interesting. I didn't even think of Marcel as a, you know, trying to jump on a bandwagon of cute animals on your sitcom. I mean, Eddie mania cannot be undersold.

I mean, we as a country were crazy for Eddie. Eddie was everywhere. So, yeah, this joke even landed to me, a kid who kind of sort of didn't know what Frazier was. I was like, oh, yeah, that dog that's everywhere. Oh, man, now I'm remembering Murray, the dog from Mad About You. Yeah, that's right. There was a Man About You dog. Was he a Corgi?

I know that Hank Azaria's character gave him walks all the time, but I can't remember that. I can't imagine the dog breed now. Well, I think, like, Frazier, it caused a lot of people to buy Jack Russell Terriers without understanding that they're little maniacs. And then it's sort of like how when that 101 Dalmatians movie came out, people didn't know that Dalmatians also have the evil gene. So a lot of families bought those. Do they? Are Dalmatians like? They're pretty crazy because I think of all the inbreeding.

Many jokes have been made about how inbred they are. But I've been seeing one around where I live. And it's like the first time I've seen a Dalmatian in maybe like 30 years. I'm like, well, people are still buying these. And yes, it's insane. Like if you go within 30 feet of it, it is like lunging at you. Wow, okay. I grew up with the Dalmatian from like birth to age six

and Jenny was a very nice dog but deaf. That was her problem. Yes. This is where Bart is learning, you know, a horrible yet innocent person will go to jail. It's an interesting like moral conundrum for Bart to have. And I love his vision of the future that, you know, Skinner threatens him.

He imagines that he will end up as the future lunch lady Doris for futuristic for like Jimbo Jr. Oh, I love this. Again, my junior high buddy, Mike Nguyen and I would just say to each other, this creamed corn tastes like creamed crap. Watch the potty mouth. Honey. It wasn't honey. And yeah, the like, again, just like speaking to this is Bart's imagination.

Like, what does Bart imagine? Jimbo Jr. having that weird Jetson's hat is so fun. It's just a great little detail. And yeah, just like speaks to what is happening in Bart's head. It's like, to him, that is the future. You have that weird Jetson's hat. And yeah, I love that he's got that lunch lady Doris voice. It's so good.

This is the one time where we cut away from a bleak future and Bart doesn't think it's cool. And one of the things I notice is the real Jeffrey Lynch touch is that we get basically three transitions from scene to scene centered around a character. So we see Skinner in the jury box. The scene transforms around him. He's now a judge. Sentences Bart. Bart then transforms into the lunch lady Doris man and then back into Bart on the stand all in these three different transitions which they don't need to do that but it's like i'm sure it took a lot of work too but it's just

another added touch to how visually interesting this episode is that is such a good catch there bob of it like you're used to just like and you know fade or whatever or just like a cross dissolve or something but to put the editing in the that like that's a decision at storyboard level by geoffrey lynch and his team the original script this though is where bart's vision is instead the him being in the academy of scavenging and menial arts and he's in a sludge pit taking plumbing 101. This is where Bart is prompted to tell the judge the truth, and he just turns it into talking about chicks on the bench.

Jalisa just has to laugh off. On the commentary, they joke that they call it one of their best act breaks to go out on chicks on the bench, them saying that it's not joking that it's kind of a weak act break. We come back and now it's where it turns into 12 angry men, but only for a very lazy man. As Homer learns a lot of new words, actually, in our next clip. Who might bother voting? He's guilty. Well, we might as well make it official. What does sequestered mean?

If the jury is deadlocked, they're put up in a hotel together so they can't communicate with the outside world. What does deadlocked mean? It's when the jury can't agree on a verdict. Uh-huh. And if? A conjunction meaning in the event that or unconditioned that. So if we don't all vote the same way, we'll be deadlocked and have to be sequestered in the Springfield Palace, That's not gonna happen, Homer. Let's vote.

My liver is failing. Where we'll get? A free room. Free food, free swimming pool, free HBO. Ooh, free Willie! Justice is not a frivolous thing, Simpson. It has little, if anything, to do with a disobedient whale. Now let's vote.

