Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - The Fat and the Furriest

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

What happens when Homer Simpson recreates the misadventures of a weird Canadian outdoorsman? You get the last ep of production season 14, where Homer battles a bear after shopping for Mother's Day gifts. Following our review of the this ep's "Project Grizzly" origins, we dig into how this story of the hunter becoming the hunter won an enviromental award 20 years ago. Plus, podcast chat of Veggietales, Walmart, bear mascots, and all the other stuff we were scared of in 2003! Support this podcast and get over 200 ad-free bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod, not to mention Bluesky and Instagram!

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Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of the Simpsons, who is here with me today. As always, I'm Henry Gilbert choking on my candor. And this week's episode is the fat and the furriest. Oh my God, I'm gonna be killed by a bear. Well, I guess I don't have to worry anymore about the dangers of smoking.

Smooth. I guess I don't have to worry anymore about the dangers of smoking. Move. This week's episode originally aired on November 30th, 2003, and as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Happy Thanksgiving 2003 Bobby! Cult classic, Bad Santa debuts in theaters, Final Fantasy X-2 is released in the United States, and The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown is the best-selling book in the US. Wow, well check out our episode of Talking Futurama about the Duh-Vinci Code we recently covered about a month ago. We talk all about the Dan Brown phenomenon and how it's kind of one of the last books that every adult read.

There are no more books as big as that anymore because this book came out and then 10 years later, everyone had a smartphone and no one is reading like this anymore. After we covered it, I had another idea of why things have changed from then, which was this was read by you know late older Gen Xers and Boomers but then the kids who are reading Harry Potter kids and

teens who read Harry Potter and then also Twilight as they got into their 20s 30s and 40s they didn't want to read a Da Vinci Code style book they wanted to keep reading young adult books or young adult style books that then had like more explicit like sex and swearing and stuff in it. Yeah I feel like you know people did graduate from the young adult world to this and honestly the level of writing was not much higher. I find these books completely inoffensive I don't care if people read them or not but I definitely avoided them because I was too cool for Dan Brown. Also when I was looking at the

book sales charts to see where Dan Brown's book was charting, I forgot something I should have mentioned on the President Wears Pearls, which is consistently at the top of the charts when this season started in nonfiction was Michael Moore's Dude Wears My Country. It was selling incredibly. I absolutely had that book.

I also had Stupid White Men. I had all the Al Franken books and let me tell you, as soon as Bush left office, those books had no resale value. No used bookstore would take them. So they were worth less than the paper they were printed on, that entire world of books. We didn't have tweets to say all of these things. We could only read them in books written by either Michael Moore or Al Franken. And Bad Santa, I haven't seen this. Honestly, I think Bad Santa 2 is where you want to go in the Bad Santa franchise. But it's one of these movies that has the Coca-Cola to its Pepsi. So Bad Santa has Fred Claus and Bad Grandpa has Dirty Grandpa and it muddies the water so much.

I'm not sure which movie is which. Bad Santa is the definitely better than Fred Claus, I'm not sure which movie is which. Bad Santa is the, definitely better than Fred Claus, I would say. I saw Bad Santa Theaters, to sound like a hipster, I saw it because I was like, oh, the director of Crumb now has a new movie? Like, that's what it was. What is it, Terry Zweigoff?

Yes, yeah. Okay, wow. And it starred Billy Bob Thornton, who is great, and he plays the dirtbaggiest, shittiest asshole in the world who's Santa and it is a Grinch story about a like suicidally depressed alcoholic who finds hope again. Though I've heard that the Bad Santa 2 which came many years later is no good and so I

totally skipped it. I wanted to leave the memories alone of my enjoyment of Bad Santa back in movie theaters in 2003. It sounds like nobody saw that movie. And I believe the little redheaded kid from the first movie is in it. And he's all grown up. That's right. They at least stuck.

They didn't do the recast with like a famous young person. They stuck with the kid actor, though. Also, what's funny with watching Bad Santa is that it definitely feels like the ending was a late change. I'll just say that for folks who've never seen it I was like huh that's weird but I was cleaning the theaters when Bad Santa came out the first time and there were very few people who saw it then too. It was a DVD success story. And Final Fantasy X-2, this is I wasn't a big fan of the Final Fantasy X

duology I guess is what you want to call it, the aesthetic of these games. I feel like I would like this one, although it is very much a Japanese RPG of its era in which there's like a billion things to do, but if you're at the wrong place at the wrong time you'll miss something forever. And if you're a completionist, I'm not, but if you're a completionist it will drive you crazy. So I feel like this is a game that you really need a strategy guide to play, but I think a lot of people were offended By the title and this was when square was getting crazy with the titles the Kingdom Hearts series would go even further where there are math equations in the title and

Latin and all these references to things that are buried deep in the game But some people thought 10-2 was a step too far that was probably purchased at electronic boutiques called x2 and like how many? snobby cashiers were like it's tend to Excuse me. Yeah I think people also thought the game was called Final Fantasy X people who just bought a ps2 and didn't know about this series It's like oh, I know Mega Man X is Final Fantasy X It came at such a bad time for Final Fantasy in the u.s. Where they were trying to

you know keep up that the games were as Expensive and flashy as the games that were popular in the u.s. Then but they're about pop idols and girls who wear dresses At a time when games couldn't be more sold to two boys 18 to 35 yeah absolutely this is the Rancid g4 era of gaming. I have no nostalgia for that culture, that kind of gaming culture. Final Fantasy X was a big hit on the PlayStation 2.

And yeah, you're right. They followed up with a game where you play as three girls in an idol group. And the job system in the game, the class system involves playing dress up. And let me tell you, a lot of magazines had a lot of fun with that concept, just making fun of it. Because games, they've grown up, they're about murder,

and they're for men. You're gay if you like it. You're gay and stupid and Japan is stupid and gay. There's nothing gayer than looking at three hot ladies. But yes, that's what happened on this Thanksgiving weekend back when this episode aired. And we have no guests on this episode. It's a guest free episode.

Do not be alarmed. We are recording a lot in advance to prep for the holidays and upcoming travel. So just sit back, relax and enjoy pure Bob and Henry. If you just like hearing us on patreon.com slash talking Simpsons, there's a ton of shows that are just us. So if you want the pure strain talking Simpsons, you have to pay us at patreon.com slash Talking Simpsons. Yeah.

In this case, we're talking about, you know, old Canadian documentaries. But if you want to hear us talk, just me and Bob talking about Futurama or King of the Hill or a ton of classic movies, that's all right there on patreon.com slash Talking Simpsons. And in case you're wondering, this episode is called The Fat and the Furriest, although we will not be talking about any fetish communities, so don't let the name fool you. Although it's funny, they call it this when the remake of The Fast and the Furious was new, but I have to think Al Jean was titling this based on,

you know, the 70s film nobody remembers, not, well, the cult success of the film series that would go on to be one of the biggest in the world. Were we Tokyo drifting yet in 2003? Boy I want to say that's oh four I want to say no definitely two had not come out yet because I was cleaning theaters when two came out so too fast too furious is not out yet. Well in other news about this episode it is not related to any Vin Diesel vehicles either movies are the ones you drive in, but it won the 2004 Environmental Media Award in the category Television Episodic Comedy.

And I'm not sure if this is an award just given to a particular recipient or if there are multiple nominees, but the Environmental Media Awards website does not tell me. Something tells me they just decide amongst themselves to award a show and people aren't submitting stuff. And then those award winners are invited to the big luncheon or whatever happens. And it's a big event. And that's that, but this episode one, and in fact, they have to remind themselves that it did because I think they're just there every year.

Yeah. I forget which ones do and don't win. So maybe there are nominees, I don't know, but this information is not being kept anywhere where I can find it. You know, the Environmental Media Award website is very unhelpful, I'd say, too. I at least found out, like, previous Simpsons episodes that won was like, the earliest EMA was in 1991,

and the Simpsons won the inaugural one for that category with the Blinky episode, two eyes on every blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They won the very inaugural one for that category with a blinky episode two eyes on every blah blah blah blah blah They won the very first one in that category Yeah, it's most like the Emmys. It's mostly Simpsons winning this category and something else I wanted to point out on the commentary I forget what it's in reference to something happens in the episode that later happened in real life and on this 2012 commentary Al Jean says we should put together a list of everything that happened on The Simpsons that came true.

It's so weird hearing that 12 years later when that is the only thing people talk about when The Simpsons comes up. My parents were visiting recently, my podcasting job came up. I talked about, oh yeah, we talk about The Simpsons. And immediately my mom said, that's the show that predicts everything, right?

Oh wow, from your own mom. Yeah, and like acquaintances, that's the first thing they'll bring up, and I'm polite about it, but this is what the show is known for, to everybody but super nerds like us. It's so funny, yeah, that scene in the commentary is over the bit where they say DVDs are gonna go defunct.

That's it. And yeah, to know that them in like the early 2010s, they're saying this, but because by 2016, before Trump wins, even everybody is saying that the Simpsons are predicting it and here they're, they're like, Oh, is that they're pitching a listicle right there on the commentary. Oh, also with the EMAs, I did have a couple other things I noted. One is that in 2001, Lisa Simpson, they didn't just win for an episode. Lisa Simpson was named to the EMA Board of Directors for Ongoing Commitment Award,

which normally goes to real people, not fictional characters. Okay, I was gonna say, did they later realize she's not real and had to take that back? She got it honorarily as a non-person and then they also mentioned that they're like oh we have this picture with Andy Dick we've never met him before like you just end up with these photos with whoever presented it to you and so I was like oh can I go to Getty Images and find that? I could find pictures from November 17th 2004 where Andy Dick is at this award ceremony, but none of the Simpsons writers are at it or pictured in it

Well, so unfortunately, I could not find pics of that I could find pics of Andy Dick with presenter actress Sarah Rue who he's getting a little handsy with you'll be surprised to hear in these Photographs we have to reevaluate every Andy dick picture every dick pic if you will. Yes, every Dick, these are the bad Dick pics. I'm sure somebody has made that joke before, but there is a mention of meeting Andy Dick at this award ceremony and then conspicuous silence as if a commentary track was edited. Oh man, I bet maybe he was whacked out on wow he saw us

when they met him. There's no way Andy Dick didn't rudely shove them and say like, I should be on your show. Why haven't I ever been on your show? Yeah. I don't think he had before or since. I think they avoided that. Our multi-time podcast guest, Bill Oakley has mentioned the wonderful bullet they dodged

by almost casting Andy Dick in Mission Hill. He almost, I believe, had, I think it was Kevin. Well, I was one of the French brothers. I forget which. I I think it was Kevin. Well, I was one of the French brothers. I forget which. I'm looking this up now. I guess he appears in the episode Yokelcords. I don't... Oh, he does his own voice in it too, so he did appear on The Simpsons. Well, that's too bad then, man. When did that episode air in Yokelcords? I don't... It's like mid-aughts. They didn't get him during Dick Mania when he was playing Nuka

in The Lion King 2, Simba's Pride. Man, so that maybe the silence is they have stories about when he came in to record that they're not saying there. There's no way Selman didn't say something mean about him, right? Absolutely, yeah. I'm sure it was a Selman edit.

Selman said something. Getty Images is a fun place to just search the name The Simpsons and you'll find weird pictures on there. There's a lot of fun things. But unfortunately, I couldn't find this picture of them with Andy Dick. This episode, though, is inspired by real life events, is it not? Yes, it's inspired by a documentary which unfortunately got overwritten by another documentary about a guy and grizzly bears just a few years after this aired so if you tell people oh this is based on a documentary about the grizzly bear guy they'll think oh timothy treadwell no

different grizzly bear guy entirely perhaps less mentally ill it's hard to figure out i'd put them on the same level of mental illness i don't know they're different kinds of mental illness it's the american crazy versus the canadian crazy but they'll both are like fame starved men. But yeah, Grizzly Man is one of my all time favorite movies. I love that movie so much. Meanwhile, Project Grizzly, I had heard about it. It's a Canadian documentary and in the second half of the 90s and into the early aughts, thanks to Project Grizzly and clips being seen from it of the Troy Hurt-E-Bees being

hit with things in his suit, he would be asked to appear on American TV shows like David Letterman, the Ripley's Believe It or Not show, Quentin Tarantino would fly him out to Los Angeles and ask him questions like, so he was a known quantity for his dumb suit, but I had never seen this honestly kind of poignant documentary about this fool. And if you're living in Canada, you can watch it for free because the government helped fund it. So I believe it's on the CBC's website. You can just stream it. I am very thankful for the National Canadian Film Board. They fund this thing. Not that Canada doesn't

fund you know, murderous war crimes as well, but they at least throw a little money to some documentarians. What are America doing? They'll at least make the kids in the hall give them a show. Actually, I think as a Canadian, I'm entitled to every episode of kids in the hall. Don't you remember their sketch screw you taxpayer Bob, they're stealing it from you. Well, hey, other people already paid those taxes 30 years ago. Yeah Project Grizzly actually it's funny you mentioned kids in the hall because yeah the man it is about Troy Hurt-you-bees he seems like he just is one of the hoser characters from kids in the hall like he is the stay down guy the guy who's being told to stay down that's who

he most reminds me of. Yeah the Bruce McCullough character. Yes, yeah. But he's such a weird, crazy guy who, like, the short version of it is, and if you're in the United States, it's on Tubi, and you watch an HD version of it on Tubi as well. There's also an SE version for free on American YouTube, but I say treat yourself. Go to Tubi, watch it in HD. And this is a 1996 documentary,

so they're not hitting this when it's hot. I just imagine that, I think it was Joel Cohen, the writer of the episode, that kept pitching this. Is that true? Yeah, he says he showed it to him for years and brought the VHS into the office. And so that's why it took him so long to do this. It feels like we're at the very end of a production season and they say, go ahead and do the Grizzly Bear Man episode. They got it right before Grizzly Man came out, so it fully replaced Project Grizzly, at least in the American consciousness.

