Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - The Dad Who Knew Too Little With Django Gold

Episode Date: October 18, 2023

It's Lisa's birthday once more and for this special occasion we welcomed first-time guest, comedian Django Gold, who just released the new stand-up special Bag of Tricks! It's a truly wild ep this week as Homer is a thoughtless gift giver which leads him to pay a sleazy man to follow her, with it all coming to a head in a deadly hall of mirrors chase. All that, plus laser pointer history, the influence of Snow Dogs, and tons more on this week's podcast! Support this podcast and get over 150 bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking simpsons head there to check out exclusive podcasts like talking futurama talk king of the hill the what a cartoon movie podcast and tons more. I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, where we prefer illusion to despair. I'm one of your hosts, the crotch-dot survivor, Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today, as always? Lover of McNuggets and magazines, Henry Gilbert. And who is our special guest on the line?

Hi, everyone. My name is Django Gold. My favorite cigar size is Robusto. And this week's episode is The Dad Who Knew Too Little. This was today? The girl was supposed to call. Oh, let's get this over with. That was what happened when we actually started the

call with chango i'm sorry to reveal that uh this week's episode originally aired on january 5th 2003 and as always henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history oh my god oh boy bobby kangaroo jack tops the box office. The Supreme Court deems Congress extending copyright terms as constitutional and on Comedy Central, Chappelle Show debuts. So yeah, it's a big, big week here. A lot of counter-programming. So this is also the start of 2003, and Kangaroo Jack just gets like dumped. It was a shock hit in the start of 2003.

Like January is usually just when they dump anything and it's an amazing scam that they pulled. I don't know if you guys know your Kangaroo Jack history. Oh, I know the scam because a similar movie played the same scam a year prior, but it was miscommunicating what the movie actually was about, right Henry? Yes, yeah, yeah.

So basically Kangaroo Jack was filmed as a pg-13 basically midnight run in australia was how it set up it's for michael bay's production company and all this so and jerry o'connell and anthony anderson are supposed to like be scoping out bodacious babes and swearing at each other and having silly uh you know pg-13 adventures but then they realize they're kidnapping a kangaroo and they're like if we could add one scene to this that's like three minutes long of a kangaroo dancing and talking in a dream sequence then we cut that out make this movie pg and trick children into thinking it's a kid's movie and it works crafty have you guys seen this movie i've never seen it but i'm guessing it's like 82 minutes

long right we could knock it out during this podcast yeah i'll just put it on the background and we can all pause when he starts rapping yeah he uh and he just sings like it's set like the oldest of right i think it's rapper's delight is what he parodies in it too and it's yeah i'm sure all of the talking kangaroo jack footage was in the commercials now a similar not a similar kind of movie but a movie played a similar trick the previous year the film snow dogs with cinematic hero cuba gooding jr uh he's been up to some fun things lately anyhow uh in the ads they only played the clip or they focused on the one clip where like he hits his head or he gets drunk i don't know what happens in the movie but at some

point the dogs start talking to him but they don't talk throughout the rest of the movie it's it's a dream sequence it's a fantasy sequence so much like kangaroo jack it was sold uh that people were sold a bill of lies bill of false goods it's funny you mentioned snow dogs bob because that is that was in an la times article like a month after kangaroo jack was a big hit and they're like okay what happened and one of the stories they report on is that like the head of warner brothers is leaving a showing of like a test screening and he sees an ad for snow dogs or like a poster for snow dogs like hey wait a minute we should do that so yeah wow wow what crafty crafty deception you have all these disappointed kids showing up on their birthday parties hoping to see the fun kangaroo movie.

It's just like this weird, like, kind of almost drama. I feel for parents who have to be like, oh, I guess this has, like, several. According to that LA Times article, there's several, like, boob jokes in it. Like, there's a joke where they accidentally grope a woman in the movie. And they're like, I would feel for a parent to take that. Yes. Yeah. Is that sort of like how Ace Ventura was conceived as a R-rated comedy?

But then because kids loved In Living Color and Jim Carrey, they kind of busted it down to PG-13, which is why he's getting his dick sucked in that movie. And it's just why it ends with a horrifying transphobic joke. Yeah. Marketing geniuses. and it's just why it ends with a horrifying transphobic joke. I think so, yeah. Marketing geniuses. And yeah, we have SCOTUS upholding the extension of copyright terms. Still a problem to stay. In this decade, Mickey Mouse, or at least Steamboat Willie,

is supposed to finally enter public domain. We'll see if it gets punted again, as it has for the last 30 years of pretty much all of our lifetimes. Man, that would be a huge loss for disney if they lose mickey mouse public domain i cannot imagine what people are going to do with that mouse it'll sort of be like winnie the pooh though i feel once that enters public domain it'll be like here's the fucked up steamboat willie right it'd be funny too if it was like no it can only be steamboat willie it can't be any other version of mickey's public domain just steamboat willie must be whistling a jaunty tune at all times or else then it is the the copywritten mickey mouse that disney owns so if he ever stops whistling then it's not steamboat willie and then we have the debut of chapelle's show which i only feel safe now saying

i never liked it i had to keep that a secret for years, but I never did. I just felt, I mean, I understand the value of the show and everything, but it was not the kind of sketch comedy I like. And the kind of comedy I like is not when they explain the sketch to you before they show it. That's not my kind of thing. Now that you mention it,

that was kind of a weird aspect of it. It was like, the theme of this one will be... Yeah, and the show had musical guests, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's also how you pad out a show and you didn't have to write a third as many sketches, I think, too. Yeah, it's a 20-minute long show, and there's maybe like 15 episodes. I feel like so much time was wasted with musical acts.

Sorry, I'm the stinker on this podcast. But now he's like hanging out with Elon Musk, so it's totally cool to just like Chappelle's show. Yeah, yeah. History bore you out, yeah. Yeah, hey, well, I was a fan then. I really enjoyed the chappelle show me and my friends watched it a million times like it was one of those early well i mean the internet was pretty established by 2003 but not the internet like we know it but chappelle's show

definitely was one of those like check this shit out from a sketch like you would share share yeah yeah yeah it was raunchy you know henry i only like sketch shows where uh participants were at january 6th that's what qualifies a good sketch show for me it's a classic sketch show if one of the guys was january 6th yeah i think chapelle might be close to getting there at this point i'd say if there's another january 6th i would not i would not put it past him to be in attendance but but no i mean chapelle show like especially for say if you're a stand-up comedian i would think back back then 20 years ago pretty a pretty influential show yeah i mean from what i recall it was like the first time like you really ever saw like serious issues of race being like really ruthlessly like discussed and mocked you know even living color wasn't doing that yeah i uh i also

think on chappelle show how it compares to simpsons is that i was just reminding this like for a little while simpsons season one was the highest selling like dvd tv show ever but then chapelle season one beat it like it was like i don't know if it still holds a record but it was the first season and second season soon after highest selling like dvds of of the TV show ever. Comedy Central probably got to run three extra years just based on the success of those DVDs. Yeah. And I recall it was like a party DVD.

You came over to a party and it's just like, oh, we just have it on in the background. Just put it on play all and just have it playing the whole time. And then fall asleep to the menu much later in the night as it loops. But joining us this time is first-time guest Django Gold. He is a comedy writer and star of the new stand-up comedy special Bag of Tricks. Welcome to the show, Django. Thanks for having me, fellas. Well, and Django, yeah, me and Bob are just telling you off mic how much we enjoyed your new special that's on your YouTube channel,

the Bag of Tricks. Like, mocking libertarians and masturbating gamers like that's you know it's it's two sides of the same coin sometimes but i yeah it might be the same the same side of the same coin in many cases but yeah thanks for watching i put a lot of time into it i'm glad i don't i don't want to give away any jokes jango but the special has forever changed the way I will describe having fallen asleep. That's all I'm going to say. There you go. That's a nice little teaser for all you viewers out there.

