Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - The Great Louse Detective

Episode Date: September 13, 2023

The Berkeley Studio Era of Talking Simpsons ends just as it began: With a Sideshow Bob episode! Yes, as record one more time in our old recording space, we cover the season 14 ep that not only brought back Robert Underdunk Terwilliger, as well as an infamous culprit. How does Al Jean's new era deal with the return of the recurring villain, and why does it involve Mardi Gras & musical parodies? Listen along and learn as we've grown accustomed to your face on this week's podcast! Support this podcast and get over 150 bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking simpsons head there to check out exclusive podcasts like talking futurama talk king of the hill the what a cartoon movie podcast and tons more. I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, the podcast that made Ireland famous. I'm one of your hosts, people person who drinks, Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who is here with me today, as always? Hey, it's Henry Gilbert, and this is still better than Disney California Adventure. And this week's episode is The Great Laos Detective.

Ah! Sideshow Bob! Oh, come now. We've been through so much together. Just call me Bob. Ah! Bob! This episode originally aired on December 15th, 2002, and as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history.

Happy holidays, Bobby, as we're reaching the holiday season of 2002. Made in Manhattan beats the hot chick at the box office. Legend of Zelda Wind Waker is released in Japan. And all the kids want beyblades from santa this year oh beyblades are those battle tops it's the tops that battle yes it's basically top battling from the 40s or 30s except now it's pokemon i call them dreidel duels is this is this an anime too oh of course it's anime and it's still around beyblades is still around but it was part of the you know after pokemon every kid's thing had to have an anime from then on in that case like

digimon the next year it was yugioh the year after that now we're up to beyblades beyblades kids beyblades yeah beyblades i was reminded still exists and is a must be somewhat of a popular brand because at this year's Wrestlemania which I watch for free at a friend's house I did not pay for WWE content but at it a wrestler came out and was sponsored by Bay Blades and I was like babies kids I couldn't believe it was sponsored by that I was like wait they're they're paying for a wrestler sponsorship I guess they've got uh wrestling money these Bayblades that that wrestlemania by the way it was all ads like they are juicing every dollar they can out of that so every match is sponsored there's a match that was like this is the cinnamon toast crunch match and

then there was another one that was like sponsored and will forever be sponsored by the pope's exorcist okay it's like the crypto.com smackdown or something pretty much like that but it did get an intro in character from russell crowe from the pope's exorcist talking about like uh you know we have to excise our demons and it was basically him doing like a cameo video in a dark room made in manhattan that's the uh j-lo vehicle speaking of a reference in this episode yes yeah there's an odd reference in this episode i don't love the reference but yeah j-lo is starting to be the queen of rom-coms like she's for a for a small amount of time she was a top rom-comster and i think she still stars in the occasional like throwback rom-com like she did

that one with uh with owen wil Wilson where he's like a regular dad and then she decides out of nowhere to marry him because he has a marry me sign up at one of her concerts and so they're going to get married. I'm seeing this has Bob Hoskins in it. I had no idea. I didn't know this either. Now I should check it out.

And Rafe Fine is the other lead in this. Not Ralph Finney's no rave fines and uh but yeah it defeated the hot chick which is mainly remembered for disgusting things is that the schneider vehicle it's a freaky friday to a hot lady gets in rob schneider's body and a gross man gets put in a hot teen girl's body. You know what? He was the laughing stock of cinema even though he was making a lot of money but I bet he'd get anything to go back there now. Now that he's doing all

of these anti-COVID comedy tours or anti-vaccine comedy tours. He's just asking questions. And Wind Waker will be coming our way stateside in a few months after this but Nintendo got it out in japan before the new year's holidays so they could get a bunch of sales on it and yeah there were some improvements

essentially i think is like a you know a patch on the game was released by the time it came to america they made certain things a lot easier to do uh less tedious uh yeah it's an unfinished game uh hated at the time by Americans for many reasons. In fact, I was reading interviews with the Japanese staff. Miyamoto didn't like how it looked. Even he didn't? It's his call. I guess he just let them do it

because they were pretty far along. But I was working in games retail at the time, and this was known as the Gay Zelda. Everybody just called things gay all the time. Yeah, yeah. I remember my manager really liked this game, and I did too. And he would talk it up, and he would say,

oh, it's like you're playing a Looney Tunes game, and you show him the box. And I heard this a number of times. Someone would say, oh, that's the gay Zelda. Yeah, it's like you have to put a penis in your butthole while you're playing it. It comes with one. Yeah, it's a...

There's... Well, I mean, it was such the style of time that this episode has jokes of obviously only a homo would care about this kind of thing in the episode or i should say effeminate men is how they put it in the episode vain effeminate men yes yeah uh but yeah this is another guest free episode because i have to announce this up front this is our final recording in the Berkeley Henry's apartment studio. It's crazy, but yes. Thank you studio. You've been home to so many laughs. So many, so many good times. We need boys to men to drop in with. It's so hard to say goodbye

to yesterday. Hey, you know what? I'll drop that in behind this part here, but yeah, I don't put in one sweet day. That means one of us is dying no i i definitely was thinking back on this that our first talking simpsons that we recorded in this space was a sideshow bob episode it was sideshow bob's last gleaming just to give folks an idea of how long we've been doing it just in this apartment uh with that we've done it for five years in this spot like five and a half at this point yeah five and a half yeah and and yeah it's crazy that it was the first one was march 2018 and you know uh you listeners i'm curious if you'll be able to tell a difference in room tone when the change comes or not i wonder

well if they go back to that five-year-old podcast they'll hear a much younger man yes also that yeah who didn't didn't know that covid was coming. Like, I mean, this recording studio, especially during lockdown times, was the only place either of us went to for a very long time. Yes, for about 18 months, really. You listeners got to hear it. But, yeah, it's nuts that we are recording our last one here. And though by the time this is released, hopefully everything went great with our moves and we're all already very settled in. And you've actually heard our talk to the audience of us reflecting on this movie. released hopefully everything went great with our moves and we're all already very settled in and you've actually heard our talk to the audience of us reflecting on this movie and you might have

been to our pax panel i believe by this point maybe yeah if you're cool in my new city of residence seattle see i should add the seattle sound and i'll be living in vancouver yeah but yeah it's uh yeah we can't we can't wait for it but yeah it's the end of this table of this uh i mean these mics will stay the same maybe i'll buy new mic arms i don't know but the table's going away it's a black table though so it's not the kind that could take signatures on it anyway like say the the one that the earwolf studio unless you had the silver sharpies oh you know actually i think i do have silver but we stopped having in-person guests a very long time ago oh yes there's also that and even our biggest in-person guests a very long time ago. Oh, yes. There's also that.

And even our biggest in-person guests before that time were done in Hollywood. Like the Griffin Newman has sat there. Yeah, I will say I've said this before, but it's funny how podcasting has changed since we started doing this in this apartment. Because we would take trips to L.A. because we were worried like, oh, my God, if we don't have enough in-person guests, people won't like the podcast anymore. And then COVID happened and that just became the status quo that every guest is remote and we all got used to it and it's fine but I remember having

we had that anxiety like we gotta get in-person people yeah we can't have these big guests just over remotely well so like I think a positive of the of the lockdown was it sped up people's knowledge of how to record remotely like they all get got a bit better at it though uh we've had on we had on lots of guests back then who were like

they knew how to do a remote recording but they've all everybody stepped up their game once they couldn't leave their homes we all became podcasters some of us already were yes yeah you you joined our thing of being stay at home working well actually bob works from home half the time we let you in yes to our club and you better be nice but yes the end of an era lined up again with another sideshow bob episode released seven seasons apart that's how long uh it's been going for us yeah and i look forward to who knows where we're at when we get to the next sideshow bob episode and season oh dear god in three years i hope i'm in the same condo because i don't want to move again yeah actually you should be pretty much settled in maybe by that time i won't be a

renter anymore who knows i can put so many holes in those walls i can't wait you know i'm looking forward to the accounting of how much these holes at my place are going to cost me with my old landlord those every hole, $300. What are you going to do, fill the hole? Yeah, what they're going to say is like, it coincidentally lines up with how much your security deposit was, so we'll just be keeping that. I want my security deposit back because it is multiple thousands of dollars,

but we'll see if that happens. Yeah, that was money I handed over a decade ago, and it might as well not exist. But I'll welcome it into my pocket again. Jump in. They better not try to keep my $2,500 this time. That's a lot of a security deposit. I wouldn't do that now. Well, time for some serious S&M.

Scrubbing and mopping. Yes, that's once all the stuff's out of here that I will be doing that. Yes. But anyway, enough apartment talk. You've been hearing it all this time. None of this show has apartments in it. I won't make a personal best time of cleaning just like Marge does at the start of this episode. But yeah, this is the newest episode of Sideshow Bob we're doing in order here.

And it's his big return after his being sentenced to death at the end of his last episode in Day of the jack and apes and it feels like another instance of aljean kind of doing a spiritual sequel or being very inspired by his last run on the show because to me and i think you'll agree henry this feels like a spiritual sequel to cape fear in that someone is trying to kill homer and not bart but the uh the subversion of that is sideshow bob is helping yeah. It definitely takes so much from Cape Fear. There's multiple scenes that replicate Cape Fear. The reveal at the end of Act 1 is similar to Cape Fear as well.

And also the ending that has like almost two minute long musical sequence. Which has nothing to do with the story. Unlike Cape Fear, it's like, well, we're going to distract Sideshow Bob with singing until they get to where the police are or whatever more it's just a time killer i and and yeah i mean all we ever talk about is how this is the first digital blah blah blah and so i've said it all the time but i will say i think it was a downside that for them to reference cape fear so closely that is one of the best animated episodes the series has ever ever had and this being the first digital at that budget yeah i just see like oh this looks kind of static in a way or they're just like

learning still yeah well they cut back to they show clips of homer's enemy and even in season eight i'm like wow that looks so much better but i would kill to get this animation back that's true it's been 10 years since we've had the show looking this good and not like the puppety stuff that they'd really try to work the hardest to make it look good but does not look good as this hand-drawn digital stuff yeah i mean i do miss this era but i think you know compare it to treehouse 13 you can tell the money is different for this than that one like that one is basically like not theatrical level but it is like it's two steps up in budget wise from a standard episode of Simpsons.

This is more like how Simpsons will be looking from now on when David Silverman is in the director and he can't get rough draft to step it up a little bit. Like I feel like he's on this episode though, uh, cause he's back to the show right now. Right. So he's still, he's definitely working on it, but it's not like he's not the series director again, though. I think he is more in the creative. And I mean, it's not his title, but I think he's more like the Brad Bird. Like, oh, I have a couple of notes kind of guy instead of, you know, a full series director.

Because a lot of the Bob stuff in here felt Silverman to me. And I have to assume, well, that's a Silverman drawing, or he gave notes on a drawing. It just feels like when the Bob action happens, especially the multiple electrocutions, it does feel Silverman-y. Oh, yes. There's the shot of Bob with his knife up at the end with his big smiling face and the rounded teeth.

I was like, that looks like Silverman, just like they pasted his drawing onto the screen. But no knock against Stephen Deed Moore and his team on this. I think they were doing their best with the new process of digital animation. And the teams of Los Angeles and Seoul, they're still getting used to it. I just expect like, oh, if it's a Sideshow Bob episode, it's the best looking episode of the season. And I think it's also crazy that they decided to,

normally Bob is like mid season or late season this is the first in production order of 14 like this is how they choose to start 14 is working on a sideshow bob episode but it's also almost three months into the year right yes yeah yeah though the season began just a month and a half ago at this point right yeah uh and uh behind the scenes on this it was it's a frankenpain john frank and don payne and uh they pitched the episode uh you know it's the it marks the age of the people on it that my first thought was like well this is clearly a silence of the lamb thing but they they bring up the 1968 robert wagner show it takes a thief

oh yeah yeah they did mention sounds of the lambs and i thought like i would just go all the way with the parody but i guess they had done enough silence of the lambs parodies when it was a new reference that maybe it felt like a little cheap i mean yeah in earlier episodes bob is locked up like the silence of the lambs guy yeah i think bart mr burns and bob were all in that hannibal Lecter dolly at one point. It was the hot thing. But once Billy Crystal did it at the Oscars, then it's over. He can't do it anymore.

But yeah, I mean, when they walk through the prison, that's more Silence of the Lambs than It Takes a Thief, which is a 60s show that ran for three seasons starting in 68, where a guy is like, he was a master thief. Now he helps people catch thieves. That kind of deal. It's like the retired criminal show that Troy McClure was on. It does. Handle with Care.