But yet the Troy Heribes guy, he was a man who got attacked by a bear once, though if you watch the documentary, basically a bear knocked him down, then walked away. Didn't maul him, didn't injure him. Homer gets it worse from a bear than Troy does in his own telling of the story. What was he doing in an area where a bear could knock him over? I wanna know.

Well, he is a would-be explorer. He is just like Timothy Treadwell in that he is a weird goofball who does not want to be part of a system. Like he loves nature but doesn't want to join a zoology society or become a traditional scientist. He can't fit in that box or chooses not to. So instead he's like, no, I do my own science on bears. That's what Treadwell did also.

Yeah. I guess, I guess bear swaddings is the price you pay for living off the grid. I mean, I think in both cases, not to be too dark, but I also think there is a certain nihilism or death drive in both of these guys that everybody around them is telling them, like, don't go around bears in the wild. They will kill you. And I think the risk is part of the fun for them, I think. Yeah, yeah. They want to believe they're immortal or they're above the city dwellers, the people that are

attached to these systems that they're rejecting. Also the documentary is a lot of it's fun because he's an interesting character who clearly has a lot of daddy issues as well. He's constantly trying to measure up to his father. It's worth noting he refers to his father as the old man, which is what he calls every grizzly bear in the movie too. God, that's a little too obvious. If you're writing a movie, somebody would come in and say, just tone this down a little bit. Everyone knows the connection you're making.

He also, there's the comedy of, he's built his own suit in a garage. It can't walk and can't move. He meets up with documentarians who are like, we will pay to fly this into the wild so you can try it against a bear. We want to film you trying this out against a bear. We will do it. The second he gets in that suit in the wild so you can try it against a bear. We want to film you trying this out against a bear. We will do it.

The second he gets in that suit in the wild, he's like, I can't move. I can't take a single step in this thing. It's like, how? That is pure comedy. I guess you're just turning yourself into a pillar at that point. Which technically, a bear couldn't hurt.

But yeah, then he got famous first in like local Ontario TV because he's basically wearing like a pile of, you know, hockey pads and NFL football protection. And then he gets hit by a car and he's like, see, that's what a grizzly bear would do to me. And so if I can take that, I can take the hit of this. He has such an extreme accent to all the fun is just seeing cars hit him, people wail on him with baseball bats. It's proto-jackass. Yeah, it is sort of like also, it's a bit mean-spirited because the people watching

are thinking, I want to see this dumbass get run over or hit with something. Also what's not mentioned but I learned from reading up on it more is the director I feel failed on covering more of the edible aspects of this. The person who in some of the videos is hitting him in older outfits of his suit. The person who's hitting him with a car, that's his dad driving the car. So there's a lot to unpack here. Yeah. But yeah, the guy, he would go on to some fame and notoriety, though I do think he

knew he was being made fun of and he didn't like that. He did want to be a real scientist in his mind. In his obituaries, this episode of Simpsons is mentioned, like in like most of them. I read like five obituaries and they're in most of it. Like this guy even got featured on The Simpsons. And I believe them when they say on the commentary that they heard from him and he liked being mentioned

on The Simpsons. Well, I guess everyone kind of forgot about that documentary by now, or it just became something you watched a while ago and this maybe elevated him again, got him a little more attention again. And he tried to, they're trying to make a movie about it now. Like a documentarian who was trying to make his first fiction film or dramatization of

it, Lance Oppenheim, he's looking to make a film about it now, but another thing that's interesting in the movie is he constantly mentions his wife, but you never see her, which makes me think his wife said, don't put me in this movie. Or he has an imaginary wife like Whitey in 8 Crazy Nights. This is a real wife. She stayed with him until his passing in 2018. Just to cut to the end of his story, he was famous outside in Canada and inside it but could never really take off. He had financial troubles late into his life. There is a 2017 Ontario news piece about him, which is rather dark. It's him talking about how

he's run out of money. He's having trouble with his family He is talking about suicide a lot like it's very troubling He passes away in 2018 at the age of 54 a car He was driving hit a fuel tanker the driver of the fuel tanker was not seriously injured Troy meanwhile had to be identified from his dental records. Oh, oh, yeah, that's never good the driver of the fuel tanker not a bear they checked While it could have been an accident his widow also Thinks it could have not been an accident and was self-harm, but they don't know But it's a sad ending for this guy who I wish if he had been 20 years younger He'd have just had a stupid YouTube channel

doing this stuff and he'd be making money to this day. That's true, he could be on TikTok as well. There was just no outlet for this outside of, you know, submitting your VHS to the David Letterman show. And then I don't know how you get rich from that. There's no revenue stream from that really. I feel like when the clips get licensed for movies and stuff, like it's the news broadcasters who made the money, right?

Not him, you know? Also though, his son, Brett, continues his work with his own YouTube channel, which I would say is carrying on his father's legacy in both good and bad ways. Best of luck to Brett Hurt-E-Bees with continuing his stuff. But yeah, the Project Grizzly doc is a very interesting one. I hope Troy at some point found a piece in death

he couldn't find in life. Not to bring everybody down, but after watching the doc, I was like, what happened to this guy in all the years afterwards? Yeah, I guess he's nearly 30 years old at this point. But my biggest laugh watching Project Rizzly was when he is like, he's quoting, he's a big nerd too, I feel like they don't talk about. He wants to build his own suit of armor, he's quoting, he's a big nerd too, I feel like they don't talk about,

like he wants to build his own suit of armor, Iron Man suit, and he goes like, I think Frank Herbert said it best, fear is the mind crippler. I was like, oh, oh dear. He's got a edited version of Dune. Yes, yes. But anyway, sorry, yes.

That was the history on the Project Grinsley I wanted to catch everybody up on if they haven't seen, which is episode, Homer should have more father issues than he has in this episode with Abe. It's only slight father issues. And by the way, I think the documentary is maybe 72 minutes long, so it's not a big investment. It's a real quickie. After I watched it, I checked to see if our Canadian podcast pals, Michael and us had covered it. They had not. I did the thing that all podcasters love, which is having a friend reach out to them and say,

you should totally do this as your podcast. The only time I'm not infuriated by that when it's a fellow podcaster. And I DM'd Luke Savage about it. He was receptive to it. He said he had never heard of the movie before, which is crazy, because like, it's not just Canadian, it's Ontario, which is there based in Ontario as well.

So if you listen to Michael and us in the future and hear them do project grizzly know that I nudged them in that direction But I guess that's all the oh no. I had one other preamble thing, too Okay, did you notice that there was a random Valentina El Garza writer on this commentary who barely said anything? Yes, and I immediately googled her looked her up. I think her first episode is in 2012, so she seems like a fresh hire around this time, who maybe was just hanging around and wanted to sit in, but she doesn't say anything. Yeah, it's surprising that she's there.

I mean, you know, she's a junior writer then, I get it. Not to minimize her, she would not be a Simpsons life, or she'd go on to create Jane of the Virgin. Oh yeah, yeah, I was looking at her IMDB credits and she was not on The Simpsons for that long really. And like she worked on Only Murders in the Building, The Santa Clauses, and apparently there was a one season adaptation of True Lies on CBS that I'm only now learning about and she wrote for that.

Ooh, Secret Show. Yeah, it looks like she was a staff writer for two seasons? Oh no, more like five seasons. She's written four episodes. So we'll get around to her when we cover four great women in a manicure. And that is in season 20. So hang on to your hats, folks. I noted that as a Cuban-American, she would be the second Latina

writer on the show, I believe, after the Mexican-American Rachel Polito. Apparently her first episode is the only one in the series to not feature Bart. He does not appear or he is not mentioned. Interesting. Wow. All right. I look forward to that in four-ish years. But okay, the episode begins with a lengthy couch gag parody of Get Smart, which doesn't really have much of a- other than just being a tribute to Get Smart, there's not much more to it. No, and I think it's reused couch gag. I think we've seen this one before.

Yeah, you're right. We start the episode with a joke We will see twice in this episode Homer sneaking out of bed and trying to not wake up March Is the floor squeaky this time or the squeaks added the second time when he's trying harder not to wake her because he's got the suit On or he's yeah, I think this week's are maybe more that more pronounced the second time. Okay. Yeah Yeah, but here we learned that in this Thanksgiving Airing episode it's Mother's Day Yeah, Mother's Day was six months ago guys And this is so backwards because this is airing near the Christmas season and we talked about the Christmas episode

They did back around when it was Mother's Day and like me I feel like they have fine-tuned this more now where this is at the end of a production season. This is still production 14, right? It's the last of 14. And they figured, well, yeah, last one of the year, that's like in May or June or whatever, right? But then they're not thinking this is going to be a holdover.

Half the season is going to be a holdover or like a third of the season. So this is going to be around the holidays, not Mother's Day, but Thanksgiving, Christmas. Yeah, this is not the final one in production number order, but it is the last airing one that was made in 14. Soon we'll be in season 15 with next week's episode for real. It's Mother's Day, which Homer thinks only comes once every four years. And we see that Bart and Homer are too stupid to either know what flowers are or to make a mug that looks nice. This reminded me of a little craft I made for my mom when I was in first grade or kindergarten. It is a or was I think she no longer has it.

It's a basically cup that has macaroni glue to it and it's spray painted with gold paint and she did use it for years while she was in nursing school to hold her pens. Aww, that's sweet. Although when I was in kindergarten, I do remember making an ashtray. This was like 1988, so they were still encouraging kids to do this and I believe my grandmother did use that ashtray and she's dead now.

I think I made an ashtray, but the only keepsake that comes to mind for me that my mom saved was, though I don't know if she still has it, it was basically a hand print that I made as a kid. So put your hand down and cut around it in clay and then put it in the kiln and write your name in the clay before it gets heated up. And as a kid I was like, oh, why would my mom want to keep this? It's dumb and old. And now I see like, yeah, it's her baby's hand that keeps growing and growing of course it touches her yeah I think it's funny that

they just assumed every child knew somebody who was a smoker or there was a smoker in the family now not as many people smoke to the point where whenever I watch an old movie in a theater with people even if it's a well-behaved crowd when someone likes a cigarette in the movie somebody inevitably giggles because it's like haha smoking wow I guess they did that back then. That's the sentiment I get. It just seems very uncommon. Although Vancouver is the smokiest city I've ever lived in.

Everybody is smoking up and down the street. It's crazy. Wow. Wow, man. Smoking is such a great character affectation. That's why the great holiday film of last year, Holdovers. I love that movie. Everybody's smoking all the time in that too.

And the Oscar winning actress who's in it, whose name escapes me right now, she won an Oscar for the role. She chose to start smoking just on the set for that role and she's like, ah, the fake cigarettes don't taste right. I have to smoke real cigarettes to feel the character on the set.

Okay, we'll end this line of conversation very soon. I just watched Stranger Things season one and Realistically the Winona Ryder character says smoker. So is the sheriff guy He's a smoker as well. And I thought did they clamp down on smoking? No, that wasn't until 2019 that Netflix said there will be no smoking in our programming So I'm keeping that when I watch more Stranger Things I'm gonna see who has quit smoking in this cast that is just a choice then, before it was the rule at Netflix. They imitate all this stuff from classic Spielberg movies, except everybody is smoking all of the time in those.

Ghostbusters is like every guy is smoking in that. Yeah, smoking is freedom of speech. I don't do it, but I like seeing it in movies. Actually, I guess too, now that you mention it, in Saturday Night, where every member of the cast of Saturday Night Live in 1975 Absolutely smoked all of the time. I don't think I saw anybody smoke in that movie That is crazy because I feel like if you watch the first Ghostbusters

Everybody is smoking cigarettes in that movie because I think the actors just wanted to smoke cigarettes during their scenes I don't think it was a choice. It's like, well, everybody smokes and Dan and Billy and Harold, they love to smoke. Let's have them all smoke. You know, Gilda Radner, she dated every white Ghostbuster. Did you know that? Whoa, whoa. See the movie. Yes.

Yeah. The actual actors. Yes. The actual actors. That was a Gilda Radner fact. I was reminded of recently that when everybody was dating everybody on Saturday Night Live back then, she also dated John Belushi as well. But Gilda Radner, in the years beforehand, in the 70s,

at one time or another, she dated Bill Murray, Harold Ramis, and Dan Aykroyd. And so when the movie came out, her friends were like, yeah, she didn't wanna go see Ghostbusters to see all of her exes. Well, John Belushi was supposed to be in Ghostbusters I choose to believe that Slimer is him The sentence will be right back

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All right back to the episode. Mother's Day, not working out. They don't know what to do. Everybody's made the same mug. And then Lisa does stick with her daisies after all. So then they decide they're going to go shopping. Homer first wants to put $20 on the trifecta, which I will say, my dad preferred gambling to Mother's Day gifts, which is why their marriage was so happy. But he went to the track in person. None of this off track betting crap, right?

