Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - The Frying Game With Eric Szyszka

Episode Date: April 19, 2023

We welcome returning great Eric Szyszka from the We Hate Movies podcast for arguably the worst episode of season 13! This incredibly scattershot story begins with a screaming bug, an arrest, and a skeleton all in the first act, then it turns into a murder mystery before a too-long parody of Green Mile. But surely it'll all come together for a satisfying ending, right? You'll only know if you listen to this week's podcast, you nervous Pervis! Support this podcast and get over 150 bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking Simpsons. Head there to check out exclusive podcasts like Talking Futurama, Talking of the Hill, the What a Cartoon Movie podcast, and tons more. I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, recorded on No Pants Island. I'm your host, the marriage super genius, Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who is here with me today, as always? Henry Gilbert, and I'm sexually attracted to fire.

Who do we have on the line? Our special guest. Ah, who do I have to gum to get a refill? This is Eric Siska. And this week's episode is The Frying Game. Whatever happened to fair use? This week's episode originally aired on May 19th, 2002, and as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history.

Oh, boy, Bobby. Final Fantasy XI launches in Japan. The X-Files series finale airs. And About a Boy can't keep up with Spider-Man and Attack of the Clones in theaters. You know what? I like About a Boy better than both of those movies. Really? And I read the book. Wow, i haven't seen the movie yeah man i was too busy seeing attack of the clones for

a third time or spider-man for a fourth time you saw attack of the clones three times i did see it twice but there better have been peer pressure involved uh no i uh well it was so of course i saw the like early as i could on a weekday showing of Attack of the Clones on the first day, on that Friday. And then on the weekend, pals were like, hey, let's see it again. Or they hadn't seen it yet. And I was like, I'll see it again. Because much like with all three prequels, when I saw them in theaters the first time, I was like, I think that's all right. Second time I see it is when I go like, hmm, it's taken a while.

This isn't any fun. I think now my relation with that movie, particularly Attack of the Clones, I saw it in the theater. And I think it was one of the first movies I felt like the blood drained out of my face. I was just like starting to really turn on the whole thing. And then I watched it again in the theater to be like, I must have been mistaken. And no, I wasn't. It was still a bad movie. I did Revenge of the Sith twice in the first to be like i was i must have been mistaken and no i wasn't it was still a bad movie i i did revenge of the siths twice in the first day actually i saw my lord i don't even know you anymore uh look it was just a friend i again i wanted to see it as i was like well this

is the last star wars movie i thought to myself and then after i watched it then two friends were like hey let's see it tonight i was like yeah okay i'll see it again i was i will say if you like high fidelity and our real nick hornby head uh he wrote the about a boy book in high fidelity oh it's all from the hornby verse i i do like high fidelity a lot that's one of my favorites it's basically you know i'm not a record store guy but record store guys and video store guys are pretty similar it's a bunch of like randall's walking around in that store uh but and of course the the x-files series finale uh speaking of disappointments i remember feeling kind of disappointed by it when i watched it i think i watched i believe i watched it and this on the same night uh even it's amazing to be able to retrace your exact uh history with this episode and connected to that

greater world history you were talking about of course the world history includes the end of the x-files yes i mean no matter how uh lame this finale was they would go on to make worse things out of this ip there was another movie in the aughts and i know we hate movies covered that a while back and then there was that was that season reboot that nobody cared about. There's a season 11 and 12. Oh, no. Wow, it's amazing. We kind of collectively forgotten, I feel like, that the X-Files even came back.

Maybe that's just coming from me as someone who wasn't as an X-Files super fan. Well, that first return episode, I watched the whole season and i think i probably should have because of season 11 people told me no no the chris carter episodes are the shitty ones but the few guys he hired who were the good writers on old x-files they wrote good episodes of this new one because the first episode back of season 11 they basically make an alec jones character in it except he's right and he's played by joel mckale which is like alex jones on his best day has never looked like joel mckale no but this series finale it was a very interesting one because david ducoveny had quit the series he and they and even um gillian

anderson jillian anderson was pulling back from the series too and they were kind of uh they introduced two replacement characters with the idea of like could this just go for another season with uh the t-1000 and some lady well people patrick yes yeah he was some lady i i just remember his name was like uh robert doggit i think it was or dagger but anyway they decided they should to use an actual dog. Right. Was it was it Dex dog tech to from food fight? But so then he came back. Duchovny came back for the two hour finale and it ended with the promise of, well, the aliens are going to invade on on whatever the end of the world day was on the Mayan calendar in 2012. That was the promise of the end of the finale then in the movie

they're like well we're not talking about that thing and then in the and then in the season 11 which premiered i believe in 2014 or 15 they had to go like uh well yeah that just didn't happen and also cigarette smoking man's dead and we're we got to move over he's back to life now actually like yeah it's it's a lot of problems, it's not very good, and FFXI I did not play that, I was not touching MMOs back then. Well I can tell you I have a video game podcast by the way, it's called Retronauts

and because I have that, I can tell you that this was back in the day in which you could say things were way ahead of time in Japan, like throw up the Super Mario Bros. 12 in Japan because this did not come out in America and the hard drive did not come out in america for almost two years so they sat on it for a very long time it was like the only game that used the ps2 hard drive in america yeah it was the only one that required it i think back then again it was special for a video game console to have a hard drive on

it like the fact that the xbox came with a hard drive was a big deal i remember even people saying like well that's why it's so huge and ugly and expensive because that hard drive who needs it now every system needs at least 500 gigs to fit three games on them like the size of the games are they're ridiculous now and this one this one was 40 by the way 40 gigs wow man that wouldn't even fit like the dlc of any PS5 game now or an update. I just doubt, yeah, whatever. Anyway, yeah, so that's what happened when this episode first aired. And joining us once again is Eric Siska from We Hate Movies.

Welcome back to the show, Eric. Thanks for having me. I'm happy to be here, happy to be talking to Talking Simpson. Yeah, how goes the world of bad movies these days eric well i mean it's going pretty good i guess i mean i feel like you'll never not have bad movies so we're always in the black that's the good one right the red is the red is the bad one black is good yes yeah okay now eric if i were you i'd be very worried because you folks over there are not part of the screamiverse and ghostface could be around any corner now that you've been integrated into their world.

That is true. Yes, we had two posters in Scream 6, which is very exciting. And I'm very happy to see that both characters that had We Hate Movies show art in their rooms were targeted to be murdered because sometimes, oh boy, the messages i get on the internet are these reviews i read of we hate movies or i log into my twitter account these mentions oh how i would yearn for ghostface to help me out here the we hate movies tagline should be you're at risk yes uh yeah i uh it i liked that it was early in the movie i saw it too, because I had heard you guys tease the like, oh, you might want to be a movies fan.

I want to go see Scream 6 and early in the film. I see it also. I it was part of like, seriously, one of the best opening kills in a Scream movie like ever. Like, it's really good. It's really good. And I think like the goodness that is the we ate movies podcast like rubbed off onto scream and made it even a better movie like maybe they didn't maybe they didn't

have it all together until they figured out where that poster was going to go and they worked backwards and made a good film also the number one earning scream movie in history and i think that has entirely to do to the background visual nod to our show. It's entirely at my foot. I'm just happy that there is now a neutral portrayal of podcasts and other media because most of the time when a podcaster appears in another form of media, the perspective is, aren't they annoying? Let's kill them.

Because people that make movies and TV are jealous of what we do. They very much are they always have you know they did original podcasts also in the continuation of x files like they did well you know what podcast is coming back and ghostbusters uh too all right all right yeah ghostbusters afterlife 2 which hopefully will feature uh like a good amount of screen time on the character podcast i hope podcast starts a patreon in the good amount of screen time on the character podcast. I hope podcast starts a Patreon in the sequel. He's leaving money on the table.

He really is. You know, you can't just keep on waiting for that ad rev, you know, come on podcast. I still haven't watched the movie, but I watched the scene at the end of that ghost. It feels wrong. It feels wrong, doesn't it? Because it is wrong. We shouldn't be raising people from the dead i mean even though it's all his like friends but it's also like well bill murray you're not his friend you fucked him over like you made that you know henry with the

way bill murray's life is going maybe he will be a ghost in the next movie no he'll it'll be like how they talk about uh the the character that got ridden off of uh mandalorian they'll be like peter venkman got a new job far far away well what am i saying yeah he's not allowed near any movie sets anymore so now i mean i i feel like he'll be a mean old man who lives a very long time but he won't be in anything actually what there was a new poster for wes anderson's new movie out to the very time we're recording this i didn't check if bill murray was in the cast but i feel like no matter what happens on a movie set i think bill murray will still like even if he's just in like a box he'll be in a wes anderson film he'll be green screened in yes that'd be smart from a secure location where you can't get handsy just be uh you know

what with the technology how it is today they can just film him alone on they'll have to use the covet protocols only on bill murray on movies and also you guys on on we hate movies you're doing a ton not just so much on your patreon but also you've started like regularly doing streams on youtube as well yes yeah our youtube channel is uh youtube.com slash we hate movies and it's sort of just we kind of just uh we used to do this on screen thing back in the day where we kind of like do our thoughts about a new movie or what's going on in the culture or whatever and uh we decided you know we got some free time why don't we start churning some of these out and

see how far we can make it i mean the response has been pretty good so far no i have really liked seeing you guys react to the to the box office talk about a new thing i i have not watched this week's one i watched last week's one and uh i hope to hear you guys make fun of shazam two over and over and over again like yeah oh christ i didn't even see that film but there's sure there certainly is plenty to make fun of it, even without seeing it. Yeah, no, the behind the scenes stuff is funnier too. And Zachary Levi loses his mind more and more. It's very interesting. So this episode, though, I want to say up front that Henry and I have really evolved beyond our previous stance of, you know, like only seasons two through nine are good

and the rest throw in the trash. We're finding good things beyond that and finding things to appreciate. But I will say season 13 is very uneven. this episode is rotten it's bad and uh 20 years ago when this aired i had a friend uh and this was the episode that broke him this is what's the was the point of no return for that friend and he would just constantly cite the scream a pillar as the reason he turned away but there are much worse things in this episode but i feel like this is significantly worse than a lot of things we've seen this season and perhaps it is the worst thing we've seen this season i would have said that gump roast was the worst because it's a clip show in in season 13 and it's also a long force gump parody but this

doesn't have the excuse of being like a clip show written by one of the stars of the show so you can't like turn it down this is them trying like this is supposed to just be it feels like late in the season punchiness and also that they just let john schwartzwalder like write something they didn't rewrite too much or just let it go or it also i'm not even going to play the sound effect that i are the the unexpected act one thing because this episode is like five of those through the entire episode like it it's a it's a collection of pitches yeah i guess this might tie with uh al jean's first production episode this year in which the ending is the family conspiring to have grandpa sexually assault a woman that's a pretty that's a pretty low low what's wait is this this is a new episode or is this season 13 you're talking this

is season 13 in the episode brawl in the family uh their vegas wives homer and ned's vegas wives show up and to trick the vegas wife of homers into leaving they get her very drunk and then she marries abe and she had she wakes up in bed with Abe the next morning, it's where there's the line of Abe get another term in the Oval Office line. Oh, good gravy. You know, this is also the family gets arrested season because- They weren't then. They should have been.