If you want to know what Bob's talking about, Bag of Tricks, available now on YouTube. And, I mean, how long had that been a priority for you? Was this your first, like, full hour special? It was, and it kind of came together kind of haphazardly. I never originally wanted to do one of these just because so many people make them. And it felt like, you know, like why spend all this time on something

that's just gonna be like a drop of water in the ocean. My friend, Pat Bircher, who's also a very funny comedian, he was saying, oh yeah, you make an album, you start getting a little bit passive income on SiriusXM. And then I was like, money! So that kind of inspired me to do it in the first place. But then like, as I started spending time,

I was like, oh, this should be good. It should look good. It should be original. It should be in my voice. It should be an expression of what I want comedy to be. So I started taking it more and more seriously as the process went on. And then the ultimate product, I think, really reflects what I wanted it to be. Yeah, I was going to say, if people think when I said, oh, it's on your YouTube channel,

it's like, this is not you on, like, this is not a static camera and you just talking into this real special jango was not in his car right ranting about the government during this special no we had putting a lot of production into it we had four cameras two tapings it turned out to be a big deal and the guys who put together my directors and the editor and dick are just really made like a beautiful visual experience that does justice to the jokes and jango too like in your career you were a writer for late night colbert show and i was curious if that ever brought you into contact with anybody in like the world of simpsons that one did not but when i was working at the onion we did an event that brought us in contact with rob lezebnik who was one of the

current writers there so i know i know rob dec well. We also did an event with George Meyer. George Meyer that I was sadly absent for, but every other Onion writer except myself got to go to some cool party at his house, and I was out of town, so I missed the damn thing. So occasionally we'd cross paths, but we'd love to have met George Meyer or even Schwarzwalder.

Oh, my God. Both have evaded us so far. Oh, they have? They're not ignoring your emails? Bastards. I think I live in the same town as George Myers So I'm planning on stalking him Yes Stalking George and John

Well you know what the caricature of him You know what the caricature of him from 1992 looks like So just find that man Slightly grayer But with a bucket hat That's one 30 years older than that Oh yeah the bucket hat That's right

But Django what is your history with the show? Like I assume that but with a bucket hat 30 years older than that oh yeah the bucket that's right that's right but Django what is your history with the show like I assume stealing alive or Bob Riesley but we're all white men of a certain age so I would assume it's kind of kind of similar pretty universal I mean it harkens back to the day when there was nothing on television except two syndicated episodes of the Simpsons every single day so like most people of our demographic yeah I watched two episodes of the Simpsons every day for like seven straight years or something like that so i'm pretty pretty well versed in it was always my favorite show like a lot of my sense of humor and like writing draws from it for sure i can always hear myself saying things that are

phrased in a way that kind of like evokes the episodes of the simpsons i watched carabith it's kind of a fun thing to do if you guys ever pay attention to how you're talking you will often find your language is somehow conforming or like falls into like these it's kind of like kind of the rhythm of like a simpsons joke it's weird yes even words like yes and no become simpsons references at this point in our lives i guess i mean that type of thing yeah well also that's got to be you know when you enter the world of professional comedy like in a writer's room at the onion or or colbert how do you not when you enter the world of professional comedy like in a writer's room at the onion or or colbert how do you not just you probably have to stop yourself sometimes like yeah that's a funny i oh wait i i'm just remembering an episode of the simpsons yeah yeah yeah i don't know if

that would happen as often but one thing i always would notice is that because we've all seen the simpsons we're all speaking like the shorthand of like quotes you know so you can just say these small little quotes that are small references of the simpsons and no one even like comments on them because they're so well ingrained in your like your argot you don't even like really consider them even jokes anymore they're just kind of like how you talk like so many phrases and i wish i could think of one in specific because i never can but like so many phrases are just kind of part of our language now in a way we don't even notice it's really insane to think of something like that having such a widespread influence over not just us as fans and viewers, but it really just seeps into who we are in so many ways.

Well, you know, this episode, I'm going to say at the start here about this one, I think this might be my favorite script we've seen in a while. I think this is a well-written episode of Simpsons by season 14 standard. Yeah, some preamble stuff. This won a Writer's Guild Award, and The Simpsons was nominated 14 standard. Yeah, some preamble stuff. This won a Writer's Guild Award. And The Simpsons was nominated two other times in this category, which seems kind of unfair because the other two noms for the show were

Mo' Baby Blues, which I think is actually a better episode than this one, but I do like this one, Henry. And also, let's see, My Mother the Carjacker, which is the return of Homer's mother. Yeah, but also Futurama episode The Sting was nominated, which I think should have won. That episode is awesome. Not to tear down an episode I was just building up.

I mean, both very quality. And then also King of the Hill, Reborn to be Wild, another good one. And then some Jimmy Neutron crap. Who cares about that? Boy, I'm shocked that Jimmy Neutron was a WGA show and could be nominated. I'm surprised. Yeah, actually me too now that you mentioned it but yeah award winning matt selman on the commentary talks about being there but he

only remembers uh drunkenly slurring a joke about how marge simpson was the original whale rider because the little girl from whale rider was giving the award to him oh man that's so they keep mocking him because it's like you're saying this sex joke in front of a 13-year-old girl about her movie. Django, you've written for an award show. How would you say that's quality of award show banter, that whale rider pun? I think that's pretty solid. But my only question is, I mean, I guess back in 2004, 2003, people would definitely remember whale rider. But you said those two words and it took a while to pierce my memory banks.

Like, what the hell is whale rider? Now I'm sort of vaguely thinking of what it is and literally it is a film about a person who rides a whale if i recall correctly how they how they pull that off perhaps the freedom i'm not sure yeah it was big hit in new zealand that's all i know but yeah kasha castle hughes like she she's still she was in a couple seasons of game of thrones like she's, she's not one of those like child actors. You never hear of again, but definitely her career peaked as an Oscar nominated child actor. I think she was 12 when she filmed it.

I'd be curious how they pulled off the whale writing sequences. Cause it's just definitely a lot of union rules that you say you can't have a 12 year old girl strapped to a crushing whale. Well, who knows the rules in New Zealand, you know? I don't know. That's true, that's true. Yeah, this episode, Henry, though, you're saying it's a good script,

and I feel like this is Al Jean, who has taken over the show in season 13 again. He was a classic showrunner. I think it's him trying to get down to the roots after promising to do that for about a year. Because this one reminds me of Saturdays of Thunder, in which that episode was about Homer not understanding Bart and what he's into and this is very similar he does not understand Lisa and she's very offended by that so it's a similar story but

they find new material and because it's season 14 they go on a caper where a man is trying to murder them but it's also uh it gets down to the emotions as well yeah yeah I always like the Homer Lisa ones I think the pairing always pays off for me. Al Jean loves them too. He said it on many commentaries, and he says it on the one for this episode too, of Al Jean is a father of two daughters. He loves father-daughter stories.

They do touch him in a certain way, which is sweet. And we've talked about, I also felt a certain level of satisfaction hearing Ian Maxton Graham, who wrote the tennis episode that we dumped on for being like having no emotional core and being entirely random and kind of weak. And he just says, yeah, you know what? I wrote that tennis episode

and then I saw the script for this episode and thought, boy, I should have had some emotion in act one and grounded it in some way. And also things should follow other things logically yes yeah i think i think selman wrote a great episode i also think like some of the funniest stuff in season 14 well we've seen a lot of stuff in season 14 that feels like a writer trying to replicate john schwartzwelder who's basically pulling back from the show at this point he does still have a script this season but uh i think of anybody trying to replicate a swartz welder style script i think this one does it very good like there's some

really random crazy stuff i mean also when i saw i forgot who wrote the episode when the episode started i was like oh right it's the one with the hard-boiled detective i bet swartz welder wrote this because this is basically his frank burley character from sure sure yeah the detective detective lines are great in this one i wish i kind of wish this episode had more of the detective he's really only there in passing like a couple couple times doesn't he feel like he should be played by a celebrity by the way that yeah yeah yeah it's like hank is already doing a robert stack impression and i don't know if he was still alive but al jean talked about wanting to get stack on the show and stack was in the

beavis and butthead movie so he seemed to have a sense of humor about himself but yeah it's like designed to look like robert mitchum but uh it's a robert stack impression and it feels like they could have slotted in any older actor but maybe they ran out of time and just pulled hank in yeah and then also i think this episode looks pretty good for the time because mark kirkland he says he was very excited to do this one because he loves film noir and this gave him a whole lot of film noir to play around with so yeah but it seems to be one of the last seasons slash episodes where they're doing cell animation correct this is right after they made the transfer because this is still people are drawing pictures on paper and it's getting you know but then after that it's all

a digital process but now we're in an era of like digital tool sets and you know it all starts with drawings on storyboards but now it's just like assets kind of being moved around but we're still in the in the era of physical drawings being scanned in so it is like a uh a bridge between the two eras right now that looks great i mean i love the drawings personally i'm always yeah i from from the start of this episode i think crusty and homer are also drawn like 20 pounds heavier than they normally are when both are shirtless like they're they're bigger and funnier to me in this one uh but but yeah so the episode itself begins with a very of its time parody of cribs in pads and they were thinking about cribs a lot