We were lucky, blessed to live near a gambling arena. Yes. Very convenient. I wonder if that was what motivated that purchase of the house. Boy, you know, now that you mention it, Bob, it never occurred to me, but I would think, yes, I would bet being less than a five minute drive from a greyhound racing track where you can also gamble on all these other things probably was a key factor. Less than a five minute drive.

You can walk there in 20. Jesus Christ. I hope you were living in a good neighborhood. Usually living by a dog track is not a good sign. It was a good neighborhood. I said five minute drive. Okay. Well, I can understand his priorities.

Yes. Yeah. Well, again, like I priorities. Yes. Yeah. Well, again, like I said, it's why their marriage was so happy. So I do like the joke that right next door to the off track bedding is the pawn shop where her wedding chida is, which I choose to believe is Homer trying to buy back the stuff he pawned to gamble. Oh yeah, for sure.

We also see that Hollywood writers have learned what Walmart is because I feel like in 2003 Walmart's had been everywhere in the 90s onward but I feel like 2000s was when Hollywood comedy writers started to joke about it. King of the Hill was ahead of the game where they were suspicious of stores like Walmart and they did episodes where they showed how they're driving other stores out of business because they're just witnessing this in reality, even though everybody was very dependent on these stores. Yeah, this is the time that we're really laying into Walmart because it's really part of the

George W. Bush culture war where we realize that we cannot succeed politically because the election was stolen, so what can we do? Well, the only things that we can do is be good moral consumers. We have to go to the right stores, watch the right movies and TV shows, read the correct books like, dude, where's my country? Things like that because politically we are impotent if people can just steal an election. So they were criticizing Walmart for lots of valid reasons. The big Walmart documentary, Walmart, the high cost of low price came out in 2005, but it was really part of big Walmart documentary, Walmart, The High Cost of Low Price, came out in 2005, but it was really part of like,

we hate Walmart, we hate NASCAR, we hate things for people who would vote for George W. Bush. That's where a lot of this was coming from. Although, again, Walmart, Evil Corporation, you don't need me to tell you this. I mean, you can see the cultural signifiers of it for sure that these jokes were always about Walmart,

not Target when they're the same thing. Like Target just has a more friendly to coastal elites thing. They're both the same evil big box monster that kills everything. They're both Megalomart, but Walmart, I think definitely always had more of the day class say, like it's lower class

Aesthetic to it. Yeah around this time I was a guy who subscribed to the idea that you have to buy the correct things and go to the right stores and I Didn't go to Walmart for probably like 20 years I went there as a teenager because I was like wow a big store and then I became politically aware and I said I will Never go to Walmart and then I think I went to one for the first time in a long time, just the summer in Minneapolis. And I was like, well, whatever. That's funny.

I too have a coastal elite sounding story of leaving my bubble like, because we both lived in Berkeley for years and years. You couldn't go to Walmart. If you wanted to, you needed a car. You'd have to drive far away. There was a Costco, there was a Target, but Walmart, not so much. I just went to Denver for the first time. I went to Casa Bonita and some other fun places, but at the start of our trip,

we were like, okay, we need to get a couple of like, you know, essentials, like our preferred shampoo or things like that. The closest thing was a Walmart. I walked to it and went in there and I was like, wow, there is mentally a difference to me of being in a Walmart versus even Targets around where I've been to in big cities because it really was like that huge like I was like sprawl Mart is a good name for it. The one I went to I believe was a super Walmart which is an even larger version obviously and the title indicates that in Canada we have

things like Canadian Tire and Superstore and things and they gave Target a go here but it didn't really stick. When I learned from you that Canadian Tire is not a tire store necessarily. You can buy tires there we buy like Christmas decorations there and kitchen gadgets and stuff. The Super Walmart it was an event around a year of this episode airing that was when the Super Walmart opened in like the county I lived in in Florida and it was a big deal. It is like a double Walmart. Think how big a regular Walmart is and then you put a grocery store inside of that and it doubles in size. That's what a Super Walmart is.

I mean, I had other choices when I decided to not go to Walmart, but lots of people don't have choices. They have to go to Walmart. It's the one store in town where they have to do their shopping. So it's very complicated, unfortunately. And there's so many great articles about how the other un-talked-about costs of a big box retailer, especially Walmart, one of them being like, cops basically have to live there. Walmart doesn't bother to hire security. They just know the cops will be there. So also your tax dollars are paying for security at Wal-Mart as well.

And they do the thing with Abe as a greeter, and greeters, they indicate are there to size up shoplifters, not to make you feel welcome, but it's also just another indication of our society being disgusting and sick where these old people, I'm sure they like being part of a workplace, but many are there because they are poor. There's a lot of poverty amongst the elderly and they have no choice but to get these jobs which are the only jobs you can get if you're 70 plus to wave at people and make sure they're not walking out with stuff. It's the success of Reaganomics. The Social Security net of these people is torn apart enough that they have to go back to work. It's funny to see the Simpsons

get to Walmart here, years after King of the Hill was doing their stuff with it, but I mean, Mike Judge was always more keyed in with real America than The Simpsons was at this point, though I think South Park's big Walmart thing is a year after this. They hit a lot of the same stuff too. Yeah, is that called something Walmart This Way Comes?

Is that the name of the episode? I forget what it's about, but I'm sure it's all of this stuff we were talking about. Well in classic South Park form, I believe they set up that Walmart has no explainable thing based on like corporate business or capitalism practices. It's just an evil monster that takes over a town. That's a lot better than their stance on Starbucks five or six years before that, where they're like Starbucks is big because it's better. It has good coffee.

That's why they succeed business. You're right in their Walmart one, they could at least say Walmart is bad. We know it, but why is it bad? We can't say the reasons we choose not to interrogate, but we do know it's bad. In that one too, their old man character stands Grandpa was turned into a greeter there, too But yes, why don't we hear about sprawl Mart as well as this is that cultural indicator you were talking about Bob Christian entertainment tied into it

Could get Martin new window just like this one. Hey dad, why don't we try the sprawl Mart? Just like this one. Hey, Dad, why don't we try the sprawl mart? Yeah, I love sprawl mart. They've got everything, even Christian videos with talking vegetables. Mighty yamsies, we are weary of building your food pyramid. Let my pickles go.

Mm, how's this? Ah. Welcome to sprawl mart. Mmm, roses. Grrr. Welcome to Sprawl Mart! Grandpa, you have a job? How dare you challenge my perceptions of what old people can do! I'm a greeter! I'm here to make every visit special! And to size up potential shoplifters?

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so they just have a lot of very smooth 2D animation to kind of emulate that. Even cheap Veggie Tales CG, they're not spending on that. It's insane that Veggie Tales has been around for over 30 years now and is probably the most successful Christian entertainment business in American history maybe, of explicitly Christian children's entertainment I don't think there's more successful. It's still going on, isn't it? Yep. Yeah, they've had huge movies. They just had another series

They've got another movie in the works. It's crazy. You know, we hear from assholes about how like oh we have to take Culture back. We're gonna make a completely separate culture from American culture that's so decadent and horrible. And they fail so much of the time, but VeggieTales kinda did it. I bet they don't get crazy money like you get in Hollywood, but I think they do pretty good. Just looks very cheap.

So I'm sure they make money hands over fist on their small but devoted audience. The only times I see VeggieTales show up in Animation research we do for this podcast the only times I've seen it is When it's the markings of a Christian animator who gets sick of Holly weird and so when they quit the mainstream business Usually they do a VeggieTales or two. Yeah, I think absolute freak and horrible person, Doug Tenapple, creator of Earthworm Jim, I think he got knocked down to VeggieTales status because nobody wanted to work with him anymore.

That's right. That asshole is the big wheel at the VeggieTales factory, isn't he? I'm sure he's a wheel. A wheel. I don't know. Maybe he's big time in everybody there. I'm like, uh, did you create Earthworm Jim? I don't think so.

So how about you listen to my walls of Jericho is celery pitch get back to drawing that cucumber Doug I found that there are a lot of kids who are grew up with it and now write Articles of the weirdest things that happen in a VeggieTales article So if you're old like us you can experience young millennial childhoods by reading those irony applied to VeggieTales It's sort of like what we did with Doug and Rugrats 10 to 15 years ago We are lucky we didn't have to live with VeggieTales as much of anything And you know when they showed this Abe greeter thing I was like this feels like an underused plot idea Well, guess what next season they do a little more with it

I see and hey if you have the DVD, the season 15 DVD, when I do these episodes, when I prep for the episodes rather, I'm constantly pausing and writing things down. Whenever I pause, I often activate these hidden deleted scenes. Well, if you pause while Abe is talking in this scene, what we'll play next is a little compilation of footage of the Project Grizzly Guy being hit with things while he's wearing the Grizzly suit. I don't know. I assume they licensed this footage, but it's all set to the evil teddy bears picnic theme

that Alf Klassen has later in this episode. So it's just a little Easter egg that I've never seen before. That is an awesome Easter egg because it's not when you told me about it. I wanted to try to replicate it myself. And when I even went to like a guide page for you know DVD Easter eggs dot-com that type of thing Even it isn't listed on the website like I couldn't find it listed on one of those websites weird I mean I watch DVDs on my ps5

So I'm always hitting the X button to pause maybe that's doing something But I feel like it should be later this this Easter egg should be later in the episode because we have not even got to a bear yet and that's where this Easter egg is located. Yeah I'm confused by why it activates there too. Look forward to us talking more about Abe as a greeter in the season 16 episode. On a clear day I can't see my sister. So we walked through Sprawl Mart we see a joke about Jacqueline Smith which I didn't know that was the original Charlie's Angels cast member I only know Farrah Fawcett. I know Shelley hack Jacqueline Smith. I know a few of them This is very observational even 21 years later

Well, you're walking to a department store and you'll see an entire line of something by an actor you haven't heard of in 15 years You're like, oh, I guess and then it turns out they're a billionaire because of that. I actor you haven't heard of in 15 years. You're like, oh, I guess. And then it turns out they're a billionaire because of that. I much prefer that to seeing like Mr. Beast's stuff or prime energy drinks. I want to see more George Foreman grills. Uh, moldy feastables.

I wonder if those are even still in stores now. This is our general warning again. This is before the election. We're recording this, but also will moldy feastables still be around. Well, we are insulting future president. Mr. Beast He's gonna find this podcast in Ten years when he's eligible to be president boy He seems like he could do it if he wanted but also he could also implode first, you know I feel like with mr. Beast and with a lot of other people and this includes like the project grizzly guy

I feel like what's not mentioned there is like how is this life possible without constant use of Drugs, I was gonna say I'm paid labor to put oh Yes, that's a project grizzly as well Like it is such like a bros hanging out with your cousins and uncle movie like that too when he reveals like oh Who's this older guy's helping him? It's his fucking uncle Like that's who when he reveals like oh, who's this older guy? He's helping him. It's his fucking uncle Well, I think mr. Beast's next viral video should be I give two podcasters ten million dollars and I leave them alone. I Challenge you to that mr. Beast that is what project grizzly is He would say like I gave a guy a million dollars to build a bear suit an anti bear suit

I gave one guy one dollar and one guy a million dollars Who made the better anti bear suit? Did you know to that guy? He never was able to meet a grizzly bear Nobody ever despite other people trying to get him to get that suit in the same place as a grizzly bear It never happened. He wanted it too much the bears could just smell the desperation Isn't it cute in the movie to the when he's like near a black bear and he's like they're too friendly It's not even worth it. They're not gonna attack me. I'd attack that one first, honestly We see that Homer is a selfish guy who's buying him only imperfect things for himself

And this is when they run into Patty and Selma This feels more of algae and remembering jokes. They used to do first We had an mmm something joke and now Patty and Selma and Homer calling each other names. I feel like the season 15 escalation and maybe I'll point to Dana Gould for this one is Homer throwing a car battery at them. Yes, that one made me go like holy shit like then they don't react to it at all they dodge it and they're like yeah whatever like Homer intended to maim them at the very least, if not kill. They just want to get through the scene and talk about the Price is Right.

It's still my dream to be on the Price is Right someday. Scott Gertner, our previous guest, his wife Erin has been on there. She was a participant. You got to watch out though, because that Plinko, it'll get you. If I had to pick one game I'd play, I want Plinko. Second would be the Yodeling guy. I would like that one, that's a fun one too. But yeah, Scott Gairdner's wife Erin Gairdner, she did very good up to the wheel,

but she didn't make it to the showcase at the end, unfortunately. They get directed to the Kitchen Carnival, which does seem like a thing that would be advertised on Price is Right, which really, Price is Right is just ads. That's what it is. Yeah, it's just letting you know how much things cost

and giving you the idea to buy them. Where you live in Berkeley, Henry, there was a, let's call it a restaurant, that only served carnival food and it stayed open. People seemed to like it, but I would always think of this joke or this scene in The Simpsons whenever I would pass it, but it was very handy to get the candy shop Pickman seedlings in Pikmin Go.

It's the one place in Berkeley I could actually walk by to get that. I forgot about that place, yes. It was, why have carnival food just at the carnival? Have it right here. And it's just like, at a time, despite how bad my diet was then, you'd be surprised I didn't go there as often as you'd think to get funnel cake back then. That was dangerous.

Yeah, funnel cake is a sometimes food, which is why it's made in trailers that drive across the country. Yes, same with all of the caramel covered whatever's, but funnel cake is like, is it the unhealthiest? Cotton candy is only sugar. Funnel cake technically has, is it the unhealthiest? Cotton candy is only sugar. Funnel cake technically has some sort of like nutrients in it to be like dough. I'm not so sure about that actually.