Well, in the middle of the episode, they were arrested. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they did so much in jail this season. It's so overdone. And so this is one where Homer goes to court two different times in the episode. I agree with your friend, Bob, actually, 20 years ago, too. This was when I fell off, too. This was when I stopped taping every episode.

I had a lot of shaky moments in season 13 but then i saw this one as well there was the then the commercial for not to get ahead of ourselves on the finale but because the finale airs three days after this they had a commercial for it and the commercial made it seem like it was a sopranos parody entirely when it's really just at the end of the episode and i thought now fuck this this is 2002 a sopranos parody like three years too late no way i'm done with this like that was i actually skipped papa's got a brand new badge on first airing uh because i was pissed off you couldn't accept the sopranos were being spoofed well it's just like this episode the whole time i was watching i

swear the first time i watched it the whole time i was thinking i know this is going to be a screw you ending to get out of this i know you're not really going to kill homer and it'd probably be unsatisfying but the way in which it is unsatisfying is so bad like it just it's there's f you endings and then there's like take a shit on you endings and that's that's more what this one is to me yeah i had I had to wipe myself down. It is. Yes, it's kind of a steaming pile. And I had already left watching The Simpsons by this point. I think maybe season 12 or 11 or something, I pulled the cord. But to pay the sum compliments, I think there are a few decent jokes. Just, you know, the show here is very much just a joke aggregator like to a fault really like

arresting wigum for the for one joke line seems kind of dumb and obviously you reverse it a second later there's there's like six good jokes in it that do make me go like yeah that's good that's our consistent compliment even in episodes that we think are kind of weak but they really don't save this episode. And I think you said it beforehand when we were talking about it, Bob, but you think it feels like Schwarzwalder's about, he's almost out the door at this point. I think he has two episodes left

in like a Halloween segment, I'm pretty sure. I was shocked to see his name on this. I thought he would be gone by now. He essentially is. And this is also the only thing I remember from this commentary was that that it's a rare grading commentary like he really doesn't do too many in the later seasons on the dvds but also that because dan castellaneta's uh wife and co-writer deb lacusta is there she has funny stories to tell about working with john schwartzwelder at an ad agency in Chicago in the 80s.

Like that. That's really funny. And as well, they have this is the most I've heard them tell stories of Schwarzwalder being a libertarian troll, which is funny to hear. I like those stories. Like there's a lot of libertarian trolling in this episode. Yes, yes. The EPA stuff, especially, although I did get a good laugh out of dr foot

see that's swartz welder was made for twitter just too old he because he would be the guy on twitter who'd be like um actually you know there's more rainforest than ever like that's apparently what he would always do in the the office to the other people well you know he is on twitter but he only sells his books on there and that really is him by the way i couldn't believe it until that new yorker article with him like saying no for real that's him i was certain it had to be a phony it had to be a phony but would he play for the the blue check mark now i wonder i don't think so guys if two weeks from now everything has changed in the blue check mark discourse remember this is we're making this joke when it was just announced that that would be the only blue checkmark right so you're gonna have to pay 84 a year or something to retain your blue checkmark even if

you are a celebrity it's it's i mean that's the thing is like squarcelander could be conservative but not outright stupid what's gonna happen to all his money because he seems like he's gonna have to like leave it to a nephew or something uh because he he seems to be a a vol sell if i'm so no heir to the throne not even not even a missus or a partner at all they have i've never in all their john sports folder stories there has never been a mention of any romance in his life i think he's going to leave his money to baseball just the concept of baseball he should find some minor league team that needs help and he'll leave all the simpsons uh royalties in perpetuity to them uh but uh but yes so the episode begins with a very silly opening of the guys at the bar having uh what it first seems like an argument about boxers but is just comparing the incomparable mu Ali versus anti-lock brakes or Johnny Mathis versus Diet Pepsi.

Yeah. I mean, this is a little weak element here. I feel like you could have done an actual joke here. If you ask me, Muhammad Ali in his prime was much better than anti-lock brakes. Yeah, but what about Johnny Mathis versus Diet Pepsi? Oh, I cannot listen to this again. Guys, I just ordered my wife the greatest anniversary present, a koi pond. A koi pond?

Yeah, a meditative lily pond with big, beautiful fish that fry up really good. Oh, that's the perfect gift. Yeah, you don't even have to feed the fish, because squirrels drown in it. You got this husband thing down, Homer. Yeah, you must be some kind of marriage super genius. How about a few tips? Certainly, Lenford. Make every day a celebration of your love.

Surprise her with a pasta salad. Put a mini beret on your wing. Oh, this stuff is gold. Happy marriage. Here I come. Hmm. This will really help with my speed dating. I got 400 no's.

This is one of the many times where I was like, how would Family Guy have done this different? And I just think, well, they wouldn't have. This would be pretty much the exact same scene. You could see Peter and his friends having a beer at the Drunken Clan. It feels very aughts like there's a lot of like there's certain vulgarities in this episode that took me by surprise i like homer saying wang i i complained about this before and hunker burn hunker hunker burns in love went over his wiener to refer to penis now him saying put a put a little hat on your wang i'm like but also why is homer

spending this much money on marge this is very out of character for him for this it is and you think it would be fucking shitty like oh homer's gonna get you a koi pond and you would think that it would be like full of fucking i don't know electric eels or it would have some type of shitty element yeah it seems like he hired a contractor or something. Although I do like how they nod to it in Marge things like, how much money did he piss away on this? See, I do love that joke that Marge thinks that. But also it's like, well, Homer never spends money on you ever. But it's funny to hear Marge think the words, piss away.

Yeah, piss took me off guard but also great line from lenny in this opening about the koi pond of how yeah you don't even need to feed the fish because squirrels drowned in it that's good i can definitely identify like that's a john schwartzwalter joke you can tell what parts are his the the vision of of koi's eating dead squirrels that just float around in there for months uh yeah and her like i like marge going there to like meditate or get you know collect her thoughts and there's just a rotting uh rotting squirrel floating around uh and uh according to the wiki lenford still is lenny's official first name they have never undid undone that one so lenford leonard yes

lenford leonard you're right yes and so yeah homer gives a bunch of tips to the guys uh this is when mo goes out there to try his speed dating again this is an extremely 2000 core joke of speed dating this new thing called speed dating have you heard about this folks at least he instantly comes back and said i mean the speed of it is at least funny but it's like i don't know speed dating jokes were very overdone at that point yeah he went out and got 400 no's and when i get asked to guest on other podcasts i got 400 no's and now i'm here so we discriminate uh yeah we uh we speed podcast in that we record five a day. No, no.

And they're each three hours long. So one of my favorite jokes in the episode is the gag of Marge with the blindfold. That they draw the blindfold to be too small to cover her actual eyes. And the way that one dot moves above it and Homer rolls it down with a squishy sound effect. That's good. Anytime they acknowledge the freakish anatomy of the characters, it's fun. Like Homer with his giant contact lenses that are like the sizes of like tea dishes or, you know, teacup dishes.

And Marge has the good line here about, oh, what a sweet, wonderful man child. That was almost my intro line too. And so, yeah, it's like you said, Eric, it's crazy. Homer did a good job. He spent lots of money and bought her an amazing koi pond. This is not the standard Homer joke. You know, if it was infested with screaming caterpillars or somehow that was more like deeply connected

to the introduction of the koi pond, that could have been something to blow up in his face but it just seems like the screaming caterpillar is just just shows up now it'd be nice if that was like they were crawling out of the box or something that some of these rocks were delivered in or uh yeah instead they just have it be like nah just it showed up he he could have bought it from a weird guy and then it's like oh there's one problem and he's like i don't care and then that's when he learns the scream a pillar but yes uh why why don't we hear our first visit of the scream a pill

what was that what the hell is that noise? The caterpillar is screaming. Oh, the poor thing's in pain. What he needs is a visit from kindly old Dr. Foot. Hold it right there, Dr. Foot. You're about to kill an endangered species, the Screamapillar. Which has chosen your yard as its home. Fine. I won't kill it. Finish the job.

Mr. Simpson, allowing an endangered species to die is a federal offense under the Reversal of Freedoms Act of 1994. You are now legally responsible for the safety and well-being of this screamer pillar everything you need to know is in this pamphlet screamer pillar care tips wow look at all this stuff without constant reassurance it will die it's sexually attracted to fire are you sure god doesn't want it to be dead hey what's god gonna do make my wife leave me again uh there are a few funny jokes in there i i still think of the sexually attracted to fire that's a good one yes yeah but honestly the epa has too much power yeah we're under their boot right now and of

course of their reversal of freedoms act of 1994 man it's so this yeah this is the extremely swartzwalder part of the episode too like though well first i will say i do like that lisa is meditating buddhist style like she still is a buddhist i guess as richard gear would say but yeah i think the the epa stuff is so swartz welder like this is and like this was a canard of the 70s uh or even farther back but that's when the endangered species act was uh passed in 73 okay and they were also set 1978 amendments to it and the complaint then it's pretty similar to the bad politics we talked about in that episode of king of the hill with the disabilities thing of like this will impede business like that was always

the complaint of like oh i want to build something but they'll say there's spotted owls here and i can't and blah blah blah and i looked into this again like everybody says like oh how much this will impede american businesses uh this was on the wiki for it but this is a world wildlife fund examination from 87 to 1991 they looked at 73 000 consultations which basically is if you want to build say a factory and then you have to consult with the epa of like does this endanger animals you then have to do a consultation and world wildlife fund often does the go-between out of 73 000.47 percent learned about potential jeopardy for species and only 18 of those had to actually cancel a project even wow massive government overreach now this reminds me of uh in college

i was a bit of a free thinker if you will and i and i was very good i was getting the uh the tv show bullshit sent to me via netflix and i was like oh penn and teller they tell it like it is and you know the early episodes were fun because it was like we're gonna we're gonna find these religious hucksters and show them for what they're worth and all that stuff and you know people that are ripping people off with health scams but then it got to one that was basically like oh people are being inconvenienced because endangered animals started living around them and I sided with the animals frankly that was the turning point in my life yeah yeah i also was a bullshit watcher who they get you in with the stuff of like this is again we're talking about

libertarians here in comedy but it's like some they start with the stuff that like oh liberals like agreeing with libertarians on this about like pot laws or or sex workers or all that stuff but then after a few episodes are like hey like, hey, but you know what? The people with disabilities, I mean, do they even need those handicapped parking spaces? Like, it's kind of inconvenient. Recycling makes you feel good, but guess what? It's bullshit.