of this time because this is second reference to cribs in this broadcast season yeah helter shelter marge referenced the moby episode uh no i guess the first one right or maybe the second one no it was it had to be the first because that's where he talks about his matt graining drawing that he has all right so it's kind of like a tip of the hat back to their good pal moby but now this is a more direct reference to it i i recall cribs when i pulled up some old cribs episodes to just to watch clips on them on youtube i was reminded like it's so different from how i feel like so much celeb content now is like they're just like us or look how down to earth they are they eat hot wings just like we eat hot wings but but meanwhile these ones were like look

at this mansion and this competitiveness with whose mansion looks the coolest on cribs yeah it was definitely a different era it's kind of still throwing back to lives of the rich and famous whatever that show was you know look at 50 cents dazzling nine car garage you know that type of thing yeah they'd always show off their car like i swear i saw ones where they would literally call back to other ones like Like, one guy would say, well, you saw that guy had the this year of the Lamborghini. Well, I have this one, and there's only seven of them, and I have the best. Or guys would say, we bought Cristal because we saw Nelly had Cristal in his one or whatever. But yeah, then we had the pandemic, and all the celebs are recording from their home, and they're deciding, I should probably record in the least furnished corner of my guest house just to see you down to earth.

Yeah. Where's a blank wall? Take all the awards off that wall. Just going to have a blank wall behind me. I don't really appreciate this new era where I'm supposed to pretend like Taylor Swift and I have a similar lifestyle. I don't find that as fun.

I would prefer being reminded that I'm a peon at all times. You know, superstars should act like superstars sometimes or at least like you know remind like don't waste time acting like you're not worth a billion dollars and aren't a normal person that's yeah we need to start tracking their private jets again i need to know this information where is nelly as we speak but yes this is when uh we get a tour of uh crusty's pad which yeah i like i also like that they write crusty is like a 70 year old man being asked to be on cribs who's like i don't know this the girl is supposed to call like he's just he's just pissed off and then and we see the photo of

him with bett midler from the crusty gets canceled episode in season four though that him with nixon thing it's them just pulling from the same elvis with nixon photo they already did a thing with with burns and the germans though that was 11 years ago at the time this episode aired so i guess and i mean not to be a stickler but they do try to remember what is on crusty's chest but they missed the kettle skull birthmark so we have superfluous nipple and pacemaker scars so they at least went that far and they don't always do that oh yeah did you see it no i'm just saying just saying, like, naughty, naughty. They got caught by the nerd police. Also, when they mentioned Don Adams and Shelley Winter basically having sex,

they were still alive when this episode aired, which I was like, wow, I figured they'd only make that joke about dead celebs. We're not going to pour over every joke, but I do like Krusty's lack of a punch line where he's like it should be in a museum but museums don't want it you think there's going to be like the museum of disgusting objects you think there's going to be another like a good punch line but he just is like but they don't want it and then they move on to the next scene anti-punch line and we get to see his pool full of shrimp shells because he doesn't swim but yeah then we get elliot gould's

appearance here which aljean says they got him because he sent them a but yeah then we get elliot gould's appearance here which yeah aljean says they got him because he sent them a nice letter in season two because in the prom flashback a character says i wouldn't go out with you if you were elliot gould barney so now he's finally they're finally calling in their favor hell yeah and we are all familiar now with the classic tv guide cover in which elliot gould is there with grover and it looks like they just had sex yeah the post-coital puppet it's adorable sex shoot elliot gould's fun you still see him around and stuff i just saw him in the like they did a new five timers club sketch on snl this year for because mulaney hit five times and so gould was

there and you know he's live tv might not be the best for Ellie Gould but it was nice to see him no he was having a really bad early aughts because he was in the sitcom Baby Bob which was starring the talking baby mascot for a free internet company I think that was the uh the character yeah so it was in line with the the future Geico cavemen show or whatever where it's like people seem to like the baby what if elliot gould talked to it and i think we watch clips of that henry and it's mostly just uh reaction shots of the baby or like people talking to a baby who doesn't understand what's happening right right yeah that's boy that's really sad i forgot that

about elliot gould that's sad i just want to remember the good times he i mean not long after no wait it was before this. He's in the First Oceans movies, right? Yeah, that's pre-9-11 is First Oceans, isn't it? Pretty close. I'm on the Wikipedia page for Baby Bob. Season two, episode one. Title of the episode is Rush Limbob.

Oh, no. Does he become a shock jock? Who knows? I have a suspicion this show is near impossible to find online you think that but then i bet some psychopath has 4k uploads on youtube that have 26 views each probably yeah yeah by the real baby bob it feels like a parody of reality tv editing that they show the same shot of mr teeny remorseful twice like how i think it's not them being lazy it's them saying like yeah

this is how they edit stuff on reality shows yeah if you show it twice it's half as much footage you had to shoot in the first place he references bob carroll ted and alice a big hit in 1969 when i heard about it i was like oh it's a it's a movie about partner swapping but it's like this i think this is why it was a hit it teases it but but by the end, they realize they don't want a partner swap, and they don't even do it. So you don't even have a wife swap scenario in this wife swap movie. Yeah. Yeah, there's more multiple people in bed in Willy Wonka compared to that movie. Because I remember the poster for that movie is all of the characters in bed together, right?

Yeah. Typical Kangaroo Jack deception. You're right. It's just like Kangarooaroo jack there was no rap sequence in it either but it was a big hit in 69 now it feels like it's a movie that isn't remembered by anybody it's like not in retrospectives or anything but yeah it's uh apparently that's what he calls uh his two hands and his two feet when beating up somebody but so then all of that tv show this also lets you know it's an aljean one because somebody watches a tv show and then a new tv show tells them what the plot of the episode is to start it sure but this you know what they've done some

commercial parodies this season this is one of my favorites they've done this whole season here i'll play it in our first clip here. Dear Diary, I have a crush on Kenny. Ha! That's me! You would like me, loser! Girls, don't let this happen to you. Get the Turbo Diary from Girl Tech. No one can read your secrets,

except you. Unauthorized user. Access denied. Turbo Diary, I love that I bought you. Get your Turbo Diary from Girl Tech. Girl Tech is a division of Boy Tech. Hey, I could really use one of those. No arguments here. Man, I really come off like a jerk in this thing.

Turbo Diary, I love that I bought you. What a great line. That is such a good line. I really come off like a jerk in this thing. Turbo Diary, I love that I bought you. Like, what a great line. That is such a good line. That's a very funny riff on it. Some of you didn't realize it was a trope until they said it. I think one of the writers had a little girl who had one of these, and the diary was voice activated. That's how it unlocked, and the password was girlsrule.

But it rarely actually understood what you were saying so he would hear his daughter in the other room going girls rule ah girls rule ah just like trying to open her diary but it wouldn't open so uh matt sellman is upset he did not use that in the actual episode it's uh i also like being teased like you would like me loser like that's very similar nelson voicing on that too it is uh yeah it's a tween nelson or actually i guess nelson is a tween it's a teen nelson then also the great design of the boy tech logo smashing over the girl tech logo i also like that but yeah i so i i looked into this too i okay, what, like you can buy these secret diary things now. Like also there's 8 million apps called like girls secret diary that are all just, you know, an app that is face locked and everything.

I wonder like do tweens today even need a secret diary when they just post everything on social media? Yeah. I don't see kids taking the time to write down their thoughts and feelings all day when they can just put on Facebook. No child uses it anymore. They're monetizing those secret beliefs and thoughts. Yeah, exactly. Why would you write something nobody sees? What's the use of that in today's social economy?

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like it but it's just like march here just saying not commented upon that she shared a diary with her uncle i was like oh all right there's just so many like jake what a weird line uh and uh you know we've been talking about this a lot lately but here's another moment of it this is another joke at disney's expense i don't think you'd see on the show today i don't know absolutely not they would be in the store saying what amazing deals so the sign out front on the mall says now disney store free and this is about real life because starting in the year 2000 the disney store which had a good 90s started to decline and they were closing stores and you know people who want to kick disney when they're down a good reaction to have you shouldn't want to do that they're making fun of how disney is failing

and like they by 2021 there are no more disney stores uh so i don't even remember remember this they sold like mickey mouse like mugs and, man, you didn't have a Disney store? Well, it was an event to go to the Disney store in my mall. What was it? Wow. That somehow wiped my memory along with Whale Rider. All of the tastemakers were at the Warner Brothers store, though. They were buying their embroidered Pinky and the Brain jean jackets.