I feel like cotton candy is just, it barely exists. If you've ever seen that video of the raccoon trying to wash it in the water, it just immediately melts and turns into nothing. With fried dough, there's so much substance there. That's true. It is a sponge for the frying material and then you cover it in sugar. Yeah, with cotton candy it's just the sugar. You know what? I guess it's probably better for you. Not that either is any good. Though I wonder how much this thing costs because a regular cotton candy machine on Amazon that just makes cotton candy, you're looking at 150 bucks

if you're shopping for that for the holidays as a gift. Honestly, expecting it to be a lot higher of a price. Well, this is the Amazon one. I wonder if you go to the Sprawl Mart, but at a Walmart, stuff like Kitchen Carnival is in the impulse buy, bad father section that's right at the entrance. Yeah, there'll just be a huge pyramid of them.

Especially the holiday season, they really do have it masterfully set up at these big-box retailers of like you just ran in here with almost no time left in the holidays you're looking for a gift here's some crap as seen on TV crap do you want a thing that looks like a wee? We've got it. They know where to place the last-minute gifts. I worked at a blockbuster a little after this and that was also Last Minute Gift Town but that was just a DVD. They'll like this DVD.

At this time I had just started working at AMC Theater and that Last Minute Gift Town was gift cards. Always useful. Still to this day. Yeah, I guess I never thought about movie theater gift cards. They're a great gift and you know why the movie theaters love them and why all companies love gift cards because almost nobody spends there are many people who don't spend every dollar on that gift card and there's probably

gift cards I sold 20 years ago that still have 20 cents on them that is sitting in the AMC coffers to this day. Or some that just never got redeemed and have expired, so it's just free money. Man, those things should never expire. I bet they did. They it's it's really great for the companies. They just get to sell a thing that doesn't even have to be spent. So they buy the kitchen carnival for Marge. They gift it to her.

And I like that when Homer says that makes the kid's gift look like crap. It's still the gifts they had at the start of the episode. Also Marge references, administrative professionals day that changed the name for secretary day. My mom worked as an administrative professional for decades. She found either of those days condescending and did not like them. I was a secretary for about three or four years at my college of arts and sciences,

and I would get like little chocolates and stuff from the other ladies there. Oh, that's nice. I found it adorable. You weren't emasculated, eh? No, no, I mean, I was a secretary. And an English major. They get straight to it with making the food,

everybody's eating garbage. Lisa not only wants to marry a carrot, she wants to fry one. She should be more health conscious. Also any jokes about Maggie getting fat freak me out. I don't like them. They disturb me. It is gross.

I think the more disturbing is Abe making himself caramel dentures. He's just dipping his dentures in the caramel. He's choking to death, I would say. He's gonna die. I mean, honestly, Abe loses a foot from diabetes in this episode after that, I would say. He's gonna die. I mean, honestly, Abe loses a foot from diabetes in this episode after that, I would think. Though, what discussed you more, Bob?

Fat Maggie or sexy dancing Maggie? Oh, sexy dancing Maggie, especially when they sell a figure of her. Yes, I'm with you. I mean, these are fun gags, but it ends on a real thud of a reference. Why don't we hear it? I've got the reference right here.

Kitchen Carnival? I love it! Thank you, homie. Oh, Marge, get a room. Only my hairdresser knows for sure. Homer then makes a cotton candy wig and says, only my hairdresser knows for sure. Homer then makes a cotton candy wig and says, only my hairdresser knows for sure. Yeah, that is the tagline for Clarell's Home Hair Dye Kit,

which they first sold in the 50s. And this is a riff you would hear on Mystery Science Theater a lot, where they would always incorporate old taglines. So if somebody was like putting on a wig or combing their hair, you'd hear Crow say, only her hairdresser knows for sure. I have the clip here.

Does she or doesn't she? In the softest candlelight or brightest party lights, hair color by Miss Clara looks so natural, only her hairdresser knows for sure. You'd question it like, oh, does she or doesn't she? Like, because you have to keep it a secret if people know you color your hair it's sad. Although if you're a 90s kid the Clare-All product you're most familiar with are their herbal essences brand of shampoos notably because all of the commercials featured women having orgasms while washing their hair. I think

Seinfeld's the master of their domain episode opened the door to that filth. I was watching those commercials and I thought, wow, these were on television in the 90s. I remember they did one where it was advertised as, guys can use it too, and so the guy starts exclaiming strongly. I liked herbal essences. I used it, though I forgot it was a clear all product. I just knew it was herbal essences. I like to have my hair smell like fruit sometimes.

And the working pun was, you'll have an organic experience. And it's just women in the shower, washing their hair and saying, oh yes, oh God, yes. And their husbands are like, what's going on? Thanks to when Harry Met Sally, many men learned that the female orgasm exists, apparently, in the 80s. That was not a fact.

They knew that. It was discovered in 1988 by Rob Reiner You're right, this is an ancient ad to reference in 2003 Definitely like literally a 50 year old ad when they referenced it and there's no twist on it or anything It's just Homer being clever. I guess They seem to think it was funny for Homer to have like, it's also like Afro comedy, which feels very dated as well. Yeah, it's corny. This is the end of the season, so I'll forgive them.

Then what everyone would expect happens, Homer will go insane and destroy it and make a gigantic pile of sugar. The animation on his cackling as he's making is caramel and cotton candy. That is funny. Yeah, we pull away from the house and see a silhouette of his cackling. They look very like David Silverman drawings.

And we just covered the episode where he ate all of the slices of cheese. This he is turning into a Dr. Frankenstein and creating a giant sugar ball. There's more flavor to him doing this instead of just, I am sitting down with this cheese and I'm eating every slice. Bart wakes up excited that he's going gonna get to eat his own shorts, but he is prevented in another disgusting scene. Dare I pour caramel over the cotton candy? Ha ha ha! Ah ha ha! Ah ha ha! Ah ha ha ha!

Ah ha ha! I'm gonna pour caramel on my clothes, and then finally I can eat my shorts! Ha! What is that? This is 85 pounds of tooth-melting sugar. Dig in. Mmm.

That's it, kids. Suckle Daddy's sugar ball. I've seen this before and I saw that line coming, but I still can't believe it. Disturbing, disturbing to hear. I think, isolated, it's even more disturbing because it's the sounds of Bart and Lisa eating it as he says that is also upsetting to me.

It's a gross image too. And I like any callback though to eating my shorts. That's always a good one. But also this episode, it's talking about end of the season stuff. It feels like Al Jean had some leftover budget money for songs in here Yeah, can we get 10 seconds of Eye of the Tiger 8 seconds of I've Got You, Babe

And this one though feels like it's like doesn't it sound like Ramblin' Man when Homer's driving in the car pool late It sounds like it's a song that's just being covered instrumentally I didn't I didn't know what was going on with the music in this next scene. Why is it this kind of music? Is it a licensed song? The only song that sounded familiar to me was Ramblin' Man, but I don't know what it is. Like, I was born Ramblin' Man. And I tried to look up online, even on soundtrack listing sites that pegged all the other songs in this episode that aren't in the credits. They didn't say that this is a real one.

So listeners, let me know if you think you know what sound alike or song this is referencing here. Yeah, it's just, it might be Alv Clausen being very clever, but I just don't understand why this kind of music is happening in this scene. It doesn't really fit the action that's happening. Maybe something was cut. Who knows? It's like Homer gets away with getting in the carpool lane. That doesn't sound like the kind of music for that.

I think another sign of how tired they are at the end of the season, Lou says a line and Wiggins just sick of him. And he's just like, I wish my passenger was made out of candy. Yeah, they're just sniping at each other at this point and saying nothing clever. Then Homer is sitting outside

and his food is getting covered in garbage. This feels like Al Jean retreading his life of eating garbage food that he already did with the giant sandwich. I like the spooning with the sugar ball in bed. This is so disgusting. Just the thinking of the residue this would leave behind. It's worse than the rotten sandwich. And then the chain of things that gets attached to it. So it's like ants, birds, cats, and then Flanders's. So it's like ants, birds, cats, and then Flanderses. Yeah, like the ants bring in the birds, the birds bring in the cats.

I would assume all of those birds die, though I'm not going to play the jingle over an assumption. Don't worry, I've got the jingle queued up for later. Maybe some cats died. We don't know that. You got to think all of them died. You see feathers and claws and stuff in there, so I'm going to assume every animal died on that. Hey, this is one year before Katamari Damacy so Homer is getting ready.

Wow that's good man. Ahead of the curve there. Also they're bringing back the Rod and Todd have never tasted sugar before. That old riff too. And then I do think Hankazaria does a fun little voice here for the candy ball. Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Bomi, it's time you got rid of that thing. All that candy is rotting your brain. I think you should get rid of her. Then we can be together. Forever!

Maybe you're right, Marge. Or maybe you're right, Candy Ball. No, Marge. Then again, no, Marge. Definitely Marge. Yeah, the vaguely foreign and sinister candy ball, the face emerges from it. I like how you can see Marge reacting at first in anger that he's reconsidering it, and then she seems confused like, oh my god, he's just talking to it. Like he's gone insane. Al Jean remarks about this with a different joke in the episode on the commentary, but at this point, Marge telling Homer that he has to get rid of something and take it to the dump as the next plot point in it, they used it in the movie. Like this is in the movie, which the script they'd be writing around when this aired.

Oh yeah, yeah, I completely forgot. They go to the dump. Or Homer tries to, and then he has to take the pig crap or he chooses to dump the silo in the lake. I believe, is that how in March we trust begins? And that's where they find the Mr. Sparkle detergent. They bring a Christmas tree to the dump or something. That's right.

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for just 35 bucks a month for 18 months. Plus get a one-time gift of five gigs of Rome Beyond Data. Condition supply details at freedommobile.ca. Though Homer leaves, he goes to the dump. This also does go back to Project Grizzly because that's where they have a whole bit of going to the dump with Troy Hurt-E-Bees and he's talking about it like, look, here's a black bear, they just hang around the dump, I test around them. Though it's just funny to see him in his red beret

and all his knives, his costume as a naturist tough guy, and then he just watches a black bear walk by him and nothing happens. It turns out they just kind of mind their own business. Now, we talked about this joke earlier. It's not Simpsons Predictive, it's not prophetic, it's just obvious, but it was, this is a slightly new media and everyone is buying

all of their DVDs at this time. This is the DVD boom and this is just like a slap in the face to all the DVD collectors. So there's three piles, Betamax tapes, laser discs, and reserved for DVDs. And at the time you were thinking, no, the DVD is the ultimate format I will own all my movies in DVD. I will never regret buying one and

Now recently before I moved to Canada I had a bunch of movies on DVD that I got rid of and some of them I did replace with the blu-ray or the 4k, but now yeah, I'm even like blu-ray yuck. Is there a 4k? What am I living in the Stone Age? I'm gonna look at this at only 1080p. Yeah, although I'm due for a new TV. It's been about a decade We want to get a really nice one So to last for a while and for so it could be like very bright because our living room is very bright because of a skylight But we're looking around and I'm seeing 8k TVs and I'm thinking I should not buy any 4k's I need to jump on the next Bane wagon as soon as possible

I need 8,000 lines of resolution slammed together. If you're trying to future proof, you should jump ahead to 8, then I'd say, yeah. I've had a 4K TV for a little while. I bought the cheapest one like seven years ago, and then two years ago, I bought another of the cheapest ones, but for me, it was about size too. I could have got like a fancier OLED or even 8k

But I also just wanted a 75 inch TV that was 4k So I bought the cheapest of that which was about 700 these Roku's The first one was a Roku, but now there's a different cheap machine. It's a Google Android TV That's what it's well. I think we're gonna spend like $2,000 on ours. And that is what your Patreon dollars pay for. Thank you. Well, and it pays for our Simpsons DVD. No, we bought these Simpsons DVDs a long time ago. I bought my last TV when I was a games journalist.

Is it even in 720p? No, that's 4K. It was from writing a freelance liner notes for one of the Shovel Knight vinyl releases. That's how I earned the money to buy that TV. Nice, man. Though when they talk about DVDs are going away, they are, people don't want them as much, but there are lots of things that are left.

Like this was only released on DVD. The best transfers you're going to find are the DVDs. Or to this day, multiple times this year, I bought 4K versions of movies that I never owned before that I was like, okay, I'm gonna finally watch this in 4K. All of the bonus features on it are from the DVDs because they never spent money on bonus features after DVDs. Like UHF, when you put on the bonus features,

it's Weird Al talking to you in 2002 in SD. Same with when I watched To Live and Die in LA in 4K, it was all the DVD special edition bonuses or the I bought Hard Target in 4k, DVD SD special features on it. Yeah it's only, I feel like only Criterion spends any money on new special edition bonus features. Think about all the unemployed featurette creators that can no longer get work. I think about that when I start up every Simpsons DVD.

I'm just like, wow, they don't pay for these anymore. If I had been born 10 years earlier, I would have went into the featurette industry. I was also just seeing a tweet the other day of somebody quote tweeting a fun film fact, and they said, you never even get to hear about these anymore because nobody makes special features Of making of docs for any movie and it needs to be said but Disney doesn't want to make DVDs anymore hence no Simpsons DVDs after the

Release of season 19 like right as the deal was being struck. I Think 19 got in under the wire of the Fox team doing it. Disney doesn't want to do it. It's it's bullshit. The closest thing to a special feature I've seen on a new thing is when say Marvel will put out a tick tock of here's how we filmed this scene and it's like in a tick tock of how they did some special. Great. Great. Now everything comes to us in tick tock form. Or I get to watch Patti LuPone like talk to her own phone camera to say, thanks so much for watching Agatha all along. You know, I broke my wrist in this scene,

but we really love you, Fage. You're the best. But okay, it's bear time. The bear's here. Homer is throwing away his candy ball, which you'd think a bear would love that candy ball. Oh my God, a grizzly's gonna gorge himself on that till hibernation season.