Are the rest of you voting? Guilty. Okay, fine. How many S is an innocent? No. I'm only doing what I think is right. I believe Freddie Quimby should walk out of here. A free hotel.

you talk about Jordan talking with your friends like I think I took that cadence into my real life of repeating back things to like so if we're going to go to this place for lunch then we'll order I mean and Skinner having the dictionary definition of if at the ready it's fucking great him not questioning why Homer doesn't know what if means is so great and yeah just another great little 90s poll making fun a free willie what a treat to remember when Free Willy Mania swept to the nation. It is one of those franchises that has like a surprising amount of sequels.

It's like one of those like Land Before Time where you're like, oh yeah, they like cranked these out. There are four Free Willy movies and the subtitle of the last one is Escape from Pirates Cove. Oh, geez. So at some point, the Free Willy franchise gets pirates.

Is that by Maca Mountain? Is it like near? Yeah. Oh yeah. You can do them both in. one day, if you really plan it well, if you get to Mega Mountain right for the rope drop, you could make it to Pirates

Cove before the end of the day. It feels like these final sequels have to name drop a place you've never heard of because it's not real. Right. Just to make you intriguing. Like, oh, I got to learn about this Pirates Cove. It's a third or fourth one of these. We've got to let people know they're going somewhere. Right. They're not just staying in their... Free Willey's not just going

to hang around in his usual tank. He's going to adventure to Pirates Cove. I do wonder, like, after you freed him, the first time. How many more times you got a free? It's the whale's fault. It's Willie's fault for getting captured. This free Willie joke, it also is like, this is them being about as recent as they can be because the script date I had was the end of September. So it's only a few months old and not even on VHS yet, I don't think, when they're doing this rep.

And it's about a director's cut. And that was a fairly new idea for most people who didn't have laser discs. In fact, I think the Blade Runner director's cut came out in 91. And I'm sure that's the first time most people heard about that concept. Yeah. Also very funny that in this pamphlet the Homer is reading that explains their jury, you know, perks, what is playing at the hotel is on there? It does apparently have a menu of movies that was real. That is great that it has the like, it seems to come with the brochure for the hotel

inside the sequester listing, yes. Yeah, I mean, in the day of like HBO in a hotel room being, like a real treat. I definitely remember like when you check into a hotel that has HBO and there was a little pamphlet near the TV that like talked about

all the shit that was going to be on HBO while you were staying there. Yeah, a ton of fun. I understand why Homer's excited here. You know, if your family didn't get HBO, what a treat to be staying in an HBO hotel. And now Homer can be excited to get HBO Max with Jellystone on it.

That's right. Yes, Homer can watch Jellystone. I'm sure he'd love it. Though, I guess, now wouldn't the laws on sequestering take away your phone too like that would make sequestering a lot harder i would think sure yeah but you know maybe a nice phone detox i think we all could do less social media and less scrolling so maybe it'd be good for us to get a little sequestered and reset our brains homer becomes roommates with skinner in another this is back-to-back clips here

that are both perfect one continues a running gag we've been noticing in the show at this point instead of writing a joke characters just yell shut up at you yes especially homer we're kind of like the original odd couple you're the messy one and i'm shut up oh yes very well so bart have your insides been gnawed away by guilt yet sell it a homework sis you're looking at a cucumber boy as in cool as a next on mcarnigle McGarnigle is sprained for a crime he didn't commit. And only one weakness can clear his name. A little sissy boy who's too scared to come forward.

You got to tell him what you saw, Billy. But I'm so scared, McGarnacle. You got to do this one for me, Billy. McGarnacle. Okay. For you, McGarnigal. Well, McGarnigal, Billy is dead. They slit his throat from here to ear.

Hey, I'm trying. Trying to eat lunch here. Love that that violent show comes on right after a teen scratchy. McGarnigle, yeah. I think this was their McBain replacement because in 1991, someone actually made a MacBain movie, so they wanted to shy away from using that name. Yeah, that's right. It's like a Christopher Walken action movie.