Oh, man, I wish I had a Warner Brothers store. The videos I saw of those Warner Brothers stores look so cool. Like, for instance, you go in an elevator and Superman is underneath the elevator, so it looks like he's pushing it up as you go. That's cool. It's cool shit like that. But no, we didn't have that. But the Disney store was fun.

Basically, it was just like being at a Disneylandneyland gift shop except it's in your mall wow like that and it was about 90 stuffed animals from what i remember in my mall a lot of stuffed animals yeah i remember some t-shirts and i definitely remember getting a darkwing duck action figure there i remember doing that r.i.p the disney store is no longer and not even internationally apparently they they had a big thing i went to a disney store in tokyo one time because that's where you could buy the disneyland tokyo tickets but now you can't do that anymore i'm gonna have to find a new way to buy tickets when i visit tokyo but uh but yeah what trip to japan is complete without visiting the same amusement park you have

back in the u.s, they have flavored popcorn. Oh, it's so much more. Sure, you can flavor it at home, but, you know, it's not the same. Where's the fun? Where's the fun in that? So then after a quick bit of Homer eating a bunch of free samples, which we've seen the free samples thing before with him, though never before has he eaten pants and then insulted Indian food,

which that feels very 2000. I homer would like indian food and actually i ordered it after i watched the episode because it made me want fucking samosas and stuff it feels like someone had a real axe to grind with indian food on the writing staff because it does feel like we're not supposed to laugh and say ha ha what a weird thing to think it's more of like an aside to the camera yeah saying am i right folks we're supposed to be with Homer. Yeah, we're supposed to agree that Homer is right. Like, you know, it is pretty gross Indian food. Disgusting.

Yeah. Maybe it was just a bad thing to order when you're writing a sitcom. Like, just mounds and mounds of Indian food. Well, there's also the episode early on where it was the Afghan food. A restaurant called Two Guys from Kabul. And it's also the same thing where no one's ordering it and but they don't really make fun of it the quality of it as much as they make fun of it being unpopular which i guess is a slight distinction to make art and lisa did love it once they got it but how how much indian food is ordered in in writer's rooms these days

uh gotta come to think of it it's not that easy because you the ideal writer's room lunch is like a wrap or something it's self-contained and easy doesn't require everyone to gather in a room and spoon you know sog paneer onto a plate like ideally you want everything self-contained so you have pizza and sandwiches and shit that's that's a reason those are the most commonplace items well i i also do like how homer basically pulls the zipper out of his mouth like it's a fishbowl like basically he's heathcliff with a fishbone oh yeah you know what i never thought of that it echoes crusty with his shrimp tails so so homer tries to buy the diary but the last one gets bought by burns he's got an enemy's list just like nixon a continual reference in the show i wish he had

something a little funnier than kingston trio it's okay yeah i can tell this is up so they worked hard on this episode but they weren't staying up until 3 a.m because the toy store is just called toys oh yeah there's some funny kiosk names when homer's walking through yeah but yeah i guess they saved all that juice for the kiosk names yeah kiosk got the main rewrite pad uh yeah so homer gets zapped he can't get it from burns this is is when we have a Tickle Me Krusty joke, which this shows you how long the show's been on the air, man. Well, first off, they can make a joke that, hey, here's an old toy from 1999,

which is when Simpsons was entering season 10 in 1999. And they referenced it before in 1997, Miracle on Evergreen Terrace. So it also shows you how humor had changed in five years because in that original episode millhouse gets one he tickles the crusty doll and eventually crusty says hey get your finger out of there yeah so in 1997 the joke is don't touch my butthole but then in 2002 is the joke is let me show you my penis yeah right so it just shows you show style yeah we we are in the like freddy gets fingered era of comedy

and uh you know they're stepping up their game a bit simpsons is not immune from larger trends no i mean they got to keep up we said it before they got to keep up with south park and family guy they got to get filthier that's that's their that's their competition now and we'll also like crusty is telling children to eat their mother's medicine as well like just take so but homer passes that up they pass by my favorite of the kiosks is cumbersome keychains because i i enjoy having a weighty keychain in my pocket it doesn't i if i have too few yeah my pocket then i forget my keys if you see henry on the street you may think he's a janitor yeah yeah it makes you feel like a man having a big wad of keys. Exactly.

You know, my husband was just recently saying, like, you could lose a couple of these keys. I'm like, no. I might lose one someday. Same with, like, I might need my, I might need all the stuff that's in my wallet. It should be triple the size of your wallet. That's what I think. Yeah. But yeah, so this is when uh homer runs into mall

flanders the reference to the classic literature this is when uh just like with diaries i think there are 8 000 apps like this too that are just put you in a story like yeah these are just like instagram filters now yeah and you can see a lot of things that are similar to this on youtube like you can see a lot of music video kiosks uh people have uploaded those i have not found any of these and i was doing some searching on youtube but i know this was a thing these personalized videos but it was more thing you had to send away for it and not a thing you got made at a mall i also remember these being around i remember the plot of the movie red dragon is that he works the killer spoiler works at one of these places where he's like assembling like one

of these types of videos but i don't remember ever actually using or getting one of these maybe maybe i was just kind of out of the loop i got a storybook version of one of these as a little kid i do remember it was a send away from like a fruit roll-ups thing and basically it just says like say you're a boy or a girl and then say tell us your name and it's just like max went to the fruit roll-up planet and took the fruit roll-ups home and it they did have space aliens i think in that book and in this version they pick space alien or they pick astronaut because that is a genderless suit so it works for boys and girls you don't have to draw two versions of it well now i was just thinking of

the birthday boy sketch about whoosh yes yeah with all the kid names in it it does feel special my mom also does i've gotten e-gift e-cards from my mom wishing me happy birthday from like william shatner sings happy birthday to you and then he doesn't say 800 names for it but basically the background singers did you know they say henry or other names and then it's just like william shatner says happy birthday and then the background singers say henry what a treat actually jango did you growing up have bort style problems with getting personalized items with your name i never once saw jango one and then recently i was in croatia which is kind of close geographically where like the providence of my

name is and i was like going through like the tourist like gift shops there looking for jango and i still didn't find one so i don't know what else i have to do to this point i'm not i'm not going custom made you did hear her mom saying come along jangoo jangoo no yeah jangoo jangoo would be nice i would accept jangoo i would change the spelling of my name for that so yeah they we we get to see the gift that flanders made for todd which is a rod it's not todd see i'm goofing up looks like the writers on the show sometimes even but it's rod and this is where we learned that rod has diabetes which is new information yeah he's so uninteresting that one of his hobbies is having

a disease a condition a condition yeah i also like that kirkland and his team did a good job with bad animation with like bad a few lip flaps and it's like one frame every 12 every two seconds or something yeah yeah that was definitely realistic to like these crappy like self-made things and with this one and the lisa one i do appreciate the good bad writing of shoehorning in these facts about the star because they have nothing to do with the story at all and it's great just how uh superficial they are and yeah selman says he got this idea on an airplane like seeing it in an ad back then he was not a parent at the time and he sees the ads back for one of these on one on any flight so he's like oh i'm gonna save that

and so there's one deleted scene in the uh the episode secret deleted scene in the dvd but basically after homer says he's gonna follow he says stupid flanders you're a genius then he's gonna buy it and he's gonna buy it from the yes man you know the guy goes yes but the first guy he talks to is hank azaria doing the yes man and then dan castlonetta shows up as as an identical yes man to say wait i was going to help them and it's it's a very weird scene that apparently there's two of the same guy in town oh that's weird the version of the episode i watched did not have that scene i wonder if i watched some kind of weird syndication cut oh no this is hidden on the dvd you can only it's a

hidden scene i bet i missed that part sorry about that there are secret hidden yes men in every dvd so then also taking us back to the turn of the century we got laser pointer comedy i you know laser pointers must still exist but they they have to have been really cracked down on it at live events and all that because i remember seeing seeing them everywhere in classrooms in my high school, which I was out of high school by 2003. But the laser pointers were bedeviling teachers who had to have a very strict policy on them. So this was of the time. Yeah, it's one of those things that you can't really anticipate much longevity for a toy that's just a dot. You know, I don't really see that lasting more than a few years before kids move on to something more exciting than a dot and we've learned that they give animals schizophrenia so you shouldn't