Yeah, the bear is not at all concerned. For some reason in my head, I've seen this before, but I thought, oh, the bear is attracted to the food, but no, not really. I guess we learned that the bear is attacking Homer because he's in pain. That's why it's happening. The bear is a great design.

They're just doing their old design of a bear. They didn't like make a new bear or anything, but I also think bears are cute. They're also scary. They're a fun combo of like a bear can be scary, but also if you're watching like a big fat bear walking around eating stuff, like they're adorable. Yeah. And they bring up on the commentary, the fact that Call of the Simpsons was one of the best table reads of all time.

That's the one with the bears, Maggie and the bears. And that's what everybody talked about after that episode aired. Yeah, Al Jean sang, they're like, we should make this a two parter. Though Jean seemed to be a little ashamed of like, oh, that Homer Sasquatch storyline was stupid. He seems to think it's stupid on the comments.

The bears are so big that they're enemies in the Simpsons arcade game, although they're secretly fat men. Yeah, as we posited on that one, I bet you that was the macraining joke of don't hurt the... I don't want our characters to actually beat up animals. That's also why I think the bear is faultless in this episode. I just went to the zoo a couple months ago and the most fun I had looking at animals

and I looked at several animals after playing Big Om. But then my favorite animal I looked at was the bears They were having so much fun splashing around in the water the bears were having a good time We went to the Vancouver Zoo a year or two ago And I think it was raining, but the Bears were just splashing around and having fun Well Bob you should love grizzly bears because they're your local sports team. Oh, they were I guess oh Wait the Vancouver Grizzlies no longer exist? They no longer exist. Oh, so sad.

Yeah, hey, if they did, they would be the one team I might actually see. We have a lot of sports teams here. We have two stadiums right next to each other, but no basketball, at least NBA basketball. Well, they live on in one of your wife's best hats. She loves that hat. She's got it. She loves that hat.

The Vancouver Grizzlies, Yeah, they went to Memphis apparently Damn, man. What a downgrade you would never move from Vancouver to Memphis. No, no, absolutely not Yeah, they went there in 2001. I blame 9-eleven And now hey look if I were to live in any southern state and I am a southerner just to not get too southern bashing here If I were to live in any major southern city, it would be Atlanta, and then second would be Memphis, Tennessee, but I wouldn't move there, so not to bash Memphis too. I've never been to the south

outside of maybe a few layovers. Oh wait, Texas, I've been to Texas. El Bolo was Austin, so it doesn't count. You know, southerners like me would say Texas isn't really, that Texas is Texas, not the south. I say Ohio is not the Midwest, at least the part I lived in. Though maybe as in Arkansan, we have a long rivalry with Texas

that Texas doesn't care about because Texas is a much richer state that wins many more sporting competitions. It's also fun that Tom Gamble is an old man on the commentary. I love that he's just saying, basically telling stories about I'm assuming when they had like live bears on the Carson show Oh, yeah, I was thinking like what city have worked on with live animals and yeah, it probably was Carson. That's what I would guess I think that's his biggest one though. Maybe on it's the Gary Shanley show. They had a lot definitely not Seinfeld No

They're not indigenous to that area. That's that would be fun to see Jerry Seinfeld mess with a bear I'd like to that area. That would be fun to see Jerry Seinfeld mess with a bear. I'd like to see that. Oh wait, no, this whole fucking movie, B-movie, had like a whole 10 minutes on how bears suck. Yeah, I banished that from my memory as well. So Homer's terrified by a bear after smoking some smooth tobacco out of pipe.

Then he gets scared, we go to commercial break. I feel like Marge doing world's easiest crossword puzzle seems too stupid for her. She should be smarter than that. It seems a I feel like Marge doing world's easiest crossword puzzle seems too stupid for her. She should be smarter than that. It seems a little mean to Marge, a little demeaning to the character. I like the idea behind the book. All the crossword puzzle answers are three letters.

It's a funny idea, but Marge is too smart for that. Yeah, I think the joke is she's also kind of like stuck on one. Is she like, you know, making like a concentrating face or whatever? That's true, man. Yeah. It's a rare Marge is stupid joke.

And Marge is disturbed by seeing Homer show up for being traumatically assaulted by a bear. And he wants to keep it to himself. I think like that is also at root with Troy hurt you bees. I think that he, you heard his story. He got really scared by a bear and he's like I could die here and it's the fact that he didn't die and why did the bear let him live it's been confusing him his whole life like ever since then if we're over a decade when they film he almost took a peek behind

the veil and it drove him to madness that's why they show it twice in the movie of him telling the story of the bear attacking him because it really is Mesmerizing to hear him tell the story out like he's getting snowed on whatever people get attacked by animals My stance is usually if unless they are provoking the animal the animal is just kind of doing its job You know that and then a lot of people are gonna get attacked by animals They end up becoming Christian or maybe they were a little Christian before but it really brings out the Christianity in them because they think oh God intervened God saved my life. I need to spread the message of God

Well, I guess if you don't find God then you end up like Troy in the movies Just like I don't know why it happened It's just a thing that happened and I'm gonna figure it out like apparently this is not really talked about in the documentary But for reading other things He originally wanted to make a bear spray like he's like I, I'm going to make an awesome bear spray, but to test the bear spray, I'm going to need to build a suit that could survive being near a bear. And everybody told him every suit he made sucked. And that's why in the movie, he's up to Ursus Mark six, which he's been working on it for a decade.

Just going to the woods or the dump and spraying random bears. I don't approve of this plan. He also said there was another funny quote I saw that he said to one of the first people he called about it an actual like Professional in the world of zoology like so if I bring this rubber suit to the bear Do you think it could pierce the rubber suit or whatever and the guy said like you should not do this do not go into a bear's Territory and provoke it into a fight. You would be better off bringing a rubber body bag.

I expected a Dr. Herbert, oh good Lord, when he told him his plan. So Homer is then watching TV with his family. We learned about a zombie president who woke up and went to work. They don't say which president. I guess Nixon, I don't know. I'm gonna go with that one.

He'd get back to work He has a Christian work and it looks like Kent Brockman dropped his laugh-and-a-half segment in exchange for Kent's cowards Isn't it crazy that this is not that long after suds Macduff and it's another episode about somebody being Undeservedly called a coward something felt familiar about this I think we're getting to it's not too far off the episode that I've seen now argued as worst Simpsons ever by some the one where the entire town turns on Bart and hates him for losing a baseball game. But this feels like a similar thing of everybody is making fun of Homer for a completely

understandable thing. So Sons McDuff was this production season right? 14? I believe so yeah but this is another one of you got scared at least they make a joke out of was this production season, right? 14? I believe so, yeah. But this is another one of, you got scared, at least they make a joke out of it later with Jimbo, but everybody's calling him a coward for being scared when it's like a bear quartered you. Who wouldn't, like Troy in the movie admits, he pissed his pants seeing that bear.

I would too. Yeah, Bart would rather have a dead hero than a living coward. Yeah. Though in Project Grizzly, they have no footage. That's the magical thing of it, too You have no satisfaction of seeing a bear attack if you never will see it. It doesn't happen It's a quest for a thing. He will never get it's to his consternation the whole you should have read Moby Dick I'm sure the documentarian was thinking that the entire time, but he was reading dude not Moby Dick That's what he quotes in the movie.

So we see that Homer is getting chased around, he's scared, including a very silly sequence of him jumping around through toilets in the dump. Yeah, the bear is playing whack-a-mole with Homer as he's popping his head out of different toilets. And you know that I believe Matt Selman thinks this is a crappy scene or a bad joke because In season 34 is Lisa the Boy Scout

Which is the the fake clip show episode that everybody loved from a couple seasons ago now They have a bit in it where it's all fake clips and then they act like oh, here's some more crazy fake clips But they're real clips from episodes of scenes everybody hates like the one where Burns's eyeballs are flicking around out of his head and this scene of Homer with the toilets is in that shame montage. Oh okay I know internally it was so hated. Apparently so I didn't know it was or it was at least them saying we've heard fans hate seeing Homer jumping around through toilets impossibly to avoid

a bear. I would bet MacGrain wasn't happy at seeing the bear roll in his eyes at Homer. That was funny though. Even the bear is like, this guy's embarrassing me. I laughed every time the bear reacts to Homer. I chuckled. I liked it. And then we get the return to the show of Charles Napier, the late Charles Napier.

Always great to hear him. I think he'll appear two more times as different characters after this. I think that Warden character comes back again. But he's not long for this role, unfortunately, but it's just so great to hear his voice and obviously he's here because they love working with him on the critic.

He was Duke Phillips himself. It's a real Duke-tastrophe. He's no longer able to be on the show. I love his voice. It's a perfect voice. There's a reason I used him all the time. It is also again, cute to see. Al Jean mentioned that, you know, the things he's famous for, but then Al Jean says that he first saw Napier in Russ Meyer's Super Vixen. Yeah, he was part of the Russ Meyer crew. Yes. Of all of the top heavy ladies who went

on trashy campy adventures. But yes, why don't we hear from old Charles Napier here? That hilarious footage was shot by local hunter Grant Connor, not with a gun, but with a camera. That's right Kent. I often get guns and cameras confused. One time, tragically, at a wedding. I don't care if they think you're a coward, Dad. You did the right thing, hiding and crying. Yeah, we'd rather have a live sissy mincing around the house than some dead hero any day. Joke on your kinder!

Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! You can strangle Bart, but you can't strangle your humiliation. It's a deal! Just hearing his voice made me think they should have just found some way to bring him on as a regular character.

Just at least three or four times a season like Phil Hartman. Yeah, yeah. He brings me so much joy, not even just because of the Duke Phillips association, but I think obviously it's his intonation. It's his unique voice that just brings all of these lines to life. I think Al Jean also liked the legitimacy that comes from him that he does seem like a real tough guy who like they mentioned he actually did go hunting with Norman Schwarzkopf.

Like he was that type of dude, but it's the type of Republican they like working with, one who has a sense of humor and will joke around with them and who will be in Cheech and Chong movies. And I like that when Bart is being choked for his candor, they're not even that upset. Lisa just gives him like a bon mo about it, but he doesn't stop choking Bart. It just reminds me of that line, you should be strangling yourself. And then we get to see everybody making fun of Bart for his father being as afraid of a little old grizzly bear.

They seem to have decided Kearney is not old in this scene, and he has a deadbeat dad just like the other guys who are the same age as him. Also, what happened to Dolph's two dads? I wonder if the one dad he's talking about is just one of his two dads. What was the two dads line from recently? I think it was in season 14, yeah.

My two dads are gonna love this. It was the book, it was the book that Homer wrote. Well the story of this is just his dad probably smoked a lot of meth and went on a crime spree, beat up some innocent KFC employees. I think it's even more progressive if Dolph has two fathers who are both also meth addicts. Gay guys can be meth addicts too. They found something in common outside of being gay.

Then we go to the power plant. Even Burns is getting dings on Homer here with a practically based joke that uses Burns' stuffed bear for comedic effect. Yeah, I love when they use the taxidermied bear, which is always in his office. It's always a polar bear. The one other time I remember them using this is when he climbs up on it in Homer the Smithers,

when Smithers and Homer are fighting, and that's when he falls out the window. Right, when it nearly kills Burns, Homer can't say for sure. What is he, a doctor? You know, the bear was also used in that recent Shoddy Heat episode from season 36. Yeah, yeah.

I just watched it, but I watched four episodes back to back, so I can't remember the context. The bear gets its head shot off, and Burns says, how dare you shoot the bear I shot? Though also in that episode, they use, I'll give the designers credit when they do the flashback to 1982 Byrne's office, they used the smaller office design that was in his first appearance in Homer's office. I noted it looked different, but I didn't realize it was the older pre-season

two, I guess office. And after that practically based joke, That's when there is so many Deleted scenes hidden on this do tell it's two Fucking minutes of them and they're hidden. They're not in the regular DVD deleted scene collection. So they were buried So these all happen in the sequence, but I don't want to play a three-minute clip So I'll play each in individually here. So after burns pranks Homer. We have a little extra line from burns Thank you all for your help I will be docking half an hour's pay from all your checks now back to work you sniggering layabouts

Everybody goes back to work. I guess I can see why that was cut. After that, Homer is sad in bed with Marge, and he's asking her if she thinks he's a coward. Marge, you don't think I'm any less of a man because of all this, do you? No, no, no, no. You're today's man.

Not afraid to cry and scream and wave your arms like a little girl Well as long as I still turn you on Let's just be friends tonight It's okay, I do like that scene I don't think we hear enough from Marge's point of view on the subject that the emasculation bothers her too And like she actually is no longer attracted to him. That's classic Simpson recontextualize the plot in bed with Marge and Homer and so after that then Homer takes his problems to Ned Flanders.