Except it should have been jammed together with the original Odd Couple. I thought they said to catch a thief, the Hitchcock movie. And I was like, well, that has nothing to do with this. So I didn't make out the actual reference. Yeah, it's again, it's another of those shows that like i feel like we've been talking about this so much since we did look well or maybe it's because after look well i just noticed it everywhere but all these late 60s early 70s shows that were taking movie stars of the 50s and 60s and saying well now you're a television star you know we were

just talking about it with buddy ebsen on the king of the hill episode yeah or it's like you had a role you're famous for now you're going to be older and playing a detective or a lawyer yeah it was it was the demands of the time now now all the old movie stars have to play who they played when they were young and like put back on the batman rubber again robots make them younger we've seen it also though this is al jean kind of dealing with an episode that was not particularly liked internally, I don't think. I do think it's not as hated internally as Principal the Pauper, but Homer's Enemy, I think, was a disliked episode internally at Simpson. I think internally and I think externally, too. I recall the discourse around this time was, oh, that made Homer seem too mean. It's an episode that I liked. I understood why it was polarizing, but I think we've all come around on it being one

of the classics. But we're only five years out, four years out from its original airing, and the reaction is much different 20 plus years ago. Yeah, now to me it feels like, you know, where do you guys get off dumping on Homer's enemy when you're in your own quality issues era right now especially like yeah the little clip to it just reminds you like this looks so much better than the than current simpsons season 14 and i feel like on the commentary when gene mentions the grimes thing and calls back to it there's a pregnant pause of and gene's is like well it's some people's favorite episode like he doesn't want to go on the record of saying i think this episode sucks because that is not the classy move

to do well we've heard on the record that some of the choices that oakley and weinstein made were not popular and they themselves i have a feeling or not popular with everybody who runs the show but these are guesses i'm making you just have to see who hasn't been invited back and you have to wonder why at a certain point you go like well if this person never gets invited to the party then you know it feels like it's not an accident it's not their invite wasn't lost in the mail uh but yeah i also think this is it's gene's first return to sideshow bob really like he he wasn't i think he was back on staff for jack and apes but he was not in charge but this is him taking his bob which his bob is a lot less a republican and more of a shutterer like he loves making kelsey grammar make noises like this is the noises episode for him i

guess he's more of just a boy murderer yes Yes, yeah. It's less political. Yeah, the political aspect of him, or also his hatred for Krusty, not a part of this either. Like, it's just Bob is a nice guy who wants to murder Bart. Like, that's really kind of all he is. You know, I was maybe too negative on this when I first watched it, especially back when it was new and the revelation. I thought, this sucks. They brought back Bob for this to crap on

the frank crimes episode an episode i never disliked i always liked it i think i like for the frank crimes episode way more now than i did 20 years ago but i still really liked it even that i don't remember what i thought about it i do recall thinking that this is an odd call back to make because again it's only this episode is only four years old it wasn't considered a classic yet yeah it wasn't like in 2002 you'd be like oh yeah mr plow classic um cape fear classic season eight you weren't quite there yet but soon enough soon enough time would work that way but i guess yeah the the episode begins after a an okay channel flipping couch gag it seems a bit slight because when homer flips to the channels he only goes to two different time periods and there are no gags it feels very off to me there should be a third thing

that's funny yes yeah it feels like somebody forgot to write a third joke in there uh then of course we start typical marge comedy of this era she's cleaning marge loves to clean hey her weapon in the arcade game is a vacuum cleaner and now she's picked it back up to get her new personal best here i think also it's one of those times where it's like they dress marge up to look like the writer's moms like of what their home cleaning outfit look like the 60s mom with a kerchief in her hair because she hasn't done up her hair yet so she's gotta like put a bandana around it yes though maggie being vacuumed up in it seems very shortsy to me like especially the way she gets all the stuff out of her hair that

felt a little like silverman could have been involved in that or it just felt there was a little like rule breaking in it and i'd say and also maggie then puts the pacifier back in her mouth without cleaning it even and just i think with parents and babies there are a lot of like no one must ever know kind of moments yeah you just keep it to yourself i guess i guess you swallowed that and you lived and now yeah i guess that magnet traveled through you so everything's cool like i didn't know you ate this coin until i cleaned it out of your diapers so no harm no foul this baby's paying off then homer comes home for a mail call, a classic Simpsons mail call.

And then we get a reference to something that I think you can still buy. Oh, yeah. I think he still exists. Yes. I assume there are many variants of this, unlicensed, of course. But the George Foreman Grill, still popular amongst college students and dirtbags. It's a nice, cheap plug-in grill that didn't seem to be too responsible for any noted apartment fires the at least in in articles i read on it apparently it works very

well i was kidding about the dirtbag comment because i know my wife likes these i do think they are nice i had friends who had i never had one i'm more of an air fryer guy uh than but that's a new invention i know i wish george foreman had invented this air fryer i i thought we were crazy about paninis back then like, you can make anything into a panini now. Or do I buy a panini? That's right. Oh, man. I remember a joke on, I think Delta Burke did it on an episode of Designing Women with one of those panini presses where she's like, I'll just put applesauce in the middle of these breads and it'll be just like apple pie. Then she finds out it does not taste anything like apple pie.

I think as a kid, I just was imagining like all the paninis I could make if my parents would just buy one of these. The short history on the George Foreman fat-busting grill, a mean green fat-busting grill machine, or the George Foreman grill. The infomercial first aired in 1996, and that's when it started to take off. But it was actually invented in 1993 by the same guys who made the Ron Popeil Pasta Master and the Juice man, which when you look at a picture of the juice man, you're like, oh, that's the inspiration for the juice

loosener that Homer buys. Oh, we were juicing stuff left and right. We were dehydrating things. And so the same guys build this grill and they make a patent for a very clever idea that nobody thought of before, which is, you know how if you cook, say, meat in a skillet, all the fat's just pooling around it? And what if you were to tilt that skillet, and then the hot grease went out of it into a funnel?

Well, then you'd end up with a brand new type of plug-in grill. They then found George Foreman to be the endorser of it, because they were like, ah, this isn't selling enough. We need somebody famous for it. They go to George Foreman to be the endorser of it because they were like, this isn't selling enough. We need somebody famous for it. They go to George Foreman. George Foreman smartly says he didn't want an upfront payment. He wants a piece of every grill sold, which is why some people say he is worth half a billion dollars and it's mainly grill money.

I believe it. You know, I'm an instant pot man. I think I like my warm slops more than uh air fried things or pressed meats well you know you're not much of a meat man in general i guess you could put like salmon or fish on it you know but sure you don't really need to knock out the fat uh as much from a that is say a burger that's true yeah but yeah that they sold so well that in 1999 alone they said they sold 160 million worth of those grills and there were there were so many ripoffs of it i recall the hulk hogan ripoff of it now if you ask hulk hogan he says those guys came to him first and he turned them down and he regrets it now hulk hogan lies

about every single thing he has ever said so you should not believe that story he was more of a pasta mania man so he yes exactly he had his pasta mania place and then afterwards he's like part of his story was he turned it down which justifies why he made his own thing called the hulk hogan ultimate grill and its attempt to be better than the george foreman grill was that the george foreman grill apparently you know it it didn't heat on the top at first. It was just heated on the bottom, I believe. So his was like, no, it heats on both sides. And that may sound like a real fire hazard. And it was.

And they got sued over it. Jesus. So if you still have your Hulk Hogan Ultimate Grill, do not plug it in. You're going to start a fire. I was looking up the pasta main restaurant. It is the mid-90s. And I think that's when the idea of like oh uh carbo loading healthy pastas i think that's why right what generated that idea now it's like yes uh fill your body with hard to break down sugars very healthy well i if you're

going to then start clanging uh weights in the gym like you're hulk hogan then carbo loading like that might have been pretty good i would say go for protein instead yes no that's actually what everything has told me when i've started picking up dumbbells again i've just been like yeah now you drink your protein drink afterwards which that tasty protein drink tells me i'm done that's it's uh it's my pavlovian response now to what is essentially a plant-based nesquik that has uh protein in it but it's uh my mouth is watering now thinking about that but yeah chalky yes yeah it's good well you know it being plant-based it's not as chalky as the way based i've seen yeah listen to me i sound like i'm a real gym around and he's afraid of soy he believes the conspiracy uh yes these are p proteins pda proteins so when that thing says george foreman

i like money he does he made a whole lot of money i like the animation of all of the bad mail being pressed into a patty and how it's like a little sticky when homer gets it off into the bun it is a lot of fat on that and then he he eats it like a burger it is it is a very silly opening here uh and yeah i mean look up if you want a blast from the past look up the full infomercial is on youtube of the original one of george foreman with the uh his white lady co-host and they're just like uh well oh you're gonna beat up the fat how can you do that you mean i can eat all the red meat i want yes now that steak looks as good as anything you get in a five-star restaurant

you can put a who's putting a steak in there? That's crazy. I bet people have. Maybe steak ums. Yeah, yeah. Definitely not filet mignon is going in there. Boy, I haven't had a steak um in like 20 plus years, I think. When I watched the original infomercial, I was reminded of like, this is what Mr. Show is parodying.

This is the, Mr. Show had like 700 infomercial parodies. That was definitely like, there was a few of them with a british guy and i know that with uh fantastic newness the super pan sketch they're zeroing in on that guy yeah no now a lot of the guys who sold those things to us in infomercials are either dead or in jail now but yes we then after homer sorts through the mail we then uh find out that as usual in this era, the Simpsons somehow get a luxury gift that allows the writers to joke about the rich guy stuff they do. Yes, yes.

On the commentary, you're hearing about these luxury spots. Can you believe them? Yeah, so just before this, we're like, boy, can you believe how it is to be in a skybox, an expensive skybox? Like, no, I don't know uh simpsons writers stop complaining uh man our private security firm like all of these things yes and so uh the family gets a free invite to a spa your family is invited to a free weekend at stagnant spring spa oh that place is famous it's where j-Lo hit P-Diddy upside the head with Gary Coleman. Our attendants can take 10 years off your face and stick it in your boobs.

And this place isn't just for gals anymore. It's also for vain effeminate men. You should just say, like, gay. Or just say the F-slur. That's what you mean, right? I heard this recently on that Chapo podcast. The way people say the word twink now, they just mean the F-slur for gay people. They don't actually mean to describe a twink.

This is before Queer Eye for the Strike. I made it cool to care about your skin and how you look and everything. Because I use three kinds of soaps and two kinds of moisturizers. Man, I only have two kinds of soaps and one kind of moisturizer. Bob's gayer than me. That's true. Except for the one thing. The Simpsons will be right back.

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missing visit patreon.com slash talking simpsons now now now now to see it all but yeah the joke that like only an old celebrity man would give a shit about his looks like all other men shouldn't care no man cares about his looks otherwise right guys why is my wife cheating on me what's happening these things are unrelated speaking of cheating that's the the jaylo and p diddy story what the what is this you know when i saw the joke and it wasn't an adr joke i i thought this was with the original joke it's insane that it was yeah so uh in case you didn't know before benifer it was jennifer lopez was dating sean puff daddy combs or p diddy jlo and p diddy that kind of name for famous people broke the brains of boomers who write comedy back then his name is p diddy now when he changed his name to p diddy i thought well there's already a guy named diddy and i know him and he's a he's a monkey

so you can't do this yeah Yeah. He didn't even realize that it was a British slang for little. But yeah, so they started dating in 1999 because she was getting her music career really taken off and he was a producer back then. They started dating by February 2001. They would break up and that's when she'd end up with Ben Affleck, who now she's back with Ben Affleck, at least the time of this recording some people in the media back then said the breakup was because p diddy was unfaithful to j-lo which then a few years ago in an interview she's like oh yeah he cheated on me all the time like i've never never had a partner that unfaithful leaving me in tears all the time i assume gary coleman was never in the same room

with either person no that one is not connected. It's just a fun random reference, it seems like. You know, when they mention some celebrities on this, they do even say like, oh yeah, we're referencing people who would be guests or were a guest in the past. Gary Coleman had been on the show already at this point. Is Jennifer Lopez ever on The Simpsons or is she too big? I don't think she's been on The Simpsons. No, I don't think she's been on the simpsons no i i don't think so uh the the but they they they make a joke about the dixie chicks

calling one of them the fat dixie chick later and i'm just like you know she's she's gonna be on your show soon guys uh even on the commentary they're like oh we shouldn't have done that it's kind of mean and i looked her up and i was like you're stretching the meaning of fat here guys she's not as skinny as the two others at best they they are adding to the kind of stuff that leads to mean jokes at the start of this episode about how celebrities want to look younger like this is the complex they get started also when he says like uh stick it in your boobs i'm like we just did this with large bars we did facelift and cosmetic surgery jokes and this is completely unrelated but we just covered the teenage mutant lilas hurdles episode for talking futurama on our patreon and

they go to a spa and the lady here reminds me of heather from the spa yeah you're right it seems like in hollywood every spa is run the same and you walk through get the same kind of guided tour it's full of jokes yeah it's full of i mean this is what happens when out of shape comedy writers get tours of fancy spas in their head they're writing the script already of how they're gonna mock this on their cartoon show later also this is their second brocott joke in a row for well not in a row but it was in part versus lisa versus third grade yeah i like this one more than him being bulimic or something the fact that his face is put on but again it's another reference to the greatest generation his book the bart's right to say this sucks when it's like he the way he says greatest

regeneration like he it's almost like he's looking in the camera like eh eh though i was also noting how little harry shearer speaks in this I'm wondering if there was like an internal rule that he doesn't do incidental voices anymore. And so he will do characters he's done in the past, but he like, there's several times where I'm like, well, that guy could have been Harry Shearer for this. I think he's just Brockman and Rainier Wolfcastle and Brokaw in this. I think in this century, he's pulling back from the show you know he's not quitting he tried to but uh he's only committed to his characters for the most part

and as bart is getting sick of these jokes then we say he says he's going to put a baby ruth in the water there which that i feel is intentionally a reference to caddyshack because the caddyshack is a harvard lampoon movie written by a lot of the Harvard lampooners. So the specificity of a Baby Ruth, though, if you're, I guess if you're asking me what American candy bar looks the most like poop, if you put it in water, I would guess a Baby Ruth probably. It depends on who's poop. Maybe a Twix. Sure, a Twix. Well, okay, if you want to discuss people with the most, the thing that looks the most like an ugly turd, then I think Baby Ruth might be the weightiest and chunkiest. I used to love Baby Ruth, though.

See, after all this talk, I feel like I can't not just associate it with dumb. Eating poop? Yeah. Well, I haven't had one in like a decade or so, but I think it was my preferred candy bar. My preferred candy bar, if we went to the grocery store right now and said, I think it was my preferred candy bar my preferred candy bar if we went to the grocery store right now and said i'll pay for one free candy bar for you i think it would be a twix i'd still go with twix that's my number one still i would i'd be like all frou-frou

about it and get the uh 85 dark chocolate bar or whatever those are actually i i've had those recently they are pretty good i had ones that had uh you know a little sea salt caramel in them though also one with like dried blueberries in them that i also really like but yeah if we're talking about a shiny package of a candy bar twix is still number one for me and then kit kat though baby ruth i mean i'll just get a snickers if i'm going into peanut town like with a baby ruth this next joke though the dr seuss thing dr ma seuss my uh reading of this joke was somebody's wife took them to seussical and they're mad about it that because seussical was new in the year 2000 and this show probably written in 2001 i'm guessing or early 2002 if only there was a writer on the commentary who was literally saying my wife made me go to that maybe mike reese that

definitely feels like a mike reese thing mike reese's whole life based on his twitter is like my wife made me go to here yeah all these places uh kidding about being forced to do things but it kind of kind of enjoying it yeah i think i mean i never wanted to watch seussical it was these weird you know pretty much even today to make a new musical usually you do need to tie it into an IP of some kind. Dr. Seuss was, his widow was ready to sign up for deals that has certain level of respectability. Just watch the kids in the hall, Dr. Scooch, Dr. Scooch, Dr. Seuss Bible sketch. There is no Dr. Scooch.

You know, with Seussical, I don't even know a song from it. I just know the Family Guy joke from around this same time where after a bad musical performance by stewie somebody screams at him like this is worse than seussical oh we're gonna talk about stewie later in this episode don't worry oh boy uh but yes in our next clip here everybody gets a massage bad posture has floobled and snozzled your neck. I'll stop talking like this if you write me a check. These turtles know

just where the knots are. It just shows you God has a plan for every creature. Yes. Yes, indeed. Oh! Yes, yes indeed. Oh, ah, oh, help! Please, someone throw me a stick! Don't struggle. You'll only sink faster.