I think Rift Tracks might have covered it at some point. We heard McGarnigle before because he did not appear, but Homer and the family, they were watching McGarnigle at the end of Bart's and her child. It felt like a very heavily rewritten ADR. ending that replaced whatever they had originally. Yeah, I love this, and I wish we had more McGarnigle because it's great. I love Dan Castellana's Clinton-Ewood impression, and just we didn't have anything with McBain in it following this for a while, I feel. Yeah, I like this too. And you can tell they realized they struck gold with the name McGarnigle. Like, it is so funny and so

fun to say. I love how often they say it back to back here. Kind of reminded me of the recent season of righteous gemstones where one of the characters creates a show about teen Jesus and they call it teen gist so like obviously that is a funny name in the same mold as magarnagal and they just say teen just all the time and you can tell it's like internal love for that name like everybody thinks it's funny anyway so magarnagal teen just two two hilarious names and i really think we need to bring back the Clint eastwood impression because i just saw the good bad and the ugly and the theater for the first time. I've seen it before, but I got the theater experience, and it's funny

because apparently Clint Eastwood did not want to make a third one of these, but they bribed him enough, but you can tell because most of his dialogue is him saying, okay, or, all right, to other characters. So now to make my wife laugh if she asked me if I want to do something, I will go, and that's it.

They credit George Meyer for coming up with the name of Garnigal, which they must have done that, like, very late ADR. Actually, yeah, now based on the timeline, The script is late September 93. That is right around when they would have aired the episode where they put in Barts and her child the McGarnigle all ADR joke, right? Yeah, I think they had written this McGarnigal scene first

and then thought this could be a runner. Let's just, we need an ending for this episode. Let's just do ADR with them watching McGarigal and Homer getting mad at the fictional police chief. Just the rep four times in a row, they all say it. And also that on an ad for a TV show, they would reveal that a child had his throat slit and murder. Yeah, grisly death for a little Timmy or Billy or whatever his name is.

Very funny that this, I guess in the world of the show is just a promo. I think in my mind, I'm like, oh, well, we're just getting a truncated timeline of Bart watching this episode. But yes, I guess if you are just watching this and taking the timeline at face value, this is just all in the commercial. The commercials, watch this. A child is murder. I love that McCarnigal It's just eating lunch In his boss's office It's a big sandwich

Yeah he also doesn't care That the kid was murdered On his behalf either Like Doesn't care Hey speaking of eating food You may notice in this scene Bart is eating a candy bar

And there's a deleted line From the script That makes me wonder if they animated it So Lisa says Have your insides been not away at yet And Bart says Nah it's just a butter finger Oh

That's good That's good. I wish they would have made it. They lead to, it followed up with another joke in the episode where Bart does have his change of heart. And he says his insides feel worse. So he has his change of heart. But then on the TV as he walks out of the room, Kent Brockman says, it's revealed that people have been eating counterfeit butterfingers shipped in from Mexico that make it feel like you're guilty. Yeah, you know what? I'm looking at, Frankie, I'm looking at the scene here. That does look remarkably like a butterfinger. So even saying it sucks is too.

close to the product placement of Butterfinger in the episode if they were to do it. It also makes me wonder, Bart and Homer, if you watch the scene, Homer, when he says, shut up, he's eating a candy bar and then Bart's eating a candy bar in the very next shot. So I wonder if that's like meant to mirror in a way. I wonder. Oh, and also, McGarnigle, that scene was reenacted perfectly by our friends at Chapo Trap House for our 10th anniversary that Bob set up, which was really great. Yes, thanks, guys.

I got a kick out of that one. So then we do see Homer watching the director's cut of Free Willy where a child crushed and like what a crazy ending that would actually be yeah i guess they didn't want to show the crushing in 2004 on the commentary they said well we probably do it now but it felt a little too extreme back then and i assume this is an idea that david murkin had for a sketch show the edge perhaps and it was just too expensive to put on the screen i didn't know about david murkin's sketch yes right before the simpsons he had a sketch show with an insane cast it had julie it had Wayne Knight, Jennifer Aniston, Tom Kenney, Jill Talley.