And Lord please make one listenable Christian rock album just one. Homer? I need to talk to you. Did God ever get beaten up by a bear? Well let me log into my noggin and Google my noodle. We got Jordan the whale, Daniel in the lion stand. Everyone thinks I'm a coward. Isn't there anything in the Bible to make me feel better? Well, the Lord always says if someone strikes you, you should turn the other cheek.

So if I hit you, you would just sit there and let me hit you again? That's right. What if I wanted to hit you again after that then I guess I would offer up my forehead What if I start working the body kick you in the nuts shove an umbrella up your just go home Wow, so Homer being that crude reminds me of him calling Madonna a bitch the Homer Simpson saying the term kick you in the nuts It feels a little too shocked bitch Homer Simpson saying the term kick you in the nuts It feels a little too much for Homer Simpson I mean he's a pretty crude character

But the show is not normally not that blunt to hear Homer say kick you in the nuts and then be cut off from saying Shove an umbrella up your ass Yeah, a good cut a good cut what there's so much. I wonder if they were making room for anything Yeah, they don't really say, because these are hidden deleted scenes, they don't say why these are cut. On the other ones, if they have deleted scenes, there's also commentary for them if they're official deleted scenes.

So I don't know the reasoning for these. I mean, definitely they had to cut this one down. I would have said, you know what, there's maybe one montage too many in here. Maybe keep, at the very least, that bedroom scene. Yeah, the bedroom scene is funny. Though, you know, maybe it was. Other than one last one that's about 20 seconds,

all of these are from the same section. So it could just be act two is too long. You have to cut from this act specifically. Yeah, and taking those out really doesn't make any meaningful changes to the episode even though I want to hear a little more from Marge. And believe it or not Bob there's one more clip of Homer being shamed in this same section so maybe it too is that it's too many scenes we get it. They're really laying into Homer in this episode. So in this one Homer lines up the entire family and asks them if they

respect him. I really need your help. I want each of you to look me in the eye and tell me you haven't lost respect for your old man. Nobody looks at him. Wake up, Maggie. I see, when that bear shredded my underpants, I didn't realize those underpants contained all your respect."

All that silence, that was when the family can't make eye contact. They didn't, because these are deleted scenes, they didn't bother to have like room tone or whatever. Yeah, well maybe outside of the Ned scene it is just relentless Homer humiliation. Maybe they thought it was a little too far. These aren't bad scenes on their own, but I'm kind of glad we don't spend Let's get past the shame and get to the fucking outfit that this is based on from the movie the vivid hallucinations He has that's more fun. You're right Hallucinations are more fun than just shame so after cutting all of that Homer goes home and in the empty house He is noticing all of the bear things that are everywhere. Bears are a huge part of culture. They really are.

I love that line later where he goes, they're in our food. Yeah. And the books. I did want to note that he goes through these books. He like freaks out in Maggie's room. He knocks over some books. He sees the bear went over the mountain, the bear and Stain bears and Goldilocks and the three bears.

He didn't see that coming. I do want to note that Dan Castellaneta grew up in the universe where it was Berenstein because that's what he says. Bob, thank you. I have that clip here. Compare how Homer says it to an example of the correct way it would be said by the opening theme to the cartoon based on the books. The Berenstein Bears! The Bear and Stain Bears. The Bear and Stain Bears. Yeah, I think I grew up saying steam because me too. Stain is a bad thing. It's not what these cute bears would do. Maybe brother and sister, alright? They got some lessons to learn. They usually do have a lot of lessons to learn. I remember reading those books being told

like I read them to learn to not chew my nails. They had another one on junk food that I don't think I learned enough from. I didn't like those books. I liked the art, but I just walked away saying, these are too preachy with whatever way a six year old could articulate that. I think more it was like, don't tell me what to do. Apparently the Baron Stain bears being the name is the name of the creators of it. I believe when I was reading up on the Stein versus Stain confusion that apparently growing up

one of the kids of the creator would go to school and like his teacher told him, no you don't spell your name that way, you spell it Stein, like no, Stain is not a name. Was she trying to out him as a Jewish person? We know what you're hiding. It was an anti-Semitic teacher. Oh man. Yes, that universe thing is so silly when it's the simple example. The explanation is easily

everybody mispronounced things before they could go online and know how things are pronounced. Yeah, for dumb. That's the answer. Yeah, we all thought it was Zap. I'm glad you noticed that too, Bob, because when I heard Dan Kesslin had to say it, I'm like, he said it wrong. And hey, I'm probably mispronouncing his name all the time. I also forgot there were many episodes of a Berenstain Bears TV show. I recall, I don't know when that aired, but they would occasionally show that to us in school when the teacher was drunk or hungover

or lost their lessons plan. Like, let's see what these bears are doing. Currently, I believe they're all on YouTube for free because they're a PBS show. So yeah, then Homer gets a visit, basically the pink elephants on parade segment from Dumbo, which Bob did an entire great history on that when we covered it for the podcast on our page. Check out the water cartoon movie podcast, all about Dumbo.

This goes on for a bit. It's just a parade of different bear mascot characters, but yeah, you're right. It did make me realize how many things have bears on them. Picture this, a snowy morning and you're staring at where your driveway used to be. Your neighbor's Toyota RAV4 with all-wheel drive cruises by unfazed, making winter look easy. You're thinking, that should be me. Yes, yes it should. It's time to upgrade your winter. It's time to Toyota. Lease a 2025 RAV4 Hybrid LE all-wheel drive from $108 weekly for 40 months at 6.69% with $2,600 down. Visit shoptoyota.ca or your local Ontario Toyota dealer today. Light up Black Friday with Freedom Mobile and get 50 gigs to use in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico

for just $35 a month for 18 months. Plus, get a one-time gift of five gigs of Rome Beyond Data. Conditions apply, details at freedommobile.ca. I feel like if they did this now, they should include the Sleepytime Tea Bear. Oh, I love that bear. I've heard, you know, I think it was in Denver. No, or it's in another major city.

My husband and I were looking like, oh, after we went to Denver, what other cool places should we go to? And wherever the factory is that makes those sleepy time teas, it's near a major city, and he's like, hey, if we go on the factory tour, you can get a picture taken in a chair

that looks like they have a whole Instagram set up for to get your own sleepy time tea cake. And then they say, sir, you can't sleep here, I'm sorry. You gotta go. I wanna sleep in the bear chair. He looks so peaceful. Yeah, so we have gummy bears sugar crisp snuggle bear Teddy-grams and then later with the evil teddy bears picnic March We see poo which they could now legally put in the show Paddington back before Paddington mania swept the country before he had crumpets with the Queen

I knew Paddington not from the books, but from these dreary, boring stop-motion shorts that were on Nickelodeon. They were probably from the UK. Did not care for Paddington. I do want to see those new movies though. And also Smokey the Bear. And the Chicago Bears.

Oh yeah, so the Chicago Bears wearing the uniforms. I liked hearing Selman remark how this is like one of the last times they could just draw the things and weren't told by the lawyers, make it more parodic, change the colors. It's funny. The Paddington now is internationally famous. I bet British kids our age or British people our age when they were kids. Paddington was very well known, but we only knew Paddington as Americans.

If you watched Nickelodeon shows that took advantage of cheaper British imports, like those Paddington things. It did make me want to try Marmalade as a kid long before the movies came out. Yeah, I think they were short subjects on the show Eureka's Castle, which had great puppets, but all the interstitial material was just imported Eastern European worker and parasite style adventures. Don't forget things paid for by the Canadian government too. There was Canadian stuff there too. So Homer is so upset he also is going to be beaten

by an intensive care bear with a crowbar, which he doesn't like getting his hands dirty. That's a cute line. And we see the return of a classic Simpsons joke where the Mexican hat dance is turned on to cover up the sound of an illicit conversation or event. Yeah, why are they pulling from that again? Because that was the joke in season two War of the Simpsons where Lisa says hearing that song has scarred her like it's how she knows something is going wrong. And also

I'm sure it's at least one more time after this but also in Homer Simpson and Delilah when he's trying to get the demoxanil and the droopy voice guy turns on the radio is like meet me in the alley outside. Right right man. Oh and also this season when Homer got his cell phone he also danced to the Mexican Hat song like I dance I dance I dance around the Mexican Hat that song. And now Abe joins him in crying and at first he is loving crying, but then his toxic masculinity lets Homer know he's a failure. Why does a bear need a crowbar? I like to get my hands dirty.

Crying in the corner, huh? Mind if I join you? Oh, go ahead. Oh! All right, that's enough, Frady Sue. Here's what you gotta do. Find that bear that whooped you and whoop him back. Can I fight human style by slowly poisoning his environment until he loses his fur and becomes sterile?

You cowardly swede! You face that bear like a man or I'll never speak to you again! But how will I find out what you had for lunch in 1928? I have a website. Welcome to my home page. Why don't you visit more often? Yes, Abe has registered the domain name old coot.com. The front page says why today stinks. I miss webpages and I miss front pages. You know, professionals still have them.

Like basically just as that of this is my name. Here's contact. I mean, we have one talking symptoms.com. It's just the way to find the Patreon and you know, links to things and things like that. Yeah, though also Nina put together great lists on there of like all of our Halloween and Christmas themed episodes have their own page too. So I did the research, I put in the time and I saw where oldcoute.com brings you to today.

And this, if you type this into your bar up there on the top of your internet browser, you will now reach the page of Grandpa Grachet, a wholesome Christian puppet character who can entertain at your event. Generations of people love him and he can be yours and tell alarmingly Christian stories to your children for what I assume is a very high price. Wow, man. Got to look at this Grandpa Grachet guy to see if he's been covered on Red Letter Media content. These sounds like a Red Letter Media type. You know, we're going to have a live show to celebrate our 10th anniversary. I think we should hire Grandpa Grachet to open for us. You'll warm up the crowd. Perfect. Wow. I wonder if Fox

ever owned old coot.com. Oh, yeah. And this. I'm sure they did at some point, just like how they used to own what badgers eat.com and a lot of the fake websites they made up for, like the Mr. X website as well. Right, good on this enterprising Christian businessman and entertainer to get oldcoot.com. I bet 10% of his visits are from Simpsons fans who are wondering the same thing. Yeah, like everybody who is just watching every episode of Disney Plus and errantly

just typing that in with their phone and finding Grandpa Gratchit, maybe warming their hearts a little bit. And then Homer decides he's going to get some help after being called a cowardly Swede, which is more of like Abe's strange racism, and heads to the Charles Napier's mountain man, which by the way, great Connor, it goes by very quickly that he seemingly killed an entire wedding party of people.

It got away with it too. Because Ken is like, here's a man who shoots animals, not with a camera, but with a gun, and he goes, sometimes I confuse the two. I think we played the clip of that earlier. Yes. It ended tragically. And when Homer visits him, well, why don't I play it just because, though I

don't even love these jokes of how everything he killed is turns into like a thing he uses or eats. I just love hearing Charles Napier's voice some more. Mr. Simpson, if you want to find that bear that attacked you, use this. It tracks an electronic tag stuck in the bear's ear. It's the same technology they used to keep tabs on Gary Busey. Finally, science has joined forces with revenge. Now listen. The bull Grizzly is seven feet tall, weighs more than a Mazda Miata,

and can tear through a tree like a Jewish mother through self-esteem. Next time you face him, you better have some way to protect yourself. That's him eating frozen butterflies like they're chips. And he's got little moo dang as a footstool. We were talking about this earlier. I don't have a problem with this. I kind of like it, but John Swartzwalder, I guess he's still on the staff at this point.

He's not in a room writing jokes with them, but they're learning how to do Swartzwalder cosplay. This character in this scene feels like something John Schwarzwald or would create. And I mean, if we're just judging by the names on scripts, I would say Joel Cohen wrote a better Schwarzwald or style thing than what the John Schwarzwald or credited Regina monologues was as a John's work. They should have traded episodes or at least traded written by credits. I would bet Joel Cohen wanted to get away for everybody didn't want to be the guy

on that Starfucker episode. And I don't know what Gary Busey was up to around this time. This is around the time when he was becoming an internet joke. At least, what has Gary Busey done now? What kind of mischief is he getting up to? And around this time,

there was the Comedy Central reality show, I'm With Busey. I don What kind of mischief is he getting up to? And around this time, there was the Comedy Central reality show, I'm With Busey. I don't know if you remember this, Henry. Right. I do, I do, yes, yeah. It was like a Hollywood dork writer wanted to hang out with Gary Busey and Gary Busey is truly insane

and just like yells at this guy and acts like a tough guy, but he's just nuts. Oh yeah, it was the comedian writer, de la Pena who later created the show. They can't show anymore. Minority for adult swim. Oh, oh, oh, I see. Right. I forgot that man. No, that Gary Busey stuff like Gary Busey's insane comedy reality show things because he was too crazy to be in movies.

He I think had a lot of problems, including like a very bad accident in a I believe a motorcycle that gave him mental health issues. I was sure he had I pre recording this but when I saw the is on his Wikipedia page I was like what I was sure he had to not be checking in. We are recording this on the 1st of November. So it's All Saints Day. And yeah, he is still alive and he's 80, 80 years old. You can survive a traumatic motorcycle accident

without a helmet. And he's been in bad shape for 20, like this joke is about how Gary Busey's insane. This joke is 21 years old now. Like that's how old making fun of it is. I'll just say he'll be on the show relatively soon. He is in a instructional video and he's very funny playing up his, you know, manic real life personality.