Roll your eyes back into your head, focusing on your breathing. You should feel a pleasant tingling. Ooh, I do, I do! on your breathing you should feel a pleasant tingling oh i do i do now get down on all fours with your rear in the air what position is this the american taxpayer the american taxpayer she reacted negatively he's wearing like some hippie or whatever necklace and he adjusted like a tie but boy oh boy this is self-indulgent it's so sweaty but this this era was where one

hank azaria seemingly loves doing a johnny carson impersonation and two al jean's like i remember writing jokes for johnny carson let's let's bring that back and this i mean this does uh follow the johnny carson joke telling style in which if a joke did not get a response he would just repeat the punch line and kind of look around probably this also goes into like my wife made me do it category these yoga jokes but i yes if your first thought for somebody starting to do yoga is these look like sexual positions yes and so of course with your butt in the air like what do you say oh the american taxpayer meaning uh american you're screwed if you're a taxpayer reamed yeah yeah um now this reminded me uh someone bought me massage once and they meant well

but it was a yoga massage. And I've had a massage before, very seldomly. I like you lay on the table and they just like pound the shit out of you and it's great. This one was too much work, frankly. It was like making me get into positions and stuff. And I was like in a very small room with another person. It just, it felt like way too intimate. I barely knew this person and not that I expected to know them but i just want to have my bones and muscles pounded by someone while having my face through a hole that's all i'm asking yeah i i expect i've never got a massage before but i expect to stay still

and get get squeezed on not a yoga massage that does sound like work it was too much work also i still fear with those like massages this is like my massage fear that like it'll look like an above the board place but all you hear are these stories of like then when you get to the end of this what you thought was a normal massage they kind of like give you a look of like so and you're like wait no no i i don't want this uh i feel like if you're walking into one of those places you'll know you think yeah well i and also you can turn down the hand job you could say no thanks well yeah yeah no i i wouldn't be like well i guess you gotta do it no no i but i'm scared of the awkwardness of even having to just say don't touch my genitals kevin smith when i saw the clerks three thing he told a very kevin

smith story that he went to a massage parlor for a real massage after like a day of working out but he in his telling of the story he stupidly did not realize it was a place where nobody gives you a real massage and that you're supposed to get a hand job and that when the hand job moment came and he's like no no then he said the woman was not trained to give real massages and was actually quite bad at it oh okay well if your doctor refers you maybe yes i'm thinking of getting more massages in general because of my job uh that hurts the shit out of my back yeah yeah no hey we've uh you get old enough and hopefully you're able to afford to treat the things that you did to your body when you weren't rich enough

to do these things or given health insurance oh also that just just sit down for 20 hours a day well soon you'll have that canadian i can get hand jobs through the government that's the canadian taxpayer position yeah boy in my memory i was actually ready for worse with the asian woman massaging homer though it's not great though i won't yeah no i feel like uh tress mcneil would have been less broad and kind of racist uh less racist is what i mean because we get harrop and prees yeah yeah i i think that's pamela hayden if i it's pamela hayden yeah but i mean she didn't write the joke she didn't in. I don't think she was in the room saying like, put L's in it so I can then, you know, put the accent on it.

But the few lines she's given feel like they had L's intentionally because it's very broad and we could still do this in 2002. I also feel like around the same time, like, you know, too, I remember I was watching Curb Your Enthusiasm and it was also followed by like that mind of the married man show which i watched a couple episodes of just because like well i may as well keep watching what's on after curb on hbo and in the same season they both did episodes about asian immigrants massage women who give them a hand job like i think i think tv has poisoned you henry sometimes you can just get a regular massage and uh that's all there is well i'm just saying both of these

comedians in la they both had jokes of i accidentally got a hand job massage which now sounds like what a cheating spouse lies to later of like i couldn't have known and and uh it was an accident i didn't go to a place where they told me that you get sexual favors i think in seattle it's all above board i'm so sick of jokes about happy endings too and things just the term happy ending it's gross like oh it's the happy ending get it like yeah kuros but speaking of gross too i don't like seeing frank nelson's taint massaged by marge's hair i don't like that uh it's weird to see him in the yoga class but i guess if anyone was gonna get their taint scrubbed by marge's hair sure it's really just about hearing who's

the funniest guy to react to it well the oh yes guy he's the one i like i mean it's a funny drawing of him with his particular body shape bent over in a yoga position so we have a joke about johnny carson's monologues and then we move on to a joke about Sergeant Schultz yes I have a tiny clip of that here too oh my god a naked celebrity be cool don't stare at his famous wing ha ha ha go ahead look the whole world already saw it in nudist camp come on don't I want nothing there you go yes Sergeant schultz i know nothing i see nothing i know nothing when they put sergeant schultz as basically a character in the germans by the planet episode that was 10 years ago it's only an older reference now intentionally so i'm not

saying like oh how corny they know they're being corny also they've never drawn rainier wolf castle with a more perfect body like yeah he he's really recovered after playing that fat secret agent that's wow what were all these jokes like i guess arnold was putting on weight occasionally or there'd be like photos of like look at him i think that was a joke about stallone putting on weight for cop land that's the one yeah we all talk about cop land i wonder how many nude celebs they you see in hollywood gyms around them like how how many do you see but i i mean this is also just a general joke about like in men's locker rooms like there are the guys that like wow they're just dicks swinging around here or balls hanging loose usually old guys mostly old

guys yeah it's like eyes on the floor always on god's floor i was also thinking like there's not as much celeb nudity in things these days but there was just in that i learned in that new jennifer lawrence movie she does a full naked scene in it but it is entirely comedic and it uh it sounds very funny it sounds like a silly boner yes yeah it's a classic silly boner i mean i, I like that she's like Jennifer Lawrence. The movie No Hard Feelings is she's supposed to look as hot as possible. But then it's like, okay, it's time for her nude scene. But then it is a silly nude scene where she gets in a fight, which sounds very funny. I've heard that movie's okay, but people are just enchanted about,

I can see a comedy in a theater. Yes. They let this in. We're recording this the week of Barbiebie and oppenheimer coming out together i know you're sick of hearing about what if now listen to me everybody it's crazy and i i only thought of this i didn't see this anywhere else online i'm surprised what if you saw them both on the same day i think it would be a very funny premise i saw them within 24 hours okay but not well henry's living it yeah but obviously in september these are old even older thoughts but

it did seem like this summer was the summer at movies where people thought like wait i could just see a regular movie again it doesn't have to be like uh it doesn't have to tie into a whole like universe or franchise or set things up you say that but are there sequel hooks and barbie there there aren't not but oh jokes so there are but it's not like the flash was full of scenes of like here's the eight movies we can make the flash out of barbie feels old school in that if they wanted to make spinoffs they could but it did not seem like the creation of a barbie verse with an entire that was secondary and oppenheimer ended with oppenheimer will return in oppenheimer 2 truman time there's some things unexplored in oppenheimer though give Oppenheimer will return in Oppenheimer 2, Truman time.

There's some things unexplored in Oppenheimer, though. Give him hell, Harry. It is. I mean, they could. I don't want to spoil for you who plays Harry Truman in it, because I think it's supposed to be a surprise, but they could make a Harry Truman movie with that guy. The main fun of Oppenheimer to me is going like, oh, there's that actor. Oh, man, that actor. Like when they announced the filming of it in the casting it seriously was a wall of like four dozen actors you've heard of mainly men

but when you see him you're like oh yeah it's that guy oh it's that guy oh it's that guy uh somebody pointed out that it's the third time he's cast a uh co-star of 10 things i hate about you oh yeah i saw that on twitter yeah but anyway yes all that to say that hogan's hero's reference very old yeah and so so he exits the room then homer we get to see he's in danger as the killer puts a wrench in the door and locks homer in and gives a little thumbs up as well this steam room death isn't that how somebody no it's a jacuzzi in zombie nightmare how somebody dies right they're not killed because of the jacuzzi they're killed in the jacuzzi oh okay i believe i believe or they're chased out of the jacuzzi like i think the man is killed in the jacuzzi which means the woman runs out in her

underwear and is chased by the camera of course that's right i was trying to remember like i'm sure there have been many steam room kills in many slasher movies but i like how the hooded killer in this scene gives a little thumbs up of just like yeah i did it yeah i was expecting funnier jokes on the dial because we just have steam broil and murder yeah doesn't it feel like that needs a rewrite it's just like the couch gag where it's like wait no no you guys i know you're better than this then we get a little collar tug they've really been doing a lot of collar tugs in this uh this new gene era except it's just loose flesh. That's a great one.

I mean, the animation of Homer's loose skin flesh is pretty funny. And so Homer tries to get out. He's about to die. They know in the commentary there is a good effect on his finger streaks on the condensation on the window. That is good. But fortunately, Homer is saved by Kr uh crusty who's about to take his schvitz and they get all the torso specifics right on crusty as well much appreciated even the cattle skull birthmark and then he says who ordered the steamed gentile which makes homer hungry

this reminds me of because i went to catholic school we would have to start the morning by reading a prayer or whatever and we have to come up to the front of the class and read something sometimes. And I had to read a passage that kept using the word Gentile, except I had never seen the word Gentile. I had seen the word genital before in class. So I kept saying genital and I kept getting sternly corrected. No, Gentile. Gentile. I was just getting very flustered because I'm being presented with Gentile for the first time.

And of course, because I'm in Catholic school, no one is telling me what this means. It's like, just read it verbatim. That's how you become holy. They expect, and you're scared to ask and they don't want to teach you, but maybe your teacher thought you were a little Weisenheimer trying to get away with it. Nope. I knew Gentile. It was their fault for teaching me sex ed.

Actually, sex ed at a Catholic school. That sounds crazy. Well, of course course we were taught sex ed to never use it oh yes of course yeah well i would bet yours was still more open uh maybe could have been more open-minded than my public school in red florida uh teaching which i'm sure is much better now in florida oh god uh but so then this is when hom Homer asks the pigs for help. Don't worry, us pigs will catch this killer. Now, Mr. Simpson, is it possible you're living a double or triple life that your wife doesn't know about? Triple? No, definitely no.

You have to do something to protect my husband. Where on my badge does it say anything about protecting people? Second word, Chief. Thanks, Princeton Pete. Now, your case requires someone who understands the twisted mind of a murderer. And I know just where to find him. Paris? No, no, not Paris.

I'm never going to go to Paris. Poor Marge. Yeah, but don't feel too bad for her. She'll eventually get to go to paris at least twice uh the family entirely moves to paris at the end of season 15's bart mangled banner then in the 2021 balenciaga commercial marge is there for fashion week in paris and homer sings la mer to her while they're going across i guess what the river seine is that the big river the sen the sen so marge the important thing is marge eventually does get to go to paris good for her i think it's hardly intentional but

her dreaming of going to paris her whole life would fit with a woman who could help someone study french in high school like it does fit with that background in part with the france right yeah she was very she should have been incredibly jealous of that maybe she kept that to herself but yeah also homer homer will he can confirm he doesn't have a triple life he won't admit to a double life but by the way homer they okay aljean says they always like try to reset when a new showrunner comes over and especially when it comes to homer smarts they want to reset and not make him too dumb but now that we're at the start of season 14 this is almost as stupid as like homer is peter griffin level stupid in this episode multiple times like this is how dumb they write him in a treehouse episode yeah i feel like there was less of a back to basics attempt by gene i think maybe later he

gets into it more but i think he's trying to fight off the impulses of the scully era yeah from the writers who remain from that era yeah but again he's just so dumb here i can't believe how dumb he is and so they head over to campbell's chunky soup maximum security prison we're just talking about weird product placement and things yeah that's right i don't think there actually is any prison that that's the silly thing that would take it but they also said in the establishing shot the sideshow bob cape fear theme just to make it extra clear though i'm sure the commercials gave it away too though i can only find one vintage commercial of this and the one joke they put it in uh it's one of those like

everything's on fox sunday so that's like six seconds from a different show. And the one they choose for Simpsons is the masseuse in Homer's back. That's the shot they use. That's weird. Yeah. And this is clearly the Silence of the Lambs thing where Clarice is being led down the prison corridor and is being catcalled and having like cum thrown at her. Yes. I thought they were going to do a joke on that, but maybe they just wanted to kind of

hint at the premise, but not make you realize they're doing it. I'm glad there wasn't anything that could be like metaphorically semen in this scene yeah um though man march has such big hair it'd be funny if it got stuck in it something about margie glad they resisted that this season too i i think my favorite joke in the episode is second favorite joke in the episode is their play on like each one crazier than the last that wig them then in almost like a a very obsessive compulsive way of like no no you have to trade seats because he's crazier than you and you're not you're not in the proper order of being one crazier than the last i don't know if we see decapitating harry anymore maybe he works himself

into the background as like a side character or a background character this was another of these scenes where i was like boy couldn't sheer be one of these guys but it's like both incidental guys are dan and hank i it definitely feels like for season 14 cheer is stepping back his hours on the show uh then i have a tiny clip here but as theme park fans this gave me a good chuckle i don't think this was a great place to bring the children. It still beats Disney's California Adventure. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Boy, yeah, we do.

Everyone agrees it sucks. Yes. And pretty soon they're going to be doing an episode about Epcot and why it sucks. Yeah, that's the next episode, isn't it? Special Ed Night. Yeah. Disney California Adventure, or DCA as fre freaks call it has improved a lot in 20 years although it's more of like let's do that the next day kind of thing yeah it's like i mean

when we do it on our trips it is more of like a a half day thing of like well but we're gonna get the park hopper to spend the evening in disneyland because i mean we could ride a couple things twice but even at that point you you're like, I'm kind of out of stuff. It's fun because you can drink in the park, but also you can drink 100 feet outside of Disneyland at one of the bars. And now you can go to the Star Wars Cantina and even drink in the park now. If you want, what, a flight for $80?