Who else is on this show, Henry? Did I miss anyone? Those are the five. I can't think of another one on it. George Meyer was a writer for it, as were others too. Oh, okay. Completely lost the time, but I remember it being very mean and very funny. It was canceled partially because he was too mean about Torrey Spelling. And Aaron Spelling told people at Fox executives, hey, I don't like this. Then Merkin moved over to The Simpsons.

If they hadn't written such a mean sketch about Tori Spelling, would David Merkin have been free to be the fifth season and six seasons showrunner on The Simpsons? I wonder. You know, today, Tori Spelling's a podcaster. Where's David Merkin? The country wants to know. He probably also has a podcast, honestly.

If he does, then I'm going to use that as leverage to try to... He's been a white whale of ours for an interview, and if he had a podcast to promote, I think we'd get him. I think we'd finally... We're only missing two... No, sorry, three showrunners. We've had half the showrunners. But this is where they actually cut a lot more sequestering stuff.

There's one deleted scene here. Skinner is asleep in having Vietnam flashbacks. They're on black pajamas. The choppers are going home. Oh, and Crockites turning against us. Watch out, Lieutenant. The VC are coming. Open fire him.

Man. Bubba-bub-bub-bub-bub-bub-bub-bub-bub-bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb. Get him, get him. Is Homer eating popcorn in that deleted scene, Henry? I believe so, yes, yeah. That's so funny. I've never heard that before. Dark, I mean, that is very darkly funny.

I kind of understand why you would cut that. But, man, it's a good joke. It's very good animation, too. Skinner is grabbing the blanket and, like, moving it back and forth like it's a machine gun, he's firing, or like, like, the stationary gun. Oh, right. So great. And in the script, they cut two other jokes. about because you may wonder like now in the show if they did a jury duty scene

every member of the jury would be a named character because they just love it there's like but in this one there's like three bystanders but then the rest of the jury is named characters and they cut a joke where up who is missing being at the quickie mart that he's like trying to do his quickie mark job out the window of his hotel room to people on the street and then there's a very strange joke with patty is there but not selma and patty is on the phone with selma and they're talking about how their hair is falling out or a toenail is falling off. They're slowly decomposing by not being in the same room. Very odd.

It's a fun bit of Patty and Selma lore. I guess you don't see them apart that off. Hey, speaking of Bouvier family lore, this is where Marge gets her big scene in the episode. As Bart has a question. Mom, what if there's a really bad, crummy guy who's going to jail, but I know he's innocent? Well, Bart, your Uncle Arthur used to have a saying. Shoot them all and let God sort him out. Unfortunately, one day he put his theory into practice.

It took 75 federal marshals to bring him down. Now, let's never speak of him again. Mom. Mom. Mom, what if I can get this guy off the hook? Should I do it? I? You should listen to your heart, and not the voices. in your head like a certain uncle

did one grade December morn Marge is carrying a lot of secret trauma we learned here yeah grade December morn is such a funny way to say that too it kind of implies that there's like a song or a poem about what went on Uncle Arthur he is part of the Simpsons Wiki

we have never seen this mass shooting on an episode thankfully they'll get to it and listen they got to call everything Back. Mass shooting jokes way funnier in 1994. I don't know why. Yeah. You know, the shoot them all and let God sort them out. That was a t-shirt that I bought at an Army surplus store as a punk rock teen, thinking it was kind of like, you know, funny and ironic. Now I realized like, oh, walking around in that, you know, was kind of fucked up. But yeah, that was, I definitely remember that slogan as a, it's a perfect punk teen choice. It's a great punk teen choice. Like, yeah, yeah, you know, definitely punk teen behavior. kind of, you know, finding something kitsy and weird and that flies that's the opposite of your politics and

wearing it in order to shock people. But yeah, you know, would I do it again? I wonder if this is also like, obviously there's many mass shootings even then that they, well, there weren't too many, but I do wonder if this is another call back to the Bell Tower one that they already did in the Ned's fantasy of there's Homer.