Right. Oh my God. I'm so embarrassed. I forgot that. That's right. He's a good sport then to have them make fun of him in this and then do the show. But also he probably wasn't choosingosy with his parts at this time. Though the Gary Busey thing too, I feel like the last time I saw him on TV like actually be filmed for stuff, it was him being insane on a celebrity

apprentice with him screaming at meatloaf who also was crazy. I feel like he is always slotted into these celebrity based reality shows that I only see clips of after the fact. I think he was in like celebrity rehab as well after this. I think you're right. Yeah. Which boy, he's getting bossed around first by Donald Trump and then by Dr. Drew, like two horrible men. Awful.

Awful. The sad story of his life. Now Jake, you see, he seems to just be living a happy life. Yeah. I was wondering what happened to him. I saw him on the red carpet for, oh, I just saw him on a thing because he was at a horror convention that was in my area I considered going to

because previous Talking Simpsons guest Dan Housen was at it, but then I saw it's like literally an hour from Seattle, so it's not really local Seattle, but of the many guests there, Jake Busey was one of them, and I was like, you know what? I love Starship Troopers so much. I'd wanna meet Jake Busey just for that. I think Casper Van Deen just

appears at all of those. Him I've seen I've seen Casper Van Deen without even crying. He goes door to door. And you know what he was very happy when I said I'm here with Casper Van Deen aka Johnny Rico and he lit up he knew he was meeting a dork. I would have asked why did you never play Casper? I also wonder with Casper Van Deen like what does he prefer like dorky lefty nerds who love Starship Troopers ironically or conservative like army nerds who are like yeah I love it when they kill the bugs. When it comes to either group their money spends the same. So Homer is instructed that he's gonna need to prepare to face this grizzly before he tracks him.

And then in, this is the part where I was like, okay, they must have had just money. Like, if you don't spend this money on a song, you're not getting the money for the next production season. So Al Jean spends it. This is useless. Yeah. Use of a, I'm sure a very expensive song.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like this is an Al Jean specialty. This era of music, putting it in a montage, I can definitely tell when his hand is guiding the montage process, because it just feels like, oh, this is perfect for his, when he was a young man, the things he remembers, the things he thinks are naturally funny.

Just I have the tiger behind something, or I've got you babe behind something. But we're going to see a ton of this is the montage era of the Simpsons. These both do not work to me at all. And that's because there is an actual funny use of a the licensed song later in this episode that I did like. But this one, I have the tiger, it's eight seconds of it, it's nothing, and it's also like, well, now wait a minute, Eye of the Tiger is a training montage, not a building montage song. Homer's not training for the bear, he's building a thing. And I guess a tiger is also a big ferocious animal with claws, but there's gotta be some

song with bear in it they could have used, or something a little more on the nose. Also this whole season was full of Rocky song usage. They used the da da da da da da da da like they used it more than once this season already. We get it. Rocky is a cultural touchstone. You reference it. It's too much. This did not need Eye of the Tiger. The only reason I would approve of it now is the thing you've mentioned before Bob that knowing that including it is costing Disney tens of thousands of dollars at least I like that it's forcing Disney before this annoyed me now I'm happy it gives Disney an invoice every month and that survivor gets to make some money out of this until Disney buys all music rights to all songs which

is gonna happen within the next 20 years soon enough yeah soon enough so then just like in project Grizzly, we get the scene of showing off what Homer has built. Also, in the building scenes in Project Grizzly, there was a scene that also made me worry about sparks flying towards the eyes. You remember that shot of him in slow-mo going through a scrap metal factory,

and there's sparks flying off of something, and it's just hitting his face with no protective on. He's like trying to look cool and I'm like, your eyes, your eyes! When it comes to what Homer's doing, even seeing the flame hurts your eyes. So it's a mix of the damage that comes from just seeing the bright flame

and also the sparks that are flying at your face. Another Homer eye damage gag. You're right, they're still punishing his eyes at this time. But yeah, so then we get the reveal. Also, they already still punishing his eyes at this time. So then we get the reveal. Also they already did the, you know, welding torches are bright and hurt your eyes joke back in Saturdays of thunder. So Al Jean's referencing himself again.

Oh yeah, Bart is welding and Homer goes, Bart, you can't weld with such a little flame, stupid kid. And Bart just is holding his hand in front of his eyes. That's all he's doing. So we then get to see the unveiling of Homer's anti-bear suit. Behold the ultimate and anti-bear technology, Oh, dear Lord. Check it out, ladies. A suit that makes me completely invulnerable to bear attack. Oh! Homer, there's no rear on that thing. I know. I get really scared.

I don't want to ruin the suit. Now look here, mister. I forbid you to fight a bear. What kind of example would I be if I didn't take revenge on things? Dad, you can't take revenge on things. You can't take revenge on things. You can't take revenge on things. You can't take revenge on things. You forbid you to fight a bear. What kind of an example would I be if I

didn't take revenge on things? Dad, you can't take revenge on an animal. That's the whole point of Moby Dick. Lisa, the point of Moby Dick is be yourself. You're not going, and that's final. Oh, fine. But do you know how ridiculous you look right now? Fine, but do you know how ridiculous you look right now?

Homer's revealed butt is funny enough, but to know that it's about him voiding his bowels, that's the extra joke there. Yeah, because he will shit when he sees a bear. Though, the next time he wears it, somebody convinced him to wear pants in it. So here's a problem though when you're parodying Project Grizzly. No design they make for Homer's bear suit

can really successfully look stupider than the Ursus Mark VI that's in the movie. Yeah, and like you said, it can't move and you need the character to move for the sake of this episode. Homer's is much more functional than the Ursus Mark VI, which I think I saw by the year 2000 he had gotten up to a Mark 7, which I think could move slightly better. But yeah, there's no way to make it dumber than what's in the real movie, though the coloring and design are similar,

I'd say. I do also like that, yes, Homer's lesson from Moby Dick is be yourself. Yeah, I think the issue is with the design, it's very complicated and looks very hard to animate just in terms of how detailed it is. Which, I'll give Matt Nastick and his team big credit for Homer sneaking off and trying to balance in that suit is animated really well. Yeah, there's a lot of great fluid animation with a very complicated design on that suit, so I did appreciate that scene. He's making every noise possible. And again in Project Grizzly he does mention several

times like my wife thinks I'm crazy, my wife doesn't like me doing this. A lot of mention to his wife, again I was shocked to learn that while they apparently had separated on and off through their marriage they never properly got divorced. They, she always in posthumously after he died, she was being asked about him. She's like, he was larger than life. It was a fun ride at times. That's why she stuck with him.

Part of the design of the suit I like is for no reason he's got the little Spartan mohawk on top of the, on top of his helmet, sort of like a Marvin the Martian touch. Oh yeah, yeah. And I like the rake, right? Putting sharp things right by his eyes, too. And so Homer sneaks off, Marge somehow doesn't wake up

with all of the noise being made, which that also feels like Swartz Welderian, I'd say. Homer meets up with his bros, Lenny and Carl, just like Troy has a bunch of friends in Project Grizzly, and they're also telling him, you're going to die, you know. It feels like a Mike Scully-ish touch that Bart is along for the ride. He liked doing the Homer and Bart bro adventures episodes. I love when their brother is hanging out though they do have to still let Homer know that

Bart has total shame for his name and is changing his name. Bart Lenny, Carl and Homer is a fun foursome but sorry I keep talking about Project Grizzly. Isn't it spellbinding that one guy is talking about Vietnam and the grenade game they played? That's more insane stuff. They can only get that same thrill from getting a grizzly bear to punch them. Yeah, is the message in that scene that they're like,

well, it's the 90s, there's no more wars to fight, so this is how idiot guys like this have to try to put their man down. It's like, oh, it's's 1996 guys. Just wait five years Don't get so impatient. We thought it was over. It was the end of history So Bart heads off with them We do get a little joke about the suit closet as Marge and Lisa also do what they do Which is why that the boys are having too much fun and they're not gonna let that happen Yeah, I like that. There is basically a plot suit closet in the house

Other than the space suit, he hadn't worn any of the other ones in episodes. These are adventures we haven't seen, including the country Western octopus, which is a little too monkey cheese for me, but I like that Lisa delays their exit by trying it on. And she has a very lame joke. I also thought monkey cheese with that country Western octopus is just slamming together random words for silliness

But having Lisa put it on and she's like, oh, you know what? It's fun to be silly sometimes I like that and the arms they work pretty well, too Now it's time for Bart and Lenny and Carl to have some fun while Homer gets scared I never realized how hot this suit is. I'm sweating out all my bloodlust Why don't you take a bath in the river? This bear tracker stopped beeping a half hour ago. Sweet. Hey, the batteries are missing from this thing.

Yeah, we borrowed them for the radio. Sky rockets in flight. Afternoon delight. Rub it up, jump. I'm washing the blood. Oh my god! Lady! Carl!

Bart! Rub-a-dub-dub, I'm washing the blood. Oh my god! Lady! Carl! Bart! Rub-a-dub-dub, I'm washing the blood. I'm washing the blood.

I'm washing the blood. I'm washing the blood. I'm washing the blood. I'm washing the blood. I'm washing the blood. I'm washing the blood. I'm washing the blood. I'm washing the blood. I'm washing the blood. I'm washing the blood. So exciting, skyrocketin' lights. Now we've been talking a lot about Simpsons doing stuff after somebody did it, but this they did before, they hit this before, a couple of famous examples.

I was gonna say, this is always a cheesy, weird song, but rest of development, a year later, I think like a little over a year later, would completely own the comedic domain of afternoon delight. I thought of two examples. So this is the 1976 hit by Starland vocal band, they suck, it's Afternoon Delight.

And yes, this is the end of November, 2003. In July of 2004, the film Anchorman is released, where they also sing Afternoon Delight in it. I only saw that once and it was 2005, so I completely forgot that they did that. There's so many random jokes in it, it's easy to forget. The bros sing afternoon delight together, that's why it feels, that was my first thought, but then yes,

the Christmas episode of 2004 on Arrested Development is afternoon delight. I believe it's the name of the episode, too. And I do really like how that joke is about realizing what the song is about. It just sounds so pleasant and wholesome until you just think about it for a second and you realize I shouldn't be singing this with my niece. It's really a novelty song about learning that you can have sex in the afternoon with somebody. And use a fun euphemism for it. Why wait until the middle of a cold dark night if it feels right now. Get out your

skyrocket. That has one of my all-time favorite filthy arrested development jokes in it because they're using the term afternoon delight to mean sex. However, when Michael Bluth brings it up to his cousin Oscar, Oscar thinks he is referring to a strand of pot called afternoon delight. And so Michael is suggesting to Oscar

that he have sex with his mother while Oscar thinks he is asking him to get his mother high and he says now how will I give it to her and Michaels like it's really none of my business he says maybe I'll put it in her brownie and my goes hey that's a great joke I've been thinking about doing a rewatch of the first three seasons because the Netflix ones really poisoned the well for me And then when I revisit certain jokes, I like or I watched friend of the show Jose's video about the series I just remembered how funny it was and how much fun I had with it 20 years ago It really was a great great first run of that show

Yeah I don't want the Netflix or also learning horrible things that happened on the set to some people for the poor actions of Jeffrey Tambor on the set don't want it to poison all the good times we had on it and the many great but I like that Bart Lenny and Carl have you know organized a little dance to do together while Homer is being mauled to death. I also feel like using afternoon delight in this context is a little bit more of the Arlene and Carl gay kind of moments here So while everybody else is having fun is singing Starland vocal band Homer is being confronted by the bear just like how in project Grizzly when they saw the bear at the end of the movie

They're like the suits a million miles away. I could never get into it and visit this bear. Anyway, it's all just useless It's I thought well Homer's not actually wearing the bear suit when he meets the bear, but it's pulled from reality. It's even sadder in the documentary, really. This is too dramatic comparatively to the ending of the documentary. After this bit, this is where the last deleted scene that is hidden on the DVD is. So it's a funny enough joke after Lenny and Carl greet Marge with Grant Connor. In the aired version, Grant Connor shoots a gun in the air and then catches a bald eagle and starts eating it. So we get some bird violence, which hey, that's what I got to jingle for.

Everybody hates birds, right? Yeah, all of the jokes about him eating all of the animals, it is funny. I did laugh at the, even the bird violence. I like a no look eating of the, and then just eating a full, uncleaned, just bird out of the air on a piece of bread. But the deleted scene is a slightly different joke,

but enjoy it because it's more of the late Charles Napier. Ma'am, I will find your husband before that bear kills him. And if I don't, I'll track that bear down until I kill it. And if I don't, I'll send you a nice box of oranges. And if I don't, then your mailman is a thief. Damn him to hell. I like that. I like that.

I like the sedate sinister Charles Napier, but I like the intense Charles Napier as well. The only thing they didn't have him do that they made him do is Duke Phillips' cry. They always would make him cry. So Homer is chased and cornered by the bear, but this is where he learns that it's not the bear that hates Homer and wants to hurt him, it's that he's in terrible pain from the

electrodes being zapped into him at all times by the tracker in his ear. They're a big fan of this kind of a joke around this time too. The character in Extended Pain having an Extended Pain freakout, they did it with Sideshow Bob and the electrocution. They also did it with Homer recently and something else, but I feel like, oh, we're returning to this, and it just feels like it eats up a lot of time. When we could have jammed in one of the five deleted scenes

instead of Homer doing this electro, oh, it's just being electrocuted again. It's just like the Sideshow Bob thing, actually. There was a lot of lightning striking in this season, too. I think this is the fourth time someone gets electrocuted too many times it hits. I think this is the fourth time someone gets electrocuted too many times it hits. I think they did a fine job with animating it of Homer running around in pain and Dan's screaming is good screaming, but I don't think it's funnier than like two of the deleted scenes we've played here.