Yeah, a flight. Well, that $80, though, Bob, you're getting yourself some tusks of a Sarlacc. No, not a sarlacc oh my god rancor rancor okay i've had i've had a couple of drinks myself here so it's a little my star wars terminology is i want to see you drinking out of those every day at your new place they'll get packed away and cleaned and then they'll be uh yes well we'll drink out of them don't you worry i assume it's still hard to get into that cantina at uh i gotta think so yeah everything's hard to get into it's uh people every time you go to disney now even california adventure you're surrounded by people who thought i thought you could just show up and

do things in disneyland and then you're cackling at them because you're like no i knew that you needed five apps to do all of this bullshit like well they kicked all the the annual pass people out because they're like we know you're coming here to hang out and work on your screen play get the fuck out statistically you don't spend enough but yeah the disney california venture at this time was about 18 months old it launched in the first half of 2001 with no truly great ride and a whole lot of boring stuff and including what many park goers say is the worst ride in Disney history. Superstar Limo? Superstar Limo.

Yeah. So they are in a really bad spot right here. I feel like I only started hearing that Disney California Adventure was worth going to after Cars Land opened. That's when people were telling me like, no, Radiator Springs is actually really fun. Best ride there. Yeah. The Monsters, Inc. ride is the repurposed superstar limo ride or like it's like superstar celebrity limo the title is too busy but then i think the little mermaid ride is there too and that's like a modern version of the classic fantasyland dark rides and that's fine but disneyland you want to go there first and ride the three roller coasters and see the classic stuff

the incredic coasters good the though a stuff the encredit coaster is good the though a little exciting for my blood the guardians ride is a nice time depending how much you care about guardians or not and then yeah they're starting to build up more rides they're supposed to be an avengers ride eventually but keeps getting delayed like all things at disneyland they constantly get delayed they're gonna be selling it to like comcast or something bob eiger is losing a billion dollars every day and he's looking for things to burn i mean also at the parks uh recently at the time this recording there's also stuff about like oh well we don't have actors at this premiere so we will have our costume characters show up at this movie premiere that's great right they're not paid like actors and they can't talk but you can't tell the deadly difference

just hearing all of the family agree that disney california adventure sucks like i think too there's a special thing about when you go to it that it never makes sense to me when i've visited because it's always been when i'm a california resident and so it's like hey it's time to celebrate california it's like i'm here all the time i don't give it but the reason they made it a california venture is because they thought oh the tourists who visit california they can't spend all the tourists who visit California, they can't spend all the time in Disneyland. They want to see all of California. So it's like, what if we had a Northern California vineyard right here in Disneyland? Then they wouldn't have to go. You could have sourdough and tortillas on the same trip.

Now it's really just about the drinking and going to DCA. And oh yeah, it's also like, why go to Muir Woods in San Francisco when you could just walk in a small park in DCA I also like that uh that water ride with the like Mickey's super splashdown I don't know what it's called okay I thought you're saying the grizzly peak one that might be it yeah yeah that one's fun Soren's all right yeah I think Soren's all right it's good it's not real though no it's like it's like Patrick Warburburton vr i mean i like being told things by patrick warburton it's a funny voice to hear i will warn everyone that uh grizzly peak uh water raft ride uh one person always gets really wet it's like strategically made so one person

gets absolutely wet and then there's a dry yourself off booth that costs five dollars so it's like russian roulette yeah for yeah it was never me it was never me i don't think i will i'll ride it again when it gets its reformatting but the last time i rode splash mountain i was in the you get extremely wet seat and it's at the start of the damn ride so you're just soaked the entire time now it's more like woke mountain you're right and i got extremely woke sitting in this seat you may get woke riding this ride and you know what it'll be way more expensive to dry it off meaning get red pill can i put my phone in a bag i don't want it getting woke take your

shoes off they're gonna get too woke i don't like that ride to begin with it sucks well i have childhood memories of liking it we've been on it together we oh that's right we've been on every ride together disneyland and california adventure except for i didn't go on uh and credit coaster with you no no that one i saved for with my with my husband on one of our trips friend of the show maddie cop forced me to go on that wow oh yeah she's she seems like a cool disneyland partner yeah i mean you also you got to have a celebrity Disneyland experience, too. Celebrity experience? Or hang out with Sung Won Cho.

Oh, yes. Yes. He was, I mean, because Maddie knew him. And now he's a star. Star Blackberry. Yeah. He still follows me on Twitter. So he didn't forget about his podcasting roots. We appreciate that. His roots are much bigger and more important than us, by the way.

Yes. Yeah. But, yeah. So after all of this, it's all just set up, though, for finally the reveal of, his roots are much bigger and more important than us by the way yes yeah but but yeah so after all of this it's all just set up though for finally the reveal of ah sideshow bob or ah bob as the scene goes in the opening clip we recently covered the first ah sideshow bob in black widower right yeah that's right when he comes in the room both it's and this is a proper one just like in that it needs to be bart and lisa saying it in unison not just bart saying it it's lisa often gets forgotten in sideshow bob episodes

even though in the first one she is just as key to bart with making the discoveries but it's bart who's still in crusty gets busted he gets to make the big reveal so that's why sideshow bob wants to to kill bart and not bart and and Lisa even though he does especially hate Lisa though especially but especially Bard we come back and you really gotta pause to read that backroom deal in progress sign they zip by that one it's a funny sign and despite his presence here there is no deleted scene featuring on the DVD the charles napier prison warden like he's there in the room with them but he doesn't have any line and there's only one deleted scene on the disc anyway yeah i did notice him in the in the background i i was hoping he'd talk because i

was like oh boy i love when gene brings back his old critic co-star the now no longer with us charles napier nobody had a voice like him that character was not voiced by napier but he was in an episode like in season four was it margin chains when bart was explaining how to get marge out of prison yeah he's bart's vision of the warden who he would seduce and he goes down i go you're right it's it's not the same design as the warden from the prison rodeo that charles napier did uh voice it seems like maybe somebody picked a character. Out of the wrong packet. And they went with the season 4 warden.

Instead of the season 12 warden. From the prison rodeo. Because the Charles Napier warden has gray hair. These are very important distinctions people. Well it's funny here on the commentary. Stephen Dean Moore brings up. That they really are recognizing. You know we don't have to design a new character.

For everything. Apparently. You're probably have to design a new character for everything. Like there's... Yeah, apparently, you're probably going to say this, the Rio thing. Well, yeah, when you see the Mardi Gras folks come into the room, it's several Rio characters, especially like from Carnival. They definitely include a couple in there just to save themselves times as they should. But yes, this is when Sideshow Bob is convinced to help. All right, Bob. If you help us catch the guy trying to kill Homer,

we'll make it worth your while. What could you possibly offer me? Your pick of roles in the prison musical. This year, I think it's Man of Amancha. Yeah, Don Quixote, Sancho Panza, Dr. Carrasco. You know, they're all great parts. What a great show. I wish it was today.

So what do you say, Bob? Fair enough. Now I will need round-the-clock access to all the Simpsons. Especially Bart. Well then, you might as well stay with us. We serve the same meat the prisons do. Wait, wait, wait. Bob can't stay with us.

This man has tried to kill me so much it's not funny anymore. Don't worry, son. We have ways of making him compliant. Dad, I can't believe you're putting my life at risk to save your own. You'll understand someday when you have kids. They're really acknowledging the show's age because I think

Al Jean is realizing, like, I'm back in the same job I had, like, 12 years ago. It's, uh, I want a family that hasn't been on the air forever. My child is an adult. Yeah, yeah. i think al gene is realizing like i'm back in the same job i had like 12 years ago it's uh i want to say i want a family that hasn't been on the air forever my child is an adult yeah yeah and he's like the the child who was a baby when he started the show as an adult by the time or in high school by the time this episode airs he's like oh it's not funny anymore yeah uh and as when this goes live we'll be a mere month away from the Frasier reboot on Paramount+. Wow, man.

Oh, you know, I wonder how conservative Republican Frasier Crane feels about the, well, actually not the character, but Kelsey Grammer, feels about all this SAG Strike stuff that's going on. I would assume they've already finished filming the show at this point anyway. Yeah, yeah. But you can't have it without David Hyde Pierce. No, no. show at this point anyway yeah yeah but it's you can't have it without david hyde pierce no but uh the money dump trucks uh got uh perry gilpin to come back and jane leaves to come back so

not for the full season or anything right it's just but keep your eyes peeled but no the whole point of the show yeah i mean frazier we all love frazier but the interplay of him and niles is the show like that's the entire show like niles kind of like steals the show from him at a certain point like he's more interesting than and it's all because they cast him and first just because he looks so much like him they they do they do look like brothers it's such perfect casting but i i mean david hyde pierce he doesn't need frazier and frazier's not going to pay enough money to get him back for it. What is he doing?

David Hyde Pierce. Seems like he just does what he feels like. Yeah. I mean, God, the Frasier rerun money must be insane. I was just reminded of how much I love that guy just because I watched Wet Hot American Summer for my husband's first time. And I was like, God, man, David Hyde Pierce is so funny in this. Yeah, he seems to be very selective with his choices of roles because some of the most recent ones are the wet hot american summer uh reboot series just like brief

appearances and then just a few things on and off but he has not been in a movie since 2010 wow yeah that's but like you said these are the residuals everybody's fighting for as actors right now like they want the kind of stuff that niles crane got for for that role but yeah the this reference to i keep thinking like how this could be better slightly in a rewrite of when they say man of la mancha here i feel like then the song at the end of this should be from man of la mancha or a reference to that instead of a well not even a really a parody of a completely unrelated music from my fair lady yeah yeah it i i feel like manal mancha if you're gonna reference it here have a fun callback to it though also i feel like

act one maybe that should set up the mardi gras instead of that being brought up for the first time in like the 12th minute of the episode we'll get to it but uh the homer mardi gras thing feels more like the mike scully, like Homer is a party dude kind of characterization to me. Yes. Yeah. Then Al Jean's like the dim family man. Like, yeah, like Homer wanting to be King of Mardi Gras feels like something Mike Scully

would do, like how Homer wanted to go on spring break. Except he's not, even when he gets to be the King of Mardi Gras, they don't even do party monster stuff. But yeah, this does feel more like the scully homer here though they also because so much of this episode's comedy is built around the combo of sideshow bob with homer they do need to make homer more like the scully asshole homer because then it's funnier for bob to react to it but yeah by the way man i'll watch it is a great musical i wish it was today as well like just like i've only seen the pinky in the brain parody of it what you know the movie version is a good

version of it it's a good and and it's a story within a story bob it's about the making of the book and the spanish inquisition too it's uh there's a lot to it it's a really great musical i'll get around to seeing it i'm getting more into musicals these days in my old age and of course the title song to it is also my favorite now do i like man of la mancha because the first time i heard of it was watching the episode of quantum leap that is about that yes that is why i it was a really great episode of quantum leap you could also just watch that and you get the feel of it i just remembered watching the pinky in the brain parody not knowing what it was parodying and thinking what are they doing what is this i also for the longest time thought it was sancho panda which was the joke character in in uh hannah barbaric cartoon oh there was a sancho panda sancho panda so yes it's a panda instead of a

ponzo yeah uh but yeah so they send him out of the prison. The Simpsons are going to be feeding him terrible food. And then we reset to him being given his electroshock treatment, which I think they think it's funnier than it is. This feels like a very thin script, obviously, with a lot of padding, but they return to this way too much. I like how this ends. I like how they end it with the shocks, but it with a lot of padding but they return to this way too much i like how this ends i like how they end it with the shocks but it happens a lot yeah and it's just not funny enough

to me i don't know what the sounds that kelsey grammar is making are funny like the drawings are funny and the drawings are funny too but i feel like there should be just a little i feel like they're trying to avoid being too cartoony in this i think they're being held back too much by their no cartoony rules because this should have when they show the clip of frank grimes death and you see a little frame of his skeleton i'm like that's the kind of electrocution animation like little extra zazz effect i would like to see on bob when he gets electrocuted in this episode yeah the electricity effect reminds me a lot of No Disgrace Like Home I think it's an intentional reference but yeah I mean they decided like this is what you look like if you're electrocuted in this world but I like the visual

component does feel very Simpsons-y so I like that I yeah now I wonder is is this an intentional callback to what was once the most famous scene in the simpsons for for a certain amount of time if you didn't live through barb mania you didn't know that like that was the one that was the simpsons scene that got replayed like on television all of the time like on space ghost when matt grating was on space ghost coast to coast that was the clip of simpsons that they played at the start of it was was the family electroshock okay and i think they said in the simpsons that they played at the start of it was was the family electroshock okay and i think they said on the simpsons that that that scene shows up in like die hard 2 or something yeah it's on the plane and die hard 2 as well yeah one of the first simpsons appearing in a

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so then in the next scene bob is kind of posed like an accountant for homer taking accounting of all of his uh many people who'd want to kill him and this this is when what i guess counts as a clue for the first time shows up in an episode yeah because march says uh frank rhymes right the late frank the late frank rhymes yeah yeah and well okay fine the first clue is the big wrench i guess that's the first clue but it's not it's not a clue until you later see the wrench on the juniors towing or whatever yeah yeah i again i think that when we did black widower they talk about all the ways they wanted it to work as a good mystery this is more like they're like well i guess officially it needs to be a mystery so let's just have like three clue scenes and they just get dumped in very obviously

yeah and this is the reference to in quotes the fat little dixie chick yes uh and that she's referring to uh natalie manes who is a very successful musician so she's doing well for herself she went through a tough divorce and wrote an album about it and according to wikipedia manes listens to howard stern and is a fan of his whack pack oh that's so she's a renaissance gal yeah they will be guests in just about eight years after this uh no seven years for the papa don't leech episode which we talked about with the writer of that episode reed harrison a long time ago on the commentary that's very very correct yes uh but now they're just the chicks oh right yes they have been for a while the friggin woke

police taking away our dixie and our chicks they were really actually canceled they actually were that was real cancel culture that's uh that's also in the plot of oppenheimer of like oh no oppenheimer gets canceled as well for uh for speaking out against the use of nukes but yes let's hear a list of just a few of the people who might want to kill Homer. Homer, think carefully. Of all the people you have known, who might have reason to do you ill? Hmm. Well, there's Mr. Burns, Fat Tony, the Emperor of Japan,

ex-President Bush, the late Frank Wines, PBS, Stephen Hawking, the fat little Dixie Chick, and the state of Florida. How can one ordinary man have so many enemies? I'm a people person who drinks. Ah. That's a great line.

It's Homer admitting to his alcoholism, really. If you look at the list of clues or the potential clues in this episode, the Marge thing is a real standout because Marge, if you're listing enemies, why would you name a dead person? Yes. Who could not be doing anything to Homer because you went to his funeral.