There's Homer, too. Could be. It could be like one of like the five mass shootings people knew about. Maybe like three. There's like the Luby's cafeteria shooting and one other. one that people had in mind. But the Marge, the way Marge starts humming and can't even hear Bart as she's cleaning like that, like, there's so much like darkness in Marge that she's like shoving down through that.

It's a wonderful, horrible joke. This is where Bart, that's finally what pushes Bart over the edge. And we see that the judge admits this obviously is unconstitutional. It's an insane thing, but she just can't say no to kids. Another great moment of the show recognizing this is not how. actual courtrooms work, but we need this for plot purposes. Yeah. Because once they both settle

their case, if there's a new witness, I don't think you would just say, well, then bring them in an appeal, but this is over. Like, you closed your case. This is where Bart takes the stand, and he says what happened, and yeah, Lynch, and this is in the script, all of the stage directions of what really happened are there, and Lynch and his team

perfectly laid out everything Swartzweiler writes of what really happens. But it's so great, it starts with him saying, I'm going to enjoy this, he means, I'm going to enjoy drinking champagne and walks away. Yes. And then the waiter has a real like Roger Rabbit style, Rube Goldberg pain scene happening here.

Yes. Yeah, it does work so perfectly as like a joke about slapstick, but also just the pure slapstick of it works. Like it is funny as parody and it also just like funny, you know, funny on its own. Yeah, this is such a funny, great piece of cartooning. Every angle, the way, I think my favorite of them in how it's animated is, While he has both hands mangled in two different things, he then falls perfectly into the oven with his head.

Yes. It's a great pose on him when he falls into the open oven. And so Bart reveals, and that's what really happened. And again, LeCott, just like how in a future episode, a character will say he knows he's an old Italian stereotype. Lacost is like, I'm not some clumsy Cluzo-esque way to have. And that's also great animation. the way his legs are tangled in that chair. Like, I love how that's animated.

He fell into the rat trap room and then fell into the rat trap truck. Caution Open roof. Since 1989, it says on the truck. This is where the case is dismissed. And that's what really happened. This is an outrage. I am not a clumsy, Cluzzo-esque waiter. I will win.

Atlas, there were no big ones. How could you have seen all this, Bart? Weren't you supposed to be in school? I sort of skipped school. I knew it. I knew you'd slip up sooner or later, Simpson. What slip up? What are you talking about? He confessed it. Quiet, I need this. This court finds Freddie Quimby innocent of all charges.

Case dismissed. Yeah, I really love it. Like I said earlier, Poo getting on Skinner's case about this. It's like right after the Billy and the Clonosaurus debacle. What do you mean, slip up? He confess. Like, yeah, that Skinner has to admit, I need this. Like, we'll learn in the next scene.

He's a very petty man. Small, petty man. And yeah, very funny that no one cares that this guy fell out the window. They're just now focused on whether or not Bart skipped school. Like such a funny, just like non-acknowledgement that he's the main character of the show. And now we're just all focused on if and what. why Bart skipped school. The defendant just fell out the window seemingly to his death,

but no one cares. Yeah. So this is where there's the last deleted scene, which I'll play before he played the last clip, but it's basically after the bit about detention, this is where Freddie Quimby comes back out and sees LaCost there. Get this little moment here.

Say Chowda, you bastard. Say Chowda. Hey, ow! Stop hitting me. I'm an influential. Ow! Ow! So once they get outside the courthouse,

Quimby starts actually doing what he was accused of and is then arrested for it. That's really funny. Yeah. I know, because that is kind of like a little bit of a bummer of the episode is that this like shitty guy gets away with it. That would have been a fun little nugget to see you get his comeuppance. Yeah, watching the deleted scene,

it looks like there were some animation errors or it didn't come out the way they wanted to. So instead of having to pay to reanimate It's a very complicated scene with a lot of characters. They chose to cut it off where they did. It is satisfying to watch a bunch of cops beat up Freddie Quimby righteously, but it sadly is a more accurate satire that like, and then Freddie Quimby goes on to be a horrible person

and has no social consequences for it even. The way this episode ends, it does remind me of Bart the murderer where Bart says, well, I guess crime doesn't pay and he watches Fat Tony, he'd go away in his limo. Right. This is where they do dodge what would be a happy ending in other sitcom. Bart, I'm impressed with what you did in there. You testified for the Quimby boy, even though it was putting your own head in a noose.