use the one oh no jesus christ i'm exaggerating of course but i think it does make them go insane yeah i guess i guess there's a hidden dark side to shining a light in an animal's eyes all the time the most extreme pranks i've heard with laser pointers is that apparently some people have used them to blind pilots to cause like, like you go to where planes are landing and you then get at the angle to hit the pilot in the eye and could cause a crash. Like that is like a capital crime. Like people have gone to jail for real time for doing that. Well, you're just giving our listeners ideas now, Henry. No, okay. Only make it so to force your

principal to undress only do it for that reason yeah honestly i was shocked to see skinner fully get bottomless i was like wow he actually just takes off his underwear on his front lawn i feel like we should have seen his butt i i feel denied that his comedy butt during the scene yeah that's that's not very early 2000s at all i feel like skinner said some other line than or wiggum said something other than crotch dot he seems more disgusted at seeing skinner's penis perhaps something filthier but yeah so and also unlike it here we talk about how some simpsons episodes around this time have a first act that does not pay off in all these ways even this laser pointer actually pays off in the plot like it saves the day but this is when marge and homer give her a co-gift which really march should know better

than to let homer give a co-gift like she needs to see this gift before before it is given i mean even in 2003 giving a kid a vhs it's like this has to be the last year you can give a child a vhs and they'd know what it is but this is when. But this is when Lisa gets her present. I wonder what this could be. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Could it be some kind of book? Well,

yes and no. Mostly no. What? We're supposed to get her that stupid diary. But it's a personalized video about my favorite little Huh? We're supposed to get her that stupid diary! But it's a personalized video about my favorite little star, Lisa Simpson! Well, this could be fun. Let's watch it.

Howdy, partners! My name is Sheriff... Lisa Simpson! I sure am hungry for my favorite food. McNuggets. I don't like McNuggets. I'm a vegetarian. Do? And you're not going to like your other present.

Oh, man. It's such a great script idea that Homer has to give a gift that shows how thoughtless he is. But also that he, out of all the scenarios he could choose, he picks the very-pc cowboys and indians in quotes uh story where she's going to be shooting native american people as a cowboy girl cowboy yeah yeah yeah she's eventually given the quote i'll get those no good indians homer remembering the mcnuggets are also i mean him thinking that her best friend is maggie he doesn't know any of her friends and and mag i mean magazines that's a great magazines like his excitement at saying it is this so funny so yes lisa leaves in tears and another great line children

don't remember bad birthdays do they like what a good line this again this is a really well-written episode for by season 14 standards. It's a banger. Lisa already had a bad birthday because Michael Jackson was there. Well, that birthday doesn't count anymore, though. So, yeah. Yeah. Erased from history.

It's actually, at first I was thinking in this episode, why does Bart care about giving Lisa a good gift? And I remember, no, he learned his lesson from when Michael Jackson helped him give a gift when he forgot to get or something that's right continuity and i'm sure the writers were thinking of that continuity and i'm not just putting it on to the show i'm sure they were thinking the exact thing yeah 2003 a great year to remember michael jackson yes yeah he was still everyone's good graces back then right i think the new lawsuit was coming i think in 2003 so then we get some more insane stuff that's great of homer like bart still hates homer for chopping up a skateboard which he did for insurance money which again i'm like that's insane that whole line that whole set of lines is insane but i think lisa i love these questions that homer's asking her

or like answering for her but i feel like lisa would have a favorite traveling willberry i think she would too i agree i love that line and also he thinks it's jeff lynn like what a crappy answer that it's made up it's perfect he picked the traveling willberry no one remembers like yeah yes which uh in case you don't know jeff lynn is a co-founder of elo electric light orchestra so quite an accomplished musician in his own right, but not as remembered to say George Harrison or Bob Dylan. Though I didn't know that in the Wilbury world they had like character, like there's an extra level of character to it. They all have fake names in it. Like as Jeff Lynn is Otis Wilbury. I did not know this.

Oh, I see. There was simply too much cocaine. Too much cocaine yeah too much cocaine it was done in the 80s it seems like an idea you get when you're pacing around a room right no and also the sad fact that like they had to release one after roy or they didn't have to they chose to release one after roy orbison died like and so all the funny games are taken out of the traveling wilburys when roy orbison died unexpectedly? I think he is my favorite. Underrated Wilbury.

I mean, look, Roy is great. If you've asked me to pick one, I always love George Harrison. I'm going with George on this one. Where'd you get that from? You know, also with this, yeah. Only two Simpsons guest stars in the Traveling Wilburys. It's not too late. You know what?

I don't think they've gotten Bob Dylan yet. I don't think so either gotten bob dylan yet i think uh and they well they better hurry yeah but yes this was the era of cigar aficionado like this is when my dad started smoking cigars as well this was a big time for cigars in america the sopranos really rocketed them to the top yeah you know see i re-watched all sopranos it didn't make me want to smoke cigars, but I did start drinking whiskey more. Straight up whiskey. Just as Tony Soprano did. Tony Soprano's a cool guy and worth imitating.

He's a cool guy. Now, Henry, that straight up whiskey, was it honey, maple, Jim Beam? Sometimes. Just like Tony Soprano would order at the Bada Big. Flavored whiskey. Yeah, as well as party drinks. Blueberry schnapps. But yes, according to Cigar Aficionado, a Robusto is a short, fat cigar that has become the most popular cigar size in America.

So then we head to Moe's for, I have a quick clip here, but this is an insane seat at Moe's. Like every line of this, I was like, wow, this is crazy. We learn crazy facts about Carl and Moe in the same scene. Hey, Homer, you sure look sad. Yeah, at least you ain't aging six years for everyone because of your cow heart. Oh, my daughter hates me because I don't know anything about her. Ah, well, whenever I got to know something about abroad, I use this guy. This detective is unbelievable.

He can learn more about a chick by digging through one garbage can than you could from years of intimacy. He found out he was cobbling shoes for me at night. Turns out I have severe schizophrenia. Well, if hiring this guy will make Lisa like me me again then i'll do it can i get this beer to go sure maybe someday i'll turn into a swan oh god just stopping yeah i didn't know mo had a cow heart i didn't know carl severe schizophrenia. He's all new information. Yeah, I love that the foil take out swan too. I feel like it's a very Los Angeles thing to do.

I wondered when that started. I feel like I saw it on TV before I went to any place that did it. And it still felt like a rare thing. I remember having reactions like, boy, I must be at a fancy restaurant. They put it in a swan. Yeah, but then you- I've actually never seen it. You haven't seen it in the real world? No, no.

In fact, I feel like in the last maybe 10, 15 years, they put the duty of putting the leftovers in a container on you. I hate that. They just drop a box off. I hate that. Yeah. Everything's getting more laborious. It's true, yeah.

They put all the customer service on us. That's why I don't tip. No, I kid. Also, I learned an interesting thing about how you measure cow years to human years. So apparently the first year of it is crazy math. The first year of a cow equals 14 years. But then every year after that,

you count it as four human years. So, you know, I hear the same about dogs. It's not one, well, sorry, seven you count it as four human years. Wow. You know, I hear the same about dogs. It's not one, sorry, seven dog years for every one human year. They start aging faster at first, and then they start aging slower as they get older. Oh, okay. I wonder how they calculate this. So I guess then the seven years thing is more just averaging it out then, I guess? I think so, but it's like a dog hits our age 40 within the first five to seven years or whatever,

and then it's like incremental after that. I don't know if anybody actually has a cow heart, if there's been a successful. I didn't look into that one. So Homer heads over to Dexter Colt, who again does feel like he should be a celebrity. But I think Hank Azaria is always great, and he's great as this guy. And yeah, Kirkland wanted to draw him like Robert Mitchum. And this is full. I mean, one of my favorite things Bob ever wrote that was funny is his parody of a hardboiled detective.

Yes. I love this stuff so much. It's just the language never got as interesting as it did when these guys were talking. It's just so funny the way they talk and it's it's instant it's all like so peaked in like such a funny way of talking that you can find so many comedic options in it and just like especially like starting with the sign it's like please no setups and he's like all right don't frame me for a murder in this yeah it's the and it's nice that homer knows he's a character and he's enjoying the very stylized dialogue that is great

yeah like that's right homer is luxuriating and like well i met a real character today and also it's a i mean that drunk cop fired from force newspaper headline like that is a real sports welder style joke there yeah yeah the classic no not that that is like really as soon as like you may have innovated yeah i feel like i'm i at least in televised comedy i feel like you did not see that all that much in in tv comedy but uh so this is uh when he hires him and homer agrees you know what he agrees to 50 a day plus expenses you know i think homer is wrong here like he's the bad guy in this i know uh colt takes it an extra level homer should just pay this guy this is this is about how you pay freelancers it's why we pay

our editors on time instead of instead of making them hunt us down and or frame us for for crime so chunky lover 53 at all.com uh matt sellman actually registered that address and was responding to people as homer for years until he lost the address. But he explained that a lot of people, a lot of comedy writers still have AOL addresses because they got on the Internet pretty early and they can't lose that address. So I don't want to dox anyone, but some of the writers we've contacted have been at AOL.com. It has been funny to see to see writers in their 50s and 60s still with AOL ones at first. At first, I did think it was just like, well, they're just older guys. They don't know to get Gmail or whatever.