It's an infringement on my rights. Maybe I want to park near the door. And you know what? We found one guy who says it shouldn't even be a handicapped spot. I did also look into how many people actually have served time for it and actually endangering a species on a personal level. It is extremely rare. But the rare cases get the headlines because conservatives still want to complain about

it. rare cases get the headlines because conservatives still want to complain about it like oh this this woman killed a deer that was she didn't know was in danger that was just on her property and it turns into property rights stuff the only two big ones that actually i saw that resulted in jail time one it was applied to joe exotic uh but but honestly joe exotic he was going to get 20 years for trying to hire someone to murder somebody so the the endangered species stuff was more like oh here's an extra two years for that hey you know what i'm voting for him next year it doesn't matter i i'm i agree with his gay policy i don't agree with his killing tigers policy um and the other one was this guy in 2014 got super drunk in Las Vegas and him and his friends wanted to just go into this like pond that's like about a half hour away.

And they broke into a government facility that was protecting the pond, like had a shotgun and blasted the locks off of it and and then walked through the pond, which also killed some devil hole pupfish. That's the name of him, devil's hole. And he got like 12 months in prison for that. But honestly, more of it was the destruction of government property than killing the animal. Like breaking and entering. What a patriot, you know? Do not tread on me.

I'm liberating that pond so that someone could put i don't know so plunder industries can pour oil into it or something the the description of how it happened sounded like a pure simpson seat like this is homer lenny and carl like that they're driving around with a shotgun blasting stop signs they get to the gate and they're like we're gonna climb over they climb over then the guy goes like see i told you and he like punches his friend in the dick and then he goes like okay let's strip off and get in the pool and then he gets in the he gets naked stops around in the water and that's when he kills all these uh endangered pup fish it's uh nice so yes this very rarely happens but of course swartz welder sees it as as the evil EPA with their government overreach.

Just like in the movie, in the Simpsons movie, which we did it when we made movies on. God damn you, Richard Nixon. You're starting the EPA, you piece of shit. It was Nixon. Horrible man. Yeah, it's funny. Horrible man, certain better policies back in the day. It's kind of odd.

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the the argument of maybe these things are in danger for a reason not because of big business but maybe it's natural selection like that that right before too well we'll conveniently believe a natural selection of make for this argument forget it for the next one right yes i also like that this is kind of framed as how swartzwalder thinks caring for a baby is dumb and stupid well you know he's got you there we got the baby monitor out uh for the screamer pillar and you know it's it's funny that's just like yes what if you have an endangered species you have to bend over backwards you have to put a baby monitor out you have to go out there in the middle of the night and burp it yeah i know it's a joke for a baby but it's so funny to frame

it in this way to to ride the epa but a great moment marja uh you know patting its back burping it and it just vomiting all this green goo on her back visible vomit that's another thing of season 13 it's a pretty cute bug though it is we're getting gross the the nice thing of having debla custa on the commentary is that she can mention that you know you guys made dan scream a whole bunch in this episode and you know it's hard to actually scream a bunch for for acting because he was the voice of the screamer pillar as well as Homer doing some yells, too. And when you listen to it, note it for yourself. Like, the screams aren't, they didn't get one scream and repeat it.

Like, they did have Dan do new screams every time. He's a professional. But no sleep screams. Yeah, the sleep screams louder or quieter i want also i do wonder if graining was around wasn't around for the pitch of santa's little helper hurting a kitten because he does not like animal violence and also animals act like people a lot in this episode especially the scream of pillar but yeah says a little help her shaking that little white kitten that is a very swartz welder scene to me too right because because bart uh comes by and it's uh it's shaking the scream of pillar so he swaps it out with the

cat oh and also on the scream of pillar care tips i like that even in this government document the picture is the scream of pillar like giant killing people rampaging through a city yeah uh and so homer is then reading him a story which the mouth movements indicate that it was adr but honestly i think this is funnier the the way that he just uh instantly goes to the end but this is when homer crushes that horrible bug and he doesn't know what he's going to do. Why don't I hear any screaming? He's sleeping. Then why don't I hear any sleep screams?

Well, the thing about that is... Woo-hoo! He's alive! No, you can't punish me. Homer Simpson, for attempted insecticide and aggravated buggery, I sentence you to 200 hours of community service. Ow! Next case, Duff Man versus Duff Brewing Corporation. Duff Man's pension has been mismanaged. Oh, yeah!

Objection! That potty-hardy attitude is a registered trademark of the Duff Corporation. Whatever happened to fair use we're gonna play that scene when we go to court with disney fair use keeps us going i bring this up all the time but people ask me sometimes like how do you get away with playing those clips we never asked we just do it we heard about fair use once and we're like you know what we're just gonna keep doing sometimes you just gotta wish for the best you know it is kind of a worse version of i am evil homer of homer talking to his angel and demon but i do at least like the the evil homer kills good homer and says now we're in it together there's no going back and that was a good moment he high-fives his shoulder devil i like that also duff man's pension uh mismanaged my god a pension what what you know it's 2002 or earlier

i think those are all gone now i at least i know when i worked in television for like 15 years like a corporate job millennials weren't weren't weren't were not eligible for pensions. Gen X and up. You got them, but not for millennials. I honestly think by the end of the aughts, all the pensions that weren't, you know, taken by the rightful owners were gambled and then lost on the stock market. Yeah, this this is a very Enron era joke. But then by 08, the joke is about losing pensions on, you know that giant crash not being confused with the crash that seems to be like right on the verge of happening every day after the silken valley bank thing people were like is this going to be the domino effect and

it hasn't really happened yet it seems like people are just wishing for it to happen now. It's just like, oh, I called it. Oh, fuck. Oh, there it is again. Oh, I called. Oh, fuck. It's not happening. Why isn't the economy crashing? Everybody's been calling for a recession for a while now, and it hasn't happened yet.

Yeah, well, you know what? I hope they get their wish, I guess. I don't know. I'm not too smart on all this stuff. But I feel like when you have a whole concept of money revolving around is, is the market afraid? Is some old grampy with their morning tea? How do they feel today? Oh, should the whims of the entire global market be tied to the little grampy worried about maybe there's a recession? I guess so. I guess that's our system. system also if the

workers that's my read on too much power a lever is pulled and all the jobs come to an end if the worker has even a tenth of what uh the boss has in the in labor negotiations it's like oh lay everybody off right now mr president three starbucks have unionized you remember how like a year ago everyone was like oh no one wants to work anymore no one wants to go to work anymore and now it's like oh no too many too many people have jobs that's what's causing inflation and and also they uh you know they do want to work but from home boo no that's that's working but it's not working right i do like the the smash cut from homer saying now you can't punish me to him in uh front of the judge that's a classic sitcom cut they do they do that like three other times aggravated buggery as well as uh

so so then comes the the only deleted scenes on the dvd for this but they are long it's like a minute of deleted scenes really yeah so apparently they wanted to have more fun with homer doing community service so it's him doing a bunch of community service before they get to the meals on wheels thing and it's a giant cut it's three different things homer does one is he is told to clean up graffiti that's on an underpass but when he is cleaning up the there is a uh like a kids paint mural of unity like one of those 70s kind of like buy the world a coke thing of broad stereotypes of diverse people holding hands homer then paints over it and then in the background there are real life versions of all of those stereotypes and then they start fighting each other as soon as

the unity things could have been a good gag is that a schwarzelander too uh schwarzwelder yeah schwarzwelder my apologies then homer goes to school to talk to a bunch of kids during it bart pisses him off and he starts strangling bart and then wigum adds more hours to his community service one time he's been punished for the child abuse it's true series and finally there's a honestly too subtle joke that i think i get why they cut it homer is picking up trash with you know one of those like pointy sticks in uh in the park and then wigumiggum says, hey, stop that. Get back to your community service. And then he starts mowing the grass in the park instead.

So the joke was that Homer was cleaning up of his own accord and Wiggum didn't count it as community service and he wanted him to mow instead for it to count. A little too subtle, I think. It's kind of a confusing joke, yeah. So you can see why they just skip straight to Meals on Wheels. I odd that it's just wheels on meals that's a real thing that's a real trademarked uh i guess organization not really a business although i guess it is a business it's fair use oh yeah yeah but i mean i guess it's the end of the season but where's your funny

parody title of wheels on meals yeah you know what they should have had something funny with that you're right they didn't even try homer just is an employee of meals on wheels which still exists it's one of those like government funded things like pbs where it's like partially government funded but counts on uh donations to work to and that also that it it's pitched by democrats as like you know this is good because it and it is. I'm not saying it's bad. It's good that it brings food to the elderly who have trouble. They can't just go to the grocery store. But it also they pitched it as, well, you know, it saves money to Medicaid because these people aren't going to assisted care all the time. They're just getting food given to them a few

times a week. And it also to show how evil the trump administration was in 2017 they proposed cuts to it and said that quote just not showing any results was what they said about the cobbler has been removed you keep giving these people dinner and there's less dinner and there's no more dinner so obviously it's not working i mean what are the results they wanted to see like fatter old people like they're eating better i don't know yes we need fatter old people and so yes homer uh is he there's an argument about cobbler where they repeat cobbler a bunch of times this was the line that felt very dana gould to me now let's not get into who smells like what yeah like that's very Dana Gould construction and I think that the baton is passed from Schwarzwalder to Dana Gould because

we know from you know listening to him and his podcast and reading about his life that at this point he was the caretaker unofficially of Myla Nurmi who played Vampyra Dana Gould has always been a horror hound. And living in Hollywood, he ends up looking up all of these old stars and finds out Myla Nurmi is not living her best life and he's taking care of her in her old age. But she is also very dependent on him. So this is him working on some of his aggressions

of that old vampire lady. Very interesting. Wow. I had no idea about that. Yeah, it's amazing. it reminds me of how you hear stories about like peter bogdanovich taking care of orson welles and orson welles just being a terrible roommate that needs to be a movie like ed wood is with um uh you know uh fucking dracula yeah bellagosi bellagosi classic see in ed wood case, he picked the guy who wouldn't live a long time,

who he was going to take care of him for like four years. Dana Gould, I think, ended up taking care of Vampyra for like 20 years or something. Wow, yeah. She passed away in 2008. Women, they live too long. You've heard it here first, folks. Too much cobbler. And also not as much heroin as

bella lugosi was enjoying oh that's true he did love those pick-me-ups yeah you know what the fact that her house is the haunted mansion from disneyland that also makes me think it's the vampire deal as well which and yeah when they did the commentary they were talking about how her then recent death they all knew about it because he it because Dana Gould also paid for her funeral, which Dana Gould at the time was married to a very rich woman. So it's not like he couldn't afford it. Well, that's good. I mean, funerals are expensive.

You can't even die in this country, folks. No, no. Yeah. Just toss me out by the highway. I mean, also with this talk about Medicaid stuff, people should read previous guest of the show and our pal Libby Watson. She had a bunch of very horrifying stories about what happens when you die with Medicaid debt

and how your house gets taken from you and it's really, really bad. Nice. Love that. In all of these scenes always remember this is carmen electra in doing old age makeup always remember this i forgot about yeah the reveal i don't i don't like look back on what happened before you know right yeah because if you look it's it's sloppy isn't it like come on it's it's truly i mean the reason it's carmen electro is to really rub in

your face like this is how sloppy it is we don't even like look this is getting ahead of ourselves but i don't think they have like even respect for carmen electro like they wanted to work with her they're just like no i would bet she was like the fifth hot lady they asked to do the show even i mean they give it away at the end when she reveals herself and the guy with the braces says, and I'm some actor they hired. It's not even another guest or a named character. But I do love Frances Sternhagen. I really love her voice. I love when I see her in stuff. When I hear her voice, I do first think of Cliff Clavin's mom from Cheers.