Now that we could see what this scene cost us, I'm against it. And this is where Homer does have a funny line as he befriends his new bear friend. I guess this is it. If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die a man. Is this thing hurting you? Hmm. Gah! Ah! Let me get him! I'm gonna call a bike! I can't call a bike! Oh! Oh! Okay.

It's probably the tag. But just to be sure. Gah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Hey, you're not mean. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AHHHH AHHHH A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Geez, I don't know why bear hugs enjoy such a great reputation. The screaming when isolated, you can really tell Dan is giving it his all, so I can at least appreciate the performance. I do like why bear hugs enjoy such a great reputation, but bear hugs are bad. You don't want a bear hug.

The long electrocution, the screaming, it's fine, but man, Sonny not even Cher, I got you babe, not funny. That nostalgia ship has sailed, the ironic take on that was so dusty by this point. But again, I feel like if you don't use your song budget, you lose it, so gotta throw that in. For what, 10 seconds? For nothing, I mean Homer befriending him and being more wild at eating picnic baskets

than the bear is, maybe they thought, that's not funny enough, we need a kitschy song. But I Got You, Babe, at least I was able to show that Afternoon Delight wasn't overused yet by other comedy things, but I Got You, Babe had been very, very overused by this point as a joke. I feel that Why Can't We Be Friends was more expensive and out of their budget. So they switched to I've got you, babe.

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Almost literally, because that was a Christmas album for 1993. Wow, wow. I didn't realize how long, that's so long ago. But Homer befriending him and living with the bears, this is more of him becoming Timothy Treadwell the grizzly man who like always hung out with the bears until he was ripped apart by a bear. He didn't want what the Project Grizzly guy wanted but got it.

Yeah, it's turning into a Timothy Treadwell preview. I wonder, did anybody ever ask him on the record Troy Hurt-U-Bees what he thought of what happened with Timothy Treadwell. I bet he had a ton of opinions on it. That man should have been wearing a suit of armor. Wouldn't you think it's some bear event and by bear event I don't mean the gay kind. Don't you think in like a 2001 or 2002 bear event that they would have both been invited to it, wouldn't you think? Yeah, I forget what Treadwell's deal was, but he was known pre-Grizzly Man.

Yeah, yeah. He filmed so many things. That's why Werner Herzog had so much footage to make a story with. And yeah, that Timothy Treadwell's life, I would think they went in the same circles. One's an American, one's Canadian, but both are in the Pacific Northwest area of going there's only so many places you're gonna find a grizzly in North America They probably caught one of each other, but I want to think that they didn't get along They have different approaches. Yeah, if I could armchair diagnose, Timothy Treadwell's problems personally I thought that one of his problems is that he was a closet case I think that was his issue But I think the project grizzly guy would have thought this guy is close to bears all the time and he's not trying to get

Them to fight him. Yeah, the research and development he could be doing Where is his protective suit or the very least? Why doesn't he have three knives on him at all times like Troy hurt you beast? does That's from project grizzly. I learned a term for a knife I had not heard before which was an Arkansas toothpick which means a very long knife. That sounds like a euphemism but I like it. Also anti Arkansas as a Arkansas native Arkansasian. I think Arkansans take pride in it because it's like no it's a cool knife named after our place. That's cool

We're so cool. We pick our teeth with knives Yeah, so Homer is hanging out with a bear just like Maggie did 13 years earlier in the show So now that they're pals Homer has learned that he's gonna help him with the hunters and this is where Homer sees that they are being tracked. Oh No, the hunter has become the hunter. He must be following this thing. Well, I'm gonna make sure it never harms another living creature.

The killer bear is on the loose in Springfield Forest and local laughing stock Homer Simpson is missing and presumed mauled. Heh, heh, heh. Wrong again, liberal media. A bounty has been placed on the rogue bear in the amount of $10,000. Don't worry. I'll find you someplace safe.

The bear is no longer wearing his tracking device, and it looks like he's headed toward that wildlife sanctuary. Is there any sign of my husband? Your husband appears to be traveling with the bear, either as hostage or as what we call a forest bride. That's a really good joke. Also, add one up to Homer's body count.

I'm not talking about having sex with people. He has killed another person. I always forget it that he kills that guy there. A scuba diver pops up after Homer does it, which Al Jean admits on the commentary, they did the same joke, except without the scuba diver in the movie. That's the one where Homer puts,

I believe it's the bug zapper in the water when they go fishing. Oh, that's right, that's right. Though in, I believe it's the bug zapper in the water when they goes fishing. Oh, that's right. That's right. Though in that one, it has the extra joke of Homer trying to eat the fish and being electrocuted as he eats it, which I do like seeing Bart's reaction of like, what is he doing? This man is insane.

Forest pride again, good term. And I love that. Yes. A forest pride and Marge is,ww. And the bit of Bart and Lisa playing with Lenny and Carl in the background is cute, however the reveal of the adults and kids switching positions, them and possibly being carried, they already did that joke in this same season in Break My Wife Please where Homer and Lisa and Bart are all ambling and sauntering in the background and

then Bart is carrying Homer and Lisa in the final shot. Yeah, and it's the same kind of gag, just a quiet gag in the background. I was so distracted by the humor of the Forest Bride line that I didn't notice it until like the third watch on it. Also I do like hearing Homer's wrong again, liberal media. That's very 2003. We have the mention of Kill Zones, or we see those on the map. Oh right, yeah.

By the way, not the fun video game franchise that everybody loves. Boy, is Killzone just about to launch at this time? I would bet. I think that was a PS3 launch game, so we're three years out from that. I feel like it was a late PS2 game, like 05 is like a Halo killer.

Oh, you know what, you're right, I believe it did start on the PS2. They were really is like a Halo killer. Oh you know what you're right I believe it did start on the PS2 they're really cramming Kill Zones down our throat until we said we're good we don't need this oh yeah Henry you're right 2004 or Killzone. How do you like that? PS2. If you were a PS2 only gamer and didn't play Halo you probably played a bit of Killzone online I was not much of a Killzone fan. Well I'm sure have you reviewed any of the Killzone games in your time in the press? No, the only time I would have gotten close

would have been reviewing it on the PS4 launch game, but I was too busy reviewing Xbox One launch games. I see. I was so in demand as an unemployed games journalist, I reviewed the Vita, the PS Vita Killzone game, Killzone Mercenary. How was it, Bob, do you recall? It was like a B minus.

That was usually the best that Vita could strive for. I mean, Killzone is just a B minus franchise period. And now it's been dead for an entire decade. It's so dead, Sony won't even remaster it for easy sales. God, so that was Killzone Corner, everybody. This wildlife sanctuary thing comes in in the last two minutes of the episode, which they admit on the commentary,

like they feel undeserving of winning the Environmental Media Award for how little they talk about conservation here. Also, doesn't it seem like there should be a joke with the Hibbert family being the one Homer takes the hot dogs from? Yeah, it feels like it's leading to something, but it could be anybody.

But we rarely see these children, so it's nice to see the return of the Cosby kids. I feel like, I think you get to see it. Well, I just watched in the Yellow Lotus episode that Dr. Hibbard and his wife, they have a lot to do in that episode. Yeah, a lot of quality Bernice material. Bernice, I always forget, I was like,

God, it's one of the Duckman characters, which one is it? Now played by Dawn Lewis and not Tressie McNeil. She replaced her alcoholism in the most recent seasons with a pill addiction. Mm-hmm, she's a pill popper. And you know, another thing in this next clip here, it makes me think about how this is late in the season because it's two jokes in a row

that are arguments about writers pitching jokes. Wait, stop. I know bullets can be scary sometimes, but I have an idea. First, we pull off all your fur. All right, all right, I'm still thinking. You're looking for a male bear, right? Oh, it's so easy to condemn, so hard to create. Okay boys, that bear's gonna make a dash for freedom.

Unless we take him down. Yeah, all the way down. What you said didn't really add much. I know. I just wanted to belong. Well, we all feel that way sometimes. I like how they continue pumping the shotgun, even when they're saying just having their back and forth, they're not doing quips. It's the period on every sentence, no matter what.

Yeah. It's a great joke about how in an action movie, a character says a cool thing and then they pump the shotgun. And Cletus adds in not much extra and gets a note on it from him. So that and also Homer's easy to condemn, hard to create. Both of those feel like a response from writers who try to pitch jokes and just get it torn

down and they're tired of it. Except they're shooting down jokes, not the offer to castrate you. The way Homer pulls out that knife just so readily is like they're looking for a male bear and just has a knife right there to castrate him. Is that an Arkansas toothpick? Arkansas toothpick, way bigger than that. Look them up. You can buy one for at least 200 bucks.

Basically when I searched Arkansas toothpick online, if it wasn't a store, it was Knife Reddit saying, look at my cool Arkansas toothpick. Oh, that's awesome. I'm gonna stay away from Knife Reddit. I feel bad now that I've clicked on Knife Reddit. I feel like I'm gonna get some bad suggestions on my Reddit, vanilla Reddit checks now.

So Homer finally does come up with a plan in a clever idea, he dresses him up in the very anti-bear suit is used to save the bear's life. What a clever, clever use of the central plot and parody of this episode. Do you like this choice? It is clever to put the bear in the anti-bear suit. And it being bulletproof saves the bear from being shot.

Though I do like the command, aim for the holes in the colander. Yeah. And the bear makes it, and we get a surprise appearance of Stampy. I assume this is Stampy. The Simpsons Wiki says it is, and I feel like if it's an animal living in a preserve

and being a jerk immediately, it probably is Stampy. The commentary calls him Stampy. Oh, okay, I missed that totally. They say it, but no, I'm mad. Why can't Bart just say, wow, and look, it's Stampy? The fact that it's Bart who exclaims that it's an elephant, couldn't he recognize it's Stampy? Why not do that?

It would've been funny if the bear makes it safely and then Stampy starts shaking him and Bart's like, yeah, get him Stampy. This is a general complaint about Al Jean that has been in my head since we just watched the new episode Shoddy Heat, which has, it's an Al Jean and show run episode where the big reveal that's supposed to be this huge thing for Simpsons continuity or at least was promoted that way. Oh, Burns made a deal with Abe a long time ago and he

said he'd never fire Homer. That's why he never fires Homer. But it's like, no, he has fired Homer many times. And this feels like the same half step of continuity of we drew an elephant in there. It's stampy if you want to think it's stampy. But then Bart doesn't say it's stampy because what they're afraid of confusing the audience? You're already referencing Stampy. Just go all the way. Who cares if you confuse the audience? We're in production season 14.

Is that the one where Stampy appeared in Large Marge? I think that was 13, I want to say, but it was recent. It was recent. And they called him Stampy there too, at least in that one. But we get a very quick ending that wins you environmental awards. He made it! He's finally protected from man. Yeah, but now he's being attacked by an elephant. Well, I'm proud of you, homie.

You set out to fight an animal and you ended up saving its life. What can I say? I love nature. Circle of life. And the bear can now use tools and it's bashing the elephant over the head with a club. I guess it lets it be fair. They're hitting each other. You don't just get to assume that Stampy killed the bear entirely.

That circle of life is just turning the lights off on the episode. Yup. Yeah. It's like, oh, we're at the end. I will give them plotting credit too. I didn't realize it until listening to the clip, when Homer is cornered by the bear and Homer says, I'm going to face this like a man, that is supposed to complete his or does complete his dramatic arc of he was scared he wasn't a man by facing death like a man, he gets back his confidence. So they at least

complete that arc. You know, I forgot about that arc entirely. Maybe if they had kept in all the scenes of him being humiliated by people I would have remembered it but it's fine. The bear stuff is cute enough. But a hundred seconds of conservationism if you're the Simpsons will get you another environmental media award that they don't even remember they got. No they remember the free dinners though. I would bet you get a good spread there. I bet you get a good spread there. Though yes, you do have to be groped by Andy Dick to get that free food. Is it worth it? It's happened to a lot of people. If you're in Hollywood from 1993 to 2013, I think Andy Dick laid his hands on you. Yes. Yeah. It's a sad story, but this was a happy ending to an episode that as far as as a ending to season 14's production

I'm glad I have a better taste left in my mouth than by Regina monologues. Yeah the ending of production season 14 We're really in some doldrums here. I just feel the tiredness. I'm really looking forward to covering today I'm a clown because everyone had a nice time off They're returning for season 15 proper and I think they'll have a lot more energy Although this one was so much better than some of the recent season 15 ones we And I think they'll have a lot more energy, although this one was so much better than some of the recent season 15 ones we covered, which actually were produced later. I know Regina monologues and the Evita one are actually later in the

production run, correct? Yeah. Yeah. At least according to the codes on them. I mean, yeah, it's like, I think they were left in a better place as instead of trying to fit in every British cameo they can, or trying to do an Evita parody without directly doing the songs. I think starting with a dumb guy gets scared of a grizzly bear, that gives you a good start for a Homer episode.

And you at least have some wacky adventures. The worst stuff in this is just too many songs. Those are the deadest jokes in it. It doesn't aspire to anything big, like a trip to another country or a parody of a musical, but it's just a lot of goofy Homer fun. And there are some really funny jokes here, but yeah, you're right. The montages were irritating and some of the scenes that cover very funny. Yeah.

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