But no, now it is. I bet it is more of like, no, I've given out this email for 30 years of my professional career. I can't let somebody else take it. Yeah, you're pot committed at that point. Does Stephen Colbert have an AOL email address? Yeah, we can bleep this out. Let me read it off right now. I do like the observational thing of Homer hovering over the guy and making sure he gets the case of the email address correctly.

Because my email address is more complicated than I'd like it to be. And I have to say it and then spell it and then make sure they get everything. Because some letters sound like other ones over the phone. I thought it was very observational in this crazy scene and when you made it you weren't thinking about the consequences and now you have to live with it every single day well you know i still have a hotmail that i don't really use but it's my i have a gmail i use for real but hotmail for me is just like i don't want to give it away i i have literally have it since like 1998 i think yeah i i feel a

certain attachment to it but also chunky lover 53 then would make the news in 2008 because a uh so chunky lover 53 at aol.com that's email but in aol instant messenger or aim as i like to call it in that it was part of a big computer virus scandal in 2008 because somebody created an aim name of Chunky Lover 53 to pretend to be representing the Simpsons and say, download this executable file and you will get a secret episode that we're only giving to people on AOL. So it caused a huge Trojan virus to spread around online. The secret episode is just the blue screen. How off on guard. L card laptop not turning on so matt selman even had to he did a whole article for time magazine back in 2008 saying like i'm sorry this isn't my fault i made up chunky lover 53 for fun i didn't make this so yes we see dexter colt go to work talk also also about crazy things. So, okay. So Groundskeeper Willie's a serial killer.

Now this is a new. Sure. Sure. Moe has a cow's heart. Carl schizophrenic. Willie serial killer. Season 14. You can start injecting whatever qualities you want in your characters.

The yes man has a doppelganger apparently. And then, and then Willie has killed more. He's a strangler. And he then ran from Scotland to America. And I killed more he's a strangler and he then ran from scotland to america and i'm assuming he's still strangling people so that's uh pretty big pretty big change pretty big character development yeah so uh then meanwhile he bullies skinner by shuffling his papers and then stapling them together which that's a cute addition to it and then i swear skinner's no i think they took his

no from bart's comment when he's he's seeing that uh prez says school is for losers is that it's a lot to ask harry sheer to do that again yeah i think but no bob you're right he is like he's he's nearing 60 at the time of this episode i think yeah it's just sort of like how they recycle the same barney burp they're not making Dan Castellana to do that again I can see them recycling that no it's a great no it is great Chris says school for losers it's very funny uh and so then this is uh he then interviews Nelson and Ralph as well Nelson I like I mean look hey when I do it it's cute to take pictures of Disneyland mascots I do it in ironic ways that are fun. I'm deeply afraid of them. I don't like to get near them. I think the one time I did Henry is when we were at Universal

together. But when I was next to a giant Homer, the lizard part of my brain was telling me to escape. We did do that when we went to Springfield. Yeah. And I got one with Krusty the next time I went. And then the other one I can think of, this was on a level of irony because my husband and i went to disney we we do like going to disneyland together sometimes and so we went to it on like a special halloween night where here's what big nerds we are they for that special night donald and goofy were going to come out dressed as their kingdom hearts version of their characters and we're like well we gotta get a picture with kingdom hearts goofy and then everyone in the room was sterilized right there was there were please tell me there were other heart there were hardcore dudes in that line who are just i believe it

there was a guy in front of us who's just like go ahead of me i'm waiting for when mickey comes out i've gotten a picture with donald the goofy i want the kingdom hearts making old hat wow and hey but just like nelson yes uh some of us prefer allusion to despair you know it's fun it's fun we have a classic ralph is stupid joke uh i mean i do like the very detective hard-boiled detective response like somebody's already gotten to this guy yeah homer then gets his message uh it's dropped off in a vanilla envelope on uh on his windshield very uh stealthily just like uh detectives love to do another great line when homer sees lisa's name on the front of it he's just like so far so good uh but uh also from the same thing we learned that her favorite parent is the mother like which that's that's a very funny joke yeah homer assumes she

loves phonies i mean that's so great too that lisa like clearly is a is a recent reader of catcher in the rye and and hates phonies but yes this is when homer through deception starts to connect with lisa is that miles davis Birth of the Cool? You should know. It is your favorite album. So you know one thing about me. Big deal. Wait, wait! I thought you'd might like to go

to an animal rights protest today. Well, maybe. On the way home, we could stop and get your favorite treat. Ice cream. What do we want? The gradual phase-out of animal testing over the next three years. When do we want it?

Over the next three years. That's good incrementalism there. They know they got a believable time frame. It's weird to see in this era animal rights people not being demonized. They seem pretty reasonable this is nicer than they portrayed this same group of people just a few years earlier when lisa has a crush on that one boy in it yeah that's true uh to the the joshua jackson kid who i guess is still in prison at this point in the show but though also i feel like you know at

least you're a bit of a poser if your favorite album is a jazz album I've heard of, then clearly you're not hardcore enough. Yeah. She's one of the phonies she claims to hate. I pulled up Birth of the Cool. And yes, that is a real. That's actually a clip from it. Or the band for The Simpsons replicating it well. One of those two things.

They probably spent the money. At this point, The Simpsons probably has a pretty open checkbook they can use on things like that yes i think jango's correct because later in this episode they license a song to play for about three seconds they played for such a short amount of time i was having problems figuring out what it was yes yes that's so like jango we've asked this of other professional comedy writers too aren't you a little jealous of how the simpsons seem to have like an endless pile of money to get licensed songs absolutely they can call in any personal favor they want so if you know if the record label is being a little intransigent on it they can always just call you know roger waters direct and see what he has to say that's true you

probably have like a hilarious scene written to dark side of the moon but couldn't do it that's right yeah the whole damn album and those fucking penny pinchers over at cbs wouldn't let us do it homer and lisa connect though i do i have a little tiny question about the reality of it of like well lisa says look at this then it cuts to like the inside of rooms i'm like well wait how are they seeing this they're outside and i mean look it's i i'm just yeah yeah it's laid out maybe lisa saw she got a pamphlet on the way in perhaps. Sure, okay. Though it's always funny to watch monkey smoking, even though, yes, this, I mean, yeah,

it's animal cruelty. It's not funny. It's funny to see it in cartoons, not to actually do it. That's like a Simpsons trope. You're always seeing, you know, he's taking a puff. He's taking another puff.

Yeah. Better slow down there, Smokey. It really stopped with the millennials, but boomers were obsessed with monkeys smoking cigars, cigarettes. That's why there's so much of it in The Simpsons up to this point. Interesting. Yeah, I feel like, you know, later, the next generation of comedians more preferred the monkeys throwing poop or masturbating. It got more scatological with monkey comedy. Back then, in the olden days the the monkey smoked

and wore a diaper so you didn't have to think about any of that other stuff just watch them and then also lisa is right to be disturbed by homer saying that they're so sad but so sexy but so yet so delicious that is disturbing as homer tucks her into bed, I then feel like we got another then current reference about the era to the L.A.'s Museum of Tolerance. Get ready for Las Vegas style action at BetMGM, the king of online casinos. Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas strip excitement MGM is famous for when you play classics like MGM Grand Millions or popular games like Blackjack, Baccarat, and Roulette. With our ever-growing library of digital slot games, a large selection of online table games, and signature BetMGM service, there is no better way to bring the excitement and ambiance of Las Vegas home to you than with BetMGM Casino. Download the BetMGM

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But but yeah, Museum of Tolerance is about, you know, combating racism through history and all that. It has good aims. I don't see it as a fun afternoon with your daughter, though. Nobody's doing it for fun, I don't think. But yes, this is when Homer almost gets caught in another very funny turn of phrase. Dad, today was so great. The animal rights protest, a visit to the Museum of Sadness and Oppression. Well, we should get along.