That's what she's most known for. And she got an Emmy nomination. Yeah, two Emmy nominations for that role. And she's really great in Misery. I was looking up her IMDb and she's been in a million things. She's also like some character's waspy mom in Sex and the City. And she's good at that. She's a mean lady in that.

This is her in her nice way. I love her in Misery. She is like the assistant to the policeman in that. And at the time of this recording she's 93 years young still with us we wish her a very happy life francis stern hey i actually re-watched misery not long ago real still really good great jimmy kahn yeah hey he's no he's no longer with us uh and he'll be in season 16 of the Simpsons. And now there's a sexy prequel with Lizzie Kaplan. God, is there?

Yes. What? Wait, wait, wait. What? Yes, there's a misery prequel, Annie Begins. It's not called that, but I think it's just called Misery. And maybe that's why Lizzie Kaplan could not be on the reboot of Party Down, perhaps. This is interesting. This is a big trend now, right?

Because now we have Crystal Lake coming up with some type jason vorhees prequel of some sort yeah and we had bates motel in the 2010s as well which i heard was a fine show yeah there's a million episodes of that and there's that springwood show that's about to happen too uh that's the the nightmare they need to film it in california sorry eric and i guess there was hannibal as well so there's been um i think child's play even has some uh i haven't watched an episode of this uh new show but i do believe they do do some prequel ish stuff nothing ever stops or ends uh but i you know the simpsons is a perfect fucking example that's true yeah the snake eating its own. I wonder, we said this before on another previous episode, but if The Simpsons ever actually stopped,

I think it would allow other things to get old and be considered too old to do something. But since anything that came out after The Simpsons, like even the film Misery, doesn't feel old as much because The Simpsons hasn't stopped. Though, you know what? I love Lil Z Kaplan. I love the movie Misery.

Maybe I do want to see this. Maybe I want to check this out. You can see when she saw the movie where the car didn't go over the cockadoody cliff. Oh, finally, finally. That is me. That is my, honestly, I agree with her. They need to show that car going over the cockadoody cliff.

But yes, Homer. You have Paul Feig tied up in your bedroom. Oh, yeah. They then have a very very silly like again i could play the unexpected act change jingle already because it's not even a commercial break and homer already has bought a koi pond had the screamer pillar done community service and now he thinks he's about to be murdered by an old lady with an axe yeah i mean uh we'll talk more about this as we as we head through the teen season but i feel like uh an issue with some of these seasons is that every act is a different story where it's like act one taking care of a

scream appeller act two taking care of an old lady act three green mile parody uh right there's really no through line it just is i mean there's a baton being passed off and normally with the Simpsons you would have an unrelated first act that was kind of a tradition in a cheat for the writers but now it's like the twist comes with the second act as well it's like again we have a clip for that the uh the clip we have that we play on the show yeah though I will say in a vacuum this little clipper of Homer lighting matches, this did make me laugh. Oh, I can't let you leave now. Safe and sound.

Oh, that's better. Oh, thank God I'm out of matches. Oh, no, here's another one. The oh matches oh no here's another one the oh no here's another one i do like that how he's so stupid he has to keep lighting them and oh no there's another one i'm gonna see the scary skellington again this actually is the cockadoody car complaint that is a full skeleton when you see it at the end of this act when you come back from commercial then there's a black outline around it to make it clear it's a costume. It is not a costume at all in that shot. Perhaps.

I know that's the point. It's seen through Homer's eyes. We're seeing it as Homer sees it, I see. the the way the scattershotness of this how having every single thing every act being like a new story you'd never get any of those human moments anymore with like the family or maybe someone in the town some type of breather some type of humanity here instead we just have to keep going and going to that point we homer had two jobs in this episode well uh well three i guess you know the power plant uh when he gets mr brins to cover from is very funny then it's meals on wheels and then it's fucking uh being a servant in a whole butler's outfit yeah the i i do like that homer tries to sell her on killing lenny but yeah this doesn't

this doesn't know what this episode wants it to be uh it's just so all over the place and the human stuff when it does come in is incredibly awkward when they actually after all these jokes late in the episode they want you to actually feel like marge is scared to die you're like whoa that's that's what i find the most offensive absolutely yeah and it's unearned but uh but first homer is called a nervous purvis which again if we're talking about things they reused for the movie that's when ned calls homer when he's trying to make bart fall off of the roof like i don't mean to be a nervous purvis but if bart falls isn't that going to make him a paraplegiorino i like the second part uh and then they also reveal that the axe is just to cut through stakes these tough stakes which so how long has carmen electra been setting this up like did they has it been like a

month they create this fake identity who signs up for meals on wheels and whoever goes in there they're gonna film it they're gonna pick them for the reality show it was done where's the cameras where's the cameras if this is all part of a show and i guess maybe they're they're hidden cameras or something but maybe you know just a cut back to like at the end when you do the reveal cut back and show all these things slightly off screen and maybe homer's just too fucking stupid to have noticed them yes yeah that could have at least been funnier with the fu ending yeah right imagine imagine he's in this house and at the end they they show him back in this house the start of this or middle of this episode rather and you pan over and there's a full camera crew and he's just

oblivious to it and he like walks over to the craft services table these are good punch-ups uh but then you call me the simpsons you'd lose all the screamer pillar stuff though uh oh boy what a pity so uh homer then tells a story about a super ball which makes him a child of the 70s now instead of a teen graduating high school in 1974. Though, well, I guess technically Homer doesn't graduate high school until 1993 in the front. But this joke about his sliding timeline reminds me in season 34, there was actually a pretty good joke where Homer is watching something where they say on TV. This was in a very recent episode on TV. They mentioned the year 1983.

And I was like, man, I remember 1983 when I was either an adult or a child. I like that. Hey, and Bennett Cerf is a good pull. I had to look up who Bennett Cerf was. The second I saw it, I was like, oh, I've seen him in a million clips of What's My Line. I've never watched a full episode of What's My Line, but it fits for an old lady. Same with like, have you ever heard of, I'm not a pickle man. I don't, I've never bought a jar of pickles, but I didn't know there was a type of pickles

called bread and butter pickles or butter pickles. Oh yeah, they're pretty common. They're just sweet pickles. And I'll tell you what, if you don't think sweet pickles are good, get the ones that are sweet and spicy. I'm a pickle man, by the way. They're just sweet pickles. And I'll tell you what, if you don't think sweet pickles are good, get the ones that are sweet and spicy. I'm a pickle man, by the way. Is that right? Yes.

I would call myself a pickle man. You should put a beret on it. So this is when Homer befriends an old lady. Oh, I couldn't possibly eat all this. Please join me. You're the shut-in. So, I threw the Super Bowl so hard it hit the ceiling twice, then broke a lamp.

Oh, Homer, I feel like I'm talking to Bennett Cerf. Yeah, I've gotten a lot of compliments about my talking. Before you go, would you mind opening this jar of butter pickles? My pleasure. Oh, my. You're as strong as you are handsome. And I can ride my bike

real fast. Aren't you a wonder can i call you the next time i need a muscular he-man hey i'm not running an employment service you'll oh you mean me i'd be delighted for a second i thought she was hitting on homer when she's seasoned shirtless i thought i thought that was the direction we were going in this. You know, old ladies, the rules are gone. They can they can be flirty with you. I learned that recently. I got my haircuts the other day.

Oh, nice. And I'm putting my jacket on. An old woman comes up to me, touches my arm and says, you have such beautiful hair. Oh, my. I said, take the hairdresser. She she gave me the haircut. She's like, no, you have to start with beautiful hair first and i said you finished you finished the conversation in bed the next morning yes

unfortunately it was too much for her that shawl will look pretty good crumpled up next to my bed but yes homer i do like that homer thinks that she's not talking about him like i'm not running an employment service you'll you know yeah the old bag is a good is a good one back to the butter pickles i don't like that being identified as an old person food 21 years ago because i feel like the some of the food i like is now old person food and it's being phased off of menus like i i love a good tuna melts my favorite sandwich every restaurant i get them at they're being phased out sorry eric no no i was just agreeing that that is now a certified old person meal that's like liver and onions was in the 80s yes exactly yeah it's uh i feel like

if you're a burger place you still have to offer a tuna melt maybe they think they they're the it's the old way of thinking like okay if somebody doesn't eat beef because it's Good Friday or whatever, we better put a tuna melt on there. But now it's like, if you don't want to eat meat, then you're just going to order the Impossible. If you came here, you're ordering the Impossible burger,

not a tuna sandwich. Yeah. Damn. I guess you're going to have to make those at home from now on. Or Meals on Wheels, perhaps. Oh, you know, they cut out the cobbler. It's not worth it anymore.

Then there is a good, I do like Burns being asked to cover for Homer, especially because he doesn't say anything. He just goes like, best part. Best part of the episode. He makes little exertion noises like, eh, eh, eh. Yeah, she calls him up at the power plant because she's got that phone number too. Yeah, sure, I could come over and mow your lawn. And then he's walking out

and he sees Burns and says, cover for me. And just Burns just like, okay, I'm going to eat this donut and then put my legs up. And ah, someone walks by. I need to start faking the funk and pressing buttons. And it happens twice. It's my favorite part of the episode.

Good use of Lenny and Carl. They're both scaring each other as they walk by. Neither knows who's supposed to be in trouble there it's great uh and then uh so it also is very schwarzwalder that in the next scene what marge is mad about is that homer can't do chores for her like that he's like oh these wives they're mad that he's doing chores for some other lady instead of fixing the oven light here or finishing filling the the uh the fish tank yeah filling up the aquarium which is an amazing very funny cut to where you get the hose i guess presumably running from outside the house in the fish tank is overflowing completely like he just started it he didn't finish it it's still filling

the fish is very worried of falling out of it too which is breaking the the macraening animal rule that that fish is acting like a person i like how the diver falls out the little plastic diver good stuff yeah uh but yes homer is like they put a spell on you and so marge then says she's gonna tell herself uh which this is when mrs bellamy guilts her over her husband's tattered army jacket, which again, I guess is a fake army jacket that the TV show set up to hand to Marge to entrap her as well, to set up for frame up for the reality show.