There is no reason to say it. It is buried in a list of other things. So it's like, well, I mean, it would make more sense that it would be the Diedrich Bader Florida sheriff who's decided to kill Homer here or something. But yeah, the list, the only one that's not based on an episode is the Dixie Chick one. All the others, you can trace back to at least one episode, if not multiple ones in the case of Fat Tony or Mr. Burns. But then also speaking of having to lay down clues too soon, they head to the Quickie Mart

and instantly being told about the Springfield Mardi Gras. Oh, you know, the Springfield Mardi Gras, vote to see who's going to be in it. It's happening December this year. But they do have a nice little uh i like any knock against royal royal crown cola the most hated of colas that's what they served at the hardy's in my neighborhood it's the only place that had royal crown maybe arby's had it but i think it was just hardy's and honestly it was fine it's fine i've never drank it but i'm not a cola guy in general it's uh the times i've had coca-cola straight like almost

never like oh my gosh what would happen what would happen i mean i just don't like the taste of it when i've had it it's just the bubbles i am more used to now as you know i'm kind of a seltzer guy the vile bubbles yeah the bubbles bubbles i'm used to but yeah it's just like and now of course as i'm more health conscious it's like oh so it's like 300 calories in a can of shit I don't even like the taste of? It's true. I would never touch a Pepsi. It's disgusting. If you're a Pepsi person, figure yourself out.

But I do love Coca-Cola a lot. But I rarely drink it anymore. And when I do, it's a special treat. So I love original Coca-Cola. It's great. So then if it was Pepsi versus RC, you'd get RC. I'd get RC, yeah get rc yeah i mean like i'm a pop connoisseur if you will i can call pop now i'm moving to canada oh and uh i will say

coca-cola has like the little bit of uh gingery spice to it the pepsi is just pure teeth rotting sweetness and rc does have a little bit of that gingery spice to it as well, but not quite as much as Coca-Cola. Interesting. Yeah. Well, it seems to be saying that RC Cola is for lower class people because Cletus loves it. Oh, it's cheaper than Coke. Yes. No.

Yeah. It was always the cheap one. That was the times I have bought it, but not drank it were I'm going to a party and it's like one of those bring stuff parties. And it's like, I'm not springing for a 12-pack of Coke in this place. I'm giving them the RC. Faygo it is. Or Sam's Choice, perhaps, at the Walmart.

We were drinking Faygo before it was an ICP staple, folks. Oh, yeah. Did that turn you off to Faygo after that? Absolutely. I mean, Faygo seemed cool at the time because you're like, oh, strawberry pop and grape pop. There's so many kinds of pops. I'm saying pop on this podcast.

I don't care. You're not going to be shamed anymore by Californians. But now people are taking Faygo showers, probably getting yeast infections because of it. It's disgusting. I mean, the Juggalos adopted Faygo because it sounds like fag, right? Like, isn't that why they did it? I think it's because they're mostly poor white people and they grew up drinking Faygo. From the Juggalos in my life,

I think they liked that Faygo sounds like you're basically doing like a pig Latin version, sort of, of like, you're calling somebody a fag, but saying like, hey, Faygo. I can tell you when I was a kid in less enlightened times, we were making that joke ourselves. See, that's, I figured the Juggalos, I don't want to impugn the, you know, the reputation of Juggalos. They're leftists now they're gonna fight for us i i hope that it stays

that way with our our pals in the juggalo army but uh this when you talk about them feeling the history and this definitely feels like them writing an episode after doing a commentary this scene of apu and bob reconnecting that feels like oh this is also very good i like these i like the fact that bob acknowledges yeah this is my only successful crime to date and i'm here and apu appreciates what a gentleman he was like you understood the dance is what he says you know now i'm old enough to be feeling like how they feel in this i've got the clip here but the way they're saying like you know nobody does that anymore we're a dying breed i feel that way about just like oh remember when you wrote words for a website like yeah we're a dying we're gonna feel that way about tv recap podcasts yeah nobody does them the

way they used to anymore but here's a rare scene of sideshow bob in apu nahasapima petalon welcome to your springfield madigra headquarters Cast your vote now for this year's king. Mardi Gras, eh? Didn't last year's king have to abdicate because he married a commoner? And I'd do it again. But I do miss the royal crown caller. Ah, yes, the quickie mart. I haven't been here since I robbed it dressed as Krusty.

My one successful crime you were quite the gentleman today's robbers they are all smash and grab you understood the dance our time is passing old friend uh if you two country hens are finished clucking i'd like to buy a copy of jugs and ammo i really want to know what homer's intonation is there. It feels like Dan Costaneda is summoning something. I think he's supposed to sound like an old wife or something, but except it's a guy asking for jugs and ammo. I like that Matt Selman, being his little sneaky self on the commentary, kind of craps on that being a lame.

He's like, we call that a twofer pun. Larry Flintlock on Jugs and Ammo. Instead of Larry Flint publication, as we all know. At this point, I'm pretty sure at this point there was a magazine called like Chicks and Corpses or something. It was like a horror magazine. Well, it's just like if you're into hot goth chicks. Oh, I get it. You're not seeing actual dead bodies.

Have the Suicide Girls begun at this point? Oh, I can assure you they did. Have they been canceled for their, their they need a trigger warning on suicide girls.com now i wonder i mean i'm afraid to go there now but i'm pretty sure they still are the suicide girls hey if you can have a suicide squad uh you can suicide girls i agree if anyone sees this in my history it was for research that's entirely okay bob's looking it up only for research yes and it launched it's uh september 3 2001, and we needed the Suicide Girls to get us through that. Oh, wow.

Ten days later. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah, it still exists. A good spread on the front page there.

How do they make money? I mean, I guess they could still get subscriptions and stuff, right? Yeah, but I bet all these girls are women. I bet they all have OnlyFans at this point. Yeah, right. women uh i bet they all have uh only fans at this point yeah right i mean uh honestly their system should be a lot like the podcasting world of like you get famous on the major site or get your fame on a major site and then go independent on patreon i've been told pornography people are doing that today i know a lot of our patreon brothers and sisters are pornographers on on patreon and we

respect all of you and salute you fellow fellow creators we respect you and your choices yeah it's great uh but uh though when i see jugs i feel i feel like i should see doug's jugs with two g's that's how i feel like jugs should be written in them when referring to breasts though i just uh i heard a very funny stand-up comedy bit by uh amber uh comedian amber rollo uh who is married to uh Talking Simpsons guest Matt Chrisman. She had this great stand-up routine about how when she got pregnant and her breasts were starting to grow, she felt that she needed to reclassify her boobs from boobs to titties to jugs. And she then goes line by line about what classifies titties versus jugs what about my

gumbos you know songas i think she did say bazongas are the next step up from jugs in you know in a size chart i want to correct myself the magazine is called girls and corpses girls and okay yeah that they'll also jugs and ammo it feels like a reference to that it was in the movie jackie brown but it's a real thing the machine gun videotape of selling machine guns and it's blonde girls in bikinis shooting machine guns to sell them like that kind of deal i think i saw before i saw it on jackie brown i think i saw it on the daily show first which i also believe it gets parodied in king of the hill i think they also watch bikini girls shooting machine guns. Oh, you're right.

Oh, by the way, the corpses are real. So when I die, I want to be in Girls and Corpses magazine. Yeah, you'll finally be a lucky corpse. Yeah. So then in between scenes, Homer crashes his car, which why did they do this? Why did they not show the car crash? Why do they hard cut to this? I don't understand.

It feels like a scene is missing. And I needed a more funny setup than I told you couldn't read and drive at the same time or whatever. It feels like this could have been in a 60s sitcom or something. Right. It doesn't make sense. And again, we're not at the deleted scene yet. So there's not a deleted scene on the DVD that would imply why this scene was gone.

But it's like definitely in general, some of this feels rushed because they have an almost two minute song at the end of this episode that they got to make space for. I don't think it was rushed because of that. I think that was the solution to a short episode. Yeah, actually, I guess you're right. Which was an Al Jean, Mike Reese issue in the early days. Like they were always short. Yeah, man, show us the car crashing why are we not

seeing this and so yes they this is when we meet a suspicious looking mechanic well we've settled that argument you can't read a magazine and drive look junior i expect this to be fixed with quality gm parts but your car was built built in Croatia. It's made from old Soviet tanks. Just fix it, Mr. Sass Branch. Homer, please. The last thing you need is more enemies. Right, right. I'm counting the pennies in the

ashtray. There's two. That's a good line. I like that. Makes me think of the car change thief action squad from Mr. Show. Oh, yeah. God, I like that. It makes me think of the car change thief action squad from Mr. Show. Oh, yeah. God, I love that. I can't remember if when I was watching this, it was when I was starting my new job at AMC

theaters. And I remember my only memories of this time were being exhausted every night because I'd never had a real job before. And working in the concession stand is a lot of physical work. Like I wasn't ready for being on my feet all the time and carrying heavy things all the time. So I just remember watching this episode and just having the reveal kind of wash over me like, oh, I guess it's Frank Grimes.

But so I feel like me with my brain a little more active would have noticed this character is Frank Grimes without glasses on. You know, I was working like video game retail also on my feet all day. Probably not as tired as you because honestly, that's much easier than dealing with food. But I didn't get the reveal until the end. I didn't guess it. He's even giving him the Frank Grimes voice. But though I, you know, I'll save my complaints about this twist for the reveal of it.

But I wonder how obvious it was to some people that like boy this looks just like frank rhymes without glasses on yeah i guess the wrench on his truck is supposed to be a um a clue i guess yeah the fact they put it in the background it's not enough of a clue but that yeah that i mean that they set up this junior character and show that that homer is being a jerk to him and that the way bob says oh you don't want to make a new enemy i think is supposed to be the misdirect of oh this clue that's supposed to be a clue we're going to call back to it's a reference to homer shouldn't make an enemy of this guy but now here's the thing i'm looking at the footage of the show and one of the

clues is supposed to be on the back of his truck he's got the display of all the wrenches i feel like if that was going to be a clue one of them should be missing because he didn't go back and get his wrench you're right he left it there but maybe it would have been too obvious but i say frame it differently but it's weird that that's a clue but he lost the wrench trying to kill homer right yeah so then it's just he replaced i guess it's just to show he had access to big wrenches but yeah it doesn't not like like no one else can do this it does not work as good as a clue of say selma just saying out of nowhere i lost my sense of taste and smell from that day on but i mean it's it's funny to learn that homer's car that we've seen all this time it was building croatia out of old soviet tanks like that was

that's what homer's car was made out of is it the same putter and h car he must have bought it from the same place where no crazy ball club yeah uh so then we cut to the newest plan which is they literally create a straw man it's not just for arguments anymore you can actually make a straw man in real life for people to attack i like the design on the homer straw man it's it's funny it's great how people fall for it and i'd like some of the gags here yeah yeah it's it's a lot of fun also i like i like the animation of i think it's very well timed that they show it circling as they're having this conversation and bob makes a very uh smart and witty reference to uh hungry cashish in uh the shakespeare's julius caesar or cassius that's a basic bit shakespeare reference well you know he didn't say brutus he said uh you know

brutus and and uh caesar they're the main characters cassius is a little less famous i mean like i would expect bob to go for a deeper shakespeare reference but that's one the audience will understand like the tempest or something like that yeah like the less famous one yeah that makes sense but uh i it's been a long time since i read julie caesar i remember reading it in a middle school english class we read it all together and not the entire thing in full just more like 40 50 of it yeah well like one of the things i did in my in my honors english class is everyone had to memorize the speech and then say it in front of the class and i spent an entire period of my life doing that you know I will die one day in two hours we're listening to a bunch of 15 year olds doing this I don't think about that forever I bet they didn't

bring too much to the role of Cassius in there whoever did the Caesar speech in that in that play is that is that Cassius Cassius no that's Mark Anthony I think think wait well no brutus and cassius work together to kill caesar and then the guy who's like i come here to bury caesar not praise him that's the guy who turns on those two guys and starts the war against them like that that's what that whole speech is man is it mark anthony but i think it's mark anthony i think mark anthony was j-lo's former husband thank you see i'm too j-lo brain for my earlier notes in this and also i drank uh you know a little bit of whiskey here no no it was cold brew jameson it was good though i recommend if you need a flavored uh i guess it's whiskey it's not bad yeah yeah but but yeah

also though brutus and cassius they're totally gay they're the we all know this but yeah so for his smart witticism homer of course shocks him. And I like his little nod to let Bart know, like, no, do it again. Do it again. But yes, this is when they watch Homer get attacked. Oh, someone's coming. Who's the sociopath? Huh? Moe.

He's got a dark side I've never dreamed of. Well, mystery solved. Wait a moment... He's hurt! Go, go, go! These are Homer's friends and family. They don't want him dead. They just want him to suffer. Thank you, Lord. Once I kill you, everyone will think I'm the real Homer.

None of this seems odd to you. They did remember that Patty and Selma drive a Jeep, which is great. I did like that. That is a good detail. I didn't catch that. But despite what Marge says, no, they killed Homer. That snapped his neck off his head. That is a good detail. I didn't catch that. But despite what Marge says, no, that was a, they killed Homer. That snapped his neck off his head. That was death.

There's one, I think, visual joke that's not sold very well. And it's that Lovejoy is kicking Homer in the crotch, the dummy Homer. And the clothesline briefly stops rotating through the pulley so he can kick it more. And I think that's why he says, thank you, Lord. Oh, that, yeah, that makes a lot more sense. I also just love Moe. Now who's the sociopath huh like he's mo is ready to murder homer at any time though it's also funny especially as people on the internet are talking about the simpsons hearing al jean compare this to taking abuse online as the simpsons show oh come on go sleep

in your pile of money my answer would be like al get off the internet then yeah it's like if you don't like it i i think uh matt selman has a healthier uh relationship to this thing i think i want to say we're all different ages we all have different uh you know relationships with technology someone has to teach al jean how to take a screenshot and put it online he was always taking an entire screenshot of whatever's on his phone he just did it this week when we're recording this i was like oh he did screenshots please tell me you cropped it for once like no he doesn't even know how to just like cropping is one thing but just hold down save photo on the google image search image you found like but yes we're someday we'll be too old i am too old if somebody told me to

make a tiktok i'd be shit at that just like al gina shit at twitter what i will say is al gina has doxxed himself a few times by taking pictures of the wrong things and i won't say what his email address is but i've seen it a few times yes yeah al please like you need training in this just for that yeah but when i say homer is extra stupid in this episode once i kill you everyone will think i'm the real homer like that does feel like peter griffin it's exactly i mean it's like literally a peter griffin joke i think that's why they needed sideshow bob to be like seriously this is this is dumb even for homer and marge has to be like man it's a good noise so here is the only deleted scene in the dvd and i believe they cut it not because

there's like a big animation mistake or it's not that funny but it's that a joke isn't properly expressed through animation so it's night time it's time for bob to go to bed and marge is having him sleep in the floor in maggie's room and she says it's because you both tried to kill people that's why she's that's great I like that but it leads to the joke that doesn't work which is Bob is laying down he's like well at least I get to sleep in freedom and then the moonlight comes through the window and it hits Maggie's crib and then the shadows of her crib look like prison bars on his face and he grumbles himself to sleep. But it's like, it's so, it's too subtle.