I mean, after all, I am your... father. How'd you think of such perfect things for us to do? Did Mom help you? Mom, don't you think I could read the report by myself? What report? Uh, well, uh, report is a daddy word that means... loves his daughter.

You read the loves his daughter by yourself. That's right, honey. That's a great, I love that. That she inserts the word loves his daughter to where he said the word report. Like, that's such a good line. He has no way out. That's so great. Like, yeah.

So, yeah, Homer exits the scene, this is when uh he he meets up with colt first he thanks him for all the help and it also is a very 2003 line to say i'm gonna go blank on all their asses like it really puts homer in the in the time we everybody said that all the time about everything i does it date back did people did it become a mainstream thing after pulp fiction of going medieval on your ass yeah i guess that's probably absolutely take it off yeah homer won't pay his itemized receipt the list of things on it is funny because it's you know homer is mad about super unleaded gas but but also i mean this does also feel like working at a job and trying to expense anything i've had itemized receipt moments.

It's great. I like the little joke about how, is it Dexter Colt? Yeah, he entered a steak eating contest. He ordered one of those giant steaks that you get it for free if you can eat the whole thing. That's a great line. Very funny expense. You kind of have to think about the joke for it to make sense. It's pretty slight.

I like it. And then I also love his line of like, I can't believe a man who agreed to follow my daughter around for money who turned out to be a dirtbag yeah yeah but this is when homer gets a gun in his face he's able to escape shirtlessly and this is again where homer is drawn fatter than usual in a very funny way and i and i love how he's lit i mean it's a really cool shot of him being viewed down on and spotlit. It feels extremely film noir kind of staging. Kirkland and his team did a great job there. And this is when we get a fleeting brief few seconds

of the Winston's color him father. Just for this little shot with the shirts where Lisa's wearing the, what is it, Homer's daughter shirt, and then Homer's wearing the Lisa's father shirt and then homer's wearing the uh lisa's father shirt and bart is wearing shirt that just says bart on it that okay i this was the one where i was like al gene this season must have had a brewster's million style situation where it's like you have to spend x amount of money on music this season or else we'll decrease your budget next year so i was

because like yeah like you said it is two seconds it's nothing like this show this show is such a workhorse for fox like they must just have like whatever resources they want you know well also too i think you know fox does own some songs i don't think they own this song i mean the song's a nice little song it's a good i i pulled it i hadn't heard it in a million years i didn't i've never heard it outside of this episode i don't know why it was on oldie station some when i was a youth but i'd i never really listened to the lyrics before it is and hey as as somebody who likes his stepdad i like that it's a tribute to stepdads or the dads who stepped up really yeah yeah that's nice that's what the uh color him father means the term color

is used in the like designate to this person. Right, right. Designate him father is not as catchy. Yes. Actually, I was looking at the lyrics because I didn't understand anything. It's just so fleeting. I'm like, what are they saying? And it's a big song about he works so hard.

And I just tuned out immediately. Well, when it was a pro dad song, we're anti-dad on this show, but when I learned it was pro-stepdad, I was like, okay, that's good. Pro-stepdad. Anti-dad, pro-stepdad. There's also a line in there, a lyric in there about going to school

and learning the golden rule, and I feel like that is a rhyme I've heard in 40 songs at this point. It's like school rhymes with rule. We got it. We don't really teach that in school. It's a doo-wop trope. It's like rhy rhymes with rule we got it we don't really teach that in school it's like rhyming uh zero with hero weezer did it 43 times and we're all sick of it but hey weezer was smart enough to rhyme dumb with lesbian i don't know if i ever heard that

oh yeah yeah it was a unique way to pronounce lesbian lesbian lesbian this is when their happiness is upset because Lisa has been framed. We also, again, another fact we learned that the policeman Lou has an ex-wife named Amy, apparently. And we also learned that there's a secret garden in all of us, which is an important lesson to learn. So, yeah, we then also Homer has a very Phil Silvers line reading of his like my wonderful daughter. Castletent is going hard on the Phil Silvers there, as opposed to the Phil Silvers who drowned in the episode of the Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World parody. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah. You lazy kid. I'm going to get you.

So this is when they're about to arrest Lisa, as she is the lead suspect. Chief, do you have any suspects at this time? Well, we do have several promising clues. Let's see. There's a Malibu Stacy scrunchie, a saxophone reed, and a book report on the secret garden by Lisa Simpson. Well, what does this tell you, Chief?

Well, apparently there's a secret garden in all of us, and that Lisa Simpson is guilty. I was framed! You believe me, don't you, Dad? Of course I do. It's all my fault for refusing to pay... pay attention to you, my sweet little father-loving pile of forgiveness.

Yes. And yeah, this is when they're actually using Ralph to try to arrest Lisa, which that's believable to me that cops would tackle an eight-year-old girl. I think it's realistic. I had a big gut laugh at the act break, though. It's not like a clever line, but just the way it slammed shut on Wiggum feeling bad about himself with Hank Azaria's great read. I thought it was very funny. The way Ralph, yeah, that Ralph for once is smarter than his dad.

Like, it's like, oh, you're dumber than Ralph in the show now. Like, even I do that. Yeah, yeah. I'm not good. It's basically him summing up his character. Just like, oh, oh yeah he's a cop that's actually not very good yeah i wonder if his area improv that they don't mention it on the commentary but just his his delivery of like yeah i am i'm not good also great animation on

them smashing through the garage too as they escape which uh though also i think clancy is actually right to ask that because you know what Not everybody who runs for the police is guilty. They actually maybe don't want it. They're innocent and don't want to be shot by the police. Yeah, that might be a very important point. It's not just all zaniness and laughs. Again, another Schwarzwalder-y style joke to reveal that Bridge Out actually stood for Bridge Outstanding from Overpass Magazine. Yeah, that's great.

Then we cut to Marge. All Marge can do in this episode is clean uh and she's happy to do it she loves that bart made a mess that she can clean up it's a nice little tag on the end of the scene where maggie pushes her food bowl off of her high chair then we hear their description that lisa is wearing a lampshade i like that when they blacken their hair again this also feels like taken out of a a film noir as well i'm just like taking shoe polish to blacken your hair to hide probably my favorite running gag of the episode is the various shoe polish jokes i thought that was a smart and funny animation the way lisa does look like a powerpuff girl i enjoy that this this episode actually lived on with some

friends of mine because we would play tabletop uh games and whenever there was a strong man character like a barbarian or whatever we would either choose the name rock strongo or lance uppercut those are great so that's what i associate this episode with uh just living on for a few years of tabletop gaming we all we all have max power but i think lance uppercut might be better rock strongo definitely oh yeah yeah that homer homer is really i mean also the extra comedy of him let me just put on my glasses and then drawing his angry eyebrows on they have a lot of fun with that also yes lisa does look kind of like buttercup the uh uh, the Powerpuff Girl, when she blackens her hair. It's true. But this is when Homer calls home.

He almost gets caught. And they're able to track him. This is how Wiggum actually ends up at their hotel later. But I like their expectant looks when they want Marge to make them dinner. I love that too. But this is when Homer finally has to tell the truth to Lisa. If the election were held today, would you vote for A, the cops are there, or B, you're free to talk? A, and I'd like to add that proposition hug Lisa from me has my full support.

No, Marge, you're not getting it. It's me, Homer Simpson. We got a location, chief. Good work, Lou. We you're not getting it. It's me, Homer Simpson. We got a location, Chief. Good work, Lou. We'll leave right after dinner. Lisa, this is from your mom. Ugh. Uh, life on the lam is really hard,

but at least it's with you, Dad. I feel terrible for putting you through this after what a wonderful father you've been. Oh, Lisa, I can't lie to you any longer. This is all my fault. I'm the worst dad in the world. What? Why?

The man who framed you as a crooked detective, who I hired. Why did you do that? To find out everything about you so I'd seem like a good father. How could you? Well, all the childless drunks at most thought it was a great idea. Let's just get some sleep. That's great. Now, there was an episode, season 10 or 11 or whatever, that Henry and I covered called Make Room for Lisa.

And it had a similar plot in which Homer is trying to make up for committing some grave sin against Lisa and trying to treat her right and take her places. And at the end of the episode, Lisa's like, you know, Dad, I've been a real pain in the ass and you always do nice things for me and he's like i know honey and that's like the message it's very dad pilled but here they do a nice turn away from that where lisa apologizes and homer's like no actually i'm wrong and here's why and he has to live with the fallout i think it's a much better approach that kind of story i agree not written by a father so maybe that was it yeah maybe oh you're right. It's not it's not built around the children need to apologize to me. Well, I mean, it wasn't written by that by Mike Scully, but that was in his season.