And then, but I kind of like that. She's like, oh, look at this tattered army jacket. Do you think she keeps tattered because she loves him and can't bear to fix it? But then when Marge is like, oh, I'm so sorry. so sorry she's like well then you fix the army jacket here you go like and then uh fix my socks and i love i actually do like the joke that marge is given the setup of like darn her socks well i say darn her i knew what darning socks was because it's a big plot point in dial m for murder and i'm not kidding it just means stitching up socks holes and socks that's what that's what darning means i see i haven't seen

dial in for murder in a very long time it's good oh it's yeah it's a good one um i actually saw it a few years ago at uh film form in new york they they did the uh old 3d version and it was very compelling to see how hitchcock used 3d and it's just like oh there's a big lamp closer to me and it in a way was more effective than modern 3d because he was trying to make you feel like you were in the room versus oh it's coming at you oh it's coming at you yeah it's really like you're watching a play and i can see how the 3d would be more effective than you know trying to fake that effect outdoors in different circumstances like that yeah i first saw it as a kid because i went to the universal studios florida where they had for a time now it's long gone the alfred hitchcock show and part of it

was showing you like if we even have like a 10 minute 3d experience which it ends with an original thing that's supposed to shock you because you'd they sell it to you of like we're actually going to show some scenes from dial in for murder in 3d you'd ever get to see it this way at home and then of course during the scene in 3d a bunch of birds explode out through it and you're like i'm in the birds now oh no they were ready player one in hitchcock back then yeah at least for universal hey spielberg worked on it too actually now you think about it so makes sense a good smash cut from march saying well that's the last thing i'll do to her and homer in butler and maid uniforms and

though this is it it seems intentionally so but this is like a million horror a hoary old sitcom ideas here like now you're about like seinfeld made fun of it with that well he's my butler it's a sort of setup like i'll never do that doodly doodly doodly i'm doing it i don't know you know yes and since it's all set up for a television show, I guess if they didn't agree, then they would move on to someone else. The holes in this is pretty, there's more holes in this than a doily at an old lady's house. Well, that also asks a question. So are Agnes, Mrs. Glick, and the wealthy dowager, are they all friends with her now like were they hired to act on the show or when carmen electra was uh in deep cover did she befriend the three old ladies this was a long con

by this game show it's a very expensive game show it seems like the state pays for a lot of it because the court system is involved that's true and because remember there never was a mrs bellamy this isn't her pretending to be a real person there never was one but we get some good little catty moments here of mrs bellamy did you hear good he had a terrible fall outside the thrift store and then the other older rich woman who i think has been on a few episodes in the background right it does a whole thing about like well haha she ha ha, she would fall there. It's also distracting because both Agnes and Wealthy Dowager are voiced by Trice McNeil.

It's just... You know, 21 years ago, they thought old people falling down was very funny. And now some of the voice actors are getting towards 80. It is, but I mean, it is kind of funny when old people fall down in theory not not irl but mrs skinner also has a line here that made me feel like uh this we're in the aughts baby because who do i have to gum to get a refill whose dick do i have to fucking suck with my gum toothless

mouth to get a refill speaking of family guy that was like b like Brian's catchphrase that was on t-shirts. Can I please say it? Before you groan at it, Henry? It's whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here? Sorry, when you reminded me, I saw the t-shirts in my head and I instantly hugged at it. Sorry, sorry. You see less of those t-shirts these days, huh?

Right? I'm more seeing the Orville t-shirts and all the Orville catchphrases being thrown around. You seeing the orville t-shirts and all the orville catchphrases being thrown around you know what those t-shirts need to come back uh how like the bart uh underachiever and proud of it old t-shirts came back they need to have it be season one looking brian on it with the word but like stewie saying silence woman or whatever he did back in the day what did he say did he say anything got or like uh yeah yeah what the deuce whatever the deuce that's the one back when he was tied tied into like geopolitics the way that the old bart simpson shirts about the iraq war like you know maybe it's brian he's got opinions about the ukraine now or something uh but yes homer

and marge are serving the old ladies i did hate yes the horrifying vision of gumming of agnes of all people gumming somebody gumming it dude they're turning her into phyllis diller really with with this season there are so many jokes where she and there's like two other episodes where she's making phyllis diller jokes this is kind of like the same randy old lady sex joke with her right which isn't agnes agnes is a miserable bitch who hates everybody like she's not always making like like her honestly laughter is unnatural for agnes if you ask me unless it's deriding uh her son or her adopted son whatever you want to call it that lot you know mr skinner principal skinner comes in may i read a magazine

while i wait in the car mother don't you read enough at school, bookworm? That's a good joke on him. Yeah. And I also like how Homer offers up with a smile, laxatives. And so, yeah, after the party, they are putting away doilies hyphen soiled into a bag for cleaning which that it's an okay old lady joke uh and then we hear a loud scream off screen which makes sense because carmen electro would be she's a young person she'd be able to scream good then it briefly becomes a fugitive parody as they they witness an old woman die they also make it clear that homer i think puts gives her the killing blow

because the thing's in her back but when he places her down you hear the sound effect of it going in deeper it also reminds me of north by northwest yes right yeah when roger o thornhill grabs the knife out of the uh the back of the ambassador at the un yeah well this is actually extremely hitchcock then yeah yeah exactly oh my god but the fugitive parody idea that could have been an episode any of these sort of could have been an episode but we just had to do it every do everything do whatever well they did a fugitive parody on the critic eight years before this oh yeah that's right so i mean they had done it but why me might not do it again but still you're

right yeah i feel like every time marge brings up the man with the braces over and over again it's her trying to pitch like this could be a fugitive parody guys and they just never it never comes back to it speaking of other things that feel like it's them killing time they should be arrested in this scene they're not arrested in this scene because they have to have like another two minutes of stuff before wigum comes back around and arrest them it's funny that they're instantly accused since because i mean they were the ones that called the police right like i mean we don't actually see that but they are waiting around for the coroner for the authorities but there's a note that like apparently there's a new will made out to them for fifty thousand dollars which you you might

need more to get me to kill an old woman maybe ten years ago i would have done that but i think i need a little more now i do in this clip here love the sounds homer makes at the start of this oh my gosh she's dead So let me get this straight. This mysterious man with braces just stabbed the old lady and disappeared? Without a trace. Found her will, Chief. It was just changed to leave the Simpsons $50,000.

Oh, so it's a good thing she died. From our point of view. Financially. Well, I'd like to good thing she died. From our point of view. Financially. Well, I'd like to thank you both for cooperating with our- Did you do it? Chief Wiggum, Homer and I are innocent. I'm sorry, March. I can't believe I tried to trick you with such an underhand-

Did you do it? No! Now if you'll excuse us, we'll just be- Does that ever work? No. It never does. Fuck him, Lou. Yeah, sure. Go ahead. Does that ever work? No, it never does. Fuck him, Lou. Yeah, sure. Go ahead. I'll be back on the streets by dinnertime.

You'll see. I do like the great reversal of logic in that scene. It's a great way to end a scene of Homer just going like, fuck him, Lou, and then he's just arrested. And then he goes. I mean, I also like how Homer says, from our point of view, financially. So, okay, are the paramedics in on this because the body they are taking out is not a dead person like they so clearly they covered it up and the prison's in on it too i guess it's just not the court and wigum wigum and the police they aren't in on this because he's surprised at the end. Apparently this cost the entire city millions of dollars.

So every institution had to sign off on this. It's sort of like when they had the bat boy thing in San Francisco. Right, right. That kid could have arrested one of us. They would have let it happen. And we'd have been, though, we'd be back on the streets by dinner time. I bet. There's a great moment here after this where we get kent brockman

doing the news about and the elephant who couldn't stop laughing was put to death when you really care about someone you shouted from the mountaintops so on behalf of desjardins insurance i'm standing 20 000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you home and auto insurance personalized to your needs weird i don't remember saying that part visit dejaden.com care and get insurance that's really big on care did i mention that we care speaking of death mrs bellamy was brutally murdered last night. The top suspects are her disgruntled servants, the Simpsons. I just love the elephant who couldn't stop laughing was put to death. And then the transition, speaking of death.

I also like the doctored file photos of Marge and Homer where they're both grinning evilly and Homer is just drooling. The drool or the foam, it's something. And this then leads to basically a series of sketches about what if people think you're a murderer. My favorite is the bar room scene. Yeah, if Dad killed everyone he talked about killing, would any of us be here? You'd be dead a million times. Do you really think Homer could be a killer?

I just can't believe a man we sat and drank with all these years could do such a horrible thing. Well, we've all got that voice in our heads telling us to kill. You just have to drown it out. I've been working on a railroad all the live long day. Yeah, that's better. Oh, man, what a day. I'd kill for a beer.

Right away, sir. I don't want no trouble. I'd stab somebody for a pickle. Give me some peanuts. You didn't say you'd kill me. I'll kill you if you don't give me some peanuts. Here you go, mister. Homer becomes mister.

And then Moe admits to what the game of the scene is. And then he's like, you didn't say you'd kill me. And then Homer is like, the previous threat should have covered all the rest. You should just be sucking up to me. But he has to. It's like Jeopardy rules. He's like, you got to frame it in a threat. You have to say it and you'd kill me.

That's probably a garlic pickle, I'm guessing. Different from a butter pickle. I love the whole part with Mo saying that we all got voices in our head telling us to kill. You just got to drown it out. Yeah, the way he closes his eyes and kind of like shakes back and forth as he's singing the song it's very relatable then homer is interrupting love joy and honestly i know i say this all the time when there's a similar joke but this is them ripping themselves off from two seasons earlier this is a season 11 joke remember when homer got his motorcycle

and he's in the church and lovejoy is talking and he keeps revving the motorcycle so he'll stop talking same joke same joke as this one i i do like the threat of the the readings being cut down with each throat clearing because he's going to be doing a lot of readings that's like the four main books of the new testament he's gonna be whipping out here but uh i uh homer indicates like that he actually could go to jail for that like the cutting of your own throat while staring at a guy's like no that's that is a threat of killing someone and then we head to the simpsons being a stop on a death tour of springfield they specifically on the commentary shout out hollywood grave line tour uh which is takes you around uh famous

murders and stuff around hollywood they have a they have an extended talk on the commentary about relatives that visit that want to see like the manson house and the mansion ranch and everything i believe the start of what leprechaun 2 i believe starts with what with one of these exact things of driving around la murder homes and if you want to get one for yourself today it's 65 a ticket for a hollywood grave line tour in two hours long not bad and uh also to make this very 2000 core oh we have a p diddy joke uh h diddy and his murder hoe which i guess uh it could be the joke is that auto was not very creative but this is uh i don't i don't care for this i don't care for this but i can what i do like about this springfield death

tour bus is homer getting off of it and saying what it goes by our house that's a good it's a good that does save the scene i think yeah yeah and so after these few jokes about them being suspected of murder wiggum finishes the previous scene by coming home and arresting them. This is ridiculous. You've been through my delicates, my silkies, my dainties, and my unmentionables. I insist on searching every inch of this home personally. Here's my underwear drawer. Where's that robot?

Hey, Chief, you better get in here. Mrs. Bellamy's necklace! Homer and Marge Simpson, you're under arrest for the murder of Myrna Bellamy. Hmm. Hmm. What are we going to do? You know, Chief, if you let us go, there's a diamond necklace in it for you. I hope you're not suggesting that I would take that necklace as a bribe. Think again, dirtbag, because I can just swipe it later from the evidence

locker. Yeah, your wife's gonna look pretty good in that, Chief. Yeah, she's a super lady. I do like calling his wife a super lady. That's a good line. Yeah, she's a super lady. And I like all the different words women have to not say underwear. Silkies, delicates, dainties, and unmentionables.