I mean, I got the joke, but it's, it may be, the joke doesn't have musical accompaniment to it. Maybe the music would make it more clear, but I think that's why they cut it. It's just not, the joke isn't clear enough. I understand. Yeah. So then we cut to Moe's bar and we see that bob is very good at darts and this is when the guys at the bar are the people on the internet who say it's very easy to kill a child if you really wanted to like yeah in fact bob takes lenny's

advice because lenny's like i just slit his throat you're the ear i mean they're also being al gene on the commentary saying like it wouldn't be that hard to kill a child if you really wanted to which you know don't take that out of context what i just said there folks oh oh yeah yeah but uh but this is also when homer is told that besides joe bob can concentrate anywhere because he's written haikus as skinheads beat him with soaps then a gun pops out shoots at homer and it feels like them trying to be john schwartzwalder with this door opening thing though though aljean says it's meant to be like their new version of the rake joke because it opens too many times they they give it an extra opening shuttering it does feel like killing time i like the absurdist nature of it it's it's hard to communicate in

words like what's happening but the door stops flapping and then it starts flapping again and it stops it just it's very unrealistic and strange i like the sound of it too uh and then we see that the jar of pickled eggs took the hit instead of homer and that pickled eggs has been around since some enchanted evening the original pilot of the series like pickled eggs and mo go hand in hand ever since the beginning. And he's right to be sad. And the woman singing The Way We Were is the same woman who sings a lot of the Simpsons songs. She debuted in Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? singing the McBain song. So you've heard her voice before. It's like Sally Stevens or Sally something or other.

Yeah, Sally Stevens. Yeah. She sang the Scorpio theme. But this one especially feels like that they remembered, hey, remember how over the credits of The Homer They Fall, we had the people, people who need people let's have if we're going to do another thing i know somebody who does a great strides and again and we'll bring her back she hadn't been around for a few seasons though at this point so big return to sally stevens i would bet she like a lot of the singers

they get for the sound of likes like kip leddon Lennon, are an Alf Clausen pal as well. Well, actually, no. Kip Lennon was a Michael Jackson pal. I mean that in the least sus way. In the business sense. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

I really love the drawings of Moe with his jar. I think they're well done. They make me laugh over the whole thing. The one on the beach it lands on is good. We then see them taking a look at letters, which also feels entirely a callback to Cape Fear, like them sitting around and looking at letters sent to them, which also not the best mystery writing, though, to just start a scene with a character saying like, here's an interesting clue. They said this is so hard to do because dropping in a clue isn't funny which is why they find a

clue when bob is uh electrocuted you're right that's the only way to make it technically a joke that's what conan o'brien said in the interview about look well about how they're like boy we'd have to actually to do this consistently as a as a season of television we need to hire a mystery writer to teach us how to write mysteries because otherwise you're just having characters like this is a clue and just state it out loud bob almost grabs the thing but nope can't stop it and gets zapped again and he makes some funny noises and then we get a reference to i'll give him credit for this i thought that this was just going to be an off-screen reference but they

actually committed to the silly title joke enough to animate the joke as well. Oh, that 30s show? Yes, that 30s show, which now we're in the era of that 90s show, but this is when that 30s show gets the joke here. We now return to that 30s show.

Hey, Pop, where's the crank on this Victrola? Why, it's the latest model. From now on, the only crank in this house is your Aunt Gladys. For your information, I'm cranky because I've got polio. Oh! Tom Shales gave this show a good review. And I'm the one in prison!

Bob, I know you're enjoying Fall Preview Week, but I was wondering if you made any progress towards finding Homer's killer. No, I haven't. Go ahead, shock me. Well, just a little one. Now, that was a good reference to that 70s show, a good takedown. I feel like someone on the staff must have hated it, because remember when they went to the 98 cent store

and there were a bunch of that 70s show merchandise they walked by they felt like what a dumb premise nobody will care about this it was briefly a classic until danny masterson's crimes were revealed now it's like been pushed into the into the vaults never to be seen again though that 90s show is still around that you don't want to re-watch the old ones and see danny masterson in every episode yeah and tom shales i couldn't find an initial review of that 70s show from him, but I read, I just looked online like Tom Shales, that 70s show. I have him reviewing, I found him reviewing some episodes from 2001 and it made me realize like, oh man, sometimes these reviewers or these critics could just summarize what happened on a sitcom

while adding clever asides. And that was all they had to do. Like even Roger ebert would do it sometimes like some low effort ebert reviews would be like i'm gonna summarize the movie for 80 of my review and then add my thoughts at the end wow man that's how i guess that's how they hit the deadline sometime i i mean yeah i remember those ebert ones i never read tom shales but to think that the like he was at the washington post then like that's not that is prestige there i I mean, Washington Post is known more for its investigative journalism than, you know, media reviews,

but it's still a pretty famous paper. Yeah. Yeah. And I can read you a bit of his review in big quotes, which is just writing about what happened on the show. Okay.

In the first of tonight's two episodes, Fez finds himself being stalked by a jilted ex-girlfriend. As almost any pal might do, Eric okays a hoax in which Donna will pretend to be dating Fez instead of Eric as to scare the predator away. All right, there's no opinion on what you think of that, Tom Shales. I'm going to continue the Tom Shales quote. That was me adding my aside. Like, okay, what do you think of this?

I was waiting for an opinion there. Yes, yeah. He doesn't give one. And then he moves on to say, this also includes an i love lucy parody virtually every sitcom on tv gets around to doing one eventually lucy is that much of a lodestar the parody begins when fez imagines life married to donna quote oh the hijinks we would get into really there's no opinion on what you think of this at all tom i mean i guess he says it's done many places but that's that's it like yeah that's the man this guy was probably getting paid like over a hundred thousand yeah in 2001 money for this

i'll continue briefly here uh eric meanwhile thinks he'll enjoy a brief vacation from his relationship he gets to sit around in his underwear eating pizza and watching get smart he calls this reverting to his natural state quote i'm dirty i'm lazy and i don't wear pants the thrill vanishes quickly what do you think about this plot tom what do you think about it i could watch the episode and understand what it's about i don't need the washington post to tell me that i could go to television without pity and get much better than this yeah man this is before the era of like tv recap blogs in which you would write 3 000 words and the av club would give you 50 to do it and i love those i love those man this time no wonder i didn't read tom shales this sucks uh but he does

give a slightly positive take to wrap it up even through the wrong turns that 70s show manages to stay afloat bobbing about affably on prime time sea of life blissfully inconsequential and darn proud of it that's it gag me. Boy, that is so low effort. Like, geez, he's wanting to take a shot at that 70s show for being low effort affability when this guy's barely even trying in this thing. And he calls the cast stellar, and I will agree. It is a stellar cast, except for that one guy. But it's a great cast, yeah.

But, I mean, I was just thinking about how much I love Kurt Sutter, for instance. Kurt Sutter? Not Kurt Sutter. What am I saying? I've had too about how much I love Kurt Sutter, for instance. But yeah. Kurt Sutter? Not Kurt Sutter. What am I? I've had too many. Ashton Kutcher? No, no, no.

I've had too many drinks. Henry's had one drink, by the way. It was a double. Kerwood Smith is who I'm talking about. So they spell and pronounce their names differently. Yes, look, this is our last recording in this space. My brain has already is thinking about the move now. I can't.

I apologize. You said you have more drink left, Henry. I do have more drink. I finished move now. I can't. I apologize. You said you have more drink left, Henry. I do have more drink. I finished my drink. We normally don't drink during podcasts. We're celebrating. Yes, yeah. But anyway, well, that Tom Shales, I mean, the delivery of the line is so big.

They told Frazier, man, my names are falling apart. People are people. They told Kelsey Grammer, do this as big as possible no bigger bigger i'm the one in the prison twirling his hair on his finger does that felt a little like a silverman type drawing to me too for sure and yes he gets zapped so much because the thing breaks and marge marge who has resisted zapping him the whole episode she decides she's gonna do it but of course when marge does it it hurts him far more uh he gets electrocuted to the point that he has a comedy afro which i'm like yeah we're it's it's really too late to do a comedy afro joke though

they did this on uh on futurama in season one yeah that's right but in this case with his big hair i don't think it's intentional but it does look like first appearance sideshow bob in uh the telltale head with his more like the spherical shaped hair before brad bird redesigned it into the the palm tree look we we know and love man i'm looking at more tom shale stuff and his writing is just insufferable i'm looking up i looked up to see did he ever write about the simpsons and i'm seeing uh a review of treehouse of horror six he calls it a lark and a half man what a geez it's so stuffy yeah okay here it starts off with age can't seem to wither nor custom stale our friends the simpsons here's an ensemble cast whose members never need facelifts never stomp off the set in snits and never punch paparazzi

in the nose there's much to be said for a cast made of ink and paper awful awful that's terrible we're taking him down folks this 80 year old man this guy sucks like that he got to coast on this for so long they're right he does belong in prison i agree with sideshow bob uh so then they tell homer that he needs to hide out this is when i was like no i know p I know Peter Griffin hid behind drapes and thought he was invisible like this. This literally happened in Family Guy. We're going to be talking about Family Guy very soon. Stay tuned.

But yes, Homer is officially elected the King of Marty something. Don't look at me. Homer Simpson? Right here. You've been elected King of Mardi Gras! Woo-hoo! Good things do happen to bad people. I mean, the King of Mardi Gras has to ride around on a float all day. You'll be a sitting duck.

Well, aren't you embarrassing me in front of the drag queen? The little song Castellaneta gives Day is good. Although, boy, the commentary, folks, words aren't said anymore that were said once in 2011. And let's just say Dan Castellaneta calls this character, it rhymes with Fran Drescher's sitcom, let's call it. Yes, yeah. He wouldn't use that word now. I mean, I think it, isn't like a 2014 or 15 episode marge uses that word about like helen lovejoy's transgender cousin like she says the

word a bunch like yeah in the show like it means we've come very far when that word does seem shocking now yes yeah it's like we're not we're not trying to cancel him over his commentary joke a long time ago but yes he he says he can add it to his resume now. And it makes me think, like, maybe this is why these aren't on Disney+. These commentaries are 20 years old and older and newer. It's shocking on Disney+, they do still keep in the bit about how Disney California Ventures is shit. That they keep normal. Though actually, in their own own documentaries in the Imagineering documentary

they can talk about if it was a decision made before Bob Iger is made president of the company like DCA they're allowed to say it sucked because it's then you can say and then our god king Bob Iger fixed it and made it all better so in that in the Imagineering doc they can say they agree with the Simpsons that uh Disney California Ventures Bob Iger's not looking too good these days folks he really has ruined his reputation by being what he always was but people to think about like how their man I forget which doc it was in early Disney plus but there was one about like Bob Iger had a story meeting for Pixar he has so many great ideas he knows what's great about Pixar it's like man fuck this thing yeah yeah even then I was like this cannot be how working at Pixar is I would bet

you talk to the people who the second Bob Iger and his camera people leave they're like we never see him visit ever again and we never listen to his suggestions I was listening to the podcast Michael and us and they were uh mourning the days of the other the old evil moguls of the past where their point was presumably they had some interest in movies and filmmaking but it feels like every other ceo has utter contempt for anyone creative and what they do they just have disgust for it well they definitely think they can do it too well also i mean we've been hearing about this all the time from animators but uh and this includes in the special effects for quote-unquote live action films but also the executives not just the director but the executives

all these things take place in green screen so you can change everything at the last second because of bob eiger kevin feige says hey you know what i think it'd be better if they were wearing this costume in this scene so that's why every there was a thing going around of a picture of oh you thought this scene in far from home the spider-man movie with sam jackson's character in it holding a gun you thought that was filmed in a real place then you see the seat the seat is different everything around him is green screen he's holding basically a tube in his hand that they're like well we'll decide what the gun looks like later that feels like a safe choice these days though i've seen people make the uh make the assertion that the transformers movie special effects look better than current day special effects because they actually had to like film it outdoors and commit to a look while doing it

instead of changing everything at the last minute even though the designs are hideous they're they're well rendered for what they are they are truly hideous but yeah i think they are forced to do things they can't do anymore but yes homer is officially the king of Mardi Gras, but they know why. Homer, it's a trap. You only won because somebody stuffed the ballot box with these. Nonetheless, the people have spoken. But I'm afraid you'll get hurt. This is a way to flush this killer out once and for all and get drunk on a tuesday

today's tuesday and you've had six beers but i'm not drunk wow these are more of homer being an alcoholic especially a statement of but i'm not drunk that's what a drunk says after they've had six beers and say they're not a drunk usually drunks are like this never happens i'm drunk i can't believe it guys you believe me right this never happens to me never happened this is so different than usual guys though right now my light drinking actually is very different from usual i don't want to go over every joke in this episode but i do love the kemp rockman thing where he's talking about homer being named mardi croc king and he goes long live the king in a related story homer simpsons might not have long to live that is great and you know it's not the greatest file photo, but I like the file photo of Homer

somehow lost his pants. A gorilla has them. The gorilla is just like, huh? And then Homer shaking that fist. It's a frozen fist shake, but it's another fist shake in the Homer fist shaking era of the show. You can't really beat the Homer with his mouth full of of cigarettes file photo but they've been trying yeah i mean him doing the cossack dance is a great one too but it's also that all of these drawings are funny but homer with a mouthful of cigarettes

is the funniest drawing maybe top five funniest drawing in the whole series or biting into the giant cake remember that one oh god that's a great one too yeah so they then cut to the marty raw and i love on the commentary whenever guys like steven dean moore and david silverman get to say oh we always love the stage direction of everyone in springfield is there like it's so fun to see every single time another parade great yes i i feel for them as usual but as homer is is made the king and he's getting ready you know compared to how big his tom shales line is sideshow bob's line of like i'll stake my entire fortune of cigarettes on it is like whispered like it's it's i had to like actually go back the first time i was watching it because i was like