And Mike Scully wrote the most fatherly episode this season where everyone apologizes to Homer after he insults them on national television. Yes. Yes, that's right.ummer vacation i like that homer comes clean it's good it's actually like nice in for homer instead just like cruel to lisa yeah it's a better better emotional arc for sure and also i like they get one last uh shoe polish joke with homer drawing three tears on his eyes uh under his eyes there on the commentary by the way uh weird al is on the commentary because they recorded it back to back with the episode he's actually on from this season but it's really weird like weird al just interjects occasionally with funny statements on it uh it's good and i learned

that weird al fact i had forgot or relearned it that the david silverman worked with him on their that money for nothing parody yeah he designed the characters for the 3d uh element of that the cgi element of that video but weird al jokes that homer doing those tears means that he killed three people that's right yeah you get the spider webs on the on the elbows and all that shit then we have a quick like basically the ending of fargo of homer escaping as the cops uh find them in his remote remote hotel they're able to get away and then it briefly becomes bart carney where it's like you know they're going to join the circus which now this was something i extra got as good writing at first i just saw it as rando

humor of like cigarette butts filling up a banana like as you unpeel a banana and it's full of cigarette butts that's weird but no it's to show you that monkeys are smoking. It's a clue that they found the smoking monkey. All ties together. And tough to draw in HD, by the way, to have a banana be full of crinkled up cigarette butts. Like, that's actually heavily detailed. This is when they get caught and cornered.

They're told, you're not telling nobody nothing, which does work in uh it becomes a triple negative so it does it still works it's not a double negative and also this is when he's told you should have paid the expenses in retrospect yes again i feel like they're trying to evoke swartz welder but instead of holding a gun on him he is holding a human cannonball at him basically threatening him with that and homer you know not only earns lisa's forgiveness by remembering something about her later but also like he shoves her out of the way and saves her from being crushed by this guy where selfless act do you

think they remembered the episode homer palooza when they were doing this like anybody doing this one because it was a seven-year-old episode at this time i i don't i mean maybe but it seems like in general if you're writing homer you can look at him and say yeah he could take a cannonball man to the chest and survive because it because it's even uh similarly posed of the the classic little clip we all saw growing up of the man getting hit with the cannonball in the gut oh yeah if this treated the episode homer palooza as reality then homer would die uh when he took this because he could never get hit again.

Oh, that's right. I forgot. Yes, cannons are designed to hurt. This should have ended his career as his character. Designed to hurt. Yeah. But instead, it only injures the man. I do like the line of like,

oh, that fixed my back. Oh, no, wait. It's much worse. And now it's time for something that all animators love doing, and's lady from shanghai parodies anytime you see someone in a hall of mirrors being stalked by someone else with a gun it's from the classic orson welles movie but makes the animators work very very hard and they do a pretty good job here i think they are very lucky that mark kirkland loves film noir

and he's like yeah we're gonna do the extra work to parody such a a iconic film noir scene that's you know i haven't seen that movie i've only seen the 800 things that parody it i need to i i've watched a lot of orson welles ones but i need to check out that one it's definitely worth it and i love the beginning of this scene because it reminds me a lot of the tamaco episode in which we have the shock of homer just getting shot on screen yeah he gets although there's no wound there's no wound or anything, but just he immediately gets shot in the heart.

I have all the lines here because this entire confrontation is full of hilarious bits here. Now what are you going to do? You can't shoot all of us. Damn it! You know, Simpson, from the moment you walked

into my office, I had a feeling I'd kill you in a hall of mirrors. Dad, are you in here? How did she find us? Oh, Lisa has excellent hearing. Once when she was three, I was quietly sobbing in the closet, and she found me. Oh, Dad, you do remember something about me. Perhaps you also remember this laser Bart gave me earlier.

I can't see how ironic now he's blind after a life of enjoying being able to see every line of that is great like i wrote i wrote them all down like i mean saying that he knew he was going to kill him in a hall of mirrors homer homer's sweet story revealing that he actually hid in a closet so his in a hall of mirrors homer homer's sweet story revealing that he actually hid in a closet so his children wouldn't see him sobbing for some reason and even the way lisa says and perhaps you also remember like just their way to say the audience hey we did set this up i don't just randomly have a laser pointer yeah but in case you're worried about a cult uh in the next scene he's seen comfortably as he's being escorted away yeah he's he's not actually i mean it's hilarious to hear on the commentary

yardley smith is there and even she's like so lisa permanently blinded someone and they're just goofing on her and going like yeah she did she did it but no you you can see him using his eyes in the next scene but yes also just that he says it's ironic now he's blind after a life of enjoying being able to see just fuck that's a good line but of course they they have one last bit here that they have to do which is the ending credits has to be or right before the ending credits they need a bestiality joke so the happy ending is that the the uh the test animals get loosed into the uh into the wild but then cletus is having sex he's at least making out with them let's uh i would assume he's not just kissing yeah

what's cletus's wife's name that's a trivia question is that oh brandine brandine thank you i was thinking lordly that's the different character brandine thank you brandine is both his wife mother sister and aunt i think we've expanded the cletus family so far so we have uh diabetes and i think gummy sue is a gummy sue yeah gummy sue yeah yeah you know the show's been going on long enough that they had a dedicated brandine episode that really deepened her character in this last year but it's also funny like this is like a triple punch of the simpsons treacle cutter as they call it where they like they have homer shot but then they have a sweet moment and then they blind a guy and then they have another sweet moment of them reconnecting and homer and lisa

hugging and then they're like no we need a bestiality joke let's not end on a sweet moment let's end on a pig being making out with a man and then they're like you know what the very last thing after that should be hearing more of miles davis like let's make you think of a guy having sex with a pig and then hearing miles davis music but of course the very final scene of the episode is over the credits which apparently they had it at a different part in the episode maybe that too is why there's no other deleted scenes on the dvd because this was the other big deleted scene and they just put it over the credit a practice they were starting around this time but i'm glad they put it in there because it gives lisa an even happier ending because she eventually got the gift she asked for instead of you know being like screwed over

and a bad birthday yeah i think this is also a way for the writers to make sure fox would show the entire credits that is smashing them down this is not quite the area in which they ran the credits like triple speed i didn't as the next show was starting i think it was just their way of you know using uh a scene that they wanted people to see but also saying if we include this at the end you have to show at least like 80 of the screen our credits yeah that's clever be crafty they did the same thing on the uh the special edna episode uh where they put the uh the what do i think of the pie song over the credits. And yeah, I found the original

as aired credits because I try to find commercials of classic Simpsons to put in the podcast for listeners. But that one wasn't, the credits were up there, but it doesn't have them saying next week on The Simpsons this

because they're showing these scenes over the credits. So yeah, it's them protecting their credits, which is a pretty cool thing to do. Yeah, that's nice. But yes, the episode truly ends with Homer being electrocuted many times by the gift he bought.

So no good deed goes unpunished in this episode. But yeah, I think this episode is full of hilarious things. It has some of the best writing. The animation too, by 14 standards, I think Kirkland got a lot out of his team, especially in the great Hall of Mirrors thing, which, you know, you think about how a Hall of Mirrors

has like 32 homers on screen. You know, you don't tell a computer, repeat homer 32 times. You draw a homer 32 times for multiple angles. That's what you do. Very laborious. Now they can tell the computer that they finally listened to us now.

Yes, yeah. Bob, thank you for reminding me. Moe mo baby blues i do remember being my favorite season 14 back in the day i haven't watched it again in a little while i'm curious if i will end up thinking that one's better than this one but at least so far this is my favorite season 14 episode we've done so far i think so i'll agree with that i do like one a lot. It is getting back to some emotionality without being completely cynical about it. And it also includes some wacky season 14 stuff like a man trying to murder Homer in the third act. But ultimately, there's a lot of really funny jokes and I will carry Rock Strongo and Lance Uppercut with me into the future. I need to start naming like characters I play in online RPGs after these two guys because I think they're great names.

Django, any final thoughts on this episode? I think it's great. I love the animation. I always love, like I said, I always love a home release, a plot, a lot of funny gags, Bridge Outstanding kind of comes to the top for me, I think, but I also like the Jeff Flynn thing. I think this one's a banger. And thank you so much, Django, for coming on this one

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Hmm, there appears to be a red dot on my trouser front. I better lower them. The dot also appears to be on my underpants. Well, down they go. Hey, buddy, you better get that red dot checked out. My uncle died of crotch dot.