That's good. If silkies was new to me, I never heard it either. I have not heard silkies either, but I hope to soon. Did one of the producers hide it in Maggie's bedroom just that day like how did it end up there were they just waiting for maggie to find it this is why like a grand reveal ending would have been fun showing all the what happened in the episode and that could have been one of them but instead uh it's just magically found so the scene can end and and also wigam admits like wait i'm just gonna steal this is mine now. But the heat.

What a start to act three. I can't believe we've been arrested for murder. It is a real. So here we are at blank. Act opening. Though I do love Homer saying that he's going to be a snitch because I know who stopped up the toilet. Like that. That's another big whisper by Homer.

It's probably him, right? Absolutely. like uh there's comic potential in uh cletus and brandine adopting bart and lisa but there's no scene with them after this happens although i did laugh at dangus squatford jr yes and that was lee and it's lisa's name is dangus and the part is pamela e lee which i guess this also shows you that not just the carmen electra is in this show but also that uh people had viewed pamela e pamela lee is not as glamorous by this time and it would be somebody that uh hillbillies would love and look up to and put a name on well she'd show them all next year with stripperella stanley's stripper stripperella sorry oh my god we covered that on our patreon at we ate movies oh my god what a terrible show stripper stripperella was but this this whole segment here is my my second favorite after the burns cover for me because

youngins meet your new brother and sister they're worth five dollars a day county money i like the county money and then also bart and lisa them city names them city names enjoy that yeah yeah i like the terms county money and city names though of course it's swartz welder to frame it as Cleta being like scamming the welfare system as well. Of course, right? Now, don't worry kids. You'll be placed with a caring foster family.

Youngins, meet your new brother and sister. Day's worth $5 a day. Count the money. I'm Bart and this is Lisa. Damn city names. From now on, you're Dengus Squawkford Jr. and Pamela E. Lee. But I like my old name. You hush up, Dengus.

They hated the victim. Her death earned them $50,000, and the necklace was found in their home. Does the defense have any closing remarks well not at this time your honor this is the only time oh well then no uh and so we then get a headline the ho jay simpson trial starts today which a little late yeah this is another of these moments too where like look they got to do courtroom scenes in the simpsons it's gonna happen but every time it happens i'm just like boy it's sad that lionel hutz isn't here it's just in and gill is a they're gonna have a bad lawyer then fine gill works just fine but every time i see it like boy this would be funnier if hutz was here they they really needed lionel

hutz i would have even liked more for Gil to do here. This trial is very brief, obviously, because we're in the third act, but it would be nice for Gil to ham and haw a little more than he does. Yeah, I don't think they have the confidence to have Gil play this role because, like we said, there's just one scene in the court. If this was Hutz, there'd be multiple scenes. And I guess the entire third act could be a fun trial, but I feel like even they know, well, we can't do better than Hutz.

So if we have to take him to trial, let's just keep it very limited. I do like him reading the book, Earn Big Money on TV Repair. That's a good one. But yes, this is another scene where, talk about things happening this season that you notice as a theme.

Hank Azaria played a lot of sassy latinos in this season uh this is the most recent one uh as uh as the defendants are found guilty mr foreman have you reached a verdict verdict is that what we were supposed to do well in all my years on the bench because that's what we did. Oh, you juries. How do you find? We find the defendants guilty. Homer and Marge Simpson, I sentence you to death in the electric chair.

But we're innocent. It was the man with the braces can't you do anything surprise witnesses evidence tampering play the race card play it there's that fish shake yeah we found it yeah i mean play it like that so was the judge in on it to sentence them to the electric chair or i mean the logic goes back and forth right like well because wigum is surprised which and i mean also the governor calls is that a fake call from the governor like this getting ahead of ourselves but yes i i the judge had to be definitely the i think the jury or at least the jury foreman i think he's in on it like that guy's acting like he knows he's on television though also on the jury is sanjay ruth powers helen lovejoy

mr lago but and bernice hibbert wow a fun collection of named characters then in another joke that's not very funny uh they we cut to the jail and it says like death row no relation to death row records and i feel like the fact we had to zoom in and put like a a hip-hop music sting over it it feels like you don't have confidence in this like yeah i i the the sting befuddled me the little rap sting well it's also funny because we're well we did it you guys have heard it it came out before this but we did a what a cartoon on mr show for april fools and that also has a death row records jokes in it but that was at least in 1998 when it was a little more recent like this uh 2002 not so much yeah the gangster rap era was over really i mean yeah

honestly when you're doing jokes about p diddy that shows you gangster rap is like finished. Also in a very Algee movie have jokes about Catholics versus Presbyterians. Oh this is so good though because I love the insult the Irish Catholic priest says go home and have sex with your wife. And then Lovejoy is legitimately insulted like that's it like their fight their fight is fun. I do. It's funny though. They never had a regular Catholic priest on the show. You would have thought there would have, they'd have created a, a recurring Catholic priest at this point.

I thought Lovejoy was the fictional denomination Presbylutheran. Was that it? Oh, that's right. Yeah. Okay. It's not, it is Presbylutheran. Not just to make it clear. They're not Presbyterian or Lutheran.

He's allowed to have a wife. Catholics figure it out and as we know him and how to love joy they're not i feel like they're not taking advantage of that opportunity too much if you know what i'm saying yeah probably not probably not many silkies he's seeing lately yeah also when they're fighting they bring in that star trek music they love to use the uh the kirk spock well it's their parody of it i don't think it is the real one from amok time yeah when they have to bat they have to duel which one has the net i feel like it's i feel like that was more of the elmer bernstein like west side story rumble music and not the uh star trek amok time music they're the two cues they use a lot right right they well i'm getting i am getting it mixed up with in the murkin years

because he was the biggest trekkie they had in the series they they made that sting used quite a lot but yeah you're right you're right well let's talk about last meals real quick because i did do a little depressing research on this too well this is fun oh this is before you're about to go to bed just look at what people ate before they died it's great and uh yeah it actually is a lot of like fast food that's the the point homer eats a bunch of garbage it often is like fast food like say i want mcdonald's and i mean to consider a lot of these guys have been on death row for like decades and have eaten garbage or have eaten well that's to say that mcdonald's isn't garbage but they've eaten prison food the entire time they want to eat some greasy and also we're mostly killing poor people into a lot of these folks mcdonald's is

fine dining that they haven't had in a long time they're not exactly going out for filet mignon and then robbing a liquor store right like just a few years ago a man uh killed by the state of arizona after 39 years on death row kfc was the first thing he ordered when he when he could get it though the the most depressing fact i learned about it was is that in texas which you know is famous as death penalty central in america in 2011 there was some news bullshit about one guy i like well for first off it is not a law that you have to give guys their last meal it is more of a tradition that is respected in america's fucked up awful prison system well that's nice that makes it all worth it uh but but since it's not a law in 2011 there was big news about one guy who was put to death.

His last order was big in that it was basically like $300 worth of food. And then he didn't touch any of it, which who cares? But the guy said he wasn't hungry, which I totally get that. But then lawmakers in Texas were like, how dare this guy not even eat it you know what we're done with it so since come on in 2011 they in texas nobody gets a real last meal your last meal is the food you would have been served the day before even just the same prison wow that sucks because you know the the idea of forcing the state to waste $300 is kind of a cool-ass move. Like, fuck you.

But now taking it away from everyone, it's ridiculous. I mean, more and more, Texas becomes less and less habitable. The only thing worse than killing someone, the state killing someone, is wasting food. So they really put their foot down. They're starving people elsewhere. So that's really the problem. We about the that but not this yes yeah the again death penalty bad that's uh the we shouldn't have life should be abolished yes yeah but uh anywho this but this is the weird part here where after all of the sillies after all this stuff including homer he's horny when

they're about to die and he they have to do a joke of like well you want to have sex like this is when they decide let's have real emotions here huge huge mistake i'm okay with them making a crappy episode with some funny jokes but the fact that they try to get emotion out of you in the end is uh insulting it's really insulting but also like let's fuck through the prison bars oh i don't want to do that with all these people all these murderers watching oh just think of their eyes as the twinkling stars i mean it's it's not good it's not well it's whatever but you're you can't have an emotional resolution to this episode while doing jokes like that. And I think I know exactly why they did it too,

because they wanted to have at the end of the episode, a scene where Marge is like, I love you more than ever, Homer, like this, the emotional climax they think they have at the end of the episode, but you completely forget it because you're just pissed off at the, at the bullshit is that this show that Homer loves marge enough to die for her and that she

loves him so this that's why they have to bring in this emotionality here it's it's the i mean it's not it's just it's that but also the tone is all over the place where it's like emotional scene insane scene with a movie character strangling homer back to emotion it just it's ping-ponging back and forth between sincere emotion and crazy parody gags it's weird it's really weird i also don't think they had the guts to have marge think she's gonna die that long like they didn't want i think they got to the point where like ah nuts you know we don't want to actually put marge in the electric chair we decided we don't like because i mean also to how you know are they gonna do comedy of putting her hair down or whatever?

Like, I mean, you also as part of the system of killing someone with an electric chair, you have to shave their head, too. So are you going to have to shave Marge's head? Well, we get around it by Homer confessing to the warden and then they let Marge go because that's how the law works, right? That's fine. She's already been convicted by a jury of repairs and sentenced to death. But Homer said she didn't do it so we're letting her go that's when i feel like the warden is definitely in on it like since he goes along with it but yes here's here's a quick scene of uh of emotionality coming in here this is our last night and our cells are side by side. It's hard to get in the mood with all those murderous eyes staring at us. Just think of them as twinkling stars.