wait what did he say but yes homer is the king he is got lenny and carl watching out for them as they hit on a girl together i would assume they're going to suggest a three-way if this scene lasted any longer here but lenny is officially from chicago now we know that also because this is a very horny season the design on the girl is also extra sexy simpsons gal in this world i almost thought they were going to go without a show us your boobs kind of joke in this scene, but they get to it by the end. Yeah. So then we see the parade start. Homer has a very weird line. America loves its Kings from George the third to Larry. And it's not even a, I don't know what they're doing here. It's not even an ADR joke. It's what

they originally wrote, but I guess it's like a history joke I don't know a lot about George III but he also just says it too fast you know like it's just I much prefer the next gag of Homer hears gunshots and they play it like how in a movie like oh it's fireworks haha but it's actually a gangland assassination instead he's just like oh it's just Italians like that yeah that's a great line i don't know a lot about this folks um but apparently george the third was the king during the american revolution oh yeah mad king george yeah that's right yeah so that's the joke is then americans hate that guy that's why we revolted against yeah i get it why should i have to know this the italians murdering a person on the on the sidewalk during the parade that's very good someone shot to death on screen it's not like shot for shot but this is a godfather part two reference because a character is assassinated

during a big parade it's not marty graw but it is it's during a parade and fireworks cover up somebody being shot it's how a person assassinates somebody stealthily he shoots them while the fireworks are going on oh man i've seen that in so many like murder mysteries yeah i mean i bet godfather part two is what like 76 77 i don't even think they originated it but i absolutely think it's aljean referencing it the godfather i have to assume so it's it's in the same flashback sequence that is also referenced in that's a nice donut then the big reveal is that bob realizes that the engine isn't going and homer's float is about to go over a very convenient long sloping hill that ends up in a very dangerous place that music's nothing but trouble since it opened and so bob then has

to have literally a thought balloon pop out this feels like them testing the limits of like well if we're doing this in digital we will have a digital thought balloon and then we will like literally paste in the shots where they won't reanimate it they'll use the shots that we did earlier in the episode this is when bob finally figures it all out the killer is out there i would stake my entire fortune of cigarettes on it now bob, Bob, I know you're concerned, but don't worry. I have operatives working the crowd. So, uh, you're from Tempe? I'm from Chicago.

Whoa. I'm so drunk, I'm gonna puke. You ever get that feeling, beautiful? America loves its kings, from George III to Larry. Just Italians. This floor's already moving. I didn't even hear the engine still. Yeah, it's really running quiet.

Some mechanic tuned it up right before the parade a mechanic there you have it a mechanic and yeah so he puts it all together that it was the mechanic you didn't even realize it was when the reveal happened the first time i was like oh this was a mystery right who is killing him i was distracted by the homer becomes mardi gras king plot i mean it looks so fun is king of mardi gras costumes a lot of fun i like it but yeah we see that he realizes it's a mechanic but who is this junior the mechanic well we'll find out soon but first homer asked people to get in the way to slow it down which those guys are dead the one guy definitely is dead when he rolls over like all good duff man is shot to death later he definitely dies too yes and this is on top of the

people we just saw the man fat tony murdered on screen too homer runs over three guys a guy asks for beads and homer makes sure to say that's not for dudes so there's your girls gone wild era joke the guy's last words are that's cool he's definitely dead homer's about to smash into the museum of swordfish i choose to view this i don't know if you do bob i choose to view this as a callback to sideshow bob's past with crusty the clown that he shoots himself out of a cannon because when he was crusty sidekick they did the cannon explosion bit for once at the start of the uh the crusty i think it's a it's a call back to

his uh sideshow roots okay then i we're in agreement i don't know why this float is a functioning cannon on it but whatever it's the simpsons also uh don't think too hard about how he could possibly light the fuse himself all the way in the back from hanging out the front they really have to like zoom in close on it to make it work in any physical sense so he's blasted away and somehow in a very silly reveal he's able to basically be superman and save him homer is saved i love when homer is saved he says i did it that's that's a good show i missed that that's good and then whole uh bob is thinking about how cool it is to save a life. I've saved a life, and it feels wonderful.

And yet, I could just as easily drop you to your death. Don't be so sure. I got my legs wrapped around your ass pretty tight. Everything going dark, like Dust Out, the beer that made Ireland famous. I love you, Doris. I...

Ooh. Ooh, we're up so high. Where could that shot have come from? There's your killer! Well, duh. Your king needs these stilts. Jesus is our only king not anymore there he is that's a great line too i think that's my second favorite line of the episode

homer saying not anymore and beating up a essentially a child god did not save him also extremely sexual how homer wraps his legs around uh there. But the, see, I do wish they, it feels like they missed one old episode because the way he's like, oh, I saved a life. It feels so good. Maybe I won't be a murderer anymore. We already did that in Brother From Another Series. Yeah, that's true. And in a similar hanging situation too.

They kind of have to ignore that episode because Bob does get reformed even though he goes back to prison. Yeah, they ignored up until about a decade after this where they realized like hey we could just do a frazier reunion on this show why don't we just bring him back and get his father as well in the series but i also count this as the third death of duff man that we've seen so far because we know that moe suffocates him uh in his revenge in pygmalion with the sticker yes yeah he covers his face with a sticker and we see him stop breathing and then lenny says i thought duff man died and he's like uh you know duff man can't die from like liver

damage so the previous duff man had died from drinking too much so this is the new one so now assumedly this one bleeds to death in the duff it's a smaller duff lump than the one that barney wrote in lisa the beauty queen after barney destroyed the previous one they couldn't afford Presumably, this one bleeds to death in the Duff Blimp. It's a smaller Duff Blimp than the one that Barney rode in Lisa the Beauty Queen. After Barney destroyed the previous one, they couldn't afford too big of one. I mean, for real, this blimp has to be small for it to make any physical sense for the ridiculous way Homer is saved from this. This stilt thing, I think it's easy to put on the page. And then there's a stilt chase.

But I think it's a tall order to give this to an animation team and say, OK, make that funny. When your actions on stilts are extremely limited i feel like that's why this is so truncated i do enjoy the police stilts that's like the one funny joke here i that's the best gag of it but yeah they compare it to because we've just been covering season four compare it to the quinn martin style uh chase in homer the heretic like this isn't as funny but then again that just is a more straightforward it's a car chase like the joke is that it's a big action car chase in the simpsons not that there's too many funny things but though the animation is much better in that sequence also man they you know how i like to discover running gags this is now well

duh as a running gag lisa said it in treehouse 13 now homer is saying well duh and they're not really doing it as a joke about like oh isn't it corny to say well duh marge said it in flaming mose man that's it see in that case you're at least supposed to go like oh marge is saying like what is was then a fresh comedy saying you don't expect that from marge also like you don't expect that jimbo is a hardcore christian as well so so yes we have the big chase also note that during the chase scene that the cape on the on junior goes away and comes back in between two shots a little goof him up there and then he's stopped by sanderson's brick wall but who could this man be i know you you're my mechanic junior frank grimes junior frank grimes don't you remember your ape-like incompetence drove my father insane frank

grimes and then he remembers the scene from the episode uh homer's enemy i like you said dangerous to show season 8 animation during this season 14 episode yeah it's the same with any tv show or movie like don't show me something better because i'll resent you but we get to see frank grimes death uh in the zap though this time the hard cut to the grave is a new grave that has the title of the episode on it of in parent parentheses homer's enemy though also i it doesn't look so bad on the dvd but when i also pulled this up on disney plus to to watch during my exercise look at for yourself on disney plus like it has almost scan lines on it like it is not a good quality dubbing to use of that clip in there disney plus runs everything through like

the digital video noise reduction crap so it looks a lot worse than the dpds it looks like shit on there yeah disney plus will likely never delist the simpsons but still hold on to your dvds they will look better or you know i guess rip your your DVDs legally because you'd own the copies of them and watch the DVD rips. That's the only reason I'd say to watch DVD rips. So this, okay, Bob, what did you think when this was brand new and the reveal was that Frank Grimes had a son that was trying to kill Homer? I thought, well, this is pointless.

I mean, I don't really understand why they landed on this, especially because it was not a popular episode. Well, it was a polarizing episode, but I guess my main thought was like, what are you trying to do here? It felt like them saying like, well, hey, look, Frank Grimes is back. Remember, we're referencing Frank Grimes. Isn't it shocking to see that? But I feel like they'd already had multiple references to Frank Grimes in the years since because I definitely think internally they thought it was a low point or at least like oh this was so dark and mean we shouldn't have done it so it's funny say when homer sees the pamphlet for frank grimes's funeral when they're about to go to maude's

funeral oh yeah you're right and then homer's like he has the same joke of how is old grimy and marge in that case marge just has to go like but mostly the references to grimes are just to remind you it almost feels like they're saying the audience like boy i'm sad we went there like that's when we don't like to remember kind of deal but i will say i i would have been i was annoyed that this was his son it wouldn't be good if it was just he had a secret twin brother or whatever. But math wise, Frank Grimes' age is at best late 30s, maybe early 40s. And I guess he could have seen a sex worker when he was 18 and then she had a kid and he's like 19 or 20 in this. Maybe, but even so.

Yeah, I forget about the age thing thing it doesn't make a lot of sense they could have they could have landed on anyone else from any other episode i just it feels like they're they're trying to do something here and i'm not sure what it is doesn't it feel like a thing we complain about quite a lot which is it feels like aljean wants to make a call back to a previous episode but he didn't fully watch the previous episode and make the make it accurate enough like camp crustier when we talked about that one it's just like you want the credit for the old reference but you didn't really watch the episode to make the reference or he could possibly think well we can make this funnier now or i know more about writing now or i don't respect that other person's

choices it could be a number of things yeah yeah but instead you just end up with like well it's frank grimes jr and it's just like what his son his 20 year old son is trying to kill homer for revenge but also like and then the joke they have to say like clearly someone in the writer's room where they whenever the pitch came up of oh it's frank grimes and i think it was gene who on the commentary says it was his idea uh but that because it was frankenpain's idea that bob would help homer but that was gene's idea to make it frank rhymes it feels like in somebody in the writer's room who was there for the episode said but he didn't have a family like he didn't have a kid and so why hey what's funny to make a joke about in the in the early aughts hooker jokes it's a hooker the word hooker oh by the way i was looking it up and according to homer's enemy the episode itself frank is 35 i thought that

brockman in his thank you i thought that brockman said an age in his profile at the start of it so okay then yes a 35 year old springfieldite who's earned everything the hard way and never let adversity get him down all right well then frank grimes jr makes even less sense yeah yeah you're right totally watch the episode i mean frank grimes jr has to be a legal adult and if he owns his own business i would say 20 even 20 is pushing it but that means that implies a lot of things i don't want to think about yes okay here's the other thing i hate about this twist not that the age thing makes you have to make a lot of math sense but also that frank grimes's character is supposed to be he is a regular boring man ruined by being in a sitcom he is supposed to be a normal highly wound tight guy and that's his whole character game he's not supposed to if you gave him funny details before he goes crazy then he's not frank grimes he's not old

grimy if then you add the detail of but isn't it funny that he had sex with a sex worker in like his teens because and apparently he frequent then frequented them a lot it's like well no that completely sells out his character and for what frank grimes jr to be the reveal yeah it's it's not worth it in that aspect i really don't like but yeah by the way frank grimes jr never returned after this frank grimes his ghost has returned in like a treehouse gag and this even counts like grimes jr doesn't even appear in tapped out frank grimes does and in the tapped out canon which i do not count frank grimes isn't dead and he's been hiding at the power plant for years. Don't care for that.

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He's swinging a stilt at Homer and then the police still show up. Yeah, it's just over in our second to last clip here. Oh, yeah. How is old Grimey? He's dead, Like you should be! Whoa! Oh! Wait! Frank Grimes wasn't married! How could he have a son? He happened to like hookers, okay?

Dad! I figured it out! The murderer is... We know! Frank Grimes Jr. Huh? Precisely. Take him away, boys That's nice work, Bob Now give him the rhino tranks If I can trank out just one Freak on Stilts I know I've done my job You're living the dream, Chief Fre freak on stilts, I know I've done my job.

You're living the dream, chief. Freak on stilts is good. And Kelsey Grammer makes good noises. He's good at making noises. It totally sells out its character. I do like that Lisa is actually wrong for once in these mystery episodes, that she for some reason thought it was Bumblebee Man of all people. And she just says precisely and throws away her answer.

I hope Lisa went through a lot of soul searching here because she almost put an innocent man in jail an immigrant an immigrant of all things too man yeah i forgot exactly how this ended when i pulled it up on on my dvds but i was like wait this time code there's a lot of time left here though they intentionally you're right it wasn't because they ran out of time for exactly or had to make room for it they did want it to feel like a horror movie like i know what you did last summer or the first nightmare on elm street or a million other ones of well everything's fine oh well and then bump up um no the killer is not dead after all and and you end on a screen kind of deal and so that's that's what the deal is with this reveal with Bob here.

But yes, we have the question of, will Sideshow Bob finally kill Bart? Now I'm going to take some advice that was given to me by Lenny and kill you without delay. One thrust and the deed is done. I... I can't do it. Huh? Why not? Well, I guess I've, dear God, grown accustomed to your face.

I've grown accustomed to his face. And dreams of gouging out his eyes i've grown accustomed to my hate my Hear him howl. The very reason that I live is plotting how to watch him die. Bart! Turn down that original cast recording and go to sleep. I know this chubby scalawag has made my life a living hell Surely if I drank his blood I'd be at peace but well You've grown accustomed to my face

This isn't a duet. Sorry. I've grown accustomed to your fear. Accustomed to revenge. Accustomed to your face. We shall meet again old friend but now i wanted to get to this because bob is singing a parody of i've grown accustomed to your face from my fair lady this version is called the very reason that i live because apparently at this time

fox legal was more iffy about doing soundalikes even. So they had to make it very, very different. And we were talking about this earlier, Henry. Like if you didn't tell me this was way off, I wouldn't have known it. But then I looked up the clip of Rex Harrison singing it and I was like, oh yeah, it's a completely different song with a completely different melody. We just did recently the Streetcar Named Marge. Well, it's not exactly a music parody but their lawyer was really

watching out for them and just like i'll take this to the supreme court you're allowed to parody this meanwhile this new lawyer is like yeah no let's be careful but like even though it'd be new lyrics we'd we'd get sued let's not do it so i'm glad you brought that up because i went on to linkedin i have not signed on in like a million years so So I have all these messages. I looked up Anatole Klebanow, which was the Fox lawyer at the time. At the time, he was a production counsel, which means the lawyer you go to saying, are we allowed to do this? And he would fight for you or he would tell you what you can get away with and what you can't get away with.