On the other hand, you skipped school. I guess the two things cancel each other out, huh? I'm a small man in some ways, Bart. A small, petty man. Three months detention. Oh. Wait a minute, Bart. Make that four months detention.

Well, March, it was horrible. Everyone was against me in that jury room. But I stood by the courage of my convictions, and I prevailed. And that's why we had Chinese food for lunch. Good for you, homie. You know, a lot of things happen around here while you were gone. Great, March. I want to hear all about it. Give me those.

Oh. And those. Oh. And those. Oh. and then some silence before the music cuts in. Yeah. Yeah, they do call that on the commentary.

It's like, we're just ending with crickets. I guess you do hear the soundbed of crickets. Yes, yeah, yeah. But just hearing the, oh, oh. And they are a little bit different, though. I think that at least one of those is a unique. Oh. That last one did sound a little different.

Also, I love the design of their home or bedroom now being packed with every possible thing Homer could steal. I mean, I forgot to mention you too, but Homer, lowering the table out of the room and it crushing Barney is another great joke too. Yeah, now their walls are covered in just the bad, cheesy hotel art. Oh, and he also stole Skinner's tie

saying it was also a souvenir. They expect you to take it. That's the episode, a great, silly, silly episode with so many great deleted, like, it must be over two minutes of just deleted full animation in the episode, let alone like multiple great cut lines from the script that's out there, too.

Like, this, it's an episode overstuffed with goodness. Yeah, very funny. Lots of great timeless bits came out of it. You'll see in memes today. And like I said earlier, we forget, because we've seen it so much, this is actually a pretty good mystery, and the reveal is satisfying and interesting and unique. So I like that aspect of it as well,

even though I know it back to front so much. Yeah, I mean, it's terrific. So Schwartzwaldrean, I think, the popular term. Yeah, it's great. And I think, Bob, you kind of, like alluded to this at the start of the conversation, but like, I think this episode gets lost in the shuffle when you talk about great Golden Arrow Simpson's episodes, but it's so fucking funny. Yeah, all this stuff works so well. There's 50 quotable lines in it. What a terrific

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We finished a whole summer of Disney aughts as part of another summer of Disney awesomeness. And now this month you're going to hear us talk about the Lego movie, a very important film in animation history that kind of changed things for Sony animation and brought us into the world of Spider-Verse and K-pop Demon Hunters and all that stuff. And that's just the most recent one. We have done years and years of what a cartoon movies.

200 plus hours of those there for sure. Us going deep into tons of Disney film Studio Ghibli, some live action adaptations of animation too, even junk like Cool World and our longest podcast ever six and a half hours about who framed Roger Rabbit. It's all there for you to listen to in addition to all the ad-free, early things Bob mentioned at the $5 level,

head over to Patreon.com slash Talking Simpsons to see all of the stuff you're missing out on. And I've been one of your host, Bob Mackey. You can find me on Blue Sky and Letterbox and many other places as Bob Servo. My other podcast, by the way, is Retronauts. It's a classic gaming podcast about old video games. Find that wherever you find podcasts, or go to patreon.com slash Retronauts and get some bonus stuff there. And also my book that I wrote myself is now available again on all major platforms like Amazon. This is the boss fight books, oral history of the classic 1993 point and click adventure game, Day of the Tenticle.

So please check that out wherever you buy books. It's available. Henry, how about you? You can find me on Blue Sky and Instagram as Talking Henry. And if you're following us on those places and other places, you should also be following at Talk Simpsons Pod. At Talk Simpsons Pod keeps you up to date on whenever we have new podcasts, whenever we have new things going on on the Patreon,

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