Oh, I'm sorry, I can't. I just keep thinking about everything we're gonna miss. The kids growing up? Grandchildren? I want to confess. I killed and robbed the old lady all by myself. Marge is completely innocent. The only thing she's guilty of is loving too much. The murder I did. Congratulations, Mrs. Simpson. Your husband confessed to everything everything you're free to go

my love you saved my life now you do it for me so that was all just played completely straight there were a few like light-hearted gags because homer's dumb but it just played sincerely for emotion yeah they want i mean marge crying it's like well that's not a joke marge is actually like i'm gonna be dead this is horrible this is the worst thing that could happen and i'm suicidally depressed like also i forgot that it's not just that they go from like homer saying like hey let's have sex in front of all the other guys in death row and then that emotion but right before that homer is explaining how basically he's going to void his bowels when he's dead and leave a big mess

kaboom yeah like the cannon's gonna be loaded because he is having that last meal here yes so we have shit sex and then tears and then back to the the tears and then michael clark duncan strangles homer i mean all right let's talk about the green mile i did read the book but i didn't see the movie you know i did both oh i didn't see the movie i didn't see the movie and i know that's crazy i'm like the movie guy but that's just one that for whatever reason i just didn't see and uh so yeah this is something i think bob you know about this more than i would so please i read the book and saw the movie and it feels like the book was just written to be a movie they're so identical the one thing i remember about the

book though are the vivid descriptions of the main character's urinary tract infection and how painful it was for him to piss and it caused me to just like scrunch up while i was reading it like oh yeah yeah that's maybe that's why i didn't want to see it because i was like i don't want to watch tom hanks suffer peeing uh they show his full uncut penis on the screen piss does dribble out of it that's the entire first act wow uncut nice i don't think they dwell on the pissing that much in the uh in the movie well it's like it's like a big internal monologue about like oh it hurts so much to piss that's how when they do the sponge head thing in this too i was like i remembered that from the book they because it was

the first time i'd really read the uh actual like process of electrocuting someone to death which is like you know for example the sponge in between the metal thing because if you don't put it on there it basically melts it onto the person's skull and it puts them through a lot more pain and yeah and it's just harder to re harder to reuse it afterwards then too you know there's too much cleaning to be done and and of course too it was an example of which stephen king has done in a lot of stuff the uh the magical black man trope which we talked a lot about actually in the previously mentioned brawl in the family episode oh yeah the Delroy Lindo episode and one more green mile thing I remembered is that the

original release of the book was serialized in which I think a new novella would come out every one or two months but it didn't take very long for it just to come out as one novel and that's the way I read it but yeah the movie got a lot of like oscar buzz which is crazy because it's not that good and it it feels so dated even when it came out it was like instantly dated and and i love michael clark duncan uh but uh and rest in peace but yeah the character he has to play in it is just like a terrible like oh you're the innocent black man in jail who dies to make white people feel better. It's horrible. That's good enough to get you Oscar nominations for Best Picture, Best Actor for Michael Clark

Duncan, Best Writing Screenplay Based on Previously Made Material, and Best Sound. That was the other one. Best Sound. Wow. Terrible. You know, I assumeger ebert liked this movie i looked it up and he really liked this movie of course it feels i love ebert but this feels like made for him it's just a piece of schmaltz it's very like the the very liberal look at the death

penalty through this like uh period piece yeah i feel like this was made for him yes he loves that liberal schmaltz or bazongas yes yeah uh he'd love the end of this episode well that's why you give it three and a half and not four no bazongas in that movie the the last bit i like about green mile or to commentary on it was if you guys remember the the late paul mooney had a segment on the chapelle show uh where people would ask uh like ask a black man i believe was a segment and he'd he just replied to white people on the chapelle show uh where people would ask uh like ask a black man i believe was a segment and he'd he just replied to white people on the street asking him questions and they did a celebrity one where like stephen king asked some question and paul moody said i'm gonna completely

ignore that question because i hate green mile and then he said i'll i'll tell you about something that's really scary to stephen king n word with the brain that's what he's scared of like i was like damn that is paul mooney was really coming for stephen king and i also love the commentary bit that how dare they even ask michael clark duncan to do this like that that was crazy to hear that that michael clark duncan was on the fox lot for some other reason uh when they were producing this. And then somebody asked him, like, hey, would you want to just voice a character yourself? And he was just straight up no.

And they make it sound like he didn't even see the script. But if he saw the script, he should be like, absolutely not. No, it's one thing to be asking him to voice a character, even if it's similar, but to do the exact same character of this movie, which he was just nominated for an Oscar for. Yeah, let me let me do a parody of it on a Latter-day Simpsons episode. That's insane. That completely sells out the character he played to take. Oh, you know, this guy actually was a brutal murderer. Like he wasn't wrongfully imprisoned.

No, I think Michael Clark Duncan, nine months later, an episode would air of King of the Hill that he did a do, so it's not that he was against doing voice acting. It was also great on that around the same time, he was in Daredevil playing the Kingpin a year later in 03. And then when the kingpin appeared on that cgi spider-man cartoon he did play the kingpin on that too which i was like wow he did both that's cool i looked up the king of the hill it's a very funny one in which he plays a super competitive

rose grower who enters uh rose growing competitions and he's a good one it's uh yeah they actually give him a lot more to do and that, then they would have here. And this, I mean, this whole sequence is so critic and not good critic. The fact that they have to look, I'll play the clip.

Dead man walking on a green mile. Give me your hands boss i'll kill you i'll kill you too you want some cornbread mr jingles well you can forget it because i'm gonna kill you it stinks yeah i can see this being if they made like this is season seven of the critic and jay says like and now let's take a look at a clip from the brown mile and then it plays this and it's just you know they just draw the characters in or whatever and it feels like a bad critic scene basically yes yeah it does and the the critic i don't know i mean i'm sure there's

missteps i haven't seen in a while but I don't know if we'd misstep like a season 13 Simpsons, my Lord. Well, you know, watch that webisode version of The Critic and you might change your mind. I refuse to watch the webisode Critic. I remember when that came out, it was like that MySpace era of life, I guess. No, sir, no thank you.

And they were like short, right? They were like five, 10 minutes or less. Oh, they were. I think there were maybe two minutes or less, right? Yeah. Hey, a word to listeners out there. Patreon.com slash Talking Simpsons. We have an episode for every episode of The Critic and we covered the webisodes as well.

Wow. Amazing. Yeah. It's just like, especially if you're doing two minutes, how do you not, in two minutes, if you're doing two minutes, the jokes have to land. You have to land with those jokes in two minutes. It also just the obviousness of a character literally saying, dead man, which is, it is what they say.

It's in the movie, in the book too, of like they're walking on the green mile and it's said out loud, but to just shout it, like, not just to have the obviousness of the music and to just draw exactly the John Coffey but i think that's i think it's his name yeah uh but then also to have them just scream green mile green mile it's coming yes this is where more of the details on it too like the sponge on the head is it's only there because it's a green mile parody with the music and uh also that chin up

homer the we have to grind the brainstem that's that's a good joke yeah i did like that and we see everybody who's there we see that mo is about to take a picture lenny's there but with no carl uh patty and selma very excited about it they're holding hands and even the scream a pillar is watching honestly they could have they could have had a beat here and and had shown us more of the people throughout homer's life that want to watch him be executed uh and then we get a call from the governor but i and i'm gonna hold this against them because i believe it's the next season they bring back governor mary bailey so when they say the governor called and he hopes you're a squirmer i'm'm like, ah, wait a minute. Mary Bailey's the governor, guys.

She never stopped being the governor of the Simpson State. What if she was recalled and then reinstated? Who knows? I guess that was happening at the time, wasn't it? Was this character that answers the phone, has he ever been named in an episode? I believe he's been like a waiter and stuff. He's kind of got the Vincent Price-esque affectation. I think he's just called the Yes Man.

I think so. And I think he's supposed to work at Costington's department store. But then he pops up everywhere because he's like one of the newer, for this era, secondary characters. I think most recently we saw him in Rio, in the Rio de Janeiro Brazil episode. Oh yeah, where he goes, see! Which I believe I pointed out in that that that is spanish not what somebody would say yes that's not how you'd say yes in brazilian portuguese and the yes guys parody of frank nelson we went over in his debut i forget when that was we've done it

many times yeah so now they lead up right to the edge how are they going to get out of this one the lever is pulled and then... You're on Frame Up. What? That's right. Homer Simpson, you're the latest victim of the new reality show, Frame Up. It's the man with the braces. I'm also your host.

Now, let's meet a ghost. Mrs. Bellamy? There never was a Mrs. Bellamy. Only me, Carmen Electra. I knew it! And I'm some actor they hired. Frame Up is Fox's latest hit, right after No Pants Island and Fart Date.

This whole thing was a joke. Oh, I've never been so relieved, relieved and angry. Yep. There it is. It was all set up. It was all a fake reality show. And he was like on the verge of tears or about to be crying as they're executing him. And then this this reveal happens. My God.

This was the era in which scripted TV writers were feeling reality TV breathing down their necks and they were feeling very afraid, but also very vicious. We just covered a Futurama episode that's sort of making fun of reality TV from this era as well. But we would learn later, like, oh, reality tv and scripted tv can coexist in a way reality tv is taking a bigger part of the pie and a lot of shows are even now being canceled to make room for more reality shows that are cheap but scripted tv did not go away of course but it's funny that their fake reality shows could not predict how how wild and rancid future reality shows would get like was it was it like fart island or whatever or like a fart date and no pants island no pants island and fuck girl island that's right i had milf manor milf manor

oh milf manor did you guys watch milf manor i've only seen clips from it oh i watched every episode of milf manor and my god it's not a good show i prefer meerkat manor the setup seems to be like one of those stepmom porn stories it is very much a porn thing in a way because like every woman that's on there wants to fuck their son and every son on there wants to fuck their mom and they bring them to this island or whatever i guess it's a manor but it's by the ocean one of the one of the big early things is the milf you know if you're a milf there you have to like be blindfolded and start feeling they put all the boys in a row you have to feel all the the boys's chests and muscles and then

you have to pick your own son out what because you also have to feel your own son oh my god I feel like it's it's some admitting okay you can't always watch Pornhub okay you have to have something else on this is kind of like what you like on there right my penetration but we we we talked about it briefly on um the we hate movies episode on the covenant episode 666 fittingly um we also came up with a alternative program of dilf den and that, the DILF would bring his daughter and then they'd all fuck each other's daughters, you know? Yeah, because the point is that the sons will trade the moms. They obviously aren't going to have sex with their own mom on a TV show.

No, it didn't happen. I was rooting for something like that to happen, but it happened. That's what kept me interested. I am just as dumb as these people wanting to watch no pants island and fart date i would watch fart date i'd watch fart date in a heartbeat but we don't have fart date we have that naked dating show right yeah there's naked dating and there's also naked and afraid which is it's not the same thing right uh well that would be me dating naked i'd be afraid the the naked and two things on these naked dating shows one i always

remember on naked dating i didn't watch the show but i remembered a headline from the av club of a woman threatening to sue because part of the agreement is i'll do your naked dating show but obviously my genitals are blurred on the show that's i do not agree to actually have my nude figure be seen in full right and this this woman on one episode that aired on vh1 in one scene they forgot to blur out just her like her butthole when she was like bending over and something she's like you aired my butthole to everybody like and then second the negative afraid show is more they get two people a man and a woman usually and it's not to make them fall in love and they don't in fact they kind of dislike each other they get a man and woman who both say like

i'm a mega survivalist man and usually it's a woman who is more of like a health expert and a guy who's like a manosphere adjacent dude and they both are like okay all your clothes any belongings we're keeping them and we're dumping you in the middle of the rainforest with a cameraman, and don't die. Don't fall in love with the cameraman either. Don't get bitten on your wang by a scream pillar. Is that right? You just cover that wound with a beret, right?