He leaves that position in a few months after this episode airs. So maybe he's not as available. Maybe because he's leaving, things are changing at Fox. I want to say they're probably related if this is a network-wide edict. Like, you can't do this anymore. That makes so much sense. That totally makes sense that that's why they are getting a little more cowardly with these jokes. I guess Fox as a network is much more established than they were 10 years earlier.

And they've got the NFL and Major League Baseball now. Maybe they lost some of their noib. Yes, and I also wanted wanted to point out this is a rare occasion a family guy doing it first because stewie sings the actual song in the april 11th 2000 episode running mates and it makes sense because stewie's voice is modeled after rex harrison's voice in that movie so because it's family guy it's just stewie singing the song for a minute and i do have a clip for you if you want to play it i've grown accustomed to her faith she almost makes the day begin i've grown accustomed to the tune that she whistles night and noon her smiles her frowns her, her downs are second nature to me now.

Like breathing out and breathing in. I'm very grateful she's a woman and so easy to forget. Rather like a habit one can always break. And yet, I've grown accustomed to her looks. Accustomed to her voice. grown accustomed to her looks, accustomed to her voice, accustomed to her face. Damn you all! That's when Stewie was like,

blast you woman, or whatever his catchphrase was. Actually, that line there, well, it also, the song is used for a character to sing about wanting to kill somebody too. So it's even used in similar context. I wonder if maybe that's why they didn't get permission from the rights holders. Like two years ago, we gave it to Family Guy. Like we're not, we already just did this.

No more ironic usage of this song. It's hurting our value, all these ironic uses of it. But it makes sense because seth mcfarlane is a big musical freak and of course the rex harrison connection and of course it was family guy of that era and it's like let's just do the thing yeah yeah no no parody of it no they wanted to at least write new comedy lyrics for it and we talked about this ending of my fair lady a little bit when we did the sweetest apu because if as you see in the thing in the movie version as well rex harrison sings this entire song about how he misses her but he

can't believe it because he hates women and then she comes in uh surprises him that she didn't get married to that other guy and he's like where the devil are my slippers fade out oh that's what apu says at the end of his performance of My Fair Lady with the sex tuplets. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. Because he does the one man show version.

Not one man, but all the sex tuplets. Sorry. The octuplets. Octuplets. Yeah. No. What am I saying? Octuplets.

Yes. But they're involved. Yeah. So they're kind of on a My Fair Lady run here, which I just wish that it was more. They mentioned Man of La Mancha. do a man of lamont parody though in either case this is their mistake instead of trying to replicate hms hms pinafore which was public domain here they're like oh wait we can't just have him sing any song though the tune of this it reminds me more uh lay miz heads tell me if you agree it sounds a lot like javert's song uh in it the his his final song in the musical i won't spoil lay biz for anybody who hasn't read the 400 year old

book or whatever i do like the the parody they wrote though i like the lyrics are funny i like of course kelsey grammar's a great singer i like i like when he shuts part up by saying this is not a duet i feel this is in large barge bart Bart wanted to sing too, and he's denied it. It's poor Bart slash Nancy Cartwright never getting to sing. His shaky doodle dandy parody. The song is a nice one. I wish the lighting was a little different in the layout of it. It feels, now that it's digital, it's reminding me a little of the flat lighting of current

day Simpsons too, of any backgrounds, you know? Yeah. I mean, it's a little oversaturated digital coloring but also there's no intentionality to like let's make this moody or whatever just stark indoor lighting for the entire scene yeah you compare it to mood being expressed in shots in cape fear and there's really like no comparison to be made uh and yes also on the commentary they uh are wrong this was not nominated for an emmy this song it was the song everybody hates ned flanders from later in the season they do though sort of correctly remember who they lost to and why they're pissed about it

some like sick kids or something that's what they remembered it as it's a a special called the concert for world children's day was the, and they wrote an original song for it called Aren't They All Our Children? Which is a very 80s style anthem sung by a group. It's very We Are the World style. It's led by Celine Dion and Michael Bublé. I don't think the Simpsons won this category very often because I'm looking at when they were nominated. They lost for Who Needs the Quickie Mart. They lost for the Stonecutters song.

They lost for Senor Burns. They won for We Put the Spring in Springfield. And they also won for You're Checking In. So during the Oakley Weinstein years, they won back to back Emmys for Best Original Song. Am I correct that the Checking In song was the one that beat the Mr. Show song? I think Mr. Show was up against the Simpsons and lost that but i yeah that was how high the mountain that was the mr show song that was nominated okay that's right man see that that was bill bill odenkirk losing to his future employers when writing that song for the mr show what was how high

the mountain what's what song is that in mr show man i think it was was it drugsachusetts but uh you know this this calls for some googling here yeah we looked it up because we forgot because the name of the song is not that related to the title but it's the y'all are brutalizing me song which mandy patinkin sings in one of the few good scenes in run ronnie run it's a great scene yeah i love i love that song the the entire section of you know the the cops musical is a fun one and but it lost it lost to checking in uh hey checking in is great it's a joke about robert downey jr which he he soon rehabilitated himself but he was like well this guy's gonna be dead right and now he's starring in oppenheimer as uh the he's rich and famous i think i read a thing

recently about how how he's trying to remember how to be a good actor because he is like i get paid a billion dollars to be in a metal suit all day i don't know what even acting is anymore yeah these marvel movies are ruining people's brains you know this is slightly related but it's our last podcast here so i'm just gonna say whatever the fuck i want i was listening to this will put us in time a guest of the show chris wade i interviewed the venture brothers guys and i really liked what doc hammer said about marvel he said the nerds didn't I was listening to, this will put us in time, a guest of the show, Chris Wade, interviewed the Venture Brothers guys. And I really liked what Doc Hammer said about Marvel. He said, the nerds didn't win.

They just turned Marvel into the sound of music. And I thought that was such an astute way. And he also said, if you want to support that, that's on you. So that's what Doc Hammer thinks about you Marvel fans. That was a pretty brilliant thing to say. Yeah, that was. Also, I like how when he was comparing how people react to marvel now to how on venture brothers they make fun of comic books they're just like well yeah

but for us it's like we're laughing at our kid like falling down trying to walk we're like ah that's my kid like but it's not the same as other people venture brothers was they they're not fake geeks they were into marvel beforehand i i get his reasoning on that that sound of music thing that was like a really that was a brilliant thing those guys are pretty smart i prefer dr orpheus to anything involving dr strange i saw the parody first and i hey it's more entertaining i watched the digital version of that movie as soon as i could and paid for that but i still bought the blu-ray that hasn't come in the mail yet because it comes out tuesday at the time this recording because it actually is Tuesday at the time of this recording.

Because it actually is real features on it and it has their commentary. Their commentary alone is worth 20 bucks. Well, as of this episode airing that we're doing right now, not on Max. Nope, not on Max. It's, boy, those brilliant people at Warner Brothers Discovery. There's a new movie, Renewed Interest in the Series. Take it off. Take it off.

We don't want people watching this too much. Does Pluto want this crap i also feel really bad for the this is just a bunch of we'll do what we want but because of the giant companies not even listening to sag and forcing a strike to happen the because the strike is happening thanks to the greedy companies people like doc hammer and jackson public didn't get to go to comic-con to have a big cool party to celebrate their finale movie like and they aren't complaining about it like doc hammer had a great post saying i support my union i we're stronger together and i would never do anything else but boy it sucks that i can't get to hang out with you people that's really sucks he also also said, oh yeah, we paid for our own trips. Warner Brothers was not paying us to promote this.

So Warner Brothers was like, I'm honestly surprised they didn't kill the movie, but they're also like, we're not promoting this crap. Yeah, it's... Business makes no sense. It makes no sense. Yeah, but so yeah, the song is mainly him posing Bart in different places.

Bart trying to escape the song as he keeps pulling him up again, but it almost is a love song to a 10-year-old boy, but it's just about how much he loves to kill him. Though especially I was thinking like, boy, this one thrust in the deed is done, set over Bart in his bed. I was like, eh, seems a little cheeky to me.

The stuff about Bob trying to kill Bart, I took it at face value as a kid, but now I'm like, this is really deranged and creepy, but I like it. It's just fun that this is the characterization of bob they kind of landed on yes so he puts part to bed decides he's he's not going to kill him after all and continue on with their battles and i would guess after he feels this kind of resolution is when he moves to italy and takes on a whole new persona as the mayor of the town but that's a story it's a sexy wife yeah but but instead in this case he leaves and gets zapped quite a bit more by a bunch of birds pecking at it in a bird's nest which cute birds finally revenge for all the bird violence

that's true you're right I should be playing the bird violence jingle backwards here but no I actually I like this gag because it seems like oh the like because bob throws the remote out the window when bart tries to shock him and that's how it ends up there but the birds are pecking at the button because their birds are going to peck at a thing but during the pecking and the shocking of bob one bird looks over to see bob being shopping and he nods at the bird behind him like keep going that's great yeah that's i miss that that is a great extra detail and aljean said uh he originally wanted this to be a a lawn full of rakes that bob would step on but this was funnier and i were right

didn't in jack and apes he steps on a rake he's like my other arch nemesis yes yeah yeah i think they realize like you know we can't keep doing the rake thing though i bet you can say rake normally if you don't say joke after it yes yeah you don't have to hit it that hard uh i i trained myself to over announce i'm gonna rake the lawn you're gonna what the lawn redoing that joke with like 20 rakes that's that would be okay but and this was funnier though it definitely sounded like the way steven dean moore was talking about it that they laid it out and at least got to storyboard level on animating it before they changed their minds i feel like it's something they would do now but maybe in 2002 they also thought like do we just want to do the same thing again but now i think they lean into that viral

stuff like uh homer backing into the hedge again like kind of recreating classic moments now it is about being very direct in the recreation i think they at least thanks to wonderful fans like us we've let them know that like no if you get specific we know the specific we're not going to be like what huh i wish they had that way of thinking a little bit more when they made the simpsons movie five years after this stay tuned uh i don't know 2026 maybe when we cover that throughout an entire month i bet you nah i bet it'll be 20 2028 because we're pretty much this is a 2002 episode we're talking about it to 2023 so yeah 2028 when it's gee who's gonna be running for president then i wonder i guess we'll see the rock perhaps the rock one of the paul brothers yeah i mean of course trump's

gonna win in 2024 so he can't run for a third time in 2028 marjorie taylor green sure sure you know maybe maybe katherine uh kamala harris gives a shot my i am sorry my katherine katherine bigelow runs for president they're gonna they're gonna force pete budaj on which i think like sort of yeah it's gonna happen man every time i'm having problems with airlines i shake my fist at mayor pete yeah it'll be his electric mustang but by 2028 the high hope song will be ironic oh if i never hear that again it'll be too soon this episode though i don't hate it it's a little weak i like sideshow bob i like him coming back but it reminds me too much of other episodes that are better uh objectively like cape fear and homer's enemy

and i think that's a real mistake and that's what distracts me from the funny things like we talked about a lot of funny jokes in here but uh not one of the stronger bobs and i honestly think the italian bob and the one with the family reunion those are much better yeah i think those are better and i also think that they should have waited till they were deeper into their first full digital season instead of making it the first digital only episode of regular simpsons because i don't think they had the budget or the mastery of it yet to really make a sideshow bob episode pop which those should be some of the best animated ones the show has and i think they weren't quite ready for it yet maybe also david silverman hadn't really settled back into his groove yet in the series to really add a lot of extras though there are some some fun

shots of sideshow bob that do feel like classic bob but i think they get their sea legs back a bit for the vendetta episode i mean compare this to jack and apes i'm glad that this is not just a very thinly veiled pile of anger towards television executives yeah like this is just more of a mystery instead of just aren't television executives the worst and we should kill we should kill them with bombs which hey uh parodically that's a funny you wouldn't see i would say in this heightened time right now i bet you the simpsons couldn't write an episode about exploding television executives and killing them i bet you they wouldn't do that one now i forgot yeah that is very much wrapped up in the mike scully era of him kind of being obsessed with executives and running tv

shows and things like that not as inside this episode though it's it's more inside about simpsons lore but yeah see you later frank grimes jr never to be seen again unless you count simpsons comic books and see you later berkeley so long stink town so long stink town now it's i'm gonna miss all of our wonderful times in berkeley but our new i won't be well hey you know this living room's not so bad it's better my old place but i'm looking forward to being able to build a man cave worthy podcast room very soon yeah yeah i honestly we love berkeley and i would not live anywhere else unless I was invited to Vancouver and I was. And I like it more,

but we both ended up in great places far from our awful hometowns and we're grateful for that and the opportunities it provided us with. If anybody tells you, you know, like, oh, if you're going to stay, you know, just stick in San Francisco. Don't go to the East Bay.

You're fucking up. The best stuff is in the East Bay and it's easy to travel to on the BART. berkeley so much i've lived here 17 years the longest i've lived anywhere i'm gonna miss it too i mean seattle seems like a great place i've visited several times and it's where my husband lives and i love that guy so it'll be nice being there but and also i mean uh it's it's where his career took him to. And it'll be nice, though, to live so close to Vancouver that I can actually regularly visit Vancouver to see my best buddy and podcast partner. And we know our listeners are great.

And no one in bad faith would say, that place sounds expensive. But I will say, we have lived the dark souls of the economy. And that's living in the Bay Area. Every other place is cheaper, barring perhaps Manhattan. But where we're going, it's just like i can live yes yeah i know seattle seattle is hardly cheap but it's cheaper than this place i've been in a two-bedroom for way cheaper we've experienced the height of the taxes and the economy and whatever so though when you feel the climate around here occasionally i do say to myself oh that's why we pay these high

rents because this weather is so beautiful it's like 65 degrees all year only in this one part of california we're not going to see all the youths graduating college anymore we won't be there anymore i don't need that reminder of my age time passing i go to the university to pick up packages because of it like a amazon mail center there and every time i see graduates i'm like oh my god more graduates yes well now it's the new students who are even younger he's like 18-year-olds. I don't like it. They weren't even around to experience 9-11 and the psychic damage. I feel the opposite of that Matthew McConaughey character joke of them staying the same age.

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Horror 3, and we'll see you then. I don't think this was a great place to bring the children. It still beats Disney's California Adventure. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Boy, yeah.