Yes, exactly. That's great marriage advice. Let me write that down. Cover my wang with a beret, right? Yes, exactly. Oh, that's great marriage advice. Let me write that down. Cover my wang with a beret and also surprise her with pasta salad. Yeah. Cover your scream killer wound. Now, I wonder if there are fans of Singled Out out there

that are big enough fans where they view Jenny McCarthy as like the Joel Hodgson and then Carmen Electra as the Mike Nelson. They're like, I don't like the Electra era, even though Chris Hardwick was holding it all together with his witty quips he's just some actor they hired uh it's actually yeah he's very much the man with the braces in this yeah it's funny where Carmen Electra was at at this time you know she was the next sex symbol and she uh she actually got her start kind of in in hollywood as like she was in the prince sphere i believe she dated prince briefly and he was like a project of hers and then she

also uh dated dennis rodman during all of his stuff going on when he was both a champion and going to vegas and having a lot of fun and then karma electra just followed the exact path of pamela anderson and jenny mccarthy she did playboy centerfold when pamela anderson left baywatch she became a star of baywatch jenny mccarthy leaves single out she takes over singled out karma electra as a businesswoman identified like oh hey i'm i'm the new hot girl i'm gonna take these jobs that uh pam and jenny uh graduated out of sure yeah and smart i i uh as far as i can tell she has not gone crazy like jenny mccarthy has like uh carmen electra still still at it most recent uh news story of hers that she started her own only fans and was honestly talking like we do about our patriarchy he's like finally on my own bus

and selling and selling my nudes that's great i mean yeah definitely definitely now what jenny mccarthy was it's just the vaccine stuff is there any new developments in the madness or when you really care about someone you shouted from the mountaintops so on behalf of desjardins insurance i'm standing 20 000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part. Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care. Did I mention that we care?

I think in addition to that, I believe the vaccine stuff applied to COVID as well. Okay. Of course. Well, of course. And I wonder about Pam. You know, I didn't watch. They just did a whole original movie or miniseries and a doc about her sex tape with Tommy Lee, but I did not watch that.

So I didn't did either of those, the real, the actual documentary or the, the mini series that starred Sebastian Stan is Tommy Lee. Oh yeah. Actually I'm reading about Jenny McCarthy and she disputes the anti-vaccine label. So she's not like,

I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm pro safe vaccine schedule. Uh huh. Sure. That, that sounds like a real pivot on her part to not miss out on jobs on daytime tv that's like saying um you know well you know i'm not against immigration i'm just against it when it's you know it just needs to be done the right way yeah it's the

white way exactly yes yeah i'm just glad we're not talking about chris hardwork anymore no thank god no one has said the word Nerdist out loud in eight years. Oh, my God. Is that gone now? Is this whole empire crumbled? He left Nerdist to start some new unpronounceable podcast company, and apparently it has produced over a thousand episodes, but I don't know who listens or why.

Yeah, he cashed out on Nerdist. Nerdist now, I don't pay much attention to it i'll be honest but the last time i i went to a thing that i didn't know nerdist was the host of or like was presenting it it was the premiere of the doctor strange multiverse of madness and they basically just hire guys who are just like where are the new chris hardwick your name is unimportant you're just the new guy who like likes stuff and uh be a nerd i like everything oh my god hear my opinions and how i like everything it's the nerdiest thing of all is enjoying is enjoyment and just like loving things buying consuming oh yes sorry consuming

you can't just like something obviously you have to prove you like it by buying it yes yeah and i think you were you were i think uh henry you were about to mention this at midnight is coming back it is oh are you fucking kidding me they listen this listen to this folks the late late show with james corden they're deciding no we're just not gonna have a talk show anymore we'll just do at midnight after colbert and i can't imagine who they're gonna to have host uh that presumably not hardwick i would imagine you know hardwick came back to talking dead but i i do think there's enough of a stink on it that they go like yeah you can't really come back for at midnight and he married

one of the hearst family just fucking take the win and enjoy your life you don't need to be in the limelight please someone someone pay me to go away i will do it he is a very lucky man honestly he's uh yeah well i'm not only lucky but i would say he is a very you know what he is one of those like striver ladder climber dudes who like oh you weren't very funny but you knew all the right people to be friends with and you moved up so but uh here is a uh purely scientific question is carmen electra the biggest boobed character they've ever drawn on the show? And I did remember then, like, no, no, wait, there's Titania. What about Booberella?

You know, I... Future character, Booberella. Let me just Google Big Tits Simpsons. Oh, wait, no, that's all DeviantArt links. I think Carmen Electra's boobs are bigger than boobarellas yeah they are actually yeah but not bigger than titania the beer wench this is it's crazy and it's all just to pay off a joke of well look we'll get to it but yes we uh so karma electra gets a few more lines it's also like i don't know karma electra i'm not saying she is a good actress she did

she did all she did more of those epic movies than what usually people do one of those and then after they do like scary movie four they're like all right no more of this shit for me but she did fucking meet the spartans she did epic movie she did date movie like that shows you where carmen electra's brand was in the odd she's like i can't say no to another movie now I'll tell you this Henry and Eric I'm looking I just typed Carmen Electra into Frankie and in season 17

they have her in the show and her breasts are maybe twice as big as they are in this episode wonderful it's a shot of her with the logo of the show she's on it says next on Fox Carmen Electra stars in boobs and the two O's on it says next on fox carmel electra stars in boobs and the two o's and boobs come down over her breasts holy cow wow i do not i uh wow no they already

are too big in this scene it's that's ridiculous i also think it's a parody of the pamela uh anderson sitcom stacked where she played a librarian that's right and christopher lloyd was in it for some reason but you know what she was an executive producer on that show she's uh pamela anderson a good business woman she's uh she knew like i'm gonna be the ep on my things if i'm gonna make shows about my big boobs like that or vip and she even remade uh casablanca as barbed wire i don't know if you guys seen that lately at first i watched it not too long ago for a podcast the soundtrack or podcast i uh re-watch barbed wire and it is it is a movie i will say that much i have a vendetta against barbed wire because uh grammar

c put all their money behind that and not the mystery science theater movie so that came to my town but the mystery science theater movie did not it's not pam's fault but it did prevent me also from seeing mystery science theater the movie in the theaters yeah i'll take it to my grave yeah you should but all right we have one more clip here of the terrible ending so wait a minute wait a minute You tied up the judicial system costing the city millions of dollars just for a TV show? Yes. And I'm going to be in the show? Yes.

Can Eddie and Lou have producer credits? Yep. Now, what are your last names? We don't have them. We're like Cher. Homie, I'm so lucky to be married to such a selfless and loving man. Mom, Dad, thank God you're okay. We were in the green room.

I had so much shrimp. Well, I'm glad everyone's all right. But I think you should be ashamed. Toying with a human life for TV ratings. Uh, Homer, my face is up here. I've made my choice. well then the music cue one more time yeah to his credit i mean he just got out of prison lady all right what i mean what a vision to end the episode on of homer staring at boobs that's your last joke of this great episode of

of all the bad lines in it i think the funniest to me is just the look on bart's face when he goes like i ate so much shrimp like he's so happy about to show that the kids were untouched by seeing that their father nearly died they're like man we i guess it explains that they were in the green room so they knew it was fake before homer and marge so did cletus also know it was fake i guess maybe he got he got more county money out of it he didn't ask any questions i guess we are going over every goddamn joke in this episode but boy that uh oh it's just like share boy that really needed something else done to it i feel like that's where you start and then

you say well this is the simpsons where do we go from here but i feel like that was a joke on like tiny tunes a decade before this yeah it's so easy it's such an easy joke and that the way i at least like how lou acts out like we're like share and he kind of like moves his hair back like you know a share would do her hair but and according to the wiki they still don't have last names so they have stuck with that eddie and lou no last names but it's nice that wiggum gets them producer credits but doesn't ask for any for himself you know that's that's nice but yeah a bit odd but hey the episode's over isn't that something well yeah but the homer yes this also is like so they want to give you a huge like middle finger of like is a reality show the whole time we wrote ourselves into a corner how do we get out of it as a reality show fucking cares but then they still want you to have like marge hug

homer like oh you're such a loving and caring man you would have died for me and you didn't like that they want you to feel something they're like no no wrong wrong wrong wrong you know it's a very troubled episode these are my final thoughts and i I feel that we discovered recently that at this point in the history of the show, 9-11 had caught up with pre-production. So they are being troubled by that while trying to put these shows together. So maybe we can blame 9-11 on this. That's what I'm thinking. Oh, sure.

Yeah. We need a scapegoat of some kind. Osama bin Laden is what destroyed the simpsons you know the only thing i'd add to this is that like yes i do think this this uh reality show ending is pretty lame though three days after this the season finale of the simpsons will air next to celebrity boxing too so it's not like it wasn't in the zeitgeist at the time i'm more honestly i'm more offended by the green mile thing to bring in green mile into that like you gross me out it's not particularly well remembered with the bad obvious jokes in it and yeah it's just the constant turns and for a

little reward i would say all these shocking twists for little reward it's definitely a terribly written story there's some jokes in it that make me chuckle because they're still funny actors and good animators and they write a couple funny jokes but yeah this this needed a full i think they maybe they were too sad after 9-11 to do a rewrite but this needed a rewrite big time get it together guys you're in la uh eric any final thoughts oh well i think i'm just gonna echo what you guys said that it's uh it's uh i mean i liked some of the jokes in here but it's kind of it's a dud episode and it's an episode that doesn't know what it wants to do and that's when we got it when we started getting tons of those on the simpsons is when i stopped

watching because it feels like they don't care. So why should I? Well, thank you for joining us, Eric, for another new low. Before you go, though, please let us know where to find you online and more about We Hate Movies and everything you're doing there, especially on the Patreon. Lots of fun bonus shows happening there. Well, thank you. Yeah. I mean, Scream 6 now in theaters.

My cartoon head decapitated in the background but yeah no we do a ton of content on the patreon of course we have the gleep glossary which is a star wars side show where i read old eu to the guys and i've quickly made that spiral out of control into into sound clips morning zoo late night talk show parody it's a lot of fun and ridiculous we have a star trek podcast where we go through episode by episode of TOS and TNG. We put out too much stuff. We got Melrose Place

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and i know it's a lot of folks also the mandalorian half hour oh my goodness animation damnation where we talk about cartoon episodes uh you name it we're in a great starting point the simpsons movie episode with bob and henry here oh thank you that i really liked your recent glee glossary about r4d4 r4d4 yes r4d r5 d4 r5d4 that's yes also known as skippy the jedi droid and yes we have a lot of fun on that one ruben ausland the director of triangle of sadness is on that episode not really what the story behind that is a letterboxd uh did some series of youtube videos leading up to the academy awards and had ruben ausland read the negative reviews for triangle of sadness and he read my review so i decided to cut up the video and make him a celebrity guest on the r5 one when r5 popped up in the new season of mandalorian

like i vaguely remembered this skippy story from my youth of like oh yeah wait i was telling my husband like i think there was like some dumb thing with him having the force or whatever and he kills himself intentionally i forgot all the wonderful details that i would that you in your great leap glossary uh reminded me and eric i will say you made this podcast a triangle of gladness oh i like that i like this i like when i us three friends can meet up this is a lot of fun thank you guys for having me thank you eric and we got to get you guys back on the show too thanks again to eric siska for being on the show please check out we hate movies and everything that they do but as for us if you want to check out more of what we do and get these episodes one week at a time and ad free please head on over to patreon.com slash talking

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